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<v Speaker 1>Every day. The most important day.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Friday Eve and

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<v Speaker 2>expressing delight over my next guy. So I am happy

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<v Speaker 2>to welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Retired

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<v Speaker 2>Marine Corps Colonel William Bernard Dunn, President of Strategic Resilience Group.

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<v Speaker 2>He served over three decades in the United States Marine

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<v Speaker 2>Corps Badassery defined flew in many of the world's deadliest

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<v Speaker 2>hotspots and dozens of combat missions. As an attack helicopter pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>He and his team support US Central Command, Marine Forces,

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<v Speaker 2>Central Command, US Cyber Command, US Strategic Command, and Special

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<v Speaker 2>Ops Commands Central worldwide. He's the author of a book

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<v Speaker 2>called Gunfighter's Rule, about the story of a boy destin

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<v Speaker 2>to become a United States Marine fighter pilot. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the fifty five KRC Morning Show, Colonel. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>real pleasure to have you on. Let me start by

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<v Speaker 2>thanking you for your service to our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sir, thank you very much. It's my pleasure and

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate your time and having me on the

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<v Speaker 1>air this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh this is gonna be wildly interesting because you're We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to it in a moment, folks. The

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<v Speaker 2>coordinate attack involving the walkie talkies and pagers strategically planned

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<v Speaker 2>by yet an unknown source. Some people think Masad. But

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to details on that. But I gotta I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta ask you first, and I'm sure you get this

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Colonel where'd you get the nickname Berner?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that's top secret. I would say that, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say that alcohol was involved.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I understand that that is wonderful. Anyhow, moving on,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about your organization because I've seen your website

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<v Speaker 2>Strategic Resilience Group. What is it that you do day

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<v Speaker 2>to day and why is it that your organization recently

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<v Speaker 2>had boots on the ground in Syria.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so what we do is we have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of major lines of operation, data analytics, We do information

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<v Speaker 1>warfare and information operations, and we also do resiliency training

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<v Speaker 1>for commercial organizations, plus a bunch of litany of other

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<v Speaker 1>things in between. With training and different things. Are our

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<v Speaker 1>folks in Syria? We're supporting some of our high end

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<v Speaker 1>professionals from d D doing very specific work. Those folks

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<v Speaker 1>are now, and you know, they're out of Syria. They're

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<v Speaker 1>doing at least our folks are out of Syria. They're

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<v Speaker 1>doing some other work in the Middle East right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but they support d D and a myriad of requirements

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<v Speaker 1>across you know, both you know, both the battle space,

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<v Speaker 1>but also supporting back here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're not actually engaged in fighting, it's more behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes looking at our intelligence and other information and

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence gathering.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, that's correct. Our folks are not what

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<v Speaker 1>I considered on the kinetic end, but they are supporting

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<v Speaker 1>the people that are on a kinetic end.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, all right, moving over to well, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was in many ways brilliant. How they

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<v Speaker 2>pulled it off is beyond my understanding, considering how many

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<v Speaker 2>people had one of these rigged pagers and then the

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<v Speaker 2>following day walkie talkies. I thought it was interesting and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was kind of neat, But then again,

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<v Speaker 2>on the flip side, it's really really scary that this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about the exploding pagers. Has there any

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<v Speaker 2>been any definitive determination as that who has responded behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>although we all kind of presume it was Mosad.

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect. We will never hear Massad or Israel officially

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<v Speaker 1>state that they did this. Right now, we all think

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<v Speaker 1>they probably did or probably had a hand in it.

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<v Speaker 1>But we have some friends, some Israeli friends that we

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<v Speaker 1>talked to on a weekly basis, and they will not

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<v Speaker 1>admit it. We're not going to ask them to admit it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what they did do is they pulled in exquisite

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence from across the battle space, spanning years and spanning

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<v Speaker 1>multiple countries to precisely target enemy commanders and enemy assets

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time on the same day, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the same time on the second day. And imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>you are an enemy of Israel right now, the fear

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<v Speaker 1>that that has put into you, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, that's one of the more brilliant elements about it,

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<v Speaker 2>the psychological damaging effect that it has on the terrorist

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<v Speaker 2>organization that they hit, just the terrorist. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know there was some collateral damage. There always is in war,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not gonna excuse it, but this is reality,

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<v Speaker 2>this is life. You know, Israel's in a fight for

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<v Speaker 2>its life. These people just blew It's like they blew

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<v Speaker 2>up four thousand terrorists in one hit. It was it

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<v Speaker 2>was just it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. And and you know, I saw a thing

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<v Speaker 1>this morning that Netanya who put out to the people

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<v Speaker 1>of Lebanon, and it's brilliant. You know, let's assume a

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<v Speaker 1>Lebanese person is just a good person, right, but Hesbelah

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that's fighting this battle. So Hesbelah because

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<v Speaker 1>they're fighting, they are causing collateral damage in Lebanon. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>People, yes, who may not be behind their efforts in

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<v Speaker 2>that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And so Nennia who has called for them

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<v Speaker 1>to basically turn in the HESBLA fighters, which they probably

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<v Speaker 1>won't do, right, Yeah, but he's giving them an out

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what I believe will happen. And Iran

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<v Speaker 1>as well, give the population an out so that you know, ideally,

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<v Speaker 1>every man and woman across any country wants their children

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<v Speaker 1>to live and thrive. If your children are being surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by terrorists and then put it a threat, maybe what

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<v Speaker 1>you do is you move the terraced away from your area,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that helps end this war. That's what you

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<v Speaker 1>hope for. Well, it happened, you know, in reality, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. One of the things that I talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in the book Gunfighter's Rule is when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>Iraq during OIF one, I came across a school in Baghdad.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a girls elementary school and on the wall

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<v Speaker 1>my interpreter had to read it to me, was this

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<v Speaker 1>big mural and you could see it was Israel and

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<v Speaker 1>it says you will never go to heaven until Palestine

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<v Speaker 1>is free. And this was in Iraq two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>three at a girls' school. So the hatred in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East against Israel is profound, and they are truly

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for their mere existence. So I believe their actions

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<v Speaker 1>in Lebanon and Gaza have been very adequate and very precise,

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<v Speaker 1>reducing the casualties. Because what you don't want to do

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<v Speaker 1>is caused such a civilian problem, right, the civilians that

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<v Speaker 1>they hate you more.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly. I do a segment with a retired lieutenant

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<v Speaker 2>Colonel Daniel Davis, we call the Deep Die with Daniel Davis.

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<v Speaker 2>That's his position. This hatred is taught, it is fully

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<v Speaker 2>ingrained in the population, and it's generational. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>kill my brother and you have children, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>that those people killed your uncle and they hate the Israelis,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it just is an ever, a never ending

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<v Speaker 2>cycle of hatred that's well, literally taught like a religion,

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<v Speaker 2>or it's part of the religion almost or if it isn't, well.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it is. It's I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever read the Koran, but one part of the Quran,

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<v Speaker 1>if you read it specifically, it talks about in essence,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that is not Islam or for Islam is your enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as simple as that. But one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that they've done is they take these young men,

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<v Speaker 1>these young Middle Eastern men, and their leaders subvert a

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<v Speaker 1>bit what the Koran says, because one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that Koran says is you should not kill, But what

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<v Speaker 1>they do says you can kill if someone's attacking your mosque.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they've turned it in to that everybody's attacking Islam,

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<v Speaker 1>and that becomes a you know, imagine, if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>young man, that's the reason to fight, if someone is

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<v Speaker 1>attacking your faith, and it makes it very easy for

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<v Speaker 1>them to get these young men to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Colonel Dunn, they're not attacking Islam. They're attacking one

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<v Speaker 2>subset of Islam, and that is the radical, murderous segment

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<v Speaker 2>of Islam. I mean, it's not really a war against

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<v Speaker 2>the Islamic faith, is it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not at all. But that's how some of them

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<v Speaker 1>get these young men to fight, is they tell them

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<v Speaker 1>that they are attacking your faith, and then these young

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<v Speaker 1>men sign up and they want to go fight Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>Israelis or anyone that's threatening allegedly threadning Islam. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how they get these young men to fight. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times, you know, if I may, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>met a lot of Iraqis after of one kind of

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<v Speaker 1>calmed down before the rest of the insurgency began. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just people trying to stay alive and keep their families alive.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll fight if they have to, but they, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them were forced into fighting us. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was sad because you don't want these young men

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<v Speaker 1>dying for no reason, and they're attacking our marines and

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<v Speaker 1>marines they're going to fight back and kill that period.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was sometimes sad that these these ill equipped

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<v Speaker 1>folks would attack us, they would die, and we would

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<v Speaker 1>look back and go, why would they do that? Because

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<v Speaker 1>they were believing in something that they may have been

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<v Speaker 2>Understood, well, the world is filled with philosophies and put

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<v Speaker 2>it people in that particular position if they don't step

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<v Speaker 2>out of themselves and sort of look at it from

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<v Speaker 2>a ten thousand foot perspective about what they're doing. Colonel

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<v Speaker 2>dont if I may go back to the cell phone explosions.

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<v Speaker 2>The one of the more interesting elements about this that

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<v Speaker 2>they did target you know, has ball terrorists right, that

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<v Speaker 2>they hit pretty much specifically just those terrorists. How is

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<v Speaker 2>it in an organization, which any terrorist organization typically is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's made up of cells individuals who don't necessarily know

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<v Speaker 2>who the other ones are. They keep it separate from

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<v Speaker 2>each other, and they'll get orders, you know, from on top,

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<v Speaker 2>which go to the one person that does gets spread

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<v Speaker 2>out over the others. It's sort of like a pyramid

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<v Speaker 2>scheme of sorts, but it's ideas to kind of help

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<v Speaker 2>them maintain their anonymity and help them maintain a minimalist

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<v Speaker 2>presence in the crowd to be activated whenever they're directed

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<v Speaker 2>to do so. How is it in that completely broken

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<v Speaker 2>up structure that they were able to get these phones

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<v Speaker 2>in the hands of just those terrorists.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say they had perfect intel. Wow, people were

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going back to your point about you know, swaying

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<v Speaker 2>the people to turn in. There may be quite a

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<v Speaker 2>few citizens that aren't happy with terror's control of their

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<v Speaker 2>country that would help us help anybody along.

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<v Speaker 1>That way, you would hope. So this is, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>this was perfect intel. I have never seen anything this

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<v Speaker 1>perfect in my thirty you know, over thirty three years

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<v Speaker 1>in the Marine Corps. You know, we have great intel

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<v Speaker 1>that shows you how incredible and how much time and

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<v Speaker 1>effort that the Israelis put into their intel. Side of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I saw this morning on Iran israel Is

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<v Speaker 1>saying that the attack is coming. They will not know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, but they will see the results. So think

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<v Speaker 1>of that ominous threat. Oh no, you know, if a

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<v Speaker 1>plane or a missile comes, right, you can understand that,

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<v Speaker 1>you can rationalize, okay, jet came to dropped the bomb

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<v Speaker 1>blew up my factory. But when someone gives you that

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<v Speaker 1>threat that you're not going to know what happened, You're

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<v Speaker 1>just going to see the result. That should send shivers

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<v Speaker 1>down the enemy of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you had to anticipate what that form of

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<v Speaker 2>attack that might come in. I know some are suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>that the oil infrastructure be attacked, and some are suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>the nuclear centrifuge areas. I know those are underground apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>but that could be attacked. But could it possibly be

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<v Speaker 2>that they unleash another like a Sutsnecks kind of software

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, blows up the centrifuges making the enriched

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<v Speaker 2>uranium or something along those lines.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's I think absolutely anything is possible. What

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to see, what I would this is

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<v Speaker 1>how I would do it is I would not attack

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<v Speaker 1>the oil. I would attack all war supporting infrastructure. I

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<v Speaker 1>would take out any of their aircraft or drone factories,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe drone factory. I would take out their nuclear plant

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<v Speaker 1>I would make I would blow their nuclear capability back

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred years. And then what they're doing in Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the Iranian people, which, by the way, with

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<v Speaker 1>all of the work that had been done in the

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<v Speaker 1>past administrations, where Iran was on its heels, yes, they

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<v Speaker 1>were almost imploding. We had them on the verge and

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<v Speaker 1>some of our old intel beliefs that the civilian population

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<v Speaker 1>was going to overthrow the Iranian government. This was years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>before an administration change that could have happened, and none

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<v Speaker 1>of this would be taking place right now. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I would do if I was Israel, I would

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<v Speaker 1>take out we're supporting infrastructure, leave the economy right now alone,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you're not making the Iranian people. Some for

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<v Speaker 1>the civilians, but they know the next wave takes those out.

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<v Speaker 1>An you don't comply, then your next wave is your

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<v Speaker 1>economy understood?

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<v Speaker 2>And I get those those arguments. I guess you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we all talk about in you know, broader perspective, world

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<v Speaker 2>War three breaking out, given the cozy relationship the Iranians

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<v Speaker 2>now have with the Russians and the Chinese, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just worry about a larger global conflict breaking out. Any

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of that in your mind, Colonel.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's possible, but there is no in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, China in Russia will let Iran go.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe would be Russia's best interest from an oil production standpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>Retired Colonel at Bernard Don We're out of time. I

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<v Speaker 2>just love to talk. I can talk to you for hours, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>but let me end by thanking you from the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>real pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, sir, and I have a great weekend

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