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Speaker 2: to welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Retired
Speaker 2: Marine Corps Colonel William Bernard Dunn, President of Strategic Resilience Group.
Speaker 2: He served over three decades in the United States Marine
Speaker 2: Corps Badassery defined flew in many of the world's deadliest
Speaker 2: hotspots and dozens of combat missions. As an attack helicopter pilot.
Speaker 2: He and his team support US Central Command, Marine Forces,
Speaker 2: Central Command, US Cyber Command, US Strategic Command, and Special
Speaker 2: Ops Commands Central worldwide. He's the author of a book
Speaker 2: called Gunfighter's Rule, about the story of a boy destin
Speaker 2: to become a United States Marine fighter pilot. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the fifty five KRC Morning Show, Colonel. It is a
Speaker 2: real pleasure to have you on. Let me start by
Speaker 2: thanking you for your service to our country.
Speaker 1: Well, sir, thank you very much. It's my pleasure and
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time and having me on the
Speaker 1: air this morning.
Speaker 2: Oh this is gonna be wildly interesting because you're We're
Speaker 2: going to get to it in a moment, folks. The
Speaker 2: coordinate attack involving the walkie talkies and pagers strategically planned
Speaker 2: by yet an unknown source. Some people think Masad. But
Speaker 2: we'll get to details on that. But I gotta I
Speaker 2: gotta ask you first, and I'm sure you get this
Speaker 2: all the time. Colonel where'd you get the nickname Berner?
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's top secret. I would say that, I
Speaker 1: would say that alcohol was involved.
Speaker 2: All right, I understand that that is wonderful. Anyhow, moving on,
Speaker 2: let's talk about your organization because I've seen your website
Speaker 2: Strategic Resilience Group. What is it that you do day
Speaker 2: to day and why is it that your organization recently
Speaker 2: had boots on the ground in Syria.
Speaker 1: Well, so what we do is we have a couple
Speaker 1: of major lines of operation, data analytics, We do information
Speaker 1: warfare and information operations, and we also do resiliency training
Speaker 1: for commercial organizations, plus a bunch of litany of other
Speaker 1: things in between. With training and different things. Are our
Speaker 1: folks in Syria? We're supporting some of our high end
Speaker 1: professionals from d D doing very specific work. Those folks
Speaker 1: are now, and you know, they're out of Syria. They're
Speaker 1: doing at least our folks are out of Syria. They're
Speaker 1: doing some other work in the Middle East right now,
Speaker 1: but they support d D and a myriad of requirements
Speaker 1: across you know, both you know, both the battle space,
Speaker 1: but also supporting back here in the United States.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're not actually engaged in fighting, it's more behind
Speaker 2: the scenes looking at our intelligence and other information and
Speaker 2: intelligence gathering.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, that's correct. Our folks are not what
Speaker 1: I considered on the kinetic end, but they are supporting
Speaker 1: the people that are on a kinetic end.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, moving over to well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I thought it was in many ways brilliant. How they
Speaker 2: pulled it off is beyond my understanding, considering how many
Speaker 2: people had one of these rigged pagers and then the
Speaker 2: following day walkie talkies. I thought it was interesting and
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of neat, But then again,
Speaker 2: on the flip side, it's really really scary that this happened.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the exploding pagers. Has there any
Speaker 2: been any definitive determination as that who has responded behind it,
Speaker 2: although we all kind of presume it was Mosad.
Speaker 1: I suspect. We will never hear Massad or Israel officially
Speaker 1: state that they did this. Right now, we all think
Speaker 1: they probably did or probably had a hand in it.
Speaker 1: But we have some friends, some Israeli friends that we
Speaker 1: talked to on a weekly basis, and they will not
Speaker 1: admit it. We're not going to ask them to admit it.
Speaker 1: But what they did do is they pulled in exquisite
Speaker 1: intelligence from across the battle space, spanning years and spanning
Speaker 1: multiple countries to precisely target enemy commanders and enemy assets
Speaker 1: at the same time on the same day, and then
Speaker 1: the same time on the second day. And imagine if
Speaker 1: you are an enemy of Israel right now, the fear
Speaker 1: that that has put into you, right.
Speaker 2: I know, that's one of the more brilliant elements about it,
Speaker 2: the psychological damaging effect that it has on the terrorist
Speaker 2: organization that they hit, just the terrorist. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know there was some collateral damage. There always is in war,
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna excuse it, but this is reality,
Speaker 2: this is life. You know, Israel's in a fight for
Speaker 2: its life. These people just blew It's like they blew
Speaker 2: up four thousand terrorists in one hit. It was it
Speaker 2: was just it was amazing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And and you know, I saw a thing
Speaker 1: this morning that Netanya who put out to the people
Speaker 1: of Lebanon, and it's brilliant. You know, let's assume a
Speaker 1: Lebanese person is just a good person, right, but Hesbelah
Speaker 1: is the one that's fighting this battle. So Hesbelah because
Speaker 1: they're fighting, they are causing collateral damage in Lebanon. Yeah.
Speaker 2: People, yes, who may not be behind their efforts in
Speaker 2: that regard.
Speaker 1: That's right. And so Nennia who has called for them
Speaker 1: to basically turn in the HESBLA fighters, which they probably
Speaker 1: won't do, right, Yeah, but he's giving them an out
Speaker 1: and this is what I believe will happen. And Iran
Speaker 1: as well, give the population an out so that you know, ideally,
Speaker 1: every man and woman across any country wants their children
Speaker 1: to live and thrive. If your children are being surrounded
Speaker 1: by terrorists and then put it a threat, maybe what
Speaker 1: you do is you move the terraced away from your area,
Speaker 1: and then that helps end this war. That's what you
Speaker 1: hope for. Well, it happened, you know, in reality, no,
Speaker 1: you know. One of the things that I talk about
Speaker 1: in the book Gunfighter's Rule is when I was in
Speaker 1: Iraq during OIF one, I came across a school in Baghdad.
Speaker 1: It was a girls elementary school and on the wall
Speaker 1: my interpreter had to read it to me, was this
Speaker 1: big mural and you could see it was Israel and
Speaker 1: it says you will never go to heaven until Palestine
Speaker 1: is free. And this was in Iraq two thousand and
Speaker 1: three at a girls' school. So the hatred in the
Speaker 1: Middle East against Israel is profound, and they are truly
Speaker 1: fighting for their mere existence. So I believe their actions
Speaker 1: in Lebanon and Gaza have been very adequate and very precise,
Speaker 1: reducing the casualties. Because what you don't want to do
Speaker 1: is caused such a civilian problem, right, the civilians that
Speaker 1: they hate you more.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. I do a segment with a retired lieutenant
Speaker 2: Colonel Daniel Davis, we call the Deep Die with Daniel Davis.
Speaker 2: That's his position. This hatred is taught, it is fully
Speaker 2: ingrained in the population, and it's generational. You know, you
Speaker 2: kill my brother and you have children, and you know
Speaker 2: that those people killed your uncle and they hate the Israelis,
Speaker 2: and then it just is an ever, a never ending
Speaker 2: cycle of hatred that's well, literally taught like a religion,
Speaker 2: or it's part of the religion almost or if it isn't, well.
Speaker 1: It is it is. It's I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: ever read the Koran, but one part of the Quran,
Speaker 1: if you read it specifically, it talks about in essence,
Speaker 1: anyone that is not Islam or for Islam is your enemy.
Speaker 1: It's not as simple as that. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that they've done is they take these young men,
Speaker 1: these young Middle Eastern men, and their leaders subvert a
Speaker 1: bit what the Koran says, because one of the things
Speaker 1: that Koran says is you should not kill, But what
Speaker 1: they do says you can kill if someone's attacking your mosque.
Speaker 1: And so they've turned it in to that everybody's attacking Islam,
Speaker 1: and that becomes a you know, imagine, if you're a
Speaker 1: young man, that's the reason to fight, if someone is
Speaker 1: attacking your faith, and it makes it very easy for
Speaker 1: them to get these young men to fight.
Speaker 2: Well, Colonel Dunn, they're not attacking Islam. They're attacking one
Speaker 2: subset of Islam, and that is the radical, murderous segment
Speaker 2: of Islam. I mean, it's not really a war against
Speaker 2: the Islamic faith, is it.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. But that's how some of them
Speaker 1: get these young men to fight, is they tell them
Speaker 1: that they are attacking your faith, and then these young
Speaker 1: men sign up and they want to go fight Americans,
Speaker 1: Israelis or anyone that's threatening allegedly threadning Islam. And that's
Speaker 1: how they get these young men to fight. A lot
Speaker 1: of times, you know, if I may, you know, I
Speaker 1: met a lot of Iraqis after of one kind of
Speaker 1: calmed down before the rest of the insurgency began. They're
Speaker 1: just people trying to stay alive and keep their families alive.
Speaker 1: They'll fight if they have to, but they, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of them were forced into fighting us. And
Speaker 1: it was sad because you don't want these young men
Speaker 1: dying for no reason, and they're attacking our marines and
Speaker 1: marines they're going to fight back and kill that period.
Speaker 1: But it was sometimes sad that these these ill equipped
Speaker 1: folks would attack us, they would die, and we would
Speaker 1: look back and go, why would they do that? Because
Speaker 1: they were believing in something that they may have been
Speaker 1: tricked into believing.
Speaker 2: Understood, well, the world is filled with philosophies and put
Speaker 2: it people in that particular position if they don't step
Speaker 2: out of themselves and sort of look at it from
Speaker 2: a ten thousand foot perspective about what they're doing. Colonel
Speaker 2: dont if I may go back to the cell phone explosions.
Speaker 2: The one of the more interesting elements about this that
Speaker 2: they did target you know, has ball terrorists right, that
Speaker 2: they hit pretty much specifically just those terrorists. How is
Speaker 2: it in an organization, which any terrorist organization typically is,
Speaker 2: it's made up of cells individuals who don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: who the other ones are. They keep it separate from
Speaker 2: each other, and they'll get orders, you know, from on top,
Speaker 2: which go to the one person that does gets spread
Speaker 2: out over the others. It's sort of like a pyramid
Speaker 2: scheme of sorts, but it's ideas to kind of help
Speaker 2: them maintain their anonymity and help them maintain a minimalist
Speaker 2: presence in the crowd to be activated whenever they're directed
Speaker 2: to do so. How is it in that completely broken
Speaker 2: up structure that they were able to get these phones
Speaker 2: in the hands of just those terrorists.
Speaker 1: I would say they had perfect intel. Wow, people were
Speaker 1: on the ground.
Speaker 2: What's going back to your point about you know, swaying
Speaker 2: the people to turn in. There may be quite a
Speaker 2: few citizens that aren't happy with terror's control of their
Speaker 2: country that would help us help anybody along.
Speaker 1: That way, you would hope. So this is, like I said,
Speaker 1: this was perfect intel. I have never seen anything this
Speaker 1: perfect in my thirty you know, over thirty three years
Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps. You know, we have great intel
Speaker 1: that shows you how incredible and how much time and
Speaker 1: effort that the Israelis put into their intel. Side of
Speaker 1: the world. I saw this morning on Iran israel Is
Speaker 1: saying that the attack is coming. They will not know
Speaker 1: what happened, but they will see the results. So think
Speaker 1: of that ominous threat. Oh no, you know, if a
Speaker 1: plane or a missile comes, right, you can understand that,
Speaker 1: you can rationalize, okay, jet came to dropped the bomb
Speaker 1: on me, or a missile game and blue up, you know,
Speaker 1: blew up my factory. But when someone gives you that
Speaker 1: threat that you're not going to know what happened, You're
Speaker 1: just going to see the result. That should send shivers
Speaker 1: down the enemy of Israel.
Speaker 2: Well, if you had to anticipate what that form of
Speaker 2: attack that might come in. I know some are suggesting
Speaker 2: that the oil infrastructure be attacked, and some are suggesting
Speaker 2: the nuclear centrifuge areas. I know those are underground apparently,
Speaker 2: but that could be attacked. But could it possibly be
Speaker 2: that they unleash another like a Sutsnecks kind of software
Speaker 2: that you know, blows up the centrifuges making the enriched
Speaker 2: uranium or something along those lines.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think absolutely anything is possible. What
Speaker 1: I would like to see, what I would this is
Speaker 1: how I would do it is I would not attack
Speaker 1: the oil. I would attack all war supporting infrastructure. I
Speaker 1: would take out any of their aircraft or drone factories,
Speaker 1: maybe drone factory. I would take out their nuclear plant
Speaker 1: I would make I would blow their nuclear capability back
Speaker 1: one hundred years. And then what they're doing in Lebanon,
Speaker 1: you get the Iranian people, which, by the way, with
Speaker 1: all of the work that had been done in the
Speaker 1: past administrations, where Iran was on its heels, yes, they
Speaker 1: were almost imploding. We had them on the verge and
Speaker 1: some of our old intel beliefs that the civilian population
Speaker 1: was going to overthrow the Iranian government. This was years ago,
Speaker 1: before an administration change that could have happened, and none
Speaker 1: of this would be taking place right now. So that's
Speaker 1: what I would do if I was Israel, I would
Speaker 1: take out we're supporting infrastructure, leave the economy right now alone,
Speaker 1: so that you're not making the Iranian people. Some for
Speaker 1: the civilians, but they know the next wave takes those out.
Speaker 1: An you don't comply, then your next wave is your
Speaker 1: economy understood?
Speaker 2: And I get those those arguments. I guess you know,
Speaker 2: we all talk about in you know, broader perspective, world
Speaker 2: War three breaking out, given the cozy relationship the Iranians
Speaker 2: now have with the Russians and the Chinese, and I
Speaker 2: just worry about a larger global conflict breaking out. Any
Speaker 2: possibility of that in your mind, Colonel.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible, but there is no in my mind.
Speaker 1: In my mind, China in Russia will let Iran go.
Speaker 2: Maybe would be Russia's best interest from an oil production standpoint.
Speaker 2: Retired Colonel at Bernard Don We're out of time. I
Speaker 2: just love to talk. I can talk to you for hours, sir,
Speaker 2: but let me end by thanking you from the bottom
Speaker 2: of my heart and on behalf of all of my
Speaker 2: listeners who feel the same way, thanking you for your
Speaker 2: service to our country. It's been a fascinating conversation and
Speaker 2: you are always welcome here in the fifty five cars.
Speaker 2: Morning should discussed these world affarehs. Colonel, it's been a
Speaker 2: real pleasure.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, sir, and I have a great weekend
Speaker 1: and holiday for all your listeners. I hope everybody has
Speaker 1: a great day.
Speaker 2: Thank you and we will try you do the same.
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