Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, welcome back to I don't know how
long it's been May it's been three four years, I
don't know, but welcome back the comic book Virgins. I'm
the Weapon x Trest. Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the Hunter, Kirk Combatzer, what up.
Speaker 3: I'm the Skinner, Dylo mus I am the Space bub
Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Some of the Skinner name is just just disturbing when
you just say, like, I'm the Skinner, you know. But yeah,
but yes, this is the show we used to do
a long time ago, and we always said we're gonna
do it. We'll not always, but we just talked about
this because for the past couple of years, since they
bought Fox announced his twentieth century, they've been starting to
do these combook crossovers. Never in the shows and movies
and able to talk about that'd be great if they
did that one day, but for the past couple years
have been doing these predator crossovers. So we've brought Hey,
let's bring us back, because I don't Taylor was gonna reregardless,
I was gonna reregardless of we put it on there,
and we're all four here, so we're gonna be talking
about Predator versus spider Man, versus Wolverine versus Black Panther.
We will talk spoilers, but I think if you haven't
read them, I think it's be broad stuff and I
don't think it's anything you have to worry about. I
we'll kind of probably go like series by a series,
but yeah, you can go back in the ether and go.
We did that, I think for one year. And yeah,
if you like this, check this out, because there's a
couple more ones coming up in the next couple of years.
We'd like to do this. We're not gonna bring it
back like a full time or monthly, but maybe someone else.
So if you like this, listen to it and let
us know. And uh, yeah, I be appreciative. But it's
been a while. And that's the concept where most of
the time it was you know, me saying, hey, we're
gonna read this comic, and it was Taylor and Kirkland
being like, oh, I haven't read this, but this is
a case where nobody's read this. E myself, I stayed
away from all this stuff knowing this might happen at
some point, so, uh, I don't know what to do here.
So I'm gonna let Taylor pick the first one to
talk about and we'll we'll maybe we'll go by that
and then maybe at the end we'll rank. Let's rank
the three as far as enjoyment. But Taylor, what did
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Speaker 3: Oh, I want to start with my.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say his favorite, but I didn't want
to reveal the rankings.
Speaker 3: Say could have say least favorite, could have been most disappointed,
most controversial. We just don't know. But I'm gonna start
with the Wolverine comic one first. Okay, this one. Again,
my experience so far was just seeing some of the
Alien stuff and the Marvel stuff, and I saw a
lot of the Predator stuff too, and I wasn't sure
how this was gonna go, mingling in the Predator and
the Marvel stuff. But I mean, all of these comics,
the three different arcs that we will deep dive into,
it's it's been a damn good time. But this one
is an interesting one where it just kind of goes
through such a long period of time, the longest out
of all the other ones that we read. Where it
starts off like I think we crossed like a couple
couple centuries. I think I can't read the exact dates.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know if they ever said when
exactly the first thing's going on with Wolverine. But then
I picked up on it because I did not like
the way young Logan was looking only I don't like
seeing Wolverine no beer. That was off putting. He looked
too like GQ model Logan James. He's probably James Halla
at this point. But yeah, I think it's I don't
know when that was, but pretty.
Speaker 3: Old, pretty old. You get so many different eras in here,
and just different versions of Logan. And while it's it's
incorporating the different classic X Men and Weapon X, just
that marble stuff that just kind of makes up Wolverine
as a character. And then it just sprinkles in this
fucking killer from another planet, this predator who brings in
other predators to help him fight, and then it just
kind of like keeps going up and up, and then
he gets so pissed off when he loses his helmet.
He goes to the he gets lured in, we'll buy
Wolverine into this bear den, and then predator kills the
fucking bear and wears the bear skull as his mask.
It's just such some crazy shit and just this this
fight that goes on. Uh. But the last thing before
I let you guys go, I just had to highlight
in this fucking art because it's it made me fucking laugh.
It's one of the funniest things to see in such
a long fucking time. When Wolverine is fighting the Predator.
The Predator like he's about to get Wolverine, but then
all the X men help him, and you get this
one fucking panel in this comment. I'm gonna pull it
up here because it just fucking killed me. The Predator
looks fucking shook when.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what Crawler is does story.
Speaker 3: All he hears is gudin dog for the time fucking
killed she said, you startled. Oh my god, I just
love that.
Speaker 1: That's something I just gotta ask overall too, because not again,
the other one's overall for what you look at with
Cannon and the characters, how they act, the Predators, the
yuk Cha and all that stuff. Were you happy with
all these or was there and you don't gonna tell
there was some bad yet? Was there anything I was like, oh,
this is this is not my predator? You know this is?
Or were they pretty in line with you know? Were
you happy with what?
Speaker 3: I think? Everything was in line? And there was There's
one thing in the Predator Versus Black Panther comic that
I d down. I know it's pretty much in line
with both the Marvel side of the story and the
Predators said the story, But my personal preference was disappointment
and how it it the fallout of that scenario. But
I get it. It is, it is what it is,
and it fits both sides of that narrative.
Speaker 1: And I will say, we're gonna probably do this whenever
that Alien Realmless two sequel comes out. There was another
one we wanted to try and read but we never
got to. But there's that there is Alien versus Avengers,
and then I didn't put it in here. But right
now there is which I think Black Panther, which we'll
talk about probably sets up, is Predator kills the Marvel universe.
That's happening currently right now. So in a year's time
we'll probably catch up and read some of those. So
but yeah, Dylan, what did you think about Predator versus Wolverine?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is fun.
Speaker 5: I haven't read a comic in a while, and I've
not really read a whole lot of Marvel comics at all,
consider how big of a Marvel fan I am. So
it's fun to do this, even if it is a
kind of a weird what if scenario type thing. Overall,
I did enjoy kind of all these I think one
of the things that sends out to me is, you know,
I've seen some Predator things a little bit here and there,
but like they're all they're all kind of blend together
to me, like I'm no Taylor, where Taylor's like, oh,
that's the predator in the tree, Predator in the sewer,
Like I know this guy's part of this Klan all
knows all this stuff.
Speaker 4: I can't keep up.
Speaker 5: But in this, you know, with these three different stories,
I feel like there's a very different, like obvious clans
of these predators that all kind of like different motivations,
and there's different setups of why they're at on Earth
fighting against these people, these these Marvel characters, and so
I really like that. I feel like that they all
kind of took a different swing at And I don't
know if it is the same writers or different writers
for these, but it felt like, Okay, they're not just
kind of rehashing the same concept over and over again.
Of like the Predators saw that Captain America is on
Earth and he looks strong and we want to fight him,
Like it feels like it gets a lot more deep
than that, even if it's you know, only takes what
like fifteen twenty minutes to like read through one of these,
like all four issues back to front or something. So yeah,
I thought, overall, pretty good stuff.
Speaker 4: I love the art.
Speaker 5: I think the you know, illustrations here are fantastic. Some
of the frames really send out for sure, some like
the full page ones that look really great. And uh yeah,
so I guess specifically with the Wolverine one, this one,
this one's really crazy like that this scope of this
one's insane, kind of to Taylor's point there of like
just the the amount of like time jumps we get,
we're in like different eras, we're like, you know, potentially
hundreds of years apart in this one story, and then
like each issue individually is also like Okay, we're gonna
do at a flashback here, and then we're gonna jump
back to the present, and then we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Go back to like Japan for a little minute. Here.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, we go you know, we go to space
at some points. Like it's just it's crazy the amount
of like scope that's going on in this one. The
other two feel a lot more grounded than it, so
I liked it for kind of having that variety there,
but yeah, it also kind of I feel like, pushes
Wolverine too his limits in a way that I haven't
really seen before, just because of it's a different kind
of threat that I'm used to see.
Speaker 4: He's usually fighting somewhat.
Speaker 5: More grounded villains I feel like, and the things I've seen,
so this is uh just kind of a jump the
shark type moment, but like in a good way. So,
uh yeah, I had a good I had a good
time with with this one.
Speaker 6: I'll go next, Kirks. Uh yeah, I had lots of
fun with all three of these. I think it goes
to show just like how well the Yaoucha can fit
into these into these universes, whether it's the Marvel world
or the Marvel World, because that's all we're really covering
right now.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, DC, I'm sure I'm sure it
could pop up at some point.
Speaker 1: Have on the Predator Batman dead End the years ago
they did it's a very fun comic of Batman versus
the Predator, and then someone did a very cool short
film of it. But there is a Batman versus Predder
comic out there.
Speaker 6: So fuck yeah, we can make our version if the
Predator ever becomes a public domain.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's possible now, and I don't think
we have the budget. No, I think there's certain I
think the public domain laws eventually went away once businesses
got so reading and realized like we like because I think,
way way back in the day, I don't think. Maybe
I'm wrong, I don't think trademarks existed. I could be wrong,
but I don't think so. So I think the way
it's like those certain years of Batman that are going
to be public domain, eventually got to a point where
it's like, well, we can trademark bat Man and this
look of Batman and this design of it. So I
think that's what it was, where there's tons of stuff
that is still going in public domain, like Captain America
is going public domain Superman, but it's again, it's like
specific years. So I Thinkator probably happened in the time
where corporations were like, nah, the predators, predators are ours.
But you know, if it happens, we'll get a hunter
versus predator. Don't you worry. That's great. You put them
in the woods, you're after them. You know you can
mimic your voice.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and it would all be happening. And the Great
White North just like this story, a lot of it's
taking place. And yeah, I I really really enjoyed it.
I'll give my rankings at the end when when we
do that, but I think like even even when we
rank them, like they're all pretty close in my mind,
Like I had a really good time with all of these.
Speaker 2: I think visually they looked.
Speaker 6: Really stellar, like just the the just the drawing of
the artstyle like it it just looks really detailed, really
really impressive, and it's just it's just cool to have
the oouches in here, the different.
Speaker 2: Style of of of the predators.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I I I think it just fits these
worlds so well with with with the especially the characters
that we're tackling. But like, come on, Wolverine, like he's
just he's just like he's just built to be battling Monoa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they probably.
Speaker 1: The first pitched right, you could, but I feel like
if the second I asked this is like I think
Wolverine had to be the obvious, like that's we gotta
do that for sure.
Speaker 6: No, for sure, that's like the s tier one. But
like even even someone like Craven, like it's not his story,
like he's a part of the Spider Man story, but
like that character just fits so well to be hunting
the Apex predator. So yeah, really really really had a
fun time with this, and I think like the time scale,
especially for the Wolverine one, well, for the Wolverine one
definitely surprised me, but I was still just kind of
vibing with the idea of like Wolverine just has this
one fucking enemy just like just just life goes on,
but he's just always gonna clashing with this one enemy.
And I like it more of like an anthology story,
not like thinking of like, oh man, where was this
predator in the just just fitting of the mythos of
like Hugh Jackman's Wolverine or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But it's still a fun tale.
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, that's to me for this and all the other
favorite like all the other ones, My favorite aspect of
this is that they didn't try to be like, Okay,
let's explain it in a way where this is the
universe that's happening right now, Like there's no there's no version,
no combook, TV anything where the predators are part of
Wolverine's origins, right, but I like that it is very
much like a what if, Like that's just so at all,
we're not gonna try and make it work, like oh,
what happens at this where it's like, no, let's just
this is its own pocket universe, Like yeah, what if?
The it's just like Marvel Predator, right, and with all
these I really wish we got one episode and what if.
Like this is the stuff where I get why they
don't do live action, but man if they announced we're
doing an hour long animated Wolvering versus Predator moving on
Disney Plus, Hell, yeah, you know, like that's this and
that's been cheap too, like cheaper than live action. Right,
It's like I'm s for a corporation. Shit's so greedy.
I'm surprised that Marvel and Star Wars have yet to
cross really in any other than the comics. Right, But
these were fun, and that to me was the best
part of them doing different histories because right away you
can disengage and go, Okay, this is for me who's
read a lot of these comic books and knows the history.
It's like own pocket universe. I don't got to worry
about why the yak chop here here? Why is it?
And weaponex looking naked. It's like, no, it's just like
it's here doing its thing. And yeah, the Wolverine, one,
I would say, is you know, highly highly writing. For me,
I really enjoyed it. To circle back to what we
were saying. I was wrong. It's not trade mark, it's
copyright laws, copyright protection laws, and that got very big
in nineteen fifty two. So I feel like most stuff
pre nineteen fifty two is stuff that will start to
come up. Like with Batman it was like nineteen thirty five,
So I think anything after nineteen fifty two that's been already.
People are like, we got to protect our shit. We
can't have people doing this stuff. So there he goes.
The predator is what, Yeah we can make no one
can use them, but yeah, so we'll just we'll have
to go to twentieth century Kirk. I wanted to get
that it happened, but no, this was a great one.
Like Kerry said, this is the ideal guy. It's a
he's a predator himself. He's just known for fighting calong.
He has the healing factor, and yeah, I love that
it is, you know, you know we're talking about the
Dreadit Crow and stuff. But I love like that is
the basic You get all the flashbacks, but the basic
plot lines just the Predaer and Wolverine are gonna mean
the woods. And I think my only and this happens
with a lot of them, and I guess it's because
most of these single issues are twenty two pages. But
I just my only, Colum. This is I wish the
final confrontation between the Wolverine Predder was a bit longer.
It felt like we were finally there and it's a
couple of panels and then boom explosion that Say's like, okay,
that's fine, And you know, I like that Wolverine kind
of outsmarts them because of the healing factor. But no,
I think there's some a couple uh draw dropping motes here.
But I did like it also was a kind of
history lesson for Wolverine. It's like, you see his origins,
you see Weapon X, you see h god, what is
the they called it something else? The team here, but
the team he's on with saber Tooth. You see him
in Japan. Yeah, Tex, I can't remember what the hell
the actual name is x Force. It was kind of
like a variation of that as well, but uh and
then yeah in Japan, so I like it was kind
of like a best of that was the context and
then the actual showdown and even some stuff at the
Xavier manager, which that was on that panel when the
Exavior's talking to him and he just the thoughts in
the head. I was like, I think he was dead,
but I was like, oh my god, like he has
no idea what's about to happen? So, uh no, this
was tons of fun. All these were a good time,
but this was a really good time there.
Speaker 3: So that that moment too, Like you know, predators supposed
to kill like a specific target. This was obviously revenge
to kill Wolverine person, but this this is no he
just saw this guy in the chair. I was like, fuck,
this kind of chair just gonna shoot him.
Speaker 6: Maybe detection though, right, because Xavier is like super powerful,
maybe it's like that is actually the Apex predator, the
guy in the chair.
Speaker 1: Because really, yeah, like if like you think of it,
if you do a Xavier versus preador comic, that's like
two issues you like, really like, what's the yacht Chuck
gonna do against Xavier, right, like, obviously that's the thing
we're Exavier if it doesn't know what's coming, shooting the
head done. But if it's just if we're doing a
geek versus and it's then put us, you know, across
from each other in a stadium here is gonna have
no problem again this predator.
Speaker 5: I would love to see what it'd be like for
Exavier to like go in the brain of a predator
just like how oh my god, I just feel like
it's messy and dirty and grimy in there, and like,
I don't know the other brains work the same as
human brains.
Speaker 4: Can he do that?
Speaker 5: I don't actually know. I don't know how his powers technically?
Can he like any one of the consciousness?
Speaker 1: Can you control to look up with animals let's see?
Speaker 5: Yeah that's another thing too, Yeah, like does can you
mind control? Like can you learn what a squirrel is
thinking about?
Speaker 1: Oh? Look, you can keep going? Yeah, okay. So it
says his telepathy works on animals along him not only
read their minds and for see through their senses, but
also to manipulate their actions. I've seen its instances, like
calming a horse or directing a pigeons to attack a sniper.
His ability to control animals is often described as a zoopathy.
So there you go.
Speaker 3: So that's literally him the ball.
Speaker 1: He's Awkaman too, like he can controy. I guess he
could control the action and maybe, you know, yeah, I
want to scene though, like you know, sometimes different voices
come through Xavier. I won't like the Predator's voice to
come through Xavier while he was talking to Logan, you know,
like the prayer talks through them. But it almost met
his end in this thing, you know. And teamwork. Teamwork
is what helped get the win there, you know for that,
because I was very concerned when Logan was just going,
I'm like, what's gonna happen here? You know.
Speaker 6: I like how you like still was wanting to just
one v one the Predator After the fact, it's like, well,
we're still gonna have our one v one in Canada and.
Speaker 1: The destroy the school.
Speaker 2: He'll take that stubborn and he's stubborn.
Speaker 4: Going back to the first what do you call it? Issue? Chapter?
Speaker 1: Issue?
Speaker 5: Yeah, issue U the first issue, this is like we
had like a little montage of like the Predator just
like fucking up various animals over the years, like like
the one frame of it, like writing a killer whale
that for me got the big laugh moment the way
that you got that.
Speaker 4: In another frame, Taylor.
Speaker 5: But yeah that was and then yeah he also got
like the first one got like just killed by a bear,
which I was like, Okay, I guess. I guess bears
are powerful, but I don't think they could like kill
a predator.
Speaker 4: But I guess they can.
Speaker 3: It killed. Yeah, the predator killed the bear.
Speaker 5: M No, but didn't he like bait it into like
the cave. And then that's what killed the first one.
Speaker 1: No, that was the same guy because he comes up
the one panel preader comes out with the bear's head,
and Logan later on, Yeah, so Logan thought killed him
and he's like, oh, good job bear, and then until
he's with the exports there tam X the skinning and
that's where yes, of course it's the exact same predator's
after him. So yeah he did. The predator did kill
the bear.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 5: That's since all the preaders look the same. That's how Wow,
that's how I always fuck up and lose track of
that's fair, which I did, you guys find it too,
like because not that I've read a ton of the comics,
but I feel like shockers aesthetic. I could not unsee
shocker from the Predators because of the yellow like diamond
kind of pattern.
Speaker 1: Thing, fish and everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it really took me out of it a
little bit of like maybe that's just what they normally
look like, but it was too close to just like
one of you know, a low level goon to me.
For how powerful I consider the pressure. They're powerful, but
they also like always lose. I don't know how powerful
are they really?
Speaker 1: You know? Oh, claim ust hate this con because that's
when Cocktail Clay is because Chris with the Preador and
there's three issues of them losing, you know, and I
I'm just gonna go on a limb when we read
Predator kills the Marvel Universe. I doubt he's gonna actually
kill the Marble Universe. I would love that, though maybe
he does.
Speaker 3: I would say one of these, one of these arcs,
one of these issues, Uh, the Preadors win.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I think they off inflicted damaging loss, but more a
win than a loss.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a draw.
Speaker 4: I don't think one of those what are what if? Scenarios?
Speaker 5: Is the word I was trying to say, like kill
you can kill off more people. It's fine, it's not
you know, you don't have to worry about what it
means for like the rest of them, because people are dying,
but they're mostly like okay, I've not heard of this
guy before.
Speaker 1: He just gets off, like you could have killed there, right, really,
you know, like like because in this if it's a
what if universe, and that would be a good threat
for the Pressures to take out if they're maybe gonna
come back. So no, I agree with you. I don't
think that is our universe. So they could have taken
a few people out. So but you know they didn't.
Speaker 5: Because only one of these really is setting up like
a big cliffhanger for like wanting to do more stuff
in the future. Uh, but yeah, interesting nonetheless.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 6: The one Chap that did lose his head I think
it was in the first issue. It's when he's like
trying to hire Logan because he's claiming that, you know,
these guys took his son, and then and like the
like the panel where he's like tip he's like literally
tipping his hat and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, well, I decide I didn't need them anymore. Then
his head just.
Speaker 6: Like poofs and then the predators shows up. There was
another moment that just made me chuckle. But man, that
like there's certain certain like effects that happen in these panels,
whether it's like the predators mimicking the voices or even
just like there's many shots of it's like the predator's
point of view like looking at something, and then it
shows like the heat register like the thermal, and I
can just hear like from the predator movis just like chunk,
not necessarily like that, they're little like rattling voices, but
just like the actual like thermal.
Speaker 2: How it just goes like.
Speaker 6: Cha, yeah, yeah, there you go. There you go, a
lot of effects, a lot of audio. You probably got
one of them.
Speaker 5: Another highlight for me in this one is Wolverine gets cat.
This is like later on, but he gets captured and
he's like being taken up to space, but then he
like busts out and then just like Meteors back to Earth,
which is like, yeah, I guess with his healing powers
like that could where.
Speaker 4: He could survived this event.
Speaker 3: The guy was just bones, yeah the fuck.
Speaker 4: Just the skeleton at that point.
Speaker 5: But I thought that was so badass and like not
something I've really seen before from my boy Wolverine, because
that's kind of an over the top thing that you
wouldn't really get Hugh Jackman doing that, I think.
Speaker 1: But he wasn't just bones though, tailor. He still had
like his organs and brain protected by the adamantal skeleton.
So he still is that going on right, little yeah,
so it's still pumping away. He did say he didn't
know how long. It's like weeks from the heel back.
But I did love that concept, just like he went
through the the atmosphere to like he became an asteroid.
He's a hunker, he became a human mute asteroid. And
I just imagined laying there for just weeks like healing
up and you know, walking back and just been the
whole time.
Speaker 3: That whole setup got me just super jazz because the
Predator he just went into this Webinex facility, saw his
trophy just lying there. It was like, all right, fuck,
it just takes the trophy, throws it on his ship.
I guess he poured like acid or something on his
face or what I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 1: He had like in multiple issues, they had like little
like mace acid sprays. Have you ever seen that anything
live action?
Speaker 3: Avp R Inverse Preadaer Requiem, there's like the glowing gel
stuff that ows, and so he kept pouring it on
on things and it would just acid melt them.
Speaker 1: No spray, no spray, that's.
Speaker 3: No different nozzle, different nozzle. But this just this, this
part of CO got me so jazz because it's talking
about how all these countries just funneled billions into this
project and then they got to protect their assets. And
when the predator is getting into ship but taking off,
like the fighter jets come in and uh, they're they're like,
what the fuck did we do? And they start shooting
at him, and then he just blasts off into space,
and yeah, like I would love to just have seen
like the fallout, Like how long did it take for
the predator to realize that his fucking trophy got up
and walked out of the ship and just jumped through
the fucking atmosphere of this planet and.
Speaker 1: Then headless, like a headless I guess it was. That
was a weird image of seeing Logan. His body's all there,
but then his skelt like he's just like a skeleton man, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like the Predator. Did he have the idea like, oh, well,
my trophy, Like there's no way he survived, Like he's
just dead dead. No, I'm gonna go back and just
and get him. Like he's just just the fucking dedication
of this Predator to just go and get his trophy.
He wanted that skull. I I like that because it's
too when he when he's Logan's there, like he carves
him open and he like looks at his like his
bones and it's just like, oh my god, just fucking
oogling and oggling over his skeleton. Oh the Predator got Travis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to sneeze right.
Speaker 5: Another Another one of my favorite frames out of this
one is all the way near the end chapter in
the fourth issue. Uh, just like that, just when we're
getting set up for that final battle between the two
of them, and you have Predidre and Wolverine, you know,
side view facing each other with like the moon kind
of like surrounding them almost like in the background.
Speaker 4: I love that shot.
Speaker 5: That was highlight highlight shot of this whole series for
those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good one. Let's see there anything. Yeah, acids,
I don't think I took about everything for Wolverine. Acid
Spray is gonna ask about it and the savorite thoughts,
so that was something. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Last, Yeah, the last thing for me on this one was,
you know, when when Wolverine wins, I mean you got
sacrifice like bombs. So he's like, you know, he's taken
out for a while, and like I think it's like
a week later or something, he wakes up or whatever
it is when he's finally like recombined again and he's
talking like or I don't know if he's talking about
or he's just thinking about it, but talk about feeling
this emptiness now that like this strong opponent is no
longer there for him to I don't know, I guess
test himself again. So I really like that angle of
wolving because I feel like I haven't really seen that before.
He just wants to kill something, just like get it
out of the way, and I never thought about like
him really just you know, thinking about his skills trying
to improve himself, which you know kind of does go
back to the Japanese section too, where he's just like
having a train for me, He's like almost whining. He's like,
I just want to use my clause when I'm going
to use my clause.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think this is is a cool kind of other
side of Wolverine that I haven't seen before. So there's
some cool stuff there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree, they're really like the ending of just feeling
emptiness and didn't talk about much. But I like the
whole set piece of them hunting and Wolverine being stuck
on the cliff and everything. I thought that was fun.
I could have used all actual whole issue of that.
Like I didn't mind the Japan flashback, but I don't
think it was really needed. Of they fight a little bit,
and you know, the sad was like, oh, that's your battle,
and then the hands was like, well this is our battle.
So the pretor goes, that's your battle. Just oh yeah,
a little convoluted. Like I just.
Speaker 3: Was like, fuck this, he's got reinforcements.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just would have rather more of those panels
been like, let's make the final Wolverine preedder Fred just
a bit more gnarly, because it felt like, like you said,
delan great moon image they hit together, Wolven's like, oh,
for one moment we were one. You get to see
one panel Wolverine stab him, preder stating him, and it's
just like just cuts some preer being like, well, funk this,
and he like Tenay's the ball. It felt like he
felt like he decided he lost too fast for my liking.
Speaker 3: So that that's set up too where the Preader like
from Logan's point of view, Logan's like, oh, I didn't
understand what the symbols were, but I knew it was
about a bomb, like a countdown, and he's talking like, oh,
I can't wait for the satisfaction of this. This guy
he's gonna die or thinking he's taking me down as
his trophy, but he's not going to because he's gonna regenerate.
The Preader dies trophy less.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that a lot or Predor just think he's
taking him out and then nah, nothing, just just another
week for Logan.
Speaker 6: You know, Logan always has such great quotes, whether it's
in the anime series or in these panels.
Speaker 2: And another one that I just enjoyed.
Speaker 6: It was a little more a little more morose, but uh,
when I think it is the scene when Xavier's like
about to get domed, and he's just kind of like
thinking to himself of like, I've had a lot of
people die around me. It's like some enemies, some friends.
He says, my my flesh can't scar, but my heart can.
And it's just like, oh man, it's like super heavy,
but like it's in the middle of like some action
scene that we don't really stew on it with, but
that happens a lot with Logan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else for this one? M All right, Taylor,
where are we going next?
Speaker 3: Lean on you and oh, let's lean a spider Man,
let's get in there.
Speaker 1: You mean the remake of Predator too pretty much?
Speaker 3: Yeah, legit. It actually felt like that.
Speaker 1: It's in New York, the town's super hot, everyone's sweating. Yeah,
that's titties. Lots of the train the train seen made
me think, yeah, that was I was like, there's yeah,
there's a lot of almost identical beats to Predator two
that are happening and the Spider Man Wilmo. I found
that fun, but also a little.
Speaker 3: Lazy with with this one getting into it, like this
is the first one that I started reading. I didn't
hit the other one still laughter, So uh, I was
trying to get a read on this predator. And when
this predator was like doing certain things like okay, okay,
this is interesting, and then all of a sudden we
cut to with the predators on the train. I thought, okay,
there must be a criminal or something on the train. No,
this prenat is just fucking killing everybody on this train.
I'm thinking, holy fuck. And I thought they're retconning and
just doing a whole bunch of different shit here. Didn't
even think about the bad bloods. That just totally went
on my head. So when you have like the predator
police squad show up, I thought, this is fucking sweet.
I love this And this is probably the most like
as brutal as it is because you have this bad
blood that's killing all these innocent people. It's definitely the
those lightest light step to one because like Peter Parker,
he's not killing them. He doesn't kill any of them,
I don't think. I think he just evades and just
maneuvers around them, and like he is trying to keep
his identity secret. J Jo and Jamison is a delight
in this too. He's pretty chill, not his but oh yeah,
just pulling cons.
Speaker 1: Your family will die tonight.
Speaker 3: If you don't that was good.
Speaker 5: So Taylor, the bad Bloods, can you explain that more?
For of course I know what it means.
Speaker 6: You don't know what the blood, you don't know what
the bad blush, so predator predator.
Speaker 3: Hierarchy is basically all different types of clans ruling for power,
and there's certain clans that have high honor, other clans
that are a little bit more uh, dis regarding to
that sort of stuff. And then you have ones that
are on their owns, bad blood They hunt with no water,
they kill you just because they're they're doing it. They're
doing their own shit. And those are basically, you know,
they're bad bloods. They're sought after to be eliminated because
they're disrespectful to the hunt, disrespectful to the clans. And
so you have these goodish, more honorable predators I guess
that come in and eliminate the bad bloods.
Speaker 5: Beautiful, thank you. I yeah, I really like the setup
for this one. I think the idea of they're just
being like this defector, now I know the term the
bad this bad blood here, who's just off and it's like, yeah,
just like a you know, a weapon with the safety
off just like completely dangerous set off in like a
place with a lot of just you know, innocent people
who have no way to defend themselves. Also at a time,
like there's so much emphasis on like how hot it
is and how sweaty everyone is, And I didn't really
understand why we're doing that. I guess we're just trying
to make this feel a little bit different. But even
just like the backgrounds being extremely yellow and orange, like
maybe they just wanted a different flavor for.
Speaker 3: New York, a tract as a heat. So that's one
of the things there. You go.
Speaker 1: One when they were there, like, yeah, prayer too, but
like in the Wolverine when it starts, it's just like
pure ice, right, So that's it's like, which.
Speaker 3: Was a surprise, It's seeing predator in a snow landscape
was fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah it was.
Speaker 1: I just I'm just curious, Okay, Yeah, I really like
that setting.
Speaker 4: I mean I think it is fun.
Speaker 5: I have just like this hot New York going on,
and we have this kind of this bad blood roaming around.
Then you get that yeah, as you as Tylor said that,
the police squad to show up and kind of wrangle
them and then of course, as kirkcle mentioned earlier, like
Craven gets gets in the mix here.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think I think this one's really fun.
Speaker 5: I just like the feel like there's a various layers
of cat and mouse going on here with like intergalactic
threats and like classic Spider Man stuff which is just
a really fun dynamic and even get just like Peter
Parker tame pictures of crime scene in this, you know,
we get like the very basic Peter Parker stuff along,
which like just this crazy multiple aliens coming down and
killing people and then there's aliens against aliens.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's insane.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Kirkling, I love your boy Spidery here.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, I I absolutely loved this this little series here.
It was just such a fun setting. I didn't really
pick up on the fact that it is so similar
to Predator too until you guys mentioned it, but like it,
it really is. Even like the emphasizing of like it
is hot as.
Speaker 1: Fun reminds me of that the very first ever Captain
Carter episode where it was this kind of like a
remake of Captain American movie with her in it. Obviously
it doesn't go that way exactly, but at least the
first two issues felt like, oh, we're doing Predator too again,
but with Spider Man, like you said, no titties, no
Columbian drug lords, but Danny clever unfortunately.
Speaker 6: But yeah, but no, that this was super fun. I
completely agree with Dylan. I think like just the setup
of like the players at play, whether it's the bad
bloods or the police force here to take away the
bad blood like it just it all just makes sense,
like having Craven in here too, like everything just makes
sense for setting up like the story wise, and yeah, no,
it was just just super fun.
Speaker 2: I also it's like have a very.
Speaker 6: I'll say, like graphic like material on like a Spider
Man story where you just have like literal people like
skinned alive, Like that's not normally what you would be
seeing on your Saturday morning, uh.
Speaker 2: Spider Man cartoon.
Speaker 6: So yeah, just made it seem a lot more mature,
even though like Spidey wasn't taking anyone, like he wasn't
killing people. You're still the basic Spidy, but just having
more just having into a more mature world. It was
really fun setting and JJ just just dropping f bombs
here and there constantly and almost every every line he dropped.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's yeah, they at his core, there's a
good guy there somewhere.
Speaker 2: He was a good guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's what threw me off for a loop
was just seeing like just skinned bodies in the Spidermen
one Wolverine, not so much Black Panther, but with Spamn.
That's the thing. I try to like, Goblin's up there,
but if you think about this road gallery, they're not
really that right. They're not like it's not like Batman
where he's detective and it's like, oh the Riddler did
this terrible crime or Spa you know, like Goblin, he
does some terrible actions, but it's not necessarily like this
and doc ox On and the rest are like Rhino
and Scorpions. So it was odd for me to see
Peter Parker walk up to like a Dexter Morgan crime
scenario and like this must be a serial killing. He
snaps a picture of Like now that was bad. I
was like, okay, I guess that's what it should be here,
right with the preadit. But also just like Peter is
used to seeing and stuff, So that kind of threw
me for a loop because I feel like that's almost
more Matt Murdoch, So I enjoyed these all this one. Yeah,
I feel like they're the first two issues I didn't
love because it did kind of feel like that kind
of like remixing some off a little bit too much. Honestly,
Like I think the same way I was disappointed with
the Wolverine Predator Fighter. I see more disappointment. This doesn't
feel like they really have like a big final fight because,
like Tay said, he's kind of just evading doing stuff.
It honestly feels like they wanted to just do Predator
versus Craven, but they knew that probably wouldn't sell as well,
so they call it Predator versus Spider Man, and that
got Craven in there. Don't get me wrong, Craven is
a natural fit, right. He loves big game hunting. He
hears about there's this new guy in the streets skinning people,
like oh, he was like he was like again, Novi's like, oh,
this must have been a master who did this. There's
no ripped material. I mean he saw about the skinning
of the people. He Craven was very impressed and just
like in awe of this guy. So I feel like
that's what they wanted to do, even the final like
the Big Bad Skinner, his showdown is against Craven, It's
not against spider Man. Spiderman's just off the side. Even
like m Jack then here it's like a mcguffin for
Spider Me, like I gotta find her, I gotta find her,
but just if and the cop looking for like like oh,
Peter park Like the whole storyline Peter Parker. Bad stuff
happens around right when this is a one of and
ass as far as I assume it's not gonna continue
on maybe Marvel Kills the Universe it does, But for
this it felt like I don't know if I need this?
Oh is Peter Parker Spider Man in this these stories? Right,
It's like, let's just get to this stuff. I do
hope with that Marvel or Peer kills Marvel University ending
of Craven gets played in because I want to see
I want to see where that goes him kind of
being like I don't know and embraced in the yuk
Chak Klan like I don't know, like they I feel
like Taylor, they've I guess we've maybe seen that now
Predator Killer of Killers. I don't think he was joined
the clan. They've definitely given respect to people. I guess
even in Predator too. They that's almost an ending of
that too, right because they give Glover that gun out
of respect. So it's like another illusion of PREDATORO. So
it is really much like a soft kind of remake
of that. But uh, yeah, all the Craven stuff. Really liked.
Spider Man stuff was fun enough, but I had some
issues throughout the stuff. But uh, Craven Man and he's
he's awesome. I love I love that He's just the
Predators know what type of beasts the sky is, you know,
they respect it. So in Craven fun character.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, yeah, that that line when he's like this
is more than a hunt, this is a race.
Speaker 4: That was like a perfect setup we're about to get.
I really enjoyed that moment.
Speaker 5: And like speaking to the like the brutality of this
compared to what we're used to with Spider Man, that
fucking shot when it's like no one is safe and
it's just a shot of like a bloody slide at
like a children's playground, like blood dripping down like Jesus Christ,
Like that is so far obviously we don't see like
a dead kid or anything like that, but it is
like not what I'm used to from Marvel, specifically Spider Man,
but it just Marvel at all. So I like that
we kind of get to this weirder, darker, most more
demented place with with this series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even though yours was more mess up than mind
even the first time when we see the Predador and
he just jumps at somebody just rips their face off
just with his hand. He just grabs him by their
face and just peels her skin right off.
Speaker 3: It just puts it on his face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was a little ads like leather
face had geen over her. But yeah, really mess up
stuff anything else on this Uh these.
Speaker 3: Ones uh shout outs to again like it was just
Mary Jane. I thought she was toast in this, but
her like making it out and the tune up with
the homeless guy and the homeless Guy's like here, you
want to get out of here, a couple, get the
fuckers throwing.
Speaker 4: Rats to hide yourself.
Speaker 1: They could have died from that. Let's just hope they
have like tetanus or raby shots. Like just that alone,
they could have been killed so.
Speaker 2: And Buddy just murdered. Next next slide, just like, why
didn't he jump in there with them?
Speaker 3: Make it count?
Speaker 2: She's like, I'll talk to him all leave. This guy
was not wanting to leave the throne room at all.
Speaker 3: Had another thought to fuck, I can't remember it though, did.
Speaker 1: You I mean to circle back?
Speaker 2: Don't worry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, give me say they were down to
the spidermen one. I'm gonna say. I think I have
nothing more to say the face ripping than because I
just love that line of Jonah holding the newspaper like
your loved ones will die tonight if you don't read this.
And I thought that was fun. All the powers down,
so let's go outside, let's, you know, do it like
the old ways. And I thought that was fun. I
thought they surprisingly. I guess it was a situation, but
I feel like Jonah and Peter were more chummy than
they usually are, Like Joona's still like an asshole, but
they definitely way more. Feels like in this universe, maybe
Petersake is like right hand man, which kind of worked. Again.
I didn't really need the cop stuff in there. I
thought it was fine to be with Jonah there, but
the cop really didn't do much here, Like I just
I don't know. I thought it was a weird threat
to try to do if you had more issues of
her thinking at one point like maybe Peter Parker's skinning
these people. It's like, I don't, I'm not here for
the pread or comment for this cop to be like
taking down Peter Parker, you know. And I you know,
so I like the Jonah stuff cop stuff not so much,
you know, And yeah, I guess I didn't even speak
of the predator. I like that they're being the skinner
and him being off the side because we've talked about
some preaders kind of it wasn't there one when we
talk about a VP, there's one pre kind of just
going off on their own, just trying to do something right,
Like I feel like we've talked about that before, where
there's always some predat that's something like that. You know,
I'm gonna show maybe maybe it's your predator and a
tree tam predators.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we've just covered that stereo type, you know, trope,
which I like, if a predator is being I'm gonna
do my own thing, and I guess, yeah, or just
like one off the row. I don't know if the
said they were a bad blood in the thing, but
I think we've talked about it at some point, because
this concept didn't feel like a like, oh, completely foreign
to me, you know, mm hmmm hm. Backing up, that's okay, no, Uh.
Speaker 3: The Craven thing, that's what I've touched upon. Him just
being able to just waltz in and join their ship
or whatever like or join I don't know if he's
in their crew, but he boards there.
Speaker 1: He's in the crew. Yeah, yeah, he's in the crew.
They gave him a simple and he walked right in
the ship. They said, come on.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That was very much like a VP style. And
the Predator Chief just was the I guess not the
Predator Chief, the young blood, the marks, the chick what
is her name? I can't Claire, No, not Claire No,
sounds y. I think it's a lax. Yeah, yeah, that
whole dynamic. That's graund love to see. Uh. Take us
to the breader home world where Craven is just in
the fucking arena, just fighting these guys and too again
he's just he's just pulling some crazy ship because the
guy fixes the generator and then Craven throws his fucking
spear into it. He's like, we're gonna keep the darkness,
little wild city.
Speaker 2: That someone that works on electrical equipment.
Speaker 6: That is like the biggest scariest thing they could ever happened.
Speaker 2: Somebody just pull out like sabotage.
Speaker 6: Is that in front of you as it's just going on,
massive explosion, Like we don't even see those guys again,
they're probably just dead.
Speaker 2: I think Craven is a murder of those civil workers.
Speaker 1: We'd be hosting the twenty four hour tribute to Kirkland
Stream if that were to happen.
Speaker 2: By Craving the Hunter. That's it's going to ring to it.
Though it's worse ways to go, yep.
Speaker 1: Better ways to go though as well. I think to
have some sort of pain, you know.
Speaker 2: So the grad Tyrian Lenister yep, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It is his name, Tyrian.
Speaker 3: Taiwan and Tyrian you're.
Speaker 6: Thinking about, I'm talking about Tiana, Like, how do you
want to die?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes's mouth on my cook Okay, I thought he
was talking about how he died and like you got
to rewatch you thrones.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they also were going on to Black Panther move on,
do it all right to your field, Black Panther. I'm
assuming this is one you can give your roles with.
And also there was something in here you didn't want
to talk about yet, but we talk about now. Yeah,
like the predator kind of one, but like he just
ran away.
Speaker 3: This is this is where Predator. The predators. They lose,
but they win more than they lose because yes, the
predator got the vibranium god vibranium off planet Earth into
space and then fucking blew up, which was hilarious, but
all that vibranium is just raining down on like the
predators like city. So this evil Predator king just gets
access to the the god metal, like fuck you just
to be able to build this whole fleet and everything.
So this is a huge one up because no one
else has been able to get the fucking vibranium out
of Wakanda unless your claw. This fucker accidentally just distributed
it to the whole predator fucking masses out here. So
I think that creates a very very awesome follow up
story that I want to see. But this one, there
was a lot of stuff in here that I liked.
I liked how they were building up. Okay, Wakanda built
their cloaking technology based on the Predator tech, which is
fucking crazy. Yeah, that's such a cool connection. Cool Yeah,
and then like Predator's hacking into their technology too, and
just there there's so much stuff going on there, just
like the but the core of how it started, where
you have a Predator king, you have two sons. One
was big and strong and had the favor of the father,
and then the other one was more weaker and smaller
and was missing had a robotic leg but had like
his wrist gauntlet blade in his wrist and had to
rely on his smarts and to be more intelligent even
though he was kind of a dumb dum. I just
think that is something I would love to see in
a fucking live action movie. Doesn't even have to have
the Wakanda stuff in there. If that's in there, that sure,
that's great. But just the dynamic of these two sons
competing for their father's approval, and I've sure, I know
we've seen that in other you know, franchises whatever, Samurai products, Yeah,
but not with Predator. And that's just such a very
it makes it makes sense fitting narrative dynamic, and so
for this storyline. It's great, and you throw in the
dorm a lot milage, right, dormalage, dermal and then yeah,
just those other they were like white panthers. They were
like more like grunts. Though I'm not sure whether where
they fit into the hierarchy. Yeah, I think they were cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're like I think they'd be below
the dormalage. I don't know, but that's where I don't
think they knew this at the time. But that's where
it's funny. Like especially i'd say issue one, it does
feel like that Predator is the main character, even though
the narration feels like it's from the Predator, which is
funny that we're going to bad Lands where that's the
first movie where the Predada is the main character. Right,
So it's it's one of those things where it's like
between the Colm book and even I think from what
we've see the trailers, like, oh this this could work right,
So bad Lands works out. I'm not saying you're gonna
get a one to one of this story or something exact,
but you could see more tales of Predator being the
you know, the main story. Yeah, the main guys. Yeah,
which is like not something I don't think you can
do with the zenos. You know, like maybe they could
try that. I'd be down to see them try, but
I think that's a lot harder to pull off. But
prend Or, Yeah, that was all great, like that, that
whole kind of just you know, backstory of this plan,
this world, and this plan was looking really armored. They're
looking like medieval at times, some of the armor they
had and the spikes coming out of it. But no,
this one was really good. I think for me the
lower it was the strongest stuff. I think lots of
stuff of the Mill was like it it was okay,
it was good. I did like the kind of allusions
to their showing the clans complete and then they go down.
They show like you know, Shury's team versus c'challa's team.
They're kind of competing, so it's kind of shows like
the similarities between you know, an earth bound people and
alien race. But so yeah, I think there was some
stuff of the Mill that I wasn't kind of like
some some buffer stuff. But I think the first issue
and the last issue when we got really into the
mean potatoes of just the full invasion, and uh yeah,
I think we'll call. That was another one where I
guess New York did make sense. But that was one
when they announced it's like, oh that's another perfect one.
Go down. Yeah, that's some fun. Like you said, lower
stuff with the cloaking and the goes to the god
what is that place called? He talks to the elders
and everything.
Speaker 2: Oh, it has like it's like the wolf something the.
Speaker 1: Plane, No, the where he talks his ants but anyways,
oh something playing plane or whatever, the playing there you go. Yeah,
and they of his grandfather and they all thought I
was paranoid and stuff, so it's good he tied him where.
Some people were around for that battle. Some people weren't,
so they kind of think like like, I don't know
what you're worried about. So no, this was this was
This was a fun one. Again. I would take a
six episode series of they've adapting this an animation. It
was a really good time this one. And yeah, I
think the Stronghold was the backstory of those two uh
brothers competing. And you probably like this one too, because
the preder got tied up in the tree.
Speaker 3: He got teddat tree. I wanted I wanted the brother
to come out on top though, that we're not coming
on top. I want he was the underdog. I was
rooting for him to make some kind of a deal
with with black Pants and be like, hey, can I
have some of this and like bring the vibranium back?
Like to what would they get?
Speaker 1: Just what would the predator trade them then, because they
already got the clothing tech, what would they have Thata
and Company could use Taylor.
Speaker 3: I think like it would just be cool to have.
Like the whole theme here was we need to open
ourselves out to the world and accept help or and
offer help and all that kind of stuff, and to
get that not just with Earth. But they're like, okay,
the Predator's are like, hey, we will help you here
if you help us by giving us the vibranium. But
the extent of that was Falcon randomly fucking shows up
and you know, just talk.
Speaker 4: Shit style though, right they're not there to talk.
Speaker 3: It's not their style. That's why deep down, I know
that it works out the way it should. But my
you know, my expectation of what I want, uh, I
wanted it to be different. But I can accept it
because it is the right way that they handled it.
This predator, you know, hides a ship brings his clan
there After, his clan got fucking bopped by his biased
father and his piece of shit brother just fucking annihilated
and takes his remnants to Earth with this mini fleet
just starts harvesting fucking vibranium. Just crazy, crazy good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really enjoyed this one as well. I think
the lower aspects are the most interesting thing, Like even
you know, like the one predator gets into the control room,
like it starts hacking stuff, which kind of locks shery
out for a little bit, and then her and Magi Kena,
I think is that the guy's name, Like that they're
kind of working together.
Speaker 4: There's other little crew.
Speaker 5: He gets taken out by one of the predators, but
then she takes him out in return and then gets
the helmet, And I thought that was a really fun thing.
Is obviously she's like a hacker type in the fact
that she's like kind of trying to do the same
thing reverse engineered of like, Okay, I'm gonna use this
helmet for my own, Like is that something that has
been done before in a movie? Taylor, Like has someone
like hacked a helmet and like use that to their
own advantage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see Roland do it and predators. He takes
a predator helmet, hacks it, he makes it his own,
can use the cloaking tech and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it makes sense for like, sure you to
be the kind of character that would think to do
that kind of thing and end up obviously working out
for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The Falcon part that was like a weird little sign
tangent and like I didn't love their dialogue. He's like,
oh you you don't look like a princess like all
this like.
Speaker 1: And the outfit was blast. Yeah, that was I don't
this is not the time for classic Falcon. He was
looking like he's looking like d squad.
Speaker 3: He was like, sure he didn't want his help, like
this loser.
Speaker 1: It's weird because that when I saw him, it felt
like we were reading an old call. Like if we
do Secret Wars the next few years and we read
something from like the eighties nine, he's like, oh yeah,
a Falcon could look like this when this is written
in like this past year. It's like this is what
he did to Falcon, Like look at what he even
has in the MCU, Like he just looks like he's
in like a gym Olympics unitar and then his wings.
It's just was such an odd fit for Falcon this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then even the fact that he's just like
oh yeah, I was like Cap sent me over to
take out like some arm dealers and like Africa or whatever,
and it was just I was pretty close by, so
I just heard this little distressed. It just seemed a
little little cheesy to me, a little goofy. So I
don't know if to added much. I mean it was
at first I was kind of hype to see Falcon,
but then it just kind of didn't really go anywhere
in his dialogue was just super awkward. So yeah, overall
I thought this this I was about to say episode,
but this GOMC to me had some really fun lower
world building stuff and like.
Speaker 4: I almost want a head canon it. They're like, oh yeah,
anytime I see that.
Speaker 5: That invisible uh wall dome thing that they have, like yeah,
they got that tech from the Predators for sure, that's
a that's a cool detail.
Speaker 1: And even the staff too, like we did talk about
when the staff the brother has, like they talk of
this powerful staff that can control this like just a
crowd control and everything that's cool that it's like, oh,
that's the vibraneum builds up that, you know, compacting the
damage and boom, it's like this fun little Tians there, so.
Speaker 2: Fun little Tians. Uh.
Speaker 6: This series had plenty of those. This is another one
that was lots of fun for me. I do agree
with you, guys, I think just like the overall lore
building stuff is kind of.
Speaker 2: It's kind of my favorite part of it.
Speaker 6: But like as as we were going along with the issues,
I feel like there's just really cool looking, like just
just panels and just certain again, like the the art
style of everything.
Speaker 2: Just like really really stellar.
Speaker 6: And Black Panther is just such a badass character and
just just seeing him drawing this way or put into
these certain situations, it I'm I'm I miss just having
Black Panther popping off on.
Speaker 2: Just where we are.
Speaker 6: I feel like it's been a big back seat, so
it's gonna be nice to get back into some more.
Speaker 2: I guess Young.
Speaker 6: T'Challa now in the overall where we are in the MCU,
I hope.
Speaker 2: We don't even know.
Speaker 6: We don't even know what's going on actually, so hopefully
in Secret Wars or something. He gets more black panther action.
Speaker 1: Hey, well, oh yeah, we'll see sure again at least
and we know di y'all Junior's coming, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but no cool stuff in here. I
was kind of wanting more of like the brother storyline
just because it was an interesting setup. And then it's
it's not really solid, like to like the last ditch effort.
This this like failure of a brother. It's like, hey,
I I fucking did it, and I'm I'm I'm bringing
you know, I'm gonna bring all the god metal to
you guys, and.
Speaker 2: You just got absolutely marched.
Speaker 6: So they're just gonna get the god medal and never
see that their strange son ever again or slash brother.
Speaker 2: But it very much.
Speaker 6: Feels like the Predator way, the way that the father
like set up the the more physically stout brother to
just be the one. It's like, Okay, this is gonna
be a one on one matchup where this one, this
one brother is quite likely gonna win and I'm gonna
give you my god staff also, and then like they say,
like every time they clashed, it's like it was pretty close,
but that staff really was the designing factor. So like
really the brother that has a power leg. Yeah, he's
got like one leg and he's weaker. Probably should be
the guy because how did he even get that close? Uh,
you know, even without the staff. But still it's an
interesting setup. Paid a win absolutely battle pass.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I also really like seeing the predators like space base.
I just like the design of it and just the
interior but exterior even just seeing like the what it
looked like. I thought that was kind of fun because I,
if I haven't seen a lot of predator stuff, so
I don't know much about their their home bases. And
then even jump jumping ahead a little bit when we
go into the Vibranium mine and specifically the part when
like Black Panther and crew are kind of trying to
locate the predator in there.
Speaker 4: I feel like that looked like the inside of like
the Death Star.
Speaker 5: I was kind of surprised about that, Like, I just
feel like from the bits and pieces very high to you,
it was not what I was expecting the inside of
that mind to look like. So just some some fun
kind of locations in this one.
Speaker 1: Let me sees the oh yeah, I just put a
fucking suit yuck. And then there's one moment too, when
the Dorman lodge, when they're just starting to figure something out,
and then like they think something's wrong, they know something's off.
I think they find me one of their is dead
and they just like some blood is dripping down. Obviously
the pred is cloaked, so the bread they could be
come fro anywhere, and he's decapitated somebody. But then there's
just this panel of a cloak preada jumping through the sky,
but he's holding the guy's headed decapitated. Just horrifying, just
horrifyinguse especially if you think from their angle they're just
seeing a flying head being held by something. Obviously we
get to see the panel where he would be. But yeah,
that was maybe one week thing too. If like that happens,
they start to fight off and then another one pops
up and I can't know what they do. May they
send a beam and then they just start to run.
And even one of them was like, I'm sorry to y'all,
like this happened and we forgot our training. And then
he's like, well, don't worry about regret now. But it
did feel like at the very beginning they almost gave
up very easily, just to run and Eventually they regrouped
got back together. And the other thing too, is I
liked that moment with Surey when she was attacked by
that prayer that was like in like using the cloaking
shield because at the same time they get through, but
he was like using it to hide him something, and
I came back and grabbed her. Unfortunately put that spear
through the guy's head as well too. But it's like,
I could I could see that in a movie being
like a good jump scare moment where it's like they
kind of let you know there, then boom happens, and yeah,
I thought, sure he get in the helm was cool
and she looked cool, and you know, I didn't think
she was dead, but I was wondering how when the
ship went down that crashed as she got out of it.
They didn't really explain that. She just said, oh, I
heard the calms that down made a move, so it's like, okay,
I guess there's an ejector seat or something. But I
thought it was a you know, fun enough cliffhanger.
Speaker 4: Nonetheless, but I thought.
Speaker 5: This comic was a really great highlight of a koye,
which is like a character who's always around and I
feel like sometimes she's just kind of warming the bench
a bit, but I like that she kind of took
that inner stage for a lot of this of kind
of leading her crew, and like the one sequence when
they're in the jungle and she's like, I know this
jungle as well as I know my own body, and
just like I you know the the bullfrogs croaking, the
methane bubbles, but I don't hear the bird. It's just like,
you know, all these little details that she knows so
well about these jungles and how she's able to like
detect that something's wrong, something's off. So I like that sequence,
and just in general, I thought she was like a
good addition in here. Speaking of I mean, some of
these lines or frames are obviously so brutal. One of
the most brutal ones for me was the line the
door milage vanished in a red spray, just like yeah, yeah,
I just started to fucking liquid like insane.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, cople of the things for me on this one
one the magi Keina again, at one point he's he
has like a vision of what's gonna happen to Wakanda,
and it's like you see a little a visual of
like a predator with its mouth like fully open and
then just like some dreaming faces inside the mouth of
the predator, which I thought was like a really just
visceral freaking image. I really, uh, I really liked. I
liked that character. I feel like I'm surprised that he
hasn't like been in the MCU in any sort of way.
It seems like he's a relevant character. I'm curious if
we ever see a character like that pumping in?
Speaker 1: Is that not who forced Whittager is playing the first one?
I could be wrong, but he hasn't in the MCU.
Speaker 4: That is a shocking It's how long since I've watched
the first BP. Actually, maybe he isn't there.
Speaker 2: Maybe that is.
Speaker 1: Because I think isn't isn't he the guy that he
does the seance he gives the power bankle B Jordan
kills him because for some reason, he's like all sacrifice
even though it's a fight for the king. I'm loasinger here,
like I still want to be kings. It's like he
does that's I love coming. I'll take you both. And
he kills on for no. And then what happens is
he kills Challa to like it's the most it's the
most useless out like sacrifice in the ms you ever made,
Like no kill me too.
Speaker 4: All right, so but apparently that character's name is Zuri.
Speaker 1: Specific character. Okay, but similar they should bring that in
when they recast Shalla after Secret Wars like the Chichalla
the and yeah that because that guy has popped up
in other comic books, so they should bring up that character.
He's he's fun design and everything, so you gotta have
that same design though, big Wig, the white eyes everything,
you know, tats everywhere. So yeah, that's all I got
on this one.
Speaker 5: I like the line from T'Challa what good is strength
if you only use it for yourself? Obviously it's like
a recurring theme in here is him wanting to share
their technology and their knowledge with the rest of the world.
Speaker 4: But I thought that was a good line that kind
of encapsulated that. But I think that was my last note.
Speaker 1: You did remind me of that. I did appreciate that
when the Preyer took off his armor said he's gonna
do the same thing in honor of the fight, like
I got to prove that I'm better than him, and.
Speaker 2: He did stupid.
Speaker 1: Okay, he did kirk go and take the coward's way out,
but then he did get the best of him, which
was so funny when it's like the humiliation hits the
predator again, this poor guy like evades a planet. You know,
I didn't, still loses, but then he like slices to
Chall's line, they run out of there. But I like
that because to me, that fits with who chi'chall is.
He would the same way when we talk about like
in the Black Panther movie when they don't fight with
they take the Black Panther powder out right, they don't
use the armors, just monoy monos. So to me, that
fits like he's a king the prayers, also taking his
armor off. I'm gonna take my armor off. I should
be trained enough to do this, and he was, you know,
because y'all fucking rules. Even though I will say again,
I hope they do this in the movie when they
do reboot. The character always love I'm fine without it,
but I love this. I had the cape, you know,
I always love T'Challa.
Speaker 2: With the cape, so looked awesome.
Speaker 6: I say it and was somewhat joking matter because t'challo
couldn't even take on Eric Kilmonger with no armor a
different universe different Like sure, I guess this is just
painting that this predator is that much of a fucking whimp,
like he got cast it out from his planet.
Speaker 2: You can't even beat a human that's.
Speaker 1: Worse than kill Monger.
Speaker 6: So very very true. But at the same time, I
did appreciate it. It's it's staying true to the character.
But I'll just shake my head. I'm like, funck off,
come on, there's no way here, like with the suit, Okay,
that's a good battle here, but they went traditional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I guess we didn't talk about bout that.
It does set up, which I'm assuming is what the
predder kills the Marvel universe probably is that they got
the vibranium and they come back to maybe take more
of it or whatnot. So we will read that. We'll
get to see because I know I've seen a couple
of stuff there. But yeah, we'll read that when we
read the Aliens Versus Avengers and see what's going on there.
But yeah, I don't know if we gotta get the numbers.
But what's uh, what's everyone, what's your ranking of these
three as far as you.
Speaker 5: Know my ranking, number one, I will go with Wolverine,
uh yep, and then number two for me would be
the Black Panther one number three spider Man.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6: Wolverine, then Spidery, then Black Panther in the last shouldn't
have shed his armor.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm gonna bounce. I'm gonna take it and bounce
back to give you the exact same thing as Dylan did.
I I was close to giving Black Panther number one
because I love the Lord. But I think it's just
there's just some stuff of maybe there's a lot of
retreading of other tropes. I would I do like that
'chilla wants to give back, but there's certain stuff where
it's like, well, we're not gonna deal with all this
stuff and maybe wrong maybe if we read predtor Kills
the Marvel Universe and the Cop and Craven and some
of this stuff comes back there, or even like Falcon, right,
I think Falcon wasn't really needed. So but yeah, I
gonna Wolverine, Black Panther, Spider Man. All liked them to
varying degrees. Like I said, with Spider Man, was just
the you know, idea of the kind of a remaking
of sense. And with Wolverine too, I could have taken
out some of the some of the flashbacks, but overall
very fun and I liked that they all were different.
It was like what you said, Dyl, It wasn't just
Prett versus this kind of stadium was you know, Black
Panther was the lore of the cloaking advice and also
the shield or the staff that it led to other stuff.
Wolverine was very much as the Deadliest Game modeling mono,
and then the the Spider Man was like a classic,
Oh there's something out there?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: So very fun and I'm excited for us to read
the kills the universe next year and also what Aliens
versus Avengers is gonna be. But ta end us off?
What's your ranking here?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, same as you guys. Wolverine number one, Black
Panther number two, Spider Man number three some of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know you slept, you fell asleep in
a second.
Speaker 3: There, Oh no, no, I'm here present. I just think
that the Wolverine one takes the cake. As I already said,
it's my number one. I just love going through the Ages.
I love this rivalry, but just formed between this Predator
and Wolverine and just all the cameos and the other
characters that popped in there was really really entertaining and fun.
And yeah, I think Black Panther they just established so
much predader lore. There's so much going on there that
I really liked it. All of these different comics, even
the Spider Man one, they all had multiple groupings of predators,
which to me, that's what I always want to see
is multiples. That's why I love Alien Versus Preaders so much,
because you get three predators on there, even though it's
super super minor, but you get three of them working together.
And then again in the Predator's movie, you don't get
three original predators, but you get three of the super predators,
the Berserkers, and so I just want more of that.
That's why I'm looking forward to more of these Preader comics,
because you're getting all of these predators, armies of them
all together, which is pretty exciting. I remember something I
wanted to ask earlier though, with the Wakanda the vibranium
that's in there, when when the predators were getting to Earth,
they did a quick scan of the planet to detect
where the vibranium was coming from, and they honed in
on three locations, obviously the one being the biggest one
in Wakonda, but there's two York. I think it was
too New York. There's one other, and I was just
thinking what would be the ping for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because New York crazy bee claw or somebody dealing
vibrating the other one or not not to sure a'sd
be some other bad guy or government official out there
that has some tech they shouldn't, you know. I'm sure
the Black Panther like Loyals, you know, like, oh, it's
in these threelocations, but I don't know if the top of.
Speaker 3: My head, Okay, cool, Okay, Well.
Speaker 1: There you go. We've done it. A Jon, thank you
for coming back and listening this. Hope you enjoy. If
you're not ready to go, ready to read these. I
think they are from we all these recommend them to
some varying degree, and I pross. I don't think there'll
be in a that episode this year for me. Look
on twenty twenty six and yeah, let's know, because I
know some people want us to bring this back. So
it's back for now for a little bit, and uh
yeah those tons of fun. We'll be back in the
future and won't be boring.
Speaker 2: Byebye.