WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.480 All right, what is going on drives on Tuesday afternoon? 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.679 It is about eleven minutes past the hour of two o'clock. 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:08.599 It is cold, it is rainy. 4 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:12.160 Winter is on its way as we are preparing to 5 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:16.280 turn our calendars to November. Happy Tuesday to you, as 6 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.440 it is every single day, it's gonna have you along 7 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:18.920 for the ride. 8 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:21.399 Spence check. It's behind the mic. That young man is. 9 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.640 Porter Larson producing the show today, and as we do 10 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:27.280 every day, we're gonna do a little bit of everything. 11 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:31.079 We're gonna do some Utah football, some college football, some BYU. 12 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:34.960 We'll do a little NFL as the weekend in pro 13 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.000 football came to close last night Monday Night. 14 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:40.119 Football where the Steelers were able to get it done. 15 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:43.159 Moved to six and two now and Russell Wilson is 16 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:44.320 two and oho as a starter. 17 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:46.560 So we'll do a little pro football on the show today. 18 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.280 The Utah Jazz are back in action. 19 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.600 Sacramento is in town to take on the Jazz and 20 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.719 just se gut it for Taylor Hendricks. So we're gonna 21 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.039 talk about that, talk about the injury, what it means 22 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:01.000 for the Jazz, what it means for as far as 23 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:05.280 his continued development. It almost felt like Will Hardy was 24 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:10.319 almost in tears last night during his postgame presser. So 25 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:13.359 a tough, tough piece of news for this young Jazz team. 26 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:16.079 They've lost all three of the games they played so far. 27 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.159 If you listen to our Jazz coverage, our NBA coverage, 28 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.040 you know that I'm fine with that. This is not 29 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:24.959 a group that is built to win anything special right now. 30 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.959 There's not a quick fix available on the market to 31 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:31.280 catapult them to where we all hope that they can 32 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.079 be at some point, and that's getting back to a 33 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:36.560 legitimate contender in the Western Conference at some point. So 34 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:39.799 get to some Jazz stuff, some NBA stuff on the 35 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:43.400 program today as well. There are two teams here locally 36 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:46.680 that appear to be on their way to hopefully something special. 37 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:51.439 BYU Football Top ten team and they're undefeated at eight 38 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:53.519 to no for the second time this year. Both Utah 39 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.200 and by You are on a buy prior to their 40 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.200 a big time matchup coming up here in Salt Lake 41 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:02.920 City on the ninth. It's fifteen, I know, eight to 42 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.879 fifteen first kick, So we're all going to be in 43 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:09.479 that staateium until about one thirty two o'clock am. So 44 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:14.719 BYU playing really really well, RSL is the other team 45 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.280 that is in a position and maybe do something fun. 46 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:19.960 I know fall is mostly football for a lot of you, 47 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:24.960 but fall soccer is very dramatic, it's very entertaining, it's 48 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:25.800 very engaging. 49 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:26.919 And RSL is in. 50 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.759 Action tonight seven o'clock Mountain time, although Apple TV has 51 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.520 the first kick listed at six point fifty pm, So 52 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:36.800 we'll get you ready for the playoffs tonight for a 53 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:37.800 real Salt. 54 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.520 Lake and I kind of preview that game and. 55 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:43.199 Have a good time on this Tuesday good guest list 56 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.520 on a Tuesday afternoon. Richard Smith is live in studio 57 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:51.439 forty years in pro basketball, number of different areas scouting, 58 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:55.319 coaching and such player development. O'bringin Smitty to give give 59 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.000 us an idea of what's next for young Taylor Hendrix, 60 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.919 what's next for the Utah Jazz and McMahon the return 61 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:05.919 of Tim McMahon NBA Daily Says Style. Get Tim's thoughts 62 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.400 on all things Jazz at all Things NBA. Gonna do 63 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:12.840 a little college football with Kevin Reynolds from the Salt 64 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:16.479 Lake Tribune today He's gonna join us. Brian dun Seth, 65 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.680 will Roll by as well. Now we're hoping it's Doney. 66 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.159 Trey's our backup, so we're really hoping it's Donny. Let 67 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:25.400 me repeat that Trey is our backup. So we're really 68 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.840 hoping it's Doney, who I think is on the call tonight. 69 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:29.759 With some Apple TV stuff. 70 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.159 So Donnie'll get us ready for this big time playoff 71 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.120 match tonight in the market for RSLs. 72 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.159 They welcome in Minnesota, So a lot to do. 73 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:41.879 Richard Smith, Tim McMahon, Kevin Reynolds, Brian dun Seth, Me Spence, 74 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:43.800 check ITTs, all of you, the great listeners, and that 75 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:48.919 young man Porter Larson. On a Tuesday afternoon. All right, 76 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.879 so what did the kids say on social media? Some 77 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.599 personal news? Yes, I know, longer cheer for any of 78 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:56.680 my sports teams. 79 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.800 Oh you've got the same. Yeah, personal news. 80 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.680 The Jets have hitched their wagon to an old, weird 81 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:06.680 quarterback who's not good anymore. The Yankees' bats have gone silent, 82 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:10.800 the next look broken. The Cats stuff's not working so far, Calves, 83 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:13.759 get them in the garden. As I've talked about all week, 84 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:16.319 I've never been more wrong about anything as far as 85 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.560 how wrong I've been about Utah football. So I'm too 86 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:21.600 blessed to be stressed. I'm choosing to focus on my 87 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:23.759 blessings today. I'm just not going to cheer for sports 88 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:24.920 sports teams anymore. 89 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:25.120 Wow. 90 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:27.120 Yeah, it's a big step. I know that is a 91 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.160 big step. I know, you know. 92 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.160 I think there's a way back for you. But a 93 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:35.160 break might be a good thing. A break might be 94 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:36.680 a good thing. That's what we'll call it. We'll call 95 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:37.879 it a healthy breakbat. 96 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.560 We'll circle the wagons coming up, and then we'll see 97 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:42.439 what happens after that. 98 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.040 But how's your Tuesday afternoon? Everything good? Tuesday's gone. 99 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:48.720 Well, it's a bit rainy out, it's a bit not 100 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.480 doesn't feel like winter yet, but it's a getting little chilly, 101 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:55.000 so you can tell the seasons are are definitely changing. 102 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.360 Kind of a slow week locally as we we go 103 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.879 as far as football college football goes with the two 104 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.839 bye weeks, but so much other stuff going on, as 105 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.480 you mentioned, NBA Jazz tipoff tip off, RSL. I was 106 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.920 at the hockey game last night, which was a bunch 107 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:15.240 of fun. Maybe hot take oh. 108 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.920 Right out of the gates. I hope it's Trey. I 109 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:19.199 hope it's Trey. You hope it's done it. 110 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:21.959 That's a really, that's a hot and an irresponsible take 111 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:22.680 from you. 112 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:25.399 All right on a Tuesday, so we'll see. Let me 113 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:26.319 repeat one more time. 114 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:29.040 Brian Dunseeth is set to join us, but Tray's our backup, 115 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.920 so let's very much hope that Tunny is available to 116 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.240 get us ready for ourself. All right, let's get into 117 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.279 it on a Tuesday afternoon, sobody, he's gonna be our 118 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:39.000 first guest. But before we get to Richard Smith, courtesy 119 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:43.240 of our good friends at Standard Restaurant Supply, your tailgate 120 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.800 headquarters get everything you need to make your tailgate epic. 121 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.160 Standard Restaurant dot com is where you find them online 122 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.319 and they're conveniently located at thirty five hundred Southwest Temple. 123 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.079 On a Tuesday, Todd Now for your opening tip. 124 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:58.480 Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check it's on Utah's 125 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:02.160 number one Sports talk. Now into the studio of ESPN 126 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.439 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. 127 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:05.959 The opening tip. 128 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.519 Of the Drive is brought to you by Standard Restaurant Supply, 129 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.800 your one stop shop to build the best tailgate in town. 130 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:16.240 Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred Southwest Temple. 131 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.600 So for the second straight well not second straight, but 132 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.399 for the second time this year, both Utah and BYU 133 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:28.360 football are on buys. But obviously both these programs in 134 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:32.199 a very different spot as we sit here on this Tuesday, 135 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.920 heading in very different directions. So look, we'll get into 136 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:39.560 it here. Klani Kalanie Satake did some media yesterday, no 137 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.519 media for coach Wit. He does not do media when there's. 138 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:42.920 A bye week. 139 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.160 But I thought Kilani handled it very well, talked about 140 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.759 how fun it is for these two programs to be reunited. 141 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.240 Of course, there is a lot of love between these 142 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:58.399 two coaching staffs because there's deep friendship that is as 143 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:02.319 a result of working to get other long hours. You know, 144 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.000 ultimately these guys and I heard OC talking about this earlier, 145 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.480 you know, the lifestyle of a college coach, and quite frankly, 146 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.399 any coach on any level. I think it's probably a 147 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:16.680 little bit misunderstood by some folk who think it's probably 148 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.279 a lot easier than it actually is. And when you 149 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.120 go to battle with each other, and you're on recruiting 150 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:25.199 trips with each other, and you spend like during the season, 151 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.079 these guys spend way more time together than they do 152 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.120 with their families, and the reality of college football now 153 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.480 with transfer portal NIL, constant recruiting all year long is 154 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:36.720 even the offseason is probably a bit more busier than 155 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.000 it was once upon a time, and several dynamics have 156 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:42.160 come into play. Like I do think there was a 157 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:45.519 little bit of an unnecessary sound the alarm fever pitch 158 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:48.480 when Saban you know, retired and a couple of other 159 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:52.319 college coaches decided to try their hand doing some other things. 160 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:54.199 Tony Bennett stepped down. 161 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:57.199 Just a couple of weeks before the college basketball season started. 162 00:07:57.680 --> 00:07:59.399 I don't know that we're we are going to see 163 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:03.240 a mass x it is, but whenever a big time 164 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:06.519 coach decides that due to the current climate of what 165 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.199 it's like to try to build a program with a 166 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.639 modern day and age of college football, it does make 167 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.839 me think about Kyle and whether or not. And Kyle 168 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:19.560 has always been very front facing and direct about, you know, 169 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:23.279 wanting to adapt to the new reality of college football 170 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.759 and doing the best they can to adapt to what 171 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:29.360 the transfer portal brings and what NIL means. And I 172 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:31.639 think it's probably fair to say that the Utah football 173 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:32.399 results ever. 174 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:34.120 Since this thing became a reality. 175 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:37.559 Have been mixed at best, right, and you know, I'm 176 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.840 not ready to look ahead to the offseason, but ultimately 177 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:43.639 I do wonder what it's going to look like if 178 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:47.320 this thing continues to go south as it has over 179 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.039 the past four games, and south in a way that 180 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:53.840 has been dramatic, that has been surprising and quite frankly 181 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:58.320 shocking and stunning. Four straight els hasn't happened since twenty seventeen. 182 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:00.679 It's only happened four times in twenty years of coach 183 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:04.360 Wit And how much of the lack of results have 184 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:07.639 to do with the program's inability to adapt. I don't 185 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:09.639 know the answer to that. I'm honestly just thinking out 186 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.120 loud because there is part of me that feels like 187 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:16.279 we can still be extremely reductive and talk about the 188 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.080 lack of health thunder Center as the main impetus for 189 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.320 what I perceived to be a very disappointing year. Now, 190 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.200 as we've talked about on the show, and we'll continue 191 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.679 to talk about a week, it's not just quarterback play, 192 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.200 but it feels like that is the biggest deal by far, 193 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.480 whether it's Cameron's health or for the second straight season, 194 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.879 the program not being prepared adequately for the contingency they 195 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.879 had in play should Cameron go down. I think early on, 196 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.440 after the trip to Stillwater, Okay State that win, we 197 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:47.240 felt like, Okay, Isaac certainly looks better than Rice and 198 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.039 or Nate did last year. And you know, last year, 199 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.320 obviously it wasn't as Cam, it was Brandon Rose two 200 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.919 got hurt. But as time has gone on and we 201 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.320 realize Oklahoma State is a sieve. They're probably the worst 202 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:01.159 team at a conference. You know, ultimately, the performance under center, 203 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:03.679 no matter who it's been, has not been good enough. 204 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.399 I thought it was interesting to hear Scott Mitchell on 205 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.600 the show yesterday say that he would ride with Brandon 206 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.120 and he felt like Brandon looked better than Isaac in 207 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.360 a small, truncated space. You know, obviously, Brandon threw the 208 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:17.840 pick that gave Houston the field position that ultimately led 209 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:18.960 to the game winning field goal. 210 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.000 And I think it's fair to say. 211 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.279 And you don't blame the kid because last year he 212 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:26.120 was trying to throw touchdowns against Skyridge and less than 213 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.000 a year later he's asked to figure out Big twelve defenses. 214 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.159 Eighteen years old, enrolled in April, I have a hard 215 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.600 time putting any of this on Isaac, I do think, 216 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:36.840 so I gotta. 217 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:37.159 Be careful here. 218 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.759 The way I would characterize it is, I think for 219 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.120 the most part, the kids up there playing football have 220 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.279 been let down by the grown ups in the room. 221 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.759 Whether it was the handling of cam situation, which once 222 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.480 again going back and forth, whether you know it was 223 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.879 ultimately making the right calls when it came to who 224 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:56.639 was going to back him up, and then making sure 225 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.320 that Isaac was set up to succeed. Of course, Andy 226 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.559 has stepped aside Mike Pajakian in and as I said 227 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:04.919 last week, I just was very skeptical that Mike was 228 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:07.679 going to be able to find anything in an Andy 229 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.960 Ludwiggins tall the offense that Andy couldn't find himself. I 230 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.440 understand the cliches of new voice, new energy, new eyes, Okay, 231 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:18.440 but this isn't pro football. You can't go make a 232 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.360 bunch of trades. If you need a left tackle, a 233 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.399 running back or a wide receiver. It's the same positional group, 234 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:28.200 it's the same system, it's the same offensive you know modality, 235 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.799 you know ethos and such, and what will it look 236 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:36.399 like against Brigham Young? Because ultimately your season has come 237 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.600 down to playing spoiler if you're a ute fan, and 238 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.759 that is a bad commentary on where you're at as 239 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:44.799 a program. You do not want to be the plucky 240 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:49.000 little school that might upset BYU season, that might knock 241 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.559 off Iowa State and make sure they're not undefeated. Like 242 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.320 that's not what you want to have left to play for. 243 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.480 But honestly, that's kind of all it is. So the 244 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.559 other thing that Scott was talking about yesterday, and I've 245 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.600 heard this from more than a few different people, is ultimately, 246 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:08.360 you know, as both programs, but certainly University of Utah 247 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:13.759 expanding their recruiting footprint to try to grab players that 248 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.519 aren't necessarily only in our backyard. 249 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.159 I mean, you can just go down the list. 250 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.600 We've got California, Washington, We've got Texas, a bunch of Florida, 251 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:27.200 a bunch of California, Montreal, Canada, David Alford from Montreal, 252 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:33.559 and I could keep going Mesa, Arizona, Atlanta, Georgia, Cohuckoo, Hawaii, Tampa, Florida. 253 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.039 You know, and as a result of the majority, when 254 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.559 you look at the roster of these players being from 255 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:44.360 out of state, do they really understand what Utah BYU 256 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:49.720 football means if you didn't grow up with it, and honestly, 257 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.080 if you didn't grow up here, you may not have 258 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:55.799 had access to it, and you don't really understand exactly 259 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:57.240 what it means to people around here. 260 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:57.519 Right. 261 00:12:58.440 --> 00:12:59.759 I think by is a little different. 262 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:01.919 They have a lot more of the local flavor, but 263 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:06.159 they've expanded their footprint as well. So what I would 264 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.720 say in the off chance that college kids are listening 265 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.200 to sports soccer radio, this game means a lot to 266 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.320 a lot of people, and you, honestly can change the 267 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:19.519 sentiment around your program with a dominant win over your rival. 268 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.360 And as an individual, I mean, there's a reason why 269 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.559 we remember the block field goal, Brandon's blockfield goal. You know, 270 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:29.000 Brett Ratliff is still a name that we talk about 271 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:33.000 around here. Scott Mitchell who pulled off a remarkable win 272 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.440 over Brigham Young when nobody thought they could do that. 273 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.720 Eddie Johnson back in the day, I could keep going. 274 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:42.480 If you have a big time performance against Brigham Young 275 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:45.320 and football, you're remembered here in a much different way, 276 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:49.320 even if you're playing for a team that let's face it, 277 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:51.840 let's be honest, no matter what happens the rest. 278 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:52.000 Of the way. 279 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:55.559 Whenever we look back at Utah football twenty twenty four, 280 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.279 we will wonder what could have been same thing with 281 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.000 the team last year. But even if you're playing for 282 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.279 a team that has been disappointing by any measurable metric, 283 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:10.200 you go, you go, you know, blow the brakes off 284 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.879 of Brigham Young, you go blow their doors off. It 285 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.639 will change the way that people in this community view 286 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.000 you moving forward and forever. That's how much this game 287 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:21.960 means to a lot of people. And I do understand 288 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:23.600 that if you didn't grow up here doesn't carry the 289 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:26.440 same weight. And ultimately, as I referenced earlier, if you 290 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:29.720 listen to Kilonie's the takes media availability yesterday, all he 291 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.159 talked about is how much love and admiration or respect 292 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.080 he has for Kyle. And we know Kyle feels the 293 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.240 same about Kilanie. And it's a rod, it's Jay Hill. 294 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.600 I mean, there is so many cross pollination relationships between 295 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:43.960 the coaching staffs, like the venom that exit first of all, 296 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:45.879 the venom that exists online. I don't give a rip 297 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.039 about if you guys want to go argue about big 298 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.120 brother or little brother on the Internet, go ahead and 299 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.440 do your thing, and certainly some of the venom spills 300 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.759 from you know, online banter to certain situations that probably 301 00:14:58.759 --> 00:14:59.279 aren't great. 302 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:01.360 I haven't seen a ton of that, and I've been. 303 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:05.600 To both Leavel and Rice Cycles for BYU Utah. You 304 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.279 do see some of it, and then you do hear 305 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.639 a lot of rumors. You know that seemed like every 306 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.120 time BYU was here, somebody would have beer poured on them. 307 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:15.200 It's like, well, okay, probably not because they don't sell 308 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.279 beer at Rice Cycle Stadium, and if you're sneaking something in, 309 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.279 it's not going to be beer. So I don't know 310 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.000 what you thought it was, it probably wasn't you hear 311 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:25.399 some of those rumors. There are snapshot moments of Bronco 312 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.399 Mennenhaal going face to face with a ute fan in suspenders, 313 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.000 which was an odd look. The rumors about what happened 314 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.240 to coach WIT's wife by some BYU fans. 315 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:34.360 I mean, stuff like that. 316 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.960 Does spill over, but ultimately there's a lot of love 317 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.360 and respect between the coaching staffs. I don't know how 318 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:44.480 much of the player you know relationships are there anymore 319 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.759 because of both of these programs, expanding their recruiting footprint, 320 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.159 So how many natural synergies and rivalries are there between 321 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:53.559 the players can't really speak to that. Most of the 322 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.399 bad behavior comes from people online or fans for both programs. 323 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.440 But there is an opportunity still for Utah football to 324 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.519 change the sentiment around this football team, and it comes 325 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.159 in eleven days if b WHATU comes up here. 326 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:08.879 By the way, the line has been released. 327 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:12.440 According to USA Today sportsbook, BYU is a four point 328 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.399 five point favorite, and you can get other lines like 329 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.279 right now looks like on fan duel, BYU's a three 330 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.000 point five point favorite. So the line is kind of 331 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.080 oscillating a little bit in that area. But BYU is 332 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.519 the favorite every sports book. They're a top ten team, 333 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.600 they're undefeated. They come up here to Salt Lake and 334 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.000 Utah Football sends them back down a provo with the 335 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.639 dominant l and Brandon or Isaac have a great game 336 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.440 of kai Bernard goes for one hundred and fifty and 337 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:39.840 a couple of touchdowns. You instantly change the way you're 338 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.200 viewed in this community. That's how much this game means. 339 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:45.399 And even if you didn't grow up here, you probably 340 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.279 should get familiar because at this point, there's not a 341 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:50.879 lot of great sentiments surrounding Utah football. But you can 342 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:54.440 change that by being great for one day and that 343 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.919 comes your way. 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Nobody better in the world 365 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.000 as basketball with Smitty Liven Studio. 366 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:04.640 Tim McMahon's gonna roll by today. 367 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:08.799 NBA Daily Assist style back to college football, Kevin Reynolds, Uh, 368 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.200 Sam Bruckhouse will stop buying to do some NFL. Then 369 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.559 we'll get you ready for a big RSL match tonight. 370 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:15.359 As the playoffs are here. 371 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.880 Fall soccer is here, so we're gonna bring in Brian 372 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:21.319 Dunsath coming up a little bit. But my guy, Richard 373 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:25.759 Smith on a Tuesday, even though it's a Tuesday, I 374 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.240 had a lovely weekend in Park City at a wedding. 375 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:30.759 It's a good time. Saw some old friends hadn't seen 376 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:32.720 it quite some time. What uh, what kept you busy 377 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:34.599 this weekend, Smitty see Spence. 378 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:38.400 We we had divergent weekends going on. I actually went 379 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.559 to uh La uh to to see an old friend 380 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.559 of ours, an old NBA colleague of ours down in 381 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:47.880 La and I got to uh I got to take 382 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:50.599 a moment out of the visit with him to go 383 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:56.039 to Game two Saturday night, and right here live on 384 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:59.559 the radio that people can't see, I'm presenting Spence with 385 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.240 his own special World Series ball. 386 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.920 What oh wow, vide Are you serious? 387 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.720 Because because that's the kind of guy I am. 388 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:08.720 You are a good guy. 389 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:09.480 See that. 390 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:11.640 I appreciate this. 391 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.519 How about that? We found that? And I said, you 392 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:16.480 got to be kidding me. I said, I know exactly 393 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:20.920 who would appreciate something like this with an Otanian judge 394 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:22.880 pictures on the ball. 395 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:26.400 I had a decent curve back in the day, back 396 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:27.119 a little curve. 397 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:29.880 See that that that goes with the line Spence. You know, 398 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.599 the older I get, the better I was. 399 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.200 Oh for sure. Yeah, I'm learning that now in my forties. 400 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:37.759 And I should probably watch him tape to remind me 401 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:38.920 of exactly who I was. 402 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:42.000 Hey, Hey, to your left, I put a little holder there. 403 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.640 Oh sweet, the little thing you put the you put 404 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.160 the ball on, and uh, thank you, bow to it 405 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:48.319 every time you walk by. 406 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:49.680 So here's the real question. 407 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:54.319 Twenty year anniversary of the greatest comeback in sports history 408 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.000 that I know, Can my Yanks get a little bosox 409 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:58.720 magic can try to come back to the trio. 410 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:01.799 Well, anybody who who remembers that, you know, back in 411 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.359 four between the Red Sox and the Yankees and the 412 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:08.440 A l c S. The year before, it was Aaron 413 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:13.880 Boone who had the walk off home running, I know 414 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:19.960 this is a family show it and and uh and 415 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:22.599 that and that was off Tim Wakefield, the great Red 416 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.359 Sox pitcher, rest in peace, and and uh. And then 417 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:29.480 the next year they're playing again in the ALCS and 418 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.480 the Red Sox were down the ninth inning, down a run, 419 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.400 and uh, the greatest reliever in history is on the 420 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.440 mound for the Yankees. It's all over. This is this 421 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:40.480 is a four game sweep. You gotta be kidding me. 422 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:44.480 And and then Kevin Millar, who has made a living 423 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:49.599 since then off his rant before the game, walking around 424 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:51.960 anybody who would listen, and they got him on camera 425 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.000 right saying saying, don't let us don't let us wind night, 426 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.799 let us win tonight, because then we got p D tomorrow, 427 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.240 and then we got ship in game six, and then 428 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.920 anything can happen in game seven, so they better not 429 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.039 let us win tonight. And then he's the one who 430 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:09.240 drew the walk in the bottom of the ninth and 431 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:11.960 Dave Roberts came in and ran for him and stole 432 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:15.559 second and blah blah blah. So yeah, the Yankees could 433 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:17.759 do something, you know, and they're at home right just 434 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.519 like the Red Sox were, so they have a chance 435 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:22.640 to do something and you know, maybe try and claw 436 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.119 their way back in. But tell you what, the Dodgers 437 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:28.880 seemed to be just in one of those grooves that 438 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.119 you can get in in any kind of a playoff 439 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.400 series in any sport, where all of a sudden you 440 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:37.880 can't plan it, and you can't you can't map it out, 441 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.400 but all of a sudden, things just start falling your way, 442 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.680 one thing after another, and it starts snowballing, you know, 443 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:49.079 to wit the Freddy Freeman, I don't know, is he 444 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:51.119 gonna play? Is he not gonna play? He's got a 445 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:54.400 bum ankle, I don't know. Oh, home run, home run, 446 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:57.279 home run. Like you know, that's the kind of stuff 447 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.279 that you can't plan for and you can't make it up, 448 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.519 and that you're just in the middle of right now 449 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:05.160 for the Yankees and the Dodgers. 450 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:08.599 So it's funny because as I'm watching the playoffs, I 451 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:14.720 felt like the Yankees had a far superior roster as 452 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.400 they were making their way through, and now I feel 453 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.480 the same way about the Dodgers juxtaposed to the Yankee lineup, 454 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:23.559 Like there's no oxygen, there's no break for the Yankee 455 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.559 pitchers because even some of their you know, the batters 456 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.480 at the end of the lineup, one just won the 457 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.480 MVP of the Conference champion, like when they won the Pennant. 458 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:35.599 Right, Yeah, so I thought. 459 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:39.160 The Yankees had a better starting pitching, but clearly the 460 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.599 Dodgers top to bottom, have a much better lineup and 461 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:43.119 all the momentums on their side. 462 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.279 I do think the Yankees have better pitching. They are 463 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:50.480 lined up better too, but again, look, it's one swing 464 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:52.799 in Game one right there. The Yankees are a pitch 465 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:55.599 away from winning Game one, and the series will still 466 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:59.599 have a different tone if Freeman doesn't connect on that 467 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:02.920 and and uh and but that that's what happens in 468 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:08.240 the series, right, one play, one one swing, one missed 469 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.599 ground ball, you know, one error here? I mean, how 470 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:13.319 about the two plays at the plate? 471 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:17.279 Yeah, last night, like chi Oscar, that throw was right on, 472 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.039 but like how close with both of those? 473 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.400 I mean they were, it was it was an inch 474 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.039 or two, Like you can't tell in a replay the 475 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:27.920 guy was safer out. I mean, it's it's both of 476 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:31.880 those and and but that's what makes baseball, uh, you know, 477 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:33.640 so exciting, especially this time of year. 478 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.799 You know, Yeah, Otani's banged up and they like don't 479 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:37.160 need them. 480 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.839 It's ridiculous. Yeah that's right, all right, Smitty. 481 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.880 Uh, fun night last night with so many things going on, 482 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:47.799 So flipping back and forth between Monday Night Football World Series, 483 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:51.759 Utah Hockey Club and then I get a text saying, 484 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.799 did you see what just happened to Taylor? So I 485 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.599 switch over in time for the replay, which I did 486 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:00.920 not need to see. I don't like, like the Kevin 487 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.720 ware Kid, the Louisville injury back in March madness. 488 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:04.400 You know what I thought of? 489 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:09.240 I thought of Joe Daisen, Joe Thaisman, Paul George, Gordon Hayward, 490 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.759 right like, whenever these things happen, I don't enjoy watching it. 491 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:16.839 So Taylor Hendrix, who, according to people that I talked 492 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:20.440 to over there, worked his tail off all summer, you know, 493 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:23.000 got his body in better shape. He looked bigger, he 494 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.200 looked stronger, was off to a pretty solid start to 495 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.799 the season, some good defensive minutes on John Morant opening night. 496 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:31.799 He played Luca pretty well last night in a couple 497 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:36.000 of occasions as well. As you referenced, I don't know 498 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:37.839 that Taylor is ever going to be a guy that's 499 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:39.680 going to drop forty on you. I'm not sure he's 500 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.319 ever gonna be like a twenty point a night guy. 501 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.279 I don't think he has to because of his measurables, 502 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:47.960 his ability to guard, rebound, and also finish at the rim. 503 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.680 But what does this mean now? As far as the 504 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:54.480 what's next for Taylor? As Will mentioned last night, the 505 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.039 development obviously is on hold. It sucks, it really does. 506 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.119 But your thoughts on young Taylor Hendrix probably being out 507 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:01.599 for the year. 508 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:05.720 Now, Yeah, it's devastating injury and the the freakish part 509 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.720 about it spendses all these injuries that you see that happened, 510 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.759 whether it's football, whether it's on an NBA court, someone 511 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.359 and you know, sliding into a base in baseball and 512 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:20.519 jamming their leg whatever it is. This thing happened right 513 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:24.559 in plain view of everybody, with nobody around him. He 514 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:27.839 was just running down the court and went to stop 515 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.079 and his leg just completely gave out on him, just 516 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:37.839 a freak accident. He'll rehab, he'll get back. 517 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:38.440 Uh. 518 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:44.200 The Jazz I think will be super ultra conservative in 519 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.480 his rehab. It's not like they need him back for 520 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:51.240 any kind of a playoff push in the spring. It's 521 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:54.680 not like they're depending on him, uh to to come 522 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.680 and save the day in terms of their season or 523 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:02.440 what they their plans are currently with this, with this roster. 524 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:06.000 So they're gonna let him do the rehab he needs to. 525 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:09.480 They're gonna rely on the doctors who are involved. They're 526 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.759 gonna set the path. They're gonna set the schedule of 527 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:16.920 what he has to do, surgery wise, rehab wise, getting 528 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:21.680 back to the playing condition, ultimately, all that stuff. They're 529 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:24.400 not gonna rush it. They want to make sure he's okay. 530 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:27.359 He's only twenty years old, s Bence, so they they 531 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:31.039 realize he's got his full career ahead of him. So 532 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.400 they're gonna do everything they can to make sure that 533 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:38.640 he's okay physically, that he's okay emotionally, which is a 534 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.160 big part that a lot of people don't take into 535 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.160 account with these things. He's a young guy who's never 536 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:48.240 been hurt before. Now he has a devastating injury early 537 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:53.400 on in his professional career that in your mind you 538 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.240 can't help but start thinking, oh, am I, Am I 539 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.200 ever gonna be as good as I thought I could be, 540 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.799 or as I even was at the moment that this happened. 541 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.440 Is this gonna set me back somehow? Is this gonna be? 542 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.079 Am I only gonna be eighty percent of what I 543 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.880 was before this happened? Am I gonna get back to 544 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:16.960 being better two years from now? All those things play 545 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:20.039 in your mind as a young man, And so that 546 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.279 that'll be one of the things that their staff with 547 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:29.960 Ron Kimmins, who's their their psychological player rep with within 548 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.640 the group, he's gonna try and help him on the 549 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.319 mental side to make sure that he's okay during the 550 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.680 rehab process. And and look, Spets, just because he can't 551 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.480 play doesn't mean he won't be working on his body. 552 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.160 He'll be working on his upper body. He'll be working 553 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.640 on that kind of conditioning that'll give him time to 554 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.599 to add a little bit more weight, to add some 555 00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.200 more strength, and to do some of those kinds of 556 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.279 things to along with his rehab of his leg to 557 00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.079 make sure that he's he's okay whether that's twelve months 558 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.720 from now or fifteen months from now, whatever it is, 559 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.240 and try and get him back on the floor when 560 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:09.480 it makes sense for him and when it makes sense 561 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:10.359 for the organization. 562 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:13.319 And excuse me, I don't want to be over dramatic here, 563 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.799 so I don't want to jump to any conclusions. But 564 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.519 this is not a sprained ankle, This is not a 565 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.759 jammed risk. This is a serious injury. Yes, and Taylor's 566 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:24.640 a really, really good athlete, so he relies on his 567 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.440 verticality and his speed side decide if he's ever going 568 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.519 to be an elite defender. He's got to move laterally. 569 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.559 So look the fact that and you know, the staff 570 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.240 down there obviously a great reputation for caring for their players, 571 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.279 and the fact that he's twenty is a good sign 572 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.160 for long term recovery. But this is an injury like 573 00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.279 Marquise Chris had it and that essentially kind of knocked 574 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.599 him out of the league. Like we have seen, this 575 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.759 injury essentially change the scope of careers for players. So 576 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.640 give me your thoughts on Jazz fans, the hope that 577 00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.559 we do see Taylor back at peak potential at some point, Well. 578 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:06.440 He's gonna everybody's every individual is different. They all heal differently. Uh. 579 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:10.920 They all approach it supposedly the same way. Some guys, 580 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.599 you know, cheat a little bit left and right depending 581 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.039 on what they're supposed to do along in the process. 582 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.680 Some guys are more patient than others. 583 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:20.400 Uh. 584 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:26.039 Some guys adhere to the strict rules of what they're 585 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:29.839 they're supposed to be doing along the way. A lot 586 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.640 of it is gonna be on how he approaches it. 587 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.839 And and again Spence, not just the physical part, but 588 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.119 the mental part of of how he how he thinks 589 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.759 about the process, how he goes about it, the people 590 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:48.599 around him, how they're coaching him to handle it on 591 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.759 both the physical and the and the mental side of it. 592 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.039 And and then then you just have to wait and 593 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.720 see how he comes out. You know, some guys get healthy. 594 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:00.000 Uh. 595 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:02.960 The doctors say you're ready to go, you're you're all mended, 596 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:05.839 you're good, you're good, And the guy just has a 597 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:10.160 mental block about doing something because they're afraid it's gonna 598 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.839 happen again. And and that's that's that's a big thing, 599 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.440 especially at the pro level. And so that's gonna be 600 00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:20.039 part of it for him. Is a maturing process as 601 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.880 he is a young man, not only dealing with the 602 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.519 injury and the rehab part of it, but as he 603 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.920 comes back, how can he get his frame of mind 604 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.160 back to where it needs to be to be able 605 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:36.319 to at some point compete at the highest level in 606 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.400 this sport. That that's gonna be the thing that's gonna 607 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.079 be for him, and and that's gonna be something that's 608 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:43.079 gonna take patience. 609 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.039 One more thing on this then we'll move on. 610 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.240 You know, we were very spoiled by two of the 611 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.279 greatest iron men in NBA history when the Jazz were 612 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.799 at their apex with John carl And I'm wondering if 613 00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.319 you could provide some insight because I was in I 614 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.640 intentionally went back to watch Will last night and then 615 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.920 interviews of the players Keyontay and Walker. It sounded I 616 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:09.799 couldn't see it. I was only listening. It sounded like 617 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.480 they were crying. And if you go back and watch Will, 618 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.799 he was holding back emotion. So as far as the uh, 619 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.359 you know, the the effect that it has on his teammates, 620 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.319 as Kiante said, his brothers who he works shoulder by shoulder, 621 00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.119 and and the effect that it could have kind of 622 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.839 on the rest of the group, what's the best way 623 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:29.720 to kind of try to traverse that space. 624 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.480 Well, again, that that's going to be a group effort 625 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:37.440 and and UH, their their mental preparation UH is going 626 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.599 to be key, how they communicate with each other, how 627 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:46.039 the staff works through that with them. It's not just Taylor, 628 00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.799 of course, you know that that's a whole separate thing 629 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.640 that that that they'll be dealing with with him and 630 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.200 and giving him the priority of their of their efforts 631 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.200 and their their knowledge. But at the same time, you've 632 00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.359 got a whole group of guys who witness step and 633 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.480 they're now thinking in the back of their minds, oh 634 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.119 am i the next guy, Am I gonna is something 635 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:12.119 weird gonna happen to me? And so the fragility of 636 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:16.160 the group, the mindset of of how they approach their 637 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:21.599 their task is UH is always interesting because you really 638 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:26.079 need everybody focused together, but you need people around you, 639 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:30.640 whether it's coaches, whether it's the support staff to be 640 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.200 able to help in terms of coaching them through the 641 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.240 mental part of being able to deal with it. Not 642 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.359 just that Taylor's not here, He's not with us, where 643 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.559 we we can't count on him to help us. Now, 644 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.559 we've got to be able to move forward with our group, 645 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.680 but we also have to do so in a way 646 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.640 that that where we can perform the way that we 647 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.319 uh that we want to, and sometimes the mental part 648 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.119 holds you back, And so that's gonna be it's gonna 649 00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.799 be interesting to see how they respond as a group. Look, 650 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.119 when you're in the middle of the game, guys are playing, 651 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.799 Guys aren't thinking about that stuff. But all the stuff 652 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.400 outside of the game, when you're on the road, you're 653 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.680 in you're a hotel room by yourself, and you're sitting 654 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.279 in the locker room before practice or after a game 655 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.279 or whatever. Those are the times when your mind can 656 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.160 kind of wander to those things, and you have to 657 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.000 have the people around you as a group to support you, 658 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.160 to make sure that you're all working on the same 659 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.799 level and all working in the same direction, to try 660 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.680 and get everybody together on the same page. 661 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.160 So rotationally, what this does is really opened up about 662 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.000 thirty minutes a night. So Taylor played twenty nine against 663 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:51.119 the Grizzlies. Against the Warriors, he played twenty five, and 664 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.200 then last night twenty one, but then he left the game. 665 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.519 So about twenty seven to twenty eight minutes a night, 666 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.200 probably it opens up. So if we go off of 667 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:02.359 what they've been saying, it development youth, you know, we 668 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.440 want to learn what we have with the young players. 669 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.440 And would you look at what will has at his disposal. 670 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.960 He could bring in John Collins and that would be 671 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.599 a pretty big front court with Walker, John and Lowry. 672 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.719 He could bring in Bryce, bry Senseiba. We could see 673 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.000 a little bit more of Cody Cody Williams, and maybe 674 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:21.960 even a little bit more of Kyle Philipowski. So with 675 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.440 about you know, twenty seven twenty eight minutes now open up. 676 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:27.159 What do you think rotationally we see. 677 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.199 Yeah, well you just named all the options are going 678 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.039 to have and I think it's probably going to be 679 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.760 a rotating door depending on the matchups from night to night. 680 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:39.039 The teams are playing who the who the opponent is, 681 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:45.199 you know, they could go smallish with Sensible as a three. 682 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.039 They could go bigger with Philipowski, you know, and move 683 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.079 him and marking in around, depending on again, on who 684 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.840 they're playing on any given night, like for example, tonight 685 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:59.880 they're playing the Sacramento Kings, who have a set growth, 686 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.440 a set lineup. They have of starting five who are 687 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:05.840 here early in the season. It's only been a handful 688 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:10.440 of games, but they're they're guys are playing thirty four 689 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.280 thirty six minutes a night, so they're they got a 690 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:17.039 regular group that's playing and a group that's set to 691 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.000 try and win this year, to try and get something 692 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.239 accomplished for them. So they're a group that's that's gonna 693 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:26.280 come in, you know, with their own agenda. So every night, 694 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.400 the Jazz are gonna be facing a different team that 695 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.719 has a different approach based on where they're at uh 696 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:39.559 in their team development situation, whether they're competing for playoffs, 697 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:42.480 whether they're competing for a championship, whether they're just trying 698 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:46.000 to get in the playoffs, whether a developmental team like 699 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.880 the Jazz are, say like Portland is or something like that. 700 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.400 So it's gonna it's gonna be a rotating door. I 701 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.480 think it's gonna be something where they're gonna be giving 702 00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:01.280 different guys different looks with different groups on floor and 703 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.679 to see who works well with each other. I don't 704 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.159 think it changes a lot spence in terms of the 705 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.719 approach they're going to take as the season goes along. 706 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.599 In terms of rotation, I think they're just going to 707 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.280 be trying to find out who we got, who plays 708 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.280 well with who what makes sense on any given night. 709 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.159 And it may be different guys. It may be sensible 710 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.840 could play one night as a starter and play thirty 711 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:29.880 two minutes because he because he gets on a little 712 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.400 bit of a role, and then two nights later he 713 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.079 doesn't even get in the game because the matchup isn't 714 00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.280 right and they're trying to, you know, take a look 715 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.639 at somebody else, and so, uh, that's what you're gonna see. 716 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.559 That That's I don't think a lot of that changes 717 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.239 for what the Jazz Is overall approach going into this 718 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:48.480 season was going to be. 719 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.880 So let's let's talk about some of the individual players 720 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:54.599 we've seen so far and your thoughts. And I want 721 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:56.639 to start with Keante, but I want to start with 722 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.679 a question at at what point? 723 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:00.159 Because I I offer. 724 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.320 Time say like when it comes to summer League, don't 725 00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.599 worry about mak er miss. When it comes to rookies, 726 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.360 not many of them are going to shoot a very 727 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.320 high percentage. But at what point do we worry about 728 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.679 maker miss? With Kyante? 729 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.679 Because here are his college stats at Baylor, he played 730 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:16.400 thirty three. 731 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:20.280 Games, he shot thirty seven percent from the floor and 732 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:21.920 thirty three percent from three. 733 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:22.400 Okay. 734 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.880 So then we move over to his rookie year with 735 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.360 the Jazz, he shot thirty nine percent from the floor 736 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.280 in thirty three percent from three. And now we look 737 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.639 at what we've seen as far as this start goes, 738 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.599 and Kyante right now is twenty seven percent from the floor, 739 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:41.519 twenty three percent from three. So college rookie start to 740 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:46.400 second year, the maker miss numbers, we can't ignore them. Like, 741 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.880 at this point he has shown that he is a 742 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.559 lead guard that can't shoot the basketball. I mean, I 743 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:53.800 don't know how else to say it, Like, at what 744 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.159 point does that become a concern. 745 00:37:55.760 --> 00:38:00.199 Well, it's a concern the whole time. I mean, but 746 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.519 let's look at it this way. He in another another 747 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.480 ten days or so, he turns twenty one years old, Okay. 748 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.480 So he's a young guy. Played one year of college, 749 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.920 played one year professional last year. Now he's starting his 750 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.480 second year. You know, the thing with him with the Jazz, 751 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.760 from my perspective, is that they're still trying to figure 752 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.760 out whether he's a point guard or whether he's a 753 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:29.199 scoring two guard. And I think, you know, based on 754 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:33.000 what he's done so far. For me, I think he's 755 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.119 gonna be He's gonna be best served long term in 756 00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:40.639 his career being utilized as a as a Jordan Clarkson 757 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.880 type or a Lou Williams type who's a smallish scoring 758 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.199 guard who's a volume shooter. He's I don't know if 759 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:54.199 he's ever gonna be a great shooter, but he can be. 760 00:38:54.360 --> 00:39:00.400 I mean, look, he he I think his shots election 761 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.960 needs to improve, and that's not anything different than any 762 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.599 young guy who's trying to feel his way. I think 763 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.800 the thing with him for me is that at the moment, 764 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.000 he's trying to figure out how to be a point 765 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.159 guard and he's trying to also figure out how to 766 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.280 score at the NBA level. And one thing is hard 767 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.960 enough to do on its own, but trying to do 768 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.000 both those things at the same time and to be 769 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.559 relied upon and to have the spotlight on you in 770 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.760 that regard is puts another layer to it. So I 771 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.320 think the Jazz at some point they have to figure 772 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:42.480 out is he going to be a point guard? Do 773 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:44.599 we think he's good enough to do that? And if 774 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.119 he is, then we need to work with him on 775 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.639 being better with the ball and not trying to score 776 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.199 as much, or are we just going to let him 777 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.159 loose to do the Jordan Clarkson type thing. I think 778 00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:00.519 that's what's gonna happen, you know, as his as his 779 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.639 season this year unfold. 780 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.519 We'll catch a quick break, one more big segment with 781 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.719 Smitty coming up on the other side. I want to 782 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.039 tell you about my friends at Clearwater Distilling. 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All right, Morris Smiddy 803 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:11.280 coming up next right here on ESPN seven hundred. 804 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.320 Want to listen to Utah's number one sports talk from home? 805 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:18.360 Just simply say Hey Alexa, play ESPN seven hundred or 806 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:22.480 Hey Google, play ESPN seven hundred and get Utah's best 807 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.880 sports talk Utah football and basketball all on your smart 808 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.519 speaker at home, Stay connected at home, or i'ma go 809 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.719 with Utah's number one sports Talk ESPN seven hundred. 810 00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:35.880 We have the triumphant return of one Tim McMahon of 811 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.559 the program today. Dan McMahon will drop your NBA Daily 812 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.880 Assist coming up in about we'll call that like thirty 813 00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.719 minutes from right now. Then we have Kevin Reynolds from 814 00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:49.400 the Trib covers by U Undefeated. Sam. I'm going to 815 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:51.920 go ahead and go with Bruckhouse. I believe that's what 816 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.400 it is. He's been on the show before, so I 817 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.599 need to learn his name before he hops on do 818 00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.559 a little NFL. Then we're gonna bring Donnie for some soccer. 819 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.760 Azars welcomes in Minnesota. Have you ever been to an 820 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:03.000 MLS playoff match? 821 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:03.719 Yes? 822 00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.800 I have, aren't they And I've been to several, you know, 823 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.880 I become a real fan the last several years. We 824 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.719 have good friends, the Farleys, who have season tickets and 825 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.519 they let us come with them and we, uh, I 826 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.000 don't know about like the tonight where it's gonna be 827 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.599 freezing out and it's gonna be a little dicey, you know. 828 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:26.960 I Usually when I go there, it's ninety degrees out 829 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.599 in the sun and we're sweating and whatever. And that's 830 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.679 what's funny about soccer, right it starts in the cold 831 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.039 in March, and then in the middle of the season 832 00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.559 if the sun is out and it's hot and it's 833 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.760 ninety five and whenever, whatever, and then at the end 834 00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.440 of the season it's back to being cold again. When 835 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:49.920 you're watching, the season is way too long. It's bizarrely long. Yeah, 836 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.920 but we'll be cheering for oursel the downy's gonna hop on. 837 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.360 Get us ready for that mass great all right, Smitty. 838 00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:59.119 So look, it's three games in, but it is sports radio. 839 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.519 So not like I'm worried about Lowry. Nobody should be 840 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.920 worried about Lowry had a great game. 841 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.119 One against Memphis, and then the last two games he's 842 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.480 combined eight of thirty two and it's clear he's on 843 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.119 the first page of the scouting reports. 844 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:12.400 Right. 845 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.480 So Golden State ran a couple of guys at him Dallas. 846 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.920 You know, he was their main point of emphasis defensively. 847 00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.280 So what have you liked most about Lowry's start and 848 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.000 what do you make of the past couple of games 849 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.480 when he is going to be the number one dude 850 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.440 the teams are watching out for. How he's kind of 851 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:30.719 adapting to that role. 852 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.519 Yeah, and that's what he's going to get every night. 853 00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.039 So that's he's going to have to get used to that. Then, 854 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.440 you know, the the other guys who were in the 855 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.159 so called developmental stages and are just going to have 856 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.199 to be able to start pulling some weight to help him, 857 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:49.760 to free him up a little bit more. I mean, 858 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.599 he's still he's still shooting. You know, it's early in 859 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.280 the season. It's only one week spend. We spend twenty 860 00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.239 six weeks in the NBA season. They've played one so 861 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.480 they played the three games out of out of eighty two. 862 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.559 But but you know, he's still shooting the ball, okay, 863 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.079 you know from distance when he's open. You know, the 864 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.719 early season here he's shooting forty seven from three eighty 865 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.719 five from the line. He's I still think he's a 866 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.159 potential one eighty guy for a season, but he's gonna 867 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:20.800 have to get more help, you know. I I do 868 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.320 like the early season play of Colin Sexton. I think 869 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:31.719 he's playing with his usual passion, his usual aggressiveness, but 870 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.719 it looks like he's playing a little bit tighter, a 871 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:39.320 little bit smarter. And and again that that that speaks 872 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.639 to his maturity in the league now and uh and 873 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:44.639 and I think they're gonna have to rely on him 874 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.199 as well. And then whether you're throwing the guys like 875 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.960 Clarkson and Collins or if they're even gonna be here, 876 00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.400 you know, during the season as a season unfolds, if 877 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.760 the Jats are gonna do something with them, which I 878 00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:00.519 don't know anything about that but it does seem like 879 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:03.519 those guys fit in with what they're trying to get 880 00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:06.840 done long term with this group. So some of those 881 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.079 young guys are going to have to play, and they're 882 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:10.920 gonna have to start pulling a little bit of weight 883 00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.639 to just take some of that burden off of marketing them. 884 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.159 So, and I always say this, you know, we can 885 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:20.199 only go off their word. We can only go off 886 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.719 what they're saying. And as you and I both know, 887 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.039 there's what the front office says to the media and 888 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.920 the public, and then there's what actually goes on. Okay, 889 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:33.039 But whenever Danny and Justin speak, it's development, development, development youth. 890 00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:34.800 We got to see what sort of hand we've been dealt. 891 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.559 If the developmental program is working, Walker will be a 892 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:40.599 case study this year because it's his third year in 893 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.119 the program. Right I think it's been an a plus 894 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.400 start for him. Right now through three games, Walker's at 895 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.599 ten points, eleven boards, three blocks. His shooting percentages are 896 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:52.760 back to where you want. He's sixty eight percent from 897 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.639 the floor, only fifty seven percent from the line. We 898 00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.599 need Walker to shoot better from the free throw line. 899 00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.320 But that's getting nitpicky because I think he's been their 900 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:01.880 best players through the first three games. 901 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:04.760 Give your thought, Yeah, well he looks a little bit 902 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:10.519 better to me. You know, I like his rebounding. I 903 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.360 like the fact that he looks like he's moving with 904 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:17.519 a little more purpose when he's uh, especially on the 905 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:21.440 on the offensive end. Look, you know these are early numbers. 906 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:26.320 But if you if you told me now in October, Uh, 907 00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.559 he's averaging you know, in this this first handful of games, 908 00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.360 ten points, eleven rebounds, and and almost three blocks a game. 909 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.239 If you told me, if you said, would you take 910 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.840 that in April and say, oh, that's what he did 911 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.039 all year? I would say give me that because those 912 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.280 those are those are helpful numbers for a group that's 913 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:55.239 trying to get better and trying to improve. Those numbers 914 00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.920 from a center position with the way that they're constructed currently, Uh, 915 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:03.559 would be very would be a contributing factor to them 916 00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:07.000 getting better. So if he can keep up that kind 917 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.039 of pace, I think that would be good. You know, 918 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.800 I don't think he should be doing anything that's off 919 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.559 the charts, but anything that he can do where he 920 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.559 averages a double double and I don't know if he 921 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.000 can do that. If that, if he can keep that up. 922 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.840 But anything around those numbers, he's ten to eleven. Now, 923 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.840 if he ends up averaging eleven eleven and eight or 924 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.719 something like that with a two blocks, a block and 925 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.119 a half, whatever that kind of thing, that would mean 926 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:38.360 to me that he's made that incremental step in his 927 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:43.440 third year to being a contributor to a winning effort. 928 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.159 So tonight he's got Sabonis. 929 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.760 Right, So the Kings are in town, and you know 930 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:52.519 Sacramento one and two, first three. They bring in DeMar 931 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:56.159 DeRozan in the offseason. But Walker's got Sabonis, who right 932 00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:59.440 now is twenty three points eleven boards about just under 933 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:03.079 a block. Assists because he can pass it. Like, yeah, 934 00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:04.639 so what is Walker up against tonight? 935 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:05.960 Yeah, he's almost. 936 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.719 He's gonna get worked tonight by Sbonis and then and 937 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:14.599 then and and because because uh Demontes can go outside 938 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.400 and that's the thing. He can go outside and if 939 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.320 he gets uh Kessler in space at all, now he 940 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.559 can go to work. He's got a great pivot move, 941 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:26.400 he's got great footwork, and and he'll be able to 942 00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.400 set up. He can make elbow jumpers. He can even 943 00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.159 step back off of that. If you give him space. 944 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.440 He can make that if you get up on him. 945 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.639 He's got the footwork and the ability to go one 946 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.559 two bounces and get right to the rim on a big, 947 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.760 big guy like Kessler. So he's gonna he's gonna have 948 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.440 his hands full because Sibonis is a different type of 949 00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:52.320 big man that that doesn't really fit into the mold 950 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.920 of what Kessler is usually used to guarding. 951 00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.519 Since he is in town tonight, And I don't think 952 00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:02.760 I've ever asked you once about your experience with Trey Lyles. Yeah, 953 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.360 he's still in the league. He's still playing significant minutes 954 00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:05.920 for a good team. 955 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:06.280 Yep. 956 00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:10.360 And you know, I I understood why you guys liked him. 957 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.559 I thought it was easy to see a guy with 958 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.679 that size and still with the skill that he has 959 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.960 put it on the floor shoot a little bit. Uh, 960 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.599 But what was what was the experience like from your 961 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.920 vantage point when Trey was here? And obviously when he 962 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.119 left he had some things to say about Quinn that 963 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.599 didn't seem to land very well. 964 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:29.400 Yeah, I don't know. He was he was always a 965 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:33.960 quiet guy, had great parents who were always here, a 966 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.519 lot that you know, involved in his career. Maybe maybe 967 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.519 a little too much on the pro level, you know. 968 00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.199 But that's okay. You know, they they cared about him 969 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.440 and about how he was doing. So I get that, 970 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:49.559 uh and I had to deal with some of that 971 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.400 in my role at the time, you know, with the organization. 972 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.800 But he's a good guy. He's a quiet guy. He 973 00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.679 was always uh, you know, came to work. I always 974 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.000 thought that he had another gear. Uh yeah, he never 975 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:11.719 really got to in any kind of consistent level, you know, 976 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:16.119 but uh uh then again, you know he was he 977 00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:20.239 was on that Kentucky team, you know, with with Devin 978 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:24.119 Booker and the Jazz. We we we took Trey Lyles 979 00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:27.280 and Phoenix. The next pick took Devin Booker. So you 980 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.679 can sit there and go, you know, you guys, you know, 981 00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.760 how dumb were you guys? You know, you guys took Booker. 982 00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.960 My whole different story, Okay, all right, yeah, so you 983 00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.039 win some and you lose some, all right, But you know, 984 00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:44.840 Trey Lyles has been a a serviceable journeyman player, Okay. 985 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:49.880 Devin Booker has been a multi time All Star, a 986 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:54.840 main guy in, an Olympic gold medalist. Okay, so he's 987 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.280 the guy. So you know, that's one of the things 988 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.519 when you're scouting. That's difficult on some of these so 989 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:06.480 called big blue blood programs, whether it's a Duke or 990 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:10.320 a Kentucky or a Kansas where they may have multiple 991 00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:13.880 NBA level guys on the team and you see him 992 00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:17.159 play one year before they enter the NBA draft, but 993 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.400 maybe you don't see everything that they can do or 994 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:23.760 maybe their shortcomings because they have to work within a 995 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.880 confined space because they're with all these other guys. They're 996 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.719 not the one star on the college team. You know, 997 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.960 like Dalton connect last year in Tennessee. You know who's 998 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:35.679 getting all the shots and getting all the attention and everything. 999 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.760 You know, they're there with a bunch of other guys, 1000 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.719 and sometimes guys get lost in the shuffle. That happened 1001 00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:45.039 to Wesley Matthews way back when in Marquette. You know, 1002 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.079 he was playing with two other teammates who were all 1003 00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:52.880 three of them were NBA guys, and he didn't show 1004 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.880 as much as you know, maybe he could have. And 1005 00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:58.840 in his collegiate career a senior year and the other 1006 00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:02.159 two guys got drafted and West didn't get drafted. And 1007 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:06.119 West comes into the Jazz Summer League and to a 1008 00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:10.239 series of events ends up his second year signing a 1009 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.480 free agent, you know, a contract with the way the 1010 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.079 rules were at that time, making more money in his 1011 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:20.039 second year than Blake Griffin, who was in the same 1012 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.760 draft class, who was the number one pick. I mean, 1013 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.519 just by a set of circumstances. That's that we would 1014 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:29.880 have to go into on another show. But it's really 1015 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.960 it's one of those things where you really have to 1016 00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:37.480 scrutinize who you're looking at in college because you're never 1017 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.440 quite sure if all you're seeing is all that is there? 1018 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.559 How much while we're in this space, and I want 1019 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:48.199 to acknowledge how unfair this is as far as what 1020 00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.320 I'm going to bring up, because to your point, everybody 1021 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.039 has hits, everybody has misses. 1022 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.519 So whenever anybody throws Trey Burke. 1023 00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:57.559 At me, I said, well, okay, Donovan late lottery, go 1024 00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.519 bear late first, like in order to be fair. But 1025 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.239 how much of the misses do you still think about it? 1026 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:06.039 Do you still think about Kawhi? Do you still think 1027 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:10.280 about Devin Booker? Do you still think about uh Jokic? 1028 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.159 Be honest, I mean, and everybody missed on those dudest 1029 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.119 just be clear. But as a guy that evaluated talent. 1030 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.079 Do those misses still kind of haunt you a little bit? 1031 00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:21.639 Well, it just I don't know if it haunts as 1032 00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.880 much as you just you're always trying to be retrospective 1033 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:28.559 about you know, what you were looking at. Uh And 1034 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.440 and you've got to make sure that you don't get 1035 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:35.079 caught into a mode of revisionist history. In other words, 1036 00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.079 you have to remember that what you thought and what 1037 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:41.679 you had at that time in terms of information and 1038 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:46.119 intelligence was what you based a decision on. And you 1039 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.480 can't change that five years later and say, oh, well, 1040 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:51.280 well we should have done this, So we should have 1041 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:51.679 done that. 1042 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.880 You know, everybody can do that. 1043 00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.599 Yeah, of course. And that's that's the Monday morning quarterbacking 1044 00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.480 and that's you know, that's that's a lot of that spens. 1045 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:03.760 In my opinion, from More for More. The seat I 1046 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.159 used to sit in for for a long time is 1047 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.320 you know, guys, people who never did it before, and 1048 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.280 they always have the answers. Tomorrow, I'll give you the 1049 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.519 answer tomorrow. Okay, after the game tonight, I'll tell you 1050 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.800 who the best play you know, And so you have 1051 00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:20.719 to do you have to work with what you have 1052 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.719 at that time. And yeah, you you know, hey, I was, 1053 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.360 I was really high. I remember at the time on 1054 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.400 Robert Swift who was coming up, who was coming out 1055 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:34.480 of high school and you know, out of Bakersfield and 1056 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.159 looked like a big guy who knew how to set 1057 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.960 a screen, knew how to roll, you know, had good hands. 1058 00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:43.320 You know, it could be you know, it could be 1059 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.599 a really solid big man in the league. And I 1060 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:51.280 think he had the skill or ability to potentially do that. 1061 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.519 But he had other things off the court, uh, that 1062 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:57.679 got in his way and derailed him from any kind 1063 00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:01.360 of a lengthy career, you know. And uh, you know, 1064 00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:03.239 but then there are other guys, you know, whether it's 1065 00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:06.199 a Paul Millsap at forty six or whether it was 1066 00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.719 a Mo Williams at forty six, and guys that you 1067 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:12.840 like and they're still there in the draft, and you go, well, well, 1068 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:14.559 I like this guy. I don't know why he's not 1069 00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.480 gone already. He's a you know, and and so you 1070 00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.719 you know, if you get a chance at him now, Carl, Yeah, 1071 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:24.199 Johnny Carl. Yeah, you know, John was taking sixteen and 1072 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:28.519 Carl was taking thirteen. You know. But there's also all 1073 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:34.119 the guys that you liked that went somewhere else for 1074 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.800 whatever the circumstances were, and you were convinced, oh, Spence, 1075 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.480 check it's that guy. He you know, I really like him, 1076 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.719 and we were two spots away from getting them. And 1077 00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:49.519 now now the other team has him, and five years 1078 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:51.920 from now, you know, he's a four time All Star 1079 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.480 and going, boy, those guys are really smart, you know, 1080 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.480 and you don't. You're sitting there going, well, you know, hey, 1081 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.480 I was pretty smart too, I just didn't get him. 1082 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:03.480 You know, that kind of thing. So you have those 1083 00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:06.280 kind of thoughts that you can get carried away with 1084 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.719 at times and and you know, but the when you're 1085 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:13.559 in the heat of it, when you're in that that space, 1086 00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:19.320 you really have to be cognizant that you've you've checked 1087 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.440 all the boxes and that you're comfortable with whatever it 1088 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.840 is you're doing at that moment, because those are the 1089 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.440 things that live with you. Hey, look, a lot of 1090 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:33.159 people liked Donovan Mitchell right, and the Jazz were just 1091 00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.360 we were never going to get him at twenty four, 1092 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.159 which is where the Jazz were picking that year, and 1093 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:44.920 Dennis Lindsay made a great move with Tim Connolly and 1094 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.320 Denver to move up from twenty four to thirteen, which 1095 00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:53.239 by the way, was where when we traded Trey Lyles. 1096 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.719 So Denver liked Trey Lyles coming off his rookie year. 1097 00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:01.159 So the Jazz traded Trey Lyles and twenty four to 1098 00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:04.000 get up to thirteen. Denver liked the move because they 1099 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.000 thought they were getting two you know, decent players, and 1100 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:09.719 Trey Lyles and the kid I can't remember his name, 1101 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.880 not from Syracuse that they drafted who really didn't pan out, 1102 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:17.199 but they liked them at the time, and we the 1103 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:21.079 Jazz were able to get Donovan Mitchell. Now Dennis doesn't 1104 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:25.320 make that move, or Denver doesn't want to make a move, 1105 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.679 and Dennis can't get something done with the other teams, 1106 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:33.239 and Mitchell goes seventeen to Portland or you know whoever 1107 00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:37.719 it would have been, and then Donovan Mitchell never shows 1108 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.199 up in Utah and doesn't have the start of the 1109 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:43.880 career that he had. And there's millions of those stories, 1110 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.840 and sometimes it's always fun to go back and see 1111 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.199 what might have happened if just one different thing had 1112 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.559 taken place, whether it's during a draft process or during 1113 00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:00.960 a workout process. You know, Carlos Boozer came in had 1114 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.800 had a terrible workout with us, and we asked him afterwards, hey, 1115 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.599 how come you And he tells us, well, we didn't. 1116 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.440 I haven't eaten in about thirty hours. And we go, 1117 00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.760 what do you mean you haven't eaten? He goes, well, 1118 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.320 I didn't. I didn't eat yesterday morning before I got 1119 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.679 on the plane because I thought there'd be food on 1120 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:22.880 the plane, and then there was they didn't have it, 1121 00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:25.199 And so then I got here and I didn't have 1122 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.519 any money. I don't have a credit card, so I 1123 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.719 didn't eat last night because at Duke they told us 1124 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.719 we couldn't order room service or anything when we're staying 1125 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.639 at the hotels. So I haven't eaten since yesterday morning. 1126 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.400 And Kevin O'Connor like blew his stad like what are 1127 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:42.599 you talking about? You know you got to eat and whatever. 1128 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.840 I remember Kevin famously in that meeting saying saying, look 1129 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:50.000 a booze wherever you go from now on. If you're 1130 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.960 hungry and you don't not sure what to do, use 1131 00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.960 my credit card and just buy some food wherever you. 1132 00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.519 I don't care, I'll pay for the food. Don't don't 1133 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.000 do that. Yeah, and you know, and that's how that's 1134 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:04.559 how Booze was. That's the kind of guy he was. 1135 00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:06.559 And then and then we had him back for a 1136 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.599 second workout where just before the draft we obviously did 1137 00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:11.800 much better, and but we didn't get a chance at 1138 00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.679 him because Cleveland took him early in the second round 1139 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:16.719 and then we got him two years later. Blah blah 1140 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:18.920 blah and and all that stuff. But all of those 1141 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:22.800 are fun stories, backstories about things that that did happen 1142 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:26.880 or things that didn't happen that could have happened if 1143 00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.760 just one other thing had had gone differently. It's, uh, 1144 00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.400 that's what makes this business so fascinating. 1145 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:34.800 Yeah, and the margin of error so thin. 1146 00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.519 Yeah yeah, yeah, it's uh by winning is it comes 1147 00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.159 and that stuff is crazy and and you know, I 1148 00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:45.599 we always would would, uh would use the comparison to like, 1149 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.880 you know, a professional golfer and all these guys you 1150 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.039 got the top guys you always hear about now, whether 1151 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.400 it's Schoffley or Scheffler or you know, Marcau or whatever. 1152 00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:00.000 But the guys who were like twenty five to two hundred, Yeah, 1153 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.920 they're like basically the same guy. And one guy made 1154 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.599 a putt right and a qualifying thing and the other 1155 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.480 guy shanked one shot off the tee or something and 1156 01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.719 then that was it, you know. And it's that that 1157 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:19.440 that line of making it not making it successful not 1158 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.760 successful is such a it's such a thin line, and 1159 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.000 there's so little margin for error. 1160 01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.079 I saw that there's a video going around of a 1161 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.280 I don't know if it was the Corn Ferry back 1162 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:32.920 in the day, but whatever the tour was that you 1163 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:34.920 had to play on to get to the PGA Tour, 1164 01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:36.960 And there was a golfer who I think was in 1165 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.519 his mid thirties and he had a chance to grab 1166 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:41.440 his card. All he had to do was two putt 1167 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.199 from like four feet out, and he three putted because 1168 01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:46.119 he just missed like a tap in and he never 1169 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:47.400 had a chance to qualify again. 1170 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:50.239 Yeah, I mean yeah, and people never go with that. 1171 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:53.000 People never never hear about those stories, right right, And 1172 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.079 they they wondered why I thought you were a good golfer. 1173 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:59.039 I thought I heard a lot about you. Well yeah, 1174 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:01.920 I was, yeah, well you know, and it's hard to 1175 01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:05.679 explain to people, you know, how how thin that that 1176 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:07.719 that that that line really is? 1177 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:09.760 All right, Smitty, before I say you loose, we got 1178 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.920 about thirty seconds here, so it's probably not long enough 1179 01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:13.920 to explain the whole thing. 1180 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:15.800 They're awful defensively. 1181 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:18.719 They're twenty fifth in efficiency, they're twenty seventh in scoring. 1182 01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:19.159 Defense. 1183 01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:21.079 Yeah, I know it's only three games, but they were 1184 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.239 the worst defensive team in pro basketball last year. So 1185 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.440 they've improved. I get they're not last this year. They're 1186 01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:30.360 third to last or fifth to last inefficiency. Sorry, how 1187 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:31.880 do we how do we see a little bit? 1188 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:34.559 Well, they've got it. They've got to be better spence 1189 01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:38.639 and and there's no that that's just work, that's just effort, 1190 01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:43.840 that's determination and and again, through this developmental process and 1191 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.079 the stuff that the Jazz are going through now, they're 1192 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:48.239 going to find out who the guys are that want 1193 01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:50.840 to play, who want to get after it. And when 1194 01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.800 they identify guys that don't, after a certain amount of time, 1195 01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.360 they're just going to put them on the train and 1196 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:57.960 ship them out of town. They're going to go on 1197 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.719 to the next guy because they've got to get and 1198 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.519 especially defensively, is one area you can do that with 1199 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.800 effort and determination and grit, and that's what they're trying 1200 01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:08.239 to find. 1201 01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:10.480 Great to see you, my friend, enjoy the game. Tonight 1202 01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:11.440 and we'll see you soon. 1203 01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:15.079 Okay, Okay, Spence, and I haven't said this and maybe ever, 1204 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:18.920 but go Yankees, just for you, just for you. 1205 01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:21.079 You're rolling on that, Okay, for to God for you. 1206 01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:22.559 I'm gonna have them clip that and I'm gonna use 1207 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:24.920 it as my ring tone. Let us get one game 1208 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.519 at least, all right. 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Thanks for the time we've missed 1235 01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:58.519 you on the show. And of course it means basketball 1236 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:02.119 season is here. When you make your parents around these parts, 1237 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.599 we appreciate the time. And it is a dark and 1238 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.320 rainy day in Salt Lake, which matches the mood Tim. 1239 01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:11.760 Because Taylor Hendrix, after spending a number of hours in 1240 01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:15.159 the off season improving his body and was off to 1241 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.760 a pretty good start, suffers a catastrophic leg injury that 1242 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:21.639 sees him lost for the year. What's your reaction and 1243 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:23.079 what are you hearing about how he's doing? 1244 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:26.000 Yeah, and you know I was in the building last 1245 01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:31.519 night and it was gruesome and garaging. I mean the 1246 01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.159 second you saw the direction that his leg was turned, 1247 01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:37.960 you knew like, oh no, this is a really bad thing. 1248 01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:40.559 And you know Will already summed it up and already 1249 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:42.519 said this is the bar of sports. It sucks. I mean, 1250 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:44.760 the kid did everything that they asked him to do 1251 01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.639 and everything they hoped he would do over the summer, 1252 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:53.000 got significantly stronger, you know, really showed an incredible work ethic, 1253 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:55.960 earned the right to be in that starting lineup, was 1254 01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.400 guarding the other team's death player, whether there's John Morant 1255 01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.800 or Luca Chitch or you know, anybody in between on 1256 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:07.360 a nightly basis. You know, really major stride in his development. 1257 01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:10.280 And again in the bar from Will Hardy, all that 1258 01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.360 has been on pause right now. His season's over. You know, 1259 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.000 typically in these cases there's going to be served or 1260 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:22.039 acquired that you know, the further testing the day is 1261 01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:25.639 to determine the severity of it, you know, specifically like 1262 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.320 ligamant damage, that kind of thing. But I mean, really 1263 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:33.079 just poy what a gut punch? And then what a 1264 01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:36.440 tough thing for a twenty year old kid who had 1265 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:38.519 a rough look year and responded the right way to 1266 01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:39.519 now have to deal with this. 1267 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.519 Yeah, he According to people I've talked to over there, 1268 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:44.840 I'm sure you hear the same, Like, in order to 1269 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:47.559 develop as a young player, the main thing you have 1270 01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:50.360 to show people you can do is work. And he 1271 01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:53.199 showed everybody this offseason that he can work. I mean, 1272 01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:57.360 you know the deal. Like I oftentimes joke that in 1273 01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:01.119 pro basketball it's kind of the same thing as kind 1274 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.480 of National Signing Day in college football, where every coach says, well, 1275 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:07.000 we got every prospect we wanted, like, well your rank 1276 01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:10.239 seventy second, Like he didn't get everybody, and everybody in 1277 01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:13.400 NBA training camps talks about, oh, it's game, it's muscle 1278 01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.480 gain season. This guy put on twenty pounds, this put 1279 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.840 this guy put on ten. But Taylor walked into the 1280 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.440 building and went, oh my gosh, like he looked different 1281 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:23.039 and he was off to a good start to the season. 1282 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.039 And certainly, I guess before we move on a thought 1283 01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.960 on you know, I'm not a doctor. I don't try 1284 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:31.840 to play it on the radio. You know, the Jazz 1285 01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:34.079 certainly will not rush this, nor do they have to. 1286 01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.960 Are you hearing anything about you know, is this going 1287 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:39.760 to be a full year situation, any knowledge in that direction. 1288 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:44.679 You know, what I can say is that a typical 1289 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.440 recovery process from this sort of injury is right about 1290 01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:54.079 that year. So you know, I don't have specifics from 1291 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:58.840 the Jazz quite yet on you know, IMRI results and 1292 01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:03.079 plans for surgery, that sort of thing, but yeah, it 1293 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.199 would not be surprising, giving them the severity of this injury, 1294 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:09.280 if he's not ready for the startup camp or even 1295 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:11.840 started the regular season next year. I mean, he's really 1296 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.000 this is a tough one. It's a really, really tough one. 1297 01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:15.880 Yeah it is. 1298 01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:18.320 And you know, Jazz have a great medical staff and 1299 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:20.880 he's only twenty, so certainly leave a lot of space 1300 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:24.079 for a long term recovery that gets him back on track. 1301 01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:26.400 But I mean it's hard to focus on anything else. 1302 01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:27.239 You know. 1303 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.960 I'm not sure if you heard last night, so obviously 1304 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:34.320 Will Hardy spoke, but then Keyante and walker on. I 1305 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:36.360 didn't see video, but I listened to the audio. It 1306 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.920 sounded like they were by crying, like emotional. I mean, 1307 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:41.400 this is not just something that will affect Taylor. This 1308 01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:43.599 locker room's gonna have to move on from as Kyante 1309 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:44.679 I said, losing their brother. 1310 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.199 Yeah, I mean listen, Kiante. As as the stretchers coming 1311 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.480 out for Hendricks on the floor, he was covering his 1312 01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:55.960 face of the towel and clearly you know, tearing up. 1313 01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:01.360 I mean, it's again, it's the emotional thing. And then 1314 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:04.960 I visually seeing this guy who you're in a locker 1315 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:08.000 room with, who you're on playing with, who you're you know, 1316 01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:10.559 playing with on a daily basis, who you've developed this 1317 01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:14.440 bond with, especially like Conte coming in the same rookie 1318 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:19.479 class and he's sitting there in shock and his his 1319 01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:25.640 ankle is pointed outward like that is a just an 1320 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:30.119 extremely difficult thing to process on an emotional basis. 1321 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:33.199 Yeah, for sure, for sure. All right, it feels, you know, 1322 01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:34.880 kind of a little ubtuse or. 1323 01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:37.359 Whatever to talk about other dynamics. But we can't just 1324 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:39.800 hone in on that. So I wonder, and we just 1325 01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.479 had Smittian studio and I was asking him the same question, 1326 01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:47.119 because you know, the Keyante stuff. At at Baylor, he 1327 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.239 played in thirty three games. He shot thirty three percent 1328 01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:53.680 from three thirty seven percent from the floor. His rookie 1329 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:55.760 year for the Jazz, you know, seventy five games, he 1330 01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:58.319 shot thirty nine percent from the floor, thirty three percent 1331 01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.319 from three. And he's off to even a worse shooting 1332 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:04.319 start this year with splits that are under thirty for 1333 01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:07.359 three and just barely I mean twenty seven percent from 1334 01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:09.520 the floor, twenty three percent from three. 1335 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.600 So ultimately, he's only twenty. 1336 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:15.199 He played a year pro basketball, it's only or excuse me, 1337 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:17.399 a year of college basketball. It's only a second year 1338 01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:20.039 on the pros. But he's never proven to be an 1339 01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.800 efficient shot maker. At what point is that kind of 1340 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:23.399 an issue? 1341 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.640 And I always say, you have to consider it a 1342 01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:30.800 concern now. And you also have to have patience with 1343 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:34.600 a one and done player who is learning to play 1344 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:36.920 point guard at the NBA level, didn't play in high school, 1345 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:40.760 didn't play in college. So and you know, him playing 1346 01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:44.439 aside from you know, aside from a few guys, playing 1347 01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:48.439 with a bunch of young guys. So again, you're gonna 1348 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.199 have to have some patience with him and understand it's 1349 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:53.560 there's gonna be a lot of bumps in the road, 1350 01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:58.239 and you know, maybe maybe he comes to legitimate starting 1351 01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:00.640 point guard in the league, and maybe he doesn't. There's 1352 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:01.560 no guarantees here. 1353 01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:02.279 There's not. 1354 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.560 And you know, while Justin Zany and Danny Ainge talk 1355 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.479 a lot about development and the youth, and that's probably 1356 01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.439 what we're gonna see this year. I do wonder how 1357 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:15.560 Will's gonna handle this, because, look, Patty Mills is thirty six. Okay, 1358 01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:17.119 I'm not trying to make him anything that he's not 1359 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:19.239 at this stage in his career, but Will knows him 1360 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:22.079 from San Antonio, and I just wonder if Will's gonna 1361 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.159 let Keante go through a bunch of mistakes or if 1362 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.800 he's gonna rely on the veteran. Game one against Memphis, 1363 01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:31.119 in Patty's sixteen minutes, they were plus ten and Keyante's 1364 01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:33.840 thirty one, they were minus eleven. Patty didn't take a shot, 1365 01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:36.039 he didn't take a free throw, he only had one board, 1366 01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:38.880 one assist. But he came in and the ball started popping, 1367 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:42.039 the ball started moving. So there is this dynamic of 1368 01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:44.680 that's sitting behind these youngsters, and you know, I know 1369 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:46.600 they want development, but Will wants to win. 1370 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:48.680 How do you think he traverses that space this year? 1371 01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:52.039 Well, I think what you don't want is bad habits 1372 01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:54.680 to develop, and if bad habits are developing, that's gonna 1373 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:57.960 cost Keiante a tors minute. She's doing the right things 1374 01:10:57.960 --> 01:10:59.920 and getting the wrong result. I think it's a complete 1375 01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:05.520 different kind of conversation. So you know, but listen, Kiante's 1376 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:08.560 development is a priority for the organization. And there's also 1377 01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:12.039 understanding that you know, from a wins and losses and 1378 01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.800 standings perspective, this is probably not going to be a 1379 01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:18.960 phenomenal season in the history of Utah Jazz basketball. 1380 01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:20.680 Which, as you know, I'm totally fine with. 1381 01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:23.880 Like, if if this is the situation, because the the 1382 01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:26.159 other thing is, you know, it is a protected pick. 1383 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:28.319 If it's outside of the top ten, it goes to OKC. 1384 01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:32.640 How much of the early losing do you expect to continue? 1385 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.560 And if it does, how much of that is intentional? 1386 01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:39.560 Sorry, I was going through the I was trying to 1387 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:43.000 stink my way through security without interrupting you check question. 1388 01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:44.560 I'll ask you a much shorter question. 1389 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.279 Does it feel like they're actually tanking intentionally this year? 1390 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:50.840 I don't necessarily know that they're going to have to 1391 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:54.159 be intentional about it. I think there's I think the 1392 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:58.800 level of competition in the Western Conference and the quality 1393 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:03.960 and experience of the players on the Jazz roster. I 1394 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.000 think the results that take care of themselves. I think 1395 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:10.760 they will be well positioned to participate in a lottery. 1396 01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:14.680 Debt obviously is expected to produce not just one, but 1397 01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:17.479 potentially a handful of franchise type of talents. 1398 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:20.199 Give me your best guess rotationally what it looks like 1399 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:22.560 with Taylor out? You think they go John Collins, I 1400 01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:24.800 think it's Price's sense about there's about twenty eight minutes 1401 01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:25.960 available rotationally. 1402 01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:27.359 How do you think we'll handles it? 1403 01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.760 Yeah, you know, Cody Williams might get some more time. 1404 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:38.800 My guess is probably held air on the side of 1405 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:41.520 going with the vet in the starting lineup to open 1406 01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:46.439 things up. But I'll be honest with you, I really 1407 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:49.000 wasn't kind of poking around about that last night. There 1408 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:54.359 were you know, obviously better things, particularly the verity of 1409 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.560 Hendrick's injury that I was great focused on more of 1410 01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:58.199 my reporting. 1411 01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:00.920 Yeah, for sure, before I say you lose, if this 1412 01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:04.159 is about development, then a year three, Walker Kessler will 1413 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:05.800 give us a peak as to whether or not they're 1414 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:08.359 developing players through three games. 1415 01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:10.000 He's I think it's been an a plus start. 1416 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:13.479 Ten points, eleven boards, almost three blocks, the shooting percentage 1417 01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:16.319 is close to seventy, So really good first three games 1418 01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:16.760 for Walker. 1419 01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:18.039 Do you think it's going to continue? 1420 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:22.880 Listen, he had great summer, and you know, I think 1421 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:28.000 in hindsight playing fourteen yosa in the World Cup was 1422 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.720 a mistake for him. He needed to be you know, 1423 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:32.960 in a weight room. He needed to be you know what. 1424 01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:36.680 Some of his game at gym and last he was 1425 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.600 kind of a humbling thing for him. He went an 1426 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:43.079 all rookie season to being you know, let's be honest. 1427 01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:46.880 Why would considered a disappointment as a sophomore. But again 1428 01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:49.920 he talked about the way people respond to disappointment, and 1429 01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:52.399 I can I can tell you when I ran into 1430 01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:54.760 Will hard in the preseason, he said, waiting to see Walker. 1431 01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:57.920 You know, he's he's bigger, he's stronger like, he looks 1432 01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.920 good like he you know, he came in ready to 1433 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:03.960 compete this year. So I can tell you Will it's 1434 01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.000 not a guy who closed a lot of smoke. You know. 1435 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.359 If he if he's pumping the guy up and saying 1436 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:10.199 he's happy for what he's been doing, that means he's 1437 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.399 been doing the right things. And you know, I think 1438 01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:15.079 he's talked about it. He had you know, hashtag muscle watch. 1439 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:17.079 But he is bigger. You know, he did add about 1440 01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:21.439 twenty pounds, and you know, I think he's humbled and 1441 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:25.720 came in with me to prove that all the optimism 1442 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:29.479 about him during his rookie season was accurate. And you 1443 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:30.680 know he's ready to back that up. 1444 01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:33.079 All right, brother, We'll good to hear your voice, Glad 1445 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:34.640 to have you back. We'll set you loose and look 1446 01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:35.600 forward to catching up soon. 1447 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:38.720 Storry to rushing on this one. I got an early 1448 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.119 tip tonight, but we will. We will make up for 1449 01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:41.920 it in the weeks to go. 1450 01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:44.560 All good, All good. There is Tim McMahon covers the 1451 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:48.239 NBA for ESPN. He is the ESPN beat reporter on 1452 01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.199 the jazz beat. So we'd like to bring him in 1453 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.800 to get the latest with the Utah Jazz. Yeah, it 1454 01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:58.600 feels a little insensitive or I don't know, futile at 1455 01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:01.800 this point to talk about anything other than the horrible 1456 01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:04.119 scene we all saw yesterday and just thinking to Taylor 1457 01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:07.159 and man, Jazz have a great medical staff. He's twenty, 1458 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.039 so I'm sure he'll get back and he'll be fine, 1459 01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.800 but probably won't be for a year, which does hinder 1460 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:13.439 the development of what he could be. 1461 01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.520 But step one, get healthy. Hopefully he's doing all right. 1462 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:19.960 We're gonna bring in Kevin Reynolds today to talk a 1463 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:23.119 little college football. It is a bye week for both 1464 01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:26.039 BYU and Utah, the second time this year it's happened. 1465 01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:30.800 Obviously a new scheduling situation with the Big twelve stuff, 1466 01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:33.159 so we'll get you ready for that game. We're gonna 1467 01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:36.279 have a lot of of course, rival re weeks say 1468 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:38.560 it slowly in the business. We're gonna have a lot 1469 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:41.880 of daffy ducks next week on the radio with Utah 1470 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:43.880 and BYU going at it. We're gonna have a ton 1471 01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.760 of coverage for you. We're gonna be out and about 1472 01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:49.600 on a couple of remotes. And as I referenced earlier, 1473 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.039 you know, there's not certainly as much to play for 1474 01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:54.800 for Utah's we thought there would be. 1475 01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:58.479 But there is still this game which is not nothing. 1476 01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:01.399 And even though it feels about hollow because there will 1477 01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:03.760 not be a Big twelve championship in saw Lake this year, 1478 01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:07.600 there will not be a CFP appearance. Despite the CFP 1479 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.960 expanding to twelve. This game means a lot to a 1480 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:13.760 lot of people. I'm not sure if that reverberates in 1481 01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:15.359 the locker room in fact, Porta. Let me kick the 1482 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:18.119 tires with you on this because I actually I think 1483 01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:22.119 when we first started doing the show together, you were 1484 01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:24.359 one of the first that I heard kind of describe 1485 01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:26.800 it in a way that I hadn't necessarily heard as 1486 01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:30.840 far as the Because if if you grew up around 1487 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:32.840 it like I did, if you went to school at 1488 01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:35.520 either BYU were Utah like I did. Now covering it 1489 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.920 in the media full time for eighteen years, you don't 1490 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:42.960 need any explanation when someone says Utah BYU football, you 1491 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:45.560 know you know exactly what that means people around here. 1492 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:48.439 But if you're nineteen and you grew up in Florida, 1493 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:50.520 you're like, oh, okay, the Holy War. 1494 01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:51.720 That sounds kind of odd. 1495 01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:54.560 And then there's also this generation of youth fans that 1496 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:56.640 I think are closer to your age that don't have 1497 01:16:56.720 --> 01:17:00.880 the same like desire to see it play. So as 1498 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:03.279 we approach next week, where do you think that you 1499 01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:04.640 players are at with his game? 1500 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.119 Yeah, well, it's it's definitely a little bit different, right, 1501 01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:12.399 you mentioned it there when you're recruiting base, right, your 1502 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:17.760 recruiting footprint isn't Ron McBride's recruiting footprint. It's not the 1503 01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:21.760 Polynesian kids that are moving into state and your your 1504 01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:26.359 big in state recruits. It's southern California, it's Texas, it's 1505 01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:30.000 Florida because of the Denis ericson pipeline. 1506 01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:31.119 Right, it's Morgan. 1507 01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:35.800 Scally who is really got a foothold in Houston and 1508 01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:39.239 the Fort Worth area. Right, There's there's a difference when 1509 01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:41.720 you didn't grow up in the rivalry. There's a different 1510 01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:45.920 feel to it. There's less urgency to it. I think 1511 01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:49.319 when it comes down to the pressure on the game. Now, 1512 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:53.880 if you're a pro. Now, these guys are amateurs. These 1513 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:57.119 guys are college players, of course, but if you approach 1514 01:17:57.199 --> 01:18:00.800 the game as a pro, you don't change the way 1515 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:03.039 you play because it's a rival. You go about your business, 1516 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:06.199 you execute, you play the same play every play the 1517 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:09.239 way you would regardless of who you're playing. Right, But 1518 01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:14.800 there is there is an edge you can get when 1519 01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:18.239 you're playing your rival. Right, there's an intensity you can 1520 01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:21.039 get that I think you as a football fan, as 1521 01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:24.159 a maybe someone that played even at a high school level. 1522 01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:28.079 You understand the edge you can get with a rivalry game, 1523 01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:31.079 maybe just a little bit of a different focus you 1524 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:33.720 can get in your locker room. And I think Kyle, 1525 01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:37.359 regardless of who is in that locker room Spence, is 1526 01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:40.600 still pretty good at doing that right, He's still really 1527 01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:45.479 good at finding that motivation. So when I tell you, 1528 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.680 these kids do view it differently, Yes, I talk to 1529 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:51.760 Zach Moss, a kid who grew up in Miami in 1530 01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:54.640 the you to him has nothing to do with the 1531 01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:58.199 University of Utah until he came here, right, But once 1532 01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.680 he got here because of Isle Whittingham and Morgan Scally 1533 01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:07.000 and Quinton Ganther, guys that he play with, he understands 1534 01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:12.319 the assignment. He understands the rivalry and very much approaches 1535 01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.279 it with a seriousness that is a little different than 1536 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:19.600 most weeks. So, yes, there's a different approach to it, 1537 01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:22.000 but I still think there is a lot of urgency 1538 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:27.319 in Kyle specifically makes sure that anyone in that facility 1539 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:32.119 on BYU week or this time around the two weeks 1540 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.399 you get to prepare for BYU, he makes sure everyone 1541 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:38.319 in that building understands it's a little different focus. 1542 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:39.560 At the very least. 1543 01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:43.560 When we hosted Dan Patrick here, which was my first 1544 01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:46.279 going around with ESPN seven hundred, which I guess would 1545 01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:47.600 be thirteen years ago. 1546 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:50.199 Now, well, I know I'm getting a old. 1547 01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:53.920 Frank Daulce was with us, shout out Frank Hilchin at dinner, 1548 01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:56.960 and so Dan's asking us all these questions. He gets 1549 01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.319 to Dulce's like, what's your story, and Franco's I've played 1550 01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:03.319 quarterback at the You, and Dan said, you played quarterback 1551 01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:06.000 at the University of Miami and Frank said, no, the You, 1552 01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:08.279 and Dan was he'd never heard of before. 1553 01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:08.920 He's like, what do you mean. 1554 01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:12.640 There's one you, it's Miami, and Frank said, well here 1555 01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:15.039 there's also a you. It's and So Dan had never 1556 01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:17.840 heard the University of Utah referred to as the You. 1557 01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:21.039 So when Dulce told him he played quarterback, he thought he, 1558 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:25.079 you know, played at Miami in and Frank was not 1559 01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:29.840 necessarily that level. And he has candles. We'll catch a break, 1560 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.960 all right, coming up on the other side, we are 1561 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:33.800 going to bring in Kevin Reynolds from the trip. But 1562 01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:35.960 before we catch a break, let's welcome in Jeff from 1563 01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:37.359 Farmer and Chemist. 1564 01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:39.640 Jeff Happy Tuesday, sir, how are you. 1565 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:41.760 Yeah, great, happy wet Tuesday. 1566 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:43.319 Yeah, it is indeed, it is indeed. 1567 01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:46.720 So let's start with farmer and chemist, the ability that 1568 01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:50.319 you have to help people sleep well without the need 1569 01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:54.079 for any sort of medication that is addictive and causes 1570 01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:55.039 long term issues. 1571 01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:56.439 How can you help people that need to sleep a 1572 01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:57.119 little bit better? 1573 01:20:58.319 --> 01:21:02.600 It's finding the right product the right person or patient. 1574 01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:06.319 And so what we see is combining different cannabinoids like 1575 01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:08.840 CBN and CBD together and with or without a little 1576 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.479 THC is a really good, scientifically driven option for sleep 1577 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.039 that doesn't have the addictive potential that you see with 1578 01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:17.880 some of the prescription medications. 1579 01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.039 All right, sorry, no, I. 1580 01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:21.159 Was just gonna say it, you know. 1581 01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:23.159 So it really is about what. 1582 01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:27.399 I would love, you know, to be The message is 1583 01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:31.079 the dosing matters, the Raub administration matters, how you use 1584 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:33.920 it matters, the combination matters, And so we would love 1585 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:37.159 to have people come in and talk to us as pharmacists. 1586 01:21:37.159 --> 01:21:38.640 We would love to have that conversation and be that 1587 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:41.479 resource so people feel comfortable that they're getting a good 1588 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:42.359 quality product. 1589 01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:44.840 And what's the best way for people to do that 1590 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.119 to come in to ask you questions just so they 1591 01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:49.560 can get educated. And also, Jeff, let's hear about that 1592 01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:51.239 special offer you have for our listeners. 1593 01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:51.520 Yeah. 1594 01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:54.680 Yeah, So we have a store in Midvelds right in 1595 01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:56.640 the middle of the valley, just off of I fifteen. 1596 01:21:57.039 --> 01:21:58.520 We would love to have people come in and spend 1597 01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:02.600 some time with us. If that's not possible, Doug, my 1598 01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:04.800 partner and I were both pharmacists. We would love to 1599 01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:07.880 jump on a phone call and walk people through any 1600 01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:11.159 issues they have and answer any questions. So it either 1601 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:13.920 often works and either way if either the other way. 1602 01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:16.359 If you if you purchase something either online or in 1603 01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:19.119 the store and you mentioned ESPN seven hundred, we will 1604 01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:20.680 take twenty percent off of any order. 1605 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:23.560 Jeff, thank you sir, having an excellent week and we 1606 01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:24.279 will chat soon. 1607 01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:25.840 Thanks all appreciate it. 1608 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:28.439 Check them out Farmer and Chemist. It's an excellent spot, 1609 01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:31.880 really classy joint. Go in and say hello, ask them questions. 1610 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:34.800 They are all pharmacists there are really nice people, so 1611 01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:37.760 we appreciate having them as a partner. Onto ESPN seven 1612 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:42.439 hundred for the second time this year, which feels really weird. 1613 01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:43.239 Not gonna lie. 1614 01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:47.439 Utah and BYU Football are out a buye for the 1615 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.399 first time this year. They will play each other and 1616 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:53.199 so still a lot to play for. Depending on I 1617 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:57.039 suppose your view of this rivalry. Game BYU is a 1618 01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.199 slight favorite depending on the sports book. I've seen about 1619 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:03.000 three point five about four point five that was according. 1620 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:03.479 To USA Today. 1621 01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:07.159 I think Van Duel has Brigham Young as the slide favorite. 1622 01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:09.079 They're undefeated. Utah is very much not. 1623 01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:13.000 Our next guest covers BYU in college football for the 1624 01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:16.279 Salt Lake Tribune. My guy, Kevin Reynolds, keV, Happy Tuesday. 1625 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:17.800 Man, How you doing good? 1626 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:18.560 How are you doing man? 1627 01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:19.920 Well, appreciate the time. 1628 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:24.520 So as a transplant here in our market. You've lived 1629 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:26.199 here for a number of months now, I've been doing 1630 01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.239 the job for more than just a minute. Do you 1631 01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:30.960 feel like you have an accurate frame of reference for 1632 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:33.800 what BYU Utah football means around the market? 1633 01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:36.560 You know, I've been told a lot about it, and 1634 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:38.840 I've heard a lot about it over the last few years, 1635 01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:41.800 but I've actually never seen this game in person because 1636 01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:44.800 it's never been played since I've been here. So in 1637 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:46.720 a weird way, you know, I've heard so much about 1638 01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:48.920 this game over the last few years that I feel 1639 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:52.560 like I have a relative understanding of what to expect. 1640 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:55.000 But also I've been here two years and i haven't 1641 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:58.119 seen the game in person, so I'm interested in this 1642 01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:01.800 experience it in person for the first time in two weeks. 1643 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:05.439 See, I find this really interesting because let me let 1644 01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:09.199 me follow up. Growing up, obviously you're a football fan, 1645 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:11.840 and obviously a college football fan. Did you have any 1646 01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:16.840 exposure to BYU Utah football? I mean, it's a massive 1647 01:24:16.920 --> 01:24:19.239 rivalry here. I think it's gained a lot of traction 1648 01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:21.960 locally because both teams are now in P four conferences. 1649 01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:25.279 But was it ever part of your college football consumption 1650 01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:25.880 growing up? 1651 01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:30.039 I'll be honest, Coming as a Rutgers fan growing up 1652 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.319 and being on the East Coast, I didn't get to 1653 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:35.199 see a ton of BYU or Utah games, or really 1654 01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:37.920 anything on the West Coast or in the Mountain time zone. 1655 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:42.520 So I really haven't watched this game, even on television live. 1656 01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:46.159 But as you grow up and I moved to Texas 1657 01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:48.239 and you're kind of a little bit closer, you definitely 1658 01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.159 hear about it more. I'd say, honestly, the first time 1659 01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:54.560 that really I think I heard about it was probably 1660 01:24:54.600 --> 01:25:01.359 twenty twenty fifteen around that time. But yeah, I growing 1661 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:03.840 up as a kid, No, I hadn't heard a ton 1662 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:04.239 about this. 1663 01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:07.000 See I've been talking about this on the show because 1664 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:10.239 Scott Mitchell hopped on yesterday. And you can pull up, well, 1665 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:13.279 quite frankly, keV, you can pull up both Utah and 1666 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:17.560 BYU's roster, and you know in a way that it 1667 01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:19.520 just wasn't like this back in the day. I think 1668 01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:23.159 there were Look, there's still plenty of local representation, but 1669 01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:26.600 you know, both BYU and Utah have I would say, 1670 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:29.720 just from a quick glance, the majority of their players 1671 01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:31.760 are from out of state. 1672 01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:33.000 Certainly on Utah side. 1673 01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:36.119 BYU certainly has I think a little bit more local flavor. 1674 01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:41.000 But we've got Texas, We've got Virginia, we've got California. 1675 01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:43.399 I could keep going Pittsburgh. Of course, a lot of 1676 01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:48.399 Cahukuo kids Hawaii, and it doesn't seem like the players, 1677 01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:51.159 who some of them are around your age, due respect, 1678 01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:54.479 who didn't grow up here, it didn't seem like this 1679 01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:58.560 game really was part of their experience in college football. 1680 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.680 And therefore I wonder how many the players actually understand 1681 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:03.000 how much it means to community. 1682 01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:04.520 I wonder where your thoughts are on that when you're 1683 01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:05.239 not raised with it. 1684 01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:08.520 Yeah, No, I think that's definitely an aspect to this, 1685 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:10.800 especially because you know, just talking to guys in the 1686 01:26:10.840 --> 01:26:13.520 last few weeks about this game, a lot of these 1687 01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:15.920 guys in this game, at least from YU side, have 1688 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:19.079 not played in this game and really have to learn 1689 01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:21.079 about this one. I mean, you look look at Jake 1690 01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:24.840 Retzlaf right, he grew up in California and he's talked 1691 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:26.760 about it. How you know, he hasn't played in this game. 1692 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:29.600 He's heard a lot about this game. But DYU came 1693 01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:32.600 on to his radar, you know, not maybe as a 1694 01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:34.720 five or six year old, but came on, came on 1695 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:37.119 to his radar a little bit later as he you know, 1696 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:40.359 grew up around football and then he became a college 1697 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:43.239 prospect and all those types of things. And I think 1698 01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.600 you can go down the list. There's certainly guys on 1699 01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:48.039 this roster. Like I don't want to say that that's 1700 01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:50.319 the universal truths, Like, there's plenty of guys on this 1701 01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:52.880 BYU team who understand the rivalry. 1702 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:53.439 Grew up in. 1703 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:56.960 Utah, you know, Kates Roberts, who've been recruited by both 1704 01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:59.279 programs right, So I think there is a lot of 1705 01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:02.159 that connect and certainly on the coaching staff, there's a 1706 01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:04.760 lot of connection, you know, look at BYUS coaching staff. 1707 01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:06.560 So I don't want to say that this is just 1708 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.800 the universal thing. I think there's a ton of connections 1709 01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:10.960 here and a ton of people who understand what this 1710 01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:14.640 means from both programs side. But I do think there's 1711 01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:18.399 definitely some prominent figures in this rivalry this year who 1712 01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:21.119 are learning about it for the first time, especially because 1713 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:23.920 this hasn't completed since twenty twenty one. I mean, this 1714 01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:26.720 is the longest breaking the rivalry since I think nineteen 1715 01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:30.680 forty two to nineteen forty six, so I think that 1716 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.239 plays a factor too. And even the guys who have 1717 01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:35.920 been on BYU's team for one or two years, since 1718 01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:38.399 they've kind of made the transition to the Big twelve, 1719 01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.840 they haven't played in this game and they haven't seen 1720 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:45.199 this game, so I think that adds a little bit 1721 01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:45.960 of a layer to this. 1722 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.960 So it's interesting I viewed from this perspective. I mean, 1723 01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:53.600 all time, Utah leads the series sixty two, thirty five 1724 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:56.079 and four, although BYU I think Likesho to throw out 1725 01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:58.039 a lot of the early Utah wins because they were 1726 01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:02.000 known as you know, bring them Young Academy. So BYU 1727 01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:04.640 fans whenever they lose, they get a little tricky with numbers. 1728 01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:06.520 They don't really ever lose, So that's just kind of 1729 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:09.079 the deal. But when I was growing up, it was 1730 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.800 lavelle and it was BYU every year, I mean like 1731 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:17.039 almost every year. The Utah in ninety or in nineteen 1732 01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:20.199 eighty eight had a stunning fifty seven to twenty eight win. 1733 01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:24.239 The next year BYU hung seventy on them, and Utah 1734 01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:27.399 just never really beat BYU. Ronnie Mack took over and 1735 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.479 he found some success against BYU in the early nineties, 1736 01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:34.479 and then you know, recently it's a generation of more 1737 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:36.960 or less you dominance Utah fourteen and four in the 1738 01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:40.560 last eighteen. BYU did win the last one, but prior 1739 01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:43.880 to that, Utah beat them nine straight times, and you know, 1740 01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:46.560 Utah goes to the PAC twelve. BYU was kind of 1741 01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:48.760 left out in the win. They decided to do this 1742 01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:52.680 really awkward independent thing that was certainly met with mixed reactions. 1743 01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:54.560 I think it's fair to say had mixed results. 1744 01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:57.199 And so while Utah was kind of making their way 1745 01:28:57.359 --> 01:28:59.960 way through P five football in the PAC twelve, BYU 1746 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.600 was trying to find footing and during that time Utah 1747 01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:07.560 stomped them. But this year, keV Byu is going to 1748 01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:10.039 They're gonna smell blood in the water man, like I 1749 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:13.159 am sure they're sick of hearing basically everything I just said, 1750 01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:16.600 and hearing and dealing with results. It more or less 1751 01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:19.359 have been one sided for nearly twenty years now. And 1752 01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:22.359 with the way they're rolling and with how confident they're playing, 1753 01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:25.640 they're only a slight favorite. But you know they're gonna 1754 01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:28.479 want to come up here and make a statements regardless 1755 01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.560 of what Klanie says about how much he loves Kyle, right, 1756 01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:34.479 and so with Byu at eight, No, I think there's 1757 01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:36.239 a feeling of this way that this game might get 1758 01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:36.840 a little loose. 1759 01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:40.800 Yeah, I mean, I think because growing up, I mean 1760 01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:43.520 we talked about the start of growing up. What rivalries 1761 01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:45.239 did I watch? And I think a lot of the 1762 01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:47.720 times it was, you know, Penn State, Ohio State, it 1763 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:50.279 was Ohio State, Michigan, like, those were the big rivalries 1764 01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.199 that I think were in primetime in New Jersey growing up. 1765 01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:55.319 One of the great parts about all those rivalries to 1766 01:29:55.359 --> 01:29:58.720 me is that they had actual significant implications for Big 1767 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:01.680 Ten title games, for playoff spots kind of later down 1768 01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:05.119 the road, right, And I think now with this game 1769 01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:08.079 having you know, it's not just an independence versus a 1770 01:30:08.119 --> 01:30:11.079 pack twelve team. This is a you know, with two 1771 01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:13.720 schools that now share a conference, a conference that has 1772 01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:16.960 direct implications for who gets into the college football playoffs, 1773 01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:20.239 and with BYU now eight no, and you know, I 1774 01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:22.399 don't know if it's premature to talk about those things, 1775 01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:24.359 but I do think, you know, that's an element to this, 1776 01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.279 especially with the way the schedule shapes up for BYU 1777 01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:29.399 with the last four games, is you know, there are 1778 01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:32.520 playoff implications to this game, which do you think adds 1779 01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:34.199 to it? And it is not something that really has 1780 01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:37.640 been had in this rivalry, to be honest before, just 1781 01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:39.960 because of where the rivalry was placed, especially in the 1782 01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:43.119 last ten years where you know, this rivalry has taken 1783 01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:44.680 place in September. 1784 01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:44.600 And so. 1785 01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:49.279 And BYU is an independent, So I think that adds 1786 01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:50.399 to it as well. 1787 01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:53.479 All right, let's let's talk a little b YU. 1788 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:57.960 As you reference eight and No, I wonder is, well, 1789 01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:01.279 is there one element that has stood out as the 1790 01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:05.439 most surprising. There are several surprising elements juxtaposed to all 1791 01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.920 of our expectations, hence the media poll, hence the Vegas 1792 01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:12.840 over under. But they're complete, they're playing complimentary football, they're 1793 01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:17.199 good in all three phases, and certainly fortune right, fortune 1794 01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:19.640 favors the bull though they're creating their own luck, Like, 1795 01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:21.880 I don't think they have any more questions to answer 1796 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:24.760 about whether or not they're legit. But is there one 1797 01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:27.159 or maybe one or two elements about this start that's 1798 01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:29.720 kind of caught you off guard based on what you're expecting? 1799 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:34.479 Yeah, no, I actually wrote this, I think after UCS 1800 01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:36.840 game is I don't think there's any people out there 1801 01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:38.960 now that are saying, oh cause I think for the 1802 01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:41.760 first couple months of this season, it was always BYU 1803 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:44.600 good or is the start sustainable? 1804 01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:45.079 Right? 1805 01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:47.680 Because I definitely think there were some questions. You know, 1806 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:52.399 Kansas State twenty eight point run in basically six minutes, 1807 01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:54.399 like how often are you going to get that? And 1808 01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:57.880 Oklahoma State we obviously saw what happened there with a 1809 01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:00.960 seventy five yard drive and the last minute of the game, 1810 01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:03.279 you know, down to ten seconds left, and that's an 1811 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:06.239 iconic moment. And you definitely don't don't scoff at it. 1812 01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:09.000 But again it's like, I don't think the questions anymore 1813 01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:11.279 are whether this team is good or not because of 1814 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:12.720 what you just said. I do think this is a 1815 01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:15.840 very complete football team. But I do think the questions are, 1816 01:32:16.239 --> 01:32:19.840 you know, how realistic is a postseason bid for this 1817 01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:22.079 team now at eight MIL? And what does the last 1818 01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:24.319 four games of the season, of the regular season look 1819 01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:27.880 like for BYU? And in terms of surprises, one, I 1820 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:30.840 think Jake Retslast, I don't necessarily know this is a surprise, 1821 01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:34.520 but I think I remember after Wyoming. I remember after SMU, 1822 01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:38.600 the question was can Jake Retslast kind of find this 1823 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:41.640 mix of being the you know, the risk taker that 1824 01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:43.199 he is, which I think makes him a very good 1825 01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:46.960 quarterback for BYU. Pushes the ball downfield, gives this offense 1826 01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:49.399 something on the ground as well, which is something they 1827 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:52.119 did not have last year with Keeten Slovas, but also 1828 01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:56.359 being able to, you know, also almost calibrate himself a 1829 01:32:56.399 --> 01:32:58.560 little bit and not take so many risks with the ball. 1830 01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:00.520 I mean we saw at SMU there was a number 1831 01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:03.640 of turnovers we talked about after Wyoming, there was a 1832 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:05.960 number of balls that maybe could have been turnovers, and 1833 01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:09.119 there were some interceptions there. But since Big twelve plays started, 1834 01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:12.159 I mean, he's eleven to four in touchdown interception ratio. 1835 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:16.119 That's not even counting the rushing kind of numbers that 1836 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:19.399 these had. So I do think his ability to kind 1837 01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:22.239 of just find the right mix, which is something that 1838 01:33:22.239 --> 01:33:25.399 I think was a pretty big outstanding question even in 1839 01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:27.640 late September, I think he's done a good job of that. 1840 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:29.800 I mean, the other part too, is how well this 1841 01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:32.800 run game has worked, particularly the last two weeks with 1842 01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:35.199 l J. Martin and Hinckley were a Potti back because 1843 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:37.600 for so long it was just Jake rets last kind 1844 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:39.720 of willing this offense for a run game. He was 1845 01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:42.439 the leading rusher up until this week. 1846 01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:43.119 With l J. 1847 01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:47.039 Martin coming back for two weeks finally healthy, So the 1848 01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:50.239 ability to kind of have that run game mix off 1849 01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:52.119 the pass game, which is what this offense I think 1850 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:54.039 is meant to look like. And for the first time 1851 01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:57.840 since really Tyler Algier, I think LJ. Martin gives BYU 1852 01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:03.319 this really complete unning game that has transformed this offense. 1853 01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:06.199 And in terms of J Hills team or sorry, Jay 1854 01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:08.680 Hills side of the ball. I think this linebacker group 1855 01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:12.079 has been really fantastic, to be honest, with Isaiah Glasker 1856 01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:15.199 emerging as kind of exactly what he wanted. I mean 1857 01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:18.000 two years ago, I remember talking to linebacker's coach Justinmana 1858 01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:20.560 about what do you kind of want to see in 1859 01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:23.720 a linebacker? What's the mold look like? And he talked about, 1860 01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.560 you know, it's guys like Isaiah Glasger. They definitely need 1861 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.319 to put on more weight, but the length and the 1862 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:32.359 speed at the linebacker positions, you know, the ability to 1863 01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:34.600 drop back and coverage but also get after the quarterback, 1864 01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:39.119 and it translates to you know, eleven interceptions or eleven 1865 01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:41.960 different guys giving an interception on the team. So I 1866 01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:45.159 don't know if it's necessarily surprises, because I think we 1867 01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:48.520 knew where the pieces of the puzzle needed to fit 1868 01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:50.800 for BYU if they were going to be good. But 1869 01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:53.000 it was just a matter of will it actually come 1870 01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:56.159 to truition And the surprise there, I guess, is that 1871 01:34:56.640 --> 01:35:00.239 it absolutely has the first two and a half onto 1872 01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:00.600 the year. 1873 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:05.840 So look, they're number two in total offense, they're number 1874 01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:09.319 three in total defense, and I could keep going throughout 1875 01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:13.800 the overall metrics, rushing, passing, same thing on defense efficiency, 1876 01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:18.279 like most of the data indicates they're really complete, Like 1877 01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:22.000 is there an achilles heel? Because I keep hearing Kialani saying, hey, 1878 01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:24.359 we can be better than we've been, and I'm like, dude, 1879 01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:27.000 what does that look like? You know, like if you 1880 01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:31.359 could actually play better? Like is there something specific that 1881 01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:33.640 they need to clean up? Because the metrics tell you 1882 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:36.479 that they are pretty solid all the way around this year. 1883 01:35:37.479 --> 01:35:39.279 I think they have played well all the way around 1884 01:35:39.319 --> 01:35:41.520 this year, but I do think there are sometimes I 1885 01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:44.119 think on defense, and Kialani Sataki has talked about this 1886 01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:48.640 at times, particularly the last three weeks right where there 1887 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:51.079 are some big runs that are that are allowed. I 1888 01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:53.079 mean you look at the Oklahoma State game, like, I 1889 01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:56.079 know this is not what the headliner is because of 1890 01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:58.680 the way that game ended, and the offense has been good. 1891 01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:01.840 The offense has been very, very efficient since the running 1892 01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:05.920 backs came back right, but Oklahoma State did run the 1893 01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:08.479 ball quite well on this team. I mean this was 1894 01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:12.680 an Oklahoma State offense where Ali Gordon really hadn't gotten 1895 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:16.039 going all year. But he has over one hundred yards 1896 01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:19.680 against BYU and he has three total touchdowns, including the 1897 01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:22.600 receiving one. All right, so I think there were some 1898 01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:25.079 concerns in that game. And also you weren't really able 1899 01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:26.920 to get off the field on third and fourth down 1900 01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:30.920 on that seventeen play drive eight minute drive before. And 1901 01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:33.079 I think those are the things that Klanie's looking at 1902 01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:35.560 and just saying, you know, that is where BYU needs 1903 01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:38.119 to do better. And I think BA did a better job. 1904 01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:41.479 I think in terms of run defense against UCS, r J. 1905 01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:43.600 Harvey was the best running back in the Big twelve 1906 01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:45.720 going into that game. He did have a couple of 1907 01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:49.680 big runs, but it wasn't insane. It certainly wasn't Ali 1908 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:51.960 Gordon devils from the week before. So I do think 1909 01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:54.760 they cleaned some stuff up. But I do think that's 1910 01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:58.560 kind of what he's talking about when he says he 1911 01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:01.159 wants some of these mistakes to be clean. But overall, 1912 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:05.000 I do think it's hard to it's hard to poke 1913 01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:06.760 holes in what by he's doing right now. And I 1914 01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:09.199 think he even said that after last week, he said, yeah, 1915 01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:11.520 there were some mistakes, but going on the road two 1916 01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:15.560 time zones away and beating UCS and kind of containing RJ. 1917 01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:19.479 Harvey to a degree, I think you talk that up 1918 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:23.439 as a win, but when you look at where the 1919 01:37:23.479 --> 01:37:25.880 team can maybe improve, I think those are the things 1920 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:26.560 he's talking about. 1921 01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:31.039 So they have fourteen picks, that's best in the Big twelve. 1922 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:36.720 They're sixth and fumbles recovered. They're turning the other team 1923 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:39.239 over and pressure in the quarterback in a way that 1924 01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:42.079 they didn't last year like at all, which caught me 1925 01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:45.399 off guard. Because of Kilane and because of j two 1926 01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:49.159 defensive minded coaches, they typically couldn't put together a defense 1927 01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:51.840 that looks like the one that we see this year. 1928 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:55.239 What are the biggest differences defensively with this BYU team 1929 01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:57.119 from this year compared to last year. 1930 01:37:58.039 --> 01:37:59.359 I think there were a lot of questions in the 1931 01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:01.720 beginning of the year or form of this exact reason, 1932 01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:04.199 because they decided they're going to bring back the entire 1933 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:07.359 defensive line. They didn't really make any They didn't make 1934 01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:11.279 any splashy signings in the transfer portal in terms to 1935 01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:13.840 add to the edge rusher position or even the interior 1936 01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:16.520 defensive line. And Kalani kind of bet and said, hey, 1937 01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:19.560 another year in the system. You know, with the year 1938 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:21.800 or two in a J Hill coaching staff, there was 1939 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:24.640 no changes on the defensive coaching staff at all really 1940 01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:26.680 they own. They did bring in Gary Anderson to be 1941 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:30.760 a consultant, which everybody knows him quite well in this state. 1942 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:35.039 But I do think it was a that bet really 1943 01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:38.000 paid off for Kilani. Where the interior defensive line, I 1944 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:40.720 think Blake Manglsson has played extremely well. I thought he 1945 01:38:40.760 --> 01:38:43.960 had his best game of the year possibly you know, 1946 01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:46.399 you could argue SMU, but probably the best game of 1947 01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:50.159 the year against UCS. So that certainly helps. But I 1948 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:53.319 think the biggest factory you look at in terms of 1949 01:38:53.479 --> 01:38:55.720 how they gotten pressure on the quarterback, I think you've 1950 01:38:55.720 --> 01:38:57.439 got to give a lot of credit to the linebackers. 1951 01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:01.640 Jack Kelly being added from Weaver State playing that linebacker position, 1952 01:39:01.720 --> 01:39:05.199 he's been very good at pressuring the quarterback, which he 1953 01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:09.039 did have ten sacks last year playing at Weaver State. 1954 01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.279 It was just like will this translate? And I think 1955 01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:13.920 Jay Hills had a strong track record of recruiting guys 1956 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:17.000 from Weaver that he coached before he got to BYU 1957 01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:20.520 and then making an immediate impact like Eddie Hecker Mark 1958 01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:24.039 Collins this year as well, and then Isaiah Glasker's emergence 1959 01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:26.279 along with Harrison Taggert. I mean, I think for a 1960 01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:28.640 large part of this year, we thought Jack Kelly or 1961 01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:31.880 Jacob Robinson would be the best players on defense for BYU, 1962 01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:33.640 and I think they've been good. I don't think. I 1963 01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:36.079 don't say this as they haven't been good, but I 1964 01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:38.600 think Isaiah Glasker of the guys who have played two 1965 01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:41.800 hundred snaps on this team, Isaiah Glasker is the highest 1966 01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:45.000 graded defensive guy on Pro Football Focus, and so his 1967 01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:47.880 emergence has been has been really good. And you know, 1968 01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:49.680 he can get after the passer two and I think 1969 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:52.920 that really helps. He also has two interceptions himself, so 1970 01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:56.760 those those things combined, I think do help. They hill 1971 01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:58.319 kind of get the scheme that he wanted. 1972 01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:01.199 I want to go back to Jake because he was 1973 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:04.680 picked as I believe the worst quarterback in the Big 1974 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:08.479 twelve by some of the media preseason prognosticators. Like you 1975 01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:11.520 can draw a direct line. I mean, look at Sportstock Radio. 1976 01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:13.439 We've got to fill four hours of time, so I 1977 01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:15.079 can't just turn on a mic and be like, oh 1978 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:18.520 Cam's hurting, Jake's healthy, Okay, talk to tomorrow. But you 1979 01:40:18.600 --> 01:40:21.319 can be that reductive. You really can like Jake has 1980 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:24.560 been healthy, He's been awesome. Cam Rising has not been healthy. 1981 01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:28.920 In the quarterback situation of Utah is atrocious, but by 1982 01:40:29.079 --> 01:40:31.640 most metrics, Jake is one of, if not the best 1983 01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:35.399 quarterback in the entire conference now oh and four a 1984 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:39.680 year ago just atrocious decision making, and so you understand 1985 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:43.039 the skepticism as far as people wondering what that was 1986 01:40:43.039 --> 01:40:45.159 going to look like this year when you talk to 1987 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:47.880 him down there, like, was it a bunch of work 1988 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:48.760 in the offseason? 1989 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:52.119 Is just a year older? Is it a better o line? 1990 01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:52.279 Like? 1991 01:40:52.319 --> 01:40:54.680 What are the dynamics that have allowed Jake Good to 1992 01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:57.279 go from a player that was thought to be among 1993 01:40:57.319 --> 01:40:59.920 the worst at his position in the conference too clearly 1994 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:00.760 one of the best. 1995 01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:04.000 I think there was always an internal belief in Jake, 1996 01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:07.600 Like I really do think b YU believed in Jake 1997 01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:10.199 Red's laf like even if they bought it, brought in 1998 01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:15.039 you know, other quarterbacks, and there was a competition really 1999 01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:19.039 for all of fall camp, right Like, let's not forget that, 2000 01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:21.520 Like this went really close down to the wire in 2001 01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:25.159 terms of making a decision to say who's going to. 2002 01:41:25.079 --> 01:41:25.560 Be the starter. 2003 01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:29.600 But with that said, I think Jake has has I 2004 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:32.560 think he's clearly improved decision making wise. I think he's 2005 01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:35.119 you know, he throws the ball away when there's stuff 2006 01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:36.760 not there, and I don't think he was doing that 2007 01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:38.119 last year, So I think that's. 2008 01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:38.439 Part of it. 2009 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:40.600 But the other part of it too, that I think 2010 01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:43.439 is really significant over the last few weeks is that 2011 01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:46.680 they are winning games where Jake Retslaft throws for two 2012 01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:49.359 hundred and eighteen yards, throws for two hundred and thirty yards, 2013 01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:52.199 and Jake Redslif can throw for three hundred yards. We've 2014 01:41:52.199 --> 01:41:55.199 seen BYU win and he throws for two ninety three. 2015 01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:59.439 BYU's asked him to throw quite a bit at SMU, 2016 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:02.840 throw quick a bit at Wyoming. That's all true, but 2017 01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:05.720 with this running game, he doesn't really need to do 2018 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:07.359 that as much, and he can kind of pick his 2019 01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:09.960 spots to win and when he wants to push the 2020 01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:12.800 ball downfield. And I think last game's kind of a 2021 01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:15.640 great example of that. Where last year, was it really 2022 01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:18.079 possible for BYU to win a game in the second 2023 01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:21.760 half where Jake reds Laff only throws for twenty eight yards. No, 2024 01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:24.279 I would say absolutely not. But this time around, when 2025 01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:26.680 you have LJ. Martin, when you have Hinckley Ropazzi, when 2026 01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:30.079 you have SIONI, I moo. We've seen in spots when 2027 01:42:30.079 --> 01:42:32.600 you have an actual rushing attack that's not just Jake 2028 01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:37.199 Rutzlaf and you know everybody else. I think that really helps, 2029 01:42:37.239 --> 01:42:39.600 and you don't put so much pressure on him to 2030 01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:42.840 make plays all the time. And that's not something I 2031 01:42:42.840 --> 01:42:44.720 think that would have been possible last year just because 2032 01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:47.279 they couldn't run the ball. They really couldn't run the 2033 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:51.439 ball really at all. And help Keten slow this in 2034 01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:54.279 the least. And I know King Slows couldn't run either 2035 01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:58.000 as much. He wasn't as mobile. But I do think 2036 01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:00.079 that plays a role into this and how balance the 2037 01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:02.239 offense is, which is what the offense. I think it's 2038 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:05.319 the posed to look like right where you're throwing off 2039 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:08.960 of the run and it's not just you're dropping back 2040 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:10.319 the past fifty times a game. 2041 01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:12.800 All right, keV before I set you loose. 2042 01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:16.439 There's no way of knowing this, but according to ESPN 2043 01:43:16.479 --> 01:43:22.039 FPI BYU should be the betting favorites in every game remaining. 2044 01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:24.159 Do you think they really do it? Do you think 2045 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:26.319 we see them win all twelve in the regular season? 2046 01:43:28.159 --> 01:43:30.560 Put me in a tough spot. You know, I think 2047 01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:34.680 I wrote I wrote after UCS like UCS was the 2048 01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:36.600 game that they were not favored in in the last 2049 01:43:36.600 --> 01:43:39.279 five and they win that game. You know, it's really 2050 01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:41.359 hard to say that. You know, you never know what's 2051 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:43.640 going to happen with Utah. But after that, the schedule 2052 01:43:43.680 --> 01:43:45.439 does set up nicely. And then the other part of 2053 01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:47.880 it too, I think that is a factor in this 2054 01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:52.359 is that Kansas State, Iowa State, and even Colorado like 2055 01:43:52.760 --> 01:43:55.359 their schedule down the stretch like there will be losses 2056 01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:57.479 and there will be separation just because those teams are 2057 01:43:57.479 --> 01:43:59.920 playing each other, Like I don't have the schedule in 2058 01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:01.680 front of me, but the mix and matches they're playing 2059 01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:05.199 each other BYU is not so. And history does show 2060 01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:08.600 in the Big twelve title race at least that teams 2061 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:10.840 in the last four years, teams in the Big twelve 2062 01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:15.520 Title game, there's been multiple two lost teams. Sorry sorry, 2063 01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:18.039 there's been a two lost team every single year for 2064 01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:20.600 the last four years in the Big Title race. And 2065 01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:23.560 who gets to Arlington. So you do have you do 2066 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:26.439 set yourself up nicely in the last month of this season, 2067 01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:29.239 could give yourself a little bit of breathing room by 2068 01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:32.560 beating UCF and going in eight and oh but no, 2069 01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:35.359 I don't know. It's tough to predict what's going to happen, 2070 01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:40.640 especially with this utaih game. I've never been a bystander 2071 01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:44.640 in it. I never I've never experienced it. But it's 2072 01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:45.800 tough to predict. 2073 01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:46.560 Right it? 2074 01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:49.119 Sure is it? Sure is? keV. I appreciate the time, man, 2075 01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:52.319 have a good weekend. We'll chat too, Yeah, thanks man, 2076 01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:52.920 all right. 2077 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:57.039 Kevin Reynolds covers college football b YU for the Saul 2078 01:44:57.119 --> 01:45:01.760 Lake Tribune. His Twitter is at Kevin Reynolds thirty looking 2079 01:45:01.800 --> 01:45:04.640 for a good college football content. Really good kid came 2080 01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:06.239 here a couple of years ago doing a really good 2081 01:45:06.279 --> 01:45:09.680 job on the beat. So of course that game next 2082 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:11.800 week will be a big part of our coverage. 2083 01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:15.119 Excited for rival re weeks say it slowly. 2084 01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:17.560 It's gonna get weird with some radio hosts next week, 2085 01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:19.399 including this one, probably a couple of times. 2086 01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:22.640 But it's not nothing. As we've talked about during the show. 2087 01:45:22.640 --> 01:45:24.880 If you're a Utah football player right now and you're 2088 01:45:24.920 --> 01:45:27.479 kind of wondering, like, well, is there a lot left 2089 01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:31.479 to play for? You go have a couple of magical 2090 01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:35.560 moments in a Utah BYU game, and you're remembered for 2091 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.680 a long time, even if you're playing for a team 2092 01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:40.199 that is in a spot that nobody thought you'd be in. 2093 01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:42.600 So we'll cover that game quite a bit coming up 2094 01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:47.279 next week. So you know how I've been bemoaning an 2095 01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:50.079 outlier of a fantasy football season. 2096 01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:52.439 Right, it's been rough. It's been rough. Not gonna lie. 2097 01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:58.880 Also have Stefan Diggs on the roster, all right, So yeah, yeah, 2098 01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:00.000 I don't know that I'm. 2099 01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:03.159 Make the playoffs. You might be cursed this year. I am. 2100 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:06.359 I think I am, unfortunately, so I don't know that 2101 01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:07.760 the playoffs are going to be a reality. 2102 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:09.039 But let's socks and pro football. 2103 01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:10.880 It's good to have Sam brook House back on the 2104 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:12.640 show on a Tuesday. Sam, Happy Tuesday. 2105 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:14.319 Are we doing doing? 2106 01:46:14.359 --> 01:46:14.560 Good? 2107 01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:14.840 Man? 2108 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:18.520 You chune me up with music, the brick house music 2109 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:20.439 like I'm a wrestler, dude. I appreciate it. 2110 01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:22.600 Yeah, that's my producer. He's in his bag today. 2111 01:46:22.640 --> 01:46:24.960 Typically I have to scold him for his country music 2112 01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:27.079 selections that drive me crazy, but we'll give him a 2113 01:46:27.079 --> 01:46:31.680 little credit on this Tuesday afternoon. All right, Sam, as 2114 01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:34.720 we talked about last time you joined I am a lifelong, 2115 01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:39.039 suffering fan of the New York Football Jets, and the 2116 01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:41.720 most reductive thing I can say about it is, you 2117 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:44.119 got in bed with an old, weird dude and you're 2118 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:45.760 married to a guy that's just done. 2119 01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:47.640 Like Aaron's got nothing left. 2120 01:46:47.680 --> 01:46:50.840 The numbers say that they're giving him everything he wants, 2121 01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:53.359 and I just think they have hitched their wagon to 2122 01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:56.000 the wrong guy. Is there any hope for my Jets 2123 01:46:56.000 --> 01:46:56.920 to turn this thing around? 2124 01:46:57.960 --> 01:46:58.199 Yeah? 2125 01:46:58.239 --> 01:47:02.880 Look, the hope is is that you have Defonte Adams. 2126 01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:03.159 Now. 2127 01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:06.159 They have the weapons they need. The pieces just have 2128 01:47:06.319 --> 01:47:09.000 not come together. Frankly in terms of like net points, 2129 01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:13.600 which projects out a little better than record does at 2130 01:47:13.640 --> 01:47:17.960 this point. They're not absolutely terrible. They're about, you know, average. 2131 01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:20.920 They're around the teams like the Falcons and the Bengals 2132 01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:24.479 who have varying records. But man, it looks pretty rough. 2133 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:26.760 It reminds me of that Brady year And I'm a 2134 01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.920 lifelong New Orleans Saints Dan the breeze here too, where 2135 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:32.640 if he just looks immobile, it looks like you can't throw, 2136 01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:35.119 and then the defense is struggling on the other side, 2137 01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:38.520 which was unexpected. Some injuries there. It's looking pretty grim. 2138 01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:41.079 I too was big on them this year. It's kind 2139 01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:42.600 of disappointing to see how they performed. 2140 01:47:42.800 --> 01:47:45.439 Yeah, yeah, it's it's frustrating. But that's just kind of 2141 01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:47.279 the deal because I didn't buy any the hype, because 2142 01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:49.680 when you've been sharing for this team for forty six years, 2143 01:47:49.680 --> 01:47:52.000 you know the deal. But let me ask you this, 2144 01:47:52.479 --> 01:47:55.199 Russell Wilson two and I was a starter, and you 2145 01:47:55.199 --> 01:47:57.520 know it was the Giants, all right, So there's that. 2146 01:47:57.680 --> 01:47:59.920 But Pittsburgh six and two with a really good def 2147 01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:03.439 in a really good run game, how real do you 2148 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:05.359 think this is? Should we be paying a little bit 2149 01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:08.000 more attention to Russell Wilson and the Pittsburgh Steelers. 2150 01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:11.800 I mean, the defense is the absolute name of the 2151 01:48:11.800 --> 01:48:13.760 game with the Steelers. They're one of like the four 2152 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:17.520 or five best defenses in the league. Cameron Hayward is 2153 01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:22.279 having a year that returned to form year. TJ. Watt 2154 01:48:22.359 --> 01:48:24.640 makes big plays every single game, made a big play 2155 01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:28.159 on Monday Night Football. The recipe for the offense has 2156 01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:31.159 kind of changed since justin fields you went out and 2157 01:48:31.239 --> 01:48:34.359 Russell Wilson comes in. They're really trying to plug back 2158 01:48:34.399 --> 01:48:38.520 into that old school Seattle seahawk play action, throw it deep, 2159 01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:41.119 and when you have George Pickens, who is probably one 2160 01:48:41.119 --> 01:48:44.119 of the best contested catch wide receivers in the league. 2161 01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:47.359 That's ended up being a recipe for success, and we'll 2162 01:48:47.359 --> 01:48:50.000 see if that can continue. I generally am a little 2163 01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:53.760 reticent of Russ's potential given what we've seen in the 2164 01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:56.920 past couple of years. But if they can keep making 2165 01:48:56.920 --> 01:48:59.800 that recipe work, that's a recipe we've seen be successful, 2166 01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:03.159 particularly in that AFC. Nor As the year goes on, 2167 01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:04.199 it gets colder and such. 2168 01:49:04.520 --> 01:49:06.600 At what point I'm gonna stick kind of with this 2169 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:09.520 theme of is this real for a moment and at 2170 01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:12.279 what point do we start look, everyone just might be 2171 01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:14.560 playing for second against the Chiefs, But at what point 2172 01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.520 do we look at Denver and give Bonnicks and Sean 2173 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:19.800 Paige a little credit for I think they've ran off 2174 01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:22.720 five of six, Like, what are you liking about it? 2175 01:49:22.760 --> 01:49:24.560 And do you think it's real and sustainable? 2176 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:30.920 Bonnicks has absolutely shocked me, mostly his ability to limit 2177 01:49:31.279 --> 01:49:34.479 bad plays, which is weird. Do you think about Bonnicks, 2178 01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:38.439 particularly as an old school SEC fan from Louisiana, Like 2179 01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:42.039 I also played against Bonick, so we had on our 2180 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:44.800 scouting report. You know he's gonna run around, He's gonna 2181 01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:47.760 kind of throw it around. He limited that at Oregon 2182 01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:51.319 and now we're really seeing kind of the frooits of it. 2183 01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:54.159 He can still run around him it he's a little bit. 2184 01:49:54.199 --> 01:49:57.640 He's quite mobile, he avoids sex. He's done an okay 2185 01:49:57.760 --> 01:50:00.239 job of avoiding interceptions. He may not be doing the 2186 01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:03.199 most through the air. He looked good this week. But 2187 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:06.760 when you have that really aggressive defense on the other side, 2188 01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:09.520 coach boy Advance Joseph, they're doing a fantastic job of 2189 01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:13.920 blitzing heavily, really pressing up on the wide receivers. With 2190 01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:17.760 guys like Patser Tan and Riley Moss, that's also a 2191 01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:21.319 recipe for success. I think their defense is probably for real. 2192 01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:23.840 And I'm kind of becoming a bow leaver man. I 2193 01:50:23.880 --> 01:50:27.399 can't believe I'm saying that after all my draft research, 2194 01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:29.680 but I kind of see the vision in what Shawn 2195 01:50:29.760 --> 01:50:30.399 Ange trying to do. 2196 01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:31.760 Well. 2197 01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:33.960 Now I've got to follow up, where'd you play against 2198 01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:35.920 bon Nicks and how good of a player were you 2199 01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:36.600 back in the day. 2200 01:50:37.399 --> 01:50:42.079 So I played at Sulane University American Athletic Conference, currently 2201 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:47.039 leading the American Athletic Conference. I might add we went 2202 01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:51.640 into Auburn, Man, it's been several years now, maybe four 2203 01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:54.439 or five years ago now, we weren't able to come 2204 01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:55.800 up with a win. I think it was one of 2205 01:50:55.800 --> 01:51:00.680 Boenick's first home games actually, but it was a fun 2206 01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:03.159 place to play, obviously in that SEC environment. 2207 01:51:04.199 --> 01:51:05.319 Oh yeah, that's cool. 2208 01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:08.239 To have that opportunity to have that experience is great. 2209 01:51:08.319 --> 01:51:10.479 Let me ask you about another rookie quarterback. And I've 2210 01:51:10.479 --> 01:51:13.359 got a buddy who's a big Washington Commanders fan, and finally, 2211 01:51:13.359 --> 01:51:15.600 for the first time in a number of years, he's 2212 01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:19.119 actually excited about his team. And you know, we're obviously 2213 01:51:19.119 --> 01:51:21.800 in Salt Lake in the former PAC twelve foot print. 2214 01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:24.880 Jayden Daniels is out here for a bit, and he 2215 01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:27.880 was good when he was out here. But I don't 2216 01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:31.000 know that anybody who saw him play. Obviously he transfers, 2217 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:33.319 he wins the Heisman, it's a different thing. I'm not 2218 01:51:33.359 --> 01:51:36.640 sure that anybody projected this. Obviously, the Hail Mary is 2219 01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:40.399 a snapshot moment that maybe average NFL fans are finally, 2220 01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:42.359 you know, getting with the deal. But he has been 2221 01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:45.359 so good, and I'll just continue to ask you what 2222 01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:47.680 do you like about it and how sustainable is it. 2223 01:51:49.039 --> 01:51:52.159 I think it's very sustainable. I thought he was the best, 2224 01:51:52.279 --> 01:51:55.840 most prepared, I guess, like NFL ready quarterback going into 2225 01:51:55.880 --> 01:51:58.079 the draft this year. I thought Caleb did have a 2226 01:51:58.119 --> 01:52:01.479 higher ceiling because of his homes like tendency, which we 2227 01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:05.199 kind of though at the end of that Commander's Bears game. 2228 01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:10.319 But jd his like calling card is those perimeter deep 2229 01:52:10.439 --> 01:52:12.760 throws and he's able to hit them over and over 2230 01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:15.479 and over again. And I noticed his ability to do that, 2231 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:20.079 you know, versus Florida State his last year at LSU, 2232 01:52:20.119 --> 01:52:21.720 which ended up being a lost. But I was like, 2233 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:25.399 this just looks completely different than what we suspected. His 2234 01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:28.720 downside was always going to be his pressure to sack 2235 01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:32.000 ratio and taking big hits. He's been able to kind 2236 01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:34.880 of mitigate that. Obviously, has a rib injury that occurred 2237 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:37.600 or a theme that it occurred on him taking a 2238 01:52:37.600 --> 01:52:41.760 big hit, running the ball kind of erratically. I'm in 2239 01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:44.840 for the Jay Daniels ride. I think he's an absolutely 2240 01:52:44.840 --> 01:52:48.199 incredible player and the class of this year's draft class. 2241 01:52:48.600 --> 01:52:51.760 So I referenced the Chiefs and it just continues and 2242 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:54.359 Andy Reid played his college ball at BYU. We like 2243 01:52:54.439 --> 01:52:56.840 to cheer for our local players here, and you know, 2244 01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:01.239 they have been able to just remake and themselves into 2245 01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:03.800 whatever the game in front of them needs in order 2246 01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:06.680 to win. I mean, a guy in my fantasy football 2247 01:53:06.720 --> 01:53:09.920 league straight up dropped Patrick Mahomes right, and so it's 2248 01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:12.239 like he's not putting up the numbers that he used to, 2249 01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:15.479 but it doesn't matter. Like all they do is figure 2250 01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:17.600 out what you're trying to do and then they're just 2251 01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:19.880 a little bit better than you are on that day. 2252 01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:23.039 Do you think that this is going to, you know, be. 2253 01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:25.600 A situation where everybody's clearly playing for second? 2254 01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:27.039 Are they vulnerable anywhere? 2255 01:53:27.039 --> 01:53:29.560 And what do you make of just another incredible start 2256 01:53:29.560 --> 01:53:30.359 there's seven or zero. 2257 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:35.359 I think their vulnerability is if they start losing some 2258 01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:39.079 offensive linemen. But that's really their biggest strength right now. 2259 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:42.359 Like they're one of the best running teams in terms 2260 01:53:42.399 --> 01:53:46.520 of expected points added, which basically puts yards in context 2261 01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:49.960 and keeps football analysts from you know, looking at some 2262 01:53:50.039 --> 01:53:53.000 of the garbage time stuff that can get inflated and 2263 01:53:53.079 --> 01:53:55.720 ironically as well, like we're looking at Patrick Mahomes right 2264 01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:58.119 now saying, oh, he has all year. He has tons 2265 01:53:58.119 --> 01:54:02.479 of turnovers. But even they're also good in that statistic 2266 01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:07.520 per drop back to pass, So like they're really optimizing 2267 01:54:07.640 --> 01:54:09.600 for what is successful. I think you really hit the 2268 01:54:09.640 --> 01:54:11.920 nail on the head there on the offensive side of 2269 01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:14.680 the ball. But where they are absolutely killing teams is 2270 01:54:14.720 --> 01:54:17.279 on the defensive side of the ball. Chris Jones is 2271 01:54:17.399 --> 01:54:25.319 mauling offensive lines, their dvs are are just sticking to 2272 01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:27.720 wide receivers. It's gonna be really hard to beat them 2273 01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:29.920 because they're probably the most well rounded team in the 2274 01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:30.680 league right now. 2275 01:54:31.039 --> 01:54:36.680 So my producer is a lifelong Dallas Cowboys fan, And yeah, 2276 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:39.880 you know, not great. We have Jerry Jones threatening to 2277 01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:43.640 fire radio hosts, we have players going at media members, 2278 01:54:43.720 --> 01:54:47.159 we have Look, they're always good for some drama, but 2279 01:54:47.239 --> 01:54:50.560 they're certainly not good for consistent, high quality football. Look, 2280 01:54:50.600 --> 01:54:53.520 they're they're in bed with DAK, aren't they. You think 2281 01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:55.880 they try to move on from this and maybe just 2282 01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:58.279 rebuild and go all in on being bad for a while, 2283 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:02.079 or are they just going to be perpetually in mediocrity, 2284 01:55:02.159 --> 01:55:03.520 which is what they've been forever. 2285 01:55:05.319 --> 01:55:09.239 Yeah, I think the Cowboys, at least when it comes 2286 01:55:09.279 --> 01:55:11.439 to DAK and CD like it's going to be very 2287 01:55:11.479 --> 01:55:13.359 difficult to move off of them because it's going to 2288 01:55:13.399 --> 01:55:16.680 be really hard to find someone who's better. I guess 2289 01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:18.840 the Vikings have kind of done that this year. They 2290 01:55:18.920 --> 01:55:21.680 moved off of Kirk Cousins. They now come in with 2291 01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:24.399 Sam Donald. But we're even seeing Sam Donald start to 2292 01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:26.880 regress in the last few games. So it's just really 2293 01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:29.399 hard to move off with quarterback who we saw last 2294 01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:33.159 year over the course of sixteen seventeen games, he was 2295 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:36.399 the best guy in the league. And so when you 2296 01:55:36.479 --> 01:55:38.279 have a team like that, you want to see where 2297 01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:39.880 you can plug. You know, we're coming up on the 2298 01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:43.359 trade deadline and at Summer Sports. On the Summer Sports 2299 01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:46.720 Show with Thomas Mentrov and Lindsay Roads, some great professionals 2300 01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:49.279 who have been in the industry for a long long time, 2301 01:55:49.319 --> 01:55:50.880 we were talking about some of the guys that we 2302 01:55:51.159 --> 01:55:53.399 like for Dallas, and I'm really interested to see if 2303 01:55:53.439 --> 01:55:55.199 they try to make a move for someone like a 2304 01:55:55.199 --> 01:55:59.039 blutea Baker, because right now you mentioned like guys going 2305 01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:01.800 after media members. That was just because the defense is 2306 01:56:01.880 --> 01:56:04.479 looking so rough. You look at some of the advanced 2307 01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:07.720 analytics that we have at Summer Sports, they just don't 2308 01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:10.279 have a bunch of good players right now, and so 2309 01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:12.439 I'd really be interested if they go after a boot 2310 01:56:12.479 --> 01:56:15.479 A Baker or one of these guys who can have 2311 01:56:15.560 --> 01:56:18.439 an impact in the running game and the passing game 2312 01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:20.840 and can kind of be a rental for a year 2313 01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:23.000 to just try to get them in the playoffs at 2314 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:23.720 this point. 2315 01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:25.960 Got a lot of Niner fans around here. 2316 01:56:26.600 --> 01:56:29.399 To start the year, they were the second favorite to 2317 01:56:29.439 --> 01:56:33.039 win the Super Bowl to the Chiefs, and at this moment, 2318 01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:35.560 it looks like they're now behind the Lions, the Ravens, 2319 01:56:35.560 --> 01:56:38.319 and the Bills, and they're just ahead of the Eagles. 2320 01:56:38.359 --> 01:56:42.239 So look, if they can get healthy. Obviously, that's still 2321 01:56:42.239 --> 01:56:45.479 a roster that a lot of gms would love to 2322 01:56:45.479 --> 01:56:48.399 have their disposal. For me, it's always been a pretty thing, 2323 01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:51.239 like I know it's reductive, but is he good enough 2324 01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:54.199 to be the guy under center with all the riches 2325 01:56:54.239 --> 01:56:58.279 around him to win something special? Concerned about the Niners 2326 01:56:58.319 --> 01:57:00.680 after four and four? They need to get healthy and 2327 01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:02.560 they're going to be fine. What are your thoughts? 2328 01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:06.159 Yeah, I think that's the biggest concern is the injuries. 2329 01:57:06.399 --> 01:57:08.560 And frankly, that was the reason why I was a 2330 01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:11.680 lot lower than consistent at the beginning of the year 2331 01:57:11.880 --> 01:57:14.039 on the forty nine ers, because they just have so 2332 01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:16.319 many guys who are getting up there in age and 2333 01:57:16.399 --> 01:57:20.720 also who have injury histories. Christian McCafferty being the number 2334 01:57:20.720 --> 01:57:23.159 one guy, he's missed the whole season at this point. 2335 01:57:23.399 --> 01:57:25.840 I know they say they plan that he comes to 2336 01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:29.319 he plans to come back after the buye, but apparently 2337 01:57:29.319 --> 01:57:31.079 he has an achilles injury that he had to go 2338 01:57:31.119 --> 01:57:33.920 to Germany to get fixed. Like that's not doesn't seem 2339 01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:36.520 like a recipe for success. I actually think Perty has 2340 01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:40.199 played pretty well this season. I know he's had some 2341 01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:43.199 off games, particularly against the Chiefs, but I've actually been 2342 01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:49.319 quite surprised by his ability to generate offense despite the 2343 01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:52.159 turnstyle of guys who have been coming in and out 2344 01:57:52.159 --> 01:57:54.720 of the lineup. I wouldn't worry too much about them. 2345 01:57:54.920 --> 01:57:57.680 I know it's a little sticky, but their division is 2346 01:57:57.800 --> 01:58:00.439 very up and down right now. We have teams games 2347 01:58:00.479 --> 01:58:03.960 that they don't expect to win, expect to lose, teams 2348 01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:06.119 winning games they don't expect to win. I think they 2349 01:58:06.119 --> 01:58:09.199 can probably control that division throughout the rest of the season. 2350 01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:12.359 So Pooka Nakua played his college ball around here as well, 2351 01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:16.279 and you know, I'm a Sean mcveig guy, and you know, 2352 01:58:16.399 --> 01:58:19.880 obviously they've had injury issues over the past couple of years. 2353 01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:22.760 I was pretty impressed though, because the Vikes are good, 2354 01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:25.880 and you know, the Rams, to me, with Puoka back 2355 01:58:25.920 --> 01:58:28.319 and we'll see what they do with Cooper Cup, to me, 2356 01:58:28.479 --> 01:58:31.920 are a team that still could potentially make teams uncomfortable 2357 01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:34.439 as we move forward. They still are three and four 2358 01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:37.319 and that's at the bottom of the NFC West. All 2359 01:58:37.359 --> 01:58:38.960 three of the teams in front of them are only 2360 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:42.000 four and four, though. What's your opinion on the recent 2361 01:58:42.119 --> 01:58:44.600 uptick that we've seen from the Los Angeles Rams. 2362 01:58:45.319 --> 01:58:48.000 I mean, you mentioned Puka. He's just kind of an 2363 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:50.800 old school wide receiver. He's really just a ballplayer. I 2364 01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:53.640 mean you see on some big downs they'll motion him 2365 01:58:53.640 --> 01:58:57.640 in and he'll crack, like completely annihilate a linebacker's or 2366 01:58:57.680 --> 01:59:00.439 big dude. These great at running routes. I am worried 2367 01:59:00.479 --> 01:59:03.680 about their injuries because we saw Matthew Stafford not be 2368 01:59:03.800 --> 01:59:06.800 too productive when both Cup and Pooper were out. But 2369 01:59:07.039 --> 01:59:09.199 I think they're definitely in that class with the forty 2370 01:59:09.279 --> 01:59:12.520 nine ers more than the Seahawks and the Cardinals in 2371 01:59:12.560 --> 01:59:16.560 that division right now, I'm a little worried about their defense, 2372 01:59:16.640 --> 01:59:19.119 particularly on the back end. This is another team that 2373 01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:22.640 I think at the deadline could use some safety, some 2374 01:59:22.760 --> 01:59:26.720 cornerback help. But I'm really excited about how the way 2375 01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:30.000 that Jared Verse and Braden Fifth, their two early round 2376 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:33.159 draft picks, both from Florida State, have played. They've really 2377 01:59:33.199 --> 01:59:35.920 been pretty elite in some of our pass rushing and 2378 01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:38.680 run defense metrics as they try to like put a 2379 01:59:38.720 --> 01:59:42.800 patchwork together to replace an unreplaceable player and Aaron and 2380 01:59:42.840 --> 01:59:45.720 Aaron Donald, they've really kind of done a good job 2381 01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:47.720 there and it'll be interesting to see how they grow 2382 01:59:47.800 --> 01:59:50.840 throughout the year as they get more games in the NFL. 2383 01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:54.159 Of the rookie quarterbacks, and I think I might know 2384 01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:56.399 the answer to this, But if we play the tape 2385 01:59:56.439 --> 01:59:59.920 forward ten years and we're talking about this class, who's 2386 02:00:00.039 --> 02:00:01.840 going to be the one guy we talked about standing 2387 02:00:01.880 --> 02:00:03.039 out among the rest and why? 2388 02:00:04.199 --> 02:00:07.239 Man, it is tough and you think about this. I 2389 02:00:07.279 --> 02:00:09.880 am sticking with Jayden Daniels just because I think his 2390 02:00:09.960 --> 02:00:13.439 ability to throw down the field that's always going to 2391 02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:16.880 be there unless he gets like majorly injured, which is 2392 02:00:16.920 --> 02:00:20.680 the fear with him. I think Caleb's starting to look 2393 02:00:20.720 --> 02:00:23.640 good as well. I probably put Caleb in at number two. 2394 02:00:23.720 --> 02:00:26.960 I'm still sticking with JJ McCarthy at three. I liked 2395 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:29.199 how he looked in college. He's just a winner, man. 2396 02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:33.439 He's won all the way from Illinois High school to 2397 02:00:33.600 --> 02:00:37.399 IMG to Michigan. I think will probably continue that with 2398 02:00:37.439 --> 02:00:39.960 a pretty good coaching staff with the Vikings. 2399 02:00:40.000 --> 02:00:40.279 Next. 2400 02:00:40.640 --> 02:00:44.479 Drake May is kind of the old school style stereotypical quarterback. 2401 02:00:44.560 --> 02:00:46.920 I think he can be pretty good. I still don't 2402 02:00:46.920 --> 02:00:50.520 believe a ton in the mix, as you know, being 2403 02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:53.560 a long term three four contract guy with the Broncos. 2404 02:00:53.560 --> 02:00:56.359 But I just lifted off a bunch of good quarterbacks 2405 02:00:56.399 --> 02:00:57.960 and the last time I kind of saw that was 2406 02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:01.520 with the Borough two of class Herbert and I think 2407 02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:04.359 this class is more like that one, you know, than 2408 02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:06.920 the Trevor Lawrence type classes, the Bryce Youngs which we 2409 02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:07.760 saw last year. 2410 02:01:08.079 --> 02:01:11.239 Speaking of Burrow, I mean they're owing for a home, 2411 02:01:12.479 --> 02:01:15.640 you know. So like I've always felt like he is 2412 02:01:15.680 --> 02:01:19.039 too special for a team to kind of waste. 2413 02:01:19.239 --> 02:01:21.520 And look, he's still young, He's got plenty of time left. 2414 02:01:21.560 --> 02:01:24.520 But can Cincinnati turn this around and make it interesting 2415 02:01:24.600 --> 02:01:26.399 and why can't they win a home game? 2416 02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:31.119 I think they can make it interesting. But moreover, as 2417 02:01:31.119 --> 02:01:34.640 we go into the trade deadline, typically they're not super active. 2418 02:01:34.760 --> 02:01:37.319 But I've been listening as long and we're talking about 2419 02:01:37.319 --> 02:01:40.640 how the Jazz were approaching this season. Typically, you know 2420 02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:44.560 NFL teams go all in, but they really have decisions 2421 02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:47.399 to make on what they want to do, especially given 2422 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:50.399 that they did not pay t Higgins this year and 2423 02:01:50.439 --> 02:01:52.319 it seems like he's out the door at the end 2424 02:01:52.359 --> 02:01:54.800 of the season. They also didn't make a decision to 2425 02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:59.600 extend Jamar Chase, and they got to do that as 2426 02:01:59.600 --> 02:02:02.199 long as you know, they extended Joe Burrow already, so 2427 02:02:02.239 --> 02:02:04.840 you got to give him his number one target. You 2428 02:02:04.920 --> 02:02:08.319 look at kind of how they perform this year. Their 2429 02:02:08.359 --> 02:02:11.159 net points is around that kind of jet zone, that 2430 02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:14.119 falcon zone in between, kind of like median level. They 2431 02:02:14.119 --> 02:02:16.640 could go up, they could go down. Their offense is 2432 02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:19.680 like good and Burrow is like a sneaky MVP candidate 2433 02:02:19.960 --> 02:02:22.359 if they can string together a bunch of wins. At 2434 02:02:22.399 --> 02:02:24.800 the end of the year. They're fourth in passing this 2435 02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:28.720 year passing EPA. Their defense is just atrocious, particularly against 2436 02:02:28.720 --> 02:02:31.239 the run, which is a little weird because a bunch 2437 02:02:31.239 --> 02:02:33.399 of their guys are playing good. You see Trey Indrickson, 2438 02:02:33.520 --> 02:02:37.199 he has like seven eight sacks this year. They have 2439 02:02:37.239 --> 02:02:40.119 a bunch of holes kind of in their defensive backfield 2440 02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:41.920 in the run game, but I think they're going to 2441 02:02:41.960 --> 02:02:44.720 put it together. I'm optimistic about the Bengals. I think 2442 02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:48.600 if they would want to make a move, they probably should, 2443 02:02:48.640 --> 02:02:52.479 particularly to shore up that defensive run game. But I 2444 02:02:52.479 --> 02:02:54.159 think their offense is very good and I think that's 2445 02:02:54.159 --> 02:02:55.399 going to carry him the rest of the year. 2446 02:02:55.479 --> 02:02:57.720 I want to go back because you referenced JJ McCarthy, 2447 02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:01.000 and you know, I'm not out the way you are, 2448 02:03:01.119 --> 02:03:04.840 but I loved Sam Darnold in the pre draft process. 2449 02:03:05.239 --> 02:03:07.279 The lesson is, if you play quarterback, do not go 2450 02:03:07.319 --> 02:03:09.279 to the New York Jets. Just don't do it. Okay, 2451 02:03:09.319 --> 02:03:10.960 I just do not do it. It will not work out 2452 02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:13.800 well for you. But you know, obviously JJ is the 2453 02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:16.479 plan for them moving forward. But what sort of questions 2454 02:03:16.560 --> 02:03:20.199 has Sam Darnold answered? And do you think maybe he's good? 2455 02:03:20.239 --> 02:03:22.880 Because look, there are so many teams right now that 2456 02:03:22.960 --> 02:03:26.000 are badly in need of a high caliber starter. So 2457 02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:28.359 if the Vikings say, we're going with the kid. Do 2458 02:03:28.399 --> 02:03:30.479 you think Sam's earned a deal around the league with 2459 02:03:30.479 --> 02:03:31.239 what he's done. 2460 02:03:32.880 --> 02:03:37.079 I'm kind of on the downside on this event. I 2461 02:03:37.119 --> 02:03:39.560 do not think that he is a certified starter in 2462 02:03:39.600 --> 02:03:42.439 this league despite what he's shown this year. And here's 2463 02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:44.760 what I chalk it up to. You you look at 2464 02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.840 some of his metrics, and obviously they're winning games, they're 2465 02:03:47.880 --> 02:03:52.159 pretty good offensively, but you really dig deeper into his metrics, 2466 02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:55.319 the way he's getting a lot of his value is 2467 02:03:55.359 --> 02:03:57.920 through really deep throws down the field, which you know 2468 02:03:58.119 --> 02:04:01.640 is a skilled but high variance through penalties and this 2469 02:04:01.760 --> 02:04:04.600 was kind of the you know, the recipe for success 2470 02:04:04.640 --> 02:04:06.680 back in the old days with the Baltimore Ravens and 2471 02:04:06.760 --> 02:04:09.399 Joe Flacco. But as time went on, they ended up 2472 02:04:09.439 --> 02:04:11.640 wanting to replace him, and I don't even think he's 2473 02:04:11.680 --> 02:04:14.840 as good as doing that as Flacco was back in 2474 02:04:14.880 --> 02:04:17.399 those days. I still think they're probably going to move 2475 02:04:17.439 --> 02:04:20.039 on and go with JJ McCarthy next year, and I'd 2476 02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:24.560 actually suspect that there will be regression as the games 2477 02:04:24.640 --> 02:04:27.199 move on. You know, we've seen them struggle when they 2478 02:04:27.199 --> 02:04:30.079 are trailing, both against the Lions and against the Rams. 2479 02:04:30.119 --> 02:04:33.840 I think we're going to continue seeing that, particularly if 2480 02:04:33.880 --> 02:04:35.359 on the other side of the ball they don't score 2481 02:04:35.479 --> 02:04:38.119 up their defense. I think they may start bleeding points 2482 02:04:38.279 --> 02:04:40.359 just due to the talent they have back there, and 2483 02:04:40.399 --> 02:04:42.800 it'll put Sam Donald in some tough positions and we 2484 02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:45.399 may see a regression back to that old kind of 2485 02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:48.359 poor decision making Sam Donald, we've seen in past days. 2486 02:04:48.880 --> 02:04:51.039 Last thing, and I'll set you, lou Sam, how many 2487 02:04:51.079 --> 02:04:54.880 teams today are you willing to say you think can 2488 02:04:54.960 --> 02:04:56.479 legitimately win a Super Bowl? 2489 02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:01.520 Look? I love the Lions and I love the chief 2490 02:05:01.680 --> 02:05:04.640 I think they are a class above everyone. I think 2491 02:05:04.680 --> 02:05:09.319 the Ravens are probably right there too, And after that 2492 02:05:09.600 --> 02:05:12.199 so it starts getting a little tricky. So right now 2493 02:05:12.439 --> 02:05:14.920 I think three. Maybe you include the Bills in there 2494 02:05:14.920 --> 02:05:17.720 because they have Josh Allen, but probably only three I'd 2495 02:05:17.760 --> 02:05:18.880 be well to throw money on. 2496 02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:21.359 So woh wow. All right, buddy, Where can people go 2497 02:05:21.399 --> 02:05:22.039 find your work? 2498 02:05:23.119 --> 02:05:27.479 You can buy me where all podcasts are Sumer daily podcasts. 2499 02:05:27.479 --> 02:05:29.479 We're going to be doing a lot of trade deadline stuff. 2500 02:05:29.479 --> 02:05:32.479 In fact, we did one on the Summer Sports Show podcast, 2501 02:05:32.520 --> 02:05:34.760 another one of ours. Also check us out at Summer 2502 02:05:34.760 --> 02:05:36.960 Sports Dot com We have a bunch of cool data 2503 02:05:37.399 --> 02:05:40.760 going up that can help you set your fantasy lineups. 2504 02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:43.359 Bet you know, stuff like that. So that's where you 2505 02:05:43.399 --> 02:05:45.720 can find me and at brook out Sports on Twitter 2506 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:46.279 as well. 2507 02:05:46.560 --> 02:05:48.560 Sam, thanks for the time, man, keep up the great work. 2508 02:05:48.560 --> 02:05:49.399 We'll get you back soon. 2509 02:05:49.439 --> 02:05:51.680 Okay, appreciate it. Thank y'all. 2510 02:05:51.960 --> 02:05:54.560 All right, Sam brook House, right, young kid man does 2511 02:05:54.560 --> 02:05:57.239 a lot of great work up on his Twitter pagees podcast, 2512 02:05:57.319 --> 02:06:00.479 his website, so check it out as the well per 2513 02:06:00.600 --> 02:06:03.399 usual has been a lot of fun this year. Your 2514 02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:07.119 Week nine, goodness, gracious man, you blinking this thing's almost done. 2515 02:06:07.600 --> 02:06:11.439 Week nine gets rolling on Thursday with the Texans and 2516 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:16.479 the pathetic, horrible, embarrassing Jets at Medlife Stadium. The Jets 2517 02:06:16.520 --> 02:06:19.239 are two point favorite. They won't win, but you can 2518 02:06:19.279 --> 02:06:23.000 hear that game on our radio station. RSL is in 2519 02:06:23.239 --> 02:06:26.079 action tonight. The MLS Cup playoffs start tonight. 2520 02:06:26.199 --> 02:06:27.680 Want to get it. Get you guys ready for that. 2521 02:06:27.760 --> 02:06:28.359 Now here's the deal. 2522 02:06:28.399 --> 02:06:30.439 I do not know how our guest is because Trey 2523 02:06:30.479 --> 02:06:34.479 said he would get me Donny unless Donny is too busy, 2524 02:06:34.600 --> 02:06:37.680 and in that instance, Trey booked himself as the backup, 2525 02:06:37.720 --> 02:06:40.239 which I would very much like to avoid so porter. 2526 02:06:40.359 --> 02:06:43.960 Who's our guest? 2527 02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:45.239 Yes, Oh. 2528 02:06:47.520 --> 02:06:51.279 Yes, bullet dodge. Come on, Donny, Donny, thank you for 2529 02:06:51.319 --> 02:06:52.840 saving us. Happy Tuesday, buddy. 2530 02:06:53.239 --> 02:06:54.000 Oh what's going on? 2531 02:06:54.039 --> 02:06:54.720 Guys? How are you? 2532 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:56.760 Perfect timing? I just got done with my meeting for 2533 02:06:56.840 --> 02:07:01.000 Apple ahead of our broadcast tonight of Real Soakings Minnesota. 2534 02:07:01.079 --> 02:07:04.319 So perfect timing literally wrapped up like thirty seconds ago. 2535 02:07:04.560 --> 02:07:05.039 Very nice. 2536 02:07:05.079 --> 02:07:07.880 Well, look, fall, for a lot of people is about football. 2537 02:07:08.600 --> 02:07:12.840 Fall also means playoff soccer. I love fall soccer. I 2538 02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:15.680 just love the drama. I love the field, So just 2539 02:07:16.000 --> 02:07:17.640 paint a picture for us. You're out there at the 2540 02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:19.079 Stadium's what's the buzz like? 2541 02:07:19.800 --> 02:07:21.479 Yeah? I mean gates are about to open here in 2542 02:07:21.479 --> 02:07:23.159 about thirty minutes, and then you got to march the 2543 02:07:23.159 --> 02:07:26.319 match right around six sixteen, where RSL supporters will head 2544 02:07:26.319 --> 02:07:28.640 out from the tailgate and make their way into the 2545 02:07:28.680 --> 02:07:32.800 stadium and listen to today's the start. Right, it's the 2546 02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:35.479 last days of the season. You work so hard from 2547 02:07:35.560 --> 02:07:39.319 January to get to this stage, right, all the extra doggies, 2548 02:07:39.359 --> 02:07:42.960 the runs, the weightlifting sessions, you know, those tough conversations 2549 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:45.680 about who deserves to play, who doesn't deserve to play 2550 02:07:45.720 --> 02:07:48.640 based on performance or news signing, the amount of money 2551 02:07:48.680 --> 02:07:51.800 spent during the summer transfer window. You know, the atmosphere 2552 02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:54.760 and the investment into this stadium, and this is what 2553 02:07:54.760 --> 02:07:57.159 it's all about. Heading in the playoffs, and once you 2554 02:07:57.319 --> 02:08:00.560 secured that top three spot in the Western Conference, you've 2555 02:08:00.560 --> 02:08:03.359 secured home field advantage unless you hit one of these 2556 02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:06.520 two Los Angeles teams, whether that be LAFC top of 2557 02:08:06.520 --> 02:08:09.279 the table in the West or LA Galaxy who failed 2558 02:08:09.319 --> 02:08:12.199 at the very last moment down in Houston and tonight 2559 02:08:12.239 --> 02:08:15.079 against the Minnesota United team that you know Rialso Lake 2560 02:08:15.119 --> 02:08:17.640 has had success, but most recently these last couple of 2561 02:08:17.640 --> 02:08:21.600 matchups they've ended in draws, including these two teams meeting 2562 02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:24.439 a couple of weeks ago where Brian Vera ended up 2563 02:08:24.439 --> 02:08:27.000 spitting at an opponent and getting himself a multi game ban. 2564 02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:31.560 So statistically two teams that match up fairly even. But 2565 02:08:31.640 --> 02:08:35.039 for real Lake probably most importantly keeping the back to 2566 02:08:35.079 --> 02:08:40.199 back shutout, turning that into something even more and trying 2567 02:08:40.199 --> 02:08:42.760 to get Chico Rongo that goal. It's because it's been 2568 02:08:42.800 --> 02:08:45.199 elusive finding the back of the net. The seventeen goals, 2569 02:08:45.199 --> 02:08:48.479 twelve assists, his last goal on July sixth, previous to 2570 02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:51.920 that three goals and the hat trick performance June first, 2571 02:08:51.960 --> 02:08:54.039 So they got to get their captain back on track, 2572 02:08:54.119 --> 02:08:55.279 confident and scoring goals. 2573 02:08:55.680 --> 02:08:58.840 So tell me a bit about Minnesota. Now, Ultimately, I 2574 02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:01.720 don't want to be dispared erging, but the two games 2575 02:09:01.760 --> 02:09:04.560 that I've watched, certainly the one here, they did park 2576 02:09:04.600 --> 02:09:07.119 the bus in a way they kind of did not 2577 02:09:07.279 --> 02:09:11.279 engage and look tactically, that's something that Pablo did in Seattle. 2578 02:09:11.319 --> 02:09:12.920 Like I understand if. 2579 02:09:12.760 --> 02:09:15.840 You don't think that you have the ability to kind 2580 02:09:15.880 --> 02:09:18.239 of engage the other team, or if you just want 2581 02:09:18.279 --> 02:09:21.079 to get a road result, that that is a way 2582 02:09:21.159 --> 02:09:22.079 to attack the game. 2583 02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:23.239 That might be beneficial. 2584 02:09:23.600 --> 02:09:26.279 But first of all, I guess I should just ask 2585 02:09:26.359 --> 02:09:28.039 you is that kind of the way they play? 2586 02:09:28.239 --> 02:09:30.520 And then if so, how does RSL handle that? 2587 02:09:31.199 --> 02:09:34.479 Yeah, I mean it's dependent upon, you know, the game itself. 2588 02:09:34.479 --> 02:09:36.479 The regular season game going on the road and the 2589 02:09:36.520 --> 02:09:40.039 point at Real Salt Lake is something to be proud of. 2590 02:09:40.479 --> 02:09:44.079 Considering the strength of the home record schedule for RSL 2591 02:09:44.159 --> 02:09:46.640 this season. It turned it back into the fortress that 2592 02:09:46.720 --> 02:09:49.000 it once was back in the days of Rio Tinto. 2593 02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:52.880 But also for Eric Ramsey and Minnesota United. This is 2594 02:09:52.880 --> 02:09:54.560 the season of three. So I just hit my hit 2595 02:09:54.640 --> 02:09:57.079 on Apple TV and I was trying to explain it's 2596 02:09:57.079 --> 02:09:59.399 a young manager, just thirty two years of age. For 2597 02:09:59.479 --> 02:10:03.039 those that don't no, the Minnesota United manager Eric Ramsey 2598 02:10:03.800 --> 02:10:06.199 spent time at Chelsea Football Club, He spent time at 2599 02:10:06.239 --> 02:10:09.680 Manchester United, spent time as an assistant coach at Wales 2600 02:10:10.039 --> 02:10:12.399 with Gareth Bale and company, and now has taken over 2601 02:10:12.399 --> 02:10:16.159 at Minnesota United. And I think it was kind of 2602 02:10:16.359 --> 02:10:17.840 I don't want to say he was out of nowhere, 2603 02:10:17.880 --> 02:10:19.840 but you didn't think at that stage of his career 2604 02:10:19.920 --> 02:10:22.720 this young man would take that job. So he had 2605 02:10:22.720 --> 02:10:24.880 to bet in and it was actually Cameron Knowles. Cam 2606 02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:27.760 Knowles who played for Rial Sala as a center back 2607 02:10:27.800 --> 02:10:29.720 back in two thousand and five. He was the head 2608 02:10:29.760 --> 02:10:31.760 coach for the purpose couple of matches of the season, 2609 02:10:33.520 --> 02:10:36.720 so adaption period. Team was doing well, some young players 2610 02:10:36.720 --> 02:10:39.039 probably over punching their mark. In the middle of the 2611 02:10:39.039 --> 02:10:41.720 summer June and July, things kind of went sideways. Three 2612 02:10:41.760 --> 02:10:44.199 goal or three wins in just fourteen games. But in 2613 02:10:44.199 --> 02:10:48.039 these last ten matches, seven wins. You know, they've conceded 2614 02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:50.880 just one goal in their last five and they've been 2615 02:10:50.880 --> 02:10:54.039 trending upwards. Like Real Salt Lake. They've added some players 2616 02:10:54.720 --> 02:10:59.000 guys like Bata Bongee, Robin Hood up top, Kelvin Yoboa. 2617 02:10:59.359 --> 02:11:01.600 These players have shown they're more than capable of causing 2618 02:11:01.640 --> 02:11:04.880 havoc against opponents. But like you said, it's a team 2619 02:11:04.920 --> 02:11:07.600 that's probably going to come sit in, sit back, force 2620 02:11:07.680 --> 02:11:10.640 Reale Salt Lake or allowed Real Salt Lake to play 2621 02:11:10.680 --> 02:11:14.800 their possession based type of attacking football soccer and see 2622 02:11:14.800 --> 02:11:17.000 if they can hit in the transition because they are 2623 02:11:17.079 --> 02:11:20.239 legal and counter attack opportunities. And sometimes the name of 2624 02:11:20.279 --> 02:11:22.760 the game isn't being beautiful with the ball. Sometimes the 2625 02:11:22.800 --> 02:11:24.840 name of the game is figuring out how to expose 2626 02:11:24.880 --> 02:11:27.199 your opponents. And that's what they've done well these last 2627 02:11:27.199 --> 02:11:28.960 five matches, four wins and just to draw. 2628 02:11:29.479 --> 02:11:30.079 All right, So. 2629 02:11:30.319 --> 02:11:33.760 Excuse me on the RSL front. You reference the Vera stuff, 2630 02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:37.720 which is just such a bad look. And I've had everybody, Pablo, Jason, Kurt, 2631 02:11:37.760 --> 02:11:41.079 We've all talked about it. Then Big Phil Quinton goes down, 2632 02:11:41.560 --> 02:11:46.359 and so against Vancouver, Pablo's solution was to move to 2633 02:11:46.439 --> 02:11:49.199 Van Brown to center back, a Mecca Andelli to right 2634 02:11:49.319 --> 02:11:51.960 back a mecca I think played sixteen games right back 2635 02:11:52.079 --> 02:11:55.680 last year and bring in Nelson to where a mecca was. 2636 02:11:55.760 --> 02:11:58.239 Are you anticipate or maybe you straight up no, like, 2637 02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:01.119 what what is that going to look like? I was 2638 02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:03.000 gonna say you you might have the lineups, like what 2639 02:12:03.319 --> 02:12:04.840 is it going to look like tonight with that lack 2640 02:12:04.880 --> 02:12:05.880 of center back depth? 2641 02:12:06.560 --> 02:12:09.640 Yeah, without confirming anything whatsoever, because you know, I want 2642 02:12:09.640 --> 02:12:13.199 to keep my job. I think the one thing that 2643 02:12:13.239 --> 02:12:16.000 you can lean into is everything you just described how 2644 02:12:16.039 --> 02:12:18.680 they ended. They kept the shut you know, they they 2645 02:12:18.439 --> 02:12:21.840 they They've showed defensively that they can handle those type 2646 02:12:21.880 --> 02:12:25.079 of moments, and you go back. There's been multiple times 2647 02:12:25.079 --> 02:12:28.319 this season where Justin Glad and Brian Vera, the preferred 2648 02:12:28.319 --> 02:12:32.399 partnership for Paulo Mastroni, has not been available where effectively 2649 02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:36.159 you've played two outside backs as center backs. And whether 2650 02:12:36.199 --> 02:12:39.920 that was you know, the days of a left back 2651 02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:42.159 and a right back playing a center back, or you're 2652 02:12:42.239 --> 02:12:44.239 just having to mix a match, it hasn't been ideal. 2653 02:12:44.319 --> 02:12:48.079 But at the same time, nobody's healthy. You know, nobody's 2654 02:12:48.079 --> 02:12:51.399 one hundred percent healthy. So again, you know, the back 2655 02:12:51.439 --> 02:12:54.039 to back shutouts for Zach McMath kind of continuing to 2656 02:12:54.079 --> 02:12:57.239 build what it looks like in terms of defensive solidity 2657 02:12:58.279 --> 02:13:00.680 and a shape and identity that at least of Mecha Andelly. 2658 02:13:01.359 --> 02:13:03.359 What I would say is, if he does again play 2659 02:13:03.359 --> 02:13:06.760 in that right back position, yes, he's played there. When 2660 02:13:06.760 --> 02:13:09.319 I talked to Pablo last year, he you know, he 2661 02:13:09.680 --> 02:13:12.640 was thinking down the road of uh A Mecca being 2662 02:13:12.640 --> 02:13:15.760 a central midfielder, which has been incredible alongside Ojeita. But 2663 02:13:15.840 --> 02:13:17.960 now if you put him at right back, he's he's 2664 02:13:17.960 --> 02:13:20.880 got the intelligence of playing that position, the familiarity of 2665 02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:23.640 playing that position. But I'd be really intrigue expense to 2666 02:13:23.680 --> 02:13:26.319 see what type of wrinkle he adds in terms of 2667 02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:29.680 overloading and stepping up into that midfield in possession and 2668 02:13:29.720 --> 02:13:32.239 what that looks like, because it's gonna it's going to 2669 02:13:32.319 --> 02:13:34.399 cause some havocs for the opponents to kind of think 2670 02:13:34.399 --> 02:13:37.920 about where his starting position and his ending position are, 2671 02:13:38.079 --> 02:13:41.159 especially with Patronis down that left hand side. He loves 2672 02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:43.800 to get forward, effectively plays a left winger, and that 2673 02:13:43.920 --> 02:13:47.079 ultimately allows Diego Luna and Matt Crooks to be too 2674 02:13:47.199 --> 02:13:51.239 central midfielders in attacking mode underneath Tico Orongo. All of 2675 02:13:51.279 --> 02:13:54.079 those little movements that I'm talking about causes a lot 2676 02:13:54.119 --> 02:13:57.279 of it causes. It causes a ton of havoc for 2677 02:13:57.319 --> 02:14:00.520 opponents to try to figure out when this step, when 2678 02:14:00.600 --> 02:14:03.199 to stay and you have to be very communicative in 2679 02:14:03.279 --> 02:14:05.199 terms of dealing with what's in front of you and 2680 02:14:05.239 --> 02:14:08.479 what's behind you. That is a nightmare, especially in the playoffs, 2681 02:14:08.479 --> 02:14:08.840 to deal with. 2682 02:14:09.119 --> 02:14:12.079 So Pablo hopped on before the Vancouver match and I 2683 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:15.399 asked him because the schedule's being a little funky this year, 2684 02:14:15.479 --> 02:14:19.359 with three games in one week often and then international 2685 02:14:19.399 --> 02:14:22.239 duty injuries, he's had to shuffle a bit. I said, okay, 2686 02:14:22.840 --> 02:14:25.840 last regular season match before the postseason, are we going 2687 02:14:25.920 --> 02:14:29.039 to see a first choice eleven? And he basically said yes. So, 2688 02:14:30.279 --> 02:14:32.039 And you know, I just want you to walk me 2689 02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:34.800 through this because it feels like Diego should be centralized. 2690 02:14:34.800 --> 02:14:37.279 But Matt's been really good there and so Diego was 2691 02:14:37.319 --> 02:14:40.840 out left, Diego was out right, which is new. Diego 2692 02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:42.680 hopped on the show last week and said, where every 2693 02:14:42.680 --> 02:14:44.399 place I'm gonna end up centralized? 2694 02:14:44.439 --> 02:14:44.920 So there's that. 2695 02:14:45.920 --> 02:14:48.600 It feels like Mark Zuke was the guy they wanted 2696 02:14:48.600 --> 02:14:50.319 and maybe still will be the guy they wanted. His 2697 02:14:50.439 --> 02:14:52.640 feeling for Andres, and we have Lachlan in the mix 2698 02:14:52.640 --> 02:14:55.720 as well. He has a lot of different offensive options 2699 02:14:55.720 --> 02:14:58.479 and groupings. Where where do you think that group ultimately 2700 02:14:58.520 --> 02:15:01.119 should and will kind of settle when the dost settles. 2701 02:15:01.560 --> 02:15:03.439 Yeah, I don't think Mark Chuk started because he was 2702 02:15:03.479 --> 02:15:07.560 away with Poland and Germany coming off international duty. So 2703 02:15:07.600 --> 02:15:10.439 I think mar Chuk if he had, if he had 2704 02:15:10.479 --> 02:15:14.279 his full complement of attacking players available, Mark Chuck will 2705 02:15:14.319 --> 02:15:16.079 be on the right, Luno be on the left, Crooks 2706 02:15:16.079 --> 02:15:19.760 would be underneath Chico. Now it seems surprising for a 2707 02:15:19.800 --> 02:15:22.800 lot of people, including myself, because Diogo and the amount 2708 02:15:22.840 --> 02:15:25.159 of money that you've spent on him, it would suggest 2709 02:15:25.159 --> 02:15:27.119 that he would be the guy that you would absolutely 2710 02:15:27.119 --> 02:15:31.279 play over Matt Crooks, especially because statistically Matt Crooks isn't 2711 02:15:31.319 --> 02:15:35.039 anywhere near the respective number tens in Major League Soccer. 2712 02:15:35.520 --> 02:15:38.880 But what he does for the system and the past 2713 02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:41.319 before the pass and the runs off the ball, I 2714 02:15:41.319 --> 02:15:44.479 think have been incredibly important for the for the setup 2715 02:15:44.479 --> 02:15:47.880 and the tactical nuance that Pablo wants from this group. 2716 02:15:48.880 --> 02:15:51.640 So and by the way, not that he wants to, 2717 02:15:51.680 --> 02:15:53.960 but Diogo has been really good coming off the bench 2718 02:15:53.960 --> 02:15:56.159 and being an impact player, uh, you know, in the 2719 02:15:56.239 --> 02:15:59.279 in the second in the second phase of play. So 2720 02:15:59.439 --> 02:16:01.720 all of those things I think can be real and 2721 02:16:01.760 --> 02:16:04.680 can be true and still be frustrating. But I think 2722 02:16:04.720 --> 02:16:08.279 Pablo has a really good identity of who his starting 2723 02:16:08.319 --> 02:16:10.680 eleven is, even though he's got to have some tough 2724 02:16:10.720 --> 02:16:13.920 conversations about why certain players aren't getting the certain amount 2725 02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:16.039 of minutes that they expect at this stage of the season. 2726 02:16:16.279 --> 02:16:19.199 Tell me what you've seen this year from Diego, who 2727 02:16:19.239 --> 02:16:21.680 I perceive to be the player in that group that 2728 02:16:21.760 --> 02:16:24.920 is in the best form right now. Obviously, goals helped, 2729 02:16:24.960 --> 02:16:28.279 and he's scoring goals. The best strike he had against 2730 02:16:28.359 --> 02:16:30.560 Vancouver may have been the one that actually didn't go 2731 02:16:30.640 --> 02:16:33.440 in and went off the crossbar after like four stepovers. 2732 02:16:33.479 --> 02:16:35.319 I mean, he's a magical talent. 2733 02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:35.600 Man. 2734 02:16:36.040 --> 02:16:38.360 How from your vantage point, Dotty, has he grown this year? 2735 02:16:39.120 --> 02:16:40.920 Well, I mean I did his game in January when 2736 02:16:40.959 --> 02:16:42.879 he was called up to the full men's national team 2737 02:16:42.959 --> 02:16:46.680 and he was Caps and down in San Antonio, And 2738 02:16:47.239 --> 02:16:49.280 you know, the joke was he was turning from moon 2739 02:16:49.319 --> 02:16:52.239 boy to moon man because he was no longer kind 2740 02:16:52.280 --> 02:16:54.760 of this precocious young talent. Now he was going to 2741 02:16:54.760 --> 02:16:56.799 be about what can you do at the highest level 2742 02:16:56.840 --> 02:16:59.319 with the pressure on, the expectation on and a U 2743 02:16:59.360 --> 02:17:02.559 twenty two on track that significantly gave him a pay 2744 02:17:02.639 --> 02:17:05.920 raise little but well, I don't want to say little 2745 02:17:05.920 --> 02:17:08.479 by little because he's the same player. But every game 2746 02:17:08.600 --> 02:17:12.559 he's continued to I think, showcase not only why he 2747 02:17:12.600 --> 02:17:15.120 deserves to start, but why he should be an all star, 2748 02:17:15.200 --> 02:17:17.120 why he should be a contender for the US men's 2749 02:17:17.200 --> 02:17:21.479 national team underneath new head coach Mauricio Pochettino. You know, 2750 02:17:21.559 --> 02:17:25.680 the double birds based on performance he gave the former 2751 02:17:25.840 --> 02:17:28.680 US under twenty three coach that refused to take him 2752 02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:32.479 to the Olympics over in France. You know, this is 2753 02:17:32.479 --> 02:17:35.239 a young man who has dealt with setbacks his entire life, 2754 02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:39.719 and the strength and mental fortitude that he has is extraordinary. 2755 02:17:40.399 --> 02:17:42.559 And I would agree with you in terms of the 2756 02:17:42.600 --> 02:17:44.840 consistency of run a for him, there haven't been a 2757 02:17:44.879 --> 02:17:47.000 lot of games where you've seen a dip in his performance. 2758 02:17:47.360 --> 02:17:49.440 He's a type of player that nobody wants to play against. 2759 02:17:49.680 --> 02:17:52.319 He's quick, he's dynamic, he's got a low center of gravity, 2760 02:17:52.799 --> 02:17:56.120 very very intelligent, great technically with either foot, and he's 2761 02:17:56.120 --> 02:17:58.200 a kid that wants to be on the ball as 2762 02:17:58.280 --> 02:18:00.680 much as possible, and you can see the frustrat when 2763 02:18:00.719 --> 02:18:02.319 he doesn't feel like he can be a part of 2764 02:18:02.360 --> 02:18:06.280 the solution and finds himself maybe as part of the problem. 2765 02:18:06.680 --> 02:18:08.719 So yeah, the sky's the limit for this young man. 2766 02:18:08.760 --> 02:18:12.040 And twenty gold contributions on the season so far and 2767 02:18:12.040 --> 02:18:14.639 counting heading into the playoffs, I think it's just the 2768 02:18:14.680 --> 02:18:17.760 start of what we're going to continue to see during 2769 02:18:17.799 --> 02:18:20.399 whatever the timeline looks like. With him wearing an arshol jersey. 2770 02:18:20.639 --> 02:18:22.600 Let me go back to Chico for a moment because 2771 02:18:22.600 --> 02:18:24.120 I haven't been able to catch up with you for 2772 02:18:24.120 --> 02:18:26.239 the past few weeks and I'm just floored. 2773 02:18:26.239 --> 02:18:27.959 Did he still on seventeen goals? 2774 02:18:28.120 --> 02:18:32.319 I mean, I'm baffled, right, So several dynamics here on 2775 02:18:32.520 --> 02:18:35.639 dress and he obviously had a cool, good thing going. 2776 02:18:36.159 --> 02:18:38.600 Gomez has gone acclimates new players. 2777 02:18:38.920 --> 02:18:42.879 The suspension maybe a hot star that wasn't sustainable, But 2778 02:18:43.319 --> 02:18:46.360 how would you characterize exactly why a player that was 2779 02:18:46.399 --> 02:18:49.280 so red hot has gone so eyes cold? 2780 02:18:49.760 --> 02:18:52.920 Yeah, I mean it definitely coincides with the suspension for me. 2781 02:18:53.559 --> 02:18:55.879 You know, he was supposed to he was up for 2782 02:18:55.920 --> 02:18:58.040 the not only just starting in the All Star Game, 2783 02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:00.760 but potentially being the captain of the All Star Game 2784 02:19:00.799 --> 02:19:04.520 in Columbus, so you know that, and probably the frustration 2785 02:19:04.639 --> 02:19:07.079 and or embarrassment of having to deal with the suspension 2786 02:19:07.639 --> 02:19:11.000 in the manner in which it was verbalized or not verbalized. 2787 02:19:13.120 --> 02:19:16.600 Losing andres hurts because I think those two just instinctually 2788 02:19:16.719 --> 02:19:20.639 understood one another. But I would say more importantly, you know, 2789 02:19:20.840 --> 02:19:25.040 it's we saw. You know, we saw even the Siachinka 2790 02:19:25.079 --> 02:19:27.319 own goal down in Houston where we thought, okay, Chio's 2791 02:19:27.319 --> 02:19:30.120 getting got his goal again, here we go. How many 2792 02:19:30.159 --> 02:19:33.319 posts you fit, how many world class saves goalies have 2793 02:19:33.399 --> 02:19:36.000 had against them. But I think the one thing to 2794 02:19:36.120 --> 02:19:39.520 recognize as well, statistically, yeah, that's what we're always going 2795 02:19:39.559 --> 02:19:42.200 to focus on. Goals and the fifth from Chicho because 2796 02:19:42.239 --> 02:19:44.360 he is that good and he's the captain of Rial 2797 02:19:44.440 --> 02:19:47.559 Saw Lake and he was about to break Calvo Saboio's 2798 02:19:47.559 --> 02:19:51.639 single season goal staring record of seventeen goals. He's still 2799 02:19:51.680 --> 02:19:55.000 playing well, Spence. I think that's the that's the craziest 2800 02:19:55.000 --> 02:19:58.079 part about this. You know, statistically, he fell off a cliff, 2801 02:19:58.120 --> 02:20:01.719 but he's still playing really well. So if I knew 2802 02:20:01.719 --> 02:20:04.479 the solution, I would certainly verbalize that to Pablo and 2803 02:20:04.520 --> 02:20:07.200 his staff and to Chea Hill himself. But I think 2804 02:20:07.239 --> 02:20:10.840 I'm as dumbfounded to the frustration that he's finding himself 2805 02:20:10.879 --> 02:20:11.840 in as anyone else. 2806 02:20:12.319 --> 02:20:13.280 All Right, So what. 2807 02:20:13.239 --> 02:20:16.479 I have here is about forty degrees a kickoff with 2808 02:20:16.600 --> 02:20:19.600 the chance of light rain, but maybe no rain at all. 2809 02:20:20.120 --> 02:20:22.440 You're a guy that played all over the world in 2810 02:20:22.799 --> 02:20:27.680 extreme conditions everywhere. What yeah, no, yeah, I know, Like, 2811 02:20:27.760 --> 02:20:31.280 so what sort of unique challenges does a cold, rainy 2812 02:20:31.399 --> 02:20:31.840 night bring. 2813 02:20:33.760 --> 02:20:36.360 Well, it's ideal in terms of you feel like you 2814 02:20:36.399 --> 02:20:39.079 can run forever, but you have to get your body 2815 02:20:39.120 --> 02:20:41.440 right in warm ups and make sure that you're not 2816 02:20:41.559 --> 02:20:44.079 pulling up. By the way, I didn't know Stevie ray 2817 02:20:44.120 --> 02:20:45.680 Vaughan was practicing the national. 2818 02:20:45.399 --> 02:20:46.680 Anthem behind nice. 2819 02:20:47.719 --> 02:20:50.079 Yeah, I think you just got to make sure physically 2820 02:20:50.159 --> 02:20:52.760 you're prepared and you're and you're warm, because getting through 2821 02:20:52.799 --> 02:20:54.639 the warm up is one thing. But then you go 2822 02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:57.520 back inside of the locker room and then you're standing 2823 02:20:57.559 --> 02:21:00.000 out there during national anthems, which it sounds like it's 2824 02:21:00.040 --> 02:21:02.079 going to be a fifteen minute national anthem right now 2825 02:21:02.440 --> 02:21:06.159 with Stevie ray Vaughan out here. But then you know 2826 02:21:06.280 --> 02:21:09.600 it's about mentality, and right now it's about killer mentality. 2827 02:21:10.479 --> 02:21:13.159 So you know, you you wear the long sleeves, if 2828 02:21:13.159 --> 02:21:15.959 you need to wear the gloves, whatever it is, it's 2829 02:21:15.959 --> 02:21:18.639 going to be a cold night, and hopefully, you know, 2830 02:21:18.719 --> 02:21:21.239 maybe they can mimic the performance they had against LAFC 2831 02:21:22.000 --> 02:21:24.200 in the beginning of the season where the snow was falling, 2832 02:21:24.559 --> 02:21:26.079 seemed like it was going to be a nightmare, and 2833 02:21:26.120 --> 02:21:29.000 they absolutely smashed LAFC on the night. 2834 02:21:30.200 --> 02:21:32.120 All right, Dundy, last thing, then I know you got 2835 02:21:32.120 --> 02:21:34.760 to go. So I'll just put it like this very simply. 2836 02:21:35.040 --> 02:21:37.680 RSL gets all three gets a win tonight. 2837 02:21:37.799 --> 02:21:38.319 If what. 2838 02:21:40.440 --> 02:21:45.559 Ooh, if they set the tone, and I expect them 2839 02:21:45.600 --> 02:21:47.879 to set the tone, but I think it's important on 2840 02:21:47.920 --> 02:21:50.559 a night like this where you've had such a significant 2841 02:21:50.600 --> 02:21:54.879 break since decision day that you know effectively what ten 2842 02:21:54.920 --> 02:21:58.079 eleven days off, that you haven't lost your rhythm and 2843 02:21:58.159 --> 02:22:01.639 if you can set the tone, that is the baseline 2844 02:22:01.879 --> 02:22:06.000 of confidence in terms of like the first tackle, first touch, 2845 02:22:06.360 --> 02:22:08.719 you know, winning that first header. If you if you 2846 02:22:08.879 --> 02:22:11.440 set that level of expectation for your teammates and you 2847 02:22:11.600 --> 02:22:14.920 show that you're up for it, it's a lead by example, 2848 02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:18.239 like I never needed to hear somebody tell me as 2849 02:22:18.239 --> 02:22:20.559 a player, let's go, boys, let's go, Like I already 2850 02:22:20.639 --> 02:22:22.760 knew we had to go. So then how do you 2851 02:22:22.840 --> 02:22:25.760 get everyone to fall in line with your leadership. It's 2852 02:22:25.920 --> 02:22:28.440 it's it's getting stuck in, it's setting the tone, it's 2853 02:22:28.479 --> 02:22:31.280 it's you know, getting into those those verbal dialogues with 2854 02:22:31.319 --> 02:22:34.159 the opponents. These are two teams that don't like each other. 2855 02:22:34.399 --> 02:22:36.719 That's clear and evident. And you've got to continue that 2856 02:22:36.799 --> 02:22:38.639 through the playoffs because in a week, a couple of 2857 02:22:38.680 --> 02:22:41.600 days time, when you're on the road in Minnesota on 2858 02:22:41.639 --> 02:22:44.200 Saturday night, you want to make sure that you that 2859 02:22:44.520 --> 02:22:47.200 they know psychologically, whether they want to verbalize it or not, 2860 02:22:47.680 --> 02:22:50.120 that they're in for one hell of a painful game 2861 02:22:50.159 --> 02:22:51.760 to deal with playing ourselves. 2862 02:22:52.000 --> 02:22:54.079 All right, brother, well, I appreciate the time, have a 2863 02:22:54.079 --> 02:22:56.040 great call, and I we'll love to get you back 2864 02:22:56.040 --> 02:22:56.360 on soon. 2865 02:22:56.399 --> 02:22:58.639 Okay, sounds good, my man, good talking. 2866 02:22:58.639 --> 02:23:00.840 Ryan Dunseeth, he'll be on the call tonight with Max 2867 02:23:00.879 --> 02:23:04.639 Bretas as RSL welcomes in Minnesota for the first leg 2868 02:23:04.959 --> 02:23:08.159 of a best of three first round MLS playoff format. 2869 02:23:08.200 --> 02:23:11.040 They changed the damn thing every year. 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Is Aaron 2904 02:24:48.639 --> 02:24:53.840 Judge just a more likable Alex Rodriguez breaks my heart 2905 02:24:53.840 --> 02:24:54.239 to say that. 2906 02:24:55.440 --> 02:24:58.239 I think so. It might be at least this postseason. 2907 02:24:59.079 --> 02:25:04.440 Obviously, the Yankees down big, but as you mentioned, Spence, 2908 02:25:04.479 --> 02:25:08.680 on a close to anniversary of a pretty big comeback, 2909 02:25:09.079 --> 02:25:11.680 maybe they can get a spark at least make things interesting. 2910 02:25:11.680 --> 02:25:12.280 That's what I want. 2911 02:25:12.840 --> 02:25:14.680 You know, I'm not gonna hold out hope that they 2912 02:25:14.680 --> 02:25:16.440 come back from three to zero in a World Series, 2913 02:25:16.479 --> 02:25:22.079 but force a Game six. Maybe I'd be on board 2914 02:25:22.079 --> 02:25:22.200 for that. 2915 02:25:22.799 --> 02:25:26.079 Looks like John Carlos Stanton, who's been by far the 2916 02:25:26.120 --> 02:25:28.760 best Yankee, is going to be moved down from the 2917 02:25:28.799 --> 02:25:33.239 cleanup spot to fifth switching with Jazz Chisholm. So there's 2918 02:25:33.319 --> 02:25:37.159 a lot of switch desperation time. But if Aaron Judge 2919 02:25:37.200 --> 02:25:39.040 can't get a hit, this team is screwed. 2920 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:40.559 So it is the. 2921 02:25:40.520 --> 02:25:45.079 Twenty year anniversary of the Boston Red Sox coming back 2922 02:25:45.079 --> 02:25:47.280 from a three to zero deficit against my Yankees. 2923 02:25:47.319 --> 02:25:49.319 So maybe we can exercise some demons tonight. 2924 02:25:49.440 --> 02:25:53.280 Maybe, or maybe that's a bad omen, right, They don't 2925 02:25:53.319 --> 02:25:54.559 have to be negative all the time. 2926 02:25:54.760 --> 02:25:55.760 It could be a good omen. 2927 02:25:55.920 --> 02:25:58.680 I'm just throwing it out there. You know that was 2928 02:25:58.719 --> 02:26:00.920 the Red Sox that did that. You're our trival. But 2929 02:26:01.040 --> 02:26:04.200 we'll see, we'll see. I personally hope they make it interesting, 2930 02:26:04.239 --> 02:26:07.680 they win and extend the series. That's always my hope, 2931 02:26:08.280 --> 02:26:10.840 that we see seven games. That's the best two words 2932 02:26:10.840 --> 02:26:13.760 in sports. But yeah, right now, they're gonna need a 2933 02:26:13.799 --> 02:26:17.920 more than a lineup change and more than a couple 2934 02:26:18.040 --> 02:26:20.760 hits from from Aaron Judge. They're gonna need to four 2935 02:26:20.799 --> 02:26:22.799 straight games of really solid play. 2936 02:26:23.239 --> 02:26:25.760 Andy larsh and our buddy from the trip is reporting 2937 02:26:25.799 --> 02:26:29.719 that Cody Williams gets to start tonight in place of 2938 02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:32.399 Taylor Hendrick. So we wondered, if it's going to be development, 2939 02:26:32.440 --> 02:26:34.200 you might as well, because what are we going to 2940 02:26:34.280 --> 02:26:36.079 learn that we don't know about John Collins? 2941 02:26:36.559 --> 02:26:36.719 Right? 2942 02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:41.760 Well, you asked Tim McMahon earlier on the show, like, 2943 02:26:42.000 --> 02:26:44.719 have you seen enough to think the Jazz tank is intentional? Well, 2944 02:26:45.239 --> 02:26:48.879 when your players are getting injured, when you're not really 2945 02:26:48.920 --> 02:26:51.120 playing well, it doesn't have to be intentional. Jazz are 2946 02:26:51.200 --> 02:26:54.239 zero and three and they're now at a point spence 2947 02:26:54.280 --> 02:26:57.639 where you're having to throw in guys you were not 2948 02:26:57.680 --> 02:26:59.879 planning to start and it's game four. 2949 02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:02.680 Now that sucks. If you're a. 2950 02:27:02.559 --> 02:27:06.120 Fan who is in the arena buying your Dippin' dots, 2951 02:27:06.680 --> 02:27:09.559 buying your uniform, you know, all in on the team, 2952 02:27:10.200 --> 02:27:12.479 But from a big picture perspective, when you zoom out, 2953 02:27:13.479 --> 02:27:16.360 might be a good thing for the Utah Jazz In 2954 02:27:16.399 --> 02:27:17.120 twenty twenty. 2955 02:27:16.879 --> 02:27:18.440 Four, did you say dippin' dots? 2956 02:27:18.879 --> 02:27:19.000 Hell? 2957 02:27:19.079 --> 02:27:22.000 Yeah, I did, kind of a random snack to select 2958 02:27:22.600 --> 02:27:24.319 when's the last time you had dippin' dots? 2959 02:27:24.440 --> 02:27:26.520 It's more the reason I said dipp dots is because 2960 02:27:26.520 --> 02:27:29.120 it's very much a game thing. So the last time 2961 02:27:29.120 --> 02:27:31.600 I had dippin' dots was the last time I think 2962 02:27:31.639 --> 02:27:33.360 I was, you know, probably at a game as a fan. 2963 02:27:34.440 --> 02:27:36.440 Outside of last night at the hockey game, I did 2964 02:27:36.520 --> 02:27:37.879 not have any any dippin' dots. 2965 02:27:37.959 --> 02:27:40.879 Unfortunately, how was your experience at you I believe that 2966 02:27:40.920 --> 02:27:42.600 was your first Utah Hockey Club game. 2967 02:27:42.719 --> 02:27:45.719 Yeah, at least, you know, as a fan. I went 2968 02:27:45.760 --> 02:27:48.959 and picked up my credential and was there earlier in 2969 02:27:49.000 --> 02:27:52.399 the year. But you know, was able to just kind 2970 02:27:52.399 --> 02:27:54.959 of take in the event, take in the the atmosphere, 2971 02:27:55.000 --> 02:27:56.000 and it was fun. 2972 02:27:56.120 --> 02:27:57.520 It was a lot of fun. 2973 02:27:57.559 --> 02:28:01.920 Obviously the game was interesting for to One was the 2974 02:28:02.040 --> 02:28:05.879 lead late into that one, and then Utah Hockey Club 2975 02:28:06.040 --> 02:28:10.280 let San Jose, who has been really bad in fact, 2976 02:28:10.600 --> 02:28:15.040 hadn't won a game in several weeks, and Utah let 2977 02:28:15.079 --> 02:28:16.559 him right back in it, and then of course lost 2978 02:28:16.559 --> 02:28:19.840 in overtime. So the result wasn't good. The team is 2979 02:28:19.879 --> 02:28:22.120 not playing all that well at the moment, but it 2980 02:28:22.159 --> 02:28:25.840 was fun. I do wonder, Spence, We're only on week 2981 02:28:25.879 --> 02:28:29.280 two or so, and the now it was San Jose. 2982 02:28:29.319 --> 02:28:33.639 They're not a great team. Wasn't all that full. It wasn't, 2983 02:28:34.120 --> 02:28:36.719 you know. And I know it's it's early. It's not 2984 02:28:36.799 --> 02:28:38.840 a good team at San Jose. But I do wonder 2985 02:28:39.200 --> 02:28:42.479 when we're talking about the environment there, you'd think that 2986 02:28:42.840 --> 02:28:47.600 this early on, the attention to the hockey club would 2987 02:28:47.639 --> 02:28:51.600 be still really really upfront. And I don't know that 2988 02:28:51.600 --> 02:28:54.879 that early excitement, that early wave of people being in 2989 02:28:54.920 --> 02:28:57.319 the building and packing that thing seems to have died 2990 02:28:57.360 --> 02:28:59.840 off a little bit. The majority of the upper bowl 2991 02:28:59.879 --> 02:29:02.000 was was kind of empty, which I thought was surprising. 2992 02:29:02.799 --> 02:29:05.959 All Right, Before we get out of here, some tough 2993 02:29:06.040 --> 02:29:09.159 news as Money Parks is done for the year following 2994 02:29:09.200 --> 02:29:09.719 an injury. 2995 02:29:09.719 --> 02:29:11.000 He's to stand against Houston. 2996 02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:14.680 Cameron Rising is set to have surgery this week, and 2997 02:29:14.760 --> 02:29:17.799 it looks like Brandon Rose and Isaac Wilson are going 2998 02:29:17.799 --> 02:29:20.680 to split the reps this week and we'll find out 2999 02:29:20.719 --> 02:29:24.760 more as they evaluate the position. Bummer about Money Parks, man, 3000 02:29:24.799 --> 02:29:25.799 you got it for that kid. 3001 02:29:25.879 --> 02:29:30.360 Yeah, obviously, Money guy who hadn't broken through as much 3002 02:29:30.399 --> 02:29:32.520 as maybe you would have liked. That's partly because of 3003 02:29:32.520 --> 02:29:36.040 the quarterback position. Right, Money had a lot of really 3004 02:29:36.079 --> 02:29:39.159 good showings when Cam was healthy. You saw him break 3005 02:29:39.159 --> 02:29:43.079 out in that game against USC And I mean, if 3006 02:29:43.159 --> 02:29:46.239 they're going to have a strong finish to the year, 3007 02:29:46.520 --> 02:29:49.200 you're gonna have to have performances from guys like Money 3008 02:29:49.200 --> 02:29:51.840 Parks in that locker room, and you know guys that 3009 02:29:51.879 --> 02:29:54.239 can help out in Isaac Wilson or a Brandon Rose 3010 02:29:54.360 --> 02:29:58.319 or whoever it may be that in that backfield. But yeah, 3011 02:29:58.319 --> 02:30:01.239 that's a tough loss. Obviously, you mentioned Cam Rising going 3012 02:30:01.239 --> 02:30:04.760 in for surgery later this week TBD on the future 3013 02:30:05.120 --> 02:30:07.280 for Cam, we're not sure there. And then yeah, when 3014 02:30:07.319 --> 02:30:10.840 you're having what looks like, at least as of today, Spence, 3015 02:30:11.399 --> 02:30:14.440 maybe a quarterback battle midway through the season, and it's 3016 02:30:14.440 --> 02:30:18.280 a battle between a freshman who's already shown not to 3017 02:30:18.280 --> 02:30:22.760 be entirely ready and and a sophomore who from all 3018 02:30:22.760 --> 02:30:27.760 reports in the off season wasn't ready either. Not ideal 3019 02:30:27.959 --> 02:30:29.959 spot to be going into a rivalry game. 3020 02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:31.799 If through Utah, let me ask you one more question, 3021 02:30:31.840 --> 02:30:34.799 then we're going to get out of here, because if 3022 02:30:34.840 --> 02:30:37.280 I answer my own question, I might say, Jalen Glover, 3023 02:30:38.479 --> 02:30:42.479 is there anybody on this roster, in your opinion, that 3024 02:30:42.680 --> 02:30:46.360 hasn't been getting run that Kyle could look either side 3025 02:30:46.399 --> 02:30:49.079 of the ball, they could kind of provide whatever they need. 3026 02:30:49.120 --> 02:30:51.120 I mean, is there anybody with the depth that we 3027 02:30:51.200 --> 02:30:53.959 haven't seen that? Jalen's the one if I'm answering my 3028 02:30:54.000 --> 02:30:56.000 own question, But is there is there anybody out there 3029 02:30:56.000 --> 02:30:57.280 that can actually provide a spark? 3030 02:30:57.319 --> 02:30:57.479 Yeah? 3031 02:30:57.879 --> 02:31:00.280 Offensively, obviously you mentioned Jalen, and that's that, it's the 3032 02:31:00.360 --> 02:31:02.760 right answer. But it's it's so much more than that 3033 02:31:02.840 --> 02:31:05.440 because the offense has been so pedestrian. 3034 02:31:05.520 --> 02:31:06.399 It's Land and King. 3035 02:31:06.479 --> 02:31:11.799 It's I haven't heard Munier McClain's name until very shortly 3036 02:31:12.360 --> 02:31:15.920 in in that game against Houston. It's it's it's Micah Pittman. 3037 02:31:16.319 --> 02:31:18.840 I mean, there are there are really no weapons that 3038 02:31:18.879 --> 02:31:22.040 are making huge impacts on the offense right now, and 3039 02:31:22.079 --> 02:31:26.479 that's that's part of the problem. Defensively, yes, but it's 3040 02:31:26.520 --> 02:31:29.760 it's all availability, right, It's Conro Tool, It's it's Samody Peppa, 3041 02:31:29.799 --> 02:31:33.239 it's Junior Tafuna when he's there, Keanotanavasa who has been 3042 02:31:33.239 --> 02:31:36.719 in out of the lineup. Defensively, yes, they need that spark, 3043 02:31:36.760 --> 02:31:40.680 but it's it's gonna be just based on availability and health. Offensively, man, 3044 02:31:40.719 --> 02:31:45.319 it's just about the quarterback getting Land and King Munier, McClain, 3045 02:31:45.680 --> 02:31:49.040 Micah Pittman. Money parks now obviously out. But those guys 3046 02:31:49.040 --> 02:31:52.120 are are gonna be relying on the quarterback to get 3047 02:31:52.120 --> 02:31:54.879 them involved in and that will be the spark that 3048 02:31:55.520 --> 02:31:56.360 Utah is hoping for. 3049 02:31:56.600 --> 02:32:01.079 World Series nets Yes, World Series. He's next on the. 3050 02:32:01.040 --> 02:32:03.520 Show, Stay tuned. World Series Action coming up. We'll see 3051 02:32:03.520 --> 02:32:06.200 if the Yanks can actually get a game, all right, porter, 3052 02:32:06.280 --> 02:32:08.200 What comes our way on a Wednesday show? 3053 02:32:08.280 --> 02:32:12.159 On a Wednesday edition of the program, the return of 3054 02:32:12.239 --> 02:32:13.000 Tony Jones. 3055 02:32:13.079 --> 02:32:14.680 Oh wow, Yes, a big deal. 3056 02:32:14.799 --> 02:32:18.680 It's NBA season tip off is here. Obviously, Tony one 3057 02:32:18.719 --> 02:32:21.319 of the favorites here in the market when it comes 3058 02:32:21.360 --> 02:32:23.680 to interviews on our shows. I don't just say that. 3059 02:32:23.719 --> 02:32:26.799 When you look at the downloads on our interviews, it's 3060 02:32:26.840 --> 02:32:29.760 Tony Jones. He dominates. So good to have Tony back 3061 02:32:29.840 --> 02:32:32.479 in the fold. Chris com Ronnie's going to stop by 3062 02:32:32.479 --> 02:32:35.159 tomorrow because he's going to be out of pocket. Over 3063 02:32:35.399 --> 02:32:40.000 the course of the late weekdays. Amy Donaldson is also 3064 02:32:40.239 --> 02:32:42.479 going to stop by, so we'll cover all of our 3065 02:32:42.520 --> 02:32:45.079 bases there and then we're also going to be visited 3066 02:32:45.120 --> 02:32:49.360 and joined by some friends from the Olympic Legacy. Foundation, 3067 02:32:49.600 --> 02:32:57.000 So some non college football, non soccer, non NBA market 3068 02:32:57.040 --> 02:32:59.680 stuff with the folks from the Olympic Legacy Foundation. 3069 02:32:59.799 --> 02:33:01.280 So pretty busy show. 3070 02:33:01.280 --> 02:33:03.959 But of course Amy Chris and with the return of 3071 02:33:04.040 --> 02:33:05.559 Tony top of mind, can. 3072 02:33:05.440 --> 02:33:07.799 We get Tony to make some sort of Jared Butler 3073 02:33:07.920 --> 02:33:09.760 is going to be an All Star proclamation tomorrow. 3074 02:33:09.840 --> 02:33:14.280 A'll text Tony and say, just just humor us, give 3075 02:33:14.360 --> 02:33:19.360 us like something almost incendiary as far as hot takes go. 3076 02:33:20.479 --> 02:33:21.239 I'll give them heads up. 3077 02:33:21.239 --> 02:33:22.959 All right, I like it. I like it, so join it. 3078 02:33:23.040 --> 02:33:25.159 Join us for a Wednesday show. Got a fun Tuesday 3079 02:33:25.200 --> 02:33:28.079 night of action with Jazz Hoops World Series and RSL 3080 02:33:28.200 --> 02:33:30.520 take it on, Minnesota. We'll say good night in a 3081 02:33:30.520 --> 02:33:33.639 special thank you to Richard Smith, Tim McMahon, Kevin Reynolds, 3082 02:33:34.319 --> 02:33:37.040 Sam Brookhouse and Brian Dunseth. I've missed any of that. 3083 02:33:37.159 --> 02:33:39.879 Sound Head to the website. It's ESPN seven hundred Sports 3084 02:33:39.879 --> 02:33:40.360 dot com. 3085 02:33:40.399 --> 02:33:43.319 Make sure to download our mobile app and take us 3086 02:33:43.319 --> 02:33:43.639 on the go. 3087 02:33:43.719 --> 02:33:46.040 It's the ESPN seven hundred app and that's available in 3088 02:33:46.040 --> 02:33:48.079 the App Store or the Google Play Store. 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