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Speaker 1: It's been one of the greatest adventures having the opportunity

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to share conversations with those that are featured on NBC's

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The Voice. The podcast is called That Voice. It's ten

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years of those talks before they even made it to

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the finals. What was that like? Aro dot Net a

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R Roe dot Net. Enjoy the exploration. Good morning, Beth,

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how are you doing today?

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Speaker 3: I'm fine? Good morning, Aero man.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you have this way of getting

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inside a story to get to the soul of yet

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another story, which creates different conversations. I just love the

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way that you're using your journalistic just just integrity to

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bring things forward, and this is definitely one of them.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: You know, these are some challenging stories, getting people to

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open up and talk about them and also trying to

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figure out what the truth is because not every case

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that we do, every story that we do involve charged

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criminal conduct or even a crime, but most do.

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Speaker 3: But you get kind of figure out.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Like, this doesn't seem ripe? What is it? Well?

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Speaker 1: When you guys take on the look of death by

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detox all of a sudden, I mean there's a lot

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of us on this side that are doing supplements and

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we're going Am I even legal here? What's going on here?

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What is Beth going to share with me here? That's

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gonna open my heart?

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Speaker 2: So interesting you talk about that episode, because when I

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spoke with the defendant Robert Young from prison, I told him, look,

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you're speaking to the choir here and me because I

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am in that wellness world. I too take a lot

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of supplements and I drink juices and all that. That's great.

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We all need our nutrition and supplements help to supplement the.

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Speaker 3: Food we eat. But this guy Young, he just got

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a little greedy. He took it a step too far.

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Speaker 2: He was making a lot of money with his supplements

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and juices in his alkaline diet. No problem there, But

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then he started treating people with cancer illnesses, saying I

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can cure you, and so people believed him and stop

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their traditional treatment. He would fill them up with these

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with baking soda saving ivs. One woman died from over hydration,

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not dehydration. Over hydration. She was given too much like

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her body could process it right. There are other things

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going on with her. But he's not a medical doctor.

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Had he claims to have a PhD. From a correspondence course,

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but he was holding himself out. At least some people

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believed he had more of a medical background than he had,

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so that's what landed him in prison for a practicing

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medicine without a license. Don't worry, you're not doing anything wrong.

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Taking settlements.

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Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that this really reminds me of

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is is Neil diamond Song brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show.

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In the way that those guys who thought they had

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the cure are coming down here with these with these

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things that say, oh, we're going to make you feel better,

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and then they don't.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, the old day one hundred years ago,

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the elixirs that they were pedaling on the street. Right,

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you're alls, Yeah, that that is still happening, right, that

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is still happening. So you need to know what you're

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putting in your body and just make sure you do

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you know, do your vetting, and don't just assume that

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an advertisement that promotes a curate or something is accurate.

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You know, you need to do your homework. But it

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is a little it's a modern day version of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow. One of the things that I'm so inspired by

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you and all the times that we've shared conversations is

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the fact that you really truly believe that truth is

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stronger than fiction. But I've always wanted to ask you when, when,

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when you've got truth over fiction, how do you face friction?

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Because there's always going to be friction when you take

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on fiction.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I know that Robert Young isn't going to

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be happy with me.

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Speaker 3: In the show.

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Speaker 2: Because he's told me that he's cured people of cancer

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and he's giving me names of people. But he gave

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me that kind of late in the in the late

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in the in our production. But there he still has

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his believers. So yeah, there's always going to be detractors.

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But I stand by all of these episodes and where

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we come out. I mean, we did our best digging

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in and trying to get to the truth.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Beth Carross coming

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up next. It's another season of The Curious Case of

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on IDs. We are back with Beth Caress. When you

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share a conversation with someone like Robert how do you

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go into it knowing you're gonna smell the seat, but

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you cannot wear it on your face at all because

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he'll pick up on that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, uh, you know, fortunately this was a phone

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call because the video wasn't working at the prison, so

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he didn't see my phone. But good point, good point,

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the guy is smooth, he's good. I had him on speakerphone.

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The whole production team was listening, and they're like, oh,

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this guy's good, you know, like you know, people who

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are fraudsters are charismatic, right, That's how they get away

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with it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was prepared for him to hit me with you know,

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certain I was. I was prepared to cross examine him.

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Let's put it that way, as though I was in

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a court room dependent on the stand. So I did

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my homework. I had my facts in front of me.

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I had, you know, things I wanted to ask him about,

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but I didn't want to be too confrontational because he

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could just hang up. I mean, I wasn't a prosecutor

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in this case, right, I'm I'm just the journalist on

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the story. So I was ready to hit him with

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counterpoints and was able to sometimes. But he was, you know,

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a big talker to talk over me, and he was

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he's just real smooth.

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Speaker 1: Wow, which is the true side of a con artist,

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because that's one of my favorite things to do is

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to sit there and see if I can smell out

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the con artists, because you're right, they're good. And the

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thing about it is, though they're evolving, it's not who

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you think it is anymore.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I had a defense attorney friend in Chicago who told me,

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he said, but I represent these guys who are scamming

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banks or whatever, and he said, there are always one

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step ahead of you.

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Speaker 3: Yep, there are always one step Ahea.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's because they defrag. And what I

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mean by that defrag is is that we sit there

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behind tablets and we plant it out, planet out, planet out,

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planted out. Oh, how am I going to handle Beth

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if she comes knocking on my door?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I got bath handled. I'm going to plant it out

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even more. You're right, they are one step ahead of

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you and I.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And so you got to try to think

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like they do right to ferret it out.

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Speaker 3: But be just just always.

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Speaker 2: Be cautious, right, I mean, I don't want to tell

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people to be distrustful of everyone, but just to just

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be cautious. I mean, when I get these these texts

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and emails that I don't reckon. I just delete them.

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They tell me, oh that I owe money, I delete it.

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I know where I owe money, and I know when

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I don't owe money. Don't bother me. Delete.

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Speaker 1: Well. The new season has eight new curious cases, and

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one of them that's really caught my attention. I did

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not know you could become addicted to hypnosis. No wonder,

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I'm staying away from that stuff. I would get hooked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some of these students were really reliant on the

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school principle. He was hypnotizing them for testing performance or

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athletic performance, how to push through pain on the football field.

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These are tender, little developing brains, teenagers, right, And this guy,

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I think he thought he was doing good. I mean,

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the students were responsive to him, liked him. But he

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was certified and hypnosis a one week course. He wasn't licensed, right,

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like a hypnotherapist. A hypnotherapist can treat for anxiety, pain, performance, whatever.

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Not somebody who certified with one week of training. It

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was like a side hustle, like a hobby of his.

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I don't meant to do harm. He wanted to help them,

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but he wasn't qualified. He was not qualified, and it

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was disastrous for three students.

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Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show. I love

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what you're doing with your journalism skills. I love how

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you're reaching people because you know who we are on

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this side and you see us and that is so

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important to me.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Ero, I'll come back anytime you want.

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Speaker 1: Excellent. Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you too,