Speaker 1: It's been one of the greatest adventures having the opportunity
to share conversations with those that are featured on NBC's
The Voice. The podcast is called That Voice. It's ten
years of those talks before they even made it to
the finals. What was that like? Aro dot Net a
R Roe dot Net. Enjoy the exploration. Good morning, Beth,
how are you doing today?
Speaker 3: I'm fine? Good morning, Aero man.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you have this way of getting
inside a story to get to the soul of yet
another story, which creates different conversations. I just love the
way that you're using your journalistic just just integrity to
bring things forward, and this is definitely one of them.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 2: You know, these are some challenging stories, getting people to
open up and talk about them and also trying to
figure out what the truth is because not every case
that we do, every story that we do involve charged
criminal conduct or even a crime, but most do.
Speaker 3: But you get kind of figure out.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: Like, this doesn't seem ripe? What is it? Well?
Speaker 1: When you guys take on the look of death by
detox all of a sudden, I mean there's a lot
of us on this side that are doing supplements and
we're going Am I even legal here? What's going on here?
What is Beth going to share with me here? That's
gonna open my heart?
Speaker 2: So interesting you talk about that episode, because when I
spoke with the defendant Robert Young from prison, I told him, look,
you're speaking to the choir here and me because I
am in that wellness world. I too take a lot
of supplements and I drink juices and all that. That's great.
We all need our nutrition and supplements help to supplement the.
Speaker 3: Food we eat. But this guy Young, he just got
a little greedy. He took it a step too far.
Speaker 2: He was making a lot of money with his supplements
and juices in his alkaline diet. No problem there, But
then he started treating people with cancer illnesses, saying I
can cure you, and so people believed him and stop
their traditional treatment. He would fill them up with these
with baking soda saving ivs. One woman died from over hydration,
not dehydration. Over hydration. She was given too much like
her body could process it right. There are other things
going on with her. But he's not a medical doctor.
Had he claims to have a PhD. From a correspondence course,
but he was holding himself out. At least some people
believed he had more of a medical background than he had,
so that's what landed him in prison for a practicing
medicine without a license. Don't worry, you're not doing anything wrong.
Taking settlements.
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that this really reminds me of
is is Neil diamond Song brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show.
In the way that those guys who thought they had
the cure are coming down here with these with these
things that say, oh, we're going to make you feel better,
and then they don't.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, the old day one hundred years ago,
the elixirs that they were pedaling on the street. Right,
you're alls, Yeah, that that is still happening, right, that
is still happening. So you need to know what you're
putting in your body and just make sure you do
you know, do your vetting, and don't just assume that
an advertisement that promotes a curate or something is accurate.
You know, you need to do your homework. But it
is a little it's a modern day version of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow. One of the things that I'm so inspired by
you and all the times that we've shared conversations is
the fact that you really truly believe that truth is
stronger than fiction. But I've always wanted to ask you when, when,
when you've got truth over fiction, how do you face friction?
Because there's always going to be friction when you take
on fiction.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I know that Robert Young isn't going to
be happy with me.
Speaker 3: In the show.
Speaker 2: Because he's told me that he's cured people of cancer
and he's giving me names of people. But he gave
me that kind of late in the in the late
in the in our production. But there he still has
his believers. So yeah, there's always going to be detractors.
But I stand by all of these episodes and where
we come out. I mean, we did our best digging
in and trying to get to the truth.
Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Beth Carross coming
up next. It's another season of The Curious Case of
on IDs. We are back with Beth Caress. When you
share a conversation with someone like Robert how do you
go into it knowing you're gonna smell the seat, but
you cannot wear it on your face at all because
he'll pick up on that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, uh, you know, fortunately this was a phone
call because the video wasn't working at the prison, so
he didn't see my phone. But good point, good point,
the guy is smooth, he's good. I had him on speakerphone.
The whole production team was listening, and they're like, oh,
this guy's good, you know, like you know, people who
are fraudsters are charismatic, right, That's how they get away
with it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I was prepared for him to hit me with you know,
certain I was. I was prepared to cross examine him.
Let's put it that way, as though I was in
a court room dependent on the stand. So I did
my homework. I had my facts in front of me.
I had, you know, things I wanted to ask him about,
but I didn't want to be too confrontational because he
could just hang up. I mean, I wasn't a prosecutor
in this case, right, I'm I'm just the journalist on
the story. So I was ready to hit him with
counterpoints and was able to sometimes. But he was, you know,
a big talker to talk over me, and he was
he's just real smooth.
Speaker 1: Wow, which is the true side of a con artist,
because that's one of my favorite things to do is
to sit there and see if I can smell out
the con artists, because you're right, they're good. And the
thing about it is, though they're evolving, it's not who
you think it is anymore.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I had a defense attorney friend in Chicago who told me,
he said, but I represent these guys who are scamming
banks or whatever, and he said, there are always one
step ahead of you.
Speaker 3: Yep, there are always one step Ahea.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's because they defrag. And what I
mean by that defrag is is that we sit there
behind tablets and we plant it out, planet out, planet out,
planted out. Oh, how am I going to handle Beth
if she comes knocking on my door?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I got bath handled. I'm going to plant it out
even more. You're right, they are one step ahead of
you and I.
Speaker 2: That's right, And so you got to try to think
like they do right to ferret it out.
Speaker 3: But be just just always.
Speaker 2: Be cautious, right, I mean, I don't want to tell
people to be distrustful of everyone, but just to just
be cautious. I mean, when I get these these texts
and emails that I don't reckon. I just delete them.
They tell me, oh that I owe money, I delete it.
I know where I owe money, and I know when
I don't owe money. Don't bother me. Delete.
Speaker 1: Well. The new season has eight new curious cases, and
one of them that's really caught my attention. I did
not know you could become addicted to hypnosis. No wonder,
I'm staying away from that stuff. I would get hooked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of these students were really reliant on the
school principle. He was hypnotizing them for testing performance or
athletic performance, how to push through pain on the football field.
These are tender, little developing brains, teenagers, right, And this guy,
I think he thought he was doing good. I mean,
the students were responsive to him, liked him. But he
was certified and hypnosis a one week course. He wasn't licensed, right,
like a hypnotherapist. A hypnotherapist can treat for anxiety, pain, performance, whatever.
Not somebody who certified with one week of training. It
was like a side hustle, like a hobby of his.
I don't meant to do harm. He wanted to help them,
but he wasn't qualified. He was not qualified, and it
was disastrous for three students.
Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show. I love
what you're doing with your journalism skills. I love how
you're reaching people because you know who we are on
this side and you see us and that is so
important to me.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Ero, I'll come back anytime you want.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you too,