WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:06.639 Astonishing Legends Network Disclaimer. This episode includes the usual amount 2 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:09.560 of adult language and graphic discussions you've come to expect 3 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:12.480 around here, but in the event it becomes an unusual amount, 4 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:14.240 expect another call from me. 5 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:17.679 Hey, everybody, welcome back to Scaret all the time. I'm 6 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:21.079 Chris Colari and I'm for Cola. And this is our 7 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:25.440 second episode in our multi month Summer of Fear that 8 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:28.480 runs June through August. We kicked it off with a 9 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:32.000 look at Tsunamis in our last episode with the Ladies 10 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.479 of Drinking the kool Aid, and this week we are 11 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.200 getting up close and personal with a creature that might 12 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.640 be one of God's biggest mistakes outside of the Ocean. 13 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:45.359 Outside of the ocean, these are ticks. These biting, bloodsucking 14 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:48.359 bastards can spread disease and misery further and faster than 15 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:51.719 almost any other creature on Earth, with the exception of mosquitoes, 16 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:55.119 which we'll be looking at next summer under a microscope. 17 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:57.439 They look like monsters, and if you're unlucky enough to 18 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:00.320 get one burrowing under your skin this summer, you might 19 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:03.759 just find out how dangerous they can really be. From 20 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:07.120 lime disease to meet allergies to finding themselves at the 21 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:10.480 center of one of the most popular conspiracies of the 22 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:15.680 last I don't know fifty years. Ticks tick every box 23 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:19.000 on the summer of fear or on the fear tier, okay, 24 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.079 both both. They tick all the boxes, everywhere, all the time, 25 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:26.959 and then some. So put on your long pants, don't 26 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.480 forget your high socks, and join us for a sunny 27 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.200 walk through the fields of fear. But please stay away 28 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:34.879 from the long grass. We would really love it if 29 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:35.920 you survive the summer. 30 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:43.560 What are we screw? When are we all the time? Now? 31 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:47.239 Which is time for time? 32 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:49.480 So ed? 33 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:52.519 Yeah, chew that gummy bear, brother. 34 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.920 It's not it's mots fruit snack. If they want to sponsor. 35 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.840 Us, we're open for business. If you want to throw 36 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:02.879 an ad on an episode of about blood sucking iraknids. 37 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:03.319 It should be gushers. 38 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:07.359 It should be cushers. Yeah, ticks have our attention this summer. 39 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.919 They do every year. There's always at least one news 40 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:13.039 cycle with headlines that are like tick season is here 41 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:17.080 and it's worse than ever, or lime disease infections are up, 42 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.280 Hikers dropping dead of tickborn illnesses. 43 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.520 Ticks will get on you man. I was visiting a farm, 44 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:27.319 a tree farm, doing research on projects I'm working on 45 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.639 this past I don't know. It wasn't the summer, it 46 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.680 was later than the summer. But they told me they 47 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:35.680 also have like a dog, like a farm dog that 48 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.759 fuck every day they're covered in ticks. Yeah, when they 49 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.400 get home, like every day of working in the farm. Yeah. 50 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:42.879 And then they said they also have to go through 51 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.599 the dog. Who's a delightful little dog. Yeah, well not little, 52 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:47.319 but there's a delightful dog, and they would like have 53 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:48.439 to go through the whole dog too. 54 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.280 Yeah. Where is this tree farm? 55 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:52.240 Connecticut? Ah? 56 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.120 We talk a lot about Connecticut. 57 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:55.560 And I bet not an eystlime or anything, but it 58 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:58.159 is Connecticut. I don't know why I brought that up 59 00:02:58.159 --> 00:02:59.639 so fast, but I just thought about it. 60 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.639 It was the first thing on your mind. I said, ticks, 61 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.520 And you thought about the ticks eating this poor dog. 62 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.800 Well, I just thought about There are jobs where you're like, 63 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.319 I'm gonna run into ticks for sure every single fucking day. Yeah. 64 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:14.639 Yeah, Well, we don't have those kinds of jobs. Podcasting 65 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.680 is not one of those jobs. Even though I. 66 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:18.840 When we lose our houses then it will be out 67 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:20.280 in the field doing it for sure. 68 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.039 Yeah, even though I've lived in LA for almost twenty 69 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.439 years at this point, a place where ticks are not 70 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.120 the worst kind of bloodsucker you run across, I still 71 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.800 get grossed out at the thought of them. Growing up 72 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:33.199 in the woods on the East Coast installed ticks, I think, 73 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:37.120 is just a permanent fixture of my sonxiety programming. If 74 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:39.719 they aren't part of yours, they probably should be. They 75 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.919 are nasty little fuckers, crawling on our skin, getting under 76 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.199 our clothes, feeding off of us, and transmitting all kinds 77 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.439 of horrific blood board diseases. As one article I found 78 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.639 put it, quote, more than grizzly bears or mountain lions, 79 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.159 the ticks of spring threaten human incursions into the wild 80 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:58.400 and mark our sense of the living world as a 81 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.439 place that is not so friendly to us. After all. 82 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:05.120 I also learned that ticks aren't just a summer problem 83 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:07.759 I always thought they were. Ticks can be active on 84 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:10.800 winter days when ground temperatures are as low as forty 85 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:11.919 five degrees fahrenheit. 86 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:12.840 What are they doing out there? 87 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.319 Looking for food, looking to eat? 88 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:16.600 Do they only eat blood? 89 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:17.839 They only eat blood? 90 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:18.199 All right? 91 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.519 Well, that I knew about ticks. The fact that they 92 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:23.160 were active during the winter is one of the many 93 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.279 things I learned in this was going to be very 94 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:29.920 long episode about ticks. Jesus Man, I had no idea 95 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.399 how ancient they actually are. 96 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.600 I mean, I just said, Jesus Man, if they're ancient enough, 97 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:38.240 he might have been like kidney with these ticks, because 98 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.480 they walked everywhere, those guys him and those apostles. 99 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:42.560 Yeah, and in the in the this that's. 100 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.519 Why they're watching each other's feet. Yeah, they're like fucking covering. 101 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.759 Your coverings are everywhere. I had no idea how ancient 102 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.680 they are. I had no idea what they're actually doing 103 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:53.600 to your skin when they bite you. 104 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:54.240 Sure. 105 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.639 I definitely had no idea that they're making thousands of 106 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:58.199 Americans allergic to hamburgers. 107 00:04:58.319 --> 00:04:58.879 I'm sorry what? 108 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:01.079 And I sort of maybe the little inkling of an 109 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.480 idea how they were related to the Nazi scientists on 110 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.160 a secret government island off the coast of Connecticut. But 111 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.160 before we get into all that, Ed, what is your 112 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:10.079 history with tics? 113 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.319 I started it early that I've went to a farm. 114 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.879 Yeah, yeah, I heard. We covered the farm, the trees, 115 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.920 the dog combed, the dog the ticks. But as a 116 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:20.839 kid in Connecticut, every. 117 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.439 That was a check for tics when you get home 118 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.920 from this is you have to understand back when we 119 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:26.279 went outside to play and stuff. 120 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:27.920 Yeah, kids, these days, you know you're not going to 121 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:28.279 get a tick. 122 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.639 You're not getting unless you're playing marathon where ticks is 123 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:33.439 the name of a thing that chases you. Andy, we 124 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:37.600 keep calling them spiders, but apparently they're ticks. Yeah, it 125 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:41.279 was like check for tics, check for tics, check for tics. 126 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:43.600 That's like I heard that. Every day you get home 127 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.959 two things, you know, wash your hands you've been in public, 128 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:47.079 and check for ticks. 129 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:47.920 Did you ever find one? 130 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.600 Oh? Yeah? My mom would use like like burnt matchheads 131 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:52.160 to like get them out and then like and you 132 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.079 can't like crush them and stuff, so you got to 133 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:55.000 like put them in tape. 134 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.040 Tape is one way burnt matchheads. We get into this 135 00:05:58.120 --> 00:05:58.519 a little bit. 136 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:00.519 She might have just been burner for no reason. 137 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:02.800 She might have been I think she was. I think 138 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.040 Miss Vee was burning you for fun. 139 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.079 I will say every time I say anything, she hit 140 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.480 She listens to every episode. Then she's like, what sends 141 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:14.040 me a holy email? Like it wasn't really We're remembering. 142 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:15.920 We're not we're not, We're not putting dirt on your name. 143 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:20.600 But I did find that the match heads, the burning 144 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.000 them off is really not a recommended way to get 145 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:28.079 them off and apparently pretty uneffective. Ineffective. Now I only 146 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.240 had one tick. Well, I found a lot of ticks 147 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:32.879 growing up. I had one guy. 148 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.800 As harry as you You never saw ticks. No, I 149 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.240 kind of hidden there because you gotta feel around. 150 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.959 I found them, but I only ever had one that 151 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:42.120 really dug in. 152 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.480 It was like a problem, Oh, like you try and 153 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:45.959 get out with sweezers and his head stays in. 154 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.000 Did you have one of those ever? 155 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:50.360 I think it came up. I don't know if that happened, 156 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:52.319 but I'm saying I think there was a lot of 157 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:56.279 protocol about, like, right, make sure the head doesn't stay in. 158 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:57.879 I remember that much. 159 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:02.040 I remember this one because A as far as I remember, 160 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.120 it's the only tick that ever really dug in on me. 161 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:04.600 And B. 162 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.240 I was in like fifth or sixth grade. I came 163 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.800 back from a hike at my grandparents in Massachusetts, and 164 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.680 when I got undressed to take a shower, I found 165 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:15.399 it on my butt. 166 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.519 Yeah, they go to butt's balls. They go to spots. 167 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:23.879 I remember having my shorts like my butt exposed to 168 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.160 my grandmother as. 169 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:27.959 For a long year age. 170 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:29.519 I was like, this was like fifth or sixth grade, 171 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:31.439 like the age where you don't want to be showing 172 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:36.000 your ass your grandmother at all. And there was much 173 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.639 discussion and to do of how are we getting this 174 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.720 thing out? Are we going to use tweezers or we've 175 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.360 done grandma, Yeah, we're got to burn it off. And 176 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.519 I don't remember how they eventually did get I think 177 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.160 it was tweezers that she managed to like pinch the 178 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.680 head and make sure it came fully out. But and 179 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:54.360 I never got sick and every went to the hospital. 180 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.680 It wasn't the most horrific experience. And to be honest, 181 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.639 I think that being the worst tick ex I ever 182 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.560 had kind of set me up to grow up thinking 183 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.600 that ticks weren't really that big of a deal. 184 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.639 Yeah, but there was a boogeyman element to them that 185 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:10.399 they had to have been a big deal, Like there 186 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.879 was so much to do about checking for ticks when 187 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.160 you get home our whole lives, that it wouldn't be 188 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.240 for just because we don't like the way they look. 189 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:19.839 No, and we have one. 190 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:23.120 We have one family friend, Yeah, who's got line disease. 191 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:24.560 And for I don't know if it was from a tick, 192 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.360 it must be probably, I don't know, but it is 193 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:31.040 a truly debilitating disease. And so if I see a tick, 194 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:32.200 I'm a punch in his face. 195 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:34.320 Yeah, we're gonna spend the rest of this episode talking 196 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:37.600 about all the reasons I grew up not being afraid 197 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.960 enough of ticks, because not everyone is as lucky as 198 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:44.080 I was. And to understand how a bug the size 199 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.440 of a pencil tip. If you live somewhere where you've 200 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.200 never seen a tick, these things are fucking tiny. That's 201 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:53.919 part of why people have to check so carefully because 202 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:57.080 they are easy to miss, especially if you have hairy 203 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.840 legs like I do, or you know, even if you 204 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:02.799 like freckles, a lot of freckles, they'll blend right the 205 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:03.840 fucking Yeah. 206 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.799 Brad Paisley, the country artist, has a song that's I 207 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.840 might even be called Ticks. The kind of gross but 208 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.679 funny premise of the song is he like kind of 209 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:18.320 wants to like be with a lady, and it was like, hey, 210 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.120 we can take Tar's clothes off and check each other 211 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.759 for ticks is essentially the like premise is like, hey, 212 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:25.639 that's something we all have to do around here, check 213 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:27.960 for ticks. Yeah, how fun could it be with each other? 214 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:29.759 Country music stays winning. 215 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.879 It's Yeah, I'm Brad Paisley's the best. I love Brad Paisley. 216 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.200 But it's a silly, silly song. But I hadn't thought 217 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.360 about it in a minute. Yeah, it's gross, but it's. 218 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.240 A pretty fun. It's a good, good concept for a song. 219 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.919 But to understand we first we first have to understand 220 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.039 what a tick is to understand why they're so dangerous. 221 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.000 So I think people know the basics. They are tiny 222 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:52.600 little parasites. They feed on the blood of mammals, birds, 223 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.559 reptiles and amphibians and all reptiles. Yeah, reptiles, Oh. 224 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:58.480 My god, just a lizard with a tick on it, 225 00:09:58.559 --> 00:09:59.759 and what is happening? 226 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.600 They are not insects, they are araknids. 227 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:04.120 So the spider family. 228 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.840 They're the spider family, the scorpion family. All that really 229 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:09.919 means is that they have four pairs of legs as 230 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.759 adults and no antenna. But I think being sucked on 231 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.200 by a spider parasite is just definitively worse. 232 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.840 Than they suck on other rachnids. That's a good question, 233 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:20.440 like cannibalistic. 234 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:21.919 They I don't think they feed on each other. They 235 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.480 might feed on a spider. I don't know spiders. How 236 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.480 much blood does a spider have? I don't think I. 237 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:28.720 Can imagine there's a lot of blood, don't don't. I 238 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.559 can't imagine a scorpion being like, what's that? What are 239 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:33.879 you doing, Bud? Like, what's that conversation? A scorpion? But 240 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:34.519 get away from me? 241 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:36.240 Yeah, yeah, I don't. 242 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:38.679 I don't think they have any blood. 243 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:42.120 Feed on any other insects. It's really just creatures with 244 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:46.000 a lot of flowing blood. While all ticks are araknids, 245 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.639 there are two main families of ticks. There are hard ticks. 246 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.879 Those are the ones we can't we can't kill, put 247 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:51.399 them in tape. 248 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:56.279 Yes, yeah, yeah. The EXO, the EXO skeletons, the IXO 249 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.679 to die family, EXO to die. 250 00:10:58.960 --> 00:10:59.360 I don't know. 251 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:03.000 I'm trying to be better about mispronounciation. One so I've 252 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.200 been looking up how to pronounce a lot of I'll 253 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.360 tell you this. It's spelled I x O D I 254 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.840 D A E x so did die? 255 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.080 All right? Well, they're the cod tics. 256 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.200 Hard ticks. They're the kind you see in your mind's 257 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:17.039 eye when you If you've ever seen a tick, it's 258 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.799 probably one of these. They look like a very very tiny, 259 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:23.960 nearly flat crab basically, yeah, with a hard little plate 260 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:27.320 on their back. Deer ticks that give you lime. The 261 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.440 lone Star tick that we'll talk about later, the American dog. 262 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:31.919 Ticks, lone Star tick in Texas. 263 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:37.039 You'd think you'd think, Okay, all hard ticks. We're gonna 264 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.039 talk a lot about hard ticks on this show. 265 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.000 Should go well for the automatic transcription. 266 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there are soft ticks. 267 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:49.559 The family are We're going to get some interesting ad options. 268 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.879 Yeah yeah, blue chees like guys. You can't help but 269 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.120 notice you've been talking a lot about soft dicks. 270 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:59.600 Yeah, hard dicks. Both of those are our business. And 271 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:03.799 one of your host is literally named Ed. Yeah, call 272 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:04.200 us up. 273 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.600 The business opportunities here. Ed. It's a it's a rich area. 274 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.879 It's a rich it's a rich area. So the soft 275 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:16.440 ticks are Gossidaye family are crazy looking. I don't think 276 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.000 I've ever seen a soft tick before. 277 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:21.120 I would love if you not turn your computer around. 278 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:22.240 I never want to see a soft tick. 279 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:29.200 Some people describe them as flattened raisins, flaccid raisins, flattened raisins, 280 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:34.200 raisins already a flattened grape. Well, it's the hydrated grape, 281 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:38.559 it is. But these are even flatter than raisins. They 282 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:42.200 mostly live in caves and bird nests and animal burrows, 283 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:46.120 and feed in quick spurts rather than the multi day 284 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.759 siege that a hard tick would prefer. Soft ticks are 285 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.200 generally not a problem for humans, I guess, unless maybe 286 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.120 someone replaces all your raisins with them, in which case, who. 287 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.799 Shrunk my raisins? Yeah, we spend as much time in 288 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:01.960 caves or bird nests. 289 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.440 No, All hard ticks and most of the soft ones 290 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.200 share the same basic life cycle from egg to larvae 291 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:12.720 to nymph to adult. Now, this is one of the 292 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:16.159 first big things that I learned. Each stage of that 293 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.559 life cycle, the tick requires a single blood meal in 294 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.039 order to molt and move to the next se I 295 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.679 need to feed four times. Basically, they feed three or 296 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:27.480 four times over the course of their whole lives. 297 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:31.320 Yeah, so triple unlucky if you're getting eaten, What do 298 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.320 you mean, like it's I guess there's probably a lot 299 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:34.919 of ticks, but I was just gonna say that, like, 300 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:36.799 you know, they only need to eat four times, like 301 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.120 you're one of their four meals. Like that's unlucky for 302 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:40.879 you that you happen to be caught in that weird 303 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:42.039 moment when they need to eat. 304 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:44.080 Like, well, yeah, you're right, there are there's I don't 305 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:46.200 I didn't look up how much I'm asquilo. I didn't 306 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.360 look up how many ticks exist on planet Earth. But 307 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.120 it's not surprising that you might have more than one 308 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:53.519 feed on you. But it is a it is a 309 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.639 meaningful parasitic relationship in the sense that you are directly 310 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.240 helping this thing. Oh, I guess you could look at 311 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.200 it that way and turn you're dying. 312 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.399 It's taking away everything that makes you. 313 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.279 It's drinking grow literal juice of your life. 314 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:08.679 Yeah. 315 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.519 According to CDC, some tick species, like the brown dog tick, 316 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:14.879 which may have been feeding on your four legged friend 317 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:16.879 that you were talking about, prefer to feed on the 318 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:21.480 same host during all life stages. So these dog ticks 319 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:23.480 are lazy, disgusting little freaks. 320 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.080 Yeah, or they're not lazy, you know what I mean. 321 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.679 If if they prefer it and they commit to It're 322 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.840 they're asking for a change of address and information and stuff. 323 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:32.600 Like, well they're committing. 324 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:37.039 There might be like a Homeward Bound style Pixar movie 325 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:38.759 about it trying to. 326 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:40.919 Like Kick who gets separated from his dog? 327 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:44.480 Yeah, like it's slinky dog, Yeah from Toys Story. 328 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.360 All the other ticks or lots of other ticks need 329 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.279 to feed on a different animal for each of these 330 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.480 blood meals that they have to do. So a baby 331 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.679 tick hatches from an egg. It finds a small host 332 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.879 like a mouse or a bird, latches on, drinks its 333 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.679 multi day blood meal, drops off molts into a nymph. 334 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:08.080 A nymph finds a slightly bigger host, latches on, takes 335 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.679 a multi day blood meal, drops off molts into an 336 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:14.720 adult and then adult ticks find the biggest hosts, and 337 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.480 in the woods of the eastern United States, the biggest 338 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:22.960 host is either a deer or you and the female. 339 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:26.000 It's mostly the females that feed on blood. It seems 340 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:26.440 like the males. 341 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.360 I don't know why. I just in my mind there 342 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:30.159 was no sexiest to these things. 343 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.919 They were really when you see it, I can't imagine 344 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.720 the trouble. It would be too sex a tick. Yeah, 345 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.240 to figure out what we're looking at. It's hard enough. 346 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.039 On dart frogs a tick, you definitely need a microscope. 347 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:47.200 But the female takes one final massive blood meal before 348 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.399 laying somewhere between two thousand and eighteen thousand eggs. 349 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.120 All right, so it's not that rare, and there's a 350 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:53.759 lot of ticks out there, there's a lot of Each 351 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.240 one of these is dropping eighteen thousand fucking babies. 352 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.399 Yeah, most of them don't survive because, yeah, because they 353 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.519 need to find all these different creatures to feed on, 354 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.720 and that's a difficult thing for them. The only saving 355 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.360 grace here, I think is that, unlike vampires, all this 356 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.399 blood drinking doesn't really do anything to extend the ticks 357 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:17.039 life span very far. They die young. Most ticks don't 358 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:20.720 live any longer than three years. So although I wonder 359 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:22.960 if they did live longer than three years, if they 360 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.399 just have to keep finding bigger and bigger animals until 361 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.639 they become the size of a rabbit hanging off of 362 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:29.759 an elephant or something. 363 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.440 Disgusting. I hate what I'm hearing. How do you think 364 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.200 they found out the three year like? It was like 365 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.279 a documentary crew followed one tick from Larva. 366 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:42.440 To There are people who study parasitic animals. We'll get 367 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:44.519 into well, we're not going to touch on it too much, 368 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.519 but there are scientists who study these things and who 369 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.960 you know, really ticks get a lot of attention because 370 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.919 they spread disease so far and so quickly that they've 371 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.279 been studied intensely to figure out how do we stop this? 372 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.159 You know, what can we do to make sure people 373 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:05.759 don't catch these diseases? How long do they live? For 374 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.440 people who are invested in making sure that humans don't 375 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:15.079 get tickborn diseases, the lifespan being three years or five years, 376 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.279 or ten years or twenty years, that makes a huge 377 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:20.440 difference in how you're, you know, going about treating these things. 378 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.519 So they've they've been studied quite a bit. But for 379 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.319 those three years, ticks are on the war path and 380 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.720 out for blood. They can't fly or jump, thank god, truly, 381 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:34.319 although I remember, I don't remember who told me this 382 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:35.759 or when, but there was a point when I was 383 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:37.599 a kid that I was told that they fall on 384 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:38.440 you from trees. 385 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.799 They could. I don't know why. They doesn't require the 386 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:43.559 ability to fly, just a fall. 387 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:45.559 It is just a fall, but they don't do. I 388 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.680 think I think that sort of urban myth about ticks 389 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.519 got started because they are often found feeding on human scalps. 390 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:53.880 But I think they just crawl up there. 391 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.000 They do just crawl up there. That's the really gross 392 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:57.680 thing about it, finding a tick on your scalp. 393 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:59.720 They're cruising around. They start at the feet. 394 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.720 Yeah, the knowledge of knowing, oh, this tick's been on me. 395 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.839 For a while. What and they're smart enough to know, 396 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.240 go scalp, go somewhere you're hiding. They can they have 397 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.640 not traditional smart maybe yeah what. 398 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:16.519 I they're not doing advanced physics. Yeah, they do have 399 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:21.319 a lot of organs that can sense the things warmth, 400 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:23.960 I think carbon dioxide. Like, they have the ability to 401 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:27.160 sense where they should be rooting around to get their 402 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:27.680 next meal. 403 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:28.200 Okay. 404 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:33.279 They hunt by performing a move called questing, which is 405 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.559 a pretty impressive feed of strength. 406 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:38.359 But also in the video game parlance of it all 407 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:40.720 is how they live their life. Yes, unless you're the 408 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:43.279 brown tick dog or whatever you're like, and now I 409 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.440 need to find another creature. And it was like each 410 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.400 one in the reward at the end of this quest 411 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:49.440 is like molt. 412 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.279 Yeah, it really is a leveling up system. Of you know, 413 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.799 you gotta go grind, you gotta get your XP and 414 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.200 you got to become the next thing. They perform this 415 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.359 move called quest, which is a pretty impressive feet of 416 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:05.799 strength for something their size. So they climb up under 417 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:07.759 the tip of a blade of grass or a leaf 418 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.559 or a low hanging branch or something. They hold on 419 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:13.200 to that leaf with their back legs and then they 420 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.079 stick their front legs straight out in the air in 421 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:20.319 sort of this like spread eagle Jesus on the cross posey. 422 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:22.079 And if you're watching the video, see this is why 423 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:23.920 you guys, you got to sign up for the YouTube channel. 424 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:24.519 You gotta see. 425 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:27.279 I don't know a frame, but. 426 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:29.640 I'll go this way, I'll go this way. But they 427 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.240 stick out like this spread eagle Jesus on the cross posts, 428 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:35.720 and the front legs have organs called Holler's organs or 429 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:40.359 Howler's organs that can sense carbon dioxide, body heat, and vibration, 430 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:43.480 so they're almost like their legs become almost little antennas, 431 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:45.400 and they just dangle them out there in the air. 432 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.200 They just stand there waiting for warm blooded life to pass, 433 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.640 and then when it does, they grab on climb aboard. 434 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:54.000 When do they come down from the grass. At what 435 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.319 point are they like, I've been waving my arms for days. 436 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.839 Yeah, I assume it's like a nine to five. 437 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.000 Yeah. They then they'd clock in, They go down the grass, 438 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:04.960 and then they get in a fight with their dick 439 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.480 siblings to tick spouse, and then they get back up 440 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:10.119 there the next day. Because there's a lot of places 441 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.200 where nothing ever walks by. Probably probably yeah, And you know, 442 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:14.720 to go to the other side of the yard might 443 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.920 be a seven year journey for a little tick. Yeah. 444 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.839 According to the CDC, some ticks will attach quickly and 445 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.799 others will wander looking for places like the ear or 446 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:29.440 other areas where the skin is thinner. Oh yeah, they'll 447 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:31.960 get in there. They'll get right in that ear feeling. 448 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.440 Believe that I've had ears as long as I have 449 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:41.200 and have not you know, knock on Wood really had 450 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:43.119 as far as I know stuff living in there. I've 451 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:48.480 seen enough like episodes of of Er or like stuff 452 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:50.160 where it's like, oh, I've got like an itching noise 453 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.599 in my ear and then they pull it out. It's 454 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.960 like ooz a full of cockroach. It died four days ago. Yeah, 455 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:57.119 I'm just surprised that all our holes aren't filled at 456 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:00.880 all times. That is what I'm saying, considering everything so small, 457 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:03.079 they could be. So they say you swallow like eight 458 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:06.000 spiders a year or something. Yeah, I don't remember how 459 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.200 that landed in Our Spider's episode of that was true 460 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.559 or not, but I don't either. We did look it up, 461 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:11.400 but I don't remember. 462 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.000 Yeah. Yeah, no, our holes could be filled with hard ticks. 463 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.839 Soft ticks, yeah, I think. 464 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.000 Hard probably a better chance. 465 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:23.680 Once the tick finds a seat at the table, that 466 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.160 is when the really nasty shit starts, because unlike a 467 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.640 mosquito that basically just stabs you, drinks for a second 468 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:34.640 and flies off, a tick is basically doing surgery on 469 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.359 you and then moving. In per an article I found 470 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.000 on PubMed Central, the tick has three main mouth parts. 471 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.519 The two outer pieces called palps, helps sense where to 472 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:50.000 dig in. The two middle blades are called shelissira, which 473 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.319 the tick uses to literally slice open your skin like 474 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:56.440 a little scalpel okay. And then in the center of 475 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.960 those three pieces is the real like hr Geiger night 476 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:04.359 mare piece, the hypostome, which is a barbed needle like 477 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.960 spike covered in rows of backwards facing teeth, so. 478 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:09.680 It's the little mouth that comes out in alien. 479 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:13.240 Yes, basically, except this little mouth instead of shoving a 480 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.400 stomach or a face hugger down your throat or I 481 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:17.599 don't think it does that, just. 482 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:19.400 A little mouth and alien. It's just like a weird 483 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:21.599 small that comes out. 484 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.119 Yeah, I always, I guess I always assume that the 485 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.480 purpose of that was to shove the egg down your throat. 486 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.440 No, because the egg is a completely separate thing that 487 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:31.000 face huggers come out of. 488 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:31.839 That's a good point. 489 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.519 Yeah, the face hugger is the delivery method. Then you 490 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:38.480 are the host. You burst out, and the last life 491 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.160 cycle of the thing that grew in you is an 492 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:45.039 alien that has a smaller alien on a rail in. 493 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.440 Its mouth, which they made for great toys. 494 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:48.799 Though they made for good toys. 495 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.759 So yes, this the hypostome is sort of like the 496 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:54.559 thing that comes out of the alien's mouth and alien, 497 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.599 except it is barbed and covered in needles and covered 498 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:58.799 in backwards facing teeth. 499 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.920 I imagine's barbed so it doesn't like fly off you. 500 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:03.480 Yeah, it drives it in and then you can't pull 501 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.240 us fish hook. Now, those three mouthparts are just to 502 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:10.440 make sure it's attached long enough to do the really 503 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:15.119 hard work of actually cementing itself to your body. I 504 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:16.039 had no idea they did. 505 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:17.240 So the barbs is not cement. 506 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.160 The barbs is not cement. It's not just the cut 507 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:24.119 and the spike. Ticks are also part construction worker, and 508 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:27.160 they use what it's called literally tick cement to make 509 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.799 sure that they stay attached to you. 510 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.319 So they secrete something. 511 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.359 Yes, the University of Rhode Island runs a public health 512 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:37.279 project called tick Encounter, and they have a write up 513 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:40.359 on how this works. It is colorfully titled when I 514 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.480 pulled this tick off, my skin came with it, and 515 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:46.559 it is probably the most informational piece of body horror 516 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:50.400 I've ever read. So quote, ticks could begin secreting cement 517 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:54.319 within five to thirty minutes of attachment, and that concrete 518 00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:58.759 comes in what the article calls flavors. There's cone cement, 519 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.799 which is deposited first and hardens rapidly, and then after 520 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:06.319 about a day, the tick begins secreting cortical cement, which 521 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:11.000 hardens more slowly. The pattern of cement deposits varies among 522 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:13.200 types of ticks, and the degree to which the cement 523 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:17.119 infiltrates the host epidermis and dermis or. Your skin also 524 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:21.279 differs by species, and this species specific pattern of cement 525 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:25.400 deposition also probably helps determine just how much of you 526 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:30.039 comes off along with the tick, even when removed correctly. 527 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:32.839 With tweezers, yeah, because you don't realize that you're all 528 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.599 so it's not. It's probably just taking the smallest amount 529 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.160 of top layer skin off and not that we wouldn't 530 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:38.960 even notice. 531 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:43.440 Potentially, this article made it sound like skin comes off, 532 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:46.720 but you know that may depend on again the size 533 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:48.640 of tick, how much cement it secretes. 534 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:50.519 I mean, I can't imagine you're pulling it off and 535 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:52.559 then just like a fruit by the foot ribbon of 536 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.079 skins all the way down your arm. 537 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:58.200 No, it doesn't. I don't think the tick attaches itself 538 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:00.279 so much that you can peel your skin off. 539 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.079 Banana, that's the way this articles making it sound. But 540 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.279 banana might be one of those cement flavors. 541 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.720 Yeah, it doesn't mention which flavor tastes better, but it 542 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.319 does sound like it can be very painful sometimes to 543 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.160 remove the full tick. Some ticks, like the lazy American 544 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:19.319 dog ticks we mentioned earlier quote secrete additional deposits of 545 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:23.559 cement in various dimensions onto the skin's surface, forming flat 546 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:27.759 lateral flangies that aggregate on the skin and help secure 547 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:31.079 the attachment of the ticks with shorter mouth parts to 548 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.319 their hosts. But it also means that more skin is 549 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.680 likely to be sacrificed when removing those kinds of ticks. 550 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.240 I don't like fuck these ticks, man, Yeah, but I 551 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.000 like downlike their whole The whole thing sucks. 552 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:46.200 While it's glued. They do suck. Hey, Okay, while this 553 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:49.440 thing is glued to you, it's pumping basically a chemical 554 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.279 cocktail that you would like find in a hospital into 555 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:55.720 your bloodstream. There's anesthetics so you don't feel the bite. 556 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.559 Okay, just like leeches. Leeches do something similar. 557 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.559 I feel like, Yes, there's anticoagulants I was thinking of 558 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.160 keep the blood flowing. Yeah, and immunosuppressants so that your 559 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.039 body doesn't notice that it's there. 560 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.079 Yeah. So it's also not like, hey, a foreign infection. Yeah, 561 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.759 we should send something from osmosis jones down there. 562 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.640 Exactly. They just hang out and your body is none 563 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:15.000 the wise. 564 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:17.640 This is ridiculous. This is like if a cat burglar 565 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.400 had the ability to cut the window. You know in 566 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.000 their body and then also not be seen by any 567 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.039 security cameras once it's in the jewelry place. 568 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:27.799 Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. 569 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.519 That's crazy. That would be the most dangerous burglar in 570 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:32.839 the world. They would never get caught. 571 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:34.880 Well, the difference is the burglar needs to get in 572 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.440 and out. That's the whole point. The tick wants to 573 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.559 stay attached to you for as long as possible. 574 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.480 Is that shanging say in the movie it was perfectly fine, roofman. 575 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.599 This is a roofman tick. It inst for a while. 576 00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:48.440 It's true the criminal that moves in. 577 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:52.759 Because unlike mosquitos, the point of doing all of this is, well, 578 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.759 like mosquitos, they want to get to your blood, but 579 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:58.640 unlike mosquitos, they're not tapping a vein and just drinking. 580 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:02.319 They want to hang out. So these ticks use their 581 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.440 shellisea ray, those little scalpels that they have on their 582 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.559 mouth to cut your blood vessels open, and then they 583 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.160 sit there with their face basically in a pool of 584 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:16.000 blood that wells up from under your skin. Okay, biologists 585 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.920 call them pool feeders because a tick doesn't really drink 586 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.960 your blood so much as it bathes in it. No, 587 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.960 depending on the species, ticks will suck this blood anywhere 588 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.480 from minutes to days, which. 589 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:31.160 Is well, I need to know about the minutes, what 590 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.839 blood type there's gop no, thank you? You know what 591 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.640 I mean? Like every other tick's there. For a while, 592 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:37.319 I was like, what the hell was wrong with that guy? 593 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:39.720 I got in a pool of this disgusting blood and 594 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.039 I got out of there. Yeah. 595 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.240 I would imagine the ticks that are picky enough that 596 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.200 they're out of there after a few minutes probably don't 597 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:46.920 live very long. 598 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.799 I mean, or they're alone like us, well, like me. 599 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:54.359 There might there might be. There's probably some more research 600 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:56.759 about because a lot of the research I read definitely 601 00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:58.680 makes it sound like ticks are there for the long haul. 602 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.079 So this particular biology saying minutes to days, I don't know. 603 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.160 Maybe he means hundreds of thousands of minutes, or maybe 604 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.319 there's just some rare species of tick. 605 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.720 Or some species it gets on only lives minutes. 606 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:12.680 Possibly possibly, I don't know what the point of that 607 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:13.079 would be. 608 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:16.119 They don't know, they knew, we know nothing about most 609 00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.839 of these I'm saying, like they don't know, like ticks 610 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:20.359 don't know they don't know what they're getting on. 611 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.960 That's that's true. They don't know the difference between. 612 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.519 They might get on a fucking dog that's sick, a 613 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.799 deer that was like just came into the woods to 614 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.359 die alone. Yeah, and then it's like I got one 615 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.000 and then it was like this blood turned real coal 616 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.160 all of a sudden. Oh no, I think it's dead. 617 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.000 I should leave. Can they take dead blood? 618 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.079 That's a good question. I actually I don't know. I 619 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:44.079 would assume that you could probably get a tick to 620 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.920 feed on recently deceased or blood for no. 621 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:48.599 I think the leeches came up in leeches. I think 622 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.319 they were like not into it. Did we do leeches? Yeah, 623 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.079 if you did it. Well, we talked about leeches and 624 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:53.880 New Fair un Locked. 625 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:55.759 Oh right, I was gonna say, because we were got. 626 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.519 I was I had leeches on the Summer of Fear 627 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:01.599 for this year, and I booted them for ticks. But 628 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:03.079 leeches will come up again someday. 629 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:04.440 Yeah, it'd be weird if I just knew all this 630 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.279 stuff about leeches. Yeah, I don't know about it because you 631 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:08.079 told me all of it. 632 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.559 We did do leeches on New Fair Unlocked about people 633 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:11.240 who only. 634 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.079 Pets they have little leashes for them. Yeah. 635 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.240 Go, if you haven't listened to that episode yet, make 636 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:17.880 sure you check it out. It's crazy. 637 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.680 It'll make you feel great about all the decisions you 638 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:22.160 make because you're like, at least I'm not a person 639 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.160 who owns a leash. Yeah, I'm sorry, a leech leash. 640 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:30.039 Yeah. So, all this time that ticks spend bathing in 641 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:34.279 your blood is part of why they are so prone 642 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.839 to carrying blood born infections, because they have lots of 643 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:43.359 time to soak up any disease that might be lingering 644 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:47.279 in one animal system and then pass it on to 645 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.279 the next person or creature. Okay, just a quick list 646 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.519 of the diseases Jesus man the ticks carry. We're not 647 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:57.359 going to talk about all of them in detail, but 648 00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.960 trust me, none of them are good. We've got alpha 649 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.880 a gal syndrome, and a plasmosis, babe ceosis, bourbon virus, 650 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:06.279 Colorado ticks. 651 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.920 All of these sound awesome, by the way, we're talking 652 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:13.200 bourbon babes alphas. Yeah, this should all be in the manisphere. 653 00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:14.799 Why are we talking about this? 654 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:19.559 Andrew Tate is like I've I have given myself bourbon virus. Yeah, 655 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:21.799 he probably wouldn't appreciate an alpha gal. 656 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.359 But yeah, he wouldn't understand it, couldn't wrap his little 657 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:24.960 head around it. 658 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.319 But babe ciosis and bourbon virus back. 659 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.559 To those would be those they would trick him in 660 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.720 some sort of He would be entrapped by they be like, hey, 661 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:33.359 you have what there? 662 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.400 I feel like you could have gotten Alex Jones to 663 00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.960 sell one of those as a pill or something as 664 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:40.400 as over as one of his supplements. 665 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.240 Honestly, we'll sell him as a pill. If call us 666 00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:45.319 sounds like we haven't heard from who do we want? 667 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.559 Earlier grapes and mots. So if we don't hear from Mots, 668 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:49.559 we'll take babe virus. 669 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:51.960 We wanted blue Chow, blue Choo and the babe virus 670 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.440 go to get a hand in hand. 671 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.160 Yeah, if we don't hear from blue Choo by the 672 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.319 end of the day, we'll take alpha gel babe virus. Well, 673 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.880 not take it, we'll take it to sell. Got you kah, Yeah, 674 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:02.039 I don't want these items. 675 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.000 In addition to the fun ones, we've got Colorado tick. 676 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:09.000 Fever also fun sounding erlachiosis first one it sounds gross. 677 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:13.920 Hard tick relapsing fever. Second one it sounds gross, heartland virus, 678 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:20.799 that bad lime disease, the worst you can be, powacin virus, Ricketsia, parkeri, ricketosis, 679 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:26.200 rocky mountain, spotted fever, soft tick, relapsing fever, a disease 680 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.440 called starry that's just capital sta r. 681 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:30.720 I yeah, that can't be helping. 682 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:36.599 That soda tularima or sorry, tullerama, okay, and three sixty 683 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:39.599 four D ricketziosis. 684 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.480 Oh my god, that would give them space ticks. Yeah, 685 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:46.000 I do so. Colorado must be up there with Connecticut 686 00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:47.960 in terms of tick fever because there's a lot of 687 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.160 Colorado yes stuff in there. 688 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:54.559 Any any place. I think the heartland Colorado all this rot, 689 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:58.799 but they've got lots of grassy, open spaces where these 690 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.279 ticks are hanging out. I think is part of it. Sure, 691 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.200 and yet none of these are good, despite how fun 692 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.640 some of them do sound. I'd love to see the 693 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.519 babe ciosis with three sixty four D richziosis. That would 694 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:15.839 bet it an anime girl. Before we dive into all 695 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.599 of the really terrible illnesses, I should note that it 696 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.000 is not just humans and modern animals that have had 697 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.039 to contend with ticks. We have evidence that tics have 698 00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:29.680 been around since the age of the dinosaurs. In twenty seventeen, 699 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:34.240 a team of paleontologists led by Enrique Penelverer published a 700 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:38.240 paper describing five fossil ticks that they'd found preserved in 701 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.799 ninety nine million year old Burmese amber. And one of 702 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.559 these ticks. Amber doesn't get enough credit, It really doesn't. 703 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.400 One of these ticks had been frozen mid grasp holding 704 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.680 on to a feather. The amber dates to the middle 705 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.519 of the Cretaceous, so that feather did not belong to 706 00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.240 a modern bird. That feather belonged to a dinosaur. Erican 707 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.519 Museum of Natural History has an article about this find 708 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:04.480 where it's noted that they don't know what kind of 709 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.920 dinosaur the feather belonged to. It was not a chicken. 710 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.920 Promise you was not a chicken. I don't know that 711 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.519 anything with feathers would not have been a modern bird. 712 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.279 At the time. There may have been very bird like dinosaurs, 713 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.480 but you know, we're talking Archaeopteryx maybe, which I don't 714 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.920 know if that was a Cretaceous dinosaur or not, but 715 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:26.680 plenty of other dinosaurs had feathers. That's something that they're 716 00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.039 still studying and we're learning more about all the time. 717 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.319 I almost feel like we should have something that we design, 718 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.880 not you and I, but society that one day a 719 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.000 year and you're not going to be told when it is, 720 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.279 and it'll be a very small area, so you're just 721 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:44.359 very unlucky if you're there at the time. A massive 722 00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.240 amount of amber is just dropped from the sky and 723 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.400 that way we can just be like, and that's what 724 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.000 a day in the life here was in a million years. 725 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.640 Oh okay, So when you say when you said amber, 726 00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:57.519 I thought you meant like rocks, like already hardened amber. 727 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.839 You mean tree sap, Yeah, I like, yeah, whatever, they're 728 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:03.960 hardened cool to amber. Yeah. 729 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.599 I mean if someone has makes the same mistake you 730 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.119 did when I put the order in, we might just 731 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.719 have a bunch of dead people. Yeah, we're people regardless. Yeah, 732 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.840 we might just have a bunch of crushed things. Yes, 733 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.559 And uh, you know that's just what experimentation is. 734 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.639 Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta break a few 735 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.239 eggs there. It is crack a few skulls to freeze 736 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:22.280 a society and amber. 737 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:23.880 But it would be cool to freeze I guess we 738 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.920 do that with photographs. Now we don't need to amber 739 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:27.480 five people. 740 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.320 That's true, although you can't pull DNA front well, you 741 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.400 can't really pull DNA from amber anyway, because most of 742 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:35.559 it doesn't survive very long. 743 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.400 I think the high life is it's not like uh, 744 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:38.400 drastic park. 745 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.800 No, it's not, although there is, there's there's a weird company. 746 00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.559 It's always fed to us. He's like making colossal firal 747 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.119 wolves and ship. Well, what are using what are they using? 748 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:52.159 Colossal is is using much much, much more recently extinct species. 749 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.599 There's a reason they haven't attempted dinosaurs. You know, they're 750 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.440 attempting things that have died out within the past, you know, 751 00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.559 ten thousand years, maybe five thousand years people have on 752 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.159 the last We'll ask and you know, I don't know. 753 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.119 I've seen stuff that says genetic material the half life 754 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.719 of genetic material is like five hundred years or something 755 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:12.800 five hundred and twenty one years. But there are also 756 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.239 discussions in this episode of finding remnants of genetic material, 757 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.360 so maybe some of it can survive longer than others. 758 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.199 But the point is we're not pulling. We can't drill 759 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:27.199 into these ticks and remove enough dino DNA to go 760 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:28.239 clone a dinosaurs. 761 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.639 What you're saying is you're not interested in investing in 762 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.519 my surprise liquefied amber. Well, day of the year. 763 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:38.320 We can discuss, all right. So we don't know what 764 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.599 kind of dinosaur the feather belonged to, but the tick 765 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.719 was an extinct species that these scientists named Dinocraton dracouli 766 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:47.679 or Dracula's terrible tick. 767 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.960 Oh wow, they dote on them for fucking dying though 768 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.880 the ticks are just seeing themselves out. Oh yeah, this 769 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.320 type of tick. Yeah, I wish all their ticks would 770 00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:56.920 take note. 771 00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.760 They didn't seem too much larger than modern ticks to 772 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.800 my But one specimen of this ancient eractid was frozen 773 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.559 in time after it fed, and it was in gorged 774 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.079 with so much blood that it had grown to eight 775 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:10.679 times its normal size. 776 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.079 Did you watch Alien Earth? I didn't. 777 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:14.440 You've asked me this like ten times. 778 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:15.920 I don't particularly like the show. 779 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.159 You say that every time. There is part of why 780 00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:19.039 I haven't watched it. 781 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:24.239 There is a tic esque mosquito ass alien, not alien 782 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.159 like a xenomorph, but just not of our not of 783 00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.039 Earth alien mmmm, that feeds on blood or whatever, and 784 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.239 they get so big. Yeah, and I'm just like, go ROAs, no, 785 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:34.719 thank you. 786 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:35.280 Yeah. 787 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.239 Anything that gets like engorged with blood is like just 788 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:39.079 so gross to me. 789 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.159 Yeah, I've definitely. Have you ever when you were a kid, 790 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.159 did you ever see those little red mites that they 791 00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.480 have the crawl around sometimes that they have you mean earth, Yeah, 792 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:52.679 there's my MyAnna had this pile like these rocks out 793 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.760 by her mailbox and they were always covered in these 794 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.679 little red mites and if you crushed them, they left 795 00:36:58.679 --> 00:36:59.800 like a little red stain. 796 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.119 And I, oh, I remember that. I thought they were 797 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:03.800 just kind of red ant, So maybe they weren't. 798 00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:04.599 They might have been. 799 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.760 I know what you're talking about. This, I remember just 800 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:12.599 like leaving ancient like cave paintings of stains on our driveway. Yes, 801 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.239 with these things body internals, Yeah, I haven't thought of 802 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.000 it a long time. 803 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.000 Yeah I don't. I'm glad you know what I'm talking about, 804 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.199 because for a second I was like, wait, was my 805 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.599 grandmother just letting me play in like a parasite pit? 806 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.159 And probably ticks when they feed. This is sort of 807 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.840 an aside, but they can inflate up to fifty times 808 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.480 stop it their original volume fifty times two hundred to 809 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:35.960 six hundred times their body. 810 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.519 Wait a centimeters, what're talking inches? Do they ever get 811 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.800 to the point where we're like, that's a huge fucking. 812 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.079 Tick kind of Yeah. Depending on the species, they can 813 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.119 swell anywhere from the size of a poppy seed or 814 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.679 a sesame seed to between the size of a pea 815 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:50.559 and a grape. 816 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.599 A grape, a grape, a fucking grape. 817 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.519 Now, I don't know if that's hard ticks or soft 818 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.480 ticks that can be soft to expand, like, yeah, but 819 00:37:57.960 --> 00:37:58.960 grow not a shower. 820 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.559 Is that there's a level of accuracy in that Alien 821 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.400 Earth episode that starts so much bigger, you know, Yeah. 822 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.159 The one that was on my butt was not that big. 823 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.360 I imagine a tick for a tick to get the size 824 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:11.960 of a grape, I assume that tick has been there 825 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.719 for a very long butt blood that's swollen on butt blood. 826 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.639 This was a pretty cool fine too. A second amber 827 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:23.679 specimen contained two ticks in case side by side lovers lovers. 828 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.280 Lovers were they wanted to die together. 829 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:30.639 They held each other, They held each other. On these ticks. 830 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.280 Researchers identified tiny hairs from the larva of what are 831 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.679 called skin beetles that today typically eat skin hair, feathers, 832 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:43.880 and other traces of organic material left behind in nests. 833 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.639 Since no mammal hairs have yet been found in cretaceous amber, 834 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:51.480 this suggests that these skin beetles and the tick were 835 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:55.519 active in a nest belonging to feathered dinosaurs, and they 836 00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:57.960 think nest and that this was some sort of a 837 00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:03.400 feeding in place situation because it was so wildly rare 838 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.159 to find two ticks in case together. If they were 839 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.480 just they wouldn't necessarily be feeding on the same animal 840 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:12.679 and then both get incased in animal. 841 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.440 It's a solitary feed normally, well. 842 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.519 An animal can have more than one tick, but for 843 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.719 but for them to have been encased in amber, the 844 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.079 amber has to have dream tree sap has to have 845 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.679 run down over them, which is hard to do if 846 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.440 you're attached to a moving animal. 847 00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.159 Also, I don't know how fast tree sap moves. It 848 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.400 doesn't seem super fast. So it's a little bit like 849 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.119 that Austin power is like just move slow, yeah, like 850 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.480 the slow steamroller thing. But it's just them too, being 851 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.360 like it's kind on. Then it's like shot of it 852 00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:44.079 so far away still, so you're saying that one was 853 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.199 eating a feather the other one was probably eating something else. 854 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.360 Well, the idea being that whatever whatever these skin beetles 855 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:54.239 and ticks were gathered around was probably something solitary. 856 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:55.599 Oh, they were not two ticks. 857 00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.800 There were two ticks and skin beetles. 858 00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:59.719 Oh, so altogether they were at the same party. Y. 859 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.639 Yeah, they're all the same party. In that party got 860 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.639 in case the ambers. So it's likely that that party 861 00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:03.960 was not. 862 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.840 Moving, gotcha, So it would be a nest. 863 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.920 Yeah. So if you look at the pictures of ticks 864 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.639 in the article, you should, all of you should. You 865 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.000 won't sleep, but you should go look at the pictures. 866 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.079 It does. It sure doesn't seem like these ticks look 867 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.440 very different than the tics we have today. In fact, 868 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.800 to me, they look exactly the same, which suggests that 869 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.039 I think evolution really kind of hit a home run 870 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.760 when it game the tall that they You know, there's 871 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.079 not a lot of animals that have survived from the 872 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.440 time of the dinosaurs being exactly the same. You know, sharks, 873 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.239 I guess, alligators. But ticks have also been spreading the 874 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:42.880 same diseases that they do today for millions and millions 875 00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.639 of years. And we know this because we not only 876 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.239 have evidence of ancient ticks. It turns out some of 877 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.840 these ticks contain the fossilized remains of the bacteria that 878 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.880 causes lime disease. So this is from entomology today. Quote. 879 00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.000 The findings were made by researchers from Oregon State Universe 880 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.840 who studied fifteen to twenty million year old amber from 881 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.280 the Dominican Republic that offers the oldest fossil evidence ever 882 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.760 found of Borellia, a type of spiroshet like bacteria that 883 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.960 to this day causes lime disease. Quote. A series of 884 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.800 four ticks from Dominican amber were analyzed in the study, 885 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:21.559 revealing a large population of spiroshite like cells that most 886 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:26.599 closely resemble those of the present day Borellia species. Bacteria 887 00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:28.760 are an ancient group that date back about three point 888 00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.639 six billion years, almost as old as the planet itself. 889 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.559 As soft bodied organisms, they are rarely preserved in the 890 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.679 fossil record. However, amber is a free flowing tree sap 891 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.840 that can trap and preserve material in exquisite detail as 892 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.119 it slowly turns into a semi precious mineral. 893 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.440 Yeah, people have amber jewelry and stuff, so I guess 894 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:51.119 it's pretty wild. Yeah, very versatile. 895 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.800 Yeah. The article goes on to say that scientists have 896 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.320 documented the ancient presence of such diseases as malaria, leich Mania, 897 00:41:58.719 --> 00:41:59.519 and others. 898 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.920 Amber is just thinking about right now. But Amber as 899 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:03.880 a thing is like a hey, do you want to 900 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:04.639 keep this? Yeah? 901 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:05.519 Yeah, yeah yeah. 902 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.280 But for everything, it was like do you want to 903 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.000 keep this disease? You want to keep this animal? He 904 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:11.280 do you want to keep this person? 905 00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:14.679 In Ed's invention, I thought you meant it's something that 906 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:16.440 people find and go, hey, should we keep this? 907 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.800 No? I mean Amber. Actually the personification of Amber is like, hey, 908 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:22.800 where were we going? Did you want to I'll hang 909 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:23.440 on to it for you. 910 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.079 Yeah, it's a pack rat type. Yeah, substance. 911 00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:26.960 It's pretty wild. 912 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.800 Thank god for it. We found a lot. We know 913 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:30.800 a lot about the ancient world from these. 914 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:31.480 That's what I'm saying. 915 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:35.119 Yeah, evidence even suggests, and I don't know if I 916 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.199 don't think this evidence was necessarily pulled from ancient ticks, 917 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.519 but evidence even suggests that dinosaurs could have been infected 918 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:45.960 with Ricket seal pathogens, which is today known as Rocky 919 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.719 Mountain spotted fever. So one of those diseases we talked 920 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.079 about earlier is something that the dinosaurs might have had. 921 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.320 If dinosaurs could talk, a lot of them would be like, 922 00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.199 you don't look so good right now. I think you 923 00:42:58.199 --> 00:42:58.840 should light out. 924 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.360 Can you even imagine? And the diseases the dinosaurs. 925 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:03.679 Had and not one doctor. 926 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.400 And not one doctor just misery. Yeah, anyway, what's humans 927 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.320 came around? Ticks were eating good. Cultures around the world 928 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.960 have been aware of and disgusted by ticks since the 929 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.159 beginning of written records, as they should be. 930 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.880 The first written record has saw something today. 931 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.400 IW I'm disgusting. 932 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:21.840 I'm fucking going home. 933 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.000 The usual suspects all had something to say about ticks. 934 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.440 Aristotle in three pot fifty five PC in his Historia 935 00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.400 and Amalium, stated that quote, tics are generated from couch grass, 936 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.360 which is more of that spontaneous. 937 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.360 Generation stuffmunculus stuff. 938 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.880 Yeah, that flies were birthed from shit because that's where 939 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:40.719 the eggs were laid. 940 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.400 I gotta get all this shit in common here so 941 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.119 we can find out how many ticks we can make. Yeah. 942 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:45.760 Uh. 943 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.039 If you want to understand that joke andnot just be 944 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.639 grossed out by it, go listen to the Homoculous episode. 945 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:52.039 To be grossed out by that. 946 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:56.800 Pliny in eighty seventy seven in his Historia Naturalism. 947 00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.079 Pliny, Okay, I thought you were just adding a stroke 948 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.400 or something, No, Pliny, so it will be an episode. 949 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.360 Pliny in eighty seventy seven in his Historia Naturalis, referred 950 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.000 to quote an animal living on blood with its head 951 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.239 always fixed and swelling, being one of the animals which 952 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:16.480 has no exit in parentheses anus for its food. It 953 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.119 bursts with over repletion and dies from actual nourishment. 954 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:20.840 Okay. 955 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.760 Ancient Egyptians wrote of a disease that they knew of 956 00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:27.440 as tick fever as early as fifteen fifty BC, and 957 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.920 archaeologists have discovered an ancient Egyptian painting of a hyena 958 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:34.360 like animal in a Western Thebes tomb, showing what appeared 959 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.320 to be three distinct ticks. Guess where in its ear? 960 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.880 Ah? Also, why did you draw that? Well? 961 00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:46.119 Clearly, I probably because someone loved their dog. Homer mentions 962 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.079 fleas or ticks and flees in the Odyssey What Odysseus 963 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.639 returns home his dog is covered in them. So I 964 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:56.320 think people, you know, they knew that their animals, whether 965 00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.320 they love them or they just happened to be around that. 966 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.400 This was something that like afflicted there. 967 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.039 Yeah, I'm just saying, you have this is your one 968 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:04.159 opportunity to draw a portrait of your dog, and you 969 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.000 leave out the fucking ticks. 970 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:10.000 Yeah, back then I think maybe they were after they 971 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:12.360 wanted to make sure that there was a recording of 972 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:12.840 this stuff. 973 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:14.639 Well then fucking put some tree sap on. 974 00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.400 It, dipping your dog's head and tree saund like we're 975 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:19.679 gonna get these things off. 976 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.119 I we had some work done around here at my 977 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.760 house and it was the worst some of the some 978 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:28.159 of the worst crafts with ship I've seen. Uh. And 979 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:33.039 the people who painted just zero fox, like doesn't matter 980 00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:36.079 what they taped. Shit's just everywhere, Like everything's way where 981 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.880 it shouldn't be paint wise. Yeah, and I am finding 982 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:44.239 like spiders in carbonite, Like just rolled paint over a 983 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.320 spider and there it is just like a full blown spider, 984 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:49.280 Like you can make out what it was. There was 985 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.960 like tape on the wall that's just like in there 986 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.400 now Like so I just to your point, it's not amber. 987 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.320 But I walk around my house now being like there's 988 00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.639 Han solo and carbonite. There's Han solo and carbonite, there's 989 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:00.840 on salt garbonite. 990 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.079 If your house survives hundreds of thousands of years, perhaps 991 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.079 buried under a soot cloud or something, maybe those spiders 992 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.079 will become what are studied. In the future, they'll be like, God, 993 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:13.400 this craftsmanship was. 994 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.440 They should already be studying the shit that blows out 995 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.639 of the pipe in the backyard that they refuse to fix. 996 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.079 Well, But in the future they might think They'll be like, wow, 997 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:24.280 these were decorative. These were placed here as a memorial 998 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.679 to these spiders. They must have been royal spiders. 999 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.639 Man, I don't know this house already survived every earthquake. 1000 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.800 It's from nineteen twenty. 1001 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:34.119 That's true. I do. This is a complete aside, But 1002 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.480 sometimes when I drive around LA, I do like to 1003 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.519 think about how you know, I am super anxious and 1004 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.280 nervous about earthquakes, but you look at the majority of 1005 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:47.199 the houses in LA have survived a number of very 1006 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:48.280 large earthquakes. 1007 00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:48.840 Just fine. 1008 00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:52.320 But the best ancient ticks story that I found is 1009 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:58.559 a Navajo legend about how ticks became so flat. Hold 1010 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.280 on to your butts, as they say, this story is 1011 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.119 a journey, and you will not see the answer to 1012 00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.159 the question of how did ticks become flat. You won't 1013 00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.039 see it coming, but it's a great story. 1014 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.360 I do love a culture unable to say I don't know. 1015 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.920 They had to have it how flat you. I'd be like, 1016 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.000 I don't know, and then they're like, oh man, we 1017 00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:19.599 better come up with something that we pass on for 1018 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.280 generations of how ticks got flat. 1019 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.519 This story is like a final destination level version of 1020 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:26.760 how a tick becomes flat. 1021 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:27.639 Never guess it. 1022 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.440 You'll never guess, but it's awesome. So one day, Coyote 1023 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:34.119 was wandering down a trail when he met old woman. 1024 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.199 Don't go that way. She warned him there's a giant 1025 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:41.760 up ahead who kills everyone. But Coyote, being coyote, wasn't scared. 1026 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.159 Giants don't frighten me. He said, I killed giants all 1027 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:48.679 the time. Holy shit, straight of coyote. I never knew wow, 1028 00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:51.840 which oh well, which the story says was not true. 1029 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.199 He had never met one. So I guess coyotes being 1030 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:55.039 tricksters just. 1031 00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:57.639 Lies about Coyote the animal, not a person named Coyote. 1032 00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:59.960 Capital c Coyote, Kyote. 1033 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:03.719 Lear the spirit you want to get in trouble. 1034 00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:08.719 The mythic embodiment of coyote. Coyote was a was a 1035 00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.639 figure in Native American legends. He was a trickster figure. 1036 00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.599 It's not ordering from acme no, okay, so I will 1037 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.320 stop picturing that right now. 1038 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.920 Giants don't frighten me, he said, I killed giants all 1039 00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.239 the time, which was not true. He had never met one. Still, 1040 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:26.679 he kept walking along the way. He found a big 1041 00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.559 fallen branch and picked it up like a club. I'll 1042 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:33.280 smash the giant over the head with this, he said. Eventually, 1043 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.639 coyote came to what looked like a huge cave in 1044 00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.840 the middle of the path. He walked right in. Inside 1045 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.320 he found a woman crawling on the ground, starving and 1046 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:47.159 too weak to stand. What happened to you, Coyote asked, rude, 1047 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.559 how else will we know I'm trapped? She said, we 1048 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:55.559 all are great, cold, open to something. But I was 1049 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.920 thinking that trapped where The woman looked at him and laugh, 1050 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.719 You're already inside the giant. Coyote didn't understand. He thought 1051 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.519 he'd walked into a cave. But the cave was the 1052 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:11.679 giant's mouth, and now Coyote was deep inside its belly. 1053 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:12.159 Oh. 1054 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.960 He kept going and found more people lying around, half 1055 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:20.760 dead from hungrybos. The laziest of the They couldn't even 1056 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.199 they couldn't even munch on the innards of the giant. 1057 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:23.599 Wow. 1058 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.159 They told him there was no way out. The giant's 1059 00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:29.920 belly was so enormous it filled an entire valley. Coyote 1060 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.599 thought about this and said, if we're inside the giant, 1061 00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.920 then these cave walls must be meat. So he pulled 1062 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.159 out his knife and started cutting. Chunks came loose from 1063 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.000 the walls, fat and flesh from the inside of the 1064 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.280 giant's stomach. Coyote fed it to the starving people a 1065 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:51.519 whalefall bay. Basically, we're looking at you, Daniel Krause Kyote. 1066 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.920 Coyote fed it to the starving people, and they grew stronger. 1067 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:59.239 But now they had another problem. Again great writing, plot. 1068 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.320 Wise, Yeah, yeah, problem. 1069 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:06.440 They were still inside the giant, so coyote decided to 1070 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:07.800 kill it from the inside. 1071 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.760 This stick is doing a lot of heavy lifting. 1072 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:11.840 Well, he thought the stick was going to be great 1073 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.639 for clubbing it over its head, but he didn't foresee 1074 00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.000 anticipate that he would walk right into its mouth. So 1075 00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:21.800 he asks, where's its heart? Someone pointed to a mountain 1076 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.920 in the distance deep inside the giant's body. It was 1077 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:28.199 pulsing and smoking like a volcano. That must be it, 1078 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.239 Coyote said, clearly, not a doctor. 1079 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:33.039 Kyo has interrational confidence. 1080 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:36.920 This guy would do well in Hollywood. 1081 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:37.599 Absolutely. 1082 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.599 He climbed to the giant's heart and began cutting into it. 1083 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.679 The giant felt the pain and spoke Coyote. It said, 1084 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:48.039 I know who you are. Stop cutting me and I'll 1085 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:52.119 open my mouth. You can all leave. But Coyote didn't stop. 1086 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:52.880 No, Coyote. 1087 00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:53.880 He hacked deeper. 1088 00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:54.960 Struck. 1089 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.559 He hacked deeper into the heart until lava began pouring out. 1090 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.519 That lava was the Giant's blood. The giant groaned. The 1091 00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:06.679 whole world inside him shook. The ground trembled under everyone's feet. 1092 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:10.079 Coyote shouted run. The giant opened his mouth for one 1093 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.480 last breath, and all the people trapped inside came rushing out. 1094 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:18.719 But the last one through was wood Tick. As wood 1095 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.280 Tick tried to escape, the giant's teeth came crashing down, 1096 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.239 Coyote grabbed him and yanked him out just in time. 1097 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:30.599 Wood Tick survived, but he was crushed flat. Look at me, 1098 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:36.760 cried would Tick. I'm all flat now. Coyote shrugged that 1099 00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.000 happened when I pulled you through. From now on, you'll 1100 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.760 always be flat, but be glad you're alive. 1101 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:48.440 What I'm that. The craziest thing is the tick is 1102 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.599 introduced so late in the story, only only. 1103 00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.000 Part of the storytelling. It feels like a real cop out. Yes, 1104 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.000 this feels like somebody asked their grandfather, how did the 1105 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.880 wood Tick become flat? He just started I'm telling a story. 1106 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.199 Oh, He's like, I was already working on this coyote thing. Yeah, 1107 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.440 how can I put this into the coyote thing? Yes? Yes, 1108 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.280 that is wild. That's uh. It's just such a crazy 1109 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:17.079 It's like a ce story character that we meet for 1110 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.199 one second in a movie and then you're like, oh, 1111 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.400 the hero, but like the movies called wood Tick and 1112 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.320 you're like, oh, that guy who passed and asked for 1113 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:24.960 a coffee. 1114 00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:26.719 Well, it would be like at the end of Scream 1115 00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:28.400 if they pulled the mask off and it was just 1116 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.760 a character you hadn't met yet, you'd be like. 1117 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.599 Who didn't know? Yeah, who was that one? 1118 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.320 Yeah, it's just like, oh, well all right. I mean 1119 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.039 it's not really fair from a story perspective, but. 1120 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.280 Yeah, everything else leading up to this was amazing. I'm 1121 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:44.920 very interested in what coyote is going to do next. Yeah, 1122 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.199 but they're like, here's a character. The rest of the 1123 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.440 movies will be following this other guy. Yes, so we 1124 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:51.480 introduced at the end. 1125 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.840 So that's how. That's how wood ticks became flat. According 1126 00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:56.960 to the Navajo. 1127 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.519 I mean, it's a great story. A lot of it 1128 00:52:58.559 --> 00:52:59.119 was very good. 1129 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.440 So maybe wood tick was glad to be alive after this, 1130 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.360 but no one else was. Ticks are the world's number 1131 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:10.440 one spreader of zoonotic diseases, or diseases that's spread between 1132 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.199 animals and humans, and they seem to be one of 1133 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.239 the few creatures on Earth that are more trouble than 1134 00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:15.679 they're worth. 1135 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:16.480 Get them out of here. 1136 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:18.840 Though, there are at least a handful of ticks that 1137 00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:23.360 qualify as an endangered species stop it. None are represented 1138 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:24.840 on the International Union of. 1139 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:26.000 Giving a Shit. 1140 00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:30.639 No, none are represented on the International Union for Conservation 1141 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.280 of Nature's Red List of threatened Species, which does feel 1142 00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:36.880 like a real fuck you to the tick community. Yeah, 1143 00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:41.679 some scientists know that this isn't so much because everybody 1144 00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:45.800 feels that ticks are worthless, but because these endangered ticks 1145 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.199 feeding habits are inextricably linked to other endangered species. 1146 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:51.159 Oh jeez. 1147 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:54.480 So one such case is the Heath's possum tick, which 1148 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:59.119 is Australian tick which survives exclusively on the mountain pygmy 1149 00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.400 possum living above the snow line on some of Australia's 1150 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.840 highest peaks. So because of its highly isolated habitat and 1151 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.880 its precarious reliance on a single host that is also threatened, 1152 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:13.880 it is considered on the brink of extinction. This was 1153 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.639 not flat out said, but I assume part of the 1154 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:19.519 difficulty there is the only way to keep it alive 1155 00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:23.119 is to feed it endangered animals. Yeah, so they're kind. 1156 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:24.880 Of like, it's kind of like you wouldn't even be 1157 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:26.760 on the list if it wasn't for these Yeah, they 1158 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:29.880 are so connected to that particular type of possum that 1159 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.000 even if they wanted to, I guess they wouldn't be 1160 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.199 able to introduce a new kind of food to that tick. 1161 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:36.840 Yeah, so they're fucked. 1162 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:39.119 Yeah, we're not gonna air lift up some goats for 1163 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.320 you people to feed on, like right, but as an 1164 00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:43.519 inconvenient place. I hope that. 1165 00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:46.559 The ticks aren't the reason that the possum are endangered 1166 00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:48.519 they're being fed on by. 1167 00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:50.719 Yeah, I don't know, and I'm never gonna know. 1168 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.639 You fine with that, We're never going to look into it, 1169 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.480 never Once. Biologists aren't the only ones wrestling with the 1170 00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:58.519 inherent value of a tick's life. 1171 00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.679 The Innocence Project is now they didn't do it. 1172 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:06.840 One Christian philosopher wrote, quote, certainly Job should have included 1173 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.599 tics in his litany of complaints to the Most High 1174 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.119 concerning the evils visit upon humans in the created world. 1175 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.039 It is hard to imagine the wisdom and any patience 1176 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.280 we might be called upon to exercise regarding the existence 1177 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:19.800 of tics. 1178 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.679 No one should be on his shit list to them 1179 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.280 because we have them. He probably brought to the little fucks. 1180 00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:27.880 Well, I mean, maybe two snuck on on the backs 1181 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:29.440 of some endangered possums or something. 1182 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.280 I didn't know how many trojan horses were on that arc. 1183 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:35.519 It's funny, though, in my research I actually found, and 1184 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.639 this is one of the only times this has happened 1185 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.280 in the course of this show, I actually found quite 1186 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:44.840 a few Christians asking why God would have created tics, 1187 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.639 Like most of the Bible, most other yeah, most other 1188 00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.119 horrible subjects. I don't find you know a lot my rapists. Yeah, 1189 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:56.039 like age list of Christian philosophers or writers being like, 1190 00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:59.000 what's the deal with ticks? But you know one of 1191 00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.039 them wonders, I think, And this sort of speaks for 1192 00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:03.920 many of them that I read. Many may ask why 1193 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:07.039 these ticks species are so infectious when ticks were originally 1194 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.159 designed by a benevolent God. Why would a good creator 1195 00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.320 choose to design a creature ultimately capable of such considerable virulence? 1196 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:16.320 Boredom? 1197 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:17.960 Probably? I mean it's a goof. 1198 00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:21.599 It's a goof sometimes God goofs. Look. I invented caves, 1199 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:23.960 and I feel like no one was using them until 1200 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.199 I added rain, and so maybe it's like a knock 1201 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:27.119 on effect for God. 1202 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:29.679 Well, but he filled those caves with soft ticks. 1203 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.400 Well, because the ticks kept complaining they had nothing to do, 1204 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:34.360 That's true, and so he's like, well, where you've been 1205 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:35.880 hanging out? I was like, in the caves, no one's 1206 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:37.400 ever in here, And He's like, I got an idea 1207 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:39.079 rain that'll bring them in there. 1208 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:40.280 Still not good enough? 1209 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:44.360 All right, Finally I put blood in them. I do 1210 00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.519 like the idea of God being very collaborative. 1211 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:50.760 The answer that most of these Christian writers settled on 1212 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.000 is that the idea that before Adam and Eve sinned, 1213 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:56.079 ticks were good. 1214 00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.639 Okay, like all animals. So you don't hear back from 1215 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:01.559 the big guy and you come up with a not 1216 00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:06.079 as interesting story as ticks being flattened by a giant mouth. 1217 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.800 Yeah, they think the ticks were probably good. But after 1218 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.519 Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, there's this quote 1219 00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:14.840 from the Bible. God told Adam that his sin would 1220 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.960 result in the ground being cursed and bringing forth thorns 1221 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.559 and thistles, which prompts another Christian writer to ask, what 1222 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:24.920 exactly did this corruption and curse mean? Did thorns and 1223 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.159 thistles become more prevalent and more of a problem. Could 1224 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:31.039 the same thing apply to ticks? 1225 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:34.920 That's what are the two ways to read the Constitution? 1226 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:40.719 There's like an originalist, so the originalist and not interpretation. 1227 00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.519 And then whatever the fuck this guy is? Yeah, where 1228 00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:44.639 it was like, I told you it's thorns and thistles. 1229 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.960 Don't add ticks as you got a because no, Well, 1230 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.840 in today's society, you know, tics are a bigger problem 1231 00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:51.440 than So that's what I think God meant. 1232 00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.599 I mean, we're not here doing an episode on thorns 1233 00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:56.079 or thistles, exactly, dude. 1234 00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:59.559 But we should be. But we're gonna do Scared of 1235 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:01.639 the Bible. We'll do every chapter. 1236 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:05.559 Oh, that'll be over twenty years, actually twenty chapters. Right, 1237 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.360 we already we made this joke of off show. But 1238 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.400 we did think about Somebody told me reading it. Yeah, 1239 00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:12.400 somebody said we should do audiobooks, and I was saying 1240 00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:13.599 we should do we. 1241 00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.320 Read the Bible. Yeah, and not as a joke. 1242 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.440 Scared all the time version of the Bible. That's just 1243 00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:21.440 the scary, gross parts, just the scary parts from the Bible, 1244 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:22.679 which we're doing now. 1245 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:23.599 So it's trademarked. 1246 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:28.000 Yeah, but fear not in the end times, after Christ returns, 1247 00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.400 this same writer believes that quote, the curse will be 1248 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.719 reversed and dangerous wild animals like wolves, leopards, lions, and 1249 00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:36.280 cobras will no longer be dangerous. 1250 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.880 I'm sorry, I haven't gotten that far into the Bible. Perhaps, 1251 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:42.719 but where does it say the second Coming of Christ 1252 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:46.400 that he has the obligation to make scary things not 1253 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:49.599 scary and to make ticks nice again. Well, okay, so 1254 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:51.519 this doesn't eOne discuss it with him? 1255 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:54.360 Well, this is literally so This is a little confusing 1256 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.519 the way I phrased it. The writer believes what I 1257 00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:58.920 just said. But what I just said is a quote 1258 00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:02.079 from Isaiah eleven, verse six through eight. So the curse 1259 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:04.920 will be reversed and dangerous, while the animals like wolves, leopards, lines, 1260 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.199 and cobras will no longer be dangerous. Is a quote 1261 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.159 from the Bible. So is they shall not hurt nor 1262 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:13.599 destroy in all my holy mountain, which is verse nine 1263 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.440 of Isaiah eleven. And so then the writer ads, could 1264 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:20.840 this also apply to mosquitoes, fleas, and ticks? I sure, hope. 1265 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.199 So. I love it. This guy is looking for anything 1266 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.880 that he can lump them in with the It's okay, 1267 00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:27.559 it's not gonna work with that many even I get it. 1268 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.280 But fine, this is its own thing. What if have 1269 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.800 you seen Isaiah? What if he means this is also ticks? 1270 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:36.920 Yeah? I love the idea that something we have to 1271 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.159 look forward to in the end times is that after 1272 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:43.280 all the death and destruction and people being taken into heaven, 1273 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:45.679 is that ticks revert to just. 1274 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:47.400 Being cool after we're all gone. 1275 00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:48.679 Yeah, they're just fine. 1276 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:50.840 I find that very interesting. 1277 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.840 I maybe they used to smell good. They revert to 1278 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:55.840 smelling good. 1279 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.320 It's just so reverse the curse. Isn't amazing reverse the curse. 1280 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:00.599 It's very fun thing to say. 1281 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.719 I wish we could reverse the curse on this show 1282 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.199 and all the horrible things that we've caused by talking 1283 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:05.719 about them. 1284 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.360 Yeah, I'm keep waiting for the doorball to ring. And 1285 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:08.239 it's just a huge tick. 1286 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:13.239 As we discussed earlier, many of the ancient new ticks 1287 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.199 were trouble, but it wasn't until eighteen ninety three that 1288 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:21.119 two researchers named Theobald Smith and fl Kilbourne discovered that 1289 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.760 a disease known as Texas cattle fever that was killing 1290 01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:28.000 tons of cattle in the Midwest was caused by the 1291 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:33.280 blood born parasite Babesia bigamina, which was transmitted by the 1292 01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:37.039 cattle tick. This is generally considered the first scientifically described 1293 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.280 tick disease, and ranchers rejoiced when they finally had an 1294 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:42.760 explanation for what was killing their cattle and that they 1295 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:44.320 could finally work to stop it. 1296 01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.360 Okay, Previous to that, it was just a lot of 1297 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:50.199 theology theologians being like, oh vu, there's a way to 1298 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.039 stop it. When Jesus comes back and says, hey, stop it. Well, 1299 01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:54.440 and then these guys were like, think it might be 1300 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:55.320 a better way to do this. 1301 01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.719 The Egyptians knew about tick fever in the fifteen hundred 1302 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.239 BC or whatever, and I read that. 1303 01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:06.000 I thought that was just a people's enthusiasm about clocks. 1304 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.800 I thought it was their enthusiasm for ticks. 1305 01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:10.000 The whole all of. 1306 01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.000 King Tut's domain had to tick fear. 1307 01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:18.039 Dude that summer, never forget it. A lot of thin people, 1308 01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.000 they were all blood heavy. No. 1309 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.880 People knew that ticks spread disease for a long time, 1310 01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.960 but they just didn't have the actual scientific understanding of 1311 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:30.760 there's a parasite in the blood that goes from one 1312 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.159 thing to another. They just thought ticks were somehow poisonous. 1313 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.039 And Craig Kilbourne, whoever these guys' names are, eighteen ninety three, 1314 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:39.280 that's what I was about to say. I'm like, it's 1315 01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:41.719 got to be bumping up against the twentieth century because 1316 01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:45.000 we as we know didn't even know that, like germs 1317 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:45.440 were a thing. 1318 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:49.920 Yeah yeah. Texas cattle fever, though, is not one of 1319 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:53.880 the tick diseases that makes headlines. The first on everyone's 1320 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:56.760 list is lime disease, which is the most common disease 1321 01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:00.320 spread by ticks in the country. The CDC estimates somewhere 1322 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:03.280 between three hundred thousand and half a million Americans get 1323 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:06.159 diagnosed with the lime disease every year. And this is 1324 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.440 this is your moment to shine. What do you know 1325 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:11.639 about lime disease beingsabilitating? 1326 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.199 Yes, it's debilitating. It it's and it's well. First off, 1327 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:17.840 it's from Connecticut. Named after Connecticut. 1328 01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.440 That's why I'm giving you this opportunity. Yeah, Connecticut is 1329 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:22.960 like the Vatican for lime disease. 1330 01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:28.480 It's the nutmeg state has a tick problem and the 1331 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.960 disease at which probably East Lime one of them. We've 1332 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.800 stayed in East Slime. We stayed there with Alex's family. 1333 01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.119 Oh oh yeah, he lives in Lime. Yeah, one of 1334 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:39.519 the limes Eastern. I don't know whe other directions are, 1335 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:41.079 but we live. We were up there. They have a 1336 01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:43.280 fun little old time like Charlie Chaplin movie theater and 1337 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.440 shit mm hmm. I just know it's real bad business 1338 01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:47.440 man like I know, it can be very debilitating. I 1339 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:49.519 don't know if there's varying degrees of it, but you know, 1340 01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:53.519 we know you find some people who it's like progressively debilitating. 1341 01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:55.280 It's almost like a mass or something. I feel like 1342 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:56.679 when you get limes disease. 1343 01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:00.079 That's all. That's all correct. It's very bad, and it's from. 1344 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.199 When's it from? Well, because I mean I was it 1345 01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:04.440 around when I was a kid. It was okay, So 1346 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.199 the tick fear in Connecticut that I had the like 1347 01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.039 Boogeyman tick syndrome of like check for tics, check for ticks. 1348 01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:12.440 Lime disease was already a thing that people were like, 1349 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:13.800 that's why you're checking for tics. 1350 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:18.480 Yes, okay, although or not, although and not only was 1351 01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:21.039 it a thing that people had become that people were 1352 01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.920 aware of when you were a kid. Lime disease, as 1353 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:27.440 you'll remember from the discussion we had a little bit earlier. 1354 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.239 We know it's been around for millions of years. 1355 01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:33.480 Yes, I fucked that up. Huh, it's we know because 1356 01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:34.800 they found it that amber. 1357 01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:38.000 Ed ed pays somewhere between fifty and seventy five percent 1358 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:39.760 attention from I'm. 1359 01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:41.679 Just saying that, like that shit from amber wasn't called 1360 01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:42.400 lime disease. 1361 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:43.800 Well, correct, it wasn't. 1362 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.159 It was part of the bacteria that makes up lime disease. 1363 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:47.679 They found an amber, yes. 1364 01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.000 Which comes into play a little bit later. That's important. 1365 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.079 But do you want to guess who else probably suffered 1366 01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.599 from lime disease? A famous famous name discussed on the 1367 01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:01.920 show a couple of times. Plato, No, no, no, you're 1368 01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.840 probably not going to get this lot, Si the iceman. 1369 01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:07.280 Is there anything this guy doesn't have on display? 1370 01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:09.960 Not much. I feel like we've learned most of human 1371 01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:12.079 history from what we discovered on them. 1372 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.280 And God, the sickest man got frozen. 1373 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.719 He's he's fifty three hundred years old. He was murdered. 1374 01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:19.320 We know he had those arrow in him. 1375 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:21.880 Yeah, there's an arrow. They don't know who killed him 1376 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.519 or why. Yeah, but he was murdered. 1377 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.159 He was spreading disease. Yeah. 1378 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:29.519 Another really interesting detail in his story that came up 1379 01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.400 as I was researching this episode is that when scientists 1380 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.079 sequenced his genome, they also searched for traces of any 1381 01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:39.280 non human DNA. They found evidence of a few different 1382 01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:42.719 microbes in or on his body, including the bacteria that 1383 01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:47.119 causes lime disease, Borellia BERGDORFERI. Adding to the evidence that 1384 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:52.039 he was actually suffering symptoms are his numerous tattoos, which 1385 01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:52.639 I think we might know. 1386 01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:55.440 Yeah, the tattoos may have been medical and nature, like 1387 01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:58.079 pointing to where he was itchy, or pointing to where. 1388 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.599 Yes, they are clustered around his spine, ankles, and behind 1389 01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:05.800 his right knee, which are all places where you would 1390 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.679 experience the joint pain that lime disease can cause. So 1391 01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:13.000 some some people think that perhaps they weren't decorative, but 1392 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:17.159 they were almost like a ritualistic Neolithic medicinal practice. 1393 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.320 Yeah, now, who listens to all that shit you did? 1394 01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.079 That was pretty good. While Utsy's corpse is the oldest 1395 01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:26.880 known evidence of lime infection in humans, it wasn't understood 1396 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:29.239 as a disease until a bunch of kids and a 1397 01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:31.880 few adults in and around Old Lime. 1398 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:34.920 Stole on the body from where eat it. 1399 01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:37.000 The biggest mistake they could ever made. 1400 01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.320 Well, they heard that mummies make you look young or whatever. 1401 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:40.559 They thought it was a mummy powder. 1402 01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:42.719 So it was old lime, Connecticut. I don't know where 1403 01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:44.119 that is in relation to East Lime. 1404 01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:46.840 I don't know either. I mean, if this is where 1405 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:48.639 it started, it should be called we don't go there, 1406 01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:49.199 no more lime. 1407 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:52.840 Well, this group of people started coming down with what 1408 01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.960 looked like juvenile rheumatoried darth, writing East lime. 1409 01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:57.440 Is where our friend lives, which is why I always 1410 01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:58.079 think he's right. 1411 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.400 Yeah, I don't know where old lime is than in 1412 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:02.599 the trash because I ain't eaten no old lime. 1413 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:03.559 Get it out of here. 1414 01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:05.960 These people started coming down with what looked like juvenile 1415 01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:09.840 rheumatoid arthritis in nineteen seventy five, so this was not 1416 01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.960 really studied until just a few years before you were born. 1417 01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:16.119 Shit man, They had the work swollen, joints, fevers weird. 1418 01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:17.159 So joints is a big thing. 1419 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:18.079 Joints is a big thing. 1420 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.320 So that's why when I thought earlier it was debilitating 1421 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.000 in like an MS way, where like I thought of 1422 01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.199 MS because it's like a breakdown of the ability. 1423 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.480 To yeah, to walk some some people who get. 1424 01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:29.239 And so it might not be the same symptoms that 1425 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.599 are actually making it happen, but I know that some 1426 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:34.559 people they need to require like walkers and things like that. 1427 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:38.840 Yes, two moms, Polly Murray and Judith Minch shark tank 1428 01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.480 and said do we have an idea for you. It's 1429 01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:46.679 called tattoos that heal you. Two moms, Polly Murray and 1430 01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:50.400 Judith Minch started calling Yale and the Connecticut Health Department. 1431 01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.440 So they finally got two Yale rheumatologists, Alan Steer and 1432 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:58.559 Stephen Malowista, and these two came to investigate. They pieced 1433 01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:02.800 together that whatever this is, it was spread by ticks, 1434 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.960 and they named it lime arthritis. But it wasn't until 1435 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:11.840 nineteen eighty one that Willie Bergdorffer, a Swiss trained medical 1436 01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:16.119 entomologist working at Rocky Mountain Labs in Hamilton, Montana, found 1437 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:19.000 the true cause of the disease, wriggling around in the 1438 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.440 gut of a deer tick from Shelter Island. 1439 01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:24.960 Wait, gut, Oh, so the inside the tick in blood. 1440 01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:27.639 Yeah, Inside the gut of the tick where the blood 1441 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:32.039 was he found this corkscrew shaped bacterium called a spiral keet, 1442 01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:35.119 and in nineteen eighty two he confirmed that this spiral 1443 01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:38.079 heat was the cause of lime. I think I actually 1444 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:41.840 mispronounced spiro keet earlier in this episode as like spiroshet 1445 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:45.599 or something. It's spirokeet getting better, guys, I'm getting better, 1446 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.840 spiro Shelley a year spiroshet. He sounds like a great pasta. 1447 01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:51.599 Sounds like a delicious kind of pasta. 1448 01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:52.280 Yeah. 1449 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.679 A year later, this bacteria that he discovered was named 1450 01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:59.599 Brellia bergder Ferry in his honor. I hope they threw 1451 01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:04.000 him as well. Yeah, remember Willie's name. We're gonna come 1452 01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:06.039 back to him later. But part of the reason the 1453 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.599 disease was such a mystery for so long is that 1454 01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:11.920 most people who come down with lime don't even know 1455 01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:13.480 that they were bit by a tick. 1456 01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:17.079 Yeah. Now, isn't there like a ring associated with it? Yes, 1457 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:18.399 but I feel like by the time you see that, 1458 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:19.359 it's probably too late. 1459 01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:21.960 Well, it's not that it's too late, it's just that, well, 1460 01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:23.199 it's you're already infected. 1461 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:23.479 Yeah. 1462 01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:25.920 It's called a bullseye rash. And it looks like a 1463 01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:28.159 bright red ring. It's a rash in the shape of 1464 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:31.159 a ring, and the center of that ring, it won't 1465 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.199 be red in the center, but the center of that 1466 01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:37.279 is where the tick bite occurred. That is crazy, the ring. 1467 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.439 It's just crazy that our body had that reaction, or 1468 01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:43.720 that this thing gave that to bodies. Yes, where it's like, 1469 01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:46.640 I'm sorry about what I did to your body, and 1470 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:50.119 now now you know it's happened. Yeah, and I'm gonna leave, 1471 01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:51.439 by the way, I've already left. 1472 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.039 Yeah, left a long time ago. Usually, But it's just 1473 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:54.640 pretty wild. 1474 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.840 It's just an interesting piece of evolution or intelligent design, 1475 01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:01.239 whatever it may be. It's just kind of crazy that 1476 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:05.119 it left like a circle, yeah, where it ruined your life. 1477 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:07.720 And twenty percent of cases never even get the circle. 1478 01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:10.560 Twenty to thirty percent of cases never get the circle, 1479 01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.560 and so they may never know that they were bit 1480 01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:15.640 by a tick. They don't see the rash, and so 1481 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.520 they just get flu like symptoms and they get the 1482 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:23.720 joint pain, sometimes long term neurological and cardiac problems, and 1483 01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:28.239 in rare cases, the infection, the bacterial infection spreads to 1484 01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:31.520 the heart and can become fatal, but it's usually caught 1485 01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:34.319 well before that, especially now that we know what it is. 1486 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:37.359 Once it's caught, it can be treated with a ten 1487 01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:41.279 to fourteen day course of antibiotics that cleans up cases 1488 01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:45.000 in most people. Then there's chronic lime disease, which is 1489 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:47.920 part of what you've been discussing, and that is the 1490 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.119 term for patients who continue to suffer symptoms for months 1491 01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:55.279 or years after their body is clear of the Borellia bacteria. 1492 01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:59.399 There is a whole big controversy around chronic lime that 1493 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.680 touches really similar territory to our Morgallon's episode that we 1494 01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:04.760 just did, so we won't get into the whole thing. 1495 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:08.079 But I found a quote from infectious disease specialists Jake 1496 01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:12.119 Scott who told Stanford Medicine quote, when patients tell me 1497 01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:16.720 about ongoing fatigue, pain, and cognitive difficulties, I believe them completely. 1498 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.880 These symptoms are real and debilitating, but the science shows 1499 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:24.439 us they aren't caused by persistent line bacteria, so we 1500 01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:27.560 need to look for other treatable causes. So basically, a 1501 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.239 lot of times when someone has chronic lime, they check 1502 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:32.359 to see if there's any of these bacteria in the body. 1503 01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:34.880 There aren't, and now there's a question of. 1504 01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:36.840 Well, what do we do, because we know how to 1505 01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:38.760 get rid of the bacteria, right, but we don't know 1506 01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:40.279 how to get rid of whatever right. 1507 01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.000 And so there's still a mystery as to does the 1508 01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:46.039 bacteria change something in some people's bodies so that this 1509 01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:49.239 becomes an ongoing problem. There's some people who believe that 1510 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:53.800 these bacteria have an ability to like essentially like hibernate 1511 01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:57.920 in your in your tissues, and and after over a 1512 01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.279 certain period of time, they come back out and they 1513 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:02.479 cause problems. And then when doctors go to look for them. 1514 01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:05.800 They rehibernate or whatever. There's there's a lot of theories 1515 01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:09.239 as to like what's really going on, some of them 1516 01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:14.039 more grounded in reality than others. But I do believe 1517 01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:17.680 that a lot of doctors understand that something is going 1518 01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:19.439 on and they just don't they don't know how to 1519 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:23.680 treat it. My dad actually told me at least that 1520 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:27.000 he suffered from chronic lime disease in when I was 1521 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:30.640 like end of high school through college. He was struggling 1522 01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:32.640 with something and I wasn't home very much, so I 1523 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:35.319 wasn't around him. But I remember him saying that it 1524 01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:37.720 was a tick problem and he thought it was ongoing lime. 1525 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:41.319 And but then for him, once he moved back to Italy, 1526 01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:42.439 it seems like a cleared up. 1527 01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:43.600 So I guess it wasn't. 1528 01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:45.760 I guess it wasn't. You know, I don't know. I 1529 01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.720 don't know. You have a family member suffering from this, 1530 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.199 so you know people well, family friends, family friends. So 1531 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:55.119 all that said, lime disease is not really the scariest 1532 01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:57.960 disease you can get from a tick. There are worse ones. 1533 01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.399 The scariest one I found in my recent search is 1534 01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:04.840 called poassin disease named after Poasin, Ontario, where the first 1535 01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:07.840 known case is They identified in nineteen fifty eight, a 1536 01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:11.319 five year old boy from a nearby town developed severe encephalitis, 1537 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:14.720 which is like swelling of the brain and died or 1538 01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:16.920 I guess is it swelling or is it you get 1539 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:18.079 like liquid in your brain. 1540 01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:19.680 Either one can kill you. 1541 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.600 It sounds like during his autopsy doctors were able to 1542 01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:26.039 isolate the virus from his brain and study it for 1543 01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:29.840 decades after that. Poasin was just basically sort of this footnote. 1544 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.000 It was like a curiosity. It was in textbooks, but 1545 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:34.039 it almost never showed up in people. 1546 01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:36.680 It's one of those things where Doctor House at the 1547 01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:39.319 end of the episode was yeah, maybe it's Poassi. Yeah, 1548 01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:41.199 but also that thing, I think there's like a real 1549 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:44.560 term for it that doctors have where it's like it's 1550 01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:48.079 probably not the craziest most obscure thing. First, like it's 1551 01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:50.359 probably just strepped through you know what I mean, Like, 1552 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:52.840 don't go straight to like it might it's fucking fasciitis 1553 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:54.880 or whatever. I was like, Nah, it probably isn't. 1554 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.680 From nineteen fifty eight to nineteen ninety eight, there was 1555 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.119 less than one human case per year year across the 1556 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:04.000 US and Canada. Okay, but then in the early two 1557 01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:07.479 thousands it started showing up more often and worse. 1558 01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:09.319 Oh my god, like low rise genes. 1559 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:15.960 Yeah, exactly. So four things make poasens genuinely the most 1560 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:17.920 frightening disease I think that you can get from a tick. 1561 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:20.800 The first is a transmission speed. So per the Vermont 1562 01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:24.079 Department of Health, one study showed that an infected tick 1563 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:29.319 can transmit poassens in as little as fifteen minutes. Lime disease, 1564 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:32.920 by comparison, typically requires twenty four to thirty six hours 1565 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.119 of being attached to the host. 1566 01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:38.119 Question though, if it's attached, if a lime disease tick 1567 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:42.319 jumps on you, does its whole fucking at home surgery? Yeah, 1568 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:46.119 and then you grab its ass after twenty minutes, Could 1569 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.199 it have done it in that twenty minutes or are 1570 01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:50.520 you in the clear because it takes like three hours. 1571 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:52.399 It just it doesn't matter, right because the bacteriy you 1572 01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:54.560 can get in at any moment. But I don't know. 1573 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:56.119 That's the question is like, like, if you get a 1574 01:13:56.119 --> 01:13:58.680 tick out off your ass in like in the day 1575 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:01.479 you found it, are you probably go with lime disease? 1576 01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:02.760 Like he didn't get it in there. 1577 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:05.920 Correct, it's unlikely that it would transfer in less than 1578 01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:09.720 twenty four hours. Okay, with Poassin's by the time you 1579 01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:12.000 notice the tick, you probably have the disease. 1580 01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:13.960 But almost no one ever has this. He's just like 1581 01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:17.319 it comes from lazy ticks, well, who are just like, 1582 01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:18.640 can't be bothered to write. 1583 01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:20.439 Someone people used to never have it. 1584 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.560 You're saying it's on the rise, like the g Yeah, 1585 01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:25.199 so who's getting now? Just everybody? 1586 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.000 Lots more people, Yeah, lots more people. 1587 01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:29.560 And what was that? What happens when you get that? 1588 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:30.560 You turned into a tick? 1589 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:32.119 That brings me to point number two? 1590 01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:33.640 Fucking better or not be what I just said? 1591 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:36.439 It's not okay, it's a little worse. 1592 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:37.720 Oh no. 1593 01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:43.079 When Poassin becomes severe, which is about ten percent. 1594 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:45.359 Of cases, remember ten acting tough acting? In fact that 1595 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:48.439 acting was it fast acting as well at one point 1596 01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:52.079 in this case is fact as facts acting Potassin. 1597 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:52.840 Poe Assin poet. 1598 01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:55.439 Either way, we're gonna have to dig up John Madden 1599 01:14:55.479 --> 01:14:55.680 for this. 1600 01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:02.000 When Poeasin goes severe, it goes catas traphic. Most cases 1601 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.079 are asymptomatic or just appear to be mild. Flu Symptoms 1602 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:09.039 might include fever, headache, nausea, occasional confusion, and weakness. With 1603 01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:13.119 severe poacid illness, victims should be hospitalized because the symptoms 1604 01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:17.520 can worsen. If not treated, symptoms can extend to meningen 1605 01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.680 meningitis basically meninginocephalitis. 1606 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:21.800 There we go, okay. 1607 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:25.800 If not treated, symptoms can extend to meninginocephalitis, which may 1608 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:30.680 include seizures, aphasia, cranial nerve policies, paralysis, and altered mental states. 1609 01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:34.439 About ten percent of cases go neuroinvasive, which means the 1610 01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:37.680 virus crosses the blood brain barrier and per the. 1611 01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:39.800 Same I don't even have that barrier to keep this 1612 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:43.239 shit out, I'm saying. But if it doesn't work, that works. 1613 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:46.199 Most of the time. But when I mean, that's the 1614 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:49.600 same thing that the brain eating domba we talked about. Yeah, 1615 01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:52.039 those amibas have to cross the blood brain barrier to 1616 01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:54.560 get to your brain, and the quickest way is up 1617 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:58.359 through your schnauzo man. So about ten percent of cases 1618 01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:02.840 go neuinvasive. At about ten percent of those die and 1619 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:07.000 roughly half of the survivors are left with permanent neurological damage. 1620 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:09.479 So it is tough acting finase, it's. 1621 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:13.560 Tough acting, fast acting John Madden bad as in poacin, 1622 01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:18.399 Damn Dude, muscle weakness, paralysis, memory problems, and personality changes. 1623 01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:21.600 I have this. Every time we do an episode. I'm 1624 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:22.479 always like I have it. 1625 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:29.119 Regellance can all result from this permanent neurological damage. And 1626 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:31.920 as I mentioned, this disease is getting worse. There is 1627 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.199 less than one case per year up until nineteen ninety eight. 1628 01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:38.479 From twenty six to twenty sixteen, that climb to nine 1629 01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:41.800 per year, and Maine has had four poass in deaths 1630 01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:45.159 alone in the past decade, including one as recently as twenty. 1631 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:46.840 Twenty four coming over the border. 1632 01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:50.800 And there is still no treatment, no vaccine, nothing can 1633 01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:54.720 be done. The treatment Yell Medicine describes is quote supportive, 1634 01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:57.760 meaning they basically put you out of ventilator and they 1635 01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:00.800 manage your brain swelling and hope you survive. 1636 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:03.159 That is that is worse? I would say it's worse 1637 01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.359 because a lot more people get lime and it could 1638 01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:07.960 maybe be knocked up by steroids. Sounds like every person 1639 01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:09.439 who gets this diets for it. 1640 01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:13.119 That's it, Bud, Sorry, well you got bit ten percent? 1641 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:14.319 Is that's it? 1642 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:17.880 Oh, it's like online dating numbers, got it, but pretty 1643 01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:20.800 small the top in anything. 1644 01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:24.119 If it swipes right on breaking your blood brain barrier though, 1645 01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:26.960 you're you're definitely going to have a bad time. It's 1646 01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:28.920 not going to be a good Okay. 1647 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:31.479 Okay, I I had thought that that nine cases were 1648 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.319 all dead zo's or like ventilator. 1649 01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.560 Oh, that's a good question. Well, Maine has had four 1650 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:39.399 poassin deaths in the past decade. I don't know if 1651 01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:43.279 the number of cases that are mentioned here we're all 1652 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.680 fatal or not. It doesn't mention if any were or not. 1653 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:49.279 But in any case, the disease is becoming more widespread. 1654 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.840 So Amibas are moving north, yeah, and tough act in. 1655 01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:57.399 Poassin is coming south Canada down and then Amimbas are 1656 01:17:57.399 --> 01:17:58.479 coming from the south up north. 1657 01:17:58.479 --> 01:17:59.439 It's spreading everywhere. 1658 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:01.760 So where I don't know, I tell you this, but Kansas, 1659 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.279 you're you're being You're in a war on two fronts. 1660 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:05.279 You don't even realize it. 1661 01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:07.560 Well, the third disease we're going to cover is also 1662 01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:10.359 coming from the south of North, So Kansas is gonna 1663 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:13.880 get ding double duty here. Okay, Alpha gal We're back 1664 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:15.640 to our main gal Alpha. 1665 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:16.520 Gal Alpha gal Gado. 1666 01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:20.279 It's less fatal. The good the good ed had to say, 1667 01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:22.479 alpha gal gado the way that some people just have 1668 01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:26.279 to sneeze. Is this third disease I want to cover 1669 01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:31.680 is less fatal than poassi ins and bore, probably less 1670 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:35.960 fatal than lime, but it is definitely the weirdest on 1671 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:36.479 this list. 1672 01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:38.319 So now you're getting turned into a tick. 1673 01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:42.079 I actually thought that this was when I first read this, 1674 01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:44.640 I was like, oh, this is like a more gallons thing. 1675 01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:47.000 This is like maybe it's real, maybe it's not, but 1676 01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:48.159 it's it's real. 1677 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:48.920 It turns out real. 1678 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:51.000 It turns out one hundred percent real. There is a 1679 01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:54.000 tick in the United States that if it bites you 1680 01:18:54.560 --> 01:19:00.399 can leave you permanently allergic to red meat, not just beef, pork, lamb, tenison, 1681 01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:02.960 any kind of mammal meat in general, and in many 1682 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:06.880 patients dairy as well. The resulting allergic reaction can range 1683 01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:09.760 from rashes and hives to nausea to full on anaphylactic 1684 01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:13.439 shock that requires hospitalization, and in twenty twenty four we 1685 01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:16.159 had the first fatal case that struck a man who 1686 01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:19.760 died a few hours after eating a hamburger. It sounds 1687 01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.039 more like a wizard's curse than a real disease. 1688 01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:24.199 This don't. I'm trying to like wrap my hand around it. 1689 01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:26.239 But according to the CDC, which I feel like is 1690 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:28.800 something we've said a lot in this episode. It's called 1691 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:32.399 alpha gal syndrome and it works like this. So quote 1692 01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.039 this is what the CDC says. Alpha gal is a 1693 01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:38.800 sugar molecule that is naturally produced in the bodies of 1694 01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:42.600 most mammals, but not in people. It can also be 1695 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:46.159 found in the saliva of some ticks. So when that 1696 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.439 tick bites you, it transfers alpha gal from its saliva 1697 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:53.359 into your blood, and the body's natural defenses or immune 1698 01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.760 system can identify alpha gal as a threat and trigger 1699 01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:01.000 an allergic reaction. But not right not at the bit. 1700 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:02.399 Because they're doing that thing that they do where they 1701 01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:05.000 fucking put you under hypnosis while. 1702 01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:07.399 You oh yeah, you're like yes please. 1703 01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.560 The most common they're not the bacteria you're looking for, 1704 01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:13.560 like Jedi mind trick your white blood cells or whatever. 1705 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:17.279 The most common alpha gal carrying tick in the US 1706 01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:20.399 is a tick we mentioned earlier, the lone Star tick. 1707 01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:21.479 Now. 1708 01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:25.319 It is originally from the state of Texas, Okay, but 1709 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:27.800 it is not named after the state of Texas. It 1710 01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:29.880 is named for the fact that it has Each of 1711 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:32.560 these ticks has a single white dot on its back 1712 01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:34.439 that looks like a lone star. 1713 01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:37.319 So when you're a hammer, everything was like a nail. 1714 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:39.840 I guess you're already in Texas. Can you find it? 1715 01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:41.159 And that's probably where your brain went. 1716 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:44.239 But thanks to climate change, which I think is probably 1717 01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:48.239 the reason a lot of these diseases, the amibas are 1718 01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:51.720 moving north. On climate change, we're getting warmer winters, longer 1719 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:55.039 active tick seasons, and the deer populations are exploding and 1720 01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:58.119 they often hitch rides on deer, so that has helped 1721 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.359 the lone Star tick move steadily nor in East. As 1722 01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:04.039 of twenty twenty six, it is well established in New York, 1723 01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:06.600 New Jersey, Connecticut and showing up as far north as 1724 01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:08.880 main where a lot of these ticks and tick based 1725 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:10.319 diseases are starting to show up. 1726 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:12.159 A lot of the grounds going sour is what they 1727 01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:14.960 say about that place right in uh Pet Cemetery. 1728 01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:17.479 Yep, yep. The what's his? 1729 01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:19.520 Herman Monster doesn't matter? 1730 01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.439 It doesn't matter, Yeah, I had he has another quote 1731 01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:22.279 from that movie. 1732 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:23.399 That probably is another name too. 1733 01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:28.600 That credit as Herman Munster. As according to a twenty 1734 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:32.279 twenty three CDC report. Between twenty ten and twenty twenty two, 1735 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:35.760 the agency identified roughly one hundred and ten thousand suspected 1736 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:38.760 cases of alpha gal in the US, and they note 1737 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.199 in the same report that the real number is almost 1738 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:42.319 certainly higher than that. 1739 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:45.600 Do you think In many ways, I always thought of 1740 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:50.399 the hamburglar as a person who loves hamburgers and needs 1741 01:21:50.439 --> 01:21:54.399 to steal them. Presumably the sacramanburgers will be eaten by 1742 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:58.000 him later or sold on the black market unclear, But 1743 01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:01.159 in many ways, these ticks are the ill hamburglars. 1744 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:04.079 They're stealing burglars, burglar all of us. 1745 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:08.039 Yep. They're stealing the enjoyment of hamburgers, yes, away from 1746 01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:08.680 their victims. 1747 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:10.720 Well, and part of what is crazy that I don't 1748 01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:12.920 get into really, But what was in the research is 1749 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:16.560 that the first rash of cases where people started noticing 1750 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.960 that something very bizarre was happening was in the South, 1751 01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:23.159 where people who had spent their whole lives eating lots 1752 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:26.039 of red meat and sausages and hamburgers. 1753 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:26.840 Okay, barbecue and stuff. 1754 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:29.399 Yeah, all of a sudden started getting these wild allergic 1755 01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:32.720 reactions to me that they never had before. And that's 1756 01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:35.239 part of what started the investigation into like, what the 1757 01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:37.600 fuck is going on red meat? I don't I have. 1758 01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:39.920 I haven't had red meat since October of last year. 1759 01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:42.920 I have not eaten red meat. Well, i've There's been 1760 01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:45.079 a few instances for one reason or another, but I 1761 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:48.560 generally ninety nine percent of the time have not had 1762 01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:50.560 red meat since like two thousand and eight. 1763 01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:52.880 I haven't had it since October, which is the longest 1764 01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:55.960 patch since the crib. Yeah, and so, but the thing 1765 01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:57.960 is is that we might be eaten alive nightly by 1766 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:00.479 these and we don't even know that's true. You're not 1767 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:01.000 testing it. 1768 01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:03.399 I haven't had a tick bite since two thousand and eight. 1769 01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:06.079 It that you know of because you're not having anaphylactic 1770 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:07.720 shock when you eat a cheeseburger. 1771 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:10.399 Have I talked on this show before about the allergic 1772 01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:13.359 reaction I had when I first met my wife slash 1773 01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:14.920 now with then the girlfriend. 1774 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:17.199 You had an allergic reaction when you first met Anna. 1775 01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:21.760 Yeah, so it's when I first started. I mean, it wasn't. 1776 01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:23.560 It wasn't like I met her and had an allergic 1777 01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:24.319 reaction to her. 1778 01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:27.880 But it's pretty quiet. The first date, my throat closed uff. 1779 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.439 I was struggling to breathe. No when I when when 1780 01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:33.560 we first met, when I first started staying over at 1781 01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:36.239 her place, I started waking up in the mornings with 1782 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:41.000 my lips completely swollen, like borderline anaphylaxis, Like. 1783 01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:42.600 She was injecting your lips when you slept. 1784 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:45.640 It looked like it. It looked like it looked like 1785 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:48.079 I was having like I looked like, who's that YouTuber? 1786 01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:50.840 Couldn't tell you, James Charles, I think. 1787 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:52.239 She genuinely doesn't not help me. I don't know who 1788 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:52.520 that is. 1789 01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:55.640 I looked insane in the mornings, and they were itchy, 1790 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:59.079 and it was clearly an allergic reaction to something, and 1791 01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:02.800 I'd never been an alluri just before. Like for months, 1792 01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:06.119 I was like, because it didn't happen every time that 1793 01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:08.279 I saw her. It didn't happen like every time that 1794 01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:09.000 I ate there. 1795 01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:10.800 It like about every time you stayed over. 1796 01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:14.880 It happened fairly often when I stayed over, okay, and 1797 01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:18.800 could not figure out what the fuck was going on. 1798 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:21.119 So I went I got tested for all kinds of allergies. 1799 01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:22.439 Everything came back negative. 1800 01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:25.279 You were like, damn, girl, wash these sheets. 1801 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:26.279 I started. 1802 01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.079 I was leaving with fucking pink eye, and my lips 1803 01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:30.680 are all like eight times bigger. 1804 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:33.920 I was like going around her apartment literally, like looking 1805 01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:36.279 at objects or foods. At one point, I was like, 1806 01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:39.239 maybe she had like pink salt instead of like more 1807 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:42.600 than she And I was like googling, like can you 1808 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.520 have allergic reaction to Himalayan pink salt? And like some 1809 01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:47.079 people could, So I was like, well, maybe I won't 1810 01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:49.680 use that salt anymore, like could not figure it out. 1811 01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:51.479 And she she was like she was like I was 1812 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:54.319 so worried because I was. She was like, I'd finally 1813 01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:55.920 met this guy that I was in love with, and 1814 01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:59.800 it seemed like he was allergic to me somehow. And 1815 01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:00.920 I was like, no, no. 1816 01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:02.520 No, your fucking dirty ass. 1817 01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:06.640 Turns out it was the arm and hammer baking soda 1818 01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:09.960 toothpaste that she had. And the reason that it was 1819 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:12.359 not every night was because she had a there was 1820 01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:12.840 like a. 1821 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:14.760 Couple of reser teeth every once every seven day. No, 1822 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:16.239 she just rushes the one she wants to get. 1823 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.920 It was when I used that toothpaste. But she also 1824 01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:21.640 had like a crest, like a blue you know, toothpaste, 1825 01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:23.319 and you know, sometimes they'd be like, oh, I want 1826 01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:24.960 the minty fresh, right, you know, so I would just 1827 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:31.039 do the other one, no crust and so so yeah, 1828 01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:33.840 I and I don't even remember how I figured that out, 1829 01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:35.720 but at some point, But. 1830 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:37.520 Then, did you have to tell her you can't use 1831 01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:39.159 it because then if you kiss, you're gonna get all 1832 01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:39.880 blow up? Like? 1833 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:42.279 Oh we she it was funny she had bought. 1834 01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:43.840 It was to become an Akward Fresh house. 1835 01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:46.960 No she well, yeah, she'd bought like a fifteen pack 1836 01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:49.520 at Costco or something. And I was like, in the trash, Yeah, 1837 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:52.520 it's going out, and I should I should. I should 1838 01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:55.880 go look it up again someday because the I forget 1839 01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:57.880 there was an active ingredient in it. That was the 1840 01:25:57.880 --> 01:25:59.880 thing that I was allergic to. It wasn't baking soda 1841 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:01.079 or whatever, but it. 1842 01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:02.880 Was the generational wealth. 1843 01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:04.319 Oh that's what it was. 1844 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:08.079 I had arm and ammers, army ammers, Yes, that's his family. 1845 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:11.720 It was the it's in whatever the active ingredient is 1846 01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:15.199 is in other armen Hammer products. Because I remembered years prior, 1847 01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:18.279 and I hadn't even ever thought about it until this 1848 01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:22.479 had happened, but I had had a really bizarre allergic 1849 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:27.479 reaction to underarm deodorant. Oh, where I was getting these 1850 01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:30.960 big red welts all under my arms and I don't remember, 1851 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:33.159 but I am almost one thousand percent certain that I 1852 01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:35.159 must have been using an arm and hammer. 1853 01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:36.479 Because they make that too deodorant. 1854 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:38.159 Yeah, so he was now. 1855 01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:42.239 Old spies. Yeah, but not like the one our dad's 1856 01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:45.199 had that weird smell. No. I also use old spice, 1857 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:47.920 just like a basic old spice, So I'm using some 1858 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:48.760 sort of fresh scent. 1859 01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:49.680 Yeah, exactly. 1860 01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:52.800 My dad and everyone of his generation had like that 1861 01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:56.279 little old spice like bottle and it was just fucking 1862 01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:00.359 the roastest smell to me. Yeah, lot was a loan 1863 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:02.560 where I don't know what if that was even what 1864 01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:04.279 that is necessarily, No, I. 1865 01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:05.600 Think I don't think old spices. 1866 01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:06.640 It might have been after shave. 1867 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:08.439 Who knows after shave. 1868 01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:11.600 I was just like, yeah. And so the fact that 1869 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:13.960 they figured out there are other smells and have become 1870 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:18.479 pretty successful company. Yeah, they had weird commercials. 1871 01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:20.319 So maybe you can put that up on the patreot. 1872 01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:23.359 Maybe that's some bonus material for the fans. 1873 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:26.479 But pictures of you with bumps on your body, oh. 1874 01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:27.720 I could give you pictures of me. 1875 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:29.840 Well, what is the thing we're putting up the story. 1876 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:31.640 We can leave the story in the episode, or you 1877 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:33.000 can just cut it out. It's got nothing to do 1878 01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:36.279 with the rest of the episode, I guess, and I'll 1879 01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:38.640 definitely I'll after this, I'll show you some of the 1880 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:41.359 pictures because I took selfies being like, what is happening 1881 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:46.079 to me? So anyway, back to red meat disease. The 1882 01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:48.880 CDC's best current estimate is that as many as four 1883 01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:51.640 hundred and fifty thousand Americans might be living with alpha 1884 01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:55.800 gal syndrome right now without ever having gotten a formal diagnosis. 1885 01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:59.079 That gap is mostly because the syndrome is so new 1886 01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:02.039 that doctors out side of heavily effective regions have either 1887 01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:04.199 never heard of it or have only ever heard of 1888 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:07.960 it in passing. So sometimes patients spend years bouncing between 1889 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:11.199 specialists without anyone ever connecting the dots to go, oh, hey, 1890 01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:13.319 did you ever have a tick bite? Or you know, 1891 01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:17.079 maybe it's that This though, has resulted in an explosion 1892 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:20.319 of headlines recently about alpha gal, which is one of 1893 01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:22.359 the reasons that I ended up doing this episode was 1894 01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:25.039 I had a few weeks ago I saw some headline 1895 01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:26.159 about this tick disease and. 1896 01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:28.920 You're just like you're on some weird forum. It's like, 1897 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:30.720 who can I need Hamburgers? Now? 1898 01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:36.640 Am still hanging out with all my allergy friends. It's 1899 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:39.640 starting to become one of the more well known tick 1900 01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:42.640 or they call them vector based diseases now, which is 1901 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:45.000 the term for when like the tick is the vector, 1902 01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:48.000 it's not actually the cause of the disease, the bacteria 1903 01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:48.800 in its guts, like. 1904 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:50.640 The way bubonic plague with like a rat would be 1905 01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:51.199 a vector. 1906 01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:54.359 Yet well the flea would be the vector vessels. I 1907 01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:57.760 don't know, you know, ask a scientist. But here's the 1908 01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:01.000 really other bad news and fuck up thing about this 1909 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:05.239 alpha gal disease, the alpha gal molecule that your body 1910 01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:08.239 can then start to have. Once it's introduced, you can 1911 01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:11.279 start to have this allergic reaction to it. It's not 1912 01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:15.359 just in food, It's in fucking like everything. 1913 01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:17.960 Excuse me. It's I thought it was like a weird 1914 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:19.239 sugar that other mammals made. 1915 01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:22.640 It's in meat and dairy. It's in gelatin, which means. 1916 01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:23.760 Which is in horsebones. 1917 01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:27.239 Yep, A lot of these things are are animal derived. 1918 01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:30.760 But so like any gel pill, any gel capsule pill. 1919 01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:35.319 Is this because you said that the sugar thing is 1920 01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:38.720 in these other mammals. Yes, so by virtue of their 1921 01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:41.760 body at any point producing it means that the byproduct 1922 01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:43.760 of them has It. 1923 01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:44.760 Is in many of these products. 1924 01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:47.840 Yes, and you're having allergic reaction, not to red meat necessarily, 1925 01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:49.279 but to this weird right. 1926 01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:53.000 Yes, it most often shows up in red meat, but 1927 01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:54.159 it can show up. 1928 01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:55.920 In gelatin and gel caps. 1929 01:29:55.600 --> 01:30:01.439 And gummy vitamins. It's in a compound called magnesium stereiate, 1930 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.239 which is in basically every supplement on the shelf in 1931 01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:07.319 every store in America. It's in glycerin based soaps. It's 1932 01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:10.079 in body washes, it's in some vaccines, it's in snake 1933 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:13.119 anti venom. It's in the most it's the most common 1934 01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:16.279 blood thinner in the world, is called pig derived heeperin, 1935 01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:18.159 which is a blood thinner. It can be in that. 1936 01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:21.640 It's in some cow tissue, prosthetic heart valves. It's in 1937 01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:26.159 surgical sutures, tattoo inks, and contact and contact lens solutions, 1938 01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:29.520 which is extra crazy because imagine you're an alpha gal 1939 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:33.680 patient who needs an important surgery. The antibio the capsules 1940 01:30:33.680 --> 01:30:36.520 you're antibiotics, or it could send you in anaphylactic shock, 1941 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:39.159 the sutures could send you into anaphalactic shock, the heart 1942 01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:41.680 valve replacement, the all. 1943 01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:43.159 This has to be in the pit next season. 1944 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.399 It really should be call us. 1945 01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:51.560 It is crazy. I know that there are latex versus 1946 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:54.640 non latex glove things for like they ask you about 1947 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:57.520 that for surgeries and stuff. Yeah, but beyond that, I 1948 01:30:57.520 --> 01:30:58.920 don't think they're like, hey, would you like us to 1949 01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:00.640 change everything that we do here? 1950 01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:01.960 Well, and I don't know for sure, but I wonder 1951 01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:04.960 if maybe some of these animal based products were derived 1952 01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:09.359 as latex alternatives in some cases, like you know, they 1953 01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:13.159 needed a different stretchy thing so they started. I don't know, 1954 01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:15.439 but it's not good if you have this all of 1955 01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.960 a sudden, just like going to the doctor can become 1956 01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:18.600 a sounds like. 1957 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:21.359 Going into leaving your bed or getting in bed is 1958 01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:25.319 a problem. Yeah, this is a that's a truly I 1959 01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:28.399 could see now why it's kind of worse and weirder. Yeah. 1960 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.359 Yeah, and one of the other crazy things. This is 1961 01:31:31.399 --> 01:31:33.359 a whole long aside. I ended up cutting it from 1962 01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:37.680 the episode, but I want to mention it. The investigation 1963 01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:40.920 into this allergic reaction to alpha gal touches on a 1964 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:44.039 whole bunch of other medical science, but the one of 1965 01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:46.640 the ways that they figured out what was going on. 1966 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:49.680 Yeah, it must have been a tough nuts to crack. 1967 01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:52.079 It was a tough nuts to crack is originally I 1968 01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.680 don't even remember exactly how, but it was originally connected 1969 01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:58.479 to like a cancer drug that accidentally introduced alpha gall 1970 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:01.520 into some people's systems and not led to a whole 1971 01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:05.000 bunch of allergic reactions. But anyway, basically, the like Sherlock 1972 01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:09.039 Holmes doc the doctor House who was investigating what was 1973 01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:12.199 going on, got bit by a tick and developed alpha 1974 01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:14.640 gala syndrome and that's how he figured it out. 1975 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:18.479 That's fucking that's astronauts situation where it's like we've talked 1976 01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:21.840 about this on other times, where like the original Astronauts, 1977 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:24.279 the Mercury Savin or whatever they before they landed on 1978 01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:26.640 these guys, they were gonna go like Hollywood stunt man, yeah, 1979 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:28.800 dared evils and like who would be crazy enough to 1980 01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:31.119 strap themselves to a rocket? Yeah, And they found out 1981 01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:33.680 pretty quickly it's no help to us if it's not 1982 01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:35.319 an engineer or somebody out there. 1983 01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:37.600 You can fix the rocket if something goes wrong with that. 1984 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:39.600 But just they can say, hey, this is what's happening 1985 01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:41.640 and try and diagnose it in real time and have 1986 01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:45.279 like a scientific method mind of for when you build 1987 01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:47.920 the next one, I won't fall out if you do this, 1988 01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:50.640 or maybe it's a thruster thing or blah blah blah. 1989 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:52.560 And so it's just interesting that, like it took a 1990 01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:56.039 guy who has to know how to see a cause 1991 01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:59.399 and effect to have been bitten by a tick and 1992 01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:02.359 go wait a minut. That's the thing that was different. Yeah, 1993 01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:04.119 and and like I don't know, just somebody who has 1994 01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:06.560 the it bit the wrong person if it wanted to 1995 01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:12.199 stay man. Yeah, someone who was equipped to be able 1996 01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:14.560 to tell you what went wrong and here's how and 1997 01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:16.560 diagnose what may have happened. 1998 01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:18.520 Yeah, he still wasn't really able to stop it. 1999 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:19.439 Did he get the tick? 2000 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:20.840 I don't know if he got the tick, but he 2001 01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:21.399 got the disease. 2002 01:33:21.399 --> 01:33:23.000 It's like a spider man get bit and then if 2003 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:24.880 the spider died or it went away, you know what 2004 01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:26.560 I mean, he doesn't have the spider anymore. 2005 01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:30.479 I'm sure he doesn't because he got bit by the 2006 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:32.520 tick and then came down with the disease. But I'm 2007 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:34.119 sure by then the tick was long gone. 2008 01:33:34.279 --> 01:33:34.960 Tick left. 2009 01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:37.479 Yeah, because he wasn't. It's not like he was. He 2010 01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:40.960 wasn't investigating ticks already. He just happened to, he put 2011 01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:43.079 he was like, wait a second, this just happened. Wait, 2012 01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:45.359 we should check to see what's going on with the ticks. 2013 01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:47.119 And then that's yeah. I'm just saying that it would be. 2014 01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:49.439 I'm sure when he told his friend about it, they're like, 2015 01:33:49.479 --> 01:33:52.119 would you still have the tick? We can see if 2016 01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:55.359 it's got all the task down, Yeah, and beat it 2017 01:33:55.359 --> 01:33:57.720 out of it. 2018 01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:58.079 With very small fists. 2019 01:33:58.199 --> 01:33:59.199 Yeah. 2020 01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:01.399 The last thing I want to flag about the Lone 2021 01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:04.039 Star tick is where it's been showing up. We talked 2022 01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:06.560 earlier about how it's been steadily spreading north out of 2023 01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:08.680 Texas all the way up into Maine. 2024 01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:09.359 Riding the rails. 2025 01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:14.359 Yeah, hobo ticks, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure hobos have 2026 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:15.640 had some crazy ticks too. 2027 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:18.199 I don't even want to It's the only thing that 2028 01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.239 kills the tick community is a bit a hobo, and 2029 01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:23.199 then it brings that back to its community of like 2030 01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:25.159 it's got rail riding disease. 2031 01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:29.239 I don't know the standard explanation for how it's spreading 2032 01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:31.920 so far and wide is climate change, and that is 2033 01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:36.920 almost certainly, probably definitely most of the story. But the 2034 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:40.239 lone star tick really did seem to start showing up 2035 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:43.319 in the Northeast in a hurry. And one of the 2036 01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:49.159 places it landed earliest and most aggressively, Actuary City. No, no, no, no, 2037 01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:53.119 not a sanctuary for ticks happens to be right across 2038 01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:57.039 the water from a US government bio weapons lab. So 2039 01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.800 buckle up, baby, because it is time for Chris's Spiracy Corner. 2040 01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:04.960 So the town of Old Lime, Connecticut, where the original 2041 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:08.239 lime disease cluster popped up in the nineteen seventies, sits 2042 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:09.520 on Long Island Sound. 2043 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:12.039 Well did you when you stayed with my family? 2044 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:16.119 I did, And I didn't even realize until fairly recently 2045 01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:18.520 in my life that that's what the Long Island Sound was, 2046 01:35:18.600 --> 01:35:20.039 because they didn't grow up anywhere near it. 2047 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:23.000 Sure, yeah, when you look out, that's not the Atlantic Ocean. 2048 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:25.239 Right, it's the Long Island Sound is the body of 2049 01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:28.039 water between Connecticut and the north shore of Long Island, 2050 01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:32.239 and about nine miles offshore from Old Lime, almost in 2051 01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:35.039 a directly straight line. Across the water, is a small 2052 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:38.800 piece of land called Plum Island. Now Plumb Island has 2053 01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:41.840 lots of conspiracy theories floating around it, some of which 2054 01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:44.479 helped inspire stranger things, some of which I'm sure have 2055 01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:49.880 helped inspire heinous acts individuals who believe that they are 2056 01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:55.279 stopping a government conspiracy. But Plum Island in reality has 2057 01:35:55.359 --> 01:35:58.560 been home since the nineteen fifties to the Plum Island 2058 01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:02.520 Animal Disease Center, which on paper is a USDA facility 2059 01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:05.600 that researches foreign animal diseases like foot and mouth disease 2060 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:09.479 and African swine fever. Off paper, according to a lot 2061 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:14.079 of different investigative journalists, declassified documents, and the like, it 2062 01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:16.359 has also been home to a story that the federal 2063 01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:19.279 government would prefer you didn't poke too hard at. And 2064 01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:23.800 that story, of course, starts with the Nazi. In two 2065 01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:26.800 thousand and four, an attorney named Michael Christopher Carroll, not 2066 01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:30.439 the Nazi, just to be clear, published a book called 2067 01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:33.359 Lab two fifty seven, The Disturbing Story of the Government's 2068 01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:39.319 Secret Germ Laboratory German Laboratory. Germ Laboratory also may have 2069 01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:42.520 had a German involved. This book was a big deal. 2070 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:44.720 It was a New York Times bestseller Today's Show Book 2071 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:47.720 Club pick. It spent years on the radar. Carol had 2072 01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:49.680 spent the better part of a decade going through a 2073 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:52.520 bunch of declassified documents in the National Archives. And the 2074 01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:55.960 picture that he assembled is one of those things that 2075 01:36:56.199 --> 01:36:58.760 it's well researched and it kind of feels like history, 2076 01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:01.520 but it also has got a touch conspiracy to it. Okay, 2077 01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:05.560 according to Carol, and a and a CounterPunch piece by 2078 01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:09.640 this guy, Carl Grossman that kind of summarizes Carol's findings. 2079 01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:13.760 Here's basically what happened after World War two ended. As 2080 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:17.600 we've discussed before, up paper Clip. Operation paper Clip was 2081 01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:24.279 a government classified intelligence program that brought valuable or scientists 2082 01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:27.680 that they considered valuable from Nazi Germany to America. 2083 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:30.680 Not just America, I think a couple of the Allied nations. 2084 01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:33.600 Well, and a lot of it was inspired by a race. 2085 01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:35.760 They knew that if we didn't grab them, the Soviets 2086 01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:38.039 were going to grab them. Even though the Soviets also 2087 01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:42.000 hated the Nazis, they wanted to pull the as much 2088 01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:44.520 of the brain power that worked against them. 2089 01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:47.600 I just needed people. They lost like twenty five million 2090 01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:50.199 people world War two They didn't even ask if you 2091 01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:50.840 were a scientist. 2092 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.000 They were like, hey, the doors open, Yeah, my back 2093 01:37:55.119 --> 01:37:57.199 is turned. You do what you want, you fly the 2094 01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:00.439 Russian flag man, no questions asked. But anyway, Yes, there 2095 01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:02.479 was a competition basically to get the best of the 2096 01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:04.760 brightest from Nazi Germany, which is the horrible thing to say, 2097 01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:08.680 but it did happen, and we brought hundreds of former 2098 01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:12.439 Nazis into the country. Their backgrounds were laundered, they were 2099 01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:16.079 given research positions inside the government and in the military. 2100 01:38:17.079 --> 01:38:19.520 Werner von Braun is the most famous of these. 2101 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:23.680 Yeah, he's on TV with Walt Disney doing like teach 2102 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:25.239 kids about rockets and sciences. 2103 01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.319 Yes, he ended up running the Apollo program. Yeah, for NASA, 2104 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:31.479 very well a Nazi. Well you're aware. I don't know 2105 01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:36.319 if he's aware there's someone else listening to this conversation podcast. 2106 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:39.840 I never remember. He's also in the first season of 2107 01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:44.239 For All Mankind, which is a little little guilty pleasure show. 2108 01:38:44.279 --> 01:38:48.560 I like, yeah, but our subject is not Werner von Braun. 2109 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.680 Our subject. The relevant paper clip recruit for this story 2110 01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:55.119 is a guy named Eric Traub. During the war, Troub 2111 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:57.760 had been the lab chief of a Nazi bio weapons 2112 01:38:57.760 --> 01:39:00.880 facility called in cell Reams, which just sounds evil. 2113 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.760 Well, now, well that's taken on new meanings. 2114 01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:07.399 It sat on a little crescent shaped island in the 2115 01:39:07.399 --> 01:39:11.039 Baltic Sea, and he reported directly to Heinrich Himmler. His 2116 01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:15.720 specialty was developing bioweapons that you could deploy against livestock. 2117 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:18.680 The theory the Nazis had was that they wanted to 2118 01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:22.000 try to wipe out the Soviet unions cattle and reindeer 2119 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:26.119 herds and starve swaths of the country without actually having 2120 01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:27.000 to go fight them. 2121 01:39:27.079 --> 01:39:29.880 One of my favorite jokes in Mitchell and Webb in 2122 01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:32.039 the sketch where they're like where they play Nazis and 2123 01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:32.479 they're like. 2124 01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:33.439 Are we the baddies? 2125 01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:35.479 Are we the baddies because the designed the uniforms. But 2126 01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:37.159 one of my favorite jokes in that is, like, there 2127 01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:39.000 was anything I learned in the last thousand miles of 2128 01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:41.920 retreat is that Russia's in dire need of mechanized farming. 2129 01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:45.560 Like they burned everything, yeah, or whatever whatever the hell 2130 01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:47.159 they had done, they destroyed all the crops. 2131 01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:53.439 Well, Eric Traumb, who was studying how to wipe out 2132 01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:58.800 these cattle and reindeer herds was specifically researching disease carrying 2133 01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:03.439 insects with a a particular interest and text tics. Operation 2134 01:40:03.560 --> 01:40:06.079 paper Clip brought Traub into the US in nineteen forty 2135 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:08.399 nine and set him up at Fort Dietrich and Maryland, 2136 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:12.479 which also has a whole host of occult spooky connections. 2137 01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:14.439 Yeah, what do you think that conversation with him is? 2138 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:16.159 It was like, listen, how would you lights come to 2139 01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:17.840 America's Like is this a trick? And it was like, no, 2140 01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:22.000 your tick work speaks for you. Like who even knew, Hey, 2141 01:40:22.039 --> 01:40:24.239 this is a guy other than I guess it would 2142 01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:26.319 just be the Nazi high command where it would be like, well, 2143 01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:29.079 if Hemmler or whatever his fucking dave is yea, if 2144 01:40:29.079 --> 01:40:31.479 like Himmler trusted him, then he must be somebody. But 2145 01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:34.000 if they gave him money or like and we knew 2146 01:40:34.119 --> 01:40:36.840 von Brahm was making like the V two rocket or whatever, Yeah. 2147 01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:38.199 I mean, I don't know at what point, I don't know. 2148 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:40.039 I just don't know what tick Head was like, we 2149 01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:43.359 gotta snatch this dude. You can't let the Soviets get 2150 01:40:43.479 --> 01:40:44.319 the tick guy. 2151 01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:48.720 Well, I would imagine that some American scientists were probably 2152 01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:51.520 been working on a similar thing at some point, like 2153 01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:57.439 understood the power of ticks to potentially spread disease, you know, 2154 01:40:57.680 --> 01:41:00.359 and misery, and you know, whether they were working on 2155 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:03.319 this exact project already and went get me that guy, 2156 01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:07.239 or if just somebody had never had the evil plan 2157 01:41:07.319 --> 01:41:10.359 to try it, or never had the the had had 2158 01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:12.640 the plan but had not tried it, they will, well 2159 01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:14.439 he'll do it, you know, like get him over here. 2160 01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:17.319 He clearly doesn't have an issue with this anyway. Whyever, 2161 01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:20.680 for whatever reason that they settled on this guy, they 2162 01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:23.920 set him up in forty Trick At the time, that 2163 01:41:24.159 --> 01:41:28.039 was the Army's primary biological warfare research site. 2164 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:30.640 Probably World War two, there was already like mustard gas 2165 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:33.600 is illegal and shit, right, like yeah, there were already 2166 01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:36.600 like rules of engagement and like war stuff that chemical 2167 01:41:36.680 --> 01:41:39.680 warfare was off the table. Yet every country here is 2168 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:42.319 actively pursuing it at the time, oh for sure. 2169 01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:44.279 And to be to be totally honest, like I have 2170 01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:48.000 no idea what was outlawed when And like you know, 2171 01:41:48.199 --> 01:41:52.960 mustard gas is a bioweapon, but it's not germ warfare. 2172 01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:55.600 And no, I don't know if germ warfare was also 2173 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:59.520 made Like I don't. Also, these motherfuckers didn't care and 2174 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:01.640 not you know, like they're just inventing things. 2175 01:42:01.680 --> 01:42:03.119 I'm just saying that there was like it seemed like 2176 01:42:03.119 --> 01:42:04.880 a bunch of people guys together after the first one. 2177 01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:07.680 I was like, let's just agree to not do that again. Huh. Yeah. 2178 01:42:07.880 --> 01:42:10.159 I was coming back like that's we can all agree 2179 01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:12.560 that that sucked. Yea, And I think enough people were like, 2180 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:15.319 you're right, like Geneva convention type shit, They're yeah, you're right, 2181 01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:18.239 we won't do that. A guy in a lab being like, 2182 01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:19.960 what if I put this on a tick and then 2183 01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:22.399 I put a tick in the cheese they eat, It's like, buddy, 2184 01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:23.399 calm down right. 2185 01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:27.399 Yeah, I guess you know, to TRB, starving millions of 2186 01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:30.760 people didn't seem maybe as bad as mustard gas attacks. 2187 01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:33.119 But yeah, see, at the end of the day, it's 2188 01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:34.000 all pretty awful. 2189 01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:36.119 The Germans did poison a bunch of food. I think though, 2190 01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.800 like when they would leave an area or on retreat 2191 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:40.479 or what have you. I think they did like set 2192 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:44.079 up tables for the Soviet soldiers to find. That's like, oh, 2193 01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:47.239 that looks like really good food and stuff. That's like 2194 01:42:47.279 --> 01:42:50.079 because a lot of people in these towns or whatever 2195 01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:53.640 were fucking starving anyway because of all the shit going on, 2196 01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:56.119 and it would just like all the food be poisoned. 2197 01:42:56.239 --> 01:42:58.880 That's that's I mean, when they're still finding booby traps 2198 01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:00.239 right like in London and shit. 2199 01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:02.359 Know what they say, don't put it past the Nazi. 2200 01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:04.000 Don't put it past the Nazi, and. 2201 01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:06.640 They certainly tried everything. 2202 01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:08.239 I feel like it's the year twenty twenty four and 2203 01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:10.359 I'm still reading at that time, like like two years ago. 2204 01:43:10.359 --> 01:43:13.399 I feel like there's another like old woman opens cabinet 2205 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:15.720 to find like Nazi booby trapped bomb. 2206 01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:17.800 I don't know about booby traps, but I know, I mean, 2207 01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:20.680 they do still find unexploded bombs and stuff from World 2208 01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:24.279 War Two all over the place. But in any case, Traub, 2209 01:43:24.399 --> 01:43:27.159 who was brought initially to Fort Dietrich, became one of 2210 01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:30.760 the central figures in the establishment of a similar facility 2211 01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:34.800 on Plumb Island in the early nineteen fifties, and everybody 2212 01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:37.079 knew it was up. There was an anonymous source who 2213 01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:40.079 told Carol they called him the Nazi Scientist. 2214 01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:46.039 So there are fucking people living in free houses at 2215 01:43:46.079 --> 01:43:48.039 this point because they fought in the war. 2216 01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:53.560 And across the sound there's a Nazi building a bug facility. 2217 01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:56.079 But even working it was very fresh in the minds 2218 01:43:56.079 --> 01:43:59.439 of people who had no help with PTSD, Like, I 2219 01:43:59.479 --> 01:44:01.800 can't imagine even working in that facility that he There 2220 01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:03.439 must have been some people who were fucking pissed he 2221 01:44:03.479 --> 01:44:06.600 was there. I'm regardless of what he's doing there. Yeah, 2222 01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:09.960 even if he's just collecting dad or whatever on dandelions, 2223 01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:12.079 people would be like, what the fuck is this guy that, 2224 01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:15.279 like all my buddies died fighting doing here? 2225 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:19.159 Yeah, so that's Troub. Troub was a Nazi who was 2226 01:44:19.159 --> 01:44:22.000 brought over to be a bioweapons specialist with a specialty 2227 01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:25.760 in tics, and he established Plumb Island in the nineteen fifties. 2228 01:44:26.039 --> 01:44:29.119 What makes all this a little crazier is that this 2229 01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:32.119 guy Carol wasn't the first person to write about any 2230 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:35.079 of this. In nineteen eighty two, which was like twenty 2231 01:44:35.159 --> 01:44:39.039 something years before Carrol's book came out, an attorney named 2232 01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:42.800 John Loftis published a book called The Belarus Secret. At 2233 01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:45.560 the time, Loftis was working for the US Department of 2234 01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:50.239 Justice Office of Special Investigations, which was the official unit 2235 01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:54.439 to identify and prosecute Nazi war criminals who'd ended up 2236 01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:58.079 living in America. So this guy wasn't like a lunatic 2237 01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:01.119 connecting dots on a map. He was a literal Nazi 2238 01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:04.720 hunter for the US government. In his nineteen eighty two book, 2239 01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:08.920 Loftus wrote that he had received information, presumably through his 2240 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.520 work at the Department of Justice, that the US had 2241 01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:14.880 tested poison tics on the Plumb Island artillery range in 2242 01:45:14.920 --> 01:45:19.560 the early nineteen fifties. He also noted, almost in passing, 2243 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:22.680 that most of the records of that testing had been destroyed. 2244 01:45:22.760 --> 01:45:23.119 I bet. 2245 01:45:23.239 --> 01:45:26.079 So we have these two attorneys, basically separated by more 2246 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:29.399 than twenty years, coming from different angles, with different source materials, 2247 01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:35.520 both reaching the same conclusion that Plumb Island had dangerous ticks, 2248 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:39.960 the ticks had pathogens, and some of them probably got out. 2249 01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:41.800 Yeah. Well, yeah, we did our best to have it 2250 01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:44.840 be an island. But yeah, what was the what was 2251 01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:47.439 that book that we both liked by Tom whatever? 2252 01:45:47.680 --> 01:45:51.920 About like the Oh Chaos by yeah, by Tom I 2253 01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:54.720 forget his last name, Yeah, but Maut the Banson's. 2254 01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:56.880 Yeah, the Manson like as being like an ass in 2255 01:45:56.920 --> 01:46:00.760 a government asset. Basically, yeah, there's enough in that book too, 2256 01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:03.439 where you're like, oh, shit, it's like doesn't feel as 2257 01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:08.159 conspiracatorial when enough of the paperwork is declassified or there 2258 01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:10.960 or so clearly these connections can be made. Yeah. And 2259 01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:13.000 then also with that, I think there was a bunch 2260 01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:15.199 of shit in that, and maybe in the Montauk Project whatever, 2261 01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:17.439 hell we talked about mk Ultra and shit, yeah, where 2262 01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:19.840 it's like, oh, they destroyed all the documents, but they 2263 01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:22.960 didn't destroy the receipts for buying the stuff or whatever, 2264 01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:27.600 so you're still able to connect that there was clearly Yeah, they. 2265 01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:30.239 Were well an mk ult they literally just forgot to 2266 01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:33.800 just somehow some of the boxes just did not get destroyed. 2267 01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:36.399 So somebody, I don't he wasn't like literally cleaning out 2268 01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:38.159 a closet, but they basically clean out of the clouset. 2269 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:40.000 Were like, what's this I'm saying so things like this too. 2270 01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:42.159 Was like no, yeah, like it's in spiritorial. But they're 2271 01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:44.800 also like, we have the receipts literally, yeah, that they 2272 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:47.359 were doing shit a plumb Island. They like, nobody needs 2273 01:46:47.399 --> 01:46:49.439 to order that many ticks. 2274 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:53.399 Yeah, the world's number one Nazi tic doctor ordered a 2275 01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:54.520 whole bunch of ticks. 2276 01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:56.399 Yeah, and the thing is about like putting it on 2277 01:46:56.439 --> 01:46:58.399 the artillery range or the hell you had said, is 2278 01:46:58.399 --> 01:46:59.960 it trying to like see if if it bites. 2279 01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:02.600 I don't know exactly what they were doing, because that's. 2280 01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:06.239 Like the DuPont thing where they made like nonstick bullets. No, 2281 01:47:06.359 --> 01:47:09.560 well so DuPont, who makes like paint vainly they do 2282 01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:13.119 a million things. Yeah, they like nonstick pans we use. 2283 01:47:13.239 --> 01:47:17.079 I think that was like originally on tanks to keep 2284 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:19.359 like water off the treads or so. It was some 2285 01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:21.640 shit where like the way that like when you put 2286 01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:24.199 something in there, like it beads and rolls around, it doesn't. 2287 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:29.079 So anyway, that Forever Chemical was originally had war applications, 2288 01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:31.279 and they found out that you can make fucking eggs 2289 01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:37.880 without having them stick. They put the material into cigarettes. 2290 01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:40.359 They were like, this ship might be cancerous, you know, 2291 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:42.920 like we should check. So the way they'd checked was 2292 01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:46.720 they put like a little bit of the material in cigarettes, 2293 01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:49.279 then gave the cigarettes out for free at the factory floor. 2294 01:47:49.399 --> 01:47:52.760 Oh my god, and then everybody who fucking. 2295 01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:55.359 Worked there they like died of cancer. 2296 01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:56.840 Well they were like what they get lung cancer? Like 2297 01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:59.800 their hair fell like radium girls like it was not 2298 01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:01.720 and then the same thing, they were like, just bury 2299 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:04.720 it to destroy the documents, but didn't destroy enough so 2300 01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:08.239 when they were beingsued a bunch. I think there's a 2301 01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:12.079 movie about it. It's really fucking sad. It's a narrative film, 2302 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:14.680 so I'm sure there's a lot of it's not a documentary, right, 2303 01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:17.279 so I'm sure there's a lot of artistic license. But 2304 01:48:17.399 --> 01:48:20.600 it's called dark Waters. I think Dark Water with uh 2305 01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:24.279 Mark Ruffalo, and it's really an incredibly depressic movie about 2306 01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:26.399 how like DuPont just paid people off. 2307 01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:30.399 Well, dark Water is about a chemical company poisoning an 2308 01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:32.279 entire town, but it's not through cigarettes. 2309 01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:34.319 No, it's dust your runoff. 2310 01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:35.159 Oh yeah, yeah yeah. 2311 01:48:35.159 --> 01:48:37.960 But I believe it's either the actual story there's based 2312 01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:40.439 on the actual story that I'm talking about, or it 2313 01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:42.760 actually is they're talking about the actual story I'm talking about. 2314 01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:46.319 But part of the court case as to you knew 2315 01:48:46.319 --> 01:48:49.640 what you were doing was that they did this test 2316 01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:50.399 with cigarettes. 2317 01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:52.039 Oh I see, I see, and. 2318 01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:53.720 Then still went on to make a billion dollars a 2319 01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:56.279 year in pans, right, But like so they were like 2320 01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:58.319 not only because they're like, we didn't even know that 2321 01:48:58.319 --> 01:49:00.279 that could make your cow woll fucked up and it 2322 01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:02.880 was like you did your own in house study. Yeah, 2323 01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:04.520 but yeah, that was wild shit man. 2324 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:07.319 So now I want to bring back a name from 2325 01:49:07.399 --> 01:49:10.279 earlier in the episode. I told you we would come 2326 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:13.960 back to Willie Bergdorfer. Bergdorfer, to recap, is the Swiss 2327 01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:17.640 trained medical entomologist who in nineteen eighty one identified the 2328 01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:21.239 bacterium that causes lime disease and got the bacterium named 2329 01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:24.399 after him in nineteen eighty three. What I didn't get 2330 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:28.000 into is that Bergdorfer didn't arrive at that discovery from nowhere. 2331 01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:31.600 For the previous several decades, he'd been working at Rocky 2332 01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:35.920 Mountain Laboratories in Hamilton, Montana, doing classified research for the 2333 01:49:36.039 --> 01:49:40.039 US Biological Weapons Program, and the specific research he was 2334 01:49:40.079 --> 01:49:42.520 doing year in and year out for most of his 2335 01:49:42.640 --> 01:49:48.119 career was injecting pathogens into ticks. His own paper, published 2336 01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:52.199 in nineteen fifty two, describes the deliberate infection of ticks 2337 01:49:52.279 --> 01:49:54.199 with diseases as part of his work. 2338 01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:56.640 That is fucking crazy. 2339 01:49:57.000 --> 01:50:00.920 Yeah, like that is it is a little knee or 2340 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:03.319 does he like put it in some some some like 2341 01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:05.560 does he put he must put the disease in like 2342 01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:07.960 a bunny and then put the ticks on the bunny 2343 01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:09.399 to suck the blood. 2344 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:12.880 But either way, if you got a sick bunny that 2345 01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:16.079 you filled with lime disease, that's one thing, Yeah, But 2346 01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:17.960 to have to fill it into something that you can 2347 01:50:18.079 --> 01:50:21.560 so easily lose, yeah, in a second, Like I looked 2348 01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:23.520 one way, I looked back, that tick was gone. Right. 2349 01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:26.439 There's not enough doors you can like close, in my opinion, 2350 01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:28.840 to feel safe with doing that. No. 2351 01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:32.399 And according to Chris Nuby, who is a Stanford science 2352 01:50:32.439 --> 01:50:35.359 writer who's done some of the most rigorous modern reporting 2353 01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:39.479 on all of this, Bergdorffer spent all these two decades 2354 01:50:39.520 --> 01:50:41.840 inside the bioweapons program. 2355 01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:42.520 Looking for the tickie loss. 2356 01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:44.880 Yeah, down on his hands and he's going, oh god, 2357 01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:49.000 oh god, o god, I's done. No he he uh. 2358 01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:51.720 He grew microbes. This is this is actually how they 2359 01:50:51.760 --> 01:50:54.920 did it. He grew microbes inside of ticks and then 2360 01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:55.760 fed the tick. 2361 01:50:56.399 --> 01:50:59.680 All no, wow, go ahead. 2362 01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:02.720 He through the microbes inside the ticks, fed the ticks 2363 01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:06.079 to lab animals, and then harvested the results to determine 2364 01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:10.079 which combinations of tick and pathogen produced the kinds of illnesses. 2365 01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:12.399 The military wanted to be able to deploy. 2366 01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:15.800 Everyone involved in this should be in prison, and if 2367 01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:17.720 I see one of them in heaven, I'll be pizzed. 2368 01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:21.600 These are people who went and decided this is what 2369 01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:24.119 I'm gonna do and took a harder path at it too. 2370 01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:26.039 I really think just gotta be easier to put things 2371 01:51:26.079 --> 01:51:27.079 in a bigger animal, right. 2372 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:29.199 You would imagine, But I guess he was trying to 2373 01:51:29.239 --> 01:51:30.920 grow new kinds of diseases. 2374 01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:34.560 So, but the idea that he's or anyone is gonna 2375 01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:36.079 wake up in the morning and be like, gotta go 2376 01:51:36.119 --> 01:51:39.520 disease a tick this morning, then I gotta not only like, 2377 01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:42.399 let a tick be a tick, which is, hey, man, 2378 01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:44.600 I can't help it if the tick wants to bite 2379 01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:48.159 this rabbit, but no o, they're force feeding animals ticks. 2380 01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:53.920 Hey eat this bug? Is crazy? Yeah, and then be 2381 01:51:54.079 --> 01:51:56.560 like what happened to the rabbit? And it was like, oh, 2382 01:51:56.640 --> 01:52:01.119 the rabbit's whole head exploded, and then the US government 2383 01:52:01.239 --> 01:52:04.119 being like, no, the ideal thing for us is if 2384 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:08.119 their eyebrows fall off so that we embarrassed their army. Yes, 2385 01:52:08.239 --> 01:52:11.319 too many questions will come from heads exploding. And so 2386 01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:13.600 he was like, all right, gotta put a different fucking 2387 01:52:14.319 --> 01:52:17.720 disease in this tick and see if the eyebrows fall off. 2388 01:52:18.199 --> 01:52:20.760 Like the idea that someone's doing it is awful and 2389 01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:23.479 he should be in hell. The idea that someone is 2390 01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:26.600 looking over their work to be like, we actually have 2391 01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:30.239 fucked up goals in mind for this also should be 2392 01:52:30.239 --> 01:52:30.560 in hell. 2393 01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:35.039 Yes, Nixon officially shut down the US offensive bioweapons program 2394 01:52:35.119 --> 01:52:37.399 in nineteen sixty nine, but a number of the TICK. 2395 01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:39.680 Programs at a public announcement or he did it. It's 2396 01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:41.920 like quietly in the background the army stopped doing it. 2397 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:43.760 I don't know, but it was officially just. 2398 01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:45.319 As a man who was I have a lot of 2399 01:52:45.319 --> 01:52:46.680 controversy in his presidency. 2400 01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:47.439 He did, and so. 2401 01:52:47.399 --> 01:52:49.960 I imagine it could also be like, hey, bring our 2402 01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:52.279 boys home, and he's like, I shut down a TICK 2403 01:52:52.399 --> 01:52:54.560 thing today. Well, I'm the good guy. 2404 01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:56.840 He shut it down. But it was already too late, 2405 01:52:56.880 --> 01:52:57.399 because we. 2406 01:52:57.359 --> 01:53:00.800 Know that most things TICK related. 2407 01:53:00.199 --> 01:53:03.079 Late, and we know that at least two of the 2408 01:53:03.239 --> 01:53:06.840 TICK programs had already left the lab on purpose in 2409 01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:10.399 one form or another. After the Bay of Pigs, the 2410 01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:14.279 United States dropped disease ticks on Cuba as part of 2411 01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:18.960 Operation mongoose. This has been verified through multiple sources, including 2412 01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:23.039 declassified JFK files and quotes from a CIA officer involved 2413 01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:25.399 at the time. The goal of the drop was to 2414 01:53:25.439 --> 01:53:29.640 make Cuban agricultural workers sick enough to disrupt the sugarcane harvest. 2415 01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:33.239 And there was also a separate Army funded project around 2416 01:53:33.279 --> 01:53:36.399 the same period, which is even crazier, in which researchers 2417 01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:40.920 released hundreds of thousands of radioactive ticks along the Atlantic 2418 01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:45.600 Bird Flyway near Norfolk, Virginia. They'd made them radioactive. 2419 01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:47.319 So you can find them again. Yes, that's about to say, like, 2420 01:53:47.319 --> 01:53:49.399 at least you can isolate an isotope. That's what my 2421 01:53:49.479 --> 01:53:50.560 mind immediately went to that. 2422 01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:53.039 Yes, it wasn't to create a bunch of radio or 2423 01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:57.039 radiated super soldiers or formed from birds or whatever. They 2424 01:53:57.039 --> 01:53:59.680 wanted to track them with Geiger counters once they spread. 2425 01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:01.399 I feel like a genius for knowing that. 2426 01:54:01.479 --> 01:54:03.720 The whole point of the experiment was to study how 2427 01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:08.039 far ticks would migrate when they hitch rides on migratory birds. Yeah, 2428 01:54:08.239 --> 01:54:10.800 just want to point out these birds were migrating north. 2429 01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:13.960 A lot of these ticks over the years migrating pretty 2430 01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:14.520 far north. 2431 01:54:14.760 --> 01:54:17.319 I will say. I mean, the more you hear about 2432 01:54:17.319 --> 01:54:19.600 this stuff us doing this show, or shows that do 2433 01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:21.760 a lot more conspiracy heavy shit than we'll ever do, 2434 01:54:22.199 --> 01:54:24.960 the more you must just be like everything's I wouldn't 2435 01:54:24.960 --> 01:54:26.960 take the vaccine either, But you know what I mean, 2436 01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:29.119 if like I had two hundred and sixty episodes of 2437 01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:30.840 this type of shit, not on our show, but other 2438 01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:32.960 types of shows, well, I'd also be like, I'm not 2439 01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:34.880 putting anything in my body the government tells me to. 2440 01:54:35.159 --> 01:54:38.560 Yeah, I mean, I think you can. There's a big 2441 01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:42.520 difference between being able to draw connections between things and 2442 01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:44.520 be able to prove something in a way that should 2443 01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:47.079 affect the way that you live your life. And you know, 2444 01:54:47.159 --> 01:54:49.600 I think it's really important to be able to look 2445 01:54:49.600 --> 01:54:54.039 at things and go huh without going, well, fuck it, 2446 01:54:54.079 --> 01:54:57.319 I'm not taking any vaccines. I'm not because you can 2447 01:54:57.359 --> 01:55:00.479 make almost anything rhyme, like all these science instead of 2448 01:55:00.479 --> 01:55:04.039 gone missing. There's some weird coincidences in there. There's some 2449 01:55:04.119 --> 01:55:07.039 disappearances that seem a little odd, desks that seem spooky, 2450 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:13.239 but nothing that really is a defensible, provable pattern of 2451 01:55:13.720 --> 01:55:16.439 operation of any kind, or at least not a pattern 2452 01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:19.119 that I think you wouldn't find if you just surveyed. 2453 01:55:19.680 --> 01:55:22.039 You know, let's say one hundred thousand scientists work for 2454 01:55:22.079 --> 01:55:24.920 the government, Okay, thirty of them have had weird deaths 2455 01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:27.000 and gone missing. If you just looked at one hundred 2456 01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:30.720 thousand science teachers, you probably could find thirty who had 2457 01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:32.920 weird desks or went missing or you know, went on 2458 01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:35.760 a hike and died. And that doesn't mean that those 2459 01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:39.039 science teachers were being killed as part of our government program. Okay, 2460 01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:41.840 But anyway, the results. 2461 01:55:41.439 --> 01:55:46.439 Looked in some way works for the fucking scientists. All 2462 01:55:46.520 --> 01:55:47.520 That's the last. 2463 01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:49.119 Thing I need is that people started saying that our 2464 01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:52.520 show is like a psyop, like an anti to cover 2465 01:55:52.680 --> 01:55:53.560 up the conspiracy. 2466 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:55.600 And yeah, that's what I'm saying, said said, like a 2467 01:55:55.600 --> 01:55:58.039 guy who's been paid to cover up the conspiracies. The 2468 01:55:58.119 --> 01:55:59.880 results go to an ad break. It was like, Hi, 2469 01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:02.239 do you love science in the US government. 2470 01:56:02.479 --> 01:56:04.479 The result of a lot of this is Chris Nuby, 2471 01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:07.760 who we just mentioned, science writer at Stanford. She'd contracted 2472 01:56:07.840 --> 01:56:10.720 lyme herself on Martha's Vineyard in two thousand and two. 2473 01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:14.720 It took years and so many doctors to get the 2474 01:56:14.800 --> 01:56:17.640 right diagnosis, and she got very deep into the chronic 2475 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:21.640 lime community. She produced a documentary in twenty fourteen called 2476 01:56:21.720 --> 01:56:25.159 Under Our Skin about people suffering from chronic lime. So 2477 01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:28.439 she spent from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen researching and 2478 01:56:28.439 --> 01:56:31.319 writing a book called Bitten, The Secret History of Lime 2479 01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:34.600 Disease and Biological Weapons, and it is a pretty well 2480 01:56:34.600 --> 01:56:37.760 crafted piece of journalism. Now, Nuby has been in the 2481 01:56:37.800 --> 01:56:41.399 presence of people with broader, weirder conspiracy theories, but the 2482 01:56:41.399 --> 01:56:45.039 theories that she puts forward are you know, her name 2483 01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:48.159 I think has been a little bit unfairly sullied because 2484 01:56:48.319 --> 01:56:51.359 I think her theory of the case is less wild 2485 01:56:51.399 --> 01:56:52.960 than what people have made it out to be on 2486 01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:56.439 the internet. She does not claim that lime disease itself 2487 01:56:56.640 --> 01:56:59.000 was created in the lab. We know that it was 2488 01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:01.920 detected in Utsy. We know that these museum tic specimens 2489 01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:04.319 have it like ninety million years ago. 2490 01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:07.680 Okay, yeah, that's true. That's that's definitive. What she does 2491 01:57:07.880 --> 01:57:13.520 argue is that a cluster little jetpacks was made ling 2492 01:57:13.640 --> 01:57:17.840 Hitler Zoom through the Americans, guys, yeah, in their tick zeppelins. 2493 01:57:18.039 --> 01:57:22.560 She argues that there's this cluster of three unusual tick 2494 01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:26.239 born diseases that suddenly emerged around Long Island Sounds starting 2495 01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:27.399 in nineteen sixty eight. 2496 01:57:27.640 --> 01:57:30.720 So she doesn't think that those three ticks were represented 2497 01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:32.279 in that painting of that dog's ear. 2498 01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:34.960 No, although that would be an incredible that's like a 2499 01:57:35.039 --> 01:57:38.560 Dan Brown level, like a er tick from the Hyena 2500 01:57:38.680 --> 01:57:39.640 years exactly. 2501 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:40.000 No. 2502 01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:44.279 She points out that within a fifty mile radius, all 2503 01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:46.680 of a sudden, around nineteen sixty eight, you start having 2504 01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:50.680 cases of limarthritis, Rocky Mountain spotted feed of her and 2505 01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:51.760 babe ciosis. 2506 01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:54.600 Can I throw something out here? Yes, when were we 2507 01:57:54.680 --> 01:57:56.319 using agent orange in Vietnam? 2508 01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:59.079 That would have been probably around the same time, is. 2509 01:57:59.079 --> 01:58:01.439 What I'm thinking. Is it like, are people coming back 2510 01:58:01.479 --> 01:58:04.159 and complaining about symptoms of that? So I think there 2511 01:58:04.199 --> 01:58:06.239 was joint stuff related to that and all sorts of 2512 01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:07.119 dizzyness and weird. 2513 01:58:07.159 --> 01:58:10.039 Yeah. Is it like agent orange fucked people up? 2514 01:58:10.199 --> 01:58:12.439 Yeah? So I'm saying, is it people which was also 2515 01:58:13.159 --> 01:58:15.239 we did that because it war? Right? I don't know 2516 01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:18.720 who that air quotes, it was definitely war. I'm saying 2517 01:58:18.760 --> 01:58:21.840 like that was a a some sort of chemical warfare. 2518 01:58:22.199 --> 01:58:25.239 So I'm saying, is there any overlap for does that 2519 01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:26.199 come up at all in the book. 2520 01:58:27.319 --> 01:58:32.880 No, not that specifically, but I'm sure you could find 2521 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:37.159 overlap between agent orange conspiracies and tick conspiracies. Her point 2522 01:58:37.399 --> 01:58:39.720 is that the fact that all three of these sprung 2523 01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:42.479 up within about a fifty mile radius around the same time, 2524 01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:46.119 very near a facility that was publicly known to be 2525 01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:50.239 experimenting with diseases on tics. Her quote is, I have 2526 01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:52.840 no proof that line disease is a bioweapon, but I 2527 01:58:52.920 --> 01:58:56.960 know they weaponized other tick born diseases. There were unsafe 2528 01:58:57.000 --> 01:59:01.319 experiments with ticks and tickborn diseases, and that was fuel 2529 01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:04.600 on the fire of this epidemic. Of course, I think 2530 01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:09.359 we'll end this episode with everybody saying that I work 2531 01:59:09.399 --> 01:59:11.640 for the CIA and I'm covering this up by pointing 2532 01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:14.840 out the credential. Scientists push back hard on the lab 2533 01:59:14.920 --> 01:59:17.640 leak theory of lyme disease. A twenty seventeen Stand for 2534 01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:22.920 Genomics study found that Brellia burgdor Ferries DNA diversity is ancient, 2535 01:59:23.279 --> 01:59:25.920 with lineages that diverged tens of thousands of years ago, 2536 01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:29.439 distributed across the entire Northeast and Midwest in patterns that 2537 01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:33.720 don't really fit a recent you know, point release like 2538 01:59:33.760 --> 01:59:35.159 a source of a single lab. 2539 01:59:35.479 --> 01:59:39.960 Okay, so if you if you found t rex lips 2540 01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:43.279 in Amber, uh huh, and then you pulled from these two. 2541 01:59:43.319 --> 01:59:45.319 First i'd asked why the t rex was kissing a 2542 01:59:45.359 --> 01:59:48.199 tree famously not known to love trees. 2543 01:59:48.560 --> 01:59:51.079 Yeah, but there was I think probably lonelyest epidemic then too. 2544 01:59:52.359 --> 01:59:55.119 And so if you find these lips and then inside 2545 01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:58.119 of them you found COVID, uh huh, there goes that 2546 01:59:58.399 --> 01:59:59.680 lab league argument as well. 2547 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:03.600 Well, I think the difference is that you can cause 2548 02:00:03.680 --> 02:00:07.159 an uptick in diseases. I think that's a little bit 2549 02:00:07.159 --> 02:00:10.920 different because COVID is a more recent disease. 2550 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:13.920 Only because we haven't found in Ambry yet. Well, that's 2551 02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:14.479 what I'm saying. 2552 02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:17.880 But you can whether whether the disease has existed for 2553 02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:20.439 millions of years or not. There is an argument to 2554 02:00:20.439 --> 02:00:22.239 be made that if you all of a sudden start 2555 02:00:22.279 --> 02:00:25.439 seeing a high percentage of cases around a lab known 2556 02:00:25.520 --> 02:00:28.920 to be experimenting with that disease, it's not unreasonable to 2557 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:31.800 think that perhaps that disease has. 2558 02:00:31.720 --> 02:00:33.600 Oh no, I didn't say it was unreasonable, and that 2559 02:00:33.840 --> 02:00:36.279 is where I think it came from. Yeah, No, I mean, 2560 02:00:36.439 --> 02:00:39.319 I'm just saying It's just it's the only other lab 2561 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:42.119 link outside of science fiction work I can think of. 2562 02:00:42.159 --> 02:00:44.640 It's why I made that correlation, like you talking about 2563 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:46.880 this lab link is the only other lab liak I've 2564 02:00:46.880 --> 02:00:49.520 ever heard of that wasn't like COVID. No, I meant 2565 02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:52.119 that wasn't like there's the COVID lablink theory. Then the 2566 02:00:52.159 --> 02:00:54.199 one you just told me right now, Yeah, is the 2567 02:00:54.199 --> 02:00:56.279 first time I've ever thought of another lab leak that 2568 02:00:56.439 --> 02:00:58.520 wasn't like the stand or something. 2569 02:00:58.600 --> 02:00:59.960 Oh sure, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 2570 02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:01.000 Or it's a work of fiction. 2571 02:01:01.279 --> 02:01:05.800 Yeah, But anyway, The science pushback on this is there's 2572 02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:10.640 lots of different, slightly different genetic lineages of lime disease 2573 02:01:10.720 --> 02:01:13.640 that are all distributed all around the country and the 2574 02:01:13.680 --> 02:01:16.840 planet in ways that don't line up with the idea 2575 02:01:16.920 --> 02:01:19.079 that there was really a sudden spike that could be 2576 02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:22.039 attributed to a particular lab. 2577 02:01:21.880 --> 02:01:23.640 Yeah, but the one that when you zoom in or 2578 02:01:23.640 --> 02:01:26.279 a microscope has a barcode for the United States Air 2579 02:01:26.359 --> 02:01:28.640 Force or something there that might be the one we 2580 02:01:28.640 --> 02:01:29.239 did in the lab. 2581 02:01:29.319 --> 02:01:32.000 The scientific argument is that the explosion of American lime 2582 02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:34.960 cases over the past forty years is much better explained 2583 02:01:34.960 --> 02:01:39.319 by ecological factors like suburban sprawl pushing humans further into 2584 02:01:39.319 --> 02:01:44.079 deer habitats, populations of deer and whitefooted mice that went 2585 02:01:44.079 --> 02:01:47.319 through the roof decades of reforestation. All of these things 2586 02:01:47.359 --> 02:01:51.079 create ideal conditions for tick populations to thrive and expand 2587 02:01:51.319 --> 02:01:55.720 without any lab interference in the way that they found 2588 02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:57.439 all these cases. I also think there's something to be 2589 02:01:57.479 --> 02:02:00.319 said for the fact that, yes, we only discovered lime 2590 02:02:00.359 --> 02:02:04.760 disease officially in the nineteen seventies. I this wasn't part 2591 02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:07.520 of my research. I imagine it's probably kind of difficult 2592 02:02:07.760 --> 02:02:10.920 to try to go back and figure out what rates 2593 02:02:10.920 --> 02:02:15.239 of cases would have been before we officially discovered instide, 2594 02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:17.239 we didn't have the data set. And it's and it's 2595 02:02:17.279 --> 02:02:20.680 while it's a bad disease, the symptoms aren't. It's not 2596 02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:22.720 like a Bola, where it's like, well, let's look for 2597 02:02:22.760 --> 02:02:26.439 cases of people's vomiting blood back. It is a bola 2598 02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:30.319 is bad back, big bad way. But you know, joint aches, nausea, 2599 02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:32.840 like these are things that lots of other diseases cause 2600 02:02:33.039 --> 02:02:35.039 a lot of overlap. Yeah, so if you tried to 2601 02:02:35.079 --> 02:02:37.600 look back through the record and go, well, what was 2602 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:39.520 lyme and what was something else? You could never really 2603 02:02:39.600 --> 02:02:42.039 say for sure. So all we know is that, yes, 2604 02:02:42.239 --> 02:02:45.920 around late sixties, early seventies we started seeing these waves 2605 02:02:45.920 --> 02:02:49.000 of cases. That's also around the time we defined what 2606 02:02:49.079 --> 02:02:52.560 it was. So you know, I think it's I think 2607 02:02:52.800 --> 02:02:57.159 the research here is I think similarly well documented in 2608 02:02:57.199 --> 02:03:03.399 the way that chaos is where you go something something 2609 02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:04.079 was going on. 2610 02:03:04.439 --> 02:03:07.800 I mean, you you if there's any hint of truth, 2611 02:03:07.800 --> 02:03:09.720 and it sounds like it's one hundred percent true that 2612 02:03:09.800 --> 02:03:12.560 we had people saying good morning, al or whatever and 2613 02:03:12.640 --> 02:03:15.600 walking into a facility where they put viruses and ticks 2614 02:03:15.600 --> 02:03:18.319 and fed them to fucking animals with a with a 2615 02:03:18.479 --> 02:03:22.439 goal to deploy these ticks on the battlefield. Yeah, that's 2616 02:03:22.479 --> 02:03:23.319 all I need to hear. 2617 02:03:23.800 --> 02:03:26.840 Yeahs In eds In not into doing it. 2618 02:03:27.119 --> 02:03:29.720 I'm just saying that, like, yeah, I mean it could 2619 02:03:29.800 --> 02:03:31.880 very well if some element of this shit, I could 2620 02:03:31.880 --> 02:03:33.560 see how people can get wrapped up and like, yeah, no, 2621 02:03:33.680 --> 02:03:34.960 this was not nature that did this. 2622 02:03:35.079 --> 02:03:37.800 Yeah, well, look, guys, that was everything you ever need 2623 02:03:37.800 --> 02:03:40.079 to know about ticks by Chris and ed our book report. 2624 02:03:40.359 --> 02:03:42.439 We didn't even mention the superhero once. 2625 02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:44.720 We didn't even mention that tick this. I fell asleep 2626 02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.039 last night trying to remember that. I wanted to bring 2627 02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:49.680 up tick the Superhero the cartoon show, the live action show, 2628 02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:52.479 didn't even mention it on comic book. The comic book. 2629 02:03:53.000 --> 02:03:55.239 But that's okay. I think we've talked enough about ticks. 2630 02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:57.520 Speaking of comics. I was just thinking about comics because 2631 02:03:57.600 --> 02:04:00.199 you were like, oh, this explosion came around the same that, 2632 02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:02.520 all of a sudden, we were looking for it every 2633 02:04:02.600 --> 02:04:05.680 couple years in the comic community. It's like, oh, this 2634 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:08.720 book was super rare. There's like four on the census, 2635 02:04:09.239 --> 02:04:12.119 and it was like, you know, it's worth five hundred 2636 02:04:12.159 --> 02:04:15.880 thousand dollars. And then word gets out that a new 2637 02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:19.000 record sold for five hundred thousand dollars. All of a sudden, 2638 02:04:19.039 --> 02:04:21.479 there's like thirteen more that show up in the fucking census. 2639 02:04:21.720 --> 02:04:23.960 Everyone sees it's worth money. Oh I actually I do 2640 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:27.479 have one of those. My grandpa did have Superman three 2641 02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:30.960 or whatever. I just chose to random ass it's worth 2642 02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:33.279 anything I'm saying, but like, it's just one of those 2643 02:04:33.279 --> 02:04:36.239 things where now everyone's looking it's popular. Turns out there 2644 02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:38.960 are more first eppearance of fucking Superman's out there. Yeah. Yeah, 2645 02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:40.560 and now you can find out there's money to be 2646 02:04:40.560 --> 02:04:43.000 made in it. They're showing up. Yeah, and so same 2647 02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:44.960 thing with you said, like now that everyone's looking, now 2648 02:04:44.960 --> 02:04:47.279 that's top of mind. Oh my god, tick six ticks. 2649 02:04:47.399 --> 02:04:50.359 So we segued right from Chris's conspiracy corner to Ed's 2650 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:53.199 comics corner, and now we will end this episode with 2651 02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:57.680 the fear tier, Ed, where do you place ticks on 2652 02:04:57.760 --> 02:04:59.000 your fear tier this summer? 2653 02:04:59.119 --> 02:05:01.600 It's a six. I feel like I'm doing eight a lot, 2654 02:05:01.920 --> 02:05:05.680 and it's a six. I don't know. We didn't look 2655 02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:07.960 at the numbers for California tick wise. 2656 02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:08.560 Mm hmm. 2657 02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:11.800 I think we are in a pretty good situation. Bad 2658 02:05:11.840 --> 02:05:15.520 air quality, wildfires once again happening, but not a lot 2659 02:05:15.560 --> 02:05:18.079 of mosquitos, Like we rarely deal with mosquitos. Here, you 2660 02:05:18.119 --> 02:05:20.600 got mosquito bites. But I'm saying, not a lot of mosquitoes, 2661 02:05:20.680 --> 02:05:22.640 not a lot of ticks stuff, not a lot of 2662 02:05:22.640 --> 02:05:23.600 crazy spiders. 2663 02:05:24.079 --> 02:05:26.920 Yeah, but we we have forty different species of ticks 2664 02:05:26.920 --> 02:05:29.840 in California, making it it's one of the most tick 2665 02:05:29.960 --> 02:05:32.359 diverse states in the country. Giant piece of land, and 2666 02:05:32.399 --> 02:05:35.199 the western black legged tick is the primary carrier of 2667 02:05:35.279 --> 02:05:39.479 lime disease in California, found mostly in cool, moist, wooded areas. 2668 02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:41.399 I'm not going there. I'm not going to end or 2669 02:05:41.880 --> 02:05:43.439 and so I'm saying is like where we live in 2670 02:05:43.479 --> 02:05:45.840 southern California. It's not I don't think I'll run into 2671 02:05:45.880 --> 02:05:48.640 too many ticks here. Yeah, run into more tick cosplayers. 2672 02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:50.479 I will put ticks at a four. 2673 02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:53.119 I only went six this. Once they get you, you're 2674 02:05:53.159 --> 02:05:54.279 going to be allergic or dead. 2675 02:05:54.359 --> 02:05:57.880 So not necessarily, I don't want to over freak people out, 2676 02:05:57.920 --> 02:06:02.000 but yeah, check for ticks. This make sure consider this 2677 02:06:02.399 --> 02:06:05.239 our our PSA, our public service announcement. This is our 2678 02:06:05.600 --> 02:06:07.960 At the end of our Gi Joe episode here, we're 2679 02:06:07.960 --> 02:06:10.560 going to turn to the camera and say, hey, kids, 2680 02:06:11.159 --> 02:06:13.560 check your legs for ticks when you come in from outside. 2681 02:06:13.720 --> 02:06:16.560 Check your clothing, check your arms, check your scalp, check 2682 02:06:16.600 --> 02:06:19.279 your butt. That's where I found mine. Make sure that 2683 02:06:19.319 --> 02:06:21.800 you don't have any ticks digging in. They do spread disease. 2684 02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:23.920 They are very dangerous, and we love you here. It's 2685 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:26.000 scared all the time. We don't want anybody getting sick 2686 02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:26.399 from a tick. 2687 02:06:26.520 --> 02:06:28.720 So we'll move to the city, become broke. But you're 2688 02:06:28.720 --> 02:06:30.640 not gonna probably get bit by a tick. That's true 2689 02:06:30.640 --> 02:06:32.760 as much once I left rural looking to my family 2690 02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:34.720 lives by the water. Now we're saying once I left 2691 02:06:34.760 --> 02:06:36.319 more rural inland Connecticut. 2692 02:06:36.439 --> 02:06:38.600 Yeah, I don't really run into ticks that much. No, 2693 02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:40.960 a lot of city people don't. And even if you're 2694 02:06:40.960 --> 02:06:42.880 out in the country, you know to wear long pants, 2695 02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:45.640 you know, to wear long socks, you check, you're gonna 2696 02:06:45.680 --> 02:06:48.560 be fine. I think ticks are a solid for And 2697 02:06:48.680 --> 02:06:51.119 with that, it's the end of the episode, guys. So 2698 02:06:51.399 --> 02:06:54.600 until next time, I'm Chris Glari and I'm Ed and 2699 02:06:54.640 --> 02:06:56.680 the show is Scared All the Time. We will see 2700 02:06:56.680 --> 02:06:57.640 you soon. 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