Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to start taking
Speaker 1: a look at the Bill Clinton transcript from his visit
Speaker 1: to Congress. Now, previously I only had access to the video,
Speaker 1: but now we have the transcript, so we're just going
Speaker 1: to jump right in after he was sworn in, and
Speaker 1: there's an exchange between Cheryl Mills and the Committee. That's
Speaker 1: where we're going to start. Cheryl Mills, I have a
Speaker 1: comment before we begin, Please, mister Chairman. I want to
Speaker 1: start out by saying, as you know, yesterday there was
Speaker 1: a photo released, and I appreciate you assuring and admonishing
Speaker 1: to the Committee and all of us of your obligations. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that doesn't happen again. We've
Speaker 1: obviously experienced a number of deep fakes that have now
Speaker 1: been circulating on the web, not because of anything that
Speaker 1: the Committee did, but because of the release of this
Speaker 1: particular photograph. And for that reason I would ask two things.
Speaker 1: One a reminder to all that the obligation to maintain
Speaker 1: what is occurring in this room occurs, and to a
Speaker 1: release of the video of the Secretary's testimony as soon
Speaker 1: as possible, ideally today, which was in twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: and the same for the presidents, so that there are
Speaker 1: not deep fakes that are representing what's happening here when
Speaker 1: they actually have not. James Comer, Yeah, and let me
Speaker 1: say yesterday that was an unfortunate situation, Cheryl Mills, I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Comer. We had probably two things that should
Speaker 1: have shouldn't have happened, the release of the photo as
Speaker 1: well as a Democrat member communicating with the New York Times.
Speaker 1: So I will again remind everyone to refrain from sending
Speaker 1: pictures or texting with media outlets outside. Melvin is our
Speaker 1: videographer and he's doing this today as well as producing
Speaker 1: the video, so we'll get them out hopefully as soon
Speaker 1: as possible, hopefully within the next twenty four hours. Cheryl Mills,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Chairman. I appreciate that nothing more.
Speaker 1: Jack Emmer, who is the investigator for James Comer, mister President,
Speaker 1: do you wish to provide an opening statement? Bill Clinton?
Speaker 1: I do. It's brief. First of all, good morning, and
Speaker 1: welcome to all of you to our hometown. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming here. I'm here today basically for two reasons.
Speaker 1: First of all, I love my country and the Constitution,
Speaker 1: and I believe America was built on the idea that
Speaker 1: no one is above the law, especially presidents, and that
Speaker 1: we should all live by the same set of rules
Speaker 1: shaped with the Constitution. Democracy requires every person to play
Speaker 1: their part, and I hope by being here today, we
Speaker 1: can bring ourselves a little further away from the brink
Speaker 1: and back to being a country where we can disagree
Speaker 1: civilly and search for the truth and justice. And if
Speaker 1: that outweighs the partisan urge, spectacle and point scoring, I'll
Speaker 1: do my part, and I hope that you'll do yours.
Speaker 1: The second reason I'm here is that the girls and
Speaker 1: women who's lives Jeffrey Epstein destroyed deserved not just justice
Speaker 1: but healing. They've been waiting too long for both. Through
Speaker 1: my brief acquaintance with Jeffrey Epstein, though it ended years
Speaker 1: before his crimes came to light, and though I never
Speaker 1: witnessed during our limited interactions any indication of what was
Speaker 1: going on, I'm here to offer what little I know
Speaker 1: so I can do my part to prevent something like
Speaker 1: this from happening again. I have to say one personal thing,
Speaker 1: since Hillary came in yesterday. She had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein. Nothing. There's a picture of us both
Speaker 1: shaking hands with them in a photo line. In nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three, had a fundraiser for the White House Historical Association.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is under President Trump, but
Speaker 1: when I was there, it was about the most non
Speaker 1: political operation you can imagine. There were people who loved
Speaker 1: the White House, who were interested in it, would give
Speaker 1: a little money every year and do things that needed
Speaker 1: doing around the house, and nothing nearly as extravagant as
Speaker 1: the ballroom or any of that, just things that had
Speaker 1: to be done. And neither she nor I remembered shaking
Speaker 1: his hand at all those years ago, So I don't
Speaker 1: think that was right. On the other hand, I think
Speaker 1: you should be talking to me. I think you should
Speaker 1: have called me. I did take those plane trips with them,
Speaker 1: and you have a right to ask those questions. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here, and I understand what the
Speaker 1: oath is. I have to be honest with you. I'll
Speaker 1: be eighty years old if I lived on my next birthday.
Speaker 1: I don't remember everything that happened twenty four years ago,
Speaker 1: but I do remember some things, and I will tell
Speaker 1: you what I remember as best I can. We each
Speaker 1: of us are the victims nothing less than the truth
Speaker 1: and accuracy. We owe that to the American people. And
Speaker 1: I actually hope that you'll be able to come up
Speaker 1: with some suggestions that will reduce human trafficking and especially
Speaker 1: focus on underage girls. I hope you'll be able to
Speaker 1: do that. I know that Hillary talked a little yesterday
Speaker 1: about what the State Department does and what she pushed
Speaker 1: on human trafficking in girls when she was Secretary of State.
Speaker 1: We had to deal with it, and in my foundation,
Speaker 1: I saw it in Nigeria with Boko Haram when they
Speaker 1: were rampaging through the north of Nigeria and we were
Speaker 1: working to trying to stop deaths from diarrhea or the
Speaker 1: young children. And it was interesting. These guys were cold
Speaker 1: and calculated. They said, Oh, you don't have to leave
Speaker 1: because of the kids who are helping are younger than
Speaker 1: the ones we want. They have to be about nine
Speaker 1: before they're worth anything to us. So this is really
Speaker 1: important and I'll do what I can to make whatever
Speaker 1: contribution I can. Thank you, Jack Emmer, Thank you. The
Speaker 1: Time Reads eleven twenty eight. The Majority's time will begin now.
Speaker 1: Mister President, thank you for agreeing to testify today and
Speaker 1: for your years of service to our country. I want
Speaker 1: to start from the beginning. When did you first meet
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? Well, I try in this testimony, and
Speaker 1: I'll point it out when I'm aware. There's a picture
Speaker 1: of something that predates this. There's a picture where it
Speaker 1: shows him shaking hands in the White House Historical Association
Speaker 1: reception that was ninety three, but I'm not aware of that.
Speaker 1: I first remember meeting them when I got on his
Speaker 1: airplane to take the first trip with my foundation, I
Speaker 1: think two thousand and two. Whenever it was question and
Speaker 1: to be clear, do you have any reason to believe
Speaker 1: that you have met mister Epstein prior to becoming President
Speaker 1: of the United States? Answer? Before I became president, No question.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned that your first memory of interacting with
Speaker 1: mister Epstein was on your first trip. Which trip specifically? Answer?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which one it was. Which one was
Speaker 1: the first? I took all of our parts of five
Speaker 1: or four trips to Asia and Africa and one to
Speaker 1: North of Europe on mister Epstein's airplane, and once when
Speaker 1: I was in Florida. I was offered a ride back
Speaker 1: to New York, but I wasn't there having and it
Speaker 1: was just coincidental that he was there. I think that
Speaker 1: was fairly early in the process. I don't remember exactly,
Speaker 1: I just know that I did. I took one flight
Speaker 1: back from Florida to New York and all or part
Speaker 1: of several others, I think four or five trips to Africa, Asia,
Speaker 1: and one to Northern Europe. Question by Jack Emmer. I
Speaker 1: want to make sure the record is clear. Is it
Speaker 1: your testimony today that you have no independent recollection whatsoever
Speaker 1: of the circumstances of when you first met mister Epstein.
Speaker 1: David Kendall jumps in objection, asked an answered, you can
Speaker 1: answer again, Bill Clinton. Yes, I do have a recollection
Speaker 1: of when I remember meeting him before this trip. I
Speaker 1: mean on this trip, when I took his plane. Question
Speaker 1: mister President, We're going to discuss more specifics later, but
Speaker 1: for the record, can you briefly describe the nature and
Speaker 1: extent of your relationship with mister Epstein. Question? Well, sometime
Speaker 1: after I left the White House, either in late two
Speaker 1: thousand and one or early is two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: I received a call from Larry Summers, who had been
Speaker 1: on my economic team and was later a Secretary of
Speaker 1: the Treasurer and was then President of Harbor. And he
Speaker 1: said that he was calling because a man named Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein who had made a substantial commitment of several million dollars.
Speaker 1: I think it was ten, but whatever, it was the
Speaker 1: brain research. And he was an information hungry person and
Speaker 1: he wanted to spend some time talking to me about
Speaker 1: economics and politics. And he said he's got a massive airplane,
Speaker 1: and he said he would take you, your staff, your
Speaker 1: secret service detail, and anybody else wanting to bring on
Speaker 1: the trips that he knew. I was planning to set
Speaker 1: up a global network to provide life saving aids medicine
Speaker 1: to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: And I should back up and say when I left office,
Speaker 1: we had done all the preliminary work to set up
Speaker 1: the global funds on HTV malaria, but it was not
Speaker 1: yet funded. And there were other instruments and institutions who
Speaker 1: were later founded, including President Bush Pepfar program, it had
Speaker 1: not yet been funded. There were only two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: people in the entire developing world who had AIDS medicine,
Speaker 1: most of them in Brazil, which had a big drug
Speaker 1: operation on its own, and in Thailand, which also had
Speaker 1: its own drug population. In Africa, there were like thirty
Speaker 1: thousand people or something just next to no people, and
Speaker 1: they were done like flies. And I thought we had
Speaker 1: found a way to drastically drive the price down, and
Speaker 1: that if we could drive the price down, can empower
Speaker 1: people to administer the medicine right, which would save a
Speaker 1: lot of lives. And I was obsessed with it. And
Speaker 1: I was being helped by a man named Ira Magaziner,
Speaker 1: who had helped us in the White House, in whom
Speaker 1: I had known since we lived as Rhodes scholars together
Speaker 1: in the sixties. So anyway, that's why. And when Larry
Speaker 1: Summer said, I thought, well, this would be great, and
Speaker 1: so we followed up and we took the trips question,
Speaker 1: mister President, when did your relationship with mister Epstein end? Answer? Well,
Speaker 1: after a year or two, we really picked up ahead
Speaker 1: of team with the age program, and a lot of
Speaker 1: other people who I note knew better and who really
Speaker 1: cared about the work came forward and offered to help
Speaker 1: us provide transportation and I thought that mister Epstein was
Speaker 1: an interesting man. I didn't think he was really interested
Speaker 1: in what I was doing. But as he asked all
Speaker 1: these questions, he did ask about economics and politics as
Speaker 1: he said he would, and he never asked me anything untoward.
Speaker 1: It's just I didn't think. I thought I had done
Speaker 1: what I had promised to do, and he had done
Speaker 1: what he promised to do. I'd always over the years
Speaker 1: these donors trying not to overstand my welcome. I thought
Speaker 1: that we'd done enough and then it was time to
Speaker 1: start working with other people. When did you first learn
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes answer? I think in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight when he was prosecuted. There was nothing that
Speaker 1: I saw when I was around him that made me
Speaker 1: realize he was trafficking women. Question let's talk about Glaine Maxwell.
Speaker 1: When was the first time that you met Glane Maxwell. Answer?
Speaker 1: I believe I first met her with him when she
Speaker 1: was working with him. Question and when did you understand
Speaker 1: miss Maxwell? What did you understand her relationship to be
Speaker 1: with mister Epstein? Answer? I thought she was his chief
Speaker 1: of staff or administrator. Question and you said that the
Speaker 1: first time you met miss Maxwell with mister Epstein, is
Speaker 1: that after you were president? Answer? Yeah, I don't believe
Speaker 1: I met her when I was president. I could have.
Speaker 1: I met a lot of people that I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but I definitely remember meeting her on that first flight.
Speaker 1: Question and you briefly for the record described the nature
Speaker 1: and extent of your relationship with miss Maxwell. Answer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it lasted longer and was more extensive than my relationship
Speaker 1: with mister Epstein. Because Glenn Maxwell started going with a
Speaker 1: man named Ted Waite who had made a lot of
Speaker 1: money making the first sort of self designed computers, and
Speaker 1: he was a big supporter of mine and the foundation.
Speaker 1: Before he started seeing Glenn, we had been friends and
Speaker 1: he was interested in particularly in reducing pollution in the oceans.
Speaker 1: And so when she started going with him, I would
Speaker 1: see her from time to time. Question and when did
Speaker 1: your relationship with miss Maxwell end? Answer? I don't think
Speaker 1: I've seen her in a decade. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly when. Question why did your relationship
Speaker 1: with miss Maxwell end? Question? Well, at first she moved
Speaker 1: to Boston. I think she had a relationship with a
Speaker 1: man there, and I think they may have married, and
Speaker 1: so she wasn't so much around and then when it
Speaker 1: became after twenty nineteen, when it became obviously she was
Speaker 1: involved too, to the extent that I did not know about.
Speaker 1: That was the end of it. Question, and I want
Speaker 1: to make sure the record is clear. You mentioned that
Speaker 1: your relationship with Ms Maxwell was more extensive than that
Speaker 1: of mister Epstein. Answer yes, it lasted longer. Yes. Question Okay,
Speaker 1: do you have any recollection of what year it would
Speaker 1: have ended? Answer? No, But when she was with Ted Waite,
Speaker 1: she was when we were kicking off CGI. She was
Speaker 1: very interested in that and she participated. But I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's been ten to twelve years since
Speaker 1: I saw her, so I don't remember when the last
Speaker 1: time was. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
Speaker 1: the first episode right here, and in the next episode
Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where
Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
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