WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see, something's going to happen. What, What's gonna happen? 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:27.160 What? My guest today is someone I've spoken with at 3 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:30.160 length before. He's very knowledgeable, he's a fun guy to 4 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.600 be around. He's the host of the Occult Rejects podcast. Nick. 5 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:35.840 Thanks for coming on. 6 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:38.799 Man, Thank you, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah. 7 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.119 Yeah, we were getting a little rolly there in the 8 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.280 uh before I hit record. I wanted to say something 9 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.640 about a queeno before we move off of that real quick. 10 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:49.679 This is what I've heard, and you can tell me 11 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:51.960 if this is true or not. But I heard that 12 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:58.359 a Quino went to the castle of Vivelsburg where him 13 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:02.520 that was Himmler's castle, Darren Boar, and did it did 14 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:03.759 like a stay over there. 15 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:08.400 I'm telling you, honest with you, is probably a lot 16 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.879 about that guy I've never looked into before. Yeah, sure, sure, 17 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.359 things that have come up with like psyops and like 18 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:14.280 the Franklin. 19 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:19.120 Stan Well yeah, I mean especially the Syop thing, because 20 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:21.760 I think he last. It's been a while since I 21 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:23.239 looked into him. But one of the things that I 22 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.439 came across was, you know, he was very very much 23 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.040 involved with government and military and he was in a 24 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.200 program called a siop. They actually used the word syop 25 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:38.159 in the program, and I don't remember anything else about it, 26 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:43.560 but I thought that was crazy. What a character though. 27 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.319 I mean, I just I'm gonna look into it. I'm 28 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:52.560 pretty sure that that was an accurate source about the 29 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:57.560 Vivelsburg Castle. If that's true, that's very crazy because that 30 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:02.560 was Himmler's castle. Himmler started the like he had a 31 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:05.359 he had like a knockoff nights temp far thing going 32 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.319 on there with the s s Oh was. 33 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:08.919 That the big castle where he did have like all 34 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:10.639 those he had that thing on the floor and he 35 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:15.240 had yeah all that, Okay, yeah, I didn't actually know 36 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:16.439 the specific name to that. 37 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:20.240 Yeah. So so he had a black son on the 38 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:25.919 floor symbol, and apparently a queno went in there and 39 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:31.439 was doing something and he he I think that he 40 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:35.479 got some ideas from the Nazis' concept of the black 41 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.159 Sun and was working with something like that, like like 42 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:40.560 a like an inner Earth energy kind of a thing. 43 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.879 Maybe, But I would say like even from like you know, 44 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:48.039 because we're talking about I had a guest on that 45 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:51.120 was from the table head and from even a lot 46 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:52.960 of the stuff that I got from them. They they 47 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.479 he at least and he was friends with a Queeno. 48 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:01.360 Seemed to be very much into mathematics. Actually, so I'm 49 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:03.599 wondering if there's anything with just the design itself and 50 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:07.240 the mathematics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to give 51 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.240 them credit on anything, but I mean they are The 52 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.800 guy that was on my show was the obviously educated. 53 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.599 He wasn't fucking stupid. Just say, yeah, so so. 54 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:18.840 You had a guy on he was or he is 55 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:23.840 in the temple I set a quino started that, and 56 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.639 this guy was very versed in math or what about 57 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:27.639 sacred geometry? 58 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.240 Well, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, because like at 59 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:32.759 one point, like the jin on the show asked him 60 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:34.639 a question that was like from one of his friends. 61 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:35.960 Like he told one of his friends he was going 62 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:37.120 on the show with this guy, and he's like, oh 63 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:38.719 my god, you gotta ask him this question because he 64 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.159 knew who he was and he asked him. I couldn't 65 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:42.919 remember what it was, but he spent about twenty minutes 66 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:47.479 trying to like basically explaining like the sigil. I was like, 67 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.840 you know that logo, and I was like what, I 68 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:52.439 got lost. At one point, I was like you guys 69 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:56.560 lost me. Fuck yeah, that was like any Hey, I'm 70 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.719 not giving the guy like I think I just whatever 71 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:00.080 he's I don't think he's. 72 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.599 Mm hmmm hm. When you were and I don't know 73 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.520 how much you like to go into this topic, so 74 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:09.000 you know, just feel free to answer it however you 75 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:11.080 want or not answer at all. But like I know 76 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.360 that you were in an order at one point. 77 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:18.920 Yep, you can ask anything you want, okay, So yeah, nothing, 78 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:19.720 nothing is nothing? 79 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:22.480 Yeah, okay, cool? Awesome, man? So what order were you in? 80 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.279 And what I was getting at is like, did how 81 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.600 much did that come into play for you? Like shapes, sigils, 82 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:32.839 maybe even math? How much of that kind of stuff 83 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:33.480 did you work with? 84 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:39.560 I mean again, like I would say, these places place 85 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.959 suggests you to do things. It's not like my experience 86 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.240 at the beginning, at least the first you know, within 87 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:49.079 the first four degrees, I would assume none of them 88 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:53.199 really kind of force you to learn anything, but they're suggested. 89 00:04:53.279 --> 00:05:00.000 But my practice sigils, yes, shapes, yes, what was the other? Oh, 90 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.120 Jamatria and math I got into later on Because I'll 91 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:05.560 be totally honest with you, at the beginning, it was 92 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:07.519 just a little too intimidating. I really wasn't sure what 93 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.199 the hell it was all about. I wasn't really into 94 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.040 the Kabbala as much like the first probably like a 95 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.000 year or so, maybe a year and a half of 96 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.000 getting into magic. But once I did, I started to 97 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:19.680 get a little bit more of the idea of Jamatria, 98 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:21.639 and then I started, you know, math was definitely a 99 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.160 part of it. Even when he got into the Kabbala 100 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.040 and all the numbered spheres and all that stuff, you 101 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:29.079 start realizing, you know, the for a reason numbers are important. 102 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.480 Yeah, is Hebrew coming to play there? 103 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.399 Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Even like some 104 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:39.319 of the rituals that are suggested to do in these orders, 105 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:43.040 in that most ceremonial magicians will use, like the pentagram 106 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.480 and the hexagram ritual, they will have some Hebrew in them. 107 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:49.480 The star Ruby that Alista Crowley wrote, which a lot 108 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:52.040 of Thalamite so Oto people will use. People are even 109 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:55.720 into his stuff. That's a Greek you know, So let's say, 110 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:57.759 you know, you're actually using like different languages. 111 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:04.319 I've always seen Hebrew as ay, almost like a very numerical, 112 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.639 very mathematical kind of a language. 113 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:08.879 I think, yeah, yeah. 114 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.160 I mean they even kind of have some of the 115 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.920 Hebrew figures even look kind of like numbers in a way, 116 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:18.759 like with the angles and stuff, and like just the 117 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.480 way they're like formed and everything. And I had this 118 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:26.879 guy on who was breaking down. He was looking for 119 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:33.680 mathematical code within the Torah, and so you know, I 120 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:35.759 think I think what he was really looking for was 121 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.319 like some sort of a Bible code, But he went 122 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.240 to the Torah instances because the code was showing up 123 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:44.120 big time because of the Hebrew. 124 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.240 Yeah, I probably there too. 125 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:54.279 Yeah, and English do and and the Hebrew figures. This 126 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.920 is what he was explaining to me. They had multiple meanings, 127 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:58.120 almost like a hieroglyph. 128 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:02.839 Would yes, they do. They do, Yeah, like a ox 129 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:10.079 back of your head, open hand, closed hand, gold yeah, crazy, razy, Yeah, 130 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.120 they have multiple meanings to him, and they were they 131 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.199 were designed like that from inception. Most most believe it 132 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:16.959 or not, most languages, if you were to look into it, 133 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.879 most languages that inception are actually created with the numerical 134 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:24.800 system together. They are actually tied numerically. Each letter has 135 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:30.439 a numerical value. I mean, yeah, what is alpha numeric system? 136 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.240 Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah. There was a guy that I 137 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.279 was looking into briefly. I don't remember his name right now, 138 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:39.720 but he wrote a book about the magic of runes, 139 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.600 the Nordic Runes that seemed to be very numerica as well. 140 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.879 What's that even flowers? 141 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.720 Maybe no, I don't think so. This guy was This 142 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:53.480 guy was from like the seventeen hundreds or something. 143 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:55.079 I think, oh okay. 144 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.120 Way back, old old school stuff. He was like I 145 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:01.240 found him because I was looking into like Tycho bra 146 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:08.560 and uh oh okay yeah, and uh Kelpius, Johannis Kelpius. Yes, yes, 147 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.199 And there was some guy that was running with them 148 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.879 who was kind of a part of their crew I think, 149 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.560 who got really into the ruins and he wrote a 150 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.360 book like he just dedicated a big chunk of his 151 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.920 life to like looking into the magical side of the rooms. 152 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:25.920 I'll try to find it later and give you the 153 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:26.920 name if you're interested. 154 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.759 Those guys were real big into if I remember correctly, 155 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:30.959 kind of like out of space. 156 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.960 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were early. They were early 157 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:34.679 in that field. 158 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:40.279 Like whoa, yeah, I haven't had impressive dude. 159 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.320 There's a couple of those guys that are very interesting 160 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.919 because it's like you can see where society takes these 161 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.559 like shifts. It's like, okay, where we had two guys 162 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.320 at one point alive together with Thomas Addison had and 163 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.360 Nikola Tesla, and you can see where the powers that 164 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.960 be decided to use the tech and go with like Edison. 165 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.399 But if we would have went with Tesla, we'd probably 166 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.519 be living in a different society right now. We'd be 167 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.200 our approach to like energy and everything would be totally 168 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:14.039 different and resources and everything. And I think it's the 169 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.000 same like Tycho and some of those guys, Like I 170 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:20.440 think they were at like this pivotal point in history 171 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:25.039 and their work kind of got left behind and they 172 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.360 you know, it's like society went with another version of 173 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.399 the space concept and what we think about it with that, 174 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:34.519 I'd love to do something more on him because he 175 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.000 I was just kind of browsing him, man, you know, 176 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:40.440 I was looking more into Entakelpias and I found Tycho 177 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.360 Braw But all those guys are fascinating. 178 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.039 These are one interesting thing though, when he start looking 179 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.080 into those people and even the people who have set 180 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.200 the stage of like you know, at first we thought 181 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:50.840 we were the son of the universe. Then we thought 182 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.759 the son was the son of the Universe. Yeah, well 183 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:54.279 those motherfuckers were cultists. 184 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.440 Yeah, well we. 185 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:58.399 Have a cultists who are telling us what's in disguies. 186 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:01.879 Yeah yeah, think about it. And then we got asked 187 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:03.519 to doing it now, which you know, pretty much the 188 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:03.879 same shit. 189 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.799 And then yeah, and then you've got guys who were 190 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.720 This is one of the craziest things that I've come across, 191 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:14.000 is like the esoteric Christians who nobody talks about. 192 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.039 Well, that was a big thing, like even within the 193 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:19.559 Catholic Church. I was gonna even say this before, because 194 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:21.679 I do think there might be something there if you're 195 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:23.399 still looking like around I think like between like the 196 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.879 fifteen and seventeen hundreds, like certain people that are well known, 197 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:29.200 like within the Catholic Church, even Jesuit priests, they started 198 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:34.919 incorporating the Kabbala into the Bible to try to understand 199 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:39.080 the better, and supposedly they started getting like breakthroughs, you know, 200 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.919 like understanding. So there must be something even with that. 201 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.679 I do wonder, you know, when you even have people 202 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:50.200 in the Catholic Church even being like paying mine tobala 203 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:51.960 to understand the Bible more. 204 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.120 Sure, Yeah, yeah, sure. I had a guy on recently 205 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.960 and we were talking about how in the Book of Proverbs, 206 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:05.279 I think Solomon wrote that, and he's talking about he 207 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:08.960 keeps talking about wisdom, right, but like wisdom with like 208 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.039 a capital W. He's talking about wisdom. He's personifying wisdom 209 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.879 as if it's an entity or a person or a personality. 210 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.519 And we were talking about we were talking about, like 211 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:24.960 what if because the Gnastics said wisdom, they call wisdom sophia, right, 212 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.440 So we were talking about we were trying to figure 213 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.960 out is the Bible in Proverbs or is Solomon alluding 214 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.960 to like a spirit or an entity here when he's 215 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:41.039 talking about wisdom. And the more I looked into it, 216 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.240 the more I kept seeing that the Uhanna had to 217 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.879 go to the Kabbala to find the answers for that, 218 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.399 because there's I've got a thing in my phone where 219 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:53.799 I went and I found the Kabbala had all this 220 00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:00.480 extra information on that, Like I'm trying to remember the 221 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.759 terms in there, like world tree stuff. It's just crazy stuff. 222 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:05.080 It was over my head. 223 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.360 I feel like when you take Catholicism and try mixing 224 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:10.440 like the Kabala into and you actually kind of berth 225 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:14.320 out in a sense almost like uh narcissism. M hm, 226 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:20.720 because you start like well her medicabala that okay, Yeah, 227 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:25.600 because you can start almost attributing like certain characters for 228 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:28.279 certain roles depending on how like what's it easier for 229 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.639 you to understand or whatever, So I have to explain. Yeah, yeah, 230 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:33.960 you start getting like almost like kind of like a 231 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:40.279 cult Christian Catholicism almost extent when it comes to nacissism. 232 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:46.919 Well, how many so you were working Hebrew and. 233 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:49.759 I'm still big into that now, and oh yeah. 234 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:54.639 Yeah, I've used Hebrew Jamatria before. I don't know, you know, 235 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.159 I'm I'm where I am with Jamatria. I think it's interesting, 236 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.360 but I'd like to know more about how it works, 237 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:06.120 like like how what's the technology behind your matria? You know, 238 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.840 it's like, I know there's now we have it in 239 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:12.600 like a software form where you can just get online 240 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.279 and punch in numbers and get phrases back. But what's 241 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:18.840 like the technology behind that? You know? 242 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.279 Only I think if it's really being used a lot, 243 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.759 maybe cipher's or it's just to replace a word with 244 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:27.360 something that has the same value to it. Yeah, but 245 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:31.919 like ciphers are kind of huge. I think it also 246 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.840 just does help, like believe it or not. I think 247 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.919 like when you do actually see other words that equal 248 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.360 the same value, you know how Like they can say 249 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.360 like a symbol has like seven meanings to it, Like 250 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.120 sometimes I do think like, yeah, that's one of them, 251 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.480 and like some somewhere in there you'll find a match 252 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.320 that I think you'll be like, all right, that actually 253 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.799 fits in with everything. It's not to explained, but like 254 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:57.519 there's evening that I've noticed, like with ocultism, certain things 255 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:03.840 that like you'll just start getting eyeparts sense almost, Like 256 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.279 I do think that that is a part. I mean 257 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:11.879 when the polymaths we're into occultism, they included physiology into 258 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:14.240 the understanding of it. So you stop wondering, like is 259 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:15.000 that part of it too? 260 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.639 Yeah, it all seems to be connected. It all seems 261 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:20.320 to be connected. 262 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.639 That's really I'm bigging to myself. Is actually trying to 263 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.000 leak the eyes on the brain and like a cult 264 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:29.320 symbolism within the body. Yeah. 265 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:34.519 Yeah, it's almost like we have a physical connection. I'll 266 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.559 just use that word again, like a physical connection to 267 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:40.000 all this stuff. Like I don't know, what do you think, man, Like, 268 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:44.240 do you think that we are do you think there's 269 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:47.600 another realm like right up next to ours, or multiple 270 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.279 realms and we like interact with that. 271 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:55.080 It could be possible. Yeah, I think that at some point, 272 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.200 like when you have a magical experience, like I think 273 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.320 I've told you that, you know, it's more that's like 274 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.120 to me practicing real magic, I do think you're kind 275 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.240 of like separating your soul from your body, and like 276 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:07.639 if you do do something to that extent, you're not 277 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.120 like in this reality anymore the way you see it, 278 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.679 because you're not in the flesh like it's it's just different. 279 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:16.720 So I do think magic like you're already kind of 280 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.559 throwing yourself into another reality. And I have heard other 281 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:22.799 people of which I think in Nokia magic maybe is 282 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:27.240 like kind of like picking times and places that you 283 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.519 want to go to certain visions that I've heard other 284 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.799 people see that like almost gives you like an idea 285 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.279 that there's options of like choices or times that you 286 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.519 can go, like visions like oh, I'll go there, that 287 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.440 looks interesting, I'll go to that one. It's almost like 288 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:44.559 windows are doors, And I do think that those are 289 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:48.200 options of places to go almost like oh, if you 290 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.080 ever watched noway you know how those motherfuckers are. Like, 291 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.000 I do think as silly as that sounds, I'm not 292 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:55.120 saying I've done it or even want to entertain it, 293 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.519 because I probably don't, but I do think that's possible. 294 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:03.120 Yeah, Yeah, I've heard you talk about crossing the Abyss 295 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:05.799 and we can get into that if you want to 296 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:09.320 tell all that today, you can. But that's why I 297 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:13.039 asked you about the realms thing, because I'm trying to 298 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:18.440 I'm trying to comprehend what that means, like what crossing 299 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.159 the abyss means, because to me it and I could 300 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:23.799 be wrong, but to me, it kind of sounds like 301 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.519 stepping into like another realm. But maybe that's not the 302 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:29.080 right terminology. I don't know. 303 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.120 Yeah, I for me like and I hate trying to 304 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:34.360 explain like this because I don't want to try to 305 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:36.879 make it sound like edgy or like dark or anything. 306 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.879 But like I just like, I guess, like, if you 307 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:46.519 can't experience death, what's after death? Unless you have experienced 308 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:48.480 you know what I'm saying, And it's not going to 309 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.679 be in physical form, It's going to be a completely 310 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.159 different you know, you're in spirit, you know, I don't know, 311 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:58.559 you know what I'm saying totally different. You're going somewhere else. 312 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:03.039 You're totally different on I guess rules of law, how 313 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.559 reality is to be solid? 314 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:08.400 Okay, what about dimensions? 315 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:10.920 Instead of using there would probably be dimensions. I mean, 316 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:12.640 it would probably be the easiest way to explain it. 317 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:14.039 I mean, that's what it does. Seem like, it's just 318 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:15.079 different dimensions. 319 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.920 I mean that that's certainly the term they're using with 320 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:19.000 science today. 321 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.599 They really yeah, yeah, I can see that, making it 322 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.079 a lot easier to say, yeah. 323 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.640 I mean, you know, I've got because I just did 324 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:30.440 a big thing on because yeah, yeah, I just did 325 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:33.079 a big thing on decoding CERN. I did a huge 326 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:36.359 occult decode on CURN recently, and I got all that 327 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:39.680 stuff like swirling around in my head. But I was 328 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:42.880 looking into like articles and I was, I was. I 329 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.720 even got online and I saw like I was watching 330 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.400 like talks that the physicists at CERN was giving, and 331 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:54.960 they're all talking about dimensions like they're they're they admit 332 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:59.839 that they're tapping into another dimension. And and this guy, 333 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.400 I'm certain the physicists was talking about how to create 334 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:05.960 black holes and how that interacts with our dimensions. So 335 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.640 that does seem to be the word they're using. 336 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:11.160 I think it's a it's a fitting word, for sure. 337 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:14.119 It's just you know, when you say that, I just said, 338 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:16.160 I don't want to sound too sci fi either. I 339 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:17.359 hear it. 340 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:22.039 Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Man. I'm laughing because when 341 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:24.319 you said that, I started thinking about what's his name 342 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.400 who was who was doing magic with Parsons before he 343 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.640 started the Church of Scientology, Hulbert Hobard because he would 344 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:36.680 make things very. 345 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:37.720 I mean, I think I was writing sci fi books. Yeah, 346 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:39.279 you already do what to do? 347 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:42.839 Yeah, but I think you're good, my friend. You're not 348 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:44.119 You're not taking it that far. 349 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.799 I'm still confused on what the fuck it was. Yeah, 350 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.039 so mm hmm, but h yeah, yeah, I would. I 351 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.279 would just say I do think to an extent, I 352 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.839 do think you do actually kind of it's a your 353 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:02.559 death experience for sure. Put it that way. So, I mean, uh, 354 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:04.240 and it was not what I thought magic was going 355 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.079 to be about at all. I did not think that 356 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:06.920 that was a part of it. 357 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:13.759 So what was a near death experience for you? Was 358 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:17.240 it just okay? Was it like, did you have multiple 359 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:20.599 near death experiences while you're practicing magic? Or did you 360 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.680 have one crazy supernatural or whatever you want to call it, 361 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.119 one one crazy experience were you. 362 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:32.160 I've probably, oh god, I don't know how many times, 363 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.440 probably I don't know, six to seven times. I probably 364 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:39.200 actually did it on purpose. Three times I did it 365 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:40.680 in like a week. And then actually, I do think 366 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:41.960 that kind of fucks you up if you do it 367 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:44.039 too too often. But I mean it's done through like 368 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:48.359 meditation that you'll I do think that like when the 369 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.880 magic happens, I do think you're actually like you're kind 370 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:53.640 of slowing down your body and you're slipping out a 371 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.079 little bit, And I do think you you click out 372 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:59.319 for a little bit for a second and you go 373 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.799 somewhere that is that here for sure. And then there's 374 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.119 times where like now I haven't done that in a minute, 375 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:09.440 I'll be totally honest with you, I'll take myself to 376 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:14.079 the edge, like whenever this happens. Now there's always a 377 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.640 set of visuals and feelings that always come with it, 378 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:20.680 Like I already always know like after this, it's like 379 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:26.640 you know, do it? I literally you know? And so 380 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.039 I know, like if I start thinking of so, like 381 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:31.160 you could take yourself out of it for me, so 382 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.400 I'll take myself to the like the I guess to 383 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.640 the ledge, and I do get benefits out of that 384 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:37.920 with meditating, I do think, but I have that like 385 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.279 gone that far, but uh yeah, I do honestly think 386 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:43.200 that when you when you do that, even from the 387 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:45.799 feelings that I've had and what goes on with the 388 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.960 body and even the situation with that one time I 389 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.519 said it, I did it a couple of times within 390 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:53.680 a week. I mean I actually was so physically uncomfortable, 391 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:55.119 end up going to the hospital and I did have 392 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:57.960 issues and it was like stuff that never reoccurred again. 393 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.440 So that was even even like my eyes or even 394 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.319 like one pupil was bigger than the other one for 395 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:04.200 like weeks. 396 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:07.160 After doing this. 397 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.079 Yeah. Yeah, I've even posted on Twitter. Was years ago, 398 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:12.000 like one time I brought myself really close to a 399 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:16.440 meditated like that real close. It stopped and my pupils 400 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:18.039 were fucked up. I even took a picture of him. 401 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:23.279 Yeah, I mean that sounds like you, like I said earlier, 402 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:26.279 like it's almost like there's a physical connection with us 403 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:31.920 and you know whatever we want to call that other dimension. 404 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:35.079 It's like because that sounds like you stepped into another 405 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:38.720 dimension and when you came back or came back into 406 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.200 yourself into this one, like it messed with you physically. 407 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.319 Actually, I do think, I actually think in order to 408 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.079 do what you're doing, I do think you may actually 409 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.440 like burn shit up and you stuff in your body. 410 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:52.319 As crazy as it sounds, like some. 411 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:54.240 Kind of a fuel, like a metaphysical feeling. 412 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:57.359 Yeah that or it's like the kind of all you're like, yeah, 413 00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.359 body runs on electricity. It kind of like you have 414 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:01.680 to it back out, kind of like you kind of 415 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:03.640 alternating current. 416 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.960 I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. While you're talking, like, 417 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:13.559 I'm thinking about stuff I've read concerning Tibetan monks when 418 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:18.720 they get super deep into meditation and and even remote viewers. 419 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:22.920 I've heard some crazy stories like that, well that where 420 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.519 they will like whatever it's called bio relocate or whatever, 421 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.279 they'll they'll find. So Jock Valet has the story about 422 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.240 his first time remote viewing with Ingo Swan or something. 423 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.079 They gave him coordinates and they sent him to like 424 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:40.079 a top of a mountain somewhere like it was real cold, 425 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.079 and he said he felt the cold, you know, and 426 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:44.640 there was a snowy mountain peak and he actually went 427 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.000 there for a minute or two and he and he 428 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.960 it physically was shivering. That's what this kind of that's 429 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.720 what this reminds me of, at least, I don't I'm 430 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:57.039 not trying to like take your Oh. 431 00:22:57.119 --> 00:22:59.880 I think astral projection is like real close to like 432 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.079 the same. You know, yeah, my experience might be a 433 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:05.559 little bit further, but I think actual projections like I 434 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:07.440 would consider that magic too in a sense. 435 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:09.480 Yeah, that's what I was going. That's what I was 436 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:11.880 gonna say, man, because I mean, you're. 437 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:17.480 I would even say, is that picking one of the windows? Okay, 438 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.079 I don't know, you know, maybe that is Maybe that's 439 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:22.160 maybe that's more advanced than what I've done. I have 440 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:22.559 no idea. 441 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:28.960 Well, that's what Levey's kids were talking about. They talked 442 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.880 about how they were taught to go into the astro realm. 443 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.319 There's you know what you haven't call Crusher that's okay, 444 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:39.000 you should have it. But he's he does ship like that, 445 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.599 and he's he's friends with a lot of what's his name, 446 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:46.160 Carl Crush, call Crusher Okay, yeah, yeah, he's actually if 447 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.960 you get in touch with him now like this, he's 448 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.519 my boy and everything. But like people messing with He's 449 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.799 kind of throw himself right into the lines. Then, Jesus, 450 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:57.000 you know who these people are, right, He's getting involved 451 00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.359 with people that are you know, claiming. I think I've 452 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.839 actually worked with the government remote remote viewing. 453 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:02.519 Mm hmm. 454 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.359 To him, talk to him. He's a good dude, good dude, 455 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.359 really nice guy. I have him on the show all 456 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:11.279 the time. Talk to him about remote viewing. 457 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.160 Sure, yeah, I love I love remote And he does 458 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:14.839 it himself too. 459 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:16.680 He does it himself too, And there's been certain things. 460 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:19.599 I you know, I think he's legit. I'll just be honest. 461 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:21.000 I think I think he could do it. 462 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.519 I think it's legit too. 463 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:24.319 I mean, he told me that was in my closet 464 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:31.279 that he wouldn't have Like really, yeah, mother fucking man, 465 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:33.440 that's fuck. It actually waited me the funk out tell 466 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.480 you the truth. He did it like after a show bullshit, 467 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.480 And he mentioned something about some ship close and I 468 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:39.720 was like wow. 469 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:43.359 I mean, I've I've always thought that, I've always had 470 00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:46.720 the inclination that something real is happening with remote viewers. 471 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.000 I knew a remote viewer as well, and they just 472 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.480 they just don't They're not They don't be s dude, 473 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:55.319 they don't make up stories like they're they're just like, 474 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.319 you know, it is what it is, and we have 475 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:02.000 these long standing government per like if it didn't work, 476 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.640 they wouldn't have a twenty year remote viewing program. But 477 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.400 we have documents to prove that they have. 478 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.079 I think this stuff is legit. And be honest, most 479 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:12.160 of those people probably like you're saying and telling the truth. 480 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:14.759 It's just the understand the way they're presenting it and 481 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.680 telling you what's really going on, that's the fucked up problem. 482 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:18.039 Yeah. 483 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:20.160 Then I tell you that this is like magic or 484 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.680 somebody somewhere and the government's making them be able to 485 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:26.599 do this. They're actually pushing like occult principles onto this person. 486 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:28.640 You know what I'm saying. It's like practically almost okay, ultra, 487 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:31.440 if you're going to make somebody be able to do this, Yeah, 488 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:33.720 that's my opinion, you know what I'm saying. They're not 489 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.759 explaining like these are the side effects of having a 490 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.799 magical experience, you know, and and death may be evolved 491 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:42.319 in that. That's my opinion. You know what I'm saying. 492 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:44.559 That's the whole secret that they're leaving out my opinion 493 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:46.720 part of it. But if you told people everybody they 494 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.200 have a magical experience, you actually have to kind of 495 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:53.039 have an experience like Jesus and die. And if they 496 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.559 thought that everybody who actually literally practices magic and understands 497 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.759 the occult, like people running the world, they do that constantly, 498 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.319 that's so fucking freaky. I don't think I think that 499 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:03.960 would actually be one of the secrets they don't want 500 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.640 people to know, because that actually sounds sick if you 501 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:07.559 start thinking about it. 502 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.000 I've had this thought too. 503 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.359 Yeah, because if someone's willing to keep taking that chance 504 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.880 knowing it may not come back, what do you think 505 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.440 they think about everybody else? If they're a maglomaniac. That's 506 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:20.039 why they have no problem killing people, because they have 507 00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:22.559 no problem if they happen today fucking around with magic 508 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:23.880 to gain knowledge that others don't know. 509 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.640 No, it does seem like an occult technology, like going 510 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.000 back to a remote viewing too. That that seems like 511 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.680 an occult method or or a magical method that the 512 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.440 government found out about. And they try to make it 513 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.839 look scientific. That's what they do with everything. They try 514 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:47.039 to cloak it in science and make it and act 515 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.359 like there's nothing spirit or you know, spiritual or magical happening. 516 00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.720 I think our country in Germany are like perfectionate. 517 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:58.319 Yeah yeah for sure, Germany for sure. 518 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.039 Yeah yeah is magic effects and stuff. 519 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.119 I mean, yeah that if if we didn't get it 520 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.720 from the Nazis, the Nazis got it from us. 521 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.799 Sometimes if you look back firing up certain things, it's like, well, 522 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.319 who actually started this first? It's like it's like you 523 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:18.559 see something that's like you see how it eventually grew 524 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:23.480 into something bigger than Yeah, and not just even with us, 525 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:28.160 like the cub Scouts, like like the Nazis actually brown 526 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:31.799 coats from my scam yeah yeah, oh yeah, what the fuck? 527 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.359 Like you know, yeah, they were. I was reading something 528 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.799 recently where the Nazis were over over in German and 529 00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.160 like their newspapers and stuff, they were praising the United 530 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:47.359 States for their eugenics program back in the early thirties. 531 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:50.920 We had we had a eugenics program. Not to get 532 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:51.680 too off topic here, but. 533 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.240 Logs were crazy into that ship. 534 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.839 We they our government seems like they kind of started 535 00:27:57.839 --> 00:27:59.960 to disband the eugenics thing in the thirties and four, 536 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:04.599 but before that, the Nazis loved it. They modeled what 537 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.759 they did after some of the stuff we were doing. 538 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.519 So yeah, man, like who got it from who? And 539 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.119 it's not just the Nazis, Like before the Nazis came 540 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:16.440 into power, there were there was a huge occult revival 541 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.680 happening over there in the early early to late maybe early, 542 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.279 but definitely late eighteen hundreds, turn of the century, Theosophy, 543 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:28.279 Golden Dawn. Oh, it's it was a huge. The Masons 544 00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:33.119 were their huge occult revival happening in Germany, and I 545 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.559 think it affected it sent ripples over here to us 546 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.160 popping off for the did you say fifteen hundreds, Oh yeah, 547 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.039 oh yeah, it goes back to two hundreds. 548 00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:43.400 Huge. 549 00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.839 Oh it goes clear back to Paracelsis. Yeah, into fifteen 550 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:52.039 hundreds for sure. Man, for sure. I'm selling it short 551 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.160 by saying eighteen hundreds, because you're absolutely right that that 552 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.960 occult movement. See, I saw it picking up in my research. 553 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.799 I saw a huge, huge pick up and in the 554 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.799 occult just it's just interesting the occult over there in 555 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.839 the late eighteen hundreds. But it didn't start then. I mean, 556 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:09.799 like you're saying a. 557 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:11.519 Lot of a cultist that might have came from other 558 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:13.799 places and somehow they always make it to Germany and 559 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.359 either yeah, hanging out a book too, whether they're you 560 00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:18.079 know what I'm saying. It's just really interesting. It's like 561 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.599 you almost think like they're going there for a reason. Yeah. 562 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.400 Yeah, and it's and it's also it's like not just Germany, 563 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.759 but it's a lot of places like right next to Germany, 564 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.920 like Basl, Switzerland or yeah, right there on the border. 565 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.759 Yeah, it's one that does pop up often. 566 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:34.559 Mm hmmm. 567 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:35.000 Yeah. 568 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:39.160 Yeah, that's a Basil was a while. That's a fun 569 00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.079 deep dive, man, like the stuff that was coming out 570 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.279 of Basl in the fifteen hundred. It's like some of 571 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.119 the books. I'm trying to remember the name of one. 572 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.160 I think it's the Arab Hotel of Magic. You ever 573 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:49.880 heard of that book? 574 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:52.119 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Comy that on the show a 575 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:55.799 long time ago. Yeah, yeah, I think that. 576 00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:59.559 Yeah, yeah, I think it comes out of Basl. 577 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.359 Yeah, there are, but there are a lot of books 578 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:03.000 that came out. 579 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.960 Of around that book is crazy. 580 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.839 Yeah, those are those old old books. There was stuff 581 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.000 that I used to look at when I was in 582 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:11.480 the Oto. 583 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.359 I'm sure, I'm sure. Yeah, let's let's talk about that, man, Like, 584 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:19.759 I don't what what what do you want to do here? 585 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.759 Because I I I'm having fun with the conversation, but 586 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.240 I also want if you want to be able to 587 00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.960 tell your story about the abyss, I want to give 588 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.400 you that opportunity or really, shoot you should we let's 589 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:34.839 go into let's go into what got you into Oto 590 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:39.319 because I actually don't know this. I'd love to know this. Uh. 591 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.799 Got into conspiracies Pylorisle twenty ten and around them for 592 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.880 me when I first kind of like started coming across stuff, 593 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.480 a lot of it was Jordan Maxwell, Michaelssary, and David 594 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:58.880 I Project Camelot. If anybody remembers them, well, so I'm 595 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.240 trying to think of other people. Who's that other guy? 596 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.839 He's Mark Passio, He's still around. Uh. They all focused 597 00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:07.799 on the occult a lot at some point, you know 598 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.640 what I'm saying. So that kind of got me a 599 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.160 little bit more interested in the occult aspect of conspiracies, 600 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.519 you know, and I started to believe that this stuff 601 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.079 was probably legit. You know. I did think magic was 602 00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:22.440 possibly real. There was like something hidden out there that 603 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:28.680 we don't understand, forces, energies, whatever, and uh so I 604 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.240 was always kind of like big into that, and I 605 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.799 kind of like, you know, just whenever I got into 606 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:35.359 conspiracy and stuff. You know, we listened to a lot 607 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:37.319 of other things, but that was just the main thing 608 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.759 that I focused on and listening about different types of 609 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.039 beliefs and all this and that. And then it shot 610 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.519 like looking into orders and like, oh, who's doing what, 611 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.680 who's where of this and that? And you know, I 612 00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.000 the same shit that a lot of us podcast about. 613 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.599 Literally I was interested in stuff like that, and then 614 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:55.279 like one day it's just a click in my head. 615 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.319 I was like, Yo, I still don't know what goddamn thing, 616 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:01.039 what the fuck magic is? Like, I just following names 617 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.079 and dates and orders and places like I still haven't 618 00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.440 figured out what the hell are they doing? You know. 619 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.480 So I was like, let me still looking into this stuff. 620 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.960 I started looking into stuff like online, and for me, 621 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.559 I just I wasn't into witchcraft really. I just felt like, 622 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:19.720 I don't know how to explain it. I just felt 623 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.680 like ceremonial magic and orders might have been a little 624 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:26.240 bit more regimented and actually like kind of like a system. 625 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.960 I didn't want to be like involved in something where 626 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.480 it's like, oh, you just throw some lavender over your 627 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.440 shoulder and spin around with a crystal and you get 628 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:33.920 to go now, you know, saying I want like there 629 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.160 to be like some substance to what I'm doing but 630 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.039 learning actually, so I started like kind of like looking 631 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.680 into like the Golden Down. I actually wasn't a big 632 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.119 fan of Croley. So that's why I like looked into 633 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.720 the Golden Door and stuff wasn't anything near me. I 634 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:50.920 wasn't gonna get involved in the Mazons because that would 635 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:52.759 take way too long for me to ever get into 636 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.759 practicing magic. I didn't know if the OTO because of Crowley, 637 00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:58.440 and I did have some of his books or read 638 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.000 some of his stuff, you know, some of his books 639 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.759 all highly suggested to read if you're into that stuff. 640 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.519 And there was like a book that I had. It 641 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.240 was Donald Craig. I think it was like the twelve 642 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:10.759 or thirteen Lessons in Magic. It was one of the 643 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:12.640 first books I bought to kind of like get into. 644 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.480 And he did quote Crowley and like some of the 645 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.079 stuff in there might have been Crowley's. So I was like, 646 00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.160 all right, let me see if there's an OTO. I 647 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.640 was like, fuck, there's one twenty five minutes away. I 648 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.319 was like, damn, I guess I'll just go there, and uh, 649 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.000 they're not that secret to find again. I found one 650 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.240 name in my house not too far away. They all 651 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.640 have like social media somehow they'll they'll be like even 652 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.240 on the website, the oto website, they'll let you know 653 00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:41.079 where their orders are so you can contact them if 654 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.319 you want to go. And I found that one and 655 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.920 I contacted him somehow its Facebook, email something whatever, one 656 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:48.960 of their contacts, and I told him I was interested 657 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.920 in coming to Anostic mass. And I think they gave 658 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.119 me their calendar or whatever. I already saw the calendar 659 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.000 or knew the date and told them which one I 660 00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:57.240 wanted to come for, and they're like, all right, the 661 00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:59.319 day of just let us know. I was like, all right, cool. 662 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.119 The day he emailed them, let them know, and then 663 00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:04.079 they gave me like it was like obviously, like kind 664 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:05.799 of like a copy paste thing. It was like directions 665 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.320 from all different places the address, you know. The situation. 666 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:11.679 One thing I did think was weird was a little 667 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.639 fucking creepy about it off the bat was that. But 668 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.320 I understand now because of the situation. At first, I 669 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.760 was like, yo, what the fuck is going on? It 670 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.880 was like in an apartment building in Queens and there 671 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:26.079 was a park across the street and this apartment building 672 00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:27.639 like you need a key to get into the fucker, 673 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.760 all right. So like so it's basically in the directions. 674 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:32.880 It's like, you know this park benches across the street 675 00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.800 from the gate, go hang out there and we'll come 676 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.679 out and get you. And I'm just like, oh my god, 677 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.159 this is already fucking weird. And like I turned the 678 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.159 corner because I parked a few blocks away. It's Queen's 679 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.239 and there was a bunch of people standing there. So 680 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.159 I was like, okay, I was like, at least not 681 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.239 sanding me here by myself. Like I could already tell 682 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.239 just from looking at them they must be there for that, 683 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.159 you know, by the way they were dressed. I was like, yep, 684 00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:00.159 that's them. Whatever ended up going in it was a 685 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.880 Gnostic mass. Uh, it was a little different than that. 686 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.400 You can find it on YouTube. You find it if, 687 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.239 I mean, if you really want an honest representation of it, 688 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:11.039 I would try to find anything David Shoemaker's won on 689 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:16.199 video of Vimeo the Gnostic Mass. But you know, it's 690 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.320 a little different, but I didn't know. I kind of 691 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.360 had an idea what I was getting into. The difference 692 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.400 is on YouTube, you will not see the boobies. You'll 693 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.960 not see tits in the Gnostic Mass. So that that 694 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.199 took me off guard because I had not I've watched 695 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.719 the YouTube version, and I watched it. I was like, 696 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.559 all right, this is kind of like church, you know, 697 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.360 for them, it's a little weird, but you know, it's different. 698 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:35.800 I was like, I think I can handle this. It 699 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.079 was like, you know, nothing crazy, and uh yeah. I 700 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.039 was there and all of a sudden, fucking tits around. 701 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.480 I was like, oh, was it anything like the some 702 00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.719 of the scenes and strange Angel. Did you ever see 703 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:46.760 that Jack Parsons show. 704 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.039 Oh yeah, well the priestess is topless for a part 705 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:53.280 yeah part yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, yeah, you 706 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.079 will get that. And uh, I mean it's like a 707 00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.360 literally like a few minutes, well, you know whatever. It 708 00:35:58.400 --> 00:35:59.800 freaked me out and I was like, if it against 709 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:01.679 any different than this, I'm getting the fuck out of you. 710 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.960 But uh yeah, and some somehow that wasn't weird enough 711 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:11.079 that I probably stayed about six years after that, I 712 00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:13.119 did the second time I went back, though, it was 713 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.679 for classes, because that was I mean, they did offer classes. 714 00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.400 They had like history classes too on like certain people 715 00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:22.239 or certain like errors maybe or types of magic or 716 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.559 you know people, occultists. You know, they were covered stuff 717 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.239 like that too. It wasn't just always sure you know, 718 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.760 uh gnostic mass and rituals. So I did do a 719 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:33.079 lot of those things, and I was like, all right, 720 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.679 there's some sort of benefit here, and like I can 721 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.679 meet people and get ideas, you know, to bounce ideas around, 722 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:47.960 learn from. But obviously I didn't stay. You know, eventually 723 00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:51.719 I realized this, this isn't the place for me. It was interesting. 724 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.280 I I'm glad I went because I do think like 725 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.639 by the time I left, I knew like who I 726 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.599 wanted to be and who I didn't want to be. Left. 727 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.920 Well, I'm thinking about it in these I went through 728 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:06.880 a couple of degrees too. I'll just do like, okay, 729 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.400 well that's what I was kind of going to allude to. 730 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:13.239 It's like i've worked a job. I'm thinking about one 731 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.400 of the jobs in particular I've worked and I was 732 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:18.239 there for six six years as well. And when you 733 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:23.119 when you're when you're in something like a job or 734 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.760 when you spend that much time doing something, you become 735 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.639 part of the place, It becomes part of you. So 736 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:34.079 I imagine you learned a ton six years. Is you 737 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:35.599 learn a lot of years? 738 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.480 Yeah? Yeah, Oh for sure, I would say. I mean 739 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.079 throughout that time, my idea of magic, even though it 740 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.760 was never what I thought it was, that had changed 741 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:48.880 my understanding of the things that I studied. Again, like 742 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:50.760 I had even said, I didn't really get into Kabala 743 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.159 my first year year and a half, and like I 744 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.199 was in the Oto for a good part of that 745 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:58.719 and like it is heavily cabalistic, and I still was 746 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:02.239 just like, eh, like I'm afraid. Yeah, I finally got 747 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.760 into it. I was like fuck, I was like, what 748 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.599 was I waiting for? I was like, I love this ship. 749 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.000 It's so fucking like mind bending. 750 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:11.360 Yeah yeah yeah. And let me rephrase something that not 751 00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:13.960 that the Oto became part of you, because that's not 752 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.559 because you saying you seem like you grow. 753 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.079 No, I have a few hooks in me, but I 754 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.440 I there was. Luckily, there were certain things that was 755 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.000 said why I was there, that they told you at 756 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.039 one point to go any further, like they did they 757 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:29.599 let you know certain things At the end of one 758 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.360 of the initiations, I was like, well, I will never 759 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:32.960 ever be able to do that. So then at that 760 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.719 point I knew my time was off. But I mean 761 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.119 I might have stayed longer. I don't think I would 762 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:41.000 have been a lifetime person, but it I'm glad I left. 763 00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.920 How much better? Mm hmm. You know, and that and 764 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.599 not that it was going to make me an evil person. 765 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.159 I just think like it was extremely liberal. 766 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:54.960 Oh, I hear you, extremely okay, M I could see that. 767 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.360 I could see that. I know there's some there's some 768 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:04.159 people who why I'm friends with on Instagram, and it 769 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.800 seems like the more liberal leaning people tend to be 770 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:13.199 in either a cult or like ghost hunting. I don't 771 00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:14.119 know why that is. 772 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:18.880 Oh you're something with that? 773 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:24.679 Why that is? But I just said that on the podcast. 774 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.920 So I'm saying that about any of the ghost hunters 775 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.840 I've had on my show. But I have noticed that 776 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.559 for ghost hunters to have on my show. 777 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:33.679 It's not all of them. 778 00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.559 No, No, there's something I have noticed. I was like 779 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.760 with that, What's I was like, it's sort of making 780 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.840 me wonder, like, what about ghost adventures, like what about 781 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:45.599 ghost hunters, Like I wonder what their ideas. 782 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.559 Well, maybe it's because, you know, were they liptards? 783 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:50.159 And I never know. 784 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.519 Maybe it's because you know, if you look at like 785 00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.280 not to get or or anything like that. But like, 786 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.840 but like you know, it has changed, like the gold 787 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.559 Post has changed. What it means to be a liberal 788 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.679 ten years ago is not what it means today. Like things, 789 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.320 but it seems like, you know, you to join an 790 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.159 order like that or to be interested in it, you 791 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.159 you have to be open minded. So maybe maybe it's 792 00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:20.800 like that open minded thing like they're you know, well 793 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:21.360 I think you. 794 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.079 Know what, you know what the bad thing is, Well, 795 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.000 I won't see. It's just for me. And like again, 796 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:28.719 like I'm not even trying to be harsh about it, 797 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.960 but it's just like all right when you're in these things, 798 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.920 and especially for me, if you kind of feel weird 799 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.320 or like even that weird. But like I obviously didn't 800 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.719 specifically fit in completely because I'm even just the way 801 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.039 I looked people saw me in the streets, they would 802 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.760 have no ideam into this shit. Really, everybody that you 803 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.320 can't tell you know what I'm saying. So when I 804 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.480 walk in I say it out so uh like I 805 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.400 just always like so like either camaraderie. Once you like, 806 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:55.480 all right, I take manrval, all of a sudden they 807 00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.239 start calling your brother or sibling or whatever, even though 808 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.519 that's not supposed to be said unto a fucking first degree. 809 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:03.639 So they already start saying things like that. So it 810 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.480 gives you a sensible longing and it starts making you 811 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.239 feel good, and then you are all right, these people 812 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.480 are cool, that's not bad. And then things that you 813 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.079 thought probably a year ago that's straight up mental illness, 814 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.920 now maybe not be because ah, they're not too bad now. 815 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:16.800 I'm not saying that they're a horll of a person 816 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:20.679 because they're mentally ill. No, but you start fucking changing 817 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.039 things in your mind to justify the situation you're in, 818 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:24.639 and before you know it, I'm not even thinking the 819 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.519 same person I was a year Coming in makes me 820 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.000 look that at times, they said, in order for me 821 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:33.920 to even walk in this place and stomach it, sometimes 822 00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:37.000 I actually have to like really like kind of I 823 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.880 don't shut shit off, you know, which I guess you 824 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.039 know that's kind of a magician thing to do. Anyway, 825 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:43.639 if you want to get what you want, You're gonna 826 00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.320 have to you know, I ask just to an extent 827 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.000 and listen, you're gonna sell your ass. But you know, 828 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.760 you know, you have to have a GPS, I guess, 829 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.960 and you find a way to get to the destination 830 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:54.519 that you want. So I guess if I wanted to 831 00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.159 keep learning and thought it was there, I had to 832 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.519 deal with it. But it was just, you know, at 833 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.039 times I was just like I normally, but not even 834 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:02.119 fucking associated. 835 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.199 Here's a rookie question. 836 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.079 I'm not even trying to be mean. It's just like, 837 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:07.719 all right, you're cool. It's just we don't need to 838 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:09.280 hang out or like talk, and I don't have to 839 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.360 act like I like you all the time. I get it, 840 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.760 you know what I get it. It's like that you 841 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.800 just start finding did you change a little bit? 842 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:17.960 It's like that with that, you know, not to just 843 00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:21.599 keep going back to making the analogy of working a job. 844 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.599 But you know, you take a job, you're around a 845 00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:26.599 bunch of people you would normally hang out with, and 846 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:27.920 you start being cool with them. 847 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.760 You know that happens. You know, it's a good way 848 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:33.400 to even use that as an example podcasting. Depending on 849 00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.360 what group of circles. You start getting into wolves and 850 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.880 you supposed to here to certain ideas and people. Sure. 851 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:39.800 Yeah. 852 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.280 I left the ot O and came of the podcasting. 853 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.039 I was like, this ain't any different. 854 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.440 For the fu Yeah, I know, man, I know, I'm 855 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:53.960 not gonna. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna buy it my 856 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:54.440 tongue for this. 857 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.920 No, no, no, you know, I'm just saying I think 858 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.159 everybody does. Everybody who knows you know, it's a is 859 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:01.000 it what it is? 860 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:01.400 It? 861 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:01.880 Yeah? 862 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.960 So but I'm sorry, I gotta I gotta ask this 863 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:08.599 and I know what it's like. 864 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.000 Any question you want to ask? Man? Again, Like I said, 865 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.639 any any answer, I'll answer as honestly as best as 866 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:14.960 I can. There's no secrets for me. 867 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:18.840 All right. What what's the first thing that they teach 868 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:21.920 you when you get in there? Can you disclose that 869 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:23.159 or well? 870 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.159 I guess all right, I mean disclosing it. I guess 871 00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:27.920 like all right, Well, I mean they do. They don't 872 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:31.360 really teach you. They suggest that you learn like the 873 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.320 Pentagram ritual and the Hexagram ritual. Now I guess teaching you. 874 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.400 I mean, I guess you would consider that stuff that 875 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.079 they do with the initiations Okay, there's certain things that 876 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.599 will teach you like a word, They will teach you 877 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.480 a grip, and they will even teach you like a 878 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.960 sign that you'll do and uh Minervel. The first one 879 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.559 that they give you is on which it was kind 880 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.119 of funny that it's the name of God, and I 881 00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.320 was like, I heard that in the Joining Maxwell fucking 882 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:03.480 video twelve years ago. Thanks, Like that's what I was 883 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:07.119 waiting for it, you know. And then uh, he's another 884 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.880 name of God. Then then then they give you like, uh, 885 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:11.920 you know, how you do the handshake, You stick out 886 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:13.480 of your thumb and somebody's supposed to come over and 887 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.559 squeeze at twelve times. Mm hmm. 888 00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.679 So they acknowledge God, not not in a Christian sense, 889 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:22.119 but they acknowledge God. 890 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.760 Yeah, yes, oh yeah yeah, different words for it. 891 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.679 Okay, I didn't know that. So now now I'm worrying. Okay, 892 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.159 what is on is that? What? 893 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:32.559 What is that? 894 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:34.519 Derivative of? What language? Is that? 895 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.800 The truth? Off the hand? I couldn't tell you. I 896 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.559 do know the I mean the first three initiations I 897 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:50.760 remember correctly. They're all kind of taking place. Oh by Heliopolis, Monval, 898 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.440 you're heading to Heliopolis, but like you're also getting picked 899 00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.840 up by like Sufi dudes, like you know, like sure, 900 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.280 so yeah, I mean, I don't know if it has 901 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:01.960 anything to do. 902 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.920 With sufi is Middle Eastern mysticism, right. 903 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first three are pretty much dealing 904 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:14.159 with that whole type of like scenario and situation and area. Yeah, 905 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.679 so what was weird because because because in the second 906 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:19.480 degree they make you stand in the corner and hold 907 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.119 a sword. But the sword ain't bent like a fucking 908 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.199 one over there. It's a straight sword. So now that 909 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.079 doesn't even match the area I mean, or even the 910 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.679 fucking time. Maybe it's weird, right yeah, yeah, yeah, I 911 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.239 bet you there's a reason for that though. There's probably 912 00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:33.880 a reason for that. 913 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.639 Yeah, there's probably a reason. Things change over time, who knows. 914 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:41.320 But like the hexagram and the pentagram ritual are those 915 00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:42.280 are two different things? 916 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:47.400 Yes, yes, one's the pentagram. You're basically dealing with elemental 917 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.800 energy so well that they are dealing with elemental energies 918 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.400 here the hexagram rituals you were starting to like tap 919 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:56.440 into planetary energies or you could start using that with 920 00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:00.280 like the Kabbala like ideas with the Kabbala because like 921 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.280 you can even attribute planets to the Kabala and then 922 00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.760 you can start kind of like working with aspects of 923 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.840 the Kabala in a sense. 924 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:08.239 Okay, so and that. 925 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:09.960 And that is not obviously with a hextagram. You know, 926 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.480 you'll you'll be drawing a hextagram or different variations of 927 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.360 a hexagram for that for that ritual. And it's just 928 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.280 so it's a lot more. It's a lot more to it. Yeah, Okay. 929 00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.000 So that's interesting because we talked about this book a 930 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:26.079 minud ago Erbtel Magic, and I picked up. One of 931 00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.480 the concepts I picked up on in that book is 932 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.280 this idea of the elementals and then the planetary. And 933 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.800 I think, if I'm remembering correctly, in that book, the 934 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:41.920 planetary we're called Olympic spirits, and then the elementals were 935 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.719 like the sylphs, nymphs, dryads. 936 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.360 There's day you can, I think the cels. You're trying 937 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.159 to attribute that with their Yeah, but uh yeah, the 938 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.039 oh wow, that's another thing I totally forgot. Yes, Darbyitel 939 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:59.000 has the Olympic spirits in there. There is a but. 940 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:02.400 You guys weren't working with spirits. You're working with the concept. 941 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:07.679 Right me, Well, with them in there, I'm trying to 942 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.719 think whenever I did. I guess the gnostic mess is 943 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.760 kind of representative of somebody crossing the abyss on the 944 00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.440 Book of the day the Book of the Law was written, 945 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:18.800 Fuckay ninth and tenth or somewhere around there and probably 946 00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:22.360 sucking that up. Uh oh, that's why that guy said 947 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.119 four to eight has nothing to do with Alima. April eighth, 948 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:26.920 that's the day of the Book of the Law. Fuck. Sorry, 949 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.599 it's not a brain fark. So some guy said some 950 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.840 shit to me and I didn't podcast past. Yeah, no, 951 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.119 I had know. I had somebody on who's releasing a 952 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.599 book and it's coming out on Foy eight, And I 953 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.119 was like, I love that date, not even because I 954 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:43.920 like forty eight for a different reason, totally forgetting. I 955 00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:45.559 think that's the first day of the written of the 956 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.760 Book of the Law. And that's probably why he said 957 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.400 there's no reason behind that day. I don't want Fellomites 958 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:53.679 getting all excited for nothing. I didn't understand that connection, 959 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.360 and now it just clicked in my head. Wow. 960 00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:56.679 Cool. 961 00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:59.639 So yeah, that the book had written on eighth, ninth 962 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:06.599 and and those dates the lodge. You know, there's a lodge, 963 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.199 there's oasis is in camps. I would assume as long 964 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.760 as they have enough people there they the lodgers will 965 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:16.280 in the oasiss. I'm sure for sure they will do 966 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:21.840 rituals that day. Those will use uh hidiit nuts and 967 00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:27.079 horse in the in the in the rituals. But besides that, 968 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:34.079 I to tell you the truth, uh, unless somebody wanted 969 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.920 to do one and you have to get approval. A 970 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.039 lot of this stuff actually was normally kind of like 971 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.599 related to cabalistic stuff. One time when I was there 972 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.800 and I didn't go to it, they actually did some 973 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.000 sort of goetic thing. I can't remember. They might have 974 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.639 been like I think it was a Samuel me. I 975 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.960 can't remember. I suppose that they voked somebody something into 976 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.679 a triangle. I didn't go for, say sam I own, yeah, 977 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:05.719 like some goetic spirit though I can't remember. Okay, yeah, 978 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.199 but I didn't go for that. But that was the 979 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:08.840 one time that I was there for all that time, 980 00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:11.440 I saw that. But for the most part, like I 981 00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.639 would actually have to say, I don't remember, like there 982 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.840 was a few rituals that were done, like outside of 983 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:21.239 what they normally do, but it was nothing ever like specific, 984 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.039 like one time, one time they did a ritual, like 985 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:29.239 there was showing us how to make what you know, 986 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.840 like when you make an envelope, so seals, how to 987 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.639 make wax seals. Sure, you could use those in envelopes, 988 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.400 so you can actually make sigils out of that. You 989 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.320 can maybe design your own whatever and get put it 990 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:40.880 into a print or whatever, you know, if you wanted 991 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:42.880 to do that. And it was like one of our 992 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.440 classes like that, and the girl who was teaching the 993 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:48.679 class actually wanted to like turn it into a talisman. 994 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.920 So she ended up doing like the the banishing ritual 995 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.960 for the elementals to clear out where you are. Then 996 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.280 she eventually went into the lesser banishing ritual the hexagram, 997 00:49:57.639 --> 00:49:59.679 you know, and that banishes everything. It's like starting over 998 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.760 the c and slate. And then she invoked the sun 999 00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.480 and you know, that's kind of like rain over your 1000 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.079 own domain. It's you know, it's a good honestly, it's 1001 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.519 a good thing. It's kind of like you know, overall 1002 00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.559 balanced good thing for you, you know, in a sense. 1003 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:17.280 So that's what she was putting into the talisman, you know, but. 1004 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:19.400 Like which she would probably wear that right. 1005 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:24.000 Or yeah. I think it was something I can't exactly No. 1006 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:26.039 I think it was more or less like something to 1007 00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.480 or like use like on your you know, okay yeah, 1008 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.920 or or or to even just use it literally as 1009 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:36.840 a male stamp if you want. 1010 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.760 Okay, like to keep like to clear the energy of 1011 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:41.599 whatever you're sending. That's interesting. 1012 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.079 But uh yeah, like she did one of those rituals 1013 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.360 okay out of it, and I thought that was rather interesting. 1014 00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:55.039 So, okay, what the pentagram? Of course, most people, I 1015 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:58.119 think have a negative perspective of that because the way 1016 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:01.079 it's been portrayed in pop culture. You know, it usually 1017 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:04.920 shows up in true crime cases. You know, anytime you 1018 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.000 see a movie somebody's getting killed and they want to 1019 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.800 they want to like show you that there's an occult 1020 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.360 element to the murder, they'll throw the pentagram in. You know. 1021 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.480 That's I think that's what it kind of But what 1022 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.119 what did it represent for you guys? 1023 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:20.559 I just like the four elements in the spirit innocence 1024 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.920 uh Earth. It is also even used as a symbol 1025 00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:29.400 for Earth the pentacle on your altar uh man. 1026 00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:31.159 Me. 1027 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:32.840 I think itsult might even have to do with like 1028 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.079 light reflection, even like the symbol of lucifer is extremely 1029 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:41.960 close to how light reflects off you, like, extremely almost 1030 00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.199 looks just like it. So you have to sell wondering 1031 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:46.280 about shit like that. I do think that's why I 1032 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.760 get into the eyes of the brain. Yeah, you know, Uh, 1033 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.000 I mean that depends. I mean that's that's no, that's 1034 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.639 pendagram into like other things like, Yeah, I can get see. 1035 00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:58.920 I'm I'm learning a lot right now. I mean, I mean, 1036 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.400 I really am. And I think maybe we should probably 1037 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.440 tell people too that the oto. I'm going to take 1038 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.679 a stab at it, and you correct me if I'm wrong. 1039 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.840 That was Was it Theodore Roos and Crowley who created that? 1040 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.480 Theodore rous And I always forget the other guy's name, 1041 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.199 so sorry, I mean the guy's but uh, you know, no, 1042 00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:19.000 well you know for him, you know, I always forget 1043 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:20.360 this other guy's name. But I'm sure he was just 1044 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:25.960 as important. He started doing with somebody else and uh, Crawley, 1045 00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:28.320 I don't know what exactly. Neither he said something, I 1046 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.639 was writing something. He came across them that They're like, 1047 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.800 oh my god, this guy understands the secrets of our order. 1048 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:34.920 I supposedly they guy in touch with him. He was like, oh, 1049 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.280 I had no idea supposedly, but then they eventually met 1050 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:40.880 and they handed the order over to him, and he 1051 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:43.559 knocked out a bunch of the initiations and like kind 1052 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.960 of put the Book of the Law as a you know, 1053 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.679 the holy book and changed the order. It wasn't but 1054 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.440 they were originally like there were Masons who started an offshoot, 1055 00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:58.119 but at the time when it wasn't ran by Crowley, 1056 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.519 it did have like if a Mason came into it, 1057 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.239 and it was at a certain degree, you didn't have 1058 00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:06.679 to start at the bottom, so it was they could jump. 1059 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.559 Yeah, they get a little headstar. Now does it come 1060 00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:12.239 out of Germany originally? 1061 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:12.960 Yeah? 1062 00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:16.280 Yes, that's interesting, you know because we were just talking 1063 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.400 about that all this stuff, just. 1064 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:24.440 That they're the headquarters is Swiss. We were talking about 1065 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:27.960 Switzerland before. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. 1066 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.519 It's like weird weird ship is that even like this? 1067 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:33.559 Have you ever heard of the Saint Gallam Mafia? No, 1068 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:39.679 sat well, Saint Gallam Mafia a while ago. They are 1069 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:43.039 even like somehow tied to like the they're over They 1070 00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.599 started over in Switzerland and they were like somehow even 1071 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:47.639 tied to like the Oto like order over. 1072 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:51.000 Are they like a traditional mafia, like a crime family. 1073 00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.199 Or well they're uh, you know, actually, I'll just explain 1074 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.960 it real quick. It was like a bunch of bishops 1075 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:02.599 basically like card that that if you look at where 1076 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.480 we show in the in the in the thing is 1077 00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:09.280 that between like two dudes. They was basically freemasons that 1078 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:13.880 started because of their power, started putting people into position, 1079 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:16.920 and all of a sudden you realize, like between two 1080 00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:19.480 bishop and cardinals, they made all these other ones bishop 1081 00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:23.880 and cardinals that were all picking certain leftist ideology and 1082 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.519 trying to push it at the same time. Like it 1083 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:29.360 was like it was a choreographed effort to actually install 1084 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.840 a bunch of occultists to fuck up the Catholic Church. Wow. 1085 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:35.760 Pretty fucking interesting. 1086 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.280 Yeah, Like they were trying to like go in there 1087 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.519 and like change the Catholic doctrine or something. Yeah. 1088 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.440 Yeah, they were the ones who were pushing to get 1089 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.119 rid of the Latin Mass. They're the ones that are 1090 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.400 saying that, uh. 1091 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.280 Uh they want did they want a Gnostic Mass in 1092 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:56.559 place of that? 1093 00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:02.199 They want to do the Latin But that was one 1094 00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:06.639 of the connections that supposedly, uh, the OTO had used 1095 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.079 one of their churches to do domestic mass sometimes and 1096 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.440 that the church. Now this is now I don't know 1097 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:13.880 if this is true or not, because this is the 1098 00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.960 whole thing. The Oto even has cakes of light, which 1099 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:20.360 is not the same thing as what they give you 1100 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.880 in church. But supposedly this church was even like giving 1101 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.599 them like the cakes of light to use. So now 1102 00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:28.519 that I don't know if that's true, because that's not 1103 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.920 the same thing a Catholic church is gonna use. They're 1104 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.960 gonna have to make that themselves. And if they are, 1105 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.800 that to me is you've crossed the line and there's 1106 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:37.760 something fucking wrong there. If you're making cakes a light 1107 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:41.199 for the Oto, you know, something shady. 1108 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:42.440 Yeah, for sure. 1109 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:44.920 Well you know you're you're you're cooking menstrual blood into that. 1110 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.920 There's a lot of Wow, yeah, there's there's there's a 1111 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:51.719 I mean, you know, there's plenty of researchers out there 1112 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:56.760 who have done pretty good, diligent work, and what they've 1113 00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.960 kind of proposed is that there is a little sect 1114 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:05.480 of a cultists in the Vatican. Oh yeah, maybe it's 1115 00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:08.599 not a little set either, but there is at least sure. 1116 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.880 Again, like I was saying in seventeen hundreds. I mean 1117 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.639 they were basically a cultist and open about it. Not 1118 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:16.679 all of them were bad, but they were looking at 1119 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.159 Catholicism in completely occult way. 1120 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.719 Well, so what about this? Then? You know, you're when 1121 00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:28.320 you join the OTO and you start doing these rituals 1122 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.880 like you're doing the hecks, you're doing the pentagram, and 1123 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.400 then you're, you know, going, are you are you suited up? 1124 00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.559 Are you doing it in a Catholic kind of a way? 1125 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.280 Do you feel like you're at all? Right? 1126 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.679 At my house when I used to do this stuff, 1127 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.679 I remember even Max Well, my wife at the time, 1128 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:49.239 she had even said something about it looks like a 1129 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.360 Catholic church in here. Yeah, because the way I did it, 1130 00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.440 I was very much like the stuff I used just 1131 00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.119 looked like Catholic church. Like all right, I had the 1132 00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:02.599 incense burner that I had. He was one of those said, yeah, 1133 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:04.159 I had one of those ones that swing and I 1134 00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.599 would chain. I even had the thing that you would use. 1135 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.400 Uh when they used to do the water. It was 1136 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:10.679 like a thing with a ball at the end that 1137 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.079 you dump it in the water, and it has like 1138 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:13.519 a big cotton bowl in there, and it kind of 1139 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.039 just like, you know, let's it come out at the end. 1140 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:16.960 I use that to cleanse my circle. 1141 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:19.159 Oh you used the Catholic thing for that? 1142 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:23.840 Yeah? Yo, no shit you not two blocks down away 1143 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:25.800 from me when I lived in Queens was this beautiful 1144 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:29.199 Catholic church and they had this big fucking like coffee 1145 00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:31.000 earned thing in there that they used to fill up 1146 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.320 with holy water and then fill up these things as 1147 00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:34.679 you're walking in so you can dip your fingers in 1148 00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.239 and whatever. I would go in there with a bottle 1149 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.079 and just fucking I'd fill up a jug and bring 1150 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.039 it home. Wy would use the holy water. Yo. One time, 1151 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:45.559 I didn't even realize there with a fucking Salem, a 1152 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:48.199 Salem tea, a Salem hoodie with a pentagram on the back, 1153 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.760 filling up a fucking bottle of holy water in the church. 1154 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:53.639 Well that they'd be like, what the fuck is going 1155 00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:54.119 on here? 1156 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:56.639 I just got this, Like, I just got this mental 1157 00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:58.840 picture of you go and filling up your water bottle 1158 00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.719 with holy water and going back and doing you're doing 1159 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:03.679 a ritual at home. That's great. 1160 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:08.960 So that's awesome, man, Like even the whole idea behind 1161 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.119 I mean, these magicians who make their own holy water 1162 00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.719 because they do think like this something to that. 1163 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:14.119 Sure. 1164 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.119 Sure, and a lot of stuff with Catholicism that people 1165 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.599 would be surprised is like taken into consideration. With magicians. 1166 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:22.039 Yeah, I mean. 1167 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.519 They believe Moses was a magician. A lot of if 1168 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:28.880 they're not ignorant and don't deny the Bible of having worth, 1169 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.440 a lot of those magicians will even say Jesus was 1170 00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:34.960 against the magician. They all acknowledge them as being like, 1171 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:35.480 oh Jesus. 1172 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:41.000 I mean, I'm not Catholic, and i didn't grow up Catholic, 1173 00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:45.639 but I've got a lot of family in Pittsburgh and 1174 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.599 they're in a very Catholic centric neighborhood out there, and 1175 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.840 like all three of my cousins when they got married, 1176 00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.559 they had Catholic weddings. So I went to those. And 1177 00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:58.800 I'll tell you something right now, man, a Catholic wedding 1178 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.280 at least the ones I I went to was about 1179 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:05.639 ninety percent Catholic Church ten percent wedding. It was just 1180 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:09.360 like so when i started learning more about magic and 1181 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:12.960 the occult, and I'm reading about certain rituals and stuff 1182 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:15.320 like that, while I'm reading it, I'm thinking back to 1183 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:18.519 my time at these Catholic weddings, and I'm like that 1184 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:21.079 what I'm reading here sounds a lot like what I 1185 00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.519 saw them doing in the Catholic Church, just in a 1186 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:25.039 different way, just like a remix. 1187 00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.440 Oh. I well, I mean, I'll tell you right now. 1188 00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.320 Even people that I knew now this is again. I'm 1189 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.159 not saying it's siding of something I got into with 1190 00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.320 the Goatia. People who I knew were fucked with that 1191 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.760 were actually very like deep into like Catholicism a cult, 1192 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:46.079 and like very much even like the regalia, very like 1193 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:50.000 the Catholic or look like it's it's kind of interesting. 1194 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.719 Oh and you know, we're talking about Hebrew too earlier, 1195 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.440 and like in the Old Testament when they're at their temple, 1196 00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:01.239 when they set up the temple out in the desert 1197 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:05.079 or whatever, and uh there their priests are used in 1198 01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.960 those swinging incense things all the way back in the 1199 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:12.440 Old Testament. So I'm wondering if like that came from 1200 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:17.880 a Hebrew tradition originally. I mean, who knows, But I. 1201 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:19.880 Do even find it interesting, Like I got riantee you, 1202 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:21.960 there's a reason why we even use those I guarantee you. 1203 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:26.000 It symbolizes something yeah, oh, do you think with these 1204 01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:27.719 rituals and I'm gonna throw this out there with the 1205 01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:29.480 at least with the I mean the pentagram retro on 1206 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:32.280 the hexagram ritchill kind of you're doing the same thing 1207 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:35.079 in a sense. But this is gonna sound weird. But 1208 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.199 just when it comes down to adapting shit to physiology, 1209 01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:41.760 I actually think these rituals do show you the difference 1210 01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:43.440 that goes on inside your eyeball when you have a 1211 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:49.360 magical experience. Because your eyebill, when it goes to open up, 1212 01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:53.559 it pulls open at four corners. When it goes small, 1213 01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:57.639 it actually spirals closed, screws closed, and you're going to 1214 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.960 the full corners whichever's there, and taking control of it 1215 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:04.840 and spiraling around in your black robe at the same time, 1216 01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:08.519 very much like your pupils, screwing clothes and destroying the 1217 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:09.679 muscles that pulled it open. 1218 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.760 Have you ever seen a unwound. 1219 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:18.039 Then you, I mean, what's going on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? 1220 01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:22.920 Have you ever seen an unwound or unraveled heart? Because 1221 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:26.519 a heart is a heart is folded. It's a fold. 1222 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:28.280 It looks like it looks like if you were to 1223 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:33.000 take a scarf or like okay, even better, like like 1224 01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:37.280 a big long strip of flank steak that's real thin, okay, 1225 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.039 And if you wrap it up over a piece of 1226 01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:42.199 bacon or something, you can pull it out. That's that's 1227 01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:46.440 what a heart looks like. But when it's unraveled, bro, 1228 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.880 it's like, uh, it looks like a DNA strand. 1229 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:51.519 Oh shit, Okay. 1230 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.199 I got to check that out, and it looks like 1231 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:56.679 if I'll try to send a picture. I saw a 1232 01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:57.960 picture of it. I'll try to send it to you 1233 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.400 after we're done. But like, it looks like some other 1234 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:05.559 symbol as well. So the heart is not this chunk 1235 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.320 of meat that we symbolize as you know, like a 1236 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:12.239 heart emoji or whatever. It's it's an it's a it 1237 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:17.599 looks like a piece of a spiral of steak or something. 1238 01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:19.719 It's crazy, man, but I don't know. It reminded me 1239 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:23.519 so with the eye thing though. Back to that, so 1240 01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:28.239 you're saying earlier the symbol for lucifer looks like the 1241 01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:31.000 symbol of light hitting the eye, right. 1242 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:35.000 And the unit crystal exagram. I don't if you see it, 1243 01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:38.960 that's very close to something, you know. That's what's that 1244 01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:43.159 called against hexagram? Okay? Well, he ended up taking it over, 1245 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:45.960 but he didn't make it. He was a master of 1246 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:46.880 taking other people's ship. 1247 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:48.679 But it's got an eye in the center. 1248 01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:49.880 Right, Yeah, that I put it there. I had to 1249 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.519 put that in myself. But that's very close to how 1250 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:55.360 light reflects off your eye as well. Mm hmmm, well 1251 01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:59.039 so you know it also changes depending on how dilated. 1252 01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:03.920 It is to the next tent, you know, like fluctuates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1253 01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:07.239 you're onto something you're on. What is this houses fit 1254 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:10.000 into your do you want to do? Do you want 1255 01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:11.679 to talk about this cross? I'm want to talk about 1256 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.000 this crossing the abyss because I'm still trying to figure 1257 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:19.119 out what it is. Maybe that's not going to happen today, 1258 01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:19.719 but you. 1259 01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.159 Know we can. Maybe we won't figure it out what 1260 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:22.440 it is. 1261 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:29.159 I mean, but well, because it seems like maybe the 1262 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:33.079 eye and what's happening with the eye is maybe affecting 1263 01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:35.480 affecting that somehow. 1264 01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:37.880 Right. What I do think in the long run is 1265 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:41.800 like people, if anybody's ever been an emt or and paramedic, 1266 01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:44.159 you'll know exactly what talking about. You know, people they 1267 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.880 say the light goes out your eyes when you die. 1268 01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:50.480 I do think in his sense like you're actually writing 1269 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:52.400 that light out of your out of your body. 1270 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:54.480 Mm hmm. That. 1271 01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:56.599 But uh, the one thing I do before I even 1272 01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:58.679 get into this, one thing I do want to preface. 1273 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.719 When this happened, there was no drugs involved. I didn't 1274 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.920 start smoking weed again until like COVID got crazy because 1275 01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:08.119 I was like, if I got to go out to 1276 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:09.760 public and deal with this man this, I gotta I 1277 01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:11.480 gotta start smoking weed again. I can't deal with this. 1278 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.400 So I started like started kind of like picking up 1279 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.280 smoking weed again. But none of this had drugs involved. 1280 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:21.360 And believe it or not, the ones I'm going to 1281 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:23.000 talk about now where I do actually think it was 1282 01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.360 a magical experience. I never even did a ritual. It 1283 01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:29.840 was all done under meditation. So what I'm saying is 1284 01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:33.719 that drugs and rituals, I do not think it necessary. 1285 01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:35.800 It's not my experience. I just want to put that 1286 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:39.559 out there. And again, you know, it normally came from 1287 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:43.239 from meditating, uh, you know, just to get myself down, 1288 01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.199 you know, just to it. Normally, when I would go 1289 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:48.840 to meditate, I would sit in a chair with a 1290 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:51.239 straight back, so my back is straight, and I'll put 1291 01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:53.760 my hands on my lap straight on my legs. It's 1292 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:56.400 called the God pose. It's one of the poses that 1293 01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:59.159 is suggested to do in the in the Oto, and 1294 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:02.920 I think in Libert there was a suggested breathing techniques 1295 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:06.360 and poses to do during meditation. Libra O would be 1296 01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:08.039 one of their books that they do suggest that has 1297 01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:10.519 the hexagram and Pentagram ritual in there. If anybody's you know, 1298 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.000 not pushing it, but you know, I'm just saying those 1299 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:15.800 are texts that they would suggest. So I was using 1300 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.000 the God form and I was, you know, I will 1301 01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:21.239 normally sit there, I'll breathe, you know, in and out 1302 01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:24.159 for a while and get myself you know, relaxed. Then 1303 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.440 I'll start to like kind of just like in visualize 1304 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:28.559 like kind of energy going through my body up and down. 1305 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.280 It's just like a thing that I've done since day 1306 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:33.920 one when I started getting into meditating, because it was 1307 01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:36.360 just a suggested thing. It's like to try to visualize 1308 01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.440 and feel like an energy flow up and down. I 1309 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.280 would do that, and then eventually I would start like chakras, 1310 01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:45.320 and then eventually I would start like for me, just 1311 01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:46.960 I know, if there's other people out there that do 1312 01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.199 mess with chakras, they do say you can feel the fuckers, 1313 01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.599 And I do believe that speels like spinning bowls or 1314 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:57.639 something of like window like little tornadoes. I sat like 1315 01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.760 eventually like focusing on that and like practicing I think, 1316 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.320 like techniques and certain chakra books. You know, I got 1317 01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:07.360 big into that for meditation. A lot of things I 1318 01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:10.159 incorporated into meditation just to keep me meditating because it 1319 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:12.360 is hard for me, you know. Or Originally it's like 1320 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:13.840 who the fuck wants to sit there and try to 1321 01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.719 think anohing for fifty minutes? It's fucking boring, you know 1322 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:19.400 what I'm saying. Who until I realized, like, and that's 1323 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:21.239 one thing I do want to mention too, that there 1324 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.480 would be times where I go to meditate on tarot cards. 1325 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:28.559 It's not so much shutting everything off. It's just maybe 1326 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:30.920 only have five voices or if you're really good, to 1327 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.639 focus on one idea like this tarot card and try 1328 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.039 to get you know, what might pop into my head 1329 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.039 that I'm thinking about. You know what I'm saying. It's 1330 01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:41.559 not shutting it all off, at least not from my experience, 1331 01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:46.039 but it's fucking crazy. Uh So, like I would start 1332 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:49.840 like going into chakra work and then it just happened 1333 01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:54.360 that at one point, I just started like I would 1334 01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.079 focus on my pineo gland because I had noticed that 1335 01:06:57.119 --> 01:06:59.079 sometimes like when I was in a deep meditation, if 1336 01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:00.639 I was doing my shack is if I was the 1337 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.000 focus and like really pushing on my panial gland a lot, 1338 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:06.239 almost like visually, it would start getting darker. And I 1339 01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:08.800 always started thinking, like this, something's weird with that, or 1340 01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:10.559 is there like something that I'm doing, Like I don't 1341 01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:12.320 know with my eyes or in my head that like 1342 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.320 when I'm pushing there, maybe it's not my panial something else, 1343 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:18.679 you know, what's making like that visual change within my eyes. 1344 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:21.679 My eyes are closed, you know, because it was like 1345 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:25.360 it was definitely a difference in blackness. And I was like, 1346 01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:27.360 all right, we're going to play with this again. And 1347 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.039 I started like pushing on it hard and like I'm meditating, 1348 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:32.960 you know, I could have been meditating for like twenty 1349 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.119 thirty minutes at this point, already playing around with stuff. 1350 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:36.840 And again this has been years that I've just been 1351 01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:40.119 doing this stuff. And I started pushing on it like 1352 01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:43.639 really hard, and it got like really black to where 1353 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:46.440 like it's really weird, Like I'll take it this is 1354 01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.159 where it really starts to begin. Now that like when 1355 01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:51.360 the black starts to come in, it almost looks as 1356 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:53.239 if like let's say I was looking down at a 1357 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:56.079 black table and I went and like when like blue 1358 01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:58.239 on it, and there was dust on the table, but 1359 01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.159 I didn't even notice because it's so black. And when 1360 01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:02.480 like it blows away, you're like, oh my god, that's 1361 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.960 really black, Like you know, it's even darker because there's 1362 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:07.760 like no tint to it. It's like so black, or 1363 01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:10.239 like if like, uh, you're looking an asphalt and like 1364 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:11.960 oil started coming out of it, and that was even 1365 01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:13.719 darker than the asphalt. I don't know, but like it 1366 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:16.680 looked like something spelling out almost like in my vision, 1367 01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:21.159 like really fucking black, and it would have like these 1368 01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:24.760 razor lines around it that almost looked like like fluorescent 1369 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:28.000 like rainbow kind of bright colors. And it just starts 1370 01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:30.920 to like totally take up my vision and then eventually 1371 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.880 it's like really and then it'll almost starts to look 1372 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:40.359 like like a flag, like almost like water, you know. 1373 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:42.520 And this is something like I just want to say 1374 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:46.000 that I've even wondered about, like if you're if if 1375 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:49.199 light was to shine on like a black like a 1376 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:51.640 black floor. Could you make it look like a wave 1377 01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:53.720 depending on how the light shining on it, even though 1378 01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:56.000 it's not waving. So I'm even wondering if there was 1379 01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:58.039 this light already, like something going on with the light 1380 01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:00.720 and my perception even with that that's a little deep, 1381 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:02.479 but I have thought about that. But it does look 1382 01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:04.399 like it almost starts to be like a wave and 1383 01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:06.560 then all of a sudden, just like stop. It's like 1384 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:11.000 they'll start to see this little dark like you're not 1385 01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.039 dark bright right as hell. Pin dot looks like a star, 1386 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:17.760 like all the way out in the distance, and it 1387 01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:19.600 even almost looks like there's like I know, this going 1388 01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:22.319 sound crazy, like black clouds around it, because like as 1389 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:25.159 like you see the white pin dot, there's almost like 1390 01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.680 a glow coming from it, and you could see like 1391 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.760 these it almost looks like cloud puffs, but it's like 1392 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:34.920 drawn into the blackness, and it's like you see kind 1393 01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:38.000 of like that line or that shape so hard to explain. 1394 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.800 It's almost like you do you ever remember a view 1395 01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:43.920 Finders back in the day when we're kids and you 1396 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:45.760 play that, you push the thing on the side of 1397 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.479 it and it's almost like different layers of stuff to 1398 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.560 make it look three D and then yeah, darts to 1399 01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:53.640 look very much like that, even with the like the 1400 01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.600 layers of the clouds, and then like the star, and 1401 01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.079 as crazy as it is, your eyes are closed and 1402 01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:03.239 you could swear there's depth. It's it's fucking weird. You 1403 01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:06.279 almost like can feel it. It's very weird, and it 1404 01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:10.000 starts to get closer, and it will start like then 1405 01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:12.880 it'll start seeing like almost black come out and start 1406 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.119 like kind of swirling in the middle and turn into 1407 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.520 like a black sphere, and then eventually it's like you 1408 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:21.159 see this big Basically what you're getting now is an eclipse. 1409 01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:23.479 Went from a star to like it turns into an eclipse, 1410 01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:28.119 and I think he's sitting there. And then like those 1411 01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:32.600 lines I said before, those bright fluorescent lines, Oh no, 1412 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:35.560 I'm sorry. This happens. First I see it and it 1413 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:37.640 stays there and I see like the eclipse. Now this 1414 01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:40.520 whole time I'm pressing on my pineal glands still holding 1415 01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:45.920 looks like explosions almost start going out like around around it, 1416 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:48.159 and again it's like it's like pops of color. And 1417 01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:49.640 then if you remember, like what I was saying, that 1418 01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:53.239 almost looks like drawings of clouds. That's there again. But 1419 01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:56.199 because of the colors exploding and those outlines, it looks 1420 01:10:56.239 --> 01:11:00.279 like an explosion to me, more flowers blooming, which is 1421 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:01.479 why all my logo logo. 1422 01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:07.399 But yeah, yes, it looks like an eclipse with flowers. 1423 01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:11.239 Flowers blooming around. Trying to visualize my vision. Yeah, I'm 1424 01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:14.640 trying to. So, uh, that starts to happen and it 1425 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:18.319 starts to look like roses blooming. Yeah, that will go 1426 01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:21.880 away and out of like the four called the directions, 1427 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:25.279 those bright thin lines will start to spin almost like 1428 01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:28.439 spiraling like a camera case or camera lens. You know 1429 01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:31.960 how that just like your pupil basically how it's spirals. 1430 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.640 You will see that coming out like spiraling out of it. 1431 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:39.479 It was all these spirals coming out of the fucking eclipse. 1432 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:42.640 And like it almost even feels like it's like like 1433 01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:47.079 like almost feeling like stuff within your body. Wow, we'll 1434 01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:48.800 get into that when you really start to feel that 1435 01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:52.199 start to change. Because there's a whole physical feeling that 1436 01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:55.920 I have never ever ever felt unless I fuck with magic. 1437 01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:59.000 I've never felt it again before or after, so it's 1438 01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:03.600 very distinct to me. So yeah, so I see that 1439 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:06.479 and that starts spiraling out and then all of a 1440 01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:09.600 sudden you start getting like these geometric like shapes. So 1441 01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:15.680 you know we were saying it before, like geometry, Yeah, 1442 01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:19.600 like all these and it's like spiraling and like pasted 1443 01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:21.840 you coming out of like the side of the eclipse. 1444 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.159 And then right around the time that starts to stop. 1445 01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:28.520 I don't know if you've ever seen like the logo 1446 01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:31.640 I might use on my on my Twitter, on my 1447 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:34.520 YouTube where instead of clips and then the movie reels 1448 01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:37.439 coming out of it, I had Maria from Symbolic Studies 1449 01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:40.800 make that for me. Amazing piece of work he did. 1450 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:41.119 He did. 1451 01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:44.439 It's another vision of mine. When that starts to happen. 1452 01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:46.840 What will happen is that those those shapes will go away. 1453 01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.760 And then for me, the easiest way I try to 1454 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:53.960 explain it, it looks a lot like if movie reels 1455 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:57.960 were running past you real slow, or if like you 1456 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:01.800 were standing in the middle of the and two cars 1457 01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:05.800 are coming down going the same direction but really slow, 1458 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:07.840 and like you were a look you could see inside 1459 01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:10.960 the car windows, and so you just start seeing and 1460 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:14.119 they look like they're like cellophane with a sepia look 1461 01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:16.720 to them. It's like literally, like I've actually wondered. And 1462 01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:18.720 I'm not trying to say, oh I understand John Lennon, 1463 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:22.760 but him and even uh del Ray Lana del Rey, 1464 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.039 I've talked about cellophane skies wow, and he when I 1465 01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:29.079 saw that, I was like after the fact, when I'm 1466 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.479 trying to remember, like yo, like thinking like even how 1467 01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:33.680 weird that vision looked. I'm like, oh, that kind of 1468 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:36.279 looked like I was looking through like you I smoked cellophane, 1469 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.720 you know, like a sepia cellophane tinged, and I'm like 1470 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:41.640 that clicked in my head. I'm like, oh fuck, that 1471 01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:45.119 guy said that in uh whatever, but uh, Cellfhane's skies. 1472 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:48.079 But I start seeing that coming down and again, like 1473 01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.079 movie reels would be a good way, but it doesn't 1474 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:52.000 have like those things on the top that the movie 1475 01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:54.359 reels actually sticking into those little holes. It's just these 1476 01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:58.079 windows that start going really slow and coming down the side. 1477 01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:02.439 Normally except the one time I normally like you see him, 1478 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:04.279 but like you kind of see there's something in there, 1479 01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:06.039 but I wasn't. I was more still focused on the 1480 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:09.119 fucking eclipse, and it's just like, Okay, these windows are 1481 01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:13.800 coming by around that time, I will start feeling like 1482 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:17.039 like a fluttering like in my body, and from like 1483 01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:20.000 the I will start to feel like like at the 1484 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.600 bottom of my toes going like all the way up 1485 01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:25.399 like it will almost start to feel like it's like 1486 01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:28.359 it sounds crazy like disappear. Do you ever see Tron 1487 01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:29.920 when they went into tront and it just starts like, 1488 01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:33.640 oh yeah, literally as if like from the bottom up 1489 01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:36.319 was like like the wind just came by and I 1490 01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:38.600 was sand and it was gone, and like by the 1491 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:40.840 time I get up to my knees, everything below that's gone, 1492 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:43.399 and it just like literally starts to feel like like 1493 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:49.039 I'm just disappearing, or maybe my nerves are the electricity 1494 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:50.840 running through my body isn't there anymore, so I'm not 1495 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:52.760 feeling it, which is what I think more of it. 1496 01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:54.920 I think like you're actual, like you're starting to like 1497 01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:56.800 go up into your spirit. 1498 01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.399 It's like your spirit has not attached your legs anymore. 1499 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.680 I don't think you'll feel it. Yeah, yeah, so I 1500 01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:06.000 do think so, which is probably why some people will 1501 01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:08.479 still feel limbs when they're gone, because maybe the spirit 1502 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:09.920 in the sense is still coming out of there. I 1503 01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:13.159 don't know, Yeah, but hear what you're saying. So eventually 1504 01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:15.760 it will start to come up like into closer to 1505 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:20.399 my body, and everything below again is gone, and it 1506 01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:24.279 starts to like build up into my head. And then 1507 01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:26.039 at one point it's like all of a sudden, it 1508 01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:28.760 feels like if you were like laying on the beach 1509 01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:31.479 and I had like I was laying out there and 1510 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:33.560 the wave crashed and it was like running up the 1511 01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:37.680 sand and the water like somehow the bottom of my 1512 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:41.039 souls will like hollow and the water could just run 1513 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:44.039 through my body like and go through my legs, and 1514 01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:49.840 my whole body literally like felt like water. And then 1515 01:15:49.880 --> 01:15:51.119 all of a sudden, it goes up in the top 1516 01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:53.159 of my head and it was like, you know, it like 1517 01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:55.479 comes I know, it sounds crazy right where they Amaica 1518 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:58.079 goes too. It feels like I'm blasting out the top 1519 01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:00.479 of the back of my head and that's like all right, 1520 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:04.920 oh sorry, So those things start to go away, those 1521 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:07.840 those those windows, and then all of a sudden you 1522 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:11.800 just have the fucking eclipses just they're like just by itself. 1523 01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:15.159 And then all of a sudden, the black sphere starts 1524 01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:19.600 to rise up from the white one. It almost looks 1525 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.199 like Tolt's head dress where it looks like a crescent 1526 01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:25.680 moon in the sun. But I see that when it separates. Actually, 1527 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:27.800 just to be honest, it looks a lot like that. 1528 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:31.600 And as soon as it separates now again, I'm pressing 1529 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:34.720 on my panelion, pushing on a real fucking hard this 1530 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:38.720 whole time. As soon as that separates, it literally feels 1531 01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:42.319 like something snapped and something dam smacks me right back, 1532 01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.880 like literally feels like some sort of polarity change, and 1533 01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.079 me pushing meant me getting popped in the head now. 1534 01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:52.600 And then that's when all of a sudden, everything feels 1535 01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:54.800 like it starts coming out of my body and it's 1536 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:58.680 like literally like my head explodes, and it literally feels 1537 01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:01.760 like that My body bursts into like a million butterflies. 1538 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:07.279 It's like like fluttering, just like going out, and it 1539 01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:10.520 starts to feel like almost like two thousand and one 1540 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:12.720 where it starts to look like that weird like linear. 1541 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:14.880 It almost feels like you start getting pulled out, like 1542 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:18.079 all over the boys, you know, and you're getting stretched out, 1543 01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:20.359 and you start like going like you start to literally 1544 01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.319 almost start. It sounds crazy, and I hate to fucking 1545 01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:25.079 ad minute, but this is why I do think NASA 1546 01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:28.119 is literally just an occult fucking thing. A lot of 1547 01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:30.760 the visions that you start to that I've had after 1548 01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:33.039 this does look like you just be floating and fucking 1549 01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:35.760 what you think of space, but you're a part of it. 1550 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:38.199 You're not in it. You're literally like a part of 1551 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:40.199 the fabric and just like fucking going along with it. 1552 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.800 And you get a lot of that I have like wow, man, 1553 01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:47.279 But it like literally feels like you're contrected into like 1554 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.000 the fabric of whatever you're envisioning or whatever you're a 1555 01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:54.680 part of. And when that happens, it's like, literally you 1556 01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:58.359 feel like something melts off of you. There's not one 1557 01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:02.039 thought of like hate, anger, fear that The only thing 1558 01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:05.279 I can I can equivalate it to is if you 1559 01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:08.520 were to take the idea of love, I mean, for real, 1560 01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:11.840 for real, A million times stronger than the fucking best 1561 01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:15.159 nut you've ever busted. And it's it's way stronger than 1562 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:18.439 any feeling you think you think is love. It is like, 1563 01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:22.439 all of a sudden, the most intense feeling of ultimate love, 1564 01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:25.520 and it's just like you're just there witnessing and being 1565 01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.439 in existence and not questioning anything, and love and thinking 1566 01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:34.520 a goddamn thing. You just feel it. And as soon 1567 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:36.640 as I start thinking about where the fuck I am 1568 01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:40.079 or who the fuck am I, yeah it done. 1569 01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:43.880 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, almost like. 1570 01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:47.520 As I think your self, you're fucking man. That's wild 1571 01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:51.520 because what I think at that point, however people want 1572 01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:53.239 to take it. I do think you're connecting to the all, 1573 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:55.079 and once you start to think about yourself, you're no 1574 01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.239 longer than that anymore. I was separate yourself from the 1575 01:18:58.319 --> 01:18:59.960 source by even thinking of yourself. 1576 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:05.239 Yeah, yeah, you it's almost like you've attached briefly attached 1577 01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:09.840 yourself to the universe and and you're and that's the 1578 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:12.479 feeling of like it's almost like a drug, but it 1579 01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:15.600 seems like it's like better, a better feeling than you 1580 01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:19.479 would get from drugs, almost like it's more pure or 1581 01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:23.840 wholesome or whatever. Clear people abuse it though, too sure. 1582 01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:26.359 I could see that because it sounds like it feels great. 1583 01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:30.399 I thought it was addictive, and I kind of stopped 1584 01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:33.520 because like my last real experience was like before I 1585 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.439 put myself into the hospital, and I was like, ooh, 1586 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:37.159 I'm like I did it three times in a week. 1587 01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:38.079 I was like, oh, this is great. 1588 01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:40.399 Is that when your eyes got all your. 1589 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:42.960 Oh yeah, well they had already started getting like that anyway. 1590 01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.720 But that, like again, like the shit lasted like literally 1591 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:49.279 probably a month and a half to go back to normal. Okay. Yeah, 1592 01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:51.000 Like even when I when I left the hospital, I 1593 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.399 didn't see the eye doctor until two or three weeks later, 1594 01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:56.079 and there was still a difference. It was originally full 1595 01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:58.279 millimeters difference that at that point it was only two 1596 01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:00.439 millimeters difference. But she even was like I could see 1597 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:04.039 the difference. It was crazy too, Swear to god, I 1598 01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:06.520 even I said the lady because I was weirded out, 1599 01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:08.439 and I was just like, yo, I was like, is 1600 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:11.720 there anyway you can actually like, for some reason, I 1601 01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:14.239 had this idea there was something up with your eyes. Again, 1602 01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:16.399 I don't know why. Like that was another thing I 1603 01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:19.760 will even say every time I do this shit. This 1604 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:22.720 is gonna sound silly, some matrix shit, but it's not 1605 01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:24.920 like really knowing kung fu. But when you open up 1606 01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:27.720 your eyes, you're gonna know things you did, and unfortunately 1607 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:29.199 you made know things you didn't want to fucking know, 1608 01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.800 which is another harsh reality you may have to deal with. 1609 01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:34.159 If you fuck with this, you have to even think 1610 01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:36.680 of if you have that whole experience and it's really you, 1611 01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:39.439 how the fuck you even explain what you've believed your 1612 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:41.720 whole life if that you just had that experience. Yeah, yeah, 1613 01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:43.680 everything's been a fucking life. That's real. 1614 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:47.279 Like mushrooms. Like like when I took mushrooms when I 1615 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:49.399 was for the first time, I ever, when I was 1616 01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:52.279 in my twenties early twenties, I took mushrooms for the 1617 01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:55.760 first time, and I had a wild experience and at 1618 01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:59.119 the end of it, not to e quite your experience 1619 01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:01.920 to that, but like the feeling I got afterwards was 1620 01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:05.159 like that. It was like I saw the world differently, 1621 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:09.199 Like like I had a more mature, sort of a 1622 01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:14.359 more open mind to concepts. Somehow I had lost a 1623 01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:17.119 lot of the dogma that I had picked up along 1624 01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:19.520 the way in life. At that point, I'm not telling 1625 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:22.079 people to go take mushrooms. It's don't and don't don't 1626 01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:25.560 because you're not going to have there's no guarantee that 1627 01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:28.159 you're going to have. My experience happened to you. That 1628 01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:31.640 drug does different things to different people, but it was 1629 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.720 a very powerful thing for me because when the when 1630 01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:38.439 the mushrooms kicked in. I was sitting in my buddy's truck, 1631 01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.119 and I was just we were waiting for him to kick in. 1632 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.399 And I and I, you know, I was sitting there 1633 01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:46.399 and I could see myself in the rear view mirror 1634 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:48.600 the passenger side river. So I was just sitting there 1635 01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:51.920 almost like waiting for these mushrooms kick in, sitting there 1636 01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:53.880 just kind of staring at myself in the mirror for 1637 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:56.800 some reason. And all of a sudden, my face turned 1638 01:21:56.840 --> 01:22:04.960 into twenty plus different people like and I said, oh, 1639 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.199 I sat back. I said, oh, and he goes they 1640 01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:10.279 kicked in. I'm like yeah. Then I looked over because 1641 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:12.359 I had the window down. We were just parked in 1642 01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:15.000 the field. I looked over at the tree line and 1643 01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:18.840 I saw the green man that they talk about the 1644 01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:22.039 like the Spirit of the West. Saw four three or 1645 01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:27.680 four green men. The trees became three faces of lizards, 1646 01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:30.760 and it looks just like the green Man from Appalachia. 1647 01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:33.840 And then anyway, but okay, so so it was like 1648 01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:35.359 a so I'd say, I like to say, like it 1649 01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:41.520 was a very very uh uh engaging trip that I had. 1650 01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:46.479 And when I came out of it, though I crashed, 1651 01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:48.520 I had a paranoia at the very end of it, 1652 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:51.079 like it was a it was a wild trip, and 1653 01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:53.960 when I came out of it, I had this feeling 1654 01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:56.840 like I can't go back to who I was before. 1655 01:22:58.479 --> 01:23:02.119 I'm still me, but it's me, it's a different me. 1656 01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:03.840 Yeah, you don't you want to look at the world 1657 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:08.079 the same anymore? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot why 1658 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:10.079 I was going somewhere with all that. I think. I'm sorry, 1659 01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:12.239 I mean, but I think it was literally this What 1660 01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:13.760 I was getting at is that you know, it will 1661 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:14.359 change you. Yeah. 1662 01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:20.520 Well, and I was thinking too, like the sun the 1663 01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.399 eclipse part of this for you. It kind of reminded 1664 01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:26.680 me a little bit of like, uh, there's a scene 1665 01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:30.479 in a sound Garden video where they show something that 1666 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:34.000 looks a lot like your logo actually black yeah, black 1667 01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:34.520 hole Sun. 1668 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.199 You know what's crazy is that ship that they're showing 1669 01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:40.079 on their faces is an actual brain issue that the 1670 01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:43.000 small percentage of people have where everybody's face looks like that. 1671 01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:47.680 Imagine it was morph yeah, imagine imagine you were somebody 1672 01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:50.159 that had to deal with that like that people. 1673 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:51.199 Yeah, that's crazy. 1674 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:53.960 I forgot the dang, but there is actually an issue 1675 01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:54.319 with that. 1676 01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:57.399 My friend told me that if he looks at people 1677 01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:00.520 for too long or you know, more than a couple 1678 01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:03.960 of seconds there, they start turning into cartoon characters looking 1679 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:06.640 like that kind of stuff, like their their mouths get 1680 01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:08.399 a little bigger and their eyes get bigger. He has 1681 01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:12.279 whatever that is, it's gotta suck, man, it's gotta like 1682 01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:16.399 black hole sun. Yeah, man, Like the sky in that 1683 01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:19.920 video kind of reminded me of your story. And you 1684 01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:21.720 know what's crazy is like the first line in that 1685 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:25.880 song I think is in my eyes He's like, in 1686 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:31.520 my eyes indisposed, he says, in my eyes, And he 1687 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:36.920 says indisposed, like indisposed, like like reticent or reluctant or 1688 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:38.920 something like. That is what he's trying to convey. I think. 1689 01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:40.680 But that's interesting. 1690 01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:44.720 I notice that, Yeah, because I have looked at the 1691 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:47.439 lyrics of the song after my experience, I realized that. 1692 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:50.000 Yeah, And like, I mean, I think that's one of 1693 01:24:50.039 --> 01:24:52.840 those songs that he said Cornell, when he's still alive, 1694 01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:55.399 he said, like everybody asked him what is this song about? 1695 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:58.000 You know, like everybody wanted to know what's this about? 1696 01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:00.600 You know, is it about the eclipse or clips and 1697 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:03.039 all this stuff? But he was saying in an interview 1698 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:07.239 that that song was He said he was playing with 1699 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:11.880 words for words sake, almost like a form of divination, 1700 01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:16.079 like he okay, So like like think about it like this, 1701 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:19.760 Like let's say you just you're walking around your house 1702 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:22.119 and you're trying to write a song, and in one 1703 01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:24.960 room you have a TV on. Then the next room 1704 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:28.039 you have a magazine open on the bed, next room 1705 01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:30.479 you have a TV on, another TV on, and then 1706 01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:34.279 on the fourth room you have like a bookshelf and 1707 01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:37.600 you're just walking around in the first room. Whatever they 1708 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:41.239 say on TV, you use the line from that second room. 1709 01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:43.720 You just go and you flip through the magazine and 1710 01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:46.880 whatever your eye catches, you use that as your second line. 1711 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:49.760 Back in the third room or go into the third room, 1712 01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:52.159 whatever they happen to say on TV and that TV 1713 01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:54.399 use that for your third line. And then when you 1714 01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:57.199 get to your bookshelf in the fourth room, you just 1715 01:25:57.239 --> 01:26:00.159 pull a book out, open it up, and whatever your 1716 01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:02.880 catches your eye, that's your Now you've got a Now 1717 01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:07.039 you've got a full verse of music. Right, And like 1718 01:26:07.119 --> 01:26:10.119 this is that's what I think he was saying. Like 1719 01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:12.079 I don't think he did Bowie used to. 1720 01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:14.680 He admits that he would take and you know he 1721 01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:17.479 was he would take old journal entries and cut up 1722 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:19.800 words and lines and stuff, and that. 1723 01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:25.079 William miss Burrows what would do that because Burrows was 1724 01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:30.359 doing that with his his like it was like a 1725 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:34.520 collage art or something that he was doing. But Burrows, 1726 01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:37.760 like Bowie, it sounds like was using it for divination 1727 01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:40.600 because what they were trying to do, they were trying 1728 01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:46.720 to let a message come through. Like you're you're doing 1729 01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:51.760 random chaotic stuff, but but a message, a message comes through. 1730 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:54.319 So if you write a song like that, the song 1731 01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:55.159 rights itself. 1732 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:57.239 Yeah. 1733 01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:00.239 So I always thought about that with like Chris Now 1734 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:02.720 in Black Hole Sun, I'm like when he says he's 1735 01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:07.119 playing words for words sake. You know, Rick Rubin had 1736 01:27:07.159 --> 01:27:10.119 guys do that. Rick Rubin had a system of a 1737 01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:12.319 down do that in one of their songs, It's one 1738 01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.520 of their biggest songs. They were picking up they were 1739 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:18.359 taking books off the shelf and just opening them and 1740 01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:20.760 whatever caught their eye. They were making that the lyric 1741 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.399 of the song. But when you listen to the song, 1742 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.520 it sounds like they're actually they had a topic that 1743 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:29.920 they wanted to write about, but the topic they had 1744 01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:36.720 nothing to do with. The topic topic came to them anyways. 1745 01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:41.720 Like going back to your Yeah, yeah, and I'm sorry 1746 01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:53.039 man like your stories. But because in a weird way 1747 01:27:53.159 --> 01:27:56.399 you're connecting. It's almost like you're you're connecting with something 1748 01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.359 and it's off. It's out of your hands at that point. 1749 01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:03.000 It's like that thing is coming to you and giving 1750 01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:05.640 you the vision or whatever. Maybe I don't know, it's 1751 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:08.279 it's you're not like in charge. Seems like it seems 1752 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:12.520 like it's just happening. Yeah, or what do you think 1753 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:13.000 about that? 1754 01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:16.560 Yeah? Like again, like I said, if you think too much, 1755 01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:17.159 it ends. 1756 01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:19.199 Yeah, that's crazy. 1757 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:22.359 Yeah, that is true, though, I guess I'm not really in. 1758 01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:26.880 Charge because yeah, because the minute you try to start 1759 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:29.640 controlling it or try like if you were, if you're 1760 01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:31.600 in that moment and you're like, oh, I want to 1761 01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:34.199 do this for five more minutes, I want to continue this, 1762 01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:37.079 that would be like you stepping in and saying, oh, 1763 01:28:37.119 --> 01:28:38.640 I want to kind of control this, and then that's 1764 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:39.840 when you lose the signal. 1765 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:44.119 Right, Yeah, I do question too, though, Like the longer 1766 01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:48.479 you you don't question anything, and your father you will 1767 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:49.880 actually go back as well. 1768 01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:54.560 Well, and they say that about remote viewing too, because 1769 01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:57.279 I mean, I went pretty deep into that man looking 1770 01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:59.800 into it, and some of the remote viewers said, the 1771 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:03.199 more or you practice remote viewing, the less potent it 1772 01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:04.359 your results become. 1773 01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:10.000 So that's interesting. 1774 01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:14.119 Yeah, yeah, And that's what Josh Valet was saying too. 1775 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:17.399 Was like whenever he did his first remote viewing session 1776 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:19.560 and he found himself sitting on top of a mountain, 1777 01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:23.079 they pulled him out of it. They pulled him out 1778 01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:25.800 of the session, and he immediately wanted to do it again. 1779 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:27.600 He's like, I want to try another I want to 1780 01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:28.880 try to do that. I want to do I want 1781 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:30.920 to remote view something else now. And they said no, 1782 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:34.439 like you're done for the day, You're done for a while, 1783 01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:36.840 or like we want you to we want you to 1784 01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:40.239 revel in this moment, in this feeling. We don't want 1785 01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:43.279 you to keep doing it over and over again. It's 1786 01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:46.279 almost like it loses its potency or something. I don't know. 1787 01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:56.680 Would you say that you went into well, would you 1788 01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:59.720 say so while you're telling me that story, I'm thinking 1789 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:04.680 about out that movie Gladiator, and like there's a scene, 1790 01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:08.680 you know they've got that quote in that movie it's 1791 01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:11.600 like what we do in life, echoes in eternity. And 1792 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:14.399 then there's they kept they keep showing this scene throughout 1793 01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:17.279 that movie where he's going somewhere else. He's going into 1794 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:20.399 like almost like another neighboring dimension or something. It's like 1795 01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:24.439 a dreamlike it's and it's almost like that Cepia. It's 1796 01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:26.399 not a Sepia, but it's almost like it's a different 1797 01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:29.920 coloration to everything. And he's like he's like walking through 1798 01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:31.520 a wheat field, or he's on a beach and the 1799 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:36.000 sky looks different and he's in some dreamlike astral place 1800 01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:36.560 or something. 1801 01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:41.279 Well, I will say like around the the eclipse, it 1802 01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:46.119 is very much chrome, almost like black and white chromatic 1803 01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:50.279 uh us the wrong word, but whatever, it's very much 1804 01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:53.960 just like black and white, almost like old film. And 1805 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:56.880 then those those visions, those windows is what brings in 1806 01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:00.760 like Sepio, it's almost like a brown Tinge saying. Because again, 1807 01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:03.720 like you're getting this. You know, people will sometimes equivalent 1808 01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:07.359 Saturn to like the black Hole song or the black 1809 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:11.640 Son and brown is a color kabbaalistically in the Harmericabala, 1810 01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:15.199 which didn't make sense to me until I kind of 1811 01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:17.800 you know, now, until that I do wonder if that 1812 01:31:18.039 --> 01:31:20.560 somewhat is an image of Saturdn you know, an idea 1813 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:23.159 of Saturn is in there. That's maybe where the brown 1814 01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:25.840 sepia look is coming from. That it you know, goes 1815 01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:30.119 along with it. But I do get that the brown 1816 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:32.239 and then the sepia things. 1817 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:37.000 If you wanted to today after this podcast was opened, 1818 01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:40.159 do you feel like you could go sit down, meditate 1819 01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:43.880 and reconnect? 1820 01:31:44.279 --> 01:31:49.199 Uh? Right right now? Maybe if I was lucky, I'd 1821 01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:50.680 be totally honest with you, there might be something like 1822 01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:53.720 right now honestly just because of like where my life is. 1823 01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:56.439 Because as crazy as it sounds, me being so attached 1824 01:31:56.479 --> 01:32:00.640 to even the work that I'm doing on podcasts, attachments 1825 01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:04.359 to like reality. You know what I'm saying. I would 1826 01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:07.119 have to probably like really like maybe spend like a 1827 01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:08.920 few days or a week or so maybe to try 1828 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:11.560 to like you don't really be able to pull it off. 1829 01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:13.560 But what I'm getting at is, I do think I 1830 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:16.560 kind if I wanted to. For sure, there's times there 1831 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:19.640 is times I've even said this and it's the weirdest shit. 1832 01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:23.840 Around winter time for me, I could close my eyes 1833 01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:25.680 laying on the couch for a second and I'll see 1834 01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:29.119 that fucking show up before winter, around the winter's holstice. 1835 01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:30.760 I am being totally honest with you. It is much 1836 01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:33.840 easier to bless off. No idea. What I don't have 1837 01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:35.760 has to do with the polarity again, because I do 1838 01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:39.800 think there's something up with even switching polarity with yourself. Yeah, 1839 01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:42.800 I actually I think I think when a person creates 1840 01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:45.760 a magical experience, and it sounds crazy, I think they 1841 01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:51.079 they're their own black hole. Even think that's part of 1842 01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:51.479 like what. 1843 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:55.000 You're seeing, like there's a universe within everyone. 1844 01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:57.119 Yeah, but it's like that's when it's like it's eats 1845 01:32:57.159 --> 01:32:58.840 itself out, you know how they say it explodes and 1846 01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:02.239 then yeah, I think you just you know, you're experiencing 1847 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:03.119 one of those right now. 1848 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:11.239 What if this is what Aquino was doing? Where not 1849 01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:14.560 to not to be like, I don't know, I'm not 1850 01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:17.399 I'm not trying to joke about your experience, but I think. 1851 01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:17.680 That he was. 1852 01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:21.159 He was trying to It seems like he was trying 1853 01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:24.359 to mess around with like an inner black sun or 1854 01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:27.840 something like that. I could be off with that, but 1855 01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:31.520 that's what seemed to be. That's what that that's what 1856 01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:34.319 that symbol I think represents to some people. 1857 01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:39.319 I've even said, like when the thing starts to originally 1858 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:42.079 start to spend, well for for a minute, it does 1859 01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:46.880 look like it's just not as angular. It's more it 1860 01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:48.199 starts to spend, it's not. 1861 01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:52.560 Those are because those lines on the Black Sun, those 1862 01:33:52.600 --> 01:33:56.640 are very rigid lines. They're they're spiraling, but they're rigid, 1863 01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:00.279 so they look like the corners of a swastika. Yeah. 1864 01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:06.560 But uh, man, I'd even wondered, I've wondered if like 1865 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:08.439 what they're trying to do with like you know, certain 1866 01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:11.119 and things like that, if they're actually trying to like 1867 01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:13.800 recreate like what a magical experience would be in one 1868 01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:16.439 person but like multiplayer but like billions m. 1869 01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:19.600 I've thought about that as well. 1870 01:34:22.600 --> 01:34:23.680 Yeah. Uh. 1871 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:27.600 They had one of the things that happened right after 1872 01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:31.199 they turned on the particle Collider a couple of years back, 1873 01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:34.399 was they had a huge speaking of spirals. They had 1874 01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:38.800 a big spiral thing open up in the sky. People 1875 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:40.920 are taking pictures of it look like a like a 1876 01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:44.960 vortex or something, just a just a spiral in the sky. 1877 01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:47.279 And it even looked like a spiral like if you 1878 01:34:47.319 --> 01:34:49.039 were to if you were to say, make me a 1879 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:55.199 spiral emoji, So just make a symbol that depicts a spiral. Right, 1880 01:34:56.079 --> 01:35:00.000 There's something that looked just like that, like a stereotype 1881 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:03.560 typical spiral that showed up in the sky over there. 1882 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:06.760 There's pictures of it out. I'm trying to remember what 1883 01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:09.920 they called it. But but anyway, that popped up in 1884 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:11.800 the sky, right if they've turned on cern one of 1885 01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:16.840 those times. So it's like, what's it doing in that 1886 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.439 regard to to the to the atmosphere, or what's it 1887 01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:22.079 doing to like the collective consciousness as well? 1888 01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:26.039 You actually wonder two of people like have certain like 1889 01:35:26.039 --> 01:35:28.840 I do wonder if UFO sightings, what people think might 1890 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:32.439 be UFO sightings, the side effects of magical experiences as well. 1891 01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:38.159 I think our mind is just like the power that 1892 01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:40.079 we have that we just don't know. It's just a 1893 01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:44.279 lot of untapped power that we have, uh you know, I. 1894 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:46.439 Mean our bodies running electricity. I don't even think most 1895 01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:50.159 people even realize that. Yeah, we get from the sun. 1896 01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:52.840 That's another thing with even where I think occultism gets 1897 01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:55.159 into this, it does get into like, you know, we 1898 01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:57.239 receive life from the sun, which does all have like 1899 01:35:57.640 --> 01:35:59.640 technically a code in there too to listen to what 1900 01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.279 it's saying to say, and it goes into your eyeballs 1901 01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:04.119 and eventually when it makes it to the back your 1902 01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:07.399 optic nerve, which this is when I actually think they're 1903 01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:09.920 showing you in minerval. I'm just gonna throw that out 1904 01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:12.279 there for people listening. I was even standing next to 1905 01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.359 a tent that they don't even acknowledge it the whole 1906 01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:17.199 time you're in there. That looks like an optic nerve, 1907 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.239 and it's one of your twelve cranial nerves, which is 1908 01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:22.880 I think why they pump your fucking thumb twelve times 1909 01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:25.720 and they tell you the name is on. I think 1910 01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:27.600 they're actually showing you the back part of your eye, 1911 01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:31.000 your optic nerve, where it takes sunlight and transfers it 1912 01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:36.600 into turns it into electricity, and that goes back into 1913 01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:38.960 your brain and that powers your whole body. 1914 01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:41.960 I can totally say that, man, something like that's happening 1915 01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:45.920 when you ground, Like in the summertime, I'm blessed. I've 1916 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:49.479 got a backyard that's kind of private. So in the 1917 01:36:49.479 --> 01:36:52.000 summertime I'll go out there in the backyard and like 1918 01:36:52.199 --> 01:36:54.479 sometimes I'll sit out in the sun and just put 1919 01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:57.520 my you know, barefoot in the in the grass. And 1920 01:36:58.439 --> 01:37:01.720 the more sun I get, the more are charged up 1921 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:03.439 I am for the rest of the day like it's 1922 01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:09.319 electric to something happening with electric electricity. From that, I'm 1923 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:13.760 gleaning it from the sun though for sure, like I'm 1924 01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:17.239 buzzing on a higher vibration. Nick after I set out 1925 01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:17.680 in the sun. 1926 01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:19.720 Oh, it's great for you that you know, all right, 1927 01:37:19.800 --> 01:37:21.560 this is another thing. And I didn't mention this, and 1928 01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:23.239 I was gonna bring it up and forgot and then 1929 01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:26.680 uh leab Aresh. That's a book by Croley. It's for 1930 01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:30.319 the Resh, and that's like a prayer that you do 1931 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:32.079 four times a day and you face the sun. You're 1932 01:37:32.119 --> 01:37:34.800 supposed to actually go outside and do like whatever thing 1933 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:38.880 it is and face the sun. I actually think if 1934 01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:41.159 you were to stare at the sun at those different 1935 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:44.199 times of the day, you would actually prime your pineal 1936 01:37:44.279 --> 01:37:48.920 gland to be like optimal. Even in one of Croley's rituals, 1937 01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:56.640 he does when you do the isis at one point 1938 01:37:56.640 --> 01:37:58.520 you're acting like your isis holding a baby and you 1939 01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:01.079 will this is Croley's ritual is where you start doing 1940 01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:06.439 specific like poses you'll grab your nipple. Believe it or that. 1941 01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:10.840 When a woman has a child and that child goes 1942 01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:14.520 to put its mouth on that nipple, that child will 1943 01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:17.439 actually share a relationship with the mother's pineal gland. The 1944 01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:20.039 pineal gland will tell her through the fucking milk. We'll 1945 01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:22.159 start telling you when the seasons are, where it is 1946 01:38:22.159 --> 01:38:24.640 in longitude and maltitude in this world? How are you 1947 01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:28.840 gonna sleep? I do think that's crazy. Motherfucker's actually pointing 1948 01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:33.039 at that. Shit. Wow, there's actually you know, but you 1949 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:37.079 this this stem cells. He's even being you know, you're 1950 01:38:37.119 --> 01:38:39.720 transferred with the baby baby inside the body to like 1951 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:41.600 if you start looking at certain ship, you're like, this 1952 01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:43.239 is so fucking a cult. If you're still looking at 1953 01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:43.800 it all the ways. 1954 01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:46.039 Yeah, yeah, But believe it or that. 1955 01:38:46.199 --> 01:38:49.359 Because I was born first, my brother has my stem 1956 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:51.520 cells in his body because my mom had it with me, 1957 01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:53.800 because I gave her some of mine, because it's a 1958 01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:56.840 symbiotic relationship. Don't die, bitch, because I want to live, 1959 01:38:57.239 --> 01:38:59.439 so I'm gonna fucking give her shit she needs. Why 1960 01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:01.479 I'm taking from what the funk? I want to live 1961 01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:05.119 in a side or crazy? Man, It's actually very like 1962 01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:06.600 parasitic relationship. 1963 01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:13.279 Yes, yeah, I mean there's there's the occult scaffolding behind everything. 1964 01:39:14.359 --> 01:39:19.239 Yeah, but like there is a I do Yeah. Do 1965 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:20.960 you think it goes back to a lot of physiology 1966 01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:24.720 and stuff especially you will feel like certain things inside 1967 01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:27.039 your eyeballs start to reflect into your brain and down 1968 01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:30.680 into the uh, the rest of your body, even parts 1969 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:33.039 of your brain. You'll see almost the exact same thing 1970 01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:37.279 flipped upside down, like for the Filippian tubes. It's like 1971 01:39:37.359 --> 01:39:40.600 has above so below. What the fuck it's like flipped 1972 01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:43.439 You know, it's fucking weird, and you start to almost 1973 01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:45.399 see like a cult symbols, especially if you're sat looking 1974 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.079 at the brain, certain parts of the brain, you start 1975 01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:51.560 seeing things. Hr Geiger, who did uh the the stuff 1976 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:54.560 for aliens. He was into thala mixed stuff and he 1977 01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:56.479 was very big into the eyes and the brain. And 1978 01:39:56.600 --> 01:39:58.760 you know some of his alien things is supposedly based 1979 01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:01.119 off of parts of your brain. That's why there's different 1980 01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:03.520 stages because there's different parts of the brain. Yeah. 1981 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:06.840 No, with with Geiger, do you do you think that 1982 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:10.399 he was meditating and maybe coming seeing some of that stuff. 1983 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:12.359 Oh, I think he was a real deal. Yeah, I 1984 01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:15.159 think definitely magical experiences. I think he understood there was 1985 01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:17.359 like a change going on. I mean, if you, if 1986 01:40:17.399 --> 01:40:19.520 you really think about it, your brain in your eyes, 1987 01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:22.680 what determines your whole reality in the sense anyway, if 1988 01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:25.920 you're in occultist year, eventually I would hope you study studying. 1989 01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:30.479 Yeah sure, yeah, yeah, naturally that's the natural there's a 1990 01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:31.520 natural connection there. 1991 01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:36.479 And really, I mean physiology probably don't even realize that 1992 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:39.319 your eyes are just an extension of your brain. It's 1993 01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:39.960 all connected. 1994 01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:44.720 I had a guy on recently. He told me to 1995 01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:47.319 check out this guy named Joe Roup. So I went 1996 01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:48.159 and listened to him. 1997 01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:48.680 On a podcast. 1998 01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:52.960 You have heard that name, Yeah, he's It was really interesting. 1999 01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:55.159 The show that I listened to, he was talking about 2000 01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:59.479 how he he meditates and he goes places like he's uh, 2001 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:03.880 I think he called it the astro realm. But he 2002 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:07.479 seems like he's able to do it on a daily basis, 2003 01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:10.560 Like he'll he'll meditate, Oh, he got to a practice 2004 01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:13.960 of doing it, and uh, he calls where he goes 2005 01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:18.000 is the astro realm. But he's having these almost sometimes 2006 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:20.600 he'll have these out of body experiences where he'll he'll 2007 01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.199 he'll like be up above his house and he'll see 2008 01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:25.640 himself meditating and he'll see like his kid in the 2009 01:41:25.720 --> 01:41:30.000 other room playing with the toy and stuff, you know, 2010 01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:33.000 or he'll see, you know, the kid doing something, and 2011 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:36.600 when he comes out of out of his meditation, he'll 2012 01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:38.039 go in and look in the other room and the 2013 01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:40.840 kid will be doing you know what he saw the 2014 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:43.680 kid doing above the house where he was out of 2015 01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:50.720 his body kind of stuff. Yeah, he's he's So that's 2016 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:55.960 I don't know, man, I wondering how that. Mm hmm. 2017 01:41:56.439 --> 01:42:00.920 People get surgeries and they see themselves worked on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2018 01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:02.800 Like that's even another thing. You think what anesthesi is 2019 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:05.000 doing to you. They kind of like putting you halfway 2020 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:05.800 out there and halfway here. 2021 01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:06.520 Mm hmm. 2022 01:42:07.319 --> 01:42:08.920 Just where the fuck are you going it? You ain't 2023 01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:10.520 feeling nothing like that? Oh yeah. 2024 01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:13.399 People have that those near death experiences. I think we 2025 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:15.600 talked about this early on in the show today, Like 2026 01:42:16.239 --> 01:42:19.119 the near death experience. A lot of times those people 2027 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:21.680 are they they see them so they're looking down at 2028 01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:24.239 themselves on the table or in the back of an 2029 01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:25.159 ambulance or whatever. 2030 01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:28.760 Yep, yep. When the guy was on the side of 2031 01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:30.880 the road. I think like whatever car accident or something, 2032 01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:32.640 it's like seeing his body the like it was like 2033 01:42:32.720 --> 01:42:34.000 looking down and seeing the whole scene. 2034 01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:37.600 And I've heard stories from guys who who saw combat 2035 01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:41.159 action and they when they were in like a high 2036 01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:45.079 stress scenario. Some of those guys talked about having an 2037 01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:47.760 outer body experience in combat. 2038 01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:51.560 I think my opinion, and I think this is why 2039 01:42:51.640 --> 01:42:54.159 they understand like parts of MK ultra, I think they 2040 01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:56.640 understand this just my opinion. I think if you put 2041 01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:58.279 enough stress on the body, the soul will try to 2042 01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:00.199 just escape anyway. Anything. It will say fuck you, I'm 2043 01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:03.000 out and checking out. This is too much. I ain't 2044 01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.319 down for this. Yeah, you understand that. That's how they 2045 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:07.119 sulf fracturing your mind. And that's where they do like 2046 01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:10.840 sick ship to people because it's just putting them to 2047 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:14.680 the brink of separating themselves to not experience the situation anymore. 2048 01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:17.239 Yeah, like some Sydney Gottlieb stuff. 2049 01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:20.119 Yeah, that's what I mean. There's even some people that 2050 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:22.359 uh the D I D people that have looked at it. 2051 01:43:22.359 --> 01:43:23.920 I think we even covered a long time of like 2052 01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:26.560 originally in the cult rejects. Sometimes you'll even see in 2053 01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:29.720 their art they're always depicting like a shadow version of themselves. 2054 01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:32.840 It's like, you know, is that like your your soul 2055 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:35.359 separating as you're getting traumatized. 2056 01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:40.399 Yeah, the mk ulture rabbit holes, it goes deep, man, 2057 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:42.840 But yeah, you're right. It seems like people in the 2058 01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:46.520 government have figured out how to manipulate this. 2059 01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:49.560 Yeah. I think so, I do too. 2060 01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:56.119 I do too, man, I mean I had Ryder Leon. Yeah, 2061 01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:58.600 I know, man, He's like, yeah, shout out to Rider. 2062 01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:03.439 Good podcast to his podcast is awesome. But no, he was. 2063 01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:05.560 You know, I was talking to him because I watched 2064 01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:08.439 the video he did, or the the documentary he did 2065 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:13.760 recently with Jay Wiener, the Clockwork Shining documentary, and they 2066 01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:17.000 show a scene in there where Britney Spears is in 2067 01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:23.600 an interview with Diane Sawyer maybe one of these you know, 2068 01:44:23.760 --> 01:44:28.319 big time, big name reporters, and she says something to 2069 01:44:28.359 --> 01:44:33.239 Britney Spears and it's a it's obviously it's a trigger word. 2070 01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:38.319 And as soon as she says the word, Britney's everything changes. 2071 01:44:38.760 --> 01:44:45.359 She she steps into another personality. It's so clear, and 2072 01:44:45.439 --> 01:44:49.960 it's like a childlike personality that she steps into and 2073 01:44:50.039 --> 01:44:52.960 it's very weird because it's like, how did Diane sawyer 2074 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:55.680 Because the word she used was not a word you 2075 01:44:55.720 --> 01:44:59.680 would just normally throw in a conversation, right she she said, 2076 01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:02.600 it's all almost like she said the word on purpose 2077 01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:07.960 to get Brittany to to to turn into somebody else. 2078 01:45:09.399 --> 01:45:14.199 It's so creepy. But it's like, first of all, it's 2079 01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:17.439 like how does she who clued her in to that? 2080 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:18.039 It's like. 2081 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:22.479 To who, Like how did she find out the operating 2082 01:45:22.560 --> 01:45:25.680 word to use on Britney Spears? And why is Britney 2083 01:45:25.720 --> 01:45:33.760 Spears being mind controlled in the first place? Fractured, I 2084 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:35.520 think we're going to just you know, I think that 2085 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.960 we're going to just continue to figure out stuff. When 2086 01:45:37.960 --> 01:45:40.079 it comes to MK ultrue, I think it's like way 2087 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:46.039 more widespread than than we we realize because they've had. 2088 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.520 Really some affluent family that's into this ship and you 2089 01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:51.920 want to push it onto your kids and make them experience, Yeah, 2090 01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:56.319 people doing it, And. 2091 01:45:56.439 --> 01:45:58.760 Man, I mean, how how how deep is it with 2092 01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:00.399 the music industry, and. 2093 01:46:00.560 --> 01:46:04.399 Like, I just you not even having a chance or 2094 01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:07.199 a choice. I mean, I know, man, it's like. 2095 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:11.119 That's crazy. But I mean, I mean, like we can 2096 01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:13.239 we can start to wrap it up with this, but 2097 01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:20.600 like the occult, since you're since you were in officially 2098 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:23.000 in the OTO for six years, and like you're well 2099 01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:25.159 studied on this stuff and you're well versed, and I 2100 01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:27.439 appreciate you coming on and telling me this stuff. Man, 2101 01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:30.680 I really do when when you and I know, I 2102 01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:33.239 think I've heard you tell me you play guitar. I 2103 01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:37.439 think we talked about that. When you look at like 2104 01:46:37.560 --> 01:46:41.600 certain musicians, certain big bands, do you who do you 2105 01:46:41.680 --> 01:46:44.359 think really was into this stuff? Who do you think 2106 01:46:44.479 --> 01:46:49.760 really practice magic? Like Beatles, Zeppelin? Who really don't? 2107 01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:52.640 Oh, I do? I definitely think. Uh, I think at 2108 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:56.359 least John Lennon the Beatles, I think Zeppelin. I'm gonna 2109 01:46:56.359 --> 01:46:59.159 be totally honest with you, believe it or not. I 2110 01:46:59.279 --> 01:47:01.520 think when it comes to like those seventies bands or 2111 01:47:01.560 --> 01:47:04.439 those rock bands, I think for the most part, a 2112 01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:07.920 lot of them actually understood because you'll start seeing like 2113 01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:10.800 even but it this way, you saw, like actually paying 2114 01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:14.000 attention to eclip symbolism. You start seeing that shit over 2115 01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:17.119 a lot of rock and heavy metal bands. But I 2116 01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:18.720 do actually believe a lot of them, A lot of 2117 01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:21.079 them do. But I, in my opinion, I think the 2118 01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:24.439 magical experiences is what helps make the artists who they are. 2119 01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:28.560 Because again, now I'm saying that it's neo, but I 2120 01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:32.399 think you will be able to learn better and become 2121 01:47:32.439 --> 01:47:34.239 better at what you do if you're fuck with magic. 2122 01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:38.560 But no, no, uh, I'm not trying to think of 2123 01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:41.520 like maybe specifics. I do think Ozzie actually definitely knows, 2124 01:47:41.640 --> 01:47:43.760 you know what I'm saying, Like people like him. I 2125 01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:46.479 think Metallica, believe it or not, Mega Death for sure, 2126 01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:51.279 Slayer for sure, Slayer, fuck you for sure. Uh yeah, 2127 01:47:51.399 --> 01:47:53.119 a lot of them, the metal bands from back in 2128 01:47:53.159 --> 01:47:55.760 the day, back then, I think they were definitely if 2129 01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:57.119 you were to go listen to a lot of this 2130 01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:00.359 shit then now they're not saying much. And then a 2131 01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:03.239 lot of conspiracy dudes we're telling us too. Yeah, some 2132 01:48:03.359 --> 01:48:05.399 fucking vaccinations are gonna fuck humanity. 2133 01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:10.119 Yeah, I mean I've always been I've always heard too 2134 01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:13.600 that Slayer was I've heard from Slayer fans that there's 2135 01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:16.479 I don't know, there's something. I don't know if it's 2136 01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:19.039 something they talked about in their lyrics or whatnot, but 2137 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:20.399 I've always heard. 2138 01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:23.159 They say I definitely think they've experienced what I have. 2139 01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:26.840 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, man. And you know, I saw an 2140 01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:30.319 article the other day about for Shani from the Chili Peppers. 2141 01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:34.159 That guitarist he said he got deep into the occult 2142 01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:37.039 for a little bit. He said he quit the band 2143 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:37.439 over it. 2144 01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:39.680 Who are you saying that again? Which one again? 2145 01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:42.520 Uh? The guitar player for the Red Hot Chili Peppers 2146 01:48:43.159 --> 01:48:44.279 John for Shanti. 2147 01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:48.920 Yeah, I think they are. I know a lot of 2148 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:52.319 people listen. I will give Crowley credit. Like, I'm sure 2149 01:48:52.359 --> 01:48:54.600 a lot of people out there Arthelomites are into his 2150 01:48:54.760 --> 01:48:57.199 idea of magic that are in like music and movies. 2151 01:48:57.960 --> 01:49:00.000 I'm not sure if it's everybody, but like I have people, 2152 01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:03.479 I have heard people somewhat suggest that their album Blood Sugar, 2153 01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:08.680 Sex Magic was you know very much. Yeah there all right. 2154 01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:10.880 Another thing with the Beatles. Now again this isn't a 2155 01:49:11.039 --> 01:49:15.720 ritual that Crowley wrote, but the Beatles' Help album, all 2156 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.359 those symbols that they're doing is actually stuff that you'll 2157 01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:21.920 use in rituals. This is the sign of Osyrius slain. 2158 01:49:23.640 --> 01:49:24.920 At one point, you will make the sign of a 2159 01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:27.279 swastika for the sign of the morning of isis. If 2160 01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:29.640 you don't want to make the swastika, you go like this, 2161 01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:33.439 you make an L shape, somebody's doing that. The Sign 2162 01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:37.640 of Earth is almost basically doing the hitless sign, fucking 2163 01:49:37.840 --> 01:49:41.399 Ringos doing that. And who else did I leave out? 2164 01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:42.199 I don't know. 2165 01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:45.319 All of those are actual either part of the LVX 2166 01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:49.720 formula or the elemental sign of Earth. It's like, look 2167 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:51.640 when I saw that ship after I saw the practice, 2168 01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:54.239 and I was like, oh, that's the fucking I do 2169 01:49:54.399 --> 01:50:00.640 that the fuck right there. On the Beatles Help album, well. 2170 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:02.680 They seem like they were they were studying. It seems 2171 01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:07.239 like there was almost like a a a little I 2172 01:50:07.239 --> 01:50:09.319 don't know if I should call it a movement or 2173 01:50:09.439 --> 01:50:12.479 like it seemed like a lot of people from the 2174 01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:15.279 seventies and maybe even the sixties there was like an 2175 01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:17.920 inclination for some of them to get into the occult. 2176 01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.840 Like Bowie right, oh yeah, Bowie was big. He was big, 2177 01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:23.399 kind of open with being into the Golden Down. Yeah, 2178 01:50:24.119 --> 01:50:26.880 then like the Golden I think so, and then again 2179 01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.319 like see again, like there's rituals that I'm explaining. The 2180 01:50:29.399 --> 01:50:32.880 Golden Dorn were kind of they say they originated with them. 2181 01:50:32.920 --> 01:50:36.039 I don't think maybe, but those are Golden Doorn rituals 2182 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:40.960 that Crowley eventually incorporated into the Limix stuff. Star Ruby 2183 01:50:41.079 --> 01:50:42.960 is his, but like the pentagram of the Hexagram rituals 2184 01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:45.239 not his. They came from the Golden dooring technically, mm hmm. 2185 01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:48.439 I would think, and I do think was Bowie was 2186 01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:49.079 into that ship. 2187 01:50:49.319 --> 01:50:52.720 Yeah, yeah, I think too. Like I've heard Danny Carey, 2188 01:50:52.880 --> 01:50:55.680 drummer for tool is A is in the Lima. 2189 01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:59.560 He has uh. He will have magical sweats on his uh, 2190 01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:02.000 on his drums and he'll I don't know if he's 2191 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:04.920 specifically trying to hit certain areas on the magical squazes. 2192 01:51:04.920 --> 01:51:07.399 It's not something out, but he does put squaze on 2193 01:51:07.479 --> 01:51:09.960 his fucking uh. He does put a cult symbols on 2194 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:10.680 his fucking drums. 2195 01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:13.760 Well, his drums sound. Some of his drum parts sounds 2196 01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:17.680 completely otherworldly, especially on that last album they put out, 2197 01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:22.640 Uh Fear and Oculum. Oh yeah, some of the drum 2198 01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:24.680 parts on air Man, it doesn't even sound like it's 2199 01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:27.159 a drum, like he's doing crazy stuff. It sounds like 2200 01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:29.720 some new instrument, some like something he invented. 2201 01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:31.760 Let go check that album out again today. 2202 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:32.359 Oh it's good. 2203 01:51:32.720 --> 01:51:35.159 So I have only listened to like a few parts 2204 01:51:35.199 --> 01:51:36.600 of a few songs and that was it. 2205 01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:40.479 Oh yeah, listen to hisloaded with the Cult stuff. Oh 2206 01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:43.119 probably I should look at it again for that reason too. 2207 01:51:43.239 --> 01:51:45.840 But I mean, like, listen to his drum parts. Man, 2208 01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:50.079 they are wild. Like it's not it's he's doing something 2209 01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:54.600 new and something primitive at the same time. It's crazy. 2210 01:51:54.760 --> 01:52:00.600 It's like tribal, almost shamanic. Oh yeah, okay, yeah yeah, 2211 01:52:01.119 --> 01:52:03.840 but listen, man, this has been great. I appreciate you 2212 01:52:03.960 --> 01:52:05.960 coming on. Man, it's been a really good conversation. 2213 01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:10.279 Yeah. Yeah, me too. Actually great questions to I appreciate 2214 01:52:10.319 --> 01:52:11.800 it thinking, okay, yeah, cool. 2215 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.560 Well it's great information, man. It helps like when the 2216 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:22.039 when the information coming from from the guests corner is good, 2217 01:52:22.359 --> 01:52:24.039 the questions are good, you know what I mean, Like 2218 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:27.279 I'm feeding off of I'm feeding off of that. But anyway, 2219 01:52:27.720 --> 01:52:30.159 uh yeah, thanks for coming on. Tell everybody where they 2220 01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:30.600 could find you. 2221 01:52:31.079 --> 01:52:34.000 Yes, The Occult Rejects that is on Bitch, Shoot, Rumble 2222 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:38.680 and YouTube and all major podcasts. If you haven't heard 2223 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:41.680 the show, it is, you know, basically focuses on the occult. 2224 01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:44.920 We will touch on true crime sometimes if it includes 2225 01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:48.359 the occult, sometimes paranormal, but we do try to kind 2226 01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:51.279 of like focus more on occult ideas and topics. And 2227 01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:53.960 there's probably about a total of twelve of us. We 2228 01:52:54.079 --> 01:52:56.119 don't all show up on the show at the same time. 2229 01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:59.159 We normally revolve around like anywhere from three to five 2230 01:52:59.279 --> 01:53:01.439 or six people at a time, so you know, we 2231 01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:03.840 have different people on for different topics. It's a pretty 2232 01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:06.359 interesting type of podcast, so check it out. Stefan. 2233 01:53:07.960 --> 01:53:10.359 Yeah, and I mean I've heard some of the rejects, 2234 01:53:10.399 --> 01:53:13.439 if not all of them. There's it's a group of 2235 01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:16.479 people who have a lot of knowledge, a lot of insight, 2236 01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:20.319 and it's always you know, if you want to really 2237 01:53:20.359 --> 01:53:24.039 get in deep to into whatever topic it might be, 2238 01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:28.600 you know your group of rejects, man that you've compiled 2239 01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:31.960 a nice community of people who have like great insights. 2240 01:53:32.039 --> 01:53:37.279 So and I'll leave it at that as always break 2241 01:53:37.359 --> 01:53:40.640 the mold, conquer the realm, and thanks for listening.