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Speaker 2: What is up? Friendos will welcome into the end This
Speaker 2: League Fantasy Baseball Podcast. It is our primer series today.
Speaker 2: It is the Corner Infield, the hot Corner third Base.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be taking a look at all of the
Speaker 2: third basemen, even some guys that are gonna like change
Speaker 2: some position eligibility or fun in there. The total arc
Speaker 2: of the position is an interesting conversation because I think
Speaker 2: you're likely to compare it to first base. And as
Speaker 2: I had explained to Bogman and I wrote hat tip
Speaker 2: to the Fantasy Black Book, I did write the first
Speaker 2: and the third base profiles, as well as doing a
Speaker 2: handful of rookie stuff. You want to go check it out.
Speaker 2: You can find it today over on Amazon and probably
Speaker 2: other places. I'm not really sure where Joe All puts it,
Speaker 2: but the Fantasy Black Book is available now and I
Speaker 2: am in it. But as I also had to write
Speaker 2: a little paragraph before, the profile is about just an
Speaker 2: overview of the position. First base feels very top heavy,
Speaker 2: and then it comes down pretty steeply, and then it
Speaker 2: has some depth and then it falls off. Third base
Speaker 2: is very middle heavy, where I think it is the
Speaker 2: clearcut top guy is so above the others, and then
Speaker 2: there is a line of probably twelve guys that it's
Speaker 2: like you can argue the varying degrees of them. But
Speaker 2: this position is meteor in the middle. But then it
Speaker 2: kind of has a similar drop off at first base,
Speaker 2: So where I think you need to maybe be a
Speaker 2: little more cognizant of first base early third base, I
Speaker 2: think you can get away with it assuming you like
Speaker 2: some of the guys. We're going to talk about some
Speaker 2: breakout candidates, maybe some underperformers and stuff like that. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty fascinated with third base and I really don't have
Speaker 2: any issue with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that I have some much issue
Speaker 3: with it. I know the guys that I like and
Speaker 3: I don't like, but I do see at third base
Speaker 3: just a lot of things too dislike about these third basemens.
Speaker 3: So we'll get into it a little deeper. But I
Speaker 3: think trust ability maybe is not as high as it
Speaker 3: is at third as as it is at first, But
Speaker 3: the position overall is probably like you said, a little
Speaker 3: bit better in the middle, a little meteor And like
Speaker 3: you said, it is not top heavy like first base,
Speaker 3: because there's one top.
Speaker 2: And hopefully the whole process of the primer series we're
Speaker 2: doing outside of ranks, of course, is just your understanding
Speaker 2: across the positional stuff, because we can individually look at
Speaker 2: a position and be like, oh, you know, this is deep,
Speaker 2: this is not, this is but then it just becomes
Speaker 2: that comes down to like draft strategy and who provides
Speaker 2: you what, and that's something like That's where I think
Speaker 2: third pase shines a little bit more. Wherein that like
Speaker 2: you have to make a certain type of commitment to
Speaker 2: be involved early on first base, I don't think you
Speaker 2: have to do that base third base allows you to
Speaker 2: do some other stuff. So understanding each positional thing obviously
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Speaker 4: My friends.
Speaker 2: We are going to talk about third base, but let
Speaker 2: obviously talk about the big thing we're recording this winter
Speaker 2: meetings are going on. We're gonna have a bunch of
Speaker 2: other crazy stuff. To be honest with you, I know
Speaker 2: we're gonna record this, and there's gonna be a couple
Speaker 2: other massive things that are gonna happen, but we'll just
Speaker 2: solely for a second half the Sodo Conversation. Wan Soto
Speaker 2: signs record breaking deal with the New York Mets, spurns
Speaker 2: the Yankees. I am eating up all of these stories
Speaker 2: of like the mean security guard. They didn't give him
Speaker 2: a suite and that made him not decide. I love
Speaker 2: those things. Those are my favorite things on the planet.
Speaker 2: I've did a video breakdown with Joey, who's a Mets fan,
Speaker 2: a twenty minute video on YouTube if you want.
Speaker 4: To see that. He was disgustingly happy. It was gross.
Speaker 2: It was so gross it We were supposed to do
Speaker 2: ten minutes and it was like fifteen minutes of him talking.
Speaker 2: I think I talked the first five minutes, to be honest.
Speaker 2: He just kept going on and on and.
Speaker 1: On and on.
Speaker 2: But it's an interesting spot, you know, like not to
Speaker 2: belabor the whole thing, Like what what do you break
Speaker 2: down with Juan Soto? He's incredible. The metrics when you
Speaker 2: do the full breakdown, they speak for itself. You know,
Speaker 2: high average, incredible, hard to hit. He he walks, he
Speaker 2: doesn't strike out like.
Speaker 4: He doesn't according to his expected stats he was low.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's gonna perform at an incredibly high level.
Speaker 2: Then he's gonna go in this year and you're most
Speaker 2: likely going to see him hitting two right behind Francisco Lidoor.
Speaker 2: Everything is great, it helps the lineup. I will say
Speaker 2: my two big points I'll throw out just real quick
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 4: One.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting to pay attention to the
Speaker 2: ballpark factor. I loosely say it, like like even Bubba
Speaker 2: got on my case about the Willia Domas stuff because
Speaker 2: I pointed out there's some pretty big like split issues
Speaker 2: with Willia Domas. Not to say that he's gonna not
Speaker 2: be good and worth it and stuff like that, but like, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe he's not gonna have another rear high homers with
Speaker 2: this bad ballpark.
Speaker 4: It is. It is of note with New York.
Speaker 2: After one Soto just hit was a second or career
Speaker 2: high forty one home runs and stuff like that. You're
Speaker 2: going to a ballpark that overall left handers has almost
Speaker 2: the exact same as the New York Yankees. But from
Speaker 2: a home run perspective, Yankees have the third highest home
Speaker 2: run ballpark factor to the left handed hitters, the Mets
Speaker 2: sixth lowest in baseball. So it's pretty down there as
Speaker 2: far as the home run expectancy. I don't think that
Speaker 2: changes a lot. Maybe some homers turned into doubles. He's incredible,
Speaker 2: but maybe the top comes off a little bit. But
Speaker 2: you know, you're expect And they also don't run more
Speaker 2: that they have a higher completion percentage of stolen bases,
Speaker 2: but they just don't run a whole bunch bunch more so,
Speaker 2: like that's going to be some big uptick.
Speaker 4: So it's not the throw a success rate mister football here, Yeah,
Speaker 4: success or whatever.
Speaker 2: So that's my I'll just stop there for a second,
Speaker 2: give you my either take in a second again. I
Speaker 2: just lightly put it out there as something to understand
Speaker 2: about the ballpark. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: like he will create better left handed ballpark factors because
Speaker 2: of who he is in general, gets the ball in
Speaker 2: the air, hits it hard. It's nothing to take away
Speaker 2: from I expect him to be a high three hundred
Speaker 2: thirty thirty five homer guy. One hundred hundred. I expect
Speaker 2: him to be a first runner. I have nothing against that.
Speaker 2: But it's not like he went in.
Speaker 4: With the Rockies or the right Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, ballpark factors you have to take consider, lineup
Speaker 3: factors you have to consider, the pressure of living up
Speaker 3: to the biggest contract in sports history is something that
Speaker 3: you would have to consider as well. Not that it's
Speaker 3: you know, calculable for your drafting or anything, but these
Speaker 3: are all factors in this that that add up. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're right. I think for the
Speaker 3: most part, what does that change? Maybe three homers, they doubles.
Speaker 3: That's why, like the bottom line.
Speaker 2: I hate saying it because if you say anything about that,
Speaker 2: be like, oh you do know, no, Like like if
Speaker 2: I say a ten percent reduction in Adamis's power fifteen,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean he's not good or he could beat expectations.
Speaker 2: It's just something to note. Same thing would happen with
Speaker 2: the Mets, just pointing out there's a little less wiggle room.
Speaker 2: And but like he's got great things in front of you.
Speaker 2: Got I love Lindor hitting in front of him. I
Speaker 2: think that if that's going to continue, I think that's
Speaker 2: a great spot. Now this comes to my second portion.
Speaker 2: There are two beneficiaries. I say this in the video
Speaker 2: Mark Vientos, who are going to talk about today, This
Speaker 2: is phenomenal for him. If if he hits three Harbi
Speaker 2: opportunities through the wazoo, you're gonna have teams not wanting
Speaker 2: to pitch to him, to Soto to get to Vento's.
Speaker 2: Vento's put up insane hard hit numbers. His problem is
Speaker 2: he's got to become a little bit more than just
Speaker 2: the fastball hitter, and he's got to cut the strikeouts down.
Speaker 2: Or they could go and resign Alonso or Walker, Christian
Speaker 2: Walker like that. They could hit three and Vento's as four,
Speaker 2: it's still phenomenal. So a young guy like Vientos, where
Speaker 2: his value is sitting kind of seems like a sneaky spot.
Speaker 2: And also I would throw out there's a slight opportunity
Speaker 2: that maybe they hit Soto three and then they put
Speaker 2: like a I don't throw like a Jeff McNeal or
Speaker 2: something like that at two, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden that person would benefit. The other one is the
Speaker 2: loss of Soto to New York all but as sures
Speaker 2: maybe it was always there. People would argue with me
Speaker 2: about that that's fine but at all but as sure
Speaker 2: as there's one less roadblock for Jason Dimingez to be
Speaker 2: starting for the full year. And I think Jason Dimingez
Speaker 2: is a really good value right now. I think Vientos
Speaker 2: is a good value. My early ranks compared to NFBC bogs,
Speaker 2: I'm like thirty spots higher. And I know this is
Speaker 2: not a rank show, but I'm like thirty spots higher
Speaker 2: than Vento's. With Vents then in like NFBC, and I
Speaker 2: will be the same with Jason Dimingo. So I think
Speaker 2: those were two just out right off the gate beneficiaries
Speaker 2: to the Wan Soto thing, one on his team and
Speaker 2: one place that he left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and these this is the wake of the first
Speaker 3: really huge piece, uh to move. I mean, Blake Snell,
Speaker 3: Willie domis also signing. But now the dominoes, like you said,
Speaker 3: the dominoes are gonna start to fall. We're gonna get
Speaker 3: the winter meetings, trades are gonna start happening too. We're
Speaker 3: gonna see a lot of stuff open up and change.
Speaker 3: And uh, I can tell you this after spending seven
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five million dollars. The Mets are definitely
Speaker 3: not done. They're gonna be adding more. So we'll see
Speaker 3: if Alonzo comes back or not. Uh, there's gonna be
Speaker 3: a lot of moving and shaking here still, so lots
Speaker 3: to go through still.
Speaker 4: In the offseason.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, Juan Soto the big the biggest domino
Speaker 3: to fall, the biggest contract in UH sports history. Kind
Speaker 3: of crazy, but it makes sense. I was surprised that
Speaker 3: he got more money than Otani, but he also got
Speaker 3: fifteen years, which is.
Speaker 2: His younger fifteen years. There's lots of elements too. I
Speaker 2: think the whole thing is fat.
Speaker 3: I also like they can also opt out in like
Speaker 3: twenty nine or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: It's actually really a five year deal because he can
Speaker 2: be out to your point, he can opt out at
Speaker 2: thirty one years old, and but he would be leaving
Speaker 2: about five hundred million and ten years on the table.
Speaker 2: So if he's determined and he's amazing, and he determines that,
Speaker 2: you know, because of inflation in five years, that you know,
Speaker 2: he could go and sign a ten year, seven hundred
Speaker 2: million dollar deal. At that point he's gaining there. But
Speaker 2: there's the option. I think he essentially either has to
Speaker 2: do one of two things, opt out, or the Mets
Speaker 2: have to then keep him at like five million more
Speaker 2: annually and there's zero deferred money, so there's like luxury tap.
Speaker 2: It's really fascinating, and it came to the point of,
Speaker 2: like Jeff Passon also saying, listen, seems like the Yankees
Speaker 2: might have benefited. To be honest with you, you know,
Speaker 2: like Wan Soto's great. Everybody across the board agrees this
Speaker 2: is an egregious overpay. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 2: like the Mets got their guy and he's a phenomenal player,
Speaker 2: Like you can't you can't be too negative about it.
Speaker 2: And I don't even care to harp on it. They
Speaker 2: got their guy, but it was they had to overpay
Speaker 2: to do it. And that's like playing an auction leagues.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm sick to my stomach every time I'm
Speaker 2: determined to get a player and people are pressing me
Speaker 2: and then and I always do it, and I'm the dude,
Speaker 2: I pay like four dollars more, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: hate doing it. That was like paying twenty dollars more,
Speaker 2: you know, than a standard auction high price or something
Speaker 2: like that. But we'll see how everybody reacts. We'll probably
Speaker 2: have a overarching We may even do like a short
Speaker 2: here on itl of a Winter Meetings breakdown if we
Speaker 2: get some of the big there's a lot of trades
Speaker 2: that there's.
Speaker 4: A lot of trades and big, big moves. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: if you're.
Speaker 2: Listening into the future, know that there might be an
Speaker 2: episode where we do more of an extensive breakdown. But
Speaker 2: just wanted to mention it's a huge one and we'll
Speaker 2: be talking about it next week in the outfield primer
Speaker 2: for one SODO with the New York Mets. But this
Speaker 2: is third base. We do have Mark Viento's and we
Speaker 2: got a whole lot more. So don't go anywhere strap in.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking just about the unique things and
Speaker 2: maybe some pieces that will help you in your own
Speaker 2: personal rankings of the corner infield Hotspot for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Okay, in this league, look at us, who would have
Speaker 1: thought not made, not made?
Speaker 3: Who had thought not made, not.
Speaker 4: May thought third base.
Speaker 2: Let's start with Jose Ramirez. I want to do myself
Speaker 2: a little bit of a better job and not get
Speaker 2: too harpened up at the top end. I think it
Speaker 2: is a good idea that we were doing how we're going,
Speaker 2: but it does take a while to get us to fifteen. Well,
Speaker 2: the reason I say that is, like, you know, they
Speaker 2: need to spend ten minutes on Bobby Wit No, probably not.
Speaker 2: It's fun to talk about, and the same thing would
Speaker 2: kind of align. Do we need to spend ten fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes on Jose Ramirez?
Speaker 4: Probably not.
Speaker 2: He fell short of a forty forty season also because
Speaker 2: he got short at a game. Thirty nine homers, forty
Speaker 2: one stolen bases to seventy nine batting average. Unreal. Really,
Speaker 2: he did all of this too, by the way, without
Speaker 2: really making big, concerted efforts to his game. You saw
Speaker 2: his max ev go on up to a career high
Speaker 2: one sixteen. Barrel percentage went up compared to last year,
Speaker 2: but he's had bigger career years. Launch angle was a like,
Speaker 2: what is it a degree and a half higher than
Speaker 2: the previous year, but he's had higher hard hit percentage
Speaker 2: was down from the previous year, and his expected batting
Speaker 2: average is forty points down from the previous year. So
Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out that, like he tapped into this
Speaker 2: completely new phase of his game that I still maybe
Speaker 2: it's totally overplayed Bogs. I still hold that, like that
Speaker 2: right field when they opened up whatever they did, that
Speaker 2: dimensional opening up the wall and it created this tunnel
Speaker 2: like you saw left handed hitters be able to smash
Speaker 2: really at an unreal quip like Stephen Kwan did, and
Speaker 2: he hit twenty five homers this year as a right
Speaker 2: handed hitter, and I'm looking twenty twenty three he hit twelve.
Speaker 2: He did hit twenty three in twenty twenty two, twenty five,
Speaker 2: So I mean that's not uncommon.
Speaker 4: But it really did help throw all this out. You know,
Speaker 4: what is it worth?
Speaker 2: I guess the only thing at the end of the
Speaker 2: day in talking about Rosi Ramirez is is it repeatable
Speaker 2: into the next year or is there something that stands
Speaker 2: out as a concern.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think there are cracks in the
Speaker 3: facade here for sure. Like you mentioned his XBA being
Speaker 3: forty points lower, it was twenty points lower than his
Speaker 3: batting average two seventy nine is what he hit. Two
Speaker 3: fifty nine was His XBA also had massive batting average
Speaker 3: splits between lefties and rightings. He had three forty eight
Speaker 3: vers lefties as a righty and then two point fifty
Speaker 3: four versus righties as a lefty, So, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: there there are some cracks there, but I mean they're
Speaker 3: not big enough to rock the foundation. I think is
Speaker 3: the point that we want to make here is that
Speaker 3: there are things that say, maybe he shouldn't be a
Speaker 3: top five pick, but I think that the fact that
Speaker 3: he is so much better than every other third baseman
Speaker 3: he gives you a distinct advantage at the position right
Speaker 3: and the fact that you know, it's not like his
Speaker 3: XBA was sixty points higher or something ridiculous. He wasn't
Speaker 3: like a league leader. He was a position leader. You
Speaker 3: had the second highest, you know, difference in his XBA
Speaker 3: in terms of guys that were negative. Jose Miranda the
Speaker 3: only one that was worse than him to eighty four
Speaker 3: batting average two fifty nine expected. But Vento's also sixty
Speaker 3: six to forty six, so someone matched him. But the
Speaker 3: difference is just so big, Like even if he lost
Speaker 3: the little team on batting average, he's still going to
Speaker 3: give you so many more RBI and runs than most
Speaker 3: other third basemen that he's worth. Uh, you know, an
Speaker 3: early first round pick, top five. Maybe you want to
Speaker 3: raise an eyebrow out. That's fine, but he's definitely a
Speaker 3: mid tier first rounder.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only other stuff i'd throw out in noticing he
Speaker 2: pulled the more and I think that definitely speaks to
Speaker 2: an understanding of maybe some of the new dimensional things
Speaker 2: he was able to take advantage of. He did that
Speaker 2: while losing some zone contact, if that means anything. His
Speaker 2: chase rate was a career high thirty one point seven percent,
Speaker 2: so he's definitely selling out for power, and I think
Speaker 2: that's key, and I don't say that in a negative way,
Speaker 2: but that's key when understanding two in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Almost I'm looking at this real quick to give you okay,
Speaker 2: I have it every single pitch type except cutters and sweepers,
Speaker 2: which those two pitches amount to only ten percent of
Speaker 2: what he saw. So ninety percent of pitch types in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three he underperformed. When I say under performed,
Speaker 2: forcing fastballs, which you saw the most, he hit two
Speaker 2: eighty XBA of three to eleven sliders two fourteen XBA
Speaker 2: of two eighty seven. He underperformed against those pitch types.
Speaker 2: So that is something that tells us like, hey, you
Speaker 2: know you're especially if you're underperforming at big degrees. This
Speaker 2: is a positive regressional type of thing. Maybe this guy
Speaker 2: can fix. Well, this year you saw that happen. You saw,
Speaker 2: like so sliders, he hit two forty this year. It
Speaker 2: wasn't the XBA, but he hit better fastballs. He hit
Speaker 2: three ten. It was three eleven the year before. So
Speaker 2: you saw those expected numbers come back up, but the
Speaker 2: expected numbers this year down, So they're coming back down.
Speaker 2: So like now you see XBA of two seventy two
Speaker 2: against fastballs, which is more like twenty twenty three slider XBA,
Speaker 2: almost the exact same year before. So there's this weird,
Speaker 2: interesting dichotomy of like, you know, him following his expected
Speaker 2: numbers year over year, and I think maybe some of
Speaker 2: those are representative that he lost some hard hit. Actually
Speaker 2: his top three pitch types he hit softer, I guess.
Speaker 3: I mean just looking at his hard hit at his
Speaker 3: hard hit percentage on stack cast, well she was, you know,
Speaker 3: still high, but ninth among third basemen in Barrel's for
Speaker 3: plate appearance and in terms of hard hit percentage he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's low, Yeah, you know, he's low. But this
Speaker 2: is actually more what I'm saying. He hit forty point
Speaker 2: four the year prior, a hard hit percentage thirty nine
Speaker 2: point seven.
Speaker 4: That's not a dramatic drop. It's like it goes under forty.
Speaker 4: It's not dramatic.
Speaker 2: But when you dig deeper, the top three pitch types
Speaker 2: against he lost four percent against forcing fastballs, He lost
Speaker 2: five percent against changeups, and sliders he lost four percent.
Speaker 2: So those equate to almost sixty percent of the pitch types.
Speaker 2: He lost significant hard hit rates against those, And again
Speaker 2: he was like pulling the ball and getting the ball
Speaker 2: in the air a little bit more. I think he
Speaker 2: just kind of swims through the type of hitter that
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 4: I love him.
Speaker 2: His his projections are lower though it's around two eighty
Speaker 2: and it's around and the homers come down, and so
Speaker 2: it's like thirty thirty, Like I think to eighty thirty
Speaker 2: thirty is the baseline for Jose Ramirez, and he wavers
Speaker 2: between the type of hitter that he can be. And
Speaker 2: that's what I like about him so much. So that's
Speaker 2: there's not meant to be this negative cold water thrown on.
Speaker 2: It's just when you look at the profile, you can
Speaker 2: see him playing up and down to some of this
Speaker 2: expected stuff, and I think that is based on the
Speaker 2: type of hitter that he wants to be in a
Speaker 2: given time.
Speaker 3: So his projection is two seventy nine, as you mentioned right,
Speaker 3: hovering out on top of two eighty. His career is
Speaker 3: two seventy nine, but his XBA last year was two
Speaker 3: fifty nine. If I set his batting average at two
Speaker 3: seventy five, are you going higher or lower than that?
Speaker 4: Oh? I mean, I might like, I think that's right.
Speaker 4: I think that's like right about.
Speaker 3: And that's and that's a fair answer. But you know,
Speaker 3: gunder your head, are you going over or under?
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say he's hit over that three
Speaker 2: straight years to eighty two, eighty two, and two seventy nine,
Speaker 2: So I guess I would I mean, gun to my head,
Speaker 2: Oh man, I probably.
Speaker 4: Would go over. I guess. Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I think that's the question, and I think
Speaker 3: that's the right answer, and that is why he's being drafted.
Speaker 3: So is you know, we we can you can write
Speaker 3: the narrative to go negative on almost any player, but
Speaker 3: thirty thirty with one hundred, one hundred as your baseline,
Speaker 3: you know, that's a good place to start.
Speaker 4: And that's where Jose Ramirez kind of comes in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually wish I could see like individual
Speaker 2: like even launch angles on certain pitches, because it's like
Speaker 2: the guy pulled more, he chased a bit more, he
Speaker 2: put more barrels. Technically that is correct, eight point six
Speaker 2: barrel rate to seven the previous year. So he put
Speaker 2: more barrels, chased a bit more, pulled the ball a
Speaker 2: little bit more, lost some hard hit, but still let
Speaker 2: balls fly.
Speaker 4: And maybe he was.
Speaker 2: Held up by that ballpark factor. Gotta love Hoser Ramirez,
Speaker 2: and that's like the main key here. He's a key cog,
Speaker 2: top five, top seven, something like that. I actually, even
Speaker 2: though I talk about some of those negatives, I actually
Speaker 2: think that speaks very well to who he is. And
Speaker 2: I really do feel like this is just a guy
Speaker 2: who adjusts his game as it goes on, and the
Speaker 2: ballpark even helps a tiny bit more. Jazz Chisholm is
Speaker 2: going to come in at number three, number two or
Speaker 2: as who is it? John Hayman calls him Chas Jism.
Speaker 4: Did you hear that? Yeah, Jazz Chaz.
Speaker 2: Jism is our new play. That that's our new Aaron Arson,
Speaker 2: Judge Arson Judge and Chas Jism Chaz Chisholm comes in
Speaker 2: here after playing third, bit what was I don't remember
Speaker 2: his actual games played at third, because he should qualify
Speaker 2: I think everywhere because he was going to play that
Speaker 2: with the Yankees. But hit two fifty six. That is
Speaker 2: three straight years of hitting at least two fifty. It's
Speaker 2: actually between.
Speaker 4: Two fifty and two fifty six, three straight years.
Speaker 2: Twenty four homers, forty stolen bases for that team that
Speaker 2: doesn't steal a whole bunch. He really did it. He
Speaker 2: dropped a barrel percentage did fall this year. His expected
Speaker 2: batting average higher than the year before, but it still
Speaker 2: sits around two forty. Cut his strikeout percentage by quite
Speaker 2: a bit, which is nice. And he got the ball
Speaker 2: in the air we talk about I mentioned, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a great ballpark for left handed hitters. It's one
Speaker 2: of the better from a home run perspective. So that
Speaker 2: really speaks well to Jazz in the future.
Speaker 4: And everything was better in New York as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go and just look at it,
Speaker 3: because Baseball Reference has it split by team. His average
Speaker 3: went from two forty nine to two seventy three. He
Speaker 3: hit thirteen homers for the Marlins, eleven for the Yankees,
Speaker 3: and that is in one hundred and one games and
Speaker 3: four hundred and thirty played appearances for the Marlins and
Speaker 3: then forty six games and one hundred and ninety one
Speaker 3: played appearances too, fewer homers. He stole twenty two bases
Speaker 3: with the Marlins over one hundred and one games, eighteen
Speaker 3: with the Yankees over forty six. Everything for him was
Speaker 3: so much better with the Yankees. And now we get
Speaker 3: him there for a full season. Obviously, the thing with
Speaker 3: Jazz is is he going to play a full season?
Speaker 3: Which one hundred and forty seven games this year is
Speaker 3: a ton, especially since that's the most because he's ever
Speaker 3: had in his career. So yeah, so hopefully we get
Speaker 3: a lot more of that as well.
Speaker 4: It's as good as a hits with him.
Speaker 2: He hit pretty well against both sides of the plate too. Uh.
Speaker 2: The year prior he'd only hit one seventy two against
Speaker 2: lefties one forty three in twenty twenty two, and then
Speaker 2: he had two seventy two seventy two thirty seven that
Speaker 2: year prior hitting two.
Speaker 4: Forty I actually, look, is that a career high?
Speaker 2: That is?
Speaker 4: Why? Is? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That is a well hold on twenty twenty. No, in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, well, it was fourteen at bats. We're going
Speaker 2: to call that a full.
Speaker 4: Season career high.
Speaker 2: Hitting two forty nine against lefties this past year, and
Speaker 2: like you said, he was better in the post All
Speaker 2: Star break because of the Yankees in general. Uh, it
Speaker 2: looked like he had a four percent raise in his
Speaker 2: contact percentage, which was good. It looked like, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was something in there, maybe
Speaker 2: takin Azota or talking to Judge that he became like
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a patient.
Speaker 4: Hit park factors, lineup factors.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Well cut a strike up percentage by
Speaker 2: six percent. He had a thirty percent the year prior,
Speaker 2: went down to twenty four percent. So there's se to
Speaker 2: speak to something that, like some of the pitches that
Speaker 2: you know were getting him. But he hit one thirty
Speaker 2: two against sliders with a forty one percent strikeout percentage
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. This year, everybody threw him sliders.
Speaker 2: He cut a strikeout percent it's still bad thirty four percent,
Speaker 2: but he hit two thirty five, you know, so like
Speaker 2: he he did better and he hit them harder, and
Speaker 2: I think he set himself up where it's funny. He
Speaker 2: was only ten percent of sliders in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: so clearly, you know, pitching coaches got the book on
Speaker 2: him and they said we're throwing him sliders. It went
Speaker 2: up five percent and he kind of adjusted well to it,
Speaker 2: and that all.
Speaker 3: Percentage just looking at it, well, strike up percentage dipped
Speaker 3: one percent one point three percent moving from Miami to
Speaker 3: New York, but the backmit was actually lower, but the
Speaker 3: ISO was a big difference. One p fifty eight in Miami,
Speaker 3: did two twenty seven with the Yankees.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a lot to like a
Speaker 2: jazz here. You know, there's nothing crazy in the swing.
Speaker 2: It's pretty league average actually, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Length it's like a little bit faster, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit longer. The contact rates as far as like squared
Speaker 2: up and blast, they're about the same.
Speaker 4: Like he's this like solid dude, who.
Speaker 2: You know, the only thing I did in check Now
Speaker 2: I want to look how might I stolen bases did
Speaker 2: he have with the Yankees? He had. He had seventeen
Speaker 2: stolen bases with the Yankees, which is pretty impressive too
Speaker 2: because that team didn't run. They just kind of let
Speaker 2: him go. He had twelve in September.
Speaker 4: What are you do? You have his projections up? I
Speaker 4: don't have.
Speaker 2: I'm not staring at those right now because I'm gonna
Speaker 2: i'd like to guess. I'm gonna guess the projections are
Speaker 2: gonna be two fifty five, twenty five, thirty five.
Speaker 3: Uh, you were a little high on the average, two
Speaker 3: forty six, Okay, Homer's I think you were.
Speaker 4: What do you say, twenty five?
Speaker 3: You were low on that, twenty nine and then right
Speaker 3: on on the solen basis thirty five.
Speaker 2: I love it, and I see it in his game,
Speaker 2: and I see the ice, see the ballpark factor to
Speaker 2: crazy pull heavy, it works. And then let's look one.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is going to be kind of mixed here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: see this is goofy. He only hit two thirty seven
Speaker 2: at quote home this year and two eighty on the road.
Speaker 2: But I don't know how it's accounting. I don't have
Speaker 2: the breakdown of New York versus Miami home on here,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna guess the New York side is probably
Speaker 2: holding him up quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the batting average, everything went up
Speaker 3: when we went to Yeah, he's just hit there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think those are all positive. That's how I
Speaker 2: look at him, just and I go, hey, there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of great positives.
Speaker 4: To this guy.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, would you rather pay that
Speaker 3: five costs for Jose or twenty five? Because that's something
Speaker 3: where if you take Jose in the first round, you're
Speaker 3: you're probably not thinking about Jazz in the second. But
Speaker 3: you could take somebody else up there high that you like,
Speaker 3: and then you could take Jazz in the second Which
Speaker 3: one do you think you'd rather do?
Speaker 4: See?
Speaker 2: I wonder kind of depends on formats, like if it's NFBC,
Speaker 2: Like how far do you want to go before pitchers?
Speaker 2: If you got a high pick and then you're taking
Speaker 2: a that's like a second round pick. I know what
Speaker 2: you're saying, and I think it's it's logically just.
Speaker 3: A third base discussion only like would you rather take
Speaker 3: the first overall or the second overall in the second round?
Speaker 2: I would rather take Ramirez because I feel very comfortable. Also,
Speaker 2: he's healthier and stuff like that. You feel for sure
Speaker 2: about him, But your logic is right and sound in that,
Speaker 2: like you might not have as crazy of a dip
Speaker 2: in production as you think when you move over to
Speaker 2: a guy like Jazz next up here, as far as
Speaker 2: we're following the NFBC ADP, not our own ranks or
Speaker 2: anything like that, we are going to Austin Riley with
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Braves, only had four hundred and twenty five
Speaker 2: at bats this year, hit two fifty six nineteen homers.
Speaker 2: I believe he got hurt at the end of the
Speaker 2: year that missed the time. Great barrel percentage, way up
Speaker 2: to hard to hit percentage, pretty good stabilize XBA. So
Speaker 2: he actually underperformed his expected batting average this past year.
Speaker 2: He struggled against lefties, hit righties well. But you know,
Speaker 2: he played very little in the in the second half.
Speaker 2: But things were like locked in. They were just like
Speaker 2: they were on pace on how it was going. Initial
Speaker 2: takes on Austin Riley Also that savant slider page, he's
Speaker 2: not he's below average, Like as far as like he
Speaker 2: wiffs a decent amount, he strikes out more than normal,
Speaker 2: but it's almost top ten ish percent across the board,
Speaker 2: and like it's a it's super super hard hit, great
Speaker 2: barrel batspeed, expected slug, expected wOBA like those are high
Speaker 2: end stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, it feels weird to say this
Speaker 3: because this is not like who Austin Riley was supposed
Speaker 3: to be coming in. I feel like he had the
Speaker 3: huge year in twenty two or I'm sorry twenty one,
Speaker 3: and everyone went, eh, I don't know, let's see it
Speaker 3: repeat in twenty two, and then it did, and then
Speaker 3: again in twenty twenty three, and then he finally got
Speaker 3: hurt in twenty twenty four. So I think what you
Speaker 3: see is what you get from Riley.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The batting average is the question here, right, because he
Speaker 3: was all the way up to three oho three, two
Speaker 3: seventy three, then two eighty one, it dipped down to
Speaker 3: two fifty six this season. What did you said he
Speaker 3: performed a little bit in his XBA No, yeah, he
Speaker 3: underperformed it, yes, right, So that should come up the
Speaker 3: end of the year. With the hand fracture, I think
Speaker 3: it kind of you know, one concerning thing would be
Speaker 3: he was kind of supposed to come back at the
Speaker 3: end of the year and they just said it wasn't
Speaker 3: healing as fast as they expected it to be, so
Speaker 3: he didn't come back. I assume with a full offseason
Speaker 3: of rest and rehab and all that stuff. He's going
Speaker 3: to be fine, something to look at. But I think
Speaker 3: Austin Riley is pretty cut and dry, good power, very
Speaker 3: good player, deserves to be right in this mix of
Speaker 3: where these third basemen are going, and you know, not
Speaker 3: a lot to add there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say I wanted to look at his swing
Speaker 2: profile here because he saw more fastballs this year. Still
Speaker 2: a little bit more what of my Austin Riley here? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he saw more forcing fastballs, which can you guess
Speaker 2: what his batting average was against forcing fastballs? I just
Speaker 2: want to give you a perspective. The fastball batting average,
Speaker 2: which combines all baseball Zavant type fastballs, is two fifty two.
Speaker 2: Can you guess what his forcing fastball batting average was?
Speaker 2: Three hundred one? Two?
Speaker 4: Oh real bad, other way.
Speaker 2: Really really bad. But his XBA was two forty two.
Speaker 2: He destroyed sinkers four hundred he hit where the year
Speaker 2: prior he had hit three thirty one. But that's an
Speaker 2: eighty point drop against forcing fastballs. So the reason I
Speaker 2: say this is I pulled up his swing profile. So
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, I think I've identified where the
Speaker 2: stuff is. Like he's a great like inside, uh, he
Speaker 2: swings it inside pitches. I mean, I guess I could
Speaker 2: look at his batting average. Let me look at his
Speaker 2: batting average real quick twenty twenty three inside lower third
Speaker 2: of the zone hit four forty at the very top
Speaker 2: of the inside three point eighty two. This past year
Speaker 2: it's about the same. He even did a little bit
Speaker 2: better on inside stuff, but it's the bottom of the
Speaker 2: zone is where I was getting at. So his swing percentage,
Speaker 2: this might not be interesting to everybody, but his swing
Speaker 2: percentage in twenty twenty three was like, this is the
Speaker 2: bottom four that go across, you know, all the way
Speaker 2: to the other side of the plate. And we again
Speaker 2: we're breaking this into four eight, twelve, sixteen, so sixteen
Speaker 2: squares inside of your zone. The bottom four. He had
Speaker 2: a swing percentage of fifty six, forty three, forty six
Speaker 2: and twenty five. So that's from inside to outside and
Speaker 2: then the outside of the zone. But below the bottom
Speaker 2: of the zone thirty three, twenty nine, thirty two, twenty eight.
Speaker 2: That seems about right. This past year inside bottom thirty
Speaker 2: six percent, So he stopped swinging as much at those
Speaker 2: seventy percent of the next one fifty seven percent, So
Speaker 2: those are like the middle bottom of the zone, he
Speaker 2: swung a bunch and then he stopped swinging outside of
Speaker 2: the far into the left side of the plate thirty
Speaker 2: seven percent, but the quadrant right under the inside bottom
Speaker 2: sixty seven percent swing percentage. So what I'm getting at
Speaker 2: here is like people were throwing him like low inside
Speaker 2: and that one on the lower inside he was just
Speaker 2: swinging through. And I mean the whiff rate, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: look at here real quick. Let's see, I mean fifty
Speaker 2: percent in twenty twenty three. Yeah, I mean the whiff
Speaker 2: rate looks like it is a bit up overall in
Speaker 2: the zone and just wild outside of the zones. So
Speaker 2: again that might have like racked everybody's brain. All that
Speaker 2: I was looking at there was like, you know, why
Speaker 2: did he see more fastballs? And what's the thing that
Speaker 2: people saw? And it was like, oh, lower inside on
Speaker 2: the zone, he really wasn't doing a whole lot with
Speaker 2: And that's where maybe some of that whiff came from
Speaker 2: this year. But he massively underperformed against forcing fastballs. To me,
Speaker 2: that's a huge positive regression sign. Positive regression, my friends,
Speaker 2: You you're not gonna survive in most pitches. One seventy
Speaker 2: two batting average against forcing fastballs. Ah that and and
Speaker 2: and by the way, they expect a batting average seventy
Speaker 2: points higher expected to hit. That's a very big positive
Speaker 2: if that is the case. And you know, maybe some
Speaker 2: of that was like he just saw more sinkers and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but I see that as a very
Speaker 2: good positive to a guy that has a great profile.
Speaker 2: Made more zone contact this year than he had the
Speaker 2: prior year. You know, his strikeoup percentage is about the same,
Speaker 2: he barreled more. I'm just saying, if he stays healthy,
Speaker 2: those seems like thing, those seem like things that are
Speaker 2: going to bounce back in his favor.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think so too.
Speaker 3: I think, like I said, kind of cut and draw
Speaker 3: for a player, just a dude that is very productive.
Speaker 4: Just because British. Yeah I draw I had in my throat.
Speaker 3: Anyway, are like Austin, He's gonna hit the crap out
Speaker 3: of the ball here. Uh yeah, No, I can't do
Speaker 3: a British accent. But yeah, I think pretty cut and dry.
Speaker 3: I like the the quadrant breakdown of the swing.
Speaker 2: It's really tough to do on an audio medium. I
Speaker 2: apologize like it.
Speaker 3: I like it. I had it in my I was
Speaker 3: looking at my head the wrong way for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: I was like, is he reaching like I thought it
Speaker 3: was the outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it in the lower inside, and and he
Speaker 2: was just swinging at the outside ones less it looked like.
Speaker 2: And then the inside ones was kind of the same thing,
Speaker 2: and he was chasing more. They were throwing it under
Speaker 2: the zone. So the identification was, all right, we throw
Speaker 2: him low, and then you had pictures that were throwing
Speaker 2: him low and inside, and he was swinging a lot
Speaker 2: more at those things. But though he did have some
Speaker 2: points when you left it in the middle low of
Speaker 2: the zone, his batting average actually went up this past year.
Speaker 2: So like that's where peop trying to attack him. Like
Speaker 2: he's got great bat speed, so he's going to catch
Speaker 2: up to stuff higher in the zone, so pitchers are
Speaker 2: trying to get him lower.
Speaker 4: Looks like they did to a degree.
Speaker 2: But it's like that forcing fastball, Like there's a narrative
Speaker 2: of a lot what I talk about. Maybe it's boring
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, or are eye rolling or whatever
Speaker 2: the people smarter than me, But there's crazy correlations between
Speaker 2: forcing fastball and success or.
Speaker 4: Lacks the pitch. You see the most by a lot,
Speaker 4: and if every hitter.
Speaker 2: If you destroy I mean like, okay, maybe you're there's
Speaker 2: a few pitchers or hitters that are gonna just always
Speaker 2: be insanely dominant. But guess what, Like if a big
Speaker 2: correlative thing in your game was you, all of a
Speaker 2: sudden hit three thirty against forcing fastballs and usually hit
Speaker 2: two eighty, You're probably gonna have pictures that are gonna
Speaker 2: change their approach to you, and you know you're gonna
Speaker 2: underperform against that pitch type, and then you might see
Speaker 2: more of something you struggle. So like really high h
Speaker 2: forcing fastball performances to me kind of scream like there
Speaker 2: might be a little bit of regression in the game.
Speaker 2: And then the inverse half as well. It's not a
Speaker 2: perfect science, probably, but it's something. As we keep talking,
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, check that in the back of your mind.
Speaker 2: And this is like the most this is the most apparent.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen a player that we broke down in
Speaker 2: this series yet that struggled this much against forcing fastballs
Speaker 2: that is as elite of a guy.
Speaker 3: So I kind of like, why go get you Austin Riley,
Speaker 3: go get him?
Speaker 4: Great play it.
Speaker 2: I can't I hear much better impression than my mine
Speaker 2: is terrible. He is not good at all, really bad. Uh,
Speaker 2: the other version of Austin Riley. I think these guys
Speaker 2: just flow together. Ruffael Devers another one of these, like
Speaker 2: as a big core players, you know, like Jose Ramirez
Speaker 2: owns this position. But then you get into this. I
Speaker 2: guess you could argue about the value, but it's like
Speaker 2: this is where we're just into these like really solid dudes,
Speaker 2: and it is as solid as it can get. To
Speaker 2: seventy two average. He hit two seventy one the year before,
Speaker 2: Homers were down a little bit to seventy two. Ended
Speaker 2: up having eighty seven runs on the season with eighty
Speaker 2: three RBI, so is the lowest RBI he's had since
Speaker 2: two thousand and two when they played fifty seven games.
Speaker 2: So that was down a bit, but that also kind
Speaker 2: of speaks to the team in general. Hard hit was
Speaker 2: down around three percent, but it's still elite of elite.
Speaker 2: Crazy high strikeout rate jump from twenty seven percent in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. This is the second highest incident of twenty
Speaker 2: four point five. But he walked more, he barreled a
Speaker 2: bit more, still got the ball in the air, I
Speaker 2: leave it to you for a minute. For Rafael Devers, he.
Speaker 3: Had a couple bigger splits two ninety three versus righties
Speaker 3: to forty first left these big fifty three point difference,
Speaker 3: three to zero one at home to forty seven away
Speaker 3: four point difference, and his average sank every month from
Speaker 3: July to September. So little concerns with Devers, but still
Speaker 3: the resume adds up to be a top five third
Speaker 3: baseman every single time you look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and looking across here of any other fun things.
Speaker 2: Hit three zero one at home, only two forty seven
Speaker 2: on the road. Did you say that one because you
Speaker 2: were talking about the other? Yeah, yeah, you said the
Speaker 2: home road split. Uh so there are some extreme ones
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 4: What are his like?
Speaker 3: I just want to look real quick at his career
Speaker 3: splits on writing verse leftis. I didn't compare it because
Speaker 3: maybe it's just it's always been this wide of a gap.
Speaker 3: No not, I mean still a pretty significant gap to
Speaker 3: eighty six versus rieties, two sixty five vers lefties over
Speaker 3: his career two ninety two at home versus two sixty
Speaker 3: eight away. His first half adding average is eight points
Speaker 3: better than his second half adding average, so the differences
Speaker 3: were bigger this season.
Speaker 2: Looking here too, the twenty twenty three pitch mix it
Speaker 2: changed this year. It was like, these are the top
Speaker 2: four forceem change up, sinker, slider. This past year for
Speaker 2: seam sinker, slider, cutter, they stopped throwing them change ups,
Speaker 2: and that kind of sparked me to look, there are
Speaker 2: so many pitch types that he struggled with in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three that had massively higher expect batting average, which
Speaker 2: guess what they bounced back the year and the next
Speaker 2: year change ups. In twenty twenty three he hit two
Speaker 2: twenty one with a two eighty seven expected. In twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Four he hit three fifteen GA, so I won know
Speaker 4: what he worked on in the offseason well.
Speaker 2: But also, like a lot of people get very roly
Speaker 2: about expected numbers, it's not one hundred percent, but like
Speaker 2: extremes can tell you like where things can bounce back.
Speaker 2: He underperformed against forcing fastballs, but dude, it is seventy
Speaker 2: one percent hard hit rate against forcing fastballs.
Speaker 4: That's absurd.
Speaker 2: With a batting average that he overperformed against, which is
Speaker 2: something to consider. Though his strikeout rate went up, it
Speaker 2: was all fastballs, ladies and gentlemen. I should say he
Speaker 2: did sliders too. He actually had a ten percent to
Speaker 2: ten percentile point increase. He went from sixteen to twenty
Speaker 2: six percent, but forcing fastballs went from twenty seven percent
Speaker 2: to striking out forty two percent of the time on fastballs.
Speaker 4: Oh Rafael Devers.
Speaker 2: Was selling out to demolish for seeing fastballs. His batting
Speaker 2: average overperformed. He hit it like crazy, he struck out
Speaker 2: and clearly he was destroying hit a fifteen run value
Speaker 2: on forcing fastballs. His own contact percentage went way down
Speaker 2: because of that.
Speaker 4: So I'm not.
Speaker 2: Sure how I feel about that. He's got weird splits.
Speaker 2: He definitely was selling out for power more based on
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing, But he hits the ball across a
Speaker 2: lot of different pitch types really well with low strikeout percentages.
Speaker 2: I kind of think that's what you want your power hitter.
Speaker 2: You want a guy that can hit these other pitch
Speaker 2: types solidly for contact, decent contact across the board, and
Speaker 2: then sell his ass out for power to try to demolish.
Speaker 2: His XBA supported his batting average. He has had a
Speaker 2: two seventy two or higher expected batting average for four
Speaker 2: straight years, So I like this profile stuff. It just
Speaker 2: might show a weirdness in the game if you get
Speaker 2: a little bit of run support raf Fael Devers. I
Speaker 2: just don't know if I have a I have a
Speaker 2: feel on Devers versus Riley right now.
Speaker 3: That's what I was exactly going to ask you. I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, you know, and we're not holding your
Speaker 3: feet to the fly to the fire here at all.
Speaker 3: But uh do you think, like, well, well, I understand that,
Speaker 3: but like what concerns you more is these weird splits
Speaker 3: with Devers or you know, the hand injury that was
Speaker 3: recovering slowly for Austin Riley, which one is and this
Speaker 3: is purely poking holes at the very top, you know,
Speaker 3: this is this might be an overall difference of two
Speaker 3: spots for these guys in your rankings that are you know,
Speaker 3: overall and not positional. So we're not you know, this
Speaker 3: isn't a major difference. What it What is the thing
Speaker 3: that you would say concerns you more?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's maybe Devers another thing I didn't
Speaker 2: even like notice until right now. I mean, his his
Speaker 2: pull right went down, look at his spray chart. Remember
Speaker 2: he's a left handed hitter. Why two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Speaker 2: I think there's eight legitimate homers that were pullside. Everything
Speaker 2: else was opposite field. So I mean that's a benefit
Speaker 2: from the home perspective for him to do it, and
Speaker 2: maybe why you're selling out for more power and fastballs,
Speaker 2: because you know, if you're sitting behind it and you
Speaker 2: can just get it up, you know, hitting in Boston
Speaker 2: is going to be a benefit. That also might be
Speaker 2: why there was bad home road splits by the way.
Speaker 2: You're cheating at home and you're taking that on the
Speaker 2: road with you and you can't hit everything opposite field.
Speaker 4: I have right, I have a Devers.
Speaker 2: One spot ahead of Riley. But it's making me think
Speaker 2: more like the thing that like when I look at
Speaker 2: the negatives, I go, Riley, you sucked against fastballs, but
Speaker 2: that's gonna get better an injury. I look at devers.
Speaker 2: I think they're smaller, but like there's a lot of them.
Speaker 2: It's like right road split, lefty split. Here you're not
Speaker 2: pulling the ball like, there's like a lot of little
Speaker 2: tiny ones.
Speaker 4: So it's like a big baby cut or two big cuts.
Speaker 2: Which one do you want? You know, I'll just give
Speaker 2: me the give me which everyone's cheaper. Probably at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I think so too. That's just
Speaker 2: kind of my take on it. Like I think they're
Speaker 2: both gonna be solid, but I do see like positive
Speaker 2: regression for Riley where I'm a little torn on like
Speaker 2: who this version of Devors is, but.
Speaker 3: It's still I would throw the last guy in this
Speaker 3: group in that as well. Whoever is cheapest.
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, So Machado two seventy five almost there's about
Speaker 2: a twenty batting average point raised from the previous year.
Speaker 2: He's just consistently like somewhere between twenty nine and thirty homers.
Speaker 2: He stole more bases this past year. Barrel percentage upticked,
Speaker 2: hard hit percentage uptick. These are from the previous year.
Speaker 2: Max ev was up, average EV was up, like he
Speaker 2: was just making solid quality contact. His savant sliders all
Speaker 2: pretty good. They're not like top ten percentile of the league,
Speaker 2: but it's like top twenty five percentile, and like barrel
Speaker 2: and hard hit and average excevelocity and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Early take on Manny Machado, I feel like he's like
Speaker 2: a step down. But to your point, like he's in
Speaker 2: this territory. Here's here's my only caveat, even though I
Speaker 2: just asked you a question, because he's so close to them,
Speaker 2: I don't agree with this. If he was, Oh, if
Speaker 2: these guys were in the thirties and Machada was in
Speaker 2: the fifties, then I think Machada is the case. These
Speaker 2: guys are all in NFBC within seven spots of each other,
Speaker 2: and that I disagree with.
Speaker 4: I would rather pay the price for like Riley or Devers.
Speaker 3: I think I would rather take Machado at the you know,
Speaker 3: as the cheaper guy. Now you know, if they're all
Speaker 3: three sitting there for me, I probably go the same
Speaker 3: order that you said. I probably go Riley, Devers, then Machado.
Speaker 3: But if it's like you know, I'm picking thirteen or twelve, right,
Speaker 3: and I can take somebody else, and then all three
Speaker 3: of those guys are available, and I'm hoping just one
Speaker 3: of them makes it back to me in that glood
Speaker 3: of picks that's six there, I would probably take the
Speaker 3: risk and wait and see if Machado fell. And the
Speaker 3: reason being is he doesn't have these crazy split concerns
Speaker 3: that Devers does. He's not coming off an injury and
Speaker 3: the ISO spiked enormously in the second half. You know,
Speaker 3: I would I would love to see it with Tatsis
Speaker 3: without Tatias, But first half his ISO was one fifty five,
Speaker 3: second half two fifty seven, so he ended on a
Speaker 3: heater as well, So I just I would probably be
Speaker 3: willing to wait and take him. But again to your point,
Speaker 3: they are very close and if I have my picks,
Speaker 3: it's still going to be right.
Speaker 4: I feel like Minchada has had these like struggles.
Speaker 2: He's carried into the season a bit for multiple years,
Speaker 2: like these swings, and it didn't really happen. He got
Speaker 2: better in the second half. He hit enough homers at
Speaker 2: home that there's not like you know, home road split
Speaker 2: doesn't like massively stand out too. I will say, when
Speaker 2: you look into like the hitting profile, it's becoming even more.
Speaker 4: Of like you got, he's just a fastball hitter.
Speaker 2: He saw way more sinkers this year, which are going
Speaker 2: to on this qualify at fastballs, and he destroyed them,
Speaker 2: and he saw less four seams. He was still hitting
Speaker 2: those well. He massively struggled against sliders, cutters. You know,
Speaker 2: the designation is probably in the fastball range. Like when
Speaker 2: you just look at the profile. You see this guy
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, well, he doesn't hit really as
Speaker 2: well against non fastball stuff. This isn't like Devers, who
Speaker 2: has his baseline across the board. He's a little bit
Speaker 2: more of a primary fastball hitter. So I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: surprised if you see this pitch mixed change again, Like
Speaker 2: he's gonna see less sinkers, You're going to probably see
Speaker 2: more sliders, I would guess, you know, maybe more change
Speaker 2: ups as well. Like that's kind of solely increased, and
Speaker 2: I just I'm getting at I don't feel as great
Speaker 2: about his batting average, even though it's stabilized. But to
Speaker 2: his credit, zone contact percentage was the same. He didn't
Speaker 2: chase more, he swung a little bit more at first pitches,
Speaker 2: but like it's not a ton of crazy negatives or
Speaker 2: anything like that. He hit two fifty six against lefties
Speaker 2: to eighty against righty. He's like, this is just a
Speaker 2: solid hitter and a really great lineup. But I feel
Speaker 2: like there's some injury stuff or some mistiming. I say that,
Speaker 2: but he's had almost.
Speaker 4: Say ten games. I think he's just banged up one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty three. The last four years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm off on that, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just feel like he's a little bit different than
Speaker 2: the others, a little bit more power projection. I think
Speaker 2: both are better hitters than Manny Machado, but he does
Speaker 2: kind of belong in that range, all right. So now
Speaker 2: this is like the really interesting core player range where
Speaker 2: there is sleepers and stuff, Mark Vientos. Mark Viento's yes
Speaker 2: is sixth on this of NFBC third base ranks, which
Speaker 2: is wild to think about. Hit twenty seven homers last year,
Speaker 2: two sixty six average, fifty eight runs. Didn't have like
Speaker 2: enough games to you know, put up like other big
Speaker 2: mounting counting stats, but it's like, if you played one
Speaker 2: hundred and eleven games, you could have probably projected him
Speaker 2: to be like seventy five runs ninety rbi. The batting
Speaker 2: average was really good. Hard hit numbers are what stand out.
Speaker 2: Hard hit barrel average, ex velocity x slug, They're all
Speaker 2: well well above average, horrifically bad wiff and K percentages.
Speaker 2: He struck out twenty nine point seven percent of the time,
Speaker 2: but great amazing combo fourteen point one percent barrel rate,
Speaker 2: double digit launch angle, and a forty six percent hard
Speaker 2: hit rate. I fen love when I see that. It
Speaker 2: is my favorite thing on the planet. But kind of
Speaker 2: in the Machado world, Vientos. He's not a sole fastball hitter,
Speaker 2: but he's a pretty big fastball hitter. He had I
Speaker 2: remember doing this in my ride up. He's the only
Speaker 2: guy I've seen maybe we had one other player so far, Fogs.
Speaker 2: He is the only one that his number one pitch
Speaker 2: type was not a foreseen fastball. More sliders were thrown
Speaker 2: against him. He only saw twenty one percent foreseing fastballs.
Speaker 2: That's insane for any player that is played one hundred
Speaker 2: or mores Toronto. Yeah, twenty three percent sliders, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, he only hit one seventy five. Why was
Speaker 2: the fastball there? Because he hit three nineteen against them
Speaker 2: and a three hundred XBA sinkers third.
Speaker 4: Most hit three twenty nine.
Speaker 2: Its cutters three fifty if those are going to count
Speaker 2: everything else one fifty two sweepers, one ninety four curve.
Speaker 4: So that that's where the hole is.
Speaker 2: Is like, people are going to attack him with off
Speaker 2: speed stuff. But if but to his credit, and I
Speaker 2: know I'm talking like a lot lot here, he walked
Speaker 2: a decent amount if he can push counts and force
Speaker 2: fastball counts. This is why he's such a freaking menace.
Speaker 2: I see him kind of like a pee alonzo guy,
Speaker 2: and then you look at the guys in front of him.
Speaker 2: There's so much to like about him. And lastly, got
Speaker 2: Soto hitting in front of him. Yeah, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: You're gonna have teams wanting to be more aggressive to him,
Speaker 2: which could equate to more fastball usage, and that's where
Speaker 2: some big numbers could come into play.
Speaker 4: And it seems like.
Speaker 3: They he kind of figured out, and they figured out
Speaker 3: what was going on with him by throwing him more
Speaker 3: breaking balls. And it seems like that happened in the
Speaker 3: second half because the average went way down two ninety
Speaker 3: one in the first half to two forty seven in
Speaker 3: the second half, but the home run rate went up.
Speaker 3: He had twelve first half homers, fifteen second half homers
Speaker 3: in forty nine fewer abs. He didn't have the biggest difference.
Speaker 3: It wasn't hundreds of that bats different between his first
Speaker 3: and second half, but he sold out for power in
Speaker 3: the second half. So, like you said, if they put
Speaker 3: him in an advantageous position where he's hitting in front
Speaker 3: of Soto or you know, someone else, who knows who
Speaker 3: else the Mets are going to go out and pay
Speaker 3: for this season, then you know he should be seeing
Speaker 3: more fastballs and hitting the ball harder and better. So
Speaker 3: fingers crossed that that happens for him. But you know,
Speaker 3: even him selling out for power in the second half
Speaker 3: is what it looks like. The average only went down
Speaker 3: to two forty seven. I mean two ninety one two
Speaker 3: forty seven is a huge difference, but two forty seven
Speaker 3: is very livable if you're going to hit forty homers.
Speaker 3: So Vientos has this is a great opportunity. It's not
Speaker 3: a surprise, but he's a top six third baseman right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want I wanted to look at it was
Speaker 2: slow in my computer down that's having multiple instances of
Speaker 2: fan grafts up was uh because you can't I don't
Speaker 2: see this on somevant. I wanted to see the k
Speaker 2: percentage by month breakdown for Vento's and I.
Speaker 4: Can look that up. I already have it. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: got it.
Speaker 2: Essentially got worse every single month. So he started out
Speaker 2: with a twenty one percent in May love it and
Speaker 2: he had a three to ten batting average. Then he
Speaker 2: went to June where he had a twenty three percent
Speaker 2: K percentage love it to sixty five batting average. Then
Speaker 2: in July thirty two percent, but he still had a
Speaker 2: two eighty three, thirty one percent in August two still
Speaker 2: two sixty three, which is all great, and then thirty
Speaker 2: six point nine percent in so it almost got worse
Speaker 2: every single month, which that is a concern. But I
Speaker 2: will say the positive is that he kept hitting for average.
Speaker 2: We've seen guys have big k rates and like continue going.
Speaker 2: But the unfortunate side there is that it got worse
Speaker 2: every single month for Viento's so.
Speaker 4: You gotta be careful.
Speaker 2: His ADP though it's like around ninety so if you
Speaker 2: get him outside the top one hundred, like he's going
Speaker 2: to be one of the biggest targets for chasing power
Speaker 2: there is. But I am worried that there's some regressional stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, I just closed it. What are his projections
Speaker 2: like two fifty thirty five one hundred RBI, I can, by.
Speaker 3: The way right now two forty eight thirty three ninety five, So.
Speaker 4: I'm essentially right on that.
Speaker 2: I love that that's a top one hundred pick, no doubt.
Speaker 2: I will try to take Mark Mark Vento's everywhere that
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 4: Just because of the what he was able to do
Speaker 4: as a hitter.
Speaker 2: Last year, assuming progression and the hitters that are hopefully
Speaker 2: in front of him again, I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: lock he hits three. I think like Joe like thinks that.
Speaker 2: But if they go get Christian Walker, Bianto's not hitting three, right,
Speaker 2: hit four? Ring Alonzo back right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he could hit three and Alonso hits four
Speaker 2: just from a contact perspective, but I doubt it because
Speaker 2: he's a thirty percent k guy. But Vento's is very exciting.
Speaker 2: Another one of these in the sleeper realm Jordan Westburg.
Speaker 2: He's right there with Viento's coming off of eighteen homer
Speaker 2: six dolen bases, two sixty four batting average. But why
Speaker 2: do you really like him? That slider side of Savant
Speaker 2: It is red. It is top cently fifteen to twenty
Speaker 2: percent of the league across the board. Hard hit barrel
Speaker 2: x slug had eleven percent, eleven point eight percent barrel
Speaker 2: rate awesome, forty six percent hard hit rate awesome, thirteen
Speaker 2: launch angle. Those are the things I'm talking about Ventos with,
Speaker 2: except he only strikes out twenty one percent of the time,
Speaker 2: had a ninety one percent average exivelocity. There's a lot
Speaker 2: to like about in this profile of Jordan Westburg overall,
Speaker 2: and in that offense in general. There's a lot of huge,
Speaker 2: massive upside. I will throw this one thing as you're
Speaker 2: going to break it down, though.
Speaker 4: Huge split issue.
Speaker 2: He hit two seventy one in the first half with
Speaker 2: fifteen homers, only had seventy three at bats in the
Speaker 2: next portion three homers, two thirty three batting average. But
Speaker 2: there's a lot of profile stuff for Westburg.
Speaker 3: Yeah, three to zero three at home, two twenty eight
Speaker 3: away also, which it was pretty surprising, but weirdly nine
Speaker 3: homers at home and nine homers away for his eighteen homers,
Speaker 3: which is strange, especially when he's hitting almost eighty points
Speaker 3: worse here. So yeah, that was pretty surprising. Obviously, he
Speaker 3: missed a big chunk of the year with a broken
Speaker 3: hand as well, so we didn't get the full year
Speaker 3: from him or the scope. As you said, not a
Speaker 3: lot of games in the second half there, but he
Speaker 3: came back at the end of the year, so health
Speaker 3: should be way back up by the time spring Chang
Speaker 3: rules around here.
Speaker 2: Only other last little things. Pretty good batting average kind
Speaker 2: of across the board on different pitch types.
Speaker 4: So I love to.
Speaker 2: See a guy that has has the ability to not
Speaker 2: get wrecked by one pitch. I'll also say it is
Speaker 2: almost unanimous across the board of positive aggression on pitch type.
Speaker 2: So higher expected batting average is what I mean by
Speaker 2: that than what he did. Sweeper almost twenty batting average
Speaker 2: points sinkers, sixty batting average point sliders, you know, point
Speaker 2: zero six fastball exact same, he hit three or six
Speaker 2: against fastballs XBA the exact same. And his three biggest
Speaker 2: heart pitch types he saw, which were the only three
Speaker 2: of double digit percentage, He had a four year higher
Speaker 2: hard hit rate. Again, so like that's really really good.
Speaker 2: Chase rates a little bit high, his own contacts a
Speaker 2: little bit low. But I think with that hard hit profile,
Speaker 2: do you have his projection? I'm gonna guess it is
Speaker 2: like two sixty five twenty eight homers with ten stolen bases.
Speaker 3: Two sixty three excuse me, to sixty one nineteen homers,
Speaker 3: eight stolen bases.
Speaker 4: Give me upside.
Speaker 2: I'm apply I like upside for Jordan Westburg there he
Speaker 2: will probably also be on a lot of my teams.
Speaker 3: Just both that you gotta but you're not gonna have
Speaker 3: all of these third bags, all of them, just saying,
Speaker 3: especially all these top ten third baseman.
Speaker 4: But it's clear you like picking out of this group. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't mind that.
Speaker 2: And this is kind of back to the strategy of
Speaker 2: the position where it's like, hey, if I can do
Speaker 2: other stuff early on, I could take you know, an outfielder,
Speaker 2: I can take a picture, I can take an infield
Speaker 2: I could do a couple of things. And then if
Speaker 2: my third base ends up becoming a guy like Vantos
Speaker 2: or Westburgh out there, like just coming to the top
Speaker 2: one hundred, I'm I'm gucci, I'm good. I'm totally good.
Speaker 2: Next guy up is Royce Lewis, who had a lot
Speaker 2: of upside for a lot of people. Did his home
Speaker 2: run thing again, it slowed down. He did hit sixteen homers,
Speaker 2: which was a career high, but he again could not
Speaker 2: surpass three hundred at bats in a season. He only
Speaker 2: hit two thirty three this go round. The batting average
Speaker 2: really sunk. Expected batting average was a little bit higher.
Speaker 2: The swampage kind of all over the board. Some of
Speaker 2: the I think the average is not supported. But he
Speaker 2: had a good barrel rate, incredible launch angle, gets the
Speaker 2: ball in the air. The problem is he doesn't tap
Speaker 2: into consistency thirty seven percent, hard hit rate stinks, eighty
Speaker 2: seven average X velocity not good. And he's very injury prone.
Speaker 2: So those are a couple of the takeaways with royce Lewis.
Speaker 2: The cream has been cut.
Speaker 4: Off the top.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think you know me
Speaker 3: in the way that I draft, I just I will
Speaker 3: have no shares of royce Lewis. I cannot take a
Speaker 3: player that doesn't play. It drives me insane. You know,
Speaker 3: It's just something the older I get, the more entrenched
Speaker 3: into this I get.
Speaker 4: But you know he was.
Speaker 3: He was way worse than the second half coming back
Speaker 3: off the injuries as well, two ninety two in the
Speaker 3: first half, two of seven in the second half. The
Speaker 3: quad and groin injuries. Also might be getting a move
Speaker 3: of positions. They've talked about a little bit of maybe
Speaker 3: moving in the second He played I think two games
Speaker 3: at the end of the season there, and they've been
Speaker 3: sniffing around, you know, like Alex Bregman in a couple
Speaker 3: of third base options as well. So I just don't
Speaker 3: think I'm going to be rostering Royce Lewis. Is that
Speaker 3: at this point? Is that a fair take or is
Speaker 3: this a Bogmann is an old man? There's too much
Speaker 3: upside for royce Lewis take.
Speaker 2: I think based on the players he's around, it's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that he doesn't cost what he did in
Speaker 2: the past, right, but we're this is the eighth third
Speaker 2: baseman on this board here so far, and he's still
Speaker 2: sandwich between guys with a bunch of upside.
Speaker 4: I really don't ride around pick so.
Speaker 2: I still think like he's just still trying to figure
Speaker 2: it all out. Like I'm looking at his uh swing metrics.
Speaker 2: He's got a long swing that's fast. It's like it's
Speaker 2: quite a bit above average seventy one point five. Average
Speaker 2: is the average bat speed, it's seventy three point three.
Speaker 2: But usually what you like to see are like smaller swings.
Speaker 2: It's seven point seven, which is quite long. And the
Speaker 2: reason I say this is like I see this unique
Speaker 2: thing going on where you know, the the fast swings
Speaker 2: or sometimes you'll see these like longer swings that are slow,
Speaker 2: and that gets the secondary pitches to keep the bat
Speaker 2: in the zone, and then you're gonna see these shorter
Speaker 2: swings with like high velocity.
Speaker 4: So it's just to destroy.
Speaker 2: He's got this long swing that he pitches really high,
Speaker 2: and he struggles against forcene fastballs, but then he's good
Speaker 2: against some secondary stuff, so and he gets the ball
Speaker 2: in the air too, by the way, and then you
Speaker 2: kind of come back to like, he's not hitting it
Speaker 2: super hard. I wonder if that's kind of a swing
Speaker 2: mechanism that he wants to be able to cheat for
Speaker 2: some secondary stuff. He only hit two or three against
Speaker 2: four scene with a two to eleven expected batting average.
Speaker 2: It's not great, so I wonder if he's still learning
Speaker 2: the pitch type of who he is. He has a
Speaker 2: good zone contact rate, a horrifically bad chase rate. I
Speaker 2: would throw out there, But I see Royce Lewis as
Speaker 2: a thirty homer guy if he plays a full season.
Speaker 2: I just don't trust the batting average. I think it
Speaker 2: might be like two forty five thirty homers if he
Speaker 2: could play a full season, but I'm not sold that
Speaker 2: he can. And I just feel like you can get
Speaker 2: similar upside to a lot of the players that he's around.
Speaker 2: So I'm probably a little bit of a pass on
Speaker 2: his cost as well, just if we're we are taking
Speaker 2: talking about ranks, But I just see these mechanisms of
Speaker 2: like I'm not sure I can't quantify exactly who he is.
Speaker 3: Like the batman he goes on a heater and is
Speaker 3: the best player in baseball for two weeks last two years.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's awesome, But like he has lower contact rates,
Speaker 2: a squared up in blast because it's a longer swing,
Speaker 2: but it's fast and he doesn't hit fastballs really well,
Speaker 2: and the long swing probably speaks to second. Like it's
Speaker 2: all these things that mix around that that tiles me like, oh,
Speaker 2: that is a guy that's going to lock into some inconsistency.
Speaker 3: They got him at two fifty two, twenty six homers,
Speaker 3: six dole bases, sixty nine runs, and seventy six rbi,
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty four games.
Speaker 2: What was batting average two fifty two. It's solid, it's decent.
Speaker 2: I mean, compare them, you know, when you're comparing against
Speaker 2: the other guys. There's a couple others on the back
Speaker 2: end here, Junior Camenaro, so camin Aro has a smaller
Speaker 2: sample size for us to work from. He ended up
Speaker 2: having like one hundred and sixty five at bats, hit
Speaker 2: six homers two forty eight. Obviously was a monster in
Speaker 2: the miners or the great batting average things to here
Speaker 2: eleven point eight percent barrel, forty five percent hard hit rate.
Speaker 2: Those two screamed to me. He did not get the
Speaker 2: ball in the air, very common of rookies, not worried
Speaker 2: about it. Expected batting average is lower though his strikeout
Speaker 2: rate was only twenty one percent, but the expected is
Speaker 2: quite a bit lower. I think because of just maybe
Speaker 2: overall inconsistent hitting. But just want to come back here.
Speaker 2: Twenty three pitch types. He saw the most sinkers, sliders,
Speaker 2: and then foreseen fastballs. He hit under and had an
Speaker 2: XBA under two hundred. Both sinkers and sliders. He hit
Speaker 2: three sixty one against fastballs. He was legit only a
Speaker 2: four seam fastball hitter, So that's not a true fastball
Speaker 2: hitter four seam fastballs, so he's got to just progress.
Speaker 4: Overall.
Speaker 2: He could not pull the ball, and that might just
Speaker 2: be you know, his young dude learning into his game.
Speaker 2: But I think the raw tools are there, and we've
Speaker 2: seen it in the minor league just overall levels. You know,
Speaker 2: like him shine and not strike out and hit the
Speaker 2: ball really really hard. He's gotten insanely fast swing. It's
Speaker 2: one of the fastest in the league. But eight point
Speaker 2: three length, that's one of that's Nolan Aronado bad. So
Speaker 2: that's like we're getting back to Royce Lewis stuff like
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I mean, it's so fast. I
Speaker 2: think he's making up for a little bit more. He's
Speaker 2: just got to learn to hit. He's gonna get tested
Speaker 2: this year if you're only hitting four seams.
Speaker 3: I mean, west Bergen and Royce Lewis are old men
Speaker 3: compared to Camon Arrow twenty one years old.
Speaker 4: So we're just we're just simple men, and we're just
Speaker 4: simple men women.
Speaker 3: Also, like he did have I mean, he only had
Speaker 3: twenty six at bats first lefties, but he hit three
Speaker 3: forty six against him two thirty verst righties. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, to your point, he's figuring it out. You're
Speaker 3: gonna have wild inconsistencies from a guy this young and
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out, especially trying to figure it
Speaker 3: out at major league level. So probably should have been
Speaker 3: up way earlier to get more experience. So it's not
Speaker 3: all a feeling out process this year, but such his life,
Speaker 3: he just didn't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said something really important that I just want
Speaker 2: to harkun for one second is that I'm not gonna like, actually,
Speaker 2: even though I gave it to you guys, I personally
Speaker 2: I'm not going to like read too much into like
Speaker 2: what he did against sinkers and sliders and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: or you know, chase rate was high, and I'm not
Speaker 2: going to actually hyper focus on that because I think
Speaker 2: there's so much change that happens when now you're going
Speaker 2: to spend an off season with the major league camp
Speaker 2: and hitters and analysis of swing and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: What I care about are the fundamentals. And the fundamentals
Speaker 2: are there's great barrel, there's really good hard hit. He's
Speaker 2: not striking out a ton, and as he makes and
Speaker 2: he had a one to sixteen point three max ev
Speaker 2: as he learns, he's just he's going to make much
Speaker 2: better contact. And I think he legit can be a
Speaker 2: two seventy twenty five to thirty home run guy. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not sure there's any more risk
Speaker 2: with Camonaro or Royce Lewis the next three going a
Speaker 2: little bit quicker. Jake Berger has definitely moved up the board,
Speaker 2: really high percentiles, hit twenty nine homers. He's the modern
Speaker 2: day Chris Davis. Cha Chris Davis. Three straight years of
Speaker 2: two point fifty straight just two fifty, not like T
Speaker 2: fifty one. He's hit three straight years of hitting two fifty.
Speaker 4: He's not the worst contract in baseball history. Come on, no,
Speaker 4: you're thinking of Orioles, Chris Stags. Oh I am, I
Speaker 4: am Davis. I'm talking k.
Speaker 2: Ris Davis where he hit two forty eight for like
Speaker 2: four straight years. Berger really great percentiles, big pull stuff
Speaker 2: twelve percent, burial forty six percent, hard hit rate, love it,
Speaker 2: gets the ball in the air, consistently does it, and
Speaker 2: has an expected batting average that is a little bit
Speaker 2: higher than his batting average. Just kind of smashes the ball.
Speaker 2: He's on a kind of a crappy team, but he
Speaker 2: upped his own percentage, lowered his chase rate, and has
Speaker 2: really great metrics. I think it's hard to not like
Speaker 2: Jake Berger, or at least envision. He's a two fifty
Speaker 2: to thirty home run guy, just on a poor team
Speaker 2: with runs and RBI.
Speaker 3: Right, So you know first half, second half, massive splits.
Speaker 3: Two twenty five in the first half, two seventy nine
Speaker 3: in the second half. Nineteen homers in the second half
Speaker 3: were the fourth most in baseball. Is ISO spiked from
Speaker 3: one forty four to two eighty three in the second
Speaker 3: half as well. Just remember he came back and just
Speaker 3: started nuking baseballs.
Speaker 4: He was launching them.
Speaker 3: So uh, you know, great second half for him, big
Speaker 3: spike in production. But like you said, you know, Jazz left.
Speaker 4: Just not a lot in that Marlins lineup outside of Jake.
Speaker 2: Berger also struggled at home. By the way, I only
Speaker 2: hit two twenty seven at home, two seventy three on
Speaker 2: the road. So yeah, you know that the home ball
Speaker 2: park taking away with not a.
Speaker 4: Round the trade would be very nice for Jake Burger.
Speaker 2: Burger's like I think I was solid, Like, oh, I
Speaker 2: need to up my homers a little bit more.
Speaker 4: I wish he was a little bit cheaper.
Speaker 2: His NFBC is like one thirty or one twenty five,
Speaker 2: so I could maybe take a little bit more off
Speaker 2: of that. But Burger seems relatively sold and he's in
Speaker 2: this weird Like I say, he's in that weird group
Speaker 2: of Like now you're pairing him with you know, Royce
Speaker 2: Lewis and Cameron Arrow, he's kind of safe the other
Speaker 2: two that are in here. Matt Chapman fantastic year, twenty
Speaker 2: seven homers, career high, fifteen stolen bases, hit two forty seven, savant,
Speaker 2: kind of across the board, one of the highest average
Speaker 2: exx velocities in the league, twelve percent barrel, forty eight
Speaker 2: percent hard hit rate. Those are phenomenal, sixteen degree launch angle.
Speaker 2: Those three things equal pure raw power. And he has
Speaker 2: an expected batting average of two fifty which supports all
Speaker 2: of that. So those are just huge, huge positives. His
Speaker 2: overall hard hit went down quite a bit, but he
Speaker 2: was making better quality of contact, I believe, and his
Speaker 2: K percentage dramatically down. So you know, he just found
Speaker 2: it in a ballpark that is not a hit or
Speaker 2: friendly environment. He just found consistency. And you know, this
Speaker 2: would be one of those takes where you know, like
Speaker 2: above is screaming at me about Willia Damas, you could
Speaker 2: look at Chapman and look at ballpark factors and be like, eh,
Speaker 2: Jobman was great, Like Chapman is a deal.
Speaker 3: I think he's my favorite deal among the third basemen
Speaker 3: that we've talked about so far. And you know, it's
Speaker 3: he had a big spike in ISO in the second
Speaker 3: half seventeen or one seventy six first half to eighty
Speaker 3: one in the second half. Thirteen homers in three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty eight bats in the first half and fourteen
Speaker 3: homers in two hundred and seventeen at bats in the
Speaker 3: second half, so he really kind of found it in
Speaker 3: the second half as well. Like you said, career high
Speaker 3: and stolen bases projections are pretty nice to him as well.
Speaker 3: H two forty two, he's a career two forty one,
Speaker 3: so right around his career twenty four bombs, nine stolen bases,
Speaker 3: which would be his second highest total if he did
Speaker 3: regress by six. Uh So, Yeah, I think Chapman is
Speaker 3: the best value among the third basemen now we've talked
Speaker 3: about right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not a liability as like he had
Speaker 2: two forty five against sliders this year, which is solid.
Speaker 2: So again, like that's you're becoming more of a whole hitter,
Speaker 2: would be a.
Speaker 4: Way to say it.
Speaker 2: The three pitch types he saw more than ten percent
Speaker 2: of the time. He never hit under two forty five,
Speaker 2: So I mean that's that's that's a stabilization that you
Speaker 2: want to see. He does clearly absolutely murder fastballs, both
Speaker 2: over fifty percent hard hit rate, but overall, like he
Speaker 2: doesn't have a hard hit rate under thirty seven percent
Speaker 2: against any pitch, and those two are only sliders and
Speaker 2: split fingers. Everything else is like forty percent or high,
Speaker 2: so it's all hit hard.
Speaker 4: He lowered his.
Speaker 2: K percentage quality of contact. You know, he took advantage
Speaker 2: of a maybe a more difficult ballpark to hit in.
Speaker 2: And I would say this last thing, he's expected homer
Speaker 2: in total was only one less, Like you would worry
Speaker 2: if that was three or four less in that ballpark.
Speaker 4: It wasn't.
Speaker 2: So quality of contact is really good to your point.
Speaker 2: The other last one where I think he Chapman is
Speaker 2: a deal as well, but also Alex Bregman. Alex Bregman
Speaker 2: is coming in at third baseman twelve at one forty one,
Speaker 2: hit twenty six homers with three stolen bases last year
Speaker 2: to sixty batting average. He has had a point zero
Speaker 2: three differential between batting average for three.
Speaker 4: Straight years, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: He's a league average hitter across the board, barrel ex
Speaker 2: of veloscia, the things that I love to talk about.
Speaker 4: It's all just average.
Speaker 2: He squares the ball up, doesn't chase, doesn't whift, doesn't
Speaker 2: strike out, speaks more to points leagues. That's great, gets
Speaker 2: the ball in the freaking air. He optimized hitting in
Speaker 2: Houston to the umph degree. But he's a good quality hitter.
Speaker 2: So the question might become where does he end up
Speaker 2: going and play. There's rumors are a million different places
Speaker 2: he could play. I want him to be in a
Speaker 2: hitter friendly environment. It's almost like this is a bad example.
Speaker 2: Look at Estock Praties and Yessock Praties was in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: He was able to pull the ball and use that
Speaker 2: left field to his advantage, and you go to Chicago
Speaker 2: where you couldn't do that anymore.
Speaker 4: Struggle.
Speaker 2: If Bregman homers with the Cubs, Yeah, if he goes
Speaker 2: to a ballpark where he's going to struggle right handed,
Speaker 2: just home run factors, you now might be looking at it.
Speaker 2: Bregman who hits nineteen twenty homers, he's becoming Alec Bohm
Speaker 2: or something like that. But I think there's a good
Speaker 2: floor with Bregman up in points leagues. I think he's
Speaker 2: just cheap, and maybe it's the old man getting in
Speaker 2: me where I talked about in short supper. He's kind
Speaker 2: of like the sheet. I kind of like Bregman, Like
Speaker 2: I like some of these boring guys that are coming
Speaker 2: really really cheap. So I think Chapman and Bregman specifically
Speaker 2: or two that stand out to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm way more on Chapman
Speaker 3: than I am on Bregman because I do fear the
Speaker 3: loss of power for Bregman. Sixteen homers at home, ten
Speaker 3: on the road they have the Crawford boxes there. He
Speaker 3: pulls the ball a lot like I just I do
Speaker 3: worry about the power for Bregman if he ends up
Speaker 3: not back in Houston.
Speaker 4: So that's the thing that concerns me.
Speaker 3: He did have you know, some splits here as well,
Speaker 3: two seventy four verses to twenty four vers lefties. The
Speaker 3: ISO spiked almost one hundred points from first half to
Speaker 3: second half. Again, another guy that hit more homers in
Speaker 3: the second half than he did in the first half,
Speaker 3: twelve in three hundred and sixty seven at bats in
Speaker 3: the first half two hundred and fourteen at bats in
Speaker 3: the second half for fourteen homers. So kind of surprising
Speaker 3: the stuff that happens there in the second half. Did
Speaker 3: they change the baseballs in the second half, by the way,
Speaker 3: I wasn't looking for that. They didn't, But there was
Speaker 3: a big spike for a lot of these guys in
Speaker 3: the second half after they kind of just figured how
Speaker 3: guys are pitching them this season.
Speaker 2: Dude, this is the wildest one. So I'd like to
Speaker 2: look at the just occasionally the expected home runs for
Speaker 2: ballpark we always know. We look at Cincinnati and you
Speaker 2: can see what would be incredible thirty six homers vreas
Speaker 2: various projected homers if he had hit played every game
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. But this is that's not what I'm here
Speaker 2: to tell here. I was looking to be like, would
Speaker 2: he hit over twenty in most ballparks? For the most part,
Speaker 2: there's a couple that are just under twenty, like Cleveland
Speaker 2: is eighteen, the A's or nineteen. Again, this is a
Speaker 2: bad metric because it's like every single game but Marlins
Speaker 2: we know or not good Burger nineteen.
Speaker 4: But check this out.
Speaker 2: So Cincinnati is the most Baltimore he would project for
Speaker 2: thirteen homers because of the wall, and he pulls the ball,
Speaker 2: that's well, they're actually making it more hit or friends.
Speaker 3: I know left now it's not going to get it
Speaker 3: as a hold the ball, so good he.
Speaker 2: Actually well, actually, you know what, that's funny. His poll
Speaker 2: rate's low, but all his homers are pullside, so that
Speaker 2: would not be good this year. It would be good now.
Speaker 2: But that's just a wild number in there.
Speaker 4: He's one of those guys it kind of does matter.
Speaker 2: A little bit if you're caring about the home run
Speaker 2: projection because I think we we're.
Speaker 4: Hitting Minnesota because I know that who's.
Speaker 2: Been in Minnesota?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what were his projected bombs in many you have?
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty nine, So it's actually it is too less
Speaker 2: than Houston overall. That is one of the highest that's
Speaker 2: out there. So it's just one of those guys where
Speaker 2: it's like, if he's a twenty homer guy, then you
Speaker 2: are taking some of that upside off where I would
Speaker 2: rather Chapman. But if I'm in a decent ballpark, I'll
Speaker 2: take my chance because I think Bregman is just a
Speaker 2: top four pitch types. He hit two forty or higher,
Speaker 2: like he's a great hitter, doesn't strike out, gonna score runs,
Speaker 2: and I like if he's on like a good offensive team,
Speaker 2: that's where the core kind of stops of third base.
Speaker 2: But back to my point, I think you're looking at
Speaker 2: from the elite elite of Joseier Ramirez, but then you
Speaker 2: look at two to twelve not saying there, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying Alex Bregman is to Jazz Chisholm, but I'm also
Speaker 2: saying or Chaz Jism. But I'm also saying, like, that's
Speaker 2: a meaty core of that position that I think you
Speaker 2: could do some stuff with that goes from twenty five
Speaker 2: to one forty in ADP.
Speaker 4: Things start to fall off a bit though.
Speaker 3: After that, I've got a couple more splits. You want
Speaker 3: me to run through them before we end here?
Speaker 4: For well, yeah, I want to talk about a few
Speaker 4: more of these guys real quick. Now. For these guys
Speaker 4: are for Bregman, No, they're for this group here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I want to hit on a couple of these players.
Speaker 2: The next three, by the way, are Luis Rangifo, Alec Bohm,
Speaker 2: and Eohaneo swore As. Gino Suarez are the next that
Speaker 2: come up. I think Gino and Boem specifically are really fascinating.
Speaker 2: Do you have some splits on them, Yes.
Speaker 3: Big ones for Boom one to eighty seven io in
Speaker 3: the first half, eleven homers in four and two have
Speaker 3: bats one thirty one in the second half only four bombs,
Speaker 3: So uh, just lost all of the power in the
Speaker 3: second half. I know the White Sox have been trying
Speaker 3: to get him. For Suarez, he was on the opposite end.
Speaker 3: I mean, remember we were talking about Jay and the
Speaker 3: broadcast was talking about how he was going to be
Speaker 3: released before the All Star Game. Started to pick it
Speaker 3: up right before the All Star Game. Two sixteen in
Speaker 3: the first half for three ho seven in the second half,
Speaker 3: and also his twenty second half homers were first among
Speaker 3: third and when they were third in baseball behind only
Speaker 3: Otani and Judge, and he is tied with Anthony Santander.
Speaker 3: So uh, we saw the huge resurgence for Suarez. If
Speaker 3: we get a season like he had in the second half,
Speaker 3: he's gonna hit fifty bombs. We're not going to get
Speaker 3: that because it's a long season, but he is a
Speaker 3: great source of power, so Suarez, so on.
Speaker 2: Both of those guys really unique here Suarez upped his
Speaker 2: zone contact percentage by six percent, went from seventy five
Speaker 2: the year before to eighty one percent. That's very impressive.
Speaker 2: That's like league average because that's something that he can
Speaker 2: struggle with. His chase rate did go up a tiny bit.
Speaker 4: He hit fastballs really well, but.
Speaker 2: He's very supported on it. Changeups were something that he
Speaker 2: could definitely get to curveballs. So I guess the way
Speaker 2: to put it is he is he does really well
Speaker 2: with north and south.
Speaker 4: The east and west type of.
Speaker 2: Pitches are where his struggle is so sweeper sliders. So
Speaker 2: if you pitch him north and south, whether it's offspeed
Speaker 2: or not, he did a really good job at it.
Speaker 2: I tend to think with the hitter friendly environment, he
Speaker 2: pulled the ball a lot more. It works really well
Speaker 2: for Gino. I think Gina's a sneaky power source I
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 4: Love, but like he just doesn't hit for pie Cut.
Speaker 2: I always think back to my interview with him where
Speaker 2: he's just like he hated analytics. He doesn't care to
Speaker 2: his credit. You know, have a high batting average. He
Speaker 2: has a two eighty eight expected batting average man with
Speaker 2: a low k percentage. He's a points League dude. He
Speaker 2: is a more valuable third base points league guy. But
Speaker 2: we're getting into this space now where it's like, dude
Speaker 2: has forty eight homers combined over three seasons. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can play with the averages that is under twenty
Speaker 2: homers per season, and that doesn't work well for that position.
Speaker 2: He's also not put in prime spots. I mean, he
Speaker 2: played with the freaking Phillies and he scored sixty two runs.
Speaker 2: You know, so if you're hitting six or seven or
Speaker 2: something like that, I don't like it. Now, if you
Speaker 2: were to be traded to Seattle and you were to
Speaker 2: hit two, that could maybe change the game up. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind that. Get on base for Julio Rodriguez. You know,
Speaker 2: you're not striking the entire year. Yeah, but you might
Speaker 2: score one hundred runs and you could hit two ninety.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna hit any homers. Yeah, to your point,
Speaker 2: But BOM is kind of tricky, and I'm done falling
Speaker 2: too far into it.
Speaker 4: I think that's conditional right over BOOM. I think you should.
Speaker 3: I think BOM is conditional, Like you have to have
Speaker 3: a just an enormous you already have to have homers
Speaker 3: in the bag.
Speaker 4: If you're drafting Alex Bohm and you need batting average.
Speaker 3: That's basically what it boils down to with drafting Bom
Speaker 3: is you have to already know that you have extra
Speaker 3: power at other positions to draft this guy for him
Speaker 3: to help you in your.
Speaker 4: You know, in your batting average.
Speaker 3: I think that's what he is, and that is the
Speaker 3: only scenario where you can draft him, which makes him
Speaker 3: a conditional player. You have to already have made up
Speaker 3: for those power seats you are going to lose by
Speaker 3: drafting Alec Bohm.
Speaker 2: I think we might have talked about him because he
Speaker 2: qualifies the two positions, but just you know, ring Gifo
Speaker 2: is in here. But I think we talked about him
Speaker 2: in another position because he qualifies like two spots. He's
Speaker 2: you can go back and listen. I think that was
Speaker 2: in the second base one Aeronato. I'm just not into
Speaker 2: it is a horrifically bad profile. Barrel percentage was three percent.
Speaker 2: Those are the type of hitters that hit eight homers.
Speaker 3: Biggest splits, I mean two thirty four vers lefties, two
Speaker 3: eighty four vers righties, Rio seven at home, two thirty
Speaker 3: nine away, big big splits for Ernado. They did I
Speaker 3: saw today The Cardinals allowed him in his team to
Speaker 3: look for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to be on a new team, like
Speaker 2: and if he goes to the Dodgers, then you just
Speaker 2: like give him an extra boost to like potential home
Speaker 2: run you know, like or like RBI opportunities. If he
Speaker 2: goes to New York, maybe it's a little hitter friendly environment.
Speaker 2: The problem is is from a profile perspective, hard hit
Speaker 2: rate was the lowest of his career, average x velocity
Speaker 2: lowest of his career, barrel percentage lowest of his career. Okay,
Speaker 2: expect a batting average lowest in three years. He still
Speaker 2: gets the ball in the air if he's a two
Speaker 2: fifty hitter, but he doesn't make quality contact. By the way,
Speaker 2: I know this doesn't matter to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: It's one of the longest wings in baseball, and it's
Speaker 2: slow as hell. It is below like cam and Arra,
Speaker 2: so one of the fastest in baseball swings, and it's
Speaker 2: really long aeronauto it's below average, and it's eight point
Speaker 2: two in length. That is wildly long. So I just
Speaker 2: don't like his hitting profile.
Speaker 4: Could he be a two sixty.
Speaker 2: Twenty home run guy? Yeah, but it's average the positive,
Speaker 2: it's post two hundred price for it. So like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, there might be a place for him on
Speaker 2: the right team, But I don't love Nolan Aernato, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be like, well, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to take blah blah blah because Aeronato no way, absolutely
Speaker 2: no way, and kind of the same thing. It's a
Speaker 2: little bit on the end. Verse is Josh Young. I
Speaker 2: just I don't think I care too much about He
Speaker 2: has hit two sixty two straight years, missed a bunch
Speaker 2: of time again this past year. His profile nine point
Speaker 2: nine barrel. It's okay, super bad, hard hit, strikes out
Speaker 2: a bunch, gets the ball in the air. XBA is
Speaker 2: two forty one, so it's it's under overperformed. I guess
Speaker 2: you would call it. But he doesn't walk, so he
Speaker 2: doesn't get on base a lot. He has a strikeout problem.
Speaker 4: He's got league average quality type of issues.
Speaker 2: I don't love him. Yeah, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say one thing for Jase Young is that
Speaker 3: he he had he had the risk surgery, and then
Speaker 3: he came back, and then he had a second rist
Speaker 3: surgery after the season was over. So Josh Young, I think,
Speaker 3: I said, Chase Young, but to your point, but but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I do think like maybe there's a little
Speaker 3: bit there for him to like if he even falls
Speaker 3: out of this group and falls a little bit lower.
Speaker 3: Now we're getting to the point where it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: I'll take a flyer and just see if the risk
Speaker 3: was the main problem.
Speaker 2: Next I have him above Aernado though I do.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're not sinking him. You're just not interested
Speaker 3: in drafting him right now. He's not at the price
Speaker 3: point to where you would take him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Apologies because it's not meant to be ranks and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, but like, yeah, to your point, I should
Speaker 2: can that are a little bit more with Josh Young
Speaker 2: that this might be one of those guys where you
Speaker 2: have to scrap a lot of stuff. But I guess
Speaker 2: the thing I get hung up on is like, did
Speaker 2: that risk risk make him a bad strikeout option? Like,
Speaker 2: I guess he improved the year over year, it could
Speaker 2: have hurt his hard hit. He did barrel okay, and
Speaker 2: he got the ball in the air, So maybe those
Speaker 2: are positives. He still doesn't walk though.
Speaker 4: This has nothing to do with swing decisions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he didn't do really great on non fastball stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess curveball, sweepers he actually did perform
Speaker 2: really well on. He stucked with change ups, So I mean,
Speaker 2: there's actually a better hitting profile than maybe I'm giving
Speaker 2: it credit for sliders and change ups were his enemy.
Speaker 2: Everything else he did decent about that maybe, And his
Speaker 2: poll rate was twenty nine percent, that might have been
Speaker 2: a risk thing like you just couldn't run over. Maybe
Speaker 2: swinging decisions were more more about that, you know what,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two he had a forty seven percent poll rate.
Speaker 2: It was twenty nine point eight this past year. So
Speaker 2: maybe you know, being able to pull over the ball.
Speaker 2: If he gets back to a forty five percent poll
Speaker 2: rate or forty percent poll rate, maybe the any barrels, Okay,
Speaker 2: the hard hit numbers come up, Josh Young Knight have
Speaker 2: a little bit of bounce back. Could you tell me
Speaker 2: real quick what his projections are. I'm very curious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me pull him up here. I didn't have him, and.
Speaker 2: He's essentially like the last guy because there's other names
Speaker 2: that are out there, Max Munsey, maybe I'll do a
Speaker 2: quick little thing on but that's essentially it for the
Speaker 2: breakdowns of these guys, the main guys. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take a guess real quick on Joshuamp I'm gonna guess
Speaker 2: two fifty five twenty four homers and that's all that matters.
Speaker 4: Here, two forty seven and twenty three, So right in
Speaker 4: the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: In the neighborhood of that, Like, I guess I would
Speaker 2: take that there's upside and the wrist held him down
Speaker 2: than I would banking on aeronauto bouncing back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they probably belong in a different realm.
Speaker 3: Just so you know, I had Estoc Brady's out here
Speaker 3: to call him out on the power that you already mentioned.
Speaker 3: It was sixteen homers in one hundred and one games
Speaker 3: with Tampa Bay and three homers in fifty two with
Speaker 3: the Cup. So that was the big difference in bombs
Speaker 3: for Esac that you were talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's pretty low. He's like twenty second or
Speaker 2: third baseman. He's still draftable at two seventy one, but
Speaker 2: the cut he really got suppressed. And also like he's
Speaker 2: horrific bad numbers, Like he gets the like twenty degree
Speaker 2: launch angle, but it's like crappy barrel, crappy, hard to
Speaker 2: hit like that ballpark doesn't let him get by. And
Speaker 2: the only other one you know, Max Munsey is just
Speaker 2: like a fascinating dude who's you know, solid barrel, hard
Speaker 2: left it can't hit lefties, low batting average always his
Speaker 2: XBA was two twenty nine. Like him or Aeronauto.
Speaker 4: I'd rather have Aeronaudo.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Monthy. Maybe Eronaudo goes to New York.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know the little hitter from the envit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think that Aeronaudo is definitely gonna end
Speaker 4: up in a better spot, but it's such a different position,
Speaker 4: like top twelve.
Speaker 2: We could talk about all this like there's upside and
Speaker 2: bounce back and then it's like you turn over to
Speaker 2: thirteen and you're taking ri like Ring Gifo. I like
Speaker 2: him for stolen bases, bom a points league guy swore Az,
Speaker 2: I think is maybe one of the more balanced players.
Speaker 2: There's some upside with the young but then it kind
Speaker 2: of falls apart and then you're just taking some shots
Speaker 2: later at the position. Guys like Connor Norby. Ryan McMahon
Speaker 2: is always kind of interesting when you get into his profile,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he was bad in the second half exactly,
Speaker 2: and there's just not a whole lot to bank on
Speaker 2: outside of if you know, if Kobe Mayo gets a
Speaker 2: starting job or Matt Shaw and he qualifies a third,
Speaker 2: those guys would kind of bounce back. But that is
Speaker 2: third base in a nutshell.
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