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intriguing matchup coming up here for the WBC Interim Junior
Middleweight Championship, Virgil Ortiz and Ericson Lubin Ortez, known as
a big time knockout guy. We've known Lubin for some
some big time the Hammer for some big time shows
with premier boxing champions. This is a Golden Boy de
Zonne show from Fort Worth and as we head into
this weekend, it's the most prominent main event fight. Give
me more on this one as we build towards Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a really good fight, TJ. This is
this is one of those kind of fights in terms
of my expectations for a pretty good action where you're like,
you know what, I gotta make sure I'm watching that
one live because it's that kind of fight they're in.
As we've discussed over the last several weeks, probably the
best division of boxing right now in terms of the depth,
maybe not in terms of the names and the superstars,
but in terms of the depth of talent in the
weight class between these two guys and others, whether it's
you know, Fondora Thurman unfortunately was postponed with those guys,
and you've got Xander's Ice about to announce his next time,
his first title defense. You have Baker Martez Lee of
getting ready to fight Josh Kelly. He's an excellent fighter. Also,
both those guys are top you know, good contenders and
or champions. I mean, so it's a it's a very
loaded weight class and this is one of those fights
that fits into that batch of top ten guys. And
we've also had the recent addition to the division just
a few weeks ago of Jeron Boutsenniz coming up, and
his name will be I'm sure mentioned probably about I
don't know ten thousand times on Saturdays broadcast because besides
the outstanding matchup that's taking place between Virgil Ortiz and
Lubin is another storyline, which is that, as has been
discussed over the past month or so since Ennis came
into the Way class and scored a first round knockout
in a walkover fight which Virgil Artis does not have
a walkover fight, is that if Virgil Ortiz is the
winner of his fight with Lubin, that there is the
high probability that Golden Boy and Matroom will make the
fight between Ortiz and Ennis that would take place in
the early part of next year. And so Eddie Hearn
has been out there saying him and you know, Eddie's
in the United States because he had his show recently
in the Right and so I guess he's stuck around
and they are going he boots are going to be
supposedly ringside for this fight. Obviously they're they're all working
on his own together and they want to be there
to see what happens and and uh, you know, presumably
be in the ring and call out the winner, especially
if it's virtual Ortis. So from that standpoint that that's
to me that that's sort of like the best part
of the scheduling of boxing is where you have a
really good fight right there ready to go and we're
all set to watch on Saturday, but knowing that if
at least if one of the guys wins and no injuries,
et cetera, that there's a good chance that he's gonna
fight an even bigger fight, which is against Ennis. So
that's exciting, But in terms of him and Lubin, look,
it's the hell of a fight. Virgil Ortiz was, uh,
you know, a top prospect at one hundred and forty
pounds a number of years ago, eventually move up, moved
up to welterweight. We know his his problems in terms
of his health and making weight. The blood disorder that
he had that was causing problems that messed up his schedule.
Speaker 1: Are you are you going to try the official name
of the blood disorder? You're gonna go with the nickname Rambo?
Wasn't it? Rambo was the like, So that's not alone, right,
but that was the nickname, right of the blood disorder.
And it affected him a couple of times, and we're
not making light of it. It hospitalized him, and it
is fair to say it has been in the past,
calling into question his career and his longevity. But he
seems didn't we get to like the fight week of
the fight with Stanionis, right, and it cropped up again.
So right now as you and I do this Thursday
night into.
Speaker 2: Friday, that that was that was a wait issuere not
that blad.
Speaker 1: I understand, but it also cropped up with the UH
with the standards and one of those right on the
He's been ever since, he's been good with the blood
disorder to this point.
Speaker 2: But then the main point I'm trying to make here though,
is in twenty twenty two, it fucked up the second
half of his year. He didn't fight it all. In
twenty twenty three, right, he had missed the fight with
Stanionis because of the weight and perhaps partly because of
the blood situation, and then he started anew. He came
back at junior middleweight and ever since then there hasn't
been any issues. He's looked fine. He's had a very
consistent schedule. He fought three times in twenty twenty four,
he fought once already earlier this year. He'll fight his
second time against Lubin on on Saturday, and he's looked terrific.
So at junior middleweight. You know, he had a couple
of soft touches, I grant you, and a lot of
people get on his case about that because of the
way I got on Bootennis's case, But to me, there's
a massive difference. He was coming off of a year
and a half layoff after having serious serious medical issues
and having not fought at that weight, and so he
was like, all right, let me take this fight. And
he got a first round knockout against Frederick Lawson. And
then the Thomas DeLorme fight, which was the next fight,
was certainly he was a huge favorite, but I don't
think anybody really expected a first round knockout. He just
caught him and knocked him out. But ever since then,
the two fights post the two introduction fights to the
Way class, he has had solid, tough fights, gone the
distance in both of them against two legit times ten contenders.
He had an absolute war against Sir hey Boachuk that
was in August of twenty twenty four. He got knocked
down twice in that fight, first time to my understanding,
he'd been down in his whole career. But he did
enough to win the fight on a close call. I
thought he deserved. The fight was a tremendous battle, a
super fight, fight of the Year type candidate. Came back
fought Israel Madromov in the next fight. That was the
fight in February of this year, another good victory for
him that was also competitive, but certainly he was the
winner of the fight. That one took place in Saudi Arabia,
and it was.
Speaker 1: By the way, while you're here and you're making mention
of that fight, and I know you gave the whole
spin about boots In thiss and moving up and being ringside.
That's the fight we could have had drinking February, and
boots In has screwed that whole thing up and then
tried to spin it and then talked out of every
side of his mouth about being unified and undisputed at
welterweight and then moved up one fight later to junior middleweight. Anyway,
but now, but Ortiz took care of his part and
took care of his business in February, and now here
we are with this one.
Speaker 2: Right. So now if he does defeat lub and then
presumably they'll go back and they'll you know, I guess work.
I mean, they had a deal in the way was
the issue when the fight didn't happen in that other
time slot they were supposed to do it. The financials
and all that business was done, so I see absolutely
zero reason why they can't revisit that and have they
already have. I mean, even if the numbers change a
little bit or there's a tweak here, tweak there, they
have certainly an outline of what everybody's expectations are.
Speaker 1: Isn't a big factor that Turkey Alaschk was paying on
that card in Saudi Arabia? I mean, I don't know,
you do the reporting. Is the money really there for
a main event of Anis and Ortiz like it would
have been for the other one?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, though probably it'll be a pay per view,
first of all, I'm sure that's the first thing. The
second of all, everybody involved on their stands that if
Turkey's not like Turkey, I guess could try to do
the fight on one of his events and bankroll it.
And if he doesn't, okay, it's still a good fight.
It's probably one of the best fights you can make
among a Marria contenders in terms of both of them
have somewhat of a fan base and you can put
that fight a lot of places that would sell tickets
for his own it would it would be a ten
pole type event. It's the kind of pay per view
where even if you don't like pay per view, you
still might strongly consider buying it because there really is
that good of a fight on paper and in the
terms of the fight on Saturday, the Lubit fight. It
may not be at the same name or anticipation level
of an n S fite, but that's still a hell
of a fight. I mean, a lot of people are
sort of discounting ericson lubin, which I don't really quite get.
Speaker 1: The guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's got two losses, both my knockout, and he's
been feels like he's been around forever since twenty thirteen.
He's been a pro. But he's only thirty years old
and Virgil's twenty seven, so they're in the same you know,
age bracket, if you will. And here's a guy that
I picked years ago as the prospect of the year.
He may not have lived up to all the hype necessarily,
but he's still been an outstanding contender. He took the
loss that is, you know, pretty unforgettable for me. Anyway,
I was their ringside when he got blitzed in the
first round, challenging for a drum middleway time against Jermale Charlow.
That was all the way back in twenty seventeen, and
I think everybody agrees that he was just rushed into
that fight way too soon, not enough experience, too young,
got drill, Yeah, got absolutely wax in that fight, then
went on a long winning streak and you know, look,
he had a Fight of the Year contender in twenty
twenty two. He got stopped in the ninth round by
Sebastian Fondora. Nothing to be ashamed of in that at all.
It was a highly competitive fight, super close on all
three scorecards until he got stopped. And actually, his trainer,
Kevin Cunningham, I have ample respect for, halted that fight
understandably after round number nine, and ever since then he's
won three fights in a row. Now. The second of
those three fights was the decision he received against Hayesus
Ramos in September of twenty twenty three. I thought that
Ramos won the fight. A lot of people did.
Speaker 1: Terrible decision, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But I make the point here, Kj's even if he
took the loss to Ramos, it doesn't mean, he's still
not a good contender. He just have lost a good,
solid fight by decision to another good young fighter. He
came back and in his most recent fight, which was
actually an elimination fight for the Baker martazalev IDF title,
he knocked out R. Dre L Holmes in the eleventh round.
That was a horrible fight, mainly because Holmes.
Speaker 1: What was going on? Clarify what was going on that
he didn't fight at all in twenty twenty four and
we've only really seen him. This is only going to
be the second time in the last two years. Was
it injury? Was it promotional problem trying to find the
right fight. I mean, he has not been very active
for Shure.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know the reason for that. That's a
good point. He did he did. He was out of
the ring for the calendar year of twenty twenty four,
and I don't know if there was an injury. It
wasn't a promotional things. He's with Probox, but also has
relations that are still good with PBC, so that was
not the issue. But the point is he won that eliminator.
They took it to the limit before the purse bid
for his he would have been the mandatory challenger for Martazalev.
He pulled out of that fight, which left Martazaliv sort
of in the hole looking for another pony. Ultimately they
went up with Josh Kelly, but he kind of got
knocked off schedule for a few months of not trying
to of not having something enough. But the reason he
pulled out of that person bit not because he was,
you know, scared to fight Martazealev. It's because they had
a great offer to fight virgial Ortiz and a fight
that is inarguable is a bigger fight, even if it's
not for a full world title, And so he goes
into this fight, you know, with a with a high expectations.
I mean, he's a rough guy to fight. He's a
southpass so is Virgil artist, So southba versus southpaw. It's
just to me, it stacks up like an outstanding fight.
I'm not saying it's going to be the fight of
the year, but I'm saying it's something that is worth
paying attention to for the fight itself as well as
what could come after, particularly in the event that Virgil
is the winner. It's it's uh people want evenly matched,
competitive type fights. This is no worse than like that.
Speaker 1: And and by the way, when has Ortiz been in
a bad fight like at least in the recent and
that's the point that he can punch, So that's what
at least we're hoping for, has been in.
Speaker 2: A bad fight like the the Holmes fight. I feel
I watched that fight. I feel like that was really
the onus of that of being so terrible, was really
homes for just didn't want to didn't want to come
to fight at all.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's the main event. Tell me about
Darius Fulgium and David Stevens in the super middleweight co
feature and what we're looking forward to that one.
Speaker 2: So the original co feature was supposed to be Floyd
Schofield coming off of his big victory I was supposed
to by Jojo Diaz, which I didn't like that matchup anyway,
because not because of Schofield, but because Diaz, you know,
was long faded and had no chance to win in
that in that fight in my opinion. But Schofield suffered
the injury. I think we discussed it on one of
the shows. Instantly corrects the wrist injury or something or other.
So he pulled out of the fight. That was the
co feature, so Darius Fulgum and David Stevens that was
the next fight down on the televised main card, on
the own main card. And that's this is sort of like,
you know, a pair of up and comers, if you will,
Maybe they're not up and comers because they're a little
bit older in terms of where you would necessarily view
a prospect. Stevens is only twenty five years old, but
full was already twenty nine. But it's it's a it's
a fight that sort of positioning yourself. You know, I
don't I can't tell you who I think. I think
I have a pick in the fight. I guess I
would pick if I was we were doing the bet
us showing you know, support, I guess. But in terms
of the matchup on paper, like it's a pretty even matchup.
One guy's fourteen and one ful Gium who was a
top amateur. Stevens is fifteen and two, and uh, you know,
the winner is going to be able to take a
step forward. The loser maybe uh you know, find himself
behind the eight ball. And even when full Gum he's
coming off of his only loss. He went twelve hard
rounds against the bully h Melikuziev. That was a title
eliminator in a super you know, for a super middleway title.
He lost a close, you know, a very close fight
in that one. It wasn't like he disgraced himself and
he was fighting against a very reputable opponent. So if
there's such a thing as like a you know, I
don't know I want to say. I never want to
say a fight A loss is a good loss, but
an understandable loss, a forgivable loss. He didn't disgrace himself.
He didn't get beat by a nobody. He got beat
by a good contender, and presumably that fight was back
in May. Whatever he did is try and can't bleed
up to this fight with Stevens that maybe learned a
little something out of it and you know, can get
back on the winning track, if you know, if he's
been able to overcome that defeat, I still think even
at fourteen and one, Fulgium has got a chance to
maybe do something and make some noise in the weight class.
In terms of Stevens, he's younger, he does have the
two losses with the one KO loss he's had a
little bit more of a checker passed over the last
couple of years. He's two and two in his last
four fights. Fulgrum clearly is the favorite in the fight,
but he too lost a split decision to Melikuzia back
in twenty twenty four, So they do have that in
terms of a common opponent. And you know, we'll see
if what happens with the with the third part of
that threesome, I suppose.
Speaker 1: And then what else on this undercard? Real quick of note,
if anything here for Golden Boy, they have several other
fights on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I mean, unfortunately not the strongest
undercard that we've ever seen. Obviously, they were hoping that
Schofield would be in his fight. They do have a
new fighter that they signed, all that not all that
long ago. Amari Jones, a middleweight point was closely associated
in the team of Devin Haney. It was also a
good prospect they have, so anyway, so he's on the show.
You have the heavyweight who was the United States.
Speaker 1: Olympian, Joshua what Edwards, right, josh Edwards.
Speaker 2: Who's look when I watched him in the Olympics, I
didn't think anything of him. I was like, I had
this conversation earlier today actually with somebody that was chatting
me up about the show this weekend, and I was like,
when I watched Joshua Edwards in the Paris Olympics and
I watched his fights, I'm like, he's terrible. I mean,
just being honest, He's how in the world, in a
country of three hundred and fifty million or so people,
we can't have a halfway decent American heavyweight boxer in
the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Because it was the prime indication of what USA amateur
boxing is right now.
Speaker 2: So so he did his amateur career, he finished up
with the Olympics, and when he turned pro he had
signed with Golden Boy And I'm gonna now as much
as I was like scratching my like, what are we
doing here in terms of the American heavyweight scene for
amateur boxing, he has looked a one tot eighty as
a professional strong powerful. Obviously they're matching him, you know,
with not superstar names.
Speaker 1: But he hear the phrase in other sports the light
has gone on, at least early on. The light has
gone on here for whatever the level of competition is.
And look you still want to see more, and we
all want to see more.
Speaker 2: All I know is this, in the professional ranks that
I've seen, I've seen a heavyweight with apparently a good attitude,
in good shape, good proportions, about two hundred and twenty
five pounds, six foot three, classical type of heavyweight size,
showing good power. Obviously, I take that with a grain
of salt, because when you're matching prospects in their first
handful fights, especially heavyweights, you're not fighting top names. Getting
knockouts as much easier than it will become when you're
fighting real guys, you know, as you develop, if he delves,
But so far, so good. He's been explosive, he's been interesting,
and he is, I guess, at the moment, in terms
of a guy with under let's say ten fights, probably
the best hope for America at the moment, you know.
And I say less than ten fights, because they're still
other guys around, like a Richard Torres that we have
talked about. But so he's on this card. It's not
don't expect it to be like some kind of you know,
amazing matchup, but he's it's he's, you know, what they say,
to become something spectacular at whatever your your your field
of work is, you got to put in your ten
thousand hours of work. He's doing his ten thousand hours
right now, like he's getting his experience. He's hopefully getting
some rounds, seeing different looks from opponents and working on
whatever they work on the gym, trying to implement it.
Speaker 1: I've definitely put in ten thousand hours with you do
I get a hamburger for that. I'm just being facetious
right about now. So we'll see if it pays off
any for Joshua Edwards and his development. And what about
the cruiser weight? Is it so far? That's the other
guy on this you have it on my rundown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the card all so so far. I
mean he's sort of an interesting guy. Also. He's eighteen
and zero with thirteen knockouts. He's originally from Sweden, but
he's been based out of Las Vegas. I guess the
first time anybody really ever heard of him or made
an impression on anybody was last year in May in
Saudi Arabia where he finished off the remnants of Sergey
Kovalev who had moved up to cruiserweight, and he knocked
him or he didn knock him out, but he dominated
him right. He knocked him down in the tenth and
final round and he won, you know, a decision.
Speaker 1: Again. I've always said if you're in Fort Worth, Texas
on a Saturday night, you got to watch out from
the guy for the guy from Sweden by way of
Las Vegas. And that's what you're saying. Keep an eye
on the guy from Sweden by way of Las Vegas
and the cruiserweight fight on the undercored.
Speaker 2: You know again, he's somebody to watch in that division.
Now for Golden Boy, it makes sense because they're invested
in the cruiserweight division. They obviously the promoter for Zerdo Ramirez,
who was the unified champion, and they've got I think
a couple other guys on their roster also, So Safar
is going to be on this card. And you know,
he looked good against covid Lev. I know it wasn't
the covid leed that we knew back in the day
when he was a pound for pound guy. Tovilev did
come back after that fight and get a farewell victory
supposedly what was going to be his final fight. So
Safar is on the card again. Now he's fighting an
eighteen and oer opponent. I have to confess Derek Miller Junior.
Who's the opponent who is eighteen and oh with ten knockouts,
a thirty five year old from Michigan I have not
heard of. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: And if the man has not heard of him, that's
pretty bad in terms of notoriety and who is if
he's an American fighter, if you've not heard of him,
So we'll see.
Speaker 2: When I look at his record, and I looked at
Miller's record, there's really nobody that would jump out at
you whatsoever. All Right, so far as I got to
keep an eye because he's got a ranking I think
in some of the organizations, and he does have to
win over COVID eleven. Golden Boy did sign him in
the Cruiser Weight took place where you can maybe make
some noise.
Speaker 1: So lots of undercard fights, but again the big one
is or Tees and Lubin. We look forward to seeing
that main event and what happens in the one hundred
and fifty four pound division after that for the winner,
particularly if it's Ortees who's got a following. I do
have a source in the Dallas Fort Worth area, and
I'm just telling you for what this is worth. I
got a couple of different media friends, and one of them,
I ask, because I always do, he knows about boxing
and about big events. I said, he is there very
much buzz about the Dickey's Arena in Fort Worth of
this fight, And he said no, I mean the Cowboys
played on Monday night. You've obviously got Cooper Flag your
boy from Duke who is now debuted with the Dallas Mavericks,
et cetera, et cetera. The Dallas Stars hockey has started up,
University of Texas football. I don't know what kind of crowd.
It's a big arena, it's a concert vineyard too. I
don't know what kind of crowd they're going to have
or tease again, is from Grand Prairie, Texas in that area.
Let's see what kind of draw there is, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But at least not sure why though that it's not.
I mean, by all accounts, it's not been a big
draw at the moment. That's unfortunate because it's a good matchup.
I mean, it's certainly something worth checking out. I didn't
look at what the ticket prices are, but I did
look on as I do for a lot of bigger
fights or fights that I think are good fights. I
went and I looked not today, but like probably two
three days ago. I looked on Ticketmaster. Alas is awesome.
People tweeting about it. There was a lot of tickets available.
I mean, it's unfortunate. I mean, maybe it'll change, there'll
be a walk up, who knows. But like you said,
when you're playing in the fall, especially in a place
like Texas where it's so dominated by the Cowboys and
college football and not to mention the hype over flag
in the everything else, Yeah, Texas. Uh, you know, basketball
just started up there on my boys from Duke whooped
them up right the other thing in their opener of
the season. So there's a lot of competition for your
sporting dollar, I guess is the way to put it.
Speaker 1: Well, And you can't comprehend until you're there. Until you're there.
If you think it's ridiculous nationwide about the Cowboys in
that market, that's all it is. Uh, you know, and unfortunately,
horribly we're not going to get sidetracked. But they have
a player in Marshawn Neelan that unfortunately has taken his
own life in a in an awful situation Wednesday night
at Dallas Cowboy Player. That's dominating all the news late
in the week. Cowboys are not playing a game this weekend,
but that is everywhere. That's just what my point is
about that market. So let's see, let's see what kind
of crowd is there for Ortiz. Whatever it's going to be,
it's gonna be for the matchup with Lubin. All right,
let's get to some fight news. When we left the
podcast airway on the recap podcast, we were talking about
Jake Pohl and Tank Davis is likely off, and now
in fact it is off. And so now the question
becomes is this show going to be back on with
someone else? And who is that someone else? And that's
where we're going to get into all of this here
right about now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, TJ, they haven't picked an appony yet. I mean,
there's been a lot of rumors. Maybe they have, but
it's probably not been disseminated publicly. You hear about a
whole bunch of different people. They said when they announced
that the fight with Davis was off, they obviously were
not going to go on the initial date, which was
November fourteenth, which is next weekend. But they did make
the point that they would be back in twenty twenty five,
which means obviously the month of December. They certainly weren't
going to do the fight on I don't think Thanksgiving
that would be, you know, a very short notice after
the postponement or cancelation of whatever you want to call it.
So they'll figure it out. I mean, but they're so scattershot.
I mean, he just wants to fight anyway. It's like
weight class doesn't matter, like what sport they do doesn't. Right.
Speaker 1: Supposedly, you you cleared that they did talk to Ryan
Garcia briefly and they were told and we're gonna get
into Ryan Garcia again for the second time here in
a second, that's not it. Francis and Ganu gave an
interview that they approached him, but he said it was
ridiculous money. And then there was some back and forth
barbs from Jake Paul and him, and I guess edgar
Berlanga made mention and we're gonna talk about Berlanga a
little bit. I don't know if Berlanga was lobbying for
the fight, or if if MVP reached out, but as well,
everybody wants the ticket.
Speaker 2: But those are real boxing. There's real fights that are
gonna get made. Berlanga will get to it. There's other
things in the midst Ryan Garcia will talk about it.
Speaker 1: I know what it is. Nate Diaz supposedly is on
the list for a rematch. They I don't know that
we have to have another Nate Diaz fight.
Speaker 2: We didn't have to have the first need Okay, now
I'm not knocking that. I mean it was fine, but
he did what he had to do. He won the fight.
It wasn't particularly a good fight. It wasn't particularly competitive. So,
in the immortal words of my good pal T Jares,
what are we doing here? How do you go from
fighting an exhibition against Tank Davis to just another nonsense
MMA fighter that you already defeated for Netflix money? Like
what Netflix wants big events and love it or hate it.
But Tank would have been a big event just because
of the absolute curiosity factor. There ain't no curiosity about Nadas.
Speaker 1: We saw it.
Speaker 2: I've seen Jake beat other non boxers before, you know,
so again, maybe they'll try to make that fight you
got notice for sure. But what I understand is that
whatever the prospect of Nadeas was, that was something that
was not something that was of interest to Netflix. I
can't speak to about whether it was of interest to MVP.
I'm sure it would be of interest in Adeas was
always going to be out there trolling for a payday.
Speaker 1: So I again asked this, because you've got other championship
fights they're not going to happen next week that are
on the undercard. Is we're just speculating, Is there still
a possibility that you no longer do this on NETFLI,
that you instead do it on his zone and he
fights somebody else that he wants to fight, and you
keep it. That's not gonna happen, all right.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna go and suddenly have budget money from
the zone in the final month of the year. That
budget's already topped. They already know what they're doing. They're
not scheduling something in the last second. Now, Netflix had
obviously a certain amount of money carved out for November
to think that perhaps they could move that to December
or take less of it for a smaller sort of show.
I mean, I guess it's possible, but there'd be no
chance that they're now suddenly going to do it on
his zone in the final month of the year when
they already have a lot of other events schedule.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work like that one other and we might
as well get into this part. I mean, Jake Paul
took to social media on the day after all of
this was announced as canceled, and you love the words
he eviscerated. He eviscerated.
Speaker 2: There was a couple hours after the fight was canceled.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, so he eviscerated him on social media.
And one of the things that I think most people
believe rings hollow is there there was no problem apologize
for all of his bad behavior, including earlier this summer,
as long as the fight was still going on. And
now that he got himself in trouble yet again, Tank Davis,
now suddenly it's oh, we have all these standards, we
have this women's stable of fighters, and what he stands for.
He's garbage, but not paraphrasing blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Well, no, you're not paraphrasing because he called him and
I quote that Grvonta Davis is an actual walking human
piece of garbage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he called them, stuff that he was
never going to say while they're trying to sell the fight,
no matter how true it is. And to me, again
I used the phrase rings hollow. It rings hollow that
you're saying this now when these these issues were already.
Speaker 2: There, understand, And I have a couple of thoughts about that.
The first thing is you're right, and also the fact
that they bounced them for the fight, whether it was
for business reasons, ticket reasons, the actual supposed of islands
that he committed against a woman who issuing him. If
that is the case, eventually the right thing was done.
They dropped him for the fight. How they finally got
to that decision, we don't really quite know yet. It
could be whatever we just discussed. It could be because
they found a second thought about it, like, hey, we
really shouldn't be doing this because of especially because of
our commitment to female boxing. Maybe again it was business.
All I know is the end result was appropriate that
they're not doing the fight. But it's very very legitimate
for anybody to question why did you make a fight
with Tank Davis in the first place when now he
has this current situation, but he already had like twelve others.
And by the way, if you take it a step further,
he fought Mike Tyson. Say what you want about Tyson
and what he's been the last twenty five years or
this that he's a convicted rapist. Say what you want
about Tank Davis. He's not a convicted rapist. He's never
gone to jail or prison for domestic abuse. Granted, you
know people drop cases and this and that, but Tyson's
actually a rapist based on his conviction. So he's gone
a fight with him who abused.
Speaker 1: It reinforces what I was getting at, which is, as
long as the fight had come off and everybody got paid,
we're fine. But now you're ringing hollow with the oh,
this is so awful, he's so awful whatever, because you
can't have the fight.
Speaker 2: Okay, And that's fair. I totally get that. I do think, though,
and maybe I'm wrong, I do think that because of
the way the MVP handles their business, which is so
deeply involved in women's boxing, that this was also an
excuse to say, let's not be involved with this, that
that they.
Speaker 1: Realize a convenient excuse.
Speaker 2: Yes, again fair, but their position within the sport because
they are the number one promoter for female boxing and
have the best not every best fight, every top female boxer,
but they have you know, ten different women who are
among the top you know, twenty women in the world probably,
uh and a number of champions and obviously some of
the most well known female boxers and that sort of
thing that they probably realized, like, you know what, we've
really been doing business with a guy who every other week,
it feels like, is being accused of, you know, beating
up a woman, particularly you know, in this instance, a
girlfriend for four or five months, or you know, the
mother of your children. I mean, these are not things
that you that any promoter should want to be involved with,
but even more so if you are putting yourself out
there as like the place for you know, the top
female boxing. So I'll say it again. How they got
to the decision is up for debate and whether it
was a good way they went about it or not whatever,
But I know this, at the end of the day,
the end result of being of bouncing him from the
fight was the right call.
Speaker 1: All right. Other news, we did touch on Ryan Garcia
off the weekend and Mario Barrios, and so give me
the latest here, including when we think this might happen
for the WBC Welterweight Championship. When Ryan Garcia hasn't wont
to fight it well alterweight and hasn't been ranked as
a welterweight, but is apparently going to fight for the
WBC title.
Speaker 2: Ryan Garci means big business and it is a business
after Also, I get that I don't love it, not
a fan of it at all. He's coming off a
loss to Rolando Romero in another welterweight title fight. He
didn't deserve to have a title al be it at
state that was for the WBA at the time, the
regular title, which was kind of ridiculous, but you know
that's the way they roll. But the thing they had
to deal with in terms of the fight, because there's
nothing new in terms of he's they're still trying to
make this deal for Barrios. That's not changed. What has
changed is one of the various things that they were
trying to accomplish in terms of making the fight. It
was one of those sort of hurdles they had a
clear because this fight is contemplated for early part of
twenty twenty six, where Garcia would challenge Barrios for the
WBC welterweight title is Oh, by the way, if you
go back to July of twenty twenty four, which is
a few months after his victory, that was changed no
contest against Devin Hainey because he failed multiple drug tests
and unrelated to the suspension he took, he happened to
be like several pounds overweight for what was supposed to
be a WBC Junior welterweight title fight because at the time,
Devin Haney had that belt and he showed up like
what four pounds over and was ineligible to win that belt.
So it was after that fight a few months later
that he went on that crazy and I wrote about this,
this crazy rant he did like a live stream where
he you know, he used terrible racial language. He went
off about black people, the liberal use of the N word,
said terrible things about Muslims, you know, basically said I
hate black people. Literally, that was like a direct quote,
and the WBC We're like, we're not going to roll
with that, and they suspended him, which didn't mean he
couldn't fight. What it means, and people sometimes get confused,
as I made this comment. A lot of times when
it comes to things like drug testing and all kinds
of business, the sanctioning body can suspend the fighter, but
not from actually fighting. What they can do is they
can suspend the fighter and prevent that boxer from being
in their rankings which they control. They can suspend that
fighter from being involved in a doubt where they would
sanction a fight. So once he was suspended, Ryan Garcia
was ineligible to be in the WBC rankings, and he
was further ineligible to box for one of their titles,
being a world title, in interim title, a regional title,
what have you, to participate in any of their activities.
Whether he cared about that, I don't know. But in
the end, the fight between him and Barrios for the
WBC title.
Speaker 1: He cares about it now because it's not going to happen.
It's clearing the path for the fight to happen.
Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly the point.
Speaker 1: So which other I don't want to go on for
fifteen more minutes. It only goes to reinforce again what
I was saying to you coming off the weekend, that
these organizations do everything in their financial interest that doesn't
have anything to do with the rankings, the other WBC
ranked fighters, etc.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a question about that. What
business doesn't do what's in their financial interest?
Speaker 1: How about this the legitimacy, This is what I said.
The legitimacy of these titles and the credibility with the
fans only goes so far when you continue to do
things like what this is, which will just give anybody
a ranking or a title shot because it's in our
financial interest to do so. So you can't have both
sides of the argument. I'm not just saying you, I'm
saying anybody no has credibility when you're doing things like this.
Speaker 2: Here's my question, and I don't really know what the
proper answerest. We all, I think can agree that Ryan
Garci doesn't deserve a welterweight championship fight. Obviously, you looked
terrible against Roly Romero, got knocked down, lost the Queen fight,
and hasn't done anything of consequence. Is like one in
two when his last three fights had the no contest
against Devin Haney where he showed up overweight and then
pop positive twice for drugs. Okay, we get all that.
So in terms of the things he said that were
you know, and I and I quote, I hate N word,
I'm anti black, I'm the KKK. Hey, let's go bring
George Floyd back to life. Obviously, go kill that in
word again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obvious horrible problems, horrible comments.
Speaker 2: So here's here's the question. Now, I happen to think
that when all that shit was going on, he was
so fucked up on drugs and alcohol that it made
him do wacky shit because he clearly was having an
issue with substance abuse. Yeah, I'm not making a excuse
for him. I'm just being really.
Speaker 1: And or this is how he actually is.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't actually think that is okay,
but that's my opinion. But here's the question. I have.
All that said, putting aside the fact that he's going
to get this undeserved chance to fight for the title
most likely, what is the proper length of time he
should be suspended from WBC activity. None of the other
organizations did it, at least the WBC did it at
the time. It has been now since twenty twenty four,
it's been over to over a year and a half
now since that, or about a year and a half
since he's been suspended. So again I'm not saying I
agree or disagree with what my.
Speaker 1: Quarrel is it how long he was supposed to be suspended.
My quarrel is he has no business fighting for their
title Mario Barry.
Speaker 2: Okay, one thing at a time, though, should he be
unders too?
Speaker 1: These two things are related. The bigger deal is not
that he's been quote suspended by the WBC. The bigger
deal is he doesn't belong in this title, fight for
merit in the ring the big that's the bigger deal
you're posing to me, Like, which is the bigger deal
that you broke your foot while being shot in the
chest and having to be saved in the hospital with
heart surgery. The bigger deal is I had to be
saved for the heart surgery.
Speaker 2: That's a separate question. How long should he be suspended?
Speaker 1: And I'm saying to you, I don't care on the
marig whether he no, but I don't care. I don't
care how to suspended. I don't think I've never suspended
for ninety days or six months. I don't care for
whenever these.
Speaker 2: So he got suspended for a year by the New
York Commissioner for the drug test m H. And he's
already because he was.
Speaker 1: He was perfectly overweight and dangerously fighter.
Speaker 2: But being overweight had nothing to do with the suspension.
Speaker 1: He was dangerously overweight because he did cut weight and
then he also rehydrated while we fully relitigate all of this,
rehydrated with IVS and was on PDDs and it was
a dangerous thing that he did in the ring. All
of that doesn't understand, Okay, So that's a different argument too.
Speaker 2: Like his actual suspension by the New York Commission that
went for a year enforcing the forfeit is one point
one million dollar base person, right blust that fine. In
addition to that, my question is he did that and
he's now been it took he did the year, you know,
back dated to the data of the fight, like is
normal with any drug suspension. And then he said some
terrible things, but they were words and he got He's
been doing a year and a half for the WBC.
So my question is which is worse. One is longer
where he didn't Actually he said some terrible things, but
he didn't hit anybody, or I got anybody, or.
Speaker 1: I got it. The first two times you brought it
up I got it the first two times you brought
it up, and I.
Speaker 2: Do won't answer my question.
Speaker 1: You won't, I said, it doesn't. It doesn't really matter
whether he got ninety days for that or six months
from that. In terms of the magnitude of why is
he getting a title shot, we can discuss. That's the
bigger But but bro, the topic you keep harping on
isn't the bigger deal. The bigger deal is Mario Barrio
should either fight Manny Pacquiao in a rematch that would
be compelling. Well, I don't know. There's certainly a compelling
reason to see it because a lot of people, including
you and you were there, thought that Pacquiao won the fight.
The other thing would be, how about adhere to your
actual rankings and have Barrios fight the number one contender
in the WBC, which ain't Ryan Garcia, or if the
number one guy's not available the WBC.
Speaker 2: Everyone they have mandatories and there's time frames. His mandatory fight,
to my understanding, is not actually do at the moment.
He does have time on his calendar to do an
optional defense. Now, uh solo.
Speaker 1: And again we've gone on for like ten minutes. They
also completely circumvented their rankings to let him fight Paqiao
in the first place, who'd been inactive for four years
and wasn't ranked. So the ones continue, and I come
back to the thing that I I.
Speaker 2: Just hold on a second. When I said to Marisio Suliman,
who was the president of the WBC, when they installed
Manny Pacio like number four or six or whatever in
the rankings after not fighting for four years and having
come off a loss so he could be eligible for
the title fight, Yep, that was ridiculous. And I think
when I talked to Mariso, and I think he realized
that that was not the right decision. He said as much.
What they should have done is just say listen, Manny
pack has been a great representative of the WBC for
twenty years. He's held our titles in a variety of
weight classes. He's a fucking legend. We love him. He's
an all time great. He's decided he liked to fight again,
and you know what, we're going to give him the
chance and if you don't like it, go pound sand
And they gave him the chance instead of the Kakamami
bullshit of like, well, he's in the rankings, so now
he's eligible. Just say, you know, membership in the All
Time Inner Circle Hall of Fame gives you privileges, and
fighting for a title is one of them. That's what
they could have said, and then it would shut guys
like us up because at least they were honest about him.
What can you say, They told.
Speaker 1: You what it is, and I'm being honest about this,
that it's an undeserved situation and Barrio should be finding
somebody else. But clearly they're going to go ahead with
this and fight sometime in early twenty twenty six. And
you'll keep us posted, provided that Ryan Garcia doesn't melt
down again and ruin that, which is notice is always
possible with this. All right, let's move on to a
couple more things before we get out. Get out of here,
because we've been here for a bit. I know Victor
Kanti passed away, who certainly has had a checkered pass.
Speaking of checkered pass including the early two thousands and
his involvement, we'll just say it with cheating and peds
in a myriad of sports now of course, yeah, so
and the whole Balco situation. All right, he passed away
earlier this week from pancreatic cancer. So I know you
you've been in contact with him, and you want to
relay a little more of your thoughts and your opinions
here about Kanti post being publicly disgraced as he should
have been for everything that went on.
Speaker 2: And Victor is not an angel. It was not a
perfect person, and who of us are He did his
time in prison when he was convicted after the Balco situation.
Of course, that was involving with Olympic athletes and Barry
Bonds and you know other baseball players. Shane Moseley was
involved with that circa his second fight with Oscar de
la Joya, testifying in front of a grand jury even
though he never tested positive, but that he had been
given the clear end or the cream. The designer steroids
that Victor was involved with creating that were not that
were being they were not you could there was no
tests that existed, so athletes could take these substances and
the people that were testing would never know because they weren't.
Speaker 1: A word is undetectable. He had affected a way to
take the peds and they were undetectable at that time,
and a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people will hold that against Victor Kante for the
rest of their life, and that's understandable for some people.
But the end result was an element of redemption. And
I don't want to get too like romantic about it
or anything like that, but you ever see the movie
Star Wars where Darts vade most evil fucking guy in
the world in the galaxy, in the Star System, and
at the end of the Return of the Jedi, he
redeems himself. Victor Conte is that figure because.
Speaker 1: He picked the emperor up and threw him down the
Never Never Land.
Speaker 2: Of the And in many ways, that's Victor Conte. He
came out of prison and he did and he dedicated
the rest of his life to being against peds and
and explaining ways that it could be done, and spilling
the beans on everything, and and taking up the mantra
to help get rid of peds in sport and became
a strong advocate for anti peds. Now, he did have
his his supplement business and his his in this you
know snack system, and he was working with lots of
athletes in boxing who weren't testing positive, who were top fighters.
He worked with Terrence Crawford, he worked with Devin Haney.
He worked with Dimitris andre andre Ward Claressa Shields, Mikey
Garcia before he retired. Mario Barrios was a snack fighter.
Dimitrius Andre uh you know, swore by his you know,
the program that was developed both in terms of the
supplements as well as also being involved in their physical training,
not the boxing training, but the you know, the the
strength and conditioning and that sort of stuff. He worked
with Andre Berto before he retired. Danny Jacobs. I mean,
he worked with a thousand guys in boxing, and he
had good relationships with a lot of those guys through
the years, even when they were not fighting. And like
I said, when I first met Victor, I was really like,
this guy is a dirty motherfucker, you know, Like you know,
I knew about good reason.
Speaker 1: He had been to prison for all he was doing. Right.
Speaker 2: Look, I recorded extensively on the Ballcome Case with Shane
Mosley going back in the day. I think I was
still at USA today at that time or thereabouts. And
so when I first met Victor, I was very very
like wary. I got to know Victor over the last
three four years pretty well, Like we texted regular I
talked to him on a regular basis. I saw met fights.
I had dinner with him one time in Las Vegas
with a with a couple of people before Canelo fight
that he was involved with with somebody on the card.
In matter of fact, I can still remember very specifically
at that dinner and Victor was open like a book,
like he would just tell you anything. He told us
everything you wanted to know about his time in prison
when he went away for the conviction. Now he didn't
serve in like a maximum security prison. He was in,
you know, the so called country club type prison for
a convicted felon, but not for a violent crime. And look,
he did his time. He came out and he I
feel like he believe rates.
Speaker 1: The word we use in the criminal justice vernacular was
he reformed. Do you believe absolutely was trying to do good?
Speaker 2: That is what my belief is that as somebody that
spent time with him, that spoke to them regularly, that
dealt with him on a regular basis. Uh, he knew
his ship when it came to drug testing. And one
of the things he was very helpful to a lot
of the media guys because even if you didn't necessarily
quot him but like if there was a drug test
situation or whatever it may be, it was some kind
of substance on a regular basis, be like I would
call him up or I would text him. Can you
in England language terms like what would if if I
was a boxer and I took this, what would I
be trying to get out of it? He had an
easy way of explaining what things were and you could
break it down. So he was as polarizing a figure
as there will be. And he obviously he passed this
week now, back in June when he was diagnosed, so
he didn't live very long after the diagnosis. Pancreatic cancer
is one of those types of cancer that if you
find out you have it, chances are you're not yes.
Especially but when I when I was texting with him,
when I this is, I went back and looked to
my old text messages I had texted with him in June,
and uh, we were going back and forth about whatever
topic we were discussing, and uh, he said to me
that he had been diagnosed with this, and you know,
I said, listen, I'm really starting to hear that he
has three daughters. I mean, so he's got the family
that's uh, that's still around post his passing, and uh,
he was very uh uh I thought that he would
beat this, like he was positive feeling. Yeah, he's the
I have good physicians. I've overcome adversity before. I obviously said,
you know, listening, best of luck with everything, you know,
wishing good thoughts for you. We texted a few more
times after that, and at that point, I, you know,
I kind of I knew from hearing from other people
that that he was taking a turn for the worst
and hadn't heard from him since, like I guess maybe
like early July. Obviously, you know, he was near the
end of his life. But he made a big impact
on the sport. And if you ask the athletes that
he's worked with, you know, whether it's Devin Hainey who
posted some stuff on social media, or some of the
other guys he's worked with, like, they'll tell you like
he was a stand up guy all right after.
Speaker 1: The public can judge for themselves as well. On Conte again,
thoughts and prayers to his family said.
Speaker 2: If you're never as bad as you are in your
worst moment like he was with DLCO, and maybe you're
never as good as you were in your best friend.
Speaker 1: Let me and let me just say this while we're here,
we're being adults, and this I mean we fool around
and talk about boxing all the time. I've got a
good friend of mine that has been going through colon
cancer colal rector cancler. Get yourself checked once you're the
age of forty five. Most most of who's listening to
us is adult males. Some of you are older. Some
of you are in the wheelhouse where Rayfielder and I are.
Get yourself checked from a myriad of things like pancreatic cancer,
colon cancer, et cetera. Because the number one thing the
cancer physicians say is early detection, that your chances of
beating it go up astronomically if you find it quickly.
So public service announcement from TJ and Big Dan. Get
yourself checked because the friend that I'm talking to, unfortunately
is suffering and said I never got myself checked, and
I want to warn everybody. Do this. Take the time,
do this, Make appointments with your physician. Get a colonoscopy done,
especially if you're the age of forty five. Listen to
me sounding like I'm the American Medical Association. Get a
colonoscopy done, Get a pancreatic check, because again, these are
kill when you are in your fifties. When you are
beyond fifty five and sixty, these can be killers. Get
yourself checked. I'm now off the public service soap box.
But the ADA and the American Medical Association, they are
approving of all of them.
Speaker 2: Do you think they'll give us a sponsorship for that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll sponsor the show, but they're
saying bravo, because yeah, you need you need to get
yourself cha. Is it fun? No, it's no fun. But
I was talking with a friend of mine that had
to have it done, the Roto Ruter job, which I've
had done. And by the way, the uh, the colon doctor,
the gastro doctor told me I had a colon of
a thirty year old. I don't know how they deem
a colon of a thirty year old versus a fifty
year old versus behalf of our entire but I'm just
saying this has to be done. But anyway, he had
the Roto Ruter job, and I said, listen, better to
find out what's going on right now, go get the
Roto Ruter job done. Tada. All right, speaking of let's
just make it.
Speaker 2: Let's make a practice. Last time we talked about Colon's
on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, you never know, you never know
here this is it's dangerous stuff. I just it hits
close to home when you're hearing people talk about this
stuff that are in your life. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 2: We got heavy wait for this transition.
Speaker 1: We got heavyweight news. We got a fight that could
happen because of a purse bid, and then another fight
that's not gonna happen that might have been like a
colo rectal exam. All right, so there's my segue. Give
me the update on the IBF and the purse bid
for Sanchez Dubois and now apparently we're not going to
have Oh so sad Derek Chesorra and Dillian White, give
me updates on both.
Speaker 2: So Sanchez, Frank Sanchez and Daniel Dubois, the former IBF
title holder, they had been ordered to fight demand the
eliminator to you know, for the IBF number one position
in their rankings. And people are very questioning, like, okay,
we went over this when it was first ordered. Why
du wah would he just got knocked out in his
last fight by exanner Usik in the fight for the
undisputed title when he lost his belt. And the reason
is very simple, because he wasn't original in the fight.
There was other fights that were ordered and for different reasons,
nobody would fight Frank Sanchez. They went through. You know,
when he lost the fight to Usk, he didn't drop
out of the rankings. He just didn't stay number one
or stay as the champion. He was dropped down a
bunch of positions. And so when you add fighters like
Faa Jagba and Moses Atama and Richard Torres all turned
it down. The next guy they got to in the
rankings was Duba. Their team accepted their position. Now that
doesn't necessarily mean they'll do with the fight. I think
they were keeping their options open for whatever else is
out there. But at the time that we're talking, they
did not make a deal. And when that deadline comes
and goes, the IBF schedules the perspit. I am told
from both sides that there have never even really been
any serious discussions about the fight, but that doesn't mean
that somebody is not going to bid on this matchup.
And so now the IBF has set up per spit
for October. I'm sorry for November thirteenth for this purspit
to determine.
Speaker 1: This next Thursday Friday, right right?
Speaker 2: Who with the promoter is so we'll find out. But
it'll be very interesting to see a who bids and
how much they bid, and if it's enough to entice
Dubois to stay on this track and do it. Frank Sanchez,
I think will do the fight regardless. He's just looking
for an opportunity. He's won one fight since he suffered
his loss in Saudi Arabia Dubis coming off of the knockout,
and so if it actually happens in a in an
active heavyweight time, this is a fight that would be meaningful.
Dubois is you know, win or lose, He's usually going
to be in an interesting fight either score spectacular knock
at her gett knocked out spectacularly. Sanchez can be a
little dull sometimes when you're in with a guy like
Dubois that will come out firing. You know, he'll maybe
forcing the fight a little bit. So we'll see. But
I'm still not one hundred percent convinced that the fight
will happen, but I do.
Speaker 1: Get you don't even see fifty percent convinced. You said
you talked to both sides and it doesn't seem to
be interest. Maybe not that it's not that there's no interest.
Speaker 2: The Sancho side is definitely interested, and I think the
Dubois side is interested as long as something better doesn't come.
Speaker 1: Along, all right.
Speaker 2: So, but they were ready to make a deal, I'd
rather just take the time give themselves the extra and
also the likelihood a few minutes before the purst bit
actually happens in.
Speaker 1: The And I will just say it this way, because you,
you again are plugged in. You know how the system works.
What's the likelihood that Queensberry wants this fight because Queensberry
has Daniel Dubois, and that they would bid in the
purse bit or try to make a deal. Do you
see that that's very likely or not very likely?
Speaker 2: I don't would I say likely or unlikely. I think
it's absolutely possible. Now keep in mind, Queensberry has most
of the top heavyweights in boxing.
Speaker 1: So so let's segue then, because they have been talking
about Chesa and Dillian White fighting again for a third
fight on his own pay per view, But now that
is apparently not happening, right, So does this make it
more interesting that Queensberry might be interested in Dubois and Sanchez.
Speaker 2: I don't fill fill in the blacks. Frank Warren is
very specific. He actually talked about this on the broadcast
when they did the Fabio worldly Joseph Parker fight, and
they had those two guys obviously were fighting, but he
had all the other heavyweights were they're doing a joint interview.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Cabiel, Chosaura White, Atama, Tyson Ferior was there, although he
says he's retired. There was a whole bunch of guys
uh that were there talking. Uh, you know, Joe Joyce
was there, Lawrence Akley, David Adelai. I mean, they have
a lot of heavyweights under their banner, and if you're
a promoter, you want to get go each different direction.
Make sure you get a guy who's number one in
the IBF. Try to get the guy number one on
the WBC, the WA so you can keep it, keep
it rolling. So they've got the number one guy in
the WBC in terms of the interim champion, which is Cabo. Anyway,
so the fact that they're trying to maybe do Sanchez
and Dua, that would put Duat in position with the IBF.
UH would just be another avenue to do that. Now,
the Chosaura White fight wasn't really so much about UH
championships or UH you know, getting a title shot. That
was two old guys, you know, just trying to put
on a show and and generate a big audience in
a big crowd. Now, the interesting thing here is that
Chasaurus actually ranked number one in the IBF right, but
the time is gonna run out for him to get
the fight if he doesn't stay active, and he's probably
not going to get the shot, so he'll drop out
of that position. And in essence, what it means is
and santchiz happen?
Speaker 1: Okay, hold up, they gave her that position. Hear them.
I can hear them in the distance on the pod,
and we're going to be gone here in a couple
of minutes. If Frank Sanchez is in an IBF eliminator
and they can't figure out what to do with Dubois
and Chasaa's in the number one position, doesn't it seem
like Chiesara and Frank Sanchez would make sense then? Of course,
not because it's boxing, because.
Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with it, TJ. I mean,
I really would encourage you. We've done this a thousand
times with the IBF. Go spend fifteen minutes and read
the IBF rules. You can, you can, you can bitch
and moan about them, but they actually I don't like them,
and they're sitting there, they're driving me fucking daddy, but
they actually, if you follow it, what they're doing makes sense.
The IBF title, First of all, it's a unified championship,
so they're on a rotation basis. The IBF title, whoever
becomes the mandatory is still fourth on the depth chart
because the WBO is next, the WBC comes after that.
I believe the WBA is after that, and the IBF
is fourth. So the guy who wins is probably if
Usik was to maintain the belts, you're talking about probably
two years. But the flyer you take is that the
chances are either a he'll lose, or the titles will
become splintered, or he'll vacate. And if the IBF title
becomes splintered and it's on its own, then the.
Speaker 1: Guy who wins, right of course, I mean.
Speaker 2: Sanchez and DUBI is gonna get to fight either for
the vacant title or is going to get elevated, perhaps
as an interim or whatever, and so you put yourself
in position for that. It doesn't mean you're necessarily getting
the shot at USIK, So you always want to be
in the position with one of the organizations. So Duba
and Sanchez are angling for that. Tesora it's too long
of a wait for him at his age and he's
not going to get that opportunity almost ninety nine percent.
So he wants to try to make the biggest fight possible.
So that comes to the White Tasori fight. If you
go back a couple weeks ago, Frank Warren was talking
about how we're going to do this fight. It's going
to be a big deal. He spoke about it on
the de Zone broadcast, that we want to make this match.
You had Derrek Tasaur saying it's one hundred percent going
to happen. You had Dylan White saying, you know, I'm interested,
but the money's got to be right, the contract's got
to be right. But everybody left that interview and those
comments is like, Okay, this fight's happening well as I wrote,
and people don't want to believe me, and that's fine.
I really don't give a shit, But I'm telling you
the fight isn't happening. And it's not because the money's
not right for White, it's because Chesa decided that he
didn't he was not amenable to whatever the deal points were,
and so therefore, unless they sweeen it, which they weren't
going to do, he's not doing the fight. And on
top of that, you had a December thirteenth date where
I feel like, because it was supposed to be a
pay per view, I was this is one of the
things I heard about this is that they were starting
off second thoughts about trying to promote this fight, which
is a little bit of a hard sell, even though
they're popular figures, because they already did fight twice and
White won both fights, you know, over the last several years.
One was in twenty sixteen, one was in twenty eighteen,
that at Christmas time, not a title fight, not you know,
something we've never seen before, not a lot.
Speaker 1: Of billion White getting destroyed in August in less than
two minutes.
Speaker 2: All those factors sort of made that a hard sell,
combined with a little bit of a shorter runway because
we're already approaching, you know, the second part of November.
So in the end, all the talk and all the
guarantees that Shasora White three was happening on December thirteenth,
it is not happening. Not only not happening on December thirteenth,
but most likely not happening period.
Speaker 1: All right, By the way, I need to retort just
from one thing, I don't need any more lectures about.
Go read the IBF rulaship about whatever when you come
on this podcast, and then blast them because they don't
follow what they're doing, and you have done that in
the past, and.
Speaker 2: Y IBF follows their rules most of the time.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: So can cite two instances in recent years where they
flagrantly broke their exactly but compared.
Speaker 1: But that's like going into prison and the varying degrees
of the criminals on that. Okay, two more things real quick,
and then we're gone, Golden Boy. They're they're fighting this weekend.
They're working on Alexis roach of being back with Raoul Curiel.
All right, so what do we know? What do we think?
And might there be an announcement off the weekend here
from them about that fight?
Speaker 2: Probably not an announcement off the weekend, although I guess
it is possible. But look, if you go back to
their first to when they fought previously, they put on
last December just a bang out, tremendous, all out battle
h to you know, uh, limited but fun welterweights to watch.
They really put on a great action fight. They have
put themselves in contenders type position. Uh And they called
that fight a draw, and it was a tremendous fight
that the fans seemed to really like, and everybody was
sort of like, hey, let's do a remash now. Uh uh.
There was some I guess, some injury issues with Rocha,
so he took some time off and in the meantime
he had Kuriole. He came back, he got a win,
and now they're talking about doing this a rematch. The
dates that I was told by Golden Boy if they
can get a deal done, either January sixteenth or January
twenty third, it will take place in Palm Desert. There's
an arena in Palm Desert, California that they would do
this fight. And I spoke to Frank Espinoza, a senior
who is the manager for Curio. He said listen, we've
agreed with Golden Boy. They told me that Roacha will
do the fight, so you know, we're all on board,
working on a few details. I don't think the money
is necessarily one hundred percent. It hasn't been papered, but
I feel like knowing the guys and who are involved
with this, that they'll they'll work it out and.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be money. It's a contender welterweight main event.
And and Roach has been in wild fights in the
past with with either him scoring knockouts or him getting
It was Santion Right that destroyed him in the shocking upset, So.
Speaker 2: I c R. Kuriell is still undefeated. He would a
Mexican Olympian. And it's not a matter of like it's
not like mega money, but when you're dealing with this
type of fight, if it's a difference of one hundred
thousand or whatever it might be, that's still not insignificant.
So they got to get that all squared away. But
I feel like Golden Boys got a great trackcord of
getting their fights done. Frank Espinosa's got a tremendous track
record as a manager of getting fights done for his
guys and uh and Alexis Roch has never run from
a guy. So I feel like this fight's gonna happen,
all right.
Speaker 1: And one more thing that we have that we have
for you, and that is I did. I'm gonna pay
it off. It seems like a month ago that I
mentioned Edgar Berlanga's name on this podcast. Tell me about
Berlanga and that he may be back. When last we
saw him he got dispatched by Hams as Charras. So
Berlanga may be back and against whom and when? What
are we looking at?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he got drilled in the fight that was
over the summer on the Ring Magazine card that took
place at the tennis facility in Queens, New York, you know,
one of the places where they do the US Open,
that was back in July. Hams of Sharraz, you know,
came to New York, his hometown and and just gave
him a quickly there's a rough knockout, and so Berlanga.
I've talked to people involved with the event if it
happens and what they're moving forward to doing. And again
it's not done yet, but probably going to get done.
Is he will go back with PBC, he will do
a fight with Armando Rizendez for the WBA's interim Super
Middleway title. Resendez, if you remember, it wasn't that long
ago that he fought Cayleb Plant on a PBC card,
non pay per view card, as I recall, and he
scored the humongous upset. Remember that was the fight they
were trying to position Charlot and Plant if they had
both were to be the winners, to fight each other
on pay per view at the end of this year. Well,
when Plant lost the fight, they still may fight each
other down the road, but it won't be at the
end of this year. And so Rezenda's got the win,
and so now they're looking to do him on a
card once they get back to the new year January
February timeframe, probably Resentdas against Edgar Berlanga. So Berlanga's got
a name. He's obviously very polarizing. You either love him
or you hate him, but he's got a good power.
He usually makes a good fight, where Zendez, you know,
came off a big win, and so as a fight
that might be on a pay per view under Carter,
perhaps even a main event of a non pay per view.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: All right. We'll rely on the substack again. You need
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We covered a bunch here tonight. We'll see what happens
with this Ortiz Lubin main event on the weekend. And
we keep saying this, We've got better fights coming here
in November. It's finally gonna crank up over the next
three or four weeks, so we get some better fights here,
including let's see if there are some fireworks in Fort Worth, Texas.
Other than that, my friend, have a good weekend and
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