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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. Yes, Indeed,

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we get ready for a weekend in Fort Worth, Texas

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where Virgil Ortiz is back and finding a prominent name

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ericson lubin. We're ready to preview that fight, the cards

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that are on that fight. We've got some five news

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and a lot more. It is the Big Fight Weekend

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Preview Podcast. I am the somewhat capable host, TJ Reeves.

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Hello to our insider, the Fight Freaks Unit, substack is hoppin'.

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It's buzzing that and the newsletter you should be on that. Hello,

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Speaker 2: As the kids say, TJ. It's popping.

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Speaker 1: Also find our YouTube page. Stay engaged there. As the

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fights become more prominent, we'll do a little more interactive stuff.

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You and I will probably go live. We'll do it live.

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We'll do it live on the YouTube page. We got

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plenty of nostalgia there as well, like the Anniverse Tree

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of the Foreman, More it happened, Knockout. We'll have that

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on the Rumble in the Jungle, Ali and Foreman as well.

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Kind of fascinating. As you've always told us, the bookends

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that George regaining the heavyweight crown was roughly what was it,

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twenty years almost to the same day, not exactly the

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same day, but Clay close to it.

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Speaker 2: Was like twenty years of the week. But the best

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party is wearing the trunk.

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Speaker 1: Same trunks as he wore in Zaieir that he wore

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in Vegas when he knocked out Michael Moore. So we

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love the nostalgia. Go check that out. We'll have more

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on the YouTube page. Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. Go

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lock it, especially with these more prominent fight cards coming up.

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All right, let's get into it. We do have an

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intriguing matchup coming up here for the WBC Interim Junior

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Middleweight Championship, Virgil Ortiz and Ericson Lubin Ortez, known as

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a big time knockout guy. We've known Lubin for some

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some big time the Hammer for some big time shows

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with premier boxing champions. This is a Golden Boy de

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Zonne show from Fort Worth and as we head into

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this weekend, it's the most prominent main event fight. Give

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me more on this one as we build towards Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a really good fight, TJ. This is

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this is one of those kind of fights in terms

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of my expectations for a pretty good action where you're like,

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you know what, I gotta make sure I'm watching that

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one live because it's that kind of fight they're in.

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As we've discussed over the last several weeks, probably the

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best division of boxing right now in terms of the depth,

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maybe not in terms of the names and the superstars,

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but in terms of the depth of talent in the

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weight class between these two guys and others, whether it's

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you know, Fondora Thurman unfortunately was postponed with those guys,

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and you've got Xander's Ice about to announce his next time,

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his first title defense. You have Baker Martez Lee of

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getting ready to fight Josh Kelly. He's an excellent fighter. Also,

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both those guys are top you know, good contenders and

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or champions. I mean, so it's a it's a very

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loaded weight class and this is one of those fights

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a few weeks ago of Jeron Boutsenniz coming up, and

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his name will be I'm sure mentioned probably about I

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don't know ten thousand times on Saturdays broadcast because besides

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the outstanding matchup that's taking place between Virgil Ortiz and

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Lubin is another storyline, which is that, as has been

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discussed over the past month or so since Ennis came

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into the Way class and scored a first round knockout

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in a walkover fight which Virgil Artis does not have

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a walkover fight, is that if Virgil Ortiz is the

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winner of his fight with Lubin, that there is the

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high probability that Golden Boy and Matroom will make the

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fight between Ortiz and Ennis that would take place in

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the early part of next year. And so Eddie Hearn

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has been out there saying him and you know, Eddie's

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in the United States because he had his show recently

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in the Right and so I guess he's stuck around

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and they are going he boots are going to be

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supposedly ringside for this fight. Obviously they're they're all working

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on his own together and they want to be there

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to see what happens and and uh, you know, presumably

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be in the ring and call out the winner, especially

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if it's virtual Ortis. So from that standpoint that that's

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to me that that's sort of like the best part

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of the scheduling of boxing is where you have a

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really good fight right there ready to go and we're

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all set to watch on Saturday, but knowing that if

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at least if one of the guys wins and no injuries,

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et cetera, that there's a good chance that he's gonna

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fight an even bigger fight, which is against Ennis. So

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that's exciting, But in terms of him and Lubin, look,

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it's the hell of a fight. Virgil Ortiz was, uh,

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you know, a top prospect at one hundred and forty

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pounds a number of years ago, eventually move up, moved

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up to welterweight. We know his his problems in terms

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of his health and making weight. The blood disorder that

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he had that was causing problems that messed up his schedule.

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Speaker 1: Are you are you going to try the official name

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of the blood disorder? You're gonna go with the nickname Rambo?

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Wasn't it? Rambo was the like, So that's not alone, right,

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but that was the nickname, right of the blood disorder.

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not making light of it. It hospitalized him, and it

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is fair to say it has been in the past,

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calling into question his career and his longevity. But he

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seems didn't we get to like the fight week of

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the fight with Stanionis, right, and it cropped up again.

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So right now as you and I do this Thursday

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Speaker 2: Friday, that that was that was a wait issuere not

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Speaker 1: I understand, but it also cropped up with the UH

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with the standards and one of those right on the

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disorder to this point.

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Speaker 2: But then the main point I'm trying to make here though,

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is in twenty twenty two, it fucked up the second

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half of his year. He didn't fight it all. In

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twenty twenty three, right, he had missed the fight with

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Stanionis because of the weight and perhaps partly because of

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the blood situation, and then he started anew. He came

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back at junior middleweight and ever since then there hasn't

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been any issues. He's looked fine. He's had a very

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consistent schedule. He fought three times in twenty twenty four,

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he fought once already earlier this year. He'll fight his

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second time against Lubin on on Saturday, and he's looked terrific.

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So at junior middleweight. You know, he had a couple

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of soft touches, I grant you, and a lot of

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people get on his case about that because of the

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way I got on Bootennis's case, But to me, there's

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a massive difference. He was coming off of a year

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and a half layoff after having serious serious medical issues

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and having not fought at that weight, and so he

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was like, all right, let me take this fight. And

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he got a first round knockout against Frederick Lawson. And

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then the Thomas DeLorme fight, which was the next fight,

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was certainly he was a huge favorite, but I don't

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think anybody really expected a first round knockout. He just

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caught him and knocked him out. But ever since then,

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the two fights post the two introduction fights to the

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Way class, he has had solid, tough fights, gone the

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distance in both of them against two legit times ten contenders.

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He had an absolute war against Sir hey Boachuk that

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was in August of twenty twenty four. He got knocked

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down twice in that fight, first time to my understanding,

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he'd been down in his whole career. But he did

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enough to win the fight on a close call. I

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thought he deserved. The fight was a tremendous battle, a

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super fight, fight of the Year type candidate. Came back

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fought Israel Madromov in the next fight. That was the

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fight in February of this year, another good victory for

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him that was also competitive, but certainly he was the

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winner of the fight. That one took place in Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 1: By the way, while you're here and you're making mention

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of that fight, and I know you gave the whole

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spin about boots In thiss and moving up and being ringside.

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That's the fight we could have had drinking February, and

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boots In has screwed that whole thing up and then

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tried to spin it and then talked out of every

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side of his mouth about being unified and undisputed at

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welterweight and then moved up one fight later to junior middleweight. Anyway,

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but now, but Ortiz took care of his part and

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took care of his business in February, and now here

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we are with this one.

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Speaker 2: Right. So now if he does defeat lub and then

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presumably they'll go back and they'll you know, I guess work.

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I mean, they had a deal in the way was

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the issue when the fight didn't happen in that other

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time slot they were supposed to do it. The financials

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and all that business was done, so I see absolutely

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zero reason why they can't revisit that and have they

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already have. I mean, even if the numbers change a

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little bit or there's a tweak here, tweak there, they

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have certainly an outline of what everybody's expectations are.

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Speaker 1: Isn't a big factor that Turkey Alaschk was paying on

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that card in Saudi Arabia? I mean, I don't know,

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you do the reporting. Is the money really there for

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a main event of Anis and Ortiz like it would

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have been for the other one?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, though probably it'll be a pay per view,

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first of all, I'm sure that's the first thing. The

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second of all, everybody involved on their stands that if

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Turkey's not like Turkey, I guess could try to do

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the fight on one of his events and bankroll it.

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And if he doesn't, okay, it's still a good fight.

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It's probably one of the best fights you can make

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among a Marria contenders in terms of both of them

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have somewhat of a fan base and you can put

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that fight a lot of places that would sell tickets

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for his own it would it would be a ten

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pole type event. It's the kind of pay per view

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where even if you don't like pay per view, you

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still might strongly consider buying it because there really is

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that good of a fight on paper and in the

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terms of the fight on Saturday, the Lubit fight. It

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may not be at the same name or anticipation level

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of an n S fite, but that's still a hell

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of a fight. I mean, a lot of people are

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sort of discounting ericson lubin, which I don't really quite get.

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Speaker 1: The guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's got two losses, both my knockout, and he's

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been feels like he's been around forever since twenty thirteen.

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He's been a pro. But he's only thirty years old

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and Virgil's twenty seven, so they're in the same you know,

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age bracket, if you will. And here's a guy that

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I picked years ago as the prospect of the year.

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He may not have lived up to all the hype necessarily,

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but he's still been an outstanding contender. He took the

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loss that is, you know, pretty unforgettable for me. Anyway,

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I was their ringside when he got blitzed in the

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first round, challenging for a drum middleway time against Jermale Charlow.

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That was all the way back in twenty seventeen, and

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I think everybody agrees that he was just rushed into

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that fight way too soon, not enough experience, too young,

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got drill, Yeah, got absolutely wax in that fight, then

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went on a long winning streak and you know, look,

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he had a Fight of the Year contender in twenty

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twenty two. He got stopped in the ninth round by

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Sebastian Fondora. Nothing to be ashamed of in that at all.

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It was a highly competitive fight, super close on all

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three scorecards until he got stopped. And actually, his trainer,

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Kevin Cunningham, I have ample respect for, halted that fight

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understandably after round number nine, and ever since then he's

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won three fights in a row. Now. The second of

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those three fights was the decision he received against Hayesus

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Ramos in September of twenty twenty three. I thought that

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Ramos won the fight. A lot of people did.

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Speaker 1: Terrible decision, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I make the point here, Kj's even if he

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took the loss to Ramos, it doesn't mean, he's still

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not a good contender. He just have lost a good,

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solid fight by decision to another good young fighter. He

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came back and in his most recent fight, which was

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actually an elimination fight for the Baker martazalev IDF title,

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he knocked out R. Dre L Holmes in the eleventh round.

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Speaker 1: What was going on? Clarify what was going on that

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he didn't fight at all in twenty twenty four and

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we've only really seen him. This is only going to

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be the second time in the last two years. Was

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it injury? Was it promotional problem trying to find the

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right fight. I mean, he has not been very active

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for Shure.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't know the reason for that. That's a

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good point. He did he did. He was out of

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the ring for the calendar year of twenty twenty four,

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and I don't know if there was an injury. It

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wasn't a promotional things. He's with Probox, but also has

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relations that are still good with PBC, so that was

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not the issue. But the point is he won that eliminator.

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They took it to the limit before the purse bid

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for his he would have been the mandatory challenger for Martazalev.

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He pulled out of that fight, which left Martazaliv sort

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of in the hole looking for another pony. Ultimately they

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went up with Josh Kelly, but he kind of got

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knocked off schedule for a few months of not trying

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to of not having something enough. But the reason he

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pulled out of that person bit not because he was,

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you know, scared to fight Martazealev. It's because they had

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a great offer to fight virgial Ortiz and a fight

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that is inarguable is a bigger fight, even if it's

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not for a full world title, And so he goes

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into this fight, you know, with a with a high expectations.

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I mean, he's a rough guy to fight. He's a

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southpass so is Virgil artist, So southba versus southpaw. It's

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just to me, it stacks up like an outstanding fight.

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I'm not saying it's going to be the fight of

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the year, but I'm saying it's something that is worth

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paying attention to for the fight itself as well as

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what could come after, particularly in the event that Virgil

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is the winner. It's it's uh people want evenly matched,

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competitive type fights. This is no worse than like that.

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Speaker 1: And and by the way, when has Ortiz been in

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a bad fight like at least in the recent and

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that's the point that he can punch, So that's what

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at least we're hoping for, has been in.

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Speaker 2: A bad fight like the the Holmes fight. I feel

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I watched that fight. I feel like that was really

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the onus of that of being so terrible, was really

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homes for just didn't want to didn't want to come

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to fight at all.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that's the main event. Tell me about

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Darius Fulgium and David Stevens in the super middleweight co

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feature and what we're looking forward to that one.

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Speaker 2: So the original co feature was supposed to be Floyd

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Schofield coming off of his big victory I was supposed

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to by Jojo Diaz, which I didn't like that matchup anyway,

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because not because of Schofield, but because Diaz, you know,

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was long faded and had no chance to win in

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that in that fight in my opinion. But Schofield suffered

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the injury. I think we discussed it on one of

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the shows. Instantly corrects the wrist injury or something or other.

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So he pulled out of the fight. That was the

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co feature, so Darius Fulgum and David Stevens that was

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the next fight down on the televised main card, on

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the own main card. And that's this is sort of like,

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you know, a pair of up and comers, if you will,

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Maybe they're not up and comers because they're a little

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bit older in terms of where you would necessarily view

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a prospect. Stevens is only twenty five years old, but

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full was already twenty nine. But it's it's a it's

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a fight that sort of positioning yourself. You know, I

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don't I can't tell you who I think. I think

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I have a pick in the fight. I guess I

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would pick if I was we were doing the bet

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us showing you know, support, I guess. But in terms

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of the matchup on paper, like it's a pretty even matchup.

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One guy's fourteen and one ful Gium who was a

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top amateur. Stevens is fifteen and two, and uh, you know,

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the winner is going to be able to take a

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step forward. The loser maybe uh you know, find himself

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behind the eight ball. And even when full Gum he's

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coming off of his only loss. He went twelve hard

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rounds against the bully h Melikuziev. That was a title

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eliminator in a super you know, for a super middleway title.

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He lost a close, you know, a very close fight

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in that one. It wasn't like he disgraced himself and

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he was fighting against a very reputable opponent. So if

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there's such a thing as like a you know, I

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don't know I want to say. I never want to

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say a fight A loss is a good loss, but

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an understandable loss, a forgivable loss. He didn't disgrace himself.

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He didn't get beat by a nobody. He got beat

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by a good contender, and presumably that fight was back

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in May. Whatever he did is try and can't bleed

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up to this fight with Stevens that maybe learned a

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little something out of it and you know, can get

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back on the winning track, if you know, if he's

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been able to overcome that defeat, I still think even

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at fourteen and one, Fulgium has got a chance to

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maybe do something and make some noise in the weight class.

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In terms of Stevens, he's younger, he does have the

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two losses with the one KO loss he's had a

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little bit more of a checker passed over the last

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couple of years. He's two and two in his last

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four fights. Fulgrum clearly is the favorite in the fight,

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but he too lost a split decision to Melikuzia back

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in twenty twenty four, So they do have that in

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terms of a common opponent. And you know, we'll see

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if what happens with the with the third part of

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that threesome, I suppose.

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Speaker 1: And then what else on this undercard? Real quick of note,

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if anything here for Golden Boy, they have several other

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fights on the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I mean, unfortunately not the strongest

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undercard that we've ever seen. Obviously, they were hoping that

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Schofield would be in his fight. They do have a

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new fighter that they signed, all that not all that

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long ago. Amari Jones, a middleweight point was closely associated

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in the team of Devin Haney. It was also a

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good prospect they have, so anyway, so he's on the show.

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You have the heavyweight who was the United States.

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Speaker 1: Olympian, Joshua what Edwards, right, josh Edwards.

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Speaker 2: Who's look when I watched him in the Olympics, I

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didn't think anything of him. I was like, I had

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this conversation earlier today actually with somebody that was chatting

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me up about the show this weekend, and I was like,

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when I watched Joshua Edwards in the Paris Olympics and

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I watched his fights, I'm like, he's terrible. I mean,

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just being honest, He's how in the world, in a

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country of three hundred and fifty million or so people,

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we can't have a halfway decent American heavyweight boxer in

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the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Because it was the prime indication of what USA amateur

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boxing is right now.

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Speaker 2: So so he did his amateur career, he finished up

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with the Olympics, and when he turned pro he had

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signed with Golden Boy And I'm gonna now as much

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as I was like scratching my like, what are we

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doing here in terms of the American heavyweight scene for

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amateur boxing, he has looked a one tot eighty as

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a professional strong powerful. Obviously they're matching him, you know,

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with not superstar names.

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Speaker 1: But he hear the phrase in other sports the light

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has gone on, at least early on. The light has

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gone on here for whatever the level of competition is.

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And look you still want to see more, and we

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all want to see more.

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Speaker 2: All I know is this, in the professional ranks that

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I've seen, I've seen a heavyweight with apparently a good attitude,

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in good shape, good proportions, about two hundred and twenty

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five pounds, six foot three, classical type of heavyweight size,

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showing good power. Obviously, I take that with a grain

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of salt, because when you're matching prospects in their first

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handful fights, especially heavyweights, you're not fighting top names. Getting

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knockouts as much easier than it will become when you're

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fighting real guys, you know, as you develop, if he delves,

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But so far, so good. He's been explosive, he's been interesting,

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and he is, I guess, at the moment, in terms

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of a guy with under let's say ten fights, probably

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the best hope for America at the moment, you know.

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And I say less than ten fights, because they're still

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other guys around, like a Richard Torres that we have

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talked about. But so he's on this card. It's not

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don't expect it to be like some kind of you know,

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amazing matchup, but he's it's he's, you know, what they say,

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to become something spectacular at whatever your your your field

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of work is, you got to put in your ten

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thousand hours of work. He's doing his ten thousand hours

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right now, like he's getting his experience. He's hopefully getting

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some rounds, seeing different looks from opponents and working on

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whatever they work on the gym, trying to implement it.

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Speaker 1: I've definitely put in ten thousand hours with you do

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I get a hamburger for that. I'm just being facetious

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right about now. So we'll see if it pays off

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any for Joshua Edwards and his development. And what about

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the cruiser weight? Is it so far? That's the other

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guy on this you have it on my rundown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the card all so so far. I

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mean he's sort of an interesting guy. Also. He's eighteen

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and zero with thirteen knockouts. He's originally from Sweden, but

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he's been based out of Las Vegas. I guess the

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first time anybody really ever heard of him or made

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an impression on anybody was last year in May in

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Saudi Arabia where he finished off the remnants of Sergey

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Kovalev who had moved up to cruiserweight, and he knocked

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him or he didn knock him out, but he dominated

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him right. He knocked him down in the tenth and

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final round and he won, you know, a decision.

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Speaker 1: Again. I've always said if you're in Fort Worth, Texas

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on a Saturday night, you got to watch out from

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the guy for the guy from Sweden by way of

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Las Vegas. And that's what you're saying. Keep an eye

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on the guy from Sweden by way of Las Vegas

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and the cruiserweight fight on the undercored.

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Speaker 2: You know again, he's somebody to watch in that division.

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Now for Golden Boy, it makes sense because they're invested

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in the cruiserweight division. They obviously the promoter for Zerdo Ramirez,

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who was the unified champion, and they've got I think

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a couple other guys on their roster also, So Safar

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is going to be on this card. And you know,

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he looked good against covid Lev. I know it wasn't

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the covid leed that we knew back in the day

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when he was a pound for pound guy. Tovilev did

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come back after that fight and get a farewell victory

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supposedly what was going to be his final fight. So

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Safar is on the card again. Now he's fighting an

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eighteen and oer opponent. I have to confess Derek Miller Junior.

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Who's the opponent who is eighteen and oh with ten knockouts,

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a thirty five year old from Michigan I have not

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heard of. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: And if the man has not heard of him, that's

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pretty bad in terms of notoriety and who is if

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he's an American fighter, if you've not heard of him,

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So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: When I look at his record, and I looked at

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Miller's record, there's really nobody that would jump out at

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you whatsoever. All Right, so far as I got to

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keep an eye because he's got a ranking I think

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in some of the organizations, and he does have to

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win over COVID eleven. Golden Boy did sign him in

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the Cruiser Weight took place where you can maybe make

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some noise.

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Speaker 1: So lots of undercard fights, but again the big one

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is or Tees and Lubin. We look forward to seeing

473
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,599
that main event and what happens in the one hundred

474
00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:41,920
and fifty four pound division after that for the winner,

475
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,880
particularly if it's Ortees who's got a following. I do

476
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,839
have a source in the Dallas Fort Worth area, and

477
00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:49,240
I'm just telling you for what this is worth. I

478
00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:51,920
got a couple of different media friends, and one of them,

479
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,799
I ask, because I always do, he knows about boxing

480
00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:56,519
and about big events. I said, he is there very

481
00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:59,480
much buzz about the Dickey's Arena in Fort Worth of

482
00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:02,559
this fight, And he said no, I mean the Cowboys

483
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,519
played on Monday night. You've obviously got Cooper Flag your

484
00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:08,799
boy from Duke who is now debuted with the Dallas Mavericks,

485
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,880
et cetera, et cetera. The Dallas Stars hockey has started up,

486
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,279
University of Texas football. I don't know what kind of crowd.

487
00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:17,519
It's a big arena, it's a concert vineyard too. I

488
00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:19,119
don't know what kind of crowd they're going to have

489
00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:24,039
or tease again, is from Grand Prairie, Texas in that area.

490
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,440
Let's see what kind of draw there is, et cetera.

491
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,079
Speaker 2: But at least not sure why though that it's not.

492
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,359
I mean, by all accounts, it's not been a big

493
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,759
draw at the moment. That's unfortunate because it's a good matchup.

494
00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:36,799
I mean, it's certainly something worth checking out. I didn't

495
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,200
look at what the ticket prices are, but I did

496
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,279
look on as I do for a lot of bigger

497
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:43,519
fights or fights that I think are good fights. I

498
00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:46,079
went and I looked not today, but like probably two

499
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,240
three days ago. I looked on Ticketmaster. Alas is awesome.

500
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:52,480
People tweeting about it. There was a lot of tickets available.

501
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,319
I mean, it's unfortunate. I mean, maybe it'll change, there'll

502
00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:55,920
be a walk up, who knows. But like you said,

503
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,359
when you're playing in the fall, especially in a place

504
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,079
like Texas where it's so dominated by the Cowboys and

505
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,839
college football and not to mention the hype over flag

506
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,519
in the everything else, Yeah, Texas. Uh, you know, basketball

507
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:10,400
just started up there on my boys from Duke whooped

508
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,680
them up right the other thing in their opener of

509
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,119
the season. So there's a lot of competition for your

510
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,680
sporting dollar, I guess is the way to put it.

511
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: Well, And you can't comprehend until you're there. Until you're there.

512
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,839
If you think it's ridiculous nationwide about the Cowboys in

513
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,359
that market, that's all it is. Uh, you know, and unfortunately,

514
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,599
horribly we're not going to get sidetracked. But they have

515
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:35,880
a player in Marshawn Neelan that unfortunately has taken his

516
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,599
own life in a in an awful situation Wednesday night

517
00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:42,519
at Dallas Cowboy Player. That's dominating all the news late

518
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:45,519
in the week. Cowboys are not playing a game this weekend,

519
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:47,680
but that is everywhere. That's just what my point is

520
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,359
about that market. So let's see, let's see what kind

521
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,759
of crowd is there for Ortiz. Whatever it's going to be,

522
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,880
it's gonna be for the matchup with Lubin. All right,

523
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,960
let's get to some fight news. When we left the

524
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,160
podcast airway on the recap podcast, we were talking about

525
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,680
Jake Pohl and Tank Davis is likely off, and now

526
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,200
in fact it is off. And so now the question

527
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,759
becomes is this show going to be back on with

528
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:19,599
someone else? And who is that someone else? And that's

529
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:22,160
where we're going to get into all of this here

530
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:23,920
right about now.

531
00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, TJ, they haven't picked an appony yet. I mean,

532
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,759
there's been a lot of rumors. Maybe they have, but

533
00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:30,319
it's probably not been disseminated publicly. You hear about a

534
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:33,440
whole bunch of different people. They said when they announced

535
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,119
that the fight with Davis was off, they obviously were

536
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,279
not going to go on the initial date, which was

537
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,559
November fourteenth, which is next weekend. But they did make

538
00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:44,279
the point that they would be back in twenty twenty five,

539
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,240
which means obviously the month of December. They certainly weren't

540
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,880
going to do the fight on I don't think Thanksgiving

541
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,519
that would be, you know, a very short notice after

542
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,960
the postponement or cancelation of whatever you want to call it.

543
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,000
So they'll figure it out. I mean, but they're so scattershot.

544
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,680
I mean, he just wants to fight anyway. It's like

545
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,519
weight class doesn't matter, like what sport they do doesn't. Right.

546
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,839
Speaker 1: Supposedly, you you cleared that they did talk to Ryan

547
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:09,839
Garcia briefly and they were told and we're gonna get

548
00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:12,160
into Ryan Garcia again for the second time here in

549
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,799
a second, that's not it. Francis and Ganu gave an

550
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,599
interview that they approached him, but he said it was

551
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,720
ridiculous money. And then there was some back and forth

552
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,920
barbs from Jake Paul and him, and I guess edgar

553
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,279
Berlanga made mention and we're gonna talk about Berlanga a

554
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:28,319
little bit. I don't know if Berlanga was lobbying for

555
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,519
the fight, or if if MVP reached out, but as well,

556
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:34,400
everybody wants the ticket.

557
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: But those are real boxing. There's real fights that are

558
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,880
gonna get made. Berlanga will get to it. There's other

559
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,680
things in the midst Ryan Garcia will talk about it.

560
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: I know what it is. Nate Diaz supposedly is on

561
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,720
the list for a rematch. They I don't know that

562
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,119
we have to have another Nate Diaz fight.

563
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,599
Speaker 2: We didn't have to have the first need Okay, now

564
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:55,240
I'm not knocking that. I mean it was fine, but

565
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,200
he did what he had to do. He won the fight.

566
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,880
It wasn't particularly a good fight. It wasn't particularly competitive. So,

567
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,400
in the immortal words of my good pal T Jares,

568
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,799
what are we doing here? How do you go from

569
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:11,200
fighting an exhibition against Tank Davis to just another nonsense

570
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:15,960
MMA fighter that you already defeated for Netflix money? Like

571
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,160
what Netflix wants big events and love it or hate it.

572
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,920
But Tank would have been a big event just because

573
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,039
of the absolute curiosity factor. There ain't no curiosity about Nadas.

574
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:25,559
Speaker 1: We saw it.

575
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,759
Speaker 2: I've seen Jake beat other non boxers before, you know,

576
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,160
so again, maybe they'll try to make that fight you

577
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,799
got notice for sure. But what I understand is that

578
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:39,079
whatever the prospect of Nadeas was, that was something that

579
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,759
was not something that was of interest to Netflix. I

580
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:44,640
can't speak to about whether it was of interest to MVP.

581
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:46,920
I'm sure it would be of interest in Adeas was

582
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,640
always going to be out there trolling for a payday.

583
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,559
Speaker 1: So I again asked this, because you've got other championship

584
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:54,519
fights they're not going to happen next week that are

585
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,880
on the undercard. Is we're just speculating, Is there still

586
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,000
a possibility that you no longer do this on NETFLI,

587
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,640
that you instead do it on his zone and he

588
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,720
fights somebody else that he wants to fight, and you

589
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:06,240
keep it. That's not gonna happen, all right.

590
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: You're not gonna go and suddenly have budget money from

591
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,680
the zone in the final month of the year. That

592
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,240
budget's already topped. They already know what they're doing. They're

593
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,839
not scheduling something in the last second. Now, Netflix had

594
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,160
obviously a certain amount of money carved out for November

595
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,400
to think that perhaps they could move that to December

596
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,039
or take less of it for a smaller sort of show.

597
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,440
I mean, I guess it's possible, but there'd be no

598
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,759
chance that they're now suddenly going to do it on

599
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:31,839
his zone in the final month of the year when

600
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:33,799
they already have a lot of other events schedule.

601
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,759
Speaker 1: It doesn't work like that one other and we might

602
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,200
as well get into this part. I mean, Jake Paul

603
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,880
took to social media on the day after all of

604
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,960
this was announced as canceled, and you love the words

605
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,839
he eviscerated. He eviscerated.

606
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,799
Speaker 2: There was a couple hours after the fight was canceled.

607
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,039
Speaker 1: Right, all right, so he eviscerated him on social media.

608
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,799
And one of the things that I think most people

609
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,960
believe rings hollow is there there was no problem apologize

610
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,200
for all of his bad behavior, including earlier this summer,

611
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,720
as long as the fight was still going on. And

612
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:09,119
now that he got himself in trouble yet again, Tank Davis,

613
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,880
now suddenly it's oh, we have all these standards, we

614
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,119
have this women's stable of fighters, and what he stands for.

615
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,759
He's garbage, but not paraphrasing blah blah blah blah blah.

616
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:21,599
Speaker 2: Well, no, you're not paraphrasing because he called him and

617
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,599
I quote that Grvonta Davis is an actual walking human

618
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,519
piece of garbage.

619
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he called them, stuff that he was

620
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,960
never going to say while they're trying to sell the fight,

621
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,319
no matter how true it is. And to me, again

622
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,559
I used the phrase rings hollow. It rings hollow that

623
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:43,359
you're saying this now when these these issues were already.

624
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,759
Speaker 2: There, understand, And I have a couple of thoughts about that.

625
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,880
The first thing is you're right, and also the fact

626
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,880
that they bounced them for the fight, whether it was

627
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,319
for business reasons, ticket reasons, the actual supposed of islands

628
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,720
that he committed against a woman who issuing him. If

629
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,160
that is the case, eventually the right thing was done.

630
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,359
They dropped him for the fight. How they finally got

631
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,119
to that decision, we don't really quite know yet. It

632
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,400
could be whatever we just discussed. It could be because

633
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,599
they found a second thought about it, like, hey, we

634
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,240
really shouldn't be doing this because of especially because of

635
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,400
our commitment to female boxing. Maybe again it was business.

636
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,559
All I know is the end result was appropriate that

637
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,240
they're not doing the fight. But it's very very legitimate

638
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,640
for anybody to question why did you make a fight

639
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,799
with Tank Davis in the first place when now he

640
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,599
has this current situation, but he already had like twelve others.

641
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:39,720
And by the way, if you take it a step further,

642
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:42,720
he fought Mike Tyson. Say what you want about Tyson

643
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:44,599
and what he's been the last twenty five years or

644
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,799
this that he's a convicted rapist. Say what you want

645
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,960
about Tank Davis. He's not a convicted rapist. He's never

646
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:56,240
gone to jail or prison for domestic abuse. Granted, you

647
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,440
know people drop cases and this and that, but Tyson's

648
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,599
actually a rapist based on his conviction. So he's gone

649
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,400
a fight with him who abused.

650
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: It reinforces what I was getting at, which is, as

651
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:11,880
long as the fight had come off and everybody got paid,

652
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,200
we're fine. But now you're ringing hollow with the oh,

653
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,759
this is so awful, he's so awful whatever, because you

654
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:19,720
can't have the fight.

655
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,839
Speaker 2: Okay, And that's fair. I totally get that. I do think, though,

656
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:27,279
and maybe I'm wrong, I do think that because of

657
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:30,319
the way the MVP handles their business, which is so

658
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,759
deeply involved in women's boxing, that this was also an

659
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,279
excuse to say, let's not be involved with this, that

660
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:38,759
that they.

661
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: Realize a convenient excuse.

662
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: Yes, again fair, but their position within the sport because

663
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,640
they are the number one promoter for female boxing and

664
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,559
have the best not every best fight, every top female boxer,

665
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,880
but they have you know, ten different women who are

666
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,759
among the top you know, twenty women in the world probably,

667
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,160
uh and a number of champions and obviously some of

668
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,640
the most well known female boxers and that sort of

669
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,640
thing that they probably realized, like, you know what, we've

670
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240
really been doing business with a guy who every other week,

671
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,279
it feels like, is being accused of, you know, beating

672
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,960
up a woman, particularly you know, in this instance, a

673
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,880
girlfriend for four or five months, or you know, the

674
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,519
mother of your children. I mean, these are not things

675
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,039
that you that any promoter should want to be involved with,

676
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,920
but even more so if you are putting yourself out

677
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,160
there as like the place for you know, the top

678
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,440
female boxing. So I'll say it again. How they got

679
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,920
to the decision is up for debate and whether it

680
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,400
was a good way they went about it or not whatever,

681
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,319
But I know this, at the end of the day,

682
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,119
the end result of being of bouncing him from the

683
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:43,160
fight was the right call.

684
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,599
Speaker 1: All right. Other news, we did touch on Ryan Garcia

685
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:51,240
off the weekend and Mario Barrios, and so give me

686
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,319
the latest here, including when we think this might happen

687
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:59,480
for the WBC Welterweight Championship. When Ryan Garcia hasn't wont

688
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,160
to fight it well alterweight and hasn't been ranked as

689
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,839
a welterweight, but is apparently going to fight for the

690
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,640
WBC title.

691
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,799
Speaker 2: Ryan Garci means big business and it is a business

692
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,039
after Also, I get that I don't love it, not

693
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,119
a fan of it at all. He's coming off a

694
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,480
loss to Rolando Romero in another welterweight title fight. He

695
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,160
didn't deserve to have a title al be it at

696
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,319
state that was for the WBA at the time, the

697
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,880
regular title, which was kind of ridiculous, but you know

698
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:25,440
that's the way they roll. But the thing they had

699
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,960
to deal with in terms of the fight, because there's

700
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,480
nothing new in terms of he's they're still trying to

701
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,119
make this deal for Barrios. That's not changed. What has

702
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,480
changed is one of the various things that they were

703
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,440
trying to accomplish in terms of making the fight. It

704
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,359
was one of those sort of hurdles they had a

705
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:41,440
clear because this fight is contemplated for early part of

706
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,039
twenty twenty six, where Garcia would challenge Barrios for the

707
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,359
WBC welterweight title is Oh, by the way, if you

708
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:49,880
go back to July of twenty twenty four, which is

709
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,519
a few months after his victory, that was changed no

710
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:56,000
contest against Devin Hainey because he failed multiple drug tests

711
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,519
and unrelated to the suspension he took, he happened to

712
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:02,359
be like several pounds overweight for what was supposed to

713
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,400
be a WBC Junior welterweight title fight because at the time,

714
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Devin Haney had that belt and he showed up like

715
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,440
what four pounds over and was ineligible to win that belt.

716
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,319
So it was after that fight a few months later

717
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,519
that he went on that crazy and I wrote about this,

718
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,200
this crazy rant he did like a live stream where

719
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:22,279
he you know, he used terrible racial language. He went

720
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:26,319
off about black people, the liberal use of the N word,

721
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,359
said terrible things about Muslims, you know, basically said I

722
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,880
hate black people. Literally, that was like a direct quote,

723
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,359
and the WBC We're like, we're not going to roll

724
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:39,799
with that, and they suspended him, which didn't mean he

725
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,759
couldn't fight. What it means, and people sometimes get confused,

726
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,319
as I made this comment. A lot of times when

727
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,079
it comes to things like drug testing and all kinds

728
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:50,720
of business, the sanctioning body can suspend the fighter, but

729
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,119
not from actually fighting. What they can do is they

730
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,759
can suspend the fighter and prevent that boxer from being

731
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:59,240
in their rankings which they control. They can suspend that

732
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,839
fighter from being involved in a doubt where they would

733
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:04,799
sanction a fight. So once he was suspended, Ryan Garcia

734
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,759
was ineligible to be in the WBC rankings, and he

735
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,039
was further ineligible to box for one of their titles,

736
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,320
being a world title, in interim title, a regional title,

737
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,199
what have you, to participate in any of their activities.

738
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,280
Whether he cared about that, I don't know. But in

739
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,000
the end, the fight between him and Barrios for the

740
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:24,119
WBC title.

741
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,519
Speaker 1: He cares about it now because it's not going to happen.

742
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,679
It's clearing the path for the fight to happen.

743
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,599
Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly the point.

744
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: So which other I don't want to go on for

745
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,880
fifteen more minutes. It only goes to reinforce again what

746
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,039
I was saying to you coming off the weekend, that

747
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,840
these organizations do everything in their financial interest that doesn't

748
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,119
have anything to do with the rankings, the other WBC

749
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,400
ranked fighters, etc.

750
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a question about that. What

751
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:48,519
business doesn't do what's in their financial interest?

752
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,679
Speaker 1: How about this the legitimacy, This is what I said.

753
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,039
The legitimacy of these titles and the credibility with the

754
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:59,559
fans only goes so far when you continue to do

755
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:03,079
things like what this is, which will just give anybody

756
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,719
a ranking or a title shot because it's in our

757
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,079
financial interest to do so. So you can't have both

758
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,320
sides of the argument. I'm not just saying you, I'm

759
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:16,519
saying anybody no has credibility when you're doing things like this.

760
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 2: Here's my question, and I don't really know what the

761
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,639
proper answerest. We all, I think can agree that Ryan

762
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:24,599
Garci doesn't deserve a welterweight championship fight. Obviously, you looked

763
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,559
terrible against Roly Romero, got knocked down, lost the Queen fight,

764
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:32,119
and hasn't done anything of consequence. Is like one in

765
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,159
two when his last three fights had the no contest

766
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,119
against Devin Haney where he showed up overweight and then

767
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,719
pop positive twice for drugs. Okay, we get all that.

768
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,840
So in terms of the things he said that were

769
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,840
you know, and I and I quote, I hate N word,

770
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,440
I'm anti black, I'm the KKK. Hey, let's go bring

771
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,559
George Floyd back to life. Obviously, go kill that in

772
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:56,199
word again.

773
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obvious horrible problems, horrible comments.

774
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: So here's here's the question. Now, I happen to think

775
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,239
that when all that shit was going on, he was

776
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,039
so fucked up on drugs and alcohol that it made

777
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,199
him do wacky shit because he clearly was having an

778
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,320
issue with substance abuse. Yeah, I'm not making a excuse

779
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,760
for him. I'm just being really.

780
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: And or this is how he actually is.

781
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,519
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't actually think that is okay,

782
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:21,639
but that's my opinion. But here's the question. I have.

783
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,119
All that said, putting aside the fact that he's going

784
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,119
to get this undeserved chance to fight for the title

785
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,199
most likely, what is the proper length of time he

786
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,719
should be suspended from WBC activity. None of the other

787
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,119
organizations did it, at least the WBC did it at

788
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,239
the time. It has been now since twenty twenty four,

789
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:41,719
it's been over to over a year and a half

790
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,400
now since that, or about a year and a half

791
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,800
since he's been suspended. So again I'm not saying I

792
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,039
agree or disagree with what my.

793
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,199
Speaker 1: Quarrel is it how long he was supposed to be suspended.

794
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,960
My quarrel is he has no business fighting for their

795
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,320
title Mario Barry.

796
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: Okay, one thing at a time, though, should he be

797
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,760
unders too?

798
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,119
Speaker 1: These two things are related. The bigger deal is not

799
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,519
that he's been quote suspended by the WBC. The bigger

800
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,079
deal is he doesn't belong in this title, fight for

801
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,239
merit in the ring the big that's the bigger deal

802
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,079
you're posing to me, Like, which is the bigger deal

803
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,159
that you broke your foot while being shot in the

804
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,360
chest and having to be saved in the hospital with

805
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,039
heart surgery. The bigger deal is I had to be

806
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,360
saved for the heart surgery.

807
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: That's a separate question. How long should he be suspended?

808
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: And I'm saying to you, I don't care on the

809
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,239
marig whether he no, but I don't care. I don't

810
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,320
care how to suspended. I don't think I've never suspended

811
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,519
for ninety days or six months. I don't care for

812
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:42,000
whenever these.

813
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: So he got suspended for a year by the New

814
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,840
York Commissioner for the drug test m H. And he's

815
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,000
already because he was.

816
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: He was perfectly overweight and dangerously fighter.

817
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,079
Speaker 2: But being overweight had nothing to do with the suspension.

818
00:37:56,199 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: He was dangerously overweight because he did cut weight and

819
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,840
then he also rehydrated while we fully relitigate all of this,

820
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,920
rehydrated with IVS and was on PDDs and it was

821
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,239
a dangerous thing that he did in the ring. All

822
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,880
of that doesn't understand, Okay, So that's a different argument too.

823
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:17,039
Speaker 2: Like his actual suspension by the New York Commission that

824
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,320
went for a year enforcing the forfeit is one point

825
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,199
one million dollar base person, right blust that fine. In

826
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:27,320
addition to that, my question is he did that and

827
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,639
he's now been it took he did the year, you know,

828
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:31,000
back dated to the data of the fight, like is

829
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,159
normal with any drug suspension. And then he said some

830
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,599
terrible things, but they were words and he got He's

831
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:39,679
been doing a year and a half for the WBC.

832
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,719
So my question is which is worse. One is longer

833
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,400
where he didn't Actually he said some terrible things, but

834
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,000
he didn't hit anybody, or I got anybody, or.

835
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:49,599
Speaker 1: I got it. The first two times you brought it

836
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:51,119
up I got it the first two times you brought

837
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:51,639
it up, and I.

838
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:52,639
Speaker 2: Do won't answer my question.

839
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,159
Speaker 1: You won't, I said, it doesn't. It doesn't really matter

840
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:57,480
whether he got ninety days for that or six months

841
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,559
from that. In terms of the magnitude of why is

842
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:05,360
he getting a title shot, we can discuss. That's the

843
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,480
bigger But but bro, the topic you keep harping on

844
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,960
isn't the bigger deal. The bigger deal is Mario Barrio

845
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,920
should either fight Manny Pacquiao in a rematch that would

846
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,960
be compelling. Well, I don't know. There's certainly a compelling

847
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,599
reason to see it because a lot of people, including

848
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,000
you and you were there, thought that Pacquiao won the fight.

849
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,199
The other thing would be, how about adhere to your

850
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,920
actual rankings and have Barrios fight the number one contender

851
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,440
in the WBC, which ain't Ryan Garcia, or if the

852
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,440
number one guy's not available the WBC.

853
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,159
Speaker 2: Everyone they have mandatories and there's time frames. His mandatory fight,

854
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,320
to my understanding, is not actually do at the moment.

855
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,239
He does have time on his calendar to do an

856
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,119
optional defense. Now, uh solo.

857
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: And again we've gone on for like ten minutes. They

858
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:56,199
also completely circumvented their rankings to let him fight Paqiao

859
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,960
in the first place, who'd been inactive for four years

860
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,320
and wasn't ranked. So the ones continue, and I come

861
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,119
back to the thing that I I.

862
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,679
Speaker 2: Just hold on a second. When I said to Marisio Suliman,

863
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,880
who was the president of the WBC, when they installed

864
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,599
Manny Pacio like number four or six or whatever in

865
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,320
the rankings after not fighting for four years and having

866
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,920
come off a loss so he could be eligible for

867
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,800
the title fight, Yep, that was ridiculous. And I think

868
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,000
when I talked to Mariso, and I think he realized

869
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,039
that that was not the right decision. He said as much.

870
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,679
What they should have done is just say listen, Manny

871
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:29,880
pack has been a great representative of the WBC for

872
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,039
twenty years. He's held our titles in a variety of

873
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,880
weight classes. He's a fucking legend. We love him. He's

874
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,599
an all time great. He's decided he liked to fight again,

875
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,519
and you know what, we're going to give him the

876
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,480
chance and if you don't like it, go pound sand

877
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:43,960
And they gave him the chance instead of the Kakamami

878
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,519
bullshit of like, well, he's in the rankings, so now

879
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,639
he's eligible. Just say, you know, membership in the All

880
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,719
Time Inner Circle Hall of Fame gives you privileges, and

881
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,400
fighting for a title is one of them. That's what

882
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,280
they could have said, and then it would shut guys

883
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,199
like us up because at least they were honest about him.

884
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,559
What can you say, They told.

885
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,559
Speaker 1: You what it is, and I'm being honest about this,

886
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,280
that it's an undeserved situation and Barrio should be finding

887
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,519
somebody else. But clearly they're going to go ahead with

888
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,840
this and fight sometime in early twenty twenty six. And

889
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,639
you'll keep us posted, provided that Ryan Garcia doesn't melt

890
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,960
down again and ruin that, which is notice is always

891
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,480
possible with this. All right, let's move on to a

892
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,239
couple more things before we get out. Get out of here,

893
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,000
because we've been here for a bit. I know Victor

894
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:28,840
Kanti passed away, who certainly has had a checkered pass.

895
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,559
Speaking of checkered pass including the early two thousands and

896
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,000
his involvement, we'll just say it with cheating and peds

897
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,280
in a myriad of sports now of course, yeah, so

898
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,239
and the whole Balco situation. All right, he passed away

899
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,280
earlier this week from pancreatic cancer. So I know you

900
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,320
you've been in contact with him, and you want to

901
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,760
relay a little more of your thoughts and your opinions

902
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,119
here about Kanti post being publicly disgraced as he should

903
00:41:58,119 --> 00:41:59,360
have been for everything that went on.

904
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: And Victor is not an angel. It was not a

905
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,559
perfect person, and who of us are He did his

906
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:07,639
time in prison when he was convicted after the Balco situation.

907
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:11,559
Of course, that was involving with Olympic athletes and Barry

908
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,519
Bonds and you know other baseball players. Shane Moseley was

909
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:18,039
involved with that circa his second fight with Oscar de

910
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:22,000
la Joya, testifying in front of a grand jury even

911
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,880
though he never tested positive, but that he had been

912
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,119
given the clear end or the cream. The designer steroids

913
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,920
that Victor was involved with creating that were not that

914
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,760
were being they were not you could there was no

915
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,000
tests that existed, so athletes could take these substances and

916
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,039
the people that were testing would never know because they weren't.

917
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:42,119
Speaker 1: A word is undetectable. He had affected a way to

918
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:44,760
take the peds and they were undetectable at that time,

919
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:45,519
and a lot.

920
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,679
Speaker 2: Of people will hold that against Victor Kante for the

921
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:49,960
rest of their life, and that's understandable for some people.

922
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,280
But the end result was an element of redemption. And

923
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,239
I don't want to get too like romantic about it

924
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,559
or anything like that, but you ever see the movie

925
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,199
Star Wars where Darts vade most evil fucking guy in

926
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,719
the world in the galaxy, in the Star System, and

927
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,000
at the end of the Return of the Jedi, he

928
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:08,719
redeems himself. Victor Conte is that figure because.

929
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,519
Speaker 1: He picked the emperor up and threw him down the

930
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:11,480
Never Never Land.

931
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,639
Speaker 2: Of the And in many ways, that's Victor Conte. He

932
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:18,000
came out of prison and he did and he dedicated

933
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:23,039
the rest of his life to being against peds and

934
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:26,199
and explaining ways that it could be done, and spilling

935
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,960
the beans on everything, and and taking up the mantra

936
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,679
to help get rid of peds in sport and became

937
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,519
a strong advocate for anti peds. Now, he did have

938
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,599
his his supplement business and his his in this you

939
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:42,280
know snack system, and he was working with lots of

940
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,119
athletes in boxing who weren't testing positive, who were top fighters.

941
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:49,800
He worked with Terrence Crawford, he worked with Devin Haney.

942
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,480
He worked with Dimitris andre andre Ward Claressa Shields, Mikey

943
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,960
Garcia before he retired. Mario Barrios was a snack fighter.

944
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,800
Dimitrius Andre uh you know, swore by his you know,

945
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,000
the program that was developed both in terms of the

946
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:06,880
supplements as well as also being involved in their physical training,

947
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,360
not the boxing training, but the you know, the the

948
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,280
strength and conditioning and that sort of stuff. He worked

949
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,679
with Andre Berto before he retired. Danny Jacobs. I mean,

950
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,039
he worked with a thousand guys in boxing, and he

951
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,280
had good relationships with a lot of those guys through

952
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,239
the years, even when they were not fighting. And like

953
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,440
I said, when I first met Victor, I was really like,

954
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:27,239
this guy is a dirty motherfucker, you know, Like you know,

955
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,239
I knew about good reason.

956
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,119
Speaker 1: He had been to prison for all he was doing. Right.

957
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: Look, I recorded extensively on the Ballcome Case with Shane

958
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,679
Mosley going back in the day. I think I was

959
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,679
still at USA today at that time or thereabouts. And

960
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,960
so when I first met Victor, I was very very

961
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,800
like wary. I got to know Victor over the last

962
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,559
three four years pretty well, Like we texted regular I

963
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,760
talked to him on a regular basis. I saw met fights.

964
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:54,840
I had dinner with him one time in Las Vegas

965
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,880
with a with a couple of people before Canelo fight

966
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,159
that he was involved with with somebody on the card.

967
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,199
In matter of fact, I can still remember very specifically

968
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,960
at that dinner and Victor was open like a book,

969
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,159
like he would just tell you anything. He told us

970
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,800
everything you wanted to know about his time in prison

971
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,960
when he went away for the conviction. Now he didn't

972
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,400
serve in like a maximum security prison. He was in,

973
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:20,280
you know, the so called country club type prison for

974
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,360
a convicted felon, but not for a violent crime. And look,

975
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,199
he did his time. He came out and he I

976
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,159
feel like he believe rates.

977
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: The word we use in the criminal justice vernacular was

978
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,519
he reformed. Do you believe absolutely was trying to do good?

979
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: That is what my belief is that as somebody that

980
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,559
spent time with him, that spoke to them regularly, that

981
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:43,800
dealt with him on a regular basis. Uh, he knew

982
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,079
his ship when it came to drug testing. And one

983
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:47,599
of the things he was very helpful to a lot

984
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,079
of the media guys because even if you didn't necessarily

985
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:51,840
quot him but like if there was a drug test

986
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,079
situation or whatever it may be, it was some kind

987
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,960
of substance on a regular basis, be like I would

988
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,440
call him up or I would text him. Can you

989
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,440
in England language terms like what would if if I

990
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:04,239
was a boxer and I took this, what would I

991
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,679
be trying to get out of it? He had an

992
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,320
easy way of explaining what things were and you could

993
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,760
break it down. So he was as polarizing a figure

994
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,079
as there will be. And he obviously he passed this

995
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,480
week now, back in June when he was diagnosed, so

996
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,239
he didn't live very long after the diagnosis. Pancreatic cancer

997
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,480
is one of those types of cancer that if you

998
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:26,440
find out you have it, chances are you're not yes.

999
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:30,480
Especially but when I when I was texting with him,

1000
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:31,719
when I this is, I went back and looked to

1001
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,880
my old text messages I had texted with him in June,

1002
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:37,559
and uh, we were going back and forth about whatever

1003
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,440
topic we were discussing, and uh, he said to me

1004
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:42,800
that he had been diagnosed with this, and you know,

1005
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,159
I said, listen, I'm really starting to hear that he

1006
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:45,960
has three daughters. I mean, so he's got the family

1007
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,800
that's uh, that's still around post his passing, and uh,

1008
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,039
he was very uh uh I thought that he would

1009
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:57,639
beat this, like he was positive feeling. Yeah, he's the

1010
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,760
I have good physicians. I've overcome adversity before. I obviously said,

1011
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,840
you know, listening, best of luck with everything, you know,

1012
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:06,000
wishing good thoughts for you. We texted a few more

1013
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,519
times after that, and at that point, I, you know,

1014
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:10,679
I kind of I knew from hearing from other people

1015
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,559
that that he was taking a turn for the worst

1016
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,840
and hadn't heard from him since, like I guess maybe

1017
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,280
like early July. Obviously, you know, he was near the

1018
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,320
end of his life. But he made a big impact

1019
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,559
on the sport. And if you ask the athletes that

1020
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,920
he's worked with, you know, whether it's Devin Hainey who

1021
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,280
posted some stuff on social media, or some of the

1022
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,079
other guys he's worked with, like, they'll tell you like

1023
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,639
he was a stand up guy all right after.

1024
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: The public can judge for themselves as well. On Conte again,

1025
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,920
thoughts and prayers to his family said.

1026
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: If you're never as bad as you are in your

1027
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,119
worst moment like he was with DLCO, and maybe you're

1028
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:45,480
never as good as you were in your best friend.

1029
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: Let me and let me just say this while we're here,

1030
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,239
we're being adults, and this I mean we fool around

1031
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,840
and talk about boxing all the time. I've got a

1032
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,079
good friend of mine that has been going through colon

1033
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,519
cancer colal rector cancler. Get yourself checked once you're the

1034
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:02,039
age of forty five. Most most of who's listening to

1035
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,880
us is adult males. Some of you are older. Some

1036
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,280
of you are in the wheelhouse where Rayfielder and I are.

1037
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,679
Get yourself checked from a myriad of things like pancreatic cancer,

1038
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,000
colon cancer, et cetera. Because the number one thing the

1039
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:22,239
cancer physicians say is early detection, that your chances of

1040
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,719
beating it go up astronomically if you find it quickly.

1041
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:30,239
So public service announcement from TJ and Big Dan. Get

1042
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,320
yourself checked because the friend that I'm talking to, unfortunately

1043
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:40,360
is suffering and said I never got myself checked, and

1044
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,639
I want to warn everybody. Do this. Take the time,

1045
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,519
do this, Make appointments with your physician. Get a colonoscopy done,

1046
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,960
especially if you're the age of forty five. Listen to

1047
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,960
me sounding like I'm the American Medical Association. Get a

1048
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,039
colonoscopy done, Get a pancreatic check, because again, these are

1049
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,599
kill when you are in your fifties. When you are

1050
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,440
beyond fifty five and sixty, these can be killers. Get

1051
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,039
yourself checked. I'm now off the public service soap box.

1052
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,760
But the ADA and the American Medical Association, they are

1053
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,880
approving of all of them.

1054
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: Do you think they'll give us a sponsorship for that.

1055
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,159
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll sponsor the show, but they're

1056
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:21,679
saying bravo, because yeah, you need you need to get

1057
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:24,360
yourself cha. Is it fun? No, it's no fun. But

1058
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,679
I was talking with a friend of mine that had

1059
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:30,320
to have it done, the Roto Ruter job, which I've

1060
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,800
had done. And by the way, the uh, the colon doctor,

1061
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:36,840
the gastro doctor told me I had a colon of

1062
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,679
a thirty year old. I don't know how they deem

1063
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,760
a colon of a thirty year old versus a fifty

1064
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,079
year old versus behalf of our entire but I'm just

1065
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:47,519
saying this has to be done. But anyway, he had

1066
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:49,519
the Roto Ruter job, and I said, listen, better to

1067
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:51,440
find out what's going on right now, go get the

1068
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,519
Roto Ruter job done. Tada. All right, speaking of let's

1069
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:55,880
just make it.

1070
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: Let's make a practice. Last time we talked about Colon's

1071
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:58,360
on the show.

1072
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, you never know, you never know

1073
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,800
here this is it's dangerous stuff. I just it hits

1074
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,960
close to home when you're hearing people talk about this

1075
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,679
stuff that are in your life. All right, let's move on.

1076
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,519
Speaker 2: We got heavy wait for this transition.

1077
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: We got heavyweight news. We got a fight that could

1078
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,679
happen because of a purse bid, and then another fight

1079
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,480
that's not gonna happen that might have been like a

1080
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:24,079
colo rectal exam. All right, so there's my segue. Give

1081
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,199
me the update on the IBF and the purse bid

1082
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,480
for Sanchez Dubois and now apparently we're not going to

1083
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:34,679
have Oh so sad Derek Chesorra and Dillian White, give

1084
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:35,559
me updates on both.

1085
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: So Sanchez, Frank Sanchez and Daniel Dubois, the former IBF

1086
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:44,000
title holder, they had been ordered to fight demand the

1087
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,760
eliminator to you know, for the IBF number one position

1088
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,960
in their rankings. And people are very questioning, like, okay,

1089
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:51,840
we went over this when it was first ordered. Why

1090
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,519
du wah would he just got knocked out in his

1091
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,840
last fight by exanner Usik in the fight for the

1092
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,360
undisputed title when he lost his belt. And the reason

1093
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,519
is very simple, because he wasn't original in the fight.

1094
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,719
There was other fights that were ordered and for different reasons,

1095
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,880
nobody would fight Frank Sanchez. They went through. You know,

1096
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,199
when he lost the fight to Usk, he didn't drop

1097
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,239
out of the rankings. He just didn't stay number one

1098
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,400
or stay as the champion. He was dropped down a

1099
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,760
bunch of positions. And so when you add fighters like

1100
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,360
Faa Jagba and Moses Atama and Richard Torres all turned

1101
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,679
it down. The next guy they got to in the

1102
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,079
rankings was Duba. Their team accepted their position. Now that

1103
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,199
doesn't necessarily mean they'll do with the fight. I think

1104
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,599
they were keeping their options open for whatever else is

1105
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,960
out there. But at the time that we're talking, they

1106
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,559
did not make a deal. And when that deadline comes

1107
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,280
and goes, the IBF schedules the perspit. I am told

1108
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:42,199
from both sides that there have never even really been

1109
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,760
any serious discussions about the fight, but that doesn't mean

1110
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,480
that somebody is not going to bid on this matchup.

1111
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,760
And so now the IBF has set up per spit

1112
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,760
for October. I'm sorry for November thirteenth for this purspit

1113
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:53,719
to determine.

1114
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: This next Thursday Friday, right right?

1115
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: Who with the promoter is so we'll find out. But

1116
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,639
it'll be very interesting to see a who bids and

1117
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:02,960
how much they bid, and if it's enough to entice

1118
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,639
Dubois to stay on this track and do it. Frank Sanchez,

1119
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:08,400
I think will do the fight regardless. He's just looking

1120
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,440
for an opportunity. He's won one fight since he suffered

1121
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,119
his loss in Saudi Arabia Dubis coming off of the knockout,

1122
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,880
and so if it actually happens in a in an

1123
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,880
active heavyweight time, this is a fight that would be meaningful.

1124
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,880
Dubois is you know, win or lose, He's usually going

1125
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,679
to be in an interesting fight either score spectacular knock

1126
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,440
at her gett knocked out spectacularly. Sanchez can be a

1127
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,639
little dull sometimes when you're in with a guy like

1128
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,599
Dubois that will come out firing. You know, he'll maybe

1129
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,719
forcing the fight a little bit. So we'll see. But

1130
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,760
I'm still not one hundred percent convinced that the fight

1131
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,599
will happen, but I do.

1132
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:46,119
Speaker 1: Get you don't even see fifty percent convinced. You said

1133
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:47,639
you talked to both sides and it doesn't seem to

1134
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:50,840
be interest. Maybe not that it's not that there's no interest.

1135
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: The Sancho side is definitely interested, and I think the

1136
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,880
Dubois side is interested as long as something better doesn't come.

1137
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:57,679
Speaker 1: Along, all right.

1138
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,199
Speaker 2: So, but they were ready to make a deal, I'd

1139
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,880
rather just take the time give themselves the extra and

1140
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:06,119
also the likelihood a few minutes before the purst bit

1141
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:07,199
actually happens in.

1142
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: The And I will just say it this way, because you,

1143
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,719
you again are plugged in. You know how the system works.

1144
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,119
What's the likelihood that Queensberry wants this fight because Queensberry

1145
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:18,119
has Daniel Dubois, and that they would bid in the

1146
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:19,840
purse bit or try to make a deal. Do you

1147
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,480
see that that's very likely or not very likely?

1148
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:24,599
Speaker 2: I don't would I say likely or unlikely. I think

1149
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:28,960
it's absolutely possible. Now keep in mind, Queensberry has most

1150
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,360
of the top heavyweights in boxing.

1151
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: So so let's segue then, because they have been talking

1152
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,639
about Chesa and Dillian White fighting again for a third

1153
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,239
fight on his own pay per view, But now that

1154
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,079
is apparently not happening, right, So does this make it

1155
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,039
more interesting that Queensberry might be interested in Dubois and Sanchez.

1156
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: I don't fill fill in the blacks. Frank Warren is

1157
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,760
very specific. He actually talked about this on the broadcast

1158
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,920
when they did the Fabio worldly Joseph Parker fight, and

1159
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,880
they had those two guys obviously were fighting, but he

1160
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,800
had all the other heavyweights were they're doing a joint interview.

1161
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

1162
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: Cabiel, Chosaura White, Atama, Tyson Ferior was there, although he

1163
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,400
says he's retired. There was a whole bunch of guys

1164
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,119
uh that were there talking. Uh, you know, Joe Joyce

1165
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,920
was there, Lawrence Akley, David Adelai. I mean, they have

1166
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:21,440
a lot of heavyweights under their banner, and if you're

1167
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,760
a promoter, you want to get go each different direction.

1168
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,239
Make sure you get a guy who's number one in

1169
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,639
the IBF. Try to get the guy number one on

1170
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,599
the WBC, the WA so you can keep it, keep

1171
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:32,760
it rolling. So they've got the number one guy in

1172
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,079
the WBC in terms of the interim champion, which is Cabo. Anyway,

1173
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,559
so the fact that they're trying to maybe do Sanchez

1174
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,519
and Dua, that would put Duat in position with the IBF.

1175
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,239
UH would just be another avenue to do that. Now,

1176
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,400
the Chosaura White fight wasn't really so much about UH

1177
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,960
championships or UH you know, getting a title shot. That

1178
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,360
was two old guys, you know, just trying to put

1179
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,400
on a show and and generate a big audience in

1180
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,159
a big crowd. Now, the interesting thing here is that

1181
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,599
Chasaurus actually ranked number one in the IBF right, but

1182
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:04,519
the time is gonna run out for him to get

1183
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,679
the fight if he doesn't stay active, and he's probably

1184
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:09,880
not going to get the shot, so he'll drop out

1185
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,360
of that position. And in essence, what it means is

1186
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,519
and santchiz happen?

1187
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: Okay, hold up, they gave her that position. Hear them.

1188
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,639
I can hear them in the distance on the pod,

1189
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:18,760
and we're going to be gone here in a couple

1190
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,679
of minutes. If Frank Sanchez is in an IBF eliminator

1191
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,519
and they can't figure out what to do with Dubois

1192
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:28,639
and Chasaa's in the number one position, doesn't it seem

1193
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,679
like Chiesara and Frank Sanchez would make sense then? Of course,

1194
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,800
not because it's boxing, because.

1195
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:37,199
Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with it, TJ. I mean,

1196
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,280
I really would encourage you. We've done this a thousand

1197
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,360
times with the IBF. Go spend fifteen minutes and read

1198
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,199
the IBF rules. You can, you can, you can bitch

1199
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,000
and moan about them, but they actually I don't like them,

1200
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,159
and they're sitting there, they're driving me fucking daddy, but

1201
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,239
they actually, if you follow it, what they're doing makes sense.

1202
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,000
The IBF title, First of all, it's a unified championship,

1203
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,719
so they're on a rotation basis. The IBF title, whoever

1204
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,760
becomes the mandatory is still fourth on the depth chart

1205
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,079
because the WBO is next, the WBC comes after that.

1206
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,079
I believe the WBA is after that, and the IBF

1207
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:12,159
is fourth. So the guy who wins is probably if

1208
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,280
Usik was to maintain the belts, you're talking about probably

1209
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,599
two years. But the flyer you take is that the

1210
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,000
chances are either a he'll lose, or the titles will

1211
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,159
become splintered, or he'll vacate. And if the IBF title

1212
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:28,039
becomes splintered and it's on its own, then the.

1213
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Guy who wins, right of course, I mean.

1214
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: Sanchez and DUBI is gonna get to fight either for

1215
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,639
the vacant title or is going to get elevated, perhaps

1216
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,559
as an interim or whatever, and so you put yourself

1217
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:41,400
in position for that. It doesn't mean you're necessarily getting

1218
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,440
the shot at USIK, So you always want to be

1219
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,440
in the position with one of the organizations. So Duba

1220
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:49,480
and Sanchez are angling for that. Tesora it's too long

1221
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:51,039
of a wait for him at his age and he's

1222
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:54,000
not going to get that opportunity almost ninety nine percent.

1223
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,119
So he wants to try to make the biggest fight possible.

1224
00:56:57,159 --> 00:56:59,280
So that comes to the White Tasori fight. If you

1225
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,000
go back a couple weeks ago, Frank Warren was talking

1226
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:03,599
about how we're going to do this fight. It's going

1227
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:05,199
to be a big deal. He spoke about it on

1228
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,719
the de Zone broadcast, that we want to make this match.

1229
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,920
You had Derrek Tasaur saying it's one hundred percent going

1230
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,320
to happen. You had Dylan White saying, you know, I'm interested,

1231
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,000
but the money's got to be right, the contract's got

1232
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,840
to be right. But everybody left that interview and those

1233
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,400
comments is like, Okay, this fight's happening well as I wrote,

1234
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,440
and people don't want to believe me, and that's fine.

1235
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,119
I really don't give a shit, But I'm telling you

1236
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,360
the fight isn't happening. And it's not because the money's

1237
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,280
not right for White, it's because Chesa decided that he

1238
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,880
didn't he was not amenable to whatever the deal points were,

1239
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,800
and so therefore, unless they sweeen it, which they weren't

1240
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,719
going to do, he's not doing the fight. And on

1241
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,719
top of that, you had a December thirteenth date where

1242
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,440
I feel like, because it was supposed to be a

1243
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:47,840
pay per view, I was this is one of the

1244
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,960
things I heard about this is that they were starting

1245
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,039
off second thoughts about trying to promote this fight, which

1246
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:54,519
is a little bit of a hard sell, even though

1247
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,639
they're popular figures, because they already did fight twice and

1248
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,679
White won both fights, you know, over the last several years.

1249
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,320
One was in twenty sixteen, one was in twenty eighteen,

1250
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:10,000
that at Christmas time, not a title fight, not you know,

1251
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:11,880
something we've never seen before, not a lot.

1252
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,519
Speaker 1: Of billion White getting destroyed in August in less than

1253
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:15,119
two minutes.

1254
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:18,639
Speaker 2: All those factors sort of made that a hard sell,

1255
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,559
combined with a little bit of a shorter runway because

1256
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,000
we're already approaching, you know, the second part of November.

1257
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:28,320
So in the end, all the talk and all the

1258
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,400
guarantees that Shasora White three was happening on December thirteenth,

1259
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,679
it is not happening. Not only not happening on December thirteenth,

1260
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,440
but most likely not happening period.

1261
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: All right, By the way, I need to retort just

1262
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,800
from one thing, I don't need any more lectures about.

1263
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,039
Go read the IBF rulaship about whatever when you come

1264
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,159
on this podcast, and then blast them because they don't

1265
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:51,639
follow what they're doing, and you have done that in

1266
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:52,360
the past, and.

1267
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: Y IBF follows their rules most of the time.

1268
00:58:57,239 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: There you go.

1269
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: So can cite two instances in recent years where they

1270
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,880
flagrantly broke their exactly but compared.

1271
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: But that's like going into prison and the varying degrees

1272
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,880
of the criminals on that. Okay, two more things real quick,

1273
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,400
and then we're gone, Golden Boy. They're they're fighting this weekend.

1274
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:20,480
They're working on Alexis roach of being back with Raoul Curiel.

1275
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:22,599
All right, so what do we know? What do we think?

1276
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:24,840
And might there be an announcement off the weekend here

1277
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,079
from them about that fight?

1278
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,679
Speaker 2: Probably not an announcement off the weekend, although I guess

1279
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,400
it is possible. But look, if you go back to

1280
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,320
their first to when they fought previously, they put on

1281
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,239
last December just a bang out, tremendous, all out battle

1282
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:44,440
h to you know, uh, limited but fun welterweights to watch.

1283
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,000
They really put on a great action fight. They have

1284
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:51,519
put themselves in contenders type position. Uh And they called

1285
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:54,119
that fight a draw, and it was a tremendous fight

1286
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:56,360
that the fans seemed to really like, and everybody was

1287
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,800
sort of like, hey, let's do a remash now. Uh uh.

1288
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,840
There was some I guess, some injury issues with Rocha,

1289
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,280
so he took some time off and in the meantime

1290
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,519
he had Kuriole. He came back, he got a win,

1291
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,760
and now they're talking about doing this a rematch. The

1292
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,800
dates that I was told by Golden Boy if they

1293
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,920
can get a deal done, either January sixteenth or January

1294
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,440
twenty third, it will take place in Palm Desert. There's

1295
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,079
an arena in Palm Desert, California that they would do

1296
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:24,559
this fight. And I spoke to Frank Espinoza, a senior

1297
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:27,880
who is the manager for Curio. He said listen, we've

1298
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,559
agreed with Golden Boy. They told me that Roacha will

1299
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:32,840
do the fight, so you know, we're all on board,

1300
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,800
working on a few details. I don't think the money

1301
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,079
is necessarily one hundred percent. It hasn't been papered, but

1302
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:41,960
I feel like knowing the guys and who are involved

1303
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,320
with this, that they'll they'll work it out and.

1304
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be money. It's a contender welterweight main event.

1305
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:49,880
And and Roach has been in wild fights in the

1306
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,000
past with with either him scoring knockouts or him getting

1307
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:56,320
It was Santion Right that destroyed him in the shocking upset, So.

1308
01:00:56,719 --> 01:01:00,039
Speaker 2: I c R. Kuriell is still undefeated. He would a

1309
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:03,679
Mexican Olympian. And it's not a matter of like it's

1310
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:05,559
not like mega money, but when you're dealing with this

1311
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,599
type of fight, if it's a difference of one hundred

1312
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:10,440
thousand or whatever it might be, that's still not insignificant.

1313
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,039
So they got to get that all squared away. But

1314
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,280
I feel like Golden Boys got a great trackcord of

1315
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,599
getting their fights done. Frank Espinosa's got a tremendous track

1316
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:20,079
record as a manager of getting fights done for his

1317
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:23,760
guys and uh and Alexis Roch has never run from

1318
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,480
a guy. So I feel like this fight's gonna happen,

1319
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:26,400
all right.

1320
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: And one more thing that we have that we have

1321
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:31,320
for you, and that is I did. I'm gonna pay

1322
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,639
it off. It seems like a month ago that I

1323
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:35,840
mentioned Edgar Berlanga's name on this podcast. Tell me about

1324
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,280
Berlanga and that he may be back. When last we

1325
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,320
saw him he got dispatched by Hams as Charras. So

1326
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,880
Berlanga may be back and against whom and when? What

1327
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:45,559
are we looking at?

1328
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he got drilled in the fight that was

1329
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:49,880
over the summer on the Ring Magazine card that took

1330
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,920
place at the tennis facility in Queens, New York, you know,

1331
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,639
one of the places where they do the US Open,

1332
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:58,159
that was back in July. Hams of Sharraz, you know,

1333
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,000
came to New York, his hometown and and just gave

1334
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:05,880
him a quickly there's a rough knockout, and so Berlanga.

1335
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,559
I've talked to people involved with the event if it

1336
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:11,239
happens and what they're moving forward to doing. And again

1337
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,159
it's not done yet, but probably going to get done.

1338
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,199
Is he will go back with PBC, he will do

1339
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,159
a fight with Armando Rizendez for the WBA's interim Super

1340
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:23,679
Middleway title. Resendez, if you remember, it wasn't that long

1341
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:26,920
ago that he fought Cayleb Plant on a PBC card,

1342
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,039
non pay per view card, as I recall, and he

1343
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,360
scored the humongous upset. Remember that was the fight they

1344
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,119
were trying to position Charlot and Plant if they had

1345
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,239
both were to be the winners, to fight each other

1346
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,280
on pay per view at the end of this year. Well,

1347
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,039
when Plant lost the fight, they still may fight each

1348
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:42,920
other down the road, but it won't be at the

1349
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,119
end of this year. And so Rezenda's got the win,

1350
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:47,280
and so now they're looking to do him on a

1351
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,840
card once they get back to the new year January

1352
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:55,760
February timeframe, probably Resentdas against Edgar Berlanga. So Berlanga's got

1353
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,280
a name. He's obviously very polarizing. You either love him

1354
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,320
or you hate him, but he's got a good power.

1355
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,320
He usually makes a good fight, where Zendez, you know,

1356
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,960
came off a big win, and so as a fight

1357
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:08,360
that might be on a pay per view under Carter,

1358
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,639
perhaps even a main event of a non pay per view.

1359
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:12,679
There's nothing wrong with that.

1360
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: All right. We'll rely on the substack again. You need

1361
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,599
to be locked in on the substack to find out

1362
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:21,199
more reporting from Big Dan, Fight Freaks Tonight and the newsletter.

1363
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,039
We covered a bunch here tonight. We'll see what happens

1364
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:28,000
with this Ortiz Lubin main event on the weekend. And

1365
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,880
we keep saying this, We've got better fights coming here

1366
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,079
in November. It's finally gonna crank up over the next

1367
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,880
three or four weeks, so we get some better fights here,

1368
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,840
including let's see if there are some fireworks in Fort Worth, Texas.

1369
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,679
Other than that, my friend, have a good weekend and

1370
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:44,639
we will chat with you coming off the weekend and

1371
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,679
recap whatever goes on in Fort Worth and the other

1372
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:50,400
fight news as well. Sounds good to me. There's Big Dan,

1373
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,039
rayphel I'm merely TJ Reeves. Follow, Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify.

1374
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,400
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1375
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,400
You have been part of the part of the Big

1376
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,519
Fight Weekend preview podcast. We're back off the weekend to

1377
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:07,639
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1378
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:08,559
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