WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.200 Baby, I'm a gangster too. It takes at a tangle. 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:08.320 You don't mess with me, baby, I'm a. 3 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:15.320 GANGSTERA touch, baby. 4 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:16.960 You're a Gangstato. 5 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.800 For the warning, this podcast is designed to take you 6 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.839 outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality. 7 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:39.679 Listener discretion is a vibe, Fellas. 8 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.320 This ain't my first time. 9 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:44.079 At the rodeos. 10 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:56.719 Alright, everyone, you know what it is. I have your 11 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:02.320 favorite guest for movies again tonight. And I'm actually really 12 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:05.040 excited about this one because not only is it a 13 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:09.680 Christmas movie, but this would be what our third Tim 14 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.920 Burton movie, our second Tim Burton movie that we've. 15 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:15.439 Definitely there seems to be a trend here, say the 16 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.760 Tim Burton or it's Johnny Depp. There's a wee correlation going. 17 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:24.560 On there because we did the ninth Gate that's correct, Yeah, yeah, okay, yes, 18 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:28.519 but it's Drew. Everybody knows him and loves him. Drew. 19 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:29.159 How are you. 20 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:35.200 I'm fantastic, mat doing really really well, great news recently personally. 21 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:37.400 So yeah, I was gonna say, you want to share 22 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:38.799 with the class. 23 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.799 Or no, No, it's certainly out there in the eighth 24 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.519 and now my wife and I are expecting our first baby. 25 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:47.719 So we're over the moon about that. We're very exciting. 26 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:54.040 And my predictions are a ginger Jedi, So we will 27 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:58.079 see if I'm correct or not. It's gonna come out 28 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:01.239 and it's gonna know so much about movies and have 29 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.519 just a bunch of useless trivia about Johnny Depp when 30 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:05.239 it pops out. 31 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.120 Yeah, it's already got that subconsciously planted in. It's Brian 32 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:11.000 both right. 33 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:16.680 Yeah. Well, congratulations, I'm so excited for you. I guess 34 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.280 we'll be taking a break from podcasting for a while 35 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.039 after the baby gets here. 36 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.120 Huh, Yeah, I dare say so. I've had a bit 37 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.719 of a break recently, but starting's caught a few things now, 38 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.840 this being one of them. First time back in a 39 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.960 little while, so I'm glad that it's back with you, Julia, 40 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:31.800 to ease me back in. 41 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:36.680 Yeah, and of course we're gonna bring the fires. Since 42 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:38.599 it's been a while since you've been on a show. 43 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.800 I'm sure you have like a bunch of pent up 44 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:46.159 conspiracy angst that you need to release. But we are 45 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.680 actually going to cover Edward Scissorhands tonight. Definitely one of 46 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:56.080 my favorites. I do think it's a Christmas movie because 47 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:01.400 it takes place around Christmas, and you know, it's got 48 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:05.680 like the whole snowy whatever at the end. But maybe 49 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:09.120 I'm wrong, Maybe it's a Halloween movie. I don't know. 50 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:11.439 I guess it's like my wife. 51 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.039 Yeah, my wife adamantly argued it wasn't a Christmas movie 52 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.759 last night, and she deliberately showed me the timestamp in 53 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.800 which we first see Christmas. But I agree, if it 54 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.080 has at least a bare minimum a scene of Christmas 55 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.680 in it, it's fine. Christmas set in North America. It's 56 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:28.120 a Christmas This is not I get it. 57 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.680 Yeah, like Gremlins and die Hard, those are the ones 58 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.000 that everybody argues about, but they are Christmas movies. 59 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:37.599 So take count. 60 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:40.400 Well, how do you want to get started? You want 61 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:42.439 to talk a little bit about the movie? You want 62 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.280 to jump right into like a synopsis in the names. 63 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:47.680 How you want to do this? 64 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:50.319 I think we should talk about the context of the 65 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:54.120 film itself. Okay, this jumped off the screen for me 66 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.360 just looking at it. Edwards siss Hands takes many cultural 67 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:03.360 and historically significant tale from both relatively modern stories all 68 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.560 the way back into the ancient times and combine them 69 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:10.759 in this very new yet very familiar story we get. 70 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:14.520 What we get is we're presented with like a modern 71 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:17.759 day take on Pinocchio. On its first glance, we've got 72 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:22.279 this eccentric man inventor who fashions himself a son from 73 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:26.439 an nanimate object, ticks a box. It's very similar to Pinocchio. 74 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.600 Yet we also get the darker side of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. 75 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:34.439 We have this creature, this man, this monculi which is 76 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.279 being crafted, who suddenly falls in love with our leading lady, 77 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:42.439 Kim played by Bonona Ryder, and he has this sick 78 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:46.920 obsession with her, and he has this almost romantical battle 79 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.079 with the opposition, which in this film is the character Jim, 80 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:53.079 who mirrors the character of Gaston. So we see Edwards 81 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.920 Sez the Hands as almost the beast and Jim as 82 00:04:55.959 --> 00:05:00.079 Gaston in this Yet all of this ties back to 83 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:06.040 an even greater, older story, which is the story of 84 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:10.800 the goal, which is like Hebrew or Aramaic mysticism, this 85 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:16.600 idea of that you can make this humuncular, not quite human, 86 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.800 inanimate object and create life from it. And we say 87 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:23.759 that in Jewish mysticism. With these clay monsters, and it's 88 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.920 traditionally always clay, but it doesn't necessarily always have to 89 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.480 be clay. So we HiT's the story of an anthropomophic 90 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.879 creature which is brought to life. And I just find 91 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:39.319 it so amazing that we have this really old story 92 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.920 which has been repeated multiple times within recent history, and 93 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.600 stories that we've all grown up with Beauty and the Beast, 94 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.959 maybe elements of the Grinch. We've got the side of Pinocchio, 95 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:54.279 It's been retold again and again. I think it draws 96 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:59.959 back on this really ancient subconscious and when I mean 97 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.920 VI's subconscious, I have to actually go back to one 98 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.120 of the biggest actors in this film that has a 99 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:07.560 very minute part, Vincent Price. And for people who out 100 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:10.240 there a horror ficionados would know Vincent Price as being 101 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:13.600 the gentleman, bad guy or villain from many a horror 102 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.759 film in his day. But Vincent Price is well known 103 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:22.920 for quoted and saying this. His quote is, I sometimes 104 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.279 feel that I'm impersonating the dark unconscious of the whole 105 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.639 human race. I know this sounds sick, but I love it, 106 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.439 and I think this really connects to the whole premise 107 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:35.120 of the film the dark unconscious of a human race. 108 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.600 That's what these stories are about. Every single story, from 109 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:41.560 the modern day hero worship of Marvel and Star Wars 110 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.720 to the classical Disney tales, they all harken back to 111 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.680 this ancestral genetic memory in this truth, this hidden away 112 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:51.759 story that's deep with in our subconscious, that draws us in. 113 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.480 And I think this film really nails it with all 114 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:56.800 those elements. 115 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:11.759 Hey, I'm calling. 116 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:16.680 This is some huge. 117 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:17.319 House, isn't it. 118 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.920 Hello? Why are you hiding back? 119 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:21.279 Bear? 120 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.240 You don't have to hide from me. 121 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:30.199 I'm as harmless as cherry prop. Those are your hands, 122 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.079 Those are your hands. I think you should just come 123 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:40.519 home with me. Joyce, I just saw this strange guy 124 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:41.240 driving with peg. 125 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.920 Did you get a good look at her? Hi scissors? 126 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.240 Oh? You got there? 127 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.879 Ed Can This is Edward who's going to live with us? 128 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.240 Well this must be quite a change for. 129 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:55.920 You, right, ed. 130 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:58.399 Those things are cool? 131 00:07:58.720 --> 00:07:59.199 Can I bring? 132 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:04.399 Don't tell them? He's a highly imaginative character. It seems 133 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.920 clear that his awareness of what we call reality is 134 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.120 radically under development. 135 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.639 Abbit, you take my very breath away. 136 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:13.360 Do you have a girlfriend? 137 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:23.680 A Is there some special lady in your life more 138 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.759 doctors kidd just to scratch the power of satan as 139 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:27.839 an he making feel. 140 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:32.639 It all along. I felt in my good there was 141 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.000 something wrong with him. 142 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.720 From Tim Burton comes the most incredible tale of a 143 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:43.639 most unusual character, Edward Scissor Hands. 144 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:45.320 Me. 145 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:49.799 I can't. 146 00:08:55.720 --> 00:09:00.919 Well, yeah, I agree with you, and I we're gonna 147 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:04.399 go in that direction. So I have a couple backup 148 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:09.000 grand theories for you that you can tell me, you 149 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:15.039 know how stupid they are later. But it's actually some 150 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:19.159 stuff that I found about. Okay. So there's two theories. 151 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:21.919 I'm just gonna give them to you now because I 152 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.080 agree with you. But this is what people are saying, 153 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.240 right do you? You know how they always try to 154 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.399 sneak a little bit of like woke shit in there, 155 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.440 or like make stuff about like a race war and 156 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:36.399 like stuff like that. Okay, So I found this theory 157 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.759 that Edward Scissor Hands. 158 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:48.960 Is about, uh race and how white people versus Okay, 159 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:50.000 So here's the theory. 160 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:56.440 Okay. Edward SCISSORHNDS does do a great job of showing 161 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.840 a cookie cutter, which is referenced in the film Cookie 162 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:07.080 Cutter Like Pastel Suburbia, where the men work like nine 163 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.679 to five jobs and the women are all gossiping and 164 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.480 shit like that, but they're actually like really cruel and 165 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:17.200 selfish and like crazy, and they do this virtue signaling 166 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.279 and they probably all have their COVID boosters, and fucking 167 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:23.039 the good guy at the end of the movie is 168 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:27.000 the black guy, right, the black cop. And so it's 169 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:31.080 saying like that I read this whole It was like 170 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.279 a website dedicated to the theory that the white it's 171 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:37.559 like the white devil versus the good guy at the 172 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.320 nbing the one black guy that's in the entire movie, 173 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:45.600 and that the title sequence of Edward Scissorhands is in 174 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:51.440 black and white and it's supposed to be. I don't know, 175 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:53.600 but what do you think about that? Like there's a 176 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:57.639 whole page dedicated to like this race war thing with 177 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.000 Edward Scissorhands. I mean, I, yes, I can see it, 178 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.200 but not really you know again, I think. 179 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.200 I think this is almost like the verbs how we 180 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.440 say that these types of stories get thrown into these 181 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.039 modern day university lecturers courses about cultural studies and racial 182 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.240 and equity and these sorts of things. I saw pretty 183 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.120 much your exact same theory you just told me, but 184 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.639 instead of about being race, it was about being neurodivergent, and 185 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.879 that edwards'zans fits the role of someone with Asperger syndrome. 186 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:29.440 That's why it doesn't. 187 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.759 Feel God, doesn't that remind you of the groups? So 188 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.919 that article you found about like, it's the same thing 189 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.320 they try to put like they they try to cover 190 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.320 it with like some woke shit like, oh no, you 191 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.320 guys got it wrong. Edward Scissorhands is about black people 192 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:47.840 versus white people, and that's why the title sequences in 193 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:51.000 Black and White, and the black guy at the end 194 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.840 of the movie is the only normal, sane, good person 195 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.960 and all the white people are crazy evil and like 196 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.000 manipulating him and like da da da. I don't know, 197 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:06.919 it was kind of crazy. But I also read another 198 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.639 theory that Edward Scissor Hans, You're not gonna fucking believe this. 199 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:17.919 Edward Scissor Hans is like telling the Christ story, like 200 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:22.320 he was born, he was created by this man, and 201 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.080 then he was raised by parents who weren't really his parents, 202 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.600 and uh, he's cast it out by his own people, 203 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.440 and you know, it was just I mean, I guess 204 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.960 I can see it in an aspect of it, and 205 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.879 like he's actually innocent and they're all fucking convoluted and 206 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.600 crazy and he's like the one that gets said that 207 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.399 he's evil and he's cast it out and da da dah. 208 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.679 But I don't know, what, what do you think about 209 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:53.080 that one? 210 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.759 I think it has some premise and if you look 211 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.519 at it just on its like it's an initial level 212 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:02.399 on the first scale and he can go down multiple lays. 213 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.080 I think it fits. There's aspects of this which I 214 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.519 think tie into gnosticism in the early Church, which I'll 215 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.360 get into later. But it has, let's say, elements of 216 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:17.759 the Christ and the whole idea of maybe the Trinity, 217 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.960 but it's not quite the waits present. And I think 218 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.320 I saw the exact same paper or article that you 219 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:28.399 read that makes it very almost modern day Christians attempt 220 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:30.679 at trying to justify watching such a dark film. 221 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.120 Recky. Yeah, that's kind of how I thought too. I 222 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:37.360 was like, Okay, they're trying to like make Tim Burton 223 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:40.559 be this like kind of like you were saying, gnostic 224 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:43.799 kind of telling this story. But I don't know. There 225 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:47.960 are many layers to the movie. In the story itself 226 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.039 and before we dive right into it. You know, I 227 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:58.279 always have some fun facts about the movie. So Tom Cruise, 228 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:03.279 Michael Jackson, Jim Carrey, Tom Hanks, and Robert Downey Junior 229 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.320 were up for the part of Edward Scissor Hands. I 230 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.480 can only see a couple of those working out. I 231 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:14.960 can see Jim Carrey for sure, maybe Robert Downey Junior, 232 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:20.799 but not fucking Tom Cruise. Cruise, Yeah, short, little fucking. 233 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:23.159 Trol running around the mountain. 234 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.039 Yeah, oh my god. Can you imagine him and the 235 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:27.960 Edward Scissor Hands get up like. 236 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:32.320 Little kid hands because that'd be too small. 237 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.279 Scars because he looks like a toddler. 238 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.039 But this is the first film that Johnny Depp and 239 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.080 Burton worked on together, Terry, where they initially struck up 240 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:46.679 their friendship. 241 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.720 Colby says Tom Cruise decided he didn't want the role 242 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.399 because it wasn't a pretty role. Quote. 243 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:55.679 Yeah, he's a pretty face boy, isn't he. 244 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:56.080 Yeah? 245 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:58.799 Yeah, and he would he would have never had all 246 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.000 those fucking scars on it his face and ship, I. 247 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:04.200 Don't know, don't even have a symmetrical face. How can 248 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:09.960 he talk his tooths like off to the side, I know, right, But. 249 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:15.360 So Edward Scissor Hands was also supposed to be a musical, 250 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.440 kind of like uh Sweeney Todd, which is also Johnny Depp. 251 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.639 But I can't see it being a musical. I think 252 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.799 that would have ruined it. I don't really good for 253 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:27.399 that reason. 254 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:30.519 I can say, maybe you can see the elements or 255 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:35.159 the prey curses to night Mare before Christmas. It's very burnesque, 256 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.080 you could say it. With a few of them swakes 257 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.600 and changes, it very well could have been a musical. 258 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.399 But I'm glad to but yeah, yeah, you're right actually there, 259 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:45.840 and you know, I'm sure they would have come up 260 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:50.039 with some great fucking songs, but I'm glad that it 261 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.679 didn't happen. If I'm just being honest, I actually think 262 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:59.000 the I think it's the song they use at the 263 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:03.919 very end and the very beginning of the movie. It's 264 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:07.080 kind of like anytime I hear it, I know exactly 265 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.639 where it's from. Actually, I think it came on like 266 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.360 a podcast or something that we were listening to the 267 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:15.919 other day and I was like, oh, it's a song 268 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.080 from Edward Scissor Cans. But that's because it's elfman and 269 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:23.919 like everything he does is really epic. Like that, like Beetlejuice, 270 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:28.120 and you know all of Tim Burton's movies have that 271 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:33.919 epic sound. But another fun fact is that, and I 272 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.279 was actually talking to Colby about this and I found 273 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:42.200 the story on it. The character Edward scissorhands like his 274 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:49.639 personality was based on a dog. And I guess Johnny 275 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:55.879 Depp was like struggling to find like the tone for 276 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:59.519 Edward Scissor cans, like how he was supposed to be acting, 277 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.840 and he thought of this dog and he nailed it 278 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.200 after that. And when you watch it, and if you 279 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.920 keep that in mind, you can see there are elements 280 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:13.759 to his reactions that are like a dog, like with 281 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.160 the big eyes and kind of scared and like timid. 282 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:18.759 And I thought that was adorable. 283 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:21.160 He didn't attack a vacuum clean I said, maybe that 284 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:25.799 was a deleted scene. Well, I've got a dig you 285 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:27.839 know fact for you, and this is a Tim Burton one, 286 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:29.640 So I hope I'm not stepping on your dicky, Julia, 287 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.720 but step by the idea for the movie was inspired 288 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:36.400 by drawings that Tim Burton made when he was a teenager. 289 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:41.400 So the drawing depicted was a thin Solomon man with long, 290 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:44.680 sharp blades of fingers, and he's quoted as saying, since 291 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.400 I like to draw, since I was younger, oftentimes images 292 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:49.920 would just pop up into my head and they'd stay there, 293 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:52.880 and I keep drawing them and drawing them. This was 294 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.799 a character I sketched back then when I was a child. 295 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.160 He explains the character was represented to him why as 296 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.240 a teenager that would pop into his head from time 297 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.640 to time with not knowing any reason why. He likened 298 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:08.599 growing up in suburbia to being a Frankenstein movie with 299 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.559 suburbanites acting as angeren villagers to his different outlook on 300 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:16.039 the world. So this sounds like direct download stuff. And 301 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:19.920 you've kind of mentioned these kind of weird, creepy unknowns 302 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.599 around Tim Burton. But if he's a young kid getting 303 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.480 this topic imagery popped into his head, either his parents 304 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.839 were very strange people or there's something going on there. 305 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.400 Yeah, and you know what, Okay, so that'll bring me 306 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:35.000 kind of into my next fun fact. Would you might 307 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:37.640 have come across this too, But I thought it was 308 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:44.839 really interesting because the inventor's castle is in the movie 309 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.720 is based on the California Institute of the Arts, like 310 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:54.039 that was Tim Burton's choice right, and the school sits 311 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:59.559 on a hill overlooking suburban neighborhoods of Santa Clarita, California. 312 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.359 But guess who one of the fucking founders of uh, 313 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.319 the California Arts Institute is. 314 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.960 H guess I'm gonna throw a wild guess at there, 315 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.960 based on some of my theories on this one. Is 316 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:19.440 it a prominent Mormon. 317 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:28.000 It's actually Walt fucking Disney. And Okay, so there were 318 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:31.079 a bunch of catastrophes that happened while they were trying 319 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:34.720 to build the institute, and Walt Disney actually got his 320 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.680 brothers involved in it and eventually went on to fire 321 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:42.400 people off the board of trustees and replaced them with 322 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:47.279 his family members, and the assistant program director for the 323 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:52.799 Arts and Humanities of the Rockefeller Foundation was appointed the 324 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:55.920 president of the institute. And of course Tim Burton went 325 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.359 there and worked for a short time for Walt Disney 326 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:02.759 and and like most of the animators for Cartoon Network 327 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.680 and of course the Disney Channel came from this institute. 328 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.880 But the castle in Edward Scissorhands is based on that institute. 329 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.119 So I mean, I thought that was hella interesting in 330 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.680 and of itself, because I'm pretty sure he got fired 331 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:17.960 from Disney. 332 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:21.400 To the Garden often. 333 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.240 But yeah, and so it's like if we're going with 334 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.599 like the Christ story and he and he created this 335 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:33.880 guy in the fucking Walt Disney Castle, and I don't know, 336 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:39.000 it's just, you know, its weird and occulty. 337 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:43.279 There's just too much of it to exist for your 338 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:49.000 average film or arts university student. It doesn't make sense 339 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:51.480 that they've got all this esoteric knowledge unless they've been 340 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:52.079 read into it. 341 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.559 And did you see the castle? It was like demonic 342 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:00.400 gargoyles and demons statues, and like it's base He's start 343 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.000 in the California Arts Institute. Like that says a lot 344 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.559 in and of itself, if that's the inspiration he got 345 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:08.400 from it, you know. 346 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:11.079 Which is very ironical with one of the statues that 347 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:13.119 I'm going to tie into my theory later on, very 348 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:16.559 prominent statue. Would you like me to go through the 349 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.440 synopsis and then get into some of that name. 350 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.920 Magic, Yes, absolutely, okay. 351 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.279 Edward Scissorhands is the nineteen ninety fancy melodrama written and 352 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.240 directed by Tim Burton. Is a modern day fairy tale 353 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:31.680 which tells the story of Edward, a man created by 354 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:35.319 an eccentric inventor who died before finishing him. Edward has 355 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.480 left incomplete with sisters where his hands should be. One day, 356 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.759 when a local Avon lady, a representative named Peg calls 357 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.920 it the historic mansion where he's been living alone, she 358 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.279 takes him home to stay with her family. He has 359 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:50.559 to adapt to a new life and environment that he 360 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.279 isn't used to. Soon, he shows his talent and cutting 361 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:56.720 hair and hedges and wins everybody's hearts. But life isn't 362 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.000 always so sweet. At first, everyone welcomes him too the commune, 363 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.480 but soon things begin to take change for the worse. 364 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.480 Dun Dun, Dunn, Dunn. 365 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.599 And the uh. 366 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:17.519 Opening title sequence is black and white. I think there's 367 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:22.759 some clues in the title sequence that we can get 368 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.759 into later, but first I want to hear about the names. 369 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:29.759 Okay, Edward isn't given a surname in this It's just 370 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:31.799 scissor hands, so just take that for what you will. 371 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.680 Edward is derived from the Old English words ade, meaning fortune, 372 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:39.960 and ward meaning guard. Edward directly translates to a wealthy guard. 373 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.920 Edward is the moncular creation of a wealthy inventor. He 374 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.400 has guarded the mansion for an unknown amount of time. 375 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.279 As he moves into the town, he distances hisself from 376 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:52.279 protecting the physical mansion to his new love interest of 377 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:57.440 which he's infatuated with, that being Kim Kim Boggs. Kim 378 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:01.240 derives from Kimberly, which comes from the kind meaning royal 379 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:05.480 or chief, and berg meaning field or fortress, whereas Boggs 380 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.640 is Middle English for boastful or haughty, which means proud, vain, 381 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:11.880 or arrogant. Kim betrays the role of the beautiful love interest. 382 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.359 She embodies the archetype of the princess of the town, 383 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:19.200 popular among popular, among all the people, beautiful and gains 384 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:22.079 their attention. She plays into her vanity at the beginning 385 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:27.720 of the story her pride and slowly overtime transitions. Peg, 386 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:30.640 who's the mother of Kim. Peg is a feminine name 387 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.839 of Greek origin, meaning pearl. She is unique in her town. 388 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.319 She generally cares about Edward taking this very strange man 389 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.400 into a home as part of her family, whereas the 390 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:42.799 other women gossip and scandalize his arrival. She's a true 391 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:46.799 pearl amongst the suburban wives. And the last interesting name 392 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.839 came across was Jim, who's our Gaston type figure in 393 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.960 this film Hebrew in origin meaning he may will shall 394 00:23:55.119 --> 00:24:00.359 follow he sees by the heel WatchGuard protect essentially means 395 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.559 the supplant or the assailant. May God protect, may he protect. 396 00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:07.480 Jim fits the archetype role of the man in conflict 397 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:11.240 with Edward as Kim's attentions that wanders to him when 398 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:13.799 his emotional relationship breaks down with Kim, he takes on 399 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:17.079 the physical by attempting to seize and protect Kim from Edward, 400 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:21.880 attempting to supplant Edward acting as his assailant. So we've 401 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.319