WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:04.400 Golf Smarter number three hundred and forty nine, published on 2 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:07.000 September nineteen, twenty twelve. 3 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:12.279 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.919 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:21.920 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 6 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:26.839 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:30.519 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.640 The faster the green, the less slope you can have 9 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.719 before that point is reached. The slower the green, or 10 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:38.920 you got a tilted then you reach the point with 11 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:39.759 a greater tilt. 12 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:40.600 But it's always the. 13 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.719 Combination of the grit speed and the slope steepness. And 14 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:47.000 so if you say everybody mows their grants today to about. 15 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:49.520 Stemp nine, that limit is reached. 16 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:55.240 Around a six percent slope. And the all golf course architects. 17 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:55.439 Know this one too. 18 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.679 If they make seven percent slow, the golf course is 19 00:00:58.719 --> 00:00:59.880 going to stamp. 20 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:01.479 Tea and you're not going to have holes there. 21 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:05.519 He's just luxuriating and spending somebody else's money by design 22 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.359 that sort of green. Because the person that owns the 23 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.280 golf course is not really going to be able to 24 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:13.920 use seven percent slope unless they get really slow grass, 25 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:15.480 and that members don't like. 26 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.000 Slow grass, so they're always step nize or whatever. 27 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:21.879 If you inform yourself about golf course architecture, you will 28 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:26.000 know that the range of steepness of slope kind of 29 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.000 maxes out around six percent. 30 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:35.159 Learning to read the practice greens gives you a huge 31 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.120 advantage With Jeff Mangam. 32 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:42.079 This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers 33 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.599 and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked 34 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:47.359 for your host, Fred Green. 35 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:52.439 Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Jeff, Hey Fred, 36 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:54.400 how are you, Budy? 37 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:56.560 I'm doing good. 38 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.439 I'm in western North Carolina outside of Klowe. 39 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:04.480 The where in Western Carolina? And what's an. 40 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:11.479 Ncwe It's it's near the Cherokee Indian Reservation on the 41 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.280 west side of Asheville. 42 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:14.879 Noway to Tennessee. 43 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.080 And did you stop and teach there today or where 44 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:18.599 did you teach? 45 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:18.960 Well? 46 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:22.439 I taught in Winston's that set the country Club, and 47 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:25.319 now I'm headed to Atlanta to teach some friends. Down 48 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:28.960 in outside Atlanta in a place called Canton, there's a 49 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:31.439 golf course down there called Bridge Mill that's run by 50 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.319 Tom Lessinger and George Killenhaufer. 51 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:35.879 My good buddy's down there. 52 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:40.479 George Killenhoffer is a long term legend in golf teaching. 53 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:41.919 He taught a lot of the people. 54 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:43.439 Oh, can we get him on the show? 55 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:45.960 Yeah, he left you. 56 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.560 He's the inventor. He invents suff about two or three 57 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:50.199 times a week. 58 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:54.199 Wow. All right, So you are obviously not in a 59 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:56.840 hotel with a direct connection here, because it's kind of 60 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:59.879 breaking up. Where are you sitting right now? 61 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:07.319 Oh, I'm right outside of McDonald's. That caesar salad. 62 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.360 In the coffee, and it's beautiful weather. 63 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:15.879 It's a Bomby sun SETI nice clouds. But I didn't 64 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.120 I couldn't get my Motel six to set up for 65 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:21.080 you today because I'm still traveling after after we do this, 66 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:21.520 we'll talk. 67 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:22.400 I gotta keep rolling. 68 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.159 Okay, So your signal just got a little better, and 69 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.439 we'll keep our fingers crossed, and if this signal gets bad, 70 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:29.479 we'll we'll stop recording and pick it right up and 71 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.280 no one will ever know the difference. But let's I 72 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.919 reached out to you a because you are so much 73 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:42.680 fun to have on this show. Because in your eye 74 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:44.400 because you poke sticks in my eye. 75 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:44.599 Man. 76 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.120 The level of detail that you go into is just 77 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:53.039 a golf junkies dream, all right, you. I mean, I've 78 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:54.879 never heard a short answer, and that's why I want 79 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:59.000 to have you back, because the level of detail is 80 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:04.240 un unrivaled, unrivaled on what you do. 81 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.039 We'll call it baroque. Why lots of ornamentation? 82 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:14.240 Okay, all right, we'll call it baroque. That's not the 83 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.199 name of the show. We're not going we're going for 84 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:17.759 baroque today. 85 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:18.360 We're going. 86 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.720 I'm sorry, that was really bad. But and if nobody 87 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:29.000 has ever heard you on Golf Smarter before, why, I mean, 88 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.920 Jeff's been on a lot. He was also a regular 89 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.240 contributor to Golf Smarter Tips. And there's still all there, 90 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:38.879 a year's worth of amazing content. And it's putting, putting, 91 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.879 and more putting. I don't know if there's anybody in 92 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:46.759 the world, Jeff, who has the encyclopedic baroque knowledge of 93 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:52.279 putting that you have on putting or on Native Americans. 94 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.759 That's because I'm mainly disturbed. 95 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:57.680 And that's why we get along so well. 96 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.839 Obsessive, compulsive to the square. 97 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:09.120 And exponentially multiplied against itself several more times. 98 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:13.839 Yep, that's why we're such good friends. So the latest 99 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:17.759 piece that I got from you fascinating and I think 100 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.720 it just hits right into the heart of it on 101 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:27.879 reading the pot on the practice green, right right, So 102 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.040 do I need to have you order another cup of 103 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.519 coffee or and and just let you go, or do 104 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.800 you want me to ask you a specific question about 105 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.120 where we should get started when we're on the practice 106 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:43.600 putting green and how to read and well, okay, my 107 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.639 first question is when we're on the practice putting green, 108 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:53.319 before we start around, how much should we say to ourselves? Okay, 109 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.879 this is how these greens on this golf course work. 110 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:02.439 Pretty much today's green's agronomy and managed practices. There's not 111 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:04.399 that big of a difference between the practice green and 112 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:08.439 the golf course. They're mode the same, they're built the same, 113 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.199 there's subject to the same chemical treatments, the same irrigations. 114 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.839 They're in the same weather climate, sunshine and everything. It's 115 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:20.319 all the same Satame grass, highly engineered grass. 116 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.560 So hopefully that's gonna give you a good sense of 117 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:28.959 touch and pace when you're practicing, too that you can 118 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.160 confidently take it out onto your round with you. 119 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:33.600 Well, you're just yeah, pretty much. 120 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:34.519 Don't worry about it. 121 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.519 People are overly concerned about the difference between the practice 122 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.120 green to hear little stuff in golf culture, and it. 123 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.319 Worries them for thirty forty years. 124 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.560 They need to use their own eyeballs and look at things. 125 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.160 There's no big difference between practice greens and the greens on. 126 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:48.759 The golf course. 127 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:51.439 Hadn't been for twenty years. 128 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:55.639 And so it's gonna break, it's gonna roll, it's gonna speeds. 129 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.000 We're just fine. And so that means that once we 130 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:02.759 leave the the practice green and get ready for our round, 131 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.680 we should have confidence on on our touch and our 132 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.399 pace when we go out and play, as you know, 133 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:12.079 from what we just experienced on the practice green. 134 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:12.839 Yeah, that's what you're doing. 135 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:14.759 You're brushing up on your touch, you're brushing up on 136 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:16.839 your mechanics a little bit for a straight stroke, and 137 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.959 then maybe you mess around with getting a little confidence 138 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:20.480 or something. 139 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:20.879 You know. 140 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:27.759 Obviously you've moved out of the front porch of McDonald's, yeah, 141 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:30.759 and you're something's moving in there, something's playing with your 142 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.600 wires or your headphone. But something's scraping around. 143 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.399 So I'll try not to touch it. 144 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:39.240 Okay, don't touch it. Okay, just put your get your 145 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:40.000 hands off of that. 146 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:45.600 Okay, I actually have my car on powered up. Do 147 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:46.720 you want me to turn my car off? 148 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:47.079 No? 149 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.040 Why is your car making No? You got to probably 150 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:50.560 have the air conditioning on if you're sitting in North 151 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.480 Carolina and your car with the windows up. 152 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.720 Well, I've got some piece and quiet in my little 153 00:07:57.279 --> 00:07:59.519 Rudyard Kipling house on my back. 154 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:10.319 Sort of a deal here, all right. 155 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:15.720 So let's talk about being on that practice green and 156 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:17.040 what we can learn from it. 157 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.800 Sure, let's talk about reading putts. 158 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:25.199 Yes, I created a thing recently about how you do 159 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:29.319 two putts on a practice green that will allow you 160 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:35.279 to get a real good sense of what breaks you. 161 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.159 Will be facing for the rest of the day. Okay, 162 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:41.080 let me say that one more time. Two little putts. 163 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.200 You know, five feet ten feet? Or does it ten? 164 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:46.919 I like ten feet. 165 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:49.840 The math works out better from ten feet, which I'll 166 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:50.879 explain to you in a second. 167 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:55.039 But ten divide my ten is easy. Just move the decimal. Okay, 168 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:57.080 to the left. 169 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.519 Now there's something beeping that's try I'm so distracted by 170 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.639 these little extra noises. I apologize. I'm just a reporting guy. 171 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:05.960 I stopped it. 172 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:07.080 What were you doing? 173 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.039 That was the That was my little in car power 174 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.480 unit where I take the plug into the battery the 175 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.399 cigarette lighter and then convert. 176 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:20.279 It into a beeping noise. All right, So I. 177 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.200 Don't know why, baby, it's part of the river lit's 178 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:24.080 find it made it. 179 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:26.279 Be ten foot putts move the decimal point. 180 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.080 Go okay, here you teach me. All right, here's the deal. 181 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.720 Most of the putts that you can actually sink are 182 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.080 within fifteen feet, and for most people they're within ten. 183 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.240 Everything else is basically a lag putt's going to be 184 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:41.879 a two putt. 185 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.159 Do you have the skill for lag? Yes? Okay, now 186 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:45.120 we're moved beyond that. 187 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.600 We want to make a lot of one putts out 188 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:54.240 of fifteen footers. Yes, and now really for amateur golfers, 189 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.440 you're really talking about ten feeting in then I didn't 190 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.919 good from fifteen feet right now. 191 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.480 The second one thing you want to know is that. 192 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.399 Greens have. 193 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:16.639 A certain topography where for reasonable areas of size and 194 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:22.320 diameter around the hole, the same flatness or plane or 195 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:27.440 shape of the surface persists. Oh usually for at least 196 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.039 three good steps away from the hall in any direction, 197 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:36.639 maybe as many as five or ten paces. And the 198 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:40.320 pace that we're talking about is a standard military parade 199 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.039 pace of thirty inches, which is two and a half feet, 200 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.840 and every four of those parade steps is ten feet. 201 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.039 So if you walk four feet away from the hall 202 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.120 in any direction, you got you're talking about a ten 203 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:52.759 foot putt. 204 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:56.879 For most putts, I mean eighty five. 205 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.639 Percent of them, if you're within ten feet, there's no 206 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:04.440 aney contour other than a flat surface from ball the 207 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:09.480 hole lots lots of times, and that's very beneficial because 208 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:14.200 that means that the break is quote simple unquote You 209 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:16.039 don't know how much it is, and that's what we're 210 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:16.919 focusing on now. 211 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:18.720 But a. 212 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.639 Flat surface of a tilted slope of the green from 213 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:28.360 ball all the way to the hole, without enter any 214 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.759 funny wrinkling of the surface by hills and valleys and 215 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:35.000 all that. 216 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.200 That presents a simple break. 217 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:41.519 And for most makeable puts in the seventy five to 218 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:44.279 eighty percent of what you actually fast when you go 219 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.639 to the golf, that happens to be the case. 220 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:50.320 And that's because the nature of. 221 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:56.759 Designing and maintaining and mowing greens. They can't chain shape 222 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:00.279 all that radically, or else you have problems. 223 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.320 Maintain them and mowing them. 224 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:07.279 You know that old Urilco commercial that wintertime where Burl 225 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.519 lives is riding a razor across the snowdrifts and rain. 226 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:14.120 Buzz or yeah, he was dressed as Santa Claus ears. 227 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.200 Of singing arel coo as there's all that. Well, that's 228 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.559 the nature of a mowing deck of a Touro triplex more. 229 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.879 And you can't change the the radiacing of the green 230 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.399 surface too radically, or else you'll scout the green every 231 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.840 time you moull it. And that can't happen because you've 232 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:37.519 got a mold once a day. So the rate of 233 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:42.200 change of the surface of the green is conditioned and 234 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:47.879 limited by the technology, and so you happily. You face 235 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:52.519 a lot of situations in machable putts where there's no 236 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.879 funny contour between the ball and the hall. There may 237 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.919 be subtleties like a footprint and the ball pitch mark, 238 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.639 and maybe a little something a little stand of poe 239 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.559 ai in a way and that sort of thing. But 240 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.320 generally speaking, if you have a good, well maintained golf 241 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:14.279 course with plane jain uniform homogeneous grass coverage on the 242 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:19.440 green mode nicely. You got a lot of chances where 243 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:21.960 you can one put a simple putt right now. What 244 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:26.559 I teach and what I've created its two puts on 245 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:28.960 a plane, flat surface with a tilt. 246 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:31.159 To get you so. 247 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:34.919 You understand all the breaks on the tilts that you'll 248 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:39.840 be facing from all the distance inside about fifteen feet. 249 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:44.000 The only assumption is that the green is actually unwrinkled 250 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:45.519 between the ball and the hole. 251 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:47.799 To find unwrinkled, well. 252 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.159 If you take a piece of paper and you let 253 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:51.039 it down on a kitchen counter and flatten it out 254 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:54.759 real good, that's unwrinkled. If you lift it up in 255 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.519 the air and stretch it tight, that's unwrinkled. If you 256 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:00.679 lay it down over top of your and bend a 257 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:02.759 little bit, that's wrinkled. 258 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.240 That's concord contoured, Okay, contract. 259 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:11.320 The word contourd means not flat and plain the way 260 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:12.000 I'm using it. 261 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:14.879 Yeah, I mean I'm thinking of I'm thinking of like 262 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:20.120 those mornings that the groundskeepers didn't drink enough coffee or 263 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.320 they had a bad morning with their wife or something, 264 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.559 and they they put the flag right at the crest 265 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:28.759 of a hill. No matter what angle you're coming from, 266 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:30.039 you're going up and over. 267 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:35.399 Well there there there are guidelines published by the US 268 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:38.799 Golf Association about pen placements. 269 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:39.480 Is there really? 270 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.559 Oh yeah, and I've been I'm a greenskeeper. I've done 271 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.440 this for you know, more than one year US that pens. 272 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:49.559 So I'm not just a lawyer and a golf coach 273 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.120 and a physicist and neuroscientists. 274 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:53.440 I'm also a greenskeeper. 275 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:57.080 Well, don't forget you're an Indian expert, and no, I'm 276 00:14:57.440 --> 00:14:58.960 the top Indian expert. 277 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.480 Sorry, look at my little puddingtone dot com, forward slash 278 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.559 indians dot A stm L and then just drool it 279 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:07.159 what I've got? 280 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.519 All right, it's there, it'll see it, all right. 281 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:21.440 So anyway, the the. 282 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:18.960 The guidelines of the U s g A. 283 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:25.320 Basically don't want greenskeepers to do what you just described. 284 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:32.320 They don't want sudden changes of contour. They want golfers 285 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:35.559 to have the opportunity, from anywhere on the green in 286 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:36.360 relations to. 287 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.879 The whole, to send the ball to the hole. 288 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.000 And be able to stop it there within about two feet. 289 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.240 Really, that's one of the guidelines. 290 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.960 Oh, I wonder if these guys read that because they don't. 291 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:55.240 They don't because they're just educated, clod headed, rude individuals 292 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.399 also called cretns. 293 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.840 I am c r e t I in this Okay, 294 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:02.759 whatever that word is. 295 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:06.559 Yeah, And I want every golf smarter listener ever to 296 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.200 just whenever they see the ball roll, you know, they 297 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:10.480 get it to the hall and then it just keeps 298 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.840 rolling by another five or six feet it that's against 299 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:13.320 the rules. 300 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:14.519 That's right now. 301 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:22.600 There there's a physical issue the combination of green slope. 302 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.759 That means steepness. How steep is the tilt of the surface. 303 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.320 The surface is flat, let's say that, but you tilted. 304 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:32.159 That means it's not level. 305 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.360 Now, golf people on TV, they are frequently also prettons 306 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.840 or cretence how you said, They don't know the difference 307 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.200 between flat and level those words in the English language 308 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:46.919 that we all are supposed to speak by about age 309 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:52.440 three four, Flat does not mean level in gravity, it 310 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.960 means uncontoured and plain R. Hate the word planar because 311 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.480 of the way you stretch out the same syllable. 312 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:02.320 R are plain r. 313 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:09.079 Okay, So, but flat does not mean level. 314 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:13.839 Oh okay, now you take a CD rom it's flat, right, 315 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.920 if you bend it, it's not flat. 316 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:16.759 Right, it's contoured. 317 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.319 Yeah, but if you slap it down on the kitchen counter, 318 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:22.359 it's both flat and level. 319 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:26.279 So flat could be on an angle. 320 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:28.839 Right, it's tilted, but it's tilted. 321 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.039 All greens are. You don't make greens level. The water 322 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:38.079 comes down, the water won't go anywhere. That'll drown the grass. 323 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:40.920 It's called root rot. It's most common cause of problems 324 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.079 on greens. All architects in the world not to create 325 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.160 root rot, so they don't. They don't build flat green. 326 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:50.480 It's level, Mom'm sorry, excuse me, level greens. They don't 327 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.640 build level greens. That kills the grass. 328 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.440 To wait a minute, all this stuff people going, yeah, 329 00:17:57.799 --> 00:17:59.880 it always breaks to the mountain, it always breaks to 330 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:00.400 the water. 331 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:01.160 It is. 332 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:10.480 That's not necessarily true, right, because it's about. 333 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:08.920 The golf course. 334 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:15.160 Architect must design the subsurface of the green so that 335 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:20.400 it's tilted. And if it's not tilted a certain steepness, 336 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:23.240 the water will just pool under the under the surface 337 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:28.839 and sit there and fester, and it messes up the ecology. 338 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:30.319 Of the green system. 339 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.720 The ancient Athens, where I have been in ancient Athens, 340 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:40.200 I'm I'm I'm working on my twenty first incarnation right now. 341 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.279 There is a there's a there's a subway in Syntagma 342 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.200 Square in downtown Athens, and you go down into the 343 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.240 subway and they have a little display case, a museum 344 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:57.920 case where in five hundred BC the engineers of Athens 345 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.200 built terra cotta sewage pipe. 346 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:04.440 And the sewage pipes. There's a little placard at little 347 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:06.519 fold over cardboard. 348 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.720 Placard in there in the case, you know, like you 349 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.359 did the dinner party that sit here, kind of a 350 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:16.039 fall over thing, and it explains that unless you tilt 351 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:20.240 the terra cotta piping at least two degrees of grade 352 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.119 or two percent of grade I'm sorry, not degrees percent 353 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.480 of grade, the water will not build up enough velocity 354 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.880 and momentum to clear the sludge out of the pipes, 355 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.759 and the pipes will fill up and stop up. 356 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:35.599 All right. 357 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:38.880 So the modern golf course architects, if they don't know 358 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:42.039 that going in when they start building these five million 359 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:42.759 dollar golf. 360 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:48.079 Courses, they will never work again. Wow. 361 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.359 Okay, So they learn by hard experience that they better 362 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.240 tilt thems under surface of the green. 363 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:54.920 They fill. 364 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:01.200 French drains in the herringbud pattern, and they collect the water. 365 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:03.400 Fourteen or fifteen inches beneath the. 366 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.799 Surface of the grass into a pattern and then redirect 367 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.720 it back into the general terrain pattern of the erosion 368 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.359 of the local train, which is typically away from the mountains. 369 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:15.839 Store it's the ponds, that's true. 370 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:20.480 Golf Course architects will play with that because they're crafty 371 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:25.839 little devils, and sometimes they will tilt it contrariwise to 372 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.839 the natural flow of the landscape in order to mess. 373 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.440 With the golfers and challenge them to pick up on 374 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:33.079 what they've done. 375 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.720 They're primary function mess with. 376 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:37.880 Us, that's right, And there's a limit on how much 377 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:41.200 they can do before the tree reveals itself and the 378 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.200 gig is up. So they're subtle when they do it, 379 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:51.400 but they do it on purpose. All greens complexes, they 380 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:56.160 are basically structured by hand by the golf course architectures 381 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:59.519 and architects, and so they pretty much decide what they 382 00:20:59.519 --> 00:20:59.960 want to do. 383 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:01.200 This is a question of whether. 384 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:08.599 They're skillful and and concealing their art. If you, I 385 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:10.240 don't know, if you won't go into all that stuff. 386 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.480 But you remember a couple of years ago they played well. 387 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:12.880 Wait, a minute. 388 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:15.559 You know what, I'm sorry, I don't hold that thought. 389 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.400 Please remember, because I know I will forget, But I've 390 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:21.720 also forgotten that I'm supposed to say that. This episode 391 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:24.759 of the Golf Smarter Podcast is brought to you by 392 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.240 all Right, Jeff, let's get back to your stuff, because sure, 393 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:36.319 not like we're running out of time. But we don't 394 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:37.240 have a lot of time left. 395 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.200 But we are going to do a part We're gonna 396 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:40.680 do a part two. 397 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:42.680 We're going to do a members only episode. So let's 398 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.759 take this to our limit here and then we'll come 399 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:46.079 back and do a member's only episode. 400 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.240 Well, let me give you the diamond bullet and the 401 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:49.640