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Speaker 1: For members only. Golf Smarter number three hundred and seventy

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published on February twelve, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our

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Speaker 3: Knowledge is confidence. And if you stand over a shot

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and don't have the knowledge of how to hit that shot, well,

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how much confidence are you going to have? And without confidence,

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good luck to you. So golf is all about confidence

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and rouston confidence.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can't tell you how much better I do

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when I walk up to a bunker blod Oh I

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love the shot. Yeah, when I walk in going yeah,

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I own this one. The outcome always seems.

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Speaker 3: To look at the levels of fear on the range

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or at the bunker. At the range, probably not that bad,

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hitting balls down there, not that bad. Go play golf,

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different story, now, tournament yet another level. I think the

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tension rises and fear rises with every one of them,

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and those that can conquer that trust or knowledge or

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fear in those areas will do better. If you're scared

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to death when you go to the golf course, it

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makes it very difficult. Look at the tour, they're all

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really really good players. What separates somebody from number ninety

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to number ten? I think it's the mental part. They've

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all got the shots. They're all really good potters who

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can stand up there with their guts spilling out and

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still make that potter that shot that separates the top

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from the bottom. I think.

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Speaker 1: More difficult shots we never practice. Part two with Ken Doherty.

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Speaker 3: This is Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Golf Smarter for members only.

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Speaker 3: Ken, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let's continue our conversation about the shots that we don't practice. Okay,

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you can be Santa Claus. You got a bag full

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of shots right now. Let's pull them out and say,

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you know what, I've never seen anybody practice this shot,

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and I see him blow it on the course every

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single time because they don't think about it. Came up

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across one the other day my ball, I snap hooked

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the left and now I'm over in a corner. There's

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a there's a bunker right in front of me, there's

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a tree, on the left of me, a bunker on

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the right, and I'm on a dog leg left and

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I've got to get the ball to just kind of

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go around the corner here.

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Speaker 3: You need to hook it.

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Speaker 1: I need to hook it now, I don't. I don't

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have a draw in the way I hit the ball

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all right, and I am I have a slice. Oh,

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I have a slice. But so this playing lesson that

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I had, he gave me instruction. Here, point your feet

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out that way, but turn your club ahead in So

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let's let's do the kind of shot that you need

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to get around a corner that you've seen done. You know,

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how do they do that?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: I'd say it's hard enough for me just to get

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my club head square head impact, let alone, you know,

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change the position of the club.

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk about well, first of all, to hook

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the ball, the club face needs to be in a

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closed position, okay, at impact cloths close, meaning the toe

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is turned or pushed towards the target. Okay, So the

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toe is leading the way to the ball as opposed

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to as supposed to square, which would be heel and

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toe are lined up and hitting the ball when they

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are lined up and the toe being back a little

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bit for a slice or an open face.

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Speaker 1: Do most people lie the club face down at a

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closed angle without even knowing.

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Speaker 3: It, Yes, because they pay too much attention, usually to

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the top edge of the club instead of the bottom edge.

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If you if you spend a lot of time looking

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at the top edge, you'll end up closing the club

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face a little bit, because if you're looking down at

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your club, the top edge actually flares out to the

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right a little bit and it looks like it's open.

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It's but the leading edge, which is the bottom edge,

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is what you need to be concerned with and need

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to look at, because that's the true aim of your club.

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So a lot of people that that tend to look

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down and see that open. And having the angle of

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the club too, the seven aren or whatever it is,

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also makes it look like it might be a little open,

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and because of that people tend to shut the face

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down close it put turn the toe in uh, and

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so the top line looks square or straight to where

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they want to go, but in reality it's aiming left.

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And if they looked at the bottom edge of that club,

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the leading edge, they would see that.

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Speaker 1: And when the when it is closed like that, slightly

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closed like that is there is the ball flight going

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to be which directions the ball flight?

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Speaker 3: Ball is going to go left and it's going to

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go lower because not only are you turning the club

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to aim left, but you're delofting the club as well.

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Oh yes, yes, oh okay, So you're turning that seven

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iron into an eight or and or excuse me, a

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six or a five iron right by closing it. And

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the opposite, if you're going to open the face, you're

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instead of that seven iron, it would become an eight

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iron or a nine iron.

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Speaker 1: So how is it that you are there guides on

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your club, on your grip on what should you be

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lining up to know that you make sure that you

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have the leading edge square when you're setting up.

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Speaker 3: It's a good question, and it's different for you know,

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there's a few different ways some people might use their

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grip and but you got to make sure your grips

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are on properly. I mean, if your grips are off

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or you know, off a little bit, well, then your

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face is always going to be off. So you know,

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if you can guarantee your grips are aligned properly, then sure,

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that's one way to line up the angles and the

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lines with your grip, and so.

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Speaker 1: What are you looking for on your grip?

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Speaker 3: Well, grips are differently, are different. You got some that

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have arrows or almost triangles. There's lines, I mean, there's

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the name on the grip itself. They can line up

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directly down the middle of the shaft. But again, I

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think that's a little shake your way. I think it's

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a shakier way to line up your club. I literally

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would look at the bottom edge, and I think most

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of us can look at that leading edge and tell

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with some degree of accuracy that the club is perpendicular

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to the target line. I think the biggest mistake is there.

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They do one of two things. They either look at

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the top edge and think that it's open, so they

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close it. I think the bigger problem is is that

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people the slicers do that so that they don't slice

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as much, so they're creating another error to fix the

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first err instead of actually making the proper swing mechanic changes.

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You'll see that you'll see that club face close a

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lot more for that reason, because, believe me, if that

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club face is closed all the time and you're hooking

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the ball or pulling it you're gonna you're gonna change,

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You're gonna change you that that club face or your

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stance or something. Most people don't change their their their

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swing or they're yeah, exactly, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because they're like, I'm just I'm I'm

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hooking the ball all day long, I don't know. And

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then they start playing with their swing and doing that

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in the middle of a round too right making correction,

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and most of the time.

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Speaker 3: It is yeah, they they have a very strong grip

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where they're right in their left hand or one of

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the two are are turned too much to the right

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for a right handed golfer.

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Speaker 1: And it could be as simple as you just are

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not lining the club up properly on a dress.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, But there's so many factors of going you know,

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going left or right. First, you're gonna look at the grip.

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Is the is the grip weak? If it's weak, you

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get you're you're likely to go to the right. If

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it's strong, you're likely to go to the left, not guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: You have to de find that now a strong grip

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versus a week and listen, these are terms we hear

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a lot, but no one ever asked it to find them.

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So I'm gonna play dumb here because I am.

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Speaker 3: So let's just say a neutral grip is if you

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put your hands down in front of you and you applaud.

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They're facing each other and you applaud. Okay, that's a

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neutral grip. So if you took your grip your hands

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and put them on the grip and your palms are

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basically still facing each other, that's a pretty neutral grip. Now,

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the back of your hand is facing away from the

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target of your right hand excuse me for right hand golfer,

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and the back of your left hand for a right

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handed golfer follow me, is facing the target or or

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at least parallel to the target line. Okay. Now, if

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you turn those though, where your left hand starts to

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face right of the target, so you've turned it to

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the right, you've rotated your left hand to the right

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of the grip. Okay, okay, in a from where you're

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standing a clockwise position.

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Speaker 1: Almost on the top of the griping.

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Speaker 3: So now the back if you're rotating. Let's just say,

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if you went to a stream them ount with your

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left hand and turn it your the back of your

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hand would be facing the ball right okay, right, so

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we're back in right hand, the left hand, the.

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Speaker 1: Back of the left hand, yes, okay, okay, now so

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it's underneath then, well.

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Speaker 3: You're you're we're talking about your left hand now, okay.

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If a neutral grip is one where the back of

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your left hand is facing the target or target line.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm getting up here. You got We're gonna we're

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gonna go over here and grab a club while we're

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doing this, and I'll keep an eye on make sure

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we're recording, so you can stand here. So I'm grabbing

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her practice just the prectice club. So so okay, now

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we're here. We've got so.

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Speaker 3: You've got you've got a basic basically a neutral rip

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in which his his palms are facing each other, the

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back of his hand is facing away from each other,

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perpendicular to the or exactly actually actually parallel to the

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target line. Okay, So if you had a video camera

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on the back of your left hand, it's facing the target,

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they can see the target. Okay, Now, if you want

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to if if you want to weaken your grip, let's

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let's we're going to start over from what we said earlier.

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If you want to weak in your grip. Okay, you

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want to take that that camera that's on the back

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of your left hand and aim it to the left

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of the target. So you're that's right, You're going to

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turn it to the left. Your hand on the grip

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is going to turn to the left. That's a weaker grip.

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And if you have a weaker grip, you're probably at

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least to start with, you're probably going to be more

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appt to slice the ball.

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Speaker 1: Sure, okay, so with the weaker rip, the ball is

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going to go.

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Speaker 3: It's going to go to the right for a right

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handed golf for a weak grip, because and let's go

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to the extreme. Let's take that that left hand and

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let's turn it. So now now the back of your

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hand is facing your body, I mean your your feet.

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Look at how much that's turned. Well, you think you're

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gonna be able to rotate that club very easily through impact? No, exactly,

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Your club is more apt, your hands are more apt

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to go back to a neutral position. And now look

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at the club face is wide open to the right

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and okay, aiming to the right. So there are tweaks

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you can do with a grip. Most of the time

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we strengthen them a little bit, meaning move it in

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the opposite of the direction we just talked about. But

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very often if we get back to where we were

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in hooking the ball. If if I've got a hooker,

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the first thing I'm looking at is the grip. And

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then more often than that, that person has their they

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have a very strong grip, which means both of their

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hands are rotated to the right. So if they rotate

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both of their hands to the right clockwise, that's correct,

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that's usually a that's usually somebody if if they're hooking

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the ball, that's probably what they've done at least with

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the right hand, and a lot of times with both hands. Okay, Now,

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when you change that grip back over and that's it's

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a hard thing for people to do because there's a

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strength in that strong grip for them, they feel like

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they're in control with that strong grip, and when you

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weaken it, it feels just as it sounds weak, and

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it will more often well it's either going to straighten

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their golf ball out and sometimes make them no, go

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to the right. But I think because they're going to

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the right because they're just not used to and it's

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hard to do on radio a little bit. You need

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to rotate your hands through the golf swing, so your

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hands on the backswing are rotating in a clockwise position

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and on the downswing through impact a counterclockwise position. Correct. Yep,

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that's for the right handed golfer, all right. If you've

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got a strong grip, you're not going to be able

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to rotate your hands counterclockwise through impact because you'll hit

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it through your feet. You'll hit it so far left

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because your grip is so strong, it's going to close

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that face too much. So when you change a grip,

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they're so used to hanging on as I call it,

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and not rotating their hands that then they push or

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slice it off to the right. So when you make

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that change in the grip, you have to make the

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change in the swing. The grip change is an easy thing,

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I know it is. The grip change is easy at least,

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you know, you just change it on the grip. I mean,

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the feeling isn't good, but it's an easy change. The

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change to now rotate your hands through impact is a

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little bit more difficult because most in most cases, they've

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never done it. They couldn't do it. That's how they

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hit the ball as straight as they could is because

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the grip's so strong that they hang on for dear

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life I call it. They don't rotate their hands because

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they have to somehow keep that cluffe square and not closed.

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Speaker 1: So let's try to go back to that shot of

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needing to hook the ball, okay, and how to hook

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the ball and how to hook the ball, and you know,

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you're hitting under trees. You're hitting, you know, and you've

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just got to get out of trouble just to get

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yourself back onto the fairway. And that's what you're trying

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to do. You're not trying to get to the green.

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You're not trying to be a hero. You're trying to

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just get yourself back into play so that maybe you

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can be on in three as opposed to trying to

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be a hero and being on in four or five.

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Speaker 3: Now you want to know how to hook the ball, though,

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not just get out of trouble, but to actually go

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around that tree.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, okay, let's do that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, a couple of things need to happen. Number One,

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always face your club in the direction you want to

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end up. So let's just say that that you wanted

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to you want to start your ball ten yards right

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of the tree, have your club aim ten yards right

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of the tree. Okay, so that's your starting point. You

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wanted to hook though, So what you've got to do

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is turn your feet or turn your body rotate that

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so that you have a closed position in your feet,

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meaning your left foot's out in front of your right.

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So if I draw, it's kind of again it's tough

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to describe on radio a little bit. I'm not to

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use your word.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm used to use your words.

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Speaker 3: You're actually if I drew a line in the sand

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or on the turf, if I drew a line through

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your toes, they are now going to go right of

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where your club is aimed. So your club is aimed

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let's say at point A, and point B is actually

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right of point a, sou Point A is where your

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club face is facing. Point B is where your face

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your your feet would be lined up, which is right.

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So it's going to look like you have a club

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closed club face as you're standing. Okay, but remember to

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always have your club face face the target, okay, or

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the direction you want to go. What I don't want

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you to feel like is that Okay, I've got to

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snap my hands and close them or or hook have

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my wrist turn much more than they actually do during

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the swing. If you keep your club face closed to

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your stance, your ball is going to turn left if

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you swing on your stance line. Okay, so your stance

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is going to be to the right of your intended target. Okay,

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your swing is actually going to be on that line

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with the club face facing back where you want to go. Okay, okay, Yeah.

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What that's going to make that ball do is start

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out on the line that you're you're aiming, and then

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curve to the position that your club face is aiming.

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Speaker 1: And we're taking a full swing here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I mean, I guess how far you want

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to go? You can take a full swing.

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Speaker 1: We say we have the distance, you know, I mean,

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our distance is obviously going to be different than what

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we're accustomed to with that club because you're adding all that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's gonna go a little lower. I think,

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like I said earlier, it's gonna you're gonna deloff that

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club a little bit. So you're going to turn that

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seven iron into a six iron or a five iron.

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So your ball is going to go off a little lower,

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So you've got to be careful that. If there's any

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branches or anything, you've got any elevation you've got to

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worry about. You better pay attention to that because your

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ball will come out a little lower. Uh uh And

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where are we going with that?

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Speaker 1: Well, just that we're both lost. They are we want

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the ball? Are we going to get the distance that

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we that we intended? Are you with me? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, There's going to be subtle differences.

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I wouldn't worry too much about that.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The big thing is having it go where you want it. Distance,

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if it's ten yards off, I don't think in this

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situation's a big deal. I think it's a much more

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difficult task to actually make that ball turn to the left,

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you know, start start where you're aiming, which is going

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to be to the right, and have it curve around

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the corner where your club face is aiming. That's that's

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the more difficult thing to do, not so much distance,

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but the actually shape the ball in the in the

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direction you want to shape it. A lot of people

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will still hit it dead straight. They're aimed right in

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the club, you know, and just the opposite.

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Speaker 1: And why why do they why are they with all that?

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Are they still hitting it dead straight?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, are they set up properly? One? Okay?

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And I think it's for the average golfer. Anyways, they

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look down at that closed club, that closed club face,

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and can they really pull the trigger and trust that

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it's going to go over there? And we go back

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to the practice.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what I was going to say, it's practice exactly.

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Speaker 3: We go back to the practice. You know, I can

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explain this on paper all day long or somehow on

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on radio, but unless you get out there and actually

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practice it, because there's hand eye coordination and there's you know, again,

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what you feel a lot of times can be very

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different of what what you're thinking or reading. So you

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have to you have to experiment a little bit and

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be at least within the toleration of what we're talking

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about and having your feet aim to the right and

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cluff face close. See what it feels like to feel

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like you're purposely trying to swing out to the right

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of the target and right and the left of the target,

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and keep the face closed and watch where the ball goes,

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See where the ball's going on the range by experimenting

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a little bit. But if you if you, if you

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have some idea of how to produce a draw or

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a hook, you got a fighting chance, right.

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Speaker 1: Uh. It reminds me of doctor Glenn Albaugh, who's been

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on the show a couple of times, wrote the book

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Winning the Battle Within Mental about the mental game, and

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he was good friends with Bill Walsh, and he likes

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to quote Bill Walsh as saying, if you're surprised at

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the outcome, then you weren't prepared and prepared. So it's

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you know, it's all about.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that what we probably run into every day on

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the golf course. You know, they can't believe what just happened,

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and and and you have to wonder why they think

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that they haven't exactly practiced it or prepared for that.

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Speaker 1: At all at all. And and but and then, which

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is always so amusing, is that they think they can

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pull the shot off. Yeah, all right, I'm not a

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big fan of link style courses. I tend to have

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a real difficult time with the ball below my feet,

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the ball above my feet, the ball below my feed,

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the ball above my feet, and you know, give me trees, please, yeah,

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give me some trees.

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Speaker 3: Well, any I think any type golf course and any

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type grass takes practice. If you're going from the from

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the north or northeast where I came from, and you're

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playing bent all the time, and you go to to

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South Florida, which I did, and you start playing playing bermuda,

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it's an extremely different grass. I don't care if you're

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in the rough. The fairway, especially the greens are much

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more difficult to put in Bermuda with the grain and

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and the sponge nish of of that of that grass.

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I think the other is is when you go to Florida,

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you've got a golf course that in all likelihood that

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is surrounded with water and bunkers. And it's that type

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of golf course in Florida because that's what they have

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to offer down there, a lot of water, a lot

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of sand. You go up north and you're you maybe

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cut through woods, and it's a very different in the desert.

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You you've got uh desert on either side and if

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you're off the fairway. So I think it takes a

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little bit to get used to the different types of

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grass and golf course design. Like links as you said,

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and I think a lot of that is the mental part.

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It's the visual part. A shot is a shot, and

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if you can, I guess it's a little different when

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you're talking uphill and downhill. Yes, we can talk about

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how to hit those particular shots, but I think a

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lot of people are intimidated by the sight of things.

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And if they just took a two hundred yard shot

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as a two hundred yard shot, they're all the same.

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They may look different because you've got this daunting task

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in front of you, that the water going down the

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right side, and the bunkers here and all the trouble

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out there, but really a two hundred yard shot is

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two hundred yards. The visuals different, which is frightening sometimes.

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Speaker 1: And that's where the architect comes in, and that's the

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way they love to create those distractions. Yeah, I mean,

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I can't tell you how many times I've had an

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architect on I love talking to architects because they are

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average golfers who like to mess with average golfers, right,

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and they put these distractions. Why do you think there's

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so much water on part threes or there's bunkers surrounding

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the green on a part three? Because they put these

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distractions and it's to mess with your head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're saying it's well, let's just say if

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you had a let's go one hundred and fifty yards,

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it could be two hundred and you've got flat surface,

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no water, no bunkers around green out there. You think

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you're going to hit that shot easier than an island green,

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You bet your life you will. You're going to be

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a lot more relaxed as we talked about earlier. You're

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not gonna be as intimidated. You'll let it happen. There's

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not as much fear and all that adds up to

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the chances of you hitting a good or bat shot.

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Speaker 1: So back to the uneven lies. Ball below your feet,

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ball above your feet. I know it's hard enough for

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me to swing a golf club. It's hard enough for

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me to hit a ball consistently. It's just sitting there

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and I still have trouble hitting it. But now I've

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got to choke up on it. Now it feels completely different. Well,

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you laughing at me can.

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Speaker 3: Because we're going to go back to the practice, you know,

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And I mean that's part of it. It's it's uncommon,

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it's unfamiliar. It's it's very different. So you know, anything

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we walk into I mean, if you knowledge is confidence

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in life, and if you stand over a shot and

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you don't have the knowledge of how to hit that shot, well,

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how much confidence are you going to have? And without confidence,

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good luck to you?

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: So golf is all about confidence and confidence.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much better I do when

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I walk up to a bunker golf. Oh I love

477
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this shot right as like, oh God, I'm not in

478
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the mood for a bunker to day, right, but just

479
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when I walk in, going yeah, I own this one.

480
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

481
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Speaker 1: The outcome always seems to.

482
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Speaker 3: Look at the levels, Look at the levels of fear

483
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,880
on the range or at the bunker. At the range,

484
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,480
probably not that bad, hitting balls down there, not that bad.

485
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:12,039
Go play golf. Different story, now, tournament yet another level.

486
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,599
I think all of those the tension rises and fear

487
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,839
rises with every one of them, and those that can

488
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conquer that trust or knowledge or fear in those areas

489
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will do better. If you're scared to death when you

490
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go to the golf course, it makes it very difficult

491
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and very often you look at the tour, I mean,

492
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you got guys that they're all really really good players.

493
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What separates somebody from, you know, from number ninety to

494
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,599
number ten. I think it's the mental part, I really do.

495
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They've all got the shots. They're all really good potters

496
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who can stand up there with their guts spilling out

497
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and still make that potter, that shot that separates the

498
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,319
top from the bottom. I think, Well, that's.

499
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Speaker 1: What amazes me about all these young young guns coming

500
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up into the tour who you you know, it's like

501
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,559
they don't have that kind of uh mature wherewithal to

502
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to you know, they have cockiness, they have confidence, Yeah,

503
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but when you talk about the mental game, that's a

504
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whole different Yeah.

505
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Speaker 3: But cockiness and what's really happening within two very different things.

506
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I think cockiness sometimes is an outward you know, and

507
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,839
I think that confidence is with it is inward. I

508
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,920
think that's very of two very different things. And you're right,

509
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,119
you've got a lot of cockiness. But what's happening behind

510
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,480
the scenes, which means, you know, what's happening between the ears,

511
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,799
it could be very different than what that person is

512
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:33,640
outwardly showing.

513
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Speaker 1: And we've seen that with some young players the last

514
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couple of years who just collapse on on well, anybody

515
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,960
can collapse on Sunday because it's Sunday. You know that

516
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,640
that's just what's gonna happen. But you see these young

517
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ones who just the pressure, the mental pressure sure changes everything.

518
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Uh and it just surprised.

519
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Speaker 3: Hasn't gotten a I don't care. If you're out there

520
00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:56,319
in a two dollars bet with your buddies and you

521
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,640
got a three foot putt, you're gonna feel pressure.

522
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: You're n easy to start rocking.

523
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Speaker 3: And it doesn't make any sense. You know, it's for

524
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,960
for two dollars and it's not going to change our

525
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,119
lives in the a bit. And sometimes it's for no money.

526
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,920
It's just the want of making that putt. And it's

527
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,880
crazy how we allow our minds to travel in places

528
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,920
that you know they shouldn't be in a golf course.

529
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Speaker 1: That's what I like to talk about, having a mental mulligan. Okay,

530
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,279
where you know mulligans aren't legal. You're not allowed to

531
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,039
like you know, I'll just drop another ball and hit

532
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:30,200
it again. But you can step away from the.

533
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Speaker 3: Ball, good luck, regroup. That's time to do.

534
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: It is very hard to do, but you're allowed to

535
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,599
do it. And it doesn't count in your scorecard. Right,

536
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,759
Maybe you're gonna take a little extra time and your

537
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:42,359
friends are going come on, and you're gonna feel And that's.

538
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Speaker 3: Probably why a lot of people don't do it, is

539
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,200
they feel like, okay, I gotta you know, slow play,

540
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,160
I'm holding people up whatever. And and but certainly once

541
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,000
you take that swing, you're gonna wish you had.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well or just like you. So you get yourself

543
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:58,079
all set up, you step up to the ball and

544
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,480
you feel a rock under your foot. Now thinking about

545
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:01,759
is the rock? And so like, oh, this is going

546
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:05,400
to change everything, and all this noise is going on

547
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,400
in your head and it's it shows up in the shot.

548
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And you need to get to a place

549
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:13,759
on the golf course that isn't isn't thinking about all

550
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:16,559
the mechanics. And I said that earlier about being uh,

551
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,359
I think you need to be analytical on the range

552
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,319
and free spirited on the golf course. And think about this.

553
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,240
We've all driven down the highway and you could drive

554
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:31,880
for twenty minutes and your mind's going everywhere, and all

555
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,160
of a sudden it comes to you, let oh, wow,

556
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,759
how did I get here? How did I get here?

557
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,160
I mean, I haven't thought about driving or staying in

558
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,319
my lane for the last twenty minutes, and yet I've

559
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,160
done it perfectly.

560
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Speaker 1: Have you ever driven a stick shift?

561
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

562
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,279
Speaker 1: How many times? Were getting third year? And do you

563
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:49,079
even know how you did that?

564
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,599
Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly. It's like, that's the place you need to

565
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,039
go when you're playing golf. You have to be in

566
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:58,880
And I've read some things about this, but the right

567
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,880
side of your brain is really where you need to be.

568
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:03,039
I certainly am not going to go into detail about

569
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:04,799
that because I don't know enough about it. But you've

570
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,200
got to be in that zone. You've heard the word

571
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,480
people being in the zone. And and I played played

572
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:15,839
basketball earlier in life. Is I when I was shooting, well, boy,

573
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:17,759
I'll tell you what. That hoop looked so big. I

574
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,039
never thought about it. That thing was so so easy.

575
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,240
And when you're putting, well, it's the same thing. And

576
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:27,000
that's where I was going. It's uh, you're not thinking

577
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,720
about your backswing and I'm gonna miss it's a different place.

578
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:34,079
It's uh. And and I think I kind of relate

579
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,279
that driving down the highway to uh where you need

580
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:43,240
to find yourself on the golf course. I find it best.

581
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I had this. I had this thing hooked up to

582
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,559
my head and the whole thing I look like Frankenstein.

583
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,400
But they were measuring my brain waves. Who was some

584
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,640
some guy that had this device. He was working for

585
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,160
some company and he wanted to measure my brain waves

586
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,920
as I was hitting the golf ball, because most most

587
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,079
good players hit front while they're in the right side

588
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,839
of their brain. So I thought, okay, let me try it. Uh.

589
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:08,920
And initially I was in the left side, which means

590
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,079
I'm thinking too much, okay, And I was able to

591
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,720
and there was noises coming from this computer, and then

592
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,359
graphics that showed me, you know, that I was on

593
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the right side and so on. But it was pretty interesting.

594
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Speaker 1: Uh.

595
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Speaker 3: When I when I UH focused on a specific target

596
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as I talked about earlier, and I didn't even know

597
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,200
if this was going to happen. Honestly, I got up

598
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,640
there and said, okay, I'm just gonna do what I

599
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:32,880
normally do. I got up there and I picked there

600
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,519
was a window at the end of the range up

601
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,680
at the up on this house, in the corner of

602
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,000
this house, one little pain and I and I focused

603
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:42,359
on that, and I thought about that and you know,

604
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,440
I've heard it called my your third eye where you're

605
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,640
you're you're you've got that vision in your head when

606
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,960
you look down to the golf ball. You don't look,

607
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,960
you don't see the golf ball. You're still seeing that

608
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,319
target that you're trying to swing at. And then you

609
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,680
swing at that vision in your head. Then thing was

610
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:00,279
going nuts that I was in the right side of

611
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:04,920
my brain. So it kind of confirmed at least for

612
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,759
me that I I think I'm on the right track

613
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:09,880
when I'm not playing golf that I'm not thinking about,

614
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,119
you know, is my right hand going this on the

615
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,880
backswing er up here? I'm actually target oriented and it's

616
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a better place mentally to be.

617
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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the four levels of conscious competence?

618
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Speaker 3: No, you will enlighten me.

619
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Speaker 1: I will try because it's always confusing to me, but

620
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,079
I'm going to try to do it here. So you

621
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,119
want to get to a level of unconscious competence.

622
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,119
Speaker 3: Okay, we're talking the same language.

623
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: Exactly, and you're starting at a level of unconscious incompetence,

624
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,319
so you don't know what you're doing and you don't

625
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:47,279
know how you got there. Then you get to when

626
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:50,960
you start golf as older like myself. You get to

627
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,160
conscious incompetence, so I know how bad I am, and

628
00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:06,920
then wait, there's unconscious incompetence, conscious conscious incompetence, unconscious conscious incompetence,

629
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,319
and then unconscious competence.

630
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean something like that, something like that.

631
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,599
Speaker 1: But you want to get to a point where you

632
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,839
don't have to think about it. That's getting in that zone.

633
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we're talking about the same thing a little differently,

634
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,319
but yeah, that's if you can find a place or

635
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,480
place there or try to get closer to that. There's

636
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:25,480
too many people that are on that golf course thinking

637
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:26,039
of everything.

638
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: But that too much thinking going on.

639
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:33,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the there's the phrase, uh, paralysis by analysis. Yeah,

640
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:35,559
you know, and I think that's that's true. I mean,

641
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,680
shoot a basket. Are you thinking about how far your

642
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:40,279
arm's going back or at the speed of which it's

643
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:44,400
going Not at all. You're you're just looking at something

644
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,599
and shooting at it. But you're see.

645
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,319
Speaker 1: No, here's an interesting I've always found that fascinating because

646
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,839
with that, with throwing a baseball, shooting a basket, you're

647
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,799
not looking at the ball. You're looking at your target, right,

648
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,880
So the ball is not your target.

649
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,559
Speaker 3: No, but no, I've got something to say about that.

650
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,839
But I've got something to say about that. Somebody asked

651
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,720
me one time, you see the ball when you hit it?

652
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,759
And I thought about it for a second. I said,

653
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,039
do you know what? I'm looking at it? But I

654
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:17,519
don't see it because I've got my target in my head.

655
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,440
That's the visual I have. So yes, and no, I'm

656
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,720
not literally looking at my target, but it's in my head.

657
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,559
That's the visual I have in my head. So the

658
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,160
ball is the same, but the ball is not the target. No,

659
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,880
it shouldn't be. I haven't heard one instructor say hit

660
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,559
at the ball. They say hit through the ball, hit

661
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,200
at your target, swing at your target.

662
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,079
Speaker 1: And how many people that's to them? Even on their

663
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:48,240
practice swings, you can see, oh that's the end of

664
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:48,640
their swing.

665
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,039
Speaker 3: Oh god. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a bit well and

666
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,759
in part because it's a fear. It's like the bomb's

667
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:54,799
going to go off as soon as they hit the

668
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,440
ball because they have no trust, they already anticipate missing.

669
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:05,519
Speaker 1: It unconscious in companies, Yeah, exactly. So I don't even

670
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,240
know if we've we've done this, Where have we gone here? Well,

671
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:10,079
you know, I wanted to talk about the you know,

672
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:11,960
ball below your feet, ball above your feet and different,

673
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,039
and I have a feeling whatever I asked you didn't

674
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:15,079
say practice.

675
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean the ball ball below your feet.

676
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,720
You're going to have to do some things like bend

677
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,240
your knees a little bit more. I I some people

678
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:25,559
I've heard say, well, I'm going to bend bend over

679
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:27,240
from the waist a little bit more. I don't agree.

680
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:28,640
I think you need to bend your knees a little

681
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,359
bit more. Uh. The hardest thing with the ball below

682
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,000
your feet is to stay in that spine angle through impact,

683
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:37,319
we tend to come up.

684
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

685
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and you're going to scull the ball, top

686
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:43,720
the ball, and you know you're going to miss it

687
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:45,640
in some form of fashion. So you've got to really

688
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,359
almost feel like you're you're going down lower than you

689
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,200
want to or like the feel of. Because our tendency

690
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,279
is to come up. The ball's likely for a right

691
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,599
hander to go to the right. But I've also seen

692
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,279
a lot of people pull it because from that pass position,

693
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,359
they don't rotate very well through the ball. They don't

694
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,799
rotate their hips very well, so they tend to pull

695
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:07,400
the ball, so you've got to be a little bit careful.

696
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,840
I'm not going to tell everybody, well, you're going to

697
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,239
slice it, not necessarily. If you don't rotate from that

698
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,039
bent knee position, you could pull.

699
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: It too interesting, And then there's the whole element of oh,

700
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,159
ball below your feet, the ball is going to go.

701
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: To the right. Yes, that's all what I just said exactly.

702
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,760
But I think ball above your feet going to left

703
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,199
is more common the ball below your feet going to

704
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,280
the right. I think you can pull that ball just

705
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,440
as easily because it's much more difficult to rotate from

706
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,440
that position. Being probably bent over a little bit too much,

707
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,880
as some people do, and the knees bent too much,

708
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,960
it's more difficult to get those hips rotated through the ball,

709
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,119
so you could pull it. Also, I think when the

710
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:54,840
ball's above your feet, you're almost definitely going to go

711
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to the left or draw left, and you need to

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aim to the right to accommodate that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, listen, I can go over fairway bunkers, chipping

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around the green, chipping from tall grass from the short grass, uh,

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hitting out of a divot, hitting on hard pan. There's

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and plus I'm just fascinated to hear from you about you.

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You seem to have all your your history of your base,

718
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growing up everything in the East, and now you're playing

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West Coast golf. How different that is for you. And

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we're going to have to cover that more often. So

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now that we're neighbors, I'm going to have to just

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drag you in here a lot.

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Speaker 3: I hope you look forward to. It was fun, good, good.

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Speaker 1: And I again encourage anyone to look Ken up at

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Marine Country Club. It's Ken Doherty. He is the head

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head golf professional, golf professional, not a teaching pro. No,

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you're the goal professional. You're running the business exactly.

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Speaker 3: Being a head golf professional at a at a country club,

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a private country club is a business. You're running merchandise

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and tournaments and instruction is a part of that puzzle.

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And it's not just an instructor. You've got to run.

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There's a lot going on there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and somebody else is making sure you're probably overseeing,

734
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but they're making sure that the shop is being run,

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that's sold, and you got the right merchandise. Then you've

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got the tournaments, and then you've got the events, and

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then you got the people who were, and plus with

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country clubs, you've got people who are in your face

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a lot, winning changes and doing things. There's more than

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just teaching here, and you've got to do that as well.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you've got If you've got four hundred members, you

742
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probably have four hundred bosses. It's awful. I've been very

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fortunate to be able to have a way about handling

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that I and I actually welcome if somebody I don't know,

745
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I don't have all the answers. Yeah, you know, so

746
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somebody coming in and saying, hey, what about this. You know,

747
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if you go to go to a seminar, if you

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walk away with one or two things, you've done pretty good.

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And you know, somebody can throw fifty ideas at me.

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It doesn't mean I'm going to use them. But it's

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great to hear that stuff and you can get some

752
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good ideas. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: A friend of mine one said, look, when we were

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looking at colleges for our kids, it doesn't matter where

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you send your good to college. If they get ten

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percent of what their teachers have to learn, they're going

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to get a great education. You just can't get it

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all in. You can't get it all well. Listen, buddy,

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I really appreciate your time. This has been a lot

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of fun for me and again I'm hoping we get

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to do this a lot more and.

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Speaker 3: One pleasure to thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and again, if you have any questions for Ken,

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I want to get in contact, please write to me.

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Go ahead and click on the Heyfred button at golf

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smarter dot com and Ken. We'll be happy to answer

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any questions you have. Ken, thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Fred