1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: What is a fellows e goes, I am Dan Valley 2 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,760 coming at you with mister Grant Hughes, the certified, fantabulous 3 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,519 mister Grant Hughes. I was gonna even have been calling 4 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:26,960 you the one and the only Grant Hughes when you're not. 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,960 And I'm like, that feels like a pretty common name. 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,359 I really shouldn't fink there's no one like you as 7 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:33,159 an actual being. 8 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:35,799 Speaker 2: But there's definitely a bunch of people that have your name. 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 3: And there's a much more famous one. 10 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 4: Uh, not that I have any level of fame whatsoever, 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,799 but there is a Grant Hughes that is married to 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,280 the actress Sophia Bush, and she's famous. And so if 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,840 you google my name, you're gonna get this guy. You're 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,560 gonna get a lot of other Grand hues content. 15 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:54,159 Speaker 1: To be fair, Google just really hasn't caught up to 16 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:57,000 the popularity of this podcast, and as the world's foremost 17 00:00:57,119 --> 00:01:00,000 popular media property, you are the most famous Grand Hughes. 18 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people don't know. That's why Google 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,359 is getting broken up by the government. It's because it's 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,519 just like doesn't work very well search wise. It's not 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,000 because of the monopoly. 22 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: We are here with a bonus content because we're rolling 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,640 out looking at and left them. Man, Granted, we just 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,400 put out content. Shout out to Grant and I, but 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,840 we're bonus content. We're gonna either draft, well, exchange. I 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,799 don't know why I'm using the word draft. We're gonna 27 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:23,760 exchange teams that still need to make moves, and we 28 00:01:23,799 --> 00:01:28,079 are defining it by we will be or fans should 29 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:32,120 be uncomfortable if these teams don't do something before the 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,400 season or very early in the season. These are not 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,760 situations where you would be like, oh, we're fine waiting 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,239 until the deadline. And so there will be teams like, yeah, 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,079 we could see them being active at the trade deadline, 34 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:44,879 but you can easily justify nope, just leave it. See 35 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:45,560 what you have here. 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: These are the. 37 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: Teams that were not okay with them playing it out, 38 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,040 in large part because we've seen what happens when some 39 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:52,480 of these teams play it out, and it's kind of 40 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:53,359 just like, nope, we. 41 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,239 Speaker 2: Don't want that anymore. 42 00:01:54,319 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: How are you feeling about this exercise, Grant? Considering that 43 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,799 we both threw it on ourselves last minute, I. 44 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,799 Speaker 4: Think it's gonna be a good framing device for you know, 45 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,079 looking ahead as like, well, where are the trades gonna 46 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:07,519 come from? Because they're coming and these are all teams 47 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:09,159 I think you probably are gonna want to look at 48 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:11,240 when you're trying to figure out, like where the shuffling 49 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,520 is going to happen. I would add that, like for me, 50 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:17,400 it's almost it's less like, oh, this is a catastrophe 51 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:19,560 if they don't make a move. It's just like there's 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,000 very obviously unfinished business on this roster. Like it doesn't 53 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:26,879 it doesn't make sense. You wouldn't imagine they would complete 54 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:28,879 the season looking the same way. 55 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: It's just like it would be surprising. So that's kind 56 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:31,719 of how I'm looking at it. 57 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: Would you like to start us off? 58 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 4: Sure, I'll start one off. Keeps getting me in trouble 59 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,479 at least among Lakers fans. 60 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: But like, is he not talking about the Kings. 61 00:02:41,319 --> 00:02:42,479 Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna leave them alone. 62 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: I think they've made their moves. Well maybe not, but 63 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:48,439 they're not on my list. The Lakers, like I've sort 64 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:50,800 of counseled, like you kind of start you need to 65 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,680 start looking at some reckless options because the safe ones 66 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,240 aren't really there. And if you have Lebron and ad 67 00:02:57,159 --> 00:02:59,639 and you want to stay at least where you are, 68 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:01,919 which is the plan, or maybe improve. 69 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:03,199 Speaker 3: You got to get. 70 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,159 Speaker 4: Somebody that's gonna move the needle. So I'm not like, 71 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:07,719 is that Zach Lavine. 72 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:08,319 Speaker 2: I don't know. 73 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:10,199 Speaker 3: The price is pretty low right now. You might get 74 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:11,360 a first rounder. 75 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,759 Speaker 4: With him, so it doesn't need to be him necessarily, 76 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:17,319 But I don't think the I don't think you're gonna 77 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:20,520 get him any cheaper. But the Lakers just feel unfinished 78 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,479 because they really, if you know, other than Dalton Connect, 79 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,159 not a lot of additions this offseason, and so they're 80 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,879 just banking on some of the ones they made last 81 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,759 year being healthier. Kind of feels unfinished undone to me, 82 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,199 I would. 83 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,599 Speaker 1: Agree with you, and I have seen the logic that 84 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,759 you kind of laid out just now. Well, Gabe Vincent 85 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,719 will play in more than five games, and Jared Vanderbilt 86 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:45,280 will be healthier, and look, they got Dalton Connect, who's 87 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,639 an upgrade over Torrian Prince. 88 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,159 Speaker 2: I will say the last part first. 89 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: You don't just get to assume that an incoming rookie 90 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:53,919 is going to be better than an NBA veteran who's 91 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,840 going to be in a rotation with the Milwaukee Bucks 92 00:03:56,039 --> 00:03:58,319 in all likelihoods. So I find that logic to be 93 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,599 incredibly flawed. And the other thing is just Lebron James 94 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:04,000 and Anthony Davis, since I think a lot of listeners 95 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:06,319 prefer games played, I use possessions all the time. They 96 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:10,360 appeared in sixty six games together Grant last year. Are 97 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,080 you gonna take the over the under on that number 98 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,080 leading into next season? 99 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,319 Speaker 3: I'm taking a hard under on that one. 100 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 4: And you just have to factor in like, any time 101 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,519 one or the other is out, you're talking coin flip 102 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,519 at best against most teams, and if they're both out, 103 00:04:22,519 --> 00:04:25,560 you're drawing dead. So it's if you're gonna go for 104 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,079 it one, you're banking on them being healthy for this 105 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:31,720 like third star pursuit to even make any sense, But like, 106 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,040 what's the alternative? We just kind of hold onto our 107 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:36,480 picks and then go in like start getting ready for 108 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:37,879 the post Lebron era right now? 109 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: I mean maybe, but I don't think that's the way 110 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:40,399 to go. 111 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: I think the a valid form of pushback would be, well, 112 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,160 who is the person they're supposed to go out and get? 113 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,199 And I think you're at the point where it's, well, 114 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:49,560 you don't need to look at this as the all 115 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:52,160 or nothing proposition of we need to include connect two 116 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,519 first rounders, three swaps, Austin Reeves and go get LaMelo 117 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,600 Ball or whoever that you think you could get. That 118 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,959 player doesn't seem to be available. You mentioned Zach Lavin 119 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:04,720 if you could just get him for contracts, Why this point, 120 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,000 he's almost because and like and Reeves isn't one of 121 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,480 those contracts, do it? 122 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:10,519 Speaker 2: Like, I just don't. 123 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: He's become underrated in the sense that, okay, the contract 124 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,839 doesn't look great, he's injured. This is still someone who 125 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,639 if you slot him into the Lakers where he's very 126 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,680 clearly gonna be the third best player and you're not 127 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,439 gonna need him to do a ton of distribution for you. 128 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,000 He it feels like he finally won't be miscast. And 129 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,160 the other thing I'll point to here is what was 130 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:31,879 the point in staying under the second apron if you're 131 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:34,480 not gonna utilize that flexibility? And I just don't know 132 00:05:34,519 --> 00:05:37,199 how you look at last season and okay, you did 133 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,959 play really well when your top four guys Ruye, Reeves, 134 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,720 Davis and James around the court, But like and the 135 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:46,040 answer is just to stay the same, Like, what what 136 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,360 did you do during the postseason last year that makes 137 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:51,920 you think like, oh, like this team is close as 138 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,160 currently constructed? 139 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing, nothing. 140 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,519 Speaker 1: What is their biggest need to you? But like, forget 141 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:00,360 about player, but what is there? Like to me, it 142 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,160 feels very clearly like, hey, could we get any wings 143 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,959 at all? But like two way wings is just they've 144 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:08,240 decided to punt on them ever since the championship for 145 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:08,720 some reason. 146 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like two A wings for sure, two a anything. 147 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: Like, So you're not just choosing between D'Angelo Russell or 148 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,879 potentially healthy Gabe Vincent depending on your playoff need and 149 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,920 like giving back something on one end or the other. 150 00:06:19,519 --> 00:06:23,240 It's just I know this is reductive, but one of 151 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,319 the needs might just be a guy that can be 152 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:29,560 you know, the third star or whatever you want to 153 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,600 call it. Someone that's like an upgrade over everybody except 154 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,560 James and Davis that can eat innings. Can like you 155 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,920 want to be careful with that because that was the 156 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,040 Russell Westbrook argument. 157 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,439 Speaker 3: That is not what I'm suggesting. 158 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 4: But someone that could eat innings maybe give those guys 159 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,040 the opportunity to take nights off and you have you know, 160 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,360 unnamed third Guy and Davis or Lebron on a lot 161 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,759 of nights, like that's enough to win some games. If 162 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,680 everybody's healthy, then great. But it's just like it's a 163 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,199 high end talent upgrade to me, I think, or you 164 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,519 try to balance things out at point guard or on 165 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:00,879 the wing one way or the other. 166 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: And finally, I think the danger this will apply to 167 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:05,680 some more teams in even if you want to say, well, 168 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,319 why don't we wait and see how healthy they are 169 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,720 and what Davins and jere Vanderbilt do, you just don't 170 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:13,120 have that type of margin for error in the West. 171 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,079 So like, if it doesn't go according to plan or 172 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,680 close to according to plan, you're almost kind of screwed 173 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,279 at that point because you've given up too much ground. 174 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:24,480 My turn, I'm gonna go with this. Needs will come 175 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:28,720 a bit now. Your New Orleans Pelicans, there's a couple 176 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:32,680 of fronts where I think that this applies. They need 177 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,439 to figure out what's going on with Brandon Ingram. Are 178 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,800 you going to extend him? Are you letting this play out? 179 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: Can you move him? 180 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:40,439 Speaker 1: Is what is the offer even out there for him? 181 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,519 Regardless of what goes on with Brandon Ingram, though I 182 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,199 am wildly uncomfortable with the way the center. 183 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: Rotation looks like right now. 184 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:50,759 Speaker 1: And I understand that you could make the point where 185 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,199 whoever you get isn't supposed to play like this huge role. 186 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:58,639 If you look at their depth chart, though, grant their 187 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,639 best center, that's it's probably Daniel Tye. Like, I don't 188 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:05,720 think that you're gonna put Karla Makovic over there over him. 189 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,879 That's like way too soon to do something like that. 190 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,560 Eve mecI either, So how many players do you have 191 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,120 to go through in terms of New Orleans' best players 192 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,319 before you get to a center? 193 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: Oh, it's like it's gotta be double digits practically, right. 194 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: Murray McCollum, Ingram Herb Jones, Zion Williamson, Trey Murphy. So 195 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,480 those six are better than any centers you have. Are 196 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,839 you putting Jose Alvarado ahead of Daniel Tye? 197 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:30,519 Speaker 3: Yeah? 198 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: Are you putting Jordan Hawkins ahead of Daniel Tyson? 199 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: I am? I love Jordan Hawkins. 200 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:36,159 Speaker 1: So like they're eighth or ninety, you have to go 201 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,080 through eight or nine players before you can make a case. 202 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,799 And that's just that doesn't feel like a recipe for success. 203 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,240 I understand that they can have Zion Williamson play the five. 204 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:49,320 That's better off being a club in your bag rather 205 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:50,960 than like the primary. 206 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,399 Speaker 2: Tool in your belt. 207 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:55,799 Speaker 1: And I just don't they might be looking at it 208 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,080 as well. We haven't shout out to Sam Besini framed 209 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,679 it this way on one of the latest episode of 210 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,000 Game Theory, one of the latest episodes of Game Theory, 211 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,240 like you're just not gonna win a playoff series like that. 212 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,240 And they have six guys this how we framed it, 213 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,960 who should theoretically close and none of them are a center. 214 00:09:12,279 --> 00:09:14,960 That doesn't really excuse he wasn't excusing it, by the way, 215 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,840 for anyone who cares, that doesn't excuse not doing more 216 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,960 to upgrade the center position here. And I just don't 217 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,759 know if this is by design, are they holding out 218 00:09:23,159 --> 00:09:27,399 for something or is this like by mistake where it's, oh, 219 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,320 we didn't it Because you can say, well, would you 220 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,480 feel better about this team if Larry Dange Junior wasn't 221 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,600 part of the de Jonte Murray trade, Like, yeah, no shit, 222 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,879 I probably would, because that's like someone who resembles that 223 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:40,919 he's not a true Rimp protector. But I'd rather have 224 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,200 him play center and handle those responsibilities than throwing it 225 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,440 on Desion or does Daniel Pics need to play more 226 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,519 than a few minutes per game. It's just I won't 227 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:52,519 say it's detrimental because I'm still very high on this 228 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:57,919 roster overall, but something just feels off here and it doesn't. 229 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,240 People are so often gonna frame this in well it 230 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,919 needs to be like a bigger name, but I don't 231 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:04,000 know that it like, just get someone who can eat 232 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,679 up more minutes right now then and be better than 233 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:09,600 Makovich or or MESI. 234 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, we've spent a lot of 235 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,919 time over the years talking about, like, well, you need 236 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,200 a very specific type of center for this team, right 237 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:19,279 because otherwise Zion doesn't make sense at this point. It's like, 238 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,679 get somebody and like the it'd be great if you 239 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,679 could sort of, you know, two birds this thing and 240 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,559 have the Ingram trade be the thing that brings you 241 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,679 back the center. It's just we've spent long enough going 242 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,960 over what the options are, and I just, I mean, 243 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,080 I don't see it right now. Maybe things will change, 244 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,960 but that's the whole point of this is like things 245 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,840 are gonna need to change because this roster is very 246 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:41,159 very much unfinished and they do. 247 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,039 Speaker 1: Have challenges, one of them being that they're not going 248 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,440 to be a team that's willing to pay the tax. 249 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:49,679 And they've also just because you gave up Dyson Daniels 250 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,159 and Larry Dance Junior, like you've you've used all of 251 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,159 your mid end salary cards. And so if you are 252 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,879 going to get a center, unless you're just kind of saying, 253 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:00,399 all right, well, we're gonna move Jordan Hawkins as part 254 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:01,639 of that, and he's making four and a half million, 255 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:04,519 that's able to bring back someone you're trading either someone 256 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,600 who's super expensive and or a core part of your team. 257 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,120 And so ideally maybe it's like, oh, if we could 258 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,960 just move CG. McCollum for two players, But it's not 259 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,120 gonna work like that, and so they're I'll be built 260 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,799 to not make the smallest of them or like a 261 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,960 media move. It has to be either big or super 262 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,120 small there. But I just think that they. 263 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: Need to do something before the season starts. 264 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. 265 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 4: Let's let's go the Pelicans are kind of fringy contenders, 266 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:32,720 or at least up there. Let's let's I'm gonna go 267 00:11:32,759 --> 00:11:36,720 to Portland here, and it's just the basics of you 268 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,919 just drafted Scoot Henderson third last year Shadon Sharp was 269 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,919 in the high lottery of the year before. But there's 270 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,799 just all these veterans on the team, some of whom 271 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:47,519 are highly paid Jeremy Grant, although we're fine with that contract, 272 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:49,559 but you've got DeAndre Ay and you've got Robert Williams 273 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:49,919 the third. 274 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:50,759 Speaker 3: Like who else am I free? 275 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 4: Anthony Simons I think probably falls in that bucket of 276 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:55,879 guys that are like you kind of seem more like 277 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:59,440 a trade chip than someone that a reasonable executive would say, 278 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,720 this is someone that it's going to grow with Scoot 279 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:05,639 and Shade and Sharp, you know, over the next half decade. 280 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:08,120 Like you put too Mani Kamara in that group, I 281 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,000 guess as the young pieces group. That makes sense here, 282 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:12,960 but it's just kind of a disconnect then, like I 283 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,960 think to the Blazer's credit, also, you just added Danny Avdia, 284 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,480 which we like him, but he's kind of in the 285 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:21,679 middle a little bit. Maybe he's young enough to be 286 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,399 a core piece. There's just kind of a weird mishmash 287 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,759 of different like experience levels, I guess, and it feels 288 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:31,639 like there's at least a couple layers that kind of 289 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,919 need to get peeled off of this roster before you 290 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,960 really get down to what it should be, which is 291 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:40,200 just like we are starting all the way over and 292 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:42,679 that's not what this roster is at the moment. 293 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,279 Speaker 1: No, And it's I just think the center one bothers 294 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,799 me the most. Where it's if I see Donovan Klingon 295 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,600 lose in minutes to DeAndre and I'm gonna sure be 296 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,519 just absolutely frustrated, And it's just like clear the decks here. 297 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,480 And you also might want to kind of make the 298 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:00,440 decision of Okay, I know why Anthony Simon is super young, 299 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,080 but he has two years left on his deal, and 300 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,240 we have Shane Sharp and Scoot Henderson here. 301 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: We've now added more perimeter players to the mix. 302 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: When you look at you know, Chris Murray from last year, 303 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,080 they just traded for Denniavia. What is the theory now, 304 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:15,120 Vatis Thieble. Since Denniavia is there, it just feels like 305 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,679 they just need to clear And by the way, when 306 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,279 you look at the landscape of the West, like they 307 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:22,200 shouldn't be trying to accumulate wins right now either, and 308 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:25,279 so if they are going to play everybody, and if 309 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:27,759 it's not like a mandate where I think, if you 310 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:30,440 look at this roster, there are probably some people that 311 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,120 argue that not even Scoot Henderson is guaranteed to start. 312 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:34,879 And so I'm just gonna say that Scoot Henderson will 313 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:38,320 start because I think that he absolutely should be. But 314 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,559 like everybody, like Shane Sharp Clinging, like those are all 315 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,480 guys that you should be trying to get. Like, yeah, 316 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:45,279 it's not who starts to tell many minutes they play, 317 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,000 but how are you supposed to juggle all this? So 318 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,120 you might not be getting as much run for the 319 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,440 youngsters as you would need, like you're the ones that 320 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,480 you're really married too long term. And then by the way, 321 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,759 you also just might wind up stumbling into too many 322 00:13:55,759 --> 00:13:59,159 wins and that could technically hurt your lottery odds. When 323 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:00,600 we're looking at well, there are some teams in the 324 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,240 Eastern Conference they're not gonna give a fuck to open 325 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,240 the year, and so you're not gonna make up that ground. 326 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,440 Maybe they're guaranteed to finish with a bottom four record anyway, 327 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,360 So are we overthinking it? But as of right now, 328 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,879 there's a chance that this team, if they made no 329 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:17,879 moves grant like they could be better than a bottom 330 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:20,559 four team, and like there's doesn't feel like they're kind 331 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:23,879 of like they could be a sneaky good defensive team 332 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:26,000 when you look at this personnel, and I'm not advocating 333 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:29,759 against that, but it's just like there's just so much here. 334 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:33,120 And I understand you're in talent accumulation mode, but is 335 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,720 it the like, are we gonna make sure that the 336 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:37,519 right talent has the right opportunities and it I feel 337 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:40,000 like at least one or two trades would help clean 338 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,320 up that vision quite a bit. 339 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,519 Speaker 4: Like you don't want to kind of being you know, 340 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:47,799 hyperbolic in saying like you gotta get rid of everybody 341 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:49,840 that's over twenty two or whatever. You know, it's not 342 00:14:49,919 --> 00:14:51,960 quite that you need. You do want to keep around 343 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,559 like one or two of those guys if they're the 344 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:58,320 right guys, but it's just because, you know, partly because 345 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,679 like maybe you'd like to see what he looks like. 346 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: If you have a veteran X like. 347 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: Rollman or you know, movement shoot, whatever whatever it is, 348 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,840 you can get that information, I think without having like 349 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:12,679 six or seven guys that belong in like mid tier 350 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,799 teams or even like upper echelon teams rotations. 351 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: Like that's just. 352 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,799 Speaker 1: The other thing too, is I do think that rebalancing 353 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,919 the it's not really a rebalance. I still think this 354 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,159 roster needs shooting if they want to try and optimize 355 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:28,000 what Scoot does best, because I think you look at 356 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,320 so Anthony Simon's we know, good shooter, that's fine, shade 357 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:33,480 sharp pit thirty nine plus percent. I was catching shoot 358 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,200 threes last year. He only took like two a game. 359 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:37,559 And it's kind of the same thing like Jeremy Grant, 360 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:39,600 like a good shooter. Is he a great shooter and 361 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:41,399 you can probably throw them in. Okay, he counts as 362 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:43,879 a floor spacer there. But Denny Avdya he hit his 363 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:45,840 threes last year, but he's not taking a ton of them. 364 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:47,840 So unless you believe that some of these guys are 365 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:50,919 really going to be able to take on more outside volume, 366 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,360 it does feel like one of the bigger additives for 367 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,639 them will be like, if we can just get some 368 00:15:55,679 --> 00:15:57,679 more cap flock shooters in here, that's going to open 369 00:15:57,799 --> 00:15:59,320 up room for Scoot to get into the lane and 370 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,279 do what Scoot does best. In theory, that would go 371 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,320 a long way as well. And you know, that's not 372 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,720 gonna happen at the center position, just unless you're playing 373 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:09,200 duop Reef, who, by the way, I guess profiles is 374 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,240 the fourth big on this team, but he's probably like 375 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,639 better than that, especially given the stretch that he provides. 376 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:16,879 Speaker 2: And so if I had to pick one area where they. 377 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: Just need to shrink down the rotation, it's you got 378 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,720 to move. Can you figure out a way to move 379 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,759 Aighton and Robert Williams the third And I understand that 380 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,399 Robert Williams the third stock has created I think he'd 381 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:29,200 be a great flyer for a team that's like I 382 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,440 withstand the health risk. Aighton's trickier just with two years 383 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,120 left on that much money I've seen to bring it 384 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:36,919 back to the Pelicans, like some fans have tried to 385 00:16:36,919 --> 00:16:38,480 warm up to the idea of our their three team 386 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:42,320 scenarios where you move Brandon Ingram and get DeAndre Ayton back. 387 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:45,759 I don't love that fit, but it does rebalance the roster. 388 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:46,519 Speaker 2: Like we were talking about. 389 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: And just a quick note on that, I think if 390 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,440 you pulled Pelicans fans right now, a majority of them 391 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,080 would do brandon Ingram for just Walker Kessler. 392 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:55,879 Speaker 2: And John Collins straight up. 393 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,399 Speaker 1: And that's like the point at which the brandon Ingram 394 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:02,440 discourses each because his value has been so confounding. 395 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: Oh it's my turn. 396 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:06,559 Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna go with the jazz, just because if 397 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:09,519 you're gonna ensure that you're going to be bad enough, 398 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:11,480 I know. The whole theory here is, well, we're just 399 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,119 gonna play Larry Mark and all the kids, and we'll 400 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:14,680 be bad enough. 401 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,319 Speaker 2: Look how good the Western Conference is. 402 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: I think that's fair, But it's also kind of like, 403 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,160 all right, they clearly don't like Walker Kessler or they've 404 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,799 shopped him, and so that feels like low hanging fruit. 405 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:28,400 The John Collins experiment hasn't worked out all that well. 406 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,079 And if you really want to open up the runway 407 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,119 for Kyle Philipowski, Taylor Hendrix, that's the name that could 408 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,160 stand to go. And I think when you look at 409 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:39,279 sort of their playmaking rotation that Colin Sexton and Jordan 410 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:42,559 Clarkson on balance don't stand in the way of Keyante 411 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:43,119 George as. 412 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: We saw last year. 413 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,559 Speaker 1: But like, I don't think both of those guys should 414 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:48,000 be on this roster. If you want to ensure that 415 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:50,039 you're gonna be bad enough, both of them definitely shouldn't 416 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:51,680 be one of them should not be playing or at 417 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:54,440 least beyond this roster. So if they want to ensure 418 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,839 that they're not gonna stumble into another one of these 419 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,680 half season over achievements, I would say one to two 420 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:04,079 to three players needs to be. 421 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. 422 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 4: And obviously, like the you have you just renegotiated and 423 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,119 extended Laura Marketing's deal as long as he's healthy and 424 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,880 doesn't get shut down in like mid November, I don't 425 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,079 think the Jazz can be a bottom four team, Like 426 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,200 even if they do just just like sell off everybody 427 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:25,519 that isn't part of like the you know, five year 428 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:28,319 window or whatever, So that would include you know, Sexton 429 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,400 and Collins and Clarkson at the top of the list. 430 00:18:31,839 --> 00:18:34,160 This is a weird situation because normally you'd say, yeah, 431 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,000 get rid of those guys, let's get some picks. It's like, well, 432 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:40,559 Utah's got enough picks and the tank the road to like, 433 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,240 I just don't see, maybe you disagree, but you mentioned 434 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:46,039 those East teams that are gonna just come out of 435 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:48,480 the gates like going in reverse, and then you've got 436 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:50,839 Portland below Utah in the West, it's gonna be really 437 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:54,319 hard to maximize your your lottery position by getting into 438 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,960 the top or top slash bottom four. So this is 439 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,640 a confusing one. Like Utah, it does seem like Utah 440 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,079 is just kind of content to treat everybody as like 441 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,680 we will listen to offers and if it's good enough, 442 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,440 we'll take it, and if not, we'll just keep them 443 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,559 because we got all the picks we need. It just 444 00:19:09,599 --> 00:19:13,359 feels like a little bit like Portland minus the like 445 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,000 maybe this guy's a Cornerstone Scoot Henderson figure. They just 446 00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:19,920 have a lot of different players of like very different 447 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,759 like experienced levels and potential impact levels, and you know, 448 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,039 the marketing piece of it is just like kind of 449 00:19:29,079 --> 00:19:31,640 representative of like this is weird, right, Like this guy 450 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:35,000 wants to be here, but we're probably gonna lose, but 451 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:37,599 maybe we won't because he's that good. And it's it's 452 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,759 just like it feels again to go back to the 453 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:42,680 thing I mentioned, it feels like a little unfinished top 454 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:43,240 to bottom. 455 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: And the other quick point I'll make is a lot 456 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,359 of people will default to saying they're just not going 457 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,119 to play these guys as many minutes, and that's how 458 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,319 they lose. That's not it doesn't happen. It seldom happens 459 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,720 where it's the season starts, it's like, oh, Collin Sex 460 00:19:55,839 --> 00:19:57,480 is only playing fifteen minutes, like if. 461 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: He's healthy, that's not going to happen. 462 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: Like the shutdowns and the really stringent monitoring that happens 463 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:06,240 after the All Star break, and probably even like a 464 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:08,680 little bit later than that, like post trade deadline into March. 465 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:13,039 Speaker 4: Really yeah, no, something will have to happen for the 466 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,599 Jazz to either be a playoff team or be a 467 00:20:16,599 --> 00:20:17,200 bottom four. 468 00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: Would you do that trade that's been floating around out there, 469 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,079 if you're the Jazz brandon Ingram for John Collins and 470 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:22,799 Walker Kessler. 471 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,799 Speaker 4: I'm not ready to give up on Kesler just as 472 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,920 an asset and then he actually, no, if I have 473 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,200 to pay brandon Ingram two hundred million dollars, I'm definitely 474 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:32,599 not doing that. 475 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,079 Speaker 1: The theory of that might yeah, because if the theory 476 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,480 was we just want the expiring contract rather than like 477 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:39,519 the extra season of John Collins, the deal is sort 478 00:20:39,559 --> 00:20:41,799 of like, maybe you don't want to use Walker Kessler 479 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,400 just to get off money and Brent brand Ingram's good. 480 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,359 I guess if there was like a three team scenario 481 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:49,039 where okay, you're not taking on maybe you're taking back 482 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:50,720 bad money and that's how you're getting a first round 483 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,960 pick or a prospect or something. That's one of those 484 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,559 deals where it's I kind of understand it for both teams, 485 00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:57,559 But if that's the outcome to like the brandon Ingram 486 00:20:57,599 --> 00:20:59,920 slash Walker Kesler, John Collins, the backle I don't love 487 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:00,880 for either Peo. 488 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,759 Speaker 4: Well, and like, are you doing that to free up 489 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,960 a bunch of cap space to spend in free agency 490 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,839 as the Utah Jazz, Like that's I got to question 491 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,079 the premise. 492 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,599 Speaker 1: Of that of that And but at that point though, 493 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,519 you would have brandon Ingram, Lowry market In Colin Sexton 494 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:17,200 some of these maybe can't they George Pops, maybe Teller 495 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,799 Hendricks Pops, Like do you just look at us like, well. 496 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: They're not trying that. You're even more confusing because. 497 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: It's right, you're clearly not a bottom four team, but 498 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,960 you're you're also not a top ten team. 499 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:29,799 Speaker 3: Probably yeah, you're like the Jazz are in a. 500 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 4: Great position, Like we love all their draft actuality, we 501 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,400 like their young players. Marketing in I think is just 502 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,839 worth what he got. But it's like they're also kind 503 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:39,759 of quietly in the middle. All those picks make it 504 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:40,680 a little different, but. 505 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 3: They are kind of it's like they're their upward. 506 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,839 Speaker 4: And downward mobility is pretty limited. I would say, all right, 507 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,240 my turn, I'm not going to pick this team because 508 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,559 I want you to take them. I'm going to take 509 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:53,559 the Chicago Bulls. This is a fairly obvious one. They 510 00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:56,839 need to trade Zach lavine I from their perspective, I 511 00:21:56,839 --> 00:21:59,079 would not counsel doing that. While you potentially have to 512 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:01,839 give up assets to move him, I think if he 513 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,839 is reasonably healthy and actually plays like uninterrupted to start, 514 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,000 you know, the first few weeks of the season. 515 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: That his value has got to go up. 516 00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:11,759 Speaker 4: I just I don't think three years in one thirty 517 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:13,960 eight is like, oh my god, we can't have that 518 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:14,640 on the books. 519 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,839 Speaker 3: So move him. But maybe not like right now, when 520 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,799 he's never gonna be less valuable. 521 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 4: Vucevich doesn't make sense on this team. He could even 522 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,680 make the case that, like we've said this previously, Kobe 523 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,599 White and I would assume we were on phenomenal deals. 524 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:32,640 But it's kind of like I can't extend them. They're 525 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,400 not going to help you tank, they're not going to 526 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,920 help you make the playoffs, so like what's happening not 527 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,880 saying you should trade them. And then there's the Giddy piece, 528 00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:41,799 which is so is he a cornerstone? 529 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: Now? 530 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: Is that what we're interesting? 531 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry aside, you watch Kobe White last year and 532 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,519 like your idea is like, well, let's get someone who 533 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,920 ensures he's gonna have the ball. 534 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:54,039 Speaker 3: Less, right, let's take it out of his hands. What's 535 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:54,960 the what's the point? 536 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so I guess he did play with 537 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,079 Damar to Rosen, but like that was also Zachlvine wasn't 538 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:03,880 really in the lineup for much of last year. So 539 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,079 now you probably argue because you're not gonna help his 540 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,279 trade value by not playing zachben. 541 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 4: Well, I mean just DeRozan, Like DeRozan has to command 542 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,279 like maximum defensive attention. That's gonna help Kobe White a 543 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:17,440 little bit. Josh Giddy is kind of like ignored a 544 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,839 lot of the time and is not obviously not as 545 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:22,240 threatening on the ball, even though he has to have 546 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,359 the ball to have a lot of value. It's just 547 00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:27,319 I think the Bulls are kind of they're they're taking 548 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,160 baby steps towards the teardown we've advocated for forever, but 549 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,720 it's it's not I mean, there's a long way to 550 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:35,920 go here with some of these like big contract vets 551 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:36,759 that are still around. 552 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,599 Speaker 1: Would you if it was just if you could just 553 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,359 get shorter contracts back? But the Lakers trade we kind 554 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,039 of outlined where it's like okay, like they're giving you 555 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,000 ruey and they'll throwing delos expiring and they'll get the 556 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,599 get gay Vincent's in there, he's expiring. Are you making 557 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,319 that type of trade for Zaqualeene at this point if 558 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,319 your Chicago. 559 00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: If I don't have to give up a pick to 560 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,640 get off of that. 561 00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: Contract, I think that kind of your standard. 562 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I I think so, because one I think 563 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,880 if zach Lavine like plays pretty well, he might keep 564 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,880 you like in the thirties win range. Right, you're not 565 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,119 getting to the fifties obviously, or even the mid forties, 566 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,240 but just to clean things up, it's so much easier 567 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,640 to trade those smaller deals if you need to. And 568 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,440 just like obviously zach Lavine doesn't want to be there, 569 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,039 like that's been a parent for a long time. The 570 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,079 Bulls don't want him there. So if we're gonna let's 571 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:27,519 do a vibe cleanup too in the meantime by trading 572 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,680 him for guys that are have smaller deals. 573 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: I still one of my sort of just I don't 574 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,000 know what the package would look like. I don't even 575 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,920 know if I would advocate for them doing it. I'd 576 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,799 be so curious to see what Zack Lavine could look 577 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,279 like in Toronto. Is like one of those teams where 578 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:44,160 it's if you had him in quickly in Barns and 579 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,559 like that's your basis as of everyone else is just 580 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,440 to me, I would view them as fungible. 581 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 2: I would watch the hell out of that team. 582 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be a fun team. 583 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 4: And again, Toronto's kind of in the middle too, and 584 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,799 Levine might be it might get you in the playoffs. 585 00:24:57,839 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: I don't know, like it's possible. 586 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: Would you move? 587 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,039 Speaker 1: I think this is more of a question for Kobe White, 588 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:04,839 because I would assume we'll get you something, but he's 589 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:08,440 not just like this can't miss type of player. If 590 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,200 Kobe White is the most improved player candidate that he 591 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:12,720 was last season, and he does have a ton off 592 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:15,039 ball value as a ton of momball value, doesn't it 593 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,279 make sense if the Bulls actually are concerned about the 594 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:20,079 big picture to move him when his values at his peak, 595 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,759 because it's sort of a similar situation that Washington was 596 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:27,680 in with Denny Avdya, except the salaries even lower. He's 597 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,160 not extending off of this number, and so I know 598 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,000 he's maybe we're getting too far ahead of the game, 599 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,480 but you're gonna have to pay Josh Giddy. So now, 600 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,240 if you're going to funnel just a bunch of your 601 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,559 money in two years time to Josh Giddy and Kobe White, 602 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,039 that's just like kind of an uninspiring spot to be 603 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,000 as a team that I'm assuming will be like rebuilding 604 00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:48,000 at that point, or maybe they don't fancy themselves that 605 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,240 he's the player where I don't think they have to 606 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:52,359 move him, But I also don't think his value is 607 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,480 gonna be any higher than it is now externally, and 608 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:58,079 I don't think that his internal value is enough when 609 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,480 looking at how cheap his deal. 610 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 2: Is to say, well, we can't move him. He's our 611 00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:02,319 entire future. 612 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 4: Well, and I think too, like as more and more 613 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,039 teams find themselves second Apron and it's like, oh my god, 614 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,279 we need somebody that makes a difference, But we can't 615 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,960 give up two or three salaries to get him. But 616 00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:15,400 I don't know what team I'm talking about because most 617 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,079 of them also don't have picks anymore to trade. But like, 618 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,240 Kobe White is someone that a team could look at 619 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,319 that like is pretty inflexible and say like, well, we 620 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,680 got this one bad contract and like two firsts, we'll 621 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,680 take Kobe White for that because we're in win now 622 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,279 mode and yeah, we and maybe like maybe it's I 623 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:34,319 don't know, more palatable for a team like that to 624 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,680 try to extend him off that number. If it's I 625 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,039 don't know, I just think I think you're right ultimately 626 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,279 that Kobe White is someone that is underpaid and but 627 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,480 also may not be good enough to be a cornerstone. 628 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:47,119 And the Bulls can't keep him anyway, so like you 629 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,519 might want to it's counterintuitive, but you might want to 630 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:51,119 look at moving him while you can't. 631 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: I wonder if because and it's it's funny that we 632 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,079 have to look at it this way. Now he's on 633 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,400 such a good contract that it hurts his future value 634 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,720 because team are like, well, he has two seasons left, 635 00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,079 which is great, but like, are we going to have 636 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,000 him beyond that? But a team like Orlando would they 637 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,599 give up a first and Anthony Black or if it's 638 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:12,640 Tristan to Silva like one of their young guys salary 639 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,920 and at a pick for Kobe White. I love that 640 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,039 fit immediately, But as Orlando, you're kind of getting into Okay, well, 641 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:22,000 we already matched out. 642 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: Franz Palo is not going to be. 643 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,519 Speaker 1: Too far behind, and then we're gonna have to pay 644 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,720 Jaohen Suggs something. Kobe White is valuable in the sense of, oh, 645 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:32,319 two more years of cost control. 646 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: What happens after that? 647 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: I think I'm still making the move because two years 648 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,880 is kind of a long time, and it's just you 649 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,359 deal with that. 650 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,799 Speaker 2: You cross that bridge when you need to get there. 651 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,759 Speaker 1: But I do think teams will because it is semi close, 652 00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:45,680 and especially by the way, that would be the value 653 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,480 in moving him now, is that teams will if they 654 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,400 move him at the deadline or something, or any of 655 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,480 these players, assuming they're viewed as assets. It's like that's 656 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:54,960 just less time on their deals with Kobe White specifically, 657 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,799 that's gonna make him less valuable. 658 00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 4: Kobe White to Orlando is the trade I did not 659 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,799 know I needed now and now I'm I'm on one 660 00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:03,279 hundred percent on board with making that. 661 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,319 Speaker 1: Lando doesn't like taking swings apparently based off of it. 662 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,519 Speaker 4: But again, if it's Orlando and they're giving up a 663 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,559 first it's like, all right, well, that's gonna be the twenty. 664 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,559 Speaker 2: Second pick Denvers pick this year. 665 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that'll be too spy, by the way, 666 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:17,079 I don't. I think we've I mentioned this in the 667 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,599 Orlando Magic look Ahead, but they part of their offseason 668 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:23,480 grade needs to factor in that they poached one of 669 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:25,720 the five most important players of the team whose draft 670 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,000 pick they own this year. 671 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,559 Speaker 2: That's just that's next level right there. 672 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,559 Speaker 3: You love to see it. 673 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: So before I pick one. 674 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,759 Speaker 1: Do you have any these this team needs to be 675 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,319 on this list? Because I think I have two more 676 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,680 teams that I'm kind of just like up in the 677 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,480 air with. 678 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,559 Speaker 4: Well, I have two more teams on my list, and 679 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,920 I don't feel I'm ready to almost like, well, I 680 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,640 think you know the one I'm talking about where. 681 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: It's like, let's just play it cool and see what happens. 682 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,799 Everything's fine, all right, So. 683 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Sacramento kid, the Golden State Warriors. 684 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,720 That's the one I go back and forth on because 685 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,720 they have a lot of depth, and they've made other 686 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,119 moves already. It's not like this rotation is barren, but 687 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,359 they've also been at least a little and I would 688 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:12,359 say way more than that, intrigued by making some type 689 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,799 of bigger swing. They were linked to Paul George, they 690 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,119 were linked to Larry market In. You could play Devil's 691 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:18,960 advocate and say, well, based off what they were willing 692 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480 to give up for Larry Marketing, they're not actually serious 693 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,200 about making these big time upgrades, which is fine, But 694 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,039 I look at this team and I say, there are 695 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,359 so many things that they clearly still need even though 696 00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,640 they're deep. And you have Steph Curry going to his 697 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,319 age thirty six season, you have Raymond Green I think 698 00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:35,880 this is going to be his age thirty four season. 699 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:40,000 Or they're like what are you doing here? Like are 700 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,039 you just trusting that? And I think this is why 701 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,599 I'm not sure. If you're saying, well, those two plus 702 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,039 Kamingo plus pods plus our depth, like that'll allow us 703 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:50,000 to make some noise and there's no one out there, 704 00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:51,960 there's no move we can make that would elevate us 705 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,519 to title contender status. I do think Paul George would 706 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,839 have brought them there temporarily. I don't I love the 707 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,079 Larry market in fit. I don't think he would have 708 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:03,559 quite nudged them up to that level. And so I 709 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,559 might almost default towards what it looks like you're going 710 00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:08,519 to land on, and it's we kind of have to 711 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,640 let this play out because they have a bunch of goodies. 712 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,039 They could move, but what is the like the move 713 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,039 they need to make almost needs to be so massive 714 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:16,480 that I can't envision it. 715 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've I've really like vacillated on on where 716 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,680 I think because we've done an over, we've done a 717 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,880 better or worse pot where I thought the Warriors would 718 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,960 win more than they did last year. But now I'm 719 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,519 working on something else where It's like I kind of 720 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:31,960 think they're going to be a lottery team just because 721 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,880 the wet You know, they might make the play in 722 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,279 but I don't know that's a coin flip, just because 723 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,319 as they're presently constructed, if you believe them to be 724 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,680 more than a seven, eight, nine ten seed in the West, 725 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,480 you're saying, put pajem Ski and coming are going to 726 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:51,240 get significantly better, like to the point where it's less 727 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,240 of a press and concern that they just don't have 728 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,279 anybody to give them a shot on nights that Curry 729 00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,440 doesn't play or gets so much defensive attention or just 730 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,880 at his age is off, like he's gonna have more 731 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,680 off nights the older he gets. That is, the highlights 732 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,279 will still be there, they'll just be more bad nights. 733 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,359 That's that's how aging works. So like if it's if 734 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,160 a status quo, then okay, cool. You need massive growth 735 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,799 like today from a lot of guys, and you need 736 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:19,200 a lot of these depth pieces to hit and someone 737 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,000 like d' anthony Melton to like exceed what you think 738 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,079 you're gonna get from him, which is possible. But again 739 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:28,000 I'm with you in that, like what's the move? Like 740 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:30,720 what it seems you know, they have a decent amount 741 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,640 of draft assets, they have the young guys to do. 742 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,960 Like it's not a it's not like an asset problem. 743 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,319 It's just like a what do we throw all that 744 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,000 stuff at and at the moment that guy's not out 745 00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:44,240 there the does it give you any solace that when 746 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,039 kaminga Pods, Green and Curry played together without Thompson or 747 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,240 CP three last year, the Warriors were plus fourteen point 748 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,480 four points per one hundred possessions. I guarantee you obviously 749 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,599 that that and much more in depth numbers are well 750 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,640 known within the organization. And it's just like, okay, like 751 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,559 this is a viable strategy based on some data that 752 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,839 this might actually work. 753 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,839 Speaker 3: It might be good enough. 754 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,839 Speaker 4: But you can't be you can't look at that and 755 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,519 say like, oh, perfect, Like there's definitely no need for 756 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,599 an upgrade here, Like it's possible, but I don't know. 757 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,640 It's just that's you need a lot to break right 758 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,039 for the current team to be better than last year. 759 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,759 Speaker 1: And I also think like they can't even go well 760 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,880 at least with this specific player. Now, I think you 761 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,720 could talk I bet you you're gonna say no, you 762 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:28,599 could probably talk me into if it's just contracts, and 763 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,200 those contracts are Wiggins Looney. 764 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: So that's about seventeen million right there. Actually just gets 765 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,079 them there. 766 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: So Wiggins Looney and Gary Payton get you, Zach Levine, 767 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:42,839 do you do it? 768 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,519 Speaker 2: Just as I don't know what that does to your defense? 769 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: But like it's a bet on Kaminga, it's a bet 770 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960 on Draymond, it's a bet on Okay, we have Danthony Melton. 771 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:54,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think. 772 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:56,039 Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm gonna make the argument that the 773 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,680 Lakers should do that for guys who's caught like I 774 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,079 don't know or any of the guys we mentioned for 775 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,240 the Lakers, like certainly not Reeves. We tried to keep 776 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,519 him out, but like your Vanderbilts and Vincent's and Rui's, Like, 777 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,880 are those guys contracts viewed as worse than Wiggins? Like, 778 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,720 couldn't you make the case that, like, the Warriors should 779 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,799 actually want to get off that Wiggins money, even though 780 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,680 it's not huge, it's just you never know what you're 781 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,279 gonna get from that guy. I think, if I'm going 782 00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,960 to be consistent, the Warriors probably should do that. But 783 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:26,039 then the question is, like, was that was that enough? 784 00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,119 I guess if you still got your draft assets to 785 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,240 try it later, I'm. 786 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:30,279 Speaker 2: Saying you don't give up Pod. 787 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe it even takes Moody because they clearly 788 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,559 hate him for some reason. I don't know what he did, 789 00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:38,680 but I I probably would at right now, and I 790 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,759 don't think Chicago would do it. 791 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: I would probably just draw the line at it. 792 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: But if you told me they had to give up Moody, 793 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,720 I'd probably you could tell me into it. But if 794 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,079 it's just the contracts, I'm doing it. 795 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you probably should. 796 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:51,799 Speaker 2: And by the way, the worst thing that happens is 797 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:52,759 you're just way worse. 798 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:54,799 Speaker 1: Than expected and your own draft picks are more valuable 799 00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:55,880 than like there there you go. 800 00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:58,559 Speaker 4: Well, and like, if Lavigne has a remotely healthy season, 801 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,519 you're gonna be able. And he's then he has two 802 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,480 years left on his dealer, You're gonna find somebody to 803 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,920 take him and probably give you back, Like you're not 804 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,240 gonna give up more stuff to get off that contract. 805 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that's Like I guess as a passer, 806 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:11,840 he only does the basic stuff, and I feel like 807 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,239 a last's roar with him a lot of time. But 808 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,760 like that's someone who I go back and forth because 809 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,400 it's like part of the appeal Steph Curry is having 810 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,039 him off the ball while someone else has it, and 811 00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:23,920 so does Zach Levine really fit that motif? But like 812 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,599 you guy have Zack Lavine and Curry off the ball 813 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:27,760 while Draymond's on the ball, that'd be fun. 814 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 4: Levine's not gonna do any more damage on either end 815 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,840 than Thompson did last year, and Thompson played a ton like, 816 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,960 I mean, that's just. 817 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,119 Speaker 3: Where we are at this point. 818 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a weird situation because you in to 819 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,400 a greater degree than some of the other teams we've 820 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,760 talked about. There is like a pretty decent argument for 821 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,159 like just yeah, it feels like there's a move to make, 822 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,239 but like kind of hold off a little bit, even 823 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,360 though the curry of it all and like this thing 824 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,159 could end tomorrow, you owe it to him. 825 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,559 Speaker 3: Stuff is like, you know, obviously really persuasive. 826 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,039 Speaker 1: The last team I have is that I'm just not 827 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,840 sure and it's mostly because I don't really know what 828 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,280 they're doing, is the Atlanta Hawks, And so like you 829 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,639 look at like the top of their rotation, So you 830 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,400 have Trey Young, Boda Mardanovitch, Zachary Resi, che Jalen Johnson, 831 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,079 Clint Capella on Yakka Kungu, Larry Nance Junior, DeAndre Hunter, 832 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,880 Dyson Daniels. That's nine real guys. And depending on how 833 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,519 you feel about vit Crachi and his defense or Gareth 834 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,280 Garrison Matthews and his shooting. They also have Kobe Buffkin here. 835 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,719 So there's just a lot of dudes. But you look 836 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,760 at it and it's Okay, how good are all these 837 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,440 dudes together? And so it's compounded by, well, you have 838 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:41,639 Zachary resis Chet, who's going to be a rookie and 839 00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,440 he should play a bunch. And then it's like Jalen 840 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,320 Johnson and on Yakak like those guys aren't finished products 841 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,760 themselves either, But you also have Trey Young and then 842 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,920 it's we don't control our next three draft picks, and 843 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,400 so it feels like they should be more and we 844 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:00,440 just moved to Jane Murray for a future focused packing though, 845 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:04,440 because Dyson Daniels, that's another guy who is a developmental project. 846 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,519 I don't I don't understand what they're doing, but I 847 00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,239 also don't know what else they're supposed to. Like, if 848 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,880 you told me they then turn around and move those 849 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,679 two first round picks, they got to get a wing, 850 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:15,840 I'd have to ask, Okay, well who is the wing? 851 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,400 This feels like when I say they need to do something, 852 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,159 I almost kind of just wonder, like just go out 853 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,199 and trade for Dorian and Finney Smith already, or go 854 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,079 out and get Cam Johnson. Like it just feels like 855 00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:28,840 they need someone who comes closer to being a two 856 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,599 way wing and established two way wing on this team, 857 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:33,239 we don't know. Zachary reached to say he's gonna fit 858 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,159 that bill out of the gate. Dyson Daniels good passer, 859 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,360 some nice feel in the lane, but he's not two 860 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,719 way yet. But the offense isn't all the way there. 861 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,880 And there's questions with the jump shot we saw some 862 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:44,920 maybe the floater falls at a higher clip. 863 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 2: Do they belong to this discussion? 864 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 4: Like I know they do, because you could see like 865 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,360 you were saying, you can draw up scenarios. We're like, okay, 866 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,719 this is a consolidation trade team. They need a package 867 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,079 up two or three of these guys and turn it 868 00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:58,159 into you know, a difference maker, or it could be 869 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,440 like this is a strip it down team. 870 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 3: We got to move Propella. 871 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,159 Speaker 4: We've been trying to, you know, with DeAndre Hunter even 872 00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:05,119 a Kong Wove since apparently he's just not going to 873 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,880 start despite getting that extension. And then like the real 874 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:12,320 over art, like the big like move is and now 875 00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:14,760 not having control of your draft picks is a huge issue. 876 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,840 You'd have to get back enough to justify this, and 877 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,480 you already have reesa Shae, but there's like this is 878 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,280 a thirty six. 879 00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 3: Win team last year. 880 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,519 Speaker 4: If they come out and go like two and eleven 881 00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,519 or something, the Trey Young talk is gonna start again, 882 00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,159 because like, what are you doing with this guy making 883 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,400 this much on a team that's gonna win in the 884 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,119 thirties again? 885 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: Like so you could you could draw up like this. 886 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,159 Speaker 4: Needs to be blown up in this way, this way, 887 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,280 this way, and this way, and it's unclear which way 888 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,320 is the best one. I really do think for them 889 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,360 more than a lot of these other teams, the early 890 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,199 part of the season is going to be really informative 891 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,159 because depending on how it goes, how the mix looks, 892 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,599 how Reesa Sa looks like, if Reesi Sha comes out 893 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,000 and defies expectations and looks like someone that's like, oh 894 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,440 my god, he actually is someone to build around and 895 00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:59,559 not just the dude who was there in the draft 896 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,000 we happen to win the lottery for then you've got 897 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,239 all this cover to Really it's like, oh, we got 898 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,280 our piece. Who cares if we don't have our future picks. 899 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,159 We can rebuild around him and Jalen Johnson a. 900 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:10,119 Speaker 3: Lot of ways to go. 901 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 4: This current roster is like, there's no way the Hawks finish, 902 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:18,760 get to the trade deadline pass it and look like 903 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,480 this like I do. However, whatever shape it takes, there's 904 00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:21,920 no way. 905 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,039 Speaker 1: There's also just I think what I don't know if 906 00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:26,760 it hurts them of it depends on what they're doing. 907 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,920 But we mentioned okay, the tray young noise might start again, 908 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,679 but what is the benefits moving and when you. 909 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:32,639 Speaker 2: Don't control your own draft picks. 910 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,679 Speaker 1: And also then the optics of what if he just 911 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,280 as an example, because it's so fresh, what if he 912 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,840 just gets you actively less than the nets gotten for 913 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,639 Michael Bridges. 914 00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 3: I mean he probably would. 915 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's five first round picks in a swap 916 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,760 that they got, so but how does that you would 917 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,320 have to believe that. It feels like if they're gonna 918 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,880 move Young, it'll be in service of Okay, we're still 919 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,000 like trying to we're not rebuilding, we're retooling. We think 920 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,599 that maybe we're better long term, but like we're good 921 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:00,440 enough in the short term that we're not hunting on 922 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,960 these rep and san Antonio sitting there laughing because they 923 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,639 own our control our first rounders. I will say, this 924 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,000 does feel like a team if they can figure it 925 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,239 out financially, because they're not going to be attacks like 926 00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:14,719 if Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard is just available and like 927 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,880 their value has reached the madea of the point where 928 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,719 like you don't need a ton of this future, Like 929 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,239 you're not giving up Resa Schet of course, like that's 930 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,719 just a non starter, but like kind of other and 931 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,119 you're not giving up Jalen Johnson, who might sign an extension, 932 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,559 but like you're kind of just everything else is sort 933 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:29,159 of fungible. 934 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: This might be. This could be the team where I'm like. 935 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: I could just see them rolling the dice here because 936 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,440 what is the you know, I don't know what Jimmy 937 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,559 Butler's personality would be like next to Trey Young that 938 00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:39,760 I'd tune in, I'll tell you that much. 939 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:42,519 Speaker 3: I'm very curious. That would be exciting. 940 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I think, like I said, like, 941 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,840 I think that's a plausible outcome. 942 00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 3: Uh. 943 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 4: And as is just like we're gonna we got enough 944 00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,360 young pieces, we'll get some pick, we'll get control of 945 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,840 somebody else's draft, and we'll just rely, we'll just kind 946 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,440 of start this over because the Trey Young thing is 947 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,480 winning us thirty something games, and that's not good enough. Well, 948 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,039 we'd like to take option number two. You know it 949 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:07,159 might get to that point too. 950 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,119 Speaker 3: So yeah, the. 951 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 4: Hawks are the Hawks are just in a weird limbo 952 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,320 where I don't know which direction they need to move, 953 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,079 but they got they need to move one where, and well. 954 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,639 Speaker 1: They kind of like it's been determined for them a 955 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:20,800 little bit because of the whole draft pick thing. And 956 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,159 so the longer you don't make a move, I would say, 957 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,960 the stronger the duality will be. 958 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 2: Where it's once you get. 959 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: To the middle of the seasons, it become even harder 960 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,480 to make the choice because, oh, it's clearer than ever 961 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:31,800 that we. 962 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 2: Shouldn't reinvest in this team. 963 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: But right with the argument for divesting at this point 964 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,719 when we don't own our draft picks, is there any 965 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,880 other team that, like, I'm comfortable with every other team 966 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,719 standing path, The one I would advocate for would be 967 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,760 the Magic, just like, let's get another kind of off 968 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,519 the dribble shot maker force baser in there. But need 969 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,119 is a strong word because we just did our regrades 970 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,840 for them, and it's they decided to bet on themselves 971 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,280 last summer on an internal development and they ended up 972 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,880 the offense was slow, but they ended up being good 973 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,280 at to win a bunch of more games. Maybe it's 974 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,480 the same scenario this year after adding Kabo is called 975 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:06,400 a pope, But there's just a team where it's like 976 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,639 if players like a brogged in or a sex in 977 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,360 or a like they're sitting on the market like Kobe 978 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,440 White and it's Kobe White's different, that would probably be 979 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,400 a real but Anthony Simon's that it's it's really costing us, 980 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,519 like one of our young players and a you know, 981 00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,360 pick I'm looking at it, Ihim Orlando. 982 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,039 Speaker 4: I think I am too, But I am more and 983 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:29,639 more persuaded by their apparent wisdom in just saying we 984 00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:30,480 we you know. 985 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 3: We thought we'd get better. 986 00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:33,679 Speaker 4: We thought we believed in Jalen Suggs and Paolo and 987 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,559 like by the way, Franz bognern did not get better 988 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,440 and they still improved as a team, like he could 989 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:41,559 have a rebound year. I you know, we love to 990 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:43,760 see all the change and the rebuilds and the teardowns 991 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,360 and the go for our trades and like the magic 992 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,920 are kind of just like tiptoeing along and it's kind 993 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,519 of working so far, and maybe they still will have 994 00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:52,400 the assets to just go take the big swing when 995 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,639 the time's right and we're just being impatient about it. 996 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,199 Speaker 3: I don't know. 997 00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, they they do feel like obviously they have 998 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,880 a need, right they did not at the floor general 999 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,559 type that we kind of wanted him to in the 1000 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:03,599 back court. 1001 00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:06,079 Speaker 3: But I don't know, maybe maybe Jalen Suggs just starts 1002 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:06,760 doing that. 1003 00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 4: Like who knows there's and maybe you get so much 1004 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,760 playmaking from Paolo and Franz that it doesn't matter. Yeah 1005 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,440 that I don't really have any other teams we could 1006 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,280 talk about Miami, but that's more just like we have 1007 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,079 a rough idea of what the heater gonna be and 1008 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,280 they're only built to make like a huge swing, and 1009 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,840 like that guy's not out there to justify that they. 1010 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 1: Would be they might getting to the money would be 1011 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,000 tough now that I'm thinking about it, and also the yeah, 1012 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:31,679 but like they'd be a Kawhi Leonard team if he 1013 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,199 just becomes a veil, Like would they take the swing? 1014 00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,519 Speaker 3: Then? Does he move as far from the southern California. 1015 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:40,159 Speaker 2: And if he retired, he'd be the only person gets 1016 00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:42,159 traded to Miami. He needs No, I'm retiring. I don't 1017 00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:42,800 want to be in Miami. 1018 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,760 Speaker 3: A great place to retire by the way that a 1019 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,639 lot of people do that. 1020 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: So you know, I guess they just kind of need 1021 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,360 to see, like how much better does him may Hawk 1022 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,239 as get what does Khalil wear end up helping us 1023 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,199 out a bunch? His hero and Butler able to stay 1024 00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,679 healthier because there's still the bones of a good team. 1025 00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:00,480 But there I have them closer to the hall than 1026 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:01,880 I do like a team that. 1027 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm like in Orlando. 1028 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: If you're asking me about the trajectories, I'm I'm more 1029 00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,400 confused and down on Miami than I'm like, Oh this 1030 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,320 this uncertainty's really optionality, which is what the Magic have. 1031 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:13,079 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, very very different. 1032 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 4: But then we'll just check back on this in a 1033 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,320 few months and the Heat will have like beaten the 1034 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,719 number one seed in the first round or something like that. 1035 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,119 Speaker 1: You did mention one other team, the Nets. Do you 1036 00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,159 think that they need to like there's the Cam Johnson 1037 00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:27,639 and Doryan Finney Smith of it all. I guess if 1038 00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:30,000 you want to consider, if we're not going to extend 1039 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,239 Cam Thomas to we view him as a core player. 1040 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,840 I think Nick Claxton probably becomes like the apple of 1041 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,320 someone's affections when his trade restriction lifts, but that's a. 1042 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 2: Non starter right now. 1043 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,280 Speaker 1: I do personally think it's I think having the conversation 1044 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,400 is fine. If the right Cam Johnson or DFS deal 1045 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,960 comes along, I doubt my guess would be I doubt 1046 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,320 Dorrian and Finny Smith improves his trade value. Maybe there's 1047 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,440 a chance Cam Johnson does, but I think you risk 1048 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,599 the floor of their value coming out from underneath them, 1049 00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:58,719 just because you still don't have any real aside from 1050 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,320 Dennis Shrewder table setters on this team. But in a vacuum, 1051 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,599 you could do nothing. And I think that you're like, 1052 00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:06,440 you're gonna be bad. 1053 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 3: I think that's right. 1054 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 4: And I think too that when it comes to Phinney 1055 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,199 Smith or Cam Johnson, you're right, their value is not 1056 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,280 going to change. But and this is why waiting doesn't 1057 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,159 really matter, because one who cares. You're not trying to 1058 00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:21,880 win games this year. You've got control of your picks 1059 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,199 back for the next two first rounds. 1060 00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 3: But maybe the. 1061 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,079 Speaker 4: Market conditions change around the deadline where several teams need 1062 00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,719 a Dorian Phinney Smith and suddenly the guy that you 1063 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,760 probably couldn't get a first four desperation and like competing 1064 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,639 bar competing bids get you what you want for him, 1065 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,400 So like, yeah, he doesn't make sense on this team, 1066 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,440 and Cam Johnson kind of doesn't really either, But there's 1067 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,920 not like the level of urgency like they could go 1068 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,840 all the way through. 1069 00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:48,039 Speaker 3: And even in the next offseason. 1070 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,039 Speaker 4: I guess if you wanted to just you, I think 1071 00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,119 you just kind of wait and see who gets kind 1072 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:56,840 of reckless in their bidding for those guys, because keeping 1073 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,400 them on the roster doesn't really matter for Brooklyn. 1074 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 2: With you, I'm out of teams, me too, take us 1075 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:03,719 out of here. 1076 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,519 Speaker 4: Sure, I'm out of teams. I'll take us out. Thanks 1077 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:08,480 everybody for checking in. Let us know if we like 1078 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:11,039 over we probably overlooked a team or at least give 1079 00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:11,360 us some. 1080 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Boston like they probably need to trade one to jail. 1081 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, Dan, I just don't know. So yeah, 1082 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:18,840 let us know. 1083 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening, for watching, Make sure your rate review, subscribe, 1084 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,400 do all the things to help the podcast grow. Word 1085 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,280 of mouth helps, tell your friends, tell your enemies. Check 1086 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,639 out our merch Dan is supporting it now links to 1087 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,159 get that or into YouTube and podcast description, as is 1088 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,159 how to get to our discord channel. 1089 00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 3: I think that's going to cover it, shouts Frank apologies. 1090 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:36,480 Jarrett