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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Martin Willashire, host and as you see from my

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back ground some of you have been watching for a while.

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I'm back in South Carolina for a few weeks and

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we'll be back going back to uh up to Portsmouth

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in Hampshire, the home of Betty and Barney Hill area,

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and around Thanksgiving time through Christmas and back down here

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again for the cooler weather.

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Speaker 1: Very lucky to be able to do that.

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Speaker 2: Also, just to let people know, I'm going to be

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attempting to go to the hearing right now, it's kind

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of up in the air. There's been some dates thrown around.

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What I'm talking about is another UAP here in Washington.

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Speaker 3: D C.

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Speaker 2: And that looks like it might be around November thirteenth.

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I'm in touch with a lot of different people. We

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don't exactly, you know, have a date. I also think

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that they're still working on witnesses and that may you know,

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change what they're going to do or when they're going

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to do it. So anyway, stay tuned for that. I'm

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going to do a show live from there. The thirteenth

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is a Wednesday, so at twelfth I've been doing the

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show same as they did last year. Unfortunately Chris Lido

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won't be there this year if he's on some type

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of tour with Ross Coltheart at that time and some

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other people. So our blog this week, it's called a

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UFO up. That was last week's hold on everyone, Hold on?

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Speaker 1: Where is it? Here? It is right here.

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Speaker 2: It's a humanoid and craft report from Alberta, Canada and

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another nineteen seventy three encounter. So check that out again,

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you know by Charles Lear. He always does a great

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job on our blogs and audio blogs and they do

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go out on our stream. We have our merch I'm

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going to have some more more another design I have

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that's I like, actually better. That's going to be going

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up on our website for merchandise coming up pretty soon.

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The guests tonight Jim Harold. I've heard his name since

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I started, and he's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Has been doing this.

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Speaker 2: A long, long, long long time, and he's been talking

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UFOs and ghosts and all kinds of things. And right

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now he's been doing what's called the Campfire Podcast. I

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believe he's going to correct me on that, but basically

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he's talking to first hand witnesses who have had hauntings

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and things like that. So anyway, before that, I have

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my good buddy Mark did Antonio.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, Mark, Hey Martin, how are you feeling, man, how's

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it going.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, doing good, Mark, So you have you have.

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I've been watching your stream. I've been watching that comet,

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which is yeah, absolute yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now the comment is called susan chan Atlas and right

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now it's just over just over half of an astronomical

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union away from our planet. So we're looking at about

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ninety eight million kilometers or so, and it's actually moving,

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believe it or not, one hundred and fifty thousand miles

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an hour on average away from us. Now, you think

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something moving that fast would just disappear in no time.

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Speaker 1: Right, you can see it move, right, you can see

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it move.

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Speaker 4: We actually saw it move two days ago when we

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had the stream up goes. It'll be around for a

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few more weeks. We're looking at it with our Arizona

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telescope and everybody was treated to see the comet in

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one position. And then when I show them something else,

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like I show them my website, you know, the sky

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through live dot org site. Then we come back the

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comments actually moved and the stars are shifting because the

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common is moving through the field of view, and you

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can actually see all that because they're moving so fast.

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Yet you say, well, shouldn't it zoom through the sky. Well,

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the comet's got a tail that's millions of miles long,

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So you know, we're talking about a comet that's wow.

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it still takes some time to move. Now, let me

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ask you this, dynamic.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this when something is moving like that,

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but everything is moving really really fast, So it's moving

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actually that speed within everything that's moving.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's moving relative to our solar system

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and our Earth and our Sun and all the other planets, and.

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Speaker 1: How fast we're all moving.

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Speaker 4: We're all moving together through the galaxy. Is circulating, orbiting

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the galaxy. We've actually as the Sun has gone around

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the galaxy about twenty times since we re formed four

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points a billion years ago. All right, it takes like

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two hundred and thirty years so million years to go

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around the galaxy once. And as the comment is moving,

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it's moving within our solar system, so it's been going

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around with us as well. But it's coming down and

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the Sun catches it with its gravity and it's whipping

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around the Sun, and now it's heading on its way

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back out. It won't be back for eighty thousand years.

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Speaker 1: That's all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's all.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll be around, we'll set a plate for it,

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you know, wait, we'll wait.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so cool, that whole, that whole.

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Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated by this. Like the Earth is spinning

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at is it like nine hundred miles an hour.

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Speaker 4: Or about a thousand miles an hour at the equator?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't feel a thing. Yeah right, Oh

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that's the.

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Speaker 4: And then that that was there was a famous money

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python thing. Oh yes, Eric idolsing.

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Speaker 2: Just remember that it's got nine hundred miles an hour.

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Speaker 1: It opens forty miles a second. Yeah yeah, sort's reckoned.

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Speaker 5: Yeeah, yeah, I love that. That was fun funny.

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Speaker 4: I got to speak at Accomplience in Dembrey, Connecticut, and

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the curator at dan Bray Library is a good friend

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of Eric Idols.

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Speaker 1: Oh really yeah wow, So I.

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Speaker 4: Said I'll do the talk if Eric's.

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Speaker 5: Going to be there, you know, yeah, yeah, fun guys.

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Speaker 4: But tonight, if people are available at nine thirty tonight

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Eastern time on our channel which is at YouTube, and

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it's Skytour one word live stream one word or just

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look up my name, Mark D'Antonio right there. You can

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see it right there. Okay, uh. Skyter live stream is

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written out there too. You can look that up on YouTube.

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You'll find our channel and we'll be live at nine

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thirty and we're going to show you the comment again. Yeah,

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you're going to see that it's moving through the sky,

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which shows us right that the universe is dynamic. The

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universe is showing movement. We see stars move too. It

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just takes more months in between views to see that

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Speaker 2: Well you think just before I let you go. Yeah,

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And this is a hypothetical. I know scientists never like

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the hypotheticals, but you almost have to be hypothetical when

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you're talking about the universe. Do you think that the

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web will actually discover that we're older than the thirteen

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point eight billion years that we think we are.

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Speaker 4: That is a that's a distinct possibility, and it could

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be that the universe is a lot older than we thought,

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and that's to be worked out, and cosmologists will do it.

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when it comes to the search for life, and I

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know even people see things on YouTube about oh, there's

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lights found on Proximately No, there haven't been.

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Speaker 1: That's techno signatures, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now we're talking about a potential for a techno signature

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that's right from a distant planet Proxima B. However, we

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have to understand that that could also be cell phones

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causing the problem. So now what they're trying to do

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separate all the sources and make sure before they actually

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make a real announcement about whether there's a technology signature

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seen from Proxima B or whether it was a bleed

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of some of our cell phone technology through satellites and stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, what about the I want to call it

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the BC DASH one signal, there's a lot of talk

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about that lately developments or.

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Speaker 1: Is it BC DASH five about there's some type.

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Speaker 2: Of white paper that was recently written by some science

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program that's actually distinguished that they they're they're passing it

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Speaker 4: Far as and it caught the same time for real

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data to make it to the light of day, because

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there's a process called peer review that we go through

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in science where you have to redo the experiment several

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times from different groups to make sure they get the

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same result. That's why science is so definitive when it

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finally makes a statement, because it's been tested several times

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all different technologies that confirm the same finding. I didn't

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want to mention this too. The James Web may have

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found life already easy on one of the other planets

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that it was actually an original Kepler planet. They found

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a component in the atmosphere of an exoplanet, it's planet

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around another star called that methyl sulfide. If confirmed, that

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methyl sulfide means undoubtedly that there's probably life. I say probably,

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it means undoubtedly that there's probably life there because on Earth,

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the only source of dimethylsul fight on Earth is life

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in the ocean, and it's technically known as the smell

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, Mark, take care, good to talk

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys. We'll see you later, have a big talk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you bet, take care. All right, here we go, Jim,

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you for having me. I really appreciated Martin.

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Great to be here, a great act to follow. Mark

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very knowledgeable in all of the in the night sky.

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I did want to say something because you had mentioned.

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Speaker 3: That that possible breakthrough, and I remember this because we

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talked about this on one of my shows a couple

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of weeks ago, and I just checked it out.

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Speaker 5: It's BLC one, that's what you were referring. And as

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you said, they picked it up in twenty nineteen, they

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thought it was interference or something, and now they're, as

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Mark said, they're taking another look at it. So yeah, interesting.

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I think we live in interesting times. It seems like

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a lot of different things are going on in the

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, you know, it's an exciting time.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we both saw you know, you started

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long before me, but we both saw all the changes

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and that happened, and then it came to, you know,

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December twenty seventeen, and all of a sudden, people starting

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not to laugh so much at longer.

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Speaker 5: You know. It's funny because a few years before that,

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I had gone to a local event with a UFO

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group and very nice people, where there was a speaker

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of some note I won't say who it was, and

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he was great, but I was looking around the room

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I was in my mid forties, and I'm like, you know,

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I'm not exactly a spring chicken. But I just brought

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the age of the whole audience down by twenty years.

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because the people who were the keepers of the flame

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and good people, you know, they were aging out. But

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from twenty seventeen and the tic Tec video and the

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revelations from people like Luis Elzondo and David Grush and

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so forth, and the various military pilots and officers, it's

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given a whole new life and I think we're in

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a very exciting time. I don't think that we should

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assume the disclosure is a fade a complaint by means,

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because I still think they're powerful forces that want to

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keep things quiet. But I think that at least we've

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got a fighting chance now to get more information. Yeah.

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because I think it's kind of funny to reflect on that.

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was people being interviewed about UFOs and I think it

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was nineteen fifty five, and there was a guy with

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a derby and and he was, you know, he had

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these things are. And then I thought, well, that just

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put things into perspective.

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Speaker 5: Well, I felt that way. And when I started, I was,

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you know, a lot younger than I am now, and

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I'm wondering, well I ever get to see the truth.

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always hope.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I often think, and I probably said this enough

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that that not even the best of us, and I'm

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talking about maybe in the government or military or whatever,

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even the best probably doesn't know at all maybe a

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little part of it, right, And because of that, you know,

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how much are we going.

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Speaker 1: To get to know?

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to worry about, or we can defend you or whatever

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it is. Then why say anything at all, you know,

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you know, by force, they're saying a little more than

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they probably want to. But I mean, you know, we

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are seeing some for the first time situations. I think

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you know that are exciting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm interested in those hearings next month. It's

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curious they come right after the election. I don't know

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if that's intentional or not intentional. The timing's kind of interesting.

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you if you get to go to it, because it

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sounds like it'll be fascinating. But I hope they do

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a little better than they did last time. I think

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would they give them the afternoon, they didn't give a

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lot of time to.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we started. I actually was there in the room.

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thirty seats. I was a second to last person that

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My producer DOWNA and I And anyway, we got in

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just barely, and we got there at five point forty

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in the morning, and lots of people cut in line,

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and it was quite quite a situation, but we made

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it in the door. But I do believe that there

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were many people saying that that was the largest attendance

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of anything they had in years and years. So I

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believe a lot of interest, and I'd like to know

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where it's going to be held this time coming because

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I bet they're going to make more accommodations for it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would hope, So it would be a great thing.

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applaud And this is one of the few times I

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think you see some bipartisan operation, which is kind of

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an ironic thing. You've got on one side, Kristin Jillibrand

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on the other side, Mark or Rubio, you have Representative Burchette,

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and you have Representative Moskowitz. Of course, Chuck Schumer tried

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to champion that bill in the Senate. So I mean,

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it's kind of nice to see both sides of the

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aisle working together on something.

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Speaker 2: They absolutely work totally together. AOC and math math gates.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, which seems like impossible, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem possible, but it was. It was pretty awesome.

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I'm sure people are seeing you little I just love

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you a little jellyfish in the background there.

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Speaker 5: The jellyfish steal the show every time. I could. I

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could sit here and say the most profound thing you've

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ever heard, and people would say, not that I do.

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But even if I did, they would say, tell me

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about the jellyfish. But I love the jellyfish. If I

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didn't love them, they wouldn't be there. Now they're they're great,

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and then they're always they're always listening. I hope they've

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learned a lot about UFOs and ghosts and things over

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the last few years.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Also one things that really do look like aliens, jellyfish

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and yeah, the cuttlefish.

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Speaker 5: They all look like well some people believe that they're real,

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and they said, do you really think that I would

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put poor little creatures in such a confined space. Come on,

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you don't want to see it. Yeah, but they but

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they look really real.

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Speaker 1: They do. Yeah, they're pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: So you started in two thousand and five, which is

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almost unheard of when it comes to podcasts. I started

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my Yeah, I started my Antique one in two thousand

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and nine, and it was so difficult, we're talking ahead

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of the show, to find someone to create a website

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than the RSS feed and all these different things you

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have to do to make it go into Apple and

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oh boy was that difficult. So you've but you've had

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this thing going ever since then. You've I know, you

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took a little break for a little while and you

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came back. I believe, right, did you?

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Speaker 5: I take it in tiny, tiny, little break, but not

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that much. The Paranormal Podcast started in two thousand and five,

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and I still produce that show to this day. So

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that's interviews. That's where I do a lot of the

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UFO stuff with you know UFO people you would know

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Leslie Kane, Stan Friedan's been on the show, Jacques la

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on the UFO side, But I also interview people about ghosts.

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And I just released a show to day is We're

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we're streaming this on demons. So it's wide. When I

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say paranormal to me, that's a very wide definition. And

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then probably my most and that show I did every year.

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I've done episodes on that, but six oh seven it

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was a little more sporadic. Oh eight, I really started

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in every week cadence. But as far as I know,

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that show, The Paranormal Podcast is the longest running paranormal

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podcast on the internet. Other people started shortly after me

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or people started before me but they quit. And of

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course Coast to Coast A. M. Has been doing it

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for decades on the radio and before that long John

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Memal and you know, it's not an original, it's not

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an original. Five and then probably my most popular show

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though I started in two thousand and nine, and that's

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Jim Harrold's Campfire. Yeah, and I have a series of

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six Yeah, And that's basically people who call in who

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have strange stories. And it could be ghosts, it could

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be cryptic creatures, it could be We do have some

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UFO stories certainly, and just real people calling in telling

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their real stories of things that they've experienced. And we

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have a number of other shows, but folks can check

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that out at the website Jimharreld dot com. But those

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are the main Those are the main too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like we were talking about off off air, I

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love talking to people with original stories now you just

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meet or whatever, and to me, they're so fascinating because

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they have no real interests. I mean, I had a

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guy that I interviewed one time and talked to him

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about his sighting and he said he didn't care at

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all about anything. It didn't even face him, you know,

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and I think it's a weird reaction, but people all

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different people react differently to whatever it is. But anyway,

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the real stories that happen to people that are unexplainable,

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you know, or there's so many of them, and it

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just makes me wonder, you know, how many things are

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going on that we have no clue around us all

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the time, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, well, I think that's the key. You know.

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the last six months, but I think it kind of

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you know, people say, well, what have you learned and

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so forth in almost twenty years of doing this, And

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the truth is, I don't really know if I've learned

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any explanations because I kind of to what you were saying.

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I don't think anybody has the full explanation for any

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of this. But I I think this quote kind of

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encapsulates my thoughts after almost twenty years. And it's not

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original quote for me. It's some way way back in

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history said it, and it is, uh, not only is

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the universe stranger than you imagine, but the universe is

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stranger than you can imagine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I heard that quote.

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Speaker 5: It's and I think that kind of says about the

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best I've ever heard it, because you think about it,

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ultra violet light. You know, centuries ago people didn't know

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ultravit violent light existed. But there it is. It's here.

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You know, there could be beings in our very mist.

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There could be one write in this chair over next

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to me, and I wouldn't know it. Maybe I can't

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see it. I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not.

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And I used to be one of these people. And

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I hear this from a lot of people who go

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down this road, whether it's writing books or doing radio

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shows or podcasts or TV shows or becoming investigators, that

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they started off with very definite ideas. You know, you know,

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UFOs are explicable partially by the ones that we can't

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explain through military experimentation or hoaxes or whatever, which is

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a percentage of them. Certainly that they're extraterrestrials. And that's

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always the way that I felt, And now it's like

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I've opened up my mind to yeah, they might be extraterrestrials,

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and or they might be so terrestrials. You look at

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things that like trans medium craft, and that's going to

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make you think, Okay, if these things are going down

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into the ocean, where are they going? Is that where

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they're coming from or is it some kind of a base,

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or is it interdimensional? Is there a time slip aspect?

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Because scientists say, despite what we all think, you know,

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time is certainly linear, it's certainly not so in a way,

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doing this for twenty years almost has made me more

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confused than when I started. Yeah, but more convinced that

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something is really going on. If that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely to me, because I feel the same way.

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Speaker 1: I really do. I say things very similar to that.

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Speaker 2: And you know when you said time slip, you know,

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and you can really, you know, go deep into this

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whole type of thing. But if something was a fraction

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of a second different, if there was, what is that

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is that another reality has had another dimension?

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Speaker 5: We don't know that. You know, scientists talk about the multiverse,

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the idea that in every you know, there's an idea

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out there that maybe there's every possible permutation of our lives.

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That's that kind of blows my mind. But maybe in

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another multi verse. I'm interviewing you on my show podcast

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UFO about your show Martin's Campfire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 5: Yet welcome, Welcome to the campfire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what you know, you've been added a long time.

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And I always like to ask this question of everyone

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and what started your fascination with these type of topics.

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Speaker 5: I blame Leonard nimoy Ah. I'm sure you've heard that

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a time or two. Yeah, in search of and then

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there were some great family stories. There was one great

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Ufo family story which I'm glad to share with you,

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which was a big influence on me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love to hear it.

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Speaker 5: And then also you know, later on things like unsolved mysteries,

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and of course could never get enough of the books.

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I'd always go to the library or the bookstore and

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there wouldn't be enough paranormal books. So anyway, I had

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gone to school and graduated from college in the early

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nineties with the idea of going probably into television, and

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just ended up getting a job at the first broadcast

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outlet that I could get, which was a local radio station,

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and became a sales assistant and then fell into sales.

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You know. A dozen years later, two thousand and five,

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I look up and said, I guess that whole TV

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in front of the camera thing is gone because now

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I've got a wife, two kids, mortgage. But I heard

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of this thing called podcasting. I'm like, well, at least

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if I can't podcast professionally or broadcast professionally, I'm working

473
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:56,680
behind the scenes. I can do this for fun. And

474
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,240
I did have knowledge of raating because I had worked

475
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,599
in radio for the better part of a dozen years.

476
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,240
So I decided to start a podcast just as a hobby,

477
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,960
and absolutely shockingly, it became several years later, my full

478
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,319
time job in twenty twelve, and it's been what I've

479
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,519
been doing full time ever since. So feel very blessed,

480
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,880
very blessed to do it.

481
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, amazing. Yeah.

482
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's hear about the family, the family siding

483
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,279
or whatever.

484
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, anyway, this had to be around nineteen seventy.

485
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,319
I think it was aboutdy I was basically a baby,

486
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,599
probably about a year old, and my family was originally

487
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:40,720
from West Virginia and they went and visited my I

488
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:44,440
mean I was from Ohio. My parents met up here

489
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,000
in Cleveland, got married in Cleveland, lived in Cleveland. I've

490
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,319
lived in Cleveland my whole life, but my family would

491
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,519
always go back every summer and visit, you know, Grandpa

492
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:59,119
and Grandma, West Virginia. So this particular year they visited

493
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,519
the three of us, and they dropped off baby Jimmy

494
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,079
to Grandma, and they drove out to this secluded area. Now, Martin,

495
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,480
I don't want to know why they drove off to

496
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,599
that secluded area. Actually that's more information than I need.

497
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,759
But so my dad was in his big sixty eight

498
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:25,799
buickless saber, which I remember is huge land yacht. Anyway,

499
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:30,880
him and my mom were parked at this place, and

500
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:35,720
my dad said, and my mom corroborated every detail this

501
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:40,000
story except for one which I'll share. The whole sky

502
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:45,319
lit up for something like sixty seconds so brightly. And

503
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,680
this is in West Virginia, you know, off the beaten

504
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:54,559
path road, dirt road. You know, when it's dark down there,

505
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,599
it is dark, no light pollution, no lights, nothing. So

506
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,079
the whole skylights up for about sixty seconds. And my

507
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,200
dad said he could read the numbers on you know,

508
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,599
the big speedometers he used to have on the cars,

509
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:07,759
and the analog clocks. He could read all of it,

510
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,400
just like it was pure day. He said. He looked

511
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,400
to his left and he saw what he called a

512
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:18,960
man with a welding mask with his handheld up and

513
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,359
then they decided to get it out of there. Now,

514
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,240
my mom did not see the man with the welding mask,

515
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,359
And as they drove out, my mom said, now, my

516
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,799
dad's still with us. He's eighty nine years old, still

517
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,319
tells the exact same story. My mom unfortunately has passed.

518
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,119
But my mom, I'll try to give you a flavor

519
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,079
of her West Virginia accent. She said, Man, Jimmy, I

520
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:41,000
saw the biggest birds I've ever seen in my life

521
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:45,319
on the bank of that heel with a huge wingspan,

522
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:50,440
several birds what they described as words. They left. He fully,

523
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,839
my dad said, he fully expected to hear something the

524
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,599
next day in the news about some kind of explosion something.

525
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:59,799
Never heard another thing of it again. Now years later,

526
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,599
doing an interview with Mike clelland I'm sure you're familiar

527
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,720
with him the messengers about owls, and it occurred to

528
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,160
me just something clicked while he was telling me that

529
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:17,839
story that it's like, wow, it's uh maybe it was

530
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,079
a screen memory, you know. And again, my dad was

531
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,200
a steel worker, right not you know, trying to get

532
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,640
in touch with the oneness of the universe, you know,

533
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,960
it doesn't have pyramids under his bed, very grounded, salt

534
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:34,720
of the earth. My mom is what they used to

535
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,680
call homemakers, stay at home mom, same thing. You know.

536
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,759
My dad had some interest in these subjects. He would

537
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:44,039
watch in search of or something when it was on,

538
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,799
but nothing, you know, nothing like now and like people

539
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:51,279
are obsessed like me. And it was the same exact

540
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:55,720
story my whole life, and it's never changed. And I

541
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:57,400
could call him up right now and have him tell

542
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,640
me this story and it would be exactly the same.

543
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,319
And I believe him. Yeah, I have had him on

544
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:07,720
campfire before, and in fact, i've had him on campfire

545
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,559
and in fact, when I go give a live talk

546
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:14,359
sometimes I'll play a clip and my headlines, how did

547
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,640
I get like this? And there's another family, great ghost story.

548
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,920
But the point is is that my dad is just

549
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,279
one example. I'll give you another example, which is kind

550
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,960
of a really neat one, and you may even be

551
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,359
familiar with this case. So anyway, I had this professor

552
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,039
in broadcasting school early nineties, like ninety ninety one. He

553
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:41,359
was the best professor I ever had, fantastic, a total

554
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,720
expert in broadcasting, and in fact, I credit him with

555
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:46,960
being able to do largely what I've been able to

556
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,880
do from things I learned in his classes thirty three

557
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:57,759
thirty four years ago. But anyway, so one day he

558
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,079
came in he'd been in the Air Force, and he

559
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:08,039
told this story, and he actually had our engineer videotape it.

560
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,559
So he went into the studio and stood in front

561
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,640
of a blackboard so he could illustrate it, and had

562
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,279
him rolling tape and master control, and he told the

563
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:19,960
story where he had been an Air Force officer in

564
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,920
the early nineteen sixties. I think it was Big Sir, California. Oh,

565
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,799
and he was doing a miss they were doing a

566
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:29,359
missile test. He was a film officer. Yes, you know

567
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,759
the story the other but I'll finish because there's a

568
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:39,960
little twist. So anyway, he said that they were filming

569
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:46,000
the filming the test, and basically a rocket went up

570
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:51,160
right and then into the frame. Well, first of all,

571
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,400
they did the they did the test and everything came

572
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,079
out good as far as they could tell the film

573
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,720
officer because they're like thirty miles away or whatever. So anyway,

574
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,599
they turned into film or whatever. And then he's called

575
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,880
into his commanding officer's office and basically his commanding offer says,

576
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,759
what the hell were you good guys doing? What is this?

577
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,799
And he plays it and when he sees his the

578
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,799
missile go up and something comes up and I'm you know,

579
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,799
I'm paraphrasing, but something comes up next to it and

580
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,039
injects what I think he called the plasma beam into

581
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:26,960
it four different ways and it disintegrated, and basically his

582
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,559
commanding officer and there are two guys in suits in

583
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:33,599
the room that he doesn't recognize. He says, what the

584
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,079
hell were you guys doing? What kind of you know,

585
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,880
were what was going on? Were you monking around wherever?

586
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:40,960
He said, sir, I have no idea what this is.

587
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:44,039
As far as we know, we got the test. Everything

588
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,839
was good. That was it. We turned the film in.

589
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,440
He said, this did not happen. You will not speak

590
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,440
of this, and he never ever heard of it again.

591
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:58,160
And then eventually, years later he he told his story.

592
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,839
And I was doing an interview with Robert Hastings, you

593
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:10,200
know Hastings, and he started describing the story and I'm like,

594
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,519
in the middle, he's in the middle of the story.

595
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:16,039
I'm like, sir, are you talking about Bob Jacobs.

596
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: Yes, Bob Jacobs always Bob Jacobs.

597
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,599
Speaker 1: Bob Jacobs was your professor.

598
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,839
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my goodness, I know we had a PhD.

599
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 5: Yeah. He was a great professor, a fantastic professor. And

600
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,440
the the irony that I ended up, you know, I

601
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,519
always had an interest in the paranormal, the irony that

602
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,279
years later I would end up doing shows on these

603
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,880
very topics and interview somebody who and and there's a

604
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,240
great clip out there on YouTube, but sometimes it's a

605
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,400
little hard to find, but I've found it several times

606
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,079
of the years where Bob Jacobs was on Larry King

607
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,400
Live with I believe, I believe it was Robert Sallis,

608
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,920
I don't know. Stanton Friedman was there and Bill Ny

609
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,920
the science guy.

610
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that one. Yeah, And it was

611
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,400
such a critic.

612
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 5: And condescending and again he skeptical to a point, but

613
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,280
he was just kind of poo pooing what doctor Jacobs

614
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,199
was saying. Means Bob let him have it, and he.

615
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: Know they almost got into a brawl.

616
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:24,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know what happened. Who had that technology in

617
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,719
nineteen sixty blah blah blah. Did the Russians have it?

618
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,360
Did we have it?

619
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:27,639
Speaker 3: No?

620
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 5: And he was. You know what, He's absolutely right, and

621
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,760
I believe him one hundred percent.

622
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:35,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had him slated for a show.

623
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:35,960
Something came up.

624
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,079
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have talked to him about

625
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,760
that whole situation. That's really amazing, amazing someone wanted to know.

626
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,760
Let me just see if I can find it here. Jim,

627
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,400
can you please share your family's Mothman story.

628
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 5: Well, that's really kind of the thing that I'm People

629
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,519
may be thinking of it as Mothman.

630
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:57,559
Speaker 1: The birds were alone.

631
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:00,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, the birds, that's the that's the I don't know

632
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,920
if you just missed it, but I just told that story.

633
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:05,400
The weird thing was, now that was in West Virginia.

634
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,119
That was in a different part of West Virginia, but

635
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,519
it was not too far removed chronologically. We're talking probably

636
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:17,599
nineteen seventy I figure seventy one seventy from the Mofman

637
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,840
sidings in the sixty seven era. Now Point Pleasant is

638
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,920
quite a ways away from where my dad was from.

639
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,559
My dad was from up by the Maryland border, so

640
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,320
he's up in the little crook up in West Virginia

641
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,440
where they kind of Maryland dips in. So it's a

642
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,800
different part of the state. He's up here and they're

643
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,840
down there. It looks the opposite something like that. But anyway,

644
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,039
but still, you know, there have been I think Offman

645
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,679
type sightings in that whole general kind of Ohio Valley area.

646
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,519
So I often wondered, did my parents see Mothman? And

647
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,239
the thing was, I mean, you could have asked my

648
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,679
both my parents who is John Keel and they wouldn't

649
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,239
have the slightest idea.

650
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:57,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

651
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know, now they're talking in sightings in the

652
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,719
Chicago area.

653
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,039
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely. We even had somebody on campfire who

654
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,960
reported seeing something almost look like a gargoyle. I think

655
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,519
she reported, Yeah, absolutely.

656
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, those those figures that people have been talking about

657
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:19,679
for centuries. Yes, you know, amazing. I just want to

658
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:21,760
say hi to people in the chat. Thank you for

659
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,719
being here. Alive, Mary Grace, Hello, Bim, Jim Roger, Murray

660
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,599
Rene always here, Jay Hall, Good to see you. Jay's

661
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,320
actually got me a very good guest at one point,

662
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,679
So good to see you Jay and all that. Just

663
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:40,320
see if there's Stargazer, I'm not sure if I remember you,

664
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,280
but welcome Valiant Loki not.

665
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Still what was it Valiant four?

666
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: Was that guy at the White rebber, that story Valiant

667
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,280
four supposed to the alien that supposedly showed up. But anyway,

668
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,000
thank you all for being here alive. But no, that's

669
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,440
that's really great that I can don't believe. Bob Jacobs says,

670
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,400
who you were talking about? That's really amazing.

671
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was such, It was like such serendipity. I mean,

672
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,599
what are the chances, what are the chances? Maybe it

673
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,360
was all meant to be. I don't know, maybe, you know,

674
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,800
maybe in a way his story helped inspire me too

675
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,760
to do this. I mean, it just added to the fascination.

676
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:22,239
And that's the thing is that, you know, the skeptics say, well,

677
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,199
you know, anecdotal stories or that. But the thing is

678
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:31,440
is that there are people in our lives who we trust, right.

679
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,760
My parents are those people. Bob is one of those people.

680
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,320
And I don't think they make it up. Now, could

681
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,800
it in some case be? Now? I don't see how

682
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,880
Bob stories of misinterpretation. What happened happened? My parents, I

683
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,239
don't know. I mean, they didn't say it was aliens,

684
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,360
they didn't say it was mothman. They didn't claim anything.

685
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:56,960
They just claimed here's what we saw. I mean, I

686
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,519
don't even necessarily think they. My dad describe as a

687
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:03,199
man in a welding mask. To me, it would be

688
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,159
like an et you know, that would be where my

689
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,000
mind would go.

690
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: And his his thinking also as a steel worker.

691
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: That's me.

692
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, he went there, Yeah, exactly as that.

693
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,079
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you on you know, this

694
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,480
is almost the Halloween time, so I'm going to just

695
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:25,039
ask you a question. Really, can you cite one of

696
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:29,199
your call ins at the Campfire and the Campfire Podcast

697
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:33,639
that you think was a real, real, incredible ghost or

698
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,159
whatever it is, politegeist or whatever you want to call it.

699
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Do you have one?

700
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 5: Probably the story that I think is the most Twilight

701
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,880
Zoni is not a traditional ghost story, but I'll tell

702
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,800
you I probably told this on hundreds of shows.

703
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: That's all right, so anybody's.

704
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,679
Speaker 5: Heard this, but I will tell you this is an

705
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:56,079
amazing story. So this is called and if anybody's listening

706
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:59,679
or watching, who listens or watches to my shows, you

707
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,039
I've heard this one. It's called the Roadhouse Salon and

708
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,760
this happened up in Wisconsin. My caller who called this

709
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,960
in probably around twenty eleven something like that or twenty twelve,

710
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:22,280
Her name is Ti, and basically she would She's from Michigan,

711
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,079
but every summer her and her family would go up

712
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:28,360
to this camp in Wisconsin and spend some time this campground.

713
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,119
So this one night, her and a friend from the

714
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:37,480
campground decided that they wanted to go and they wanted

715
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,760
to check out this band about an hour away and

716
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,679
they were playing in the bar. So they drove up

717
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,199
there about an hour and they closed the bar down

718
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,559
because they're also musicians, and they got to talking after

719
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,800
the show with the guys and talking about gigs and

720
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,280
different stuff. So they're headed back home or back to

721
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,079
the campground. You know, it's a three in the morning.

722
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,199
So they're driving back at these rural roads, super dark,

723
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:08,760
two lane roads, you can kind of picture it, and

724
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,599
t I tells Bob, her friend. She says, Bob, you know,

725
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,760
I think I've got to go to the restroom. And

726
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,039
he kind of looks at her and says, well, unless

727
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:19,840
you want to pull up a tree, I don't know

728
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,280
exactly where you're gonna go, and she said, that's okay,

729
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,800
just drive fast. So anyway, they go about ten minutes

730
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,719
down the road and they see this bar and the

731
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,400
joint is jumping, there's cars in the lot, there's neon signs,

732
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,519
there's a little bit of bump bump thump of the music,

733
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,800
and they're like, wait, it's after three o'clock. This place

734
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,960
isn't supposed to be open. But they don't look a

735
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,960
gift horse in the mouth. They go in and Bob says,

736
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,119
you know, I'm really glad we're here because there's this

737
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,519
mural that's like a local legend here of like the

738
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,000
Old West, and it's on this whole wall of like

739
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:56,639
cowboys and all this different stuff. It's like a barroom scene.

740
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,760
I've always wanted to see it, so we finally got

741
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,920
to see it. So the people when they come in,

742
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,760
they're kind of smiling, kind of like kind of weird,

743
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,840
kind of like hi, Hi. You know, it's just kind

744
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,039
of bizarre. So anyway, t I goes the restroom, Bob

745
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:13,480
goes to the bar and gets him a couple of

746
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,559
soft drinks, and Ti comes back and they're looking at

747
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:22,079
this this mural and talking about the place. And this

748
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:27,920
guy goes over to this Woolitzer jukebox and it's the

749
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,280
old bubbler style and this is back some years ago.

750
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,760
So Vinyl had gone out of style. It's not, you know,

751
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,320
not like it has its come back now. But at

752
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,239
that point, all the jukeboxes were CD jukebox, but not

753
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,159
this one. This was the old school vinyl bubbler Wolitzer Beautiful.

754
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,039
And this guy goes over jukebox puts on Chubby Checkers.

755
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:55,159
Let's twist again. So anyway, they're talking about the painting

756
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,400
and everything. This guy walks over to Ti and he

757
00:41:57,559 --> 00:41:59,679
smiles and he has a mouthful of rotten teeth, and

758
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,119
he said, want to dance? And t I had a cane.

759
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:06,000
She walks with a cane, so she held up the

760
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,039
cane and said, I don't do much dancing. She said

761
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,599
she was glad to have that cane that day. So anyway,

762
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,719
just the place is just kind of weird. And they

763
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,280
noticed something even weirder. They noticed that all the figures

764
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:24,280
in the painting are actually reflected by the clientele. There's

765
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,119
a lady standing by the bar, basically the same lady

766
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,039
excepting what they used to call dance hall girl clothing

767
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:36,280
in the painting. Guys at the pool table in the

768
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,559
real bar are playing cards in the painting. And this

769
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:45,119
goes through and through and everybody they see and t

770
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,360
I goes up and was talking to the bartender and said, hey,

771
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,360
are these the same people? And the bartender just kind

772
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,559
of goes and just smiles. So anyway, they thought that

773
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,519
was weird. So she sits back down. They talk, and

774
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,840
then they noticed something in the painting that they never

775
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,880
noticed before. See, this is like an old West saloon.

776
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,480
And remember the old Westerns with the swinging doors, and

777
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,400
the guy would come in and said, I want to

778
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,119
see bart I want to have a showdown. Well, anyway,

779
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:16,760
there were those kind of doors. Now, when they originally

780
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,079
saw the painting, it was just the doors, but they

781
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:26,519
noticed two misty columns developing, and they couldn't figure it out.

782
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,119
It was like, what in the world is that? And

783
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:33,960
they looked and it developed a little bit more like

784
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,599
a polaroid picture, and the one was taller, one was larger.

785
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:41,719
And they looked a little more and one's a man

786
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,039
and one's a woman. And then t I realizes the

787
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,599
woman has curly hair. She has curly hair. She realized

788
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:54,440
the woman has cowboy boots. She has cowboy boots. But

789
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,199
the kicker was when she noticed the woman had a cane.

790
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: The heck out of there.

791
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 5: They got that. Well, that's not the end of it.

792
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,320
They did get the heck out there. When they they

793
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,719
they left, the people were kind of like, come back,

794
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,440
come back, So they leave, close the door. Everything goes

795
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,760
pitch black. The place looks like it had not been opened.

796
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,519
All the lights were out. And when they went to

797
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:23,559
the parking lot there was not plural cars. There was

798
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,280
one car. Now TI is much braver than me, so

799
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,519
a couple of nights later, I think it might have

800
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,599
been her sister, I'm not sure, or a friend. She said,

801
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:36,400
I'm going back to check this place out.

802
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: Now.

803
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 5: She didn't wait till three o'clock in the morning. She

804
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,000
went about eight o'clock at night. But they went to

805
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,079
check it out. And they got there and they looked around.

806
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,480
The mural was there. There were no misty figures though

807
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:49,800
in the doorway like there was. That kind of got

808
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,440
them out of there. There was a juke box, but

809
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,079
it was not a will It's Er juke box. It

810
00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:58,719
was a modern for the day CD juke box. Andro

811
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,119
by the way, no Chubby her on it. And then

812
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,320
t I goes up to the bartender, who is a

813
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,440
young woman, and she said, you know, I was here

814
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,800
the other night it was such and such time, and

815
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:14,800
there was this young, good looking strapping you know, a bartender,

816
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,400
and the woman kind of looks at her kind of

817
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,599
quizzically and says, well, first of all, we're closed, long

818
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:24,079
closed by that time. Secondly, the only people attend bar

819
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:29,599
in this place are me and my elderly father. And

820
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,920
that was the end of the story. For a while,

821
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,119
I felt so strongly about that story that I contacted

822
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:42,239
Ti and in twenty nineteen, pre pandemic, I drove up

823
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,760
to Michigan and actually did a video interview with her

824
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,559
and got to meet her and her husband. I don't

825
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:51,400
want to expose any more information I should, but she

826
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,480
was a very respected profession pillar of the community. I

827
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,079
think she since retired. I believed her when she told

828
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,239
me the story of the phone. I believe her more now,

829
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,280
and I think she actually did end up going back

830
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,159
one more time and checking it out with some friends

831
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:17,880
and family later on. Now this place actually exists because

832
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,440
I have a video on my YouTube channel, Jim Harold

833
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,920
dot COM's Lash YouTube, and she tells her story and

834
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,559
we actually thanks to Chad Lewis. I don't know if

835
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,360
you know Chad Lewis. He is a cryptid investigator up

836
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,559
in the Midwest there I think God of Wisconsin. Chad's

837
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:36,719
a great guy. He actually went to this place and

838
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,719
took pictures. So this place existed. Now I don't know

839
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,280
it's current status. I know, pre pandemic, it was open.

840
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,920
I called them and tried to get to talk to somebody,

841
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,039
and nobody ever returned my calls. They probably thought, why

842
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:55,199
are you sending all these people our way? You know,

843
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,000
maybe it's a good thing. I don't know, but and

844
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,280
then I know. It also got spit a spotline on

845
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,800
another podcast that I let know about the story, and

846
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,440
they reached out and talked to Tia, a huge podcast

847
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,639
called Spooked. And you know, it's kind of taken on

848
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,960
legendary status in our little community, but it's probably my

849
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,480
favorite all time story. Is it fantastic? Absolutely no question.

850
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,519
Do I believe it happened? Yes? What is it? I

851
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:26,480
asked the question, I have no clue.

852
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,159
Speaker 2: It almost seems look when you say twilight Zone, yeah

853
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:34,159
that's a good description. Yeah, but it almost seems like

854
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:35,519
a time thing.

855
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 5: Right, alternate version of this bar or And she said

856
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,880
what t I said, And I think this is a

857
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,559
good point. She said, people go missing all the time,

858
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,559
and what if they hadn't gotten out there, would have

859
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:52,039
they been somehow captured by this bar? And she said

860
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,360
maybe people thought that she ran if she had gone missing,

861
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,760
that she ran off with Bob or who knows what happened.

862
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,360
So she was glad she got out of there. Would

863
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,440
she let me ask you this?

864
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:07,679
Speaker 2: Did she notice anything different about time? In other words,

865
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,519
when she got home that night, did it seem like

866
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,280
a normal time? Do you know what she mentioned?

867
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 5: She never indicated that there was any time, missing time

868
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:18,800
or anything like that. Probably a really good follow up

869
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,800
that I probably didn't ask. Maybe I did, it's been

870
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,920
quite a few years, but not that I recall no

871
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,679
missing time.

872
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's fascinating. That's quite a story.

873
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 5: Yeah. And I mean again, if I hadn't seen her

874
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,360
face to face and really spent some quality time with her,

875
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,599
I might be more skeptical. But it's like, hm, I

876
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:43,320
I believe her. I believe her.

877
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I guess what about call ins for UFOs?

878
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,480
You say you get them every nome?

879
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:56,119
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I have a one of my

880
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:58,199
books here. This is my I've done six of these,

881
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,400
but this is my second, and it had some UFO

882
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:03,440
stories in it, and I thought you might ask. So

883
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:08,320
I thought that I thought that I might let's see

884
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,000
if this one, this might be a good one.

885
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: Now are these stories that because I have thought about

886
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,519
doing this, and this is maybe what you have done,

887
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,639
And that is I've thought about getting some of my

888
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,880
past guests with unique stories on to basically tell their

889
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,119
story and create a book.

890
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,079
Speaker 5: Out of it. That's exactly what I've done. I've done

891
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:24,880
it six times.

892
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: Thought it wouldn't be my invention.

893
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: Well, no, believe me, nothing is original, nothing is original,

894
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,039
so you wouldn't hurt my feelings. This was from Rich

895
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,440
in New Jersey and this is probably the very early

896
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,920
days of the podcast and it's a short story, but

897
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,599
it's kind of cool. He said. After I began listening

898
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,440
to the Campfire podcast, I start talking to my family

899
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,440
about the paranormal and UFOs. My mother told me the

900
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,840
story that my grandfather and great grandfather had experienced way

901
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,360
back in nineteen thirty nine or forty wow. One night

902
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,639
on the old family farm and County, Illinois. They were

903
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:06,480
both riding in a single horse drawn carriage going down

904
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,880
a dirt road. Suddenly it looked as though there were

905
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,440
two car headlights coming at them, but they were, as

906
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,440
my grandfather explained, like fireballs or orbs of light. They

907
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,320
came down the road right at them, almost collided, and

908
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,320
then one broke left and one broke right. They took

909
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,119
off over the carriage and over the hills. They made

910
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:32,920
no noise. My grandfather was a real assault of the

911
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,679
earth guy and outdoorsman. He'd go into the woods and

912
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,960
hunt and kill snakes. He wouldn't really have any reason

913
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,280
to make anything like this up. And from what they

914
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,559
told me, these things came so close to them that

915
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:48,679
they actually were brushed back in the carriage. There was

916
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:54,280
definitely something there. Very very short story, but my goodness.

917
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,480
What is the one officer you would know? That reminds

918
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:00,639
me a little bit of the officer who's car was

919
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,400
somewhat mangled and destroyed.

920
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: Was it Johnson that was in the Midwest somewhere and

921
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:08,079
the car still exists?

922
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 5: Well, I know it's in a museum or something in

923
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:10,599
a museum.

924
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I just can't think of this.

925
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,199
Speaker 5: His name's Johnson, I think, but I'm not sure of that.

926
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, his son was talking for a while. I was

927
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,519
trying to get his son on this show to talk

928
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,679
to him about that whole situation. Yeah, that one, that

929
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,840
one was something, and yeah, I love it. I love

930
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,719
I love stories like that, you know, because that's very unusual.

931
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:32,519
Speaker 1: And you take nineteen thirty nine.

932
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: A lot of people, you know, just take for granted

933
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,000
that they think nineteen forty seven on is the age

934
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:41,000
of modern UFOs, when the other happening.

935
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 5: The other thing I love about that is that we're

936
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,000
kind of tainted now, right, even if we're honest and

937
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:50,880
we're truthful people, we are influenced by popular culture. Yes,

938
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,880
these people nineteen thirty nine, nineteen four, maybe the most

939
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,159
they heard was A War of the World in nineteen

940
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:01,320
thirty eight with Orson Wells. Oh yeah, So I mean

941
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,239
to have accounts from way back then when people weren't

942
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:11,199
quote poisoned by popular culture tainted. I think that's very valuable, right.

943
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Speaker 2: I remember having a friend of mine, well, I say

944
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loosely more of an acquaintance, but Roger and Iguard, filmmaker.

945
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He did something on the Trekkies which was really fun.

946
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But anyway, he was on my show and he basically

947
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said that you know how people like to paint with

948
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the broad brushstroke, it's all pop culture. That's why everyone

949
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you know, he was a skeptic of right UFOs and

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so he was just basically saying that it's all pop culture.

951
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Speaker 5: Well I don't believe that, but I do think we're influenced. Sure,

952
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I think we are influenced, and I think it's sometimes

953
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harder to tease things out because that, through no fault

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of Rome, we've lived in our whole lot.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to pull up your website here and

957
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so that is Jim Harrold dot com.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, if you go to home, that'll give you

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the front page. If you hit home there, that'll give

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people really the home Yeah, picture the home page. Yeah yeah, yeah.

961
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If you click on home right there where it says home,

962
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that'll give them what the front page looks like. All right,

963
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let's see here we go right there you go, here,

964
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there you go.

965
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, it's been a real pleasure. The hour went

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by rather fast. Some great graphics you have here.

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Speaker 5: Too, Thank you, thank you, and I hope everybody can

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check it out. You can find Jim Harold's Campfire and

970
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the Paranormal Podcast on YouTube and wherever you listen to

971
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your podcast, and of course at Jimharld dot com and Martin,

972
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,000
thank you so much. I really appreciate it. It's been

973
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a lot of fun. It's an honor to have been

974
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on your show.

975
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure

976
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to have you on. And I might just have to

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give me one of those jellyfish lamps. All right, you

978
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take care, thank you. All right, everyone, So we'll be

979
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back next week with Chris Wolford, and just keep in

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mind we may be going to Washington, DC.

981
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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure yet. We'll see how that goes.

982
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Speaker 2: We don't really know exactly if that's going to happen

983
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or not, or the exact date. So it's awful hard

984
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to plan for that and to go at such short

985
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notice that it may end up being. But we'll certainly

986
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give it a try to be there again and be

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in the room if we can again if possible. Thanks

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so much everyone, and remember to keep your eyes to

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the sky.