Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: I'm Martin Willashire, host and as you see from my
back ground some of you have been watching for a while.
I'm back in South Carolina for a few weeks and
we'll be back going back to uh up to Portsmouth
in Hampshire, the home of Betty and Barney Hill area,
and around Thanksgiving time through Christmas and back down here
again for the cooler weather.
Speaker 1: Very lucky to be able to do that.
Speaker 2: Also, just to let people know, I'm going to be
attempting to go to the hearing right now, it's kind
of up in the air. There's been some dates thrown around.
What I'm talking about is another UAP here in Washington.
Speaker 3: D C.
Speaker 2: And that looks like it might be around November thirteenth.
I'm in touch with a lot of different people. We
don't exactly, you know, have a date. I also think
that they're still working on witnesses and that may you know,
change what they're going to do or when they're going
to do it. So anyway, stay tuned for that. I'm
going to do a show live from there. The thirteenth
is a Wednesday, so at twelfth I've been doing the
show same as they did last year. Unfortunately Chris Lido
won't be there this year if he's on some type
of tour with Ross Coltheart at that time and some
other people. So our blog this week, it's called a
UFO up. That was last week's hold on everyone, Hold on?
Speaker 1: Where is it? Here? It is right here.
Speaker 2: It's a humanoid and craft report from Alberta, Canada and
another nineteen seventy three encounter. So check that out again,
you know by Charles Lear. He always does a great
job on our blogs and audio blogs and they do
go out on our stream. We have our merch I'm
going to have some more more another design I have
that's I like, actually better. That's going to be going
up on our website for merchandise coming up pretty soon.
The guests tonight Jim Harold. I've heard his name since
I started, and he's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Has been doing this.
Speaker 2: A long, long, long long time, and he's been talking
UFOs and ghosts and all kinds of things. And right
now he's been doing what's called the Campfire Podcast. I
believe he's going to correct me on that, but basically
he's talking to first hand witnesses who have had hauntings
and things like that. So anyway, before that, I have
my good buddy Mark did Antonio.
Speaker 4: Welcome, Mark, Hey Martin, how are you feeling, man, how's
it going.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, doing good, Mark, So you have you have.
I've been watching your stream. I've been watching that comet,
which is yeah, absolute yeah.
Speaker 4: Now the comment is called susan chan Atlas and right
now it's just over just over half of an astronomical
union away from our planet. So we're looking at about
ninety eight million kilometers or so, and it's actually moving,
believe it or not, one hundred and fifty thousand miles
an hour on average away from us. Now, you think
something moving that fast would just disappear in no time.
Speaker 1: Right, you can see it move, right, you can see
it move.
Speaker 4: We actually saw it move two days ago when we
had the stream up goes. It'll be around for a
few more weeks. We're looking at it with our Arizona
telescope and everybody was treated to see the comet in
one position. And then when I show them something else,
like I show them my website, you know, the sky
through live dot org site. Then we come back the
comments actually moved and the stars are shifting because the
common is moving through the field of view, and you
can actually see all that because they're moving so fast.
Yet you say, well, shouldn't it zoom through the sky. Well,
the comet's got a tail that's millions of miles long,
So you know, we're talking about a comet that's wow.
Even though it's going one hundred fifty thousand miles an hour, right,
it still takes some time to move. Now, let me
ask you this, dynamic.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this when something is moving like that,
but everything is moving really really fast, So it's moving
actually that speed within everything that's moving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's moving relative to our solar system
and our Earth and our Sun and all the other planets, and.
Speaker 1: How fast we're all moving.
Speaker 4: We're all moving together through the galaxy. Is circulating, orbiting
the galaxy. We've actually as the Sun has gone around
the galaxy about twenty times since we re formed four
points a billion years ago. All right, it takes like
two hundred and thirty years so million years to go
around the galaxy once. And as the comment is moving,
it's moving within our solar system, so it's been going
around with us as well. But it's coming down and
the Sun catches it with its gravity and it's whipping
around the Sun, and now it's heading on its way
back out. It won't be back for eighty thousand years.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll be around, we'll set a plate for it,
you know, wait, we'll wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so cool, that whole, that whole.
Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated by this. Like the Earth is spinning
at is it like nine hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 4: Or about a thousand miles an hour at the equator?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't feel a thing. Yeah right, Oh
that's the.
Speaker 4: And then that that was there was a famous money
python thing. Oh yes, Eric idolsing.
Speaker 2: Just remember that it's got nine hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 1: It opens forty miles a second. Yeah yeah, sort's reckoned.
Speaker 5: Yeeah, yeah, I love that. That was fun funny.
Speaker 4: I got to speak at Accomplience in Dembrey, Connecticut, and
the curator at dan Bray Library is a good friend
of Eric Idols.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah wow, So I.
Speaker 4: Said I'll do the talk if Eric's.
Speaker 5: Going to be there, you know, yeah, yeah, fun guys.
Speaker 4: But tonight, if people are available at nine thirty tonight
Eastern time on our channel which is at YouTube, and
it's Skytour one word live stream one word or just
look up my name, Mark D'Antonio right there. You can
see it right there. Okay, uh. Skyter live stream is
written out there too. You can look that up on YouTube.
You'll find our channel and we'll be live at nine
thirty and we're going to show you the comment again. Yeah,
you're going to see that it's moving through the sky,
which shows us right that the universe is dynamic. The
universe is showing movement. We see stars move too. It
just takes more months in between views to see that
with a comment, it's minutes.
Speaker 2: Well you think just before I let you go. Yeah,
And this is a hypothetical. I know scientists never like
the hypotheticals, but you almost have to be hypothetical when
you're talking about the universe. Do you think that the
web will actually discover that we're older than the thirteen
point eight billion years that we think we are.
Speaker 4: That is a that's a distinct possibility, and it could
be that the universe is a lot older than we thought,
and that's to be worked out, and cosmologists will do it.
I will say this though, the web is onto something
when it comes to the search for life, and I
know even people see things on YouTube about oh, there's
lights found on Proximately No, there haven't been.
Speaker 1: That's techno signatures, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now we're talking about a potential for a techno signature
that's right from a distant planet Proxima B. However, we
have to understand that that could also be cell phones
causing the problem. So now what they're trying to do
separate all the sources and make sure before they actually
make a real announcement about whether there's a technology signature
seen from Proxima B or whether it was a bleed
of some of our cell phone technology through satellites and stuff.
So we have to be careful with that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, what about the I want to call it
the BC DASH one signal, there's a lot of talk
about that lately developments or.
Speaker 1: Is it BC DASH five about there's some type.
Speaker 2: Of white paper that was recently written by some science
program that's actually distinguished that they they're they're passing it
off to NASA and to see where they'll go with it.
But at least it's being looked at Yeah, that was so.
That happened in twenty nineteen. That's all I know about
it as.
Speaker 4: Far as and it caught the same time for real
data to make it to the light of day, because
there's a process called peer review that we go through
in science where you have to redo the experiment several
times from different groups to make sure they get the
same result. That's why science is so definitive when it
finally makes a statement, because it's been tested several times
with different groups, not the same biases, all different setups,
all different technologies that confirm the same finding. I didn't
want to mention this too. The James Web may have
found life already easy on one of the other planets
that it was actually an original Kepler planet. They found
a component in the atmosphere of an exoplanet, it's planet
around another star called that methyl sulfide. If confirmed, that
methyl sulfide means undoubtedly that there's probably life. I say probably,
it means undoubtedly that there's probably life there because on Earth,
the only source of dimethylsul fight on Earth is life
in the ocean, and it's technically known as the smell
of the sea, and it's that stink when the tide
is out, oh metal Sulfi, so everybody knows the stink.
Yeah right, But we'll talk comments tonight at nine thirty
Eastern if you if folks want to join, and it's
at our you can find us at skyterlive dot org.
You can find us at a skyter live stream on YouTube.
As I say, right here, okay, you can find us
there and we will start at nine thirty and join.
It's free, it's all free. You can get the images
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server which you can get at from our our website,
our portal, which is skyter live dot org. So it's
a lot of fun nine thirty tonight, if everybody can
go there.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Mark, take care, good to talk
to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys. We'll see you later, have a big talk.
Jim's a great guy. I can't wait the year's block.
Speaker 2: Yeah you bet, take care. All right, here we go, Jim,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for having me. I really appreciated Martin.
Great to be here, a great act to follow. Mark
very knowledgeable in all of the in the night sky.
I did want to say something because you had mentioned.
Speaker 3: That that possible breakthrough, and I remember this because we
talked about this on one of my shows a couple
of weeks ago, and I just checked it out.
Speaker 5: It's BLC one, that's what you were referring. And as
you said, they picked it up in twenty nineteen, they
thought it was interference or something, and now they're, as
Mark said, they're taking another look at it. So yeah, interesting.
I think we live in interesting times. It seems like
a lot of different things are going on in the
UFO subject.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, you know, it's an exciting time.
Speaker 2: And you know, we both saw you know, you started
long before me, but we both saw all the changes
and that happened, and then it came to, you know,
December twenty seventeen, and all of a sudden, people starting
not to laugh so much at longer.
Speaker 5: You know. It's funny because a few years before that,
I had gone to a local event with a UFO
group and very nice people, where there was a speaker
of some note I won't say who it was, and
he was great, but I was looking around the room
and I was probably this might have been ten years ago,
not eight or nine years ago. And at that point
I was in my mid forties, and I'm like, you know,
I'm not exactly a spring chicken. But I just brought
the age of the whole audience down by twenty years.
And that's not to cast dispersions, because we're all getting older.
But my concern was the UFO subject was going to
die out, like the interest was going to go away,
because the people who were the keepers of the flame
and good people, you know, they were aging out. But
now I think with the revelations, as you rightfully said
from twenty seventeen and the tic Tec video and the
revelations from people like Luis Elzondo and David Grush and
so forth, and the various military pilots and officers, it's
given a whole new life and I think we're in
a very exciting time. I don't think that we should
assume the disclosure is a fade a complaint by means,
because I still think they're powerful forces that want to
keep things quiet. But I think that at least we've
got a fighting chance now to get more information. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've said this a number of times on my show
because I think it's kind of funny to reflect on that.
I've watched it was a video on YouTube and it
was people being interviewed about UFOs and I think it
was nineteen fifty five, and there was a guy with
a derby and and he was, you know, he had
to be in the sixties at that point, and he said,
I just want to live long enough to know what
these things are. And then I thought, well, that just
put things into perspective.
Speaker 5: Well, I felt that way. And when I started, I was,
you know, a lot younger than I am now, and
I'm wondering, well I ever get to see the truth.
I'm not too sure that I will, but we can
always hope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I often think, and I probably said this enough
times on the show as well, but I often think
that that not even the best of us, and I'm
talking about maybe in the government or military or whatever,
even the best probably doesn't know at all maybe a
little part of it, right, And because of that, you know,
how much are we going.
Speaker 1: To get to know?
Speaker 5: That's a good because if they can't.
Speaker 2: If they can't, you know, say they well it's nothing
to worry about, or we can defend you or whatever
it is. Then why say anything at all, you know,
you know, by force, they're saying a little more than
they probably want to. But I mean, you know, we
are seeing some for the first time situations. I think
you know that are exciting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm interested in those hearings next month. It's
curious they come right after the election. I don't know
if that's intentional or not intentional. The timing's kind of interesting.
And I'd be watching that very closely. And good for
you if you get to go to it, because it
sounds like it'll be fascinating. But I hope they do
a little better than they did last time. I think
would they give them the afternoon, they didn't give a
lot of time to.
Speaker 1: Oh, we started. I actually was there in the room.
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to be in one of the
thirty seats. I was a second to last person that
Chris Ledo was a second one, I mean the last one.
My producer DOWNA and I And anyway, we got in
just barely, and we got there at five point forty
in the morning, and lots of people cut in line,
and it was quite quite a situation, but we made
it in the door. But I do believe that there
were many people saying that that was the largest attendance
of anything they had in years and years. So I
believe a lot of interest, and I'd like to know
where it's going to be held this time coming because
I bet they're going to make more accommodations for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would hope, So it would be a great thing.
It would be a great thing to see, and I
applaud And this is one of the few times I
think you see some bipartisan operation, which is kind of
an ironic thing. You've got on one side, Kristin Jillibrand
on the other side, Mark or Rubio, you have Representative Burchette,
and you have Representative Moskowitz. Of course, Chuck Schumer tried
to champion that bill in the Senate. So I mean,
it's kind of nice to see both sides of the
aisle working together on something.
Speaker 2: They absolutely work totally together. AOC and math math gates.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which seems like impossible, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem possible, but it was. It was pretty awesome.
I'm sure people are seeing you little I just love
you a little jellyfish in the background there.
Speaker 5: The jellyfish steal the show every time. I could. I
could sit here and say the most profound thing you've
ever heard, and people would say, not that I do.
But even if I did, they would say, tell me
about the jellyfish. But I love the jellyfish. If I
didn't love them, they wouldn't be there. Now they're they're great,
and then they're always they're always listening. I hope they've
learned a lot about UFOs and ghosts and things over
the last few years.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Also one things that really do look like aliens, jellyfish
and yeah, the cuttlefish.
Speaker 5: They all look like well some people believe that they're real,
and they said, do you really think that I would
put poor little creatures in such a confined space. Come on,
you don't want to see it. Yeah, but they but
they look really real.
Speaker 1: They do. Yeah, they're pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: So you started in two thousand and five, which is
almost unheard of when it comes to podcasts. I started
my Yeah, I started my Antique one in two thousand
and nine, and it was so difficult, we're talking ahead
of the show, to find someone to create a website
than the RSS feed and all these different things you
have to do to make it go into Apple and
oh boy was that difficult. So you've but you've had
this thing going ever since then. You've I know, you
took a little break for a little while and you
came back. I believe, right, did you?
Speaker 5: I take it in tiny, tiny, little break, but not
that much. The Paranormal Podcast started in two thousand and five,
and I still produce that show to this day. So
that's interviews. That's where I do a lot of the
UFO stuff with you know UFO people you would know
Leslie Kane, Stan Friedan's been on the show, Jacques la
I mean, I've had some really you know, heavy hitters
on the UFO side, But I also interview people about ghosts.
And I just released a show to day is We're
we're streaming this on demons. So it's wide. When I
say paranormal to me, that's a very wide definition. And
then probably my most and that show I did every year.
I've done episodes on that, but six oh seven it
was a little more sporadic. Oh eight, I really started
in every week cadence. But as far as I know,
that show, The Paranormal Podcast is the longest running paranormal
podcast on the internet. Other people started shortly after me
or people started before me but they quit. And of
course Coast to Coast A. M. Has been doing it
for decades on the radio and before that long John
Memal and you know, it's not an original, it's not
an original. Five and then probably my most popular show
though I started in two thousand and nine, and that's
Jim Harrold's Campfire. Yeah, and I have a series of
six Yeah, And that's basically people who call in who
have strange stories. And it could be ghosts, it could
be cryptic creatures, it could be We do have some
UFO stories certainly, and just real people calling in telling
their real stories of things that they've experienced. And we
have a number of other shows, but folks can check
that out at the website Jimharreld dot com. But those
are the main Those are the main too.
Speaker 2: Yes, like we were talking about off off air, I
love talking to people with original stories now you just
meet or whatever, and to me, they're so fascinating because
they have no real interests. I mean, I had a
guy that I interviewed one time and talked to him
about his sighting and he said he didn't care at
all about anything. It didn't even face him, you know,
and I think it's a weird reaction, but people all
different people react differently to whatever it is. But anyway,
the real stories that happen to people that are unexplainable,
you know, or there's so many of them, and it
just makes me wonder, you know, how many things are
going on that we have no clue around us all
the time, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, well, I think that's the key. You know.
There's an old quote that I just ran into in
the last six months, but I think it kind of
you know, people say, well, what have you learned and
so forth in almost twenty years of doing this, And
the truth is, I don't really know if I've learned
any explanations because I kind of to what you were saying.
I don't think anybody has the full explanation for any
of this. But I I think this quote kind of
encapsulates my thoughts after almost twenty years. And it's not
original quote for me. It's some way way back in
history said it, and it is, uh, not only is
the universe stranger than you imagine, but the universe is
stranger than you can imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I heard that quote.
Speaker 5: It's and I think that kind of says about the
best I've ever heard it, because you think about it,
ultra violet light. You know, centuries ago people didn't know
ultravit violent light existed. But there it is. It's here.
You know, there could be beings in our very mist.
There could be one write in this chair over next
to me, and I wouldn't know it. Maybe I can't
see it. I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not.
And I used to be one of these people. And
I hear this from a lot of people who go
down this road, whether it's writing books or doing radio
shows or podcasts or TV shows or becoming investigators, that
they started off with very definite ideas. You know, you know,
UFOs are explicable partially by the ones that we can't
explain through military experimentation or hoaxes or whatever, which is
a percentage of them. Certainly that they're extraterrestrials. And that's
always the way that I felt, And now it's like
I've opened up my mind to yeah, they might be extraterrestrials,
and or they might be so terrestrials. You look at
things that like trans medium craft, and that's going to
make you think, Okay, if these things are going down
into the ocean, where are they going? Is that where
they're coming from or is it some kind of a base,
or is it interdimensional? Is there a time slip aspect?
Because scientists say, despite what we all think, you know,
time is certainly linear, it's certainly not so in a way,
doing this for twenty years almost has made me more
confused than when I started. Yeah, but more convinced that
something is really going on. If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely to me, because I feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I really do. I say things very similar to that.
Speaker 2: And you know when you said time slip, you know,
and you can really, you know, go deep into this
whole type of thing. But if something was a fraction
of a second different, if there was, what is that
is that another reality has had another dimension?
Speaker 5: We don't know that. You know, scientists talk about the multiverse,
the idea that in every you know, there's an idea
out there that maybe there's every possible permutation of our lives.
That's that kind of blows my mind. But maybe in
another multi verse. I'm interviewing you on my show podcast
UFO about your show Martin's Campfire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 5: Yet welcome, Welcome to the campfire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what you know, you've been added a long time.
And I always like to ask this question of everyone
and what started your fascination with these type of topics.
Speaker 5: I blame Leonard nimoy Ah. I'm sure you've heard that
a time or two. Yeah, in search of and then
there were some great family stories. There was one great
Ufo family story which I'm glad to share with you,
which was a big influence on me.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 5: And then also you know, later on things like unsolved mysteries,
and of course could never get enough of the books.
I'd always go to the library or the bookstore and
there wouldn't be enough paranormal books. So anyway, I had
gone to school and graduated from college in the early
nineties with the idea of going probably into television, and
just ended up getting a job at the first broadcast
outlet that I could get, which was a local radio station,
and became a sales assistant and then fell into sales.
You know. A dozen years later, two thousand and five,
I look up and said, I guess that whole TV
in front of the camera thing is gone because now
I've got a wife, two kids, mortgage. But I heard
of this thing called podcasting. I'm like, well, at least
if I can't podcast professionally or broadcast professionally, I'm working
behind the scenes. I can do this for fun. And
I did have knowledge of raating because I had worked
in radio for the better part of a dozen years.
So I decided to start a podcast just as a hobby,
and absolutely shockingly, it became several years later, my full
time job in twenty twelve, and it's been what I've
been doing full time ever since. So feel very blessed,
very blessed to do it.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's hear about the family, the family siding
or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, anyway, this had to be around nineteen seventy.
I think it was aboutdy I was basically a baby,
probably about a year old, and my family was originally
from West Virginia and they went and visited my I
mean I was from Ohio. My parents met up here
in Cleveland, got married in Cleveland, lived in Cleveland. I've
lived in Cleveland my whole life, but my family would
always go back every summer and visit, you know, Grandpa
and Grandma, West Virginia. So this particular year they visited
the three of us, and they dropped off baby Jimmy
to Grandma, and they drove out to this secluded area. Now, Martin,
I don't want to know why they drove off to
that secluded area. Actually that's more information than I need.
But so my dad was in his big sixty eight
buickless saber, which I remember is huge land yacht. Anyway,
him and my mom were parked at this place, and
my dad said, and my mom corroborated every detail this
story except for one which I'll share. The whole sky
lit up for something like sixty seconds so brightly. And
this is in West Virginia, you know, off the beaten
path road, dirt road. You know, when it's dark down there,
it is dark, no light pollution, no lights, nothing. So
the whole skylights up for about sixty seconds. And my
dad said he could read the numbers on you know,
the big speedometers he used to have on the cars,
and the analog clocks. He could read all of it,
just like it was pure day. He said. He looked
to his left and he saw what he called a
man with a welding mask with his handheld up and
then they decided to get it out of there. Now,
my mom did not see the man with the welding mask,
And as they drove out, my mom said, now, my
dad's still with us. He's eighty nine years old, still
tells the exact same story. My mom unfortunately has passed.
But my mom, I'll try to give you a flavor
of her West Virginia accent. She said, Man, Jimmy, I
saw the biggest birds I've ever seen in my life
on the bank of that heel with a huge wingspan,
several birds what they described as words. They left. He fully,
my dad said, he fully expected to hear something the
next day in the news about some kind of explosion something.
Never heard another thing of it again. Now years later,
doing an interview with Mike clelland I'm sure you're familiar
with him the messengers about owls, and it occurred to
me just something clicked while he was telling me that
story that it's like, wow, it's uh maybe it was
a screen memory, you know. And again, my dad was
a steel worker, right not you know, trying to get
in touch with the oneness of the universe, you know,
it doesn't have pyramids under his bed, very grounded, salt
of the earth. My mom is what they used to
call homemakers, stay at home mom, same thing. You know.
My dad had some interest in these subjects. He would
watch in search of or something when it was on,
but nothing, you know, nothing like now and like people
are obsessed like me. And it was the same exact
story my whole life, and it's never changed. And I
could call him up right now and have him tell
me this story and it would be exactly the same.
And I believe him. Yeah, I have had him on
campfire before, and in fact, i've had him on campfire
and in fact, when I go give a live talk
sometimes I'll play a clip and my headlines, how did
I get like this? And there's another family, great ghost story.
But the point is is that my dad is just
one example. I'll give you another example, which is kind
of a really neat one, and you may even be
familiar with this case. So anyway, I had this professor
in broadcasting school early nineties, like ninety ninety one. He
was the best professor I ever had, fantastic, a total
expert in broadcasting, and in fact, I credit him with
being able to do largely what I've been able to
do from things I learned in his classes thirty three
thirty four years ago. But anyway, so one day he
came in he'd been in the Air Force, and he
told this story, and he actually had our engineer videotape it.
So he went into the studio and stood in front
of a blackboard so he could illustrate it, and had
him rolling tape and master control, and he told the
story where he had been an Air Force officer in
the early nineteen sixties. I think it was Big Sir, California. Oh,
and he was doing a miss they were doing a
missile test. He was a film officer. Yes, you know
the story the other but I'll finish because there's a
little twist. So anyway, he said that they were filming
the filming the test, and basically a rocket went up
right and then into the frame. Well, first of all,
they did the they did the test and everything came
out good as far as they could tell the film
officer because they're like thirty miles away or whatever. So anyway,
they turned into film or whatever. And then he's called
into his commanding officer's office and basically his commanding offer says,
what the hell were you good guys doing? What is this?
And he plays it and when he sees his the
missile go up and something comes up and I'm you know,
I'm paraphrasing, but something comes up next to it and
injects what I think he called the plasma beam into
it four different ways and it disintegrated, and basically his
commanding officer and there are two guys in suits in
the room that he doesn't recognize. He says, what the
hell were you guys doing? What kind of you know,
were what was going on? Were you monking around wherever?
He said, sir, I have no idea what this is.
As far as we know, we got the test. Everything
was good. That was it. We turned the film in.
He said, this did not happen. You will not speak
of this, and he never ever heard of it again.
And then eventually, years later he he told his story.
And I was doing an interview with Robert Hastings, you
know Hastings, and he started describing the story and I'm like,
in the middle, he's in the middle of the story.
I'm like, sir, are you talking about Bob Jacobs.
Speaker 2: Yes, Bob Jacobs always Bob Jacobs.
Speaker 1: Bob Jacobs was your professor.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my goodness, I know we had a PhD.
Speaker 5: Yeah. He was a great professor, a fantastic professor. And
the the irony that I ended up, you know, I
always had an interest in the paranormal, the irony that
years later I would end up doing shows on these
very topics and interview somebody who and and there's a
great clip out there on YouTube, but sometimes it's a
little hard to find, but I've found it several times
of the years where Bob Jacobs was on Larry King
Live with I believe, I believe it was Robert Sallis,
I don't know. Stanton Friedman was there and Bill Ny
the science guy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that one. Yeah, And it was
such a critic.
Speaker 5: And condescending and again he skeptical to a point, but
he was just kind of poo pooing what doctor Jacobs
was saying. Means Bob let him have it, and he.
Speaker 1: Know they almost got into a brawl.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know what happened. Who had that technology in
nineteen sixty blah blah blah. Did the Russians have it?
Did we have it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: And he was. You know what, He's absolutely right, and
I believe him one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had him slated for a show.
Something came up.
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have talked to him about
that whole situation. That's really amazing, amazing someone wanted to know.
Let me just see if I can find it here. Jim,
can you please share your family's Mothman story.
Speaker 5: Well, that's really kind of the thing that I'm People
may be thinking of it as Mothman.
Speaker 1: The birds were alone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the birds, that's the that's the I don't know
if you just missed it, but I just told that story.
The weird thing was, now that was in West Virginia.
That was in a different part of West Virginia, but
it was not too far removed chronologically. We're talking probably
nineteen seventy I figure seventy one seventy from the Mofman
sidings in the sixty seven era. Now Point Pleasant is
quite a ways away from where my dad was from.
My dad was from up by the Maryland border, so
he's up in the little crook up in West Virginia
where they kind of Maryland dips in. So it's a
different part of the state. He's up here and they're
down there. It looks the opposite something like that. But anyway,
but still, you know, there have been I think Offman
type sightings in that whole general kind of Ohio Valley area.
So I often wondered, did my parents see Mothman? And
the thing was, I mean, you could have asked my
both my parents who is John Keel and they wouldn't
have the slightest idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, now they're talking in sightings in the
Chicago area.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely. We even had somebody on campfire who
reported seeing something almost look like a gargoyle. I think
she reported, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those those figures that people have been talking about
for centuries. Yes, you know, amazing. I just want to
say hi to people in the chat. Thank you for
being here. Alive, Mary Grace, Hello, Bim, Jim Roger, Murray
Rene always here, Jay Hall, Good to see you. Jay's
actually got me a very good guest at one point,
So good to see you Jay and all that. Just
see if there's Stargazer, I'm not sure if I remember you,
but welcome Valiant Loki not.
Speaker 1: Still what was it Valiant four?
Speaker 2: Was that guy at the White rebber, that story Valiant
four supposed to the alien that supposedly showed up. But anyway,
thank you all for being here alive. But no, that's
that's really great that I can don't believe. Bob Jacobs says,
who you were talking about? That's really amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was such, It was like such serendipity. I mean,
what are the chances, what are the chances? Maybe it
was all meant to be. I don't know, maybe, you know,
maybe in a way his story helped inspire me too
to do this. I mean, it just added to the fascination.
And that's the thing is that, you know, the skeptics say, well,
you know, anecdotal stories or that. But the thing is
is that there are people in our lives who we trust, right.
My parents are those people. Bob is one of those people.
And I don't think they make it up. Now, could
it in some case be? Now? I don't see how
Bob stories of misinterpretation. What happened happened? My parents, I
don't know. I mean, they didn't say it was aliens,
they didn't say it was mothman. They didn't claim anything.
They just claimed here's what we saw. I mean, I
don't even necessarily think they. My dad describe as a
man in a welding mask. To me, it would be
like an et you know, that would be where my
mind would go.
Speaker 2: And his his thinking also as a steel worker.
Speaker 1: That's me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he went there, Yeah, exactly as that.
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you on you know, this
is almost the Halloween time, so I'm going to just
ask you a question. Really, can you cite one of
your call ins at the Campfire and the Campfire Podcast
that you think was a real, real, incredible ghost or
whatever it is, politegeist or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: Do you have one?
Speaker 5: Probably the story that I think is the most Twilight
Zoni is not a traditional ghost story, but I'll tell
you I probably told this on hundreds of shows.
Speaker 1: That's all right, so anybody's.
Speaker 5: Heard this, but I will tell you this is an
amazing story. So this is called and if anybody's listening
or watching, who listens or watches to my shows, you
I've heard this one. It's called the Roadhouse Salon and
this happened up in Wisconsin. My caller who called this
in probably around twenty eleven something like that or twenty twelve,
Her name is Ti, and basically she would She's from Michigan,
but every summer her and her family would go up
to this camp in Wisconsin and spend some time this campground.
So this one night, her and a friend from the
campground decided that they wanted to go and they wanted
to check out this band about an hour away and
they were playing in the bar. So they drove up
there about an hour and they closed the bar down
because they're also musicians, and they got to talking after
the show with the guys and talking about gigs and
different stuff. So they're headed back home or back to
the campground. You know, it's a three in the morning.
So they're driving back at these rural roads, super dark,
two lane roads, you can kind of picture it, and
t I tells Bob, her friend. She says, Bob, you know,
I think I've got to go to the restroom. And
he kind of looks at her and says, well, unless
you want to pull up a tree, I don't know
exactly where you're gonna go, and she said, that's okay,
just drive fast. So anyway, they go about ten minutes
down the road and they see this bar and the
joint is jumping, there's cars in the lot, there's neon signs,
there's a little bit of bump bump thump of the music,
and they're like, wait, it's after three o'clock. This place
isn't supposed to be open. But they don't look a
gift horse in the mouth. They go in and Bob says,
you know, I'm really glad we're here because there's this
mural that's like a local legend here of like the
Old West, and it's on this whole wall of like
cowboys and all this different stuff. It's like a barroom scene.
I've always wanted to see it, so we finally got
to see it. So the people when they come in,
they're kind of smiling, kind of like kind of weird,
kind of like hi, Hi. You know, it's just kind
of bizarre. So anyway, t I goes the restroom, Bob
goes to the bar and gets him a couple of
soft drinks, and Ti comes back and they're looking at
this this mural and talking about the place. And this
guy goes over to this Woolitzer jukebox and it's the
old bubbler style and this is back some years ago.
So Vinyl had gone out of style. It's not, you know,
not like it has its come back now. But at
that point, all the jukeboxes were CD jukebox, but not
this one. This was the old school vinyl bubbler Wolitzer Beautiful.
And this guy goes over jukebox puts on Chubby Checkers.
Let's twist again. So anyway, they're talking about the painting
and everything. This guy walks over to Ti and he
smiles and he has a mouthful of rotten teeth, and
he said, want to dance? And t I had a cane.
She walks with a cane, so she held up the
cane and said, I don't do much dancing. She said
she was glad to have that cane that day. So anyway,
just the place is just kind of weird. And they
noticed something even weirder. They noticed that all the figures
in the painting are actually reflected by the clientele. There's
a lady standing by the bar, basically the same lady
excepting what they used to call dance hall girl clothing
in the painting. Guys at the pool table in the
real bar are playing cards in the painting. And this
goes through and through and everybody they see and t
I goes up and was talking to the bartender and said, hey,
are these the same people? And the bartender just kind
of goes and just smiles. So anyway, they thought that
was weird. So she sits back down. They talk, and
then they noticed something in the painting that they never
noticed before. See, this is like an old West saloon.
And remember the old Westerns with the swinging doors, and
the guy would come in and said, I want to
see bart I want to have a showdown. Well, anyway,
there were those kind of doors. Now, when they originally
saw the painting, it was just the doors, but they
noticed two misty columns developing, and they couldn't figure it out.
It was like, what in the world is that? And
they looked and it developed a little bit more like
a polaroid picture, and the one was taller, one was larger.
And they looked a little more and one's a man
and one's a woman. And then t I realizes the
woman has curly hair. She has curly hair. She realized
the woman has cowboy boots. She has cowboy boots. But
the kicker was when she noticed the woman had a cane.
Speaker 1: The heck out of there.
Speaker 5: They got that. Well, that's not the end of it.
They did get the heck out there. When they they
they left, the people were kind of like, come back,
come back, So they leave, close the door. Everything goes
pitch black. The place looks like it had not been opened.
All the lights were out. And when they went to
the parking lot there was not plural cars. There was
one car. Now TI is much braver than me, so
a couple of nights later, I think it might have
been her sister, I'm not sure, or a friend. She said,
I'm going back to check this place out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: She didn't wait till three o'clock in the morning. She
went about eight o'clock at night. But they went to
check it out. And they got there and they looked around.
The mural was there. There were no misty figures though
in the doorway like there was. That kind of got
them out of there. There was a juke box, but
it was not a will It's Er juke box. It
was a modern for the day CD juke box. Andro
by the way, no Chubby her on it. And then
t I goes up to the bartender, who is a
young woman, and she said, you know, I was here
the other night it was such and such time, and
there was this young, good looking strapping you know, a bartender,
and the woman kind of looks at her kind of
quizzically and says, well, first of all, we're closed, long
closed by that time. Secondly, the only people attend bar
in this place are me and my elderly father. And
that was the end of the story. For a while,
I felt so strongly about that story that I contacted
Ti and in twenty nineteen, pre pandemic, I drove up
to Michigan and actually did a video interview with her
and got to meet her and her husband. I don't
want to expose any more information I should, but she
was a very respected profession pillar of the community. I
think she since retired. I believed her when she told
me the story of the phone. I believe her more now,
and I think she actually did end up going back
one more time and checking it out with some friends
and family later on. Now this place actually exists because
I have a video on my YouTube channel, Jim Harold
dot COM's Lash YouTube, and she tells her story and
we actually thanks to Chad Lewis. I don't know if
you know Chad Lewis. He is a cryptid investigator up
in the Midwest there I think God of Wisconsin. Chad's
a great guy. He actually went to this place and
took pictures. So this place existed. Now I don't know
it's current status. I know, pre pandemic, it was open.
I called them and tried to get to talk to somebody,
and nobody ever returned my calls. They probably thought, why
are you sending all these people our way? You know,
maybe it's a good thing. I don't know, but and
then I know. It also got spit a spotline on
another podcast that I let know about the story, and
they reached out and talked to Tia, a huge podcast
called Spooked. And you know, it's kind of taken on
legendary status in our little community, but it's probably my
favorite all time story. Is it fantastic? Absolutely no question.
Do I believe it happened? Yes? What is it? I
asked the question, I have no clue.
Speaker 2: It almost seems look when you say twilight Zone, yeah
that's a good description. Yeah, but it almost seems like
a time thing.
Speaker 5: Right, alternate version of this bar or And she said
what t I said, And I think this is a
good point. She said, people go missing all the time,
and what if they hadn't gotten out there, would have
they been somehow captured by this bar? And she said
maybe people thought that she ran if she had gone missing,
that she ran off with Bob or who knows what happened.
So she was glad she got out of there. Would
she let me ask you this?
Speaker 2: Did she notice anything different about time? In other words,
when she got home that night, did it seem like
a normal time? Do you know what she mentioned?
Speaker 5: She never indicated that there was any time, missing time
or anything like that. Probably a really good follow up
that I probably didn't ask. Maybe I did, it's been
quite a few years, but not that I recall no
missing time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's fascinating. That's quite a story.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And I mean again, if I hadn't seen her
face to face and really spent some quality time with her,
I might be more skeptical. But it's like, hm, I
I believe her. I believe her.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I guess what about call ins for UFOs?
You say you get them every nome?
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I have a one of my
books here. This is my I've done six of these,
but this is my second, and it had some UFO
stories in it, and I thought you might ask. So
I thought that I thought that I might let's see
if this one, this might be a good one.
Speaker 2: Now are these stories that because I have thought about
doing this, and this is maybe what you have done,
And that is I've thought about getting some of my
past guests with unique stories on to basically tell their
story and create a book.
Speaker 5: Out of it. That's exactly what I've done. I've done
it six times.
Speaker 1: Thought it wouldn't be my invention.
Speaker 5: Well, no, believe me, nothing is original, nothing is original,
so you wouldn't hurt my feelings. This was from Rich
in New Jersey and this is probably the very early
days of the podcast and it's a short story, but
it's kind of cool. He said. After I began listening
to the Campfire podcast, I start talking to my family
about the paranormal and UFOs. My mother told me the
story that my grandfather and great grandfather had experienced way
back in nineteen thirty nine or forty wow. One night
on the old family farm and County, Illinois. They were
both riding in a single horse drawn carriage going down
a dirt road. Suddenly it looked as though there were
two car headlights coming at them, but they were, as
my grandfather explained, like fireballs or orbs of light. They
came down the road right at them, almost collided, and
then one broke left and one broke right. They took
off over the carriage and over the hills. They made
no noise. My grandfather was a real assault of the
earth guy and outdoorsman. He'd go into the woods and
hunt and kill snakes. He wouldn't really have any reason
to make anything like this up. And from what they
told me, these things came so close to them that
they actually were brushed back in the carriage. There was
definitely something there. Very very short story, but my goodness.
What is the one officer you would know? That reminds
me a little bit of the officer who's car was
somewhat mangled and destroyed.
Speaker 2: Was it Johnson that was in the Midwest somewhere and
the car still exists?
Speaker 5: Well, I know it's in a museum or something in
a museum.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just can't think of this.
Speaker 5: His name's Johnson, I think, but I'm not sure of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his son was talking for a while. I was
trying to get his son on this show to talk
to him about that whole situation. Yeah, that one, that
one was something, and yeah, I love it. I love
I love stories like that, you know, because that's very unusual.
Speaker 1: And you take nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 2: A lot of people, you know, just take for granted
that they think nineteen forty seven on is the age
of modern UFOs, when the other happening.
Speaker 5: The other thing I love about that is that we're
kind of tainted now, right, even if we're honest and
we're truthful people, we are influenced by popular culture. Yes,
these people nineteen thirty nine, nineteen four, maybe the most
they heard was A War of the World in nineteen
thirty eight with Orson Wells. Oh yeah, So I mean
to have accounts from way back then when people weren't
quote poisoned by popular culture tainted. I think that's very valuable, right.
Speaker 2: I remember having a friend of mine, well, I say
loosely more of an acquaintance, but Roger and Iguard, filmmaker.
He did something on the Trekkies which was really fun.
But anyway, he was on my show and he basically
said that you know how people like to paint with
the broad brushstroke, it's all pop culture. That's why everyone
you know, he was a skeptic of right UFOs and
so he was just basically saying that it's all pop culture.
Speaker 5: Well I don't believe that, but I do think we're influenced. Sure,
I think we are influenced, and I think it's sometimes
harder to tease things out because that, through no fault
of Rome, we've lived in our whole lot.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to pull up your website here and
so that is Jim Harrold dot com.
Speaker 5: And yeah, if you go to home, that'll give you
the front page. If you hit home there, that'll give
people really the home Yeah, picture the home page. Yeah yeah, yeah.
If you click on home right there where it says home,
that'll give them what the front page looks like. All right,
let's see here we go right there you go, here,
there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, it's been a real pleasure. The hour went
by rather fast. Some great graphics you have here.
Speaker 5: Too, Thank you, thank you, and I hope everybody can
check it out. You can find Jim Harold's Campfire and
the Paranormal Podcast on YouTube and wherever you listen to
your podcast, and of course at Jimharld dot com and Martin,
thank you so much. I really appreciate it. It's been
a lot of fun. It's an honor to have been
on your show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure
to have you on. And I might just have to
give me one of those jellyfish lamps. All right, you
take care, thank you. All right, everyone, So we'll be
back next week with Chris Wolford, and just keep in
mind we may be going to Washington, DC.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure yet. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: We don't really know exactly if that's going to happen
or not, or the exact date. So it's awful hard
to plan for that and to go at such short
notice that it may end up being. But we'll certainly
give it a try to be there again and be
in the room if we can again if possible. Thanks
so much everyone, and remember to keep your eyes to
the sky.