WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.799 It's eight o seven. Now here's Nightside with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:09.599 It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm de Bezy Boston 3 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:10.400 News Radio. 4 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:16.519 Wait a second, Cherry, did I hear that score correctly? Hi? Sherry, welcome? 5 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:21.199 Yeah and uh yeah. Now it's thirteen to one, bottom 6 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:23.440 of the third in Florida. 7 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.800 Not a great night for the Socks so far though, 8 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:28.519 still goodness. 9 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:31.640 Thirteen to one. I mean, you know when you said 10 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.520 that their Dampa Bay's in the lead in the bottom 11 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:37.520 of the third, I'm thinking one nothing, maybe two nothing, 12 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:40.640 but thirteen to one. Whoa, yeah, we're in the dark. 13 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:43.840 Welcome to the night shift here. Okay. I hope you 14 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.840 got to hear your voice. Great to hear yours as well. 15 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.479 Thanks so much for keeping us posted throughout the night. 16 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.520 You you do the live reports now at the top 17 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:54.079 of the hour at eight nine and no, Dan, we'll 18 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:57.359 be back. Well that's excellent. That way you're going to 19 00:00:57.399 --> 00:00:59.119 be keeping us up to date as to what's going 20 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.520 on around. Thank you so much, Ry, appreciating all right, 21 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:05.400 good evening, everybody. Welcome on in on. Dan rayam the 22 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.640 host of Nightside Nightside with Dan Ray, the aptly named program. 23 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.079 Rob Brooks, the producer of this program is back in 24 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:14.760 the control room at Broadcast Central, and without any further ado, 25 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.840 I want to get to my first guest tonight, who 26 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:21.959 is an institution in Boston. That does not mean he's old, 27 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.280 he's just very, very influential. He is. His name is 28 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:30.079 John Spooner, but not only is he a financial advisor 29 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:35.120 of great success, but he's also an author of thirteen books. So, 30 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:38.000 John Spooner, my first question is where do you find 31 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.239 the time to do it? Number one? I mean that 32 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:43.400 seriously as someone who spends his entire day trying to 33 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.680 figure out a little four hour radio show five nights 34 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:48.439 a week. Where do you get the energy? 35 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:52.719 Well, well, maybe it's running down a little bit. But 36 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.640 originally I stout out English major in college, wanted to 37 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:02.840 be a novelist, and I had family pressure to go 38 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:09.400 into the investment business, knowing that sooner or later when 39 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:12.879 my first book came out. Not if it was when 40 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.120 my first book came out, I would be out of 41 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:19.080 there and quit. But I was in the business for 42 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:21.879 about three years before my first book was bought by 43 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:25.960 Little Brown, which was a novel was basically a Catcher 44 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.560 in the rye on Wall Street, that wasn't the title. 45 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:34.039 But by the time that happened, I've made this great discovery. 46 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:36.960 Because I was horrible in math. I was allowed to 47 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:42.000 waive second year algebra in high school and probably flunked 48 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:47.840 the SATs. But I realized after three years in abiz that, 49 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.639 you know what I really believe. It's not about math. 50 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:57.439 It's about human nature, fear and greed specifically, and every 51 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.599 time things were bad there was a bear market or 52 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:03.439 people were scared. You should have been a buyer, not 53 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:07.560 a seller, and that fear and greed dictated, in my view, 54 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:13.960 eighty percent of market movements is emotional and twenty percent reality. 55 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.759 And I thought, you know, the only thing I know 56 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:19.680 anything about is human nature, because I always thought it 57 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:24.400 was just a novelist. And sure enough, it's now called 58 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:28.800 behavioral economics, which is a fancy way of saying fear 59 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:34.439 and greed. So and because I realized that show business, 60 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:38.080 meaning of writing has huge movements, the way stock's going 61 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:40.960 to have up and down, and if you choose the 62 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:46.800 creative life, whether you act, sing, dance, write, paint, mostly 63 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:50.120 you're doomed. In the creative life. It's so tough. So 64 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.240 I thought, don't give up your day job, but I'll 65 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:54.120 never stop writing. 66 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:57.000 Good for you. Well, you haven't stopped. And this is 67 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:01.159 the thirteenth book that we're talking about that been all novels. 68 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.919 This one is called Wake Up. A Lifetime of Lessons 69 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.400 from Smart Women. I must tell you in my business, 70 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.319 I think the smartest women are the smartest people in 71 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:15.319 my business happen to be women I've worked with and 72 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:20.040 for a lot of smart women. How did this book 73 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:20.720 come to be? 74 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:26.279 Well, all books come from German of an idea. For instance, 75 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:32.519 years ago I was at caddy at Brookline, Muni now 76 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:39.279 called Putterham, and I loved the game of golf, and 77 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.439 for years I would have dreams about four young men 78 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.759 caddies or I don't know who they are walking down 79 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:51.319 a first t carrying golf bags, and for years I said, 80 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:55.040 who are they? And finally I wrote a novel called 81 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:57.680 The Foursome that came out of the nineties. There was 82 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.079 about four kids and they start caddy and then something 83 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:04.839 bad happens when they're young, and they keep that secret 84 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:10.199 and it becomes their story. So jerem of the idea. 85 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.399 I wrote a book in nineteen eighty called Smart People, 86 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.199 which was kind of cause to stir. It was very 87 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.399 popular and still resonates today. I believe in about how 88 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.360 do you brand yourself an increasingly anonymous world, and how 89 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.040 do you get people to get on your team and 90 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.600 take care of you? And little tricks to the trade, 91 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:37.800 to how you become different than other people and kind 92 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:40.560 of attract other people to you who actually want to 93 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:45.720 help you in law, medicine, moneymap, money, money matters, and 94 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:51.399 including plumbers, carpenters, etc. Cooks. And there was a chapter 95 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:56.040 called My Smart Women in it then and for decades 96 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.759 I've been thinking, why don't you do a book just 97 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.120 about women? And boy, if there is ever a time, 98 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.000 this is women's time. And more and more women are 99 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:10.439 running things at every turn in society, and during the pandemic, 100 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:16.399 for instance, Dan, what did women do during the pandemic? Everything? 101 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:22.040 Women talk to their girlfriends every day. What are you reading? 102 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:24.639 What are you watching? What are you rubbing on your arms? 103 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:27.959 What about the kids? What are you cooking? Guys during 104 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.800 that time looking at the window saying who am I? 105 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.920 And what's it all about? And women and the girlfriends 106 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.920 know what it's all about, because guys don't call guys 107 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:42.920 who haven't earn touch with their networks every day virtually, 108 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:47.759 and the guys don't call each other. So more and 109 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.319 more I'm relying as you say, and women do answer 110 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.000 all kinds of questions for me. And the book is 111 00:06:54.040 --> 00:07:00.160 forty two different women, forty two different occupations dan from 112 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:06.279 law to medicine, to acting, to marketing, to cooking to 113 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.199 you name it. And they're all women in my life 114 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.160 from the time I was three years old. And the 115 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:16.120 lessons that they gave me a not only prices, they 116 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:20.160 are not lessons preaching on high they're practical, down and 117 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:24.519 dirty streets by lessons that no guy could ever tell me. 118 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:30.439 Well, that's a great that's that's a great encapsulation of 119 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.279 what the what the book is all about. Again, it's 120 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:37.959 not often I would characterize you truly as a renaissance 121 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.079 man in the sense that not only have you written 122 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.519 as much as you've written, and in order to write, 123 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.319 you have to think, and also, obviously to be a 124 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:52.360 successful financial advisor, people who know you speak very highly 125 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:56.000 of your advice and your wisdom over the years, and 126 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:57.839 you wouldn't have stayed in the business and been as 127 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.519 successful as you have been as a financial advisor. So 128 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:04.120 let me pick your brain for one second. Here, A 129 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:07.279 lot of people have been panicking. I do not remember 130 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.839 the market being as turbulent in recent memory. I know 131 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:14.639 we've had bigger drops in nine to eleven. And I 132 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:17.519 follow the market, not as closely as you, but pretty closely. 133 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:21.480 I've never seen the market with such swings over a period. Now. 134 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:23.560 Maybe it's because the Dow is up in the forty 135 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.639 thousand range and all of that, and Nasdaq is up 136 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.519 around twenty and all, and the numbers are bigger. But 137 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.000 it was amazing last week to see down one day, 138 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.639 up the next down. Then you figure it's going up, 139 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:39.600 but it goes down, then it goes up. And it 140 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.559 was up a little bit today. Not a big move today. 141 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:45.240 When do you think that this airplane ride is going 142 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:46.679 to settle out? You got a sense. 143 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.480 Well, basically, I can't say too much about this because 144 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:57.480 I'm not supposed to talk finance, but I'll give you 145 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:03.200 one quick impression. Again, it's some behavioral economics or fear 146 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:08.519 and greed. When I came into this business, the Dow 147 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.679 Jones average was five hundred and twenty. 148 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:17.240 Oh yeah, tod I remember those laws were. 149 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.559 Forty thousand plus and how many bumps in the road 150 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:25.279 and panics. I've worked through probably seven true panics, from 151 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.919 the Kennedy assassination to the crash of eighty seven to 152 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:34.279 the horrible decade of the seventies twenty percent interest and 153 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:38.639 every single time there was a panic and panic selling 154 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.720 from nine to eleven, to look back to Pearl Harbor, 155 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:47.799 which I only remember vaguely, I was a little kid. 156 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.960 And in every case one should have been a buyer, 157 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.559 not a seller, if you take the long term view, 158 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:59.879 and again behavioral economics says, when there's panic around us, 159 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.759 that's when there's often opportunity and bargains appear, whether it's 160 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.759 an art or real estate or stocks. And if you 161 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.759 take most people, by the way Dan seem to look 162 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:15.559 at last week and next week. I try and look 163 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.360 over the chasm way out there, what's going to be 164 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:20.799 going on three to five years from now? If I 165 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:25.559 do X And in every single case where usually in 166 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:29.279 normal markets things go sideways, there are a few groups 167 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.639 that are strong and a few not so strong. But 168 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.720 when you get a condition where everybody is taken out 169 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:40.399 and shot, that's where bargains may appear. And if you 170 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:44.159 take the long run and you buy quality, you're going 171 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.799 to be a winner eventually. So that's my take on 172 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:47.759 what's going on now. 173 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:49.919 Well, I'm glad you hear that take, because that is 174 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.399 the take that I try to ascribe to folks as 175 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.120 well and suggest to people friends of mine. It is 176 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:57.519 I always joke. I'll say, when it's time to panic, 177 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.600 I'll let you know, but it's not time to Jeordgepter, 178 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.759 thank you so much. The book is Wake Up, a 179 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.639 lifetime of lessons from smart women. I would hope that 180 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.519 a lot of the readers would take and take some 181 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.200 of your examples and apply them in their own life, 182 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:16.159 because I think all of us, if we look back, 183 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:19.320 there have been some smart women in our lives. And 184 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.519 whenever I don't think as smart as they are, my 185 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:25.440 wife and daughter reminds me how wrong I am. Generally 186 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.320 they're right. Judge Boter, thank you so much for your 187 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.120 time tonight. We will talk again, my friend. 188 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:32.519 Okay, thank you Dan so much. Bye bye. 189 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:34.600 You're very welcome. All right, we get back when we 190 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:38.279 talk about prepping up for the Boston Marathon, how runners 191 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:40.799 get ready for the challenge of running twenty six point 192 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:43.759 two miles, training, weather, injury, prevention, all that going to 193 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.960 be talking with a sports medicine physician. We'll be back 194 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:49.240 on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray. It's a Monday night. 195 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:52.440 We're just starting twenty hours. This is the first hour 196 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.399 of the week, so stay with us for twenty hours 197 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.919 and you'll be a lot smarter and more entertained by 198 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:58.919 week's end. Back on Nightside right after this. 199 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:04.960 You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on ws Boston's news radio. 200 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.879 I'm delighted to be joined by doctor Adam ten Fordy. 201 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:11.960 Doctor ten Fordy, welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir? 202 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.320 I'm doing well. Thanks, thanks for having me. 203 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.919 You're very welcome. You're a sports medicine physician at the 204 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.960 Spalding National Running Center, which is located right here in Boston. 205 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.080 Are well, great Boston area? Correct? Yeah. 206 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:31.080 Absolutely. Our goal at the Spaulding National Running Center, which 207 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:34.639 is part of Nation General Brigham Healthcare, is to provide 208 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:38.960 a comprehensive approach to taking care of injured runners and 209 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:40.679 related health concerns. 210 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:43.799 So you don't have to be a marathon or to 211 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:48.159 be injured in the marathon to take advantage of Spaulding 212 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:49.120 National Running Center. 213 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:54.519 I assume that's correct. A lot of times, folks will 214 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.240 read a little bit about my background and they come 215 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:02.879 in assuming that you have to be a serious, high 216 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:07.240 performing athlete to require medical care. And my view is 217 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.240 that the sport of running is available to everyone across 218 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:15.519 ability levels and ages, and it's really just a fun 219 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:17.279 sport we should all be able to enjoy. 220 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:24.279 Yeah, the problem that running can create for people, particularly 221 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:29.679 when they get inspired by watching the marathon on Patriots 222 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.080 Day here in Boston, is next week they're out running. 223 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.039 They're trying to run five or ten miles, and they're 224 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.919 trying to go from zero to sixty in about five seconds. 225 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.799 And that's a problem. I'm assuming that a lot of 226 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.000 people make that mistake. They watch the marathon on television 227 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:45.240 and they say, I can't do that, but I can 228 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.519 at least run five or ten miles. And the next 229 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:51.960 morning they wake up and they realize that that was 230 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.320 a huge mistake. What do you tell people who are 231 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.039 going to start out after the marathon. They're going to 232 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:01.960 get inspire, the weather's now, good spring is here, Other 233 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:05.000 than take it easy, what do you tell them? 234 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.360 Well, first off, I like to bust a couple of 235 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.600 the myths that running is somehow harmful for your body 236 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:17.480 or your joints, and I think you alluded to this earlier. 237 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:21.639 An any new activity, just like going to a weight room. 238 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.720 If you just start lifting heavy reps, you're likely to 239 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:31.320 be sore afterwards, so start slow. Oftentimes there are programs 240 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.039 that are available online which they refer to as a 241 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.519 couch to five k program, and it's the idea that 242 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:44.879 anyone should be able to start to advance into running. 243 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:49.759 Of course, there can be health concerns, and so if 244 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:54.120 someone is worried about having an underlying medical condition, again, 245 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:57.919 myself or anyone at Maasternal Brigham would be happy to 246 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.759 see those individuals where we have sports cardiology in a 247 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.080 number of different ways to ensure that the body and 248 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:08.799 the heart and other organs are healthy to enjoy the sport. 249 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.960 But in most cases it is so is. 250 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:16.279 It as simple? I mean the advice I would give someone, 251 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.159 And I'm not a marathon but I used to run 252 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.360 a lot of ten k's and to the point of 253 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.200 my life where now my exercise is on an elliptical 254 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:27.279 machine because I just that's for me is where I 255 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.440 want to be. I tell people, when you're going to start, 256 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.600 just start walking, you know, walk a few you know, 257 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.960 a little distance, a little more distant than then some day, 258 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.600 you know, could I trot around the reservoir one? So whatever, 259 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.759 maybe next week twice. Gradually, I think is the key. 260 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.159 I'm getting a sense that maybe I'm being too conservative 261 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:48.919 with my advice. 262 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.879 No, I actually think your advice is pretty consistent with 263 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.480 what we would recommend, which is typically to do what 264 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.799 we refer to as a walk round for And you know, 265 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.200 there's there's so many advantages of getting out to run, 266 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:09.759 the community of you know, having someone who becomes an 267 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.639 exercise partner, or even if it's something you like to 268 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:16.000 do just to clear your mind. And you know, there's 269 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.919 there's a lot of benefits to just being outside and 270 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:21.320 and just moving faster. 271 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:31.360 And I started running somewhat seriously in my twenties. I 272 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:34.759 had played sports in high school and college and then 273 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.559 went to law school and didn't do too much running. 274 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.240 But I took it easy, and I would go out 275 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.080 do four miles a day, and I would click it 276 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.000 off around the river, seven minute miles, and I knew 277 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.039 twenty eight minutes I would be done, and I knew 278 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:54.559 what exactly where where I would be. And I found 279 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.720 it that kind of opened up the world to me, 280 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.879 and I spent a good twenty years on the back roads, 281 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.039 and on occasion had a chance to run with Bill 282 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.160 Rogers because he and I lived in the same town. 283 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:09.480 Not for long with Billy Rogers, but we know, run 284 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.200 for a quarter of a mile, maybe on a good 285 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.319 day half a mile, and then you know he threw 286 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:18.440 it into third gear. What's the best advice you would 287 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:23.079 give to someone who goes out, maybe overextends themselves, and 288 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.799 wakes up the next morning and says, oh, I've never 289 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.039 had that discomfort before my leg or my foot or 290 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.839 my ankle. I think I know what you're going to say, 291 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:35.319 but I want my audience to hear it from you, 292 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:35.920 not from me. 293 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:42.720 So first off, just just to respond to your experience 294 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.400 with running. I think that's what's so beautiful about the 295 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.680 sport is you can engage with so many wonderful people 296 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.240 in the community, and in general, runners tend to be 297 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.720 a really nice population to get to know and to 298 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.240 run with. You know, from the standpoint though, of aches 299 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:03.480 and pains, those are those are very common when when 300 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:09.559 someone is either getting into running or any sport in general. 301 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:14.480 We look at aches and pains that improve as you're active. 302 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:16.519 So for example, if you go for a run and 303 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:19.400 the next day you feel a little stiff and sore, 304 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.039 but as you're moving throughout the day, it feels better 305 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:27.319 and better. Those tend to be reassuring features. Or not 306 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:32.640 having pain vocalized directly over a bone, or having pain 307 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:37.279 in a joint where there's a lot of swelling. Those those, 308 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.599 in general are things that I feel like it's reasonable 309 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:43.480 to give your body a little bit of time to 310 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:49.119 get used to the new activity. But if a pain persists, 311 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.440 or it's getting worse or builds as you run, or 312 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.359 you're having you know, swelling, or you feel like you're 313 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:57.160 moving in a way in which something else is going 314 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.839 to get hurt, those tend to be the more clear cuts. 315 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:04.400 And said, seeing myself, seeing a provider National Brigham, just 316 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:08.759 someone who understands the injured runner and also is not 317 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.920 going to make you feel bad about getting back into 318 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.319 that sport. That's one of the key, the key factors 319 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:17.759 that I feel like we've we've got a much better 320 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:22.559 handle on. And again, this is a sport that people 321 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.440 should be able to enjoy. We don't tell someone who 322 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:30.119 plays soccer or football and has an injury. You know, 323 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.759 you shouldn't do that sport anymore because you might get injured. 324 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:35.240 What we try to think about is why did you 325 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:35.640 get that. 326 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:37.799 Injury, and how do we treat it, and how do 327 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:39.799 we prevent that from happening in the future. 328 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.599 Now, the best website for folks who want to get 329 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:47.799 more information, and I think we have hopefully certainly at 330 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:52.039 least scraped the surface. It's spaldingrehab dot org. Is that 331 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.440 the best way that folks can get to the website 332 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:58.559 and get some information and maybe even get in contact 333 00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.240 with you directly. 334 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:00.680 Yeah. 335 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.359 Absolutely, And you know, in general, you know the other 336 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:08.599 homepage of mass General Brigham where you know if you 337 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.240 are looking for a sports medicine provider, I'm listed among 338 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:16.359 a number of colleagues that I really trust and feel 339 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.759 do a do a great job and taking care of 340 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.400 injured runners and others that are just trying to be 341 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:22.480 more physically active. 342 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.680 Sounds great, Doctor Adam ten forty spelled last name spelled 343 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.200 t e n f o r d E t e 344 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:34.200 n f o r d pronounced ten forty. Doctor ten forty, 345 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.599 thank you so much, great to talk to you. You 346 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:40.599 sound to me like a great doctor for people who 347 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:44.319 are trying to get in shape or indeed stay in shape. 348 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.920 And I really tell you, if I was runner, you'd 349 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:49.960 be on speed dial for me. Man, you're a great, 350 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.400 great guest. Thank you so much, Thanks. 351 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:54.839 For having me and for the kind words. 352 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:58.079 You're right back at you, right back at you. All Right, 353 00:20:58.119 --> 00:20:59.519 we get back on the other side of the news 354 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:00.920 at the bottom and the air. We're going to talk 355 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.519 about a group called Run for the Troops, but it's 356 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.400 a little different. It's corn Hall for a Cause, an 357 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.960 upcoming event on Sunday, June eighth. This is when everybody 358 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.880 can participate in. You listen to WBZ tenth third in 359 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.200 your AM radio, my ten thirty on your AM dial 360 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:20.720 on your AM radio. My name is Dan Ray, and 361 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:24.079 I'm here every Monday through Friday night from eight until midnight. 362 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.799 And WBZ is here for you three hundred and sixty 363 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:28.599 five days a year, twenty four to seven. And you 364 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:31.359 can be in touch with us. Just pull down. We're 365 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.599 an iHeartRadio station, the iHeart app, and you can make 366 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.599 us your first preset and you will always be merely 367 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:42.240 a fingertip away. Back on night Side right after the news. 368 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:50.119 Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 369 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:55.640 It's fourteen to one in Tampa, fourteen to one, Come on, 370 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.880 come on, Red Sox. I want to welcome back tonight 371 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.599 Bill Pennington, founder of Run for the Troops. Bill Pennington, 372 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:04.160 welcome back. 373 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.000 How are you hey, Well, thank you so much for 374 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:09.720 having us on again. I really appreciate the support. 375 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.240 Thank you my pleasure. Give us a quick I know 376 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:14.400 we're talking about Run for the Troops, We're not talking 377 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:18.119 about a road race. Here, give us the quick synopsis 378 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:21.000 of how Run for the Troops was founded, in what 379 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:24.079 you have tried to accomplish with that, and then we're 380 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.640 going to talk about your big event on Sunday, June eighth, 381 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.440 corn Hole for a Cause. Tell us about the organization. 382 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:34.920 First, well, it was my whole family served in the military. 383 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:37.599 My mom served in the Marines, my father served in 384 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.759 the Navy, and as I slowed down, I couldn't qualify 385 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.519 for the Boston Marathon. So I put on a fundraiser 386 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:48.960 to raise money for a charity BIB, and that's how 387 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:53.039 it all started, and we did really well. And of 388 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:57.240 course my daughter continued tradition by marrying a marine. So 389 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:01.920 I'm though I never directly serve diet. I'm very much 390 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:04.440 aware of the sacrifices are men and women. 391 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:09.119 Have Run for the troops has been around. I know 392 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:11.720 I've interviewed you for several years. How long has run 393 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:12.759 for the Troops been around? 394 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:14.880 Fifteen years? 395 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:20.200 Yeah, sure, that makes sense to me. Okay, so let's 396 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:23.799 talk about this event is a little different. I know 397 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:27.200 what corn hole is. It's a fun it's a fun event. 398 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.279 I'd like to call an athletic event, but it really 399 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.119 doesn't involve a lot of athleticism. And it's something that 400 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.839 can be played by people I think from five or 401 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:39.599