WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:04.160 I have a side, I have a chess cold. I 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.799 am congested, I can barely breathe, and you play pit 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:11.800 Bull for Zach Harper and some random track that Dave 4 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.039 picks talking about taking a selfie before the beat actually 5 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:15.480 comes in. 6 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:17.199 Dave, let's turn his Michael. 7 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:19.519 They even even told us that we were gonna we 8 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:20.800 were gonna like this one. We're gonna love this. 9 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:21.600 I don't like it. 10 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:23.239 What is this day? It's not pit Bull. Let me 11 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:25.839 take a selbie. It's paul Ette. I remember this hit. 12 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:27.079 I don't remember this. 13 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:29.399 Now that you're out in the pool, you're gonna have 14 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:30.079 to put more. 15 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:30.719 Commies out there. 16 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:33.359 Okay, calm down, all right, let's let's leave our off 17 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:34.759 air conversations off here. 18 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:36.600 I'm not gonna say anymore. I'm just gonna say now 19 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.159 that you may be available, let's put some self take 20 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:40.200 it easy. 21 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:41.000 Will you good? 22 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:41.159 Is? 23 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.039 What are you doing now? I know I can't talk 24 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:44.280 to you. 25 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:45.640 You need to post that golf swing. 26 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:48.159 You were just making fun of my golf swing. 27 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:49.920 To make fun of it, I said. I said, I'd 28 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:51.439 like to see a little more hip turn. I need 29 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.119 to get the lower body involved more. Okay, I need 30 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:58.280 to trust it as you know what, we're ending the segment. 31 00:00:58.799 --> 00:00:59.759 We're catching a break. 32 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:02.560 My personal dating life will not be a topic on 33 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:03.280 this radio show. 34 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:05.200 I don't know why you're bringing it on air. How 35 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:06.560 long can you have? You and Kather beIN? 36 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:10.400 Mary? Oh gosh, forty something. Man, she's hung in that 37 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.400 entire time every year. She's like, what the heck? 38 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:17.159 Jam, Well, congratulations on finding somebody that's put it up 39 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:17.719 with all your crap. 40 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:19.040 Dave Fox, how are you, sir? 41 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:20.400 I'm well, how are you doing? 42 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.359 I'm fine? But enough of this, Okay, no more misbehaving. 43 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:24.200 Porter's enjoying it. 44 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:26.359 You're like that, You're like another son to me. I 45 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:28.560 always got to look out for you. That's kind of you, okay, 46 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:30.599 and I just you know, I always you know me. 47 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:32.680 There's there's not much you can do that I don't 48 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:34.920 have your back. No, I appreciate it, and this is 49 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:35.840 one of those cases. 50 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.159 So yeah, yeah, dating in your mid forties and sali 51 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:40.799 is a weird thing. But let's move on. All right, 52 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.200 I'm gonna hit you with some of You're right five 53 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:46.760 years ago today, I know. I wrapped up this radio show. 54 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.480 Then I said to my producer, who was Brady Uh, no, 55 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:51.200 was it JP. 56 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.319 I think it was. I think it was Chunga. 57 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:56.159 Yeah Brady at the time, Yeah, JP had left for 58 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.400 the jazz. I said to Brady, I said, Okay, gotta 59 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.920 run because I got to get to TV with And 60 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:05.359 as I'm walking down uh this would be Broadway here 61 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:09.400 towards the Wells Fargo building, I get an alert on 62 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:15.879 my phone. Rudy Gobert tests positive for COVID. Jazz okase canceled, 63 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.479 and then a couple of hours later the WOAJE bomb 64 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.120 drops that the NBA season has been canceled. 65 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:24.439 What do you remember about that day? 66 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:26.479 It's wild that it was five years ago today, by 67 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:28.400 the way, I well, the one thing I remember more 68 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.560 than anything is you coming over, because I don't think 69 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.680 you were actually scheduled that night. In fact, I know 70 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:34.520 you weren't because I called you and said, Hey, we 71 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.280 got a problem. We don't have all of our jazz material. 72 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:40.159 Can you come over here and we're going to do 73 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.759 this live. I think I'm pretty sure I'm right on that. 74 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:44.840 I don't know if we were doing talking jazz at 75 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:46.000 that time. Maybe maybe we were. 76 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:47.680 We weren't doing talking jazz, but I was doing it. 77 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:48.439 I was scheduled. 78 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.719 Don't do it something I was scheduled doing it. 79 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:53.719 Then we got on the phone, that's it, and I said, 80 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:55.960 do you still want me to roll by? There's no game, 81 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.080 and you said, well, yeah, we got We've got to 82 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.919 fill the time. So I remember we went on air 83 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:04.599 and we were just like flying blind. Didn't know what 84 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:06.280 to say to me. I was just like, everybody, just 85 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:08.560 stay calm, you know, like we'll get through this. Without 86 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.639 knowing anything as far as what was about to happen. 87 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:13.680 I mean, this is the ultimate. If you knew then 88 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.879 what you know now, you probably could have had a 89 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:18.800 little more fun with it. But man, it got weird, 90 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.120 and it got serious, it got ugly, got everything. And 91 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.879 remember this was also the same week of the tournaments, 92 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:28.400 which stands the reason because they're going on now in 93 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.319 Las Vegas. And I want to say, at that time 94 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.280 was it was it a Thursday? It was a Thursday. 95 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:35.680 I don't remember what day of the week it was, 96 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.080 but anyway, because Adam was in Vegas and they were, 97 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:41.199 they actually started playing one of the tournament games in 98 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.159 the morning. It wasn't involving in any of our teams. 99 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:47.280 And then they finally canceled that, But really it's the 100 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:50.439 Jazz game that kind of it sort of ended the world, 101 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:50.960 you know. 102 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.960 At that time, go Bear became patient number zero. 103 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.319 I mean, I remember, without any of us really knowing 104 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:58.400 what it was and any of us knowing about what 105 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.400 the effects would be, people online were like, is Rudy 106 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:02.120 gonna die? 107 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:04.719 Like does this thing kill you right away? We just 108 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:05.240 didn't know. 109 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.319 And then Donovan tests positive and then suddenly he hates Gobert. 110 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:11.800 Now what we know now is Donovan could have had 111 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:13.919 it and gave it to Rudy just as easily as 112 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.399 Rudy could have given it to Donovan. But you remember 113 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.959 the day before the Jazz were here, Yeah, and they 114 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.240 came back from Toronto and they had shoot around, and 115 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:23.360 after shoot around. 116 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:23.759 They had media. 117 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.560 And during the media, after Gobert was done, he stands 118 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.319 up and he starts playing with the microphones and the recorders. 119 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:32.879 Okay, let me stop you right now, because that shot 120 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:36.399 you're referring to, that was our shot. We took that shot. 121 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.279 And I remember posting that not thinking, really, not knowing 122 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:42.680 the magnitude of what it was. 123 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.399 I was just trying to break the tension. 124 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:46.680 My post was a here's Rudy having a little fun 125 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.040 with this. To this day, Spence and you know me, 126 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.279 I'm not a huge social media guy, but it's hilarious 127 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:54.959 to chart that one. The biggest single post I've ever had. 128 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.680 It is probably six seven million views last time I checked. 129 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.240 It get to reposted every year. Gobart playing with they're 130 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.560 playing with the interesting it's and of course it's been 131 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.839 stolen many, many times, but most people do credit us 132 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:07.720 with it. But I'll never forget that night. And my 133 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.600 first thought that night was laughing as well. We were 134 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.439 all just like, oh, is he being funny? Two days 135 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:17.600 later the world shuts now crazy. It was wild, so crazy. 136 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.000 Baxter Holmes and Tim McMahon in Front of the show 137 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.439 wrote an oral history of that night that's up on 138 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:26.439 dot com today, And you know the part that they 139 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:30.240 described Dennis Lindsay walking in and addressing the coaching staff 140 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:31.319 and he said he's got it. 141 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:33.360 He's got it, meaning he's. 142 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.160 Got COVID because they went through referring to test and 143 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.439 so that was kind of like the moment where everybody went, Okay, 144 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.199 what does this mean. Then they had to report it 145 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.600 to the league, and then everybody's embargoed including traveling media 146 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.399 like Andy Larson and Sarah Todd and Tony Jones. They 147 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.000 were kind of bunker down with the players and the 148 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.600 coaches waiting to figure out how are we going to 149 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.920 get out of here? Because they essentially told Rudy you 150 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:57.240 got to go in that room and you got. 151 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.079 To stay there. Yeah, didn't it take them some time 152 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:01.800 to get out? They get that night or that morning. 153 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.319 Well, if my memory serves, and let's get Andy on 154 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.319 and Sarah on to talk about the memories, because if 155 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:10.000 my memory serves, everybody who. 156 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:11.680 Didn't have COVID was able to get home. 157 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.319 But I think Gobert had to stay behind like isolated 158 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:14.879 for DAB. 159 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:16.000 I think so. 160 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.160 I remember in the early days, the isolation time was much longer. 161 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:20.560 Oh yeah, I mean. 162 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.680 Yeah, before everybody knew what was going on. Like I 163 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.000 just I cannot believe that was five years ago. It's 164 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.120 kind of blowing my mind. I had completely forgotten. But 165 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:30.800 it does make sense. Let me ask you this because 166 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.319 I have often said Dave, I've said this to Quinn, 167 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.319 I've said this to Dennis. I've said this on air. 168 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.839 COVID changed them fundamentally. In fact, you can make an 169 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:44.199 argument that COVID ruined them fundamentally because they had playoff. 170 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:45.000 Runs they beat Okay. 171 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:47.319 See here, they had a young player that was learning 172 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.319 how to be the lead offensive option for a good 173 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:52.480 team in Donovan. They had a playoff experience in the bubble. 174 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.319 But the Rudy Donovan relationship never recovered from that. I 175 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.199 don't think it was ever great, but it was fine 176 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:01.439 before that. That's when it kind of crumbled. And then 177 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:05.120 you get the Adrian Wojnarowski report that everyone's mad at 178 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:08.319 Rudy because wojin Donovan are caaa guys, which I thought 179 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.160 was so low brow. Then Donovan goes on Fat Joe's 180 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:13.519 Instagram Live a real thing. 181 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.800 By the way, I'd never heard that. I heard you 182 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.439 mention that in your last segment. 183 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.319 We're all waiting, like we got to hear from Donovan. 184 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:20.480 When's Donavin gonna talk? 185 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:22.759 And I get this alert like hey, in twenty minutes, 186 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.079 Donovan's going on Fat Joe's Instagram Live to address the 187 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:26.720 Gobert stuff. 188 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.639 I'm like, none of this is real. This is so wild. 189 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:34.639 So if COVID doesn't happen, how do you think that 190 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:39.360 Jazz team, Because look, if COVID doesn't happen, Dave, Maybe 191 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.399 Donovan and Rudy are fine. Maybe Donovan decides because the 192 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.360 other thing that happened during that summer, it was this 193 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.879 summer of George Floyd, right, it was the summer of COVID, 194 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.199 summer of George Floyd. And as a result of all 195 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:55.560 of that, Donovan just kind of leaned into culturally some 196 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.800 things that weren't part of kind of his DNA. And 197 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.279 it's fine, Like, if you're a young African American male 198 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:02.040 and you're learning about the history of your people and 199 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.240 you decide you want to express yourself, express yourself. I 200 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.319 have no issue with that, but I think it changed 201 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.639 the way he viewed living here. The Rudy stuff was untenable, 202 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.079 and ultimately they decided to break it all down. If 203 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.839 COVID doesn't happen, and Rudy and Donovan and Bogdanovitch and 204 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.680 Conley and O'Neil and everybody else stays together and Quinn 205 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:21.519 stays the coach, what do you think. 206 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:21.879 That looks like? 207 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.720 Well, I'll tell you. Let me take it one step further. 208 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:25.759 I would love to see. And I don't know if 209 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.879 they had all stayed together, if Quinn would have left 210 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:30.680 but if he had, I've always been very curious to 211 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:32.840 see what Will Hardy could have done with that group, 212 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.039 because he's had to manage just you know, I don't 213 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.360 want to call it a train wreck, but a rebuild, 214 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:42.480 and it's very, very difficult. What could he have done, 215 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.480 excuse me, with a roster full of really good players 216 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:48.879 that would have been interesting. Now, circling back to what 217 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:51.240 you said, I mean, there's no way to really tell. 218 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:52.960 Even if there wasn't COVID, there was still a lot 219 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:55.360 of other emotional things that year. By the way, how 220 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:57.679 about what was it like two weeks after COVID we 221 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.600 had that Biger earthquake. We had several It was like 222 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.720 we had a multiple ears coming to it, and no, 223 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.519 I felt like this was it, like get right with 224 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:06.960 your maker because it's time. Yeah, I'll never forget because 225 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:08.919 I mean I remember, I don't know where you would 226 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:10.399 have been, but I think you were in town. I 227 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:13.639 remember being awaken. It's probably around five am, five thirty am. 228 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.480 I was living downtown something like that. So anyway, all 229 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:19.759 those things, I don't know if COVID itself brought it 230 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:21.720 to an end, but it certainly kicked it off because 231 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:23.919 of the whole illness thing. But I think there was 232 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:26.960 some sort of animosity you could since even before that, 233 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:30.279 and it continued long after. So I don't know if 234 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.639 anything would have saved it. And you know, Quinn kind 235 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:35.759 of admitted that no matter what, he had run his course, 236 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:37.720 and I don't know if he was being diplomatic by not. 237 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.320 You know, he's not going to sit there and say, well, 238 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:42.120 I'm tired of these two. So who knows whether or 239 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:45.200 not he would have left. But still I think it 240 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.360 would have been very intriguing to see will Hardy coach 241 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:48.840 these guys. 242 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.919 I think as long as that group was willing to 243 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.120 stay together and keep working, Quinn stays. Now the one 244 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:55.720 caveat now. I want to be careful here because I 245 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.320 don't want to, nor will I, nor could I speak 246 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.360 for Quinn, But I do know when it came to Quinn, 247 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.720 Snyder and Dennis lindsay they just didn't want to work 248 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.559 for this ownership group. They did not want they you know, 249 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.000 you know, Dennis has one meeting with Ryan and the 250 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:13.919 new group and he's like, yeah, you know what, I'm good, 251 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.559 you know, I'll do I'll step aside here, Let's elevate Zaniker. 252 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.080 I'm not saying that was Dennis Dennis's decision, but they 253 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:23.600 elevate Zanak to GM, they hired Danny Ainge and then 254 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:27.159 Quinn sits down with him, and my guess is the 255 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:29.240 majority of his decision was steeped in the fact that 256 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.519 they were about to trade most of the players. 257 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:33.440 But I don't think he wanted to work for this 258 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:34.000 group either. 259 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:37.240 Well I don't know, and maybe again you and I 260 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:39.960 don't have any We weren't in these meetings. Maybe somewhere 261 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.679 in those meetings it was made clear that we're going 262 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.279 to make a change at player and that's probably going 263 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:47.879 to mean coach too. So you know what I'm saying, 264 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:49.639 I think they wanted Quinn to stay. 265 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.360 Well, if they were telling the truth, because Dan Danny 266 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:56.039 himself said I think during the press conference kind of 267 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:59.960 the dog and pony show they had when Quinn was leaving, 268 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:03.600 In my opinion, that was them trying to save face. 269 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.360 But Danny talked about all the contract negotiations that he 270 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.399 had with Quinn, and ultimately Quinn decided he wanted to 271 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:13.480 move on, and you know, the Millers were there and 272 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.960 Quinn was very emotional and said thank you to the 273 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.000 Miller's I'm not sure that he just I just don't 274 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:18.720 think he wanted. 275 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:19.399 To be part of this new thing. 276 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.240 Well and either way, if if they're getting rid of 277 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:25.720 all the players, then you know he didn't want to 278 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:27.440 be part of a rebuild, right. I mean, he came 279 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:29.399 into a good situation. Some coaches are built that way. 280 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.159 For Hardy, it's perfect because he's just starting out. But 281 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.440 I don't think Quinn, what was he nine years? He 282 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:37.360 doesn't need had no interest in Could you imagine that 283 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:39.879 asking a guy like even Jerry Sloan back in the day. 284 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.720 I don't know that I would call Darren Williams and 285 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:47.639 boozer or rebuild because it really wasn't. But it's kind 286 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.440 of funny because it's sort of the same situation in 287 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.080 terms of, you know, you get player personalities, drives a 288 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:55.519 coach out. Same thing happened again. I don't know what 289 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:57.279 do you do with it. I really doesn't happen with 290 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:57.679 this group. 291 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.240 I'll say this about Will I hope we get a 292 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.720 chance to see him coach good players. Kid, I hope 293 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:04.559 we get a chance to see him coach good players 294 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:07.240 here because my my fear, and we'll get to some 295 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.399 of this in a minute is Look, this is the 296 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:12.679 end of his third year, and he has the options 297 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:14.720 picked up for both year four and year five, So 298 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.559 he's going to be here for two years. Barring some 299 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:21.840 lady luck going the Jazz way, there's a chance Will's 300 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:23.679 going to coach here for five years without a roster 301 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:27.240 of good players. And if that's the case, I'm sure 302 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.840 the Jazz would really want him to keep riding with them. 303 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.720 But he is well respected enough around the NBA that 304 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.360 if there's an owner that has a good roster and 305 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:39.279 doesn't think he has the coach, he's gonna call Will 306 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:40.159 and say, dude. 307 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:42.279 What are you doing out there? How long is this 308 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:42.720 going to take? 309 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:45.559 Like, come here, I have good players. I'll pay you 310 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.080 twelve million dollars a year or whatever it is. And 311 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.360 you know what, if your will, you owe it to 312 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.960 yourself to do that. Coaches are defined by their win 313 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.519 loss record. If after five years, Will is continuing to 314 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.000 win fifteen to twenty twenty five games and his winning 315 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.320 percentage is like thirty five percent over a five year stint, 316 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:06.279 he's gonna want to change. 317 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:08.039 You know though, And I can't believe I'm even saying this, 318 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:10.000 because I've been on board with you in this entire 319 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:12.960 rebuild process. But I think if the Chips do fall 320 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:15.799 where the Jazz hope they do this year, I think 321 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.320 they can actually start turning the corner a little bit 322 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.320 next year. And the reason I'm saying that is because 323 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:25.360 they sit an inordinate amount of players that they probably 324 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:29.200 don't need to night in and night out on and 325 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.960 on it goes. And yet they're still almost winning a 326 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:34.120 lot of these games. So imagine if they don't have 327 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.759 to play that game, and everyone's on the court, and 328 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:40.600 everyone stays moderately healthy, maybe next year is a little 329 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:42.360 bit of a turn about. I don't think you have 330 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.799 to suddenly go from lottery team to NBA championship team. 331 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.759 You certainly have to get to the playoffs. And let's 332 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.559 just say, for arguments, let's sake, let's say they got 333 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.000 a number one pick and they drafted Cooper Flag. I 334 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.000 think if everyone else is back and everyone else stays healthy, 335 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.240 I think that team could probably compete for a play 336 00:13:59.240 --> 00:13:59.720 in spot. 337 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.840 Yeah, but who gives a rip about the place doesn't. 338 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:05.720 I'm not saying that's your ultimate goal, but that's part 339 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:06.240 of the process. 340 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.159 I I I understand your point. 341 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:12.279 But if you have a chance, so to your point, 342 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:14.440 if you get number one overall and you're able to 343 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.320 grab Cooper flag, then we've got something. 344 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.279 For sure to move on, then you've got something. 345 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:23.679 But the other approach would be looking around the landscape 346 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.799 of the Western Conference right now and saying yourself, Okay, well, 347 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.799 Oklahoma City is good and they're young, and they're gonna 348 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:33.759 be good for a long time, and they're gonna be 349 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.279 young for a long time. The Lakers just got Luka Doncic. 350 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.799 Memphis is a good young team. Uh Jokic, I think 351 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.840 isn't even thirty yet. Do you look around the landscape 352 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:48.879 of the conference and say, not yet, We're not going 353 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:51.240 all in yet. And then next year and let's play 354 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.000 the fun game. Let's play the fun game here, Lottery 355 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.080 Night rolls around, ping pong balls, Lady Luck. They go 356 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.399 the way of the Jazz for the first time. Number one, 357 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.480 pick Cooper flag and he decides to stay in school. 358 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.639 And you and you put Cooper flag next to Walker 359 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.200 and Lowry and then you say, okay, here we go, 360 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:07.679 here we go. 361 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:08.399 We got something. 362 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:10.840 Does that put you as one of the top six 363 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:12.240 or seven teams in the West. 364 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:13.360 It doesn't, but. 365 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.200 It might in a couple of years. You're still developing 366 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:15.879 those young people. 367 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:19.759 But would you rather play this game again and say, look, 368 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:21.879 wait till you see this kid play down at BYU. 369 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.080 Wait till you see agent Yah. But then you're going 370 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.840 all in on that one kid, and that's it's you. 371 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:28.759 And I know how hard this has been just to 372 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.600 even do this. But if if we want to get 373 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.480 wild here and we say in two years, your starting 374 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.639 lineup is Walker Kessler, Lowry Market and Cooper Flag aj 375 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:42.639 Debanza and hell you like, then we have something fun 376 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:44.919 to talk about. And then in a couple of years 377 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.440 after that, and I know jazz fans are going, wait 378 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:49.039 a second, you're asking me to wait another four or 379 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:52.320 five years. Yes, I am, that's the route they're taking. 380 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.519 But you have to have excellent luck in order to 381 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:57.559 get that to go down back to back number one 382 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:58.200 overall picks. 383 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:59.000 That's a tough ask. 384 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.799 So if you get one and it's Cooper flag are 385 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:05.799 your assertion is no more sitting players, Let's. 386 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:07.320 See how good we can be. That's kind of what 387 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.080 I think. It depends because now you're in well what 388 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.480 year are we in? Or we would be in year four, right, 389 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:14.519 because y're three. They had to keep trading guys to 390 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:16.639 make that what it would be year four. Now, let's 391 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:19.320 talk about three teams that have really kind of developed. 392 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.639 Oklahoma City did that take two years just to get 393 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:23.200 to the playoffs? 394 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:24.759 Yeah, they're talked about last year. 395 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:29.360 Yeah, Yeah, Houston three or four years. Well, this is 396 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.399 the first year's Houston has been good since they traded. 397 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:34.440 But how many has have been taken? It's taken three years, 398 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:38.519 Detroit probably four years. Yeah, this is Caid's third year 399 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.080 because he got hurt last year. So the outset would 400 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.799 be on the same trajectory as Detroit, which is in 401 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:45.879