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<v Speaker 1>You want to follow the Big Ten in specifically Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat Murphy does a really good job covering both, but

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<v Speaker 1>especially Ohio State. He knows the Ohio State Buck guys

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<v Speaker 1>inside and out from a football standpoint, a basketball standpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>He coaches as well. He's the Ohio State b writer

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<v Speaker 1>for Buck Nuts two four seven, twenty four to seven

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<v Speaker 1>Sports and CBS Sports. You can follow him on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>or X Underscore Pat Underscore Murphy. He joins us here

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<v Speaker 1>on XES and Bros. Pat, We appreciate the time very much.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you today?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. How you guys doing, Hey, we're doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously, the Lions in the draft in the first

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<v Speaker 1>round take Tyleer Williams, the defensive tackle out of Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of player are they getting?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a hell of a player. To put it bluntly,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a guy who really emerged kind of over

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<v Speaker 2>the second half of his college career. Versatile in his game.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you look at the stats and he's pulling

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<v Speaker 2>him up here, you know, eleven and a half sacks

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<v Speaker 2>and that includes last season where obviously, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Buck guys were successful on the field with the national championship,

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<v Speaker 2>but he dealt with some injuries that that forced him

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<v Speaker 2>to miss a couple of games. Never really looked fully back.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, came back and played a big part in

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<v Speaker 2>that playoff run. But I think if he'd been healthier,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe those numbers look even better. But you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that can can rush the passer but can also

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<v Speaker 2>help in the run game, can help clog up that middle.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I always admired the way he worked

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<v Speaker 2>to get better because he didn't come in as a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who was like plug and play right in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of that defensive line right away. Had to earn

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what he got, which was was something

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<v Speaker 2>that was was you know, a talking point throughout his

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<v Speaker 2>career on that defensive one.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you what would you consider his strengths to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the probably the most notable thing would be

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<v Speaker 2>his his his pass rushing ability from the interior. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty eight tackles for a loss, eighteen of

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<v Speaker 2>those coming in the last two years. He can get

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<v Speaker 2>get after the quarterback, get after ball carriers in the backfield.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that thinking about it from a

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit Lions perspective and kind of what else is already

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<v Speaker 2>on that defensive line. I think it's a nice fit

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<v Speaker 2>with some of the other guys that have and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>take some pressure off of a guy like Date Hutchinson

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<v Speaker 2>who's obviously had to do a lot when when he's

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<v Speaker 2>been healthy. But that's not to say that he can,

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<v Speaker 2>only that that's the only thing he can do. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know you can take up space, help you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think of the to Michigan defensive lineman that went

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<v Speaker 2>earlier in the draft and kind of the way especially

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<v Speaker 2>against Ohio State, which is when I saw them, and

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<v Speaker 2>the way they shut down things like Tyler Williams is

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<v Speaker 2>capable of being that type of player as well. That

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<v Speaker 2>may not be what he was used as because Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>State that other guys to help with that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't think just because he has that pass

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<v Speaker 2>rushing ability that may be some other defense interior defensive

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<v Speaker 2>line and have, he can't be the rung stopper as well. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>So a nice mix, I would say, at least throughout

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<v Speaker 2>his college career.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting, Pat because two questions and both times you've

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<v Speaker 1>emphasized pass rushing ability and most people don't view him

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<v Speaker 1>as that. They view him as a run stuffer, really

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<v Speaker 1>heavy hands, good job in deconstructing blocks, great job at

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<v Speaker 1>the point of attack, impactful in the run defense. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't view him as a guy who is going to

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<v Speaker 1>rush the passer. Why do you think he can do

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<v Speaker 1>that at the NFL level?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there's a couple of reasons. I think

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<v Speaker 2>one that viewed that way is probably some of last

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<v Speaker 2>year as the defensive ends Jack Sawyer and JT. Tumlau

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<v Speaker 2>kind of came along as a tandem that wasn't as

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<v Speaker 2>prolific part of his game. You look at his junior

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<v Speaker 2>year twenty twenty three, ten tackles for lost, three sacks.

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<v Speaker 2>He was doing it more I think as a junior,

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<v Speaker 2>getting into the backfield and getting two quarterbacks. And again

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned the injury, So you know, I just I

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<v Speaker 2>think I guess I would say he is an all

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<v Speaker 2>around you're your defensive lineman who can do what you

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<v Speaker 2>need from him. So when he needed to help you

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<v Speaker 2>generate more pressures on quarterbacks and then O High State

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't getting the pass rush off the edge, he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to do that. And when that wasn't as big

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<v Speaker 2>of a deal for hit for the buck eye, he

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<v Speaker 2>could handle you know what you were saying, the run

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<v Speaker 2>stopping and sort of taking up that space on the

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<v Speaker 2>interior and being more of a bigger body with like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, the hard hands and whatnot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat Murphy joining us here on Exis and Rose. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the writer for buck Nuts two four seven, twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>to seven Sports at CBS Sports. You can follow him

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter. Underscore Pat Underscore Murphy. Is he a plug

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<v Speaker 1>and play guy? I mean, you said he wasn't coming

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<v Speaker 1>into Ohio. Stay, do you think he's developed enough where

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<v Speaker 1>the Lions would feel comfortable for him to be a

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<v Speaker 1>starter from day one?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. And I want to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched the beast amount of life, but I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>say that I know the depth chart. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth, but uh, you know, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>must think so to go get him at as a

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<v Speaker 2>first round guy. He was a guy who was projected

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<v Speaker 2>kind of early on maybe as a late first round guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think, as you know, other guys, And

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<v Speaker 2>again I go back to that injury because I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that affected sort of the perception on him because

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't as productive coming back from that, and and

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<v Speaker 2>that was a topic of conversation, and I do think

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<v Speaker 2>in the playoff run he had more time to heal

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<v Speaker 2>up between games, so you started to see that again.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think he can be a guy who can

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<v Speaker 2>can make an impact early on, whether that is as

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<v Speaker 2>a starter or as a guy who you know, can

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<v Speaker 2>be a rotational guy and work his way into a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger role, which is kind of how it happened in

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State. Either way, I think he can make an

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<v Speaker 2>impact as a rookie. It just kind of depends on

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<v Speaker 2>needs and you know, as I that you will work

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<v Speaker 2>to do what you need as a team. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a real character guy. He was Ah, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>was always good to talk to, always gave good information

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<v Speaker 2>from a media perspective. But also I think his teammates,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, good personality in the locker room. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think you kind of combined the ability with all of

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<v Speaker 2>that and his want to win, and you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who will do whatever's asked of him. So if

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<v Speaker 2>that's Hey, let's get in here and let's make you

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<v Speaker 2>a starter from day one, I think he'd love that,

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt. But I think if it is hey, let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's continue to work and utilize some of the things

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<v Speaker 2>we think you're best at right now and worked you in.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he will focus on improving and accept that

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<v Speaker 2>role as well.

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<v Speaker 1>He will have a chance because of Allen McNeil's injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>so they'll have a chance to get in there and

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<v Speaker 1>contribute right away. I hate comparing pat players, especially young

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<v Speaker 1>players fresh out of college to to anybody who is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at the NFL level and has been playing

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. I hate, I especially hated when

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<v Speaker 1>people are trying to project what a player is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be and compare him to like a Hall of

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<v Speaker 1>Fame player. But let me just give you based on

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<v Speaker 1>your website. CBA sports dot com they had Mason Graham

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<v Speaker 1>from Michigan, Walter Nolan from Ole, miss Derek Harmon from Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>Kenneth Grant from Michigan, all rated above Tyleek Williams. How

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<v Speaker 1>much would you have concurred at season's end and who

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<v Speaker 1>does he play most like within this draft? Which player

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<v Speaker 1>is he most similar in your mind? And why?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably fair. Again, I hate to keep

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<v Speaker 2>bringing up the injury, but I do think it affected

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<v Speaker 2>as part of the story, was right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Harmon out of Oregon is a guy who,

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<v Speaker 2>having seen him play twice last season first hand when

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State played them, a similar type of guy, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least can be. You know, I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>is necessarily in the exact same mold as as a

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<v Speaker 2>two Michigan defensive tackles. Again, not that he can't do

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<v Speaker 2>some of that stuff, but you know the way that

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<v Speaker 2>the order defense tackle could impact games statistically, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was similar to at least the way Ohigh State was

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<v Speaker 2>able to use TYLERK. Williams. But I think rankings wise,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. But I would also say all of

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<v Speaker 2>those guys, if you told me I had to pick

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<v Speaker 2>one of them, I wouldn't feel disappointed about plugging them

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<v Speaker 2>into to my team. I think those are all pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good players that we had an opportunity to see in

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick Murphy knows tyleerk Williams as well as anybody. He

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<v Speaker 1>writes for Buck Nuts two four seven. He writes for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four to seven Sports and CBS Sports. You can

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<v Speaker 1>follo him on Twitter at Underscore Pat Underscore Murphy joining

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<v Speaker 1>us here on Exus and Bros. Remind the audience of

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<v Speaker 1>the injury to Tyler Williams, and what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>his ceiling would have been without it as a draft pick?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. If I remember, Ohio State is a

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<v Speaker 2>little quiet about injuries. We know that they happened, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't always tell us what they were. If I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 2>it was I want to say a shoulder injury. I

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<v Speaker 2>know he had a knee or lower body injury at

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<v Speaker 2>one point in his career, and it's possible I'm mixing

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<v Speaker 2>those two up, but I think it was a shoulder

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<v Speaker 2>injury that past year. It just sort of slowed him down.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I think he missed I'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>look at this thing, one or one or two games

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<v Speaker 2>early on in the year. Came back and again was

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<v Speaker 2>still productive, but just there was just a noticeable you know,

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<v Speaker 2>probably still dealing with some stuff. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>one of those where you're not gonna it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to get any worse, but you're not going to the

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent better until the season's over. And whether

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he ended up having anything done

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<v Speaker 2>to it or if it was just recovery time, but

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<v Speaker 2>just was you know, it just slowed a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, but it didn't sound like when we

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<v Speaker 2>talked to him in the playoffs. Uh, he did did

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<v Speaker 2>not speak at the NFL Combine. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>that was his medical related or other people, because it

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<v Speaker 2>got very backed up the day that the defensive tackles

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to talk, and they ended up pulling a

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<v Speaker 2>few of them towards the end. But he did work out,

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<v Speaker 2>He did go through stuff at both O High States

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<v Speaker 2>Pro Day and the Combine, So looks to be it's

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<v Speaker 2>not coming back one hundred percent close to it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's something he'd have to worry about

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<v Speaker 2>going forward to something he had to deal with as

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<v Speaker 2>in his final year.

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<v Speaker 1>I think at Ohio State had fifteen players drafted, four

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<v Speaker 1>in the first round. What was your biggest surprise on

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the biggest surprise overall, I'd say, was

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<v Speaker 2>that Seth McLaughlin center, who won the Wilmington Now he

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<v Speaker 2>did tears achilles the second to last week of the

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<v Speaker 2>regular season. The fact that he wasn't drafted was probably

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest surprise. I think most people thought he'd be

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<v Speaker 2>at least a late round pick, given what he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to do his last year also played at Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>A good pedigree there. If we're talking just first round,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Donovan Jackson coming up and going to the

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota Vikings. I think I saw most mock drafts had

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<v Speaker 2>him probably early second round, not the second Ohio State

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<v Speaker 2>player off the board. And and then I will say

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised that Tyler Williams went in the first

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<v Speaker 2>round because I think he has that talent. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the mock drafts I saw had him

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<v Speaker 2>early second so not a huge huge climb, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is a recognition of him and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the importance of that position as well. And you see

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity, you go get your guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I'll Mika Buka went was the first Buck

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<v Speaker 1>guy drafted nineteenth overall. I think he went to Tampa.

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<v Speaker 1>How good is he compared to some of the other

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<v Speaker 1>high end receivers Ohio State has had in the past, right.

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<v Speaker 2>There in the mix, you know he had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's one of the guys played one of the few

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<v Speaker 2>guys that played four years at Ohio State and was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of overshadowed. Also, that was a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>injury to his junior year. But you know he played

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<v Speaker 2>with guys like Jackson Smith and Jigba Marvin Harrison junior,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremiah Smith, Carnel Tate, So you know, a tough room

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<v Speaker 2>to be the guy in, especially as more of a

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<v Speaker 2>flat receiver. But he has the same talent as those

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<v Speaker 2>guys as the number one receiver in high school coming

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<v Speaker 2>out five years ago, so same pedigree. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>going to Tampa where they've got an established task game

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<v Speaker 2>already means that he doesn't have to step in and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, worry about a young quarterback or being the

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<v Speaker 2>number one receiver with Mike Evans and Goodwin Godwin down there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's a good fit for him. He

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<v Speaker 2>can come in, he can you fit in that slot

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<v Speaker 2>role and then you know, kind of work his way

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<v Speaker 2>into his career. Similar with Jackson Smith and Jigbak copingers

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<v Speaker 2>going the Seattle where they again had some established guys already.

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<v Speaker 1>Who will be the biggest surprise of the group. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think who will be better than people thought or

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<v Speaker 1>where they were drafted? So for example, Traveon Henderson was

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<v Speaker 1>the second round pick to New England. Will he play

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<v Speaker 1>like a first round pick. Who's the guy you think

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<v Speaker 1>will surprise a little bit?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's probably a few guys. The one

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<v Speaker 2>I will point to, and I apologize knowing the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>that you are, the crowd of listeners you guys have.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jack Sawyer, the defensive end who obviously had his

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<v Speaker 2>issues with Michigan at the end of the game last year.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think this is a guy who was high

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<v Speaker 2>star prospect coming out of high school, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>number two or three defensive end, and then his second

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<v Speaker 2>year at Ohio State, they sort of moved him around,

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<v Speaker 2>tried him in the hybrid side role that never really worked,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's sort of set back his production

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. He didn't really pick that back up

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<v Speaker 2>until part way through his junior year once he went

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<v Speaker 2>fully back to the defensive end. So him going to

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<v Speaker 2>the Pittsburgh Steelers and the mid rounds there, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a really good fit and I think his production,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll almost certainly out out last or make

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<v Speaker 2>that pick look better than it was. You mentioned the

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<v Speaker 2>running backs and Trayvon Henderson and uh quinch On Judkins

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Cleveland Browns. Both of those guys I

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<v Speaker 2>really like the fits. I think they can be productive

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<v Speaker 2>there just trying to think of through all of those guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's there were a lot of good fits.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked to Ryan Day yesterday and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he thought some guys could have gone earlier. He did

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<v Speaker 2>like where guys landed in terms of their situation, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was something I had said over the weekend when

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to people about the draft. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>it worked out well for for the Buckeyes in the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>including Tyler Williams. I like, I really like this this

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<v Speaker 2>selection with by Detroit, and you know, when you have

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<v Speaker 2>this many guys, you never know how it's all going

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<v Speaker 2>to work out. But I think it will probably look

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<v Speaker 2>back we'll see, but as a pretty good draft, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you take the numbers out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of people thought Sawyer might even

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<v Speaker 1>be a late first round pick, and then so dropping

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<v Speaker 1>to fourth and getting pick Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh good culture

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<v Speaker 1>and things of that nature. I'm sure it fits well

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<v Speaker 1>with him. A great insight. We appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the education on Tyler Williams. Sounds like the

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<v Speaker 1>Lions got themselves a good one. But guys, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>have a good one in you. Thanks for the time,

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<v Speaker 1>have a great week

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<v Speaker 2>Man all right, thanks guys,