Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Musk not just.
Speaker 2: The populist right, but the far right, in fact, very
fringe parties in some countries.
Speaker 3: The normal people. What do you call the far right?
Speaker 1: Falseley, you think it's the normal person? Okay, yes, literally
you could.
Speaker 3: You could go back ten or fifteen years and these
these these policies were completely normal. In fact, you One
of the things, one of the tricks I think it's funny.
I think it's it's quite funny, is to like take
a speech from Obama and Hillary and then and then
go to someone and say, who's sort of, you know,
on the sort of what I call the lunatic left,
and say, what do you think of the speech by Trump? Like, oh, wow,
he's the worst person ever. Actually that was a speech
by Obama or actually that was a speech by Hillary.
Speaker 2: I No, I agree that the center of gravity in
this country has shifted. Certainly the Democratic party shift is
the left. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm
talking about people like group of please people.
Speaker 3: It's actually just normal people. It's just normal people. It's
just more people and the and here are the principles,
and tell me which are these sound terrible? That we
should have secure borders, that we should have safe cities,
that we should have sensible spending. Which are those three?
Are our far right fringe? And I would like to
just admonish you and the media for the absurd characterization
of the far right. It is false and misleading and nonsense.
Please keep this part in.
Speaker 1: We'll keep all of this.
Speaker 3: Let me let me don't cut this part.
Speaker 1: Let me push back on that. Let me push back
on that, because you have nonsense.
Speaker 2: You know, you have what is it close to two
hundred and fifty million followers on x You say things
like popular guy quote civil war in Britain is inevitable,
just a question.
Speaker 1: Yes, when were you last in the UK.
Speaker 3: A few years ago?
Speaker 1: Exactly? So? So I live there. I'm there the whole time.
Speaker 3: That is new cloistered existence.
Speaker 2: I don't actually And the numbers also disprove what you say, well,
all the numbers about crest that London is a much
safer city than any city in the United States. Violent
crime in the UK is not where you think it is.
In fact, it's coming down you you have painted and
because you have so many followers, so many Americans believe
it a kind of view that Europe and the UK
are kind of you know, overrun with terrifying Muslim immigrants.
There's rape on every corner, there's a some civilizational destruction said.
Speaker 3: Any of those things. If you have a large and growing,
rapidly growing group of people whose beliefs are antithetical to
Western beliefs, at some point there will be a reckoning
that they will they will try to implement their views,
and those who oppose it will oppose it. And that's
what you call the civil war. And obviously this is
the trend. And uh and you're absolute live in a
cloise that existence. And if you'd like, we can go
on a tour of Britain.
Speaker 1: Sure, I've been very happy to come on a tour.
Speaker 3: Of Britain and then and you'll see you kind of see.
Speaker 1: My country that I live in all the time. And
you haven't been to.
Speaker 2: A few years in there literally one hundred times, but
when was the last time?
Speaker 3: Literally?
Speaker 2: You know why this exercises me because you have really
shaped opinion about the UK. And so many Americans I
come across and I have conversations with and they'll be
and I just had one the other day along the
order of oh London is such a dangerous place.
Speaker 1: How can you know that there are sort of.
Speaker 2: Grooming gangs everywhere there, there's violence everywhere. This is a
picture that people get from things that you post or
that are posted on x And for example, you're you're
posting for what was it forty eight hours of Citizen Vigilante,
that film, which you know paints are dystopian. I've watched it, Yes,
it was not fun. I watched it yesterday. It's not
a very good movie. But it's also paints a dystopian
picture of Europe, and it glorifies vigilante violence. It glorifies
the murdering of a Muslim immigrant family. I honestly think
that it is irresponsible for you to put that up
on x.
Speaker 3: I think that it's it's a movie and it's worth watching.
Speaker 1: People say that you're a racist? What is the motivation
for doing honors?
Speaker 3: Is she's half Indian and my and I have four
children with her. You know, one of them was named
after a famous Indian physicist, so I would say I'm
not racist. And also the you know, if you look
at the people that are employed at my companies, you
know were senior executives of all races that there's there's
I don't think there's any racism there. You anti Muslim,
I am, I'm I'm against having if if if people
are coming to a country with antithetical views, I am
against that. I'm against that, you know. I'm against I'm
against rape and murder. I'm against the imposition of rules
and laws that are contrary to what we've come to
accept in the West. And I think it's a crying
shame that the sort of traditional media like you don't
recognize this.
Speaker 2: Why should you be able to shape European politicisn't you
don't even live there.
Speaker 3: I think of it as the sort of the West collectively.
Speaker 2: But do you see why this makes people think that
this man who has all his power, he's the world's
richest man, he thinks he has a right to influence
our politics. It makes people It's why you know, we
started this conversation saying superlatives.
Speaker 1: It's why people loathe you.
Speaker 3: I mean some people do loath you, Yes, some people do.
But do you.
Speaker 2: Understand why do you think what you're doing is helpful
for Western villa?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe some people do loath me, and that's and
that's probably true. I don't care the uh but but
the fact that, as you pointed out, a quarter billion
people follow me is that I think a lot more
people actually like me than don't. And I think a
lot more people hate you and the media more than
you realize.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, See you in the next episode.