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Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Musk not just.

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Speaker 2: The populist right, but the far right, in fact, very

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fringe parties in some countries.

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Speaker 3: The normal people. What do you call the far right?

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Speaker 1: Falseley, you think it's the normal person? Okay, yes, literally

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you could.

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Speaker 3: You could go back ten or fifteen years and these

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these these policies were completely normal. In fact, you One

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of the things, one of the tricks I think it's funny.

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I think it's it's quite funny, is to like take

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a speech from Obama and Hillary and then and then

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go to someone and say, who's sort of, you know,

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on the sort of what I call the lunatic left,

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and say, what do you think of the speech by Trump? Like, oh, wow,

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he's the worst person ever. Actually that was a speech

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by Obama or actually that was a speech by Hillary.

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Speaker 2: I No, I agree that the center of gravity in

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this country has shifted. Certainly the Democratic party shift is

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the left. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm

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talking about people like group of please people.

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Speaker 3: It's actually just normal people. It's just normal people. It's

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just more people and the and here are the principles,

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and tell me which are these sound terrible? That we

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should have secure borders, that we should have safe cities,

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that we should have sensible spending. Which are those three?

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Are our far right fringe? And I would like to

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just admonish you and the media for the absurd characterization

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of the far right. It is false and misleading and nonsense.

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Please keep this part in.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep all of this.

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Speaker 3: Let me let me don't cut this part.

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Speaker 1: Let me push back on that. Let me push back

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on that, because you have nonsense.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have what is it close to two

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hundred and fifty million followers on x You say things

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like popular guy quote civil war in Britain is inevitable,

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just a question.

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Speaker 1: Yes, when were you last in the UK.

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Speaker 3: A few years ago?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? So? So I live there. I'm there the whole time.

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Speaker 3: That is new cloistered existence.

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Speaker 2: I don't actually And the numbers also disprove what you say, well,

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all the numbers about crest that London is a much

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safer city than any city in the United States. Violent

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crime in the UK is not where you think it is.

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In fact, it's coming down you you have painted and

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because you have so many followers, so many Americans believe

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it a kind of view that Europe and the UK

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are kind of you know, overrun with terrifying Muslim immigrants.

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There's rape on every corner, there's a some civilizational destruction said.

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Speaker 3: Any of those things. If you have a large and growing,

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rapidly growing group of people whose beliefs are antithetical to

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Western beliefs, at some point there will be a reckoning

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that they will they will try to implement their views,

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and those who oppose it will oppose it. And that's

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what you call the civil war. And obviously this is

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the trend. And uh and you're absolute live in a

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cloise that existence. And if you'd like, we can go

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on a tour of Britain.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I've been very happy to come on a tour.

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Speaker 3: Of Britain and then and you'll see you kind of see.

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Speaker 1: My country that I live in all the time. And

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you haven't been to.

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Speaker 2: A few years in there literally one hundred times, but

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when was the last time?

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Speaker 3: Literally?

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Speaker 2: You know why this exercises me because you have really

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shaped opinion about the UK. And so many Americans I

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come across and I have conversations with and they'll be

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and I just had one the other day along the

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order of oh London is such a dangerous place.

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Speaker 1: How can you know that there are sort of.

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Speaker 2: Grooming gangs everywhere there, there's violence everywhere. This is a

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picture that people get from things that you post or

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that are posted on x And for example, you're you're

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posting for what was it forty eight hours of Citizen Vigilante,

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that film, which you know paints are dystopian. I've watched it, Yes,

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it was not fun. I watched it yesterday. It's not

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a very good movie. But it's also paints a dystopian

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picture of Europe, and it glorifies vigilante violence. It glorifies

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the murdering of a Muslim immigrant family. I honestly think

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that it is irresponsible for you to put that up

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on x.

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Speaker 3: I think that it's it's a movie and it's worth watching.

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Speaker 1: People say that you're a racist? What is the motivation

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for doing honors?

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Speaker 3: Is she's half Indian and my and I have four

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children with her. You know, one of them was named

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after a famous Indian physicist, so I would say I'm

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not racist. And also the you know, if you look

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at the people that are employed at my companies, you

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know were senior executives of all races that there's there's

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I don't think there's any racism there. You anti Muslim,

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I am, I'm I'm against having if if if people

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are coming to a country with antithetical views, I am

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against that. I'm against that, you know. I'm against I'm

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against rape and murder. I'm against the imposition of rules

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and laws that are contrary to what we've come to

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accept in the West. And I think it's a crying

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shame that the sort of traditional media like you don't

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recognize this.

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Speaker 2: Why should you be able to shape European politicisn't you

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don't even live there.

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Speaker 3: I think of it as the sort of the West collectively.

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Speaker 2: But do you see why this makes people think that

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this man who has all his power, he's the world's

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richest man, he thinks he has a right to influence

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our politics. It makes people It's why you know, we

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started this conversation saying superlatives.

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Speaker 1: It's why people loathe you.

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Speaker 3: I mean some people do loath you, Yes, some people do.

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But do you.

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Speaker 2: Understand why do you think what you're doing is helpful

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for Western villa?

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe some people do loath me, and that's and

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that's probably true. I don't care the uh but but

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the fact that, as you pointed out, a quarter billion

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people follow me is that I think a lot more

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people actually like me than don't. And I think a

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lot more people hate you and the media more than

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you realize.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, See you in the next episode.