WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:01.960 Baby, you're a gamesteratu. 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:04.200 It takes a little tangle. 3 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.799 You don't want to mess with me. Mess with me, baby, 4 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:09.240 you're a GANGSTERA tou. 5 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:16.879 Ouch baby, you're a game statoo. 6 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:24.480 For good warnings. 7 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.440 This podcast is designed to take you outside of your 8 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:31.239 comfort zone and make you question reality listening discretion is 9 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:31.839 a vibe. 10 00:00:38.600 --> 00:01:13.719 With me, Fellas, this ain't my first time at the rodeos. 11 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:20.239 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode we got a 12 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.000 very very special guest and I guess a special show 13 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:25.680 on topic for you. But before we get to the guests, 14 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:27.959 I do want to introduce you to the other rejects 15 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:30.840 that are joining us tonight. Tonight, I'm going to start 16 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.280 with Heidi to the left of me. Heidi, let everybody 17 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:36.359 know what your deal is and what's up and where 18 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:37.760 they can find all your amazing work. 19 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.239 Please awesome, I am Heidi, love of the Unfiltered Rise. 20 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:45.599 I'm everywhere podcasts are served. My little forte is Mormons 21 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:48.599 because I used to be one, and also JFK because 22 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:49.159 I'm a weirdo. 23 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:53.519 I don't know anything that has to do with that, right, and. 24 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:56.599 So find me there and at Unfilteredrise podcast dot com 25 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:57.439 thank you for having me. 26 00:01:57.560 --> 00:01:59.920 Happy to be here listen, no, thank you, thank you, 27 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.719 and uh maybe new listeners that might be coming across 28 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:04.560 the show for the first time. Definitely go check out 29 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.239 her Mormon Mafia series on here. That is that is 30 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:11.039 on fire. Great work, especially JJ. You know he's he's 31 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:14.240 involved in it too. Some great stuff. Definitely check it out. 32 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.280 And JJ, you're next. What's up, sir? Let everybody know 33 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:18.039 what your deal is. 34 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.719 Nick Creating, Sir, appreciate the invite. As always, I enjoyed 35 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.800 the occult rejects roundtable discussions we have here, but tonight, 36 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.479 you know specifically because I ever since I encountered a 37 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:35.000 Kentucky vampire cult years ago that I've long been interested 38 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.360 in these subjects. So JJ vance not the vice president, 39 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:43.759 it's Operation GCD. Definitely looking forward to the conversation Julia 40 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:45.800 and Heidi is always great to join you. 41 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:47.639 It's that's great to meet you. 42 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:51.680 Awesome, thank you very much. Yeah, And when I had 43 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.120 asked her to come on, I was like, I have 44 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.960 to ask him to come on, because I'm gonna be honest, 45 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.400 I really didn't entertain vampire cults too much until you 46 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.159 had me on and we talked about it. I was like, oh, 47 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:03.199 this is really interesting. So I got to get my 48 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:05.400 man off for this. So thank you, Like I had 49 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.800 told you, I think I said, you probably inspired this somehow, 50 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.800 so I appreciate it. And next, lest but not least, 51 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:15.360 Cosmic Peach Julia, what up? What's going on? 52 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.560 What's up? Nick? I'm excited to be here. This is 53 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.280 gonna be a good one. I can already tell by 54 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:27.360 the guest Bangs, I was just commenting on before we 55 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:32.080 got started. She's fabulous. But yeah, no, I have Cosmic 56 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.159 Peach podcasts. If you haven't found me already, you never will. 57 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:43.400 Honorary Occult reject for the night though. Excited to be here, Yeah. 58 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.000 Thank you very much. Always a pleasure to have you. 59 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:51.639 And finally to the guest, Celeste Moott, writer wickan witch rat, Mom, 60 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:56.680 all sorts of things. Please let everybody know. I guess 61 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:58.840 what your deal is where if because I do know 62 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:00.800 you have social media, which I include that in the 63 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.000 bottom for people, but if you want to let people know, 64 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:04.599 I guess maybe what your deal is and where they 65 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:07.599 can find your stuff, and I guess after that we'll 66 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:09.560 get into how you got involved in the an Rise 67 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:10.400 vampire cle. 68 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.599 Oh what a story it is. Yeah. So, my name's 69 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:19.600 Celes Mott. I'm been a full time professional which as 70 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:23.800 my only source of income for about seven eight years, 71 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:28.600 and been sort of doing a cult work for about 72 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:33.680 twenty years. And yeah, also mother of rats. I have 73 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.920 several rats that I caretake. And I'm a writer. I 74 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:45.279 went to school for poetry and am currently working on 75 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.560 a book about what I went viral for unexpectedly the 76 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:52.040 last week. So I'm excited about all of that. You 77 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.360 can find my spiritual work. And also, if you're listening 78 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.399 to this and you haven't encountered my weird saga of vampires, 79 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.639 I'm making videos about it on my Instagram and on 80 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.839 my TikTok. So I'm Celeste Motte Mott over on Instagram, 81 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:09.399 and I'm Celeste Moth like the flying thing over on TikTok. 82 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.639 That is great. I'll have to edd you over on TikTok. 83 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:14.560 I don't know you're over there. 84 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:17.279 Yeah yeah, so. 85 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.879 Uh, I guess, you know, I guess maybe if you 86 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:23.839 can maybe even give us like a I guess, an 87 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.399 idea like where you were in your life when this evens, 88 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.360 Like how did you even come about to get get 89 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:31.360 into it, you know what I'm saying. 90 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.120 Yeah, for sure. So I joined this on. It was 91 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.240 the whole thing started online, and those of you who's 92 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.120 seen the videos will kind of know the genesis of 93 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:45.600 the story. And the Internet of two thousand and three 94 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.319 was not the Internet of twenty twenty five. It was 95 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:52.120 different in many many ways. So I was in high 96 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:53.720 school at the time. I think I was fifteen. I 97 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.800 might have been sixteen, just but I was a kid, 98 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:59.519 you know, living with my mom in Australia, which is 99 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.360 where I go up, and you know, I just was 100 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.560 not having a great time. I was a weird little 101 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:12.079 kid in a very very boring, suburban beach front kind 102 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.920 of existence. I was a little goth kid, you know, 103 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.360 and into weird music and listen to a lot of 104 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:22.240 like David Bowie and The Cure and yeah, you know, 105 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:25.920 Jam and reading a lot of and Rise, reading a 106 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:28.519 lot of other horror novels, and very into the paranormal 107 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:30.680 and the occult even then. I've been into that since 108 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.160 I was a teeny tiny little kid, reading books about 109 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.879 witches and ghosts and stuff. And I just didn't really 110 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:39.360 have a huge community around me of people in real 111 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.639 life I had friends, you know, like there are a 112 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.279 couple of people in the TikTok comments who are like, 113 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:45.199 did you ever think of making a friend? I was like, 114 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.600 I had friends, Like, come on, now, I wasn't I 115 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.319 wasn't a complete loser, but you know, I didn't have 116 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:53.759 a lot of people in real life that I was 117 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.639 able to vibe with about these bigger things that I 118 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.199 was into. And so, like a lot of people my age, 119 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:04.759 even older, you know, in that time, on the Internet, 120 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.439 I went online and I looked for people who had 121 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:11.800 similar interests. I was very motivated, even at a young age. 122 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.839 You've been in my teens, you know, to find something more. 123 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.160 I had a real sense that there was something that 124 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.639 existed outside of just paying your bills and working a 125 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.040 shitty job and you know, doing your algebra homework. I 126 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:28.600 had had some supernatural and paranormal experiences and some spiritual experiences, 127 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:31.600 and so I took to you know, ask Jeeves. I 128 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:35.720 guess was like free everybody using Google. So I asked Jeeves, 129 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:41.079 you know, vampires, real vampires, real online, like, show me 130 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:45.079 what you got, and came across all sults of strange 131 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.279 and wonderful websites that existed again back in the old 132 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.240 days of the Internet. But one of the websites I 133 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.759 came across was this internet forum that claimed to be 134 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:58.879 run by Anne Rice's Vampires, which is ludicrous on first blush, 135 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.160 but you know, the saga continues. 136 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:04.079 I love it. 137 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.240 So this is like a real cult that's still I 138 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:10.360 mean they still have it's still operating, and. 139 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:15.480 That's a great question. What I can say is this, 140 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:20.000 the people who ran this group definitely do still have 141 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.800 an online presence. And the presence that they have online 142 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.399 now you know, you can it's a URL that anybody 143 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:30.000 can type in, and anyone can go to this little 144 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.799 back end site, but you can't see anything. They have 145 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:34.480 a form that you can fill out and you can say, 146 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:36.279 you know, were you a current are you a current member, 147 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.480 where you a former member? Are you a total new 148 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:41.440 person to this whole thing? And you can request to 149 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:43.679 join and then they will or will not give you 150 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:45.759 the log in for the back end of their site. 151 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:50.159 So it operates. I assume in some sense I have 152 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.279 not been part of it since I guess they kicked 153 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.519 me out in twenty eleven. The last contact I had 154 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:57.799 with any of these people was twenty fourteen and it 155 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.919 did not go well. So I don't know how active 156 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.080 it is behind the scenes, but yeah, it's still there. 157 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.799 Did they give names like my name is this? My 158 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.600 name is that? Like specific vampires from like the nos. 159 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:16.000 Yeah, so the kind of the setup of the whole group, 160 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:19.360 and this was part of what when I first found 161 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:20.600 it made me think of like, oh, this is a 162 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.840 bunch of bullshit, you know, like I don't know, I'm 163 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.440 assuming we can swear on the occult regents and I'm 164 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:31.960 assumed cursing is signed. Sometimes like no, I'm like, I'm 165 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.519 from Australia. There's nothing I can do about that. But yeah, 166 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:41.279 so most internet forums fandom stuff, you know, and rice 167 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.159 or whatever fandom that you were looking at that existed 168 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:47.720 at the time. And still if you sign up, you're 169 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:51.559 signing up either as yourself or you're signing up and saying, hey, 170 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:53.000 you know, I would love to join your like fune 171 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.320 little role playing game. I would like to play the 172 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.960 role of Lastett. Here's my audition. And then everybody kind 173 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.240 of knows, all right, world writing collaboratively, it's a role 174 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.759 play in real life. I'm celess, but I'm going to 175 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:08.080 be like lestat on the internet. This group was very different. 176 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.159 You were not allowed to audition, to play a role. 177 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:12.720 You were not allowed to go on there and be 178 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.320 like I am Nostratu and I'm here to drink a 179 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:20.120 beer with Lissette in the bar. You had to just 180 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:23.320 be you. But the moderators at the forum were the 181 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.720 vampires that we had all step We had a you know, 182 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.879 armand we had a Louis met a Marius. And those 183 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.960 people never revealed their real names. They were in character 184 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.039 all the time. And the part that really turned it 185 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.360 into kind of a cult like environment. And this went on, 186 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:43.039 you know, for me eleven years, I think I was involved. 187 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.840 Other people were involved for much much longer. But the 188 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:52.279 mosque never dropped at any point, and they really created 189 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:58.879 this environment where they were insisting we are the immortal vampires, 190 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:01.360 like in one way or another, we are who we 191 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.759 claim to be, and if you don't believe it, you know, 192 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:06.720 we're going to make your life very difficult. Like either 193 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.000 we're either you're just going to get the boot and 194 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:12.279 you're out of the club, or we're going to belittle 195 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:16.000 you and bully you and harass you until you come 196 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:17.240 to the party. And there was a lot of like 197 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:20.759 manipulation that went into convincing us that this was. 198 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.639 The truth scientigence, right. 199 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.159 I don't know if you know, Oh, I was just 200 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:31.720 going to say, I didn't know if you knew about 201 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.039 some of the other ones. I actually interviewed an ex 202 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.720 vampire already. He was from another really yeah, and he 203 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:38.799 was in a guys one. 204 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:39.559 It was this guy. 205 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.639 He's a famous guy and they do like shows and 206 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:44.759 you can go to the show and like they have 207 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.639 like graves and stuff like that, and like back about 208 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:48.600 the same timeframe. 209 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.440 I can't remember the guy's name that he was a part. 210 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:54.600 Of the same Is this the Sanguinarian group. It's not, 211 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.960 it's not. He has the best and is it? 212 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:00.639 I think it might be the best. 213 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.320 Yeah, those well, I know, yeah, I know, I know 214 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:04.240 those folks a little bit. 215 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:06.720 Yeah. He sent me a whole bunch of literature. It 216 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:07.759 was super interesting. 217 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:10.120 He sent me like the Temple of the Vampire books 218 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.000 and stuff, and I read a whole bunch of it before. 219 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.320 So fascinating to hear too. 220 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:20.159 Like he was explaining about like the mental vampiism versus yeah. 221 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.679 Energy stuff, and that's a funny thing about the group. 222 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.200 I was in like even though at first blush you 223 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.240 look at it and you think, well, that's peyton ridiculous, 224 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.080 of course, like this person on the internet forum is 225 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:34.120 not a fictional vampire written by Anne Rice. God Rest 226 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:37.919 your soul. But there was a lot of intersection with 227 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.639 the groups that you just mentioned, you know, like what 228 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:44.679 they would call like the real vampire community, the sanguinarian community, 229 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:47.759 the other kin community, like all of these things kind 230 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:53.840 of coalescing in a oddly frightening way. 231 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:59.360 Wow, it sounds like, go ahead, I know you're done. 232 00:12:59.399 --> 00:12:59.960 How to go ahead? 233 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:00.840 Oh? 234 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.200 I was just gonna say, so, did you like get 235 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.159 involved with the other ones? Do they all come together 236 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.480 and like meet at certain times or I mean. 237 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:13.879 Not explicitly, I guess I think like with any weird subculture, 238 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:15.720 you know, in the same way as the goth subculture 239 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.919 intersects with the vampire subculture, oftentimes just because you got 240 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:23.799 some shared interests. There were definitely individual members of the 241 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.799 group I was in, and possibly also moderators that did 242 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.559 intersect with the sanguinarian community. It's a little convoluted, but 243 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.279 very very much. Toward the end of my involvement with 244 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.679 the group, the people involved in running the group I 245 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:40.320 was in actually founded a like Vampire's Only facebook that 246 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:44.159 they call get Fanged, and the whole get Fanged group 247 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:49.200 was strictly for sanguinarians, So there was overlap. But to 248 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.320 my I mean, I never met anybody that I know 249 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.320 to be a moderator who was like at any of 250 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.639 these events. I've gone to the events, though, like sometimes 251 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:00.879 I'll go to an Endless Night ball in New Orleans 252 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.039 a lot. I have my own thoughts on a lot 253 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:05.759 of those people, so I like to keep myself on 254 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:10.200 the gently on the outside looking in. But yeah, there 255 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.000 was definitely I think there was probably a lot more 256 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.759 overlap than I even realize at this point. 257 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:19.399 Wow, okay, awesome, thank you. 258 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.759 Yeah, you welcome, Celesti. 259 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:24.840 You were saying, well, now I have a new question 260 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:29.200 also to add on there. I appreciate that what's the sanguinarian. 261 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:28.919 What is this? 262 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:35.480 So the sanguinarian community, And again being not myself a 263 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.159 part of that community, I can only speak as a 264 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.720 kind of fringe outsider. So if if anything up and 265 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.360 somebody watches this, don't come from me, oh my gosh. 266 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:47.519 But my understanding is that the sanguinarian community is a 267 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:54.240 vampire based subculture where the participants do drink human blood. 268 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:57.200 They believe in some sense that they are vampires or 269 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.679 that they are and sometimes sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's 270 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.120 like it's an energy exchange, right, that's the purpose. So 271 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.919 we're not talking like, you know, filling up an eight 272 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:07.320 pint glass and down in it. 273 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.480 But some of them will blood eggs. 274 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.360 Yeah, or you know, you'll have a donor and someone 275 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.200 you know, you'll have your your donor who up. 276 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:22.399 Yeah he said, it's all like they he was on 277 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.080 each other. Yeah, and it has to be like all 278 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.120 checked out and like yeah contracts. 279 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:30.360 Yeah. 280 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:30.559 Yeah. 281 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:31.519 Yeah. 282 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.039 It's because in a way it kind of overlaps. Again, 283 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.720 it's it is not necessarily the kink scene, but it 284 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:38.240 intersects with the kink scene. 285 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.120 So you have a way of saying, yeah, I can easily, 286 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.399 I can even say that's like you'll sometimes wonder if 287 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:46.240 that's why you get that kind of even within Like 288 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.159 I saw that with the ot O, how I could 289 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.279 see how it does kind of connect to the kink 290 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:51.600 scene in a way, And I think that's how you 291 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.879 get some of the more weirder ones showing up. 292 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.559 Yeah I'm not I'm not into Yeah, I'm not into 293 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.320 kink shaming or anything like that, but I mean, I 294 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.360 just it's the thought of it to me is just 295 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.279 like you have to wonder if there's not a bit 296 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.039 of like mental illness involved when you take it to 297 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:14.679 that point. 298 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:17.559 I think the body people there is. I mean, when 299 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.480 you think about just the prevalence of mental illness generally, 300 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.919 I mean, so many of us are not necessarily entirely 301 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.159 well for various reasons, and there's a lot of trauma 302 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:28.759 that brings people into communities like that. I mean, even 303 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:30.519 in the goth community, there's a lot of trauma at 304 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:32.559 play because you're an outsider, you've been an outside of 305 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:36.120 your whole life. You're not fitting into the mainstream. I 306 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.440 think the same is true of the wider occult community. 307 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:41.639 And very sadly, you know, sometimes it's mild mental illness 308 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.600 where you just have not a great childhood and maybe 309 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:46.799 you struggle with some stuff. And other times it's very 310 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.399 severely unchecked mental illness and that is its own problem. 311 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:53.639 But yeah, you're right, you know, yeah, like drinking blood 312 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:57.000 and starting a cult. Hey, I wouldn't mind starting a 313 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:02.000 cult if it was like like fake vamporism. I'm down 314 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.839 with that. Like, I could almost see myself getting involved 315 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.400 with fake vamporism cults because I grew up in the 316 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.079 generation where it was like Twilight, and you know, it 317 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:17.160 was very much kind of sensationalized, and I would have 318 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.279 found myself like wanting to be a part of that stuff. Sure, 319 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.839 But I was going to ask, oh, yeah, you go ahead, JJ. 320 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.039 Well, no, that's a great point. That's well, that's that's 321 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.319 exactly I was going to ask. Less, was the impact 322 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:31.519 of these these errors of film and whatnot. It sounds 323 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.559 like you joined this form around the time of the 324 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.240 turn of the millennium. 325 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:40.039 Yeah. I think I probably signed up around two thousand 326 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:41.160 and three, so right about then. 327 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.000 Yeah, okay, so you saw the full scope of some 328 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.759 of these films, Like Juliet just pointed out, like, did 329 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:48.720 that impact this community at all? 330 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:49.920 All these films? 331 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.920 I mean, I think like the vampire boom that happened 332 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:55.759 in the early two thousands, Like that's what it felt 333 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:57.799 like to me, much like we kind of had witchcraft 334 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.319 boom a little bit in like twenty twenty because everybody 335 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.000 was stuck in their houses and so which talk became huge, 336 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.480 you know, on TikTok. I think the early two thousands 337 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:08.720 had a little vampire boom for whatever reason. I think 338 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:10.519 Twilight was a big part of that. For sure. 339 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:12.920 Julian was enjoying that. 340 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.720 Huh dude, I would have joined it in a second 341 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.599 back in seventh grade. Yeah, because it's. 342 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:24.000 Appealing, Like, there's something very, very universally appealing about the 343 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:27.440 vampire as an archetype like it. You know, vampires if 344 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.119 we don't count like Nosparatu, which is a whole mother matter, 345 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.319 but you know, they're they're sexy, and they're eternally young, 346 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.680 and they're powerful, and you know, if you're especially in 347 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.839 the world of Anne Rice and Twilight honestly, but you know, 348 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.960 if you're a vampire, you don't never see like a poor, 349 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.720 homeless vampire. You don't never see like a vampire that's 350 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:52.160 like old and decrepit. In this in this new media incarnation, 351 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.799 what you see is like young and beautiful and intelligent 352 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:02.319 and educated and philosophical and rich. Yeah, who doesn't if 353 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:05.759 you're a sad little goth kid with no friends, who 354 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.720 doesn't sit in your bedroom thinking like, damn, my life 355 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:15.880 kind of sucks, be really cool if a vampire, Yeah. 356 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:16.920 Pitt literally interview. 357 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.799 There was some big cultural films, cultural impact films, right, 358 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:24.839 what was the vampire Yeah, Empire. 359 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.759 Film Blade, also. 360 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:35.359 Like the Amazing Yeah they. 361 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:35.160 Were Yeah, the first one I liked, second one was 362 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:36.960 all right after that, let's not talk about it. 363 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:42.880 I mean, going all the way back to the beginning 364 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:46.519 of time, they are mentioned of vampires. I actually just 365 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:51.720 covered this in a separate episode on another show. And 366 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.400 uh they even say like the very first wife of Adam, 367 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:01.400 her name was Lilith, that she she was even vampiric, 368 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:06.119 kind of like an immortal being who sustained off of 369 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.599 the life of other people or something like that. And 370 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.400 I mean it goes all the way back to literally 371 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.839 the beginning of time, So there is an obsession with it. 372 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.799 But I also think that the obsession comes from there's 373 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:21.440 a little bit of truth in it, that there are 374 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.759 beings out there. They were worshiped in the old days 375 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:29.839 as like these gods of old and hey, somebody said 376 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.440 you and me black nightclub vampire Cole, I'm down. 377 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:36.519 I would do it. 378 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.519 Yeah, but see I would be a ginger goth in 379 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:44.079 their exiled So nobody wants me at the party. 380 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:48.720 Everybody loves Gingers. I don't know. 381 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:54.599 Yeah, but yeah, there's like a sexiness to the vampire thing. 382 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.960 You never see like a crackheaded, you know vampire. That's 383 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.720 it's like not very resourceful. It's always My mom watched 384 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:05.839 a show when I was growing up. It was called 385 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:09.440 Dark Shadows. Yeah, I don't know if you're familiar with that. 386 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.880 I was obsessed with it. And then Tim Burton did 387 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:19.039 that with Johnny Depp. He made Johnny Depp barnabas Collins, 388 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:23.039 and I think that movie is incredible. I love it. 389 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.119 But even that show in itself, I would have joined 390 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:29.559 a Dark Shadows cult. I definitely would have. I loved it, 391 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:30.680 loved it. 392 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:33.440 So did they have the literature for you? 393 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.680 They're just like I was explaining, like he had books 394 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:39.160 on books on books, like there was so many books. 395 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:42.359 Oh yeah with that vampire and stuff. 396 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:44.920 Yeah. And I think it's because like if if the 397 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:47.319 and I got to go back now and watch the episode, 398 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.160 because that's how I'm like listened to the episod, that 399 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:53.160 sounds fascinating. But if it's the same group that I'm 400 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:57.079 thinking of, parts of that sanguinary and community and like 401 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.640 the real vampire community, it does kind of cross into 402 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.039 almost being a religion or like a you know, I mean, 403 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.200 not like a formal religion. But they have just like Felamidas, 404 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.799 they have holy books, they have like tenets, right, they 405 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:13.119 have rituals. Our group was not so much like that. 406 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:17.400 It was a lot more chaotic in free form. I mean, 407 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.599 if we had like a holy book. You know, it 408 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:22.759 was Anne Riis's books and one thing that did one 409 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:25.799 thing that did happen, which was a little weird, and 410 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.880 you know, with time and age and maturity, I realized 411 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:32.079 that it's not as like spooky inexplicable as I thought 412 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:35.680 it was when I was sixteen. But they were able 413 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:38.680 to get a bunch of us advanced reader copies some 414 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.720 of Anne's books before they were released, which at the time, 415 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:46.200 you know, in the early two thousands, seemed really weird. 416 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.039 We were like, wow, how did this happen? And there 417 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:53.319 was this whole kind of magical element to it, where 418 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.319 Lestat on the forum had said, you know, I'm going 419 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:00.039 to get you guys, some of you guys advanced a 420 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.519 the book before it's been published, and there's going to 421 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.839 be little clues and synchronicities and secrets hidden in there 422 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:08.039 to do with the forum and to do with you guys, 423 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:10.559 and some of you are going to be in the book, 424 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.200 it like under different names, and so we were all 425 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.119 kind of going through the book trying to figure it out. 426 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:24.240 So yeah, no, no structured tenets, you know, or laws 427 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:28.119 aside from I guess the great law, which was you 428 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:30.640 have to believe and if you don't believe, you're going 429 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:32.160 to be on the outs. 430 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:38.960 Well, I know that vampire novels are very are kind 431 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:42.319 of synonymous with like romance novels, but just kind of 432 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:46.960 like that has like the vampire element, kind of like Twilight. 433 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:50.720 But I know several serial killers who were inspired by 434 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:55.359 romance novels. I mean, there is a serious obsession with it. 435 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.359 Did they ever ask you, like extort you for money 436 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:01.559 or anything like that, like you can get this copy 437 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.319 if you pay X dollars or anything. 438 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:09.200 Nothing super explicit. Somebody on TikTok asked me this as well. 439 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:11.200 And I think it's because when you talk about when 440 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:14.440 you talk about cults, oftentimes people are like, well, where's 441 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:17.400 the financial incentive? Because that is sort of typical as 442 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:20.359 the cult leader makes a lot of money. You know, 443 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:22.599 you look at Keith Nary from nexim or you look 444 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.359 at like any of these assholes, they wind up riches kings. 445 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:32.599 There were attempts made to monetize the group I was 446 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:39.000 in on and off, mostly through like subscriptions to special 447 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.839 like forums or access to special archives. They had this 448 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:46.279 whole very strange period of time where they ran a 449 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.440 kind of sister website that was supposed to be a 450 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.920 paranormal investigation group called the Talamasca. That's a big thing 451 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:55.039 in n Ris's books. And they were like, oh, you 452 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:58.680 can join up and join the Talamasca and research the paranormal, 453 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:00.359 but you're going to have to pay you know, twenty 454 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.000 nine ninety nine a month or whatever it is. But 455 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:04.640 none of that really took off. And I think a 456 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.920 big part of the reason that it didn't is most 457 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:11.039 of us on this site were young, like either actual 458 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:16.000 minors like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, or just in early college 459 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.440 still living with our parents. Like no one had very 460 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.720 deep pockets. So the monetization didn't go anywhere for them. 461 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:24.440 But I think for them it was all about the 462 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:28.039 attention and the power and the control. 463 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:32.799 Did they ever show their faces. 464 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.319 Nope, never, not to my knowledge. I mean, and this 465 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.079 is the other weird thing though, And I've been down 466 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:41.880 the rabbit hole for the past week since. You know, 467 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.759 I didn't intend to start telling this story on TikTok. 468 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.039 I was recovering from a sinus infection and I was 469 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.880 looking at my TikTok account. No, man, I had a 470 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:53.440 lot of engagement recently, like just yapping on the internet. 471 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.279 What if I just like, what if I just tell 472 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.599 this cult story and see what happens? And then you know, 473 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.960 I'm at collective League almost two million views of all 474 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.680 the videos since then, which is it? Kind of it 475 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:08.680 kind of slowed down on TikTok, but then on Instagram 476 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:13.480 reels it went bananas. But yeah, like this idea of 477 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:15.680 like did they or did they not show their faces? 478 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.000 I've been back in my archives, like archived a lot 479 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.359 of material back in the day while I was part 480 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.000 of this group. I saved chat logs, I saved ale 481 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:25.279 instant messenger logs. 482 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.319 I have like, oh yeah, you can see like on 483 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.279 your on your Instagram, you even. 484 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:34.400 The web share. Yeah, screenshots of like what the website 485 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.000 used to look like and everything. So I was ruthless. 486 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.759 I was known for it at the time, and it 487 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:43.519 made them very uncomfortable and probably continues to make them 488 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:44.400 very uncomfortable. 489 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.279 But I you know what you could probably do now 490 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.000 that I'm just saying, if you ever wanted to, like, 491 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.640 oh I wish I could go back, you could probably 492 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:53.359 use the wayback machine and possibly find some of them. 493 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:58.160 There's some stuff there I looked. Yeah. 494 00:26:58.359 --> 00:26:58.599 Yeah. 495 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.400 Because the forum password protected and you had to have 496 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:03.880 an account to really see anything, you can't find anything 497 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.279 much like with regard to that, but you can see 498 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.559 their old websites and stuff. It's Banana's. But regarding their faces, 499 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:18.599 there was so many layers of like bullshit and subterfuge 500 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.720 and obfuscation, and so there was never a moment when 501 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:24.920 like the person playing with stat who you know, who 502 00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:26.519 we thought was the stat. There was never a moment 503 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.920 while Will Stat like turned the webcam on and was like, hey, MTV, 504 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:35.400 welcome to my crib. But there were members like regular 505 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.720 people like me right, who I became friends with over 506 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.279 the years, very close, stayed in these people's houses, you know, 507 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.839 traveled with them, who in retrospect very likely were involved 508 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.880 in some way. And over the past week I've been 509 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:50.880 talking to a lot of other members from the time 510 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:54.400 and we've been exchanging notes and putting the puzzle pieces together, 511 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:57.559 and something else shows just this is an exclusive scoop 512 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:01.279 for the occult rejects because I wasn't sure if I 513 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:03.039 was going to talk about this publicly, and I may 514 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.480 not on TikTok. But one of the ladies who probably 515 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:12.720 started the whole cult, that's the working theory. She was 516 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:16.119 an older woman. She almost certainly founded the whole thing. 517 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:19.599 She never admitted to it, but we've all been able to, 518 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.559 you know, connect the dots. She actually died like seven 519 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:28.759 days before I started making my videos, and I found 520 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.440 that out yesterday. I found her obituary and I was like. 521 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.559 Oh, dang, so she never saw your stuff? 522 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.640 No, maybe not. Let you be free to do it, 523 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:41.400 you know what I mean? 524 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.640 Did you feel like kind of a spiritual strange little 525 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.359 like crossing over, you know something? This lady left this 526 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.880 modal coil and somehow the the truth was set free. 527 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.759 But that was weird, So I guess in theory, I 528 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:58.640 have seen one of their faces just in a twenty 529 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.960 minute long memorial video, which was very surreal. 530 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.440 Did she look notable. 531 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:12.279 Or just like a little old lady? She really seventy 532 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:13.119 five year old woman. 533 00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:17.000 Yeah, I was going to say, did she look like 534 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.400 she was eternally sixteen or anything? 535 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.640 Very unfortunately we're all concerned to know she did not. 536 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.799 Yeah, sorry, Celeste, I'm going to jump in really quick. 537 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.400 I called as I was a little bit late. 538 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.240 I apologize to everybody, and thank you Nick obviously for 539 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.799 hosting me. But so this is very interesting to me. 540 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.440 You're saying like a woman, uh, sort of founded the cult. 541 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.200 And I know that. 542 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.839 I've discussed this with Heidi, I've discussed this with JJ 543 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.119 and I'm sure Julia is familiar with it. But the 544 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.440 idea in process obviously Marianne Grimston and like this kind 545 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.200 of like Mother Prophet Seer Love later. And my friend Ashley, 546 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.839 who's in the chat right now, she is studying another 547 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.160 calls out of North Caro Lina called the Word of 548 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:05.000 Faith and they are called is also run by a woman, 549 00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.119 an older woman, and they call her the Mother Prophet. 550 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.279 So I was just wondering if you called her any 551 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.200 kind of particular titles other than her character. 552 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.359 We never knew her identity for sure. Like the only 553 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.000 way I know that this woman almost certainly did found 554 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.359 the whole thing is through like you know, almost twenty 555 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:30.279 years of various different people sleuthing and putting the pieces 556 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.039 together and you know, adding it all up over the years. 557 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.559 So this woman never came clean as herself and said, yeah, 558 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.480 it's me, I'm behind it. She never stepped, you know, 559 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.799 out onto the stage and took any kind of responsibility 560 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.519 that we would have given her a special name. She 561 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.200 was just always behind that smokes her. And she played Louis, 562 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:54.880 who's like the sad boy, and Rice's character Brad Pitt. Yeah, 563 00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:58.720 Brad Pitt. She played Brad Pitt. But yeah, nos so 564 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.480 in her case. No. But I will say that even 565 00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:07.119 she did exist on the forum in this group as herself. 566 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:09.960 She did have a username and logged on and would 567 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.480 tell people about you know, her gardening and her grandkids 568 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.920 and her piano playing and stuff like that. She met 569 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.319 some people in real life. I was not one of them, 570 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.799 but she did go to meetups and so on. But 571 00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.359 Onie ever as herself, and the only way that she 572 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:31.400 was special as herself was that she claimed that she 573 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.279 had met the vampires in real life and that she 574 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:36.400 was a big part of why so many people came 575 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.480 to believe because she was like, look, I'm at the time. 576 00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.480 You know, a sixty year old grandma. Why would I 577 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.480 ally to you guys about any of this, Like, I'm 578 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.319 an upstanding member of the community. I've worked the same 579 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:50.720 university job for forty years. I used to be an 580 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:54.160 opera singer. I'm a very normal person. But I'm telling 581 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.240 you that vampire is real because I've met one. And 582 00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:58.839 that was the only way that she was special. So 583 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.119 she didn't get like a special time idle. No one 584 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.279 gave her credit for running the soul operation. We really 585 00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:07.400 didn't find out until years later, but she did distinguish 586 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.880 herself insofar as she was the special one who had 587 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.359 actually had this face to face contact that all of us, 588 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:14.680 you know, desperately wanted. 589 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.960 Basically was it was like she's seen them, She's telling 590 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.599 you they're real. But I mean, I'm just surprised that 591 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:29.119 they didn't try to, like say, if you paid X 592 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.559 number dollars, you could get to meet one of them 593 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.279 or something, or like, I'm surprised they didn't they didn't 594 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:39.799 try to like monetize that in some way, like I mean, 595 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.960 I need one go ahead. 596 00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:42.880 I'm sorry, JJ. 597 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.359 No, that that's a great point. 598 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:45.960 I was thinking the same thing what was their in game, 599 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:47.799 but they're not trying to monetize it, Like what is 600 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:48.359 their in game? 601 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.640 Well, they make a lot of money on these balls 602 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:52.960 she's talking about. You have to dress a certain way, 603 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.440 you have to have everything to the utmost, like like 604 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:57.319 a big deal. 605 00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.839 Yeah. And if they were in some way connected with 606 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.400 which I don't know if they were or not. I mean, 607 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.640 you know, again, before anyone's lawyers descend upon me, I'm 608 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.920 definitely not saying that my group no were officially a 609 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:13.720 part of that, but there may have been other income streams. 610 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:18.240 But I think also any attempts they made to monetize 611 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:21.480 just didn't work. I mean, their last ditch effort to 612 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.640 monetize was around about twenty ten and they started this 613 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.960 like vampire Facebook thing. It was. It was pretty well 614 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.880 made site. I wish I had screenshots of that, but 615 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.160 I don't. I mean, it worked very well. They clearly 616 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.799 had hired a web designer who really knew what they 617 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.960 were doing, and they had a whole thing set up 618 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.599 and they were trying to position that and launch it. 619 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.400 As you know, this is the alternative Vampire's only Facebook, 620 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.039 and we're going to be rich off that. And I 621 00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:51.440 think it just didn't go anywhere. I don't know if 622 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:55.000 that's because so many people in the community again just 623 00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.640 like didn't really have the money and weren't that interested, 624 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.319 and but yeah, they didn't monetize it. I think what 625 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.000 they were in it for. I mean, I have a 626 00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.480 couple of theories. Main theory is that these people were 627 00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:10.760 just not well, especially this like older lady you know, 628 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.760 who passed away recently. Not to speak ill of the dead, 629 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:18.400 but I just don't think that you could possibly be 630 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:22.480 a well human being if you spend thirty plus years 631 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.400 of your life as a fully grown adult with children 632 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.719 and grandchildren and a job and a life lying to 633 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.639 miners on the internet that you are a vampire or 634 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.599 have met vampire something. It's not right in your head. 635 00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:39.719 You're not doing well. Yeah, so mental illness possibly, But 636 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.599 I think it was attention. I think it was control. 637 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.719 I think being able to convince a huge group of 638 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:52.079 people to believe something bananas has a lot of appeal 639 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.400 for a certain type of person, and so I think 640 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:56.320 that was the payoff. 641 00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:01.039 Really, how many people do you, like round about were 642 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.400 involved in the group when you were When I was. 643 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.639 A part of the group, there were about I want 644 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.559 to say three or four hundred people like registered as aaing. 645 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:18.159 That's pretty good, that's pretty good for Yeah, I mean 646 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.400 not all of them are hustred or something. 647 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.480 Yeah, not all of them were like regularly active. So 648 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:26.400 we had definitely that many people who were there and 649 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.800 observing or whatever. I would say in terms of like 650 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:33.199 active participating members probably close it about one hundred and fifty. 651 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.239 And then off that there was even smaller inner circle 652 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:41.119 group of which I was unfortunately part, and that was 653 00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.159 maybe like thirty people thirty thirty five people who were 654 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.840 you know, going and meeting each other offline and going 655 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:51.840 to meet up events and extremely invested in like the narrative. 656 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.320 But yeah, pretty big group comparatively. 657 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.840 Did you just get rid of it with age or 658 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.760 they use said they kicked you out or. 659 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:07.000 Oh yeah they kicked me out, which I would use to. 660 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.639 Send me proof and they were like, you know what, 661 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.000 you're out of the group. 662 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.559 Pretty much honestly, Yeah, I would love to say that 663 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.039 I had just matured and become a more sensible person 664 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.480 and walked away, but very sadly, no, they eroded my 665 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.000 mental health over I mean, you know, other things were 666 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.239 also eroding my mental health and fairness. They're not completely responsible. 667 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.599 But I was not doing well in my early twenties 668 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:36.079 and my late teens, and I think for me, you know, 669 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.280 a lot of my peers who were in the same 670 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.519 group were able to take things a little bit more 671 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:45.519 lightly and they were able to kind of participate. And yes, 672 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.400 it was impacting them and changing the way they viewed 673 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.079 the world, and they were invested, but they weren't quite 674 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.480 as invested as I was. You know, I was all 675 00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:01.760 in to a damaging degree. But I also really really 676 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:07.960 struggled to fully believe even though I was all in, 677 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.079 even though I really wanted it to be true, I 678 00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.360 really struggled with just like being like, Okay, cool, yeah, 679 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.559 this is all real. Let's move let's move on with 680 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.760 with you know, whatever's going on. And so I think 681 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.960 the doubt and the constantly looking for answers. You know, 682 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.519 I was constantly I mean that's why I have files 683 00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.199 on my computer to this day with all the evidence. 684 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.880 I was always talking to people, asking questions, trying to 685 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.119 find out the truth. I would have conversations with the vampires, 686 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.599 the moderators and say, look, there's been ten years, you 687 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:42.840 guys can just tell me what's really going on? Like, 688 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:44.519 we don't have to do we don't have to do 689 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.079 all this. You know, if we're friends, we're friends, we've 690 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.800 built a relationship over a decade, you'd just be real 691 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.280 with me, and they wouldn't. And so then I took 692 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.639 matters into my own hands to try and discover the 693 00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.119 truth whether they were going to tell me or not, 694 00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.719 which included tracking down he addresses and talking to people 695 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:03.239 that they didn't want me to talk to. 696 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.480 I'll get you kicked out every time. 697 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.559 Yes it will, Yes, it will. And so that's it, 698 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.480 and that's why they booted me. Ultimately, was just having 699 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:17.199 conversations with the wrong people, asking too many questions. And 700 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.000 I think from their perspective, you know, not to not 701 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.719 to be overly fair to a bunch of people who 702 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.559 light and manipulated miners for years, but from their perspective, 703 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.079 I think it was like this. You know, I was 704 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:33.239 making trouble. I was not just swallowing what they had 705 00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:37.079 to tell me and sitting down quietly and dealing with it. 706 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:37.960 And they didn't like that. 707 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.519 So mm hmmm, yeah, no kidding, Hey, JJ, that sounds 708 00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:43.440 like the Mormons. 709 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:45.920 I was going to say the exact same thing. 710 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.639 That sounds like the same damn experience serious former Mormons. 711 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:51.800 I was thinking the same thing. 712 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:53.679 Yeah, and I. 713 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.119 Feel like it's common to a lot of those groups, right, Like, 714 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.519 but my roommate actually is a former Mormons, so I've 715 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:06.000 I've heard Mormon stuff. But also, you know, scientology, you've 716 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.000 got the same thing. If you're out, you're out. That's it. 717 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.360 You're a non person, and they're going to tell us, 718 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.880 socialise about you, and turn other people against you. And 719 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.239 this was much the same, just on a very smaller scale. 720 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:26.800 Well, the scientologists are hiding what what are they hiding? 721 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:27.760 I have theories. 722 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.280 I'd rather be a part of the vampire cult than 723 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:39.559 the Mormons, just just saying they're waiting. I'd much rather 724 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.079 be part of a vampire cult. But I did have 725 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.760 a question for you. Have you ever watched the show 726 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:53.000 or the movie called Catfish? Yeah, okay, so you know 727 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.119 how like in the in the movie Catfish, like the 728 00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:00.360 original Catfish story, he shows up and it's the one 729 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.159 lady and she's playing like many many roles. I mean, 730 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:08.079 she's got like twenty Facebook accounts set up. She's got 731 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:13.280 like cousins and brothers and like moms and all this stuff, 732 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.559 and it's just one lady, and you know, she had 733 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.960 convinced this guy had completely fallen in love with her, 734 00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.679 and you know, showed up and she even like brought 735 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.880 him in her house and was still trying to keep 736 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:30.039 the ruse up. So, I mean, the thing is, when 737 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.519 you start digging in and you start trying to find 738 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.440 answers because you feel like something's fishy, they will, at 739 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.159 all costs try to keep the fantasy alive. Yeah, so 740 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.760 they probably would have rather gotten rid of you than 741 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.599 to just been like, hey, nobody's really a vampire here. 742 00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:53.400 We're busted. You know, They're gonna go down to the 743 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.360 last moment getting people to think they're really vampires than 744 00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.840 to just be like busted, you know what I mean? 745 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.159 One hundred percent. I remember watching Catfish for the first time. 746 00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:04.840 I can't remember when that came out, but it's going 747 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:06.920 to have been sometime in the early two thousands, I think, 748 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.320 And I remember watching it at the time and being 749 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:13.280 like this is the same. Like I knew on some level, 750 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.960 I was like, what I am involved in is going 751 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.519 to it is going to be this, And there was 752 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:26.039 always sorry already so much, so much whispering behind the 753 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.239 scenes between those of us who were participants of this, saying, 754 00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:30.840 you know, oh, do you think that so and so 755 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.480 is real? Do you think that this person's really a plant? 756 00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.360 You know? Is this a fake profile? Is that a 757 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.000 fake profile? Like we were highly suspicious the whole time. 758 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:42.960 I found out years later, actually, like a couple of 759 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.320 years ago, I reconnected with some people who were part 760 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.599 of this group, and one of these women said to me, 761 00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.320 she was like, you know, you can tell me now, 762 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.679 were you one of the vampires? I was like, bitch, no, 763 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:57.719 my life had been so much easier if that had 764 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:01.719 been the truth. You know, that's the level of distrust 765 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:07.320 and like weirdness that it created between all of those Yeah. 766 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.480 No, for sure, what are your theories not not legally 767 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:15.119 tendering any kind of uh aspect behind that? 768 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.119 Yeah? Yeah, we got to cover cover our legal basis 769 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:26.840 my theories. So, as I said, you know, yesterday was 770 00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.280 a weird day because I found this lady's obituary and 771 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.760 by adding certain things, I mean there were pictures in 772 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.239 this lady's like oh bit slide show that I remember 773 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:36.840 being posted to the forum. So I was like, oh, 774 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.280 this is her? And then I ran it by a 775 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.400 friend of mine who actually met this woman in real life. 776 00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.760 I said, just to confirm, is this is this? You know, 777 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:46.559 I'm not going to say her name, but is this 778 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:51.360 Bonnie fake name? Is this Bonnie from the forum who 779 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.920 we all think probably played Louis? And my friend was like, well, 780 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:59.800 that's her. So I guess theory one is it really 781 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:03.519 was just a bunch of n Riis super fans who 782 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.880 were also not well in some way or had to 783 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.519 void that they needed to fill, and they were filling 784 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:16.599 that by being highly manipulative and sketchy on the internet. 785 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.519 That's that's the first and probably most likely theory. But 786 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:25.599 I do have a kind of secondary theory which dovetails 787 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.079 into the occult a little bit. You know, I'm a 788 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.480 witch full time now, that's what I do as a job. 789 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.039 In that line of work, I've seen a lot of 790 00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:36.400 shit and gotten down a lot of rabbit holes and 791 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.159 and a lot of research and reading. And you know 792 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.760 the concept of the aggregor right where or like theater 793 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.559 eggor tulpa thought form. It's got different names that people use, 794 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.000 but the idea that like a concentrated amount of belief 795 00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:55.159 and focus and sometimes meditation or magical practice can create 796 00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.400 a being or a manifestation or like a fai that 797 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.320 exists independently from the people who are putting that energy 798 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.599 into it. There is a part of me that thinks 799 00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.079 that something like that was going on in this group, 800 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:13.760 not by accident, but purposefully. And I say that because 801 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.000 a lot of the people who were running this forum, 802 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.000 I mean Lastat especially, but some of the other moderators too, 803 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.039 knew a lot about the occult. They were posting about Felima, 804 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.800 they were posting about Ederer Rosen Tulpa's Tibetan Buddhism, and 805 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.599 so that calls into question was there some other purpose 806 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.519 for all this beyond just like Trala la la la 807 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.039 la to pretend to be vampires. 808 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:40.360 You know. 809 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.719 I was going to ask earlier because I was wondering, 810 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:47.719 like sometimes just like even if people just being manipulated 811 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.400 and used, it might be an occultist this somewhere, And 812 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.880 I was going to ask if they entertained the occult 813 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.760 on this form. I just didn't get to asking it, 814 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.400 So I guess I guess they didn't. They were open 815 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:57.800 about it. 816 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:03.000 Yeah, they were open about it. They were looking back, 817 00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:06.679 you know, I think teaching us in some ways. I 818 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:08.440 mean a lot of us were kids. I was a kid, 819 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.760 and I definitely learned about a lot of these occult 820 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.639 topics and was sort of guided through how to do 821 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.039 further research and learn more by these people. Dreams were 822 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.079 a huge part of what they did, like dreaming and 823 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:26.760 dream work and lucid dreaming and dream walking each other 824 00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:31.320 and stuff like that. I first heard the term synchronicity 825 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.440 on this forum and like read the works of Carl 826 00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:41.239 Jung because of the forum. So yeah, actually, because. 827 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.960 Go ahead, he was saying, Oh, I said they would 828 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.599 like get in your dreams. Is that what that means? 829 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:49.199 Oh? 830 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.840 Yeah, that was a whole That was a whole other thing. 831 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.440 And I mean, look, i am a full time professional 832 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:56.599 witch and I've experienced some weird shit, but I'm also 833 00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:58.599 a skeptic. Like it's a weird line to draw, but 834 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.119 I've kind of got Scully one shoulder and Molder on 835 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.480 the other, you know. But there were some things that 836 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.760 I can't really explain. There was some dream experiences. I've 837 00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:10.519 always been a lucid dreamer. I've always been a very 838 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:12.639 vivid dreamer since I was a tiny little kid. But 839 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.079 there were some things that happened while I was a 840 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:19.880 part of this forum that were extremely strange. Waking up 841 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.840 Lake with my body covered in bruises in places wouldn't 842 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:28.559 have made sense for me to be like knocking myself around, 843 00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:30.679 you know. Yeah, weird stuff. 844 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:33.159 Wow, that sounds pretty wild. 845 00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.360 Yeah, I was piggyback on next tape, and I was 846 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.320 curious too when you mentioned earlier Julia about the Lilith, 847 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:44.679 the original vampire. So Michael Quina's wife, Lilith, when they 848 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.159 first started the temple A set, she starts this thing 849 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:49.280 called I'm not sure if you're familiar with this list. 850 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:54.800 The vampire order or the order of the Vampire. Yeah. Yeah, 851 00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:55.719 so there's some sort of. 852 00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.679 Mashed together of the Lima, like you were saying, and 853 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:01.639 in some sort of vampire business. 854 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:03.639 Oh my god. 855 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.880 And it's like you see that a lot. I think, 856 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:09.519 pardon me, I'm getting sloking over this cold. You see 857 00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:12.719 that a lot? I think with for whatever reason, Thelema 858 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.599 just seems to like slot very nicely into just like 859 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.159 the other belief systems, and it kind of but you know, 860 00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.320 you've seen that with the Tiffony and Oto, right, like 861 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:26.800 that's HP Lovecraft mythology, but it's blended with Thelma and 862 00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:31.960 so yeah, I don't know whether there was something purposeful 863 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.400 going on behind the scenes that was ramping up to 864 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.199 become more organized or more like official in some way. 865 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:40.840 Maybe it did, and I just don't know about it. 866 00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:41.079 You know. 867 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.679 Well, I have a little thing to sort of piggy 868 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.360 back off JJ. Is that there is I don't know 869 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.920 if you're familiar with it's lust, but there is an order. 870 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.679 It's called vampire Buddhism for vampires. 871 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:54.800 Excuse me, oh, I don't know. 872 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:59.000 He So it's very larpaye and like a lot of 873 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.960 of the we'll say, very online Buddhists, especially on Twitter, 874 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.400 we all laugh at it. But there is something that 875 00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.920 you're you're right about, because we do talk a lot 876 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.639 about like things like the Carnel Ground, and we have 877 00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:17.039 vampires and obviously like the kind of Babylon figure like 878 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:20.679 the Dikinis, the Red Girls, a scarlet woman that's very 879 00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:24.800 prominent in Buddhism. So and they are sometimes considered vampires. 880 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.079 But it's a conceptual. It's not literal. It's just it's 881 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.679 a strictly conceptual. So I but I can understand if 882 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.119 you were a more literalist person, like you're saying like 883 00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.719 you were taking sort of these books that are fictional, 884 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.480 but you're sort of taking them out of their context 885 00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.960 and making them like a liturgical or religious text. 886 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:46.360 This is very interesting. 887 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:53.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's and I think, you know, you 888 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.639 bring up a really great point there too, because they're 889 00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.400 in the in the tradition of witchcraft that I now practice. 890 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.639 Let's enter it from that, I practice like a kind 891 00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:08.199 of hybrid tread craft, like traditional witchcraft blended with sort 892 00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.000 of folk Catholicism, that sort of where my practice pulls. 893 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.440 But in traditional witchcraft and in folkloric witchcraft, I mean 894 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:19.280 you're drawing on folk tales. You're drawing on groom noirs 895 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:23.280 written by people, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, 896 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:26.920 which are in turn drawing on folk tales to formulate 897 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.960 this sort of spiritual system in this magical practice. And 898 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.920 so I think that the line between stories and reality 899 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.440 is not quite as like firmly delineated as sometimes we 900 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.519 think it is, especially if you're a magical practitioner, if 901 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:46.000 you're an occultist, like story and narrative are kind of 902 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:50.559 the driving force of an occult worldview, whether or not 903 00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:56.079 your story is you know, Crowley's writings or HP lovecraft 904 00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.320 writings through the lens of Crowley, you know, or fairy 905 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:03.320 tales like it becomes the lens you are looking at 906 00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:05.840 the world through. And so I think you know, in 907 00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.400 your case you're talking about the vampire is not, of course, 908 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:11.159 a literal thing that's going to go come to your 909 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:12.679 house and drink your blood in the middle of the night. 910 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:16.159 It's a it's a sort of metaphorical or symbolic kind 911 00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:22.119 of role. But I think sometimes there's more overlap in 912 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.760 those things than we realize, if that makes sense. 913 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.239 Absolutely. I mean this is something that I Nick knows. 914 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.679 I'm really fascinated by this idea of like parafiction and metafiction, 915 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.639 like looking at the exactly like what you said, like 916 00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.239 Crowley's writing, it'ssel full of fiction, but the people can't 917 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:42.199 really distinguish it. So there's a point where it doesn't 918 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.440 even matter because it is kind of real. 919 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:46.280 It is real if you believe it. 920 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.960 Mm hmmmmmm mm hm. 921 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:57.480 So you did mention, Oh you said the lima was 922 00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:59.280 like definitely, was that like more of a bigger thing 923 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:00.519 that really. 924 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:05.920 Like on the forum, not not explicitly they were putting 925 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:10.760 ideas out there that were, you know, Belama adjacent, I 926 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.679 would say, but they were mishmashing a lot of different 927 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.599 spiritual concepts. There was just a real there seemed to 928 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.679 be for them, like for these ban Bio moderators, a 929 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:25.800 real fascination and definitely a level of knowledge about topics 930 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.480 that definitely far exceeded what most of us are. What, 931 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:32.320 like the average you on the street wouldn't know. 932 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.440 Did you have any members on there that had like 933 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.039 sigils that they've made of themselves, like as their logo 934 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:39.960 and stuff like that. 935 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:42.679 I can't remember that off the top of my head, 936 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.079 but I'm sure we did. I mean, sigil magic. It 937 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:48.280 did become yeah, it did become a yeah. And because 938 00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:51.119 I think I know where you're going with I think 939 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:55.960 I know where you're going with that. Maybe I don't 940 00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.719 recall it, but it wouldn't surprise me. And I think 941 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:02.760 if I'm right about where you're going with that, I 942 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.800 think the concept is the same. I mean, I think 943 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.599 I've seen people in the chat saying, you know, energy vampires. 944 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:11.280 I think that there were there was some kind of 945 00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:15.920 energetic exchange happening, whether that whether you know, we use 946 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.400 the term energy vampire or a psychic vampire for just 947 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:20.599 regular people in our lives who piss us off. Right, 948 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.320 You're like boss who sucks the air out of the 949 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:27.400 room immediately he walks in. If you're talking about it 950 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.639 in an occult context, you're talking about somebody who's doing 951 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.760 it more purposefully. They're trying to suck that energy out 952 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.360 of you to kind of benefit themselves. And I think 953 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.360 that there was a level of like energy siphoning or 954 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:42.559 energy like vamporism going on in that in that place, 955 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.960 I suspect purposefully. I don't remember sigils being a part 956 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:50.159 of it explicitly, but it also wouldn't surprise me if 957 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:50.760 that were the case. 958 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:53.519 Well did you. 959 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.280 I was just going to say, did you have any 960 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.480 other supernatural experience while you were a part of that 961 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:04.280 cole other than like the dreams and stuff? 962 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.360 Most of what I directly experienced was stuff that took 963 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.320 place in like a a dream or dream adjacent space. 964 00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:17.159 So and for that reason, you know, again, it's hard 965 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.159 for me because I'm pretty pragmatic and skeptical, but I'm 966 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.960 also somebody who like lives in this world and does 967 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:28.519 this for a living, so I in my brain, I 968 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:32.119 hold two realities to be true at once. One the 969 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:34.679 brain is weird, and when we're asleep or hop asleep, 970 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:39.639 it does also a weird shit. But how you're going 971 00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:41.639 to interpret that weird shit that your brain is doing 972 00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:43.519 is really going to depend what your worldview is. If 973 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.559 you're a super like you know, my partner is extremely scientific. 974 00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:49.920 He's like, he doesn't really He's fascinated by mysticism and 975 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:51.760 the occult, but he doesn't really ascribe to it. He's 976 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.840 a very sort of science based guy. And so if 977 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.880 he has a hypnagogic hallucination of something, he's waken up 978 00:53:57.880 --> 00:53:59.840 from a dream and he sees, you know, a guy's 979 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:01.519 to in the corner of his room, he's just going 980 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.519 to be like, my brain's doing something weird. If I 981 00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.800 see that, I'm going to say, my brain's doing something weird. 982 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:10.639 But what is it trying to tell me? Is there 983 00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.280 some you know, why is this happening today instead of 984 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.679 last week? Is there some message that I'm supposed to 985 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.360 be taking from this thing that I'm seeing, Which I 986 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:22.320 realize i'm rambling now, But to your point, most of 987 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.400 the things that I experienced in the cult that I 988 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:27.360 would describe as in some way paranormal took place in 989 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:31.480 that kind of sphere. The biggest weirdest thing was that 990 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:35.880 I did have one night an experience where I had 991 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:40.760 been very frustrated with my lack of direct experience. All 992 00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.280 these other people, you know, this now dead seventy five 993 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:46.440 year old woman, were walking around being like, oh, yeah, 994 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.719 I meet the vampires all the time, and they send 995 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:50.960 me roses and take me out to lunch, and I'm like, bitch, 996 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.199 excuse me, Like where's my interaction? You know, I'm pissed. 997 00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.760 I'm like, she looks like a tiny old woman and 998 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.840 I'm a hot seventeen year old. What's going over? I 999 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:03.800 can be his stuff? 1000 00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.400 Where's my It's like a mindfucker, I can see that. 1001 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.840 Yeah right, yeah, so. 1002 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.639 I can going to bed that night and I'm like, 1003 00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.199 you know, kind of talking in my head to one 1004 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.800 of these vampire moderators that I had a rapport with, 1005 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:24.679 and mentally, I'm just like listen, motherfucker, Like this has 1006 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.400 gone on long enough. We we have been talking back 1007 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.039 and forth for so long, and you've been playing these 1008 00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:30.760 mind games with me, and you've been sending me these 1009 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:35.119 little dreams like show up, show up, motherfucker. I'm I 1010 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.800 won't go crazy. So I full sleep and I wake 1011 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:40.960 up in the middle of the night, as as you 1012 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.400 do sometimes, and I'm rolling over and I stretch my 1013 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:46.400 legs out a nice, big, like sleepy time stretch, and 1014 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.840 my foot connects with a shape on the end of 1015 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.559 my bed, like a like a heft, and I think 1016 00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.599 a trust is just like one of my cats or something, 1017 00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:58.199 and so I kind of opened my eyes blearly. I'm 1018 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:00.679 kind of feeling around this long and I realized that 1019 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.639 it's too big to be a cat. And when I 1020 00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:05.639 open my eyes, I see that it's a figure sitting 1021 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.360 on the end of my bed. And it was very 1022 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.079 odd because I don't get sleep paralysis. I definitely do 1023 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.760 have hypnagogic hallucinations. I definitely do have lucid dreams, but 1024 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.559 I've never been asleep paralysis. Girly, So I'm seeing this 1025 00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.480 thing sitting at the end of my bed, and cognitively, 1026 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.400 I'm realizing, this is what you asked for, this is 1027 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.639 what you wanted to happen, like this is your chance. 1028 00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:33.199 But then my entire body is flooded with terror, just 1029 00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:36.320 extreme terror, like what I hear people. When people describe 1030 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.280 sleep paralysis, I assume that this is what they're experiencing, 1031 00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:43.039 like it was that level of visceral just like And 1032 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:50.679 then as I'm experiencing this, suddenly it's almost like getting anesthesia. 1033 00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:53.440 I'm suddenly not afraid at all anymore. All the physical 1034 00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:56.599 trappings of anxiety, like your heart rate going up and 1035 00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.800 all of that, it just goes. And so again, cognitively, 1036 00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.639 I'm no one'm scared, but I can't access the fear 1037 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:06.639 anymore either. And as I'm looking at all this happened. This, 1038 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:11.280 this person is crawling up to bed toward me, and 1039 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:15.400 my brain is my brain is like, stay awake, stay awake, 1040 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.360 stay awake, stay awake. You wanted this, don't go sleep 1041 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:23.360 thro sep and I just fall asleep. And I woke 1042 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.360 up in the morning and my bedside light was on, 1043 00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:28.840 which it had been off before I had gone to bed. 1044 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.440 My bedroom door is open, which it had been closed 1045 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:35.519 before I went to bed, and I was like, well, 1046 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.800 and I think from memory, I logged onto the forum 1047 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:40.960 later that day, the group that I was a part of, 1048 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:44.280 and spoke to that moderator and he said some cryptic 1049 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:48.599 shit about you know, you know, how did you sleep 1050 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.679 or whatever, you know, which could have been just innocuous coincidence. 1051 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:56.159 But at the time, like you didn't say anything about it. 1052 00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:58.639 I think I had. I might have had a conversation 1053 00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.880 with him about it, but it was it was one 1054 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:02.719 of those things too where you never wanted to like, 1055 00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:06.840 you never wanted them to think that you were going crazy, 1056 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:08.920 because if they thought you were going crazy and you 1057 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:10.639 were like getting in way over your head, you were 1058 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:12.320 also going to get the boot, like if you were 1059 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.920 too crazy. So you had to kind of play it gingerly. 1060 00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:17.320 And I think I, you know, I'm sure we had 1061 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.280 it back and forth about it where he said some 1062 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.400 cryptic shit and I read into it and was secretly panicking, 1063 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.480 but I was just like, oh, yeah, it's looked fine. 1064 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:27.360 Why do you ask, you. 1065 00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:32.280 Know, right, he's basically saying like like cryptic shit like 1066 00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.280 nice Pj's last night, or right right, I hear you. 1067 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.000 Say you're sleep bitch like whatever. 1068 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:40.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just have to say, 1069 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:44.760 for me, if I experienced something like that, whether it 1070 00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:48.000 was related to the form or not, I would perceive 1071 00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:51.239 that it was, and also it would make me feel 1072 00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:54.360 like it was more real than ever. I don't know, 1073 00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:56.519 you know, because you were awfully young when you were 1074 00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:59.159 involved with this, and I know how I was at 1075 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.480 that age, and I feel like that would have been 1076 00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:04.320 proof to me that these are this is like real 1077 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:08.440 and I'm really involved with something here. And yeah, I 1078 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:11.639 can see how you got wrapped in that, because damn 1079 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:13.559 is all I got to say about that. 1080 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:18.039 Did they try and like encourage you to have because 1081 00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:21.079 in the other interview I did, he spoke a lot 1082 00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:26.320 about dreams but also dream sexually connecting, and I would assume, 1083 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:29.840 I mean, like, if they're in this group and they're 1084 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.519 trying to harness energy, that's. 1085 00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:32.880 Like a really good way to do it. 1086 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:35.079 That aspect. 1087 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:46.960 Sorry, et in the room. Yeah, yes, it was. Again, 1088 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.960 it was one of those weird things where that was 1089 00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:52.119 a topic that was definitely broached. It was also because 1090 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:56.880 it was also like still in a weird sense role play, 1091 00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:59.480 Like it was still you know, these these people are 1092 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.079 these characters, and even though we really believe that they 1093 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:04.840 are these characters. We had a chat room, you know, 1094 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:06.760 a group chat room, and people would go in and 1095 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:08.960 like write little scenes together. We had this whole thing 1096 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.159 where there was like a graveyard that we would all 1097 01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.199 go hang out in and write these little stories together. 1098 01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.880 And multiple times over the history of my involvement with 1099 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:21.519 this group, various different members had you know, like cyber 1100 01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:24.840 sax with the moderators and things like that, and there 1101 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:28.039 definitely were conversations about Oh, I'm going to come visit 1102 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:32.880 you in your dreams. Nudge nudgewinkquink. You know, never really 1103 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:36.760 happened to me. Interestingly, I think I was way too 1104 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.480 crazy pants and they were just like, oh, let's not 1105 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.159 give her any more fuel for that fire. She believes enough, 1106 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:48.639 she's enough of a loose canon without us adding that 1107 01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:50.320 to the mix. But one of the things that did 1108 01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.599 occur in the in the group, which in rent I 1109 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.360 mean it could never happen today, like somebody's parents would 1110 01:00:56.360 --> 01:01:00.800 be filing in lawsuit. There were kids were like thirteen 1111 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.559 and fourteen who these people were having these like cyber 1112 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:09.440 sex relationships with you know, yeah. 1113 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:11.480 Every cult's a sex cult. 1114 01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:12.960 It's inevitable. 1115 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:18.800 Yeah, I mean, fourteen was the age right for Joseph too, 1116 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.360 so I mean, but really, honestly, if they're practicing a 1117 01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:26.920 cult magic, then they're they're going to know that, you know, 1118 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:29.320 especially if it's virginal hate to be weird. 1119 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.599 That's some powerful magic, you know what. 1120 01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:36.239 I seen year old vamp sex. 1121 01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:39.320 Right right, That's that's the that's the business that's going 1122 01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:41.320 to make you young forever in one way or another, 1123 01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:47.360 more imprisoned forever, you know if it we're twenty twenty five, right, Yeah. 1124 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:47.960 Well that's why I had wanted to do it. I 1125 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:49.679 wanted to bring it up because I thought I could 1126 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.440 have been part of you know, like JJ was even 1127 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.360 trying to this before, like what's what's their means? What 1128 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:56.880 are they getting out of this? I was wondering if 1129 01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:59.480 there was some sort of yeah, if there was even 1130 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:01.559 just a hate saying it's just like LARPers, who are 1131 01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:04.880 even just trying to get some online ass, you know, because. 1132 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.960 Yeah, send me a picture because. 1133 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:10.440 I'm thinking you're already. 1134 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:12.559 Yeah. 1135 01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.840 We've been talking about vampire cult here on the cult 1136 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:19.880 rejects across the United States, Mexico and now some Australia stuff. 1137 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.159 So is this the question we ask every other time 1138 01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.599 is what's the is this like Australian mk ultro situations 1139 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:26.320 connected to this. 1140 01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:30.840 Because that's what it seems like with the American Mexican versions. 1141 01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.960 That is true. I forgot that we have covered those vampire. 1142 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:39.199 We talked a lot of vampire stuff somewhat unrelated. 1143 01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:41.880 He played a vampire, but he then finds that money 1144 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:46.000 to finance the sex cult stuff. 1145 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.559 Yeah, I mean everybody in this group. I was one 1146 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:56.719 of the only Australian people, so everybody else was the 1147 01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:02.480 US base. Even kulture thing is interesting. I mean, I 1148 01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.920 don't really believe this I will have yet, but like 1149 01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:09.519 in my in my decade plus to like ruminate on 1150 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:12.559 all the experiences and just let my galaxy brain like 1151 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:16.559 ponder possibilities. There have been moments where I've been like 1152 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:20.760 this psyop, like was this some sort of like government 1153 01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:25.239 like CIA psychic recruitment technique? And then I'm like, no, 1154 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.000 you need to I don't even smoke weed, but if 1155 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:29.599 I did, like, you need to stop, you need to 1156 01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:32.920 put it down. That's a little too kooky. But you know, 1157 01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:36.360 I mean, the thing is that the universe and the 1158 01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:41.119 world and the Internet for sure are much weirder than 1159 01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:42.599 we think they are. 1160 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:43.000 You know. 1161 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.559 But I think you're on the right track because I 1162 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.119 think they set up these forums and stuff. Not saying 1163 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.039 anything about you because obviously you're a lovely person. Oh no, 1164 01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.079 of course, I think you look for levels of psychopathy 1165 01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:58.519 and people. I think the QAnon thing should prove that 1166 01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:04.519 to everyone. They weaponize these forums, They get into people's heads, 1167 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:09.000 they get them believe in stuff. They see what levels 1168 01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:13.199 they can push you to act out in reality, and 1169 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:15.800 so yeah, I mean I think you were part of one, 1170 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.000 but I think there's many, many, many diverse, different ones 1171 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.360 you can become a part of. And they look for 1172 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:25.480 like people with levels of psychopathy that they can control 1173 01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:30.119 and manipulate and essentially, you know, have them do things. 1174 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:32.800 I think you hit the name. 1175 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.599 I think they just want to study these study human behavior. 1176 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:39.679 Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I'm glad you said that. 1177 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.400 I'm glad you put brought up the QAnon thing though. 1178 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:45.000 That's why I have a one of my best friends 1179 01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:49.199 is a just got her PhD. And she's working in 1180 01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:52.880 a research capacity, or was until very recently for reasons. 1181 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:58.119 But she's working on research to do with online extremism 1182 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:04.039 and you know how groups online can become a little 1183 01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:08.760 dangerous for various reasons. She's been reading school shooter manifestos 1184 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:10.599 for the best better part of five years, and she's 1185 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.519 very tired and very sad, as you can imagine. But 1186 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:16.440 over the last seat week we were talking about this. 1187 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.320 She's known about this part of my history for years, 1188 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:19.719 but she was like, you really need to read this 1189 01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:23.960 book by this woman who just published a nonfiction book 1190 01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:26.679 about QAnon. And the book's called The Quiet Damage by 1191 01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:30.960 Jesslin Cook. It's really really, really good. Highly recommend everybody 1192 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:34.760 read it. But it talks about what it looks like 1193 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:38.159 for regular people to get entangled in things like this, 1194 01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:42.199 entangled into communities and into belief systems that do completely 1195 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:48.639 change their outlook on life, but also have these overatching consequences, 1196 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:52.039 not just for their immediate families and their social groups, 1197 01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:56.920 but for you know, possibly the country, the world. And 1198 01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:59.440 I think it's I think it's much more common when 1199 01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.679 we think, and honest, the example that people point to 1200 01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.320 was the real like oh boy, like that's the crazy 1201 01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:08.119 the crazies, right, But there's a lot of groups like. 1202 01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:12.239 That, and I was gonna say there was like varying 1203 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:16.199 degrees of it. There's somebody who's been in our chat 1204 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.039 the last couple of minutes. His name is Drew, and 1205 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:23.159 I actually did a show with him before and we 1206 01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:27.119 talked about the Hoover Dam and there was a guy 1207 01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:30.159 who got obsessed with QAnon and he got in his 1208 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.719 car and drove it to the Hoover Dam and was 1209 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.920 going to try to blow it up or something like that. 1210 01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:39.440 I mean, it's it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. People get 1211 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:41.880 obsessed with these things. But I have to say, though, 1212 01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:46.480 do you remember when my Space came out? All right, 1213 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.639 that was like the thing to do before Facebook, and 1214 01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.199 you had like your top five friends or whatever. Put 1215 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:54.400 me you put a little. 1216 01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:59.559 On yourn if you took someone out of your top five. Yeah, 1217 01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:00.320 that's a little better. 1218 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:03.960 Yes. I mean I was so into my Space when 1219 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:08.440 it first came out, and I didn't catfish. The movie 1220 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:12.760 had not come out yet, and there were several times 1221 01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:15.960 I was catfished. And when I look back on it, 1222 01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:19.559 these profiles, they'd have like five pictures and they were 1223 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:25.639 all like, you know, like supermodel edited, like hot emo guys, 1224 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.360 because that was like my generation was like emo guys. 1225 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:34.400 And they all had on like Sleeping with Sirens t 1226 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:37.119 shirts and they just were like the perfect Like, oh 1227 01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:40.000 my god, I was so obsessed. Easily I could have 1228 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:43.360 been lured to the mall, kidnapped, raped, thrown, in a 1229 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:46.360 van dead by the river. It would have been so 1230 01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:49.599 easy because nobody thought about that stuff back then, like, oh, 1231 01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.239 this can't be a real person. Let me do some 1232 01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:56.039 FBI type shit and find out, like, you know, and 1233 01:07:56.079 --> 01:08:00.480 look at this. It just wasn't nowadays. I think everybody's 1234 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.719 a freaking sci op person. I don't even trust my 1235 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:08.840 family members anymore. But like, it's just your right thing 1236 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:10.480 back then, and it. 1237 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:12.559 Was harder to even like even if you had thought 1238 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:17.600 to yourself this, like, you know, xx my wrist slit. 1239 01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.359 XX boy looks a little sketchy. I don't know if 1240 01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:22.199 he's real or not. Like, even if that had crossed 1241 01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:26.199 your mind, the tools to sleuth it out were not there. No, 1242 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:28.359 it wasn't like it is now. You have like you know, 1243 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.159 your little AI Facebook up sites where you can upload 1244 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.640 someone's picture and be like, exactly where else on the 1245 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:37.640 Internet this person has been, you know, yeah. 1246 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:40.000 Like a Google image search of that person's profile pick 1247 01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.000 and then they turn up to be like somebody else. 1248 01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.600 I mean that's how that catfish lady got away with 1249 01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:48.680 it for so long, because she would take like pictures 1250 01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:52.279 from Google or other people's facebooks and like upload them 1251 01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:55.439 and dude, she had a whole network worked out. But 1252 01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:59.800 social media and these forums and stuff and themselves, I 1253 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:04.600 think we're very They were created by design, obviously for 1254 01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:07.279 some type of outcome, and I think that they've been 1255 01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:09.880 working perfectly for whatever. That is. 1256 01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:18.239 Something I wanted to ask, and I actually mean this seriously. 1257 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:20.720 I'm just trying to get an that's what's going on here? 1258 01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:24.359 Or how far does this go besides vampires in this thing? 1259 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.199 Did they entertain other things that were maybe like you know, 1260 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:31.680 fairies and gnomes or like, I'm being serious, but no, 1261 01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:32.520 I take. 1262 01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:36.039 It in real life? Who think gnomes are real? 1263 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:36.520 Yeah? 1264 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:38.840 No, no, no, but I'm just you know what I'm saying. 1265 01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:45.279 It's fine, Yeah, no, not really. I mean I think 1266 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:49.359 that there was some We definitely had like a paranormal 1267 01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:52.159 board on the forum. I mean for anyone who's listening, 1268 01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:53.880 and you guys will will know, but for anyone who's 1269 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.079 listening is like forums boards, but you know, like you 1270 01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:58.239 had your main forum, but then you had your sub 1271 01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:00.520 boards kind of like in a discord stare for like 1272 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.239 different stuff. And there was definitely like a paranormal board 1273 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.920 where people would talk about ghosts were a big thing, 1274 01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:11.560 like ghost, spirits, apparitions, stuff like that. And I think 1275 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.560 if anyone ever came across like an interesting story about 1276 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.359 an encounter with something else like an alien or a 1277 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:19.720 gnome or whatever, I'm sure we would talk about it. 1278 01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:23.479 But it wasn't so much part of the world, you know, 1279 01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:26.159 what they were building and trying to really push on people. 1280 01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:29.199 So it was like really just strictly I guess what 1281 01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:30.640 I'm trying to get out was like there was in 1282 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.159 like other forums for other things that it was just 1283 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:35.439 strictly really that vampire. 1284 01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:38.800 Yeah, it was like vampires all day, every day, okay, 1285 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:41.560 or mostly all night because you know there's. 1286 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:49.319 Yeah, Jin said something about a PDF of Buddhism for vampires. 1287 01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:50.199 What is that? 1288 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:51.960 Okay? 1289 01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:54.760 So he was a guy that the guy who runs it, 1290 01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:59.119 he was a very famous Typhoni and OTO member, and 1291 01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:03.039 he he did train I don't know how extensively. 1292 01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:07.279 He doesn't say that's usually how it goes, but he did. 1293 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:12.000 He has some kind of initiation into some basic Vagoriana practices. 1294 01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:16.239 So then he created like a whole system of psychic vampirism. 1295 01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:19.319 He called it Buddhism for vampires because, as I said, 1296 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:22.359 we do discuss like very carnal ground. 1297 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:23.520 Kinds of ideas. 1298 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.720 So yeah, I mean there, but it is it is 1299 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:28.239 like Celestin Nick we're talking about. 1300 01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:29.560 It is typhony and oto. 1301 01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:33.279 But then it's also there are Vagriana things there are 1302 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:38.319 maybe like a kind of that like superficial I'm using 1303 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:40.479 the word in a more occultist way, but more of 1304 01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:41.880 a Satanic. 1305 01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:43.600 You know, flavor. 1306 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:47.680 But it's not it's not really like crazy Satanism. It's 1307 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:51.399 more just the aesthetic maybe like maybe a goth aesthetic. 1308 01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:53.960 So that's really what Buddhism for vampires is. 1309 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:56.640 But even if you look at the logo for it, 1310 01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.279 it is just the seven seven seven thing, like the 1311 01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:00.239 telemus are. 1312 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.479 That's all is. But they just they made they gave. 1313 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:11.399 It like a Buddhist Flairsonian. 1314 01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:13.439 Mean, Jin will be better at explaining that than me, 1315 01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:18.279 because I'm a I'm only a peripheral oh geo nowhere. 1316 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:25.720 Well, I mean, I'm I'm honestly my background is more 1317 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.159 like you sluss in a way, because like I came 1318 01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:31.520 from a left time path Catholicism kind of like I 1319 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:35.479 was really into grimoires and like you know, leftown path 1320 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:37.800 saints and all that stuff as everybody. 1321 01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:39.439 Already like Cyprian and stuff. 1322 01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:43.479 Yeah, like Cyprian, and there's other ones. There's like saying 1323 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.239 Lucy obviously, Saint Peter all those, Yeah, also left Time Path. 1324 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.520 So it depends, right, But uh so Typhony and at Well, 1325 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:53.600 I'm familiar with Kenneth Grant, so I'll explain it like this, 1326 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:57.039 Julia is Kenneth Grant. He basically wrote a series of 1327 01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:00.239 parafictional books just like we were I mentioned before, or 1328 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:05.640 so his books are half fiction half oto material, but 1329 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:08.640 he takes it in a Lovecraftian way. Well, there's really 1330 01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.880 two factions. There's a love Craftian faction, and you can 1331 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.319 see this with Temple of Set, like I really like 1332 01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:17.479 Don web Don Webb also Temple Set, but he became 1333 01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:21.119 a Buddhist afterwards, interestingly, But he wrote a lot of 1334 01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:26.439 these kind of books on a Lovecraft and how they 1335 01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:29.079 were using this idea of Lovecraft in their. 1336 01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:31.199 Magic, and how Aquino was so into it. 1337 01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.399 But then there's this other faction that is into Conan, 1338 01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:40.920 the Barbarian and the Hyperborean stories. I do, so there 1339 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.439 was a kind of factional divide. I just find that 1340 01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:47.119 very interesting. But basically he's talking about like abistle gods 1341 01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:50.199 and the Mavre, and he calls it the Gray Lodge. 1342 01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:52.319 I also have a thing called the Gray Lodge. It's 1343 01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:55.800 not related, but it is interesting that we both have 1344 01:13:55.880 --> 01:14:00.920 the same title. But basically, he's he's bringing these ideas 1345 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:04.520 that not necessarily come from mythology, are not necessarily come 1346 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.760 from excuse me, like a religious cosmology, but he's drawing 1347 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:12.800 from this kind of fictional mythology that's contemporary, and they're 1348 01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:18.039 bringing it into actual magical ideas, not just the facts 1349 01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:23.479 of the fiction, but they're actually applying like more technical ideas, 1350 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.239 and then they're slatting in the names. 1351 01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:29.520 The faces, the aesthetic, it's all of it. 1352 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:33.439 And so could you do that with anything? 1353 01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:33.640 Though? 1354 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:36.600 Could you do that with like vampires and put them 1355 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:36.960 in there? 1356 01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:40.520 Yeah? Yes, Okay, that's what pass magicians magic. 1357 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:43.359 I was just gonna say, chass magic with typhony and 1358 01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:45.039 sex magic to the goddess. 1359 01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:49.079 That's another reason why I asked about the sigils as well. 1360 01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:53.199 There I'm just saying a lot of chaos magicians and 1361 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.039 love sigils. So that's why I was asking if people 1362 01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:55.479 are using some. 1363 01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:00.680 J of knowledge. 1364 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.800 I love you. 1365 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:08.319 That was an awesome awesome explanation. I've always been fascinated 1366 01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:10.520 by the Tifoni and OTO. I mean, I love Lovecraft, 1367 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.279 and even though I have not now and will not 1368 01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:17.239 ever join the OTO in any capacity for personal reasons, 1369 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:23.880 I am fascinated, you know by that. I think there's 1370 01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:27.760 it's such rich fodder, Like stories are rich fodder, right, 1371 01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:33.439 especially if you get a rich mythology like love crafty 1372 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:36.479 and mythology or I mean, I am only possibly familiar 1373 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:38.960 with Conan the Barbarian, but you're kind of you're taking 1374 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:41.920 an intellectual property or a world or a mythology that 1375 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:46.399 already has all the interlocking parts, but also an engine 1376 01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:49.199 of people who have fed into it, even though most 1377 01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:52.000 people are not reading HP. Love Croft's work and being like, oh, 1378 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:55.920 that's all definitely real. It's it's energy behind it from 1379 01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:58.279 people for you know, well not hundreds of years, but 1380 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:01.119 people for like a very long time reading and investing 1381 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:05.840 and being interested. And that's energy. That's energy that they 1382 01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:07.039 was a little battery. 1383 01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:12.199 They made a show about it, right, my am. I 1384 01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:13.920 the only one who saw that. It was like HB. 1385 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:15.000 Love Craft Show. 1386 01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:16.920 County. 1387 01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:18.479 I didn't watch it, but I heard it was. 1388 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:24.199 Oh yeah, I saw the first season, and it's everything 1389 01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:28.239 you would expect it to be. But yeah, no, this stuff, 1390 01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:32.000 this stuff really interests me because you know, I talk 1391 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.880 a lot about occultism and stuff like that, but I 1392 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.079 don't I don't know the ins and outs of it, 1393 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:41.359 like you know, Gin or even Celeste or Nick. I 1394 01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:47.079 just I know that peripheral. If I want to know 1395 01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:49.960 something about the process church, I'll ask you a j. 1396 01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:54.479 That I do know. There you go, I can tell 1397 01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:56.079 I can help you with that that as well. 1398 01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:57.960 But one thing I did know about the Typhony and 1399 01:16:57.960 --> 01:16:59.680 Oto is they have further offshoots. 1400 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:01.960 There are these werewolf and vampire orders. 1401 01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:04.960 I believe interesting interesting. 1402 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:08.000 One thing I want to I just want to deny 1403 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:11.119 any rumors that I'm associated with any of this. I 1404 01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:13.680 really come from it from a chaos magic perspective. That's 1405 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:17.239 really my interest, Julia, is that I like the lifting 1406 01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:20.039 of frameworks like that. You can take just the magic 1407 01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:23.680 framework and you can sort of apply ideas to it, 1408 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:26.760 but I take it all conceptual. So that's a true 1409 01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:29.840 chaos magic. Maybe you could say true chaos magician. You 1410 01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:32.399 just take it comes completely in your mind. And so 1411 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:36.119 Buddhism makes it's like the next logical step if you're 1412 01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:40.399 able to do that. Whereas some people they require all 1413 01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:44.359 this I Nick will laugh, but I call it like 1414 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:48.640 the ceremonial LARPing, like they you know, they require the 1415 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:51.199 ren fare. I'm not saying that it's I'm not saying 1416 01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:53.159 that you don't burn candles and do all that stuff. 1417 01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:55.840 That can be useful for sure, But I'm just saying 1418 01:17:55.840 --> 01:18:00.600 if you need like a whole ritual like thing, then yeah, 1419 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:03.199 maybe you would be more interested in like Typhoni and ounce. 1420 01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:05.159 I'm just interested in the ideas. 1421 01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.600 The ritualism interests me because I remember one time I 1422 01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:11.800 was talking to Nick and he made me laugh my 1423 01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:15.319 fucking ass off because he said he was doing something 1424 01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:18.520 in his bedroom with swinging some incense or doing something, 1425 01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:20.880 and his wife walked in and was like, what are 1426 01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:28.800 you doing? The Catholic rise. Yeah, literally, it's the Catholicism 1427 01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:31.479 has a lot of that ritualism in it. It just 1428 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:33.159 it interests me about that. 1429 01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:35.840 So one thing I did want to mention about the 1430 01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:41.000 Typhonian order. If you're like into like the Limaic magic 1431 01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:44.399 or even Golden Down or a lot of like I 1432 01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:46.479 would even assume maybe even the temple is set I 1433 01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:49.840 don't you know stuff like that. At least with Alma, 1434 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:55.600 you're going to be practicing like the Hexagram ritual, in 1435 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:58.479 the Pentagram ritual probably for a long time. You know, 1436 01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:00.279 that's gonna be like, you know, something that you were 1437 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:04.199 used to doing constantly. And in the Hexagram ritual you 1438 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:07.720 use the LVX formula, and in there at some point 1439 01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:14.039 you acknowledge purfos in Typhon. And the weird thing is 1440 01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:17.399 that the whole LVX formula is Egyptian. That's why it 1441 01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:19.239 uses a pofos. But then twas is in the Greek 1442 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:23.319 Pophus having Typhon, you know, and that's kind of like 1443 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:25.119 the rising beast in my opinion. You that's where I 1444 01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:27.720 think it's symbolizing you. You even go like that when 1445 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:30.840 you when you acknowledge a purfis in Typhon. So I 1446 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:34.239 have wondered if I do think that when it comes 1447 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:37.039 to the typhony in order, maybe at the beginning it 1448 01:19:37.079 --> 01:19:38.760 was more for people that he thought that might have 1449 01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:44.159 like had experienced maybe like actual magical experiences or the abyss. 1450 01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:47.479 I could be wrong, But another reason why I do 1451 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:49.720 think that might be possible is because when it first 1452 01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:52.319 started I don't know if it's still like this. He 1453 01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:55.800 took the same like pretty much adopted the same oto 1454 01:19:56.039 --> 01:20:00.359 initiations or degrees. But you do not have to set 1455 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:02.439 off at the first if you if you didn't think 1456 01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:06.399 you belonged to So now, if you did have a 1457 01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:08.960 magical experience, and in my opinion, you did cross the abyss, 1458 01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:11.359 you shouldn't be coming in starting a fucking first. You 1459 01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:13.880 should be coming in where you belong. So I'm wondering 1460 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:16.159 if that is just more proof of why. I do 1461 01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:18.680 think that that might be the difference between that order 1462 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:21.039 as well, Like I don't think. I think maybe at 1463 01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:24.760 exception he wasn't so much trying to have people come 1464 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:26.920 there that I don't know what the fuck they're doing. 1465 01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:31.520 That makes sense, Like newbies. 1466 01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:33.560 Yeah, are people who don't actually know what magic. 1467 01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:40.199 Didn't want? 1468 01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:43.319 Doesn't it take a while to really understand what it is, 1469 01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:47.840 because I mean there's so many Actually I have a 1470 01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:51.039 question for youse list and you're the first witch I've 1471 01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:56.079 ever met, so don't judge me. I did being a 1472 01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:59.239 part of this cult? Did it lead you into those interests? 1473 01:20:59.600 --> 01:20:59.680 Like? 1474 01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:02.680 Did it lead you found the thought of like I 1475 01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:06.680 want to do witchery stuff, you know. 1476 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:12.960 Not really. I have a weird like story with how 1477 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.479 that part of my life like kicked off, And it 1478 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.479 sounds like very cringe almost to tell it, but like literally, 1479 01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:22.000 when I was like six and seven years old, I 1480 01:21:22.119 --> 01:21:24.760 was like pretending to be a fortune teller, like in 1481 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:27.399 my like little like hut in the garden, and like 1482 01:21:27.880 --> 01:21:31.000 I was just always extremely drawn to that stuff, reading 1483 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:33.039 a lot of like kids books, but reading books about 1484 01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:35.520 witches and stuff when I was like very little. So 1485 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:37.600 I don't know where that comes from for me. I 1486 01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.319 mean a lot of kids have spooky interests, but for me, 1487 01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:43.399 it really was like lifelong and it just evolved over 1488 01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:48.199 time into researching and learning about more serious stuff and 1489 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.359 beginning when I was wickaned primarily when I was a 1490 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:54.760 teenager because much like Fan pass By having a booms, 1491 01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:57.560 so we're witches because of the craft and stufah, I was. 1492 01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:00.479 Gonna see, I wonder did those two things kind of 1493 01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:03.960 like ran together, Like maybe the interest in the cult 1494 01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:06.119 kind of fueled your other interests. 1495 01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:10.920 It definitely few it definitely like fueled it to some degree. 1496 01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:15.279 It existed beforehand, but it definitely kind of it introduced 1497 01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:16.920 me to a lot of occult topics that I probably 1498 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.119 wouldn't have found otherwise until much later, stuff like to 1499 01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:22.760 Betan Buddhism and the mysticism into Betan Buddhism. I mean, 1500 01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:26.560 I wouldn't probably have encountered that on my own until 1501 01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:28.760 much much later if I hadn't been in the cult. 1502 01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:32.399 So it springboarded me into more serious occultism at like 1503 01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:35.520 a young age. But I think I would always have 1504 01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:38.680 found that to be like a path that I would 1505 01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:41.319 have gone down. It just it took it in a 1506 01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:45.319 in an interesting direction at an earlier age, I think. 1507 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:47.960 And you do it professionally, you said, for like the 1508 01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:49.479 last seven or eight years. 1509 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:54.119 Yeah. So I have done like magic and psychic stuff 1510 01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:56.960 for work since I was about nineteen, but very like 1511 01:22:57.039 --> 01:23:00.680 part time. I sat it as an online psychic as 1512 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:03.319 a part time job when I was about nineteen, from 1513 01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:06.600 a psych called Cassamba, which still exists. I do not 1514 01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:09.159 work for them anymore because they would not pay me enough. 1515 01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:13.359 But I did that, you know, as a side hustle 1516 01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:18.319 all through college, and you know, continued to do such 1517 01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:20.279 things as a side hustle for a long time. And 1518 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:26.079 then in about twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, maybe I was 1519 01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:29.720 very very unhappy in my marketing job, my full time 1520 01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:33.399 marketing job for a retro clothing company, and I kind 1521 01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:36.760 of rage quit to just do it full time. I 1522 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:38.880 worked for a while out in Jackson Square in the 1523 01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:41.319 French Quarter as the one of the little Terror readers 1524 01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:43.840 set up at a lot cool going out there. It 1525 01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:46.920 was cool except people got stabbed a lot, and that 1526 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:47.720 wasn't so cool. 1527 01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:50.159 So yeah, I had no shit, you know. 1528 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.560 I was not a fan of that. So after a 1529 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:56.840 little while out there, I got a job at some 1530 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.319 of the little stores in the French Quarter, just reading 1531 01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:02.239 cards and stuff, and worked for a while at the 1532 01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:04.880 Vampire Boutique in the French Quarter, which is another interesting 1533 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:08.560 kind of like intersection of vampires coming back into the story. 1534 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:11.520 And then I got my own store in the French 1535 01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:13.600 Quarter in twenty twenty, like right at the beginning of 1536 01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:16.760 twenty twenty, I signed this lease on my own storefront, 1537 01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:20.520 which you know, in Tara Reader New Orleans terms, is 1538 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:22.640 like you've hit the big, the big big if you're 1539 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:24.960 getting your own shop, you know. So I was super 1540 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:27.840 stroked about that. I was in business with a friend 1541 01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.920 of mine. We decorated the whole place super excited, and 1542 01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:35.720 then COVID lockdowns happened, I was gonna say yeah, And 1543 01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:38.079 so for me though, actually it was a lifesaver because 1544 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:40.479 I actually hate talking to people face to face. Like 1545 01:24:40.479 --> 01:24:43.039 I'm a very low energy person. As far as like 1546 01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:46.560 being one on one in person with people, I don't. 1547 01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:49.239 I love the Internet. I love talking online and phone 1548 01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:52.279 and all of that, but it drains me very quickly 1549 01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:54.239 having to be like face. 1550 01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:55.000 Time with people face. 1551 01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.680 So I was already kind of almost wishing I hadn't 1552 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:02.600 signed this lease because I was like, oh God, am 1553 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:04.439 I going to do this for sixty hours a week 1554 01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:06.079 for like the rest of my life, just go down 1555 01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:08.279 to the French Quarter and have to find parking and 1556 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:12.439 deal with people? Oh uh? And then yeah, the lockdown's happened. 1557 01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:14.399 I was very lucky. The person I was renting from 1558 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:16.359 said that it was cool, we would just cancel the lease, 1559 01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:19.239 and I pivoted everything online. And so for the past 1560 01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:22.359 five years full time, I've just been I do spell 1561 01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.800 work for people, I do readings, I do truants like 1562 01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:28.199 mediumship sessions and stuff like that. 1563 01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:30.960 What is spell What's spell work? 1564 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:35.199 Pretty much what it sounds like? So you know, if 1565 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:39.640 you're if you're a magical practitioner or an occultist, you know, uh, 1566 01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:41.399 they're going to people are going to call it different 1567 01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:44.399 things depending on what they practice and what their path is. 1568 01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:49.079 More ceremonial magicians are probably going to call it rituals 1569 01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:52.000 rather than spell work, which sounds kind of like shinzy. 1570 01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:53.880 You know, we can do a little spell work with 1571 01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:58.359 our little jars and our little candles. But but yeah, 1572 01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:02.239 it's it's essentially, it's a rich or a spell that 1573 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:06.560 is done with various different materials in order to impact 1574 01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:11.680 or affect a desired outcome. And so if you learn 1575 01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:16.239 witchcraft or magic, or you know, you've become initiated into 1576 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:18.760 any of the initiatory traditions, you're going to learn how 1577 01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:21.960 to do it in a certain way. In my opinion, 1578 01:26:22.039 --> 01:26:25.279 anyone can learn. As Nick was saying earlier, I don't 1579 01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:27.960 think that means everybody on the planet is going to 1580 01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:30.800 experience real magic, because that does take years of study 1581 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:34.800 and sometimes it just takes circumstance and kismet whether or 1582 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:37.039 not you're going to have that experience or not. But 1583 01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:39.600 in theory, you don't have to be special in any 1584 01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:41.680 way to learn how to do magic. Anyone can learn 1585 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:44.319 how to do magic. However, for my clients, a lot 1586 01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:47.079 of them don't want to do that. They would rather 1587 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.680 just pay somebody else to do it, and so I 1588 01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:50.359 do it for them. 1589 01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:51.600 Yeah. 1590 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:54.880 Interesting, that's so interesting. Have you ever had anybody be like, 1591 01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:59.520 I want this person dead or do something bad to 1592 01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:06.960 this Yeah, I'm not serious that. Oh, yeah, it happens. 1593 01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:10.840 What's the curse environment situation here? For example? What's your 1594 01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:12.960 opinion of haunted dolls curses? 1595 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.600 Oh, I think haunted dolls exist, but I have a 1596 01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:20.960 I guess a quirky opinion on haunted dolls I think exists. 1597 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:23.439 I don't know if anyone here has read the work 1598 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:25.920 of Oh my god, what is her name? I'm going 1599 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:28.359 to forget now. She wrote the Exorcists Handbook. Her name 1600 01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:36.279 is Josephine something, but I'm now McCarthy like real stuff. Yeah, 1601 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:39.920 Josephine McCarthy isn' occultist from the UK. She's fascinating lady, 1602 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:44.439 and she really knows her shit. And she worked as 1603 01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:47.119 a as a straight up exorcist, not in the Catholic tradition. 1604 01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:49.720 She's not Catholic, but she worked as like an exorcist 1605 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:52.119 for years and years and years, and she has an 1606 01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:55.920 interesting theory about like haunted objects, haunted dolls. She says 1607 01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:59.000 that in her experience professionally over like thirty plus years 1608 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:02.600 of doing exorcism, anything with a face is something that 1609 01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:04.279 a spirit is going to. 1610 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:06.840 Why does that give me the fucking creeps? 1611 01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:10.000 Oh my god, I was hoping you're gonna say that 1612 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:11.239 they don't exist, That's what I was hoping. 1613 01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:16.159 I'm sorry. No, I think I've never met one personally, 1614 01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:17.279 but I do think they're real. 1615 01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:20.239 Like Annabelle, I've met a doll? 1616 01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:21.439 Really? 1617 01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:22.199 You did? 1618 01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:23.239 Ye? 1619 01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:24.039 Oh? 1620 01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:24.520 Yeah? 1621 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:27.199 Is that that's Chucky West? 1622 01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:30.760 Yeah, down down in the Key West, in Key West. 1623 01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:31.720 I've seen him too. 1624 01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:34.840 Yeah, they're they're dangerous folks down there. You don't put 1625 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:37.000 a hanted doll in a civil war for it, or 1626 01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:39.640 some historian buff such as myself might stumble across it. 1627 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:42.560 No bad photograph. We didn't get cursed for about ten 1628 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:47.279 or twelve years, did you really? Yeah? 1629 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:51.560 Ye can happen. I do, And I think you know, yeah, 1630 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:56.119 depending on your worldview, right, spirits are everywhere. You know, 1631 01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:59.520 They're not They're not special and only hiding and these 1632 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:03.640 like very specific areas fing you up. Spirits are all 1633 01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:05.680 over the place. I last night, so I lived with 1634 01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:09.359 another occultist. My my roommate is for more Mormon now 1635 01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:10.720 an occultist. Lovely guy. 1636 01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:15.159 Oh so transition from one transition. 1637 01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:20.239 To he's amazing. But I was. When I came out 1638 01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:22.319 of my room last night into the kitchen, I was 1639 01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:24.840 just going to get water or something, and he's in 1640 01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:26.600 the kitchen also when he pulls me aside and he 1641 01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:29.760 was like, I just need to tell you that. When 1642 01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:32.399 I was coming in here earlier, I glanced into the 1643 01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:35.560 living room and I thought I saw you sitting in 1644 01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:38.560 a chair with your hand, with your hands over your eyes. 1645 01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:42.079 And then I looked again and realized it wasn't you. 1646 01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:44.960 I just think you should know. And I said, yeah, okay, 1647 01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:49.399 that's good intel to have. I said, how did it feel? 1648 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:52.680 He said wet? I said wet. He was like, it 1649 01:29:53.119 --> 01:29:55.520 felt wet. I didn't like it. I was like, okay, 1650 01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:57.520 that's not great. I said, well, what are you going? 1651 01:29:57.600 --> 01:29:58.640 What are we going to do about this? You know, 1652 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:01.960 we're instantly in occult roommate problem solving mode because neither 1653 01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:03.359 one of us has time for that shit. We're not 1654 01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:07.680 really scared. We're just like, h no. And so he 1655 01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:10.880 goes and gets some of his his his cleansing cologne 1656 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:13.039 and sprints is it over the chair in the living room. 1657 01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:15.239 And I'm trying to think to myself, like, this is spirit. 1658 01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:17.199 I've lived in this house for almost eight years and 1659 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:21.560 I don't really experience any you know, problematic spirit activity 1660 01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:24.399 for the most part, So what could this be? And 1661 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:25.840 then I said, I said to my room and I 1662 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.319 was like, you know, it's interesting you say wet. I said, 1663 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:30.920 when I first moved in here, I did distinctly get 1664 01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:34.279 the impression that somebody had died in the bathtub in 1665 01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:37.640 like the in the bathroom in the hallway. And he 1666 01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:39.800 was like, oh shit, And I said, yeah, I said, 1667 01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:41.760 but I've never had any problem with that spirit. Like 1668 01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:44.199 I just said to her. You know, I'm a little crazy, 1669 01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.159 so if I think there's a spirit around, I'll be like, hi, 1670 01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:49.920 I need to do things. Please don't disrupt my life. Sorry, 1671 01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:52.399 I said, yeah, me and that spirit are cool, Like, 1672 01:30:52.439 --> 01:30:55.520 I don't think it would be causing problems. And then 1673 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:58.319 I remembered that the night before I had taken a 1674 01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:01.199 bath in that bathroom where this woman I think drowned, 1675 01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:03.960 and I had forgotten to drain the bathtub. Like I 1676 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:05.520 had been on the phone with someone and I didn't 1677 01:31:05.560 --> 01:31:06.760 want them to know I was in the bath, So 1678 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:08.239 like I got out of the bath and just like 1679 01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:10.119 kept the stopper in so I didn't have the water 1680 01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:12.880 gurgling sound. And I had left the bath full for 1681 01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:15.439 the entire day. And I was like, Oh, that's it. 1682 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:23.840 The spirit's pissed like this, she cut. 1683 01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:24.560 Out, She cut out. 1684 01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:27.800 Yeah, yeah, she did say that she was having a 1685 01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:30.239 bad weather there so that this might have happened. 1686 01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:35.079 It's the magic, the spirit, it's. 1687 01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:41.199 The water bathtub portal sucked her back in because I'm 1688 01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:46.119 not kidding the spirit's. 1689 01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:50.479 I wanted to ask more questions about Joseph McCarthy another. 1690 01:31:49.239 --> 01:31:55.399 Question, Come yeah, JJ, are you really cursed? 1691 01:31:56.600 --> 01:31:56.880 Yeah? 1692 01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:01.199 And nick I wrote him a letter a couple couple 1693 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:05.079 of months ago. Robert the Doll, that is, wrote him 1694 01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:07.439 a letter. Let me tell you, Julie, I can feel 1695 01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:10.159 I can fill a long, long discussion. In the last 1696 01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:12.159 twelve or so years, have been cursed by that damn 1697 01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:12.880 Robert the Doll. 1698 01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:15.640 They were talking about him on the Rejects last year. 1699 01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:19.279 I'm out I'm out, I'm leaving this place. I'm not 1700 01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:21.159 even going to one near this thing, and you're talking. 1701 01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:23.239 What you do to it? You had to make it mad, 1702 01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:23.840 did you? 1703 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:25.880 I took a photograph with it without asking him. 1704 01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:28.680 Apparently you got to ask him first, And at the time, 1705 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:30.840 I was like, Yeah, that's ridiculous. I'm not I'm going 1706 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:33.880 to ask this a stupid doll. I can take a photograph. 1707 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:41.680 I hear what well, looking now, JJ looking out. 1708 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:41.960 Like this thing might be onto something here. I might 1709 01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:42.840 be cursed. 1710 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:47.119 Before you took the picture, but. 1711 01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:47.880 I'm not gonna lie to you. 1712 01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:50.840 So like every year around it, like December first, about 1713 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:53.199 every year, I'd start considering. After about year five or so, 1714 01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:55.600 I'd start considering, damn it, did that doll curse me? 1715 01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:56.000 You know? 1716 01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:57.600 And then around the year twelve, I was like, I'm 1717 01:32:57.600 --> 01:32:59.680 gonna finally write that doll letter and say I'm sorry. 1718 01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:03.159 I'm sorry. 1719 01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:05.279 Yeah, I hope. 1720 01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:06.920 But imagine how that went. 1721 01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:09.920 I don't think, well, I hope it hasn't gone well 1722 01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:11.640 since then. I'm gonna be honest with you. 1723 01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:14.840 It's uh, you're gonna have to go back there, Yeah, 1724 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:16.199 face to face apology. 1725 01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:19.439 We need to find the current Darrow who can deal 1726 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:21.479 with it for you, like in person. 1727 01:33:21.479 --> 01:33:21.960 That's what's up. 1728 01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:25.039 Then you need to go to like the doll and 1729 01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:27.159 you have to like give him like a seven day. 1730 01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:30.279 Candle or something the homage it. Yeah, I'm still. 1731 01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:31.880 Writ in the Chamber of Commerce to tell them they're 1732 01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:34.560 irresponsible for putting a haunted Kerstell out in public like 1733 01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:35.800 that flagrantly. 1734 01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:40.520 You need an exorcism, you need like you need, like 1735 01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:43.560 the power of Christ compels you like that. 1736 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:47.199 I think we should have Jonathan do it. From the cults. 1737 01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:49.359 Let him know, Lord have mercy. 1738 01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:56.479 Jim though, you need to get tied down, prayed with 1739 01:33:56.680 --> 01:33:59.920 p sue it, do all of it. 1740 01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:02.000 You have to get naked because half the time they 1741 01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:03.920 get naked, they rip their clothes off, you know. 1742 01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:08.520 Oh sure, yeah, piss and ship everywhere or else desertate. 1743 01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:11.600 I'm not sure what this is, but I'm not the 1744 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.039 first person to be cursed by Robert the Doll. The 1745 01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:16.239 whole room that he sits in down there at this 1746 01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:18.640 old Civil War fort where he's they've been into a 1747 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:21.399 museum of Robert for some reason. It sits on a 1748 01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:21.960 mound by the. 1749 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:24.560 Way to curse people. By the way, to curse. 1750 01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:32.199 Exactly, exactly intentionally. There's flagrant irresponsibles. They put him what's that? 1751 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:35.000 They put him on a mound, the. 1752 01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:37.239 Well, the Civil War fort was built on top of 1753 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:39.119 a mound. He's inside the Civil Wars. 1754 01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:40.960 Ah, she's back. 1755 01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:43.920 Oh gosh, your bag. 1756 01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:46.439 God damn it. 1757 01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:48.680 I had at least three more. 1758 01:34:51.079 --> 01:34:53.520 We were talking about ghosts while you were gone to 1759 01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:57.239 but I definitely say it's because you left the water 1760 01:34:57.439 --> 01:35:01.199 in the tub and that's a portal and you might 1761 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:01.960 have you know. 1762 01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:05.920 You know one thing I summoned it? 1763 01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:07.319 Can you hear c. 1764 01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:09.880 Lest I can hear you? Can you hear me? 1765 01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:10.279 Yes? 1766 01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:11.159 Yes, you sound great? 1767 01:35:11.359 --> 01:35:13.119 Okay, sorry about that. 1768 01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:13.760 That was weird. 1769 01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.479 Don't talk shit about gross. I guess this lady was 1770 01:35:16.479 --> 01:35:18.159 pissed at me and she was like, let's shut the 1771 01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:21.800 whole shit down, like stop saying words about me. 1772 01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:27.359 Denied. One thing I did want to ask you about. 1773 01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:30.520 Uh you mentioned josephin McCarthy. Did you know about her 1774 01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:31.600 her magical Order? 1775 01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:35.159 I heard about it. I don't know a ton about it, 1776 01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:36.000 but I did hear about it. 1777 01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:39.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually, uh you know, I do 1778 01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:41.239 you know I've talked about before. I think I've even 1779 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:43.800 mentioned it once or twice. But you know, I have 1780 01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:46.000 talked about tons of times that I was in the 1781 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:49.199 OTO and I had stopped going for a bit before 1782 01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:51.560 COVID happened, and then I started joining in on the 1783 01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:54.439 zoom things. And when I had stopped going for probably 1784 01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:57.640 about like sixty eight months, I was actually using that 1785 01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:00.920 system instead. Oh really, So when you said that was. 1786 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:04.119 Like, oh, did you find it? You found it to 1787 01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:06.000 be a good workable system. 1788 01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:08.439 I think. So it's a little bit more personal. You're 1789 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:12.199 not really from what I as far as I got, 1790 01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:15.560 you're not really working with It's hard to explain like 1791 01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:18.960 Pantheon's like gods. It's actually just very personal stuff. So 1792 01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:22.000 that's interesting. I mean, you are doing ritual work, but 1793 01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:25.560 it's not like I don't remember it wasn't It's it's different. 1794 01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:26.560 It's definitely different. 1795 01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:29.359 Yeah. I like her approach a lot. I think she's 1796 01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:32.760 a fascinating person. And if you know, if I'm sure 1797 01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:34.920 you have, but if if anyone ever listens to her talk, 1798 01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:38.720 you know, on podcasts or whatever, she's just a wonderful 1799 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:41.199 breath of fresh air in the occult world because she's 1800 01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:43.560 a you know, a slight not older woman, but she's 1801 01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:46.960 you know, I think in her fifties, I believe, and 1802 01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:50.399 she's got this like strong Northern England accent. She's just 1803 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:52.359 like very mad. She's very matter of fact. 1804 01:36:52.359 --> 01:36:53.880 She's like shoots from the hip. 1805 01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:56.880 Oh you know, yeah, you know, yeah, well you know. 1806 01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:01.840 One thing she did say kind of actually helped nudge 1807 01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:04.279 me out of the OTO in a sense too. Uh. 1808 01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:06.199 And it's not that like I'm promoting her stuff because 1809 01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:09.479 again I used, you know, very did very little. She 1810 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:11.399 even says to go through the whole course expect I 1811 01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:14.479 think seventeenth to twenty years. So obviously I didn't do much. 1812 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.079 But uh, she the way she had put it, and 1813 01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:20.680 it really dawned on me, like really good when she 1814 01:37:20.720 --> 01:37:22.560 said this. One time, I was listening to a podcast 1815 01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:25.000 that she did, and she did say that when you 1816 01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:26.960 go to these orders, they said, all you're gonna do 1817 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:30.640 is get their their shade of magic. She says, let's 1818 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:34.880 say the outlet is actual magic, and well you're tapping 1819 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:36.760 into that, and then it comes to that light bulb. 1820 01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:39.479 She says once like the OTO is like throwing that 1821 01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:42.319 red shade on top of it. That's the OTO. Then 1822 01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:45.119 like let's say, the gold Ones, the Golden don you 1823 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:47.399 know what I'm saying, You're not actually really tapping into 1824 01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:49.960 the source, You're just learning to tap into their shade 1825 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:53.039 of magic. She says, I think it's much better for 1826 01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:55.399 you to just go to the source. And she said 1827 01:37:55.399 --> 01:37:57.479 that's what she thought. It still goes for. 1828 01:37:58.199 --> 01:37:59.439 That's really profound out. 1829 01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:01.359 Yeah, when I heard that, I was like, that's interesting, 1830 01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:03.079 I said, because I could see what you know, how 1831 01:38:03.119 --> 01:38:06.680 you because there's there is a specific idea with the 1832 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:09.439 O T or other orders. They have their own pantheons 1833 01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:12.359 and their own like ideas are almost religious text. 1834 01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:12.960 Right. 1835 01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:18.319 Does this lady do distant exorcisms? Because I think JJ 1836 01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:20.119 needs one. 1837 01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:25.000 I think she's retired now. Unfortunately, I think I wrote. 1838 01:38:24.840 --> 01:38:29.520 About you, Celeste. Do you do any distant exorcisms? 1839 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:32.560 Most of the magic I do for clients is distance. 1840 01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:38.119 So yeah, you know. 1841 01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:40.640 Robert some Robert the Dall Exorcist. You know, you know 1842 01:38:40.760 --> 01:38:42.039 some some players can help me out. 1843 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:43.920 I feel like we could. I feel like we could 1844 01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:46.720 figure something out. Robert the still bothering you all these 1845 01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:47.279 years later. 1846 01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:50.680 You wouldn't believe, You wouldn't believe the tales if I told. 1847 01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:57.000 You he would he's being totally serious, Nick, Nick heard 1848 01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:58.880 of a portion of what I've gone through over the 1849 01:38:58.960 --> 01:39:00.399 last twelve I. 1850 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:01.960 Was even gonna say, just in the time that I've 1851 01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:04.479 known him, I could probably say he's probably. 1852 01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:08.800 Your curse. 1853 01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:10.039 He needs to. 1854 01:39:12.039 --> 01:39:13.800 Yeah, I got to hook him up with that Saint 1855 01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:15.119 Cyprian stuff. 1856 01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:19.479 So yeah, there you go. On the case, we'll do it. 1857 01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:22.319 So I have a question for a celest I mean, 1858 01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:25.000 obviously I don't I don't deal in any of this stuff, 1859 01:39:25.039 --> 01:39:29.159 but in your opinion, you know, magic is real, magic works, 1860 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:32.479 but not everybody knows what they're doing. 1861 01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:35.159 Oh yeah, yep, that's okay. 1862 01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:40.600 Well, yeah, certain magic like we've talked about before, solomonic 1863 01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:42.960 magic and stuff you got. You can't be messing around 1864 01:39:43.319 --> 01:39:46.359 like you will, yeah, talk about. 1865 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.520 Because because it's very because it is very real, and 1866 01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:54.560 I think, like obviously everybody's going to have their own 1867 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:57.520 take on that and their own experiences. And like I said, 1868 01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:00.479 my my own partner is extremely suppor sort of what 1869 01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:02.640 I do and interested and wants to hear about it. 1870 01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:05.760 But like he has such a I don't want to 1871 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:07.680 call it a black and white worldview because that's not fair, 1872 01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:11.479 but it is such a pragmatic worldview that what interests 1873 01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:13.720 him is data. He's like a big data science guy, 1874 01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:16.399 and that's mysticism to him is like data and facts 1875 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:20.039 and numbers. Stuff that flies over my head right, like, 1876 01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:23.760 I don't understand name that. Yeah, that he's magic. 1877 01:40:24.520 --> 01:40:27.800 Johnny says that numbers are God's language. 1878 01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:30.920 So exactly exactly, so you know, my partner and we 1879 01:40:31.279 --> 01:40:34.000 meet in the middle because he is, whether he wants 1880 01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:35.920 to admit it or not, a very mystical person. He's 1881 01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:38.359 just coming at it from this different angle. But all 1882 01:40:38.399 --> 01:40:44.199 of this to say the question of like, is magic real? 1883 01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:47.600 I mean, it's very real to me. And I've seen 1884 01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:52.199 things happen because of magic and as a result of 1885 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:55.920 magic that I really can't explain otherwise. And I think, 1886 01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:59.319 but I think that some people who engage in the 1887 01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:02.159 occult or dabble I hate to use that word because 1888 01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:04.199 it feels a bit dismissive, but like dabble in witchcraft 1889 01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:06.600 or debt. You know people who see rituals on the 1890 01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:08.800 Internet and they're like, oh, you know, I'll summon this 1891 01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:11.439 solomonic demon that sounds like a fun time. It's not 1892 01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:14.880 a fun time. I do it. 1893 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:17.720 It doesn't sound like a fun time to me. I mean, 1894 01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:19.800 were you are scared getting into this? 1895 01:41:20.119 --> 01:41:22.000 Yeah, I've been scared so much. 1896 01:41:22.119 --> 01:41:24.680 Oh my god, Oh thank you for being honest. By 1897 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:25.239 the way. 1898 01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:28.920 Yeah, no, I think it's important to talk about. I 1899 01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:31.720 will say when I first got, you know, involved with 1900 01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:35.079 magic and witchcraft, I wasn't scared at all. But then 1901 01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:38.680 early twenty twenty, after I had been doing this already 1902 01:41:38.680 --> 01:41:42.159 for like a long time, I had my ass handed 1903 01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:45.600 to me in a way that was terrifying to the 1904 01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:48.640 point where like, after I came through that experience, I 1905 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.920 was like this close to throwing out all my shit, 1906 01:41:52.760 --> 01:41:55.479 getting rid of all my books and being like that's 1907 01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:57.920 it for me, because that got a little too real. 1908 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:02.239 I think that you're smarter now because I will say this, 1909 01:42:02.439 --> 01:42:05.119 I'm a nurse as well, like a registered nurse, and 1910 01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:07.640 the most scary thing we ever see as a nurse 1911 01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:10.439 that thinks she knows everything right, and like you're you're 1912 01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:13.800 a better nurse if you don't really know everything and 1913 01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:15.079 you're willing to ask for help. 1914 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:19.239 So yeah, absolutely, you were like you were like having 1915 01:42:19.279 --> 01:42:25.760 scary like like demons or ghosts or I had. 1916 01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:30.479 An experience with a spirit and I had been you know, 1917 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:31.960 I don't know, I don't know if it's close to 1918 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.119 what JJ has has been through. But I was having 1919 01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:39.039 some experiences that there was just a little bit too 1920 01:42:39.159 --> 01:42:42.479 many bad things clustering in a short space of time. 1921 01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:45.640 And you know, I'm again very much a skeptic. I'm like, Okay, 1922 01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:47.920 bad things happen, you know, sometimes you're just gonna have 1923 01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:49.840 bad day. Your car is going to break down, a 1924 01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:51.520 family member is going to get hurt, like it just 1925 01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:56.039 happens's life. But if too many of those things cluster 1926 01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:59.239 in a small space of time, for me with my worldview, 1927 01:42:59.239 --> 01:43:03.640 I'm like, hmm, okay. And so I had done what 1928 01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:05.960 I usually do in those situations, which was I had, 1929 01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:08.199 you know, done a ritual to just kind of cleanse 1930 01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:10.279 myself in my space and get rid of any ick 1931 01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:13.520 that was floating around. And when I did that, the 1932 01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:16.600 candle I was burning went completely black. It was you know, 1933 01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:20.680 a glass jar candle, and in candle magic candle divination, 1934 01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:22.800 if you're burning something and it goes all the way 1935 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:26.000 down black soot, that is not a good sign. And 1936 01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:28.920 halfway through it burning down, the candle exploded and then 1937 01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:32.600 nearly burned down the room that I was burning it in. 1938 01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:37.239 So at that point I was like, something's up. That's 1939 01:43:37.279 --> 01:43:39.880 not good, And I talked to a couple of friends 1940 01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:42.600 of mine and some mentors about what could be going on, 1941 01:43:43.680 --> 01:43:50.279 and yeah, let's go rounds with Robert. Will live stream it? 1942 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:58.239 Please please live stream it. Oh, I want to be 1943 01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:00.760 a part of it. I will sit out too. 1944 01:44:01.359 --> 01:44:04.079 I probably I don't want to go anywhere near that. 1945 01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:08.520 Damn, a ghost just turned off my entire ass computer 1946 01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:10.640 set up. I probably shouldn't be so ballsy like, yeah, 1947 01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:14.359 let's go, let's take down Robert. But anyway, what happened 1948 01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:17.439 was at that point I asked friends for their thoughts. 1949 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:19.560 This is something that I will say if anyone is 1950 01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:23.520 a practitioner or they want to be a practitioner, get 1951 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:27.239 yourself a tight group of occultist friends that you trust, 1952 01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:30.359 who you can turn to if you're having an experience, 1953 01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:33.680 whether it's a dream or weird stuff happening in your life, 1954 01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:36.800 or you think you're seeing a spirit. It's so important 1955 01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:39.600 to be discerning because sometimes it's just you and you're tired, 1956 01:44:39.680 --> 01:44:41.920 and you're paranoid and your head's all fucked up. So 1957 01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:44.600 get people you trust that you can talk to who 1958 01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:47.680 can check for you and just be a little bit 1959 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:50.399 of a grounding influence. But very sadly in this instance, 1960 01:44:50.439 --> 01:44:52.840 my friend was kind of looking into it for me 1961 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:55.640 and he said, oh no, there's definitely summons up. There's 1962 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:57.840 something around you or in your house or you know, 1963 01:44:57.880 --> 01:45:02.039 you got to get rid of it. So he gave 1964 01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:05.880 me his recommendation of what kind of ritual I should 1965 01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:08.079 do to really deal with this thing. And basically it 1966 01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:11.800 was a it's called a spirit trap ritual. We kind 1967 01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:14.560 of my friend's a conjure man, so it was kind 1968 01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:19.560 of in this folk conjure pop gaetia part other. We 1969 01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:21.119 weren't so many any demons to do it, but it 1970 01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:24.159 was sort of a solomonic folk magic ritual to get 1971 01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:25.039 deal with the spirit. 1972 01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:28.119 To say, well, is in solomonic magic you are trying 1973 01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:29.960 to trap a demon into a specific. 1974 01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:32.760 Yeah, you're trying to bind bind the spirit. And so 1975 01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:35.399 we used this right or I use this right to 1976 01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:37.359 do it. He told me all the steps to do. 1977 01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:41.520 I got everything ready and the ritual involved. You know, 1978 01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:45.159 it used planetary hours. If anyone watching or I'm sure 1979 01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.119 somebody y'all on the call have done it. But if 1980 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:50.720 you're using like planetary magic, it's very specific timing wise. 1981 01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:52.279 You've got to be up at a certain time down 1982 01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:55.960 to the minute to call on certain energies and certain spirits. 1983 01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:59.319 So anyway, I prep everything, I get it all organized. 1984 01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:02.119 This was quite a few years ago. I told my 1985 01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:04.479 boyfriend at the time, like, don't worry about me tomorrow. 1986 01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:06.239 Just ignore me. I'm going to be doing some stuff. 1987 01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:10.000 Just live your life. If I'm chanting in a room, 1988 01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:14.680 don't worry about it. And the morning that I was 1989 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:16.079 due to do this, I think I had to start 1990 01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:20.199 at five am. I woke up in the worst pain 1991 01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:24.960 of my life and I had like eleven out of 1992 01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:28.119 ten GI pain. I was like, not I'm going to 1993 01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:30.520 be an elegant. I was shitting my brains out. 1994 01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:38.119 I was showing like stoic knew it, and I I 1995 01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:42.880 was oscillating between like the bathtub and the toilet and 1996 01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:44.720 then trying to get like because I had to do 1997 01:46:44.760 --> 01:46:46.640 shit on the hour every hour for this ritual. 1998 01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:49.000 And I remember messaging with my friend and being like, 1999 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:53.199 I think I'm dying, Like I am in so much pain, 2000 01:46:55.359 --> 01:46:59.159 can I can't stop shitting? Like what I had finish 2001 01:46:59.239 --> 01:47:02.600 this ritual and he was like, well, yeah, the spirit 2002 01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:04.199 doesn't want to go and it's pissed at you. And 2003 01:47:04.239 --> 01:47:07.039 I was like, fantastic, Well I might have to go 2004 01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:08.960 to a hospital, Like what do you recommend I do here? 2005 01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:10.319 And he was like, you just got to get it done. 2006 01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:13.319 You just got you cannot stop doing it now. My 2007 01:47:13.439 --> 01:47:16.319 partner was like, witness My then partner was witnessing this 2008 01:47:16.359 --> 01:47:19.800 all and being like you look like shit. Like I 2009 01:47:19.840 --> 01:47:23.159 was running a fever, I couldn't walk. My partner at 2010 01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:25.439 the time was like, you have to go to a hospital, 2011 01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:29.399 and I was like, no, I have to finish chanting 2012 01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:30.039 to Saturn. 2013 01:47:31.239 --> 01:47:33.600 You say, you know, if I don't finish this, we're 2014 01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:35.960 gonna have locknest monster in the bathtub. 2015 01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:37.119 Listen, We're gonna have. 2016 01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:39.359 Worse problems than me shitting my pants if you don't 2017 01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:40.560 go back to bed and shut. 2018 01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:43.319 Up and shooting your pants is definitely a fucking problem. 2019 01:47:43.439 --> 01:47:46.680 It's a problem. I'm in there, yeah, crying out the 2020 01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:49.920 ass like that. It's not it's not no. 2021 01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:54.079 Serious, I know it happens. 2022 01:47:55.159 --> 01:47:58.439 I do not recommend the colonoscopy by spirit. It's like not. 2023 01:47:58.439 --> 01:48:05.520 As Yeah, it's like air. 2024 01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:09.880 But I'm done, right, So I finished colonoscopy. 2025 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:15.560 Go to colonoscopy will be the title of autobiography. My god. 2026 01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:18.079 So but I did it. I finished it. It got done. 2027 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:20.600 I think it took. It was about a twelve hour process, 2028 01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:22.520 like on the hour, every hour. I somehow managed to 2029 01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:27.239 like force myself through it. And at the end of 2030 01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:31.399 that process, like literally the moment I finished that last 2031 01:48:31.439 --> 01:48:33.359 chant and I sealed this jar and it was all 2032 01:48:33.399 --> 01:48:39.359 done fine physically fine wow, And I put it out 2033 01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:40.600 in the garden, which was you know. I was like, 2034 01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:42.439 what do I do with this fucking jar at this point? 2035 01:48:42.479 --> 01:48:44.600 And my friend was like, okay, well, you're gonna want 2036 01:48:44.600 --> 01:48:46.560 to put it obviously away from your house. And I said, 2037 01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:47.800 but how am I going to know if it worked? 2038 01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:49.880 I mean, should have been obvious at the point in 2039 01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:52.239 time that I was no longer extremely unwell that it 2040 01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:53.399 had worked. But I was like, how do I know? 2041 01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:54.640 How do I know what's in here? I don't know? 2042 01:48:56.680 --> 01:48:58.359 And my friend said, You're just You're just gonna know. 2043 01:48:58.439 --> 01:48:59.920 You're just gonna know. So you hear this a lot 2044 01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:02.640 from other people in the occult when you're first like 2045 01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:04.920 really learning serious magic. Oh, you're just going to know. 2046 01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:06.920 It's such an annoying thing to hear. It's like, what 2047 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:09.960 do you mean, I'm just gonna know, fuck you. Anyway. 2048 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:12.960 I put it in my front yard, where at the 2049 01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:15.880 time I had this gigantic catnet bush that was just 2050 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:18.520 growing all over the yard. I mean, catnip is a mint, 2051 01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:21.119 it takes over everything, grows like a weed, and this 2052 01:49:21.159 --> 01:49:24.760 plant was very robust, and three days later the entire 2053 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:27.880 plant had died. The whole thing was dead, and I 2054 01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:32.439 was like, well, wow, that worked, I guess, but it 2055 01:49:32.479 --> 01:49:35.359 was terrifying. It was a terrifying experience, and not because 2056 01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:39.920 anything spooky supernatural was happening, like things weren't appearing to 2057 01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:44.079 me or like being spooky, but the toll that it 2058 01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:46.720 had taken on my physical body, which you know, if 2059 01:49:46.720 --> 01:49:48.520 you're a science minded person you can say, well, that's 2060 01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:50.920 probably just totally totally coincidence, like bitch, you write too 2061 01:49:50.960 --> 01:49:54.199 much taco bell, like that's what's going on there, right, 2062 01:49:54.439 --> 01:50:00.920 like not like uh, And it was horrifying, horrifying, and 2063 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:05.600 I very nearly because apparently this spirit had no way 2064 01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:08.399 ill intent, It wasn't trying to fuck me up. Apparently 2065 01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:11.680 this was literally just a spirit that was ambiently around 2066 01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:14.079 and that had noticed me and was like, oh, there's 2067 01:50:14.119 --> 01:50:18.199 a witch. I'll just say hi, you know, and I'll 2068 01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:20.720 just say hi in a way that starts ruining her life, 2069 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:22.239 because that's a good way to get attention. 2070 01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:25.880 Oh and the energy, I mean, even if they don't 2071 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.399 mean to, they're going to suck some suck some blood, 2072 01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:30.079 right if we want to go vampiric. 2073 01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:33.199 Yep. And that's why that was my very hard one 2074 01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:36.039 lesson of here's how we have good spiritual boundaries and 2075 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:40.680 good spiritual cleanliness. But yeah, I very nearly threw in 2076 01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:41.880 the towel at that point. 2077 01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:45.840 So you live in New Orleans obviously, Okay, Yeah, I 2078 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:48.000 mean I feel like I've been there a few times. 2079 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:50.279 I just feel like it's a haunted place to live. 2080 01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:54.920 Oh yeah, to be honest with you, I mean you're 2081 01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:57.680 saying like something could have happened in that place before 2082 01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:00.279 you moved in, or something like that. I'll a lot 2083 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:03.119 of the places, like even driving by them, I would 2084 01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:06.159 be like, gosh, this just gives me the he begbis 2085 01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:10.159 like it's a haunted kind of creepy dark place. 2086 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:13.439 There's there's a lot of energy here. I think I 2087 01:51:13.479 --> 01:51:15.199 mean the place that I live in. I'm not down 2088 01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:18.079 like in the French Quarter or anything, because your girl 2089 01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:20.680 does not make that kind of psychic money. I'm not 2090 01:51:21.199 --> 01:51:23.279 angry yet, so I'm not you know, like I'm not 2091 01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:26.199 raking it in. But you know, I live in a 2092 01:51:26.239 --> 01:51:30.199 house on the outskirts of Orleans Paris, so I'm still 2093 01:51:30.199 --> 01:51:32.760 technically in New Orleans, but it's more the suburbs. My 2094 01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:36.319 house was built in like nineteen sixty three, I think 2095 01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:39.840 nineteen nineteen fifty nineteen fifty three, so it's not like 2096 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:43.600 old old history, haunty. But yeah, New Orleans is just 2097 01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:47.079 a place with a lot of energy, spirits and also 2098 01:51:47.319 --> 01:51:48.279 just like I. 2099 01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:51.560 Mean Hurricane to Trina stuff about to say the like, 2100 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:55.119 I mean, yeah, even if you don't live right in 2101 01:51:55.119 --> 01:51:57.880 the quarter, I just I feel like with all that 2102 01:51:58.079 --> 01:52:04.000 energy that even came through with that is kind of wild. 2103 01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:07.000 But patty and angry. It's funny you mentioned her. I 2104 01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:08.800 don't know if anybody else knows who that is, but 2105 01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:12.920 that's the one they always get on ghost adventures. Do 2106 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.800 you know who I'm talking about? It's this, It's the 2107 01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:18.920 one lady they're always consulting. 2108 01:52:18.680 --> 01:52:19.920 On ghost adventures. 2109 01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:22.560 When they call in a psychic, that's that's who she's 2110 01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:24.359 talking about. 2111 01:52:25.439 --> 01:52:27.760 And I don't know that she's extremely wealthy. I just 2112 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:28.720 assume that she is. 2113 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:33.800 She is too, Yeah, they're always calling her in, and 2114 01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:36.920 I almost don't feel like she's very good on the episodes. 2115 01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:39.680 It's like she walks in there and she just says 2116 01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:42.479 some real vague generalities, and it's like, why didn't you 2117 01:52:42.680 --> 01:52:45.239 freaking hire me to do that? I go in there 2118 01:52:45.239 --> 01:52:46.479 and tell you more than she get. 2119 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:46.960 Not. 2120 01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:47.680 I'm not sure. 2121 01:52:50.840 --> 01:52:54.680 No, I mean, I think celebrity celebrity psychics and celebrity 2122 01:52:55.800 --> 01:52:59.199 occultists are their whole own thing, you know. And I mean, God, 2123 01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:01.000 I don't want my have to get me into trouble 2124 01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:05.960 this evening, so let's not it's not. But yeah, I 2125 01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.880 mean that's the other thing I think. Any it's not 2126 01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:12.279 that they aren't legit people who become public figures and 2127 01:53:12.680 --> 01:53:15.720 do things. But I think the nature of media also 2128 01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:19.640 is that the legit stuff doesn't really sell. 2129 01:53:20.119 --> 01:53:24.520 Like I know, you know, Yeah, there's magicians that have 2130 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:27.920 rabbits and hats, and then there's magicians yeah and they 2131 01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:30.960 both yeah. 2132 01:53:30.199 --> 01:53:36.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody said something about glittering generalities. One 2133 01:53:36.159 --> 01:53:39.600 of my favorite logical fallacies. Well, it's like they get 2134 01:53:39.640 --> 01:53:43.359 in there and she's like, oh my next burning you know, 2135 01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:45.359 she'll like scratch it real quick. Oh look at this 2136 01:53:45.439 --> 01:53:50.279 scratch on my neck. Come on, Pattie, did you have 2137 01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:50.680 a mother? 2138 01:53:51.399 --> 01:53:54.319 Did you have a mother? I think you had a mother. 2139 01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:58.800 Right, somebody in your family was a smoker. 2140 01:53:59.039 --> 01:54:03.960 It's like, yeah, okay, yeah, all of a masshole, narrow 2141 01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:13.000 it down something like that. Yes, I feel like someone 2142 01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:22.800 you know, mother, father, grandmother, maybe Caucasianian. How would you guess? 2143 01:54:26.199 --> 01:54:28.800 I'm not obviously celest I'm not making fun of me. 2144 01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:30.640 No, No, I don't feel that way at all. I 2145 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:34.640 just similar similar feelings. 2146 01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:37.640 Yes, I have a friend. Actually, her name's Whitney. You 2147 01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:42.159 guys may know her, Whitney Fox. Uh, she's the she's 2148 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:47.319 the real deal. She's a really cool lady. And uh yeah, 2149 01:54:47.359 --> 01:54:49.319 I just I feel like people who actually have a 2150 01:54:49.439 --> 01:54:54.279 talent for it, they're not they're not on ghost adventures, they're. 2151 01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:55.720 Not you know, So. 2152 01:54:58.119 --> 01:55:01.319 No, I agree. I mean, I think it's also possible 2153 01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:04.960 that some of these people who become like big media figures, 2154 01:55:06.319 --> 01:55:08.920 not to single out Patty, but folks in that in 2155 01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:11.520 that Wheelhouse. I think sometimes, you know, maybe there is 2156 01:55:11.600 --> 01:55:14.680 a legitimate skill and a talent and a gift there, 2157 01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:18.159 but once you have to do it once a week 2158 01:55:18.239 --> 01:55:20.720 on television with with fucking I don't even know who 2159 01:55:20.840 --> 01:55:22.920 who is on Ghost Adventures at zach Bag and whoever. 2160 01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:25.399 It is like you know, some like backwards baseball cap 2161 01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:27.600 looking ass go toe guy being. 2162 01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:29.439 Like the Ghost House. 2163 01:55:29.600 --> 01:55:31.119 You know, did you hear that? 2164 01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:32.279 Did you hear that? 2165 01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:36.800 Yeah? It must It probably creates a need to just 2166 01:55:37.039 --> 01:55:40.199 like play the role and not worry about really like 2167 01:55:40.359 --> 01:55:41.840 tapping in on a deeper level. 2168 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:46.079 Well, I'll say one there's one show that is like 2169 01:55:46.199 --> 01:55:49.039 that that I will say to this day. I'm a 2170 01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:50.920 huge fan and I love it so much, and I'll 2171 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:56.680 follow this girl on Instagram? Is that the Dead Files girl? 2172 01:55:58.079 --> 01:56:00.840 You know I mentioned her before? She said you got 2173 01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:04.920 to bring Amy Allen instead you did mention her? 2174 01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:08.600 Dude, she got she gets me every time. 2175 01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:12.560 Faire dude worth it in my opinion. 2176 01:56:13.359 --> 01:56:15.880 Oh yeah, no, that's one. And I feel like they're 2177 01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:18.720 the guy that she works with on The Dead Files. Nick, 2178 01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:20.600 weren't you going to talk to him or something? 2179 01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:24.239 Or was trying past? Yeah, I was trying to because 2180 01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:26.520 he was he was retired, I think, a detective of 2181 01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:28.239 New York. But I never never got a response. 2182 01:56:28.479 --> 01:56:31.319 Well he I can only imagine you two talking to 2183 01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:36.600 each other with your big New York accents. But yeah, no, 2184 01:56:36.800 --> 01:56:39.800 she's she fascinates me, but you so do youse, Celeste. 2185 01:56:39.800 --> 01:56:41.279 I'm not gonna lie. I kind of would like to 2186 01:56:41.479 --> 01:56:44.159 have you on my show and ask you all kinds 2187 01:56:44.199 --> 01:56:46.239 of which craft three questions. 2188 01:56:46.319 --> 01:56:48.880 Oh yeah, I'm down. I'm down. I haven't done a 2189 01:56:49.079 --> 01:56:51.199 podcast in forever. And then I feel like in this 2190 01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:53.560 last week, everybody's like, do you want to. 2191 01:56:53.600 --> 01:56:54.600 Be on a podcast? 2192 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:58.479 I'm like, yeah, it's funny. Is another podcaster that I'm 2193 01:56:58.520 --> 01:57:01.000 friends with literally him up and they're like, you have 2194 01:57:01.079 --> 01:57:02.520 been trying to get her on for a while. 2195 01:57:03.840 --> 01:57:07.720 Oh I think I know because I kind of went 2196 01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:10.920 like self mode for the past, like gear and I 2197 01:57:11.039 --> 01:57:13.319 really wasn't I wasn't even really updating my Instagram. It 2198 01:57:13.439 --> 01:57:17.279 was just like mostly strictly business stuff, not putting out 2199 01:57:17.279 --> 01:57:19.159 a bunch of other content. I was really burned out 2200 01:57:19.239 --> 01:57:23.079 from just the content mill and the constant demands of 2201 01:57:23.119 --> 01:57:26.239 the Internet. And then I went and decided to make 2202 01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:28.960 a stupid TikTok and here we are now. 2203 01:57:30.359 --> 01:57:32.199 TikTok every time. 2204 01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:36.680 That's well the good timing. Jen has a question, Yeah, 2205 01:57:36.720 --> 01:57:37.279 go for it, Jen. 2206 01:57:38.279 --> 01:57:40.399 Okay, So thank you very much, Hidi and Nick. 2207 01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:43.319 So I have one comment, one question, and obviously I 2208 01:57:43.399 --> 01:57:45.880 said I would deticase Heidi in the chat, so I 2209 01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:49.920 will do that. So celest you were talking about how 2210 01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:54.239 your partner is very analytical, so of course Nick knows 2211 01:57:54.279 --> 01:57:56.720 I love Kabala. So I'll just bring up a little 2212 01:57:56.800 --> 01:57:59.039 this is kind of a boy magic what you're talking about. 2213 01:57:59.079 --> 01:58:02.359 It's very hard, it's very you know, it's very hermetic, 2214 01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:05.600 like you're very like in the clear blue lightning, you 2215 01:58:05.680 --> 01:58:06.119 could say. 2216 01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:10.199 So that's that is like you're saying, he is kind 2217 01:58:10.239 --> 01:58:11.079 of a mystic. 2218 01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:12.239 Yeah he is. 2219 01:58:12.399 --> 01:58:15.000 He's tuned into the numbers. But it's just boy magic 2220 01:58:15.079 --> 01:58:16.920 because that's how he looks at it. 2221 01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:17.640 Hard data. 2222 01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:22.000 Women are more they they are less dense. I've said 2223 01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:23.920 this many times on a show, but they have a 2224 01:58:24.079 --> 01:58:27.600 they're less dense than men. So they you guys need 2225 01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:30.600 a little more finesse, a little more care. That's why 2226 01:58:30.640 --> 01:58:34.239 the rituals, that's why the all the spiritual technologies. Men 2227 01:58:34.520 --> 01:58:36.479 just kind of like need the know how and then 2228 01:58:36.560 --> 01:58:39.600 we can kind of get there. Women kind of have 2229 01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:42.159 to prepare themselves, but they can get there too. It's 2230 01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:44.600 just it's all obviously, I think of it as all 2231 01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:47.199 like just consciousness, so you can get there if you want. 2232 01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:48.920 It's just how you prepare yourself. 2233 01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:51.000 But I thought that was really interesting because I think 2234 01:58:51.039 --> 01:58:52.840 you're tapped into like he is a mystic. 2235 01:58:53.239 --> 01:58:54.560 And I know a lot of people like this. 2236 01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:57.840 They would not consider themselves occultists or mystics, but they 2237 01:58:58.159 --> 01:59:01.560 have like a very keen analytic call i and analytical knowledge. 2238 01:59:01.680 --> 01:59:02.760 Lisa is very much like this. 2239 01:59:02.840 --> 01:59:05.039 I'm not saying she's like a dude at all, but 2240 01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:08.520 she just it's a very if you have like a 2241 01:59:08.760 --> 01:59:12.000 science that kind of brain, I think you're you are 2242 01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:15.399 able to do it if you are open minded. And 2243 01:59:15.479 --> 01:59:20.560 then my question was did Vampire the Masquerade the White 2244 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:24.439 Wolf game? Was that like really old fashioned by the 2245 01:59:24.560 --> 01:59:28.319 time you were kind of in the scene or what 2246 01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:30.520 did did you see it play kind of a role 2247 01:59:30.960 --> 01:59:34.399 in how people, you know, like the. 2248 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:37.199 Vampire balls and all of that, like, yeah, familiar with 2249 01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:37.880 that a little bit? 2250 01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:42.479 Yeah, No, I think I mean, I think you know 2251 01:59:42.600 --> 01:59:46.880 White Wolf games, whether it's tabletop or LARPing are gonna 2252 01:59:47.520 --> 01:59:50.279 that's a that's eternally popular, you know. I mean, I'm 2253 01:59:50.319 --> 01:59:53.119 in a I'm in a VTM game right now. We 2254 01:59:53.199 --> 01:59:56.279 haven't met for ages. We meet on zoom. But I 2255 01:59:56.399 --> 02:00:00.800 am a big fan of White Wolf. I love role playing, 2256 02:00:00.880 --> 02:00:05.680 mostly tabletop. I'm not big on warping. Surprisingly, I don't 2257 02:00:05.800 --> 02:00:07.800 like people in real life, you know, to keep me 2258 02:00:07.840 --> 02:00:11.800 away from them. But yeah, no, I think that the 2259 02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:16.920 White Wolf universe definitely did seep into elements of the 2260 02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:18.800 group that I was in. The biggest thing that I 2261 02:00:18.840 --> 02:00:20.880 can think of. I'm glad you asked this question, actually, 2262 02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:23.479 But the biggest way that I think it impacted some 2263 02:00:23.600 --> 02:00:27.000 of the terminology from White Wolf games was creeping in 2264 02:00:28.039 --> 02:00:31.560 to the way that the Vampire moderators interacted with us. 2265 02:00:32.359 --> 02:00:35.159 And the biggest way that that happened was the idea 2266 02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:39.239 of gules. If anyone's played like VTM or a White 2267 02:00:39.279 --> 02:00:44.359 Wolf game, the goule is a physically human, well a 2268 02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:47.640 mostly physically human character that is the servant or the 2269 02:00:48.039 --> 02:00:51.399 you know, thrall of a vampire character. So in the 2270 02:00:52.600 --> 02:00:56.239 role playing game Vampire, the musquerade, your vampire character can 2271 02:00:56.920 --> 02:00:59.600 give a human being a certain amount of blood, and 2272 02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:02.880 that character becomes kind of like your little mortal slave 2273 02:01:03.079 --> 02:01:04.760 and you can go send them to do errands for 2274 02:01:04.840 --> 02:01:07.479 you and do stuff during the day, pick up your 2275 02:01:08.079 --> 02:01:11.600 dampile laundry, whatever does you need them to do. In 2276 02:01:12.119 --> 02:01:15.239 the cult that I was in, that idea started to 2277 02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:20.680 really permeate. So the truly unhinged Kuku Banana is. Stuff 2278 02:01:20.680 --> 02:01:22.600 that went on toward the end is that a bunch 2279 02:01:22.640 --> 02:01:24.760 of us were told that we actually had vampire blood. 2280 02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:27.600 We didn't remember getting the vampire blood because it was 2281 02:01:27.680 --> 02:01:31.399 all happening while we were sleeping. But you know, the 2282 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.720 the vampires who ran this cult were supposedly coming to 2283 02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:37.520 some of us in the night and giving us their blood, 2284 02:01:37.560 --> 02:01:40.760 and we were becoming ghouls. So in the world of 2285 02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:44.560 the cult, I was a ghoul and had vampire blood 2286 02:01:44.880 --> 02:01:47.000 and was told that that's why I was so sick. 2287 02:01:47.079 --> 02:01:49.640 It turns out that I have a chronic illness, that's 2288 02:01:49.640 --> 02:01:52.760 why I'm so sick, but I was told it was 2289 02:01:52.840 --> 02:01:53.840 vampire blood. So there you go. 2290 02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:56.239 Well that's really interesting. 2291 02:01:56.319 --> 02:01:58.680 So us because Nicholas to Beer, I'm not sure if 2292 02:01:58.680 --> 02:02:02.039 you're familiar with him, Yeah, and like the I think 2293 02:02:02.159 --> 02:02:05.039 his thing is the Temple of Blood in the Order 2294 02:02:05.079 --> 02:02:08.199 of the Dragon, and like everyone knows he's like really 2295 02:02:08.279 --> 02:02:10.920 sick though, and like that whole group is quite weird 2296 02:02:11.119 --> 02:02:15.199 and very extreme. But they they talk about like these 2297 02:02:15.399 --> 02:02:18.920 very ideas that you're talking about, Like they think they are. 2298 02:02:19.039 --> 02:02:22.239 Actually like immortal vampires, and they do feed people their 2299 02:02:22.319 --> 02:02:23.439 blood unwittingly. 2300 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:26.640 So I just think that that's very fascinating that they're 2301 02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:32.199 borrowing this kind of very extreme you know, luciferian ish. 2302 02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:37.319 I'm not sure on their whole ideology, but yeah, very interesting. 2303 02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:39.079 Blood. 2304 02:02:42.600 --> 02:02:44.239 Yeah, they give people their. 2305 02:02:44.159 --> 02:02:49.119 Own blood unwittingly in food and drinks, and they say 2306 02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:52.399 it's to improve because they think they're like pure bloodline. 2307 02:02:52.479 --> 02:02:55.479 Like that's Nicholas Severer's like whole thing. He thinks he's 2308 02:02:55.600 --> 02:02:59.319 like the Gray Arian. I don't know, he thinks he's 2309 02:02:59.359 --> 02:03:02.520 like good, Like he just thinks he's like pure descendant 2310 02:03:02.680 --> 02:03:03.039 or whatever. 2311 02:03:03.600 --> 02:03:05.800 And so it's interesting because I've seen that in the 2312 02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:08.680 plot line of a film recently called The Golden Child. 2313 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:13.239 Were you like Eddie Murphy. 2314 02:03:16.680 --> 02:03:17.079 Review that. 2315 02:03:19.680 --> 02:03:22.399 Was like the Oatmeal or whatever that was love that show. 2316 02:03:22.640 --> 02:03:25.119 It's in the oat meal. It's in the oatmeal. Hey, 2317 02:03:25.399 --> 02:03:27.359 but I was going to see it reminds me of 2318 02:03:27.760 --> 02:03:29.960 of mid Midnight Mass as well. 2319 02:03:32.640 --> 02:03:35.279 That was from the Great Brotherhood of the North. 2320 02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:39.800 This is all very ancient uh magic, so all of that, 2321 02:03:40.119 --> 02:03:43.079 all of these things, yeah, but all that one. 2322 02:03:44.159 --> 02:03:45.560 You co join us, Julia, for sure. 2323 02:03:46.159 --> 02:03:48.600 Send me the link. I love The Golden Child. I 2324 02:03:48.720 --> 02:03:50.439 made Colby watch it the other day. 2325 02:03:51.760 --> 02:03:53.199 Just watched it too. That's that's good. 2326 02:03:53.640 --> 02:03:56.079 Yeah, I recently just watched it. I think the funniest 2327 02:03:56.119 --> 02:03:59.119 part is when they go to like the uh to 2328 02:03:59.319 --> 02:04:02.000 talk to the dry Lady and he's like, this is 2329 02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:05.199 good to keep the yang up, and he's like, nothing wrong. 2330 02:04:05.000 --> 02:04:05.680 With my yang. 2331 02:04:09.640 --> 02:04:14.119 Anyways. Anyways, I did I did want to say I 2332 02:04:14.239 --> 02:04:17.880 played Magic the Gathering when I was a youngster and 2333 02:04:18.640 --> 02:04:20.760 the Great Game. Do you like that one? 2334 02:04:21.039 --> 02:04:23.680 I'm not good at it because I can't math, but people, 2335 02:04:24.640 --> 02:04:24.880 you know. 2336 02:04:26.119 --> 02:04:28.680 I was going to say, though, you know, I started 2337 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:31.000 playing it when I was around like sixteen or seventeen 2338 02:04:31.079 --> 02:04:32.319 or something like that, and I used to go to 2339 02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:35.920 like the conventions or whatever and play against other the 2340 02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:38.560 tournaments and stuff. If somebody would have started a Magic 2341 02:04:38.680 --> 02:04:41.920 the Gathering cult when I was at eight, I would 2342 02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:43.680 have joined it. I mean, I think that's. 2343 02:04:48.640 --> 02:04:50.159 Like I want to join a cult. 2344 02:04:52.239 --> 02:04:53.680 I would do it just. 2345 02:04:53.760 --> 02:04:56.960 Because, okay, because I was young and impressionable. And also 2346 02:04:57.000 --> 02:04:59.800 I'm working on a cult series right now. It's called 2347 02:05:00.079 --> 02:05:01.920 to the CULTI Verse, and I want to join a 2348 02:05:02.000 --> 02:05:04.640 cult just to see what it's all about. And then 2349 02:05:04.640 --> 02:05:06.479 I'm going to report back the facts. 2350 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:08.920 And I don't recommend that they don't like you when 2351 02:05:08.920 --> 02:05:09.279 you do that. 2352 02:05:09.880 --> 02:05:11.439 It's pretty much like what I like that. 2353 02:05:12.239 --> 02:05:15.199 Nobody will have me anyways, JJ. Unless you start a colt, 2354 02:05:15.319 --> 02:05:16.199 maybe you'll have me. 2355 02:05:17.119 --> 02:05:18.199 You'll get a roper money. 2356 02:05:18.199 --> 02:05:19.000 The Mormons will take you. 2357 02:05:20.760 --> 02:05:21.560 I don't want to pay. 2358 02:05:21.960 --> 02:05:23.439 You got to go down to Brazil and go to 2359 02:05:23.520 --> 02:05:26.000 the what's that one that we keep talking about, JJ, 2360 02:05:26.119 --> 02:05:27.199 that we got to cover one day? 2361 02:05:28.880 --> 02:05:32.479 Yeah, and the eye is Saturday. 2362 02:05:32.680 --> 02:05:36.079 That is some wild one. Yeah, yeah, some ship like that. 2363 02:05:36.199 --> 02:05:36.399 Joey. 2364 02:05:36.479 --> 02:05:38.680 You can sign a billion year contract with Scientology if 2365 02:05:38.680 --> 02:05:40.560 you want to join a cult. It's only a billion years. 2366 02:05:43.000 --> 02:05:44.960 I think that's going to only a billionaires. 2367 02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:47.520 I mean, it's going to be a no for me, dog. 2368 02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:50.720 But the thing is, I would like to join like 2369 02:05:50.840 --> 02:05:54.000 a cult temporarily, like a friend of your cold than 2370 02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:56.600 that like just to go to a couple of crock 2371 02:05:56.720 --> 02:05:59.880 pot lunches and then just you know, take some notes 2372 02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:04.520 down and just you know investigated investiguis a little bit, 2373 02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:08.399 and then just be out. But anyways, I think if 2374 02:06:08.479 --> 02:06:11.359 you have enough passion behind something, and you're involved with 2375 02:06:11.479 --> 02:06:14.720 something enough, it would be easy to become involved in 2376 02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:18.479 like a club or a group where what eventually ends 2377 02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:21.880 up becoming a cult. Because I mean I was stealing 2378 02:06:22.039 --> 02:06:24.920 Magic the Gathering cards from Walmart and just like stuffing 2379 02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:27.359 my bra with them and shoving them down my pants. 2380 02:06:27.359 --> 02:06:28.680 I was obsessed with it. 2381 02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:32.479 I was, indeed, man, that is magic. 2382 02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:37.600 Magic the Gathering is definitely there's definitely kala stick. Oh 2383 02:06:37.960 --> 02:06:41.560 I think pel. 2384 02:06:40.319 --> 02:06:47.680 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree, Jin. I think it 2385 02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:49.960 gets a hold of your mind for sure, because I 2386 02:06:50.159 --> 02:06:54.199 became completely obsessed with it. I had the video game, 2387 02:06:54.479 --> 02:06:57.439 I met people in real life and played it. I 2388 02:06:57.520 --> 02:07:00.239 mean I did, I did all of it. I mean, 2389 02:07:00.560 --> 02:07:02.920 but the thing I grew out of it. But I 2390 02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:05.640 feel like some of this stuff, like they set up 2391 02:07:05.680 --> 02:07:08.359 these forums and stuff because a lot of people don't grow. 2392 02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:08.680 Out of this. 2393 02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:12.680 They they don't capture asking questions. 2394 02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:15.159 Yeah, yeah, it's to capture your attention. 2395 02:07:15.439 --> 02:07:19.159 Like for me, I was like, I'm more like identified 2396 02:07:19.199 --> 02:07:21.119 with some of what Celestia was saying, because like I 2397 02:07:22.000 --> 02:07:24.359 I'm Goth a little bit like not full. 2398 02:07:24.439 --> 02:07:28.279 But yeah, I was always adjacent to that subculture or whatever. 2399 02:07:28.720 --> 02:07:29.479 I like magic. 2400 02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:32.000 I was never into vampires, but I do like magic, 2401 02:07:32.199 --> 02:07:34.600 So I was always interested in i't call things. So 2402 02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:37.600 it's always to draw your attention, like who, like, what 2403 02:07:37.720 --> 02:07:40.479 consciousness are you going to capture with what story? 2404 02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:43.359 So I've read all the Anne Reichs books. I didn't 2405 02:07:43.359 --> 02:07:45.000 mind them, but it wasn't it's not going to be 2406 02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:48.039 something that I'm It wasn't the capture the thing that 2407 02:07:48.199 --> 02:07:51.880 captured me. So you were captured by magic the gathering. 2408 02:07:52.159 --> 02:07:55.720 Heidi was obviously born a Mormon. JJ obviously became a Mormon. 2409 02:07:55.840 --> 02:07:57.239 Nick was captured by the Oto. 2410 02:07:57.319 --> 02:07:59.960 I'm not saying in a negative way, just we all 2411 02:08:00.920 --> 02:08:04.640 everyone here kind of proves that the real American religion 2412 02:08:04.760 --> 02:08:08.880 is actually a little weird, a little magicalal and like 2413 02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:14.000 a lot of like what you think, individualistic in a way. 2414 02:08:15.159 --> 02:08:19.039 Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's very well said. Yeah, 2415 02:08:19.479 --> 02:08:20.159 very well said. 2416 02:08:21.000 --> 02:08:26.960 Definitely, Yeah, a lot of aliens. 2417 02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:34.159 That is interesting that does show up on It's. 2418 02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:34.039 Aliens all the way down at the end of the day. 2419 02:08:36.199 --> 02:08:37.399 It's aliens and women. 2420 02:08:37.720 --> 02:08:40.479 It's ultra terrestrial women all the way down there. 2421 02:08:41.239 --> 02:08:46.319 Yeah. Uh go probably about another like ten minutes, if 2422 02:08:46.319 --> 02:08:48.680 anybody else has any more questions. I know I meant 2423 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:50.600 typed in the chat. I wanted to wrap it up, 2424 02:08:50.760 --> 02:08:51.279 like not yet. 2425 02:08:52.920 --> 02:08:53.960 I know everyone went quiet. 2426 02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:58.119 I know, yeah, because they're probably like, I'm long winded. 2427 02:08:58.199 --> 02:09:00.880 I didn't want to get started on something I couldn't stop. 2428 02:09:03.319 --> 02:09:07.079 Go ahead, Jenny, you got another question, Yeah, i'llsole us. 2429 02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:10.600 The question is what are some of your most Obviously 2430 02:09:10.680 --> 02:09:12.439 you don't want to I understand if you don't want 2431 02:09:12.479 --> 02:09:15.479 to get into personal details of like your clients, But 2432 02:09:15.600 --> 02:09:17.760 what are some of the more interesting cases that you 2433 02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:21.600 would be willing to like share that you've done magically 2434 02:09:21.800 --> 02:09:22.439 or for people. 2435 02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:23.159 Yeah? 2436 02:09:23.720 --> 02:09:28.720 Yeah, so I think, like you know, my clients, I 2437 02:09:28.760 --> 02:09:30.560 get a lot of repeat clients, which I think is 2438 02:09:30.640 --> 02:09:33.279 not always common in this industry. But I do have 2439 02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:35.560 a really wonderful client base of people who kind of 2440 02:09:35.720 --> 02:09:38.000 keep coming back either and not you know, not like 2441 02:09:38.079 --> 02:09:39.880 keep coming back like every week they're blowing me up, 2442 02:09:39.920 --> 02:09:43.439 but you know, keep coming back for inside or readings. 2443 02:09:43.560 --> 02:09:46.800 Readings was a big bread and butter of my work 2444 02:09:46.880 --> 02:09:49.000 for a long long time, and that's really all I did, 2445 02:09:49.520 --> 02:09:53.560 and I've only branched out into doing sort of bespoke 2446 02:09:53.720 --> 02:09:57.520 spell work bespoke ritual for people over the past three issuars. 2447 02:09:58.640 --> 02:10:01.039 I didn't think that it was going to be as 2448 02:10:01.119 --> 02:10:03.399 popular as it has been, but it turns out that 2449 02:10:03.479 --> 02:10:06.239 a lot of people have a lot of magic that 2450 02:10:06.319 --> 02:10:08.279 they want to do that they either don't know how 2451 02:10:08.319 --> 02:10:10.279 to do or they're too lazy to do themselves. So 2452 02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:13.439 that is that is not my job as far as 2453 02:10:13.479 --> 02:10:16.279 the most interesting. I get a lot of the kind 2454 02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:18.279 of standard stuff that you would imagine a lot of 2455 02:10:18.479 --> 02:10:21.560 like my ex left and I want him back. I 2456 02:10:21.640 --> 02:10:24.359 get a lot of you know, I want a promotion 2457 02:10:24.479 --> 02:10:26.119 at my job or I need a new job and 2458 02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:29.720 I don't know how to do that. But then I 2459 02:10:29.840 --> 02:10:34.359 do get some sort of more unhinged requests. I guess 2460 02:10:35.800 --> 02:10:39.399 I met a couple of people who needed it. Yeah, well, 2461 02:10:40.000 --> 02:10:42.600 not that many homicidal people, and I have a system 2462 02:10:42.680 --> 02:10:45.159 for dealing with that. But I do have people who 2463 02:10:46.359 --> 02:10:49.840 want to, you know, either protect themselves from somebody or 2464 02:10:49.920 --> 02:10:56.079 they need to exact some form of vengeance, shall we say. 2465 02:10:56.159 --> 02:10:59.079 And one such case, which I will talk about without 2466 02:10:59.159 --> 02:11:02.479 naming names, but I had a client and a friend 2467 02:11:02.520 --> 02:11:06.199 a couple of years ago who had been slighted by 2468 02:11:06.239 --> 02:11:09.439 an individual and was upset about it. And so her 2469 02:11:09.479 --> 02:11:11.600 whole thing was, you know, she was very upset, very distraught, 2470 02:11:11.640 --> 02:11:14.359 and she said, I want this person to be punished. 2471 02:11:14.520 --> 02:11:17.239 And I said, okay, well what kind of punishment are 2472 02:11:17.279 --> 02:11:19.520 we talking about here, Like, let's have a conversation. And 2473 02:11:19.560 --> 02:11:22.319 I always make sure that I do a divination first, 2474 02:11:22.479 --> 02:11:25.319 because sometimes it's just not a good idea to go 2475 02:11:25.439 --> 02:11:29.159 getting yourself involved in a situation like that. But she 2476 02:11:30.439 --> 02:11:33.359 wanted him. He was he was a I kind of 2477 02:11:33.560 --> 02:11:35.439 if he was like a YouTuber or like a twitch 2478 02:11:35.479 --> 02:11:37.479 streamer or something like that. But he was like a 2479 02:11:37.600 --> 02:11:40.560 mildly famous in his like little niche kind of guy. 2480 02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:44.520 And she said, I really want him to lose this 2481 02:11:44.760 --> 02:11:48.439 celebrity boxing match that he's about to be a part of. 2482 02:11:48.640 --> 02:11:51.600 There was some sort of YouTube live streamed pay per 2483 02:11:51.760 --> 02:11:55.279 view influencer boxing match going on, and she really wanted 2484 02:11:55.279 --> 02:11:57.439 this guy to lose. And I thought, you know, well 2485 02:11:57.479 --> 02:11:59.680 that's fairly innocent. I don't give it in about this 2486 02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:01.399 guy seems like piece of shit, Like, yeah, all right, 2487 02:12:01.479 --> 02:12:03.880 let's do some magic for him to lose this boxing match. 2488 02:12:04.359 --> 02:12:06.079 But then she kind of caveat it, and she said, 2489 02:12:06.119 --> 02:12:07.399 but I also want him to get a little bit 2490 02:12:07.560 --> 02:12:10.920 injured in the process. I was like, okay, so do 2491 02:12:11.039 --> 02:12:14.000 the ritual and I'll be honest with you, like my 2492 02:12:14.079 --> 02:12:16.600 stuff usually does work. Sometimes it takes a little longer 2493 02:12:16.680 --> 02:12:18.920 to work than I think it's going to, like timelines 2494 02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:21.600 with magical weird. But I have a pretty good track 2495 02:12:21.680 --> 02:12:23.439 record of my stuff working. 2496 02:12:24.680 --> 02:12:33.760 But right right in the middle of the story, are 2497 02:12:33.800 --> 02:12:34.359 we back. 2498 02:12:34.560 --> 02:12:38.800 Yes, yes, okay, yeah, oh man, all right, either he 2499 02:12:38.920 --> 02:12:40.439 was going to win this boxing match or he was not. 2500 02:12:40.560 --> 02:12:41.920 You know, it was gonna it was gonna work, or 2501 02:12:41.960 --> 02:12:45.000 it wasn't. And she was going to be watching live 2502 02:12:45.319 --> 02:12:47.119 my client, and it was like, oh fuck if I 2503 02:12:47.319 --> 02:12:49.359 if I screw the pooch on this one, it's going 2504 02:12:49.399 --> 02:12:53.199 to be real bad for business. So anyway, I hear 2505 02:12:53.239 --> 02:12:56.600 about it later and she was like, well he lost 2506 02:12:56.840 --> 02:12:59.680 the match. I was like, oh, dope, that's awesome. Few 2507 02:13:00.439 --> 02:13:04.119 she was like yeah, and his bicep exploded like the muscle. 2508 02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:08.359 The muscle in his bicep. I guess, like I don't know, 2509 02:13:08.960 --> 02:13:11.560 a tendon snapped or something, but he had like some 2510 02:13:12.359 --> 02:13:17.199 crazy gnarly bicep injury. And so yeah, that that worked 2511 02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:18.399 very successfully. 2512 02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:25.600 That's wild frozen again. 2513 02:13:28.880 --> 02:13:30.159 I had a question to. 2514 02:13:31.680 --> 02:13:35.560 Go, shoot, oh good, you froze again. 2515 02:13:35.720 --> 02:13:37.840 So I wasn't sure if you're there, you don't out, 2516 02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:40.279 I don't know what's going on. I guess the spirit's like, 2517 02:13:40.359 --> 02:13:42.560 that's enough of you, bitch, but go ahead, go ahead 2518 02:13:42.560 --> 02:13:43.399 if you have a question. 2519 02:13:44.479 --> 02:13:46.239 Well, I was just gonna see, do you ever get 2520 02:13:46.359 --> 02:13:52.600 scared if like doing ritualism like this, Like, does does 2521 02:13:53.079 --> 02:13:56.039 anything negative come back on you or the person who 2522 02:13:56.199 --> 02:13:56.840 requested it? 2523 02:13:59.439 --> 02:14:03.359 In my experience, neither U. And I think that's because 2524 02:14:03.439 --> 02:14:08.079 like so, I'm not wicked, and only some schools of 2525 02:14:08.119 --> 02:14:11.520 occultism really even believe in this idea of like, you know, 2526 02:14:12.119 --> 02:14:15.560 rebound impact from a spell. You know, in the wick 2527 02:14:15.640 --> 02:14:17.760 in religion, it's like, Okay, anything you're going to put 2528 02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:20.239 out there, you get back on you three times, And 2529 02:14:20.359 --> 02:14:23.159 that's just not a tenet that everybody believes in. I 2530 02:14:23.319 --> 02:14:27.439 do believe in energy moving around, and I while I 2531 02:14:27.520 --> 02:14:30.880 don't really think that there's this sort of score sheet 2532 02:14:31.119 --> 02:14:33.640 out there with some like Supreme being being like, well, 2533 02:14:33.720 --> 02:14:35.840 you did the bad things, so now you're going to 2534 02:14:35.880 --> 02:14:37.720 get the bad thing. I don't think it's quite I mean, 2535 02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:40.199 if it were like that, a lot of really bad 2536 02:14:40.199 --> 02:14:42.199 people would be having really bad lives and they don't, 2537 02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:44.920 so you know, proofs in the pudding there a lot. 2538 02:14:44.960 --> 02:14:47.439 I have to agree with you on that because I've 2539 02:14:47.520 --> 02:14:52.439 said several times, you know, when you watch a movie, 2540 02:14:53.079 --> 02:14:55.199 you always expect for the good guy to win in 2541 02:14:55.239 --> 02:14:58.000 the end against evil, but in real life it's not 2542 02:14:58.239 --> 02:15:00.880 like that. It's usually the bad guy wins in the end, 2543 02:15:01.159 --> 02:15:06.079 and that's reality. And so if I hate to say this, 2544 02:15:06.279 --> 02:15:08.359 but it's like if if it was like if you 2545 02:15:08.439 --> 02:15:10.640 do something bad, something bad's going to happen to you, 2546 02:15:10.880 --> 02:15:14.560 then I mean all the satanic pedophiles that run our 2547 02:15:14.640 --> 02:15:18.359 country would not be freaking billionaires live in you know, 2548 02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:21.479 lavish lifestyles. So it's like the bad guy wins in 2549 02:15:21.560 --> 02:15:23.800 the end. Sometimes I hate to say that, but that's 2550 02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:24.640 what it seems like. 2551 02:15:25.159 --> 02:15:26.960 Well, and it's also like if you guys is in 2552 02:15:27.079 --> 02:15:29.000 the show The Good Place where they try and like 2553 02:15:29.119 --> 02:15:32.279 figure out what the moral like tally sheet would even 2554 02:15:32.359 --> 02:15:35.319 look like and how you would calculate that, Like I think, 2555 02:15:36.319 --> 02:15:38.000 I do believe that there is some kind of like 2556 02:15:38.359 --> 02:15:40.439 I mean, I believe in God. I think that God 2557 02:15:40.600 --> 02:15:45.439 is real, But I don't think that human morality and 2558 02:15:45.560 --> 02:15:47.840 human action can be reduced to this sort of like 2559 02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:51.000 easy checks and balances. Yes, no bad, good kind of thing. 2560 02:15:52.520 --> 02:15:55.159 I do always do my own sort of soul searching 2561 02:15:55.239 --> 02:15:58.399 and divination before I take a client on, before I decide, 2562 02:15:58.479 --> 02:16:00.319 like am I going to do this work? But I 2563 02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:03.560 to be honest, I I will get energetically drained. I'll 2564 02:16:03.600 --> 02:16:05.760 say that if I And that's regardless of the kind 2565 02:16:05.800 --> 02:16:07.439 of work that I'm doing, whether it's like kind of 2566 02:16:07.600 --> 02:16:10.479 texting and cursing, whether it's much more benevolent, like if 2567 02:16:10.520 --> 02:16:12.720 I have a full three days of spell work, it 2568 02:16:12.760 --> 02:16:14.159 will drain the funk out of me and I'll have 2569 02:16:14.199 --> 02:16:18.439 to go to bed and sleep. But it doesn't I mean, 2570 02:16:18.520 --> 02:16:20.640 touch Wood, you freaked me out. Now, It's so far 2571 02:16:20.720 --> 02:16:22.439 it hasn't like come and bit me in the ass. 2572 02:16:23.720 --> 02:16:27.760 Yet I feel like the spirits are very present on 2573 02:16:27.840 --> 02:16:29.760 this conversation and doing all sorts of things with the 2574 02:16:29.800 --> 02:16:32.559 internet connections, so like, don't bite me in the ass, 2575 02:16:32.760 --> 02:16:37.159 you know. But yeah, I know Robert's going to come. 2576 02:16:41.680 --> 02:16:44.959 And now it's all remind me never to meet up 2577 02:16:45.000 --> 02:16:46.120 with you and go bowling. 2578 02:16:46.280 --> 02:16:49.360 I just don't want that energy in my life. 2579 02:16:51.680 --> 02:16:54.159 Before worn. Don't don't ever take a picture of Robert 2580 02:16:54.200 --> 02:16:55.159 the doll. He will curse you. 2581 02:16:57.159 --> 02:16:59.399 I'm not going to do it. I'm never going to 2582 02:16:59.520 --> 02:16:59.680 do it. 2583 02:17:00.360 --> 02:17:02.280 I saw him, but I don't think. I don't think 2584 02:17:02.319 --> 02:17:03.879 I took a picture. I think I was like, I'm 2585 02:17:03.879 --> 02:17:05.200 gonna heed that morning. 2586 02:17:05.399 --> 02:17:06.399 Far more wiser than I. 2587 02:17:10.120 --> 02:17:12.360 I bet your I bet if you posted that picture, 2588 02:17:12.440 --> 02:17:14.360 only got like ten likes on it too, and now 2589 02:17:14.399 --> 02:17:15.319 you're cursed forever. 2590 02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:17.760 I know. 2591 02:17:18.360 --> 02:17:20.639 I don't really have any social media outside of my podcast. 2592 02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:22.959 And this was probably twelve years ago. I'm not even 2593 02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:24.920 sure what happened to the photo it was. 2594 02:17:25.000 --> 02:17:27.959 You didn't even get a single like on it? JJ wow. 2595 02:17:29.319 --> 02:17:29.799 And for what. 2596 02:17:31.280 --> 02:17:32.840 Memory card? You know what I mean, Like, I'm not 2597 02:17:32.959 --> 02:17:35.040 certainly ever left the actual memory card of the camera. 2598 02:17:38.799 --> 02:17:41.440 That'siously Robert did all takes his privacy. 2599 02:17:41.520 --> 02:17:45.079 He's like, you don't have to print it, apparently you 2600 02:17:45.159 --> 02:17:47.159 just have to have it on, you know, on a 2601 02:17:47.239 --> 02:17:49.760 memory card. Apparently riding away in the back of a 2602 02:17:49.799 --> 02:17:50.479 closet somewhere. 2603 02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:53.920 I'm sure, Hey, quick question something I heard that might 2604 02:17:54.000 --> 02:17:56.959 be total bullshit. If you cut your hair on a 2605 02:17:57.040 --> 02:17:59.719 full moon or something like, what are you You're only 2606 02:18:00.159 --> 02:18:02.040 to cut your hair on certain days. I have a 2607 02:18:02.120 --> 02:18:05.479 hair pointment coming up. This is per information. 2608 02:18:05.280 --> 02:18:08.399 Weaning Julia waning always on a waning. 2609 02:18:09.280 --> 02:18:10.040 Is one coming up? 2610 02:18:10.040 --> 02:18:11.719 Because I have a hair appointment. 2611 02:18:14.239 --> 02:18:17.040 Right now. I think it's I think it is wedding currently. 2612 02:18:17.280 --> 02:18:20.040 Actually, oh, thank god, I need a good haircut. 2613 02:18:20.719 --> 02:18:20.920 Yeah. 2614 02:18:21.000 --> 02:18:23.879 There you go saying it's been years since I've gotten 2615 02:18:23.920 --> 02:18:26.000 a good haircut, and I feel like it's always because 2616 02:18:26.000 --> 02:18:28.200 I get it cut at the wrong time. Somebody told 2617 02:18:28.239 --> 02:18:29.799 me this last time. I said, every time I go, 2618 02:18:29.879 --> 02:18:32.239 I get a shitty fucking haircut, and they said it's 2619 02:18:32.319 --> 02:18:34.399 because you're only supposed to cut your hair on the 2620 02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:38.840 waning moon. I didn't couldn't remember which one it was, 2621 02:18:38.959 --> 02:18:41.879 but I just you know, if there's anything to that, 2622 02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:43.479 I think I want to do it next time. 2623 02:18:43.920 --> 02:18:45.920 Yeah, that's that's old astrology. 2624 02:18:47.879 --> 02:18:49.079 Definitely, let us know how that goes. 2625 02:18:51.680 --> 02:18:55.479 You never on you never cut your hair on a 2626 02:18:55.600 --> 02:18:59.239 dark moon, and usually what you do is you collect 2627 02:18:59.280 --> 02:19:00.799 the hair and then you burn. If you want to 2628 02:19:00.799 --> 02:19:03.680 be really old school, you collect the hair off like 2629 02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:05.520 after they sweep it up. You don't want them take 2630 02:19:05.600 --> 02:19:06.840 it any burning yourself. 2631 02:19:08.440 --> 02:19:12.680 See what happened with Nick cut his hair on a 2632 02:19:12.799 --> 02:19:15.280 dark moon and never grow back. 2633 02:19:15.440 --> 02:19:22.399 So for the barbha and yeah, that's what's. 2634 02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:27.920 Well on this dark Yeah, this is so great. Thanks 2635 02:19:27.959 --> 02:19:28.479 for letting me. 2636 02:19:32.959 --> 02:19:33.479 Questions. 2637 02:19:33.799 --> 02:19:39.680 Yes, oh yeah, before we wrap it up, I'll let 2638 02:19:39.719 --> 02:19:43.040 everybody plug themselves again, Heidi, let everybody know what is 2639 02:19:43.120 --> 02:19:43.959 up with your show. Please. 2640 02:19:45.319 --> 02:19:47.760 I am Heidi love of the Unfiltered Ice. I'm everywhere 2641 02:19:47.799 --> 02:19:50.639 podcast are served. I do have my own website, Unfiltered 2642 02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:52.760 Ice podcast dot com. Come check me out. 2643 02:19:53.000 --> 02:19:56.040 I'd love to see you and thank you everyone for 2644 02:19:56.159 --> 02:19:57.559 the chat. Thank you celest. 2645 02:19:58.959 --> 02:19:59.879 And JJ Vance. 2646 02:20:02.680 --> 02:20:06.159 JJ Vance sus of Operation GCD not not the vice 2647 02:20:06.200 --> 02:20:07.840 president when it comes back on the screen. 2648 02:20:08.799 --> 02:20:10.760 So that's great to meet you. It's a great conversation. 2649 02:20:11.360 --> 02:20:13.760 I will have to get to next your contact information 2650 02:20:13.840 --> 02:20:16.719 from Nick to talk Robert, the doll Curse and whatnot. 2651 02:20:16.799 --> 02:20:21.479 But thoroughly enjoyed the conversation and Jen, Heidi, Julie always great. 2652 02:20:21.559 --> 02:20:24.680 Nick appreciate the invite as always awesome. 2653 02:20:25.079 --> 02:20:27.760 Thank you very much, sir, and then we'll go with 2654 02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:30.639 Cosmic Peach Julia. What is up. 2655 02:20:31.520 --> 02:20:37.000 Yeah, I'm everywhere and nowhere. I'm a ghost of podcasting. 2656 02:20:38.040 --> 02:20:39.920 But if you want to work with me, the way 2657 02:20:40.000 --> 02:20:42.479 you can do that is go to my Instagram page 2658 02:20:42.520 --> 02:20:45.440 Cosmic dot Peach dot podcast. I have my link tree there. 2659 02:20:45.559 --> 02:20:48.440 Send me an email if you want to be on 2660 02:20:48.600 --> 02:20:52.040 my show or have me on your show. That that's 2661 02:20:52.079 --> 02:20:55.079 the best way to contact me. Thanks again, Nick for 2662 02:20:55.159 --> 02:20:59.600 having me on Celestial Lovely. I enjoyed our conversation and 2663 02:20:59.639 --> 02:21:00.399 I learned a lot. 2664 02:21:00.719 --> 02:21:04.879 Thanks awesome, that's great. That's great. And Jin the Ninja 2665 02:21:05.399 --> 02:21:07.440 please make sure you play yourselves since you were in 2666 02:21:07.520 --> 02:21:08.159 here at the beginning. 2667 02:21:09.239 --> 02:21:11.680 Thank you so much. Nick, thank you, Heidi, thank you, JJ, 2668 02:21:12.000 --> 02:21:14.479 Thank you Julia and Celesti. You are a great guest. 2669 02:21:14.559 --> 02:21:18.799 I just will say thank you and awesome, great show 2670 02:21:19.959 --> 02:21:23.120 as we've all done lately, because I've obviously podcasted with 2671 02:21:23.200 --> 02:21:25.799 all of you frequently in the last few months. 2672 02:21:25.840 --> 02:21:26.440 So thank you. 2673 02:21:27.000 --> 02:21:29.040 And I just did an episode with Heidi, and tomorrow 2674 02:21:29.399 --> 02:21:32.280 I'm on with JJ and Nick and Julia and we're. 2675 02:21:32.120 --> 02:21:37.799 Doing Wednesday Wednesday Wednesday. Yes, I remember Wednesday and I 2676 02:21:37.840 --> 02:21:40.840 won't be late. So I just dropped. 2677 02:21:42.239 --> 02:21:44.360 I'll be early, I'll be early. And I just dropped 2678 02:21:44.399 --> 02:21:47.959 a three part series on my show on Ralph Bakshi. 2679 02:21:48.159 --> 02:21:53.000 So we did Fire and Ice, American Pop and Wizards. 2680 02:21:53.520 --> 02:21:56.000 So I did the Kabala, So I went, really, if 2681 02:21:56.040 --> 02:22:00.440 you're into schizo Kabbala, looking at the colors, archetypes, talking 2682 02:22:00.479 --> 02:22:03.520 about like maybe a little Telema, a little you know, 2683 02:22:03.760 --> 02:22:06.559 like obviously I got into Kenneth Grant because it's impossible 2684 02:22:06.639 --> 02:22:09.200 to discuss those films without it. 2685 02:22:10.440 --> 02:22:12.799 Yeah, so that just dropped on my feed. I have 2686 02:22:13.000 --> 02:22:14.040 lots of episodes coming out. 2687 02:22:14.040 --> 02:22:16.680 I just dropped the episode I did with JJ on 2688 02:22:16.799 --> 02:22:19.840 Big Trouble in Little China, which is my personally. I 2689 02:22:19.920 --> 02:22:22.280 think it was a great episode. So yeah, that just 2690 02:22:22.319 --> 02:22:23.719 dropped on my feed. So you can check me out. 2691 02:22:23.719 --> 02:22:28.239 Threshold Saints Twitter at wu Kanri born in ig At. 2692 02:22:28.799 --> 02:22:31.399 Threshold Saints and I were the Gray Lodge, so one 2693 02:22:31.440 --> 02:22:34.159 of my spaces. We actually have a YouTube channel. Now 2694 02:22:34.600 --> 02:22:36.440 I'm not running it. I have nothing to do with it, 2695 02:22:36.559 --> 02:22:39.719 but one of the boys started us a YouTube channel 2696 02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:42.360 so we can put our lives. We do these for 2697 02:22:42.479 --> 02:22:46.079 the Friday Night gnastic mass. So we have been doing 2698 02:22:46.159 --> 02:22:49.600 speculative narcissism. So yeah, so if you're interested check it out. 2699 02:22:50.399 --> 02:22:52.319 Thanks guys, thank you. 2700 02:22:52.959 --> 02:22:55.600 And finally Celeste, Yes, thank you very much. 2701 02:22:55.680 --> 02:22:57.200 Yeah let me get let me get this out quick. 2702 02:22:57.280 --> 02:23:01.120 My camera keeps freezing the internets over it. So yeah, 2703 02:23:01.239 --> 02:23:03.760 you can find me. I have a website Celeste Mott 2704 02:23:03.959 --> 02:23:06.079 m ott dot com. That's how you can book with 2705 02:23:06.200 --> 02:23:09.280 me if you want to partake in my services. But 2706 02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:12.399 I'm also on Instagram at Celeste Mott and TikTok at 2707 02:23:12.520 --> 02:23:17.959 Celeste Moth with an h. Yeah, thank you so much. 2708 02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:19.680 By the way, I've like got away from myself there. 2709 02:23:19.680 --> 02:23:21.319 Thanks for letting me be on. This was a blast. 2710 02:23:21.360 --> 02:23:24.399 I had a really good time same listen. 2711 02:23:24.479 --> 02:23:27.399 Yeah, no, I have had a blast too. Uh, thank 2712 02:23:27.440 --> 02:23:30.440 you everybody who joined. I really had a good time tonight. 2713 02:23:30.559 --> 02:23:32.879 And thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's up. 2714 02:23:32.920 --> 02:23:34.280 There was a bunch of you in there, I guess 2715 02:23:34.319 --> 02:23:36.879 from you know, old channels too. I really appreciate the 2716 02:23:36.959 --> 02:23:39.559 comments and the you know, the questions and stuff and that. 2717 02:23:40.479 --> 02:23:43.280 Uh yeah, and until the next one, everybody else you 2718 02:23:43.360 --> 02:23:43.520 will 2719 02:24:09.719 --> 02:24:09.920 Name