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Speaker 5: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode we got a
Speaker 5: very very special guest and I guess a special show
Speaker 5: on topic for you. But before we get to the guests,
Speaker 5: I do want to introduce you to the other rejects
Speaker 5: that are joining us tonight. Tonight, I'm going to start
Speaker 5: with Heidi to the left of me. Heidi, let everybody
Speaker 5: know what your deal is and what's up and where
Speaker 5: they can find all your amazing work.
Speaker 6: Please awesome, I am Heidi, love of the Unfiltered Rise.
Speaker 6: I'm everywhere podcasts are served. My little forte is Mormons
Speaker 6: because I used to be one, and also JFK because
Speaker 6: I'm a weirdo.
Speaker 7: I don't know anything that has to do with that, right, and.
Speaker 6: So find me there and at Unfilteredrise podcast dot com
Speaker 6: thank you for having me.
Speaker 5: Happy to be here listen, no, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 5: and uh maybe new listeners that might be coming across
Speaker 5: the show for the first time. Definitely go check out
Speaker 5: her Mormon Mafia series on here. That is that is
Speaker 5: on fire. Great work, especially JJ. You know he's he's
Speaker 5: involved in it too. Some great stuff. Definitely check it out.
Speaker 5: And JJ, you're next. What's up, sir? Let everybody know
Speaker 5: what your deal is.
Speaker 8: Nick Creating, Sir, appreciate the invite. As always, I enjoyed
Speaker 8: the occult rejects roundtable discussions we have here, but tonight,
Speaker 8: you know specifically because I ever since I encountered a
Speaker 8: Kentucky vampire cult years ago that I've long been interested
Speaker 8: in these subjects. So JJ vance not the vice president,
Speaker 8: it's Operation GCD. Definitely looking forward to the conversation Julia
Speaker 8: and Heidi is always great to join you.
Speaker 4: It's that's great to meet you.
Speaker 5: Awesome, thank you very much. Yeah, And when I had
Speaker 5: asked her to come on, I was like, I have
Speaker 5: to ask him to come on, because I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 5: I really didn't entertain vampire cults too much until you
Speaker 5: had me on and we talked about it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is really interesting. So I got to get my
Speaker 5: man off for this. So thank you, Like I had
Speaker 5: told you, I think I said, you probably inspired this somehow,
Speaker 5: so I appreciate it. And next, lest but not least,
Speaker 5: Cosmic Peach Julia, what up? What's going on?
Speaker 9: What's up? Nick? I'm excited to be here. This is
Speaker 9: gonna be a good one. I can already tell by
Speaker 9: the guest Bangs, I was just commenting on before we
Speaker 9: got started. She's fabulous. But yeah, no, I have Cosmic
Speaker 9: Peach podcasts. If you haven't found me already, you never will.
Speaker 9: Honorary Occult reject for the night though. Excited to be here, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much. Always a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 5: And finally to the guest, Celeste Moott, writer wickan witch rat, Mom,
Speaker 5: all sorts of things. Please let everybody know. I guess
Speaker 5: what your deal is where if because I do know
Speaker 5: you have social media, which I include that in the
Speaker 5: bottom for people, but if you want to let people know,
Speaker 5: I guess maybe what your deal is and where they
Speaker 5: can find your stuff, and I guess after that we'll
Speaker 5: get into how you got involved in the an Rise
Speaker 5: vampire cle.
Speaker 1: Oh what a story it is. Yeah. So, my name's
Speaker 1: Celes Mott. I'm been a full time professional which as
Speaker 1: my only source of income for about seven eight years,
Speaker 1: and been sort of doing a cult work for about
Speaker 1: twenty years. And yeah, also mother of rats. I have
Speaker 1: several rats that I caretake. And I'm a writer. I
Speaker 1: went to school for poetry and am currently working on
Speaker 1: a book about what I went viral for unexpectedly the
Speaker 1: last week. So I'm excited about all of that. You
Speaker 1: can find my spiritual work. And also, if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this and you haven't encountered my weird saga of vampires,
Speaker 1: I'm making videos about it on my Instagram and on
Speaker 1: my TikTok. So I'm Celeste Motte Mott over on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I'm Celeste Moth like the flying thing over on TikTok.
Speaker 5: That is great. I'll have to edd you over on TikTok.
Speaker 5: I don't know you're over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so.
Speaker 5: Uh, I guess, you know, I guess maybe if you
Speaker 5: can maybe even give us like a I guess, an
Speaker 5: idea like where you were in your life when this evens,
Speaker 5: Like how did you even come about to get get
Speaker 5: into it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So I joined this on. It was
Speaker 1: the whole thing started online, and those of you who's
Speaker 1: seen the videos will kind of know the genesis of
Speaker 1: the story. And the Internet of two thousand and three
Speaker 1: was not the Internet of twenty twenty five. It was
Speaker 1: different in many many ways. So I was in high
Speaker 1: school at the time. I think I was fifteen. I
Speaker 1: might have been sixteen, just but I was a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, living with my mom in Australia, which is
Speaker 1: where I go up, and you know, I just was
Speaker 1: not having a great time. I was a weird little
Speaker 1: kid in a very very boring, suburban beach front kind
Speaker 1: of existence. I was a little goth kid, you know,
Speaker 1: and into weird music and listen to a lot of
Speaker 1: like David Bowie and The Cure and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Jam and reading a lot of and Rise, reading a
Speaker 1: lot of other horror novels, and very into the paranormal
Speaker 1: and the occult even then. I've been into that since
Speaker 1: I was a teeny tiny little kid, reading books about
Speaker 1: witches and ghosts and stuff. And I just didn't really
Speaker 1: have a huge community around me of people in real
Speaker 1: life I had friends, you know, like there are a
Speaker 1: couple of people in the TikTok comments who are like,
Speaker 1: did you ever think of making a friend? I was like,
Speaker 1: I had friends, Like, come on, now, I wasn't I
Speaker 1: wasn't a complete loser, but you know, I didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of people in real life that I was
Speaker 1: able to vibe with about these bigger things that I
Speaker 1: was into. And so, like a lot of people my age,
Speaker 1: even older, you know, in that time, on the Internet,
Speaker 1: I went online and I looked for people who had
Speaker 1: similar interests. I was very motivated, even at a young age.
Speaker 1: You've been in my teens, you know, to find something more.
Speaker 1: I had a real sense that there was something that
Speaker 1: existed outside of just paying your bills and working a
Speaker 1: shitty job and you know, doing your algebra homework. I
Speaker 1: had had some supernatural and paranormal experiences and some spiritual experiences,
Speaker 1: and so I took to you know, ask Jeeves. I
Speaker 1: guess was like free everybody using Google. So I asked Jeeves,
Speaker 1: you know, vampires, real vampires, real online, like, show me
Speaker 1: what you got, and came across all sults of strange
Speaker 1: and wonderful websites that existed again back in the old
Speaker 1: days of the Internet. But one of the websites I
Speaker 1: came across was this internet forum that claimed to be
Speaker 1: run by Anne Rice's Vampires, which is ludicrous on first blush,
Speaker 1: but you know, the saga continues.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 9: So this is like a real cult that's still I
Speaker 9: mean they still have it's still operating, and.
Speaker 1: That's a great question. What I can say is this,
Speaker 1: the people who ran this group definitely do still have
Speaker 1: an online presence. And the presence that they have online
Speaker 1: now you know, you can it's a URL that anybody
Speaker 1: can type in, and anyone can go to this little
Speaker 1: back end site, but you can't see anything. They have
Speaker 1: a form that you can fill out and you can say,
Speaker 1: you know, were you a current are you a current member,
Speaker 1: where you a former member? Are you a total new
Speaker 1: person to this whole thing? And you can request to
Speaker 1: join and then they will or will not give you
Speaker 1: the log in for the back end of their site.
Speaker 1: So it operates. I assume in some sense I have
Speaker 1: not been part of it since I guess they kicked
Speaker 1: me out in twenty eleven. The last contact I had
Speaker 1: with any of these people was twenty fourteen and it
Speaker 1: did not go well. So I don't know how active
Speaker 1: it is behind the scenes, but yeah, it's still there.
Speaker 9: Did they give names like my name is this? My
Speaker 9: name is that? Like specific vampires from like the nos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the kind of the setup of the whole group,
Speaker 1: and this was part of what when I first found
Speaker 1: it made me think of like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit, you know, like I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming we can swear on the occult regents and I'm
Speaker 1: assumed cursing is signed. Sometimes like no, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: from Australia. There's nothing I can do about that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so most internet forums fandom stuff, you know, and rice
Speaker 1: or whatever fandom that you were looking at that existed
Speaker 1: at the time. And still if you sign up, you're
Speaker 1: signing up either as yourself or you're signing up and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I would love to join your like fune
Speaker 1: little role playing game. I would like to play the
Speaker 1: role of Lastett. Here's my audition. And then everybody kind
Speaker 1: of knows, all right, world writing collaboratively, it's a role
Speaker 1: play in real life. I'm celess, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: be like lestat on the internet. This group was very different.
Speaker 1: You were not allowed to audition, to play a role.
Speaker 1: You were not allowed to go on there and be
Speaker 1: like I am Nostratu and I'm here to drink a
Speaker 1: beer with Lissette in the bar. You had to just
Speaker 1: be you. But the moderators at the forum were the
Speaker 1: vampires that we had all step We had a you know,
Speaker 1: armand we had a Louis met a Marius. And those
Speaker 1: people never revealed their real names. They were in character
Speaker 1: all the time. And the part that really turned it
Speaker 1: into kind of a cult like environment. And this went on,
Speaker 1: you know, for me eleven years, I think I was involved.
Speaker 1: Other people were involved for much much longer. But the
Speaker 1: mosque never dropped at any point, and they really created
Speaker 1: this environment where they were insisting we are the immortal vampires,
Speaker 1: like in one way or another, we are who we
Speaker 1: claim to be, and if you don't believe it, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to make your life very difficult. Like either
Speaker 1: we're either you're just going to get the boot and
Speaker 1: you're out of the club, or we're going to belittle
Speaker 1: you and bully you and harass you until you come
Speaker 1: to the party. And there was a lot of like
Speaker 1: manipulation that went into convincing us that this was.
Speaker 5: The truth scientigence, right.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you know, Oh, I was just
Speaker 6: going to say, I didn't know if you knew about
Speaker 6: some of the other ones. I actually interviewed an ex
Speaker 6: vampire already. He was from another really yeah, and he
Speaker 6: was in a guys one.
Speaker 7: It was this guy.
Speaker 6: He's a famous guy and they do like shows and
Speaker 6: you can go to the show and like they have
Speaker 6: like graves and stuff like that, and like back about
Speaker 6: the same timeframe.
Speaker 7: I can't remember the guy's name that he was a part.
Speaker 1: Of the same Is this the Sanguinarian group. It's not,
Speaker 1: it's not. He has the best and is it?
Speaker 7: I think it might be the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those well, I know, yeah, I know, I know
Speaker 1: those folks a little bit.
Speaker 7: Yeah. He sent me a whole bunch of literature. It
Speaker 7: was super interesting.
Speaker 6: He sent me like the Temple of the Vampire books
Speaker 6: and stuff, and I read a whole bunch of it before.
Speaker 7: So fascinating to hear too.
Speaker 6: Like he was explaining about like the mental vampiism versus yeah.
Speaker 1: Energy stuff, and that's a funny thing about the group.
Speaker 1: I was in like even though at first blush you
Speaker 1: look at it and you think, well, that's peyton ridiculous,
Speaker 1: of course, like this person on the internet forum is
Speaker 1: not a fictional vampire written by Anne Rice. God Rest
Speaker 1: your soul. But there was a lot of intersection with
Speaker 1: the groups that you just mentioned, you know, like what
Speaker 1: they would call like the real vampire community, the sanguinarian community,
Speaker 1: the other kin community, like all of these things kind
Speaker 1: of coalescing in a oddly frightening way.
Speaker 4: Wow, it sounds like, go ahead, I know you're done.
Speaker 4: How to go ahead?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, so, did you like get
Speaker 6: involved with the other ones? Do they all come together
Speaker 6: and like meet at certain times or I mean.
Speaker 1: Not explicitly, I guess I think like with any weird subculture,
Speaker 1: you know, in the same way as the goth subculture
Speaker 1: intersects with the vampire subculture, oftentimes just because you got
Speaker 1: some shared interests. There were definitely individual members of the
Speaker 1: group I was in, and possibly also moderators that did
Speaker 1: intersect with the sanguinarian community. It's a little convoluted, but
Speaker 1: very very much. Toward the end of my involvement with
Speaker 1: the group, the people involved in running the group I
Speaker 1: was in actually founded a like Vampire's Only facebook that
Speaker 1: they call get Fanged, and the whole get Fanged group
Speaker 1: was strictly for sanguinarians, So there was overlap. But to
Speaker 1: my I mean, I never met anybody that I know
Speaker 1: to be a moderator who was like at any of
Speaker 1: these events. I've gone to the events, though, like sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll go to an Endless Night ball in New Orleans
Speaker 1: a lot. I have my own thoughts on a lot
Speaker 1: of those people, so I like to keep myself on
Speaker 1: the gently on the outside looking in. But yeah, there
Speaker 1: was definitely I think there was probably a lot more
Speaker 1: overlap than I even realize at this point.
Speaker 7: Wow, okay, awesome, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you welcome, Celesti.
Speaker 8: You were saying, well, now I have a new question
Speaker 8: also to add on there. I appreciate that what's the sanguinarian.
Speaker 4: What is this?
Speaker 1: So the sanguinarian community, And again being not myself a
Speaker 1: part of that community, I can only speak as a
Speaker 1: kind of fringe outsider. So if if anything up and
Speaker 1: somebody watches this, don't come from me, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: But my understanding is that the sanguinarian community is a
Speaker 1: vampire based subculture where the participants do drink human blood.
Speaker 1: They believe in some sense that they are vampires or
Speaker 1: that they are and sometimes sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: like it's an energy exchange, right, that's the purpose. So
Speaker 1: we're not talking like, you know, filling up an eight
Speaker 1: pint glass and down in it.
Speaker 9: But some of them will blood eggs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you know, you'll have a donor and someone
Speaker 1: you know, you'll have your your donor who up.
Speaker 6: Yeah he said, it's all like they he was on
Speaker 6: each other. Yeah, and it has to be like all
Speaker 6: checked out and like yeah contracts.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's because in a way it kind of overlaps. Again,
Speaker 1: it's it is not necessarily the kink scene, but it
Speaker 1: intersects with the kink scene.
Speaker 5: So you have a way of saying, yeah, I can easily,
Speaker 5: I can even say that's like you'll sometimes wonder if
Speaker 5: that's why you get that kind of even within Like
Speaker 5: I saw that with the ot O, how I could
Speaker 5: see how it does kind of connect to the kink
Speaker 5: scene in a way, And I think that's how you
Speaker 5: get some of the more weirder ones showing up.
Speaker 9: Yeah I'm not I'm not into Yeah, I'm not into
Speaker 9: kink shaming or anything like that, but I mean, I
Speaker 9: just it's the thought of it to me is just
Speaker 9: like you have to wonder if there's not a bit
Speaker 9: of like mental illness involved when you take it to
Speaker 9: that point.
Speaker 1: I think the body people there is. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you think about just the prevalence of mental illness generally,
Speaker 1: I mean, so many of us are not necessarily entirely
Speaker 1: well for various reasons, and there's a lot of trauma
Speaker 1: that brings people into communities like that. I mean, even
Speaker 1: in the goth community, there's a lot of trauma at
Speaker 1: play because you're an outsider, you've been an outside of
Speaker 1: your whole life. You're not fitting into the mainstream. I
Speaker 1: think the same is true of the wider occult community.
Speaker 1: And very sadly, you know, sometimes it's mild mental illness
Speaker 1: where you just have not a great childhood and maybe
Speaker 1: you struggle with some stuff. And other times it's very
Speaker 1: severely unchecked mental illness and that is its own problem.
Speaker 9: But yeah, you're right, you know, yeah, like drinking blood
Speaker 9: and starting a cult. Hey, I wouldn't mind starting a
Speaker 9: cult if it was like like fake vamporism. I'm down
Speaker 9: with that. Like, I could almost see myself getting involved
Speaker 9: with fake vamporism cults because I grew up in the
Speaker 9: generation where it was like Twilight, and you know, it
Speaker 9: was very much kind of sensationalized, and I would have
Speaker 9: found myself like wanting to be a part of that stuff. Sure,
Speaker 9: But I was going to ask, oh, yeah, you go ahead, JJ.
Speaker 8: Well, no, that's a great point. That's well, that's that's
Speaker 8: exactly I was going to ask. Less, was the impact
Speaker 8: of these these errors of film and whatnot. It sounds
Speaker 8: like you joined this form around the time of the
Speaker 8: turn of the millennium.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I probably signed up around two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, so right about then.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, so you saw the full scope of some
Speaker 8: of these films, Like Juliet just pointed out, like, did
Speaker 8: that impact this community at all?
Speaker 4: All these films?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think like the vampire boom that happened
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, Like that's what it felt
Speaker 1: like to me, much like we kind of had witchcraft
Speaker 1: boom a little bit in like twenty twenty because everybody
Speaker 1: was stuck in their houses and so which talk became huge,
Speaker 1: you know, on TikTok. I think the early two thousands
Speaker 1: had a little vampire boom for whatever reason. I think
Speaker 1: Twilight was a big part of that. For sure.
Speaker 4: Julian was enjoying that.
Speaker 9: Huh dude, I would have joined it in a second
Speaker 9: back in seventh grade. Yeah, because it's.
Speaker 1: Appealing, Like, there's something very, very universally appealing about the
Speaker 1: vampire as an archetype like it. You know, vampires if
Speaker 1: we don't count like Nosparatu, which is a whole mother matter,
Speaker 1: but you know, they're they're sexy, and they're eternally young,
Speaker 1: and they're powerful, and you know, if you're especially in
Speaker 1: the world of Anne Rice and Twilight honestly, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a vampire, you don't never see like a poor,
Speaker 1: homeless vampire. You don't never see like a vampire that's
Speaker 1: like old and decrepit. In this in this new media incarnation,
Speaker 1: what you see is like young and beautiful and intelligent
Speaker 1: and educated and philosophical and rich. Yeah, who doesn't if
Speaker 1: you're a sad little goth kid with no friends, who
Speaker 1: doesn't sit in your bedroom thinking like, damn, my life
Speaker 1: kind of sucks, be really cool if a vampire, Yeah.
Speaker 9: Pitt literally interview.
Speaker 8: There was some big cultural films, cultural impact films, right,
Speaker 8: what was the vampire Yeah, Empire.
Speaker 1: Film Blade, also.
Speaker 5: Like the Amazing Yeah they.
Speaker 1: Were Yeah, the first one I liked, second one was
Speaker 1: all right after that, let's not talk about it.
Speaker 9: I mean, going all the way back to the beginning
Speaker 9: of time, they are mentioned of vampires. I actually just
Speaker 9: covered this in a separate episode on another show. And
Speaker 9: uh they even say like the very first wife of Adam,
Speaker 9: her name was Lilith, that she she was even vampiric,
Speaker 9: kind of like an immortal being who sustained off of
Speaker 9: the life of other people or something like that. And
Speaker 9: I mean it goes all the way back to literally
Speaker 9: the beginning of time, So there is an obsession with it.
Speaker 9: But I also think that the obsession comes from there's
Speaker 9: a little bit of truth in it, that there are
Speaker 9: beings out there. They were worshiped in the old days
Speaker 9: as like these gods of old and hey, somebody said
Speaker 9: you and me black nightclub vampire Cole, I'm down.
Speaker 5: I would do it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but see I would be a ginger goth in
Speaker 9: their exiled So nobody wants me at the party.
Speaker 7: Everybody loves Gingers. I don't know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but yeah, there's like a sexiness to the vampire thing.
Speaker 9: You never see like a crackheaded, you know vampire. That's
Speaker 9: it's like not very resourceful. It's always My mom watched
Speaker 9: a show when I was growing up. It was called
Speaker 9: Dark Shadows. Yeah, I don't know if you're familiar with that.
Speaker 9: I was obsessed with it. And then Tim Burton did
Speaker 9: that with Johnny Depp. He made Johnny Depp barnabas Collins,
Speaker 9: and I think that movie is incredible. I love it.
Speaker 9: But even that show in itself, I would have joined
Speaker 9: a Dark Shadows cult. I definitely would have. I loved it,
Speaker 9: loved it.
Speaker 7: So did they have the literature for you?
Speaker 6: They're just like I was explaining, like he had books
Speaker 6: on books on books, like there was so many books.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah with that vampire and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think it's because like if if the
Speaker 1: and I got to go back now and watch the episode,
Speaker 1: because that's how I'm like listened to the episod, that
Speaker 1: sounds fascinating. But if it's the same group that I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of, parts of that sanguinary and community and like
Speaker 1: the real vampire community, it does kind of cross into
Speaker 1: almost being a religion or like a you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: not like a formal religion. But they have just like Felamidas,
Speaker 1: they have holy books, they have like tenets, right, they
Speaker 1: have rituals. Our group was not so much like that.
Speaker 1: It was a lot more chaotic in free form. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we had like a holy book. You know, it
Speaker 1: was Anne Riis's books and one thing that did one
Speaker 1: thing that did happen, which was a little weird, and
Speaker 1: you know, with time and age and maturity, I realized
Speaker 1: that it's not as like spooky inexplicable as I thought
Speaker 1: it was when I was sixteen. But they were able
Speaker 1: to get a bunch of us advanced reader copies some
Speaker 1: of Anne's books before they were released, which at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, in the early two thousands, seemed really weird.
Speaker 1: We were like, wow, how did this happen? And there
Speaker 1: was this whole kind of magical element to it, where
Speaker 1: Lestat on the forum had said, you know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get you guys, some of you guys advanced a
Speaker 1: the book before it's been published, and there's going to
Speaker 1: be little clues and synchronicities and secrets hidden in there
Speaker 1: to do with the forum and to do with you guys,
Speaker 1: and some of you are going to be in the book,
Speaker 1: it like under different names, and so we were all
Speaker 1: kind of going through the book trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, no structured tenets, you know, or laws
Speaker 1: aside from I guess the great law, which was you
Speaker 1: have to believe and if you don't believe, you're going
Speaker 1: to be on the outs.
Speaker 9: Well, I know that vampire novels are very are kind
Speaker 9: of synonymous with like romance novels, but just kind of
Speaker 9: like that has like the vampire element, kind of like Twilight.
Speaker 9: But I know several serial killers who were inspired by
Speaker 9: romance novels. I mean, there is a serious obsession with it.
Speaker 9: Did they ever ask you, like extort you for money
Speaker 9: or anything like that, like you can get this copy
Speaker 9: if you pay X dollars or anything.
Speaker 1: Nothing super explicit. Somebody on TikTok asked me this as well.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because when you talk about when
Speaker 1: you talk about cults, oftentimes people are like, well, where's
Speaker 1: the financial incentive? Because that is sort of typical as
Speaker 1: the cult leader makes a lot of money. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at Keith Nary from nexim or you look
Speaker 1: at like any of these assholes, they wind up riches kings.
Speaker 1: There were attempts made to monetize the group I was
Speaker 1: in on and off, mostly through like subscriptions to special
Speaker 1: like forums or access to special archives. They had this
Speaker 1: whole very strange period of time where they ran a
Speaker 1: kind of sister website that was supposed to be a
Speaker 1: paranormal investigation group called the Talamasca. That's a big thing
Speaker 1: in n Ris's books. And they were like, oh, you
Speaker 1: can join up and join the Talamasca and research the paranormal,
Speaker 1: but you're going to have to pay you know, twenty
Speaker 1: nine ninety nine a month or whatever it is. But
Speaker 1: none of that really took off. And I think a
Speaker 1: big part of the reason that it didn't is most
Speaker 1: of us on this site were young, like either actual
Speaker 1: minors like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, or just in early college
Speaker 1: still living with our parents. Like no one had very
Speaker 1: deep pockets. So the monetization didn't go anywhere for them.
Speaker 1: But I think for them it was all about the
Speaker 1: attention and the power and the control.
Speaker 9: Did they ever show their faces.
Speaker 1: Nope, never, not to my knowledge. I mean, and this
Speaker 1: is the other weird thing though, And I've been down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole for the past week since. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't intend to start telling this story on TikTok.
Speaker 1: I was recovering from a sinus infection and I was
Speaker 1: looking at my TikTok account. No, man, I had a
Speaker 1: lot of engagement recently, like just yapping on the internet.
Speaker 1: What if I just like, what if I just tell
Speaker 1: this cult story and see what happens? And then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm at collective League almost two million views of all
Speaker 1: the videos since then, which is it? Kind of it
Speaker 1: kind of slowed down on TikTok, but then on Instagram
Speaker 1: reels it went bananas. But yeah, like this idea of
Speaker 1: like did they or did they not show their faces?
Speaker 1: I've been back in my archives, like archived a lot
Speaker 1: of material back in the day while I was part
Speaker 1: of this group. I saved chat logs, I saved ale
Speaker 1: instant messenger logs.
Speaker 5: I have like, oh yeah, you can see like on
Speaker 5: your on your Instagram, you even.
Speaker 1: The web share. Yeah, screenshots of like what the website
Speaker 1: used to look like and everything. So I was ruthless.
Speaker 1: I was known for it at the time, and it
Speaker 1: made them very uncomfortable and probably continues to make them
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: But I you know what you could probably do now
Speaker 5: that I'm just saying, if you ever wanted to, like,
Speaker 5: oh I wish I could go back, you could probably
Speaker 5: use the wayback machine and possibly find some of them.
Speaker 1: There's some stuff there I looked. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because the forum password protected and you had to have
Speaker 1: an account to really see anything, you can't find anything
Speaker 1: much like with regard to that, but you can see
Speaker 1: their old websites and stuff. It's Banana's. But regarding their faces,
Speaker 1: there was so many layers of like bullshit and subterfuge
Speaker 1: and obfuscation, and so there was never a moment when
Speaker 1: like the person playing with stat who you know, who
Speaker 1: we thought was the stat. There was never a moment
Speaker 1: while Will Stat like turned the webcam on and was like, hey, MTV,
Speaker 1: welcome to my crib. But there were members like regular
Speaker 1: people like me right, who I became friends with over
Speaker 1: the years, very close, stayed in these people's houses, you know,
Speaker 1: traveled with them, who in retrospect very likely were involved
Speaker 1: in some way. And over the past week I've been
Speaker 1: talking to a lot of other members from the time
Speaker 1: and we've been exchanging notes and putting the puzzle pieces together,
Speaker 1: and something else shows just this is an exclusive scoop
Speaker 1: for the occult rejects because I wasn't sure if I
Speaker 1: was going to talk about this publicly, and I may
Speaker 1: not on TikTok. But one of the ladies who probably
Speaker 1: started the whole cult, that's the working theory. She was
Speaker 1: an older woman. She almost certainly founded the whole thing.
Speaker 1: She never admitted to it, but we've all been able to,
Speaker 1: you know, connect the dots. She actually died like seven
Speaker 1: days before I started making my videos, and I found
Speaker 1: that out yesterday. I found her obituary and I was like.
Speaker 9: Oh, dang, so she never saw your stuff?
Speaker 7: No, maybe not. Let you be free to do it,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Did you feel like kind of a spiritual strange little
Speaker 1: like crossing over, you know something? This lady left this
Speaker 1: modal coil and somehow the the truth was set free.
Speaker 1: But that was weird, So I guess in theory, I
Speaker 1: have seen one of their faces just in a twenty
Speaker 1: minute long memorial video, which was very surreal.
Speaker 9: Did she look notable.
Speaker 1: Or just like a little old lady? She really seventy
Speaker 1: five year old woman.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was going to say, did she look like
Speaker 9: she was eternally sixteen or anything?
Speaker 1: Very unfortunately we're all concerned to know she did not.
Speaker 10: Yeah, sorry, Celeste, I'm going to jump in really quick.
Speaker 2: I called as I was a little bit late.
Speaker 10: I apologize to everybody, and thank you Nick obviously for
Speaker 10: hosting me. But so this is very interesting to me.
Speaker 10: You're saying like a woman, uh, sort of founded the cult.
Speaker 2: And I know that.
Speaker 10: I've discussed this with Heidi, I've discussed this with JJ
Speaker 10: and I'm sure Julia is familiar with it. But the
Speaker 10: idea in process obviously Marianne Grimston and like this kind
Speaker 10: of like Mother Prophet Seer Love later. And my friend Ashley,
Speaker 10: who's in the chat right now, she is studying another
Speaker 10: calls out of North Caro Lina called the Word of
Speaker 10: Faith and they are called is also run by a woman,
Speaker 10: an older woman, and they call her the Mother Prophet.
Speaker 10: So I was just wondering if you called her any
Speaker 10: kind of particular titles other than her character.
Speaker 1: We never knew her identity for sure. Like the only
Speaker 1: way I know that this woman almost certainly did found
Speaker 1: the whole thing is through like you know, almost twenty
Speaker 1: years of various different people sleuthing and putting the pieces
Speaker 1: together and you know, adding it all up over the years.
Speaker 1: So this woman never came clean as herself and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's me, I'm behind it. She never stepped, you know,
Speaker 1: out onto the stage and took any kind of responsibility
Speaker 1: that we would have given her a special name. She
Speaker 1: was just always behind that smokes her. And she played Louis,
Speaker 1: who's like the sad boy, and Rice's character Brad Pitt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt. She played Brad Pitt. But yeah, nos so
Speaker 1: in her case. No. But I will say that even
Speaker 1: she did exist on the forum in this group as herself.
Speaker 1: She did have a username and logged on and would
Speaker 1: tell people about you know, her gardening and her grandkids
Speaker 1: and her piano playing and stuff like that. She met
Speaker 1: some people in real life. I was not one of them,
Speaker 1: but she did go to meetups and so on. But
Speaker 1: Onie ever as herself, and the only way that she
Speaker 1: was special as herself was that she claimed that she
Speaker 1: had met the vampires in real life and that she
Speaker 1: was a big part of why so many people came
Speaker 1: to believe because she was like, look, I'm at the time.
Speaker 1: You know, a sixty year old grandma. Why would I
Speaker 1: ally to you guys about any of this, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: an upstanding member of the community. I've worked the same
Speaker 1: university job for forty years. I used to be an
Speaker 1: opera singer. I'm a very normal person. But I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that vampire is real because I've met one. And
Speaker 1: that was the only way that she was special. So
Speaker 1: she didn't get like a special time idle. No one
Speaker 1: gave her credit for running the soul operation. We really
Speaker 1: didn't find out until years later, but she did distinguish
Speaker 1: herself insofar as she was the special one who had
Speaker 1: actually had this face to face contact that all of us,
Speaker 1: you know, desperately wanted.
Speaker 9: Basically was it was like she's seen them, She's telling
Speaker 9: you they're real. But I mean, I'm just surprised that
Speaker 9: they didn't try to, like say, if you paid X
Speaker 9: number dollars, you could get to meet one of them
Speaker 9: or something, or like, I'm surprised they didn't they didn't
Speaker 9: try to like monetize that in some way, like I mean,
Speaker 9: I need one go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, JJ.
Speaker 4: No, that that's a great point.
Speaker 8: I was thinking the same thing what was their in game,
Speaker 8: but they're not trying to monetize it, Like what is
Speaker 8: their in game?
Speaker 6: Well, they make a lot of money on these balls
Speaker 6: she's talking about. You have to dress a certain way,
Speaker 6: you have to have everything to the utmost, like like
Speaker 6: a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if they were in some way connected with
Speaker 1: which I don't know if they were or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, again, before anyone's lawyers descend upon me, I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not saying that my group no were officially a
Speaker 1: part of that, but there may have been other income streams.
Speaker 1: But I think also any attempts they made to monetize
Speaker 1: just didn't work. I mean, their last ditch effort to
Speaker 1: monetize was around about twenty ten and they started this
Speaker 1: like vampire Facebook thing. It was. It was pretty well
Speaker 1: made site. I wish I had screenshots of that, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, it worked very well. They clearly
Speaker 1: had hired a web designer who really knew what they
Speaker 1: were doing, and they had a whole thing set up
Speaker 1: and they were trying to position that and launch it.
Speaker 1: As you know, this is the alternative Vampire's only Facebook,
Speaker 1: and we're going to be rich off that. And I
Speaker 1: think it just didn't go anywhere. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's because so many people in the community again just
Speaker 1: like didn't really have the money and weren't that interested,
Speaker 1: and but yeah, they didn't monetize it. I think what
Speaker 1: they were in it for. I mean, I have a
Speaker 1: couple of theories. Main theory is that these people were
Speaker 1: just not well, especially this like older lady you know,
Speaker 1: who passed away recently. Not to speak ill of the dead,
Speaker 1: but I just don't think that you could possibly be
Speaker 1: a well human being if you spend thirty plus years
Speaker 1: of your life as a fully grown adult with children
Speaker 1: and grandchildren and a job and a life lying to
Speaker 1: miners on the internet that you are a vampire or
Speaker 1: have met vampire something. It's not right in your head.
Speaker 1: You're not doing well. Yeah, so mental illness possibly, But
Speaker 1: I think it was attention. I think it was control.
Speaker 1: I think being able to convince a huge group of
Speaker 1: people to believe something bananas has a lot of appeal
Speaker 1: for a certain type of person, and so I think
Speaker 1: that was the payoff.
Speaker 9: Really, how many people do you, like round about were
Speaker 9: involved in the group when you were When I was.
Speaker 1: A part of the group, there were about I want
Speaker 1: to say three or four hundred people like registered as aaing.
Speaker 9: That's pretty good, that's pretty good for Yeah, I mean
Speaker 9: not all of them are hustred or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not all of them were like regularly active. So
Speaker 1: we had definitely that many people who were there and
Speaker 1: observing or whatever. I would say in terms of like
Speaker 1: active participating members probably close it about one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1: And then off that there was even smaller inner circle
Speaker 1: group of which I was unfortunately part, and that was
Speaker 1: maybe like thirty people thirty thirty five people who were
Speaker 1: you know, going and meeting each other offline and going
Speaker 1: to meet up events and extremely invested in like the narrative.
Speaker 1: But yeah, pretty big group comparatively.
Speaker 9: Did you just get rid of it with age or
Speaker 9: they use said they kicked you out or.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah they kicked me out, which I would use to.
Speaker 9: Send me proof and they were like, you know what,
Speaker 9: you're out of the group.
Speaker 1: Pretty much honestly, Yeah, I would love to say that
Speaker 1: I had just matured and become a more sensible person
Speaker 1: and walked away, but very sadly, no, they eroded my
Speaker 1: mental health over I mean, you know, other things were
Speaker 1: also eroding my mental health and fairness. They're not completely responsible.
Speaker 1: But I was not doing well in my early twenties
Speaker 1: and my late teens, and I think for me, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of my peers who were in the same
Speaker 1: group were able to take things a little bit more
Speaker 1: lightly and they were able to kind of participate. And yes,
Speaker 1: it was impacting them and changing the way they viewed
Speaker 1: the world, and they were invested, but they weren't quite
Speaker 1: as invested as I was. You know, I was all
Speaker 1: in to a damaging degree. But I also really really
Speaker 1: struggled to fully believe even though I was all in,
Speaker 1: even though I really wanted it to be true, I
Speaker 1: really struggled with just like being like, Okay, cool, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is all real. Let's move let's move on with
Speaker 1: with you know, whatever's going on. And so I think
Speaker 1: the doubt and the constantly looking for answers. You know,
Speaker 1: I was constantly I mean that's why I have files
Speaker 1: on my computer to this day with all the evidence.
Speaker 1: I was always talking to people, asking questions, trying to
Speaker 1: find out the truth. I would have conversations with the vampires,
Speaker 1: the moderators and say, look, there's been ten years, you
Speaker 1: guys can just tell me what's really going on? Like,
Speaker 1: we don't have to do we don't have to do
Speaker 1: all this. You know, if we're friends, we're friends, we've
Speaker 1: built a relationship over a decade, you'd just be real
Speaker 1: with me, and they wouldn't. And so then I took
Speaker 1: matters into my own hands to try and discover the
Speaker 1: truth whether they were going to tell me or not,
Speaker 1: which included tracking down he addresses and talking to people
Speaker 1: that they didn't want me to talk to.
Speaker 9: I'll get you kicked out every time.
Speaker 1: Yes it will, Yes, it will. And so that's it,
Speaker 1: and that's why they booted me. Ultimately, was just having
Speaker 1: conversations with the wrong people, asking too many questions. And
Speaker 1: I think from their perspective, you know, not to not
Speaker 1: to be overly fair to a bunch of people who
Speaker 1: light and manipulated miners for years, but from their perspective,
Speaker 1: I think it was like this. You know, I was
Speaker 1: making trouble. I was not just swallowing what they had
Speaker 1: to tell me and sitting down quietly and dealing with it.
Speaker 1: And they didn't like that.
Speaker 7: So mm hmmm, yeah, no kidding, Hey, JJ, that sounds
Speaker 7: like the Mormons.
Speaker 4: I was going to say the exact same thing.
Speaker 8: That sounds like the same damn experience serious former Mormons.
Speaker 4: I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Feel like it's common to a lot of those groups, right, Like,
Speaker 1: but my roommate actually is a former Mormons, so I've
Speaker 1: I've heard Mormon stuff. But also, you know, scientology, you've
Speaker 1: got the same thing. If you're out, you're out. That's it.
Speaker 1: You're a non person, and they're going to tell us,
Speaker 1: socialise about you, and turn other people against you. And
Speaker 1: this was much the same, just on a very smaller scale.
Speaker 8: Well, the scientologists are hiding what what are they hiding?
Speaker 1: I have theories.
Speaker 9: I'd rather be a part of the vampire cult than
Speaker 9: the Mormons, just just saying they're waiting. I'd much rather
Speaker 9: be part of a vampire cult. But I did have
Speaker 9: a question for you. Have you ever watched the show
Speaker 9: or the movie called Catfish? Yeah, okay, so you know
Speaker 9: how like in the in the movie Catfish, like the
Speaker 9: original Catfish story, he shows up and it's the one
Speaker 9: lady and she's playing like many many roles. I mean,
Speaker 9: she's got like twenty Facebook accounts set up. She's got
Speaker 9: like cousins and brothers and like moms and all this stuff,
Speaker 9: and it's just one lady, and you know, she had
Speaker 9: convinced this guy had completely fallen in love with her,
Speaker 9: and you know, showed up and she even like brought
Speaker 9: him in her house and was still trying to keep
Speaker 9: the ruse up. So, I mean, the thing is, when
Speaker 9: you start digging in and you start trying to find
Speaker 9: answers because you feel like something's fishy, they will, at
Speaker 9: all costs try to keep the fantasy alive. Yeah, so
Speaker 9: they probably would have rather gotten rid of you than
Speaker 9: to just been like, hey, nobody's really a vampire here.
Speaker 9: We're busted. You know, They're gonna go down to the
Speaker 9: last moment getting people to think they're really vampires than
Speaker 9: to just be like busted, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I remember watching Catfish for the first time.
Speaker 1: I can't remember when that came out, but it's going
Speaker 1: to have been sometime in the early two thousands, I think,
Speaker 1: And I remember watching it at the time and being
Speaker 1: like this is the same. Like I knew on some level,
Speaker 1: I was like, what I am involved in is going
Speaker 1: to it is going to be this, And there was
Speaker 1: always sorry already so much, so much whispering behind the
Speaker 1: scenes between those of us who were participants of this, saying,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, do you think that so and so
Speaker 1: is real? Do you think that this person's really a plant?
Speaker 1: You know? Is this a fake profile? Is that a
Speaker 1: fake profile? Like we were highly suspicious the whole time.
Speaker 1: I found out years later, actually, like a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, I reconnected with some people who were part
Speaker 1: of this group, and one of these women said to me,
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, you can tell me now,
Speaker 1: were you one of the vampires? I was like, bitch, no,
Speaker 1: my life had been so much easier if that had
Speaker 1: been the truth. You know, that's the level of distrust
Speaker 1: and like weirdness that it created between all of those Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, for sure, what are your theories not not legally
Speaker 6: tendering any kind of uh aspect behind that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we got to cover cover our legal basis
Speaker 1: my theories. So, as I said, you know, yesterday was
Speaker 1: a weird day because I found this lady's obituary and
Speaker 1: by adding certain things, I mean there were pictures in
Speaker 1: this lady's like oh bit slide show that I remember
Speaker 1: being posted to the forum. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is her? And then I ran it by a
Speaker 1: friend of mine who actually met this woman in real life.
Speaker 1: I said, just to confirm, is this is this? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say her name, but is this
Speaker 1: Bonnie fake name? Is this Bonnie from the forum who
Speaker 1: we all think probably played Louis? And my friend was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's her. So I guess theory one is it really
Speaker 1: was just a bunch of n Riis super fans who
Speaker 1: were also not well in some way or had to
Speaker 1: void that they needed to fill, and they were filling
Speaker 1: that by being highly manipulative and sketchy on the internet.
Speaker 1: That's that's the first and probably most likely theory. But
Speaker 1: I do have a kind of secondary theory which dovetails
Speaker 1: into the occult a little bit. You know, I'm a
Speaker 1: witch full time now, that's what I do as a job.
Speaker 1: In that line of work, I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: shit and gotten down a lot of rabbit holes and
Speaker 1: and a lot of research and reading. And you know
Speaker 1: the concept of the aggregor right where or like theater
Speaker 1: eggor tulpa thought form. It's got different names that people use,
Speaker 1: but the idea that like a concentrated amount of belief
Speaker 1: and focus and sometimes meditation or magical practice can create
Speaker 1: a being or a manifestation or like a fai that
Speaker 1: exists independently from the people who are putting that energy
Speaker 1: into it. There is a part of me that thinks
Speaker 1: that something like that was going on in this group,
Speaker 1: not by accident, but purposefully. And I say that because
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who were running this forum,
Speaker 1: I mean Lastat especially, but some of the other moderators too,
Speaker 1: knew a lot about the occult. They were posting about Felima,
Speaker 1: they were posting about Ederer Rosen Tulpa's Tibetan Buddhism, and
Speaker 1: so that calls into question was there some other purpose
Speaker 1: for all this beyond just like Trala la la la
Speaker 1: la to pretend to be vampires.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I was going to ask earlier because I was wondering,
Speaker 5: like sometimes just like even if people just being manipulated
Speaker 5: and used, it might be an occultist this somewhere, And
Speaker 5: I was going to ask if they entertained the occult
Speaker 5: on this form. I just didn't get to asking it,
Speaker 5: So I guess I guess they didn't. They were open
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were open about it. They were looking back,
Speaker 1: you know, I think teaching us in some ways. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of us were kids. I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and I definitely learned about a lot of these occult
Speaker 1: topics and was sort of guided through how to do
Speaker 1: further research and learn more by these people. Dreams were
Speaker 1: a huge part of what they did, like dreaming and
Speaker 1: dream work and lucid dreaming and dream walking each other
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I first heard the term synchronicity
Speaker 1: on this forum and like read the works of Carl
Speaker 1: Jung because of the forum. So yeah, actually, because.
Speaker 9: Go ahead, he was saying, Oh, I said they would
Speaker 9: like get in your dreams. Is that what that means?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a whole That was a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: And I mean, look, i am a full time professional
Speaker 1: witch and I've experienced some weird shit, but I'm also
Speaker 1: a skeptic. Like it's a weird line to draw, but
Speaker 1: I've kind of got Scully one shoulder and Molder on
Speaker 1: the other, you know. But there were some things that
Speaker 1: I can't really explain. There was some dream experiences. I've
Speaker 1: always been a lucid dreamer. I've always been a very
Speaker 1: vivid dreamer since I was a tiny little kid. But
Speaker 1: there were some things that happened while I was a
Speaker 1: part of this forum that were extremely strange. Waking up
Speaker 1: Lake with my body covered in bruises in places wouldn't
Speaker 1: have made sense for me to be like knocking myself around,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, weird stuff.
Speaker 4: Wow, that sounds pretty wild.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was piggyback on next tape, and I was
Speaker 8: curious too when you mentioned earlier Julia about the Lilith,
Speaker 8: the original vampire. So Michael Quina's wife, Lilith, when they
Speaker 8: first started the temple A set, she starts this thing
Speaker 8: called I'm not sure if you're familiar with this list.
Speaker 4: The vampire order or the order of the Vampire. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so there's some sort of.
Speaker 8: Mashed together of the Lima, like you were saying, and
Speaker 8: in some sort of vampire business.
Speaker 9: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And it's like you see that a lot. I think,
Speaker 1: pardon me, I'm getting sloking over this cold. You see
Speaker 1: that a lot? I think with for whatever reason, Thelema
Speaker 1: just seems to like slot very nicely into just like
Speaker 1: the other belief systems, and it kind of but you know,
Speaker 1: you've seen that with the Tiffony and Oto, right, like
Speaker 1: that's HP Lovecraft mythology, but it's blended with Thelma and
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know whether there was something purposeful
Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes that was ramping up to
Speaker 1: become more organized or more like official in some way.
Speaker 1: Maybe it did, and I just don't know about it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 10: Well, I have a little thing to sort of piggy
Speaker 10: back off JJ. Is that there is I don't know
Speaker 10: if you're familiar with it's lust, but there is an order.
Speaker 2: It's called vampire Buddhism for vampires.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 10: He So it's very larpaye and like a lot of
Speaker 10: of the we'll say, very online Buddhists, especially on Twitter,
Speaker 10: we all laugh at it. But there is something that
Speaker 10: you're you're right about, because we do talk a lot
Speaker 10: about like things like the Carnel Ground, and we have
Speaker 10: vampires and obviously like the kind of Babylon figure like
Speaker 10: the Dikinis, the Red Girls, a scarlet woman that's very
Speaker 10: prominent in Buddhism. So and they are sometimes considered vampires.
Speaker 10: But it's a conceptual. It's not literal. It's just it's
Speaker 10: a strictly conceptual. So I but I can understand if
Speaker 10: you were a more literalist person, like you're saying like
Speaker 10: you were taking sort of these books that are fictional,
Speaker 10: but you're sort of taking them out of their context
Speaker 10: and making them like a liturgical or religious text.
Speaker 2: This is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's and I think, you know, you
Speaker 1: bring up a really great point there too, because they're
Speaker 1: in the in the tradition of witchcraft that I now practice.
Speaker 1: Let's enter it from that, I practice like a kind
Speaker 1: of hybrid tread craft, like traditional witchcraft blended with sort
Speaker 1: of folk Catholicism, that sort of where my practice pulls.
Speaker 1: But in traditional witchcraft and in folkloric witchcraft, I mean
Speaker 1: you're drawing on folk tales. You're drawing on groom noirs
Speaker 1: written by people, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago,
Speaker 1: which are in turn drawing on folk tales to formulate
Speaker 1: this sort of spiritual system in this magical practice. And
Speaker 1: so I think that the line between stories and reality
Speaker 1: is not quite as like firmly delineated as sometimes we
Speaker 1: think it is, especially if you're a magical practitioner, if
Speaker 1: you're an occultist, like story and narrative are kind of
Speaker 1: the driving force of an occult worldview, whether or not
Speaker 1: your story is you know, Crowley's writings or HP lovecraft
Speaker 1: writings through the lens of Crowley, you know, or fairy
Speaker 1: tales like it becomes the lens you are looking at
Speaker 1: the world through. And so I think you know, in
Speaker 1: your case you're talking about the vampire is not, of course,
Speaker 1: a literal thing that's going to go come to your
Speaker 1: house and drink your blood in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a sort of metaphorical or symbolic kind
Speaker 1: of role. But I think sometimes there's more overlap in
Speaker 1: those things than we realize, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean this is something that I Nick knows.
Speaker 10: I'm really fascinated by this idea of like parafiction and metafiction,
Speaker 10: like looking at the exactly like what you said, like
Speaker 10: Crowley's writing, it'ssel full of fiction, but the people can't
Speaker 10: really distinguish it. So there's a point where it doesn't
Speaker 10: even matter because it is kind of real.
Speaker 2: It is real if you believe it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmmm mm hm.
Speaker 5: So you did mention, Oh you said the lima was
Speaker 5: like definitely, was that like more of a bigger thing
Speaker 5: that really.
Speaker 1: Like on the forum, not not explicitly they were putting
Speaker 1: ideas out there that were, you know, Belama adjacent, I
Speaker 1: would say, but they were mishmashing a lot of different
Speaker 1: spiritual concepts. There was just a real there seemed to
Speaker 1: be for them, like for these ban Bio moderators, a
Speaker 1: real fascination and definitely a level of knowledge about topics
Speaker 1: that definitely far exceeded what most of us are. What,
Speaker 1: like the average you on the street wouldn't know.
Speaker 5: Did you have any members on there that had like
Speaker 5: sigils that they've made of themselves, like as their logo
Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I can't remember that off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure we did. I mean, sigil magic. It
Speaker 1: did become yeah, it did become a yeah. And because
Speaker 1: I think I know where you're going with I think
Speaker 1: I know where you're going with that. Maybe I don't
Speaker 1: recall it, but it wouldn't surprise me. And I think
Speaker 1: if I'm right about where you're going with that, I
Speaker 1: think the concept is the same. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I've seen people in the chat saying, you know, energy vampires.
Speaker 1: I think that there were there was some kind of
Speaker 1: energetic exchange happening, whether that whether you know, we use
Speaker 1: the term energy vampire or a psychic vampire for just
Speaker 1: regular people in our lives who piss us off. Right,
Speaker 1: You're like boss who sucks the air out of the
Speaker 1: room immediately he walks in. If you're talking about it
Speaker 1: in an occult context, you're talking about somebody who's doing
Speaker 1: it more purposefully. They're trying to suck that energy out
Speaker 1: of you to kind of benefit themselves. And I think
Speaker 1: that there was a level of like energy siphoning or
Speaker 1: energy like vamporism going on in that in that place,
Speaker 1: I suspect purposefully. I don't remember sigils being a part
Speaker 1: of it explicitly, but it also wouldn't surprise me if
Speaker 1: that were the case.
Speaker 2: Well did you.
Speaker 9: I was just going to say, did you have any
Speaker 9: other supernatural experience while you were a part of that
Speaker 9: cole other than like the dreams and stuff?
Speaker 1: Most of what I directly experienced was stuff that took
Speaker 1: place in like a a dream or dream adjacent space.
Speaker 1: So and for that reason, you know, again, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me because I'm pretty pragmatic and skeptical, but I'm
Speaker 1: also somebody who like lives in this world and does
Speaker 1: this for a living, so I in my brain, I
Speaker 1: hold two realities to be true at once. One the
Speaker 1: brain is weird, and when we're asleep or hop asleep,
Speaker 1: it does also a weird shit. But how you're going
Speaker 1: to interpret that weird shit that your brain is doing
Speaker 1: is really going to depend what your worldview is. If
Speaker 1: you're a super like you know, my partner is extremely scientific.
Speaker 1: He's like, he doesn't really He's fascinated by mysticism and
Speaker 1: the occult, but he doesn't really ascribe to it. He's
Speaker 1: a very sort of science based guy. And so if
Speaker 1: he has a hypnagogic hallucination of something, he's waken up
Speaker 1: from a dream and he sees, you know, a guy's
Speaker 1: to in the corner of his room, he's just going
Speaker 1: to be like, my brain's doing something weird. If I
Speaker 1: see that, I'm going to say, my brain's doing something weird.
Speaker 1: But what is it trying to tell me? Is there
Speaker 1: some you know, why is this happening today instead of
Speaker 1: last week? Is there some message that I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: be taking from this thing that I'm seeing, Which I
Speaker 1: realize i'm rambling now, But to your point, most of
Speaker 1: the things that I experienced in the cult that I
Speaker 1: would describe as in some way paranormal took place in
Speaker 1: that kind of sphere. The biggest weirdest thing was that
Speaker 1: I did have one night an experience where I had
Speaker 1: been very frustrated with my lack of direct experience. All
Speaker 1: these other people, you know, this now dead seventy five
Speaker 1: year old woman, were walking around being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I meet the vampires all the time, and they send
Speaker 1: me roses and take me out to lunch, and I'm like, bitch,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Like where's my interaction? You know, I'm pissed.
Speaker 1: I'm like, she looks like a tiny old woman and
Speaker 1: I'm a hot seventeen year old. What's going over? I
Speaker 1: can be his stuff?
Speaker 5: Where's my It's like a mindfucker, I can see that.
Speaker 9: Yeah right, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I can going to bed that night and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of talking in my head to one
Speaker 1: of these vampire moderators that I had a rapport with,
Speaker 1: and mentally, I'm just like listen, motherfucker, Like this has
Speaker 1: gone on long enough. We we have been talking back
Speaker 1: and forth for so long, and you've been playing these
Speaker 1: mind games with me, and you've been sending me these
Speaker 1: little dreams like show up, show up, motherfucker. I'm I
Speaker 1: won't go crazy. So I full sleep and I wake
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night, as as you
Speaker 1: do sometimes, and I'm rolling over and I stretch my
Speaker 1: legs out a nice, big, like sleepy time stretch, and
Speaker 1: my foot connects with a shape on the end of
Speaker 1: my bed, like a like a heft, and I think
Speaker 1: a trust is just like one of my cats or something,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of opened my eyes blearly. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of feeling around this long and I realized that
Speaker 1: it's too big to be a cat. And when I
Speaker 1: open my eyes, I see that it's a figure sitting
Speaker 1: on the end of my bed. And it was very
Speaker 1: odd because I don't get sleep paralysis. I definitely do
Speaker 1: have hypnagogic hallucinations. I definitely do have lucid dreams, but
Speaker 1: I've never been asleep paralysis. Girly, So I'm seeing this
Speaker 1: thing sitting at the end of my bed, and cognitively,
Speaker 1: I'm realizing, this is what you asked for, this is
Speaker 1: what you wanted to happen, like this is your chance.
Speaker 1: But then my entire body is flooded with terror, just
Speaker 1: extreme terror, like what I hear people. When people describe
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis, I assume that this is what they're experiencing,
Speaker 1: like it was that level of visceral just like And
Speaker 1: then as I'm experiencing this, suddenly it's almost like getting anesthesia.
Speaker 1: I'm suddenly not afraid at all anymore. All the physical
Speaker 1: trappings of anxiety, like your heart rate going up and
Speaker 1: all of that, it just goes. And so again, cognitively,
Speaker 1: I'm no one'm scared, but I can't access the fear
Speaker 1: anymore either. And as I'm looking at all this happened. This,
Speaker 1: this person is crawling up to bed toward me, and
Speaker 1: my brain is my brain is like, stay awake, stay awake,
Speaker 1: stay awake, stay awake. You wanted this, don't go sleep
Speaker 1: thro sep and I just fall asleep. And I woke
Speaker 1: up in the morning and my bedside light was on,
Speaker 1: which it had been off before I had gone to bed.
Speaker 1: My bedroom door is open, which it had been closed
Speaker 1: before I went to bed, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: and I think from memory, I logged onto the forum
Speaker 1: later that day, the group that I was a part of,
Speaker 1: and spoke to that moderator and he said some cryptic
Speaker 1: shit about you know, you know, how did you sleep
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, which could have been just innocuous coincidence.
Speaker 9: But at the time, like you didn't say anything about it.
Speaker 1: I think I had. I might have had a conversation
Speaker 1: with him about it, but it was it was one
Speaker 1: of those things too where you never wanted to like,
Speaker 1: you never wanted them to think that you were going crazy,
Speaker 1: because if they thought you were going crazy and you
Speaker 1: were like getting in way over your head, you were
Speaker 1: also going to get the boot, like if you were
Speaker 1: too crazy. So you had to kind of play it gingerly.
Speaker 1: And I think I, you know, I'm sure we had
Speaker 1: it back and forth about it where he said some
Speaker 1: cryptic shit and I read into it and was secretly panicking,
Speaker 1: but I was just like, oh, yeah, it's looked fine.
Speaker 1: Why do you ask, you.
Speaker 9: Know, right, he's basically saying like like cryptic shit like
Speaker 9: nice Pj's last night, or right right, I hear you.
Speaker 1: Say you're sleep bitch like whatever.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just have to say,
Speaker 9: for me, if I experienced something like that, whether it
Speaker 9: was related to the form or not, I would perceive
Speaker 9: that it was, and also it would make me feel
Speaker 9: like it was more real than ever. I don't know,
Speaker 9: you know, because you were awfully young when you were
Speaker 9: involved with this, and I know how I was at
Speaker 9: that age, and I feel like that would have been
Speaker 9: proof to me that these are this is like real
Speaker 9: and I'm really involved with something here. And yeah, I
Speaker 9: can see how you got wrapped in that, because damn
Speaker 9: is all I got to say about that.
Speaker 6: Did they try and like encourage you to have because
Speaker 6: in the other interview I did, he spoke a lot
Speaker 6: about dreams but also dream sexually connecting, and I would assume,
Speaker 6: I mean, like, if they're in this group and they're
Speaker 6: trying to harness energy, that's.
Speaker 7: Like a really good way to do it.
Speaker 5: That aspect.
Speaker 1: Sorry, et in the room. Yeah, yes, it was. Again,
Speaker 1: it was one of those weird things where that was
Speaker 1: a topic that was definitely broached. It was also because
Speaker 1: it was also like still in a weird sense role play,
Speaker 1: Like it was still you know, these these people are
Speaker 1: these characters, and even though we really believe that they
Speaker 1: are these characters. We had a chat room, you know,
Speaker 1: a group chat room, and people would go in and
Speaker 1: like write little scenes together. We had this whole thing
Speaker 1: where there was like a graveyard that we would all
Speaker 1: go hang out in and write these little stories together.
Speaker 1: And multiple times over the history of my involvement with
Speaker 1: this group, various different members had you know, like cyber
Speaker 1: sax with the moderators and things like that, and there
Speaker 1: definitely were conversations about Oh, I'm going to come visit
Speaker 1: you in your dreams. Nudge nudgewinkquink. You know, never really
Speaker 1: happened to me. Interestingly, I think I was way too
Speaker 1: crazy pants and they were just like, oh, let's not
Speaker 1: give her any more fuel for that fire. She believes enough,
Speaker 1: she's enough of a loose canon without us adding that
Speaker 1: to the mix. But one of the things that did
Speaker 1: occur in the in the group, which in rent I
Speaker 1: mean it could never happen today, like somebody's parents would
Speaker 1: be filing in lawsuit. There were kids were like thirteen
Speaker 1: and fourteen who these people were having these like cyber
Speaker 1: sex relationships with you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: Every cult's a sex cult.
Speaker 1: It's inevitable.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, fourteen was the age right for Joseph too,
Speaker 6: so I mean, but really, honestly, if they're practicing a
Speaker 6: cult magic, then they're they're going to know that, you know,
Speaker 6: especially if it's virginal hate to be weird.
Speaker 7: That's some powerful magic, you know what.
Speaker 9: I seen year old vamp sex.
Speaker 1: Right right, That's that's the that's the business that's going
Speaker 1: to make you young forever in one way or another,
Speaker 1: more imprisoned forever, you know if it we're twenty twenty five, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well that's why I had wanted to do it. I
Speaker 5: wanted to bring it up because I thought I could
Speaker 5: have been part of you know, like JJ was even
Speaker 5: trying to this before, like what's what's their means? What
Speaker 5: are they getting out of this? I was wondering if
Speaker 5: there was some sort of yeah, if there was even
Speaker 5: just a hate saying it's just like LARPers, who are
Speaker 5: even just trying to get some online ass, you know, because.
Speaker 9: Yeah, send me a picture because.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking you're already.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: We've been talking about vampire cult here on the cult
Speaker 8: rejects across the United States, Mexico and now some Australia stuff.
Speaker 8: So is this the question we ask every other time
Speaker 8: is what's the is this like Australian mk ultro situations
Speaker 8: connected to this.
Speaker 4: Because that's what it seems like with the American Mexican versions.
Speaker 5: That is true. I forgot that we have covered those vampire.
Speaker 4: We talked a lot of vampire stuff somewhat unrelated.
Speaker 8: He played a vampire, but he then finds that money
Speaker 8: to finance the sex cult stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean everybody in this group. I was one
Speaker 1: of the only Australian people, so everybody else was the
Speaker 1: US base. Even kulture thing is interesting. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't really believe this I will have yet, but like
Speaker 1: in my in my decade plus to like ruminate on
Speaker 1: all the experiences and just let my galaxy brain like
Speaker 1: ponder possibilities. There have been moments where I've been like
Speaker 1: this psyop, like was this some sort of like government
Speaker 1: like CIA psychic recruitment technique? And then I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you need to I don't even smoke weed, but if
Speaker 1: I did, like, you need to stop, you need to
Speaker 1: put it down. That's a little too kooky. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is that the universe and the
Speaker 1: world and the Internet for sure are much weirder than
Speaker 1: we think they are.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 9: But I think you're on the right track because I
Speaker 9: think they set up these forums and stuff. Not saying
Speaker 9: anything about you because obviously you're a lovely person. Oh no,
Speaker 9: of course, I think you look for levels of psychopathy
Speaker 9: and people. I think the QAnon thing should prove that
Speaker 9: to everyone. They weaponize these forums, They get into people's heads,
Speaker 9: they get them believe in stuff. They see what levels
Speaker 9: they can push you to act out in reality, and
Speaker 9: so yeah, I mean I think you were part of one,
Speaker 9: but I think there's many, many, many diverse, different ones
Speaker 9: you can become a part of. And they look for
Speaker 9: like people with levels of psychopathy that they can control
Speaker 9: and manipulate and essentially, you know, have them do things.
Speaker 1: I think you hit the name.
Speaker 4: I think they just want to study these study human behavior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you put brought up the QAnon thing though.
Speaker 1: That's why I have a one of my best friends
Speaker 1: is a just got her PhD. And she's working in
Speaker 1: a research capacity, or was until very recently for reasons.
Speaker 1: But she's working on research to do with online extremism
Speaker 1: and you know how groups online can become a little
Speaker 1: dangerous for various reasons. She's been reading school shooter manifestos
Speaker 1: for the best better part of five years, and she's
Speaker 1: very tired and very sad, as you can imagine. But
Speaker 1: over the last seat week we were talking about this.
Speaker 1: She's known about this part of my history for years,
Speaker 1: but she was like, you really need to read this
Speaker 1: book by this woman who just published a nonfiction book
Speaker 1: about QAnon. And the book's called The Quiet Damage by
Speaker 1: Jesslin Cook. It's really really, really good. Highly recommend everybody
Speaker 1: read it. But it talks about what it looks like
Speaker 1: for regular people to get entangled in things like this,
Speaker 1: entangled into communities and into belief systems that do completely
Speaker 1: change their outlook on life, but also have these overatching consequences,
Speaker 1: not just for their immediate families and their social groups,
Speaker 1: but for you know, possibly the country, the world. And
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's much more common when
Speaker 1: we think, and honest, the example that people point to
Speaker 1: was the real like oh boy, like that's the crazy
Speaker 1: the crazies, right, But there's a lot of groups like.
Speaker 9: That, and I was gonna say there was like varying
Speaker 9: degrees of it. There's somebody who's been in our chat
Speaker 9: the last couple of minutes. His name is Drew, and
Speaker 9: I actually did a show with him before and we
Speaker 9: talked about the Hoover Dam and there was a guy
Speaker 9: who got obsessed with QAnon and he got in his
Speaker 9: car and drove it to the Hoover Dam and was
Speaker 9: going to try to blow it up or something like that.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. People get
Speaker 9: obsessed with these things. But I have to say, though,
Speaker 9: do you remember when my Space came out? All right,
Speaker 9: that was like the thing to do before Facebook, and
Speaker 9: you had like your top five friends or whatever. Put
Speaker 9: me you put a little.
Speaker 1: On yourn if you took someone out of your top five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a little better.
Speaker 9: Yes. I mean I was so into my Space when
Speaker 9: it first came out, and I didn't catfish. The movie
Speaker 9: had not come out yet, and there were several times
Speaker 9: I was catfished. And when I look back on it,
Speaker 9: these profiles, they'd have like five pictures and they were
Speaker 9: all like, you know, like supermodel edited, like hot emo guys,
Speaker 9: because that was like my generation was like emo guys.
Speaker 9: And they all had on like Sleeping with Sirens t
Speaker 9: shirts and they just were like the perfect Like, oh
Speaker 9: my god, I was so obsessed. Easily I could have
Speaker 9: been lured to the mall, kidnapped, raped, thrown, in a
Speaker 9: van dead by the river. It would have been so
Speaker 9: easy because nobody thought about that stuff back then, like, oh,
Speaker 9: this can't be a real person. Let me do some
Speaker 9: FBI type shit and find out, like, you know, and
Speaker 9: look at this. It just wasn't nowadays. I think everybody's
Speaker 9: a freaking sci op person. I don't even trust my
Speaker 9: family members anymore. But like, it's just your right thing
Speaker 9: back then, and it.
Speaker 1: Was harder to even like even if you had thought
Speaker 1: to yourself this, like, you know, xx my wrist slit.
Speaker 1: XX boy looks a little sketchy. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's real or not. Like, even if that had crossed
Speaker 1: your mind, the tools to sleuth it out were not there. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it is now. You have like you know,
Speaker 1: your little AI Facebook up sites where you can upload
Speaker 1: someone's picture and be like, exactly where else on the
Speaker 1: Internet this person has been, you know, yeah.
Speaker 9: Like a Google image search of that person's profile pick
Speaker 9: and then they turn up to be like somebody else.
Speaker 9: I mean that's how that catfish lady got away with
Speaker 9: it for so long, because she would take like pictures
Speaker 9: from Google or other people's facebooks and like upload them
Speaker 9: and dude, she had a whole network worked out. But
Speaker 9: social media and these forums and stuff and themselves, I
Speaker 9: think we're very They were created by design, obviously for
Speaker 9: some type of outcome, and I think that they've been
Speaker 9: working perfectly for whatever. That is.
Speaker 5: Something I wanted to ask, and I actually mean this seriously.
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to get an that's what's going on here?
Speaker 5: Or how far does this go besides vampires in this thing?
Speaker 5: Did they entertain other things that were maybe like you know,
Speaker 5: fairies and gnomes or like, I'm being serious, but no,
Speaker 5: I take.
Speaker 1: It in real life? Who think gnomes are real?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, but I'm just you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's fine, Yeah, no, not really. I mean I think
Speaker 1: that there was some We definitely had like a paranormal
Speaker 1: board on the forum. I mean for anyone who's listening,
Speaker 1: and you guys will will know, but for anyone who's
Speaker 1: listening is like forums boards, but you know, like you
Speaker 1: had your main forum, but then you had your sub
Speaker 1: boards kind of like in a discord stare for like
Speaker 1: different stuff. And there was definitely like a paranormal board
Speaker 1: where people would talk about ghosts were a big thing,
Speaker 1: like ghost, spirits, apparitions, stuff like that. And I think
Speaker 1: if anyone ever came across like an interesting story about
Speaker 1: an encounter with something else like an alien or a
Speaker 1: gnome or whatever, I'm sure we would talk about it.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't so much part of the world, you know,
Speaker 1: what they were building and trying to really push on people.
Speaker 5: So it was like really just strictly I guess what
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get out was like there was in
Speaker 5: like other forums for other things that it was just
Speaker 5: strictly really that vampire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like vampires all day, every day, okay,
Speaker 1: or mostly all night because you know there's.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Jin said something about a PDF of Buddhism for vampires.
Speaker 9: What is that?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 10: So he was a guy that the guy who runs it,
Speaker 10: he was a very famous Typhoni and OTO member, and
Speaker 10: he he did train I don't know how extensively.
Speaker 2: He doesn't say that's usually how it goes, but he did.
Speaker 10: He has some kind of initiation into some basic Vagoriana practices.
Speaker 10: So then he created like a whole system of psychic vampirism.
Speaker 10: He called it Buddhism for vampires because, as I said,
Speaker 10: we do discuss like very carnal ground.
Speaker 2: Kinds of ideas.
Speaker 10: So yeah, I mean there, but it is it is
Speaker 10: like Celestin Nick we're talking about.
Speaker 2: It is typhony and oto.
Speaker 10: But then it's also there are Vagriana things there are
Speaker 10: maybe like a kind of that like superficial I'm using
Speaker 10: the word in a more occultist way, but more of
Speaker 10: a Satanic.
Speaker 2: You know, flavor.
Speaker 10: But it's not it's not really like crazy Satanism. It's
Speaker 10: more just the aesthetic maybe like maybe a goth aesthetic.
Speaker 2: So that's really what Buddhism for vampires is.
Speaker 10: But even if you look at the logo for it,
Speaker 10: it is just the seven seven seven thing, like the
Speaker 10: telemus are.
Speaker 2: That's all is. But they just they made they gave.
Speaker 10: It like a Buddhist Flairsonian.
Speaker 1: Mean, Jin will be better at explaining that than me,
Speaker 1: because I'm a I'm only a peripheral oh geo nowhere.
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I'm I'm honestly my background is more
Speaker 10: like you sluss in a way, because like I came
Speaker 10: from a left time path Catholicism kind of like I
Speaker 10: was really into grimoires and like you know, leftown path
Speaker 10: saints and all that stuff as everybody.
Speaker 1: Already like Cyprian and stuff.
Speaker 10: Yeah, like Cyprian, and there's other ones. There's like saying
Speaker 10: Lucy obviously, Saint Peter all those, Yeah, also left Time Path.
Speaker 10: So it depends, right, But uh so Typhony and at Well,
Speaker 10: I'm familiar with Kenneth Grant, so I'll explain it like this,
Speaker 10: Julia is Kenneth Grant. He basically wrote a series of
Speaker 10: parafictional books just like we were I mentioned before, or
Speaker 10: so his books are half fiction half oto material, but
Speaker 10: he takes it in a Lovecraftian way. Well, there's really
Speaker 10: two factions. There's a love Craftian faction, and you can
Speaker 10: see this with Temple of Set, like I really like
Speaker 10: Don web Don Webb also Temple Set, but he became
Speaker 10: a Buddhist afterwards, interestingly, But he wrote a lot of
Speaker 10: these kind of books on a Lovecraft and how they
Speaker 10: were using this idea of Lovecraft in their.
Speaker 2: Magic, and how Aquino was so into it.
Speaker 10: But then there's this other faction that is into Conan,
Speaker 10: the Barbarian and the Hyperborean stories. I do, so there
Speaker 10: was a kind of factional divide. I just find that
Speaker 10: very interesting. But basically he's talking about like abistle gods
Speaker 10: and the Mavre, and he calls it the Gray Lodge.
Speaker 10: I also have a thing called the Gray Lodge. It's
Speaker 10: not related, but it is interesting that we both have
Speaker 10: the same title. But basically, he's he's bringing these ideas
Speaker 10: that not necessarily come from mythology, are not necessarily come
Speaker 10: from excuse me, like a religious cosmology, but he's drawing
Speaker 10: from this kind of fictional mythology that's contemporary, and they're
Speaker 10: bringing it into actual magical ideas, not just the facts
Speaker 10: of the fiction, but they're actually applying like more technical ideas,
Speaker 10: and then they're slatting in the names.
Speaker 2: The faces, the aesthetic, it's all of it.
Speaker 9: And so could you do that with anything?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 9: Could you do that with like vampires and put them
Speaker 9: in there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, Okay, that's what pass magicians magic.
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, chass magic with typhony and
Speaker 6: sex magic to the goddess.
Speaker 5: That's another reason why I asked about the sigils as well.
Speaker 5: There I'm just saying a lot of chaos magicians and
Speaker 5: love sigils. So that's why I was asking if people
Speaker 5: are using some.
Speaker 9: J of knowledge.
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 1: That was an awesome awesome explanation. I've always been fascinated
Speaker 1: by the Tifoni and OTO. I mean, I love Lovecraft,
Speaker 1: and even though I have not now and will not
Speaker 1: ever join the OTO in any capacity for personal reasons,
Speaker 1: I am fascinated, you know by that. I think there's
Speaker 1: it's such rich fodder, Like stories are rich fodder, right,
Speaker 1: especially if you get a rich mythology like love crafty
Speaker 1: and mythology or I mean, I am only possibly familiar
Speaker 1: with Conan the Barbarian, but you're kind of you're taking
Speaker 1: an intellectual property or a world or a mythology that
Speaker 1: already has all the interlocking parts, but also an engine
Speaker 1: of people who have fed into it, even though most
Speaker 1: people are not reading HP. Love Croft's work and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's all definitely real. It's it's energy behind it from
Speaker 1: people for you know, well not hundreds of years, but
Speaker 1: people for like a very long time reading and investing
Speaker 1: and being interested. And that's energy. That's energy that they
Speaker 1: was a little battery.
Speaker 9: They made a show about it, right, my am. I
Speaker 9: the only one who saw that. It was like HB.
Speaker 9: Love Craft Show.
Speaker 3: County.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it, but I heard it was.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I saw the first season, and it's everything
Speaker 9: you would expect it to be. But yeah, no, this stuff,
Speaker 9: this stuff really interests me because you know, I talk
Speaker 9: a lot about occultism and stuff like that, but I
Speaker 9: don't I don't know the ins and outs of it,
Speaker 9: like you know, Gin or even Celeste or Nick. I
Speaker 9: just I know that peripheral. If I want to know
Speaker 9: something about the process church, I'll ask you a j.
Speaker 4: That I do know. There you go, I can tell
Speaker 4: I can help you with that that as well.
Speaker 8: But one thing I did know about the Typhony and
Speaker 8: Oto is they have further offshoots.
Speaker 4: There are these werewolf and vampire orders.
Speaker 1: I believe interesting interesting.
Speaker 10: One thing I want to I just want to deny
Speaker 10: any rumors that I'm associated with any of this. I
Speaker 10: really come from it from a chaos magic perspective. That's
Speaker 10: really my interest, Julia, is that I like the lifting
Speaker 10: of frameworks like that. You can take just the magic
Speaker 10: framework and you can sort of apply ideas to it,
Speaker 10: but I take it all conceptual. So that's a true
Speaker 10: chaos magic. Maybe you could say true chaos magician. You
Speaker 10: just take it comes completely in your mind. And so
Speaker 10: Buddhism makes it's like the next logical step if you're
Speaker 10: able to do that. Whereas some people they require all
Speaker 10: this I Nick will laugh, but I call it like
Speaker 10: the ceremonial LARPing, like they you know, they require the
Speaker 10: ren fare. I'm not saying that it's I'm not saying
Speaker 10: that you don't burn candles and do all that stuff.
Speaker 10: That can be useful for sure, But I'm just saying
Speaker 10: if you need like a whole ritual like thing, then yeah,
Speaker 10: maybe you would be more interested in like Typhoni and ounce.
Speaker 10: I'm just interested in the ideas.
Speaker 9: The ritualism interests me because I remember one time I
Speaker 9: was talking to Nick and he made me laugh my
Speaker 9: fucking ass off because he said he was doing something
Speaker 9: in his bedroom with swinging some incense or doing something,
Speaker 9: and his wife walked in and was like, what are
Speaker 9: you doing? The Catholic rise. Yeah, literally, it's the Catholicism
Speaker 9: has a lot of that ritualism in it. It just
Speaker 9: it interests me about that.
Speaker 5: So one thing I did want to mention about the
Speaker 5: Typhonian order. If you're like into like the Limaic magic
Speaker 5: or even Golden Down or a lot of like I
Speaker 5: would even assume maybe even the temple is set I
Speaker 5: don't you know stuff like that. At least with Alma,
Speaker 5: you're going to be practicing like the Hexagram ritual, in
Speaker 5: the Pentagram ritual probably for a long time. You know,
Speaker 5: that's gonna be like, you know, something that you were
Speaker 5: used to doing constantly. And in the Hexagram ritual you
Speaker 5: use the LVX formula, and in there at some point
Speaker 5: you acknowledge purfos in Typhon. And the weird thing is
Speaker 5: that the whole LVX formula is Egyptian. That's why it
Speaker 5: uses a pofos. But then twas is in the Greek
Speaker 5: Pophus having Typhon, you know, and that's kind of like
Speaker 5: the rising beast in my opinion. You that's where I
Speaker 5: think it's symbolizing you. You even go like that when
Speaker 5: you when you acknowledge a purfis in Typhon. So I
Speaker 5: have wondered if I do think that when it comes
Speaker 5: to the typhony in order, maybe at the beginning it
Speaker 5: was more for people that he thought that might have
Speaker 5: like had experienced maybe like actual magical experiences or the abyss.
Speaker 5: I could be wrong, But another reason why I do
Speaker 5: think that might be possible is because when it first
Speaker 5: started I don't know if it's still like this. He
Speaker 5: took the same like pretty much adopted the same oto
Speaker 5: initiations or degrees. But you do not have to set
Speaker 5: off at the first if you if you didn't think
Speaker 5: you belonged to So now, if you did have a
Speaker 5: magical experience, and in my opinion, you did cross the abyss,
Speaker 5: you shouldn't be coming in starting a fucking first. You
Speaker 5: should be coming in where you belong. So I'm wondering
Speaker 5: if that is just more proof of why. I do
Speaker 5: think that that might be the difference between that order
Speaker 5: as well, Like I don't think. I think maybe at
Speaker 5: exception he wasn't so much trying to have people come
Speaker 5: there that I don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Speaker 9: That makes sense, Like newbies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, are people who don't actually know what magic.
Speaker 1: Didn't want?
Speaker 9: Doesn't it take a while to really understand what it is,
Speaker 9: because I mean there's so many Actually I have a
Speaker 9: question for youse list and you're the first witch I've
Speaker 9: ever met, so don't judge me. I did being a
Speaker 9: part of this cult? Did it lead you into those interests?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 9: Did it lead you found the thought of like I
Speaker 9: want to do witchery stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: Not really. I have a weird like story with how
Speaker 1: that part of my life like kicked off, And it
Speaker 1: sounds like very cringe almost to tell it, but like literally,
Speaker 1: when I was like six and seven years old, I
Speaker 1: was like pretending to be a fortune teller, like in
Speaker 1: my like little like hut in the garden, and like
Speaker 1: I was just always extremely drawn to that stuff, reading
Speaker 1: a lot of like kids books, but reading books about
Speaker 1: witches and stuff when I was like very little. So
Speaker 1: I don't know where that comes from for me. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of kids have spooky interests, but for me,
Speaker 1: it really was like lifelong and it just evolved over
Speaker 1: time into researching and learning about more serious stuff and
Speaker 1: beginning when I was wickaned primarily when I was a
Speaker 1: teenager because much like Fan pass By having a booms,
Speaker 1: so we're witches because of the craft and stufah, I was.
Speaker 9: Gonna see, I wonder did those two things kind of
Speaker 9: like ran together, Like maybe the interest in the cult
Speaker 9: kind of fueled your other interests.
Speaker 1: It definitely few it definitely like fueled it to some degree.
Speaker 1: It existed beforehand, but it definitely kind of it introduced
Speaker 1: me to a lot of occult topics that I probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have found otherwise until much later, stuff like to
Speaker 1: Betan Buddhism and the mysticism into Betan Buddhism. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't probably have encountered that on my own until
Speaker 1: much much later if I hadn't been in the cult.
Speaker 1: So it springboarded me into more serious occultism at like
Speaker 1: a young age. But I think I would always have
Speaker 1: found that to be like a path that I would
Speaker 1: have gone down. It just it took it in a
Speaker 1: in an interesting direction at an earlier age, I think.
Speaker 9: And you do it professionally, you said, for like the
Speaker 9: last seven or eight years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I have done like magic and psychic stuff
Speaker 1: for work since I was about nineteen, but very like
Speaker 1: part time. I sat it as an online psychic as
Speaker 1: a part time job when I was about nineteen, from
Speaker 1: a psych called Cassamba, which still exists. I do not
Speaker 1: work for them anymore because they would not pay me enough.
Speaker 1: But I did that, you know, as a side hustle
Speaker 1: all through college, and you know, continued to do such
Speaker 1: things as a side hustle for a long time. And
Speaker 1: then in about twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, maybe I was
Speaker 1: very very unhappy in my marketing job, my full time
Speaker 1: marketing job for a retro clothing company, and I kind
Speaker 1: of rage quit to just do it full time. I
Speaker 1: worked for a while out in Jackson Square in the
Speaker 1: French Quarter as the one of the little Terror readers
Speaker 1: set up at a lot cool going out there. It
Speaker 1: was cool except people got stabbed a lot, and that
Speaker 1: wasn't so cool.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I had no shit, you know.
Speaker 1: I was not a fan of that. So after a
Speaker 1: little while out there, I got a job at some
Speaker 1: of the little stores in the French Quarter, just reading
Speaker 1: cards and stuff, and worked for a while at the
Speaker 1: Vampire Boutique in the French Quarter, which is another interesting
Speaker 1: kind of like intersection of vampires coming back into the story.
Speaker 1: And then I got my own store in the French
Speaker 1: Quarter in twenty twenty, like right at the beginning of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I signed this lease on my own storefront,
Speaker 1: which you know, in Tara Reader New Orleans terms, is
Speaker 1: like you've hit the big, the big big if you're
Speaker 1: getting your own shop, you know. So I was super
Speaker 1: stroked about that. I was in business with a friend
Speaker 1: of mine. We decorated the whole place super excited, and
Speaker 1: then COVID lockdowns happened, I was gonna say yeah, And
Speaker 1: so for me though, actually it was a lifesaver because
Speaker 1: I actually hate talking to people face to face. Like
Speaker 1: I'm a very low energy person. As far as like
Speaker 1: being one on one in person with people, I don't.
Speaker 1: I love the Internet. I love talking online and phone
Speaker 1: and all of that, but it drains me very quickly
Speaker 1: having to be like face.
Speaker 9: Time with people face.
Speaker 1: So I was already kind of almost wishing I hadn't
Speaker 1: signed this lease because I was like, oh God, am
Speaker 1: I going to do this for sixty hours a week
Speaker 1: for like the rest of my life, just go down
Speaker 1: to the French Quarter and have to find parking and
Speaker 1: deal with people? Oh uh? And then yeah, the lockdown's happened.
Speaker 1: I was very lucky. The person I was renting from
Speaker 1: said that it was cool, we would just cancel the lease,
Speaker 1: and I pivoted everything online. And so for the past
Speaker 1: five years full time, I've just been I do spell
Speaker 1: work for people, I do readings, I do truants like
Speaker 1: mediumship sessions and stuff like that.
Speaker 9: What is spell What's spell work?
Speaker 1: Pretty much what it sounds like? So you know, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're a magical practitioner or an occultist, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: they're going to people are going to call it different
Speaker 1: things depending on what they practice and what their path is.
Speaker 1: More ceremonial magicians are probably going to call it rituals
Speaker 1: rather than spell work, which sounds kind of like shinzy.
Speaker 1: You know, we can do a little spell work with
Speaker 1: our little jars and our little candles. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's essentially, it's a rich or a spell that
Speaker 1: is done with various different materials in order to impact
Speaker 1: or affect a desired outcome. And so if you learn
Speaker 1: witchcraft or magic, or you know, you've become initiated into
Speaker 1: any of the initiatory traditions, you're going to learn how
Speaker 1: to do it in a certain way. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: anyone can learn. As Nick was saying earlier, I don't
Speaker 1: think that means everybody on the planet is going to
Speaker 1: experience real magic, because that does take years of study
Speaker 1: and sometimes it just takes circumstance and kismet whether or
Speaker 1: not you're going to have that experience or not. But
Speaker 1: in theory, you don't have to be special in any
Speaker 1: way to learn how to do magic. Anyone can learn
Speaker 1: how to do magic. However, for my clients, a lot
Speaker 1: of them don't want to do that. They would rather
Speaker 1: just pay somebody else to do it, and so I
Speaker 1: do it for them.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Interesting, that's so interesting. Have you ever had anybody be like,
Speaker 9: I want this person dead or do something bad to
Speaker 9: this Yeah, I'm not serious that. Oh, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 4: What's the curse environment situation here? For example? What's your
Speaker 4: opinion of haunted dolls curses?
Speaker 1: Oh, I think haunted dolls exist, but I have a
Speaker 1: I guess a quirky opinion on haunted dolls I think exists.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone here has read the work
Speaker 1: of Oh my god, what is her name? I'm going
Speaker 1: to forget now. She wrote the Exorcists Handbook. Her name
Speaker 1: is Josephine something, but I'm now McCarthy like real stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Josephine McCarthy isn' occultist from the UK. She's fascinating lady,
Speaker 1: and she really knows her shit. And she worked as
Speaker 1: a as a straight up exorcist, not in the Catholic tradition.
Speaker 1: She's not Catholic, but she worked as like an exorcist
Speaker 1: for years and years and years, and she has an
Speaker 1: interesting theory about like haunted objects, haunted dolls. She says
Speaker 1: that in her experience professionally over like thirty plus years
Speaker 1: of doing exorcism, anything with a face is something that
Speaker 1: a spirit is going to.
Speaker 9: Why does that give me the fucking creeps?
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I was hoping you're gonna say that
Speaker 8: they don't exist, That's what I was hoping.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, I think I've never met one personally,
Speaker 1: but I do think they're real.
Speaker 9: Like Annabelle, I've met a doll?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 9: You did?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that that's Chucky West?
Speaker 4: Yeah, down down in the Key West, in Key West.
Speaker 1: I've seen him too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're they're dangerous folks down there. You don't put
Speaker 8: a hanted doll in a civil war for it, or
Speaker 8: some historian buff such as myself might stumble across it.
Speaker 8: No bad photograph. We didn't get cursed for about ten
Speaker 8: or twelve years, did you really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Ye can happen. I do, And I think you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: depending on your worldview, right, spirits are everywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: They're not They're not special and only hiding and these
Speaker 1: like very specific areas fing you up. Spirits are all
Speaker 1: over the place. I last night, so I lived with
Speaker 1: another occultist. My my roommate is for more Mormon now
Speaker 1: an occultist. Lovely guy.
Speaker 9: Oh so transition from one transition.
Speaker 1: To he's amazing. But I was. When I came out
Speaker 1: of my room last night into the kitchen, I was
Speaker 1: just going to get water or something, and he's in
Speaker 1: the kitchen also when he pulls me aside and he
Speaker 1: was like, I just need to tell you that. When
Speaker 1: I was coming in here earlier, I glanced into the
Speaker 1: living room and I thought I saw you sitting in
Speaker 1: a chair with your hand, with your hands over your eyes.
Speaker 1: And then I looked again and realized it wasn't you.
Speaker 1: I just think you should know. And I said, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's good intel to have. I said, how did it feel?
Speaker 1: He said wet? I said wet. He was like, it
Speaker 1: felt wet. I didn't like it. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's not great. I said, well, what are you going?
Speaker 1: What are we going to do about this? You know,
Speaker 1: we're instantly in occult roommate problem solving mode because neither
Speaker 1: one of us has time for that shit. We're not
Speaker 1: really scared. We're just like, h no. And so he
Speaker 1: goes and gets some of his his his cleansing cologne
Speaker 1: and sprints is it over the chair in the living room.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to think to myself, like, this is spirit.
Speaker 1: I've lived in this house for almost eight years and
Speaker 1: I don't really experience any you know, problematic spirit activity
Speaker 1: for the most part, So what could this be? And
Speaker 1: then I said, I said to my room and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's interesting you say wet. I said,
Speaker 1: when I first moved in here, I did distinctly get
Speaker 1: the impression that somebody had died in the bathtub in
Speaker 1: like the in the bathroom in the hallway. And he
Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, And I said, yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: but I've never had any problem with that spirit. Like
Speaker 1: I just said to her. You know, I'm a little crazy,
Speaker 1: so if I think there's a spirit around, I'll be like, hi,
Speaker 1: I need to do things. Please don't disrupt my life. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, me and that spirit are cool, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be causing problems. And then
Speaker 1: I remembered that the night before I had taken a
Speaker 1: bath in that bathroom where this woman I think drowned,
Speaker 1: and I had forgotten to drain the bathtub. Like I
Speaker 1: had been on the phone with someone and I didn't
Speaker 1: want them to know I was in the bath, So
Speaker 1: like I got out of the bath and just like
Speaker 1: kept the stopper in so I didn't have the water
Speaker 1: gurgling sound. And I had left the bath full for
Speaker 1: the entire day. And I was like, Oh, that's it.
Speaker 1: The spirit's pissed like this, she cut.
Speaker 9: Out, She cut out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she did say that she was having a
Speaker 5: bad weather there so that this might have happened.
Speaker 9: It's the magic, the spirit, it's.
Speaker 6: The water bathtub portal sucked her back in because I'm
Speaker 6: not kidding the spirit's.
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask more questions about Joseph McCarthy another.
Speaker 9: Question, Come yeah, JJ, are you really cursed?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: And nick I wrote him a letter a couple couple
Speaker 8: of months ago. Robert the Doll, that is, wrote him
Speaker 8: a letter. Let me tell you, Julie, I can feel
Speaker 8: I can fill a long, long discussion. In the last
Speaker 8: twelve or so years, have been cursed by that damn
Speaker 8: Robert the Doll.
Speaker 4: They were talking about him on the Rejects last year.
Speaker 8: I'm out I'm out, I'm leaving this place. I'm not
Speaker 8: even going to one near this thing, and you're talking.
Speaker 7: What you do to it? You had to make it mad,
Speaker 7: did you?
Speaker 4: I took a photograph with it without asking him.
Speaker 8: Apparently you got to ask him first, And at the time,
Speaker 8: I was like, Yeah, that's ridiculous. I'm not I'm going
Speaker 8: to ask this a stupid doll. I can take a photograph.
Speaker 6: I hear what well, looking now, JJ looking out.
Speaker 4: Like this thing might be onto something here. I might
Speaker 4: be cursed.
Speaker 9: Before you took the picture, but.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 8: So like every year around it, like December first, about
Speaker 8: every year, I'd start considering. After about year five or so,
Speaker 8: I'd start considering, damn it, did that doll curse me?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 8: And then around the year twelve, I was like, I'm
Speaker 8: gonna finally write that doll letter and say I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope.
Speaker 9: But imagine how that went.
Speaker 8: I don't think, well, I hope it hasn't gone well
Speaker 8: since then. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 6: It's uh, you're gonna have to go back there, Yeah,
Speaker 6: face to face apology.
Speaker 10: We need to find the current Darrow who can deal
Speaker 10: with it for you, like in person.
Speaker 7: That's what's up.
Speaker 2: Then you need to go to like the doll and
Speaker 2: you have to like give him like a seven day.
Speaker 7: Candle or something the homage it. Yeah, I'm still.
Speaker 8: Writ in the Chamber of Commerce to tell them they're
Speaker 8: irresponsible for putting a haunted Kerstell out in public like
Speaker 8: that flagrantly.
Speaker 9: You need an exorcism, you need like you need, like
Speaker 9: the power of Christ compels you like that.
Speaker 7: I think we should have Jonathan do it. From the cults.
Speaker 7: Let him know, Lord have mercy.
Speaker 9: Jim though, you need to get tied down, prayed with
Speaker 9: p sue it, do all of it.
Speaker 6: You have to get naked because half the time they
Speaker 6: get naked, they rip their clothes off, you know.
Speaker 9: Oh sure, yeah, piss and ship everywhere or else desertate.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure what this is, but I'm not the
Speaker 8: first person to be cursed by Robert the Doll. The
Speaker 8: whole room that he sits in down there at this
Speaker 8: old Civil War fort where he's they've been into a
Speaker 8: museum of Robert for some reason. It sits on a
Speaker 8: mound by the.
Speaker 7: Way to curse people. By the way, to curse.
Speaker 8: Exactly, exactly intentionally. There's flagrant irresponsibles. They put him what's that?
Speaker 9: They put him on a mound, the.
Speaker 8: Well, the Civil War fort was built on top of
Speaker 8: a mound. He's inside the Civil Wars.
Speaker 7: Ah, she's back.
Speaker 9: Oh gosh, your bag.
Speaker 1: God damn it.
Speaker 9: I had at least three more.
Speaker 6: We were talking about ghosts while you were gone to
Speaker 6: but I definitely say it's because you left the water
Speaker 6: in the tub and that's a portal and you might
Speaker 6: have you know.
Speaker 12: You know one thing I summoned it?
Speaker 5: Can you hear c.
Speaker 1: Lest I can hear you? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes, you sound great?
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry about that.
Speaker 7: That was weird.
Speaker 1: Don't talk shit about gross. I guess this lady was
Speaker 1: pissed at me and she was like, let's shut the
Speaker 1: whole shit down, like stop saying words about me.
Speaker 5: Denied. One thing I did want to ask you about.
Speaker 5: Uh you mentioned josephin McCarthy. Did you know about her
Speaker 5: her magical Order?
Speaker 1: I heard about it. I don't know a ton about it,
Speaker 1: but I did hear about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually, uh you know, I do
Speaker 5: you know I've talked about before. I think I've even
Speaker 5: mentioned it once or twice. But you know, I have
Speaker 5: talked about tons of times that I was in the
Speaker 5: OTO and I had stopped going for a bit before
Speaker 5: COVID happened, and then I started joining in on the
Speaker 5: zoom things. And when I had stopped going for probably
Speaker 5: about like sixty eight months, I was actually using that
Speaker 5: system instead. Oh really, So when you said that was.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, did you find it? You found it to
Speaker 1: be a good workable system.
Speaker 5: I think. So it's a little bit more personal. You're
Speaker 5: not really from what I as far as I got,
Speaker 5: you're not really working with It's hard to explain like
Speaker 5: Pantheon's like gods. It's actually just very personal stuff. So
Speaker 5: that's interesting. I mean, you are doing ritual work, but
Speaker 5: it's not like I don't remember it wasn't It's it's different.
Speaker 5: It's definitely different.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like her approach a lot. I think she's
Speaker 1: a fascinating person. And if you know, if I'm sure
Speaker 1: you have, but if if anyone ever listens to her talk,
Speaker 1: you know, on podcasts or whatever, she's just a wonderful
Speaker 1: breath of fresh air in the occult world because she's
Speaker 1: a you know, a slight not older woman, but she's
Speaker 1: you know, I think in her fifties, I believe, and
Speaker 1: she's got this like strong Northern England accent. She's just
Speaker 1: like very mad. She's very matter of fact.
Speaker 5: She's like shoots from the hip.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, yeah, you know, yeah, well you know.
Speaker 5: One thing she did say kind of actually helped nudge
Speaker 5: me out of the OTO in a sense too. Uh.
Speaker 5: And it's not that like I'm promoting her stuff because
Speaker 5: again I used, you know, very did very little. She
Speaker 5: even says to go through the whole course expect I
Speaker 5: think seventeenth to twenty years. So obviously I didn't do much.
Speaker 5: But uh, she the way she had put it, and
Speaker 5: it really dawned on me, like really good when she
Speaker 5: said this. One time, I was listening to a podcast
Speaker 5: that she did, and she did say that when you
Speaker 5: go to these orders, they said, all you're gonna do
Speaker 5: is get their their shade of magic. She says, let's
Speaker 5: say the outlet is actual magic, and well you're tapping
Speaker 5: into that, and then it comes to that light bulb.
Speaker 5: She says once like the OTO is like throwing that
Speaker 5: red shade on top of it. That's the OTO. Then
Speaker 5: like let's say, the gold Ones, the Golden don you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, You're not actually really tapping into
Speaker 5: the source, You're just learning to tap into their shade
Speaker 5: of magic. She says, I think it's much better for
Speaker 5: you to just go to the source. And she said
Speaker 5: that's what she thought. It still goes for.
Speaker 2: That's really profound out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when I heard that, I was like, that's interesting,
Speaker 5: I said, because I could see what you know, how
Speaker 5: you because there's there is a specific idea with the
Speaker 5: O T or other orders. They have their own pantheons
Speaker 5: and their own like ideas are almost religious text.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 9: Does this lady do distant exorcisms? Because I think JJ
Speaker 9: needs one.
Speaker 1: I think she's retired now. Unfortunately, I think I wrote.
Speaker 9: About you, Celeste. Do you do any distant exorcisms?
Speaker 1: Most of the magic I do for clients is distance.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: Robert some Robert the Dall Exorcist. You know, you know
Speaker 4: some some players can help me out.
Speaker 1: I feel like we could. I feel like we could
Speaker 1: figure something out. Robert the still bothering you all these
Speaker 1: years later.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't believe, You wouldn't believe the tales if I told.
Speaker 9: You he would he's being totally serious, Nick, Nick heard
Speaker 9: of a portion of what I've gone through over the
Speaker 9: last twelve I.
Speaker 5: Was even gonna say, just in the time that I've
Speaker 5: known him, I could probably say he's probably.
Speaker 7: Your curse.
Speaker 9: He needs to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to hook him up with that Saint
Speaker 2: Cyprian stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there you go. On the case, we'll do it.
Speaker 9: So I have a question for a celest I mean,
Speaker 9: obviously I don't I don't deal in any of this stuff,
Speaker 9: but in your opinion, you know, magic is real, magic works,
Speaker 9: but not everybody knows what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yep, that's okay.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, certain magic like we've talked about before, solomonic
Speaker 6: magic and stuff you got. You can't be messing around
Speaker 6: like you will, yeah, talk about.
Speaker 1: Because because it's very because it is very real, and
Speaker 1: I think, like obviously everybody's going to have their own
Speaker 1: take on that and their own experiences. And like I said,
Speaker 1: my my own partner is extremely suppor sort of what
Speaker 1: I do and interested and wants to hear about it.
Speaker 1: But like he has such a I don't want to
Speaker 1: call it a black and white worldview because that's not fair,
Speaker 1: but it is such a pragmatic worldview that what interests
Speaker 1: him is data. He's like a big data science guy,
Speaker 1: and that's mysticism to him is like data and facts
Speaker 1: and numbers. Stuff that flies over my head right, like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand name that. Yeah, that he's magic.
Speaker 7: Johnny says that numbers are God's language.
Speaker 1: So exactly exactly, so you know, my partner and we
Speaker 1: meet in the middle because he is, whether he wants
Speaker 1: to admit it or not, a very mystical person. He's
Speaker 1: just coming at it from this different angle. But all
Speaker 1: of this to say the question of like, is magic real?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very real to me. And I've seen
Speaker 1: things happen because of magic and as a result of
Speaker 1: magic that I really can't explain otherwise. And I think,
Speaker 1: but I think that some people who engage in the
Speaker 1: occult or dabble I hate to use that word because
Speaker 1: it feels a bit dismissive, but like dabble in witchcraft
Speaker 1: or debt. You know people who see rituals on the
Speaker 1: Internet and they're like, oh, you know, I'll summon this
Speaker 1: solomonic demon that sounds like a fun time. It's not
Speaker 1: a fun time. I do it.
Speaker 9: It doesn't sound like a fun time to me. I mean,
Speaker 9: were you are scared getting into this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been scared so much.
Speaker 9: Oh my god, Oh thank you for being honest. By
Speaker 9: the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's important to talk about. I
Speaker 1: will say when I first got, you know, involved with
Speaker 1: magic and witchcraft, I wasn't scared at all. But then
Speaker 1: early twenty twenty, after I had been doing this already
Speaker 1: for like a long time, I had my ass handed
Speaker 1: to me in a way that was terrifying to the
Speaker 1: point where like, after I came through that experience, I
Speaker 1: was like this close to throwing out all my shit,
Speaker 1: getting rid of all my books and being like that's
Speaker 1: it for me, because that got a little too real.
Speaker 6: I think that you're smarter now because I will say this,
Speaker 6: I'm a nurse as well, like a registered nurse, and
Speaker 6: the most scary thing we ever see as a nurse
Speaker 6: that thinks she knows everything right, and like you're you're
Speaker 6: a better nurse if you don't really know everything and
Speaker 6: you're willing to ask for help.
Speaker 9: So yeah, absolutely, you were like you were like having
Speaker 9: scary like like demons or ghosts or I had.
Speaker 1: An experience with a spirit and I had been you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if it's close to
Speaker 1: what JJ has has been through. But I was having
Speaker 1: some experiences that there was just a little bit too
Speaker 1: many bad things clustering in a short space of time.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm again very much a skeptic. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: bad things happen, you know, sometimes you're just gonna have
Speaker 1: bad day. Your car is going to break down, a
Speaker 1: family member is going to get hurt, like it just
Speaker 1: happens's life. But if too many of those things cluster
Speaker 1: in a small space of time, for me with my worldview,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hmm, okay. And so I had done what
Speaker 1: I usually do in those situations, which was I had,
Speaker 1: you know, done a ritual to just kind of cleanse
Speaker 1: myself in my space and get rid of any ick
Speaker 1: that was floating around. And when I did that, the
Speaker 1: candle I was burning went completely black. It was you know,
Speaker 1: a glass jar candle, and in candle magic candle divination,
Speaker 1: if you're burning something and it goes all the way
Speaker 1: down black soot, that is not a good sign. And
Speaker 1: halfway through it burning down, the candle exploded and then
Speaker 1: nearly burned down the room that I was burning it in.
Speaker 1: So at that point I was like, something's up. That's
Speaker 1: not good, And I talked to a couple of friends
Speaker 1: of mine and some mentors about what could be going on,
Speaker 1: and yeah, let's go rounds with Robert. Will live stream it?
Speaker 9: Please please live stream it. Oh, I want to be
Speaker 9: a part of it. I will sit out too.
Speaker 4: I probably I don't want to go anywhere near that.
Speaker 1: Damn, a ghost just turned off my entire ass computer
Speaker 1: set up. I probably shouldn't be so ballsy like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's take down Robert. But anyway, what happened
Speaker 1: was at that point I asked friends for their thoughts.
Speaker 1: This is something that I will say if anyone is
Speaker 1: a practitioner or they want to be a practitioner, get
Speaker 1: yourself a tight group of occultist friends that you trust,
Speaker 1: who you can turn to if you're having an experience,
Speaker 1: whether it's a dream or weird stuff happening in your life,
Speaker 1: or you think you're seeing a spirit. It's so important
Speaker 1: to be discerning because sometimes it's just you and you're tired,
Speaker 1: and you're paranoid and your head's all fucked up. So
Speaker 1: get people you trust that you can talk to who
Speaker 1: can check for you and just be a little bit
Speaker 1: of a grounding influence. But very sadly in this instance,
Speaker 1: my friend was kind of looking into it for me
Speaker 1: and he said, oh no, there's definitely summons up. There's
Speaker 1: something around you or in your house or you know,
Speaker 1: you got to get rid of it. So he gave
Speaker 1: me his recommendation of what kind of ritual I should
Speaker 1: do to really deal with this thing. And basically it
Speaker 1: was a it's called a spirit trap ritual. We kind
Speaker 1: of my friend's a conjure man, so it was kind
Speaker 1: of in this folk conjure pop gaetia part other. We
Speaker 1: weren't so many any demons to do it, but it
Speaker 1: was sort of a solomonic folk magic ritual to get
Speaker 1: deal with the spirit.
Speaker 5: To say, well, is in solomonic magic you are trying
Speaker 5: to trap a demon into a specific.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're trying to bind bind the spirit. And so
Speaker 1: we used this right or I use this right to
Speaker 1: do it. He told me all the steps to do.
Speaker 1: I got everything ready and the ritual involved. You know,
Speaker 1: it used planetary hours. If anyone watching or I'm sure
Speaker 1: somebody y'all on the call have done it. But if
Speaker 1: you're using like planetary magic, it's very specific timing wise.
Speaker 1: You've got to be up at a certain time down
Speaker 1: to the minute to call on certain energies and certain spirits.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I prep everything, I get it all organized.
Speaker 1: This was quite a few years ago. I told my
Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time, like, don't worry about me tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Just ignore me. I'm going to be doing some stuff.
Speaker 1: Just live your life. If I'm chanting in a room,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. And the morning that I was
Speaker 1: due to do this, I think I had to start
Speaker 1: at five am. I woke up in the worst pain
Speaker 1: of my life and I had like eleven out of
Speaker 1: ten GI pain. I was like, not I'm going to
Speaker 1: be an elegant. I was shitting my brains out.
Speaker 11: I was showing like stoic knew it, and I I
Speaker 11: was oscillating between like the bathtub and the toilet and
Speaker 11: then trying to get like because I had to do
Speaker 11: shit on the hour every hour for this ritual.
Speaker 1: And I remember messaging with my friend and being like,
Speaker 1: I think I'm dying, Like I am in so much pain,
Speaker 1: can I can't stop shitting? Like what I had finish
Speaker 1: this ritual and he was like, well, yeah, the spirit
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go and it's pissed at you. And
Speaker 1: I was like, fantastic, Well I might have to go
Speaker 1: to a hospital, Like what do you recommend I do here?
Speaker 1: And he was like, you just got to get it done.
Speaker 1: You just got you cannot stop doing it now. My
Speaker 1: partner was like, witness My then partner was witnessing this
Speaker 1: all and being like you look like shit. Like I
Speaker 1: was running a fever, I couldn't walk. My partner at
Speaker 1: the time was like, you have to go to a hospital,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I have to finish chanting
Speaker 1: to Saturn.
Speaker 6: You say, you know, if I don't finish this, we're
Speaker 6: gonna have locknest monster in the bathtub.
Speaker 7: Listen, We're gonna have.
Speaker 1: Worse problems than me shitting my pants if you don't
Speaker 1: go back to bed and shut.
Speaker 9: Up and shooting your pants is definitely a fucking problem.
Speaker 9: It's a problem. I'm in there, yeah, crying out the
Speaker 9: ass like that. It's not it's not no.
Speaker 5: Serious, I know it happens.
Speaker 1: I do not recommend the colonoscopy by spirit. It's like not.
Speaker 5: As Yeah, it's like air.
Speaker 7: But I'm done, right, So I finished colonoscopy.
Speaker 1: Go to colonoscopy will be the title of autobiography. My god.
Speaker 1: So but I did it. I finished it. It got done.
Speaker 1: I think it took. It was about a twelve hour process,
Speaker 1: like on the hour, every hour. I somehow managed to
Speaker 1: like force myself through it. And at the end of
Speaker 1: that process, like literally the moment I finished that last
Speaker 1: chant and I sealed this jar and it was all
Speaker 1: done fine physically fine wow, And I put it out
Speaker 1: in the garden, which was you know. I was like,
Speaker 1: what do I do with this fucking jar at this point?
Speaker 1: And my friend was like, okay, well, you're gonna want
Speaker 1: to put it obviously away from your house. And I said,
Speaker 1: but how am I going to know if it worked?
Speaker 1: I mean, should have been obvious at the point in
Speaker 1: time that I was no longer extremely unwell that it
Speaker 1: had worked. But I was like, how do I know?
Speaker 1: How do I know what's in here? I don't know?
Speaker 1: And my friend said, You're just You're just gonna know.
Speaker 1: You're just gonna know. So you hear this a lot
Speaker 1: from other people in the occult when you're first like
Speaker 1: really learning serious magic. Oh, you're just going to know.
Speaker 1: It's such an annoying thing to hear. It's like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean, I'm just gonna know, fuck you. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I put it in my front yard, where at the
Speaker 1: time I had this gigantic catnet bush that was just
Speaker 1: growing all over the yard. I mean, catnip is a mint,
Speaker 1: it takes over everything, grows like a weed, and this
Speaker 1: plant was very robust, and three days later the entire
Speaker 1: plant had died. The whole thing was dead, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, wow, that worked, I guess, but it
Speaker 1: was terrifying. It was a terrifying experience, and not because
Speaker 1: anything spooky supernatural was happening, like things weren't appearing to
Speaker 1: me or like being spooky, but the toll that it
Speaker 1: had taken on my physical body, which you know, if
Speaker 1: you're a science minded person you can say, well, that's
Speaker 1: probably just totally totally coincidence, like bitch, you write too
Speaker 1: much taco bell, like that's what's going on there, right,
Speaker 1: like not like uh, And it was horrifying, horrifying, and
Speaker 1: I very nearly because apparently this spirit had no way
Speaker 1: ill intent, It wasn't trying to fuck me up. Apparently
Speaker 1: this was literally just a spirit that was ambiently around
Speaker 1: and that had noticed me and was like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: a witch. I'll just say hi, you know, and I'll
Speaker 1: just say hi in a way that starts ruining her life,
Speaker 1: because that's a good way to get attention.
Speaker 6: Oh and the energy, I mean, even if they don't
Speaker 6: mean to, they're going to suck some suck some blood,
Speaker 6: right if we want to go vampiric.
Speaker 1: Yep. And that's why that was my very hard one
Speaker 1: lesson of here's how we have good spiritual boundaries and
Speaker 1: good spiritual cleanliness. But yeah, I very nearly threw in
Speaker 1: the towel at that point.
Speaker 9: So you live in New Orleans obviously, Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 9: mean I feel like I've been there a few times.
Speaker 9: I just feel like it's a haunted place to live.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, to be honest with you, I mean you're
Speaker 9: saying like something could have happened in that place before
Speaker 9: you moved in, or something like that. I'll a lot
Speaker 9: of the places, like even driving by them, I would
Speaker 9: be like, gosh, this just gives me the he begbis
Speaker 9: like it's a haunted kind of creepy dark place.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of energy here. I think I
Speaker 1: mean the place that I live in. I'm not down
Speaker 1: like in the French Quarter or anything, because your girl
Speaker 1: does not make that kind of psychic money. I'm not
Speaker 1: angry yet, so I'm not you know, like I'm not
Speaker 1: raking it in. But you know, I live in a
Speaker 1: house on the outskirts of Orleans Paris, so I'm still
Speaker 1: technically in New Orleans, but it's more the suburbs. My
Speaker 1: house was built in like nineteen sixty three, I think
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen fifty nineteen fifty three, so it's not like
Speaker 1: old old history, haunty. But yeah, New Orleans is just
Speaker 1: a place with a lot of energy, spirits and also
Speaker 1: just like I.
Speaker 9: Mean Hurricane to Trina stuff about to say the like,
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, even if you don't live right in
Speaker 9: the quarter, I just I feel like with all that
Speaker 9: energy that even came through with that is kind of wild.
Speaker 9: But patty and angry. It's funny you mentioned her. I
Speaker 9: don't know if anybody else knows who that is, but
Speaker 9: that's the one they always get on ghost adventures. Do
Speaker 9: you know who I'm talking about? It's this, It's the
Speaker 9: one lady they're always consulting.
Speaker 12: On ghost adventures.
Speaker 9: When they call in a psychic, that's that's who she's
Speaker 9: talking about.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that she's extremely wealthy. I just
Speaker 1: assume that she is.
Speaker 9: She is too, Yeah, they're always calling her in, and
Speaker 9: I almost don't feel like she's very good on the episodes.
Speaker 9: It's like she walks in there and she just says
Speaker 9: some real vague generalities, and it's like, why didn't you
Speaker 9: freaking hire me to do that? I go in there
Speaker 9: and tell you more than she get.
Speaker 6: Not.
Speaker 9: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think celebrity celebrity psychics and celebrity
Speaker 1: occultists are their whole own thing, you know. And I mean, God,
Speaker 1: I don't want my have to get me into trouble
Speaker 1: this evening, so let's not it's not. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the other thing I think. Any it's not
Speaker 1: that they aren't legit people who become public figures and
Speaker 1: do things. But I think the nature of media also
Speaker 1: is that the legit stuff doesn't really sell.
Speaker 6: Like I know, you know, Yeah, there's magicians that have
Speaker 6: rabbits and hats, and then there's magicians yeah and they
Speaker 6: both yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody said something about glittering generalities. One
Speaker 9: of my favorite logical fallacies. Well, it's like they get
Speaker 9: in there and she's like, oh my next burning you know,
Speaker 9: she'll like scratch it real quick. Oh look at this
Speaker 9: scratch on my neck. Come on, Pattie, did you have
Speaker 9: a mother?
Speaker 7: Did you have a mother? I think you had a mother.
Speaker 1: Right, somebody in your family was a smoker.
Speaker 9: It's like, yeah, okay, yeah, all of a masshole, narrow
Speaker 9: it down something like that. Yes, I feel like someone
Speaker 9: you know, mother, father, grandmother, maybe Caucasianian. How would you guess?
Speaker 9: I'm not obviously celest I'm not making fun of me.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't feel that way at all. I
Speaker 1: just similar similar feelings.
Speaker 9: Yes, I have a friend. Actually, her name's Whitney. You
Speaker 9: guys may know her, Whitney Fox. Uh, she's the she's
Speaker 9: the real deal. She's a really cool lady. And uh yeah,
Speaker 9: I just I feel like people who actually have a
Speaker 9: talent for it, they're not they're not on ghost adventures, they're.
Speaker 4: Not you know, So.
Speaker 1: No, I agree. I mean, I think it's also possible
Speaker 1: that some of these people who become like big media figures,
Speaker 1: not to single out Patty, but folks in that in
Speaker 1: that Wheelhouse. I think sometimes, you know, maybe there is
Speaker 1: a legitimate skill and a talent and a gift there,
Speaker 1: but once you have to do it once a week
Speaker 1: on television with with fucking I don't even know who
Speaker 1: who is on Ghost Adventures at zach Bag and whoever.
Speaker 1: It is like you know, some like backwards baseball cap
Speaker 1: looking ass go toe guy being.
Speaker 4: Like the Ghost House.
Speaker 6: You know, did you hear that?
Speaker 7: Did you hear that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It must It probably creates a need to just
Speaker 1: like play the role and not worry about really like
Speaker 1: tapping in on a deeper level.
Speaker 9: Well, I'll say one there's one show that is like
Speaker 9: that that I will say to this day. I'm a
Speaker 9: huge fan and I love it so much, and I'll
Speaker 9: follow this girl on Instagram? Is that the Dead Files girl?
Speaker 5: You know I mentioned her before? She said you got
Speaker 5: to bring Amy Allen instead you did mention her?
Speaker 9: Dude, she got she gets me every time.
Speaker 5: Faire dude worth it in my opinion.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, no, that's one. And I feel like they're
Speaker 9: the guy that she works with on The Dead Files. Nick,
Speaker 9: weren't you going to talk to him or something?
Speaker 5: Or was trying past? Yeah, I was trying to because
Speaker 5: he was he was retired, I think, a detective of
Speaker 5: New York. But I never never got a response.
Speaker 9: Well he I can only imagine you two talking to
Speaker 9: each other with your big New York accents. But yeah, no,
Speaker 9: she's she fascinates me, but you so do youse, Celeste.
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna lie. I kind of would like to
Speaker 9: have you on my show and ask you all kinds
Speaker 9: of which craft three questions.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm down. I'm down. I haven't done a
Speaker 1: podcast in forever. And then I feel like in this
Speaker 1: last week, everybody's like, do you want to.
Speaker 7: Be on a podcast?
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, it's funny. Is another podcaster that I'm
Speaker 5: friends with literally him up and they're like, you have
Speaker 5: been trying to get her on for a while.
Speaker 1: Oh I think I know because I kind of went
Speaker 1: like self mode for the past, like gear and I
Speaker 1: really wasn't I wasn't even really updating my Instagram. It
Speaker 1: was just like mostly strictly business stuff, not putting out
Speaker 1: a bunch of other content. I was really burned out
Speaker 1: from just the content mill and the constant demands of
Speaker 1: the Internet. And then I went and decided to make
Speaker 1: a stupid TikTok and here we are now.
Speaker 9: TikTok every time.
Speaker 5: That's well the good timing. Jen has a question, Yeah,
Speaker 5: go for it, Jen.
Speaker 2: Okay, So thank you very much, Hidi and Nick.
Speaker 10: So I have one comment, one question, and obviously I
Speaker 10: said I would deticase Heidi in the chat, so I
Speaker 10: will do that. So celest you were talking about how
Speaker 10: your partner is very analytical, so of course Nick knows
Speaker 10: I love Kabala. So I'll just bring up a little
Speaker 10: this is kind of a boy magic what you're talking about.
Speaker 10: It's very hard, it's very you know, it's very hermetic,
Speaker 10: like you're very like in the clear blue lightning, you
Speaker 10: could say.
Speaker 2: So that's that is like you're saying, he is kind
Speaker 2: of a mystic.
Speaker 5: Yeah he is.
Speaker 10: He's tuned into the numbers. But it's just boy magic
Speaker 10: because that's how he looks at it.
Speaker 2: Hard data.
Speaker 10: Women are more they they are less dense. I've said
Speaker 10: this many times on a show, but they have a
Speaker 10: they're less dense than men. So they you guys need
Speaker 10: a little more finesse, a little more care. That's why
Speaker 10: the rituals, that's why the all the spiritual technologies. Men
Speaker 10: just kind of like need the know how and then
Speaker 10: we can kind of get there. Women kind of have
Speaker 10: to prepare themselves, but they can get there too. It's
Speaker 10: just it's all obviously, I think of it as all
Speaker 10: like just consciousness, so you can get there if you want.
Speaker 2: It's just how you prepare yourself.
Speaker 10: But I thought that was really interesting because I think
Speaker 10: you're tapped into like he is a mystic.
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people like this.
Speaker 10: They would not consider themselves occultists or mystics, but they
Speaker 10: have like a very keen analytic call i and analytical knowledge.
Speaker 2: Lisa is very much like this.
Speaker 10: I'm not saying she's like a dude at all, but
Speaker 10: she just it's a very if you have like a
Speaker 10: science that kind of brain, I think you're you are
Speaker 10: able to do it if you are open minded. And
Speaker 10: then my question was did Vampire the Masquerade the White
Speaker 10: Wolf game? Was that like really old fashioned by the
Speaker 10: time you were kind of in the scene or what
Speaker 10: did did you see it play kind of a role
Speaker 10: in how people, you know, like the.
Speaker 2: Vampire balls and all of that, like, yeah, familiar with
Speaker 2: that a little bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I mean, I think you know
Speaker 1: White Wolf games, whether it's tabletop or LARPing are gonna
Speaker 1: that's a that's eternally popular, you know. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: in a I'm in a VTM game right now. We
Speaker 1: haven't met for ages. We meet on zoom. But I
Speaker 1: am a big fan of White Wolf. I love role playing,
Speaker 1: mostly tabletop. I'm not big on warping. Surprisingly, I don't
Speaker 1: like people in real life, you know, to keep me
Speaker 1: away from them. But yeah, no, I think that the
Speaker 1: White Wolf universe definitely did seep into elements of the
Speaker 1: group that I was in. The biggest thing that I
Speaker 1: can think of. I'm glad you asked this question, actually,
Speaker 1: But the biggest way that I think it impacted some
Speaker 1: of the terminology from White Wolf games was creeping in
Speaker 1: to the way that the Vampire moderators interacted with us.
Speaker 1: And the biggest way that that happened was the idea
Speaker 1: of gules. If anyone's played like VTM or a White
Speaker 1: Wolf game, the goule is a physically human, well a
Speaker 1: mostly physically human character that is the servant or the
Speaker 1: you know, thrall of a vampire character. So in the
Speaker 1: role playing game Vampire, the musquerade, your vampire character can
Speaker 1: give a human being a certain amount of blood, and
Speaker 1: that character becomes kind of like your little mortal slave
Speaker 1: and you can go send them to do errands for
Speaker 1: you and do stuff during the day, pick up your
Speaker 1: dampile laundry, whatever does you need them to do. In
Speaker 1: the cult that I was in, that idea started to
Speaker 1: really permeate. So the truly unhinged Kuku Banana is. Stuff
Speaker 1: that went on toward the end is that a bunch
Speaker 1: of us were told that we actually had vampire blood.
Speaker 1: We didn't remember getting the vampire blood because it was
Speaker 1: all happening while we were sleeping. But you know, the
Speaker 1: the vampires who ran this cult were supposedly coming to
Speaker 1: some of us in the night and giving us their blood,
Speaker 1: and we were becoming ghouls. So in the world of
Speaker 1: the cult, I was a ghoul and had vampire blood
Speaker 1: and was told that that's why I was so sick.
Speaker 1: It turns out that I have a chronic illness, that's
Speaker 1: why I'm so sick, but I was told it was
Speaker 1: vampire blood. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Well that's really interesting.
Speaker 10: So us because Nicholas to Beer, I'm not sure if
Speaker 10: you're familiar with him, Yeah, and like the I think
Speaker 10: his thing is the Temple of Blood in the Order
Speaker 10: of the Dragon, and like everyone knows he's like really
Speaker 10: sick though, and like that whole group is quite weird
Speaker 10: and very extreme. But they they talk about like these
Speaker 10: very ideas that you're talking about, Like they think they are.
Speaker 2: Actually like immortal vampires, and they do feed people their
Speaker 2: blood unwittingly.
Speaker 10: So I just think that that's very fascinating that they're
Speaker 10: borrowing this kind of very extreme you know, luciferian ish.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure on their whole ideology, but yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 4: Blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they give people their.
Speaker 10: Own blood unwittingly in food and drinks, and they say
Speaker 10: it's to improve because they think they're like pure bloodline.
Speaker 10: Like that's Nicholas Severer's like whole thing. He thinks he's
Speaker 10: like the Gray Arian. I don't know, he thinks he's
Speaker 10: like good, Like he just thinks he's like pure descendant
Speaker 10: or whatever.
Speaker 8: And so it's interesting because I've seen that in the
Speaker 8: plot line of a film recently called The Golden Child.
Speaker 9: Were you like Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 4: Review that.
Speaker 5: Was like the Oatmeal or whatever that was love that show.
Speaker 9: It's in the oat meal. It's in the oatmeal. Hey,
Speaker 9: but I was going to see it reminds me of
Speaker 9: of mid Midnight Mass as well.
Speaker 7: That was from the Great Brotherhood of the North.
Speaker 6: This is all very ancient uh magic, so all of that,
Speaker 6: all of these things, yeah, but all that one.
Speaker 4: You co join us, Julia, for sure.
Speaker 9: Send me the link. I love The Golden Child. I
Speaker 9: made Colby watch it the other day.
Speaker 5: Just watched it too. That's that's good.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I recently just watched it. I think the funniest
Speaker 9: part is when they go to like the uh to
Speaker 9: talk to the dry Lady and he's like, this is
Speaker 9: good to keep the yang up, and he's like, nothing wrong.
Speaker 3: With my yang.
Speaker 9: Anyways. Anyways, I did I did want to say I
Speaker 9: played Magic the Gathering when I was a youngster and
Speaker 9: the Great Game. Do you like that one?
Speaker 1: I'm not good at it because I can't math, but people,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 9: I was going to say, though, you know, I started
Speaker 9: playing it when I was around like sixteen or seventeen
Speaker 9: or something like that, and I used to go to
Speaker 9: like the conventions or whatever and play against other the
Speaker 9: tournaments and stuff. If somebody would have started a Magic
Speaker 9: the Gathering cult when I was at eight, I would
Speaker 9: have joined it. I mean, I think that's.
Speaker 1: Like I want to join a cult.
Speaker 5: I would do it just.
Speaker 9: Because, okay, because I was young and impressionable. And also
Speaker 9: I'm working on a cult series right now. It's called
Speaker 9: to the CULTI Verse, and I want to join a
Speaker 9: cult just to see what it's all about. And then
Speaker 9: I'm going to report back the facts.
Speaker 4: And I don't recommend that they don't like you when
Speaker 4: you do that.
Speaker 5: It's pretty much like what I like that.
Speaker 9: Nobody will have me anyways, JJ. Unless you start a colt,
Speaker 9: maybe you'll have me.
Speaker 7: You'll get a roper money.
Speaker 4: The Mormons will take you.
Speaker 9: I don't want to pay.
Speaker 5: You got to go down to Brazil and go to
Speaker 5: the what's that one that we keep talking about, JJ,
Speaker 5: that we got to cover one day?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the eye is Saturday.
Speaker 5: That is some wild one. Yeah, yeah, some ship like that.
Speaker 4: Joey.
Speaker 8: You can sign a billion year contract with Scientology if
Speaker 8: you want to join a cult. It's only a billion years.
Speaker 8: I think that's going to only a billionaires.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's going to be a no for me, dog.
Speaker 9: But the thing is, I would like to join like
Speaker 9: a cult temporarily, like a friend of your cold than
Speaker 9: that like just to go to a couple of crock
Speaker 9: pot lunches and then just you know, take some notes
Speaker 9: down and just you know investigated investiguis a little bit,
Speaker 9: and then just be out. But anyways, I think if
Speaker 9: you have enough passion behind something, and you're involved with
Speaker 9: something enough, it would be easy to become involved in
Speaker 9: like a club or a group where what eventually ends
Speaker 9: up becoming a cult. Because I mean I was stealing
Speaker 9: Magic the Gathering cards from Walmart and just like stuffing
Speaker 9: my bra with them and shoving them down my pants.
Speaker 4: I was obsessed with it.
Speaker 9: I was, indeed, man, that is magic.
Speaker 2: Magic the Gathering is definitely there's definitely kala stick. Oh
Speaker 2: I think pel.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree, Jin. I think it
Speaker 9: gets a hold of your mind for sure, because I
Speaker 9: became completely obsessed with it. I had the video game,
Speaker 9: I met people in real life and played it. I
Speaker 9: mean I did, I did all of it. I mean,
Speaker 9: but the thing I grew out of it. But I
Speaker 9: feel like some of this stuff, like they set up
Speaker 9: these forums and stuff because a lot of people don't grow.
Speaker 11: Out of this.
Speaker 9: They they don't capture asking questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's to capture your attention.
Speaker 10: Like for me, I was like, I'm more like identified
Speaker 10: with some of what Celestia was saying, because like I
Speaker 10: I'm Goth a little bit like not full.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was always adjacent to that subculture or whatever.
Speaker 2: I like magic.
Speaker 10: I was never into vampires, but I do like magic,
Speaker 10: So I was always interested in i't call things. So
Speaker 10: it's always to draw your attention, like who, like, what
Speaker 10: consciousness are you going to capture with what story?
Speaker 2: So I've read all the Anne Reichs books. I didn't
Speaker 2: mind them, but it wasn't it's not going to be
Speaker 2: something that I'm It wasn't the capture the thing that
Speaker 2: captured me. So you were captured by magic the gathering.
Speaker 2: Heidi was obviously born a Mormon. JJ obviously became a Mormon.
Speaker 2: Nick was captured by the Oto.
Speaker 10: I'm not saying in a negative way, just we all
Speaker 10: everyone here kind of proves that the real American religion
Speaker 10: is actually a little weird, a little magicalal and like
Speaker 10: a lot of like what you think, individualistic in a way.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's very well said. Yeah,
Speaker 9: very well said.
Speaker 12: Definitely, Yeah, a lot of aliens.
Speaker 5: That is interesting that does show up on It's.
Speaker 1: Aliens all the way down at the end of the day.
Speaker 7: It's aliens and women.
Speaker 1: It's ultra terrestrial women all the way down there.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Uh go probably about another like ten minutes, if
Speaker 5: anybody else has any more questions. I know I meant
Speaker 5: typed in the chat. I wanted to wrap it up,
Speaker 5: like not yet.
Speaker 1: I know everyone went quiet.
Speaker 5: I know, yeah, because they're probably like, I'm long winded.
Speaker 9: I didn't want to get started on something I couldn't stop.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Jenny, you got another question, Yeah, i'llsole us.
Speaker 10: The question is what are some of your most Obviously
Speaker 10: you don't want to I understand if you don't want
Speaker 10: to get into personal details of like your clients, But
Speaker 10: what are some of the more interesting cases that you
Speaker 10: would be willing to like share that you've done magically
Speaker 10: or for people.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, like you know, my clients, I
Speaker 1: get a lot of repeat clients, which I think is
Speaker 1: not always common in this industry. But I do have
Speaker 1: a really wonderful client base of people who kind of
Speaker 1: keep coming back either and not you know, not like
Speaker 1: keep coming back like every week they're blowing me up,
Speaker 1: but you know, keep coming back for inside or readings.
Speaker 1: Readings was a big bread and butter of my work
Speaker 1: for a long long time, and that's really all I did,
Speaker 1: and I've only branched out into doing sort of bespoke
Speaker 1: spell work bespoke ritual for people over the past three issuars.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that it was going to be as
Speaker 1: popular as it has been, but it turns out that
Speaker 1: a lot of people have a lot of magic that
Speaker 1: they want to do that they either don't know how
Speaker 1: to do or they're too lazy to do themselves. So
Speaker 1: that is that is not my job as far as
Speaker 1: the most interesting. I get a lot of the kind
Speaker 1: of standard stuff that you would imagine a lot of
Speaker 1: like my ex left and I want him back. I
Speaker 1: get a lot of you know, I want a promotion
Speaker 1: at my job or I need a new job and
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that. But then I
Speaker 1: do get some sort of more unhinged requests. I guess
Speaker 1: I met a couple of people who needed it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: not that many homicidal people, and I have a system
Speaker 1: for dealing with that. But I do have people who
Speaker 1: want to, you know, either protect themselves from somebody or
Speaker 1: they need to exact some form of vengeance, shall we say.
Speaker 1: And one such case, which I will talk about without
Speaker 1: naming names, but I had a client and a friend
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago who had been slighted by
Speaker 1: an individual and was upset about it. And so her
Speaker 1: whole thing was, you know, she was very upset, very distraught,
Speaker 1: and she said, I want this person to be punished.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, well what kind of punishment are
Speaker 1: we talking about here, Like, let's have a conversation. And
Speaker 1: I always make sure that I do a divination first,
Speaker 1: because sometimes it's just not a good idea to go
Speaker 1: getting yourself involved in a situation like that. But she
Speaker 1: wanted him. He was he was a I kind of
Speaker 1: if he was like a YouTuber or like a twitch
Speaker 1: streamer or something like that. But he was like a
Speaker 1: mildly famous in his like little niche kind of guy.
Speaker 1: And she said, I really want him to lose this
Speaker 1: celebrity boxing match that he's about to be a part of.
Speaker 1: There was some sort of YouTube live streamed pay per
Speaker 1: view influencer boxing match going on, and she really wanted
Speaker 1: this guy to lose. And I thought, you know, well
Speaker 1: that's fairly innocent. I don't give it in about this
Speaker 1: guy seems like piece of shit, Like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do some magic for him to lose this boxing match.
Speaker 1: But then she kind of caveat it, and she said,
Speaker 1: but I also want him to get a little bit
Speaker 1: injured in the process. I was like, okay, so do
Speaker 1: the ritual and I'll be honest with you, like my
Speaker 1: stuff usually does work. Sometimes it takes a little longer
Speaker 1: to work than I think it's going to, like timelines
Speaker 1: with magical weird. But I have a pretty good track
Speaker 1: record of my stuff working.
Speaker 9: But right right in the middle of the story, are
Speaker 9: we back.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, yeah, oh man, all right, either he
Speaker 1: was going to win this boxing match or he was not.
Speaker 1: You know, it was gonna it was gonna work, or
Speaker 1: it wasn't. And she was going to be watching live
Speaker 1: my client, and it was like, oh fuck if I
Speaker 1: if I screw the pooch on this one, it's going
Speaker 1: to be real bad for business. So anyway, I hear
Speaker 1: about it later and she was like, well he lost
Speaker 1: the match. I was like, oh, dope, that's awesome. Few
Speaker 1: she was like yeah, and his bicep exploded like the muscle.
Speaker 1: The muscle in his bicep. I guess, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: a tendon snapped or something, but he had like some
Speaker 1: crazy gnarly bicep injury. And so yeah, that that worked
Speaker 1: very successfully.
Speaker 12: That's wild frozen again.
Speaker 9: I had a question to.
Speaker 5: Go, shoot, oh good, you froze again.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't sure if you're there, you don't out,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I guess the spirit's like,
Speaker 1: that's enough of you, bitch, but go ahead, go ahead
Speaker 1: if you have a question.
Speaker 9: Well, I was just gonna see, do you ever get
Speaker 9: scared if like doing ritualism like this, Like, does does
Speaker 9: anything negative come back on you or the person who
Speaker 9: requested it?
Speaker 1: In my experience, neither U. And I think that's because
Speaker 1: like so, I'm not wicked, and only some schools of
Speaker 1: occultism really even believe in this idea of like, you know,
Speaker 1: rebound impact from a spell. You know, in the wick
Speaker 1: in religion, it's like, Okay, anything you're going to put
Speaker 1: out there, you get back on you three times, And
Speaker 1: that's just not a tenet that everybody believes in. I
Speaker 1: do believe in energy moving around, and I while I
Speaker 1: don't really think that there's this sort of score sheet
Speaker 1: out there with some like Supreme being being like, well,
Speaker 1: you did the bad things, so now you're going to
Speaker 1: get the bad thing. I don't think it's quite I mean,
Speaker 1: if it were like that, a lot of really bad
Speaker 1: people would be having really bad lives and they don't,
Speaker 1: so you know, proofs in the pudding there a lot.
Speaker 9: I have to agree with you on that because I've
Speaker 9: said several times, you know, when you watch a movie,
Speaker 9: you always expect for the good guy to win in
Speaker 9: the end against evil, but in real life it's not
Speaker 9: like that. It's usually the bad guy wins in the end,
Speaker 9: and that's reality. And so if I hate to say this,
Speaker 9: but it's like if if it was like if you
Speaker 9: do something bad, something bad's going to happen to you,
Speaker 9: then I mean all the satanic pedophiles that run our
Speaker 9: country would not be freaking billionaires live in you know,
Speaker 9: lavish lifestyles. So it's like the bad guy wins in
Speaker 9: the end. Sometimes I hate to say that, but that's
Speaker 9: what it seems like.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's also like if you guys is in
Speaker 1: the show The Good Place where they try and like
Speaker 1: figure out what the moral like tally sheet would even
Speaker 1: look like and how you would calculate that, Like I think,
Speaker 1: I do believe that there is some kind of like
Speaker 1: I mean, I believe in God. I think that God
Speaker 1: is real, But I don't think that human morality and
Speaker 1: human action can be reduced to this sort of like
Speaker 1: easy checks and balances. Yes, no bad, good kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I do always do my own sort of soul searching
Speaker 1: and divination before I take a client on, before I decide,
Speaker 1: like am I going to do this work? But I
Speaker 1: to be honest, I I will get energetically drained. I'll
Speaker 1: say that if I And that's regardless of the kind
Speaker 1: of work that I'm doing, whether it's like kind of
Speaker 1: texting and cursing, whether it's much more benevolent, like if
Speaker 1: I have a full three days of spell work, it
Speaker 1: will drain the funk out of me and I'll have
Speaker 1: to go to bed and sleep. But it doesn't I mean,
Speaker 1: touch Wood, you freaked me out. Now, It's so far
Speaker 1: it hasn't like come and bit me in the ass.
Speaker 1: Yet I feel like the spirits are very present on
Speaker 1: this conversation and doing all sorts of things with the
Speaker 1: internet connections, so like, don't bite me in the ass,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, I know Robert's going to come.
Speaker 9: And now it's all remind me never to meet up
Speaker 9: with you and go bowling.
Speaker 7: I just don't want that energy in my life.
Speaker 4: Before worn. Don't don't ever take a picture of Robert
Speaker 4: the doll. He will curse you.
Speaker 9: I'm not going to do it. I'm never going to
Speaker 9: do it.
Speaker 1: I saw him, but I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: I took a picture. I think I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna heed that morning.
Speaker 4: Far more wiser than I.
Speaker 9: I bet your I bet if you posted that picture,
Speaker 9: only got like ten likes on it too, and now
Speaker 9: you're cursed forever.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 8: I don't really have any social media outside of my podcast.
Speaker 8: And this was probably twelve years ago. I'm not even
Speaker 8: sure what happened to the photo it was.
Speaker 9: You didn't even get a single like on it? JJ wow.
Speaker 11: And for what.
Speaker 4: Memory card? You know what I mean, Like, I'm not
Speaker 4: certainly ever left the actual memory card of the camera.
Speaker 1: That'siously Robert did all takes his privacy.
Speaker 8: He's like, you don't have to print it, apparently you
Speaker 8: just have to have it on, you know, on a
Speaker 8: memory card. Apparently riding away in the back of a
Speaker 8: closet somewhere.
Speaker 9: I'm sure, Hey, quick question something I heard that might
Speaker 9: be total bullshit. If you cut your hair on a
Speaker 9: full moon or something like, what are you You're only
Speaker 9: to cut your hair on certain days. I have a
Speaker 9: hair pointment coming up. This is per information.
Speaker 2: Weaning Julia waning always on a waning.
Speaker 9: Is one coming up?
Speaker 12: Because I have a hair appointment.
Speaker 1: Right now. I think it's I think it is wedding currently.
Speaker 9: Actually, oh, thank god, I need a good haircut.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: There you go saying it's been years since I've gotten
Speaker 9: a good haircut, and I feel like it's always because
Speaker 9: I get it cut at the wrong time. Somebody told
Speaker 9: me this last time. I said, every time I go,
Speaker 9: I get a shitty fucking haircut, and they said it's
Speaker 9: because you're only supposed to cut your hair on the
Speaker 9: waning moon. I didn't couldn't remember which one it was,
Speaker 9: but I just you know, if there's anything to that,
Speaker 9: I think I want to do it next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's old astrology.
Speaker 5: Definitely, let us know how that goes.
Speaker 10: You never on you never cut your hair on a
Speaker 10: dark moon, and usually what you do is you collect
Speaker 10: the hair and then you burn. If you want to
Speaker 10: be really old school, you collect the hair off like
Speaker 10: after they sweep it up. You don't want them take
Speaker 10: it any burning yourself.
Speaker 9: See what happened with Nick cut his hair on a
Speaker 9: dark moon and never grow back.
Speaker 5: So for the barbha and yeah, that's what's.
Speaker 1: Well on this dark Yeah, this is so great. Thanks
Speaker 1: for letting me.
Speaker 7: Questions.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh yeah, before we wrap it up, I'll let
Speaker 5: everybody plug themselves again, Heidi, let everybody know what is
Speaker 5: up with your show. Please.
Speaker 6: I am Heidi love of the Unfiltered Ice. I'm everywhere
Speaker 6: podcast are served. I do have my own website, Unfiltered
Speaker 6: Ice podcast dot com. Come check me out.
Speaker 7: I'd love to see you and thank you everyone for
Speaker 7: the chat. Thank you celest.
Speaker 5: And JJ Vance.
Speaker 8: JJ Vance sus of Operation GCD not not the vice
Speaker 8: president when it comes back on the screen.
Speaker 4: So that's great to meet you. It's a great conversation.
Speaker 8: I will have to get to next your contact information
Speaker 8: from Nick to talk Robert, the doll Curse and whatnot.
Speaker 8: But thoroughly enjoyed the conversation and Jen, Heidi, Julie always great.
Speaker 4: Nick appreciate the invite as always awesome.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, sir, and then we'll go with
Speaker 5: Cosmic Peach Julia. What is up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm everywhere and nowhere. I'm a ghost of podcasting.
Speaker 9: But if you want to work with me, the way
Speaker 9: you can do that is go to my Instagram page
Speaker 9: Cosmic dot Peach dot podcast. I have my link tree there.
Speaker 9: Send me an email if you want to be on
Speaker 9: my show or have me on your show. That that's
Speaker 9: the best way to contact me. Thanks again, Nick for
Speaker 9: having me on Celestial Lovely. I enjoyed our conversation and
Speaker 9: I learned a lot.
Speaker 5: Thanks awesome, that's great. That's great. And Jin the Ninja
Speaker 5: please make sure you play yourselves since you were in
Speaker 5: here at the beginning.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Nick, thank you, Heidi, thank you, JJ,
Speaker 2: Thank you Julia and Celesti. You are a great guest.
Speaker 10: I just will say thank you and awesome, great show
Speaker 10: as we've all done lately, because I've obviously podcasted with
Speaker 10: all of you frequently in the last few months.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 10: And I just did an episode with Heidi, and tomorrow
Speaker 10: I'm on with JJ and Nick and Julia and we're.
Speaker 2: Doing Wednesday Wednesday Wednesday. Yes, I remember Wednesday and I
Speaker 2: won't be late. So I just dropped.
Speaker 10: I'll be early, I'll be early. And I just dropped
Speaker 10: a three part series on my show on Ralph Bakshi.
Speaker 10: So we did Fire and Ice, American Pop and Wizards.
Speaker 10: So I did the Kabala, So I went, really, if
Speaker 10: you're into schizo Kabbala, looking at the colors, archetypes, talking
Speaker 10: about like maybe a little Telema, a little you know,
Speaker 10: like obviously I got into Kenneth Grant because it's impossible
Speaker 10: to discuss those films without it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that just dropped on my feed. I have
Speaker 2: lots of episodes coming out.
Speaker 10: I just dropped the episode I did with JJ on
Speaker 10: Big Trouble in Little China, which is my personally. I
Speaker 10: think it was a great episode. So yeah, that just
Speaker 10: dropped on my feed. So you can check me out.
Speaker 2: Threshold Saints Twitter at wu Kanri born in ig At.
Speaker 10: Threshold Saints and I were the Gray Lodge, so one
Speaker 10: of my spaces. We actually have a YouTube channel. Now
Speaker 10: I'm not running it. I have nothing to do with it,
Speaker 10: but one of the boys started us a YouTube channel
Speaker 10: so we can put our lives. We do these for
Speaker 10: the Friday Night gnastic mass. So we have been doing
Speaker 10: speculative narcissism. So yeah, so if you're interested check it out.
Speaker 10: Thanks guys, thank you.
Speaker 5: And finally Celeste, Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah let me get let me get this out quick.
Speaker 1: My camera keeps freezing the internets over it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you can find me. I have a website Celeste Mott
Speaker 1: m ott dot com. That's how you can book with
Speaker 1: me if you want to partake in my services. But
Speaker 1: I'm also on Instagram at Celeste Mott and TikTok at
Speaker 1: Celeste Moth with an h. Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: By the way, I've like got away from myself there.
Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me be on. This was a blast.
Speaker 12: I had a really good time same listen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I have had a blast too. Uh, thank
Speaker 5: you everybody who joined. I really had a good time tonight.
Speaker 5: And thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's up.
Speaker 5: There was a bunch of you in there, I guess
Speaker 5: from you know, old channels too. I really appreciate the
Speaker 5: comments and the you know, the questions and stuff and that.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, and until the next one, everybody else you
Speaker 5: will
Speaker 9: Name