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Subject matter I could always use some help when it
comes to that. Don't think that averny weird problem that
you have, you're the only one that has this weird problem.
It's not the case, because trust me, there's gonna be
a lot of people that have a lot of pet
parents have the same things. Which is why interestingly, one
of the things here's a good if a dog is
acting normal but throw up several times but still eight breakfast,
should you worry? So that's actually a great question. Thanks
for divicate Elouise Pet Rescue. And that is that there
are so many reasons for vomiting. There are so many
us for diarrhea, especially diarrhea with blood, so the other
ones that people freak out. And one thing I like
about in general telemedicine air vet is that sometimes just
seeing the dog, watching the dog at work, it is
something that it takes a lot of the pressure of it
because if a dog even is vomiting, if they're really sick,
really sick, then you're going to see a dog that's
just not happy, is lethargic, is not eating, is maybe
having diarrhea as well, is sluggish, then I'm concerned. But
if the dog is not eating or is vomiting, all right,
I'm gonnaive you a classic story in a minute. Is
but they're running around and they can't wait for the
next meal. Obviously they're not that sick. And so now
we have to then couple of things. Number one is
determine was it vomiting, was it regurditation? In other words,
what breed is the dog? How long after eating, was
it preceded by up chucking or just all of a
sudden they open them out back and this yellow bile
comes out. So this is all really really stuff is
so important important, So anyway, cat snappers are going to
talk about that in a minute. So this is why
it's important to see the dog. So chances are if
I have a dog that's happy, alert, playful, active, and eating,
what I'm gonna do is I'm going to assume this
when something comes on suddenly but really not affecting how
sick the dog is, then I'm looking at some insult,
something happened, something eaten that. So I'm not that worried
at least yet. So I would recommend is hold off
on food even water. Once a stomach goes through vomiting. Okay,
so that stomach is almost like taking a wet rag
and ringing it out. That's what the inside of that
stomach looks like. So anything that goes into that stomach,
even something is benign as water, might make them vomit again.
So what I recommend always is to hold off on food.
Now maybe water. Obviously water is important. So what I
would do is give them some ice cubes. Take about
four or five ice cubes, put them in an empty
water bowl, and as the ice melts, they can go
up to it and drink border. But they can't ingest
an entire a large volume at once, something that's going
to stretch that stomach. Let them wait anywhere from twelve
to twenty four hours, and then then you can go
ahead and try a little bit of food. A little
bit of food. Let them eat maybe a couple of bites.
They keep it down, maybe an hour later a little
bit more, and slowly work them up. I was involved
a case years ago, and the dog was apparently diagnosed
by another veterinarian name I'm not going to give any names,
and they wanted to run over one thousand dollars worth
of testing for this little dog that was vomiting. So
I'm looking at this dog comes into my office. I
could barely even get it to sit still for a second.
So now I start asking questions. Good physicisam, and a
good history is one of the most important things you
can have done. Don't let it better in air and
based on just a symptom. Say okay, there's what we
have to do. Put your hands on the dog, listen
to it, feel it. Get a really thorough history. What
is it, When is it? How long did it go?
Really get a th history. That's very important. So as
I'm getting his history, what is it? It wasn't even vomiting.
It wasn't even it was regurgitation. What was the breed?
A friend's bulldog? Duh. They do this a lot. So
I'm watching this dog and I said, no, this is regurgitation.
This is probably a esophagel or gastric reflux. And it
causes when does it happen worse? Late night, early morning? Ah,
beautiful history. That is supporting. When my hunch was so,
we said no testing, No, testing. I know people think
I'm crazy. Maybe I am. No testing, not yet anyway,
So let's try this first. Remember my kiss roll, keep
it simple, stupid, I'm going to keep it simple. So
we said, Okay, I want you to take about a
third to a quarter of dinner, set it aside, and
feed it to the dog, like maybe at ten thirty eleven,
ten to fifteen minutes before you go to bed. Okay, Now,
if that alone doesn't work, be about fifteen minutes before that,
I'll have you give half of a pepsid or half
of a private sec Well guess what, we never eve
got some private set. Just the late night snack solved
the problem. No testing, no very easy. Get a history.
Don't let your doctors, whoever they are. That's why I
am so concerned about emergency clinics. If you rush to
an emergency for that which is not emergency. By the way,
in my opinion, ninety five percent of emergencies are not.
But you go in there and you have often a young,
inexperienced doctor. They hear vomiting and they freak and they
start testing and X rays and come on, no, no, no, no no,
get a good thorough history, do a good exam. Find
out exactly what's coming up, when it's coming up? How
long after eating? Is it slowing the dog down? To
the dog wait for its next meal? No, want to
see you right away. You know it's not serious. So anyway,
this is what I recommend, is making sure that it
may be nothing. So with this dog who's vomiting but
running around, try those things first. First of all, what's
coming up? How long after eating is the dog still
can't wait for its next meal? Then you know it's
probably not very serious. Most likely eight something that affected. Again,
don't jump, don't jump to the expensive testing and worrying.
Don't worry. Okay, let me just get some wave here. Now,
let's go back to some questions ivdd oh my god,
too many good questions. We'll get to y'all all right,
so ah, there we go themphone he said, unwhited to
do chemo. No, it's not unwhite to do chemo. Yes,
preddison is good, but there are some really mild chemo
agents that might help the Mustine for one, vin Christine
for another. So I mean predisone is certainly part of
the protocol. I would rely on just bread. I would
want to hit it a little harder again, depending on
so many other factors. What's the cat's age, okay, how
large are the lymphos or they die, how were they diagnosed,
were they truly diagnosed with And you can also do
something where they can evaluate the testing and to see
whether it's his B cell or T cell. B is bad,
tea is terrible. So that also not only helps determine
how aggressive you want to be with chemo, but also
gives you a better idea of the prognosis. So there
are some additional testing that can be run on samples
you may need to take. Have your doctor take another
sample and have them determine if they can actually do
a detailed evaluation of the type of mphoma. And then
also as a prognosticating measure, you might want to get
some samples, take maybe an ultrasound, maybe get a sample
of liver, maybe get a sample of spleen. And it's
called you want to have a better idea, it's called
staging the cancer. So if the lungs are clear and
the spleen and liver are clear, and it's a B cell,
then I would say you're a prognosis. It's net Well,
you're never going to cure it, but you can really
slow down a lot. Even if it's t cell, you
might want to get more aggressive with the chemo. So
I would recommend if your veterinarian is not comfortable doing this,
get a consult with a board certified veter ancologist. And
where you are. You're here in LA, there are a
lot of them. You can always reach out to me
and I'll give us some names. But it's not an
instant death sentence. But I would be a little bit
more aggressive than just pregnant, own prendnic salona a cat.
All right, so we go back. Does glukosamine really make
a difference to every old dog? Yes, First of all,
it's a supplement and we don't know what effect it's
going to have. How dogs react differently, so I look
at it differently. Is it harmful, No, it's not. So
if it's not harmful and it may help capital em
it may help, go for it. You have nothing to lose.
And so I would say if a dog, an older
dog that is already not on some sort of joint supplement,
I would highly recommend it. Now interesting not tell you
a study. There's a study done years ago using evaluating
the joint response via X ray, which is a little
bit touchy. They did not find any advantage on X
ray on these dogs that were given glucosamine. However, what
they didn't do be better, but it was too expensive
for the study is to do MRIs or cts. That
would have given a much better idea of what the
problem is. So but interestingly, on that study where they
took X rays, they also gave questionnaires to the owners
to fill out about how the dog is doing. So
maybe to have it could have been a placebo effect.
Who knows, But the vast majority seventy plus percent of
pet parents who were giving their dogs lukosamine, ANDROID and
MSM actually felt their dogs were doing better. So it
may not show radiographically, but who cares about the radiograph?
Does the dog feel better? Is it making him more energetic?
Is it more mobile? Is he getting up faster? Is
he more willing to go out for a walk. That's
all we care about is pet parents. So in my opinion,
now you go for it. If you have a two
year old dog the same leg shakes, what is it?
It could be what we call muscle fatigue, It could
be some sort of just a muscle twitch. When does
it happen? I will tell you that I've seen this,
and I've done tests and everything comes back normal, and
the dog and every other gog is normal. It just
might be even if it's only one leg, it could
be something with the muscle of that leg. But maybe
you can try something like methacarbamol, which is a muscle relaxant.
But usually it's like muscle fisiculations because the muscle fatigue.
Why I don't know, but I'm not too worried about it.
Elderly cat has a small sell them, okay, So if
it's small, sell them foma elderly cat. If in doubt,
and if it was not stage, I would stage at first,
and then I would I mean, certainly you could do
pregnice alone. Pregnice alone, remember a cat is pregnice salone,
not prednice sown important. But I would still say something
like there are some very mild, even oral medications that
you can use along with pregnice alone that might be helpful.
Autoimmune disease is bethany. So yes, dogs can get autoimmune diseases,
and the most common one that we see is autoimmune
hemolytic anemia and we also see the skin diseases like
Pemphigus vulgaris, Pemphigus foliaceous. You can also get colleenose so,
which is also a form of an autoimmune disease, discoid lupus.
These are all diseases that dogs can get. They are controllable, treatable,
sometimes treatable. It may never go away completely, but the
next spout may never happen. For example, automine hemolytic ema.
When we get autoimmune thrombocytopenia, it's rarely primary. So when
you have AITP autoimmune thrombods, well, that's where the platelet
count gets very low because the body eats up its
platelets just like it does eat up the red cells.
With autoimmune hemolytic anemia or immune mediated thrombocidepenia or SO,
these are all IMHA immune mediatd heumolinic anemia or AIHA
so autoimmune humilic anemia just different terms for the same disease. Anyway,
we put them on high dose of iminosuppressants, sometimes just
high dose steroids. Sometimes is a thigh sometimes cyclosporine, and
again you work with your veterinarian. They are controllable. I've
had many cases over the years aiha or imaja, and
we got it under control. It never came back. So
sometimes when there's some sort of immune stimulation, the body
goes wild and it starts not only attacking what it
was attacking in the first place because of a good
immune system. The immune system got too good and started
attacking the dog. And we see this a lot of
times with the pemphigus cases. Now with those, again it
is controllable, maybe treatable, and you need to get a
diagnosis first. So skin biopsies are very important. And when
you're doing the skin biopsy, it helps the pathologist to
get the biopsy right on the edge where you're getting
some normal tissue along with the abnormal tissue, and that
helps them get to a better diagnosis. So we do
what's called a punch biopsy, and these dogs are doing
very well. Then you also have a muscle disease where
you have myocytis. So if you've seen them dogs usually
large breed dogs, and the head starts caving in on
both sides, that is also an immune mediad disease, and
there's some testing for that as well. If we used
to have to test by muscle biopsy. Now it could
be tested with a blood test, so talk to your veterinarian.
But that also is something that is controlling them. Now,
just so you know, you want to catch it early
if you can, if you start seeing it happen, why
because you can never build the muscle back up, but
you can stop the process at where it is. So
these dogs are totally fine, but sometimes if left alone,
it gets so bad that they get to the point
where the muscles of mastigatory myocytis, those are the muscles
of mastication of chewing. The muscle gets destroyed. It becomes
like a tension band and they can't open their mouths.
So if you see it happening, important to see your veterinarian,
get a diagnosis as soon as possible, and to a
man of body test. You can send it to a lab.
They can make a diagnosis and start treating. Sooner the better,
and that will only help your dog. As you said,
it may not grow back, but it will be real good.
It seems unwise to do a chemo, so I mean
if it depends on the age of the cat. If
the cats is really old and you just want to
do something, then one hundred percent. Prendice alone is better
than nothing. But I would look at little mustin, I
would look at some of the other oral medications that
can be used. It could help as well. So I
would say to speak to a veterinarian colonist. That would help.
If a dog gets bitten bleeding but not deep, what
you do, So that's a great question bends how bad
is bleeding. First of all, if it's a puncture, we
don't want to sew punctures. So even if it's a
small cut, we don't tell we want to sew them.
We want to make sure that they're not getting infected,
because the most important thing is if you sew it
and there's still infection in the deeper layers, then you're
going to get a wicked abcess. So depending on how
large the gap is, how large the actual bite is,
how deep it is, all determines how you're going to control.
You're going to be very aggressive with flushing and putting
drains in and suturing, all right, But they have a
drain in there, so the drain can handle the oozing,
the infection of the abscess if it starts to abscess,
all right, or treating it more conservatively, So these are
manufacturs I don't typically like unless it's very large in
gaping to sow these small bite wounds. I like to
clean them well, soap and water. Maybe a nova sandwich
is a colorhexidine solution. Then we would have them compressed daily,
put them on antibiotics, and let's see usually leasing clothes
on their own, as long as it's not too big.
So it's important to see a veterinarian and together. Depending
on how aggressive one needs to be, these things are off.
I just had a bite wound two this week and
I just left them alone. They're already healing fine. Even
I own bite wounds, I leave them alone. They heal
all right. Cause of a dog aggression in a group,
does doggy dake? Last two days? It was an aggressional
teen dogs who know each other well, ah, okay, two
or puppies. So when you have this it's not necessarily.
First of all, it may not be male in a
male aggression, though puppies that aren't neutered yet, it could be.
I'd say it's a fight for dominance, it's a fight
for toys, it's a fight for food, or it's a
fight for another playmate. So if you have one such situation,
you may need to separate. For example, For example, there's
a something called pac mentality. I have five dogs. If
I walk them individually, they're not bad, especially three of
the five. Two of them are obnoxious, my little Frenchie
and my little Harry, which is my little terrier, probably
one of my favorite. He gets nuts. But when I
walk Tommy, my big labrador, alone, he's fine. I walk
down the street to my friend's house who has a
very big dog. They play great together. But when I
walk all five together, then that pac mentality kicks in
and they any other dog, it could be a half
a block away across the street, and they all of
a sudden start going nuts. Then my stupid little Frenchie, okay,
he gets so crazy. Then we get something called displaced aggression.
What does that mean? He really wants to go with
that dog across the street. He's all worked up, he's
barking and yappen, And then Harry goes in for the
kill and he starts barking. Then Dwight starts to go
after Harry. I mean, come on, really, they live together,
they sleep together, they love each other, but they get
so worked up, so you can't always predict when a
dog gets that worked up, how the behavior is going
to be. And then once there's an aggression, by the way,
between two dogs and now if they say they know
each other, well two of them are puppies, well, if
that happens, then now they have to get out of
their minds. They have to go back to positive experiences
with this dog, because if they see this dog again,
they be ready to attack the fight. So you may
have to give them a time out for a while
from each other and reintroduce them, but not with a
lot of noise and stuff going around when it's just
the two of them, and hopefully get back to that
situation where they're doing great. And I answer one more question,
and then we've got puppies learning how to be that's
a good one too, And Eloise is, by the way,
a great trainer. Puppies have to learn to behave and
it's like with any even little kids. So they know
an older dog right and they get warning. But if
the puppies don't know how to listen, so we need
to sometimes be there prepared to intervene and say yes, Vicky,
thank you, all right, hi Foster Okay, let's go that
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Speaker 2: We're back here live at that Life Radio. We're talking
about iv d D intervertebral disc disease and is there
a genetic component? How much can we know about it
to maybe prevent breeding and dogs that have it? We
do know certain breeds are notorious for it. I mentioned
the long back dogs like the Corkis, like the doctions
and by the way, Corky's and doctions also have a
high predosition to being overweight, so all that's doing is
predisposing them to Some of the already have a genetic predisposition.
Now we put on added weight, no wonder what happens.
And the same thing with French bulldogs. We're seeing a
large amount of fronties with this disease, having surgery, etc.
So obviously I don't know if there's a test for
it yet. I don't know if they've discovered the gene
or genes that are responsible. But I do know if
you have a line of dogs that are throwing IVDD.
It's the same thing with German shepherds with degender mylopathy.
We know what happens, but do we know the connection
from the genetic problem to the actual disease itself. Is
there a genetic predeposition? I don't know. I don't know
if anybody knows. I don't know if it's been tested yet.
But it's just when something happens with certain breeds that
obviously the simple thought would be yes, it's got to
be somehow genetic, but we we don't know how identify it.
We don't there's no test that can say, oh my god,
this dog has it, Therefore this dog should never breathe
so or does it take both parents? Is it a
abdominant or is it a submissive trait? We don't know.
So we just don't know. So we have to be
really careful to make sure that if you know a
dog has it. It's like crypt orchidism in a dog.
Nobody wants to breed a dog that is in mon
orchid or crypt orchid where the testicles don't descend because
they know that it is passed on, but it can
be passed on. Do we need both? All right? So
the hard part is there's too much we don't know.
We know what we know, but we know there's a
lot we don't know, at least know yet. So I
would avoid breeding a dog that well, first of hopefully
they're s maade neuter anyway, but I avoid breeding a
dog that whose offspring has shown to have IVDD and
at least maybe that may be something we can do.
So at what age should we start using glucosamine? You know, again,
as I mentioned, there's no data to support that even works.
The only data is coming from the clients, the pet
parents who are saying they've seen a change. So it's
what we call empirical data. We have not proven it scientifically.
There's been no study that I know of, because it
would be very expensive to do MRIs or cts on
these animals. Radiographically, Apparently we don't see much of a change,
if it change at all, But the pet parents are saying, no,
I see a change in my dog. So if you
have a large bee dog, especially a dog that we
know has a tendency towards displaysure some sort of arthritis,
and we know that the parents have had this problem,
then you could start it anytime. There's no downside, no
studies that I know of that show a problem with
using glucosamine, condroit and MSM. I have my dog on
my big dog, my labrador, every day and he does fine.
So I would say by the time in the middle age,
maybe five six, if they start showing signs before that,
or or if you take an X ray for some
reason and you already see arthritis starting, or you see
poor confirmation of the hip joint or the knees with
whether it's media patella luxation, whether it's cruciate you know ligament,
whether it's whatever, then I would start it whatever it is.
I don't think it's a downside again, that's just me.
Oh it's a rescue cat. Well, you know, yeah, I
get If it's a rescue cat, then look, is pregnice
alone better than nothing? I think so? So do it?
See what happens eachy dog beside typical shots? Chewing and headshaking,
scratching three yearld black lab Okay, So what is better
for an itchy dog besides typical shots? It's chewing? Headshake? Ah,
startfall if it's headshaking and scratching, okay? And chewing chewing?
What chewing? Skin? Chewing feet? If it's feet and headshaking
and scratching. I would put food allergies on my list.
I think that's very important because when we have face, feet,
and ears almost three f's, then think of food allergy.
There's a third F. So this time of year, a
lot of allergy is going on. It's fleas. Ears are
often yeast infection also predisposed from by allergy. So you
have to look at the ears, have the ears clean,
treat the ears. When he says typical shots, are we
talking side of point? I don't know. Are we talking corticosteroid?
That's important to know. But head shaking, well, I think
the ears is part of the head shaking. So and
a three year old lab I mean that's when allergies
can start easily. If the ears are bad, the rest
of the body isn't that bad, and you're already on
flea control and there's no obvious signs other than the
ears in head, I would think I said, I would
think food. Otherwise, the allergy treat for allergy should help
as well. Bathing labradors get dry skin, so all of
these can contribute. And most importantly, is it seasonal? If
this wasn't happening in the winter, then I'm thinking seasonal
allergy has nothing to do with food, because unless you're
changing food seasonally, then it would most likely be allergy.
Seasonal allergies if it's year round, think of some sensitivity
hypersensitivity as something in the house, something that they're always
exposed to, or of course they're food. So you have
to work it out, work it up more, but be
very specific. When you see a veterinarian, you want to
actually get a really thorough history, and those are the
things they want to know. Has anything change in the environment,
Is this seasonal or is it not seasonal. Is the
dog shaking, is rubbing its face on the carpet for example?
How are the teeth? Are there fleas? What does the
rest of the skin look like. So these are things
that are very important to determine whether or now. Mind you,
of dogs that are allergic, only about fifteen to maybe
twenty percent is it food related. So food is not.
It's over diagnosed. It's not as common as everybody thinks,
but it could be real. So you may want to
talk to your veterinarian about a modified diet, something that
is a protein diet that's novel, so novel protein and
single anigen. So novel protein means a new protein, probably
something the dog has never been exposed to before. I
mean weird proteins like bison and venison and rabbit and
kangaroo and alligator and salmon and cod and salapia. Stay
away from poultry and beef all right. Duck is a
good one, so you want to get them on slowly
and look for food with own eat one anigen protein anigen,
and only one grain. Stay away from corn and wheat.
Those are overrepresented. They've been exposed to it for too long.
So look for even rice I'm not a big fan of,
but quinewa, barley, oats, vegetables, green pea, sweet potato, potato.
So there are many other things that you can do
that are carbs and proteins that the dog has probably
never been seen before, and therefore, if he's never been
exposed to it, he's most likely not going to be
allergic to it, at least not yet. After six months,
you never know. It can happen again. Okay, speak of anilclans.
If a dog gets anogams done but it's still constantly
scooting no worms five months or what's wrong? Ah, So
again some dogs. In fact, I'd be doing one coming
up pretty soon. It is just the dog and we
therefore may need to remove the anal glands, kind of
like removing skunk's clans. And if it's continuing all the time.
Normally dogs are able to release evacuate their glands when
they defecate, but if the anal secretion is super thin,
or they don't have that sphink or muscle at the
end of the bowel movement to really push it out,
this is what happens. And also maybe have your veterinarian
or your veterinary staff to the end. When you take
it to a groomer, they're doing the easy way, which
is just glanned against clan. It's not as effective the
digital technique. You go, put a glove on, go up
the butt and do one gland at a time. That
is a better way, more efficient way to esplice the
anal glands. You might want to do that first before
deciding whether or not you need to be more aggressive.
That's what I think. And Steph, how you doing? I
hope you're still there. Husband's skeptic about dogs in an
anyone's express Oh if it's never done, then no, some
hot stuff. Trust me. You need to have it done,
and have it done by your veterinarian.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I don't know why there's skeptical about getting anal glands expressed,
but sometimes it's a vicious cycle. If you don't do
it and they start to fill up and build up,
the fluid part of it gets resorbed, leaving a very
thick impossible to release by itself, anal discharge. So you
got to get them clearly expressed, expressed well, and then
start making a decision about what to do how to
do it, so I would one hundred percent do it, Okay,
I think we got them all right. If there's anyone
I missed, please send me a note. We will do it.
We'll take it. I'll be first what we do next week.
But right now we are over our time limit. When
I get dirty looks from Mark, I know it's time
to finish up. So anyway, thanks for joining me here.
You can always reach me if you have a real
problem during the week, you can reach me at DRGEF,
doctor Jeff at Petlife Radio dot com, doctor jeffordoctordeff dot com.
A million ways you can get me on air VET.
So however you want to get me, get me and
also do me favor. We have a great audience today.
Tell your friends. It would be great to have more
of your friends, more pet parents. I love talking to
pet parents. With a new crop of people coming in,
that's going to be a new crop of questions and
problems we're having and we can help people. If I
can help you, I'm helping somebody else at the same time,
and that makes your happy. So same back time, same
back town. I'm here next week and have a wonderful
week everybody, and we'll see you next week.
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