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We've not decided who's gonna start today, Grant, who wants
to go first? Do you want to?
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care, Dan, I'll go all right, go.
I have one for you from Mike. Clue number one
I'm not going to assign you a confidence percentage on
this one. I feel like that was unfair the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last time that I missed it, So I'm still upset.
Speaker 2: Right. Clue number one, I was a first round pick
out of Vanderbilt. Just keep giving Dan the college clues everybody.
Speaker 1: Who went to Vanderbilt. I was a first round pick
out of I feel like if you're going to start
with stuff like that, there should be a year or number.
Speaker 2: It's hard to because it really does cost you in
the one shot kill chance. Right. If you just can't
think of a Vanderbilt person off top, then sorry, you know,
I have no idea who.
Speaker 1: Went to Vanderbilt. I'm going to say.
Speaker 2: Where Jamal Mashburn go, Kentucky. You should have said Jared
Vanderbilt just because all right. Clue number two, Despite being
a lottery pick, I started only four games in my
first two seasons. It's actually a pretty good clue. Oh
that's it, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: I think we disagree. Being a lottery pick, they started
only four combined games their first two seasons.
Speaker 2: You've you've put the word combined in there, But that's
how I take it.
Speaker 1: Started four games a year so no more than eight
total starts after being a lottery pick out of Vanderbilt.
Who was brought along that slowly? Is a lottery pick?
Is that even considered slowly depending on how many minutes
they were playing? By any knowledge of college basketball whatsoever?
Speaker 2: It is the first rounder, it's not a lottery pick.
I can't remember if this guy was. I think it's
I don't want to give you any more information than that.
I was gonna say, I think it's close to the lottery,
but you shouldn't trust my memory on that. Jared Vanderbilt,
what if I had just given it away? You should
really say, Jared Vanderbilt, Jared Bayless, Arizona, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're pretty good that if you had that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm right. Clue number three. I
was traded to an Eastern Conference team ahead of my
third season and immediately started sixty games.
Speaker 1: Traded to an Eastern Conference team ahead of their third season,
and then immediately just started sixty games. This doesn't mean
it's like, no details other than transactions happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm going to interject, sorry, Mike, and say you
don't there's nothing in the wording of this clue that
suggests this person was in the West and traded to
the East. It's just this person. So don't assume that
I'm not telling you which conference this person was in,
but it's not worded that way to me. It's just
like once I, once I got onto this team that
is in the East, I started sixty games in my
third year. That's how I would That's how I would
frame it.
Speaker 1: Who got traded early on and then immediately just became
the starter. I'm assuming it has to be like in
the semi recent past. I'm drawing complete blank. I don't
have like it's hard because you don't know when we
are right, right, this is tough. I should oh that
guy was I was about to name someone who wasn't
even trade He's still on the team that drafted him.
That would have been a banner moment for yours, truly,
the the the yeah, you just give me the next clue.
Speaker 2: All right, clue four. In my first season as a starter,
I averaged ten points a game, shooting league average from three.
That's all you get?
Speaker 1: The fuck? All right? So they were playing I'm trying
to think of just so it was a first round
pick that was traded clearly on his rookie scale deal,
and then he became a starter. What is just I
don't have a good reference of when there's just so many,
there's no one's coming to mind because the criteria. So
I mean, if I had any idea of like who
went to Vanderbilt, this would be a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know this guy went to Vanderbilt. You
need a year, and I frankly keep going, Well, clue four.
All right, I think you've got nine clues. I think
around six, so we're starting five here, six. You might
start to zero in clue five. The next season, I
fought injuries but still started forty seven games, shooting forty
two percent from three and averaging the most minutes in
my career to that point at twenty eight at night.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight minutes a night, shooting forty two percent from three.
Dealt with injuries, though I want to pretend that that
somehow narrows it down.
Speaker 2: For minute, This is hard.
Speaker 1: So what did did they? Was the scoring average? In
that one I was just shooting forty two percent from three.
Speaker 2: You got a scoring average of ten points a game
in that first season, So which would be this player's
third career year, third career season, first on that new
team in the East.
Speaker 1: I give me clue five.
Speaker 2: Okay, clue six. I think of this as being like
kind of a defining feature of this player. It's something,
it's something that is discussed often about him. So clue six.
Despite being six five, I've logged most of my minutes
at either small forward or power forward.
Speaker 1: Okay that yeah, that should be PJ Tucker. Uh No,
PJ Tucker averaging ten points a game. That's a that's
a good one.
Speaker 2: Not that early in his career. Probably, well, he's got
to have some mid teens in there.
Speaker 1: Somewhere, six five playing small forward or power forward. When
to vendor built, Why do I still have no idea?
Who were like some small wings and that defined What
defined them is that they played the wings while being smaller.
Who is that? Greg? Could you tell me?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at the name, so I could.
I feel like that would defeat the purpose of you guessing.
Speaker 1: Though shot forty from three, Yeah, I guess. Give me
a clue seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, clue seven. At this point you might think that
I'm Grant Williams, and on the heftier side, I'm not
I'm only listed at two hundred and fifteen pounds, only
two hundred and fifteen pounds. Well, so six five, two
fifteen playing the three in the four, I would I'm
gonna help a little tending to guard those guys because
it's like and it's like, that's what we talk about him.
I don't I I'll shut up.
Speaker 1: Javonte Green.
Speaker 2: No, I don't hate that guess at all though.
Speaker 1: Carry on.
Speaker 2: I'm at eight clue eight. I fought injuries in twenty
twenty five. So here we are. We know when we
are now, uh and am on pace to barely finish
half my team's games. So you know you're dealing with
someone that is playing now.
Speaker 1: And barely playing in half their team's games. Just run
through the entire roster, Run through the entire uh NBA.
Speaker 2: He goes, Yeah, hold on, let's posit, Dana. Ask the
cycle through four hundred and fifty players and filter out
the ones that played at least forty two games.
Speaker 1: Well, like someone who's injured should kind of come to me.
Uh So they're on pace to play fewer than forty
two games this year. They're sure. They just were smaller
and they defend threes. And fours. Is it? No, this
is not a good enough shooter for that man. I
feel like they shouldn't be that hard. Yeah, you just
give me the final clue.
Speaker 2: All right? So, uh clue nine. That trade from clue
three was for Malcolm Brogden. So to refresh your memory,
this guy was traded to an Eastern Conference team ahead
of his third season and immediately started sixty games after
getting traded to this Ye Smith, what did you say,
Aaron Smith?
Speaker 1: That's correct, you got it. That is not you know,
I know that's the defining skill, but I that's I
don't think I ever would I would have needed to
know that he went to Vanderbilt. I think, Okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was projecting, because that's always like, oh we talk about
Aaron Eastman. It's like that guy's just a little too
small to be guarding your Jason.
Speaker 1: Tas not like he's not like outlier small for guarding
if you look at positionally, I think he's guarded mostly
threes this year, So I know.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Siakam being there has sort of changed
that a little Biteah. For a while, it was like, God,
the Pacers just need a little bit bigger wing. You know,
like because Nismith is over tax having to guard those guys.
I'm I'm super impressed because having eight of the nine
clues seven of the nine just not tell you when
you are is brutal. That's so good job, Mike, you
got he got it on the last clue. That's how
you know. It's a good guess of player.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for yours? Sure? This one comes from
b Rich Clue number one. I was a top eight
draft pick in the early two thousands after playing my
freshman year at a university in the United States.
Speaker 2: Thank you, top eight early two thousands, Tyrus Thomas.
Speaker 1: That is it is not him? Okay. We're also going
to assume that I know who it is because b
Rich the answer in the field where it says the
player is, it says you guess it, Dan, Okay. Just
so everybody knows what we're working with here. That's the
type of psychoticism that we're dealing with.
Speaker 2: So this time I should have mentioned this at the top.
My approach is to not consider the questioner I am
this is just from a random person, because I've psyched
myself out on Marco Bellinelli too hard last time.
Speaker 1: From now on, maybe we shouldn't reveal who sent it
in until.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good idea. I would appreciate that personally.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I don't know who this one's from.
Grand you can unring the bell.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I averaged thirteen point four points per game my rookie
season fighting for shots with Ricky Davis. I shot thirty
seven percent from the field on the year. Our team
won seventeen games and won the lottery.
Speaker 2: Oh so this could be Cleveland, this could be la.
A rookie average is thirteen a game on a terrible team,
a top eight pick with Ricky. Ricky Davis is on
a lot of teams, but it was probably on quite
a few that won at window. Okay, early two thousands
went to college. Thirteen a game as a rookie is
not nothing. No, so let's just say.
Speaker 1: When Ricky Davis is on your team getting Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of shots to go around there.
I don't think this is right. This feels too I'll say.
I'll say Quentin Richardson.
Speaker 1: No, that's a good guest. Though.
Speaker 2: I like that They're thirteen is maybe high.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty dan Quent Richardson get drafted out of high school,
not a university.
Speaker 2: No, Darius Miles, Did I want to guess a CALVS guy?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Since I decided that it's one of those two teams,
probably erroneously, what kind of rookie so they get the
first pick?
Speaker 1: I wonder if that first.
Speaker 2: Pick would have ended up being that's probably too early
for Kyrie just barely.
Speaker 1: What was the year?
Speaker 2: Late two thousands, early two thousands, early two thousands? All right,
let's all how many clues do I have?
Speaker 1: Total? You have? It looks like six or seven and
this was clue number two.
Speaker 2: How's about we just do clue three?
Speaker 1: Clue three. My second year was hampered by both injuries
as well as losing minutes to one time Rookie of
the year Lebron James.
Speaker 2: Okay, unlike Jerry Stackhouse who had several great campaigns. Yeah, okay,
losing minutes to Lebron. So this needs to be a
front court guy. Probably early two thousands to Ricky Davis. Yeah,
we're for sure in Cleveland obviously, guy who would have
been a rookie that average thirteen at that point and
like a front court guy. Oh uh, what is that
person's name Dan that I'm thinking of? To tell me
who I'm thinking of right now? All right, here you go,
damn it. Uh, I don't have it. I don't have it.
Speaker 1: Clue four. My son was a McDonald's All American in
twenty twenty three and was recently bounced from the NCAA
tourney tourney. Excuse me, his shooting splits are remarkably similar
to mine.
Speaker 2: Uh Carlos Boozer.
Speaker 1: Nope, Oh, I felt really good about that.
Speaker 2: I guess his suns aren't in college yet. So wait?
He was this? This player had a son who was
an All American in twenty three but was but was
just recently bounced from the tournament. Correct, huh so this
is a good Oh No, that can't be right. I
was gonna say Jason Richardson, but that is not right. Yeah, okay,
thank you, because watching Jace Richardson from Michigan State made
me feel incredibly old. So who the hell was on
Cleveland averaging thirteen as a rookie whose son is a
very good college player? Now, who's not named Carlos Boozer?
The third? I'm so hung up on thirteen as a rookie?
There can't all right, what's the next clue? Please, clue five.
Speaker 1: My last season with Cleveland was decimated by health problems.
Ultimately I signed with the Western Conference team. Shot one
hundred percent from three on one attempt in seven minutes
of action my last NBA game.
Speaker 2: No, that's not gonna help me.
Speaker 1: Because I know your recall is terrible. I don't think
the last clar is gonna help you out.
Speaker 2: Oh great, Uh so it's just the Calves thing, the
early two thousands Calves who was on that team? Because
the Ricky Davis is very early in the Lebron.
Speaker 1: Thing.
Speaker 2: Man, I think Bill's gonna get me twice here. Who
is on Cleveland that's got a kid in college?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 2: I mean Williams is in the area. So I'm not
guessing Mo Williams, which is.
Speaker 1: Good because we give you a limited number of guesses,
you know, right, Should I.
Speaker 2: Just start naming every Zadronisolgowskis he's not losing minutes to
Lebron Uh Channing Fry, Nope, he was not there. Then
doesn't have a kid in college? Well he's your biac
as far as I know, did not have a kid
in college. Oh all right, I'll take the last clue,
and then I'm just gonna agonize here.
Speaker 1: Clue number six, your final clue. Grant mentioned to me
in a recent Gap episode.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mentioned this person.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't think this clue is gonna help you,
because we know your memory is pretty good when it
comes to stuff matters of basketball. Yeah, it's Grant. Do
you remember what you just wrote about or talked about
last week? And he has? There is almost a short.
Speaker 2: Almost never do. The more recent it is the worse.
I am all right, Who the fuck is on these
Cavs teams? Can these terrible Calves teams? So you lose? Okay,
here's the thing. You lose all those games. Presumably that's
the pick that gets you Lebron, and then you lose
minutes to Lebron when he's a rookie. So we're pre Lebron,
we're mid Rickey Davis. Uh, it's not Antoine Jamison because
he was there later. It's not.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you ruling out all these people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why. I can't think of early
two thousands caves that were really bad. Alan Henderson, it's
much too late for him.
Speaker 1: That is an awesome guess, but that is not a
correct one.
Speaker 2: Dam more of a I can see him on a
basketball card in the in the black and blue calves jersey.
I think I don't know. I think I might have
to concede defeat here.
Speaker 1: If I told you they were if the clue seven
was they're a six foot two inch shooting guard.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that would make it interesting because I was
thinking of big guys losing minutes to Lebron or bigger
guys a six foot two inch shooting guard. Hmmm.
Speaker 1: The team who he signed with in the West for
that one game was the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's now. I'm just gonna be on till
he shot one for one from three.
Speaker 1: Best three point shooter in the history of the end greatest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh hmm. Jordan Crawford. Yeah, I don't think I'm
gonna I don't think the Warriors thing is gonna help
me because he signed there so they didn't trade. Yeah,
I don't think. I mean Dewan Wagner, but I don't
think he ever correct. Come on, Oh my god, has
it been that long since Dwan Wagner was in the league.
Speaker 1: Well, you had the exact year because you knew he
was a rookie. The year before Lebron, so you knew
this was like the two thousand, two thousand and two territory.
Speaker 2: But yeah, now, I vaguely do remember him being like
in Warriors training camp and talking myself into like, oh
the pedigree is there. That guy was so good.
Speaker 1: Do you remember mentioning him on a Guess a Player episode?
Speaker 2: Now that I said it, kinda, but I may have
just imagined that I remembered it.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, don't reveal. Don't reveal who's giving the clues?
Speaker 2: Remember, Okay, I'm not telling you anything. I've led clues
except the clues. This is one of them, and it's
the first of them. There will be as many as ten.
I led my team to the Sweet sixteen where we
lost to UCLA.
Speaker 1: These guys just college clues. I no year, no year.
Speaker 2: The next clue I find very helpful.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, I led my team to the final four.
Speaker 2: Sweet sixteen, Sweet sixteen, see Dan in the college basketball tournament?
What they do? They do this thing once a year.
I forget what month it is, but they get all
these teams.
Speaker 1: They lost to Ucla. They weren't on Ucla lost to Ucla.
All right, No, then I got on the clue number two.
Speaker 2: I shared National Player of the Year award with the
now Lakers head coach.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is an important clue. I don't, oh way,
but shared it with JJ Reddick. Okay. I wonder why
we couldn't say JJ Reddick, right, Lakers.
Speaker 2: Just in case you didn't know who that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been embarrassing, JJ Reddick. What so, like,
what time frame is that they were National Player of
the Year. I guess in what is that two thousand,
two thousand and five. That's like you're in the ballpark, uh,
Jerry Stackhouse Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: Clu three, I was drafted in the top ten by
an Eastern Conference team. Also in this draft LaMarcus Aldridge,
Brandon roy Rajon Rondo, Paul Millsap, and Ronaldo Balkman. I
think Ronaldo Balkman is taking on Greg Buckner's status where
he just gets to be mentioned all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh, man, I should remember that draft. They were drafted
in the top ten. Mm hmm. Can you run back
to the names Paul Millsap, Bernaldo Balkman.
Speaker 2: All, LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy Rondo, Millsap, Balkman.
Speaker 1: Uh. That is that the Kevin Durant draft.
Speaker 2: Uh, No, we're too we're too early.
Speaker 1: National Player of the Year in college. Yeah, I guess
keep too early.
Speaker 2: I think I like your You had a shot on
the next clue hit me include number four. This team, uh,
to whom this player was drafted included players such as
Gerald Wallace, Raymond Felton, and a Mecca Okafour.
Speaker 1: So they went to the Hornets or the Bobcats, whoever
the funk they were at that point, and they were
a top ten pick one National Player of the year.
Adam Morrison correct, all right.
Speaker 2: Really good?
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I had I had some doubts because it's like Adam
Morrison is a little before, like it's a pretty early
one for your knowledge band. But four clues excellent job.
Speaker 1: Clue number.
Speaker 2: Five. Part Way through my rookie season, I lost my
starting spot due to poor defense and only shooting thirty
seven percent for the year. In two thousand and seven,
tore my ACL in a preseason game, putting me out
for this seven eight season. In February nine, I was
traded with Shannon Brown for Vladimir Redmanovich vlad Rad. Then
I won two straight championships with my new team, but
spent the majority of both seasons on the bench. I
forgot he was on those Lakers teams. Released after nine
to ten, played in Europe in eleven twelve. Final clue.
I am known for my mustache and hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got the weirdo creepy mustache.
Speaker 2: But I'm not there, are you.
Speaker 1: I really like this one for you. Who did that
come from?
Speaker 2: By the way, that was from Mattiel. Thank you for
reminding me.
Speaker 1: Nice job. Are you ready for this one for you?
Speaker 2: I'm as ready as I'm gonna get.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's not very prepared, I would argue then anyway.
Clue number one. I aspired to be a gymnast and
didn't pick up a basketball until the seventh grade. It's
a nice piece of trivia.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's exciting a gymnast. Yeah, is this bait
because it's like, oh, it's a little guy. I don't
know everybody everybody's little in their kids, Dan, I don't
know if you knew that.
Speaker 1: Inspired.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's like scratched. That's there's a
little tingly like who was a gymnast Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 1: No, okay, Clue two, and I'm going to combine two
clues here because I feel like they together. Clue two.
I was named mister Illinois in high school and signed
a letter of intent to play at DePaul University. Derek Rose,
that is incorrect.
Speaker 2: Uh so mister Illinois or what was it?
Speaker 1: I was named mister Illinois high school.
Speaker 2: And then signed a letter of intent to go to DePaul. Yes,
who is in Illinois. There's a lot of guys from there.
I feel like I should take one more crack at
chicag I'll just assume at Chicago. I don't know. That's
Tim Hardaway incorrect, Okay.
Speaker 1: Clue three. I was drafted in the top ten of
a draft that included future Hall of famers Pau Gasol
and Tony Parker.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, what is that like? Ninety nine ninety eight,
top ten? Oh that's a weird stretch. Uh uh top ten?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Why don't I remember that draft? Palgastol I think was
Palagasol like the third pick? Or was he number one?
All right, yeah, that's not gonna get me.
Speaker 1: There, okay. Clue number four. In my second season, I
led the NBA in field goal percentage, becoming the first
player from my team to do so since nineteen ninety eight,
let it in field?
Speaker 2: Did it get a year? Sorry in his first year? Sorry,
second season with in the NBA, second season in NBA.
Let it in field goal percentage?
Speaker 1: This is something is someone from his team and not
done since nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not keeping super tight tabs on who's leading
what team has had field goal percentage leaders?
Speaker 1: Uh, we're thinking.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking we're late nineties, maybe early two thousands.
Speaker 1: I will say your timeline is spot on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I feel yeah, Parker Parker helps, Gasol helps field.
So if field goal percentage, you got to assume it's
a big guy. But which really makes the gymnast thing?
Maybe you just grew and that's why you're sorry you're
not a gymnast anymore. But then that would seem to
be like a super athletic player late nineties. I feel
like it can't be Stromow Swift. No good guess though, Yeah,
I think he's also like Gasol and him both would
have been Grizzlies though. All right, next clue, please include
number five.
Speaker 1: When asked by a reporter in two thousand and three,
what I needed to do to become a better rebounder.
My coach simply replied, jump well Man going from gymnast
to won't jump for a rebound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we maybe we got a big fellow here.
Othella Harrington another good guess. Michael Sweetney another great guest.
Speaker 1: But no, hmm, ninety something it No, that's is it?
Speaker 2: So this is still the Illinois to Paul guy.
Speaker 1: He signed a letter of intent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. I don't like that at all. The
other Mark Jackson he was he was actually a really
good rebounder. That was like the only thing he could do. You,
Donnis Haslin, Nope, probably too early, Yeah, way too early.
All right, I'll take another clue, please, clue number six.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and four, two thousand and five, I
was hospitalized and missed the last thirteen games and the
playoffs of that season.
Speaker 2: Hmm. I thought I was gonna get the reason for
the hospitalization.
Speaker 1: There that I think would have given it away. Okay, uh,
I think you're gonna get it. On the next clue.
Speaker 2: Is Okay, what is his name? This can Eddie Griffin? No,
I think it's the late unfortunately, and it's the late
Eddie Griffin. Oh uh, No, I wouldn't be Well, what's
that guy's name?
Speaker 1: Well's name?
Speaker 2: I feel like I've named this player probably ten times,
and I always struggle to think of him. DeMar Johnson.
Speaker 1: No, not him, not him.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take another clue.
Speaker 1: Please clue number seven. After a disagreement about tests, I
was traded to the Knicks, included in the trade where
Antonio Davis, Mike Sweetney, Tim Thomas, and Jermaine.
Speaker 2: Jackson disagreement about tests.
Speaker 1: This is the clue I think I would have gotten
this on you do have three remaining?
Speaker 2: That's okay? Tests?
Speaker 1: Is I don't?
Speaker 2: I mean, is that like a peed test? Or is
it like a Oh was there a coach that was
like making guys take tests? What was that? Uh hmm,
Chicago guy late nineties, big guy, but didn't rebound. Oh,
letter of intent. It's not Eddie Curry.
Speaker 1: It is Eddie Curry. Okay.
Speaker 2: I like the letter of intent. That's good.
Speaker 1: That was a really good guess a player. This is
from Mattie l as well. The final three clues. After
up and down seasons, I was part of the three
team trade that brought Carmerlinan Anthony to the Knicks. I
ended up on a Western Conference team where I was
where I was bought out before playing a game. Clue
number nine. After this, I spent a season with the
Heat and then signed with the Spurs, but did not
make their final roster. I then signed with the MAVs,
but after two games I was waived to make room
for Troy Murphy. This marked the end of my NBA career.
Clude number ten. Notable teammates included Rose, Jamal Crawford, Fred Hoiberg,
Adrian Griffin, Othella Harrington, Matt Barnes, and Nate Robinson, among others.
You named two of the players that ended.
Speaker 2: It weird, right?
Speaker 1: I respect?
Speaker 2: It was the test like a conditioning test.
Speaker 1: It was. Wasn't that a hard test? Didn't you have
like Conjenial?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what, You're right, You're right? Okay?
Oh that man? Those that was a good That was
a good one. Matty El's two for two, I like
just sufficiently difficult.
Speaker 1: Do you have another one for me?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to side all right. I will not
tell you who it's from. Clue number one. I was
second team All Rookie one year after losing to the
Andre Miller led Utah Utes in the final four. I
unfortunately would never again be in the running for Rookie
of the Year. I feel like you know who it is.
Speaker 1: I know who it is now. They were second team
All Rookie. It was around Andre Miller times. This could
be in the ninety nine Was that Andre Miller's draft?
Or was he two thousand? Was he? Was it even
earlier than that? How old are we?
Speaker 2: You're in the neighbor hood second team?
Speaker 1: All I should be I should take a stab.
Speaker 2: You have to um.
Speaker 1: Antonio mcdyce.
Speaker 2: No, that's a good that's a good guess.
Speaker 1: H sounds like you're very paternalistic there. That.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I was trying to decide how good of
a guess.
Speaker 1: It was good job, good effort.
Speaker 2: But it was a decent guess. All right, Would you
care for clue number two?
Speaker 1: Yes? Please?
Speaker 2: So I did, however, win a six Man of the
Year award in my sixth season, my only season with
this Western Conference team that led the league in pace
an offensive rating, but got beat out in the first
round of the playoffs. That's Don Nelson teams for you.
Oh there you three your bone.
Speaker 1: Well, that means it's the Warriors of the MAVs. Right,
who is he coaching around this time?
Speaker 2: I feel like I read that badly. Let me give
it to you one more time. I did, however, win
six Man of the Year award in my sixth season,
my only season with this Western Conference team that led
the league in pace an offensive rating, but got beaten
the first round of the playoffs. That's don Nelson teams
for you.
Speaker 1: All right. I don't know. I don't even interpret that
any differently. So okay, I.
Speaker 2: Felt like it was clunky when I read it. It's
a good clue.
Speaker 1: Uh, sixth Man of the year, really fast paced team
was only on it was only on this team for
a year. Jason Terry, No, that's I like that. Guess
clue three?
Speaker 2: Please, okay three. In my sixteen year career, I averaged
eighteen and a half points and seven and a half boards,
and I was a two time All Star, both with
an Eastern Conference team I helped lead to the playoffs
four consecutive seasons. I repeatedly was bounced from the playoffs
by Lebron's Cavs.
Speaker 1: What was what year end of their career did they
reach seventeen?
Speaker 2: It's his average for his sixteen year career was eighteen
point five and seven point.
Speaker 1: Five for oh Okay.
Speaker 2: This is a career eighteen and a half point scorer,
seven and a half boards, Two time All Star, both
with an East team that Lebron's.
Speaker 1: Calves kept beating Al Harrington. No good, guess, I guess
keep them. Two time All Star. And I was about
to say Aaron Aflalo, that's definitely not him. Two time
All Star, one six Man of the year se.
Speaker 2: Yeah, six so, second team All rookie non seven and
a half rebounds. Uh Oh was one six man for
a Don Nelson team and then two All Stars in
an East team.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hate myself when I don't get this one.
I feel like I hit me with the next clue.
Speaker 2: He circles back to a college clue, devastating. Uh I
was traded on draft night for my college teammate, who
went one pick after me in the draft. My teammate
is in the Basketball Hall of Fame and has loads
of nicknames. I have none of these things.
Speaker 1: This might surprise you, Grant, but this does not help me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, whatsoever, I will interject. I would give it away.
Speaker 1: Two all stars they could rebound all right, played for
a Don Nelson team, but one six manut of the year.
You don't see people who could rebound normally win six
man of the year.
Speaker 2: That's really true. It's a weird. It's a weird combo.
Speaker 1: Who is it?
Speaker 2: What if one of these times do we just you
just got me?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, well, oh this is so bad.
Speaker 2: You have one more clue. I like your chances. I
can offer you additional clues after that.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I want to take one more stab,
but you've got it stripped up. Between six minutes of
the year in rebounds, I can't. There's no one that's
like springing to mind there. Yeah, I guess you're gonna
have to give me the next clue.
Speaker 2: This should help. The teams I am most associated with
are the Warriors, Wizards, and Cavaliers. I also have a
non traditional way of spelling my first name.
Speaker 1: Team associated with the Warriors, the Wizards, and the Cavaliers.
And they're two time All Star.
Speaker 2: And the two time All Star happened with an Eastern
Conference team, so you know it wasn't the Warriors. And
you know Lebron's calves were beating this guy, so you
can zero in on where he was winning those All
Star knots.
Speaker 1: The Wizards, apparently, But why am I not? Wizards cheese?
Two time All Star score a lot rebounded somehow non
traditional spelling of the first name. I don't have it
all right.
Speaker 2: I can offer some additional clues. I'm pretty sure this
guy scored over fifty points in two consecutive games, and
in one of them, Kobe also had fifty for the
other team.
Speaker 1: Why don't I know this? This can't be. It's not
Gilbert Arenas, right.
Speaker 2: No, you're getting warmer. The player that he his college teammate,
who went one pick after him and he was traded
for on Draft night is Vince Carter.
Speaker 1: Who's teammates with Vince Carter.
Speaker 2: He starts his career with the Warriors and then goes
and then goes to the Nelly team where he wins
six man. Actually can't remember who he was for, if
it was even a trade.
Speaker 1: No, you're gonna have to reveal I got nothing.
Speaker 2: It is Antoine spelled Anton Jamison. I had a weird career.
Speaker 1: I thought he could rebound.
Speaker 2: He was like he was uniquely skied, just the super
unusual player. He he was so good at getting an
offensive rebound and like putting it back up on the
way up, and it would always surprise people. He was
just a deeply strange player. He was basically like a
center that was not a center size, and then learned
how to shoot threes. I think I think when he
was six man is when he made a bunch of
threes too for Dallas. That's a that's a good set
of clues.
Speaker 1: There our final guess a player for you. Are you ready, yes, sir,
clue number one. Somehow I went undrafted in the much
maligned twenty thirteen NBA draft.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, who is in the two thousand and is that? That?
That must be the Bennett draft.
Speaker 1: That is, in fact the Anthony Bennett draft. That is
still the most shocking reaction to a number one pick
that I could remember.
Speaker 2: That's the first draft I was working for BR I think.
Speaker 1: I did things about Anthony Bennett.
Speaker 2: I probably had no idea about Anthony Bennett and but
was still surprised. Okay, undrafted in twenty thirteen, Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go ahead clue too. Seriously, if
you look at who was taken, I'm probably like the
fourth or fifth most accomplished player from this class.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I mean I should have assumed it was
a good player if we're talking about him who was
undrafted in twenty thirteen. Hmmm, Goran Dragic.
Speaker 1: No good guess though, I think he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew. Okay, next clue, please clue three.
Speaker 1: AnyWho I landed as a rookie with the Rockets playing
seven games Rockets undrafted? You're gonna if you want to
try and get like the three shot kill here, do it.
You're gonna get it on the next clue.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I'm feeling Rockets twenty thirteen undrafted. What
else was in that clue?
Speaker 1: Uh? He played seven games?
Speaker 2: So okay, seven games undrafted, Rockets twenty thirteen. I feel
like I'm close in my brain.
Speaker 3: Mm omer Ashik, No good guess though, I want to
take one more shot at it. Uh, Danaus maudy Unis.
Speaker 1: Not a good guest. But no, Uh wasn't he like
a high pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think probably was. I was trying to think
of Rockets from roughly that time. Oh, what is the
other guy who I always associate with? Maudy Unis who
turned out to be a nove a good person who
was also a forward. I'm sure you'll think of him.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I know who you're talking abou you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm thinking of. I can't think of his name.
I can picture him.
Speaker 1: It's not him. Okay, that's again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that guy's name? Okay, we'll move.
Speaker 1: He's white.
Speaker 2: No, it also qualifies, though. He was like a top
ten pick I think, or maybe top twenty. Okay, I'd
really like to get it before the clue. I'm supposed
to get it on.
Speaker 1: That or you're gonna look like an asshole. But you
don't get on this.
Speaker 2: Anyway, somebody wins, all right, the next clue, please clue
number four.
Speaker 1: You have nine, by the way, Oh, clue number four.
An opportunity presented itself in year two with the god
awful Process Sixers, where I'd share the court with names
like fer con Aldemir, Henry Simms, Hollis Thompson late career,
Jason Richardson, and Jeremy Grant before he learned how to shoot.
Speaker 2: Undrafted to process is kJ McDaniels.
Speaker 1: No good guess though, and kJ McDaniels is my homie.
He doesn't know it, but we're homies.
Speaker 2: Undrafted Rockets to Process sixers. Who else, sorry, who else
was on that that team?
Speaker 1: Fer con Aldemir Lake career, Jason Richardson, Henry Sims, Hollis Thompson,
and Jeremy Grant before he learned how to shoot.
Speaker 2: Mmm, this hurts. This hurts. Undrafted to the Rockets.
Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed in you.
Speaker 2: I know goes to the Process sixers. Well, if I
don't know the Rockets part, then it's just hard to
name Process sixers. But this guy got what was the verbiage,
like spread his wings or got a chance to do something.
Speaker 1: Uh, an opportunity presented itself.
Speaker 2: Fun ah man who was like halfway decent in or
productive on the process. That's early process.
Speaker 1: Well, this one is definitely making the YouTube cut now
because I.
Speaker 2: Should just know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, this is one. I think the listeners
are gonna be screened.
Speaker 2: They're yelling at They're yelling right now, Undrafted Rockets. I
feel like I'm losing my touch. Do you feel that way?
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not as good at this anymore.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna need another clue.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Clue number five. I was been four and a
half seasons with the sixers before being traded for a
malcontent who has been traded a few extra times since then.
Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like Jimmy Butler was the mal content,
although who can say so this guy goes to Minnesota
after being undrafted. Look, I'm just and there. You're probably
yelling louder now, like why don't you why don't you
have this?
Speaker 1: You're exceptional at puzzling out the order of operations without
knowing who's right.
Speaker 2: Just I'm all over it. I just can't think of
the person who's undrafted is good on the process sixers.
I'm blinking so hard on it, like I can think
of like, oh, Michael Carter Williams, I said kJ McDaniels.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this counts as a clue, but
if you don't get it, I feel like you're going
to hate yourself. Okay, cool, Well, way ahead of you, Dan,
I'll just keep going.
Speaker 2: I know I got like three or four more clues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got four?
Speaker 2: Okay, clue six.
Speaker 1: I spent a full season with a Western Conference foe
before being traded back to Houston in a four team,
twelve player deal.
Speaker 2: You know, I never remember that stuff. It's not a
Western Conference foe like of the of the team that
he was traded to, the Malcolm traded to for the malcontent.
I guess that's that I'm getting farther away from it.
I feel like I got to focus on undrafted twenty thirteen,
ended up being one of the best players in that class.
Doesn't play for the Rockets though, Process sixers. This is
so annoying. Why can't I think of any Process sixers.
I feel like I'm getting farther away, but I'll ask
for the next clue, please.
Speaker 1: Clue number seven. I was then traded during COVID for
Trevor Ariza, Isaiah Stewart and a conditional.
Speaker 2: First everybody was traded for Trevor a Resa. So we're
going to Detroit now, is it?
Speaker 1: Bobon No, No, we're too late.
Speaker 2: I don't like the tone of your no, like you're
way off, buddy.
Speaker 1: Oh god, ever played for the Process, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I can. I can picture him on the Sixers,
not the Wolves though. That was a terrible guess. Oh
god damn it. Yeah, now it's all now, it's all
running together, all right. Next clue please, and then I'll
agonize some more.
Speaker 1: Clue number eight. I got to play with my new
team for one hundred and eighteen games before then being
traded with Norman Powell to the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Norman Powell to the Clippers. Where did Powell come from?
Was he in Portland or Toronto from? So this guy
is has recently been on the Clippers or maybe is
on the Clippers? Oh uh? Is this Nick Batoon?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Oh shucks, he was probably a pretty high pick. So
he goes with Powell to the Clippers to say who for? No,
but was also went to Detroit. I guess with Isaiah
Stewart or for Isaiah Stewart. The Aresa thing's weird. I
don't think of a reason Isaiah Stewart being in the
same trade. This is awful, just awful that.
Speaker 1: I will say that clue is tough. In terms of
Trevor Aresa trades, that's one of the least memorable.
Speaker 2: Okay, what would you say the most memorable Trevor Reza
trade is.
Speaker 1: Uh the Wizards or the Wizards back to Phoenix, which
which order?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: All right, how I got one clue left?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think, well, I don't know if you'll get it,
but you'll know who the clue is referencing.
Speaker 2: You thought I was getting it on clue four, So
I don't look grit.
Speaker 1: You know that I'm pretty like Brighton, you know, peachy
Keen when it comes to you. But I'm pretty disappointed.
Speaker 2: And yeah, me too. It's just I'm not thinking of
the person. All right, Please give me my final clue
and then I'll go back to thinking about the Rockets and.
Speaker 1: Clue number nine, your final clue. I played fifty one
games for the Clippers before being dealt back to Philly
for another malcontent, this one of the fat suit variety.
Speaker 2: Fat super Okay, So it goes back to the Sixers
for Harden, fat suit Harden, so best just is good.
In the process, Sixers winds up back on the Sixers Houston.
This is so annoying, not great guess the player performances
from us. I'm really I'm so bothered. Like I said,
this is the thing, I can't even remember who went
back in the Harden trade. Yeah, I mean that's like
I should know it from that, right, I.
Speaker 1: Think you should have gotten this.
Speaker 2: I'm I really am still I never got past the
undrafted Rockets and then spreads his wing or I've decided
it's that got an opportunity on the process.
Speaker 1: The bonus clue would be he was kind of a wing,
so spread your wings was kind of a wing.
Speaker 2: That doesn't help, now I can give you.
Speaker 1: I'll try the other clue. So you had it right
when the Blazers timeline. You were saying, was Norman Powell
playing for the Blazers or the Raptors. He was playing
for the Blazers at the time. So this person was
on the Blazers and traded with Norman Powell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I was thinking he went to the clip Well,
he did go to the Clippers with Powell. I assume
this team, I think gave up two first round picks
for him to Minnesota. What for for an undrafted guy
gave up two firsts?
Speaker 1: I think it was two first I'll look at this.
Speaker 2: That's from the Blazers. The Blazers gave up two firsts
for this person.
Speaker 1: On a double chet. I know it was at least
one first.
Speaker 2: I'm getting more confused. Is that is that a problem?
Speaker 1: It might be, but yeah to oh wait, no, Portland
gave up was isay? It was? I guess it was
one first round pick that turned into Usman Garuba, Isaiah Stewart.
I'm pretty sure they traded him like Isaiah Stewart before.
It was like Isaiah Stuart's drafted number twenty overall in
twenty twenty, so I think it was they traded Isaiah
Stewart as a first ren so I was like two
first or Robert Covington. That was a big deal, but
that was he was on the Rockets at the time.
Speaker 2: So this player is Robert Covington.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know that's actually not as obvious as I
in my mind, I had built it up to be. Yes, okay,
so undrafted, sure, processed sixers kind of blocked out the
Wolves era of Robert Covington. But then yeah, back, oh man,
that's I don't feel good about that, Dan. I don't
feel like that performance was something I'm proud of.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna say to you. Okay, I agree,
you should be. You should be you should feel counting
in self loathing right now.
Speaker 2: I think collectively maybe our worst performance.
Speaker 1: It took us. This is why you should subscribe to
the audio audio feed over fifty minutes to get through
three guests of players each. This one did either of
us get you got one right, and I got one
right correct, and we were stumped in the AUDEA.
Speaker 2: You got Adam Morrison, I got Eddie Curry and somebody
see this is a perfect example. I don't remember who, oh,
Dewan Wagner barely got Dawan Wagner. Maybe this isn't for us.
Speaker 1: You would you like to take us out of here?
Speaker 2: Thank you for submitting your guests of players, thank you
for putting us through and really me, because Dan, you
did fine through this process. You can do that. So
we've got I don't know what would you call him
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