Speaker 1: Yuh, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Sunday Service, Episode fifteen,
Speaker 1: brought to you by Cold Conspiracy Podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Josh Monday from the Josh Monday Christian a conspiracy podcast,
Speaker 1: and today we are going to have a very special guest.
Speaker 1: He's returning guests for me for my other show, which
Speaker 1: I will do a swapcast. I will be releasing this
Speaker 1: on my show as well on YouTube and Spotify. But
Speaker 1: this is I thought this is important to kind of
Speaker 1: bring to the table. It's a subject that is very
Speaker 1: controversial for a lot of Christians. But John he you know,
Speaker 1: I know, he's a deep researcher and he actually wrote
Speaker 1: a book on this, which I will have him. Go
Speaker 1: ahead and shout out right now, John Kerwin, how are
Speaker 1: you doing, brothers.
Speaker 2: So good to see you again, my friend.
Speaker 1: Good to see you too here. Yes, yes, And every
Speaker 1: time I talk to you, I always feel like you
Speaker 1: have such a great personality and you're very happy and
Speaker 1: positive and happy go lucky like me. So this should
Speaker 1: be a fun episode, even though it's five in the morning.
Speaker 2: For me, Let's go thank God for coffee. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: for real, it's the sanctified Christian drug.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, So yeah, guys, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about the Mendela effect and how it has affected
Speaker 1: the Bible personally on this right now, probably because of
Speaker 1: you know, I got saved. You know, I've been obviously
Speaker 1: I believed in Jesus my whole life, but actually following
Speaker 1: him I would say probably twelve years ago, ten years ago,
Speaker 1: you know, something like that, but actually digging deep into
Speaker 1: the Bible maybe six years ago, and then really digging
Speaker 1: deep about four years ago. You know. So it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be as effective to me as it is to
Speaker 1: my dad's generation because these verses that you're gonna go
Speaker 1: over and my dad has actually like shown me before,
Speaker 1: but not as a Mendel effect, but it just sounds familiar,
Speaker 1: you know. And I didn't recognize the change myself, but
Speaker 1: when somebody points it out to me, it is it
Speaker 1: is kind of like, oh man, I remember it saying
Speaker 1: something different for real. But yeah, I just want John
Speaker 1: to kind of go over this, and I think he'll
Speaker 1: do a great job of it and have some great examples.
Speaker 1: So John, shout out your book, your YouTube and everything.
Speaker 1: Well they can get a hold of.
Speaker 2: You, all right, Yes, so of course this is a
Speaker 2: very polarized topic, very controversial, and my books are free,
Speaker 2: so this is not a book tour podcast thing. My
Speaker 2: ministry is by Faith Ministry, so we're listeners supported. You
Speaker 2: can find the books on wakeupor else dot com. My
Speaker 2: first book was called The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide. It's
Speaker 2: kind of a support book for people that have found
Speaker 2: out the moon landing is fake. Nine to eleven's fake,
Speaker 2: the Earth is flat. Whatever conspiracy rabbit hole you're down,
Speaker 2: and then your spouse and your children and your friends
Speaker 2: are not, and that creates a very very difficult chasm,
Speaker 2: relational chasm. It's very universe ferstly the same. But this
Speaker 2: journey included the Mandela effect. I discovered that the Federal
Speaker 2: Reserve wasn't federal about seven years ago. That started my
Speaker 2: journey down these different rabbit holes. But when I got
Speaker 2: to the Mandela effect, it was such a mind blow.
Speaker 2: But at that point my mind was open, and your
Speaker 2: filters come off and you're open to things you're already questioning,
Speaker 2: So it wasn't hard for me to accept this. And
Speaker 2: maybe I can start by giving some examples from pop culture,
Speaker 2: because that's how a lot of us saw it first.
Speaker 2: But then I'll get into the biblical examples in the book.
Speaker 2: The book that I've written now is called The Mandela Effect,
Speaker 2: Supernatural Bible Changes and the Doctrine of the Preservation of Scripture.
Speaker 2: And just to give some background my background as I've
Speaker 2: been in the full time ministry for about ten years
Speaker 2: as a youth pastor and worship leader with Dave Wilkerson
Speaker 2: in New York, and then another twenty years basically full
Speaker 2: time of lay ministry in different churches as a worship leader,
Speaker 2: and now I've been full time in the ministry for
Speaker 2: another eight years. So I'm not some guy that hates God,
Speaker 2: has a chip on his shoulder and he's cherry picking
Speaker 2: different obscure passages to try to make the Bible look bad.
Speaker 2: I'm an Orthodoxed Bible believer. I'm born again, I love Jesus,
Speaker 2: and I'm reporting on an event that was clearly prophesied
Speaker 2: in about four different places in the Bible that this
Speaker 2: would happen. And there's about six different places where God
Speaker 2: removed his word as a judgment. Amos eight eleven is
Speaker 2: one example. Amos eight eleven, God says I will send
Speaker 2: a famine but not a famine of bread. It'll be
Speaker 2: a famine of the Word, and men will not find
Speaker 2: the Word. They'll seek it, but they won't find it.
Speaker 2: So and lamentations too, is another one. There's four or
Speaker 2: five other times where God did this, So this is
Speaker 2: not heresy. I'll give you another a little heads up.
Speaker 1: There are large.
Speaker 2: Tracts of Orthodox Christianity which do not embrace the teaching
Speaker 2: that scriptures teach that the scriptures are preserved. So again,
Speaker 2: the suggestion that the Bible is changing is not heresy.
Speaker 2: So I am actually more orthodox than most Christians regarding
Speaker 2: requiring a strict adherence to the scripture. Let me give
Speaker 2: you an example. The name of my book is Mandelife,
Speaker 2: Supernatural Bible Changes and the Doctrine of the Preservation of Scripture.
Speaker 2: So let me let me just ask you, Josh, what
Speaker 2: is your understanding of the doctrine of preservation? Because in
Speaker 2: my experience as someone in full time ministry for decades,
Speaker 2: I never really looked into it. Really, what is what
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 1: Give me?
Speaker 2: Give me you just I'm put you on the spot
Speaker 2: a little here, Okay, it's.
Speaker 1: Okay, no worries. So well, I would say that I
Speaker 1: always say this in my bike, like in my Biblical
Speaker 1: cosmology episode that I use this phrase, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it might be hard to use now, but
Speaker 1: I always say that science changes like underwear, but the
Speaker 1: Word of God stays the same, you know, I say that.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I do notice. Okay, So here's
Speaker 1: here's a here's a prime example of what's happening trans
Speaker 1: translationally compared to the way you're saying. You're saying that
Speaker 1: it's supernaturally changing. So the word and the Book of Genesis, right,
Speaker 1: you go back to the King James Bible, you go
Speaker 1: back to the Geneva Bible. You go back, and that
Speaker 1: word that was translated firmament now has been turned to
Speaker 1: the word expanse and the New to living translation, which
Speaker 1: basically just compromises for science. It just says that it's
Speaker 1: an expanse, so that everybody could say, well, it's just
Speaker 1: space outer space, and it's not the actual solid firmament.
Speaker 1: So I see this happening translationally, right, That is happening
Speaker 1: where people are compromising for science in ways. I notice
Speaker 1: that because I dig deep into that subject and I
Speaker 1: like to go on shows and explain it, and I
Speaker 1: like to and I'm seeing it happen where the newer
Speaker 1: translations will compromise for certain things, and it has to
Speaker 1: be a ten percent change translationally for them to be
Speaker 1: able to switch to a different Bible. So I am
Speaker 1: seeing it that way. As far as the Mandela effect,
Speaker 1: that's that's something totally different.
Speaker 2: That's something The question was, what is your understanding of
Speaker 2: the doctor from the preservation? I stated, you stated the
Speaker 2: statement that we've all heard from the front of the
Speaker 2: room our whole lives. Yeah, this is the word of God.
Speaker 2: It doesn't change. So why why do you believe that.
Speaker 1: I believe that? Because I would say that, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to believe it because the Bible says it.
Speaker 1: And if the Bible says something different, then because I'm
Speaker 1: still the scripture. So if you come out with me
Speaker 1: versus that tell me that that God, that God does
Speaker 1: prophesize this, then I will believe it. But I would
Speaker 1: just think that I need to find it in scripture exactly.
Speaker 1: I would only want to give you an answer that scripturally,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to give you my personal.
Speaker 2: Opinion, so I want to I want your listeners to
Speaker 2: take note of something in your In your answer, you
Speaker 2: used three different terms. You use the Bible, you use
Speaker 2: the term the word, and you use the term the scripture.
Speaker 2: Now my question is do you believe that all three
Speaker 2: of those things are synonymous? Do they mean the same thing?
Speaker 1: I would say, well, God's word, yeah, I would say,
Speaker 1: but I mean you can use the word for Jesus
Speaker 1: as well, you know, so yeah, I would say that
Speaker 1: they're synonymous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that right there, my friend, is the revelation.
Speaker 2: Now you said you could do a screen share, do
Speaker 2: me a favor. One way you can see this is
Speaker 2: go to the Gospel of John chapter one and any
Speaker 2: version's fine, but let's pick maybe KJV. But it's all
Speaker 2: the same pretty much.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So John John chapter one in the beginning was the word.
Speaker 2: This is the most the clearest example of where the
Speaker 2: Bible tells us what the word is. What is the
Speaker 2: word of God?
Speaker 1: You want parallel or you just want this?
Speaker 2: Fine?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Just uh an, he just hit the KJV version. I'll
Speaker 2: at the top there you can see the different lines. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, So in the beginning was the word, and
Speaker 2: the word was with God, and the word was God.
Speaker 2: So here we have a very mystical description of what
Speaker 2: the word is because in all of our minds as Christians,
Speaker 2: whenever we read in the Bible the term the Word
Speaker 2: of God, many of us automatically convert that in our
Speaker 2: minds to mean the written word of scriptures in English,
Speaker 2: the Word of God is in our minds is the Bible. Okay,
Speaker 2: But here it's saying it's not the Bible. It's saying
Speaker 2: it's God, and God isn't your Bible? Isn't God? Right now? Okay,
Speaker 2: So what we're dealing with here, I believe is sloppy
Speaker 2: doctrine is as conflating these terms Bible, scripture and the
Speaker 2: Word have been thrown together. So what the Bible is
Speaker 2: is a collection of writings that we refer to as
Speaker 2: the scriptures, and the scriptures contain the words of God.
Speaker 2: Now I'm this is not splitting doctrinal hairs. This is
Speaker 2: very important semantics. And let me give you one illustration.
Speaker 2: I go into great detail in my book to convincingly
Speaker 2: show that these terms do not mean the same thing.
Speaker 2: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
Speaker 2: with God. Now let's say, if they're the same, these
Speaker 2: words should be interchangeable. So let's change this to in
Speaker 2: the beginning was the scripture, because if they're the same,
Speaker 2: they should be interchangeable. So I'll read it and you
Speaker 2: tell me if it bears witness with you. In the
Speaker 2: beginning was the scripture, and the scripture was with God,
Speaker 2: and the scripture was God. Now aim was the scripture
Speaker 2: was in the beginning with God. All things were made
Speaker 2: by the scripture, and without the scripture was not anything
Speaker 2: made that was made. Does that bear witness with you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: In the scripture was life, and the scripture was the
Speaker 2: light of men. No, it's a very simple test to
Speaker 2: show that these terms do not mean the same thing.
Speaker 2: And this was one of the most profound revelations to
Speaker 2: give us permission to consider this. Because at first glance,
Speaker 2: this is a very offensive suggestion. So let me address that.
Speaker 2: And I'm dealing with a lot of the underlying belief
Speaker 2: systems before we get into any examples, because people's arms
Speaker 2: are folded and they're not going to even consider the
Speaker 2: information because they see this as a terrible attack on
Speaker 2: God's integrity. So, first of all, the devil has not
Speaker 2: gotten the upper hand on God. This is the first
Speaker 2: offensive sentiment. Well, God doesn't have that much power, John, Well,
Speaker 2: of course, not unless God gives him permission. The thing
Speaker 2: that Christians aren't considering is that God is the one
Speaker 2: calling for this, as he did in Amos eight. Read
Speaker 2: Amos eight, I will send a famine into the land.
Speaker 2: This is God. Okay. Then you look at Job chapter one.
Speaker 2: God told Satan all that is in his hands is
Speaker 2: in your power. He did it twice Job chapter one
Speaker 2: and two. There's an example of where God gives Satan
Speaker 2: permission to mess with Job. You can see that in
Speaker 2: Revelation thirteen.
Speaker 1: And he has to ask for permission too. That's something
Speaker 1: that that's right.
Speaker 2: So he's a defeated foe. He's a dog gonna leash.
Speaker 2: I get it, okay. But this is God's judgment on
Speaker 2: his church. Why because for many of us, me included,
Speaker 2: we turned the Bible into an idol. We exchanged a
Speaker 2: relationship with the author for head knowledge and a miracle free,
Speaker 2: intellectual type of Christianity, which is a lot easier than
Speaker 2: the heart dealings of a holy God, where you're spreading
Speaker 2: your hands before heaven, you're lifting your eyes to heaven. No,
Speaker 2: because you're masturbating and you're addicted to pornography, and you're
Speaker 2: cursing and you have resentment, and you're cheating, and you
Speaker 2: have f bombs falling from your lips, and you know
Speaker 2: you're at odds with this Holy God. But yet you're busy.
Speaker 2: You're in church, you're at the men's meeting, you're in
Speaker 2: the Bible studies, and God knows you're in the game.
Speaker 2: Bless God. No, No, the Pharisees were devout. The Pharisees
Speaker 2: were extremely learned, but when God showed up, they didn't
Speaker 2: vibe with him very well. And now what you're seeing
Speaker 2: is the exact opposite of that, where the voice of
Speaker 2: God is being removed as a judgment from his scripture.
Speaker 2: It's becoming inaccessible, and the church isn't even recognizing it
Speaker 2: because it's so pharasitical, because we're so we're so given
Speaker 2: over to an intellectual Christianity. All we do is talk
Speaker 2: about him. We talk all the time. But Jesus said,
Speaker 2: these things I do, you too, they'll do not these
Speaker 2: things I've learned. And so what God has done is
Speaker 2: He's come to his church with this judgment to withdraw
Speaker 2: many many, many ministries use the Bible as a cudgel
Speaker 2: to keep God out of their solemn assemblies. Well, anything
Speaker 2: that's supernatural is branded as it's not decently in order,
Speaker 2: and it's not tolerated. And God's set up. He wants
Speaker 2: to come in and heal Sally's breath to her, but
Speaker 2: the church leader won't allow it because Sally might fall
Speaker 2: down and shake when God sends the two thousand vaults
Speaker 2: of healing power into her mortal frame. And the pastors
Speaker 2: don't like this uncomfortable feeling that they're out of control,
Speaker 2: and so they squell, they squelch it, and they look
Speaker 2: at study revivals for the last five hundred years, every
Speaker 2: single eyewitness account there's people falling down and shaking and
Speaker 2: laughing and crying, and there's animal noises and all kinds
Speaker 2: of messy stuff, right, and there's always this one group
Speaker 2: over here branding it as false signs and wonders or cundalini,
Speaker 2: or it's it's from the devil and it's the ultimate.
Speaker 2: It's actually the unpartable sin to brand the move of
Speaker 2: God as from the devil. That's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is, that is definitely blastmith holy spirit. Yep.
Speaker 2: They said this man does these things by the work
Speaker 2: of Yeah, and Jesus was like, God will forgive anything, okay.
Speaker 1: Except that, Yeah, he said, you're abopped across the lines
Speaker 1: if they can't push it on thathing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an incredible revelation. Yeah. And so so this
Speaker 2: is the uh, this is the problem that this is addressing.
Speaker 2: And I cover this in great detail my book. It's
Speaker 2: four hundred pages and it's free. Just go to wake
Speaker 2: Up orls dot com and download. You can get a
Speaker 2: copy if you want it on Amazon. But I'm I'm
Speaker 2: a ministry, so I don't. I'm not in this for
Speaker 2: the money, okay, please.
Speaker 1: Of course, bro, if I was, if I was podcasting
Speaker 1: for the money, then obviously I would just I would
Speaker 1: be full conspiracy, no Bible. I would try to you know,
Speaker 1: I would try to just pray, but a little maybe
Speaker 1: a little. But me, dude, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm not here for the money. Obviously. I have a
Speaker 1: full time job I have and I never if people
Speaker 1: like send some kind of money or something, what's in
Speaker 1: a great, great while, that's great. Definitely not here for
Speaker 1: the money either, bro. So yeah, that's that's that's like
Speaker 1: one of the things I read article on my show.
Speaker 1: They said, oh, we love his show, but the only
Speaker 1: thing that is is he he always brings everybody back
Speaker 1: to the Bible. So if you're not a believer, then
Speaker 1: you might be turned off by it. And I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad they wrote that. Exactly what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I try to use the conspiracy as debate to look
Speaker 1: to you know, lean people into the Bible and to God.
Speaker 1: Other people like Santos Bonacci, all these other guys. What
Speaker 1: they do is they use the conspiracy as debate to
Speaker 1: lead you away from God. And that's a problem, bro.
Speaker 1: So I'm here for that. I'm here to be that
Speaker 1: counterbalance where I'm like, hey, you know what, I'm here
Speaker 1: to lead you to God, but show you the real truth.
Speaker 1: Because you can go down every rabbit hole in the world.
Speaker 1: You know this, John, You could keep going and going
Speaker 1: and going and going, and then there's no answer at
Speaker 1: the bottom. We have the answer, bro, We have the
Speaker 1: answer on your show and my show man. We have
Speaker 1: the answer, bro, way the truth to life.
Speaker 2: Baby, sure over here, listen, thank you for that. Because
Speaker 2: Jesus all said, what if you know all mysteries and
Speaker 2: have not love, what profidence are you? You're nothing?
Speaker 1: He said, You're nothing.
Speaker 2: That's a low blow, like you're a lie clanging spell.
Speaker 2: That's what you are pal. So all these truthers don't
Speaker 2: lead to the ultimate truth, which is Jesus. Yes, I
Speaker 2: am the truth. The truth isn't a thing, it's a person.
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, and that's the thing. I think it's
Speaker 1: uh And you know what, No, No, I'm not bashing
Speaker 1: these these conspiracy podcasts because cult and Conspiracy is one
Speaker 1: of them. But they do have a Christian on there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're just and you know what, they're just searching.
Speaker 1: They're still searching, you know what I mean, searching, and
Speaker 1: I cannot I'm not gonna try to put them down
Speaker 1: for that. But what I will do is tell the
Speaker 1: audience that I can speak to that I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep preaching Jesus and I'm gonna keep trying
Speaker 1: to trying to lead you to God. You know, no
Speaker 1: matter how crazy they conspiracies are I talk about, I'm
Speaker 1: always going to tell you bring you back to God
Speaker 1: and show you who's the adversary creating any of the conspiracies.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, we know who the adversary is.
Speaker 1: It's the devil and he's behind it. And you guys
Speaker 1: are starting I know that there's a lot of conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories out there that we're not Christian before that are
Speaker 1: starting to see, okay, we see what's happening, and they're
Speaker 1: finally getting there, starting to read the Bible and understand
Speaker 1: the Bible is ready to you know, the Bible. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I was gonna say the Bible is
Speaker 1: alive and well, and it's like yeah, so it's just
Speaker 1: it's just amazing, bro, It's it's beautiful. And I think
Speaker 1: it's something that I see you doing on your your
Speaker 1: show quite well. And you know, going back to the
Speaker 1: healing thing, dude. The only problem that happened, John is,
Speaker 1: as you know, man is like some of the a
Speaker 1: lot of the charismatic and some of the people kind
Speaker 1: of took that and took advantage of it, you know,
Speaker 1: and it cost it costs like a giant uh. I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you do, because I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what your beliefs on that is. But kind of kind
Speaker 1: of turn it into what Jesus would do, like with
Speaker 1: the money changers and just flipped the tables over, just
Speaker 1: turned into a money thing, man, And that really probably
Speaker 1: caused it. That's the devil got involved in that and
Speaker 1: caused a bad rep for that, and then people started thinking, well, well,
Speaker 1: if a church does that, then they're probably part of
Speaker 1: that movement. And it's just like, dude, all these doctions
Speaker 1: and stuff is just yep, yeah.
Speaker 2: I call it miracle cancelation doctrines. I cover them in
Speaker 2: my book, Okay, I have like twenty of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and uh, you know, I was walking in the
Speaker 2: cul de Sac one time. I was praying about that thing.
Speaker 2: I was very discouraged about all of the excesses and
Speaker 2: the controversies in the Body of Christ regarding ministries that
Speaker 2: move in power, and the Holy Spirit spoke to me
Speaker 2: and never before did God ever call me by my
Speaker 2: first name except this time. So I remember this very vividly.
Speaker 2: I was walking and praying and I heard God say, John,
Speaker 2: you can't have a counterfeit without the real thing. Oh.
Speaker 2: It set me free, Okay, Because of course there's gonna
Speaker 2: be fakers, there's gonna be people that come in with
Speaker 2: bad motives. The faith prosperity people had a lot of
Speaker 2: revelation about the authority of the believer, the nobility of
Speaker 2: the believer, the authority that Jesus invested in us. Kenneth
Speaker 2: Hagen was on his deathbed and he got a hold
Speaker 2: of Mark eleven twenty three and Mark eleven twenty four,
Speaker 2: and God raised him up off his deathbed. And these
Speaker 2: people aren't afraid of the Holy Ghost. I'm almost rather
Speaker 2: hang out with the faith prosperity people than a bunch
Speaker 2: of cynical Christians that are terrified of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2: And they've locked themselves in the basement, and they're like
Speaker 2: Hank Hanigraph, the Bible answer Man. All they do is
Speaker 2: criticize every single thing that isn't perfectly decently and in order.
Speaker 2: It's not specifically delineated in their Bible. Well, guess what
Speaker 2: the Bible teaches us. Listen to this. The Bible teaches
Speaker 2: us that the Bible doesn't teach us everything Jesus said.
Speaker 2: You know, the scriptures say if everything that Jesus did
Speaker 2: was recorded in books, the world couldn't contain them.
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha.
Speaker 2: So we don't know everything Jesus said. If you do
Speaker 2: the will, you will know the doctrine. So much of
Speaker 2: what we learn of how to move in power, like
Speaker 2: Acts nineteen and God wrought strange and unusual miracles through
Speaker 2: the hands of Paul. You're not going to move in
Speaker 2: power out of your little peanut brain. Okay, if you're
Speaker 2: going to move in power and journey in the realms
Speaker 2: of glory and watch people healed of leprosy or down
Speaker 2: syndrome or the stuff that's really hard, right, really hard
Speaker 2: to get your head around, you're going to have to
Speaker 2: be operating on the edge of your comfort zone. To
Speaker 2: say the least, You're not gonna have at all all
Speaker 2: your theology lined up because God comes with signs and wonders. Okay,
Speaker 2: they make you wonder. You know it's God, but you
Speaker 2: can't believe what you're seeing. Your mind is, this is
Speaker 2: what God wants to do. He wants to astonish his people.
Speaker 2: What most church services, you know exactly what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You've got greet the people, two songs announcements, then you
Speaker 2: have one medium, you have two slow, one medium, three
Speaker 2: fast whatever, and then an offer torys Sister Beulah does
Speaker 2: tongues with interpretation, and then you have a forty five
Speaker 2: minute message and you're out by twelve eleven fifty five,
Speaker 2: so everybody can go to the diner and nothing ever happens.
Speaker 2: Most pastors have never cast a demon out of somebody
Speaker 2: on Sunday morning in forty years. Yeah, it's too messy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look at the Book of Exodus, which we're
Speaker 1: going over right now on Sunday Service, which everybody you
Speaker 1: know should if they're following along with the with the
Speaker 1: sermons that I'm doing on on this show that we're
Speaker 1: putting this out on. You see that God does that,
Speaker 1: you know, like he has to do that, like especially
Speaker 1: back then because they didn't have the Bible. But that's
Speaker 1: what he was doing. He was doing signs and showing
Speaker 1: them in a supernatural way that he is above all
Speaker 1: the gods, showing him that he's the King of kings, God,
Speaker 1: and he's constantly doing that. It's like a back and
Speaker 1: forth even though there's no like you know, the pharaoh
Speaker 1: has can't even you know, obviously can't even compeep whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But the pharaoh thought he was a god. So that's
Speaker 1: what he thought. He thought he had a God in him,
Speaker 1: and he was going against God, and God was just
Speaker 1: showing him, like every plague He's showing him like hey,
Speaker 1: I could I could outdo anything that any of your
Speaker 1: gods can do. And then some and then when it
Speaker 1: got to the when it got to the flies, they said, hey,
Speaker 1: we're out. The magician said, bro, we can't do that,
Speaker 1: and then bowen. He started doing more and more and more,
Speaker 1: and I got worse and worse. But and then also
Speaker 1: splitting the red sea. You know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: that's it's causing faith. You know, for us, it's faith
Speaker 1: comes by hearing the word of God. That's we're building
Speaker 1: faith and in a few other ways. But he's he's
Speaker 1: just it's it's it's constantly like that. He's showing them.
Speaker 1: And then what happens with us as humans And I'm
Speaker 1: not doubt I'm not saying anything because I'm a human too.
Speaker 1: And what happens, we just start slowly losing that faith.
Speaker 1: And even though you get this beautiful, uh miracle that
Speaker 1: God just did for you, and we start slowly losing
Speaker 1: the faith again, you know. So, yeah, I see that
Speaker 1: in the Book of Exodus for sure, exactly what we're studying.
Speaker 1: And also I see that with the book of Genesis
Speaker 1: to the very you know, when God's dealing with the
Speaker 1: people like Abraham and and yeah, so I think what
Speaker 1: I was trying to say there, when God gets involved.
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, but go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I mean the spirit of the Lord has been present
Speaker 2: to heal on our live streams. I just prayed for
Speaker 2: a lady named Trish who's.
Speaker 1: She's my moderator. Shout out to Trish Clark. She's actually
Speaker 1: my moderator from the.
Speaker 2: Way, because she says she's had a forty nine degree
Speaker 2: scoliosis her whole life. And I prayed for her. And
Speaker 2: then the next day or a couple of days later,
Speaker 2: she went for an X ray just happened to be scheduled,
Speaker 2: and there was a twenty degree correction and the doctor
Speaker 2: was like, I have no explanation for this.
Speaker 1: So this is this has been happening. She's been having
Speaker 1: these problems for oh yeah, like twenty years or something. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: And I pray right now in the name of Jesus
Speaker 2: for Trish's complete restoration right now, Father God just touched
Speaker 2: that spine and pushed the rest of it in. And
Speaker 2: for anybody that's listening, I pray right now for your
Speaker 2: sickness and disease, whatever it is. Just put your hand
Speaker 2: on your body wherever you have an illness, and I
Speaker 2: pray right now, Father God, go to those people in
Speaker 2: Jesus name with healing in your wings. I pray be
Speaker 2: healed of that affliction in Jesus name, whether it's a
Speaker 2: disease or an injury, whatever the condition is, is, I
Speaker 2: command a creative miracle upon you in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 2: All right, So let me go to some of these examples.
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right. Listen, we have too much fun. John,
Speaker 1: we started going and we get tricked. I know, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: We're not a shame to the gospel. It's beautiful, man,
Speaker 2: it's really beautiful.
Speaker 1: Let's go all right.
Speaker 2: So it took me seven years to figure this out
Speaker 2: because the first the most common objection to the idea
Speaker 2: that your reality is morphing. What's so preposterous, right, It's
Speaker 2: just so outrageous to try to suggest that things. What
Speaker 2: is the Mendel effect. It's the experience that millions of
Speaker 2: people are reporting now that the things that they vividly
Speaker 2: remember are no longer as they vividly remember. Like the
Speaker 2: monopoly guy doesn't never had a monocle. You gotta be
Speaker 2: kidding me. I played Monopoly a thousand times. Uh, what's
Speaker 2: the what's the in the Can we come back on
Speaker 2: the screen by the way, you got the screen share?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorry, go back to the normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just go back to bring out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yuh, and you like me Bro, I used
Speaker 1: the Chapstick Tube b of course podcast, I gotta have
Speaker 1: that No.
Speaker 2: White and the seven Dwarfs the witches in front of
Speaker 2: the mirror and she says, blank blank on the wall.
Speaker 2: Who's the fairest of them all? What do you remember?
Speaker 1: I remember? I do remember Myra miir on the wall.
Speaker 1: I do all right.
Speaker 2: Now, there was a sociologist that did an online survey
Speaker 2: with twenty five thousand participants and that answer got ninety
Speaker 2: three percent out of their own long term memory, ninety
Speaker 2: three percent said miror mirror. Now, what sociologists will tell
Speaker 2: you is anything over five or ten percent where people
Speaker 2: misremember the same way is unexplainable. And this was ninety
Speaker 2: three percent, And there's hundreds of these now. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: what I'm telling you is that this is not misremembering,
Speaker 2: it's people misremembering the same way. So you've got to
Speaker 2: get your story straight. If you're trying to suggest that
Speaker 2: the Mandela effect can be explained by men. The fact
Speaker 2: that the human memory is unreliable, and we're just befuddled.
Speaker 2: You're wrong, You're not accurate in your hypothesis. You're because
Speaker 2: you're not describing what's happening correctly. What's really happening is
Speaker 2: that we're all misremembering the same way. Now. I went
Speaker 2: to chat GBT and I asked this question. If I
Speaker 2: give people, if I get five people five different simple
Speaker 2: fill in the blank Bible quiz questions, what are the
Speaker 2: chances of them all getting it wrong the same way?
Speaker 2: And it came back just five. I've done it with ten,
Speaker 2: and it's even higher. But five was ten to the
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixtieth power. It's an incl kulably high number.
Speaker 2: It's impossible, is what it is.
Speaker 1: It's the same number of how far off we are
Speaker 1: in cosmology.
Speaker 2: Yep, you got exactly right. I heard that quote, all right,
Speaker 2: So understand what I'm trying to tell you. This isn't
Speaker 2: misremembering period. That idea is a fallacy. It's ridiculous, is
Speaker 2: what it's like to get your head around it. Let's
Speaker 2: say you pick a number between one and ten. Let's
Speaker 2: say it's four, and you go out on the street
Speaker 2: and you ask ten random people. Hey, I'm thinking of
Speaker 2: a number between one and ten, and the first guy
Speaker 2: says four, and the next guy says four, and all
Speaker 2: ten people say four. And then you do it again.
Speaker 2: You pick eight, and the next ten people all go
Speaker 2: eight in a all get it? Right? What are the
Speaker 2: chances of that? That's what it would be like to
Speaker 2: do what I'm gonna do right now?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: You ready? Yeah, there's some King James only ones. I
Speaker 2: want you to fill in the blame out of your
Speaker 2: own memory.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna for me. It's gonna be a problem
Speaker 1: because I've studied it already. So I but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what I before I studied it, what I thought,
Speaker 1: So go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you're you studied the different Bible changes
Speaker 2: that we think have changed a right, so.
Speaker 1: Not all of them. You could probably give me on
Speaker 1: some of them.
Speaker 2: Right, all right? Well, the two King James ones that
Speaker 2: are like mom and apple Pie are judge not blank?
Speaker 2: You be judged. Judge not blank, You be judge what
Speaker 2: comes to mind?
Speaker 1: Judge not I don't remember that one, King James. Yeah, judge,
Speaker 1: let's judge not less, you be judged. There you go, Okay.
Speaker 2: Now just came out of your mouth. I've been doing
Speaker 2: this for eight years. Okay, so I've gotten I don't know,
Speaker 2: hundreds of people to personally say what you just said.
Speaker 2: Anybody listening to me can do that. You can go
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world. It's probably a billion people will
Speaker 2: tell you judge not lest you be judged. The problem
Speaker 2: is that's King James. If you open your King James Bible.
Speaker 2: In fact, let's do that. Let's bring that up on
Speaker 2: the screen. Go to Bible Hub yep, because this is
Speaker 2: really important that you understand. Judge not lest you be
Speaker 2: judged has never existed in the King James Bible.
Speaker 1: Now, ok let me know if you see it that
Speaker 1: we want to make sure people get s Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: I could see it right. And so while you're pulling
Speaker 2: that up, it's not in the sixteen to eleven Cambridge,
Speaker 2: it's not in the any of the five revisions or
Speaker 2: the seventeen sixty nine Oxford. So it's not on it's
Speaker 2: not in the King James Bible on your coffee tables.
Speaker 2: It's not on any King James Bible in any any language,
Speaker 2: in any century, in any form.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me where verse it is.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sorry, it's Matthew seven to one. Then it
Speaker 2: nor is it in any version in nasn IV. It
Speaker 2: doesn't exist anywhere yet in the minds.
Speaker 1: All right, So I think you have the parallel right
Speaker 1: popped up.
Speaker 2: I think yes, Scroll down, scroll down to King James.
Speaker 2: Show everybody what King James says.
Speaker 1: Okay, it says judge not that ye be not judged.
Speaker 2: So judge not less g be judged is not there,
Speaker 2: and none of them. The only one that comes close
Speaker 2: is the one whoa NASB. Dude. Okay, so right, so
Speaker 2: this is what I remember. NASB is the only one
Speaker 2: that has a less in it. But you'll notice it
Speaker 2: says it doesn't say judge not less TV judged. It says,
Speaker 2: do not judge less you be judged. So that's the
Speaker 2: only one which is an obscure version. It's not like
Speaker 2: an implanted thought. Please please give me a break.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So what you have here is a mathematical impossibility. It's
Speaker 2: not improbable, it's basically impossible. It's ten to the one
Speaker 2: hundred and six power. Ten to the thirteenth power is
Speaker 2: like one in one quintillion.
Speaker 1: Olden is going down the list just.
Speaker 2: I really really want to land on this revelation because
Speaker 2: the human mind is so powerful to reject this because
Speaker 2: of your doctrine. Your doctrine, And we never really finished
Speaker 2: the conversation about the doctorate of preservation. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to go back there for a second and come back
Speaker 2: to these examples. The doctrine of preservation rests on two pillars.
Speaker 2: The first is the preservation promises, which I cover in
Speaker 2: chapter five of my book, seven of them in great detail.
Speaker 2: And none of them promise you that the word won't change.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, none of them promised that the scriptures won't change.
Speaker 2: They promise that the word of God won't change, and
Speaker 2: they're not the same. For instance, in Psalms one nineteen,
Speaker 2: thy word, oh Lord is forever settled in heaven. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: that's actually a proof text for the mandelifect community, because
Speaker 2: first of all, it tells you where it's preserved. It's
Speaker 2: preserved in heaven, not on the pages of the book.
Speaker 2: What you need in that passage is for it to say,
Speaker 2: thy writings, Oh Lord, given by the prophets and are
Speaker 2: preserved on scrolls forever. Yeah, that would be a preservation
Speaker 2: promise that the scriptures can't change, but it doesn't say.
Speaker 1: That, Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, So the verses that we're stating right now that
Speaker 1: we now, what about if you go back to like
Speaker 1: the Dead Sea scrolls or something like that.
Speaker 2: This is the most incredible mind blow. This phenomenon is
Speaker 2: so exotic that when we recognize a change something familiar
Speaker 2: like Matthew seven, or here's another one. This is Job
Speaker 2: Chapter one, Job's wife's harangue, and he says, should we
Speaker 2: not receive good and evil from the Lord? The Lord
Speaker 2: blanks and the Lord blanks away?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that one? Okay, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Job's wife's harangue and Job because God sended him through
Speaker 2: the meat grinder and he's like, she's like, curse got
Speaker 2: to die. And he's like, should we not receive good
Speaker 2: and evil from the hand of the Lord. The Lord
Speaker 2: blanks and the Lord blanks away.
Speaker 1: The Lord taketh then the Lord giveth away.
Speaker 2: Well you got about it, The Lord.
Speaker 1: Give it, then the Lord taketh away.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Okay, so now that's two for two everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I remember, bro.
Speaker 2: The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Just came
Speaker 2: out of Josh's mouth, and I could do that with
Speaker 2: a billion people. And what I'm here to tell you
Speaker 2: is I could do this for the next thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: I'll give you some more and I'll get him to
Speaker 2: say the thing out of his own mouth. And what
Speaker 2: I'm telling you is you can go to chat Gee,
Speaker 2: be to yourself and put in the question and it's
Speaker 2: not possible. Yeah, okay, it's not improbable. It's impossible, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to deal with the fact that your
Speaker 2: doctrine is wrong. The Bible is not the word of God.
Speaker 2: The scriptures is not the word of God. The word
Speaker 2: of God is the word of God. So the word
Speaker 2: doesn't change. The decrees that came from heaven to manned
Speaker 2: through prophets was recorded, and that which was given to
Speaker 2: the original authors the original autographs, is immutable and it
Speaker 2: will not change, and it will come to paths. However,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that God won't make it inaccessible through
Speaker 2: a judgment. Let me give you an example. At this
Speaker 2: very moment, there's over sixteen hundred living languages that do
Speaker 2: not have any scripture in their language. So to those
Speaker 2: people groups, the word of God, God is inaccessible. Now,
Speaker 2: do we hold God in derision because those people don't
Speaker 2: have access to the word. No, because we believe in
Speaker 2: free will. However, those people are still shut up. All
Speaker 2: men are shut up under judgment. So those people are
Speaker 2: still responsible to the Word of God. They all die
Speaker 2: and go to a christless eternity according to my Bible,
Speaker 2: Yet they don't have access to the Word. So the
Speaker 2: fact that you don't have access to the Word doesn't
Speaker 2: mean the word is changed or gone away or is
Speaker 2: no longer in effect. In a similar way, in modernity,
Speaker 2: the Bible is now becoming inaccessible to us through this judgment.
Speaker 2: So the Word remains unchanged. But the scriptures do not
Speaker 2: have a force field around them, and they're under judgment
Speaker 2: and they're becoming inaccessible. That explains it for you right there.
Speaker 2: That's how this happens, and it's working, so you could
Speaker 2: it's okay, your doctrine has been wrong. We've all been
Speaker 2: duped by the people at the front of the room,
Speaker 2: just like Josh did. Not to blame you, but that's
Speaker 2: what we've all been told. I hold in my hand
Speaker 2: the eternal, unchanging Word of God. No, you don't what
Speaker 2: you hold in your hand is the Bible that can
Speaker 2: is made up of the scriptures that contain the words
Speaker 2: of God. So, for instance, the only time that God
Speaker 2: gave instruction to record his decrees on an indelible medium
Speaker 2: was with Moses, I want you to write these on
Speaker 2: a tablet of stone. Now the rest of the time,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna jot it down on a napkin. Everything
Speaker 2: that came after the Ten Commandments is recorded through a
Speaker 2: subjective medium. First of all, I'm gonna inspire all these
Speaker 2: different people with different backgrounds. I'm gonna inspire them. And
Speaker 2: then they're gonna to record this on papyrus, which is
Speaker 2: subject to forgeries. It's subject to all kinds of decay.
Speaker 2: And I've heard a thousand times, Oh, God didn't write
Speaker 2: the Bible, men did. Well, that's by design. God has
Speaker 2: purposely structured bringing his decrees to man in this very subjective,
Speaker 2: vulnerable way. And what I've come to the conclusion that
Speaker 2: God has God has built a wall so high that
Speaker 2: only a child can clamor over it. Yeah, you have
Speaker 2: to come to God with your heart, not your peanut brain.
Speaker 2: You don't see intellectuals scaling the walls to God. In fact,
Speaker 2: God the Bible says, didn't you notice you don't have
Speaker 2: many great, many noble among you. So this is by design.
Speaker 2: In fact, God says, it's the glory of God to
Speaker 2: conceal the matter, and it's the glory of kings to
Speaker 2: seek it out. So God has purposely given us this
Speaker 2: roadmap to him in a cryptic, vulnerable format to prove
Speaker 2: us that we would not be arrogant and approach him
Speaker 2: in a way that is puffed up knowledge, puffeth up
Speaker 2: the letter killeth. And Jesus said, you do you nullify
Speaker 2: the power of God through your traditions. This is what
Speaker 2: we're dealing with in this judgment, all right, I keep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says the greatest, the greatest on earth will
Speaker 1: be at least in heaven too, you know. And so
Speaker 1: that's what I think that that would actually point to
Speaker 1: what you're saying, you know, the greatest on earth, the
Speaker 1: ones that are like I know all this knowledge, I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he does say, come to me like a child,
Speaker 1: you know, like an innocent child, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: very true. I agree with that, not like a theologian.
Speaker 1: That's you know, because the further the deeper, the deeper
Speaker 1: you get into being a theologian and just you know,
Speaker 1: seminaries and this and that. The further away you get
Speaker 1: from the supernatural, the further away you get from nepheline
Speaker 1: in the Bible, the further way you get from actual,
Speaker 1: real biblical cosmology, the further away you get from getting
Speaker 1: the closer you get to becoming like Pharisee.
Speaker 2: Like you said, man, yes, very true. I agree, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: all right. One last proof, underlying proof to give you
Speaker 2: permission to believe this is the different prophecies that foretold us.
Speaker 2: The first is Daniel seven twenty five, which speaks about
Speaker 2: the last days. It's definitely an end day's prophecy, and
Speaker 2: the beast will speak great swelling words. That's what we
Speaker 2: believe is now appearing. When I tell you what's in
Speaker 2: your Bible, dear soul, you're not even gonna believe it.
Speaker 2: You don't even know what's in there. And then it
Speaker 2: says that he will seek to change times and laws. Well,
Speaker 2: I go into that in great detail, and I prove
Speaker 2: convincingly that that's saying he's going to change space, time
Speaker 2: and the Bible. Because Ezra's seven translates that word laws
Speaker 2: as the law of God. So it's a fair interpretation.
Speaker 2: Then you have as eight eleven, which we already talked
Speaker 2: about Thessalonians Chapter two, second Thessalonians, which speaks about lying
Speaker 2: signs and wonders. In so much as that he has
Speaker 2: all power. The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to describe what
Speaker 2: Satan will be able to do in the last days
Speaker 2: by describing it as him having all power. Now, my theology,
Speaker 2: the only one that has all power is God. But
Speaker 2: yet here's Paul describing Satan as having all power. Well,
Speaker 2: if you can flip a switch and you can edit
Speaker 2: new timelines into this timeline, that's pretty powerful. That's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: And then Revelation twenty two is another one. All right,
Speaker 2: So let me give you I'm two for two, Jos.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you another one ready now.
Speaker 1: And also I'm trying to be as honest as possible
Speaker 1: because there is some that I don't I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you exactly what I thought before I studied it, all right, and.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you some that you probably haven't heard
Speaker 2: of now. And this is the next big exit ramp
Speaker 2: for people's intellect to try to explain this away. I've
Speaker 2: already decimated. The concept that we're just misremembering that is false.
Speaker 2: Anybody that puts that forward is just lying. You haven't
Speaker 2: done your research, and you're inaccurate. You're your argument is
Speaker 2: completely unconvincing. It's been set aside. Your objection is overruled. Period,
Speaker 2: there's no debate. We are not misremembering. We are misremembering
Speaker 2: the same way, and that's mathematically impossible. All right. The
Speaker 2: second big argument is, oh, I could clear this up, John,
Speaker 2: you're just confused by all the different versions. No. If
Speaker 2: you go to page eighty two of my book, I
Speaker 2: list about twenty different recognizable Bible changes that are in
Speaker 2: every Bible. They're universal Bible changes. So they're in the
Speaker 2: sixteen eleven Cambridge all revisions, they're in the NASNIV. You
Speaker 2: can't find a Bible where they don't exist.
Speaker 1: Well, that.
Speaker 2: Completely removes the following three arguments. You're confused because of versions,
Speaker 2: you're confused because of modernizations, and you're confused because of misprints.
Speaker 2: It can't be any of those three if it's in
Speaker 2: every Bible. So, for instance, in your memory, who laid
Speaker 2: down with the lamb?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another one. I someone's asked me this on
Speaker 1: my show before, like when I did a conspiracy podcast
Speaker 1: and would I would say the lion.
Speaker 2: Well, sure, and I can do this with any pastor too.
Speaker 2: This is not just lay people. Yeah, and that's because
Speaker 2: in our timeline or our experience or our earth where
Speaker 2: whatever's happening, we all read the lion shall lay down
Speaker 2: with the lamb. Well, now it says the wolf will
Speaker 2: dwell with the lamb, and I don't care if later
Speaker 2: on in the verse it says the young lion, And
Speaker 2: that's how we're being confused. It's not true because if
Speaker 2: that's true, we'd all say, oh, the young one.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna pull that one up again. So that
Speaker 1: we're glad to do this. And and for those that
Speaker 1: are are not able to watch this on video, because
Speaker 1: I know that I think cultic Conspiracy has a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are that are able to only watch
Speaker 1: this or listen to this, which is which is fine.
Speaker 1: I have that on my show too. But but if
Speaker 1: you're listening on Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy podcast, you can
Speaker 1: go to my YouTube at Josh Monday Music and Podcast
Speaker 1: if you want to see this, or you could go
Speaker 1: to I think cult Conspiracy's Patreon. I think they played
Speaker 1: on video. If you guys want to see it on video,
Speaker 1: let's go to uhh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Isaiah eleven six.
Speaker 1: YEP.
Speaker 2: I was about to and uh And just to reiterate,
Speaker 2: this is in every version. You can't find a version
Speaker 2: where this doesn't say the wolf, as you can see
Speaker 2: if you go to parallel up on the top left.
Speaker 1: Yep. That's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 2: You can see all the versions say wolf. So you
Speaker 2: have to ask yourself, well, how did lion get into
Speaker 2: the long term memory of the entire world, because it
Speaker 2: never said.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, the wolf said Towell with the lamb.
Speaker 2: So you know, in a court of law, if they
Speaker 2: find the bloody knife with the fingerprints on it in
Speaker 2: your basement, that's evidence that you committed the murder. But
Speaker 2: let's say they don't find the knife, but there's three
Speaker 2: witnesses that say that they saw you leaving the scene
Speaker 2: of the crime. That's enough to send you to prison.
Speaker 2: So testimony is actually it's eighteen USC. Thirty five oh
Speaker 2: two or something like that. Testimony is evidence. So our
Speaker 2: memories is admissible in court as evidence. Now, if there's
Speaker 2: an objection, the judge will hear the objection, and then
Speaker 2: he'll say overruled, which means the objection is not accepted
Speaker 2: or it's sustained. Well, if it's if it's overruled, then
Speaker 2: the testimony is entered in to the court as evidence,
Speaker 2: and if you look up the evidence, it means it's
Speaker 2: true and valid. So what I've done now is I've
Speaker 2: removed any objection from our testimony. It's not misremembering. It's
Speaker 2: not implanet thought, like the Oh, you're just confusing the
Speaker 2: platters peanut guy with a monopoly guy. No, because am
Speaker 2: I Am I confusing mirror mirror on the wall because
Speaker 2: of the Platter's peanut guy. No, So you have to
Speaker 2: have a surrogate for every single Mandel effect, and there's
Speaker 2: thousands of them. Yeah, So it's not implanet thought. It's
Speaker 2: not misremembering. And I'm not confused by Bible versions because
Speaker 2: the ones I'm giving you now are in every version.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no objection.
Speaker 1: And if you're watching, I was, I was basically slowly
Speaker 1: going down so you guys could kind of read each
Speaker 1: one just so you guys see it's the wolf, the wolf,
Speaker 1: the wolf, the wolf. Yeah, the whole time. Yeah, on
Speaker 1: all of the all of them in Bible Hub if
Speaker 1: you check it out.
Speaker 2: All right, here's a few more good ones. And again
Speaker 2: these are you universal. Remember when Noah left let the
Speaker 2: dove off, after they'd been out in the water for
Speaker 2: a bunch of years, a bunch of time, and the
Speaker 2: dove comes back with something in its mouth. You remember
Speaker 2: what it brought back?
Speaker 1: Olive tree?
Speaker 2: Say it again?
Speaker 1: Is it olive? Olive tree? Is okay? Can you repeat
Speaker 1: it real quick?
Speaker 2: Because yeah, the dove brought something back, and it's.
Speaker 1: Noah right from the from the flood, right. I thought
Speaker 1: it was an olive leaf for something. Or first you
Speaker 1: said a tree, Yeah, I didn't mean a whole tree.
Speaker 2: What did you mean?
Speaker 1: Was it an olive branch? I think it's okay, branch,
Speaker 1: that's all right.
Speaker 2: So go to Genesis eight eleven.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go.
Speaker 2: You heard you heard him? Everybody he's I.
Speaker 1: Said olive branch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what everybody remembers. I remember that, and I've
Speaker 2: done this one hundred thousand times, and everybody says branch.
Speaker 2: But when you go to a Genesis eight eleven in
Speaker 2: any Bible, there is no Bible that says branch. But
Speaker 2: that's what Josh remembered that. That's what every pastor will
Speaker 2: tell you. And what did it bring back? It brought
Speaker 2: an olive leaf.
Speaker 1: Olive leaf.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I said olive leaf in the
Speaker 1: beginning is because we just went over Genesis. That's probably way.
Speaker 1: That's probably why I said it like that, But I do.
Speaker 1: I just want to answer you. I want to answer
Speaker 1: you from what I remember as opposed to what I
Speaker 1: just read, because we went over Genesis probably like okay,
Speaker 1: probably like maybe like six weeks ago we went over this,
Speaker 1: so I just want to make sure. Let's tell you
Speaker 1: what I remember, all right.
Speaker 2: Now, this one is very common. I hear this all
Speaker 2: the time. People quote this out of memory. When you
Speaker 2: remember Moses going into judge Egypt and he killed the firstborn?
Speaker 2: Who went in to Egypt to kill the firstborn?
Speaker 1: I thought it was angel of death, thank you? Yes, correct,
Speaker 1: That's what they even taught you on the old movie
Speaker 1: The Ten Commandments, that it was the Angel of death.
Speaker 2: Yea, all right, go Exodus twelve twenty three.
Speaker 1: But we just read it, and uh, we just read it,
Speaker 1: I think uh last week or two weeks ago, I
Speaker 1: can't remember. But yeah, let's go. Yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: was that.
Speaker 2: Now Exodus twelve twenty three in every Bible. Listen to me,
Speaker 2: because I know how your brain is churning because.
Speaker 1: The angel right twenty three.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what we all remember, the Angel of Death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll hear.
Speaker 2: You'll hear preachers all the time. They're just talking extreporaneously
Speaker 2: and they'll say, and the Angel of Death. No, no,
Speaker 2: it wasn't. What does it say.
Speaker 1: When the when the Lord goes to the land of.
Speaker 2: Report goes in? Yeah, it's not the Angel of death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we dude, we just read this and that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's weird because I was, Okay, I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: an example. I was when I was studying this, I
Speaker 1: was I was actually doing weeds in the because I
Speaker 1: you know, I was doing it's called weeda, Bateman. I
Speaker 1: do this at work. You know, I'm a treatment operator
Speaker 1: and I gotta I gotta clean up to sit right.
Speaker 1: And I was listening to before I taught this, I'll
Speaker 1: listening to it, and I thought that too. I was like, dang,
Speaker 1: I always remember it saying that the Angel of death
Speaker 1: and that's what I always thought it was too, man,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that I definitely thought that.
Speaker 2: Right. People are bumping into this in their Bible studies,
Speaker 2: but but the concept isn't on their radar, and so
Speaker 2: they just kind of chalk it up to brain far
Speaker 2: or I guess it was another verse. They're not connecting
Speaker 2: the dots. Yeah, but I'm giving you see I've laid
Speaker 2: the groundwork now for you to accept what you're seeing.
Speaker 2: This is obvious that this is happening, because I've now
Speaker 2: done four for four with Josh, and let me give
Speaker 2: you another one.
Speaker 1: Like I said, audience is listening. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: be I'm trying to be as honest as possible of
Speaker 1: what I remember from before I studied this. So this
Speaker 1: one was not what I knew about though, but it
Speaker 1: did happen to me literally when I was doing this.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, yeah, so this is what it's Okay, I
Speaker 2: appreciate that, but but for sure the listeners are if
Speaker 2: they've read the Bible or are guessing the same way
Speaker 2: you are. Right. So here's another one. Who did Jacob
Speaker 2: wrestle with all night? He wrestled? He wrestled with somebody.
Speaker 1: And that I thought. I always thought it was the
Speaker 1: Angel of the Lord, but correct going to Genesis thirty
Speaker 1: two twenty four. So this is another one. And if
Speaker 1: this one just says wrestled with God, Okay, let's hope.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm oh, okay, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: Everybody will say this out of their mouths to Genesis
Speaker 2: thirty two twenty four. I hear this all the time.
Speaker 2: And Jacob wrestled with the angel. No, I don't know
Speaker 2: where you got that from, because it's not in any
Speaker 2: Bible ever, in any century, in any version. It's not
Speaker 2: a misquote. It's Please, it's not a misquote from pop culture.
Speaker 2: Please don't even go there with me. Look at what
Speaker 2: it says.
Speaker 1: So Jacob was left alone and a man wrestled with
Speaker 1: him till daybreak.
Speaker 2: All of the translation, okay, Brian King, James wrestled with
Speaker 2: a man, niv nas, all of them. It isn't anywhere.
Speaker 2: We're not confused, yep, we're not misremembering. We don't have
Speaker 2: implanted thoughts, we're not confused by misquot Let me just
Speaker 2: cover the misquotes from pop culture, because this is actually
Speaker 2: the most common escape route that people and it's so
Speaker 2: far fetched that it's embarrassing. It really has made me
Speaker 2: question the church's role as the pillar of truth in society,
Speaker 2: because I'm talking Bible school presidents, patriarch level theologians trying
Speaker 2: to tell me, Oh, John, I can clear this up.
Speaker 2: We're just confused by misquotes from pop culture. So let
Speaker 2: me get this straight. You go over to Facebook and
Speaker 2: you see some guy saying there is no God, and
Speaker 2: then you somehow subconsciously adopt that belief without you even
Speaker 2: realizing it, and then you wake up one morning and
Speaker 2: you're an atheist. That's what you're trying to tell me.
Speaker 2: You have no filter for things that don't line up
Speaker 2: with the word, because that's what you're being We're being
Speaker 2: asked to believe. I'm sorry, I know my word, don't you.
Speaker 2: God gave me power, love and a sound mind. I'm
Speaker 2: not having the mis quotes from pop culture reach out
Speaker 2: and grab my brain like a vice and force feed
Speaker 2: me these misquotes not one or two, but twenty or thirty.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, and first of all, provide the evidence of this.
Speaker 2: This is just a hail Mary guess with no evidence.
Speaker 2: So for instance, let's use a pop culture example mirror
Speaker 2: mirror on the wall. I want you out there listening
Speaker 2: to that's trying to suggest that you can clear this
Speaker 2: up to provide us the movie where there's some cartoon
Speaker 2: character in front of a mirror saying miror mirror, which
Speaker 2: is what you would have to have for this theory
Speaker 2: to be correct. You can't produce it. It doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: The only thing that's out there is Walt Disney's movie
Speaker 2: where she's saying magic mirror. So where is the movie
Speaker 2: that you're referring to in pop culture that says mi
Speaker 2: or mirror? Because that's what you're saying. Yeah, because it
Speaker 2: has to overcome all of our influences. And again, I've
Speaker 2: done a whole talk on this misquotes from pop culture Refuted,
Speaker 2: where I go down all of the disciplines of the
Speaker 2: faith of a church person or church leader. You're preparing
Speaker 2: the sermon, you're delivering the sermon. You're reading the Bible.
Speaker 2: You're studying the Bible, which you're different. You're memorizing the Bible.
Speaker 2: Then you're reading a deli devotional. You're listening to other
Speaker 2: people read the Bible. You're singing hymns or worship songs,
Speaker 2: you're listening to music. There's about twelve different disciplines all
Speaker 2: of those are reinforcing what should be written in the scripture. Judge,
Speaker 2: not that he be not judged. Job one is actually
Speaker 2: the Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away. Is
Speaker 2: what the King James has always said, not judge, the
Speaker 2: Lord giveth. So what you're asking me to believe is
Speaker 2: that this pastor is spending so much time on pop
Speaker 2: culture and on Facebook and YouTube and TikTok and and
Speaker 2: he's coming across these misquotes which you can't even prove
Speaker 2: that all of his belief of the Word and all
Speaker 2: of his laboring in the Word is being overwritten. Come on,
Speaker 2: it's not true, all right, But yeah, I made a
Speaker 2: pretty good case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've taught to like you. If you go
Speaker 1: back to one of my shows. I think it was
Speaker 1: like in somewhere in the hundreds area one of my episodes.
Speaker 1: I even taught that it's said the Angel of the
Speaker 1: Lord during this Genesis thirty two, so you guys could
Speaker 1: go back and see that I thought it said it.
Speaker 1: And then I taught on like I'm basically going from
Speaker 1: Genesis one all the way to you know, all the
Speaker 1: way to Revelation in the Sunday Service. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do. And I only take a step back
Speaker 1: from that that study when I have people like you
Speaker 1: or like Gary Wayne or somebody that I want people
Speaker 1: to definitely know about. And I uh and I I
Speaker 1: taught on that before on my show Josh Monday, Christian
Speaker 1: getschriscy podcast that that Jacob wrestled with the Angel of
Speaker 1: the Lord. Right, And then I go and read it
Speaker 1: as I'm going through Genesis and it says a man,
Speaker 1: and I didn't. I didn't remember that. I literally didn't.
Speaker 1: So this is not an I definitely remember it saying
Speaker 1: Angel of the Lord. And then even in the even
Speaker 1: in the title right here, and if you look at
Speaker 1: the if you go to the New King James, there's
Speaker 1: like a title before each you know, sometimes a little section,
Speaker 1: and this one says wrestling with God, right, That's what
Speaker 1: it says before it goes and then it's saying a man.
Speaker 1: But then Jacob says that that he you know, he
Speaker 1: saw God face to face, right, for I have seen
Speaker 1: God face to face, so he is he is telling
Speaker 1: you that it's God. But I do remember it saying
Speaker 1: that it was the Angel of the Lord. And that's
Speaker 1: why I used that because I was trying to show
Speaker 1: how like like Jesus could be the Angel of the Lord,
Speaker 1: the Messenger of the Lord, or the you know, or
Speaker 1: the word of the Lord. Basically, I was trying to
Speaker 1: use that and it actually now when I went through
Speaker 1: it for them, it did say a man, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't remember. I didn't remember it saying
Speaker 1: that you know before.
Speaker 2: Right, So this is an important thing that God wants
Speaker 2: to get at. Is the human condition. The human beings
Speaker 2: have been given the capacity to experience something called certainty.
Speaker 2: It's an emotional state that drives a lot of our behavior.
Speaker 2: The missionary goes to foreign lands and devotes their life
Speaker 2: to reaching people groups because they're so certain that the
Speaker 2: Bible is true and that these people are lost without Christ.
Speaker 2: Certainty is the sense that I remember mirror, mirror, I
Speaker 2: remember the monopoly guide, a monocle. I remember Grand Central Station.
Speaker 2: It's always been Grand Central Terminal. Smokey the Bear has
Speaker 2: always been Smokey Bear. The Fruit of the Loom logo
Speaker 2: always had a cornicope. It's never had one.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 2: In this reality, these things are burned into our brain
Speaker 2: and we don't remember all of them one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: but some of them we land on. We call them
Speaker 2: anchor memories. We're like, there's no what man, And this
Speaker 2: is what happens with the Bible. I remember this one lady.
Speaker 2: She was KJV only she was like eighty years old.
Speaker 2: She calls me up.
Speaker 1: She's like, John, this King James Bible has been on
Speaker 1: my lap for fifty years.
Speaker 2: And I opened it up and it said bank. They
Speaker 2: put their money in the bank, in the King James Bible.
Speaker 2: And she she was like, there's no way that was
Speaker 2: in my bible ever. All right, so let me give
Speaker 2: you some more universal ones. Okay, Uh, do you remember
Speaker 2: when Jesus made mud out of his spit and healed
Speaker 2: a blind man?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you remember him ever spitting directly in someone's face
Speaker 2: to heal them?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: All right, turned to Mark eight twenty three.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see. Can I just go right off of this? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we can do that. Yep, you sure?
Speaker 1: That's even easier, that's way easier. All right, let's go
Speaker 1: Mark boom. When we go Mark.
Speaker 2: Eight twenty three. And these are not only unfamiliar, they're
Speaker 2: also biblical paradoxes, because you got Jesus doing something that's
Speaker 2: very unsavory. Yeah, he's spitting in somebody's face to heal them.
Speaker 2: And then you have preachers that are preaching sermons the
Speaker 2: beauty is in the details. So now you've got preachers
Speaker 2: having to defend these things that are biblical paradoxes. It's
Speaker 2: in every version. Okay, go ahead and read in IV's fine.
Speaker 1: Okay. He took the blind man by the hand and
Speaker 1: let him outside the village. When he had spit on
Speaker 1: the man's eyes and put his hands on him. Jesus asked,
Speaker 1: do you see anything?
Speaker 2: Now? I'm telling you I can go into any environment
Speaker 2: where there's Christians and do what I just did. I
Speaker 2: asked you, have you ever heard of this? And you
Speaker 2: said no. And what I want you to understand is
Speaker 2: that's not possible. I've been in the Word forty years.
Speaker 2: If there was a passage in my New Testament where
Speaker 2: Jesus spit directly into guy's eyes, I would know it, yep,
Speaker 2: and Josh would know it, and everybody would. But nobody
Speaker 2: knows it. And I'm telling you that's not possible. How
Speaker 2: about this one in your memory? Did Isaiah ever knock
Speaker 2: up a prophetesce No, go to Isaiah eight verse three.
Speaker 2: Now all I'm saying, you could try to tell me
Speaker 2: the prophetesce was his wife. I don't care. Isaiah eight
Speaker 2: what twenty three eight eight verse three? Oh three, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't care, because first of all, it doesn't say
Speaker 2: that he was his she was his wife. You're just
Speaker 2: twisting the scripture to fit your denominational thing or your memory.
Speaker 2: But what does it say?
Speaker 1: Then? I'm this is going to be the new international
Speaker 1: version we can go through.
Speaker 2: All this is Isaiah talking.
Speaker 1: This is Isaiah. Then I made love to the prophetes,
Speaker 1: and she conceived and gave birth to his son. And
Speaker 1: the Lord said to me, name him Mahar Shalah hash boss.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, no possible way. I've done this with pastors. Hey, pastor,
Speaker 2: have you ever heard of Isaiah knocking up a prophetess? Well, no, John,
Speaker 2: I haven't, but I don't know the whole Bible. Oh
Speaker 2: please come on.
Speaker 1: Come. Well, yeah, the other ones say I had relations
Speaker 1: with the prophetest, which means the same thing if you
Speaker 1: go into the I went into which is King James.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what means that. That means I approached
Speaker 1: the prophetess. I approached she conceived. So I approached the
Speaker 1: prophetess and she conceived.
Speaker 2: That's if you click on.
Speaker 1: It, it's it's what exactly what John is saying. I
Speaker 1: was intimate with the prophetes and she conceived.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I remember Jesus where they brought children to
Speaker 2: bless them. But do you ever remember them bringing infants
Speaker 2: so he could touch them? Um? No, all right, go
Speaker 2: to Luke eighteen fifteen.
Speaker 1: Luke eighteen fifteen. All right, here we.
Speaker 2: Go Luke eighteen fifteen.
Speaker 1: It says, uh, people, this is the new international version.
Speaker 1: Will go to the King James as well. People were
Speaker 1: also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his
Speaker 1: hands on them. And when disciples saw this, they rebuke them.
Speaker 2: No way in the world, No way in the world.
Speaker 2: Did they ever bring babies to Jesus? No way, no way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the English Standard version says infants.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's not familiar. It's wildly unfamiliar. And you can't
Speaker 2: be in the word forty years like I have and
Speaker 2: then be like, oh, I never noticed that. It's not
Speaker 2: like we're talking about the Book of Ezekiel. Here, this
Speaker 2: is your gospels. Yeah, here's another one. This is Leviticus
Speaker 2: four in your memory? Did God ever instruct the children
Speaker 2: of Israel to sacrifice female sheep?
Speaker 1: This is Leviticus.
Speaker 2: No, Leviticus four thirty two. Go ahead and read that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, real quick, Okay, Oops, it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: see my thing on here. Oops, I keep doing oh
Speaker 1: and said.
Speaker 2: I'm oh for one hundred. I mean every single one
Speaker 2: of these. You're going right along with what I remember
Speaker 2: and everybody and they're wrong, and.
Speaker 1: I'm just letting people. Yeah, I'm just being honest with
Speaker 1: people too, man, Like, this is just exactly what I remember.
Speaker 1: And if I have studied one, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I remembered before. You know what I mean, before I
Speaker 1: study it. Leviticus which one?
Speaker 2: Sorry for let's say four thirty two thirty two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have this bright light right here, and I
Speaker 1: can't see my I can't see the letters. Okay, Leviticus
Speaker 1: four twenty two and thirty two thirty two. Sorry it's
Speaker 1: thirty two. Alright, there we go. Yeah, this light's like
Speaker 1: run in my eyes. All right, here we go. Leviticus
Speaker 1: four thirty two. I'm gonna read it. We'll do. Since
Speaker 1: it's the top one, we'll read that. It says if
Speaker 1: someone brings a lamb as their sin offering offering, they
Speaker 1: are to bring a female with that.
Speaker 2: All right, Now, first of all, nobody remembers that. Second
Speaker 2: of all, a lamb sacrifices a type in shadow of Christ.
Speaker 2: So now you have a female version when you combine
Speaker 2: that with Jesus's touching babies and Revelation chapter one where
Speaker 2: in the King James where it says that he has
Speaker 2: his thing girded about his paps. Well, paps is the
Speaker 2: word mastos, which is female breasts. Stethos is male breast.
Speaker 2: So Jesus is now depicted as having female breasts like Bapphamet,
Speaker 2: he's touching babies, and you have a type in shadow
Speaker 2: of a female sheep being sacrificed. I'm here to tell
Speaker 2: you that this is an underworld agenda to bring themes
Speaker 2: into your Bible which are inconsistent with the nature and
Speaker 2: character of God and are going to be used to
Speaker 2: bring in the Antichrist or whatever one world system they're
Speaker 2: going to use, and the Bible is going to be
Speaker 2: there to teach you, Hey, this is who God is.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, if I'm a if I'm a pedophile Satanist,
Speaker 2: I could have a field day with those three scriptures.
Speaker 2: And again these are not I'm not cherry picking obscure
Speaker 2: as passages. I could do this for the next sixty
Speaker 2: minutes what I'm doing right now, and.
Speaker 1: Let me give you and I keep. And as he's going,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go to the I have a Geneva Bible,
Speaker 1: fifteen sixty edition. As he's going, I'm trying to look
Speaker 1: at the Geneva Bible too, just to like go just
Speaker 1: to reference another reference, because we have.
Speaker 2: Right, that's an older Bible, and it's in there too.
Speaker 1: It says bring a female without blemisht.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the sixteen eleven. It's everywhere, all right,
Speaker 2: this one. If this one doesn't knock you off your chin,
Speaker 2: then I don't think you can fogo me. I don't
Speaker 2: even There are some, not many, but some in the
Speaker 2: mandelif community, the Christian Mandelifects community, believe that if Christians
Speaker 2: cannot perceive these changes, then they're not even saved. I
Speaker 2: don't believe that, but that's what some people have come
Speaker 2: to the conclusion. They've come to. This is Luke nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty seven.
Speaker 1: This is these.
Speaker 2: Words are coming out of the mouth of Jesus. I
Speaker 2: don't care if it's a parable, because he says, which
Speaker 2: this is Luke nineteen twenty seven. I'll let you pull
Speaker 2: it up and read it, because this is so shocking.
Speaker 2: And again I can go into almost any environment where
Speaker 2: there's Christians and they will have never heard of this before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll do the New International version. It says,
Speaker 1: both those enemies of mine who did not want to
Speaker 1: be king over them, bring them here and kill them
Speaker 1: in front of me. Right, is that there?
Speaker 2: Yep? Okay, read the King James version.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that. But those mine but those mine enemies.
Speaker 2: No, okay, I'm sorry, I was reading the other one.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 1: Sorry, But those mine enemies which had not that I
Speaker 1: should reign over them, bring hither and slay them before me.
Speaker 2: All right. So in this parable, Jesus who's saying the parable,
Speaker 2: is instructing his followers to bring whoever doesn't follow him
Speaker 2: and slit their throats in front of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now my point is, well, the unconvinced, we'll try to
Speaker 2: say this is a parable. It isn't Jesus giving that instruction.
Speaker 2: I don't care, okay, because what I'm telling you is
Speaker 2: I can go into any Christian environment and then it'll
Speaker 2: be the first time that people have ever known that
Speaker 2: this was in your Bible. And what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: if this was in my Bible, I would have known
Speaker 2: about it. I just learned about this maybe a year ago.
Speaker 2: That's not possible. Oh yeah, there's a passage where there's
Speaker 2: a parable where Jesus is saying, bring people here a slave.
Speaker 2: I know about that. No, no, try it yourself. Go
Speaker 2: all over and ask Christians who know their Bible. Hey,
Speaker 2: do you remember anytime where Jesus said bring people here? No,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be kidding me. They're like, no, it's not possible.
Speaker 2: Do you know your Bible or not?
Speaker 1: Yep? I think the one that got me, Uh, this one.
Speaker 1: I'll probably get a lot of people. I think this
Speaker 1: is probably the most common one. I think, John, what
Speaker 1: about the Matthew eighteen twenty one?
Speaker 2: What does it say.
Speaker 1: Or where two or blank? Oh, gather in my name
Speaker 1: there I am with them.
Speaker 2: Give it to us again.
Speaker 1: Okay, so for where to or blank? Gather in my name?
Speaker 1: There I am with them. We'll go to the verse
Speaker 1: real quick, so you guys can see it on the
Speaker 1: screen like we've been doing that one. My mom for sure,
Speaker 1: my dad for sure. Uh definitely taught me h the
Speaker 1: other way, and I used it so many times with
Speaker 1: so many people when when I'm like, back before I
Speaker 1: was like fully saved and fully you know, I'd be
Speaker 1: like smoking with my buddies and we'd be talking about God,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, back when I was younger, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Yeah, what I used to say is
Speaker 1: doing two or more gathered in my name, then you
Speaker 1: know we're having church. That's what I would say. My
Speaker 1: dad taught me that too, back in the you know,
Speaker 1: eighties or nineties, you know, more in the nineties. I
Speaker 1: was only I was only in the eighties. I was
Speaker 1: like probably like seven or eight. But yeah, that is
Speaker 1: one that I definitely I remember my dad teaching me.
Speaker 1: For where two or more gathering in my name, there
Speaker 1: am I with them? That That's what my dad taught me.
Speaker 1: That's what I was taught before. I don't know about
Speaker 1: anybody else, but now that says for where two or
Speaker 1: three gathered in my name, there am I with them?
Speaker 1: Is that one that you've came across that a lot? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in my list. Yeah, that's when.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would would say, I
Speaker 1: don't remember the three part, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about Hoseah four to six? My people blank
Speaker 2: from lack of knowledge? What do you remember perish Paris?
Speaker 2: In fact, listen to this, you could go to Amazon
Speaker 2: right now and put my people perish from lack of knowledge,
Speaker 2: and there's like two or three books for sale as
Speaker 2: my people perish.
Speaker 1: I remember that for sure, parish.
Speaker 2: That doesn't exist. It's not in any translation.
Speaker 1: So since we've been doing this, and guys, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go down this real quick. If you're watching this on video,
Speaker 1: it says where two or three have gathered all of them?
Speaker 1: So okay, so we have the same kind of thing
Speaker 1: going on. And what is the next one is Hoseiah six.
Speaker 2: It's a beauty. It's another one of those really familiar
Speaker 2: ones that everybody remembers. Perish. Hoseah or six has never
Speaker 2: said perish. Hold on, let me look at this real quick.
Speaker 1: I think I am butchering hosh Yeah is h o
Speaker 1: s there's no J. There's no J in Hebrew. That's why, sorry,
Speaker 1: uh Oseiah, there we go six.
Speaker 2: It's chapter four, verse six.
Speaker 1: The Mandela effect messing up. I remember it spelled with
Speaker 1: the J. No, I'm just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 2: So science teaches there's cause and effect, so you have
Speaker 2: to at a certain point the physical uh, the scientific
Speaker 2: discipline of probabilities mandates that there has to be a
Speaker 2: causation for all of humanity having the exact same memory.
Speaker 2: It has to be a reason it got in there.
Speaker 2: And it's multiple things in the Bible, and then it's
Speaker 2: hundreds of things in pop culture, mirror mirror on the
Speaker 2: walls that everybody's memory. It can't have just gotten in
Speaker 2: there by chance or by misquotes. It's ridiculous. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: in a different timeline or the veil between multi versus
Speaker 2: has thinned and we're shifting to another Earth. Now that's
Speaker 2: a difficult concept for Christians to accept because we have
Speaker 2: the doctrine that men are destined to die once and
Speaker 2: then judgment. So if there's an infinite number of John's,
Speaker 2: how does that work?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I don't have an answer for you. I only have
Speaker 2: a conjecture. I don't know what it is, but I
Speaker 2: definitely know what it isn't it's not misremembering, It's not possible.
Speaker 1: So we'll tell you what this says. So Isaiah four
Speaker 1: to six, I remember my people perish for lack of knowledge.
Speaker 1: That's what I remember. That's that's what I remember my
Speaker 1: dad teaching me. And that's the only way I could
Speaker 1: do it because my dad taught us the Bible. You know,
Speaker 1: my dad, I used to teach us the word of God.
Speaker 1: So we remember that as my people are perish for
Speaker 1: lack of knowledge. What these versions are saying now is
Speaker 1: my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.
Speaker 2: And that's in every Bible. So we're not confused by
Speaker 2: different versions. Modernizations are misprints. Please stop lying to yourself. Yes,
Speaker 2: you can't get out of this. There's no rational explanation.
Speaker 2: It's a phenomenon. Listen, even if you're right and we're misremembering,
Speaker 2: it's still a phenomenon. Because now you have to explain
Speaker 2: how millions of people are all claiming that their reality
Speaker 2: is morphing and believe that that's happening when they're just misremembering.
Speaker 2: That would be a mass psychosis. So what is it?
Speaker 2: A virus that has struck people with mental illness? And
Speaker 2: millions of people across the entire flat earth, every demographic,
Speaker 2: every age group, every religion every so so economic strata
Speaker 2: are all experiencing sudden mental onset. No, it's a phenomenon
Speaker 2: either way. How you can't get out of this, it's unexplainable. Okay,
Speaker 2: Paul is robbing churches Sewod Corinthians eleven eight. I robbed
Speaker 2: other churches, taking wages of them. Let me just go
Speaker 2: rapid fire, Josh, Yeah, I'll give the reference. People can
Speaker 2: look it up.
Speaker 1: For this show, I like to go kind of like
Speaker 1: close to like an hour forty five minutes or two hours.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so we'll try to do that if
Speaker 1: we can. We're we're already hitting on about an hour
Speaker 1: and a half, so we're out of time, all right,
Speaker 1: So of time, we still have a we have about
Speaker 1: a half an hour.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool, all right. Do you do you ever
Speaker 2: ever remember any reference of the Bible where it talks
Speaker 2: about people drinking their own piss and eating their own dunk? No,
Speaker 2: let's look that one up. That's second King's eighteen twenty seven.
Speaker 2: I want people to see that. My point is this,
Speaker 2: if there was anywhere in the Bible, I don't care
Speaker 2: if it's a judgment or whatever where people are eating
Speaker 2: their own dung and drinking their own piss. I would
Speaker 2: remember that. I would, Oh, yeah, that's in my bible.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, Second Kings eighteen twenty seven. Yep, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is the one that pops up versus the
Speaker 1: New International. Versa says, But the commander replied, was it
Speaker 1: only to your master and you that my master sent
Speaker 1: me to say these things and not to the people
Speaker 1: sitting on their wall, who, like you, will eat their
Speaker 1: own excrement and drink their own urine. See, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: go to the King James and see what that one says.
Speaker 1: So that one says, Hastau also sent me to men
Speaker 1: who sit on the wall doomed to their own dung
Speaker 1: and drink their own urine.
Speaker 2: With you, it's pretty shocking. Yeah, I tell people that.
Speaker 2: They don't even believe me. Yeah, blasphemer, that's not in
Speaker 2: my Bible. I'm like, open it up. It's a reversion
Speaker 2: and go through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And you guys, if you go down,
Speaker 1: I'll just do the real slow say you guests. See,
Speaker 1: do you remember what that said before, John, or what
Speaker 1: you thought it maybe said before?
Speaker 2: Well, that's question, and that's the next thing I was
Speaker 2: going to point out is there's a lot of different
Speaker 2: types of changes. Some changes you have new names and
Speaker 2: new places. Others you have modifications of existing ones. Uh,
Speaker 2: you have names with eighteen letters now you have word switches,
Speaker 2: new countries, missing words, altered names. You have egregious spelling,
Speaker 2: grammar and syntex errors all through the Bible. You have
Speaker 2: change stories, new stories, biblical paradoxes. You have cut and
Speaker 2: paste duplicates throughout the Bible now, ebonics, emojis. You have
Speaker 2: gibberish and nonsense versus and these are all covered in
Speaker 2: detail in my book. You have duplicated words, massive run
Speaker 2: on sentences, modern words galore, unexplained use of capitalization on italics.
Speaker 2: You have blasphemy, sexual innuendo, ungodly themes. Remember I'm a
Speaker 2: godly man. I love God and I love his word,
Speaker 2: so I'm not attacking the Bible. You have a lot
Speaker 2: of very unfamiliar content that's leaving millions of Christians scratching
Speaker 2: their heads. Certain versions contain changes that are not present
Speaker 2: in the KJV, while at other times changes only appear
Speaker 2: in the KGV. You have changes appearing in one part
Speaker 2: of the New Testament and not another part. Then You
Speaker 2: also have changes that are in the Old Testament and
Speaker 2: not the New Testament or vice versa. Some changes are
Speaker 2: in one Gospel but not in others, while other changes
Speaker 2: are in all gospels. Some changes dramatically impact doctrine, while
Speaker 2: others are benign. You can see the same Greek or
Speaker 2: Hebrew word presented by two different English words and the
Speaker 2: same paragraph, like leviticuslve e in the KJV now teaches
Speaker 2: that God's people can sacrifice turtles, but the couple of
Speaker 2: verses before it is turtle dove.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can keep going. Sorry, John, someone got interrupted
Speaker 1: for a second.
Speaker 2: They go out, No, no problem. You know, if you
Speaker 2: go to the King James only changes, then you got
Speaker 2: some really crazy stuff like sacrificing turtles or uh, nursing
Speaker 2: fathers and kings. Kings shall be thy nursing fathers. This
Speaker 2: one's a bombshell. This one's the most biblical paradox that
Speaker 2: I found so far. It's Hebrews six ' to one. Yeah, therefore, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's look that one up. Therefore, I'll let you read it, okay,
Speaker 2: this one. If this one doesn't shock you, I can't
Speaker 2: help you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Hebrew read one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, read the NIV and then read the King James version.
Speaker 1: Okay, therefore, let us beyond the elementary teachings about Christ
Speaker 1: and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the
Speaker 1: foundation of all.
Speaker 2: Right, that's that's good elementary teachings. So look at all
Speaker 2: the different versions. All have the word elementary in it. Wow,
Speaker 2: elementary beginning teaching. Now look at the King James.
Speaker 1: Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine.
Speaker 2: Whoa wait a minute, where's the word elementary? It's been removed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what does it?
Speaker 2: What does it mean? Now therefore leaving the principles of
Speaker 2: the doctrine of Christ. So you now have a verse.
Speaker 2: You now have the King James version teaching to stop
Speaker 2: listening to Jesus, leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ,
Speaker 2: not the elementary principles. Okay, we're gonna move on from
Speaker 2: from kindergarten. That's what it's saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on real quick, doesn't say that to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's go far. I know in the Greek it
Speaker 1: means beginning origin. The persons are thinking, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is what the strong accordance is saying. Beginning origin the
Speaker 1: person or thing that circumferences.
Speaker 2: What is it that you're reading.
Speaker 1: This is the strongest accordance.
Speaker 2: I'm just on what strongest concordance on what word?
Speaker 1: On the word principle, the principles. Yes, that's the one,
Speaker 1: right that, that's the that's the word that we're.
Speaker 2: Yes, principles doesn't mean beginning principle. That's an adjective to
Speaker 2: describe a principle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm just all I'm doing is just clicking
Speaker 1: on the strong accordance and the way they explain it,
Speaker 1: which I know this is not inspired by God, but
Speaker 1: this is the way they say beginning or origin. That's
Speaker 1: the that's what they put.
Speaker 2: That's a that's what we call residual evidence. The commentary
Speaker 2: has it caught up with the change. This is very
Speaker 2: common because uh element coree is beginning principle. The beginning
Speaker 2: is an adjective to describe the principle, because you could
Speaker 2: have an advanced principle, which would have a totally different meaning.
Speaker 2: So what you've just read is actually residual evidence because
Speaker 2: everything's changing. It's not just the Bible, it's the commentaries,
Speaker 2: it's books, it's movies, it's audio. All of reality is changing.
Speaker 2: And the theory is that quantum entanglement is part of
Speaker 2: this change. We believe the d wave of computers concern
Speaker 2: is involved in the technology that's being used to do this.
Speaker 2: So basically anywhere that human intent or human consciousness goes
Speaker 2: when they call for a change, then the change goes everywhere.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter, you know, like people are just
Speaker 2: so put off by the natural mind that this couldn't
Speaker 2: possibly happen. But yet you have a biblical example of
Speaker 2: this with Pharaoh's magicians. Barrel's magicians were able to use
Speaker 2: their dark arts to change a wood staff into a
Speaker 2: complex organism.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that, dude, we went over that, and
Speaker 1: that is like, it's fascinating men that they're they're showing
Speaker 1: you that and God knowing that Satan has power, God
Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen. But people nowadays don't even
Speaker 1: think like that, you know, they don't even think it's possible.
Speaker 1: And even if you talk to a Christian about that
Speaker 1: that they'd probably be like they just they just put
Speaker 1: it off to like maybe it's allegorical, maybe it's this,
Speaker 1: But dude, yeah, that part we're going over In Exodus,
Speaker 1: we went over it already. But you guys, guy's going
Speaker 1: to understand men that you know, the magi had powers
Speaker 1: that were, like I said, all the way up to
Speaker 1: the I don't even know what it was, the fifth
Speaker 1: plague or something or sixth plague. There were they were
Speaker 1: going hand for hand with God, right, but then when
Speaker 1: it came to the flies, they couldn't do it. And
Speaker 1: then you know, then it started getting more complex and
Speaker 1: they couldn't do it. And obviously the power that they're
Speaker 1: using is not the magized power or the Pharaoh's power
Speaker 1: a ras or Osiris or whatever little geod they had.
Speaker 1: The power they're using was the power of Satan. You know,
Speaker 1: that was Satan's power. They were using his magical magician sorcery, witchcraft,
Speaker 1: the type of stuff that the Bible tells you to
Speaker 1: stay away from. But nowadays that's not accepted by mainstream
Speaker 1: Christians as it even a power. They don't even understand it.
Speaker 1: And we've moved so far away from that. We got
Speaker 1: to understand that is it is here and there's many
Speaker 1: women and men, but women right now that are into
Speaker 1: witchcraft like big time, and we don't even know it,
Speaker 1: you know. And so anyways.
Speaker 2: Just wan no that's a great word. So a lot
Speaker 2: of pastors even have a very naturalistic worldview, like they'll say,
Speaker 2: what are you trying to tell me, John, that all
Speaker 2: the Bibles on every shelf are supernaturally changing, Like that's
Speaker 2: some far fetched idea. Yeah, these guys are the ones
Speaker 2: that believe all these stories in the Bible, like Joshua
Speaker 2: telling the Son stands still over the valley of Ajalon
Speaker 2: and the Lord answered his prayer. Never since or before
Speaker 2: has that got So you believe that you believe Moses
Speaker 2: part of the Red Sea. Yeah, okay, well, what's your problem?
Speaker 2: This is not so far fetched at all.
Speaker 1: So here's me.
Speaker 2: Since we're run out of time, let me give you
Speaker 2: the wrap up. I think I've made my case here.
Speaker 2: There's more examples in my book. There's over three hundred citations.
Speaker 2: Just go get the book. What God is doing in
Speaker 2: this judgment is he's coming to his people with a
Speaker 2: very simple question. He's asking you, do you know me?
Speaker 2: Or do you just know my book? Because the Pharisees
Speaker 2: knew the book, but they didn't know Jesus. And so
Speaker 2: in the second chapter of my book, I give a
Speaker 2: great detail to the incident with Abraham Abraham walked with
Speaker 2: God and he knew God. But he also had fixed
Speaker 2: knowledge of God. He had writings, he had you know,
Speaker 2: enochx writings, He had different writings. And God comes to
Speaker 2: him with this very, very difficult request. I want you
Speaker 2: to take your son up here and slit his throat.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no happy way to kill your son
Speaker 2: in sacrifice. Well, Abraham, it says he didn't even hesitate,
Speaker 2: he didn't question God. So but at that moment, Abraham
Speaker 2: had to choose between the word and the voice of God.
Speaker 2: God is a talking God. He's a veritable chatterbox if
Speaker 2: you're listening. But he had to choose. And what God
Speaker 2: is doing is he's coming to his church now with
Speaker 2: the same question, and the church is failing miserably. He's
Speaker 2: allowing the devil to come in and corrupt the scriptures.
Speaker 2: And the voice of a stranger now appearing in your Bible.
Speaker 2: I've just illustrated that. And the church isn't noticing. The
Speaker 2: church is choosing the word over the voice. And God
Speaker 2: is saying, do you know me or do you just
Speaker 2: know my book? Do you know the author of the book?
Speaker 2: Because he's screaming to get your attention, and everyone's stopping
Speaker 2: their ears because it goes against their denominational tradition, which
Speaker 2: is all the doctrine of preservation is. The doctrine of
Speaker 2: preservation is built on these two pillars. The preservation promises,
Speaker 2: which I cover in verse chapter five, and then what's
Speaker 2: called theological necessity. This is the first pillar of this
Speaker 2: quote doctrine, and what it is is a presumption. And
Speaker 2: it goes like this, Well, God gave us his words,
Speaker 2: so of course he's gonna preserve it. I'm here to
Speaker 2: tell you there are libraries of books and articles and
Speaker 2: tomes written on that topic. That concept right there. Well,
Speaker 2: the word is inspired. God's word is inspired. Therefore it's preserved.
Speaker 2: Show me chapter and verse produce one scripture that says
Speaker 2: inspiration automatically equates to preservation. No. No, theological necessity, which
Speaker 2: is a pillar of the doctrine. Preservation is a guess.
Speaker 2: It is a sentimental guess. It isn't a doctrine. That's
Speaker 2: why I say the mandelifect community is more orthodox than
Speaker 2: the Church. I'm demanding a strict adherence. I'm demanding soloscript or.
Speaker 2: The Church is demanding that we accept this concept as
Speaker 2: a doctrine. I'll give you a doctrine that shall not murder.
Speaker 2: That's not a concept that you have to accept by faith,
Speaker 2: which is what the doctrine preservation is, and they'll tell
Speaker 2: you that. So this is a showdown like Elijah with
Speaker 2: the prophets of Bell and with the church. And I'm
Speaker 2: about to launch a worldwide outreach. We're launching a new division.
Speaker 2: It's called SBCO International. The new website will be altered
Speaker 2: Bible dot com. It's not up yet, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to be giving my book away. We're raising funds, so
Speaker 2: if you'd like to participate, reach out to me at
Speaker 2: Wake Up or else at Proton dot We raised twenty
Speaker 2: seven hundred dollars last month, and we're going to fund
Speaker 2: an outreach of the book where we give the book away,
Speaker 2: and my goal is to give away ten million copies.
Speaker 2: Because the church leaders are ignoring us and we're so
Speaker 2: we're going to go around them to their donors. Because
Speaker 2: when Mac the owner of the trucking company who's tie
Speaker 2: this three thousand a week, who doesn't have an agenda,
Speaker 2: gets a hold of my book and it blows his
Speaker 2: hairs back and he's like, this is really happening, and
Speaker 2: he goes to the pastor. He's going to get the meeting.
Speaker 2: I can't get the meeting with the pastor. But mac
Speaker 2: Can and the donors are going to force the hand
Speaker 2: of the shepherds, and we're going to see a reformation
Speaker 2: of the churches. The way they run their solemn assemblies,
Speaker 2: the way they have the way they have created an
Speaker 2: environment where the Bible is being given an inappropriate emphasis
Speaker 2: in the in the life of the believer. It's inappropriate.
Speaker 2: It's become an idol. And God wants to have his
Speaker 2: way with his people. He wants to come into your
Speaker 2: solemn assemblies and knock sally over with the power of God.
Speaker 2: It's all through your Bible and study revivals. It's all
Speaker 2: through every recorded version of every of revival. And God's
Speaker 2: set up with all of your miracle doctrines, miracle cancelations,
Speaker 2: doctrines where you're keeping God out because it's not decently
Speaker 2: in order. That was a very specific direction to people
Speaker 2: to conduct certain the way they brought prophecies. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that God can't astonish his people and move in
Speaker 2: power and have angels appearing, and have people frozen, and
Speaker 2: have people falling and shaking and crying and laughing and
Speaker 2: all all kinds of things that are gonna be. You're
Speaker 2: gonna be out of control, church leader. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: have control of your service. God is He's gonna come
Speaker 2: suddenly into his temple and he's gonna do what you've
Speaker 2: tried to do in twenty years of counseling. God will
Speaker 2: do in five ten minutes on the floor. That's church.
Speaker 2: That's the way church is supposed to be. Where you
Speaker 2: when's the last time you ran to church because you
Speaker 2: couldn't wait to get there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I know there was a time when there was
Speaker 1: like a section where you had to go because the
Speaker 1: church is too full, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to go and watch it on a big screen.
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, just so well, I gotta watch
Speaker 1: it on the big screen. And they don't even mind it,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, right, I know, bro, I remember, I remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: and even back in the Calvary Chapel days because you know,
Speaker 1: I've uh effort that there was just like a tent
Speaker 1: for no ac. They don't even care. And dude, here's
Speaker 1: the here's the thing. Go to China, man, They're they're
Speaker 1: in underground churches like studying the Word of God, and
Speaker 1: you know that when they can be punishable by death,
Speaker 1: and they're just like they have like a sheet, they
Speaker 1: have every they have basically trying to have the Bible memorized,
Speaker 1: you know, because they can't even have a physical copy
Speaker 1: in some cases. So and we're over here, you know,
Speaker 1: able to look up any you can look up any
Speaker 1: sermon from any time, you know, basically now on YouTube.
Speaker 1: So it's crazy. But yeah, so everybody in my house
Speaker 1: is awake. Now I could tell.
Speaker 2: Man, I know, you got business to take care of.
Speaker 1: The kids are awake, the puppies are awake. So you
Speaker 1: guys hear that in the background. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you before we get off. We have like an we
Speaker 1: have like another ten minutes. Awesome, cool, What is your
Speaker 1: thoughts on You looked up the Final Experiment and everything
Speaker 1: they're trying to say is the.
Speaker 2: Final Oh yeah, there's already videos debunking because the shadows
Speaker 2: aren't aren't right, And yeah, you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: they got to Jaronism because first of all, I can't
Speaker 2: prove that that's true. In other words, it's like somebody
Speaker 2: trying to tell me that the Earth is round because
Speaker 2: the astronauts say so, Well, that's not science, that's not
Speaker 2: repeatable and measurable. Yeah, So this this charade, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's behind it. You know, does Jeronism have kids
Speaker 2: that they go to them and say, look, we're gonna
Speaker 2: either kill your kids in front of you, or we'll
Speaker 2: give you a billion dollars. Yeah, you can pick one, right,
Speaker 2: And that could happen, or you know, they could have
Speaker 2: killed the guy and put a mask on somebody that
Speaker 2: looks like Jeronism and going up there and done. That's
Speaker 2: nothing to me because I can still see at fifty
Speaker 2: miles away there's sixteen hundred feet of curvature. I should
Speaker 2: still be able to see, or I shouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to see this an eight hundred foot building, and I
Speaker 2: can so until somebody explains why there's no curve. To me,
Speaker 2: the earth isn't round.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And and I just want to let you
Speaker 1: guys know, I was actually I came in fourth I
Speaker 1: was going to go on this trip. I was on
Speaker 1: the final experiment, and and I came into fourth place.
Speaker 1: I wish that he would have sent me because I
Speaker 1: stand on the word of God. Yeah, yeah, I almost
Speaker 1: went because it was it was there was like this
Speaker 1: thing called the Golden Ticket, and I basically I emailed
Speaker 1: Pastor world Duffy because he's been on my show, and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'll go. I've been in the military,
Speaker 1: in the Army. I can embrace the suck if it's
Speaker 1: like too cold or whatever. Die I've been through there.
Speaker 1: I've been there, been there, done that, No problem. Send me.
Speaker 1: And also I told him, I said, bro, I stand
Speaker 1: on the word of God. Bro like and I and
Speaker 1: I'm representing biblical cosmology. I'm not representing flat Earth. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to have people pay me to for me
Speaker 1: to speak. I'm here for free. So I will be
Speaker 1: representing God, dude. And and it's gonna be like different
Speaker 1: than than the the scenarios that maybe Jared and and
Speaker 1: wits it are in, you know, because they they live
Speaker 1: by podcasting. That's that's how they make money.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I have a full time job. I don't
Speaker 1: need to need to be I don't need the money,
Speaker 1: So let me just go see what's up. And for me,
Speaker 1: it's not definitive proof of a globe anyways. But still,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be there to represent the Christian
Speaker 1: side God. I'm not going to go against that. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie against God. You could kill me,
Speaker 1: I don't and cut my head off, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: still going to represent God. So anyways, so that's something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I have I talked to Jaron a little bit
Speaker 1: via a telegram or whatever it's called, and you know,
Speaker 1: he you know, I just told him have a safe trip,
Speaker 1: and he kind of responded back to me. Who knows
Speaker 1: what time will tell. But guys, just so just for
Speaker 1: the flat Earth or the Biblical cosmology community, just like
Speaker 1: John was saying, we had a slam dunk when it
Speaker 1: came to the Chicago skyline for flat Earth, right, and
Speaker 1: and now they have something that you can kind of
Speaker 1: maybe put into the globe basket, but there's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff you could put in the flat basket
Speaker 1: you cannot put in the glow basket. So we're still
Speaker 1: there and Biblical cosmology is still there. So it's all
Speaker 1: live and well. So yeah, thank you John. Ay, what
Speaker 1: a great show, bro, what an awesome show. And it's
Speaker 1: very interesting and for those that are triggered by this
Speaker 1: in any way, we're just I allow people to I
Speaker 1: have freedom of speech on my platform. I let people speak,
Speaker 1: and if they've researched something deeply, I like them to
Speaker 1: come out with it because we need to have different ideas,
Speaker 1: and if it goes against your beliefs, tough. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna allow people to speak. Now, if somebody comes on
Speaker 1: my show with some new age, some satanic something that
Speaker 1: I know is against the Bible one hundred percent, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to allow them to deal on my platform.
Speaker 1: I don't want that. But what I will tell you
Speaker 1: if I have somebody that's biblical, like I know John
Speaker 1: is he's been studying the Bible for like thirty or
Speaker 1: forty years and he's gonna come on with and he's
Speaker 1: researched something, I'm going to allow them to speak. So
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on. And guys, tell me
Speaker 1: this wasn't a fun episode. Every time I have John on,
Speaker 1: I have a great time with him. And I wanted
Speaker 1: to show you guys on the Sunday Service crew John,
Speaker 1: and I want you. I want to in you guys
Speaker 1: to him his channel. He's doing a lot of good
Speaker 1: things over there. So John, shout out your channel, shout
Speaker 1: out your book, shout out anything you want to shout
Speaker 1: out before we exit.
Speaker 2: You got it. It's we're on wakeuporrelse dot com. We're
Speaker 2: on wake Up or Else on YouTube, that's where most
Speaker 2: of the content is. But we just recently moved over
Speaker 2: to Rumble. That's where all the new content is and
Speaker 2: where we do our live streams every Thursday and Saturdays
Speaker 2: at seven pm Eastern and uh you can find us
Speaker 2: so on Rumble YouTube and x and we will be
Speaker 2: uh launching the new outreach very soon where we're going
Speaker 2: to take the book and give it away to the
Speaker 2: entire body of Christ. And that's when we're going to
Speaker 2: start to see church leaders that are actually coming on board.
Speaker 2: And then also we're going to force those that are
Speaker 2: going to take the other side to come on and
Speaker 2: answer our questions, which they're not going to be able
Speaker 2: to do. And that's going to be the most red
Speaker 2: meat content I've ever had, is when I have real
Speaker 2: major ministries, heads of Bible cologists, stakeholders in denominations that
Speaker 2: come on my channel. Now, by the way, I have
Speaker 2: one friend whose name is doctor Paul Grafton Holt. He
Speaker 2: has four theological degrees, including a PhD in theology. He's
Speaker 2: written twelve academic theological books. One of them is called
Speaker 2: The King James Bible and the Quantum Effect. So this
Speaker 2: man has jeopardized his reputation and published a book saying
Speaker 2: the Bible's supernaturally changing. So we are not biblically illiterate
Speaker 2: boobs and we're just confused. Please, this is really happening.
Speaker 1: And people, and I'll tell you right now, pastors and
Speaker 1: people that I speak to that have written books, have
Speaker 1: done all these. You know, I would say they're theologians.
Speaker 1: They stay away from biblical cosmology. Like the plague. They
Speaker 1: come on my show, they don't. They don't want to
Speaker 1: debate me verse by verse. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: out there. And if there is anybody out there that
Speaker 1: thinks they're a theologian, and once does it come into
Speaker 1: talk to me, you can come on my show anytime
Speaker 1: and we could talk verse by verse on biblical cosmology.
Speaker 1: But they avoid it. Like the plague. As soon as
Speaker 1: I mentioned it, they are gone. And if and and
Speaker 1: also I've had people that I respect dearly that are
Speaker 1: that I really love their work. I asked them, will
Speaker 1: you allow it? I allowed you to come on my
Speaker 1: show several times and I let you talk whatever you
Speaker 1: want to talk, and it's fine. Will you allow me
Speaker 1: to go on your show and do biblical cosmology? And
Speaker 1: they said, no, please don't do that. Please don't do that.
Speaker 1: So you understand, it's avoided like the plague, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of subjects that are avoided, and there's a
Speaker 1: reason for it. You know. They want to keep butts
Speaker 1: of the seat and they want to keep listeners on
Speaker 1: their show. But me and John, you know, I'm I
Speaker 1: don't mind. I'm just going to tell you what. I
Speaker 1: just try to go with, you know, I try to
Speaker 1: tell you guys, we want to go with the truth.
Speaker 1: We don't avoid stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think, well, they're mistaken. They What they
Speaker 2: don't realize is this kind of information would be the
Speaker 2: greatest thing that ever happened to there. I have five
Speaker 2: new people a day joining my channels, So it's not true.
Speaker 2: All right, people want to know these things. They're relevant,
Speaker 2: they're interesting, you know, it's all happening. It's raining red pills.
Speaker 2: But the rich Young Ruler principle guides most church leaders.
Speaker 2: They're afraid of losing control of their fiefdoms, and so
Speaker 2: they're playing it safe and that time is coming up.
Speaker 2: That's it's gonna be over. They're gonna be Ichabod over
Speaker 2: their church.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, So yeah, thank you John. We'll end here.
Speaker 1: I got the dogs barking in the background.
Speaker 2: You got it, man, Thanks for having me, Josh arazy.
Speaker 1: All right, So we like we always do. Sorry if
Speaker 1: you guys hear a dog bark in the background, I
Speaker 1: cannot help it. I'm trying to do my best, all right.
Speaker 1: So we'll end us in prayer. So Father God in
Speaker 1: the name cases just Sue with the Maciak's name. We
Speaker 1: appreciate everything you do for us. Lord. We are trying
Speaker 1: to do our best to teach these certain subjects, and
Speaker 1: some of them are controversial to you know, the church leaders,
Speaker 1: the pastors and the people that everybody looks up to.
Speaker 1: But you know, Lord, we are We're just a radio
Speaker 1: program doing our best. And I know that John is
Speaker 1: study deeply, So help him when he's when he's teaching
Speaker 1: these subjects, to teach it properly and intricately, and teach
Speaker 1: it the way that you wanted to teach it. And
Speaker 1: when I'm teaching, Lord, going through Exodus next week. Please
Speaker 1: help me to teach it the best that I can
Speaker 1: as well, however you want me to do it. Lord.
Speaker 1: And we appreciate everything you do for us on a
Speaker 1: day to day basis, the food that we eat, the
Speaker 1: water that we drink, the air that we breathe. We
Speaker 1: appreciate everything you do for us, Lord, and we appreciate
Speaker 1: you giving us the ability to read the Bible and
Speaker 1: to be able to even study in different languages and
Speaker 1: all this different stuff. So Lord, we just asked that
Speaker 1: you protect us. We protect John when he's out doing
Speaker 1: his thing, protect me Lord when I'm doing my thing.
Speaker 1: And anybody that's listening that's on the fence that doesn't
Speaker 1: believe in you, let Lord Lord, help them to get
Speaker 1: closer to you. That's the reason for this podcast is
Speaker 1: to bring people closer to you, Lord, So please help
Speaker 1: us do that. We love you in Jesus' name. Amen.
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