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<v Speaker 1>The Team House with your hosts Jack Murphy and David Bark. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jack Murphy here with David Park. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Team House. This is episode one eighty something for eighty

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<v Speaker 1>four Good Call. We're here with our guest tonight, Patrick McNamara.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat served in Special Forces and in an Army Special

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<v Speaker 1>Mission unit, and today he does some coaching through the

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<v Speaker 1>Pat Mac Keep the Blaze Alive program. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Pat.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us on

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<v Speaker 1>a Tuesday evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, thanks for having me, guys. Appreciate you allowing me

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<v Speaker 2>to grace your company and your podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>So hey, we're gonna jump right into it. Man, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna ask you, what's your origin story? If you're a

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<v Speaker 1>superhero comic book guy, you know where you bit by

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<v Speaker 1>a radioactive spider? Was there some cosmic rays that you

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<v Speaker 1>got hit with? I mean, what was what was your

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<v Speaker 1>origin story? Like growing up and the sort of pathway

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<v Speaker 1>that took you towards military service.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a funny, That's that's what I like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>like the way you you you approached that. It's cool. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was kind of a slow transition because

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<v Speaker 2>I was an oddball kid. I was, I'm gonna say,

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<v Speaker 2>a gentle kid. You know, I did all a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of oddball hobbies. I'm an art I still am artist.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh Uh. I'm an avid bird watcher and so was

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<v Speaker 2>I back then, which you know, didn't gain me a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of popularity of the tough kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Crowd that the bird watchers didn't have groupies that would show, well.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't get mad girls birdwatching.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was. It's funny how that works. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>chicks don't really dig bird watch. It's funny how that works.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean just a lot of odd ball stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a metamorphosis, which you know, so I guess

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<v Speaker 2>my my superpower what do you call it? What you

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<v Speaker 2>superhero origins? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a it was

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<v Speaker 2>a metamorphosis of sorts, uh having you know, just being

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<v Speaker 2>a real gentle kid, getting my ass kicked by everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>bullied by everybody, uh and one of them was the

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<v Speaker 2>older brother. My older brother bullied the ship out of

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<v Speaker 2>me and pretty much tormented me. And I was uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even like being in the under the same

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<v Speaker 2>roof as him and my parents were. They were sword

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<v Speaker 2>of wise to it, but they didn't know the extent

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<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't gonna rat them out. Plus there was

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<v Speaker 2>threats to me that, you know, if I ratted them

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<v Speaker 2>outches getting stitches. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But he

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<v Speaker 2>went to prison when I was fourth. The first time

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<v Speaker 2>he went to prison, I was about fourteen years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when I had like a second chance. That

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<v Speaker 2>was my first second lease on life, first one. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about my second one later. But I had a

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<v Speaker 2>second lease on life and I joined a wrestling team

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<v Speaker 2>at my high school. I sucked bad, I got beat

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<v Speaker 2>by everybody. I started lifting weights, and you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you're fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, you're growing. Had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>really cool mentors that would also teach me to fight

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<v Speaker 2>and encourage me because they were the ones who said, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you got a year and a half, just under two

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<v Speaker 2>years before your brother gets out of prison. What are

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna do? What's your recourse? How are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to face that freaking monsoon? Because they all knew, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>knew my parents were in denial, so they helped me

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<v Speaker 2>out a lot. Then I got good at wrestling, and

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<v Speaker 2>I started getting good grades and I loved the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the camaraderie, the team, the team conraaderie, and and the

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<v Speaker 2>physical turmoil, you know, and the personal gain, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the feeling of winning. I loved it. I loved that. Uh. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was one of one of my driving

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<v Speaker 2>forces is whence I graduated high school, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>feel that feeling again. Oh, by the way, when my

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<v Speaker 2>brother get back from prison, I kicked his assne in

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<v Speaker 2>front of my parents. Nice yep, And so I set

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<v Speaker 2>up a.

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<v Speaker 3>New relationship between you two just out of curiosity, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't set a boundary.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you guys have a Kumbaya moment after that? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, I hated his guts till the day he died. Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that's definitely probably the best superhero origin we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard on the show so far. About like hit the gym,

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<v Speaker 1>warning to wrestle, and kicking your tormentor's ass. That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, yeah, uh but it really I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>do owe him, right, so I do have to credit

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<v Speaker 2>him to some degree for being just a total douchebag.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh But yep, No, we'd never bury the hatchet. No,

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<v Speaker 2>and that wasn't gonna happen. He never changed, never changed.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one of those you know, leeches on society,

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<v Speaker 2>never worked, just that got handed free ship. Yeah, responsibility,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah yeah, in and out of the prison system

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<v Speaker 2>forever thought. He was a tough guy, covered with jailhouse tasks.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a real work of you know, just a real

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<v Speaker 2>peace just a real mixed bag of loose spare parts.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh yeah, so I knew I needed that again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that that uh, that camaraderie, that team cohesion,

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<v Speaker 2>that physical turmoil winning, uh, winning and losing, to know

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. Uh. And my dad was into it

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<v Speaker 2>that I wanted to join the military. He was into

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<v Speaker 2>a big time, so he helped me out. I did

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<v Speaker 2>go to the recruiter the recruiters, because I went to all

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<v Speaker 2>of them. I did go on my own without him knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was seventy, and the Army at the time

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<v Speaker 2>had the best answer because there was like immediate action

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<v Speaker 2>I could go into, become an airborne ranger or the

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<v Speaker 2>s A baby program was a thing at that time

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<v Speaker 2>here in nineteen eighty three. And I came back and

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<v Speaker 2>told my dad and he said, did you sign anything?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, not yet. I want to talk to you say,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going we're going down with the lawyer. Wow, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he knows, he knows, you know that recruiters

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<v Speaker 2>can't do some slimy sh Yeah, no, it's it's great. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he adjusted the paperwork, the recruiter did. He

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<v Speaker 2>adjusted it, he made some he made some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>he erased something and penciled something in.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I signed up for basically that the Brand eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>X ray program, which man I had to go to

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<v Speaker 2>infantry basic training, so at thirteen weeks what twelve thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>weeks there and then to airborne school and then to

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<v Speaker 2>the s F course. If I made all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I get jacked up in airborne school, I

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<v Speaker 2>was distinguished on a graduate in basic training. I go

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<v Speaker 2>to airborne school and my second jump, I'm a freaking

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<v Speaker 2>toad jumper. Oh my god, all the way across fire

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<v Speaker 2>drops one on the second, one out, the last one

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<v Speaker 2>to land thankfully. Yeah, all the way across what's that?

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<v Speaker 2>A minute and a half drops? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 3>That For those for people who don't know what a

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<v Speaker 3>toad jumper is, can you please tell them and describe

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<v Speaker 3>your experience as a toad jumper experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. Well, so when you first learn how to jump,

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<v Speaker 2>you're jumping static line, so it's static line hooks to

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<v Speaker 2>it inboard cable and or to a cable that runs

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<v Speaker 2>the length of the aircraft, and once you jump out

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<v Speaker 2>and reach the end of the static line, it deploys

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<v Speaker 2>your shoot for you. Well, in this particular case, that

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<v Speaker 2>static line got wrapped under my reserve and around my arm.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was just outside the door thankfully, see when

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, I think thankfully, See when thirty versus see

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<v Speaker 2>one forty one. I'm not sure if that's a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing or not. But it was bad immediately because this

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<v Speaker 2>was also tearing my body apart right because I felt it.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt it around my body, and I was hitting

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<v Speaker 2>the plane boom boom, boom, boom boom, and I visibly

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<v Speaker 2>saw people going over me, right over the top of me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just spinning in circles, and all I

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<v Speaker 2>could vaguely remember, you know, the jump master briefing about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, putting a hand on a helmet and one

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<v Speaker 2>on the reserve. Vaguely remember that, But there was no

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<v Speaker 2>freaking way that was happening. I was. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>all three state of mind that was irrepairable at that point. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>thankfully it came loose. I hit a few times and

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<v Speaker 2>it came loose. Now under canopy. That's when I realized

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<v Speaker 2>I am jacked up. I am jacked I'm jacked up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm jacked up. There was nothing but mones and groans

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<v Speaker 2>coming from my body, just moans and groans. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just a limp sack of shit underneath a T ten parachute,

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<v Speaker 2>Just just a limp, limp sack of shit. I hit

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<v Speaker 2>the I hit the deck. I land on my same

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<v Speaker 2>injured side, and at the time I didn't know, but

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of injuries, including broken ribs and concussion, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>disocated shoulder, and I fall on that side, so there

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<v Speaker 2>was no PLF, you know, parachute landing fall right, I

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<v Speaker 2>had two points of contact feet and that my injured side.

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<v Speaker 2>And then to add insult to injury, a gust of

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<v Speaker 2>wind comes and now I'm getting drug across Ryer drop

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<v Speaker 2>zone and I'm all bashed up. And then I can

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<v Speaker 2>hear one of the black cats, one of the instructors,

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<v Speaker 2>yelling at me, saying, good up, Leeric, you over there

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<v Speaker 2>getting drug released. One of your cable looket canopy release

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<v Speaker 2>assemblies now leg and I'm like mother fucker, except without

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<v Speaker 2>that level of enthusiasm. But I did hear him and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew he was yelling at me, and I popped

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<v Speaker 2>a cable boom. The shoote collapsed and then I'm laying

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<v Speaker 2>there and I'm going, what and what in the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>just happened? This jumping thing sucks? But I did pack

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<v Speaker 2>up my parachute in the kit bag, went back to

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<v Speaker 2>the assembly area. Now I still had no idea how

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<v Speaker 2>bad I was. When I got there, I saw the

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<v Speaker 2>black cats. They were looking. They were looking for people

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<v Speaker 2>because apparently I didn't know this. They saw that somebody

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<v Speaker 2>was told right, So now they're all looking. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>where is this dude? Well, I saw buddy mine and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, dude, you okay, you look you Because I

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<v Speaker 2>know I was ashen. I was shocky still and I

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<v Speaker 2>had blood, you know, coming down on this side of

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<v Speaker 2>my brain bucket, and I said, bro, I am I

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<v Speaker 2>am hurt. Something's really bad with my arm and he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Countain on my bads. I had rope burns and

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<v Speaker 2>he's going, what down And he says take it off.

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<v Speaker 2>I says I can't. I can't move this arm. I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot there's no signal from here to there, there's none.

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<v Speaker 2>So he helped me unbuckled my button my blouse and

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<v Speaker 2>pulled it down. And then when I saw that bicep

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<v Speaker 2>forearm all yeah, and like the skin was almost translucent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I immediately heaved he because now I knew

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<v Speaker 2>why why I was hurting so bad. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>ribs everything. But then the black cats saw they came over. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you the guy, yes, and they were dude like velvet gloves,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, velvet gloves. They were like, bro sit down

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<v Speaker 2>over here. The uh, the heat just left with a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who broke his leg. We got to bus you

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<v Speaker 2>to Martin Army Hospital. So I had to bust there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a bumpy rhymes right, jiggling me all

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<v Speaker 2>then there's more. Then there's more. The hospital's nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, airfield seizures. Anyway, That's that was how

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<v Speaker 3>So did you so, I mean, I know that having

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<v Speaker 3>the the bicep detached is a common injury with with

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<v Speaker 3>that when you get towed. Did they did that do

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you could see that star there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And this bicep is still a lot smaller than my

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<v Speaker 2>the way he explain it to me says, this is

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<v Speaker 2>we could salvage. Wow. Insurgent's name was perlic I remember

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<v Speaker 1>So that's funny. Cool then, I mean, at least they

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, nope, nope, nope. I was in the hospital for

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<v Speaker 2>hell it's called training thingy, And yeah, I had to

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<v Speaker 2>in February, so you had to continue the course. They didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff, right, So they put me right on a plane,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean ground. That's good. And dude, they were. They

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<v Speaker 2>were cool as hell. The instructors put me first in

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<v Speaker 2>the door, and I remember this one jump master, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>telling me stand in the door. I hand it in

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<v Speaker 2>my static line and he grabbed it from me and

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<v Speaker 2>he looked me right in the face. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I got this thing. Yeah he's not getting ejacuar there.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool as hell. They were cool as hell. They were

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<v Speaker 2>two first in the doors and then one in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the stick. Yeah, and then from there did

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<v Speaker 2>you go from there right to the SF course, which

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<v Speaker 2>was I mean, I'm not in peak shape now when

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I was a state champion wrestlerans and weightlifter

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<v Speaker 2>and I got to start the s F course. I

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<v Speaker 2>started on my birthday in nineteen eighty four, yep, on

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<v Speaker 2>my ninth birthday. And it wasn't like today where they

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<v Speaker 2>have like SFAs they had pre phase, which was nothing

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<v Speaker 2>more than just an absolute smoke fest for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks and just trim the fat. Let's see who

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<v Speaker 2>could put up with this shit? You know. They were

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<v Speaker 2>of that. The rest of the SF course was similar

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<v Speaker 2>to what is today, but that was filled with several

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<v Speaker 2>out of Camra Call, I couldn't get hot shot like

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<v Speaker 2>I think like twice or three times a week, they

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<v Speaker 2>would bring in hot a's, you know, and instead of

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<v Speaker 2>c rations because mrs weren't out just yet, they were

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<v Speaker 2>almost there. And in order to get hot a's you

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<v Speaker 2>had to do ten pull ups with your kid on

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<v Speaker 2>and climb the rope. And I'd had no biceps still,

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<v Speaker 2>I was still building this thing back, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was young, and it didn't take long before I

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<v Speaker 2>was able to knock them out again, which sucked because

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<v Speaker 2>you know before that I was one of these, like

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<v Speaker 2>record in basic training. Right now I couldn't Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't do any to feed myself. But now you know,

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<v Speaker 2>little there was just tons of speed bumps like that.

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<v Speaker 2>S of course sucked. I failed out of first phase. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was for bullshit reason, bullshit reason. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was the Cadre at the time, they weren't too

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<v Speaker 2>keen of us eighteen X rays. You know, it's that

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<v Speaker 2>babes right and man. And back then they still had

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<v Speaker 2>the survival program. You know, six days out in you

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<v Speaker 2>worry and you're issued one ration a live chicken or

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<v Speaker 2>a live rabbit for those six days and then you

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<v Speaker 2>got like twenty one task to complete in this in

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<v Speaker 2>this amount of time. But I did good on survival.

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<v Speaker 2>I did good. And one of the instructors was he

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<v Speaker 2>was just jealous. They would come out every night and

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<v Speaker 2>check on you, and he wrote me up for some bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I already had a couple red tick

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<v Speaker 2>marks and that was that that put me over the edge.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to do first phase all over again,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So they were really gatekeeping with the beginning of that

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<v Speaker 3>eight to X ray program.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yep, absolutely, But I

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<v Speaker 2>made it through and then I went to a first group,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I learned pretty quick that I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not so special afterwards, because what the hell does a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nineteen year old private h private first class.

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<v Speaker 2>No not, you know, freaking asset to an eighteen. But

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<v Speaker 2>I did get assigned to an eighteen H. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys were all either eighty second Airborne or first

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<v Speaker 2>or second Range of Battalion. You know, they were badass

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<v Speaker 2>infantry men. You know, they all had all this infantry experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I had nothing, zero goose egg, but but it went well.

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<v Speaker 2>I was fast track and I had by the time

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<v Speaker 2>I was I think I was a buck start. No

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<v Speaker 2>maybe steps, But if I was twenty two years old,

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<v Speaker 2>I had two s fm OS's eighteen Bravo eighteen Echo

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<v Speaker 2>and I was a Whiskey nine so combat Dive and

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<v Speaker 2>Halo right by the time I was twenty two. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was fast tracking, fast tracking, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>high speed load drag at a early age. And first

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<v Speaker 2>group was fun, you know, but it was all FID stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's peacetime Army. You know, you're not do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, it was a lot of a lot of Thailand, Philippines,

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<v Speaker 1>Korea at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thailand, Philippines yep, Bingo, yep, yep, yep. And I love

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<v Speaker 2>those trips. It was great, you know, I immersed myself

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<v Speaker 2>in the culture. But uh, out of the blue man,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of us got pulled to this recruiting meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like, hey, you meet the requirements, go see

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<v Speaker 2>this recruiting building number, you know, Hotel one oh four

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<v Speaker 2>whatever something like that. Uh. And I went there and

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<v Speaker 2>here's some dude in civilian clothes and long hair, he's

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<v Speaker 2>in a suit, and he was so freaking vague. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the amount of ambiguity was ridiculous. I I

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<v Speaker 2>I equate it to will Smith and Men in Black

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<v Speaker 2>when he's in that room with the with the half

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<v Speaker 2>dome chairs and he's asking torn, now, what are we

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<v Speaker 2>doing here again?

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<v Speaker 4>Here's because you're the best of the best of the best.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not on some inner galactic tugger here. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>so it was like it was like what what what O?

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<v Speaker 4>It's very bague bage. I don't even think he said.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he said, work in the European theater, you

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<v Speaker 4>know that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, and you're gonna, you know, learn a language it Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta grow your hair out. You can have a

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<v Speaker 2>civilian clothing allowance in this kind of crap. And I'm like, well, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds a hell of a lot better than foreign

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<v Speaker 2>internal defense. I mean that sounds like you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it was interesting. I said, hell yeah, because that's the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with with the military, right, it's all about up,

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<v Speaker 2>getting righting the next thing right. The opportunity presents itself

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<v Speaker 2>to say, yep, I want that I want that course,

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<v Speaker 2>I want that course, I want that school. Yep, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to level up, level up, level up. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go to that battalion now or that unit. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you're spending a career at it, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to level up, right, I mean that's the objective, and

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<v Speaker 2>that should be That's a good metaphor for life too.

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<v Speaker 2>We should want to always continue to level up. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't end, you know, that cycle. So yeah, they sent

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<v Speaker 2>me to dl I, you know, Defense Language Institute, Monterey, California,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an eye opener, and then learn learn German.

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<v Speaker 2>You think you do you know, and you test out well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah three three in freaking German, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you get there on the ground you realize you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know shit. Once again, here we go again, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know shit because you know, actually speaking to people is

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot different than being in the classroom environment

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<v Speaker 2>and just check and talking to the teacher in nice

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<v Speaker 2>comfort zone. But yeah, I immersed myself in that too.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I would I would talk to small like

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<v Speaker 2>merchants and uh I joined a uh oh, back to that,

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<v Speaker 2>back to the job. So that was P. S. S. E.

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<v Speaker 2>And which was it was? It was cool in that

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was it was. It was cloak and

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<v Speaker 2>dagger ship right, so it's it's peacetime army. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the heat of Cold War, right, So I had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that these things existed. Most people didn't and

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<v Speaker 2>most people didn't, but but they do and and they

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<v Speaker 2>still do. Ship like this still exists. Uh So we

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of, you know, we we were the backup

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<v Speaker 2>plan in case the balloon went up in Soviets invaded,

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<v Speaker 2>so now we'd have a a stay behind for us

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<v Speaker 2>in Berlin because that was kind of the epicenter for

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<v Speaker 2>everything spy right. It was in the middle of all

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<v Speaker 2>the ship plus Berlin sat in the middle of Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>East Germany too, you know, so uh and it was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It was cloaking dagger ship. You're doing a lot. You

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<v Speaker 2>walk in the streets, you're pounding the pavement a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and you're working. You're working routes in case

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<v Speaker 2>you have to pick up that double agent. You're working routes,

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<v Speaker 2>your your your your uh uh uh, monitoring signal sites,

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<v Speaker 2>you're loading dead drop sites. It was all that street

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<v Speaker 2>craft trade craft stuff. I think they changed the name

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<v Speaker 2>tradecraft to street craft. But uh, anyway, Pat.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to point out for viewers out there.

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<v Speaker 1>P s SC was the unit that preceded or came

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<v Speaker 1>after Special Forces Detachment A in Berlin. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>they had to kind of change the cover because it

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<v Speaker 1>got exposed after Desert one and Go and p s

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<v Speaker 1>S it. Correct me if I'm wrong. Physical Sensitive Security

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<v Speaker 1>Element was the name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Pat, was there was there a reason. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>when you think of that, when you think of that

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<v Speaker 3>unit often you think of tenth Group. But they were

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<v Speaker 3>pulling people from everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no so that. I think that was another change, right.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no affiliation with tent group, with PSSC. There

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<v Speaker 2>was with that a right, no affiliation yep. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was it was. It was fun. It was fun.

415
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<v Speaker 2>It was a fun job. You know. It really wasn't that.

416
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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't as deep into the Cold War as I

417
00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:32.880
<v Speaker 2>thought I was until my next job there. But uh,

418
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.640
<v Speaker 2>it was great, man. You you really learned you know,

419
00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:41.039
<v Speaker 2>the streets, the subway systems, the s bahns, uh, the merchants,

420
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:45.799
<v Speaker 2>the businesses, the bars, the alleys, you know everything. The

421
00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:51.079
<v Speaker 2>shithole hold ship, shithole hotels. Uh. You knew it inside

422
00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:55.599
<v Speaker 2>and out. You really got to know that place well. Uh.

423
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:58.440
<v Speaker 2>And it was just like one exercise after the other,

424
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:02.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, with with picking up uh agents and you know,

425
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:08.440
<v Speaker 2>fall off of uh fought agents. But out of the blue,

426
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:14.400
<v Speaker 2>my sergeant major at that unit, uh, he policed me

427
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.279
<v Speaker 2>up one day and says, hey, man, there's a there's

428
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<v Speaker 2>a guy here. I want you to talk to you.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Because the writing was on the wall that pss HE

430
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<v Speaker 2>was going to close. The writing was on the wall, right,

431
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<v Speaker 2>so that that was that it was going to be

432
00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.680
<v Speaker 2>short lived. He says, there's a guy here I want

433
00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.160
<v Speaker 2>you to meet. So I went down. Now, here's his

434
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<v Speaker 2>master's sargeant. He's in b t US. I got a

435
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>freaking mullet in a stupid foud manchew mustache and big fat,

436
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>stupid German brown boots and a pleather jacket. And he said, hey, uh,

437
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I work in another unit here. I'm like, come on,

438
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.640
<v Speaker 2>that one sounded This one sounded way cool. So this

439
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<v Speaker 2>was u s MLM, the United States Military Liaison Mission

440
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and uh he said, basically, what we do is we

441
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 2>spy on the Soviet army in Soviet East Germany. And

442
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you gotta be shipped, bro, Yes, where

443
00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 2>do I sign? And so I went through the interview

444
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.400
<v Speaker 2>process and it was all in German, the inniver process,

445
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:27.000
<v Speaker 2>And the first thing he asked me in German was

446
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<v Speaker 2>can you explain to me in detail how a thirty

447
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<v Speaker 2>five millimeter camera? Uh? I almost said function her operates.

448
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like yeah, because I yeah, I could do that.

449
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:44.519
<v Speaker 2>But that job was cool as hell. So we had

450
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.519
<v Speaker 2>this uh uh it was it was kind of like

451
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<v Speaker 2>overt you know, spy your had to do in uniform

452
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:58.240
<v Speaker 2>in a military vehicle, no weapons, no, no, sign no comms. Man,

453
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<v Speaker 2>it was so stupid. I had I argued with him

454
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 2>about that, about the no comms thing, you know, after

455
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:08.559
<v Speaker 2>I'd been there a while. But uh, yeah, we had

456
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 2>a soft cover for action, cover for status, and that

457
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>was we were liaison unit to the Soviet Army and

458
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>we actually did some of that, but that would get

459
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:25.039
<v Speaker 2>us into sovieties Germany. And we were issued maps by

460
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Army. Uh and these maps had big yellow

461
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:33.079
<v Speaker 2>blobs on them, and these blobs were called pras permanently

462
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.640
<v Speaker 2>restricted area. That's where all the good shit is. Though,

463
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:39.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's all KGB km's and nuke SS twenty

464
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 2>four's and you know what, I'm trying to think of

465
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.319
<v Speaker 2>the other nuke ones. So not frogs, but you know

466
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the new the nukes were s S twenty four's and

467
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe SS twenty ones. Shit, I forget, it's been a minute,

468
00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.279
<v Speaker 2>but I used to know every piece of Soviet kit,

469
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.079
<v Speaker 2>every single one, because they sent you to a school

470
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>in Kent in the UK, a British military intelligence school,

471
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and you learn, oh my god, man, you dream about

472
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Soviet kit in that school. You dream about it, and

473
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>they have so much of it. I knew everything from

474
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>flatfish radar to ZILL one three one, to every variant

475
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:25.079
<v Speaker 2>of BTR, to every variant of b MP, every variant

476
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 2>of TH eight, you know, to to the aircraft you know,

477
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>for every MiG, every helo, halo hip, you know, just

478
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>all of the helicopters. And we were issued passes and

479
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that would get us over the Gleinika Bruka into Puttsdam,

480
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>East Germany. Uh, And we were basically given like a

481
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, some the missions came from higher up, you know,

482
00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>satellite imagery, that kind of thing. At the time too.

483
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 2>East Germany was split into three quarters and we rotated

484
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>through the quaters because the Brits were doing it and

485
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.359
<v Speaker 2>the French were doing it too, and we try to collaborate,

486
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, change exchange information stuff like that. But a

487
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of times, uh, the inner agency shit just like

488
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.839
<v Speaker 2>anywhere else. You know, it's like knowledge is power. I

489
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>don't want to give it up, yea, which is freaking bullshit. Bro,

490
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.599
<v Speaker 2>we're freaking fighting commies, you know, give me some info here.

491
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.440
<v Speaker 2>But that was a very very very exciting and fulfilling job.

492
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 3>Extremely pat I don't know, if I don't know if

493
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 3>you can speak to this and if not. You know,

494
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 3>that's fine, totally understand. But you have your cover for status,

495
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 3>your cover for action. As these military liaisons, you have

496
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.920
<v Speaker 3>these sites that are offully, you know, obviously off limits.

497
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:48.759
<v Speaker 3>You're also under observation. I assume all the time. How

498
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 3>do you manage to to like do your job recon

499
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 3>you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Ye? Well, fortunately see we also went to military driving

501
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:06.279
<v Speaker 2>school was right hosted by the Bundesnach. I think I

502
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 2>got there. I haven't said that word in like twenty years.

503
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 2>But uh uh, most of our driving was on like

504
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>ten trails and such. We were navin. We were navin.

505
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.319
<v Speaker 2>This was before GPS. Uh huh. We were naving on

506
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.960
<v Speaker 2>one over twenty four thousand topographical maps. That's how we

507
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>were navit and trip meet around the dashboard, you know,

508
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.319
<v Speaker 2>so you're nabbing down tank trails and shit like this,

509
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.519
<v Speaker 2>and they then they went forever forever. Then you hit

510
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>a hardball. When you hit a hard ball, I remember

511
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>this too. Anytime you hit a hardball off a dirt road,

512
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.039
<v Speaker 2>you go the opposite direction for a few hundremeters and

513
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 2>then turn around. Because our tire tracks were very distinguishable,

514
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and the Stazi was out there looking for us, you know,

515
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 2>the East German secret police, but they didn't have people

516
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 2>actively looking for us. Okay, but the Soviets knew what

517
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>we were doing, so and we would we would actively

518
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 2>go to training sites and a lot of times we

519
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>would try to uh elicit information from lower level dudes.

520
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.279
<v Speaker 2>You know that weren't hardline commies. I mean you you

521
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.839
<v Speaker 2>tempt a freaking private with a Penthouse magazine and some

522
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Marblo cigarettes. You're getting some information right right now. And

523
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 2>then you sit down with them and you and you

524
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>share lunch. I remember sharing lunch with these two privates

525
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:31.839
<v Speaker 2>one day. They were caretakers for a training uh uh

526
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:37.759
<v Speaker 2>training training training site, training ground, training area, and they

527
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>were living in a fox heart when we said uh

528
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>in which travel in pairs, and one of us speaks

529
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 2>fluent Russian and I'm the German speaker, and the guy

530
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.559
<v Speaker 2>was asking, how long have you been out here? Yes,

531
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>this is our third week living in this foxhole. Just

532
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:54.240
<v Speaker 2>garden the training area. And they would get like rations

533
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 2>delivered and I called it brown cabbage and cardboard flavored bread.

534
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:05.559
<v Speaker 2>It was so commy. It was so typically calmy, you know.

535
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 2>So we made a fire and I'm busting out like

536
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, crackling oat Brand and Denny Moore beef stew.

537
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:18.039
<v Speaker 2>These guys nearly ship themselves evil temptations of the West. Dude,

538
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 2>I come from the Big seven eleven in the sky.

539
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Bro That's where I come from, you know, that conscript

540
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.319
<v Speaker 2>army ship man. You know, we were so freaking spoiled.

541
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 2>We're so spoiled. We're so spoiled. We have no idea,

542
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, we have such first world problems. I've seen

543
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 2>sobs get freaking hammered, hammered on ana freeze hammered. I've seen.

544
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I went into a barracks once all the troops were

545
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 2>out to the field SA eleven SA eleven compound, and

546
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.519
<v Speaker 2>we we we've watched them leave on buses and a

547
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of them were in formation. We we snuck up,

548
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 2>we observed for a minute. We made a little racket too,

549
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>to see if anybody was in there, you know, and nobody.

550
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>So we went in to this barracks and there was

551
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 2>bulletin boards and we were snapping the ship taking pictures

552
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.519
<v Speaker 2>and everything, and and and the smell and there was

553
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 2>putric in this barracks and ammonia was killing my eyes

554
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.039
<v Speaker 2>in my nose my science. It's like, what the what

555
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 2>is this? What is this? And there was a stairwell

556
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 2>went downstairs to a basement and there was some windows.

557
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>You know. Uh. We we walked down the stairs and

558
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:38.039
<v Speaker 2>realized the plumbing of this barracks shipped the bed. No, man,

559
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I used that term with this story.

560
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>So they just they just drained all of the ship

561
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.279
<v Speaker 2>and piss right into the basement, right into the basement.

562
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Uh you know. So it's funny the

563
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 2>ship we pissed the moan about. But that was yeah,

564
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it was a it was a cool, cool uh time

565
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>in history for me.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, like you know, you're a young Joe

606
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<v Speaker 3>and like enjoying the high speed life. Do you realize

607
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<v Speaker 3>how much a part of history you are.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point in time? Man? No, hell no, does

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<v Speaker 2>anybody when they're when they're when they're there? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when the when the Berlin Wall came down, I was

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<v Speaker 2>right there, ANDREI Reunification. I had no idea the gravity

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<v Speaker 2>of that, no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us a little bit about that? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you look like man, dude listening to like front two

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<v Speaker 1>four two and I'm trensende Neubotin out there the like

616
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.800
<v Speaker 1>industrial music as the wall comes down, where your leather

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<v Speaker 1>jacket and the mustache and the glass it's badass.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what was I.

619
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<v Speaker 1>Mean, what was that like being there when when this

620
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>historic event happened.

621
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:44.880
<v Speaker 2>It, you know, it kind of snuck up on us, right,

622
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 2>It was like all of a sudden one right, right,

623
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.039
<v Speaker 2>this reunification is gonna happen. What's first step? First step

624
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>is wall comes down? Right, you know, because because walking

625
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.760
<v Speaker 2>down a reunification didn't happen till ninety one. Yeah, so

626
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine the logistics there. What went on

627
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you know in between there? Right, But it was both.

628
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I was I was partying at both. The wall coming

629
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.880
<v Speaker 2>down not much of a party, tell you the truth, really,

630
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 2>not like reunification, bro. Reunification is when everybody start, you know,

631
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 2>when the gates open. Yeah. Uh, families are getting together

632
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>that haven't yet. I mean yeah, I don't think anybody

633
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>realized that they partied all the way through the night

634
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 2>until the sun came up, because nobody was We weren't

635
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.840
<v Speaker 2>in nobody's in bars and stuff. People were just bringing

636
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:39.480
<v Speaker 2>booze from every corner and crevice and glove box and trunk.

637
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>You know. So right there under the uh uh the

638
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>uh not the condectness, Kirsha, but the uh uh ship

639
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Brandon Burtour fuck ship right by the Brandon burg Touri.

640
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:57.039
<v Speaker 2>You know. So that's what a big party was and

641
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 2>just thousands and thous and some people and fires and

642
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.519
<v Speaker 2>fireworks and bands just setting up. And I think David

643
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Hasselhoff was there too. I think he was responsible for

644
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 2>us probably probably.

645
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:15.079
<v Speaker 1>And with PSSC. I mean, were you there looking to

646
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 1>scoop up some documents or maybe find defectors? I mean,

647
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:19.320
<v Speaker 1>what what were you guys looking at?

648
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.960
<v Speaker 2>No? Not at that point. At that point like reunification,

649
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I was looking for another job. Because the wall comes

650
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.920
<v Speaker 2>down and we're reunified. Well huh so, and that was

651
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 2>the end of it. You know, now I have to

652
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I have to find a job. Yeah. So that's when

653
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 2>I went to selection for the unit. Okay, gotcha, yep,

654
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 2>because once again, level up? What's what do I do now?

655
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 2>After this ship? Because this was cool as hell? Right?

656
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 2>What is there? There was only one thing, only one

657
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:54.119
<v Speaker 2>thing right, And to me, there was so much mystique there.

658
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I knew, I knew guys there. I had some buds

659
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.599
<v Speaker 2>that went. I knew nothing about the unit or nothing

660
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 2>at all. Went to selection and I failed. I was like, well,

661
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:11.559
<v Speaker 2>damn bro, I had to go back to Germany. And

662
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.159
<v Speaker 2>then I volunteered to go to Swick. You know, Special

663
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Warfare Center to be an instructor because I want because

664
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 2>they gave me a second chance. The unit said you

665
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 2>could come back to selection. I had broken ankle. Uh,

666
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.280
<v Speaker 2>so they said make it a full year, make sure

667
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>you're ready, that you're strong. And I was like, hell yeah, bro.

668
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Not only that, but it was a risk and a

669
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 2>half volunteering for Swick because it was a four year

670
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>commitment and nobody wants to be in swear. That's a

671
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:41.559
<v Speaker 2>that's a that's a that's up nailing a coffin, you know,

672
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:46.199
<v Speaker 2>that's a that's a bad place to be. I mean,

673
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:47.760
<v Speaker 2>there are good places in Swick, but I was on

674
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:55.760
<v Speaker 2>like the Commo committee terminating traffic. Yeah. Uh. And then

675
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>when again a year later and I did well, I

676
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, hell yeah, man, who uh? And then

677
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.239
<v Speaker 2>planted planned my ass there for thirteen years. And then

678
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>it was you know, continuously trying to level up once again,

679
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 2>level up, level up, level up, and not only in

680
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like team positioning or unit, even against individuals because I

681
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 2>had a bit of an ego right about me because

682
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 2>I was I was a top performer most places where

683
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:30.920
<v Speaker 2>that I went, top performer. I get to the unit

684
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 2>and I realized I'm mediocre. I'm mediocre now maybe at

685
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 2>the like top tier mediocre, right, but still mediocre, and

686
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I continue to be that way for years, just mediocre

687
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 2>because it was there's a it was amazing. It was

688
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.679
<v Speaker 2>the best best place, uh you could ever work out ever.

689
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 2>But it comes with a price, you know, long work hours, uh,

690
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of uh, a lot of st us, a

691
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 2>lot of risk, a lot of injury. And the stress

692
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 2>was because you're always on the bubble. They reserved the

693
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.840
<v Speaker 2>right to fire your stinking assid any given second, and

694
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it was easy to get fired from there, So you

695
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 2>were always on the bubble, always short string, no, I

696
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:18.440
<v Speaker 2>say short string. They gave you a lot of slack,

697
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, they pulled, they tons of slack, but at

698
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.679
<v Speaker 2>the end of that slack, it's an abrupt.

699
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Pull when you when you say it was easy to

700
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.639
<v Speaker 3>get fired there, like, what were some of the reasons

701
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.400
<v Speaker 3>that you saw guys fired that they might not get

702
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 3>fired in other units?

703
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Tons of them?

704
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:36.119
<v Speaker 4>Uh u U.

705
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you A wake up call for me was

706
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.280
<v Speaker 2>my first squadron training exercise, right, first squadron hit. I

707
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I shared this with with many people,

708
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 2>this one here first squadron hit I see a fly

709
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>stand by. Oh yeah, baby, so squadron hit multiple breach points.

710
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>We all, I'm on that. I'm on like the best

711
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.000
<v Speaker 2>team in the unit. These guys were just top dogs

712
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>and everything, physical, shooting, tactics, all that shit. Multiple breach points,

713
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:14.239
<v Speaker 2>simultaneous boom teams enter multiple breach points. I go into

714
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.920
<v Speaker 2>the first room and I go click instead of bang.

715
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think. I mean, my immediate action was fast, right,

716
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.119
<v Speaker 2>because I knew what happened, So slaprack, you know, instead

717
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 2>of transitioning, I just slap rack. Slap racking got to work.

718
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:33.079
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I hope nobody saw that my

719
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 2>troops are major seat. I mean, dude, dudes' are omnipotant.

720
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:37.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, when you get to that level, they're they're omniptant.

721
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:41.239
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna see every freaking thing. And my troops at

722
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>major saw and he docked me my my proficiency pay

723
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>for the month. Wow, So hit me right in the

724
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>pocket book. And that was a big race. It was

725
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.679
<v Speaker 2>like two hundred dollars or something like that. I forget

726
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:54.280
<v Speaker 2>it was substantial, right, you know, on a g I

727
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.719
<v Speaker 2>S right paycheck, But that fast and he and he

728
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:04.519
<v Speaker 2>also said, he goes, hey, uh uh, you're on a

729
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 2>shorter you know, shorter string. Now, right, something like this

730
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 2>happens again, we're gonna have to let you go. So

731
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't because I was like being negligent or doing

732
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 2>something idiotic or moral and ethical. But they're going to

733
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 2>fire you. And there's a difference, right, So when dudes

734
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Speaker 2>do that ship or like nds, they happened, they happen, right,

735
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 2>especially when you're when you're when you're training that much.

736
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Depending on the circumstance, a lot of times they'll fire

737
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you for a year and uh bring you back as

738
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 2>a relook and allow you to come back again. But

739
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:43.159
<v Speaker 2>anything moral or ethical dilemma anything like that, you're gone. Easy.

740
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>You're done so compared to other units. Yeah, that's easy,

741
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>you're out of here. Fire anything any kind of moral

742
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 2>ethical you know, so lying, uh, d u y, cheating,

743
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, any of that stuff, you are freaking absolutely gone. Also,

744
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:09.559
<v Speaker 2>if you wane or if you're falling behind in performance. Now,

745
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.679
<v Speaker 2>if you're a good dude and you're falling behind the performance,

746
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>they might find a job for you in a different

747
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:14.880
<v Speaker 2>part of the building. You're not going to be a

748
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.880
<v Speaker 2>door kicker, you're not going to be an operator. But yep,

749
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 2>very easy to get fired. And I love that. I

750
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 2>love the accountability portion, you know, I loved it. I

751
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 2>loved it. I mean it was heartbreaking sometimes having buds,

752
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 2>like because I knew guys, who would I knew three

753
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 2>people similar story. This one though, was kind of extreme.

754
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.159
<v Speaker 2>The guy was in on the weekend because dudes winning

755
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:45.079
<v Speaker 2>all the time, and trained, went out to train, came back,

756
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 2>went into his vault. Nobody's there. It's like, I don't know,

757
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:51.440
<v Speaker 2>seven or eight in the morning. I think he was

758
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.679
<v Speaker 2>doing night fire, you know, and Sunday comes back. He's

759
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 2>putting his guns away and he freaking he sends one

760
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:03.199
<v Speaker 2>right into the floor. A d you know, he could

761
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>have put some freaking putty on that thing. He turned

762
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:09.000
<v Speaker 2>himself in. You know, nobody was there. I know three

763
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 2>dudes have turned themselves in for ND's three of them.

764
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Three guys turned themselves in. Nobody was there. They turned

765
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:18.039
<v Speaker 2>One guy was a semunitions round. He turned himself in.

766
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow wow, Yeah, yep, but uh, I mean it's it

767
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.440
<v Speaker 2>was nice working in that type of environment, very nice.

768
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.440
<v Speaker 2>It was so cool, so freaking cool.

769
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Pat what else?

770
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.079
<v Speaker 2>What? What? What?

771
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Just sorry? What what year did you get to the unit?

772
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 1>And to the extent that you can talk about, like

773
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:41.559
<v Speaker 1>what was what was sort of the atmosphere in the

774
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.320
<v Speaker 1>unit at that time as far as like what was

775
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>happening in the world. You mentioned the wall, Oh yeah,

776
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 1>like what what was the mission set that you were

777
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of training for and looking at?

778
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 2>So I got there ninety two and immediately so a

779
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 2>year later, I'm on this hot ship team. In May

780
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>of ninety three, I get ones on my page or

781
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 2>because we're going to get id'd, you know, we're going

782
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to get id'd and Somalia going to snatch him up

783
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 2>or kill. I think it was didn't matter kill. I

784
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't think he needed to be captured. Is that the

785
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:16.800
<v Speaker 2>capture kill?

786
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Right? Right?

787
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Right? I mean, oh, you give me an option there, right,

788
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:24.079
<v Speaker 2>capturing somebody's hard man?

789
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, capture kill briefs fine, even if you you know, well,

790
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 3>he got he killed, he resisted, but it was a

791
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 3>capture killed out.

792
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we trained our asses off man. We went

793
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:44.239
<v Speaker 2>you know strictly uh priority for all unit assets three

794
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 2>weeks and then and then it got passed to another squadron. Uh.

795
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 2>And then it got passed to another one, and you know,

796
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.119
<v Speaker 2>we were just passing down Hey, this is just some

797
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff we learned and doing this and that,

798
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and we just pass on the info and so Sea

799
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Squadron went So after that a big focus. This was

800
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of cool. Wait, let me think about this, let

801
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.440
<v Speaker 2>me think about this. Nope, I'm not going to talk

802
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 2>directly about that. I will say the next boogeyman that

803
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>we were going after was Kadafi. Yeah, so he was

804
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>on the radar, so cool stories associated with that, but uh,

805
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 2>not super comfortable talking about the deets on that one.

806
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>So Kadafi, and then there was we were doing some

807
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'll be kind of vague on this one. We

808
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 2>were doing some undercover stuff which put us into parts

809
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 2>of the world that we didn't have complete autonomy, right,

810
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 2>but uh, but the next thing that emerged was, you know,

811
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Bosnia and this new thing called Pipwick's right persons incited

812
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 2>for war crimes. So that the the that war had

813
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 2>finished ninety five ninety six ish, you know, I think

814
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 2>ninety six that was it. That was it done done?

815
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Not even sniper fire. Uh, you know, I was on

816
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Hillary Clinton's detail. Yeah, when she was under sniper fire

817
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>so you can confirm snipers. It was Tusla, like one

818
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:20.760
<v Speaker 2>of the safest places in the world.

819
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:23.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

820
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Ship. And on that trip to Cheryl Crow hit on

821
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 2>me really yeah yeah. Yeah, that's back when she was

822
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>hot too, Yeah, when all she wanted to do was

823
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:37.079
<v Speaker 2>have some fun boom yeah yeah yeah.

824
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Well was that like a U s O tour like

825
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:40.360
<v Speaker 1>some yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

826
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:42.800
<v Speaker 2>They came over with like I think it was Sindbad

827
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Chryl Crow, and then Hillary came over with Chelsea. But yeah,

828
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 2>there was I made a bunch of like goofy uber

829
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:01.159
<v Speaker 2>lib politicians in the mid nineties over there, Mike uh,

830
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Geraldine Ferraro, Madeline Albright. She was kind of cool even

831
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 2>though she was an uber lib but she was kind

832
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.760
<v Speaker 2>of cool still. But anyway, so the so later nineties,

833
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Pifwicks come to play Person's indicted for

834
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 2>war crimes. These guys are badass, man, you know. So

835
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 2>now we're back to oh we have to actually scarf

836
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.440
<v Speaker 2>these guys up, and they got to go to the Hague.

837
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, we can't just send out a drone or

838
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 2>put a sniper in a in a up the uh

839
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, a hide sight. This ship's got to be

840
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:40.000
<v Speaker 2>surgical as hell.

841
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

842
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 2>And I got a few of those guys. Yeah, I

843
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:48.760
<v Speaker 2>got the first one. His name is Christick, uh, General Christick,

844
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>and then a couple other big names. Uh. But real

845
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 2>freaking neat ship. I wish I could talk explicit about that,

846
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.400
<v Speaker 2>but eh, yeah, no need to need to.

847
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 3>This is something that was really right up your rally,

848
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.760
<v Speaker 3>just from your previous missions in Germany, right yep, yep, yep.

849
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was cool, you know, because it was all

850
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 2>playing clothes. It was cloaking dagger ship, right yep. But

851
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 2>it was it was kind of like, you know what

852
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.559
<v Speaker 2>the unit was made to do, you know what I mean,

853
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.119
<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff. Uh. And that was that was man,

854
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 2>it was just bad. It was bad, badass yeah uh uh.

855
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 2>And that that fizzled out because we got them, We

856
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.760
<v Speaker 2>got them are uh. And then I was an S

857
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 2>and T selection and training for for a couple of years.

858
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:43.599
<v Speaker 2>The bomber of that story is, while it was an

859
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:50.639
<v Speaker 2>S and T nine eleven, nine eleven, which means everybody's deploying,

860
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:59.320
<v Speaker 2>but Schmuck's an we're not doing it anywhere nowhere. By

861
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the time I got over there, dudes had one hundred

862
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 2>and fifty combat hits you know, in country or more. Yeah,

863
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and here I am. I was a oh and I

864
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.159
<v Speaker 2>was I made a nine by that point. So here

865
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I am E nine taking orders from a staff sergeant,

866
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.719
<v Speaker 2>which I didn't mind at all. Bro E nine a

867
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 2>private E nine? Hell yeah. The unit was probably one

868
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:22.840
<v Speaker 2>of the only places where you could be a private

869
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 2>E nine. You know, to make me a door kicker

870
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:26.320
<v Speaker 2>is E nine? Hell yeah?

871
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Pat, I mean you're actually a great authority then on

872
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 3>this because being an S and T, how were those

873
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.159
<v Speaker 3>guys that were going over and then coming back, how

874
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.000
<v Speaker 3>were tactics and training involving?

875
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Were they getting fed directly? You guys?

876
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Were was were was the training course evolving? Like on

877
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:46.920
<v Speaker 3>the spot sort of?

878
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.039
<v Speaker 2>In that pretty much stayed it was. It's it's so

879
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.239
<v Speaker 2>perfectly designed. It pretty much stayed exactly the way it is. Okay,

880
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty much exactly the way it is, yep, because it

881
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:00.199
<v Speaker 2>was it was designed for that in mind, that kind

882
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.719
<v Speaker 2>of ship counter terrorism stuff. So it did not change

883
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:08.880
<v Speaker 2>one freaking bit. What did change was influx and people

884
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 2>wanting to get to the unit because we were getting

885
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>some man, right, I mean, people were you know, there

886
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.639
<v Speaker 2>were there were a lot of like special Forces teams

887
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.519
<v Speaker 2>and stuff getting some and other special opportunity. But we

888
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>were like it was non stop, non stop, so guys

889
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to get there because a lot of a

890
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:30.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of people weren't doing ship you know. But yeah,

891
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the the OTC, the operator traders course stayed, stayed pretty

892
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:35.280
<v Speaker 2>much exactly the same.

893
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:38.599
<v Speaker 1>And so what what was it like by the time

894
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you got over to Afghanistan.

895
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I didn't go to Afghanistan. I'm sorry, toy sto Iraq.

896
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Real short trips. Uh it was it was still uh

897
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 2>target rich, you know, because it was four and five.

898
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh four. I didn't do ship man because man,

899
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.679
<v Speaker 2>this is kind it's kind of cool though too. The

900
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.840
<v Speaker 2>unit sent me over because I was at the man

901
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 2>this was this is a ship detail. But but I

902
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 2>did it. Uh. It was at the end of my

903
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.159
<v Speaker 2>s and T I had no team, I had no squadron,

904
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I had no body. Uh, and they set me over

905
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.360
<v Speaker 2>to Iraq to to check out what the support element

906
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:26.760
<v Speaker 2>was doing, the mechanics, the engineers, the logist loge, uh

907
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 2>logistics guys, the cooks, all that, you know, to check

908
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.719
<v Speaker 2>them out to see how their security was and man,

909
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 2>it was bad. It was bad, bad, bad bad, bye

910
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:37.239
<v Speaker 2>bad bad.

911
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:37.840
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

912
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:39.880
<v Speaker 2>So I did a lot of O j T on

913
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.280
<v Speaker 2>the ground with them because they were doing hiris ship man,

914
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:46.599
<v Speaker 2>they were getting shot at more than we were. Uh.

915
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 2>And then they uh, the unit brought me back and

916
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I built a course for the support element. I built

917
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a course what like, I'm mini OTC dude. It was

918
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 2>two weeks, very very intensive. Yeah, all all the basic

919
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 2>tactics stuff shooting right, so right from BRM to multiple

920
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:15.800
<v Speaker 2>target engagements, to to pistol work and then to the

921
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:20.639
<v Speaker 2>uh all of the crucive weapons. Damn it, man, I

922
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 2>had I don't use these terms often anymore, but so

923
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 2>all the crucive weapons, so anything that was belt fed

924
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 2>or shoulder carried. We train them all on that. A

925
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of driving, a lot of vehicle based scenarios, a

926
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:38.159
<v Speaker 2>lot of first aid. So now these guys are going

927
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 2>back over. When I went back over with my former squadron,

928
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:43.840
<v Speaker 2>we were taking them out with us and they were

929
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:48.239
<v Speaker 2>like on street corners, cooks, bro Yeah, a man in

930
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 2>a MAG fifty eight. It was cool as hell. Yeah,

931
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>cool as hell. But uh, and I really like that time.

932
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm working with them because dude, talk about appreciation because

933
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.400
<v Speaker 2>they idolized us, you know, the support Element idolized US operators,

934
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 2>and now you're chummy chummy with them and you're teaching

935
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:10.960
<v Speaker 2>them all this cool freaking commando shit and they're like,

936
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:13.360
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck, This is the best thing ever. And

937
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.320
<v Speaker 2>then they're doing shit with freaking operators on the ground. Yeah, man,

938
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's manning. It's manning freaking security positions. But that's

939
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.599
<v Speaker 2>a big freaking nickel for an engineer, for a cook

940
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 2>or a mechanic. Yeah, you know, you're on a freaking

941
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.079
<v Speaker 2>a mod deuce fifty cow and some of these guys

942
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:34.639
<v Speaker 2>like got into firefights like waw, you know, ripping rounds

943
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.599
<v Speaker 2>down down alleyways.

944
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.400
<v Speaker 1>The mechanics can be so salty because you know, we

945
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:41.559
<v Speaker 1>just break all their ship and then get great by

946
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 1>now they're getting to.

947
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Go out on the operation.

948
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:45.760
<v Speaker 3>And cooks are the hardest working people in the military.

949
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, so to get some love is

950
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.400
<v Speaker 3>like yeah, brilliant, yeah, so good, so good.

951
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.679
<v Speaker 2>But that's what makes the unit so freaking just absolute

952
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>badass man. You know, I spent a lot of time

953
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 2>training my element over there. I would shoot with him.

954
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Every week I would have an open range day and

955
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 2>they where they could come out and run like scenarios

956
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 2>form and yeah, but yeah, So I stayed till two

957
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:14.840
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five. I retired in two thousand and five.

958
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and five, who and then life started. Right,

959
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like, what do I do now after I since

960
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I've grown up? What the hell? You know? In that

961
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:33.599
<v Speaker 2>transition could be spooky. Yeah, I did have some groundwork

962
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:35.639
<v Speaker 2>set already. I picked a little hanging fruit and took

963
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.960
<v Speaker 2>a job. Even before I retired. I got offered a

964
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 2>job corporation to a military contract stuff pay me more,

965
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you know, in familiar territory. I

966
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:51.519
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, good good. And it sucked man,

967
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 2>now that you know, since I'm out on my own.

968
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Even when I was on my so I worked for

969
00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that corporation for about four or four and a half

970
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.119
<v Speaker 2>years and they made me off. Best thing that could

971
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.559
<v Speaker 2>ever happened to me. Scary, one of the scariest moments

972
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.199
<v Speaker 2>in my life too, because I have family, little kids,

973
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:11.800
<v Speaker 2>all this shit, but probably one of the best things

974
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 2>that could have happened for growth. Right, right, we need

975
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.880
<v Speaker 2>to be very uncomfortable in order to grow, right, because

976
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:20.239
<v Speaker 2>we need to, we get uncomfortable, we need to we

977
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:24.000
<v Speaker 2>need to ship that exoskeleton and put on another exoskeleton

978
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 2>that's a little bit bigger, right. Uh. But when I

979
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.559
<v Speaker 2>got laid off, I was like, dude, what in them?

980
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean? I I uh. I confided in a bunch

981
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 2>of buddies of mine that had their own businesses, and

982
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.480
<v Speaker 2>they all said that they could get me work. But

983
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:41.559
<v Speaker 2>they all said the same thing, just do it on

984
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:44.719
<v Speaker 2>your own, Just do it on your own. And man,

985
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I did, and it worked out. It worked out. Now,

986
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Ebbs and flows right when you run your own I

987
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 2>mean deep dark holes, highs, just one freaking thing after

988
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 2>the other. It never stopped ebbs and flows. I mean,

989
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.400
<v Speaker 2>but I was doing well. But I knew I was

990
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:06.440
<v Speaker 2>working a lot this.

991
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.880
<v Speaker 1>We're doing tactical marksmanship courses and things like that.

992
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, yep yep. And I had a full uh

993
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, slate man. Everybody wanted it. I was doing.

994
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I was doing something that nobody else had. I was

995
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 2>doing what I call performance based training. So I was

996
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:26.679
<v Speaker 2>training dudes kind of like a a sports psychologist would

997
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:30.639
<v Speaker 2>train a professional athlete. I mean, that's like what's the difference, man,

998
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:32.920
<v Speaker 2>That's what I would tell you. You know, what's the difference.

999
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.840
<v Speaker 2>You're you're basically a professional athlete when you're at that level,

1000
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 2>So let's train like professional athletes. But so twenty ten

1001
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.400
<v Speaker 2>is when I generated tam Max my company, and I

1002
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.480
<v Speaker 2>was working my ass off the same time going through it.

1003
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Just an absolute bludgeon fest of marriage, a tail end

1004
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.119
<v Speaker 2>tail end. It was real bad, real bad. I'd married something.

1005
00:57:58.119 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, at the beginning of this, it was six

1006
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.840
<v Speaker 2>in your relationship at the beginning of it is cool.

1007
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:05.880
<v Speaker 2>She just lovested me that she had some healthy ish

1008
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.440
<v Speaker 2>mental issues, but she was taking meds and everything. But

1009
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:11.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty soon, you know, bipolar. So but pretty soon she

1010
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:14.920
<v Speaker 2>started abusing the meds right and drinking on them. Now,

1011
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.119
<v Speaker 2>that fucks up the neural receptors in your head real bad.

1012
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, when you're abusing prescription meds, which are absolute poison.

1013
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 2>If you're on prescription meds, try to get off of them.

1014
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.360
<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of alternatives out there. Mother nature knews how

1015
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:33.239
<v Speaker 2>to take care of us. Oh man, that shit drives

1016
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 2>me crazy. So she became a rave, absolute, raving lunatic,

1017
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:43.760
<v Speaker 2>just delusional and paranoid. It was bad, bad, bad, bad, bad,

1018
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 2>bad bad bad. For years. I lived in a bonus

1019
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:51.119
<v Speaker 2>room above my garage for five years, but I finally

1020
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:53.800
<v Speaker 2>that one came to then, thanks to the police in

1021
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.280
<v Speaker 2>my town. Long story. I'd go on for freaking two

1022
00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:00.480
<v Speaker 2>hours on that one. And that was two thousand thirteen.

1023
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Twenty thirteen was my worst year and my best year,

1024
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.639
<v Speaker 2>all wrapped in one, all wrapped in one. See those

1025
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:11.800
<v Speaker 2>of you out there listening who did any kind of

1026
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:17.400
<v Speaker 2>government contract stuff in twenty thirteen, you remember this thing

1027
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>called sequestration. Sequestration, bro, My calendar was full twenty thirteen.

1028
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:31.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, Secret Service Border Patrol eighty second they're born,

1029
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:38.519
<v Speaker 2>just one after the other. Sequestration happened in January twenty thirteen.

1030
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Light switch click, no work, Wow, you got no work?

1031
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:46.400
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you know, And I'm at the tail

1032
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:50.719
<v Speaker 2>end of a doors, right that's January March. I move out,

1033
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'm assuming this debt because we already been through

1034
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:58.960
<v Speaker 2>a few mediations and I've been through tons of mediations already, right,

1035
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 2>tons of I am spending so much on lawyers and

1036
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:06.199
<v Speaker 2>trying to clear this debt. It was after it was

1037
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.280
<v Speaker 2>an absorbited in him out. I'm not even gonna mention

1038
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the number. It was ridiculous because I didn't even know

1039
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:15.559
<v Speaker 2>that you could run like a debit card as a

1040
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:18.119
<v Speaker 2>credit card, you know, because my ex was doing all

1041
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:20.360
<v Speaker 2>this shit. I had no idea, and I had to

1042
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:23.599
<v Speaker 2>assume all this shit. Oh my god, because I thought

1043
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:24.960
<v Speaker 2>it was just a debit card. You know, it's debit,

1044
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it's that card. But some of them come with, you know,

1045
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:34.599
<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand dollars worth of credit. Surprise, it was a

1046
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:40.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of them. But so thirteen that all that shit happened,

1047
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I move out. I'm close to my kids. I'm five

1048
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:48.559
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards away in a condo. Uh. Sequestration, not getting paid.

1049
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Just one freaking shit storm after the other.

1050
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1051
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.480
<v Speaker 2>September twenty thirteen, when I met, when I meet, my

1052
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:04.559
<v Speaker 2>current life, which was which has been? It's been, It's

1053
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.599
<v Speaker 2>been a it's been a dream come true. Remember earlier

1054
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I said second chance on life. That was the first

1055
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:11.280
<v Speaker 2>time I got a second lease on life. I will

1056
01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 2>tell you about the second time later. This is the

1057
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:15.960
<v Speaker 2>second time. Not many of us get that, you know,

1058
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.920
<v Speaker 2>second lease on life. So in order to get a

1059
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 2>second lease on life, shit's got to be pretty bad, right,

1060
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:22.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, you gotta be down and out, you got

1061
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.559
<v Speaker 2>to be a maybe a junkie, or or go completely

1062
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:27.960
<v Speaker 2>bankrupt or you know, shit's got to be bad. You

1063
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.400
<v Speaker 2>know you've suffered major loss.

1064
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:30.800
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1065
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:39.480
<v Speaker 2>So that's when I meet Rebecca too. And man, I

1066
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.519
<v Speaker 2>just started life all but at the time that was

1067
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:43.760
<v Speaker 2>two and I was forty eight years I'm forty eight

1068
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.280
<v Speaker 2>years old. I had to start life all over again

1069
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:51.239
<v Speaker 2>at forty eight years old. But it's been great. And

1070
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.360
<v Speaker 2>you know what pains me. I've said this on podcasts before.

1071
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.679
<v Speaker 2>I said this, and this, this is this is a

1072
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:02.039
<v Speaker 2>scary thought. This gives me. This makes me cringe knowing

1073
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:04.159
<v Speaker 2>what I have right now, knowing you know what I

1074
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.360
<v Speaker 2>have right now, Yeah, and being as happy and content

1075
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:11.079
<v Speaker 2>and satisfied and busy as I am right now. I

1076
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:13.599
<v Speaker 2>would do all that ship over again. I would do

1077
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:16.559
<v Speaker 2>all that I would do. I would I would one

1078
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:19.159
<v Speaker 2>do all that bullshit. I would live in that bonus

1079
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.039
<v Speaker 2>room for five years. I would be accused of being

1080
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.880
<v Speaker 2>of of of cheating six seven, eight times a day,

1081
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:28.639
<v Speaker 2>having the cops come over showing them how I'm bugging

1082
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.159
<v Speaker 2>the house, how the TV's bugged. How I'm operating the

1083
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:34.400
<v Speaker 2>TV from Il Passo through my cell phone? How you know?

1084
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Uh uh I The accusations were just freaking stupid. It

1085
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:43.400
<v Speaker 2>was so there was so many of them. But I would,

1086
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I would change it. I would. I wouldn't change any

1087
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:46.719
<v Speaker 2>of that because of what I have.

1088
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:49.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of guys, especially a lot of

1089
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:52.320
<v Speaker 3>a lot of guys coming from those high performing units,

1090
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, have a difficult time transitioning into the civilian

1091
01:02:57.400 --> 01:02:57.880
<v Speaker 3>to begin with.

1092
01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:00.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, you go from from six.

1093
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:04.199
<v Speaker 3>Steta zero as they say. You know, not only did

1094
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.360
<v Speaker 3>you have that going on, but you had these, you know,

1095
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:12.280
<v Speaker 3>really challenging issues at home where probably your own reality

1096
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.199
<v Speaker 3>was being challenged on a daily basis, right, Like, you're

1097
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:17.519
<v Speaker 3>trying to deal with this transition to begin with, and

1098
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:21.079
<v Speaker 3>then you have somebody who's like trying to impose this

1099
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:24.719
<v Speaker 3>sort of psychotic frame over over your world. How how

1100
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Speaker 3>did you manage all that at the same time?

1101
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Were you dealing with it?

1102
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 3>Well?

1103
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:33.519
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, Now I'll tell you how you manage it.

1104
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:36.840
<v Speaker 2>You got to stay busy, right, So you said sixty

1105
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.000
<v Speaker 2>to zero. You can't go to zero. You've got to

1106
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:42.320
<v Speaker 2>stay around sixty you've got to stay. I don't give

1107
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.639
<v Speaker 2>a shit if that's working, if that's you know, becoming

1108
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 2>an entrepreneur or plowing a field. You've got to be

1109
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 2>mission focused. There's got to be meaning in your life. Fulfillment.

1110
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:54.320
<v Speaker 2>You've got to have it because you've had it for

1111
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:57.880
<v Speaker 2>so long. Especially career military guys. You know, career military,

1112
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.679
<v Speaker 2>they've got they need that. They need that camaraderie, that teamwork,

1113
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:10.360
<v Speaker 2>that fulfillment, that work with meaning. I I didn't. I

1114
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:14.760
<v Speaker 2>was dealing with it well initially. But when I when

1115
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I was going through the last five years of that marriage,

1116
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:19.880
<v Speaker 2>it was it was bad. It was real bad. I

1117
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:26.800
<v Speaker 2>was I found myself in a very very deep, dark hole.

1118
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:34.079
<v Speaker 2>It was like the pit of despair. I like to

1119
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:36.679
<v Speaker 2>say that I could joke about any portion of my life,

1120
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.800
<v Speaker 2>any injury, any mishap, the want. This one, though, is

1121
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.599
<v Speaker 2>hard for me to joke about, but it's important to

1122
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:49.360
<v Speaker 2>talk about. I ran into a massive three to four

1123
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:52.920
<v Speaker 2>year long spell of depression. I had no idea what

1124
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:57.679
<v Speaker 2>depression is. But I was almost quitting. I was quitting

1125
01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.840
<v Speaker 2>on me. I was quitting. I was quitting. I was quitting.

1126
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I was accepting mediocrity. Did you know you were sorry.

1127
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Did you know you were quitting or was it? Nope,

1128
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:13.400
<v Speaker 2>there was I had no idea. I was so tired

1129
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 2>of hearing and having to you know, you know, hearing

1130
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take a fall down the stairs, call

1131
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the cops and tell them you pushed me. You know.

1132
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:25.599
<v Speaker 2>It was just non stop or having the cops come

1133
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and say, hey, we found your wife in the village

1134
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:31.519
<v Speaker 2>and she's drunken on drugs. I was so tired. I

1135
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.440
<v Speaker 2>was just tired, tired, tired. It was non stop. There

1136
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:37.119
<v Speaker 2>was not a day break. There wasn't a day not

1137
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 2>a daybreak. I doubt that there were a couple hours

1138
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:43.920
<v Speaker 2>of break in there, because even when I would go

1139
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:48.000
<v Speaker 2>on trips, I'm I'm in, like I mentioned, like l

1140
01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Pass or training the border patrol, and my phone would

1141
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:56.119
<v Speaker 2>ring non fucking stop, NonStop. Yeah.

1142
01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:59.159
<v Speaker 1>How after after a while, your your nerves are shot,

1143
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, Yeah, your your NEU receptors are shot.

1144
01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, there I was. I was almost done. But

1145
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.119
<v Speaker 2>then I had an epiphany moment. And I mentioned this

1146
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:09.719
<v Speaker 2>before in a couple of podcasts, but I think it's

1147
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:15.400
<v Speaker 2>worth re mentioning. I had an epiphany moment U and

1148
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:18.320
<v Speaker 2>it was mainly because I was talking to my my

1149
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:21.199
<v Speaker 2>my son. He was a sweet, little cute as hell

1150
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.760
<v Speaker 2>boy at the time, and I was ship faced, drunk

1151
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:25.159
<v Speaker 2>out of my mind because I was drinking all day

1152
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:30.920
<v Speaker 2>long every day. And I realized I told him, I said, James,

1153
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't just I don't just love you. I am

1154
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:37.320
<v Speaker 2>in love with you. And he started crying. I don't

1155
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:39.119
<v Speaker 2>know how old he was, I forget. I could do

1156
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:41.039
<v Speaker 2>the math. I'n to figure out. Probably eight or something

1157
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:47.239
<v Speaker 2>like that, but maybe younger sid six. Uh. And I realized, man,

1158
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and I put him in bed. I realized, this kid

1159
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:52.280
<v Speaker 2>needs me. Man, he needs me. I have to be around.

1160
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:58.079
<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, I don't know where this came from.

1161
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:01.719
<v Speaker 2>But I put up my running shoes, set an alarm clock,

1162
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:07.880
<v Speaker 2>put out my iPod, got up early. It was a

1163
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Saturday or so, it was a weekend day, and I

1164
01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:14.119
<v Speaker 2>just started. I just started running. You know. It was

1165
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.199
<v Speaker 2>like a forest gump thing. What do I do? And

1166
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:18.119
<v Speaker 2>let me just go for a run. And dude, I

1167
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:20.039
<v Speaker 2>ran for like an hour and a half. I mean

1168
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:23.480
<v Speaker 2>it was a long time. I didn't run across Greenbelt County,

1169
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:26.679
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I ran for I ran for a

1170
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:30.639
<v Speaker 2>long time. And then I came back and I did

1171
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:32.519
<v Speaker 2>not want to go inside. I had to go inside

1172
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:34.679
<v Speaker 2>to get food before I go up to my bonus room,

1173
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:40.119
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't want to go in there. Uh. And

1174
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:42.440
<v Speaker 2>then I realized, well, I'm going to work out more

1175
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:45.159
<v Speaker 2>here in the driveway. And as I'm working out, a

1176
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:49.480
<v Speaker 2>couple things came to mind. One is I felt relief,

1177
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, after that run. Relief, I mean good like

1178
01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:55.559
<v Speaker 2>I was remembering who the fuck I was. I was

1179
01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:58.199
<v Speaker 2>remembering this, and I said to myself, I will not.

1180
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:00.679
<v Speaker 2>You will not defeat me. I will not be defeated.

1181
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:03.760
<v Speaker 2>There's no freak away, there was no way. And and

1182
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:05.519
<v Speaker 2>that's what I made up that mind, right, did I

1183
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:09.840
<v Speaker 2>just got I just gave myself goosebumps. Yeah, I will not.

1184
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.039
<v Speaker 2>And then and another part of me was saying, yeah,

1185
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.840
<v Speaker 2>but bro, you're You're buried. You're buried, And I said nope.

1186
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I counter argued, I said, nope, I have been planted.

1187
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna grow out of this ship. I'm gonna fucking

1188
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:24.119
<v Speaker 2>grow out of it, and I'm gonna get better. I'm

1189
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:30.199
<v Speaker 2>gonna get stronger. So worse than best year, worst and

1190
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:32.399
<v Speaker 2>best year, but that was one of the highlights right

1191
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:35.720
<v Speaker 2>there that changed that that old school mindset, you know,

1192
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:41.079
<v Speaker 2>just a uh, you know, good sanity check. But it's back.

1193
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:45.159
<v Speaker 2>It's back to your origin story, right. It's that is

1194
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.840
<v Speaker 2>that you're not gonna break me.

1195
01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Nope, it's so it's so like, I mean, I'm really

1196
01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:54.279
<v Speaker 1>glad that you're able to share that story. It's just

1197
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.920
<v Speaker 1>so strange to think of like a depressed Pat McNamara.

1198
01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm used to taking high energy

1199
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:02.159
<v Speaker 2>faking my ass off.

1200
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:04.600
<v Speaker 1>The dude, the dude who's in better shape than guys

1201
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 1>half his age. I mean, that's just Pat McNamara. Yep,

1202
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:09.720
<v Speaker 1>that is true.

1203
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:10.039
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1204
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I think one of the things that's hard with that's

1205
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 3>what other situation and not even people who aren't vets,

1206
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:21.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, even our civilian friends, is people who are

1207
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:25.520
<v Speaker 3>really deep in it. They're often faking, right. A lot

1208
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:27.680
<v Speaker 3>of the people who are crying out for help like

1209
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.359
<v Speaker 3>like they're not quite there yet. But it's when a

1210
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:33.800
<v Speaker 3>when a dude or when a person is faking it

1211
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:37.359
<v Speaker 3>that that we have no idea where they're at, but

1212
01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:38.960
<v Speaker 3>they're they're spiral and hard.

1213
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.520
<v Speaker 2>A lot of times, you know, if a guy is

1214
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.039
<v Speaker 2>suffering from that, like depression of alcoholism. They're not going

1215
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:46.800
<v Speaker 2>to You're not going to notice a call for help.

1216
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:49.520
<v Speaker 2>You need to either really know him, know him really well,

1217
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:55.199
<v Speaker 2>or or assume yeah, because I've talked to guys. I've

1218
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:58.640
<v Speaker 2>talked to guys out you know who got out after

1219
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I recovered from all this and got my shit together,

1220
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.439
<v Speaker 2>and I just saw something. You know, they were bitter,

1221
01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:09.359
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, better, And a couple guys

1222
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:11.279
<v Speaker 2>looked at me like I had a dick grown out

1223
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:14.079
<v Speaker 2>of my forehead. But they so appreciated it where I

1224
01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:18.039
<v Speaker 2>pulled him aside and say, hey, man, come out sometime,

1225
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:20.880
<v Speaker 2>get out. I know you said you don't come out.

1226
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Come out, come out and get a pint. Here's my number,

1227
01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:26.680
<v Speaker 2>give me a shot sometime. So I'm not saying that,

1228
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know what I mean. I'm not putting

1229
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:31.560
<v Speaker 2>them in a bad position, right, but I am opening

1230
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the door, and so many of them have taken it,

1231
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and afterwards they've gone, dude. I cannot fucking tell you

1232
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:40.720
<v Speaker 2>how much I appreciate because the guys are crying for help.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they have a real breaking issue.

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01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I really don't.

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01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.239
<v Speaker 2>The guys who are seriously fucked up. You're not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>know it unless you know them, or assume, or you assume.

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01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:53.319
<v Speaker 2>You assume. Dude, you've been through a lot of shit,

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01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:56.439
<v Speaker 2>you know. I will assume to the point where my

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01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.399
<v Speaker 2>guy's happy and he's out, because I just did this recently.

1240
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I was chatting with the guy my local pub. Yeah,

1241
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:07.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm retiring. I say, hey, bro, do do yourself a favor.

1242
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Stay connected, Stay connected with your old buds. Just stay connected.

1243
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Just do that, because I didn't. And the connection is

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01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the cure. I stole that U line from Josh Collins,

1245
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:27.760
<v Speaker 2>buddy mine, but that connection is definitely the cure.

1246
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, did you find yourself isolating a lot during that

1247
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:31.359
<v Speaker 3>period of time?

1248
01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, dude, I wasn't. I knew nobody I knew. Yeah,

1249
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:42.640
<v Speaker 2>But anytime I was out and about or you know,

1250
01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:46.000
<v Speaker 2>on a training gig, I faked the hell out of it,

1251
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:48.920
<v Speaker 2>right right, fake you freaking hell out of it. Who

1252
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:52.439
<v Speaker 2>get you some blaze off baby? You know all the

1253
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:56.520
<v Speaker 2>freaking pat mac shit. So just bloviating. I was all

1254
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.239
<v Speaker 2>freaking theater, all of it. So tell us about the

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01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:02.520
<v Speaker 2>second Lisa Life. What were are the second second Lease

1256
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:07.239
<v Speaker 2>On Life? What was what was that next lifetime life

1257
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:10.119
<v Speaker 2>period that you went on to live. Dude, it's the

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01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:15.319
<v Speaker 2>one I'm living right now now. It's I'll give you

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01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:19.479
<v Speaker 2>the reader's digest version. So meeting Rebecca changed changed change

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01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.359
<v Speaker 2>my life, right. So now I had meaning again, but

1261
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:23.720
<v Speaker 2>I was working. I was busy again. So in twenty thirteen,

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01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I found work, I found more. I was able to regenerate.

1263
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.640
<v Speaker 2>But I felt good. I had this renewed enthusiasm, you know.

1264
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:34.159
<v Speaker 2>And and I just felt good. I was motivated, and

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01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I had the discipline to to to kind of nurture

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01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the motivation. Uh And and when when I met Rebecca,

1267
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.560
<v Speaker 2>I was, Dude, there's so many corny lines I'm gonna say,

1268
01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:53.239
<v Speaker 2>but one of them is I never I never knew

1269
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.600
<v Speaker 2>what it meant in my adult lifetime until I met

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01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Rebecca to truly fall in love with somebody. I never

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01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:06.000
<v Speaker 2>knew until I'm her, never knew it. And now that

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01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:09.399
<v Speaker 2>I have it, I like it. And it's We've been

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01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:12.119
<v Speaker 2>together almost ten years. We haven't had a crossword. She's

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01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:14.079
<v Speaker 2>my best friend. I miss She's at school right now.

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01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.520
<v Speaker 2>She's going to school full time, uh, for to be

1276
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.239
<v Speaker 2>a psychologist. And I'm like dude, I can't wait for

1277
01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:21.439
<v Speaker 2>you to come home. So we figure a glass of

1278
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:26.680
<v Speaker 2>wine together and watch some TV. But worked, we were

1279
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.159
<v Speaker 2>we both we worked our asses off, man. But uh

1280
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:36.439
<v Speaker 2>uh uh sweat equity, you know, with with freedom through discipline. Yeah,

1281
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.800
<v Speaker 2>with discipline comes freedom. So we both worked and worked

1282
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:46.079
<v Speaker 2>and worked. So for ten years, ten years, I did

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01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:49.000
<v Speaker 2>four courses a month, traveling on a plane for most

1284
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:53.159
<v Speaker 2>of them. Ten years. Brutal. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

1285
01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:57.279
<v Speaker 2>with two with two big publican cases, shitty flight, shitty

1286
01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:02.279
<v Speaker 2>rental car, shitty hotel, shitty range, get back on a Monday,

1287
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Tuesday and Wednesday, maintenance Thursday, you plan your trip Friday,

1288
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:08.479
<v Speaker 2>your back on a play. Ten years, ten years, and

1289
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:16.960
<v Speaker 2>then what happens the virus from China, China kinda virus,

1290
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.319
<v Speaker 2>So the lockdown happened. I refused to call it a pandemic.

1291
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:22.319
<v Speaker 2>The lockdown happened.

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01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:26.600
<v Speaker 2>And that was man, that was a gift. That was

1294
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:30.000
<v Speaker 2>such a freaking absolute gift for me, because.

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01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:34.359
<v Speaker 3>That allowed me to adjust my life right in your

1296
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:36.520
<v Speaker 3>business plant, yeah yeah, yeah.

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01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:40.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. So I don't travel anymore to do work.

1298
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:45.199
<v Speaker 2>It's all local generated a couple of new businesses like

1299
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned at the beginning. I have a online coaching

1300
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:50.239
<v Speaker 2>squad that pat Matt keep the Blaze Live Coaching squad

1301
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:54.039
<v Speaker 2>on Patreon, about over four hundred members on that it's

1302
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:59.640
<v Speaker 2>really that talk about fulfillment, you know, job satisfaction, because

1303
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.760
<v Speaker 2>it's not it's it's not like a job. The folks.

1304
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:08.039
<v Speaker 2>I have developed a relationship of, you know, with four

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01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:12.560
<v Speaker 2>hundred some new people, several of uh of whom I've

1306
01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:19.119
<v Speaker 2>met in person because we'll do bi annual meetups. So

1307
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:23.199
<v Speaker 2>extremely eclectic group. The skill sets are all over the map.

1308
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Uh So I have that I you know, I had

1309
01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the fitness program and the combat strength training and I

1310
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.640
<v Speaker 2>sell those resistance bands. And after you know, Coronication, everybody

1311
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:36.119
<v Speaker 2>was doing home gym. So I was like, dude, I

1312
01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:40.359
<v Speaker 2>could I could just be the rubber band man. I

1313
01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:43.079
<v Speaker 2>was making a living selling rubber bands. I was like, damn,

1314
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.319
<v Speaker 2>this ship people want because because I developed these bands

1315
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:50.399
<v Speaker 2>that are tubular instead of the flat ones, you know,

1316
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:54.439
<v Speaker 2>so they just last long, they're so versatile.

1317
01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Where where if people wanted to buy some of those bands,

1318
01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:57.880
<v Speaker 3>where would they find them?

1319
01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I just thought, I don't have any in stock right now.

1320
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:05.039
<v Speaker 2>But they're they're off of my like link tree on

1321
01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:09.840
<v Speaker 2>my tax Inc. Insta, Instagram or off my website tmax Inc.

1322
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:13.560
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and then my buddy c J and I

1323
01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:18.159
<v Speaker 2>have this podcast, University of bad Assory. Uh. We do

1324
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:25.840
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of mini vlogging and uh on my YouTube channel,

1325
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:28.720
<v Speaker 2>which is a lot of fun, you know. So I'm

1326
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm very busy because you gotta stay busy, right, yeah,

1327
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:34.680
<v Speaker 2>you got to. I'm writing, I'm I'm I'm writing a

1328
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:39.199
<v Speaker 2>kid's book. I am doing more drawings. I've opened my

1329
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:43.119
<v Speaker 2>calendar up to doing private uh one on one classes.

1330
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm still doing the fitness uh training, you know, online

1331
01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:52.960
<v Speaker 2>training and programming and uh and trying to stay fit

1332
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:58.680
<v Speaker 2>as ship in the process, which you know who it

1333
01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:00.560
<v Speaker 2>gets tougher, it gets tougher to no doubt. If this

1334
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:02.600
<v Speaker 2>shit don't get easier, you know now you know, don't

1335
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:05.000
<v Speaker 2>get easier. But you know what, you know what I have,

1336
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:09.119
<v Speaker 2>You have this advantage. I have a and I always

1337
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:11.680
<v Speaker 2>want to tell them my so my fan base, my

1338
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:17.640
<v Speaker 2>my my audience. Right, so like half million on Instace

1339
01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:21.720
<v Speaker 2>shizzle and fifty thousand on LinkedIn, and uh, you know,

1340
01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:24.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that millions and millions of views on

1341
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:29.079
<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel. They motivate me because they always ask how

1342
01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:30.960
<v Speaker 2>do you stay motivated? It's like, bro, you motivate me.

1343
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing this shit for you because I know you're

1344
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:36.640
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to it. You're counting on me. I have

1345
01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to post this workout because you're counting on me. So

1346
01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:43.399
<v Speaker 2>I always have to thank my my fan base because

1347
01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I got it. It would be real hard to do

1348
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:51.039
<v Speaker 2>it without them, real hard. You know that.

1349
01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:54.720
<v Speaker 3>I think that anybody that came from, you know, the

1350
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:58.840
<v Speaker 3>spec ops community would have something to teach people that

1351
01:17:59.000 --> 01:17:59.920
<v Speaker 3>that hadn't been through that.

1352
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:02.159
<v Speaker 2>But you really have.

1353
01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Outside of that, right, outside of that Special Operations experience,

1354
01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:16.479
<v Speaker 3>you have some real life experience, some real times of

1355
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:20.039
<v Speaker 3>overcoming adversity and what that means and continually doing it

1356
01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:24.279
<v Speaker 3>and like being there like we can, Like you said,

1357
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:26.720
<v Speaker 3>we all fake it at some point in time, right,

1358
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:33.640
<v Speaker 3>we all fake it. But you've been about as deeply

1359
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.359
<v Speaker 3>down as a human can be.

1360
01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:41.399
<v Speaker 2>And that close, that close to capitulation, and and and

1361
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:43.319
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and.

1362
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:46.439
<v Speaker 3>And you say, you know, you say two leases on life,

1363
01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:48.880
<v Speaker 3>and it's it feels like you've had at least three,

1364
01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:52.000
<v Speaker 3>because the one with your son sounds like another one where.

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01:18:52.119 --> 01:18:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, that was part of it, that was part of

1366
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:55.319
<v Speaker 2>that was that was part of the second one, because

1367
01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:57.319
<v Speaker 2>that was all that was a lead in, you know.

1368
01:18:57.720 --> 01:18:59.880
<v Speaker 3>And and it's to me, it's just such an inspiring,

1369
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:03.039
<v Speaker 3>an amazing story. And somebody doesn't have to be a

1370
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:08.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, special operations want to be uh in order

1371
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:13.920
<v Speaker 3>to find you know, inspiration from you because it's a

1372
01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:14.920
<v Speaker 3>very human story.

1373
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and you know what, you you've probably seen

1374
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:20.640
<v Speaker 2>this about me. I don't pound my chest and talk

1375
01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:23.600
<v Speaker 2>special special ops in Delta Park in use of sab

1376
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.880
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. I don't. I don't. I'm not one of these.

1377
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Rest on your laurels, Mamma jamas. I was a bad

1378
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:30.880
<v Speaker 2>ass yesterday, but I'm a bad ass tomorrow. So I'm

1379
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:32.800
<v Speaker 2>not gonna talk a lot about that, right you know,

1380
01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, you know, if guys are interested,

1381
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:38.840
<v Speaker 2>hell yeah, but that doesn't define me, right. What defines

1382
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:41.960
<v Speaker 2>me is me right now, right here, and what I'm

1383
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:44.880
<v Speaker 2>going to do tomorrow, which is get drunk.

1384
01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:48.199
<v Speaker 3>Can we talk about your pontalism a little bit?

1385
01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, you have several they're all most most of what

1386
01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:59.119
<v Speaker 2>I do. Or I have a Bird of Prey series,

1387
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:02.119
<v Speaker 2>so I'm bird you know, bird guy. I don't have

1388
01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:04.560
<v Speaker 2>any right here? Who I got one on the wall there.

1389
01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:07.560
<v Speaker 2>It's got a glass frame. But this is an example.

1390
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:09.600
<v Speaker 2>This is one I did a few years back. So

1391
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:12.399
<v Speaker 2>this is a military one, so not bird of prey

1392
01:20:13.039 --> 01:20:16.880
<v Speaker 2>uh s f one like before and after. You know

1393
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:19.399
<v Speaker 2>we're then and now. But if I were able to

1394
01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:21.119
<v Speaker 2>get it close enough, you can see that this is

1395
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:26.199
<v Speaker 2>all comprised of dots. I don't think the y yep. Yeah,

1396
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.399
<v Speaker 2>so the whole thing is dots. You know, it's all

1397
01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:32.239
<v Speaker 2>it's all for your dots. That's amazing. So with a

1398
01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:35.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, with a point uh to any point two

1399
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:41.359
<v Speaker 2>five rapidiograph drafting pen. Yeah, but yeah, it's fun. Is that?

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01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Is that sort of like a meditative thing? Pat that

1401
01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:45.159
<v Speaker 1>like you're in the zone.

1402
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:47.680
<v Speaker 2>It is very I have a bunch of I am

1403
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:51.000
<v Speaker 2>hobby heavy, hobby heavy, hobby heavy, and they're all therapeutic. Yeah,

1404
01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:55.840
<v Speaker 2>bird watching, the gardening, the fishing, the drawing, the photography.

1405
01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Uh oh shit was on. There's more. I do everything

1406
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:09.279
<v Speaker 2>or and if I don't, I aspire. I want to

1407
01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:11.279
<v Speaker 2>do everything. I don't aspire to do everything. I want

1408
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.760
<v Speaker 2>to do as much as much as possible. I want

1409
01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:19.720
<v Speaker 2>to learn, you know, or learn to do things. I

1410
01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:22.159
<v Speaker 2>think it's good to be interesting. You don't want your

1411
01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:25.760
<v Speaker 2>brain to become stagnant. You know, when you see something

1412
01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:28.479
<v Speaker 2>that's interesting and you say that'd be cool to learn that,

1413
01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:31.680
<v Speaker 2>well go fucking learn it, man, you know, put one

1414
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:34.960
<v Speaker 2>just one foot, just one foot in front of the other,

1415
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and see what happens. You know, because a lot of

1416
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:42.079
<v Speaker 2>times we'll say that ship, but we won't start ran

1417
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.560
<v Speaker 2>is a start point. You don't have to commit. But

1418
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:48.560
<v Speaker 2>if you if you start right, that'd be cool. That'd

1419
01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:50.000
<v Speaker 2>be cool. I would like to learn how to do that.

1420
01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:52.800
<v Speaker 2>What's the next step? Let me watch a YouTube video

1421
01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:55.199
<v Speaker 2>on this, but just easy as that. It's as easy

1422
01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:59.079
<v Speaker 2>as you know. And then and then you could take

1423
01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:03.479
<v Speaker 2>it one step further, you know, if it appeals. But yeah,

1424
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I like to do shit. I like to do things.

1425
01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:09.359
<v Speaker 2>I like to do that. I have to say this one,

1426
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:11.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, the basic dude stuff.

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01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, what what do you what were? Where would you

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01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:19.800
<v Speaker 3>like to be? I mean you're a young guy. Still

1429
01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:21.560
<v Speaker 3>where would you like to be in five or ten years?

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01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:27.199
<v Speaker 2>You know? I think I would like to be like, uh, retired, retired,

1431
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:31.800
<v Speaker 2>But busy. But what I mean by busy is doing

1432
01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:35.439
<v Speaker 2>something with my hands, plowing a field, building a dam,

1433
01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:39.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, doing something grandiose. I always thought it would

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<v Speaker 2>be cool to build a castle, you know, to live

1435
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.119
<v Speaker 2>by a river and use the river rock to build

1436
01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a castle. I want to be I wanted. I want

1437
01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:51.079
<v Speaker 2>to defy age. I want to be as fit as

1438
01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:55.439
<v Speaker 2>hell for as long as possible, too, because I know

1439
01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:56.920
<v Speaker 2>what it's like to not be fit. I know what

1440
01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:00.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like to hurt. Yeah, And and I think we

1441
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:06.680
<v Speaker 2>take for granted what feeling good feels like. Oh yeah,

1442
01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:10.319
<v Speaker 2>how about this. I think we take for granted what

1443
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:15.840
<v Speaker 2>not feeling like shit feels like. Yeah, because a lot

1444
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:19.600
<v Speaker 2>of people don't know what feeling good feels like, because

1445
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:23.199
<v Speaker 2>they've never felt like shit, you know, they've through it

1446
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:28.239
<v Speaker 2>for an extended period of time. But I think, you know,

1447
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm an outdoorsman. I want to spend more time just

1448
01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:39.399
<v Speaker 2>walking around looking at stuff, taking photos, fishing in streams

1449
01:23:39.399 --> 01:23:42.119
<v Speaker 2>that no white man is fished out of, you know,

1450
01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:45.399
<v Speaker 2>getting way up into the mountains, and just ripping freaking

1451
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:49.279
<v Speaker 2>lips with the smallest you know, twenty two size twenty

1452
01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:55.239
<v Speaker 2>two fly. And yeah, I just that kind of thing.

1453
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.640
<v Speaker 2>But I still want to be busy. You know. People say, yeah,

1454
01:23:57.680 --> 01:23:59.239
<v Speaker 2>when I retire, it's going to be a sandy beach

1455
01:23:59.279 --> 01:23:59.640
<v Speaker 2>and cigar.

1456
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:03.319
<v Speaker 3>I think through that, bro, I call that a two

1457
01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:05.439
<v Speaker 3>day vacation, right, and.

1458
01:24:05.479 --> 01:24:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Then after that, I'm like, dude, I have to do something.

1459
01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I gotta I gotta stay busy, you know I could.

1460
01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:14.279
<v Speaker 2>I've thrown a lot around a lot of ideas when

1461
01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:16.279
<v Speaker 2>I retire, I might go back to work, I might

1462
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:18.079
<v Speaker 2>go back to school. I thought it'd be cool to

1463
01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:21.640
<v Speaker 2>get a teaching degree. Mhm that I don't need to

1464
01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:26.159
<v Speaker 2>teach full time. Just put me on as a substitute teach. Yeah,

1465
01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:31.680
<v Speaker 2>make some sh interesting. I gotta make a boring subject interest,

1466
01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Like I would take geography from you. I can see

1467
01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Pat mac us history teacher. I think I think that well.

1468
01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:41.439
<v Speaker 2>I think that's one of the things I want to do.

1469
01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:43.640
<v Speaker 2>So I have a target demographic with a lot of

1470
01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that I'm doing, and it's younger people. I

1471
01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:50.279
<v Speaker 2>want to have a positive influence on younger people, you know,

1472
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:55.119
<v Speaker 2>kids to teenagers, because yeah, they need it. They need

1473
01:24:55.199 --> 01:24:58.159
<v Speaker 2>it right now. Yeah they need That's cool, man. Do

1474
01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>we have any questions for Pat we've got to so oh.

1475
01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Questions from the viewers.

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01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:08.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm gonna pour a little.

1477
01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Bit myself so in the face. Thank you very much.

1478
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:16.800
<v Speaker 3>When are Pat Maclarry Vickers, Paul Howe, and Kyle Lamb

1479
01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:19.119
<v Speaker 3>gonna do the most epic podcast ever together?

1480
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'd be a hard one to coordinate. Hun. All

1481
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:25.920
<v Speaker 2>those guys are busy as shit, man, I mean, and

1482
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:28.520
<v Speaker 2>you know what, they're all great. I know those guys

1483
01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:32.039
<v Speaker 2>and man, they're all really really. People don't pay them

1484
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:35.840
<v Speaker 2>enough credit. I don't think or no, let me back up,

1485
01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:40.680
<v Speaker 2>people in my industry, my community don't pay them enough credit.

1486
01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they have paved the way, you know, Larry

1487
01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and Paul and Kyle, they have paved the way for

1488
01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:49.159
<v Speaker 2>so much shit in the gun industry and the kid industry.

1489
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.279
<v Speaker 2>They paved the way for me because they started before

1490
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:54.600
<v Speaker 2>me doing this. I owe them a debt of gratitude,

1491
01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:56.880
<v Speaker 2>not for what they've done in the military, but how

1492
01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:02.319
<v Speaker 2>they've succeeded outside the military. These guys are bad ass, bro. Uh.

1493
01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Paul Harper, thank you very much. Uh.

1494
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:08.880
<v Speaker 3>What lessons for future urban conflicts should Taiwan be learning

1495
01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:10.479
<v Speaker 3>from the attachment A in Berlin.

1496
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Interesting question.

1497
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, whoa, this is thought provoking. Say it again because

1498
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:17.800
<v Speaker 2>you were a little bit muffled, Sorry about that. What

1499
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>lessons for future urban conflict? Should Taiwan be learning from

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01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:28.039
<v Speaker 2>dead a in Berlin? Yeah? Well, should who be learning Taiwan?

1501
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Right right? Right? Well? The one of this, this one

1502
01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>always gets my goat, is you can't rely on technology.

1503
01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna ship the bed. That's a big one. It's

1504
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:42.920
<v Speaker 2>even for urban ops all that shit. You can't rely

1505
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:45.479
<v Speaker 2>on technology. You gotta go old school. You gotta know

1506
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:47.880
<v Speaker 2>cardinal directions. You gotta know how to freaking read shit.

1507
01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:50.920
<v Speaker 2>You gotta know shadows, you gotta know street craft, you

1508
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:53.800
<v Speaker 2>gotta know all that craft you know. You gotta know

1509
01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>old school communication. You gotta know dead drop sites, signal sites,

1510
01:26:57.279 --> 01:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>how to do a PM because we suck at that

1511
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>now too, personal meat, you know, we suck at communication skills,

1512
01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:07.560
<v Speaker 2>inter face to face communication skills. Get back to the

1513
01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:09.640
<v Speaker 2>old school ship. I'm right on this.

1514
01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:14.600
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I guarantee you we'll tee happy yep.

1515
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Any thanks again, Apat, I have oh this is something

1516
01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:22.640
<v Speaker 3>we could talk about. Also, I've I've got rheumatoried arthritis

1517
01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:25.239
<v Speaker 3>and got med boarded. I'm trying to stay fit, but

1518
01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:29.479
<v Speaker 3>it's a challenge. How would you adapt if you were me?

1519
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:32.079
<v Speaker 2>And you know you can kind of dude, I've got

1520
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:34.840
<v Speaker 2>something way worse than fucking rheumatoried arthritis. Man, I got

1521
01:27:34.920 --> 01:27:39.319
<v Speaker 2>this stupid gay disease called polymaus a rheumatica. So I'm

1522
01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:44.239
<v Speaker 2>almost at two years right now. Bro, I I empathize

1523
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:47.520
<v Speaker 2>who is this? What's his name? And your fat and

1524
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:51.239
<v Speaker 2>your face and you and I empathize with you, so

1525
01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:56.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, uh wait, what was that name? Was that

1526
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.159
<v Speaker 2>a pseudonym? I think? So? Yeah? And your face? All right? Right, yeah,

1527
01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:01.720
<v Speaker 2>all right? Anyway, I wish I could really address them

1528
01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:06.720
<v Speaker 2>because it would be more personal, but I empathize because

1529
01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>chronic pain, uh sucks. Bat and I had to get

1530
01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:13.960
<v Speaker 2>to a point, oh man, this was bad. It was

1531
01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>really bad where I could no longer rely on motivation

1532
01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:21.479
<v Speaker 2>because I have no no enthusiasm, no motivation. So I

1533
01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>had to rely on discipline, on discipline. I had to lie,

1534
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:27.720
<v Speaker 2>rely on my routine, my daily planner. I live off

1535
01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:31.199
<v Speaker 2>of white white ports. I got a year there, and

1536
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:34.000
<v Speaker 2>my laundry room I have the next couple weeks and refrigerator.

1537
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:37.720
<v Speaker 2>I have what's going on tomorrow every night, every night.

1538
01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Right now, when I get off of this, I'm going

1539
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.119
<v Speaker 2>to go down and write my workout on that board,

1540
01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:44.039
<v Speaker 2>so that first thing in the morning that I see.

1541
01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Because motion is lotion, mobility is survivability. So your body's

1542
01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>telling you don't work out. Your brain, I mean, your

1543
01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:53.439
<v Speaker 2>brain is telling your body, don't work out, don't do it.

1544
01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Sit on that reclinent because that shit hurts. It hurts, man.

1545
01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I had no you know, you see these commercials and

1546
01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:06.239
<v Speaker 2>shit record art writers. I'm like, whatever, a bunch of pussies. Dude,

1547
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>that shit hurts so bad. You're you're constantly fiddling with

1548
01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:14.720
<v Speaker 2>hands and wrists, your shoulders, well with the PMR. It shoulders, hips, joints, muscles,

1549
01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>it's jaw lining. It's back of the head, it's arches

1550
01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:23.760
<v Speaker 2>of the feet, it's everything. It's everything. You deal with

1551
01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:26.760
<v Speaker 2>it the best you freaking can. Here's the thing, though,

1552
01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:28.159
<v Speaker 2>I wish I had his name because I want to

1553
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:32.560
<v Speaker 2>talk to him, is give it a name and give

1554
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:36.199
<v Speaker 2>it a bad place to live. Give it let it

1555
01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:40.079
<v Speaker 2>live in a shithole. Work out, you know, when it

1556
01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:42.800
<v Speaker 2>tells you not to eat healthy when it tells you

1557
01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>because you have you probably have a lack of appetite

1558
01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:47.520
<v Speaker 2>because you might be taking like prednizone or something. Nope,

1559
01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>fuck that, eat healthy. It's telling you not to. It's

1560
01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>telling you, you know, eat stuff, crussed pizza. Yeah, tell it.

1561
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you. Give it a name. I called mine the demon.

1562
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:01.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm at almost to you now. I'm beating this thing.

1563
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:03.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm beating it. Oh and that's the other thing. I

1564
01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:06.840
<v Speaker 2>went out all prescription mets. Oh. Here's another thing, dude,

1565
01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:11.439
<v Speaker 2>I wish I had his name once again. Infrared sona

1566
01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:17.479
<v Speaker 2>magic for this shit. Magic infrared sauna. I bought one

1567
01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:20.359
<v Speaker 2>from my garage. Guarantee you, dude, in your town somewhere

1568
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:24.119
<v Speaker 2>there's a salt spot with infrared sauna. Go sit in one.

1569
01:30:24.279 --> 01:30:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Make it hot as shit because infrared sauna doesn't heat

1570
01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the air around you, eat your body. Are those they say,

1571
01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:31.159
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty Those are the personal ones that

1572
01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you sit in like that are around you right there

1573
01:30:35.279 --> 01:30:39.960
<v Speaker 2>like a big room, right okay, yep, yep. So that

1574
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:43.520
<v Speaker 2>that that's my advice right now on that. God.

1575
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Can you you know you said motivation for you know,

1576
01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:50.319
<v Speaker 3>you don't use motivation, use discipline. Can you really quickly

1577
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:51.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of tell us what the difference is for you.

1578
01:30:54.279 --> 01:30:56.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting back to being motivated now because I'm beating

1579
01:30:56.399 --> 01:31:00.640
<v Speaker 3>this thing. So look out world, because in the past

1580
01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:03.319
<v Speaker 3>year and a half, two years once again faking it.

1581
01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Any post that you've seen to me doing workouts and

1582
01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:07.960
<v Speaker 3>stuff totally fake.

1583
01:31:08.720 --> 01:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Those were my best reps. If you look, if you

1584
01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>go back in my archives and you see the workouts

1585
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing, you'll think, oh, yeah, Pat maxim shape. I mean,

1586
01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:19.399
<v Speaker 2>he's not a shit. You're good as shape he was

1587
01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:21.760
<v Speaker 2>two years ago. That's because of this ship and what

1588
01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:24.119
<v Speaker 2>you were because I still had the post freaking workouts

1589
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:27.520
<v Speaker 2>for my fan base, and they were getting me motivated.

1590
01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:31.479
<v Speaker 2>Uh but they were seeing my best freaking reps, and

1591
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>those reps and for the most part, sucked. They sucked.

1592
01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:37.319
<v Speaker 2>But now you're gonna see it. You're seeing a difference

1593
01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>already past couple of weeks, the people who really have notes.

1594
01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:45.399
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, I had to rely on discipline, so

1595
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:52.319
<v Speaker 2>my whiteboard, planning, ah, soul searching, just you know, I

1596
01:31:52.439 --> 01:31:55.039
<v Speaker 2>because so many times I'm drawn to the recliner, and

1597
01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:57.039
<v Speaker 2>so many times I say, let me just sleep for

1598
01:31:57.119 --> 01:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>half an hour, and so many times I would say nope,

1599
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not so then I would start the process because

1600
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I know I have to work out. I have to

1601
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>if I want to move for the rest of the day.

1602
01:32:07.399 --> 01:32:10.439
<v Speaker 2>And every every ounce of my being is saying, don't

1603
01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:14.840
<v Speaker 2>do it, don't do it. So you have to dress

1604
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.479
<v Speaker 2>the part number one. So I have to put my

1605
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Batman outfit on. And for me, it was like a

1606
01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:23.319
<v Speaker 2>headband and you know, just whatever, put the headband on,

1607
01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:27.039
<v Speaker 2>put the watch cap on. Then you show up. Yeah yeah,

1608
01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, and then you show up. You got to

1609
01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>show up. It would take me half an hour to

1610
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:36.239
<v Speaker 2>an hour to warm up.

1611
01:32:38.279 --> 01:32:43.920
<v Speaker 3>And then that's it's incredible sporming Clint, thank you very much.

1612
01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:46.600
<v Speaker 3>A friend and former guest of ours. Uh Pat Mac

1613
01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:48.279
<v Speaker 3>looking forward to this one, Jack and Dave.

1614
01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>You guys have been killing it. Keep it up well, Thanksint.

1615
01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:56.000
<v Speaker 3>We were killing it because of people like that, Like

1616
01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:57.119
<v Speaker 3>if we're.

1617
01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Just Jack and I, nobody.

1618
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Getting drunk every Friday, Jamison Price, Thank you very much.

1619
01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Pat.

1620
01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's take off the gloves and tell all do unit

1621
01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:15.159
<v Speaker 3>badass dudes operate within the connell Us and drive uh

1622
01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:19.159
<v Speaker 3>lead into and drive lead into.

1623
01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>A whole terrorists. Do they well, yeah they do. No,

1624
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, before you say yeah they do all it,

1625
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:28.039
<v Speaker 2>make sure you get the whole question.

1626
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Do they operate within the continental US and drive lead

1627
01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:32.600
<v Speaker 3>into a whole terrorists?

1628
01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Oh in the continental US? No? No, no, uh steph,

1629
01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Sergeant Omen, Thank you very much.

1630
01:33:41.239 --> 01:33:43.279
<v Speaker 3>Where did you think where do you think you received

1631
01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:46.560
<v Speaker 3>the best trade craft training while you were prepping for assignment?

1632
01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>In Berlin or during OTC or somewhere else. I would say, yeah, Berlin.

1633
01:33:56.680 --> 01:33:58.760
<v Speaker 2>They were the masters at it, you know, so I

1634
01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:01.560
<v Speaker 2>learned from those guys. And I remember there was the

1635
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:03.079
<v Speaker 2>one guy I won't say his full name, but Art.

1636
01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Art carried me around in the city for a few

1637
01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>days and he would even tell me how to walk,

1638
01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, and he brought me to second hand stores.

1639
01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:16.359
<v Speaker 2>He says, you can't wear all that madic and ship bro.

1640
01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:22.399
<v Speaker 2>You need to wear his stupid German clothes, really tight pants. Yeah, yeah,

1641
01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:24.640
<v Speaker 2>just you know, i'd like twenty years behind and the

1642
01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:31.119
<v Speaker 2>pack yeah, fanny pack. Yeah, and now when we died. No, definitely,

1643
01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:32.159
<v Speaker 2>definitely in Berlin.

1644
01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:36.359
<v Speaker 3>Jackson, thank you very much. Is there a cultural difference

1645
01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:37.279
<v Speaker 3>between squadrons?

1646
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny there there is, but I don't think

1647
01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:45.680
<v Speaker 2>it's as pronounced as the guys there think it is.

1648
01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I always tell yeah, because there still is, and it's

1649
01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:52.239
<v Speaker 2>still it's it's still the same banter because I know

1650
01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>current unit guys now and they'll talk about it and

1651
01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I go, guys, that's all fake news, man, it's freaking fake.

1652
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>It's too And I know how this materialized. I was

1653
01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>there when it materialized, and it's fake. But yeah, they're there,

1654
01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:13.479
<v Speaker 2>there is, but I think it's more up here, right,

1655
01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:14.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not.

1656
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:18.159
<v Speaker 3>It's more like an image thing than an actual functional thing.

1657
01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I know dudes right now who are in

1658
01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:26.079
<v Speaker 2>abc D squadron and they're all the same dudes, right,

1659
01:35:27.039 --> 01:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>They're all the same.

1660
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Joe's got youa thank you very much. Was free flow

1661
01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:36.000
<v Speaker 3>CQB a thing when you got to the unit? Was

1662
01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:38.319
<v Speaker 3>that something the British sas created and.

1663
01:35:38.399 --> 01:35:39.439
<v Speaker 2>The unit improved upon.

1664
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Yep, Yes and yes, Jackson, thank you very much. What

1665
01:35:47.079 --> 01:35:49.840
<v Speaker 3>was the hardest part of selection for you and what

1666
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:51.720
<v Speaker 3>would you have done differently if you had to do

1667
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:52.159
<v Speaker 3>it again?

1668
01:35:54.920 --> 01:36:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Woo, Well, this is free this is gonna sound weird.

1669
01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>The hardest part for me was at the end, after

1670
01:36:04.039 --> 01:36:08.680
<v Speaker 2>stress was the board. That was the hardest part for me.

1671
01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I wish it would just went away. I remember sitting

1672
01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.119
<v Speaker 2>on the board thinking, man, I'd rather do a forty

1673
01:36:15.159 --> 01:36:20.359
<v Speaker 2>mile or at night right now than this. That was

1674
01:36:20.399 --> 01:36:26.039
<v Speaker 2>the hardest part. What would I do differently? I wouldn't

1675
01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:29.720
<v Speaker 2>dig my I dig myself into a hole, you know.

1676
01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.880
<v Speaker 2>And And it was because I was I was telling

1677
01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>the truth, but I was using There was a there

1678
01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:44.000
<v Speaker 2>was a question guys for answer asking me, And it's

1679
01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>just it was so fucking stupid.

1680
01:36:46.039 --> 01:36:46.199
<v Speaker 4>Man.

1681
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:54.079
<v Speaker 2>I was using some military cover to answer a question

1682
01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:58.319
<v Speaker 2>about a previous unit. And they know the truth, right,

1683
01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:03.239
<v Speaker 2>They're not. I mean they they were there probably, but

1684
01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of naive and I thought to myself, well,

1685
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:09.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe I shouldn't talk about it, even to these dudes, right,

1686
01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:14.359
<v Speaker 2>And I stuck with it. They pressed me and pressed me,

1687
01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:17.039
<v Speaker 2>and so now they depressed me. I think they just

1688
01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:19.439
<v Speaker 2>want to see, Am I gonna stick with the Am

1689
01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:22.039
<v Speaker 2>I gonna stand in my circle right in your circle? Yeah?

1690
01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I can stand in my circle right right? Because they

1691
01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>pressed me and pressed me and pressed me on and

1692
01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:31.479
<v Speaker 2>I stuck in my circle. Yeah, they I should I

1693
01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:33.279
<v Speaker 2>just should have came out so oh yeah, yeah, that's

1694
01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:35.359
<v Speaker 2>what I was doing. You guys know all about that. Yeah,

1695
01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and then it would have been a twenty minute board

1696
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:38.319
<v Speaker 2>instead of an hour and twenty.

1697
01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:41.319
<v Speaker 1>Right, So they they the board asked you about like

1698
01:37:41.399 --> 01:37:43.720
<v Speaker 1>ps SE and you gave them the cover story of like, oh,

1699
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:46.159
<v Speaker 1>we're an MP unit that does training for the legs

1700
01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:48.039
<v Speaker 1>and bingo.

1701
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:51.439
<v Speaker 3>And then once you had that out there, then you can't.

1702
01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:52.880
<v Speaker 3>You can't let your circle go.

1703
01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:53.359
<v Speaker 2>You can't.

1704
01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:56.479
<v Speaker 1>It was right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta stick to

1705
01:37:56.479 --> 01:37:58.520
<v Speaker 1>your guns. Yeah, stick to your guns.

1706
01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:01.520
<v Speaker 3>They're like they're probably like like rubbing their hands like,

1707
01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:05.680
<v Speaker 3>oh really dude, Well at least you know Pat's not

1708
01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:09.840
<v Speaker 3>KNOPSEC violator. Yeah, turned it into a serious session.

1709
01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn. So that that was easy one. That was easy. Yep, Jackson,

1710
01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:17.119
<v Speaker 2>thanks again.

1711
01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh a little bit of a little bit of salt maybe?

1712
01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:23.479
<v Speaker 3>Uh how did the unit do you? Dev grew an.

1713
01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:26.720
<v Speaker 1>HRT spicy little spicy?

1714
01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well the unit viewed him very well. There you go.

1715
01:38:35.359 --> 01:38:37.199
<v Speaker 2>How about that. I just stayed out of that one.

1716
01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:40.560
<v Speaker 2>That was really positive. I like that positive.

1717
01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:45.560
<v Speaker 3>See you're you're good at these board questions.

1718
01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Now, dude, I've got some real I got some real

1719
01:38:50.319 --> 01:38:53.319
<v Speaker 2>good berdies that dev grew. Uh and even you know

1720
01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:56.640
<v Speaker 2>out here, you know, out in this world, some retired

1721
01:38:56.680 --> 01:39:01.159
<v Speaker 2>guys that I that I really love. Same cut of

1722
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>the claw dudes bro Hrt had. I don't know many

1723
01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>of them. I don't know many of them. Yep, but

1724
01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:09.039
<v Speaker 2>that was good. That was a good question, and I'm

1725
01:39:09.039 --> 01:39:10.560
<v Speaker 2>sticking with my answer. That's a good answer too.

1726
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Definitely learned from that board, Alejandro. Thank you very much.

1727
01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:17.239
<v Speaker 3>Pat When you were there, did you grab a chunk

1728
01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:19.720
<v Speaker 3>of the wall. My folks still have picks of My

1729
01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:23.039
<v Speaker 3>sister and I chiseling off pieces. We were living in Romstein,

1730
01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Romstein in West Germany and happened to be visiting Berlin,

1731
01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:30.239
<v Speaker 3>staying at Tempelhof Air Force Base.

1732
01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I chosen up tons of it. And I

1733
01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:38.079
<v Speaker 2>would make people these little plaques with UH and I would,

1734
01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, like epoxyem on. Yeah, I can and clearcoat

1735
01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:45.479
<v Speaker 2>them on. And within that too, I had some of

1736
01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:47.520
<v Speaker 2>the original there's a fun German word to say, some

1737
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:53.159
<v Speaker 2>of the original stockel grad which is barbed wire, so

1738
01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:53.680
<v Speaker 2>it's all.

1739
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:56.439
<v Speaker 3>Rusty, you know, but it's clear code. It's cool a ship.

1740
01:39:56.600 --> 01:40:00.960
<v Speaker 3>But yes, absolutely, that's very cool. And I every time

1741
01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:06.880
<v Speaker 3>I see Romstein, I think dou haas ye once again

1742
01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:10.600
<v Speaker 3>from uh Anya? Uh thanks?

1743
01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Uh hey, Pat?

1744
01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:13.760
<v Speaker 3>What do we have to get to do to get

1745
01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:16.560
<v Speaker 3>a video of you working out with Rudy Reyes.

1746
01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:19.359
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

1747
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that that aint gonna happen. I should

1748
01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:27.720
<v Speaker 2>see Rudy here next month. I'm going to an event

1749
01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:30.239
<v Speaker 2>and he should be there. I think I think he'll

1750
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:33.000
<v Speaker 2>be there, but now then again happened. We're two different

1751
01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:34.359
<v Speaker 2>styles of stuff, you know.

1752
01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:39.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm mad octab Thank you very much, Thank you for

1753
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:40.159
<v Speaker 3>their service.

1754
01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Brother.

1755
01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:44.039
<v Speaker 3>Can you please comment on some contemporary issues, recruitment problems,

1756
01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:47.680
<v Speaker 3>counter terrorism in the future, the festering domestic anti americanism.

1757
01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Keep on.

1758
01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:50.960
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a lot. That's a lot there, buddy, that's

1759
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:51.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot.

1760
01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot.

1761
01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:54.640
<v Speaker 1>It's supposed to solve America and Internet.

1762
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:59.399
<v Speaker 3>What am I reading? I read for office here you

1763
01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:01.560
<v Speaker 3>know what it was. But right now you can announce

1764
01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:03.119
<v Speaker 3>right now if you've got a if you've got.

1765
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:04.079
<v Speaker 1>You've got a platform.

1766
01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't have the stomach for it. I hate politics

1767
01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:13.319
<v Speaker 2>and I hate politicians. I despise them on both sides. Yep,

1768
01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:17.720
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I didn't most of those questions. You know,

1769
01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:19.520
<v Speaker 2>well we can talk.

1770
01:41:19.479 --> 01:41:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Maybe not general recruitment problems. How how do you see

1771
01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:26.159
<v Speaker 3>like recruitment in like the special ops community right now

1772
01:41:26.199 --> 01:41:28.119
<v Speaker 3>for your friends that are in there, is it still healthy?

1773
01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

1774
01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Are they having issues? It's still healthy? Still healthy there?

1775
01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Yep. The military though, Yeah, their numbers are down. Yeah,

1776
01:41:37.119 --> 01:41:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean what seventy five percent of today's youth is

1777
01:41:40.720 --> 01:41:49.760
<v Speaker 2>unfit to be in the military. Seventy five percent. There

1778
01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.279
<v Speaker 2>you go, recruitment.

1779
01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:57.439
<v Speaker 3>Kenneth Jones, thank you very much for the donation. Steve Court, right,

1780
01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:00.479
<v Speaker 3>thank you. I found pat out a vital ross road

1781
01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:01.000
<v Speaker 3>in my life.

1782
01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I will fort.

1783
01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:06.560
<v Speaker 3>I will forever be grateful for his advice and what

1784
01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:10.479
<v Speaker 3>it has done to recourse my life right on.

1785
01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a good dude. I've been fishing with Steve. Well,

1786
01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:18.000
<v Speaker 2>he's a part. He's a part of that Keep the

1787
01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Blaze Live coaching squad. Yeah.

1788
01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:23.520
<v Speaker 3>So for people who might be like looking for something

1789
01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.199
<v Speaker 3>outside like a normal like you know, from somebody who's

1790
01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:30.520
<v Speaker 3>really been there and I don't mean there by specialists've

1791
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:33.720
<v Speaker 3>been there and and like has faked it till they

1792
01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:34.039
<v Speaker 3>made it.

1793
01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell us again where your coat is on?

1794
01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Patreon yep, and the name it's called the pat Mac.

1795
01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Keep the Blaze alive, guys, squad, check that out. Alejandro,

1796
01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:51.239
<v Speaker 2>thank you being a fellow metal head. What bands are

1797
01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.159
<v Speaker 2>you really digging right now? Are there any up and

1798
01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:56.319
<v Speaker 2>coming ones that you think people should give a listen to.

1799
01:42:57.439 --> 01:43:01.479
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, let me think about this. Oh great, dude,

1800
01:43:01.560 --> 01:43:05.880
<v Speaker 2>thank you for that. So I just started because they're

1801
01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:09.000
<v Speaker 2>coming out with new album, Born of Osiris. I'm gonna

1802
01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:12.119
<v Speaker 2>go obscure here. I'm not gonna go. You know. Another

1803
01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:14.920
<v Speaker 2>one that I dig is Plague Years. I hope they

1804
01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:16.720
<v Speaker 2>do so. I hope they hope they do so. I

1805
01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:19.960
<v Speaker 2>hope they get some traction. Man. I just they're really

1806
01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:25.479
<v Speaker 2>really dark and sludgie, you know, sludgie and dark because

1807
01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't like it. I don't like it super fast

1808
01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and just NonStop double bass. I like, you know, sludgy

1809
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:37.520
<v Speaker 2>and dark and you know, like cobblestone streets and and

1810
01:43:37.720 --> 01:43:41.720
<v Speaker 2>rusty metal and like a gong. If I had a

1811
01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:43.760
<v Speaker 2>metal band, I'd have a big freak. I'd have an

1812
01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:44.720
<v Speaker 2>anvil and.

1813
01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Bats on the belfry.

1814
01:43:48.479 --> 01:43:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, let me see Plague Years said, Uh uh hmmm, dude,

1815
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:01.880
<v Speaker 2>you put I wish I could have studied that one,

1816
01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:04.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, because I would have had a laundry list.

1817
01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:07.239
<v Speaker 3>But well, I'll tell you when you get a chance

1818
01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:10.960
<v Speaker 3>if you want, like the comments below the video, you know,

1819
01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:12.640
<v Speaker 3>sometime in the next couple of days, if you want

1820
01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:14.840
<v Speaker 3>to leave that list, I'm sure.

1821
01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we have a lot of people love that.

1822
01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:19.439
<v Speaker 2>Can you share?

1823
01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Leon Jones? Can you share your workout playlist?

1824
01:44:22.840 --> 01:44:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Basic dude stuff?

1825
01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:28.279
<v Speaker 2>That's motherfucker next time somebody asked me that, I swear

1826
01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>to God. Yeah, I put it on every one in

1827
01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:36.439
<v Speaker 2>my posts in the past. You know what, I built

1828
01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:42.159
<v Speaker 2>that playlist during coronacasion. I built that because everybody wanted

1829
01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>me to build a playlist. So you know what I

1830
01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:48.159
<v Speaker 2>do every post, every single post, I put it in there.

1831
01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:50.640
<v Speaker 2>You know why people don't see it because they don't

1832
01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:55.279
<v Speaker 2>tap on dot dot dot more so, you Instagrammers, not

1833
01:44:55.479 --> 01:44:59.359
<v Speaker 2>dot dot more That's where the notes are dot dot

1834
01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:02.600
<v Speaker 2>dot more so. No, I'm not gonna share it right here.

1835
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:05.720
<v Speaker 2>You do know, I get about one hundred more requests

1836
01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:08.960
<v Speaker 2>for this now, like throughout that's right, yeah, because now

1837
01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>they're getting to go the don't want to poke the bear. Yeah, exactly.

1838
01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:15.000
<v Speaker 2>People have found that I'm gonna tell them that. I'm

1839
01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:19.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna tell them. So it's Metal Mac Attack Spotify playlist

1840
01:45:20.199 --> 01:45:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Metal Macmac Attack. Uh.

1841
01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:25.319
<v Speaker 3>And last question, I believe unless we have anything new.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh we do have one more? Okay, so two more Jackson,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you. Top five high Speed l e Oh guys

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<v Speaker 3>or units you've trained with?

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa uh, let me see. Let me think about this.

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01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I think, wow, that damn man h ship. You put

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<v Speaker 2>me on the spot because see a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember the county. So I work with

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<v Speaker 2>these guys in Wisconsin, and I believe it's Dane County.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Shafes Department. Dude. They were always freaking badass,

1851
01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:02.520
<v Speaker 2>really good shooters and fit dudes and just fun as hell.

1852
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my favorite my favorite ls are fed are the

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<v Speaker 2>Bortach Bor Tachu Border Patrol guys. Yeah yeah, it's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah dig the up Secret Service Cat Team. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that's they're still Leo's, but it's federal, right because I

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<v Speaker 2>worked with them a bunch. Oh, I see here, man,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many of them in Texas. You know, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just say Texas in general because there's so many whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to Houston, Austin, Dallas, I mean, uh, wherever

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<v Speaker 2>it is. There's just tons of them, tons of teams.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. North Carolina's got a bunch. I work with

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<v Speaker 2>them here. Not yeah, that one there, I would need

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<v Speaker 2>to I would need time for that one too. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>but I but I did mentioned a couple. Yeah, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bordta guys who who got out in Uvalde?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe eventually eventually, yes, yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, the ones

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<v Speaker 5>who actually yeah, and then I think last question here

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<v Speaker 5>is from Jamison Price.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. Pat.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it true that the unit I'm not gonna is

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<v Speaker 3>organized in a way where operators can be redesigned, for instance,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance, as a contractor GS, federal employee, military civilian,

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<v Speaker 3>or as mission ductates. Are you able to elaborate? That's

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<v Speaker 3>probably like more into.

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<v Speaker 2>The weeds of Yeah, that that's that is definitely in

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<v Speaker 2>the weeds, right yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, I appreciate the question,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it's in the weeds. And man, yeah that

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<v Speaker 2>that how about how about this? How about this? To

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<v Speaker 2>some degree? How about that fair enough? Yeah? And I

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01:47:57.680 --> 01:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>apologize the dude for that, but yeah, yeah, and and

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's it. Do we have any questions from Patreon?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we have one? We have one?

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<v Speaker 1>D keep pull it up real quick, so, uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have it on mind either. Sorry, pat We're not prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>Alright, no worries.

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<v Speaker 1>So one more time the the website or the Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>to find it. It's pat mac keep the Blaze alive.

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<v Speaker 1>They find your coaching service there, yep, coaching squad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>coaching squad. I thinks we'll be down in the description.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you get on the on the Patreon Yeah, on

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<v Speaker 1>the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have it up here.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's off of my link tree on my instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you everything's on you know, on my instagram, my

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<v Speaker 2>my t max oh T M A C yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>n C D M A C y s I n

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<v Speaker 2>C cool man And uh this Friday, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>regular episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back. We have ten coming up who was

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<v Speaker 1>a psychologist that worked for the US government, including some

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<v Speaker 1>of the Three Letter agencies, doing profiles on like foreign

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01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:09.079
<v Speaker 1>world leaders and stuff like that. So he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a fun interview coming up Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on I don't know how to find it though. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get on that.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a catastrophe going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we uh a couple of gus. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't see any questions here.

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<v Speaker 2>Who yeah, yeah, did you find a d all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, there're one guy saying Okay, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Despite the unit being and other Tier one

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<v Speaker 1>units being flushed with money and support, mental health specifically

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<v Speaker 1>suicides continues to be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Why.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think we kind of mentioned a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this, like throughout the entire interview, but any closing

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on like perhaps why suicide is an issue even

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<v Speaker 1>in like well supported special ops units.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when I said that you guys who are having issues,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're if they're if they're crying for help, they

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<v Speaker 2>probably don't they're hiding it, and you have to assume.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we have to assume more, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>I just in the past, in the past two months,

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<v Speaker 2>I've lost two.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I'm sorry, two buds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and and and and and and and it's mine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, no, no, not this guy. There's no way.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way, you know, there's no way, there's no way. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think we have to assume and not everybody. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what it's it's overdone. A lot of it's overdone, man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I got mental issues, are PTSD. A lot of that's

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<v Speaker 2>overfreaking done. A lot of it is doesn't exist. Hell yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a real thing. But more more so, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that. It's that separation, you know, it's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh separated from leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, it's leaving something where you that where you

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01:51:06.279 --> 01:51:11.279
<v Speaker 2>had true passion, true love. You know, you had a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with people that is intimate on so many different levels.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not talking freaking you know, sex, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>just very intimate relationship with other human beings. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you lose that and then you know, yeah, you start spiraling, spiraling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Pat, thank you so much for taking some time

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<v Speaker 1>of you Tuesday evening. I mean, I think you told

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<v Speaker 1>us that you said earlier. This is the second podcast

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<v Speaker 1>you did today, So man, I appreciate yeah, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you going, uh, you know, tuning in and doing this

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<v Speaker 1>with us tonight. And you know, we'd wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>you on for a long time, so I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>awesome to finally do it. If there's anything we can do,

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<v Speaker 1>hit us up anytime, please, final thoughts, anything I failed

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<v Speaker 1>to cover at all, that you that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I want to thank you guys, because I do

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of podcasts. He's a great hosts and just

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<v Speaker 2>you made me feel very welcome and your questions were

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01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:07.520
<v Speaker 2>great too, So yeah, great because it takes you because

1961
01:52:07.960 --> 01:52:10.279
<v Speaker 2>some guys don't know how to do this shit and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Want it to be fun too. We want you to

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<v Speaker 1>have your time. Yep, thank you everybody who tuned in

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<v Speaker 1>watch this again. Thanks Pat, and we will see all

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<v Speaker 1>you guys on Friday.