WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:15.679 Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha Fay. 2 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:17.839 And I'm Gabwi and we're. 3 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:21.359 So excited to introduce to you a brand new guest, 4 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:23.839 and we're going to dive into all sorts of things 5 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:28.359 about being psychic and working as an intuitive and introduce 6 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:30.719 you to a new podcast. So let me tell you 7 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.679 about our guest. Hilly b is a psychic medium and 8 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:38.280 host of Opening the Door podcast. In her psychic medium shipwork, 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.560 she loves to bring through spirit guides and loved ones 10 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:45.880 who have crossed over to deliver meaningful messages. Heilly invites 11 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:48.840 all who are ready to start their spiritual journey with 12 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:52.719 joy and without fear. Through her work on her podcast, 13 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.560 she believes that if everyone were more connected to their intuition, 14 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:00.560 the world would be a more vibrant place. I completely 15 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.679 agree with that too. Welcome to the show. 16 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:04.640 Thank you so much. 17 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:08.000 I am so so honored to be here Psychic Teachers 18 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:11.599 of the podcast was honestly such an integral part in 19 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:15.719 my journey, so to be here chatting with the both 20 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:17.280 of you is such an honor. 21 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.439 Thanks Filey, and I have to tell you folks who 22 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.439 are listening that Haley has had us on her podcast, 23 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.519 and I was a real nervous show, it really was, 24 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.799 but it was great. Hailey. You're a wonderful interviewer. I 25 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.040 learned a lot. It was a great experience. So thank 26 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:33.319 you so much for having us on your show. Yeah. 27 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.799 I had so much fun in each of your separate 28 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:39.920 interviews you've been on at different times, and I just 29 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:42.239 had so much fun talking to both of you and 30 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.879 just getting that time and also having other people being 31 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:46.359 able to. 32 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:47.200 Hear that as well. 33 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:49.840 Samantha on yours, I think we talked about I think 34 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.400 I asked you so many like big universe questions like 35 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:54.120 what do you think about? 36 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.799 Like we did really these like big overarching questions. 37 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:58.040 What is the meaning of time? 38 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:00.959 Yeah, pretty much. I was just like what do you think? 39 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.319 And deb for you. I think I just. 40 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:06.400 Had such a fun time learning more deeply about your 41 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.919 story and how you got to where you are and 42 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:10.360 all that wonderful stuff. 43 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.719 Thanks, Bailey, So tell us about you, tell us how 44 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:15.520 you got into this world. 45 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.919 Okay, So I definitely grew up in a house that 46 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:22.639 had a lot of spirit activity. Whether looking back on it, 47 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:25.479 I definitely had no clue kind of what was going on. 48 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:29.000 One of my earliest spirit encounters that I remember. We 49 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:31.319 lived in a rancher or my parents still live there. 50 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.400 It's a big, long kind of rancher house, and so 51 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:35.919 all of our bedrooms are just in like a line, 52 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:40.280 you know how ranchers are, So it's a line long hallway, 53 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.400 and my parents' bedroom was the first door it was open. 54 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.039 I knew nobody was in there, and I walked by. 55 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:48.599 I think I might have been five or six at 56 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.360 this time, and out of the corner of my eye, 57 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:52.680 I just saw this like grainy. 58 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.960 I knew she was a woman, this. 59 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.520 Kind of grainy figure sitting at the end of their bed, 60 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.560 and I remember thinking that's not possible, well, because I 61 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:01.479 know nobody's in there. 62 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:04.360 So I backed up. I looked in the door again 63 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:06.919 and there was no one there. And I didn't really 64 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.199 think much of it. I just moved on with my 65 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:10.080 day basically. 66 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:14.159 But I had a lot of spirit experiences and encounters 67 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.919 in that house, and that kind of I think just 68 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:20.439 maybe I was already open to it because I was 69 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:21.919 young and just. 70 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.639 Part of my personality. Maybe it's part of my birth chart. 71 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.879 I don't know. So I experienced all of that and 72 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:30.280 it ebbed and flowed a little bit. 73 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.520 I had some still interesting experiences in high school in 74 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.560 that house. I went to college, and I felt like 75 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.520 I was really kind of like psychically turned on in 76 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.759 college for I don't know, it just kind of rolled 77 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:43.159 that way. 78 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.919 I was like the witchy one in the friend group. 79 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.759 I was interpreting people's dreams for fun and sensing spirit 80 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.439 everywhere and all this stuff. 81 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:53.919 But it still took me a. 82 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.759 While to accept that maybe I was a psychic medium, 83 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.159 or like I just had this extra ability or whatever 84 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.800 you want to call it. So I finally, you know, 85 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.479 I'm a few was a few years into the workforce, 86 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:10.240 and I finally thought, I have to figure this out. 87 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.840 I have to figure this out because I just had 88 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.079 this and maybe this was. 89 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.120 A psychic moment of some sort. 90 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.879 But I had this feeling that if I didn't pursue 91 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:29.040 some form of understanding, like my psychic or my medium 92 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.839 to my spirit connection, that I would I basically saw 93 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.120 myself when I was like forty five and felt so 94 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:40.680 much regret for not doing anything about that. 95 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.680 So I found podcasts, I found psychic. 96 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:49.480 Teachers and started listening and just started reading books and 97 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.079 listening and trying stuff out myself, and that's. 98 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:53.120 How it happened for me. 99 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.560 Well, you could name one book that was the primary 100 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:59.240 book that spurred you forward. What was that book? 101 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.480 I found the book The Gift by Echo Bodine to 102 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.279 be really a really helpful one. 103 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:08.959 It's just such a great primer. 104 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:13.120 I feel like for understanding general understanding of like the 105 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.399 Clayre's and maybe how spirit works and. 106 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:15.720 All of that. 107 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.360 I also read early in my journey I read Meet 108 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:21.800 Your Soul by Elisa Romeo. 109 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:23.360 Not sure if you're familiar with. 110 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.079 That one, and that one though I know I'm not 111 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:28.920 sure like if every practice really stuck with me. I 112 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.920 think it was just helpful to start understanding how spirit worked. 113 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:34.759 So those were like kind of one of my kind 114 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:39.160 of first two books that really, you know, helps me understand. 115 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:42.439 But honestly, I'm a listener really, so especially like I 116 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:47.319 was just listening to podcasts to and from work, I 117 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:52.920 was like really consuming a lot of content, especially ps 118 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.800 I think teachers content, and that's what really I would say, 119 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.199 really really helps me start putting the pieces together or 120 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.560 like asking asking questions also, which I think is a 121 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:04.720 big part of this work too. 122 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:09.319 And also I think listening to podcasts. Obviously the books help, 123 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.959 but listening to podcasts reminds you that you're not alone. 124 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:12.759 You know. 125 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.360 When I started out, we didn't have a podcast, but 126 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.639 I would read whenever I could, and then late at night, 127 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.480 after the kids went to bed, I'd go upstairs and 128 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:25.399 I would put Haye House Radio on my computers. So 129 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.720 long ago it was Yeah, I remember just listening to 130 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.959 all the people calling in and the host and thinking, Wow, 131 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.920 other people have had those experiences too, and so it 132 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.800 normalized a lot of what I thought was weird for 133 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.560 me and made me feel more confident and comfortable to 134 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:47.240 actually show up for the in person classes and you know, 135 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:50.319 to try this, but I just think it's scary. It's 136 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:53.000 scary every step of the way. And that's why I 137 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:56.240 think it's good to have resources like this and opening 138 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:59.800 the doors. What was the first time you did a 139 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.800 professional reading, because that's really different from being in college, 140 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:07.639 and like, hey, I'll pull some cards for you. Yeah, yeah, 141 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:08.959 great question. 142 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.240 And I will say, like, kind of what you said 143 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:14.480 about not feeling alone. That's one of the main reasons 144 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.399 that I started opening the door was because I had 145 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.959 a lot of fear in what I was explaining somehow 146 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.519 left out of that hole where how I got to 147 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.360 hear is I did have a lot of fear, like 148 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:25.920 I didn't want to go to a psychic because I 149 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:27.439 was afraid they were going to be like, no, you're 150 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:29.399 just crazy, Like you know, you're not psychic, You're just 151 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.360 off your rocker, you know. So I had this fear, 152 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:35.560 and one of the reasons I started opening the door 153 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.800 was because I wanted people to. 154 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:43.920 Not do not feel alone. But yeah, so first professional reading, 155 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.560 I will say I practiced for I think about a 156 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:50.759 year and a half to two years before I did 157 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:53.399 any sort of paid reading. 158 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:56.560 And so I think that helped me get so comfortable 159 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:59.360 when it came the time somebody was going to actually 160 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.680 pay me to do that. I remember I was getting 161 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.199 a lot of referrals from friends of friends and stuff, 162 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.839 and a lot of it actually almost everything I do, 163 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:12.800 especially because I really started kicking up my development during 164 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.680 the pandemic time, so it's a lot of online stuff. 165 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:19.120 A lot of what I do is through zoom. So 166 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.560 I was like just zooming with people a few nights 167 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:24.720 a week doing practice readings and stuff. 168 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.839 And I had started the podcast. 169 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:32.799 I was about a year into the podcast, and Anthony 170 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:34.600 actually was a huge kind of catalyst. 171 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:36.080 He was like, you have to open your books and 172 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.559 start really really doing this. 173 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.159 And I was like okay, and I lagged on it 174 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.960 a little bit, and obviously I had all those imposter 175 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:48.559 syndrome type things, and I finally opened my books people booked. Gosh, 176 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:53.440 I'm having trouble remembering, like, what was my first paid reading. 177 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:55.120 I think I was really sweaty. 178 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:59.120 I think, if I remember correctly, I went through my 179 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:05.039 pros of what I do to connect in and went 180 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:06.679 for it. But yeah, the biggest thing I remember is 181 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:08.440 being like really sweaty and nervous. 182 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.879 Hayley, you describe yourself as a psychic medium. Do you 183 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.720 differentiate between psychic ability and mediumship? 184 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.519 Yeah, definitely so for me, the psychic stuff is I'm 185 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.919 I'm clicking into your energy the person sitting in front 186 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.120 of me. I'm taking a peek into your aura, your 187 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:33.200 energy fields and pulling things out of there. Mediumship for 188 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.799 me is when I'm connecting with loved ones on the 189 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.039 other side to bring you messages. Even guide work, I 190 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.600 think is more on the side of mediumship, just because 191 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.320 you're really tapping into an energy outside of the person. 192 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.120 Sitting in front of you. So anything that I'm doing. 193 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:51.600 If I'm connecting with a guide or a loved one, 194 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.039 or maybe even your higher self on the other side, 195 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.440 I think of that as mediumship, and then psychic would 196 00:09:56.440 --> 00:10:00.879 be like, maybe somebody is considering a path that they 197 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:02.840 want to take, their seating a fork in the road, 198 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.320 and we can look into your energy and see how 199 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.840 your energy feels about either of those things. But yeah, 200 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.879 psychic stuff is connecting in with that person in front 201 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:13.279 of me. 202 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:15.440 Mediumship connecting up. 203 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:17.960 And through for the person sitting in front of me. 204 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:20.879 I bet that's one of the most frequently they asked questions. 205 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.320 We get people just want call that stuff together and 206 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:25.919 it's not in our opinion either. So I'm scurence to 207 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:27.480 hear your perspective. 208 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:31.279 And I try to also be really during a reading. 209 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:33.600 If I'm connecting with a loved one or a guide 210 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:38.360 and I can tell that I've dropped into something more 211 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.919 psychic where I'm just pulling off their energy, I do 212 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.399 try to say to them this is me talk coming 213 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:47.559 through psychic or talking to you psychically now instead of 214 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:49.960 through a guide, because I think you can kind of 215 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.840 tell a difference when you drop into that type of energy. 216 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.559 Sometimes it's hard to differentiate a little bit if you're 217 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:58.960 really in a flow. But I feel like I can 218 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:02.639 tell usually when something is coming being brought to me 219 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:04.519 from their energy or is. 220 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:06.679 Coming from a guide or a loved one. 221 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:08.279 Yeah, gotcha. 222 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:12.240 I always wonder about that. If I'm connecting with their guide, 223 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:16.159 I'm okay differentiating it's want to connect with their people. 224 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.960 On the other side, then I'm like, well, wait a minute. 225 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:21.679 If I'm getting information that you know, she's going to 226 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.480 get a promotion by April from her dad, is that 227 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:27.080 psychic or medium shift to me? 228 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:27.360 You know? 229 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:31.120 So I feel like it can be conflicting and confusing, 230 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.639 but you're right. Typically you can feel the energy shift 231 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:38.519 where it's more hard to heart with psychic and the 232 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:42.360 mediumship is just higher vibration, is I think the best 233 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:43.360 way to describe it. 234 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:44.279 Yeah. 235 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:49.000 So, what do you think is the hardest thing about 236 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.159 doing readings on zoom and the easiest thing? Do you 237 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.519 think there's a difference, because I've heard from people who 238 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:59.399 are doing full time readings now who still encounter people 239 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:03.440 who believe you can't do an authentic reading online. 240 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:08.080 How do you dispel that? I think for me, it's 241 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:12.440 just been the experience of it, even practicing in classes. 242 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:15.600 I think one of the things that really helped I 243 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:17.159 don't know if I want to use a word proof, 244 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:21.159 but helped me understand it was practicing in classes with 245 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.840 people across the country from me, and we're able to 246 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:27.679 just sit on the phone or even do it asynchronously 247 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:32.320 and still able to hit on things that really resonated 248 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.600 for them. And I think as you get further along 249 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:41.120 in this work, energy just takes on a different meaning, 250 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:44.159 or it takes on like you're able to understand that energy, 251 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:46.840 Like the power of eight is something that fascinates me 252 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.559 so much, and I think is a really good example 253 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:53.679 of this. Sending energy to someone across the whole ocean 254 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:57.279 or across the country or something like that, is can 255 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:00.919 be real and tangible and can show different in their 256 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.879 energy the person you're sending it to. So I think 257 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.360 the experiences that I had, like I remember reading doing 258 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:10.919 a practice reading it in a class and it was 259 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:13.559 asynchronous and I was kind of just like typing over 260 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:17.360 email what I was getting and a very specific like 261 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:22.480 military jacket had come up, and the person emailed me 262 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.080 back and was like, yeah, that's a jacket my father owned. 263 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.440 He's passed now and I lost it for a while 264 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:29.759 and I just found. 265 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:34.320 The jacket, and I think those types of things were like, yeah, 266 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.279 it does it, just like space and time are not 267 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:40.879 maybe what maybe we experienced them a certain way, but 268 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.360 there's a lot more going on there. And I think 269 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.639 that's one of the most fascinating things that I would 270 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.840 love to keep exploring in this work, because who knows 271 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:51.559 how that works. 272 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.399 I mean, there's so so much that goes into that. 273 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:57.240 But I understand. 274 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:59.919 People's maybe like feeling that way because when you're in 275 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.879 the presence of someone, I think we can really easily 276 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.480 sense people's vibes of vibration and all of that. I 277 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.639 actually did a reading. I think that it must have 278 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.840 been in twenty twenty three or twenty four at this point, 279 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.519 but I did a zoom reading where she never turned 280 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:18.360 her camera on at all. It was just the microphone 281 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.600 and I had my camera on and that was such 282 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:24.600 a great and she I didn't mention it. I didn't 283 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.080 ask her to turn her camera on, she didn't mention. 284 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:28.840 That her camera was off. It's just how we did 285 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.639 the reading. And I found that to. 286 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:37.360 Be a really really interesting and helpful experience in like, 287 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.799 you're never at that point. I'm never reading a facial 288 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:42.679 expression because the camera's not on. 289 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.039 There's nothing I can see. She might be rolling her 290 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.080 eyes on the other side. I have got no clue. 291 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:50.039 I just have to keep going and really trust spirit. 292 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:51.720 And I think that one went pretty well. 293 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.879 So yeah, there's something pure about that. 294 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:55.240 You know. 295 00:14:55.360 --> 00:15:00.159 That's why my preference still is a phone reading that's 296 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.679 in person, because I can't make those preconceived notions. You know, 297 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:08.240 if someone comes in and they have a wedding ring 298 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:12.200 hanging around a chain, I'm going to make subconsciously or 299 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.519 consciously I'm going to make an inference about that. I 300 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:19.320 just love the purity of just your voice in my voice, 301 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:20.519 linking in together. 302 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.679 There was a time when phone reading, well, there was 303 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.159 face to face, and then phone readings were all we had. 304 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.480 We didn't have this stuff right. And I live in 305 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.960 this love hate relationship with technology, the whole thing with 306 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.759 me in technology. And when I remind myself that everything 307 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:44.360 is energy, that's all there is, I go, oh, bless 308 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:47.360 this computer with its very own little crystal or its keyboard. 309 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:51.399 When I started teaching on Zoom, I went, oh, my god, 310 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:53.799 how will I ever because I like to look you 311 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.000 in the eye if I'm teaching, I want to see 312 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:57.919 your eyes and in zoom. Of course with the big 313 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.720 group who we can always do that. But ended up 314 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.159 being a gift in so many ways, Like you said, 315 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:05.559 to connect us with people. I had folks who take 316 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:07.679 my classes from your pay in other countries. I mean, 317 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:08.320 it's just great. 318 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.759 Well, here's what I say. If you're coming to me 319 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.480 because you believe I can lift and raise my vibrations 320 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:17.879 to meet with a diseased person on the other side, 321 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:20.639 but you don't believe that I can connect with your 322 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:24.639 energy over zoom. 323 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.279 Right, that's such a good point. 324 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:29.879 That is such a good point, Like where's the point 325 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.919 of disbelief? You can believe in this other side? And 326 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.039 obviously we all do here and everybody listening probably does too. 327 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:40.240 Yeah, why not zoom? Why can't Why can't we? Yeah? 328 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.159 When I started doing readings, I remember sitting in my 329 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.879 office and decorated. I was so happy, and I was like, 330 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.080 this is the best thing in the entire world. And 331 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:55.240 it is, and it was, But I've learned so much. 332 00:16:55.279 --> 00:17:00.159 I didn't want to learn about people doing readings in 333 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.399 ways that I could not have learned from just teaching 334 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.559 in the classroom or working in an office. And I 335 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:11.319 found that illuminating and difficult as well. And what I 336 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.079 mean by that is clients would come to me and 337 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:21.480 they wouldn't really want insight or even direction or help, 338 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.880 or they wanted me to tell them what to do. 339 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:27.799 That was really hard for me. Some of them wanted 340 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.680 me to go against what I think is just a 341 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:35.400 natural code of ethics and peek into their boyfriend's energy 342 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:37.720 or their girlfriend's energy, or their partners. 343 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:38.839 I don't know. 344 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.720 I got disheartened at some points, and I'm just wondering 345 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:43.119 if you went through that as well. 346 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:48.119 Yes, I definitely struggle with or have struggled and probably 347 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.359 will into the future of people. 348 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:52.359 Or they really want to. 349 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.200 Know a specific timeline when will this happen? 350 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:57.680 What month? When will this be. 351 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.480 Worked out in my life? And I find that difficult. 352 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:04.720 I do find love readings a little difficult as well, 353 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.319 especially if it's like when will this person love me? 354 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:10.559 And I think my ego or like my personality is 355 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:11.599 like who cares? 356 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:12.640 Just who cares? 357 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:15.960 That's not always to ask you a question, don't you 358 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.480 have the answer right yes, or like you said, I 359 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:21.160 just want to know exactly what to do. 360 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:24.119 And what I'm more interested in the way that I 361 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.079 like to read for people is presenting you the paths 362 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.200 and we can look into if you make this decision, 363 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.480 how will that feel? What will the energy look like 364 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:35.720 of that decision? If you make this decision, how will 365 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.000 that feel? What will the energy look like. I'm much 366 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.839 more interested in helping guide people than just like tell 367 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.000 them exactly what to do. And yeah, I think everybody 368 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.200 who does this work is probably going to have people 369 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.240 who book because they. 370 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.400 Don't want to go see their therapists or they don't. 371 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.200 Have one, and they just need to like talk to 372 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.519 somebody and maybe get some insights. So like when I 373 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.359 have readings like that where the person really wants to 374 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:05.880 harp on some issues and like, go ahead, do that, 375 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.119 what I try to do is open my energy enough 376 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.880 where what they're saying can kind of be channeled up 377 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.799 into from their guides or into this kind of psychic space, 378 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.480 and then I kind of start to try to just 379 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:24.559 kind of read on what they're saying, because some people 380 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:27.440 will talk for almost the whole time, you know, and 381 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.400 so I try to read on what they're saying and introjectileen, 382 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:32.440 I can Okay, this is what that energy feels like. 383 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.119 This is what that energy feels like. But yes, I 384 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.039 will say I'm really interested. 385 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:41.119 In reading for people who like to ask big, big 386 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:45.079 questions or talk about maybe like their purpose or their 387 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:50.279 paths and help guide instead of tell I guess if 388 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:50.960 that makes sense. 389 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.920 Yeah, that's a really good description of how a reading 390 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:57.519 should look. Is where it's showing you options and different 391 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:01.720 paths you can take. And those questions are really hard. 392 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:05.319 When is this going to happen? Well, if we're showing 393 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:08.279 you that you have this block that you have to 394 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:10.720 work on, and this challenge that you have to overcome, 395 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:12.880 and this past hurt that you have to release before 396 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.119 you can manifest love, I can't tell you that's going 397 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:19.359 to be may second, because I don't know when you're 398 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:23.079 going to work out those blocks to love. And so yeah, 399 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:26.359 those questions can be frustrating, and that's where I think 400 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.359 sometimes getting a reading is a teachable moment as well, 401 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.440