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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Jeff Johnson from a film by

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podcast and you are listening to the wildly popular Surely

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you Can't Be Serious podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to this Surely you Can't

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Be Serious podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. I am here today

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to tell you a tragic tale of a young black

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orphan who has taken advantage of by a rich white man,

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only to be crucified in the public and everyone sided

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with the rich white guy. What the heck? And the

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poor hero dies penniless and alone, far far too young.

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It is a tragedy talking about today the definition of

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a tragedy. But before we go there, I got a

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joke for you. Ready, Yes, you got to hear this

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whole one out right, so we know how hot it

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is here in Oklahoma. And so I looked at my

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phone and it had this forecast for rain and I

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was like, Siri, surely it's not going to rain today.

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And Siri goes, it is going to rain today, and

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don't call me Shirley, and I was like, what the heck?

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And then I looked and my phone was in airplane mode.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's pretty good, okay, d So We

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got a new executive producer on this particular podcast. He

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goes by the name Z. I don't know his first name,

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but his last name I think is Zastro.

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Speaker 2: That is a cool Z last name.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: If I had that net last name, I would go

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by Z as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, welcome aboard Z. It is good to have

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novelty songs, and we've done some kind of cool, crazy

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episodes in the last few days that if you want

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Go over to Patreon, sign up follow Surely you can't

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Speaker 2: And if you do decide to join and you start

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listening to these episodes and you're like this sucks that

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month that whatever you sign up for, we will pay

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you back for that month. And wish you well along

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Speaker 1: We think some of our best stuff is over there

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Speaker 2: Come check us out. Yeah we have five bucks. Yeah,

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fantastic family of folks. So now onto our episode. This

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is a new series that we're starting, Okay, and we've

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decided to call this one quote unquote the band Are

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they worth the hate? So for this episode, we're talking

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about Millie Vanillion. Are they were the hate? Probably in

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the future where you're going to hit bands like Creed,

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are they worth the hate? Nickelback? Are they worth the hate?

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I mean, you never know what's going to happen over

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the years, and we're definitely gonna talk about that on

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this episode. But I can remember as when I was

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a kid that Barry Manilo was like the ultimate joke

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of a musician, right Like it was like everybody like

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if they wanted to make fun of your song, and

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you were like, sounds like Barry Manilo. My kids love

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Barry Manilo. They love Copa Cabana, they love Mandy, they

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love all of those songs because it turns out they're

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good songs. Just that sometimes people get hate, bands get hate,

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and maybe there's a good reason, and maybe there's not.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to dive into it. Because I'm a

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song guy. I'm not really an artist guy. So if

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the song stands on its own, I tend to kind

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of celebrate that song. And I am proud to celebrate

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some of these songs from the summer of eighty nine.

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This was one of the biggest selling albums of nineteen

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eighty nine, and the players in this are very interesting.

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We got to decide who takes the blame on this.

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Is it Rob and Fab is it Frank Farrion? Is

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it the record producers? Are we gonna blame the rain?

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We've got to figure out who to place the blame on.

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And I have my opinions and hope that you guys

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will listen with open hearts and ears to hear what

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we have to say on this. All right, D So

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we're going to go track by track today through the

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Girl You Know It's True album, which was released in

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America in March of nineteen eighty nine. The interesting thing

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there was a previous album that they released only in

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of got them going. But they decided when they were

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coming to America, the record companies over here, the record

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producers over here, decided that album is not strong enough

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for America, and so they kind of scrambled it up,

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added some songs, and made it sort of its own

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new debut album just for America.

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Speaker 2: Right. And I mean, when we're talking American record label,

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we're talking about Clive Davis here. I mean, we're not

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talking about small American label. We are talking about the

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freaking man, big.

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Speaker 1: Dogs in this conversation today.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are a few record producers who get

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their name mentioned specifically in an Aerosmith song, and Clive

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Davis is one of them. I'm Gonna make You a Star.

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that we were going to see in this episode as well.

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Speaker 1: All Right, so before we dive into the stories on

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this album, I just want to give you a quick

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overview of Girl Your Notes True.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: That album was released March ninth of nineteen eighty nine.

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It goes six times platinum, forty one weeks in the

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top ten, sells eight million copies worldwide. It's number one

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in the US for seven weeks, and it's not an

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exaggeration to say this is one of the biggest debut

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albums of all.

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Speaker 2: Time, without question. I remember these guys exploding onto the scene,

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and they were everywhere you look.

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Speaker 1: They were everywhere. So I've got a funny story. I'm

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gonna throw deaf Dave under the bus here for a second. Okay,

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Dave and I we like to talk Casey's Top forty.

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He knows a lot about Case's Top forty, and so

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I threw him this question a few weeks ago without

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him having the knowledge that we're going to cover Milli

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Vanilli this week. So I said, Dave, all right, I've

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got a question for you. If you took all of

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the singles from a band or an artist, and you

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ranked them with one being the highest total, right, you

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can reach number one. I said, with a minimum of

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five singles, who do you think has the cumulative lowest

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score possible? And he thought for a minute. He said, Okay,

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I've given this some thought. He goes, this is somebody

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that came out of nowhere, came in like a shooting star,

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burned brightly, and then something caused them to go away quickly.

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I'm like, he's got it. He's absolutely got to figure

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it out. Yeah, and he goes Nirvana. Well that's not

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that's not a bad comparison. No, it's not. And it

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follows all that criteria. But here's the deal. Okay, Milli

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Vanilli had five singles. They had a number two hit,

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three number ones, and a number four. Five total singles,

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their average cumulative ranking on the Hot one hundred is

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one point eight.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Probably few bands in the world like I mean, especially

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if you consider how many songs they released in total.

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three albums, the odds start diving, right.

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Speaker 1: We looked at the Beatles, we looked at Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 2: It's not even close. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: They might be the top of the heap.

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Speaker 2: It could be, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the first song on the album is the number

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two hit girl.

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Speaker 4: You know it's true, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, d I don't care who you are. That's a

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great pop song, right there. I am dead serious. That

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is a great that's a hit right there.

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Speaker 2: Boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen. Whenever we started talking

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about this episode, I was the one dragging my feet

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a little bit and then after doing some research, I

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was like, Okay, this is actually a pretty good story

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that we need to tell. And then once I really

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dove into it, I'm like, this is a story that

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needs to be told for sure.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: But then Jason started talking about the worth of their

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songs and how good they were, and I was like, whoa,

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whoa wa, whoa whoa.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's pop Candy Goo and.

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Speaker 1: He's Pop Candy Goo. But you can't reach the heights

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that they reached without good.

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Speaker 2: Pop songs, I know. But then I pointed out the

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same thing is true for New Kids on the Block,

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which you have a resounding hatred for. But it's literally

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the same formula.

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Speaker 3: You know, it is.

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Speaker 1: The same format.

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Speaker 2: And I told you the reason that you hate New

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Kids on the Block and love Billy Vanilly is because

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you saw the New Kids on the Block is a

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bunch of short, somewhat twelve year old yeah guys like yourself.

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a guy up in high school. And then you look

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at Milli Vanilli and you're like, I will never be

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a tall, model esque dreadlocked black man.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: So that's why you love Millie Vanilli even though they're

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making the same music as New Kids on the Boy.

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Speaker 1: Well, that might be fair, that might be fair. But

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I'm telling you that is a that's a hit song.

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I listen to it, I hear it. I think that's

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a hit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna blow some minds here. This song

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is a cover song.

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Speaker 1: I could not believe that.

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Speaker 2: So what do you know about the group New Marks?

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Rodney cool Rod, Holloman cool Rod, and k y Oda Yano.

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I do know that Bill Petaway was working at a

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gas station when he wrote this song. Girl, you know

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it's true.

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Speaker 2: They are from Maryland. All the rock. This is like

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when when Wayne and Garth we're in Delaware, right, Yeah,

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these these guys. It was a Baltimore band who first

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recorded this song, and nobody listened to it.

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Speaker 3: We got to hear it every time.

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Speaker 5: When you and everything you do, you understand.

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Speaker 3: Together.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that one?

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Speaker 2: It's very similar, Like it's the same bones. The guy's

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voice is even pretty similar.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't have that sparkle that Frank Farrion gave to it right.

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Speaker 2: So New Marks releases this one after they had released

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a song called Rhymes Deaf, which actually had kind of

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a little bit of success in America. This was their

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second release. It didn't do as well in America, but

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over in Germany it kind of got a following, which

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is probably where Frank Ferrian first heard the song.

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Speaker 6: Guaranteed right, Girl, Girl, Girl, you know it's true.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Bill Petaway Junior is credited with discovering

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Tony Braxton while she was singing a song at his

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gas station.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic how about that? That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So New Marks had made a little bit of

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an impact in the music world. This song reaches number

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two on April first, nineteen eighty nine. Curiously, it's kept

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out of the number one spot by Eternal Flame by

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the Bengals, which I'd love to talk about it sometime

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because rumor has it that Suzanne Hoffs recorded that song

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in the nude but it blocked rock Settes the look. Yeah,

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and so I think rox Sett's reason to be pissed

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about that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard the song set a drift on

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Memory Bliss by PM don No, let me play that

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for you real quick to see if you recognize it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's spot on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that little drum beat right there. They call it

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they use it at least three times on this album

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for Girl, and it's true.

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Speaker 2: Three different songs, yeah, three different songs. Yeah. That's their hooky,

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that's their hookie.

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Speaker 1: Ban, it's their thing.

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Speaker 2: That's Frank Farion's thing. So Frank Farrian, here's this song.

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And he thinks to himself, I can do this. I

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can make this a better song, and I can make

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it a hit. And so then all he has to

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do is he has to find people to sing it. Now,

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who is this guy, Frank Farrion. We have talked about

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him in the past. Back when we did our Top

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five of nineteen seventy eight, I told you that a

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new discovery for me was this band called bony M. Yes,

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I remember that, and you were like, Frank Ferry and

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I'm like, who's that? Yeah, And so it turns out

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that bony M who Their music is freaking awesome.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Rah Rah Rasputine.

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Speaker 2: That was my favorite song, was the right. But as

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I was listening to you know, I'm looking for these songs.

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I've got the headphones in and this one comes up

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in like a some seventy eight playlist that I tuned into,

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and I'm listening to it, and then I'm like, oh,

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this is good. And then I look at the album

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cover and I'm like, WHOA. I would not have guessed

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that this was a black guy singing the song because

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it sounds like a white guy's voice. Turns out my

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intuition was correct.

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Speaker 1: Mister Frank Ferry and himself sang on bone EM's album.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he sang rah Rah rasputine. He sang the resputant song.

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And then they hired a African American. I mean he

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was from the Caribbe and I believe dancer model to

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come and lip sync. I mean, it's the exact same

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scenario that we're talking about with Millie Vanilli ten years earlier.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's the same formula and it worked back then. Why

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would it not work again?

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Speaker 2: And here's here's why what happened to Milli Vanilly didn't

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happen to Bonim. Bonim never won a Grammy. That's it,

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and we'll get to that in a little while.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So ironically, Millie Vanilli's first hit is a Way. It's

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a song that has the word true in it, even

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though it is a complete lie.

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Speaker 1: That's true. It was a complete lie and as sort

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of poetic justice that this was the song that they

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were performing in Bristol, Connecticut on July twenty first, nineteen

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eighty nine. When it starts going girl, you know it's girl,

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you know it's girl. You know it's skips and skips, skips,

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and it outs them as lip syncing.

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Speaker 2: Right, except that some how it kind of flows under

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the radar for quite a while. I mean, you got

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literally thousands of people in the crowd. I mean I

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realized this is before social media, But how did people

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not know? I mean, this was an MTV event, I mean,

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down down, Julie Brown was there, I know, And why

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the heck wasn't somebody manning the CD player? Like, if

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you have this massive secret that this band and these

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guys are lip syncing and they're fake playing to this song,

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you gotta have somebody ready to hit stop and play

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again if the something happens to the CD.

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt. As we get into this story, I

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think what they did was marketing genius. Frank Farrion was

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a mastermind at creating an image and a song and

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a video and a movement. But what he did a

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terrible job at is protecting the secret.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He didn't want them to go. He did not

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want them to come to America. He did not want

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them to do live performances, if we can call them that.

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He didn't want that to happen. He saw the danger

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that was out there.

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Speaker 1: He was afraid they were going to quote unquote f

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it all up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we ready for song number two?

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Speaker 1: Ready for song number two?

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The song number two on the album is Baby Don't

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Forget My Number, another humongous song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, guys, the first song on the album hit

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number two. Let's see what we can do with the

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song number two.

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Speaker 1: Second single goes all the way to number one July one,

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nineteen eighty nine. We just hit the thirty fifth anniversary

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of it like a week ago now, then number one

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that week, Baby Don't Forget My Number. It blocks good

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thing by the fine young Cannibals.

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Speaker 2: They're angry.

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Speaker 1: Well, they hit number one the next week, so they're okay.

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It did block Buffalo's stance by Nina cheriotough.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and he was one of the ones that was

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up for the Grammy.

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Speaker 1: When they won, they stole a number one hit from her,

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and they stole a Grammy from her conceivably. Yeah, this

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song was written by Frank Ferry. Fuck so the real

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singers on this album is an American singer named Brad Howell.

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You have a rapper named Charles Shaw. And the interesting

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thing Charles Shaw he couldn't keep his mouth shut, so

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he got fired, and then they brought in this other

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guy named John Davis to replace him. Nobody even noticed.

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Speaker 2: These are different guys than the guys who sang on girl.

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You know it's true? Like I mean, I feel like

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I should have known better. I mean, if you just

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listen to fab talk for about thirty seconds, you gotta

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say to yourself, how does a guy who can barely

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speak English rap faster than I can. It's no joke,

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like it's it should have been patently op. I mean,

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I guess when I listened to George Michael speak, he

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doesn't sound like it sounds when he sings, and so

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maybe I thought it was a mel Tillis thing or something.

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I don't know, but I mean listening to the rap

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on this song and knowing that Fab, I mean he

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is from France. He speaks French, and I mean, give

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it up, he speaks English. I don't speak two languages, right,

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but I can tell you that if I tried to

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rap in French, you would know, you would.

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Speaker 1: Know, and not to mention the voices deeper. Rob has

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a Bavarian accent. Fab has a French accent. None of

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it matches up right, we were We took it, hook

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line and sinker.

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Speaker 2: So shall we begin the tragedy of these poor guys.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, because it really is monumentally tragic.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned the beginning of this episode a poor orphan

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black boy. He is born from this union between a

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black American serviceman and a dancer in Germany aka stripper probably, yes, probably,

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and he gets put in an orphanage. This, I mean

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orphanages still existed in the sixties in Bavaria, Germany apparently,

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and so for his first four years of his life

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he's in an orphanage. He finally gets adopted by this family,

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but because this is Germany, there are not a lot

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of other people around with skin as dark as his,

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and so his school makes would call him Kunta Kente.

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It was tragic. I mean, he has a tragic beginning,

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a tragic upbringing. But he's a guy who loves to

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perform and he loves to sing, and all he wants

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to do is go be either a dancer or a musician.

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Speaker 1: He's got these beautiful green eyes. As he grows up,

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he's got super chiseled and got a model asque body.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and so he's got some stuff to work with. Yeah.

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And then of course you've got Fabrice Morven, who everybody

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calls fab right now. He grows up in Paris, moves

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to Munich whenever he's a young man, and Rob is

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already there at this point, and Rob suddenly sees another

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black guy and it's like, Hey, what the I'm the

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black guy. I'm the token black guy in here. What

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are you doing here? Yeah? But fab is such a

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kind and gentle guy. I mean, listening to him talking interviews,

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I can see how he just he looked to Rob

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as an older brother, and Rob kind of took him

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on as a younger brother. And I think there were

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a difference of age of maybe three or four years.

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And that's the other thing. Rob's birth is questionable, whether

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he was born in sixty four or sixty five, like

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on his death certificate. Some of them said thirty two,

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some of them said thirty three. We don't know exactly

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which year he was born. But so they start hanging

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out together. They do dancing together. He's break dancing like

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they're building something. But I mean they are dirt poor.

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Speaker 1: For a while, and they sat around there like, you know, what,

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what do pop singers look like?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What can we do to make ourselves look like pop singers?

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Speaker 2: So they're looking at pictures of Share, of Madonna, of

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Michael Jackson, and there's something unique about all of those folks.

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Speaker 1: They all have long hair.

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Speaker 2: They all have great hair, and.

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Speaker 1: So they got the hair extensions and it makes them pop,

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It makes them stand out.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everybody.

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Speaker 1: The girls love the long hair.

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Speaker 2: So then they start getting jobs as back up dancers.

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Speaker 1: So they sing back up on the German version of

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Solid Gold, and I saw them backing Sabrina Seleerno.

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Speaker 2: Sabrina Salerno, Ohohnes sake, she's like Samantha Fox on steroids.

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She's smoking. Yeah, still majors according to your Instagram. My gosh,

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Jason's over here stocking her Instagram majors at fifty eight. Anyway,

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she's singing on the German version of American Bandstand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're dancing the background.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got their they start their own group. Rob

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sings and plays the bass while he's singing. I mean,

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this is this is is not as though these guys

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had nothing going for them. They've got a lot of

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great look, they've got some amount of talent, and then

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infamy happens.

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Speaker 1: So Frank Farian takes notice of them. Now, Frank Farian

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is like the German Mutt Laying. He is producer extraordinary.

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He's responsible for bonym and all these other well known

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European acts. He's big name over there. And he takes

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notice of them and says, hey, guys, I think we

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need to work on a project together. And they're like,

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Frank Farian, right of court? What where do I say?

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What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Let's like Rick Rubin calling me up and going, hey,

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I really like you and Jason's voice. Would you like

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to come and do an album with me? But we're

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not worthy. It's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: They go to meet with him, they bring out this

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record contract. Frank Varian says, here you go, guys, here's

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the record, you know, the standard Richard Famous deal. And

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they don't even read it. They're just like, whatever, dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what are you gonna They have nothing

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to lose in their minds. I mean, because I mean,

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I've been in that spot where you know, you're barely

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making rent. You know, what's the worst that can happen.

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They're gonna take away my five hundred bucks I make

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a month. I mean, that's who cares.

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Speaker 1: So they sign this contract. They also gave him like

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ten thousand Deutsche marks.

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Speaker 2: They gave him a bunch of money to go, like

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get themselves even prettier than they already were, and to

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get out of the rat hole that they were in.

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Speaker 1: So they are fired up. They're like, this is amazing.

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Frank Ferry's going to produce our album. You know, he said,

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they're going to write the songs for him. Great, when

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we're gonna perform this and they said. Months go by

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and they hear nothing.

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Speaker 2: They're just out there spending their Deutsche marks.

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Speaker 1: So Frank's girlfriend who's also his CFO, and kind of partner.

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Her name is Ingrid Segaith, Yes, and she calls him

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and she was kind of like a mother figure to

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them through this whole deal.

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Speaker 2: She I mean her nickname is Millie Milli yeah.

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Speaker 1: In that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they call it Robin Fab and they say, hey,

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come in here, Fab said, they they brought him in.

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They hit play and girl, you know it's true. Is

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coming through the speakers right with the singing, with the singing,

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with the singing, not just the music, and he's like,

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first of all, Fab was so excited. He's like, because

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I could tell this is a great song. I could

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tell this is an amazing so I couldn't believe it

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was for us. But then Rob and Frank started to

475
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,279
talk really fast in German and Fab couldn't keep up

476
00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:59,720
with that that language barrier, and it got heated, and

477
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,200
he's he's trying to be like, what's going on here now?

478
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,279
And Rob says, they don't want us to sing, and

479
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,759
Fabs like, what do you mean they don't want us

480
00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:08,480
to sing? What are we doing here? If they don't

481
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200
want us to sing? He's like, they want us to

482
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,680
lip sync. At that point, they had already signed the contract.

483
00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,599
They had already been given money, and they had been

484
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,240
given money to support them during those months. So okay,

485
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:23,519
you guys don't want to do this, you got to

486
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:27,160
pay us back. And they're like with what, I mean?

487
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 7: What? No?

488
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: Right? I mean, what do you do if you're I mean,

489
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,440
these guys are in their young twenties. They're young twenties.

490
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,079
I mean, remember what you were like in your young twenties.

491
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,720
If somebody who has age and tons of experience suddenly

492
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,359
tells you, hey, those thousands of deutsch marks that I

493
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,839
paid you, you don't have to sing, I mean, you

494
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,279
don't have to do this, but you got to give

495
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:53,000
it back. And then you're panicked, like I don't have

496
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:54,960
anything to give you, Like how am I supposed to

497
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,240
do that?

498
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: And it's not like they've got mom and dad right

499
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:00,000
there to say, hey, mom and dad, I got screwed

500
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:01,039
in this deal. What do I do?

501
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: They don't have mom and dad, they don't they don't

502
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,240
have that. Fab says that it was actually Millie, it

503
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,200
was actually Ingrid who was the one that said, listen,

504
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,559
you guys are gonna have to pay the money back

505
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:13,279
if you don't do this, and she denied it. She's

506
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,400
like no, I never I never told them that. But

507
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,519
whether it was her or not her, the message was clear.

508
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,039
If you want to have the rich and famous contract,

509
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,640
you have to do it our way.

510
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,839
Speaker 1: And so Fab says, all right, we'll do it for

511
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,960
one song, one song, and that song was girl you

512
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:35,920
know it's true yep. And it goes through the roof bananas,

513
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,759
bananas yep in Germany all the way to number one.

514
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now the game has changed drastically.

515
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,599
Speaker 1: He said. We began to love the lie.

516
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:50,279
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and how could you not? All right, next song?

517
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,599
Speaker 1: Okay, So the next song on the album is called

518
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:53,680
more Than You'll Ever.

519
00:26:53,559 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 8: Know ro.

520
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: Man I Got from the House. Okay.

521
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,559
Speaker 1: So that one's a little funkier, it's upbeat, it's fun,

522
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,119
but good call not making it a single.

523
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: The first line of the song is, hey, you know

524
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,519
Rob the word Mike? What's up? Man? Did they just

525
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,119
out Fab and just say, oh, we are actually talking

526
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,680
to the real singer. Who's Mike?

527
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea who Mike is. Who is Mike?

528
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:34,920
I don't know.

529
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,519
Speaker 2: So this was not a single unless you had the album.

530
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:40,000
You don't know this song.

531
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing you and I are working hard

532
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,799
to talk about all these songs. Yeah, you can't find girl,

533
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,160
you know, it's true. On Spotify. You can't buy the album.

534
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,160
You can't buy it. This is not available when the

535
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,039
hoax was brought to light, pulled it.

536
00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:13,799
Speaker 2: They pulled the record, they pulled the whole friggin' showdown.

537
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: And it has never been put out again. Now they've got,

538
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680
you know, ways of listening to their singles and stuff

539
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,680
like that, but that album is not available.

540
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is an album called The Best of Millie

541
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,759
Vanilli thirty fifth Anniversary that came out last year. And

542
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,599
I'll tell you this, Millie Vanilli has one point three

543
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:32,559
million monthly listeners on Spotify. Is that crazy or what?

544
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:33,559
It's crazy?

545
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,519
Speaker 1: All right? So we talked about how Brad Howe, Charles Shaw,

546
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,039
a guy named John Davis were the real singers, right.

547
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,720
You had Linda and Jody Rocco as the background singers.

548
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,400
They're the girls that you hear singing prominently. Which when

549
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,279
I watched the CLUBEAMTV clips and stuff, I'm looking at

550
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,160
the girl singers and like that ain't them either, you.

551
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,359
Speaker 2: Know that's all right. It's they're twins, right.

552
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,599
Speaker 1: They're twins. Yeah, And the interesting thing when they were

553
00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:01,400
recording this album. They're pretty out spoken, they're American girls.

554
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,279
They're like, where is Robin fab We want to see them,

555
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:06,279
we want to know them, we want to talk to them.

556
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,640
And they were basically like, oh, they just record at night,

557
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,079
and so everybody was kept.

558
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: Just missed them. It's like Superman Clark, what are you doing?

559
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, So, like they would record all day the

560
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:20,279
background vocals, and then they would usher them out and

561
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,559
then they would bring in the ugly guys to.

562
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: See call them the real singer. Let's call them the

563
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:27,240
not beautiful men.

564
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: How about that Brad and Charles and John.

565
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:32,519
Speaker 2: Somebody he's beautiful to his mama.

566
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: They would sneak him in the basement and they would

567
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,880
bring him in to sing the actual vocals.

568
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so at this point, as I mean, we've

569
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,160
got to keep in mind that we've got this this

570
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,599
German version of the album that has come out right,

571
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,880
and then girl, you know it's true hits big. They realize, oh,

572
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480
we can we can make a lot more money with this.

573
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,119
The record company from America gets involved and they're like, hey,

574
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,039
we're doing this whole thing over again, and we're going

575
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:01,799
to do it even better and even bigger, and all

576
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,960
the publicity, all of that is going at one hundred

577
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:07,960
thousand miles an hour. That's right.

578
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,559
Speaker 1: So you and I talked off air about this girl.

579
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:12,799
You know, it's true. Is this massive hit in Germany,

580
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:14,920
but there's no album really to go along with it

581
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,279
in the US. And so Arista, the record company in

582
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,440
the US, is like, we need to build a new album.

583
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,720
They need to come to the States, they need to tour,

584
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,640
and we need to get this thing going because every

585
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,799
week that it's not here, we lose a million dollars.

586
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: Right. Keep in mind, at this point, Arista doesn't know

587
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:34,160
the secret.

588
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: So when this hits, MTV blows up in America.

589
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: Like I cannot erase the image from my mind to

590
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,039
these guys dancing the way that they dance and bouncing

591
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:49,079
off of each other, and it was there was nothing.

592
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,400
There was nothing like this on MTV before these guys

593
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:53,839
came along.

594
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,519
Speaker 1: It's true.

595
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: And everybody, especially the girls, ate it up. Yeah, I

596
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,680
got a story for you on that one. I speaking

597
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:03,240
of girls ate it up. So after this, I have

598
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,440
a buddy and this friend of mine, and we started

599
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,599
talking about Millie Vanilli. A couple of years ago, and

600
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,480
he said, oh yeah, I went to high school with

601
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:16,599
this girl and like it was her dream to keep

602
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:21,640
this PG for thirteen to go down on Robin fab

603
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,200
And in nineteen eighty she made that dream come true

604
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:29,240
when they hit the Oakliss leg of their tour. Did

605
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:30,000
she yes?

606
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:30,599
Speaker 7: Sure?

607
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: Now I don't know with if you know, I can't

608
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,839
really put myself in her position, Thank goodness, but I

609
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,519
can't imagine how you got to feel when you find

610
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,279
out the truth after having gone to that effort to

611
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:44,640
do that act.

612
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,119
Speaker 1: I wonder if they forgot her number after that. So

613
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,720
let's talk about the fourth single on the album or third,

614
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,519
depends on where you first heard this album. It released

615
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,839
in the United States. That song is called Blame It

616
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:18,200
on the Ring. Okay, so let's clarify this a little bit.

617
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:20,400
This song was not on All or Nothing, not on.

618
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,039
Speaker 2: The original one. It was on the US remix album

619
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,119
All or Nothing, but it wasn't on the original.

620
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't on the original European album. This was written

621
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,240
explicitly for the girl you know It's true album when

622
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:32,960
they knew they had a hit and they had to

623
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,519
come up with an album super quick. So when Arista

624
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,319
got involved, they started reaching out to all their songwriters,

625
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,519
and so they reached out to the incredibly talented and

626
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,640
amazing songwriter Diane Warren.

627
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,759
Speaker 2: And we've talked about her music of all things, when

628
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,759
we talked about The Last Dragon, because she is the

629
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,359
one who wrote Rhythm of the Night by DeBarge.

630
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,519
Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this lineup. We went through it on

631
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,880
The Last Dragon, but it's worth talking about again. So

632
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,880
when they called her, they said, hey, we got this

633
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,440
band named Millie Vanilli. They've just had this massive hit

634
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,920
called Girl. You know it's true. And she said, well,

635
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,839
I've got this song that I think is really good.

636
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,000
I know it's a hit song. I gave it to

637
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:14,680
the Jets. Remember the Wolfgrams we talked about in our

638
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,480
Patreon epps no.

639
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,519
Speaker 2: One of our Patreon early Patreon EPs.

640
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a few hits, you know, crush on You.

641
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,839
Speaker 2: And Yeah, I don't know that's why they're the one

642
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,400
hit wonders.

643
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, But they sat on it and they

644
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,359
didn't do anything with it, and that made her mad.

645
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,039
She's like, I know that's a hit song. The Jets

646
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,480
aren't doing anything with it. But Diane Warren had written

647
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,599
Solitaire by Laura Brannigan. She had written Rhythm of the

648
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,599
Night by DeBarge, Nothing's going to Stop Us Now by Starship,

649
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,720
Who Are You Run To? By Heart? I Get Weak

650
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,119
Belinda Carlisle, look Away by Chicago, If I Could Turn

651
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,240
back Time by Cher When I See You Smile Bad English,

652
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,519
Unbreak My Heart by Tony Braxton. I Don't want to

653
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,640
miss a Thing by Aerosmith. That is a murderer's row

654
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,119
of massive hits.

655
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So she's talking to Clive Davis and she's like,

656
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,160
I've got the perfect follow up song for this. I

657
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,000
mean it sounds like the same rhythmic piece.

658
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,039
Speaker 1: Girl, you know it's true. Blame it on the rain.

659
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,359
Speaker 2: There you go. Now.

660
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,199
Speaker 1: The American producers talked about how they usually like to

661
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,559
kind of be involved in the recording process. Frank Ferrian's like, no,

662
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,559
you guys, stay over there, I'll record it, produce it,

663
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:18,519
and i'll send it back to you. That raised some

664
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,079
red flags, but they were trusting him to do what.

665
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,599
Speaker 2: He was doing. What are you going to do when

666
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:24,960
they're making a million dollars a day?

667
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,639
Speaker 1: Seriously, So this song goes number one. It's number one.

668
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,360
November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine. It's another number one

669
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,559
hit the Billboard chart November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine.

670
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,519
Blame It on the Rain hits number one. It spends

671
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,559
two weeks at number one. It blocks when I See

672
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,960
You Smile by Bad English, which is another Diane Warren song,

673
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,800
but it keeps them from achieving the number one status.

674
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,119
It blocks love Shack by the B fifty twos, which

675
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:51,920
was a huge song.

676
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:52,519
Speaker 2: Huge.

677
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: What do you think of this song? Be?

678
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: I don't know why you're asking me this question. I

679
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,039
told you in nineteen eighty nine. I'm listening to the

680
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:02,760
Lennard skinnerd that one, and I am not listening to

681
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,360
pop radio. I mean, I couldn't avoid it. It was

682
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,400
out there. I probably had it stuck in my head

683
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,320
about one hundred times more than I ever wanted it

684
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,719
to be. It's not what I call high quality music.

685
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:20,039
It's just pop radio goo. But it's okay, Okay, there's

686
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:21,760
a lot pop radio goo that I do like.

687
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: This song was featured on an episode of Full House.

688
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: Okay, that's important.

689
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,639
Speaker 1: They kind of hold hands on the same level of

690
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,639
pop goodiness.

691
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.

692
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: Next song on the album, song called Take It as

693
00:35:47,360 --> 00:36:04,960
it comes.

694
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So if that's your first time hearing this song,

695
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,280
you and I are in the same boat. Okay. I apologize.

696
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,920
There's never been an album that we've covered that I

697
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,679
haven't listened to the whole album, and usually multiple times

698
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,079
before I do the album. But I didn't feel it

699
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,360
necessary with this particular group and this particular question.

700
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,559
Speaker 1: There you go, that's fine. This is not a great

701
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:36,960
song anyway. But let's continue with the Millie Vanilly story.

702
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: Okay.

703
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: Charles Shaw, who was the original rapper on the Girl

704
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,840
you know It's true song. Yeah, he gets a little

705
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,039
bit mad because money is pouring in now Robin Fabs

706
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:49,960
start to believe they need more money. Charles Shaw's like, hey,

707
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,480
somebody needs to pay me. Yeah, and Frank Farian is not,

708
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,800
in my opinion, he's not wise enough to buy off

709
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,719
their secrecy. He brings Charles Shaw in and says, I

710
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,599
told you to keep your mouth shut. You've talked to

711
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,880
all these people, said that their lip sinking. You're fired,

712
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,840
You're cut off. I don't want to talk to you again.

713
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,719
I don't want to ever see you again. I don't

714
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,159
think that's the way you treat somebody who you're trusting

715
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,880
to protect a golden goose.

716
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: I think it was The Godfather where they said two

717
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,119
people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

718
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:20,519
Speaker 1: That's it.

719
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: Like if you have a huge secret that is worth

720
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,519
a million dollars a day, you don't piss off somebody

721
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,760
else who knows the secret, right, like, give them some

722
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,039
of that money. Man. Although I'm advocating for the lie, right,

723
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,000
for paying off the lie. That's what I'm doing right now.

724
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,400
But just as far as bad business decisions go, this

725
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,039
was among the top. In this this whole story.

726
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: So tras Shaw goes to a German newspaper and says,

727
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,880
their lip syncing, I'm the real singer, and nobody cares.

728
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: Oh. And not only not only that, but when he

729
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,280
does that, Frank Farrian says he's lying. Right, He says

730
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,320
he's lying. Like Frank Ferryan like sticks to his guns

731
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,920
and says, this guy's lying. He is not the guy

732
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,760
who's singing. He doesn't know what he's talking about. This

733
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,159
is totally untrue and you should stop publishing this stuff.

734
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,159
Speaker 1: And at this time I meant, really, let's be honest.

735
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,920
The artists were happy, the record company was happy, the

736
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,679
fans were happy.

737
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: Everybody's happy except the guy who sang the song.

738
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: Except the guy who sang the song and got screwed.

739
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,199
Speaker 2: And all he's asking for is a little piece of

740
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,559
the pie. Yeah, and it would have been wise to

741
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:35,039
pay it, absolutely would now. Interestingly, this and in this

742
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,239
segment of the story, we have the introduction of a

743
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,559
new character because they have a new manager. And when

744
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,039
I say new, they said to him when they met him, hey,

745
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,360
we've never had a manager before. And he's like, I've

746
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,199
never managed the band before, so that's great, let's do this.

747
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,679
Speaker 1: So this is really where the tragedy begins, in my opinion.

748
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,880
His name is Todd Headley, and he's like happy to

749
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480
be with them and have and happy for their success,

750
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,840
and he's just thrilled to be a part of this ride.

751
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,199
Speaker 2: And he has no idea, he doesn't.

752
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,039
Speaker 1: Know the secret. And he's like, why hasn't anybody recommended

753
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:12,079
them for the Grammys?

754
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: I mean, these songs are great, these.

755
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,199
Speaker 1: Are great pop songs. They're at least as good as

756
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:19,519
the field. I think somebody should put them in the.

757
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,599
Speaker 2: Ring here, right, I'm the manager.

758
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,639
Speaker 1: And nobody really shuts him down. But they also don't

759
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,599
really get excited about it. Well, he calls the Grammys.

760
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:29,880
He's like, what do I need to do to get

761
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,320
these guys nominated? Like, well, I have to just fill

762
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,079
out a little piece of paperwork and fax it in.

763
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,880
So he does it, and they get on the ballot.

764
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: The murderer is sneaking up the stairs.

765
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,599
Speaker 1: And the people who know are now sweating bullets.

766
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, because at this time, you can't be a record

767
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:54,480
exec and live this story for very long without having

768
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:56,039
the hairs on the back of your neck stand up

769
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:59,440
and go, wait a minute, there's something fishy going on here.

770
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:03,559
Speaker 1: But again, the green is just flowing into the bank account.

771
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: All right. It's it's real hard to make noise when

772
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,719
you're making so much money.

773
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the record company freaks and they get mad

774
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,079
at this guy, and he's like, why is everybody mad

775
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,039
at me for getting them on the ballot for being

776
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,519
a Grammy artist. Yeah, Well here's the field.

777
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: Okay.

778
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,599
Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting. They're going up against the

779
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:22,719
Indigo Girls.

780
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: Love the Indigo Girls at that time. Great, Oh yeah,

781
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:25,800
closer to fine.

782
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,519
Speaker 1: But it's not exactly like they're blowing up MTV.

783
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,079
Speaker 2: No, they're very indie, underground kind of music. Sure, Yeah,

784
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,760
ton Loke who is blowing up MTV.

785
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,519
Speaker 1: He had a big nineteen eighty nine Yeah, sold to Soul. Yeah,

786
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:42,719
they had a big hit, Yeah, one big hit, back

787
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,320
to Life. Yeah. And then Nina Cherry Buffalo Stance.

788
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,119
Speaker 2: Buffalo Stance, And I mean, to be fair, of all

789
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:54,400
of those bands, Vanilli has the greater staying power even

790
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,679
with their catalog completely removed.

791
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,639
Speaker 1: Well, and their resume is stronger. Yeah, they got based

792
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:02,800
on the fact that they're actually singing their songs.

793
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yes, if you if you don't forget

794
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:05,760
that piece of.

795
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: Information, yeah, right.

796
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so. But I mean then the question

797
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,360
comes up, well, what would have happened had Nina Cherry

798
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,519
won instead of lost? Would she have had more big

799
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,840
hits or Indigo Girls or Tone Lok or any of them.

800
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,039
Would they have had a greater career had they won

801
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:27,840
the Grammy at that moment? And who's to say, I

802
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:28,639
don't know.

803
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: I think that Nina Cherry might be the most pissed

804
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,920
off by everyone at this deal. Next song. Next song

805
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,239
is called It's your Thing.

806
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: It's your Things. It do what you want to do.

807
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,679
I can't tell you suck.

808
00:41:44,559 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 9: It, do what you want to do.

809
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: This is like AI if you told AI to recreate

810
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,960
a dance version of the Isisley Brothers. I'm not a

811
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,880
fan of this version.

812
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah no, the Isisley Brothers version is definitely better and

813
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:18,480
several and this song has been covered like a dozen

814
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,960
times at least this by the way, it was a

815
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,599
response to Motown's chief Verry Gordy, demanding hold on his

816
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,559
artist after the Isley's left the label in nineteen sixty.

817
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: Barry Gordy, who we talked about on our last Dragon

818
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,440
episode and who we just talked about on our last

819
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,000
Patreon is the father of Rockwell, somebody's watching me.

820
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And guys, if you don't know the Verry Gordy

821
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:49,239
family tree, signing up for our Patreon is worth the

822
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,920
money just for that family tree alone. All I'm gonna

823
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,519
say is President of the United States and the unbearable

824
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,719
weight of massive talent. That's it. Oh my gosh.

825
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,039
Speaker 1: Okay, we cover that in it last month the Patreon.

826
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, go check that out.

827
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, quickly, let's roll on to the next song

828
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:08,679
real quick.

829
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

830
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,599
Speaker 1: That song is called Dreams to Remember.

831
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: Hello, Babe, I'm running out of.

832
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:24,039
Speaker 8: I'll never forgive you.

833
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: You've missed this Heart of My.

834
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 6: Home wood bound y.

835
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: So as a first time listener, I gotta say I

836
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,039
smell a hit here. I don't know how this was

837
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:45,960
not a single.

838
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's This is betchy Miami.

839
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:54,159
Speaker 2: Vice Feel followed up with some very white style lyrics.

840
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,199
I mean, I'm digging this could have been on the

841
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,039
Makeout List of nineteen eighty nine.

842
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,519
Speaker 1: I agree with you. This is a cinema after dark

843
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:01,360
special right here.

844
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,519
Speaker 2: It's good, but it's good. It is good.

845
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: I like it. Dreams you remember it is kind of dreamy.

846
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I really dig a great sax music

847
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,679
to it. I'm pleasantly surprised at that song.

848
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: When they look back on nineteen eighty nine, there are

849
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,159
dreams to remember, but there's also a nightmare just around

850
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:19,599
the corner.

851
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

852
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: So do they win the Grammy? And when they won

853
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:28,039
the Grammy, they hung themselves because you can't. It's like

854
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,800
whenning the Oscar. You can't fake the Oscar.

855
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too big, it's too big.

856
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: They are a victim of their massive success.

857
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,679
Speaker 2: And the thing is, this is really interesting the way

858
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:45,159
that you phrased it, especially because you said they hung

859
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:53,480
themselves it's not clear, but had they walked the line,

860
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:59,679
and had they been less aggressive, I'm not even sure

861
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,760
that winning the Grammy would have outed them. But when

862
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,440
they win the Grammy, their heads in. I mean, they've

863
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,920
already inflated to one hundred times what they were when

864
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,719
they were young men. At that point they realize, hey,

865
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:20,840
we are a cash cow and without us, a lot

866
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,320
of people lose a lot of money. And so what

867
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,239
we're going to do this is really it. This is

868
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,599
as you say, where they hung themselves. What they decide

869
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,159
to do is they decide to put pressure onto Frank

870
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:37,360
Farrion to sing themselves on the album.

871
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they become obnoxious and arrogant and they tell

872
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,880
Frank Faryon, look where the guys we're going to sing?

873
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: Right? And he says, no, you're just not I mean

874
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,119
just flat out no, you're not good enough. And they say,

875
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,440
you're either going to put us on the album or

876
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,840
you're going to give us one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

877
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,400
which I mean, why would you only ask for one

878
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,719
hundred and fifty thousand dollars? I haven't no idea, but

879
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,920
at that point you think, again, if I was Frank

880
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,760
Ferrion and and we know he's the bad guy in this,

881
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,480
but if I'm him, I'm gonna say the same thing.

882
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,880
I'm not gonna let these two idiots push me around.

883
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,920
They're not gonna threaten me. I'm freaking Frank Farrion.

884
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,599
Speaker 1: Dang it, that's it. I orchestrated this thing. Now, you

885
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:24,239
guys are just players, You're just a costume.

886
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: And so what does he do? How does he get

887
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,000
out of this situation? He plays the card that they

888
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:37,360
threatened to play, and he comes out with a big

889
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,920
press conference with the real singers sitting in front of him,

890
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:46,480
and he tells the world guys never sang any of

891
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:47,800
their songs.

892
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: The truth sets him free, and he comes out smelling

893
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:57,920
like a rose on this deal, which is nut.

894
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: Like the You Go Go Judd. If you don't want

895
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,119
to watch that whole Milli Vanilli documentary, watch what the

896
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,800
media does to these two guys because they have to

897
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,199
come out and say something after they've been outed, right,

898
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,480
they have to come out and say something. And there

899
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:16,199
they are, young twenty guys who don't know what the

900
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,119
heck they're doing. It's obvious when they get out there

901
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:24,639
that that's the case, the media crucifies them, like there's

902
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,239
so much vile and hatred coming and nobody, nobody in

903
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,639
the crowd thinks to say, wait a minute. You have

904
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,639
a rich, very well connected, very powerful producer who has

905
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,719
lied to you, and you have these guys who were

906
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,159
living in squalor who were given this opportunity. Who's the

907
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:48,159
real bad guy here?

908
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:48,519
Speaker 1: Right?

909
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: Nobody says it at the time, including me. I'm just like, yeah, well,

910
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:53,159
whatever that figures.

911
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: It's really tragic because they are still a punchline thirty

912
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,159
five years later when you talk about music scandals, they're

913
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:02,079
at the top of the list.

914
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Frank.

915
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,079
Speaker 1: Farrion made millions of dollars and nobody even said boo

916
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:06,559
to him.

917
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,119
Speaker 2: Right. He comes out with the real million Vanilli just

918
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:11,679
a little while later, where he tries and which is

919
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,719
this is the crazy part? He's like, this is the

920
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,159
real Millie Vanilli And he has new songs that he's

921
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:20,199
written in a new album. And you know who he

922
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,199
brings out is the real Millie Vanilli again, people who

923
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,599
are not actually singing on the album. He's lying again.

924
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,239
It's crazy.

925
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: He's Darth Vader in this story.

926
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: He is the Emperor he is. He is Palpatine man.

927
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I don't know what happened behind

928
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,960
the scenes. I don't really remember, but if I am

929
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:45,199
the record company in America, I sue his balls off.

930
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,599
But the fact that they didn't that says a lot.

931
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,199
Speaker 2: That means that means they knew. That means they knew.

932
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. Rob is really the guy. He

933
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,800
overplayed his hand. He was right. They can't do it

934
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,800
without those two guys. He wasn't planning on not doing it.

935
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,119
He thought that they would be forced into, you know,

936
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,360
counting to his demands. He was wrong, and he paid

937
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,800
a heavy price. Let's talk about that after we talk

938
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,960
about this next song. The next song on the album.

939
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:33,639
It's the fifth single. This song is called all or Nothing?

940
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,119
Okay do When I played you the song all or Nothing,

941
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:42,840
you were like struck by lightning.

942
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,679
Speaker 2: Like the first four notes and I'm like, wait a minute.

943
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,440
And then I was like I know that, I know,

944
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,000
I know this, I know and you were like you're

945
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,480
going through the mental jukebox right now, and I'm like,

946
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,159
dang it, And I said, I took a bathroom break,

947
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:58,440
I went now, and I'm commute and I'm like, I

948
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,639
could hear the guy's voice. I can't think of what

949
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,760
the words are, but I'm like, and I get back

950
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,880
up here, and I'm like, Okay, the guy sounds like

951
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,519
the guy from the Schoolhouse Rocks when a bill becomes

952
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,360
law thing. Yeah, and and the chorus is like rider,

953
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:18,159
rainy Rana rain and pony rah rah.

954
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: You did all that. We even tried to sing it

955
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,559
into SoundHound.

956
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

957
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: I just don't have the voice to sing that song.

958
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:27,159
But but then you were like, wait a minute, here

959
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:27,519
it is.

960
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,599
Speaker 1: So here's the nugget on that. Yeah, the fact that

961
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:34,559
you recognized it. I guarantee the guy who wrote that

962
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:35,599
song recognized it.

963
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who's familiar with the song, it's unmistakable.

964
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,079
Speaker 1: So here you go. In December of nineteen ninety, singer

965
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:44,960
songwriter David Clayton Thomas sued Millie Vanilli for copyright infringement,

966
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,119
alleging that All or Nothing used the melody from his

967
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,199
nineteen sixty eight song Spinning Wheel.

968
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 7: Spinning Wheel, Got Tombo round Tomkin about your tumbles. It's

969
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:05,599
some crying a painted pony. Let the spin and wheels.

970
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: It's the same. SAME's the cheters well.

971
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 2: I think we've kind of this is minor in comparison

972
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:16,039
the rest of the story.

973
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: So that was the fifth single, the fifth and final

974
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,280
single from this version of Millie Vanilli, and it did

975
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,400
it chart. It reaches number four. It tops out February

976
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,960
twenty fourth, nineteen ninety, number four on the charts.

977
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: And that's just months before they're outed.

978
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: They're outed in November of nineteen ninety.

979
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:42,639
Speaker 2: God, now they're outed, they're crucified. Yes, Frank keeps his money,

980
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:48,000
Clive Davis keeps his money. They get Jack Squad, They

981
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,519
try to do their own album called Rob and Fave.

982
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,400
They sign up with the wrong record label to start with,

983
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,639
and well they're not that good to put another notch

984
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:00,559
in belt.

985
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: So that song is called we can get it on.

986
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:11,159
Speaker 3: Girl.

987
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: What I feel for you?

988
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,599
Speaker 5: I would think that you would you want you want

989
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,719
to have to beg when I.

990
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,199
Speaker 2: Know that it's honestly not that bad.

991
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: It's about the same level of the other crap that

992
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,440
we got at the same time.

993
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:32,679
Speaker 2: I mean his voice. Recognizing his voice at this point,

994
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,920
he does sound more like New Edition, like he does

995
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:38,719
not have that that deep voice that we heard on

996
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,079
the Millie Vanilli album. He's got a more you know,

997
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:46,159
prepubescent voice, but it's still a decent voice. They do

998
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,280
the video right, they do it in black and white.

999
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,400
They've got the shirts off showing off their physique, and

1000
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,599
they've got girls with their tops off.

1001
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: And their favorite videos.

1002
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,079
Speaker 2: Spinning in sexy clothes. I mean it's not a bad

1003
00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:59,719
video either. Yeah. The problem is the record company just

1004
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,119
a producing this record, goes bankrupt. They expected to sell

1005
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,519
a million copies because I mean, just pure interest, right, yeah, curiosity.

1006
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,880
So let's see if these guys can actually sing. Yeah,

1007
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,760
they sold two thousand, no decimal point problem, they're not

1008
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,280
twenty thousand, not two hundred thousand, q two thousand. Goodness,

1009
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,840
I feel like I could sell two thousand, like of

1010
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,760
my own music at like local concerts and clubs. Like,

1011
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,960
how do you not go out and do something? I

1012
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,920
guess they're out of money, that's it, right, They they

1013
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,239
blew their wad on this production, which is not a

1014
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,840
bad again, not a bad song. But then you got

1015
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,599
no money to tour, no money to market, and your

1016
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,360
record company goes belly up and they're not making any

1017
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,039
more of these records. That's it. And so now the epilogue,

1018
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:53,559
they are back down to nothing.

1019
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: Before we get to the fallout, let's talk about the

1020
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,599
third single, another number one hit. This song is called

1021
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:00,760
I'm Gonna Miss You.

1022
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 5: I know from the stock you would waved, but still

1023
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,039
a hand play the god wro around.

1024
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:17,519
Speaker 8: With your magic smile. You can't be hanging on the

1025
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:18,360
levels across.

1026
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: Oh wow, how sadly prophetic that line is.

1027
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,639
Speaker 1: Wow, yep, that's exactly right.

1028
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 2: And the I don't think it's girl I'm gonna miss you,

1029
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,719
it's going I'm gonna miss all those girls.

1030
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah it was from Oklhom City.

1031
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, at any girl they chose, and now they're as

1032
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:42,199
you said, a punchline of laughingstock.

1033
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: This song hits number one September twenty third, nineteen eighty nine.

1034
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:49,840
It blocks Heaven by Warrant If I Could Turn back

1035
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,599
Time by Share and eighteen in Life by skid Row.

1036
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: Three humongous banger songs.

1037
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,039
Speaker 1: I don't think Warren or skid Row I ever got

1038
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:58,800
that close again, So they've got a reason to be

1039
00:54:58,880 --> 00:54:59,519
upset as well.

1040
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,559
Speaker 2: Sure, it's probably why Jennie Leane started drinking. Sorry, that's

1041
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,440
that's bad taste joke. Sorry about that. Lighting it up

1042
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,000
a little bit.

1043
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: Here, all right, and then the last track on the

1044
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,239
album is a remix of girl you Know It's True,

1045
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:48,239
which is fine. Let's listen to that real quick, just

1046
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,960
kind of the long dance version of girl you Know

1047
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,519
It's True, which is fun. That's the best song on

1048
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:55,880
the album anyway, and they doubled down on that. But really,

1049
00:55:56,119 --> 00:56:00,480
let's talk about what happens after the complete bottom falls

1050
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:01,719
out on these two guys.

1051
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: So their album doesn't sell at all. I mean, and

1052
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,239
these guys have lived as brothers since before they became famous,

1053
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,519
right like, they have lived as close companions. They are

1054
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:17,000
best friends. And part of the fame that comes with

1055
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:21,440
being a rock star is the drugs. You may suddenly

1056
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,440
not be a rock star anymore, but that doesn't mean

1057
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,639
that you suddenly one want to stop doing drugs or

1058
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,840
number two can stop doing drugs. The problem is is

1059
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,000
that you can't do the really expensive drugs anymore. You

1060
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,119
got to resort to some cheaper stuff, and very popular

1061
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:42,280
at that time was crack. And so Rob gets in

1062
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,480
a pretty bad way to the point that Fab his

1063
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:50,039
brother has to say, we need to separate and spend

1064
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:53,039
time apart because we're going in different directions here.

1065
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: After they do the spearmint and gum commercial which you

1066
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,039
and I talked about.

1067
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,079
Speaker 2: How long will a flavor can't free shut of us

1068
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:02,320
with bubble gum glass?

1069
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:09,519
Speaker 3: How long.

1070
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: To sing themselves can't gum the last? If you don't

1071
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:23,199
remember that they're sing an opera, Like there's an opera

1072
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,400
and you've playing and then you come in and it's

1073
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,639
Millievanilli Robin Fab doing their routine dance where they're jumping

1074
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:36,360
and their big shouldered, bright colored jackets, just the most

1075
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,000
iconic Millie Vanilli things that you can do. And then

1076
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:40,480
the record starts skipping.

1077
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,519
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing, But like you said, they needed money.

1078
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean you've at that point. What can

1079
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:50,440
you do to try to save face except make fun

1080
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,840
of yourself? You you have to self deprecate at that

1081
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,400
point because you there's no more pride to be had.

1082
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: So Rob has a thousand dollars drug habit, one thousand

1083
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,639
dollars a day. Fab is running around, he's doing his

1084
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:08,159
own thing. He ends up back in la and he

1085
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,599
is at the viper room and he sees a guy

1086
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:13,880
stumbling around across the street and he looks over.

1087
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: This is what like six seven years later, right, yeah.

1088
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is many many years later. Yeah, they hadn't talked,

1089
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,599
they hadn't seen each other, hadn't been around each other.

1090
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1091
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: And he looks and he's like, oh my gosh, it's Rob.

1092
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,559
And he runs across to get him to, you know,

1093
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,440
help him. And he's like, is this your place right

1094
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,599
here here? Rob, it's fab Let me help you.

1095
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1096
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, this is where I'm going. It's a

1097
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:34,840
crack house.

1098
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crack house. Yeah. I mean Rob not

1099
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,480
only had drug issues, he had gotten arrested for some

1100
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:46,199
robbery things or theft things. I mean, it was just

1101
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,360
you gotta again, you gotta ask, you gotta ask yourself.

1102
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:53,039
If I was him, if I was in my young twenties,

1103
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:57,239
I dreamed of being a musician. I was given that opportunity,

1104
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,719
only to have it snatched from me in the beginning

1105
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,039
because I was told I can't sing well enough to

1106
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,920
sing on my own album, and then told I can't

1107
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,199
even get out of the contract I signed because I

1108
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:11,719
have to pay back this money and then to suddenly

1109
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,159
be very self aware that you are a fraud who

1110
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:20,719
is making buckets of money from your fraudulent behavior. What

1111
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,400
can you do except escape. You have to escape, and

1112
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,559
drugs was the way to do it for him. And

1113
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:29,239
then of course when it all comes crashing down, you

1114
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,239
still have that need, you still have that addiction. Now,

1115
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,920
Frank Farian paid for him to go to rehab. He did.

1116
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,280
That's kind of a small token in all of this.

1117
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,800
In my mind, Rob.

1118
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:43,559
Speaker 1: Went to rehab eleven times in the last seven years

1119
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,360
of his life, and Frank Farion did carry some of

1120
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,559
those bills. He ends up in a hotel in Germany.

1121
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,679
He calls Ingrid. They're still talking apparently.

1122
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like a mother to him. She was.

1123
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,000
She said.

1124
00:59:57,239 --> 00:59:59,559
Speaker 1: He would sometimes just ask her to hold him.

1125
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would sleep in the same bed. It was,

1126
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,440
but it was not a sexual thing. It was he

1127
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:09,079
just kids, an orphan. Can you imagine. He just wanted

1128
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:11,239
somebody who just would cuddle him, you know.

1129
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,519
Speaker 1: So he checked into a hotel, he called her, and

1130
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:18,440
then after not hearing from him, she went to check

1131
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,599
on him, and on April third, nineteen ninety eight, he's

1132
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,320
found dead in his hotel room at the age of

1133
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,000
like you said, thirty two or thirty three.

1134
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: It's tragedy. It's an absolute tragedy.

1135
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: Now there is a bit of hope at the end

1136
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:31,599
of this story.

1137
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah there is. We've lost one of the two, but

1138
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,320
the other one comes out of this and he does Okay,

1139
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,920
he does okay. I mean he's not a big star,

1140
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,360
but I mean he's one of the few people that

1141
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,119
can realize that that's not what life is all about.

1142
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,440
He tries several times to make it in music, but

1143
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:52,000
then just decides, Hey, I'm just gonna do the music,

1144
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,320
and he does other jobs as well, and he ends

1145
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,519
up running into this very beautiful lady in Amsterdam, yep,

1146
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,159
and he's like, hey, you just you know, you need

1147
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:04,239
to know who I am. You know that's gonna come up.

1148
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,840
And she's like, I don't care, you know, I don't.

1149
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,599
It doesn't bother me. And they get married, they have kids,

1150
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:14,159
and I gotta say, I watched a video of him

1151
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:18,360
performing live, like not in the studio, not with all

1152
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,880
of the stuff, live on stage with the band singing

1153
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,360
blame it on the rain.

1154
01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:29,639
Speaker 1: He did, and it was good and the crowd was

1155
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:30,960
warm to him.

1156
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed his voice.

1157
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 6: Now you wish text you still had her, and you feel.

1158
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:42,119
Speaker 7: Like, good fool.

1159
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 4: Her uncle.

1160
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:48,119
Speaker 3: We just don't feel.

1161
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 9: Gotta something gotta play it on something.

1162
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 3: Blame it on the rain was falling, falling.

1163
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,119
Speaker 2: The guy has learned to be real, to be humble,

1164
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,440
to accept who he is, but he has also learned

1165
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,800
to not give up on his dream of being a musician.

1166
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: Well, good for him, good family life, children, and he

1167
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:15,960
came out the other side.

1168
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so d is this?

1169
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: You gotta ask the question, are they worth the hate?

1170
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,599
Speaker 2: Not? Rob and Fab for sure, not Robin Fab. I

1171
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:30,280
agree with you. The situation itself is worthy of some distaste.

1172
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,079
Although with the auto tune and everything else that goes

1173
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on with music for the last twenty years of the

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twenty first century, this is kind of minor. You know,

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it's kind of a minor deal.

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Speaker 1: And you and I talked off air. There's no way

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that Bonie m and Millie Vanilli are the only two

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artists who have cheated us in this way somehow. Oh

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sure there are others like this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you have ever seen a group perform

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live and you're like, why do they sound so bad? Well,

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it's because the studio is a unique creature that can

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create an entirely different sound. And there are some musicians

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and singers that are talented enough that they don't need

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that studio magic. But studio magic has brought us some

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incredible songs. It just turns out that there's a lot

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of smoke and mirrors behind that, and that's what we

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have here. We have very pretty presentation, we have very

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catchy music that's very well produced. Those are the three

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ingredients that you need to have a hit song and

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make lots of money as a record company. It just

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happens to be that the guys who look like they're

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singing are not actually singing.

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Speaker 1: Well, this was a fun one to go back through.

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I told you that I have. I'm such a big

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proponent of eighty nine. I have such fond memories. That's

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the year I got my driver's license and we're hanging

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out and we're listening to the radio, and we got

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our top down and we're turned up. I remember driving

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to a birthday party with a friend of mine and

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we had baby don't forget my number cranked up. Yeah,

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because she liked it and I thought she was cool,

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So right, So I have fond memories. Those two guys

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are not worth the hate. Frank Farrian, he's the bad

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guy in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Deserves far more of the hate than he received. Yeah, yeah,

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without a doubt. There's a couple of movies. There's the

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documentary movie that you can get I believe it's on

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Hulu or Netflix right now on Paramount Plus, Paramount Plus.

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And there's also a movie that came out last year

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that is I mean, it's not a documentary, it's a

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biopic and you have actors playing Rob and Fab and

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it looks good.

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Speaker 1: It does look good.

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Speaker 2: What's weird is that? I mean, this is a movie

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that was made in Germany, appropriately enough, that's not the

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weird part. It's been released over there, it's in English.

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But even though it's had a release date published a

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few times, those release states keep going by and we

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never see the music. So my guess is that the

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Arista Records, or the real singers, or any number of

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01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,199
people who were burned by this situation don't want this

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movie to be a successful movie, right. I know that

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that Headley is that is a name, It's Headley that

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I think he's a producer on it. I think that

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the sister of one of the singers, Davis whatever, his

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01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:28,639
first name was, Davis John Davis, his sister might be

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01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:31,039
a producer on it. As well, So there are people

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who are connected and fab was a consultant on the

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movie as well.

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Speaker 1: But this is a story that needs to be more understood.

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01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: I think, and I want to see that movie. It

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01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,800
looked like a good movie. So guys, tell us what

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you think. Melli Vanilli. Are they worth the hate? Yes,

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I mean you can feel like I do that this

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01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:51,320
is pop candy music and not worth the listen. But

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01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:53,960
that's really not the question that we're asking. Are they

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,760
worth the hate because of what happened? That's the question

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01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,599
for us. And if you want to hit us up,

1240
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:01,280
you can get us on Twitter or x or whatever

1241
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,639
it is now at Shirley Podcast. You can get us

1242
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:07,280
on Facebook. At Shirley Podcast, you can even email us.

1243
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,079
Be warned if you email us and you suggest an episode,

1244
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:13,760
we might recruit you to be a host. So that's it.

1245
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,920
Stack asked Chuck Bryan or David Wright. You know, these

1246
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,880
guys get roped in. But if you feel like, hey, no,

1247
01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:25,079
you guys are wrong or you're right or whatever, email

1248
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:26,960
us about what your favorite food is to eat, because

1249
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,760
we both love food and we will respond to you.

1250
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:33,800
Hit us up Shirley Podcast at gmail dot com. Jason,

1251
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,679
what we got coming up next week?

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,719
Speaker 1: Do you and are tackling the best sequels of nineteen

1253
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,320
eighty nine. Oh, we've talked about how nineteen eighty nine

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,639
is a great summer full of sequels. They gave the

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01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:48,599
audience what they wanted, and we're tackling to the biggest.

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01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Next week, we're tackling Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade

1258
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:57,039
Fantastic versus Lethal Weapon two.

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01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 2: When those two movies are connected, I know the connection

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01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,320
between those two movies. You guys will have to tune

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,440
in to find out what that is.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be fun.

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Diplomatic immunity, guys, it's been fun. We will see

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01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,840
you guys next week. We can't tell you how much

1265
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,039
we appreciate that you've listened all the way to the end.

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Speaker 1: I'm a love jew girl, girl Okay,