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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Matt Connorton Unleashed, and we are live

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If you are listening to the show live, today is Saturday,

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January twenty four, twenty twenty six. We have an exciting

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show for you today. In a few minutes, we're gonna

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hear some world radio premieres. We get a bunch of

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new music to share with you. But the track we

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just heard that is called Pushing thirty. To open up

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this week's show, the artist is and I'm gonna bring

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him in a moment. I'm gonna as him if I'm

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saying his name correctly, because it's not a name I'm

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used to saying. Ca hal Fits, I don't. I don't

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know if I'm saying that right. Let's go ahead and

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bring him in though he's joining us via Microsoft Teams.

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Speaker 2: Hello are you there?

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Speaker 3: I'm there, my friend, har are you you did a

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very very good stob of my name.

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Speaker 4: I must say, I'm very very impressed.

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Speaker 2: Well, I had to look it up.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: You can go on YouTube and just type in how

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to pronounce, and just put in whatever name you're looking for,

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and someone's inevitably posted a video explaining that.

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Speaker 2: But you know, and I should know, I am.

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Speaker 1: Of Irish descent myself, so I should have had I

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should have had a clue, but I really didn't until

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I actually looked it up.

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Speaker 4: Do you have any idea where your Irish descendants come from?

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Speaker 1: I do not.

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Speaker 2: I do not. I need to research that. I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I just know that I've got some Irish in me,

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not only because my you know, my dad was of

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Irish descent, but also if I go out into the

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sun in the summer without sunscreen, I burn immediately. So

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I'm definitely I'm definitely Irish.

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Speaker 3: You become one of those red and white sweets that

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we have over here. You red. Yeah, we're very close.

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That's the tell tale sign that you've Irished genetics. That

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you don't do the sun very well. And we also

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don't do the rain very well. It always rains here

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and no one ever has any proper rain gear, so

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we're just kind of stuck in this middle of people

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wearing shorts in December.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, it's good fun though. It's a lovely

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place that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I love the song Pushing thirty, although as

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someone who pushed thirty quite a while ago, it makes

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me feel a little well, we'll talk about that, but

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it is a great song.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us about it.

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Speaker 1: I know that this came out in November, but you're

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getting a lot of traction with this single.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's doing well, and I suppose a lot

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of my songs in general, like I started writing music

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in July twenty twenty four. I used to be a

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personal trainer. I left that job to start writing music.

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I just had some sort of away thing where I

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was like, this is what I want to do. And

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most of my songs, and especially Pushing thirty was a

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reflection of people around me and also myself that I

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think because of everything the way the world has gone,

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that I think people in their late twenties and early

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like they still feel like teenagers, you know, and we're

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still kind of stuck in these routes that a lot

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of us in Ireland can't get houses.

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Speaker 4: We can't, you know, like everything's.

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Speaker 3: Expensive, and I think you can if you're living without purpose,

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you can get caught in that rut of you know,

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let's go out and number selves the weekend and let's

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adhere to social peer pressure of you know, the latest

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trendy close or the latest exposed, and you just get.

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Speaker 4: Stuck in the row.

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Speaker 3: And I suppose I saw that in myself, and I

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saw that in people around me. And I'm very lucky

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that since I started doing this that I have the

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most amazing support network of producers and managers and everything

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that it's.

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Speaker 4: All kind of falling into place.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a special song and it took me

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four or five minutes to write and it's having good impact,

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which is what I want from my music, just for

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someone to listen to it and no matter how old

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they after pushing sixty, you or pushing thirty, say, I

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like that. It feels familiar and it feels relatable.

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Speaker 2: Just for the record, I'm not pushing sixty.

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Speaker 1: That's not what I meant, just to clarify, no, But

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so I'm curious, like, was there a specific moment that

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kind of sparked the song, or was this something that

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was kind of building up in you over time, or

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because it sounds like it sounds like you haven't been

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necessarily actively pursuing music for very long, or maybe you have,

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but from what you said, it kind of sounded like

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or at least on this level, this is kind of new.

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Speaker 3: No, It's like, like July twenty twenty four, I quit

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my job to do pub covers, like literally just playing

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a few covers in a few wo in a few pubs,

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you know. And then last January, my missus was saying

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to me, She's like, you know, you're too good and

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too talented to be a pub singer, so you need

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to push yourself. So I released my first song last January,

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and since then, I've like I've wrote, I've written fourteen

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songs or something. In the last two three weeks, I've

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another twenty twenty five recorded, and it's just flowing out

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of me. And I just cannot tell you how much

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I love it, Like I just I've never again I

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picked up a guitar like again a year and a

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half ago, having not played it. I used to strumgle

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my bedroom at home four or five chords. But I've

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just found something that for the first time in my life,

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I've haven't given up on. Yeah, and like you know,

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I've bounced around loads of different jobs. I'm kind of

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like that typical Australian man with a hyvas jacket. You'd

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think of doing anything that used to be me, you

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know really, but I found I found music and that

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song in particular is almost just a flow consciousness. I

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sit down with the guitar five time minutes later the

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song written.

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Speaker 4: It's not like that all the time.

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Speaker 3: Like I've got a few weeks where you know, you

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just you don't have anything to say. But I found

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that I've channeled music into the craziness in my head

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and the thoughts I have. It gives me a platform

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to allow me to say what I need to say

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to myself and maybe to the world. And if someone

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gets something from it, then that's a bonus too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic. You mentioned too. You know.

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Speaker 1: The miss is it's great that you have a supportive

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partner who encourages you to do that, because that that

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makes a huge difference, you know obviously. I mean, and

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I'm sure you don't take that for granted because that's

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I'm sure you know, she's very proud of you.

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Speaker 3: No, she's she's incredible. She's actually inside now minding the

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small fellow with my mum. So shout out to my

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mum as well. So I looked away for ten minutes

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from parenting Judies to.

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Speaker 4: Take my world famous rocks.

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Speaker 3: There prem here of pushing thirty, you know, but no, look,

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it's almost like it's all meant to happen.

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Speaker 4: That, you know, my partner.

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Speaker 3: My parents are very supportive, and my dad was that

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typical kind of Irish dad where you know, you get

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a job now and you stay here and you you

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have security. And when I told him I was going

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to be a musician, he was a bit like Aaron Jesus,

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I don't know about that. No, that's that's not very

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secure as this, but he kind of sees that it's

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you know, it's it's going somewhere like I'm talking to

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a radio station in the US and he's kind of like,

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jee's fair play.

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Speaker 4: Tore that's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's cool, it's cool, and yeah it's supportive people.

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My producer like, I've met all these people very organically

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in the last year and a half a producer, videographer, manager,

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and they're almost like the perfect team for me to

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be around.

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Speaker 4: So I know I'm meant to be doing this and

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based on just keep around me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel any kind of you know, because I

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know there's sort of this Irish storytelling tradition and music.

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I mean, is that something that you're you're conscious of

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and your your approach to because you as you mentioned,

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you're you know, you're writing a lot of songs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So like I think I actually went back to

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native languages, guelgap, so it's I went back to study

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that about two years ago, so I'm kind of learning that.

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And the Irishness is a very very particular character.

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Speaker 4: We love to tell stories.

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Speaker 3: If you asked us for directions, right, the shot could

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be up on the right. We'll tell you on the

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way to the shop about that tree that's been there

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for ten thousand years and that was once you know,

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And that's kind of part of our charm and part

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of our imprint on the world. And what we have

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to offer is is kind of this unique way of

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looking at things. And I think as my songs progress

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in terms of my songwriting, the last few songs have

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written are a bit more metaphorical, a bit more imagery based,

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a bit more trying to tell a story. And I'm

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trying to channel into that. I'm trying to lean into that.

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Like we're called the Lands of Saints and Scholars. You know,

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we've some of the most amazing English writers ever, you know,

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James Joyce and Seamus Heaney, all these amazing poets and

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scholars that have gone before me. And I feel like

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I have almost values uphols. You know, I'm very proud

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to be Irish. A lot of people will know that

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about me. You know, I learned this, I learned the language,

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and I love where I'm from. In particular, Cork is

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where I'm from, and everyone from Cork loves being from Cork.

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That's just kind of you know, we have very special

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connection to the land. We have a very special connection

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to storytelling. And you know, over the last few hundred years,

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we weren't allowed to speak our language because of things

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that had gone on, and we had a very unique

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way of preserving that, which was keeping the you know,

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the spoken word alive and exaggerating stories to try and

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make it seem magical, you know, and that's kind of

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even what I'm doing now, the gift of the gap,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: Right right exactly.

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Speaker 1: And so so this track Pushing thirty that we played

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that came out in November, and then you've got another

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single which we're going to play at the end of

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our conversation called Enemy of Love, which is also a

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great song. But I'm curious, now, what what are kind

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of your plans in terms of releasing music are you

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Are you going to do continue to do singles, do

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you have an EP in mind or an album or

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what's what's kind of the forward trajectory for you?

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Speaker 3: See, I'm kind of stuck in a bit of a

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crossroads at the moment because the way music is in

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the industry is you know yourself that it's very dependent

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on algorithms and dependent on a single getting picked up.

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So I have loads of songs ready to go and written.

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My next song is coming out hopefully in the next

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four or five weeks. Will have to submit it to

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Spotify and do all those bits.

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Speaker 4: But I'm also I wrote, as.

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Speaker 3: I said, maybe twelve eleven, thirteen, fourteen songs, which I'm

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not exactly sure which ones are going to make it

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to production. But I wrote a good chunk of those

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in the last kind of three weeks, and I think

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I have a kind of calling in me to I

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have two studio dates booked in February, and I want

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to record them live, completely live, Yeah, because I think

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the way AI is going at the moment in synthetic music,

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I think people are crying out for that authenticity and

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that wrongness, and even if a chord gets wrong when

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you're recording it, it's almost like magic now. Imperfection is

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almost perfection now. So I'm kind of leaning towards getting

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those A songs recorded. I feel the very strong we'd

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record them live, and I may go against the arms

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and just push it as an album, because I think

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that's the music should be. If you're releasing single by single,

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the story of what music is supposed to be gets lost,

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into for eight songs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, That's something that comes up a lot on the show,

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because you know, everyone kind of approaches it differently, and

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there's so many different you know, I'm old enough to

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remember when I was growing up, it was, you know,

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an artist would release an album. Well, actually, first single

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would go to radio six to eight weeks before the

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album came out. Then the album comes out, and then

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if all goes according to plan, you know, maybe there's

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a second single. If things go really well, there's a third,

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et cetera. But that was kind of the set way

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of doing it. Now there's so many different ways to

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release music. You can, you know, you can release singles,

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you can do a series of singles that eventually coalesce

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into an EP or an album, kind of.

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Speaker 2: The inverse of what it used to be.

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Speaker 1: And but but it's so interesting, And then that's why

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ask those questions, because I'm always really curious, you know,

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what everyone I talked to, what their thought process is

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in terms of how they approach releasing music, because there

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are so many ways to do it now. Yeah, the

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other thing that oh yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: No, Like I think for me with that, and you're

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very it's very interesting as well. I look at everyone

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else as of an artist, and I see what they're doing.

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And for me, I've had plenty conversations with my manager

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and I think I've decided, not in a very hippy,

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nonchalant way, but the right thing will will provide itself

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when when the right moment arrives. So if an album

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feels right, I'll do that. And I think the way

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my songs are written and the message and the meaning

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for me about my music is, you know, I wasn't

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supposed to be doing this, or maybe I was, and

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I don't really know where I am, and I'm just

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releasing music and having fun. And if it means doing singles, great,

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right thing will come along. But for me, like the

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first album I ever listened to was an Irish artist

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called Damien Rice, and the album is Oh, and it

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was the most it's it's it's still a masterpiece.

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Speaker 4: And when I think of.

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Speaker 3: Releasing music, that's the standard I want to hold myself to.

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I want someone to listen to a full album and think, well,

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there's so much in that, there's so much to take

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on that you have to keep listening to it, and

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then you find your favorite song and then you say, oh,

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I love coming up to this part because it's three

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songs here which are really strong, and yeah, it's just

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a it's a whole, it's a whole other universe of

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looking at music.

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Damien Rice?

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Speaker 3: I think Damien Rice. I think Damien Rice. I think

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Tom Waits is another one. I absolutely love Tom Waits,

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Johnny Cash.

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Speaker 4: When I was growing up as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm very lucky that my parents, my mom and dad,

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had these CDs and tapes that would play on the car.

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They were older music, and I just I love that.

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I think I think Damien Rice and Tom Waits definitely

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as well. Would be would be two that I you know,

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if I had to have a dinner in the morning

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or a breakfast in the morning and to.

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Speaker 4: Invite two people to be would be the two of them?

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Speaker 2: That would that would be interesting?

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Speaker 1: Tom Wait is uh what would be uh fascinating to

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uh to sit down with?

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Speaker 2: Although probably probably a little hard to understand them at times.

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious too because you did mention AI and

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that's another subject that, as you can imagine, comes up

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a lot on the show and its impact on music.

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Speaker 2: And I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that something you're you're concerned about or

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you sounded you struck Uh, I felt like kind of

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an optimistic tone about it when you said, you know,

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it's almost like music that is made entirely by humans.

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If it's got little flaws in it, that's okay because

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that's what people really want. They want the humanity of it,

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and not sort of you know, just completely synthetic music.

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But I'm curious if you can expand on that a

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little bit, and how concerned are you about AI and music?

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Speaker 3: Like I think if you if you had say, thirty

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years ago artists and you know about synthetic drums and

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synthetic you know, like synthesizers or like using you know,

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to say even laptops or computers for card music said no,

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we've our eight tracks and right, so, like, I can't

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remember who said it, but I was listened to a

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video the other day and it was really really interesting.

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They were talk about AI music and your man asked them.

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He was like, you know, how worried are you about

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people you know, gravitating towards.

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Speaker 4: AI music and are getting lost?

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Speaker 3: And he said, well, you can go to a supermarket

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and you can buy organic, fair trade bananas, and you

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can buy five's bananas that are grown you know, in

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a greenhouse down the road.

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Speaker 4: It's your choice, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I suppose I would probably lean into the market

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that I would want to make music for the people

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who want to buy the organic, fair trade bananas. And

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I think there's always going to be a market for that.

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imperfection for you know, seeing someone live and all the

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different instruments and even someone making a bum note and

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everyone in the crowd laughing because it's just, you know,

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that's what music is. It's a gathering, it's a celebration.

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is able to speak words that you may not able

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to speak yourself, but you can listen to them say

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it and it hits something with you, you know. And

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if that and even my opinion is is that if

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AI music does that for you, then you know, at

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least you're conceiving music. It may not be the music

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I enjoy or may not be the music I'd like

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to make, but and there's I think again, like there's

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tools you can take from AI. You know, I actually

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use it for like I'll say to chat GBT, can

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you make me a two week calendar for my content ideas.

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I think there's ways that we can't. If you duck

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your head in the sand and say it's not happening,

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it's not happening, then you're going to get lost behind.

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Speaker 4: And I just think if you can use certain tools.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a great book by Cal Newpoort called

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Digital Minimalism, and it's like, you know, use technology to

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your advantage, you know, make it work for you.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I don't really care too.

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Speaker 3: Much, to be honest, I'll go and play shows to

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twenty people and they pay twenty quid for a ticket

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and I'll be laughing, you know, I know it doesn't

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really you know, people will always want to hear what

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you want to hear if you're saying the right thing, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, I agree, and I fundamentally agree with what you said,

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you know, And it's not like you can't hold back

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technology anyway. You know that toothpaste is already all the

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way out of the tube. It's here, and you know,

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and it's been with us longer than people realize too.

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I mean, you know, every major recording studio that is

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you know, sort of technologically up to date, shall we say,

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is already using AI and a lot of its software

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and you don't necessarily realize it, but you know, you've

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got programs that can, you know, pitch correct, and you

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got all kinds of AI already happening.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Of course, now you can go on some of these

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apps and just create songs out of whole cloth, not

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even whole cloth. You put in a prompt, you tell

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what you want, and it spits out something that in

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some cases is actually very high quality.

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Speaker 4: I tell you a phonny story.

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and we were start down and having a cup of

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tea and someone was playing music and a speaker next

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to me, and I says, well, that sounds like Mumfort

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and Sons or something that's incredible.

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Speaker 4: And I went up to them and I was like,

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who's that.

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh, it's our friend. He's her neighbor. He

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makes music. And I was like wow and he was.

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They were like, yeah, it's all done through AI. And

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I was like, oh, I've been caught. I've been caught,

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but look, yeah, just look it's something's sounds sonically great

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on our ears, and you know there's a niche that

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needs to be scratched there too, So you know, I

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kind of had to I kind of had to take

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take the eld there as the as the young kids

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would say, and yeah, I was like, you know, sure, look,

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it's it's it's it's happening.

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Speaker 4: It's here. We can embrace it, we can use it.

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We cannot use it.

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Speaker 3: You can complain about it, but you know, at the

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end of the day, there's a message.

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Speaker 4: Out there, which I feel what music.

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Speaker 3: Is supposed to do, and you know, just let it happen,

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Let it happen, lean into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I absolutely agree with you.

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you doing a lot of shows?

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Speaker 3: So I'm kind of in this weird position where I

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do cover gigs most nights of the week, and I'm

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really lucky that I'm really busy, you know, and that

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finances bills and like the studio time and everything. And

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I got signed with a manager just before Christmas, which

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was really cool considering it's been like, you know, say,

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it was ten months since I had started releating music,

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and then I got picked up by a manager and

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even last year I played countless support slots to quite

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big artists in Ireland and we're Yeah, I'm currently organizing

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an Irish and kind of UK tour which is going

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to be starting in April, hopefully myself a manager in

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close contact doing all of that. And I just I

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love performing, like I'll always be someone that just I

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love performing two people in a room and like, you know,

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my ambitions from music is you know, obviously there's a

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nice monetary reward down the line when you put in

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the graph, but as long as I'm just playing music

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to people who want to hear for the rest of

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my life and I'm able to you know, live comfortably

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and have a roof over my head, I really am happy,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I just I love performing.

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Speaker 3: I Like the first gig I ever did, I got

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a buzz from people, you know, it was actually in

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a restaurant, you know, it like a lunchtime slot in

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a restaurant, and people's you know, turned around put down

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the knighte from four for a minute and watched me

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and I was like, wow, I have that impact with

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my voice, and you know, so, yeah, I just love

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performing live. I constantly just pick up the guitar at

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home and then, like each cover gig I do, I

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try my best to make it seem like it's my

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last gig.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you never know, and you know, you know,

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I could be paralyse smart and not be able to

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play the guitar again, and I'd be kicking myself if

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I didn't, even if I.

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Speaker 4: Was playing a pub.

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Speaker 3: Just just give people in there something to remember because

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you never know who's watching, you know, that.

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Speaker 2: Is absolutely true, absolutely one. No, that's great. That's great.

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Speaker 1: So where's uh, where should people go online? Where's the

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best place to go online to keep up with everything

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that you're doing, Like.

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Speaker 4: There's just the usual.

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Speaker 3: If there's Instagram, cahole fits music, Spotify, cahole fits, TikTok,

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cahole fits, you know, the usual stuff.

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Speaker 4: You you'll find me somewhere.

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Speaker 3: If you do a Google start cahol fits music, You'll

477
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find me somewhere. And if people have been listening to

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this and they're like, you know what I have to

479
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say and they like the music, send me a message,

480
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connect and have a chat, and you know, it's all

481
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it's all gravy, it's all gravy.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you should spell your name too for our Americans

483
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who have no idea how to have no idea how

484
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to spell that.

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Speaker 3: So it's C A T H A L F I

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t Z. You'll find me there somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 1: Well, so in a moment, we're going to play this

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track enemy of Love after we let you go. It's

490
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been wonderful speaking with you. What should we know about

491
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this song? Is this the I know this is the

492
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previous single right right before pushing thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like this was like I would consider myself mostly

494
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kind of The stuff that I'm writing now is quite

495
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a bit more folky and a bit more stripped back.

496
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But again, I didn't want to tie myself to one

497
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genre because I think some people get to focus that

498
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I'm a focus singer, and I'm like, yeah, fantastic.

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Speaker 4: But I went into the studio with a song.

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Speaker 3: That had been fingerpicking at home with my guitar and

501
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my producer. I have to give him a shout out.

502
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His name is Keel, and Kenny is a magician. He's

503
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just he's so incredibly talented. And I went into him

504
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and I said, let's just make the funnest song possible

505
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we could out of what we have here. Yeah, and

506
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you know, he put down he got a drummer in.

507
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We put down some drums in it. I had never

508
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had drums on a song before, and I was like, interesting.

509
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He put some funky guitar on it, some funky mandolin,

510
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which is an Irish instrument that we use here, mandolin,

511
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And I just said, I went into the studio and said,

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the people, the session musicians, listen to the song once,

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whatever comes to you naturally, let's track it down and

514
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let's just make something fun.

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Speaker 4: And it turned out quite well. Like it.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit different to what the direction I

517
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kind of have normally for songs. But again, I think

518
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if you tie yourself to one genre too much, you'll

519
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become closed off to different types of music. Like I

520
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started listening to like rap again, you know. And it's

521
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not that I'm a rapper, but I think music there's

522
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so many different genres, but it all.

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Speaker 4: Says the same thing. It's expression, you know.

524
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Speaker 3: So I just said, you know, let's just make this fun,

525
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let's make it different, and you know it's it's done

526
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quite well locally, and like all this has happened really

527
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in the last year, so I'm not as happy with

528
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it as other songs, but I can also I'm so

529
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lucky that I was open minded enough to say, let's

530
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just go a little bit of a different route and

531
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see what happens.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I love it.

533
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Speaker 1: I think it's a great song. We're gonna play that

534
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for everybody in a moment call fits. Thank you so

535
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much for joining us today. This has been wonderful. Oh,

536
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by the way, are you where you do?

537
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Speaker 2: You have a show tonight? Are you playing anywhere tonight?

538
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Speaker 3: I'm playing again. It's a kind of local pub in Cork.

539
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It's called the Hideout. Probably not many Irish listeners here,

540
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but yeah, just my local, one of the local pubs

541
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in Cork. I'm very lucky that we're I live in

542
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particular like in Ireland, that there's live music like seven

543
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nights a week in multiple different locations, so there's no

544
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shortage of work. So I just bounced around the different

545
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pubs and small live music venues, excellent tunes, get some.

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Speaker 4: Money and go home.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. That's the way to do it, my friend,

548
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very very good. Well listen, thank you so much. We

549
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will definitely do this again in the future. Especially it

550
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sounds like you've got you've got a lot of new

551
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music coming, so we will. We'll have you on again,

552
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and you know, and we'd love to as you're releasing

553
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new music, we'd love to continue to kind of be

554
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your your conduit into the American radio market here.

555
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Speaker 4: So I really appreciate that.

556
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Speaker 3: In Ireland, in Irish we have a phrase which says

557
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gir of Mela mahagods, which means one hundred thousand thank

558
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yous to you. So it's been an absolute pleasure to

559
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have to speak to you as well, So I really

560
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appreciate the time and opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Oh wonderful. All right, very very good.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit this track Enemy of Love and we'll

563
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let you go call Hall Fits again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. You

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got it. Bye bye,