Speaker 1: Oh better that are.
Speaker 2: M hm. Trigger Warner. This podcast may include explicit content
Speaker 2: that will take you out of your comfort zone and
Speaker 2: make you question reality.
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to this second episode of Into
Speaker 2: the culti Verse. I have, of course my co hosts
Speaker 2: with me, Colby. How are you doing?
Speaker 3: Fantastic? Super excited.
Speaker 2: Don't be too excited now, don't get away from yourself.
Speaker 2: This one is actually gonna be a cool episode because
Speaker 2: we gave a little teaser in the last one. You said,
Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci with a smile, and I said, one of
Speaker 2: the og cults going all the way back to the
Speaker 2: beginning of time. So we'll see you volunteered as a
Speaker 2: tribute to go first.
Speaker 3: I did. I figured since you went first last week,
Speaker 3: it's my turn.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So did you look into the Solar Temple
Speaker 2: anymore after that episode? I did not, Okay, I did,
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to include for the listeners who
Speaker 2: may have went and looked up some stuff on the
Speaker 2: Solar Temple. I did find that Joseph Demombro and Luke
Speaker 2: Geri and their families they unlived themselves in their home
Speaker 2: in Canada.
Speaker 3: Canada, and Canada.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was France, Switzerland and Canada and they
Speaker 2: had timed explosives that went off.
Speaker 3: Well, Canada just loves helping people kill themselves these days.
Speaker 2: So is that where doctor Kavorkian was from.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Oh, anyways, I just wanted to add that as a
Speaker 2: cool tidbit because I didn't mention it in the last episode.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well I also forgot about Chuck Diedrich taking LSD.
Speaker 3: Is Chuck Diedrich from Michael Sennon of lat Week.
Speaker 2: You can't say his government name. His name is Big Daddy's.
Speaker 3: Big Daddy took LSD and it inspired a whole new
Speaker 3: twist on the game, and they called it the Trip,
Speaker 3: and he would like, make these people go three days
Speaker 3: without sleep.
Speaker 2: Was that in the sixties, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3: Was near the beginning, so definitely somewhere in the sixties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems like that was the thing to
Speaker 2: do back then.
Speaker 3: Well, he also was I don't know if this was
Speaker 3: MK ultra stuff, but it was Sidney Cohen overseeing these
Speaker 3: LSD experiences and he did one and then he wanted
Speaker 3: to recreate that without sharing the drugs. So anyway, that
Speaker 3: was a little thing I forgot last week.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you think the series is going good so far?
Speaker 3: I guess do you.
Speaker 2: Feel more educated already?
Speaker 3: Yes, you do. I've been meaning to expand my cold knowledge.
Speaker 2: You're right, okay, well all right, give me some tidbits
Speaker 2: on who and what you're covering today.
Speaker 3: My cult this week is Happy Science.
Speaker 2: And Happy Science Cult.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I had heard this one just briefly in passing.
Speaker 3: I had never really looked into it. It's you know,
Speaker 3: there's all sorts of podcasts out there that focus primarily
Speaker 3: on cults, and they tend to have it in there.
Speaker 3: And I'll just say from the beginning, little spoiler alert,
Speaker 3: this one does not end in death and destruction.
Speaker 2: But ah, come on.
Speaker 3: There's some weird shit along the way.
Speaker 2: No no bodies.
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy does die, but does he deserve it?
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't say so.
Speaker 2: But so it's sad and there's no body count.
Speaker 3: Never said it sad, I said it was happy.
Speaker 2: Well technically all right, So where does our story begin?
Speaker 3: In nineteen fifty six, July seventh, at seven am sharp,
Speaker 3: which this guy his name is.
Speaker 2: Why is the time listed?
Speaker 3: Because this guy puts a lot of emphasis on it
Speaker 3: and his name the boy that came into the world
Speaker 3: on July seventh of nineteen fifty six. His name is
Speaker 3: Rioho Okawa Okawa, and I don't think that was his
Speaker 3: birth name. I think he changed it somewhere along the line.
Speaker 3: But you know, he just kind of was an ordinary
Speaker 3: kid born in Japan, and when you look into his life,
Speaker 3: the stories are different if they come from him, which
Speaker 3: he had numerous autobiographies and lectures alluding to this. He
Speaker 3: was a fucking genius. He was loved by everyone. His
Speaker 3: parents were so happy and proud of him, and then
Speaker 3: you look into like other people's accounts, and he was
Speaker 3: kind of like insecure, and he really yearned for his
Speaker 3: father's approval. He had an older brother who many called
Speaker 3: a prodigy, and he was like a star athlete, and
Speaker 3: poor Riyojo was always in his brother's shadow, so much
Speaker 3: so that when he does talk about his childhood and
Speaker 3: in his autobiographies, he claims to be an only child.
Speaker 2: So he was born July seventh. Yeah, he sounds like
Speaker 2: a cancer emotional little.
Speaker 3: Dipshits no offense. Mom, that's actually my mom's birthday.
Speaker 2: Is it really? Would you say she's some bosts?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Not? Really, she's kind of like me. She doesn't get
Speaker 3: excited too easily.
Speaker 2: That's where you get it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm so emotional. He claims that he was
Speaker 3: the top of his class in grade school, which I
Speaker 3: didn't even know they kept track of that kind of shit.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Japan's different.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 3: He also said that his second grade teacher told him
Speaker 3: that he was as smart as a twenty year old man,
Speaker 3: and he claimed to have an IQ of two hundred.
Speaker 2: Would any of this verified?
Speaker 3: It was all verified to be bullshit, Okay. Like I said,
Speaker 3: there's two areas where you can look into his early life,
Speaker 3: and it's his version against the truth. The truth was
Speaker 3: he was not exceptional in school. In fact, he kind
Speaker 3: of struggled. He also did not have an IQ of
Speaker 3: two hundred. I mean two hundreds, Like you know, whether
Speaker 3: you think Einstein's real or not.
Speaker 2: Einstein and Stephen Hawking fucked, and somehow that baby, oh
Speaker 2: really like that baby fuck Tesla's baby, and then they
Speaker 2: and then that baby fucked Elon's baby. I don't think
Speaker 2: baby's fuck baby fucking. It's the product of baby fucking.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I know you're in the program
Speaker 3: to kill and all that, but that doesn't come to
Speaker 3: this story. So he was always kind of just in
Speaker 3: the shadows and not really popular. But also, you know,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he was bullied by any means, but
Speaker 3: he was a pudgy kid, and he was told that
Speaker 3: he looked like a suma wrestler because he was. He
Speaker 3: wasn't that tall, but he was very rot and he
Speaker 3: even tried suma wrestling at some point and failed at it,
Speaker 3: and that one's not easy to find. I did hear
Speaker 3: some people talking about it, and apparently he wanted approval
Speaker 3: so much that he kind of tried to live into
Speaker 3: the sumo thing. But we'll flash forward here a few years.
Speaker 3: He gets into high school. Of course, at some point
Speaker 3: he's not an exceptional student. To contradict what he would say.
Speaker 3: He got into college, but he had a gap year
Speaker 3: because he tried to get into Toko University and he
Speaker 3: felled the entrance exam, and I think he was shooting
Speaker 3: for some top tier major, but he took a year
Speaker 3: off and then he slid into the liberal arts program
Speaker 3: of Tokyo University. So he did get in, and that's.
Speaker 2: Where they put all the fat sumo kids with that
Speaker 2: are barely average. They put them in the liberal Arts program,
Speaker 2: making clay pops.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you can't get into a liberal arts college,
Speaker 3: I don't you're not even trying.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, is like, I know he's got
Speaker 2: this whole heart on for his own life, but it
Speaker 2: sounds to me like he was just a average Joe,
Speaker 2: well chubby Buddha.
Speaker 3: I would disagree, Well, you're getting ahead of me here.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 3: So he took a year off, got into the lib
Speaker 3: Arts program, and during his second year of school, he
Speaker 3: had what he called his first stage in quote awakening
Speaker 3: of wisdom end.
Speaker 2: Quote making Clay pots.
Speaker 3: No. So he was kind of the kid who walked
Speaker 3: around reading poetry and writing love letters to girls never
Speaker 3: received well. He started to model himself after some great philosophers,
Speaker 3: and Manuel Kant in particular, and he had this schedule
Speaker 3: where he would walk around writing poetry at three pm,
Speaker 3: and then by five pm he was in a bath
Speaker 3: house where he would sit for an hour and reflect
Speaker 3: on his day, and then he would go home buy
Speaker 3: a cheap meal and two books at a used bookstore.
Speaker 3: And he said he claimed that he read thousands of
Speaker 3: books in amount of time that isn't possible. So once
Speaker 3: again he's embellishing.
Speaker 2: So he liked bath houses, like Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess at bath houses sometimes you just go
Speaker 3: to actually do the thing that they're built for. I
Speaker 3: don't know. There was no talk. In fact, he was
Speaker 3: a little homophobic, which you know, you know my theory
Speaker 3: about that. During his third year he changes his major
Speaker 3: politics and starts studying in law, and he ends up
Speaker 3: failing the judicial exam.
Speaker 2: What's a judicial exam?
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it's like their version of passing the bar.
Speaker 2: So the can you just change your major from clay
Speaker 2: pots to law?
Speaker 3: You can do whatever you want? Really school, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I would just think if you were doing finger painting,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't then suddenly.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we were making fun of this guy
Speaker 3: early on, But I would say he wasn't an idiot.
Speaker 3: He wasn't a good student, but he's also very preoccupied
Speaker 3: by image and this grander purpose that he always thought
Speaker 3: he had for himself. He wasn't dumb. In fact, his
Speaker 3: dad really liked the philosophers, and they kind of had
Speaker 3: a religious household. He said that his parents loved both
Speaker 3: God and Buddha.
Speaker 2: Whatever that means tangent for a second. Sure, do you
Speaker 2: feel like I've interrupted you too much already?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Don't you ever feel like the people who say stuff
Speaker 2: like that about themselves are like the worst losers on earth,
Speaker 2: the ones who are like I knew from an early
Speaker 2: age I was gonna be somebody, and I was gonna
Speaker 2: be famous, and I was gonna do this, and I
Speaker 2: was gonna do that. And it's like, dude, you're a
Speaker 2: forty year old crackhead living with like ten roommates in
Speaker 2: your house, you have five listeners to your podcast, and
Speaker 2: you just knew you were gonna be Like why pat
Speaker 2: yourself on the back in this way? Like I've never understood.
Speaker 2: I've never wanted to be friends with people who talk
Speaker 2: about themselves like that. I've never identified with people who
Speaker 2: talk about themselves like that. It's just like, to me,
Speaker 2: it's a level of like psychopathy and like delusion. You
Speaker 2: knew from an early age you were gonna be somebody
Speaker 2: them and make them a psychopath. But that's how that's
Speaker 2: how the psychopaths think of themselves as like they have
Speaker 2: no remorse. They just think they should be able to
Speaker 2: get away with like literally murdering women.
Speaker 3: And well now you're like moving into a whole other category.
Speaker 3: There's a difference.
Speaker 2: Selves is like above everyone, like they're superior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean thinking that you have a grand purpose
Speaker 3: in thinking that you should chop people up in your baptob.
Speaker 3: Those aren't the same thing.
Speaker 2: They do think they're superior.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you just rode a slippery slope. I would
Speaker 3: say that some people have like superiority complexes and some
Speaker 3: people murder people. I don't think they're always hand in hand.
Speaker 2: Do you ever listen to a John Wayne Gacy interview?
Speaker 2: That motherfucker well literally thought he was like a god.
Speaker 3: Some of them just start cults like this guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you know what I'm saying though, right? It
Speaker 2: is like you ever met somebody who talks about themselves
Speaker 2: like that and you're looking at him and you're like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you talking about? Dude? Like, literally,
Speaker 2: where are you getting this idea? Like you're gonna I
Speaker 2: knew I was born to be famous? Oh really?
Speaker 3: Do you think there's people that thought that about Jesus?
Speaker 2: Did he say like because he said.
Speaker 3: I'm literally the son of man, I'm the son of God? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know, but I have a doing miracles and shit.
Speaker 2: He like backed up his talk. He was like walking
Speaker 2: on water and shit. I think I'd believe somebody if
Speaker 2: they could at least back it up.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we think that let's just say that
Speaker 3: he did, though.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that make you get on board? It would me.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh shit.
Speaker 3: Or you could just read a book that's really old
Speaker 3: where people say that he did that stuff and then
Speaker 3: you could believe it.
Speaker 2: Well, you're splitting hairs here.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm taking your argument and saying I
Speaker 3: never saw Jesus walk on water.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you remember that other cult that we covered
Speaker 2: that that blind half blind guy? Yeah, Okahara what was
Speaker 2: his name?
Speaker 3: Well he comes into this story too.
Speaker 2: No, but anyways, he had people convinced that he could
Speaker 2: levitate and stuff and that he was I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there weren't people with smartphones around when Jesus was
Speaker 3: saying this shit. And I'm not like throwing shade on Christianity.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying there's a lot of people throughout the
Speaker 3: ages who felt like they were destined for something. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say that makes them psychopaths myself.
Speaker 2: I've just ran into a few people recently. I guess
Speaker 2: you'd say that spout ridiculous shit off like that, and
Speaker 2: it's like, bro, can you slow your role? You li?
Speaker 2: You literally have ten listeners to your podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know who you're talking about, but I
Speaker 3: only had ten at one point.
Speaker 2: Yes, But what I'm saying is I've never identified with
Speaker 2: that mindset of like, look at me, everybody should like
Speaker 2: worship me, and everybody should congratulate me and look at
Speaker 2: how amazing I am. If anything, it makes me uncomfortable
Speaker 2: when people compliment me, because for me, it's always just
Speaker 2: been like I just want people to learn stuff and
Speaker 2: it's less about me and more about the information. But
Speaker 2: these people, it's the exact opposite. It's like their podcast
Speaker 2: isn't even very good, but it's like, buy my T shirt.
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna name names?
Speaker 2: No, okay, I'm classy.
Speaker 3: Well back to Reojo.
Speaker 2: Did he have T shirts?
Speaker 3: Oh? I'm sure at some point. I mean I'm sure
Speaker 3: at some point they had also merch with a beaker.
Speaker 3: So after his fourth year, or after his third year
Speaker 3: and failing the judicial exam, he switches his focus to metaphysics,
Speaker 3: and he couldn't get into graduate school because of his grades.
Speaker 3: So after he graduated, or an before he graduated, he
Speaker 3: took a job with the Toeman Corporation and they're a
Speaker 3: huge like stock trader kind of thing, and he gets
Speaker 3: into the finance world. So he goes from liberal arts
Speaker 3: to political slash law to finance and he gets a job.
Speaker 3: And while he's working there, he has what he calls
Speaker 3: and this is in nineteen eighty one, he has what
Speaker 3: he calls Buddha enlightenment, and he contacts a divine spirit
Speaker 3: and the spirit was Niko Shonen, who was like a
Speaker 3: well known Buddhist monk. And he feels the urge to
Speaker 3: grab a pencil and he starts channeling, and his hand
Speaker 3: moves and he writes good news, good news, good news,
Speaker 3: over and over. And when I was looking into this,
Speaker 3: I thought of Futurama.
Speaker 2: I don't know, is there a scene like that. I
Speaker 2: don't really watch Futurama like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Professor, he always says good news everyone. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 3: like every time he gathers them anywhere. That's where my
Speaker 3: mind went. It also went to psychic driving, where that's
Speaker 3: what I thought. He's having like a sirhan sirhand moment.
Speaker 2: Did he read Catcher in the Rye?
Speaker 3: Well, this was nineteen eighty one, so he could have.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: And he communicated for months, but with this spirit Nico
Speaker 3: just saying good names. No, I mean they had full
Speaker 3: on conversations, I guess. And he was told by Nico
Speaker 3: that he was to save the world by preaching a
Speaker 3: certain doctrine.
Speaker 2: And you don't think this crosses over into psychopathy.
Speaker 3: I mean you went from people wanting attention to chopping
Speaker 3: up people in.
Speaker 2: Their bathtub or people think in their Buddha.
Speaker 3: Aren't we all Buddha? Though? Anyway, Nico informed Riojo that
Speaker 3: his life purpose was to save the world by teaching
Speaker 3: love others, nurture others, forgive others. All right, so he's
Speaker 3: dusting off some classics here, but apparently he's going to
Speaker 3: be the one to change the world. In June, he
Speaker 3: was told by not just Nico, but of a list
Speaker 3: of old spiritual leaders that he was also channeling, that
Speaker 3: he should start a new religion, and he did. A
Speaker 3: month later his own father joined this religion, so he finally,
Speaker 3: you know, gets the approval of his dad. Congrats, and
Speaker 3: over the next few months he channels confucious Jesus on
Speaker 3: a popsicle stick, Christ shut up, Moses, Moses, and Noster Damas.
Speaker 2: My goodness, what a star studed cast of characters.
Speaker 3: And so how this is sick? Oh, I just doubted
Speaker 3: that his father would tape these sessions and he would
Speaker 3: talk to his son, who was no longer his son.
Speaker 3: He was channeling these old figures that I just listed,
Speaker 3: and they actually started publishing this shit. Now, throughout the years,
Speaker 3: he was said by some accounts, I've seen the number
Speaker 3: as high as twenty five hundred books that he published
Speaker 3: throughout his life. I've seen the numbers low as five hundred,
Speaker 3: but a lot of these were said to have been
Speaker 3: just transcribed and published. I guess seances were he's channeling
Speaker 3: these people and his dad's asking him questions. But yeah,
Speaker 3: to talk about that for a second. If you break
Speaker 3: the timeline down from where he started publishing until he
Speaker 3: stopped his it was like an average of fifty something
Speaker 3: books a year, and there was one year at the
Speaker 3: peak of this where he did one hundred in a year,
Speaker 3: and that would be publishing two books a week.
Speaker 2: Like pamphlets.
Speaker 3: Well, sure. I mean that's like some seances. Yeah, just
Speaker 3: his religious musings or his channeling sessions.
Speaker 2: And who's reading it just his dad, well, his followers.
Speaker 2: How many followers he's got.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to get into that.
Speaker 2: What year are we talking right now?
Speaker 3: So it started in nineteen eighty five, and it wasn't
Speaker 3: originally called Happy Science. It was like the Institute of
Speaker 3: Happiness Research or some shit, but he ends up changing
Speaker 3: it to Happy Science when it takes off. In nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty six, he gave his first sermon to eighty followers.
Speaker 3: By March of eighty seven, he was speaking to four
Speaker 3: hundred people. At the end of nineteen eighty nine, he
Speaker 3: announced that he was, in fact, the reincarnation of Buddha.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the Dhali Lama has to say
Speaker 3: about this, because that's apparently what he's supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: By nineteen ninety, he was speaking to packed houses of
Speaker 3: ten thousand.
Speaker 2: Is this verifiable?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Ten thousand?
Speaker 3: Yes, this part's verifiable. He claimed at certain points that
Speaker 3: he had like over a million and you can't you
Speaker 3: can't find the PAPERWCK for that.
Speaker 2: So he's the reincarnation of Buddha. But he lies, like
Speaker 2: literally all the time.
Speaker 3: Well, this goes on. He claims he was the reincarnation
Speaker 3: of many including like an ink in God, and he
Speaker 3: said from seven thousand years ago. Now if you believe
Speaker 3: in history, which you know, I think is kind of spotty,
Speaker 3: but that's another episode. The incings were like six hundred
Speaker 3: years ago, not seven thousand, so he kind of gets
Speaker 3: his numbers wrong. He was also the reincarnation of the
Speaker 3: spiritual leaders of Blumeria and.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I've Atlantis. I've listened to podcast episodes
Speaker 2: with people just like this.
Speaker 3: Well he also Canny Channel P Diddy. I'm sure he could.
Speaker 3: We're going to get into some of the people he changed.
Speaker 2: Just can't with this stuff.
Speaker 3: So he in nineteen ninety one, let's well, let's talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about the beliefs of this, because I
Speaker 3: didn't really get into all that. I mean, I did
Speaker 3: track some of it, but he claimed this is kind
Speaker 3: of like scientology. In fact, when you look into this guy,
Speaker 3: a lot of people call him the el Ron Hubbard
Speaker 3: of Japan.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, he acts like he's like Avatar, the
Speaker 2: Last Airbender.
Speaker 3: Well, oh, we'll get into Avatar. L Ron Hubbard was
Speaker 3: also a novelist before he became, you know, the grand
Speaker 3: master of scientology. But he'd published thousands of books in
Speaker 3: his day. Would I think there was probably a little
Speaker 3: bit more too what Elron was put nowt but in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety. Oh yeah, let's get into his beliefs. So
Speaker 3: he believed that there was a race on the planet
Speaker 3: Venus and they were told that there was a cataclysm coming,
Speaker 3: and the souls escaped and somehow made their way to Earth.
Speaker 3: I mean, this sounds a lot like scientology.
Speaker 2: It sounds a lot like the Law of One if
Speaker 2: you've ever read that.
Speaker 3: I never read it, I know about it.
Speaker 2: It was also inspired by entities that call themselves raw.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you want to get into more of
Speaker 3: the beliefs of the cult or religion of Happy Science,
Speaker 3: it's out there. They have very active websites to this day.
Speaker 3: You can go find all this stuff. But we won't
Speaker 3: focus too much on that. It's just very science fiction
Speaker 3: e slash scientology. There's even some Mormon stuff in there,
Speaker 3: like he believed there was nine dimensions of the afterlife.
Speaker 2: And Dante's Inferno type shit.
Speaker 3: Well, not necessarily. I think it's more like what the
Speaker 3: Mormons believed like the celestial Kingdom, celestial and all that shit,
Speaker 3: but you had to do certain things. And he called
Speaker 3: this to get to the ninth dimension, and this existence,
Speaker 3: this realm on Earth, is soul training. And so you know,
Speaker 3: I honestly a lot of this stuff I can see
Speaker 3: being possible, but he gets so weird with it, as
Speaker 3: they always do.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I just want you to know this is much
Speaker 2: more interesting to me than the Cinnamon Group. Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't know why, but it's just hitting me as like
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 3: Oh, it gets weirder just even.
Speaker 2: Though you said there's no body count, I'm already in tree.
Speaker 3: Well there is no body count, but there's some brushes
Speaker 3: with death. Okay. So when this thing first started in
Speaker 3: the mid eighties, he was a little selective on who
Speaker 3: could join. He had already written ten books about his teachings,
Speaker 3: and he would hand these books out to the people
Speaker 3: who wanted to join, and he would say, I want
Speaker 3: you to read these and then write an essay on
Speaker 3: what you think. So I mean, this is just him
Speaker 3: sticking his finger up his ass and smelling it like
Speaker 3: who's gonna love what I say? And so he would
Speaker 3: let in people that he knew were really into this
Speaker 3: enough to read the shit and then write an essay
Speaker 3: on it. And he was getting, like I said, he
Speaker 3: was getting some following. But by the time it's into
Speaker 3: the nineties, he decides, if you read our newsletter, then
Speaker 3: that's enough for me.
Speaker 2: He hasletter.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he had a newsletter, and if you were
Speaker 3: subscribed to it, then you were considered a member of
Speaker 3: Happy Science. So you see, like he's speaking to tens
Speaker 3: of thousands, and he's wanting this thing to grow. He's
Speaker 3: told by Nico that he's going to save the world
Speaker 3: with this shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's told by the hot air coming out of
Speaker 2: his ass.
Speaker 3: So in the March of nineteen ninety one, Happy Science
Speaker 3: attains legal status as a religion. And it's a little
Speaker 3: bit of a different process in Japan, but from what
Speaker 3: I understand, a lot of it's similar. Like he was
Speaker 3: getting tax exemptations and all that kind of stuff, tax exemptions.
Speaker 3: So at a festival in nineteen ninety four, he announces
Speaker 3: to fifty thousand people that he is el Canare.
Speaker 2: What's this?
Speaker 3: It's Spanish and it means he who sings. But maybe
Speaker 3: there's some translation here that I don't understand, but that
Speaker 3: is Spanish. Elkinari baby.
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you have mental illness, you
Speaker 2: just start singing stuff.
Speaker 3: So Elkentari is the grand spirit of the Terrestrial Group. Basically,
Speaker 3: he is not just Buddha, but he's all these other things,
Speaker 3: and if you translate it into our culture, he's just
Speaker 3: basically saying he is the embodiment of God from what
Speaker 3: I can tell. So, yeah, you mentioned Shoko Asahara, the
Speaker 3: cult leader of the Buckers that had VX gas.
Speaker 2: That was what when did we cover that in the
Speaker 2: nineties episode? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they come back here and this this wasn't
Speaker 3: mentioned in the research we did. But yeah, so apparently
Speaker 3: in post World War two Japan it was just ripe
Speaker 3: with all these new movements to start religions. I mean,
Speaker 3: they were a culture.
Speaker 2: So what was that guy's name, Shoko.
Speaker 3: Shoko, Shoko Asahara.
Speaker 2: So that was going on around the same time, right.
Speaker 3: Well, this was in the nineties and so in the
Speaker 3: early nineties Riojo, I don't know if he just mentioned
Speaker 3: this in passing or he went out of his way
Speaker 3: to say that that guy was no good and he
Speaker 3: was as soon as he did that this rivalry started,
Speaker 3: and it was basically it seemed like a rap battle
Speaker 3: like it wasn't you know, they weren't on down, they
Speaker 3: were just talking shit to each other. But nineteen in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four, uh Shoko adds Riojo to his hit
Speaker 3: list and they actually tried to put VX gas in
Speaker 3: his AC unit of his car. And just as we
Speaker 3: established when we talked about these guys before, they weren't
Speaker 3: the most efficient, they fucked up. I heard Janet deplorable
Speaker 3: Janet shout out to talk about how this shit's not
Speaker 3: airborne and that's the reason that this whole thing was
Speaker 3: basically just like a scare tactic that the stakehold Yeah
Speaker 3: so v specifically yeah VX gas the reason.
Speaker 2: So she brought up the stakeholds.
Speaker 3: She talked about this on I think it was cult
Speaker 3: the conspiracy actually when she was not her her little
Speaker 3: show she does heard show, No, she was just that
Speaker 3: came up somehow and she was saying it was a
Speaker 3: lot like the anthrax scare, like this stuff isn't airborne.
Speaker 3: You actually have to touch it. Many people to this
Speaker 3: day think that it's airborne.
Speaker 2: So isn't it odd? How like multiple things that we
Speaker 2: cover in our episodes and even other people like it's
Speaker 2: all like connected in some weird spiderweb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's crazy. No, it all connects when you
Speaker 3: look into enough of this.
Speaker 2: Yet thing about the Happy Science cult when you.
Speaker 3: Picked it, no, I didn't.
Speaker 2: So it's just like such an odd coincidence, if you will,
Speaker 2: if you believe in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had this major rivalry in Japan, like whose
Speaker 3: cult is the fucking coolest? Well, fuck you, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take you out. And that failed. And then he claimed
Speaker 3: that he foresaw this VX attack in the subway stations
Speaker 3: and or the seren gas and that he he warned
Speaker 3: the authorities about it, but they wouldn't listen to him,
Speaker 3: and it was just another way that he was grandstanding.
Speaker 3: But anyway, if you were going.
Speaker 2: To pick a cult to belong to, are you picking
Speaker 2: Rocho or Shoko?
Speaker 3: Rocho?
Speaker 2: What's his name? Rioho or Shoko? Who's your cult leader?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm obviously going with Happy Science.
Speaker 2: Really I'm getting I'll be a member of the Doom
Speaker 2: Mistake Cult. Okay, I want to be a member of
Speaker 2: the Doom Mistake Cult because they at least killed some people.
Speaker 3: Well, there was some doomsday stuff in the teachings of
Speaker 3: Rio Hoo. So he said, well, let's just call him
Speaker 3: Elkantar from now on, because we're far enough along in
Speaker 3: the story that that is what he goes by now.
Speaker 3: So Elkintari. He had very Japanese nationalistic views. He hated China,
Speaker 3: he hated Korea with Korea, and I mean, dude, racism.
Speaker 3: I have never seen such strong racism as Asians against
Speaker 3: other Asians. I mean Asian they hate each other. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm like generalizing just with the
Speaker 3: people I've met, but I have a cousin who's half Korean,
Speaker 3: and if he's ever called Filipino or Japanese, he fucking
Speaker 3: flips out.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy because it's like, how could you eat
Speaker 2: general soap chicken and not love the Chinese.
Speaker 3: Well, if we're going off of that, I.
Speaker 2: Don't like them, and I love sushi.
Speaker 3: Well that's Japanese.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, how could you pick between them?
Speaker 3: They're both rock I would go with Japanese.
Speaker 2: Food really sweet and sour chicken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck all that, Just give me sushi soup. Come on,
Speaker 3: I mean, all Asian cultures have their various forms of soup. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and saying I'm going Japanese.
Speaker 2: I'm going both. I don't want to juice.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was very nationalistic. He was told by
Speaker 3: some of the people he channeled, which we'll get into there,
Speaker 3: that China was a huge problem, the United States were
Speaker 3: a huge problem. I mean, being Japanese and thinking America sucks,
Speaker 3: I can totally understand that they fake nuked them twice.
Speaker 3: I mean they firebombed the fuck out of them. And
Speaker 3: he was told that he had to bring down America, Russia,
Speaker 3: and China. So Japan was actually, in his view, supposed
Speaker 3: to be like the superpower of the world, which they
Speaker 3: did try that at one point. Yes they do. We're
Speaker 3: just going to fast forward because this like goes through
Speaker 3: the nineties. In the nineties, not a lot of exciting
Speaker 3: stuff happened aside from his little rivalry. But you get
Speaker 3: into the late two thousands, two thousand and eight, and
Speaker 3: he shifts into like political views again, and he did
Speaker 3: sides to start his own party, and so in two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine he officially launches the Happiness Realization Party
Speaker 3: and he puts his wife in charge. His first wife,
Speaker 3: who was, as he claimed, the reincarnation of Aphrodite, of course. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you're the reincarnation of Buddha and Lumar and Jesus
Speaker 3: or lou whoever the Lumerian guy was, you got it.
Speaker 3: You can't just like get the fucking reincarnation of some
Speaker 3: fucking barmaid from Ireland. You have to you gotta go
Speaker 3: for Aphrodite.
Speaker 2: Hell.
Speaker 3: So this is in two thousand and nine. He puts
Speaker 3: her in charge of the party and they actually didn't
Speaker 3: do bad. They had some pretty close elections where they
Speaker 3: almost got some seats. They never did, but they ended
Speaker 3: up kind of like crossing streams with some other parties
Speaker 3: and they did get some huge attention.
Speaker 2: Was he like the Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3: No, he's the opposite. He's nationalistic. He's pretty pro fucking war.
Speaker 3: From what I could tell. He did say that they
Speaker 3: needed the nuke China, China and Korea, And to me,
Speaker 3: it's like, if you believe nukes are real, you're gonna
Speaker 3: just start chucking nukes at your fucking neighbors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's so peaceful in happiness and love. Remember
Speaker 2: such a This is what you got to admit that
Speaker 2: these people have a level of psychopathy. He's He literally
Speaker 2: started a religion, but behind what were the principles? Love,
Speaker 2: happiness and nurture each other forget, but he want yeah,
Speaker 2: and he wants to kill all the Chinese and Korean
Speaker 2: people just because. And he also hates America, so fuck
Speaker 2: them too.
Speaker 3: That's funny because he got into an exchange when he
Speaker 3: was working for that stock trading corporation and he got
Speaker 3: to live in New York for a while. And this
Speaker 3: is funny to me. This just shows his self image.
Speaker 3: He met a student who was Taiwanese and she was
Speaker 3: pretty high advanced in her classes and also spoke really
Speaker 3: good English, and he decided to drop out of the
Speaker 3: program because of that because him and she intimidated him.
Speaker 2: So this is what I'm talking about. They have like
Speaker 2: a God complex and they're like insecure little third people.
Speaker 3: Okay, third people. In twenty eleven, his wife, she started
Speaker 3: to see that this shit was getting out of hand.
Speaker 3: I don't know how she made it up to this point,
Speaker 3: but she and their oldest son, who were staunch members
Speaker 3: of the movement and the religion and the cold they left,
Speaker 3: and his son had a YouTube channel started saying, my
Speaker 3: dad's making all of this up. He doesn't believe in
Speaker 3: any of it. Y'all being played right, And I think
Speaker 3: he said it just like that, y'all bleed plage y'all
Speaker 3: and his riojo El Cantare he disavowed both his well,
Speaker 3: his ex wife is understandable, but yeah, he wrote off
Speaker 3: his son over this and it kinda There's not a
Speaker 3: lot now, but will fast forward to COVID. I actually
Speaker 3: do remember hearing this. This is probably the first time
Speaker 3: I ever heard of the Happy Science cult. So throughout
Speaker 3: the nineties they spread and their first like out of
Speaker 3: country base was in Honolulu, Hawaii. Not surprising there, Japanese
Speaker 3: people love Hawaii, and he ended up. I think they
Speaker 3: had shit in New York and overseas. I think in
Speaker 3: the UK they had some branches. Yeah, and they were
Speaker 3: businesses too, and they did have religious exemption in their
Speaker 3: home country. I don't know if that carried weight wherever
Speaker 3: else they went, but I mean they weren't small. He
Speaker 3: said they had twelve million members. When his wife left
Speaker 3: him and his son was talking shit. She also said, like, no,
Speaker 3: it's thirty thousand. There's thirty thousand members. I mean that's
Speaker 3: still pretty big, but no, twelve mili. So when COVID happened,
Speaker 3: they got attention because they protested the lockdowns and said that,
Speaker 3: you know, you can't stop worship, and I think New
Speaker 3: York they were protesting Japan and over in the UK
Speaker 3: the New York Times started exposing this cult for what
Speaker 3: it was. And you know, I don't you can I
Speaker 3: trust the New York Times. Operation Mockingbird's main arm in
Speaker 3: this country. But they did some good work exposing this guy.
Speaker 3: And this is the best part. They offered spiritual vaccines
Speaker 3: and anywhere from a sliding rate of one hundred to
Speaker 3: four hundred dollars, you would pay for this spiritual vaccine
Speaker 3: and they would just pray for you, and that was
Speaker 3: supposed to be enough to protect you.
Speaker 2: So you didn't know any of this when you said,
Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci with a smile, last time, did you?
Speaker 3: Well, I remember hearing about this, but it didn't click
Speaker 3: until I was researching it that they did get a
Speaker 3: lot of press during COVID.
Speaker 2: That is so freaking hilarious.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just said, Anthony, out you with a smile,
Speaker 3: because I am the science.
Speaker 4: Yes, you criticize me, You criticize science, and he you know,
Speaker 4: he's happy smiling. He's like, I have almost decimated all
Speaker 4: the homosexuals.
Speaker 2: So did they give you So if you paid four
Speaker 2: hundred bucks for a spiritual vax, would they give you
Speaker 2: a card with a smiley on it?
Speaker 3: Or he's probably a free donut in a Bloomberg or
Speaker 3: not Bloomberg. Who was the cheeseburger guy in New York?
Speaker 2: No, it was they gave out cheeseburgers.
Speaker 3: You don't remember. He's like, he's eating a cheeseburger during
Speaker 3: the press conference. He's like, you're telling me you can
Speaker 3: get a cheeseburger. It's ten am. Is it too easy
Speaker 3: for you could get this? Am? I? Is there a
Speaker 3: fry option? You don't remember that video?
Speaker 2: I was, you know what. I probably saw it because
Speaker 2: I was I was watching INFO Wars all during COVID,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure he had a peace on that. But
Speaker 2: do you I mean, I remember the dance brigades and
Speaker 2: that I'm vaxed, I'm waxed, and whatever the fuck else
Speaker 2: they were saying. But yeah, I mean, it was mayhem,
Speaker 2: it was madness. It was riding in the streets.
Speaker 3: Happy science was right in the middle of all that.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I thought you were gonna say, like, I
Speaker 2: was so sure you were going to say, like they
Speaker 2: disbanded in the nineties and that guy just went into oblivion, and.
Speaker 3: No, there's still this is still going on to this day.
Speaker 3: So he died two years ago at sixty six, which
Speaker 3: sucks because he kind of said when two years.
Speaker 2: Ago three twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: March second of twenty twenty three, he had some kind
Speaker 3: of heart.
Speaker 2: Thing, I think, and he was still in charge. Yeah,
Speaker 2: two years ago. Yeah, so this is like a recent cult.
Speaker 3: I think it's still going Who's leading them? I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: Somebody took up the torch and became Buddha and Jesus
Speaker 2: and Mohammed.
Speaker 3: Well maybe someone's channeling him.
Speaker 2: Oh my, my my, would you say Confucius.
Speaker 3: And yeah, nos Domises, the Lumerian god, the Incan guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, the fucking list goes on, it on. But
Speaker 3: I'm going to get to like some of the people
Speaker 3: he's channeled, and I expect you to have some pushback here.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so some of their tactics where he purchased
Speaker 3: an animation company and there's like I don't remember but
Speaker 3: ZIB Studios. No, it's not that high up, but I
Speaker 3: guess the animation is great, but the story suck, and
Speaker 3: it's just like prepackaged propaganda to jam happy science.
Speaker 2: They said Gibili Studios would have had a whole entire No.
Speaker 3: They had movies and anime ship made for for their message.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch any of them. I didn't think that
Speaker 3: was necessary. I'm kind of curious, though, I might go,
Speaker 3: like check some of it out. I just want to
Speaker 3: see what it is, because you know, I mean, if
Speaker 3: it's good, there might be some HINTI some tentacle.
Speaker 2: That stuff, that octopus depositor in the harems of twelve
Speaker 2: year old girl.
Speaker 3: I think you're confusing me for your second husbands. So
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you some of the people he channeled,
Speaker 3: and some of them you've already heard. Others Jesus, Moses,
Speaker 3: Mohammed Shakespeare, Allah Allah himself, Isaac Newton m mao mao,
Speaker 3: mm hmm. So he channeled the enemy, Winston Churchill, Random,
Speaker 3: Walt Disney, Stephen Hacking, Oh God, John Lennon. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: skip this one to save it for last, because there's
Speaker 3: gonna be questions. Socrates, Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: He's still alive.
Speaker 3: Good good catch. Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Vladimir Putin also
Speaker 3: still alive. He also has several books about Trump where
Speaker 3: he's channeled Trump. So what the way he gets around
Speaker 3: channeling people that are still alive, He's channeling their spirit guides. Honey,
Speaker 3: this now, this dude loved Donald.
Speaker 2: Trump, and did he cross dress.
Speaker 3: Trump's fucking stance on China? You know, kind of kind
Speaker 3: of checks out there. But yeah, where he's channeling. So
Speaker 3: I mentioned Margaret Thatcher, he had a fucking like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what I would call it, but it was
Speaker 3: like a sold out venue where he channeled Margaret Thatcher
Speaker 3: less than two weeks after she died, and she was like,
Speaker 3: I see that. The only way out of this is
Speaker 3: you got to nuke China.
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm paraphrasing. Freddy Mercury was the one that
Speaker 3: he that I saved for last really and when he
Speaker 3: channeled Freddy Mercury, he was like, Yeah, I did a
Speaker 3: lot of good in the world, but I'm only in
Speaker 3: the eighth dimension because I'm gay.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, stop it.
Speaker 3: Like I spread so much happiness and you know, I
Speaker 3: nurtured everybody.
Speaker 2: But I'm just believe in this stuff.
Speaker 3: Anywhere from thirtyzery to twelve million people depending on who
Speaker 3: you talk to. Gosh, well, so this is funny, he said,
Speaker 3: he he was. This just reminds me of South Park
Speaker 3: so much to trying to channel Michael Jackson and his son.
Speaker 3: This was before his son left, so this was probably
Speaker 3: after Michael Jackson died. I think that was nine, and
Speaker 3: his son and him had a falling out in twenty eleven,
Speaker 3: wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: His dad's a laughing stock.
Speaker 3: So he was trying to channel Michael Jackson or he
Speaker 3: was practicing, and he did they and he said that
Speaker 3: it sucked so bad that he was afraid he was
Speaker 3: going to make his son do it. And he was like,
Speaker 3: back then, I was so into it that I would
Speaker 3: have done it for him. But yeah, oh my, he's
Speaker 3: blaming that his dad knew this was all bullshit.
Speaker 2: So this is literally like the episode of Dead Celebrities.
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying South Part. Yeah, when Ike
Speaker 3: channels Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: No, it's like the only person on that list you
Speaker 2: didn't mention is Billy Mays here with the happy Science
Speaker 2: cult hate Chinese people and by this sham wow.
Speaker 3: So yeah. I mean, that's it in a nutshell, that's
Speaker 3: gist of happy science. I would I would suggest, you know,
Speaker 3: we could do hours and hours and talk about all
Speaker 3: the stuff I saw, but I tried to package it
Speaker 3: up neatly for Mike.
Speaker 2: I loved that presentation.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, I was like, I was, actually, Chaneline.
Speaker 2: How many happy faces are you giving it?
Speaker 3: Out of ten faces? I'd give it a seven, seven
Speaker 3: happy faces, happy scientific faces.
Speaker 2: What would have pushed it to ten for you bodies?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just it's interesting. It definitely peaked
Speaker 3: my curiosity. The more I found out, the more I
Speaker 3: wanted to know. But just as a whole, I mean,
Speaker 3: you got it. I don't know. As a cult, you
Speaker 3: got to check all the boxes.
Speaker 2: To be a ten dead bodies.
Speaker 3: For me, Cia infiltration, a jolly West sticking his finger
Speaker 3: up someone's ass at some point.
Speaker 2: At some point, I really liked that one.
Speaker 3: Don't thank you?
Speaker 2: Maybe I can get you to ten happy faces on mine.
Speaker 2: My cult is called the Sad Vagina Cult.
Speaker 3: And a member.
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 3: I'm a sad Vagina?
Speaker 2: Would you join a cult that was called that? Would you?
Speaker 3: I already said I'm a member.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not called the Sad Vagina Club. But anyways,
Speaker 2: this cult, actually my favorite, has a body count in
Speaker 2: the millions. Would you believe that your favorite hi body count? Okay,
Speaker 2: I just feel like you can't be an infamous cult
Speaker 2: without a high body count. But this one, oddly enough,
Speaker 2: I feel like, isn't talked about even though they've got
Speaker 2: a body count in the millions. So it's called the
Speaker 2: Thuggie cult. And they existed all the way back to
Speaker 2: seventeen sixty.
Speaker 3: You said, the beginning of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm going to get into that. So we're
Speaker 2: traveling to Bangalore, India circa the thirteenth century, where most
Speaker 2: of the debauchery happened. So before I get into this,
Speaker 2: you have never heard of the Thugie.
Speaker 3: I have, but I couldn't tell you where it came up.
Speaker 3: But what's wheird?
Speaker 2: Didn't come from, right, that's just like you've heard about
Speaker 2: it in Passing. Yeah, so in the thirteenth century, this
Speaker 2: is when they say he was the devil incarnate. His
Speaker 2: name was Burne. But yes, he became the leader of
Speaker 2: the Thuggie And according to the Guinness Book of Records, Burram,
Speaker 2: the Indian thug holds the record as the most prolific
Speaker 2: murderer who has ever lived. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: I thought it was Hitler, You would think.
Speaker 2: I don't think Hitler even has numbers as high, does he?
Speaker 3: No? Sam Tripley has a good joke that if you
Speaker 3: took up all the modern day genociders and put him
Speaker 3: on a basketball team, Hitler would not even come off
Speaker 3: the bench as sixth man. He would be like seven.
Speaker 2: I'm picking Burrom.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that he was the most prolific murderer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so he saw his murders as an act
Speaker 2: of divine devotion, and he led the Thuggie who were
Speaker 2: responsible for the strangulation of millions of hell plus victims,
Speaker 2: and it's referred to as history's deadliest cult. It's also
Speaker 2: on an episode of Ancient Aliens.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm all in now.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's just it's odd to me, how
Speaker 2: I mean, I watched they did like a five second
Speaker 2: thing on it on Ancient Aliens, but it's like what
Speaker 2: they got out of this and what I got out
Speaker 2: of this is? I mean? And you can tell me
Speaker 2: at the end who he thinks, right, But can I.
Speaker 3: Tell you now? I'm not a fan of Ancient Aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah know me either.
Speaker 3: When it first started, I would get really stoned and
Speaker 3: watch it. Even then I was like, hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Now Stephen Greer, Dimmi Levato.
Speaker 2: They're on Ancient Aliens or some shit like a spinoff.
Speaker 3: Well it's it's all Ancient aliens sake. And the one
Speaker 3: guys have that ranch in North Carolina, the blood SOEs.
Speaker 3: They're doing History Channel shit now too.
Speaker 2: Oh god, why don't somebody hire me? Is it because
Speaker 2: I have a foul mouth and I don't believe in aliens?
Speaker 3: They're damons?
Speaker 2: Well you know what, This is a side tangent, but
Speaker 2: that one show we was watching called Crimes of the
Speaker 2: Paranormal on Hulu, there is an alien episode that really
Speaker 2: got me stumped.
Speaker 3: Free plug. Yeah, suckers.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't usually jump on board the extraterrestrial train,
Speaker 2: but that one episode, I'm still spinning. I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened. You have to watch it. It's pretty cray. But so,
Speaker 2: there was a thuggie his name was Golum Hassen who
Speaker 2: was caught in the early eighteen hundreds, and he stayed
Speaker 2: that his accomplices believed that the thugs had existed all
Speaker 2: the way back to the time of Alexander the Great?
Speaker 3: Is that the beginning of time?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I say the beginning of time, but
Speaker 2: I feel like that's pretty fucking far back as far
Speaker 2: as colts go, don't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2: Probably should have. I'm not talking like Garden of Eden shit,
Speaker 2: but I'm like Alexander the Great, that's pretty far the
Speaker 2: fuck back. So you may be wondering, with a colt
Speaker 2: that's run on for that long, with a body count
Speaker 2: in the millions, where are the victims? They're buried in
Speaker 2: mass graves all over India and it's like Holocaust two
Speaker 2: point zero, like just a mass burial.
Speaker 3: So who was being strangled? Just anybody?
Speaker 2: Well I'm gonna get into that here in a second,
Speaker 2: but I guess you just anywhere you go in India,
Speaker 2: you could just be walking over huge mass graves of strangled,
Speaker 2: thuggy victims and that's just like a normal It's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, there's another mask grave over there.
Speaker 3: We are on stolen lands.
Speaker 2: But so, why in the motherfuck were they doing this? Right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So, according to colonial sources, Dougie's believed that they played
Speaker 2: a positive role in saving human lives.
Speaker 3: What's a colonial source?
Speaker 2: That's what the article said. Okay, what I just somebody
Speaker 2: asked a motherfucker and he was colonial, and he said
Speaker 2: that they believed they were playing a positive role in
Speaker 2: saving human lives.
Speaker 3: I always believe in the colonial source, yes, above all
Speaker 3: other sources.
Speaker 2: And he said they thought that without the thugs sacred service,
Speaker 2: Goddess Calli would destroy all of mankind. And a direct
Speaker 2: quote from Brahm is God isn't all for good and evil,
Speaker 2: and God has appointed blood for Collie's food, So feed
Speaker 2: thou upon blood.
Speaker 3: So why were they strangling? Shouldn't they be the chains
Speaker 3: on motherfuckers up? So if she wants blood?
Speaker 2: They said that these were blood sacrifices to the god Cali.
Speaker 2: And if you've ever seen depictions of her, she's got
Speaker 2: like fangs and like a long tongue that comes out,
Speaker 2: like a very serpentine look a tongue that comes out.
Speaker 2: And to preserve every drop of blood for her, they strangled.
Speaker 3: Oh, so they didn't want to spill them.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to spit waste anything.
Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to dig some of these motherfuckers up
Speaker 3: and see if they've been drained yet you said she
Speaker 3: had vampire teeth.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's got vampire teeth, and she's got like a long,
Speaker 2: serpentine like tongue.
Speaker 3: And so would anybody do is a sacrifice to Kelly?
Speaker 3: Or did they?
Speaker 2: They had a little bit of a moral compass. It
Speaker 2: was pretty loose, but I mean they tried to avoid
Speaker 2: killing women and children, but it tried. Yeah, they still
Speaker 2: killed a lot of women. And if they found that
Speaker 2: the children were moldible, they would just raise them and
Speaker 2: turn them into future thuggies. But they they tried not
Speaker 2: to kill women and children, but they still did sometimes,
Speaker 2: but it was mostly men in traveling like yeah, But
Speaker 2: so I wrote in my notes that I think it's
Speaker 2: interesting with everything we know about California, the name California,
Speaker 2: when californicates, I feel like that's gotta be something significant.
Speaker 3: I mean this today, I could.
Speaker 2: See that, like this colt has a body count and
Speaker 2: the millions, and they're doing this for this Cali. And
Speaker 2: then I mean, if you think about it, California, I
Speaker 2: don't know, that's where all the bad shit goes down,
Speaker 2: all the Laurel Canyons and the Sunset strips and whatever.
Speaker 3: The Bay Area, that's where Cali likes to take a bath.
Speaker 2: All the mc martin preschools and the Presidio base and
Speaker 2: the Zodiac Killer and fucking all that came from California.
Speaker 2: So the Thuggie were diverse, but it ended up expanding
Speaker 2: to Muslims and seeks all worshiping the one who fell
Speaker 2: from the stars and transcends religion. That's how they described Cali,
Speaker 2: and so they reportedly operated as gangs of highwaymen who
Speaker 2: tricked and murdered their victims by strangling. To take advantage
Speaker 2: of the victims, the thugs would join the travelers and
Speaker 2: gain their confidence, which would allow them to surprise and
Speaker 2: strangle a motherfucker with whatever they had handy, most of
Speaker 2: the time a handkerchief, sometimes a noose.
Speaker 3: Why can't they just use their hands?
Speaker 2: Because they're Indian, Okay, they gotta be ceremonial about the shit.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So one of the Thuggie would befriend
Speaker 2: the potential targets, even to the point of assuming their
Speaker 2: religion and accompanying them for a little while to assess
Speaker 2: their potential wealth and then eventually to.
Speaker 3: Do with it.
Speaker 2: Well, they rob them, these travelers for Kelly, Yeah, Well
Speaker 2: to keep the to keep the cult going, because there
Speaker 2: was they were there were so many of them, and
Speaker 2: they'd rob these guys and I mean.
Speaker 3: I guess, if you're gonna kill him, you might as
Speaker 3: well take the resources. Hell yeah, they also we're targeting
Speaker 3: more wealthy people.
Speaker 2: That's what it seems like to me, because it's like
Speaker 2: to befriended.
Speaker 3: Them for a while, then find out.
Speaker 2: Gain their trust. Yeah, how many scarfs they have? I
Speaker 2: don't know what's valuable to Indians?
Speaker 3: Curry?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was insensitive, it though I love Curry, I.
Speaker 3: Do too, Kurkumin, turmeric smosas.
Speaker 2: I love those.
Speaker 3: I like mimosas.
Speaker 2: I know you do. So Eventually, as one thug managed
Speaker 2: to distract the victims by engaging them in conversation, the
Speaker 2: other members who were tasked with killing, would strangle them
Speaker 2: swiftly from behind. After the murder, they sometimes mutilated the
Speaker 2: corpses to hide evidence, but always buried their remains, and
Speaker 2: although strangulation was their favorite and most recognized method of murder,
Speaker 2: they weren't against using blades and poison on occasion.
Speaker 3: Well, how would Cali drink the poison blood?
Speaker 2: I don't know. They did it though, So the poisonous
Speaker 2: ingredients which were prepared by the Thugie consisted of something
Speaker 2: called dietura. Mattel, shut up, it's called the Indian thorn apple.
Speaker 3: Well say it again. Is Detura's something else? Mattel de
Speaker 3: terra was like one of the old hallucinogen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it says. It says the Indian thorn apple,
Speaker 2: a poisonous plant sacred to Shiva with powerful delirient properties,
Speaker 2: which was used by the Thuggies to induce drowsiness and stupefication,
Speaker 2: making it much easier to strangle their victims.
Speaker 3: Oh, so they would get them tripping and then choke them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that cray, cray? Why not just it's like
Speaker 2: you said, why not just choke them out?
Speaker 3: Well, it'd be way easier to fucking the guys in
Speaker 3: a detera hole and then you choke them. It's probably
Speaker 3: way easier.
Speaker 2: Well, the reason why their main method of killing the
Speaker 2: victims was strangulation, but then they started using like blades
Speaker 2: and cutting them up and doing this thorn apple and all.
Speaker 2: This is because they're over this span of many many
Speaker 2: years that Thuggie had different leaders and they all kind
Speaker 2: of had their own signature move, I guess, and like Barram,
Speaker 2: he mostly strangled his victims to save the blood for Collie.
Speaker 2: But there were others who would use this thorn apple
Speaker 2: and strangle. Some of them had swords, some of them
Speaker 2: had would cut them up and bury the pieces. And
Speaker 2: I mean there were there were more. It was more
Speaker 2: than just Barram. But he was the most notorious because
Speaker 2: his body count alone was like nine hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: eight just him. So that's pretty cray crazy to me.
Speaker 2: He was arrested in eighteen forty and he was executed,
Speaker 2: but it was only after years and years so of.
Speaker 3: His body count because you said it was in.
Speaker 2: The millions, No, the Thuggie all together was so what
Speaker 2: was what was nine hundred and something alone?
Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why he's called like the deadliest killer of
Speaker 2: all time because even though the the Thugy cult as
Speaker 2: a whole, over the span of six centuries killed two million,
Speaker 2: Baram was responsible for almost a thousand just himself. There.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the thug.
Speaker 2: But it the reason why Baram is most known is
Speaker 2: because after he was executed, the Thugie disbanded. After six
Speaker 2: centuries of wreaking havoc across India, and today their reputation
Speaker 2: lives on obviously in their namesake, because it's a term
Speaker 2: that we use now to discribe like criminals, thugs or
Speaker 2: you know, it was even pop culture for a while.
Speaker 2: It was like a thing to be a thug.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But this is why I picked this cult and why
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting, because there's this side of this
Speaker 2: cult that ancient aliens in the History Channel will tell
Speaker 2: you abopaam and they killed two million and it was
Speaker 2: for Cali, Right?
Speaker 3: Can I ask about that, Like, what was the context
Speaker 3: of the alien ancient aliens where they brought these guys in.
Speaker 2: They said that Cali was ancient alien and that they
Speaker 2: had channeled her and that she requested of them to
Speaker 2: do this for her.
Speaker 3: So they're on board with this at the History Channel.
Speaker 2: Well, they're on board with saying that these they really
Speaker 2: channel They were channeling a very real extraterrestrial that was
Speaker 2: blood thirsty. A lot of the old gods were blood thirsty,
Speaker 2: though it wasn't just Cali.
Speaker 3: Your god Old Testament style.
Speaker 2: Oh come on, why out a job like that.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I agree.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like the aztects and shit with the
Speaker 2: blood letting and the cutting hearts out and shit and
Speaker 2: the strangulations.
Speaker 3: You know that people volunteered for that.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, is because they wanted to please
Speaker 2: the gods. They say that all the time in ancient Aliens,
Speaker 2: like it's like something to be proud of, like they
Speaker 2: were doing some good thing by doing that.
Speaker 3: Well, it is the history channel they like to plant
Speaker 3: certain seeds.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, this is where this is where cosmic peach
Speaker 2: and ancient aliens always diverges. And you can tell me
Speaker 2: what you think, right, Because they're saying that these thuggie
Speaker 2: were channeling Cali and that she was an extraterrestrial and
Speaker 2: she was blood hungry and she wanted all these bodies, right,
Speaker 2: that's why they say he did this for Cali. Many
Speaker 2: have actually speculated that this cult originated as assassins under
Speaker 2: the employ of one Brahman family, you know, the Brahmans. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: that shouldn't surprise anyone, seeing as how Kamala Harris isn't
Speaker 2: just black and Indian, but she's Brahman Like, this is
Speaker 2: like the royal bloodline of India.
Speaker 3: Well, I believe that just because of the Knights Templar
Speaker 3: shit that Kamala was into. Yeah, Nick from a colt
Speaker 3: rejects and headless giant, and I think it was more
Speaker 3: headless doing the presentation about this weird Knights Templar shit
Speaker 3: that they had their own police force and they were
Speaker 3: operating in Mexico. It's crazy like.
Speaker 2: Da Vinci code stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, so this Brahmin It's interesting because I read an
Speaker 2: article just on Kamala and it says many have dissected
Speaker 2: the presidential candidate's background this election, yet most ignore her
Speaker 2: cast cste cast and so I got to look it
Speaker 2: into it and it says Harris's family from her mother's
Speaker 2: side belongs to India's Brahmin caste. And it says, in
Speaker 2: contrast to the history of black people's slavery under white oppression,
Speaker 2: the history of Brahmin's is underwritten by centuries of enslaving
Speaker 2: many millions of others. They believe they are superior to
Speaker 2: literally all humankind through their birthright.
Speaker 3: Sweet.
Speaker 2: So there is speculation that the Thugie were under the
Speaker 2: employ assassins to the Brahmin family and that they were
Speaker 2: like exterminating people like literally like a genocide type thing
Speaker 2: since Alexander the Great, Well, if you.
Speaker 3: Go back to where you were talking about, it seemed
Speaker 3: like they were trying to rip or they were trying
Speaker 3: to wipe out rich people that were beneath them. No,
Speaker 3: I would assume that it was if it's the Brahmins,
Speaker 3: more like take out the competitors.
Speaker 2: But the reason why I say.
Speaker 3: That is why, I mean, blood is blood, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: if it's all the callie thing, But if you're talking
Speaker 3: about assassins, assassins for a certain dynasty.
Speaker 2: And why they were able to get away with it.
Speaker 3: Why would poor blood be any less valuable than rich blood.
Speaker 3: But if that's the cover story and there's you know,
Speaker 3: all this pillaging taking place, and they're like how much
Speaker 3: money do you make? Mm hmm, it seems like it's
Speaker 3: a little bit more leaning towards that.
Speaker 2: Well, And think about it, hunt, how many colts do
Speaker 2: you know that can run rampant this way for six
Speaker 2: centuries if they weren't like under the protection of someone
Speaker 2: on high. Yeah, I mean it's like, yeah, nonviolent colts
Speaker 2: can go on for a long time, several years, six centuries,
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, we just can't stop them. They
Speaker 2: just they just keep strangling people and poisoning them.
Speaker 3: That is giving Christianity a run.
Speaker 2: For its money six centuries.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, if you want to go to
Speaker 3: longevity there, But it's.
Speaker 2: The way that it's the way that it's presented to
Speaker 2: the public is that these were just crazy people who
Speaker 2: were doing this bloodlust thing for Cali.
Speaker 3: And then that would explain why the History channels leaning
Speaker 3: into that and this.
Speaker 2: Whole extraterrestrial bowl. And then you really start looking into
Speaker 2: it and it's like the Brawnan family is involved, Like,
Speaker 2: come on, this has got way more sinister undertones than
Speaker 2: just like some History Channel. Shit, I've never heard a
Speaker 2: podcast if.
Speaker 3: The History Channel comes in and shifts the narrative. That's
Speaker 3: what they do. I mean history in general, like mainstream history,
Speaker 3: is just that's what they do. So you get the
Speaker 3: History Channel and they're like, yeah, they were channeling Collie
Speaker 3: Eat More Popcorn, you fucking retards. I mean, it's the
Speaker 3: History Channel. But yeah, yeah, I didn't see it going
Speaker 3: this way. When you start talking about it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the whole reason why I think it's interesting.
Speaker 3: And so did you know that before you start researching it?
Speaker 2: I knew that it was kind of interesting based on
Speaker 2: the extraterrestrial angle, but then if you really look into
Speaker 2: it and.
Speaker 3: You find out and stuff.
Speaker 2: I didn't know about the Brahmin thing. I thought it
Speaker 2: was gonna be more like, I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: I couldn't get on board with the extraterrestrial thing, so
Speaker 2: I tried to find what the real angle on it
Speaker 2: could be, because they always obscure that, and then you
Speaker 2: find out what it is, and then it's like, well,
Speaker 2: this is way more fucking interesting than extraterrestrials. So you
Speaker 2: know that girl, I'm always talking about that. I just
Speaker 2: did an episode on Tuesday World. She's descended from the
Speaker 2: Boston Brahmins.
Speaker 3: Where are the Boston Bromins?
Speaker 2: So the Boston Brahmins were basically the Brahmin family that
Speaker 2: came to America and they're on this So jj Vance
Speaker 2: and I would both put them in the same category
Speaker 2: as the Rockafellers. They're like American royalty, but they're blood
Speaker 2: liners going all the way back. They like, came over
Speaker 2: on the Mayflower and shit like that.
Speaker 3: They like, and they established themselves in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So prominent individuals associated with the Boston Brahmins
Speaker 2: include President Calvin Coolidge and Franklin Roosevelt, poets Ts Eliott
Speaker 2: and Ralph Waldo Emerson, and statesmen like Henry Cabot Lodge
Speaker 2: and also Samuel Adams and John Adams, founding Fathers of
Speaker 2: the United States are also connected to the Boston Brahman lineage,
Speaker 2: and they have highlighted the group's historical roots, so it's
Speaker 2: like they're proud of it. And other prominent figures include
Speaker 2: John Kerry, the former US Secretary of State and John F. Kennedy,
Speaker 2: the thirty fifth President of the United States, who, while
Speaker 2: not traditionally Brahman, was associated with the group through family
Speaker 2: connections and wealth.
Speaker 3: Do you know the connections, Well.
Speaker 2: Didn't his dad get involved with a bunch of Boston
Speaker 2: stuff in order to get elected?
Speaker 3: No, it was Chicago.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was Chicago.
Speaker 3: But they are from I mean they're from Boston. They
Speaker 3: got that Boston accident. Yeah, they're Boston there that you know,
Speaker 3: Irish Catholic.
Speaker 2: That he was associated with the group through family connections
Speaker 2: and wealth. So it's like the Brahmins also started Harvard
Speaker 2: University MM and all of the it's like founding fathers,
Speaker 2: presidents of the United States, Kamala Harris, who she likes
Speaker 2: to pretend like she's not fucking Indian. And that's something
Speaker 2: that's always bothered me, is how she's tried to hide that.
Speaker 3: And she's always swinging.
Speaker 2: Towards the black part, because if people found out this
Speaker 2: weird stuff about the Brahmins and how they enslaved people
Speaker 2: for years, it would be a little bit contradictory.
Speaker 3: I think she would go Indian in certain groups. But yeah,
Speaker 3: she's typically claiming to be black, which her dad was Jamaican.
Speaker 3: But I don't think her dad was black. I don't know.
Speaker 3: We just looked it up and Kamala Harris's dead does
Speaker 3: look black to me.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: He don't look, you know.
Speaker 2: Very gently. Maybe he's yellow yellow.
Speaker 3: No compared my story most Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: She's Brahman. She is Indian royalty. If you look, actually,
Speaker 2: because I put it in Wikipedia, I told you all
Speaker 2: the Americans of the Boston if you look at the
Speaker 2: lineage of the Brahmins in India, it's like physicists and
Speaker 2: like high ranking government officials, actors, actresses. I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: There are there are well, I mean it goes all
Speaker 2: the way back in time. But I mean it's just
Speaker 2: they always managed to find themselves in like a high
Speaker 2: ranking position.
Speaker 3: And we'll look at the tech industry Indians. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying we're all worried about China taking over, but if
Speaker 3: you look at infiltration and that bill that Ramaswam kind
Speaker 3: of was in the Trump administration and then he got
Speaker 3: kicked out because I got to remember the name of
Speaker 3: the bill, but it was basically trying to get Indians
Speaker 3: over here to get into these you know, upper echelon positions.
Speaker 2: M Well, what do you think, like with this Brahm
Speaker 2: and Thuggie connection.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I just don't know very many colts who can rep
Speaker 2: six centuries of like just getting away with it mass.
Speaker 2: It's literally like.
Speaker 3: But the main guy, the main guy did go down eventually, Yeah,
Speaker 3: after almost filling a thousand people.
Speaker 2: They say he did, you know, it's like they always do.
Speaker 2: Though It's like, well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean I assume that after if he was under the
Speaker 3: employee of some super dynasty that once his usefulness were off,
Speaker 3: they would throw them to the wolves.
Speaker 2: Maybe, But you know, to me, it's like six centuries
Speaker 2: of this and uh, it's like the Indian Hitler. They've
Speaker 2: got mass graves just all over India of just hundreds
Speaker 2: of bodies of these the victims of this Thuggie cult,
Speaker 2: and they were just so elusive they could never be stopped.
Speaker 2: That just I don't know. To me, I smell fish
Speaker 2: when it comes to this whole. You think it was
Speaker 2: just blood.
Speaker 3: Blood letting, do I?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, Okay, well then we can be on the
Speaker 2: same page. I know that was a short presentation, but
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was short.
Speaker 2: I saw two other podcasts that covered the Thuggie and
Speaker 2: it was exactly the like, almost word for word, off
Speaker 2: the History Channel. They didn't even get into the extraterrestrial angle.
Speaker 3: They just said, I still don't see the extraterrestory angle like.
Speaker 2: That, that Cali was a flesh and blood fucking being
Speaker 2: that was walking around and fucking I guess, requiring blood sacrifices.
Speaker 3: Well, does that have to do with aliens?
Speaker 2: That they missed? They mistaken her for a god when
Speaker 2: she was just an extraterrestrial.
Speaker 3: Okay, but see that's what they do.
Speaker 2: In ancient aliens. You know, I did mention her in
Speaker 2: the I did mention Cali in the Vampire episode two,
Speaker 2: because that.
Speaker 3: Makes more sense than she's an alien.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like they say this this extraterrestrial just showed
Speaker 2: up when and it's like she doesn't even have any
Speaker 2: cool powers. They said she like killed infants in their
Speaker 2: crib and stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, if Ancient Aliens goes on long enough, my
Speaker 3: dog Dexter's asshole is gonna be an alien in some episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: With those poopours, they're running out of shit.
Speaker 2: They really are. Have you seen some of the stuff
Speaker 2: they've been putting out lately.
Speaker 3: It's like Kookie, it was always Cookie.
Speaker 2: Well okay, can we just say on a side tangent.
Speaker 2: When it came out, it was cool.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like bringing this pan spermiat all
Speaker 3: the rage shit to mainstream.
Speaker 2: I okay. Tell me though, when that first season dropped
Speaker 2: and they were talking about there's no way that slaves
Speaker 2: with ropes and pulleys built the pyramids.
Speaker 3: So it was Aliens.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm just saying I hadn't heard anybody say
Speaker 2: that on TV.
Speaker 3: You hadn't heard anybody say it on TV. But there
Speaker 3: was a lot of people like Fingerprints of the Gods.
Speaker 3: This was in the lexicon for sure.
Speaker 2: It's the Chariot of the Gods.
Speaker 3: Well which one is which I was getting mixed up?
Speaker 2: Well, they're both really good books.
Speaker 3: So Graham Hancock is Fingerprints of Yes, yeah, Chariots of
Speaker 3: the Gods, thank you, that's the one.
Speaker 2: I was Chariots of the Gods is that Van danikin Guy? Right?
Speaker 3: But this isn't an idea, that's just being recycled and
Speaker 3: dumbed down, and that's where the history chame.
Speaker 2: But that I think you're older than me, so maybe
Speaker 2: it wasn't and you're not very easily excitable, as we know.
Speaker 2: But when that first season dropped, I was creaming my
Speaker 2: fucking panties because I was in like fourth grade, and
Speaker 2: I thought it was so cool because it was stuff
Speaker 2: that like me and my mom had talked about but
Speaker 2: it had never been on TV before. And they were
Speaker 2: like showing like go Back La Tepe and and that
Speaker 2: one that was supposed to be Inca. I mean, I
Speaker 2: see the appeal and it was like, there's no way
Speaker 2: they could have carved these out. They would have had
Speaker 2: to have laser precision, and it looks like the rocks
Speaker 2: were melted and then like formed into play. And I
Speaker 2: was like what the fuck? This is amazing?
Speaker 3: Well, it just takes me back to another South Park
Speaker 3: episode where they're making fun of ancient aliens, and my gosh,
Speaker 3: they're like, there's no proof that aliens weren't present at
Speaker 3: the first Thanksgiving dinner and then they like show recreation
Speaker 3: photo of it and there's aliens with the Pilgrim hats on.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it that they push the alien
Speaker 2: thing super hard, but when you do look at these
Speaker 2: ancient structures, there's no way the story that history gives
Speaker 2: you is accurate.
Speaker 3: There's just zero chance just say it was aliens.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, before we started podcasting and podcasting
Speaker 2: was even a thing, we had ancient aliens. Whether you
Speaker 2: agreed with it or not.
Speaker 3: I agree with it, but I think there was way
Speaker 3: cooler shit out there. I mean, you look at the
Speaker 3: stuff that the History Channel and the Learning Channel are
Speaker 3: doing now, and it's these guys shitting their pants over
Speaker 3: ghosts that they don't see. Oh my neck got really hot.
Speaker 3: Do you guys see that red mark on my neck?
Speaker 2: Like it's an upside down cross on my neck? Just
Speaker 2: now they all want to get molested by ghosts. I
Speaker 2: love Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 3: I know, you do know it's fake whoa, that's on record.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's like, I think that Zach guy
Speaker 2: has tapped into some dark shit though. He's got some
Speaker 2: weirdness about him. There's a weirdness about him and a
Speaker 2: weird darkness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a fucking charlatan. Of course he's got weirdness
Speaker 3: about him.
Speaker 2: He's got weird He's gotten himself into like some weird
Speaker 2: stuff about like wanting to get possessed and like channel Yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Wants he wants to get possessed by your fat and
Speaker 3: dirty dollar.
Speaker 2: So come on, you're going off another South Park episode
Speaker 2: where they make fun of the gost.
Speaker 3: I don't think that guy's legitimate.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's legit. I'm saying yeah, but he's
Speaker 2: himself into some weirdness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he sold his soul to have a famous TV show.
Speaker 3: That's as far as I'll go with his weirdness.
Speaker 2: But so I think I Oh, and that the one
Speaker 2: guy off Ghost Adventure's wife tried to hire a hitman
Speaker 2: to kill him. I mean, there's some weirdness with them.
Speaker 2: He kicked one guy completely off.
Speaker 3: The show Drama.
Speaker 2: That was a long time ago, but Anyways, there was
Speaker 2: an episode where they met this crack headed guy in
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and his double wide.
Speaker 3: That's probably hard to do.
Speaker 2: I can't believe they even aired this episode because it
Speaker 2: was so hilarious.
Speaker 3: I can't believe they've aired any of it.
Speaker 2: They went to this this crackheaded guy in Oklahoma's double wide.
Speaker 2: Crackheaded guy, Yeah, and they they bought they got this
Speaker 2: Ouiji board out and he said he could channel the
Speaker 2: spirit of Zozo And they were all getting down in
Speaker 2: the floor and they were summoning the thing and it
Speaker 2: was moving all over the place and Zach and the
Speaker 2: guy's wife was clear that she started taking her pants off.
Speaker 3: What you did say he was a crack headed guy.
Speaker 3: Chances are he had a crack headed wife.
Speaker 2: He took off the seven eleven in the middle of
Speaker 2: the episode.
Speaker 3: She needs that slur gosh.
Speaker 2: Some of the early episodes were kind of just absolutely laughable.
Speaker 2: But they've they've improved, like the quality of the show
Speaker 2: as where they go to more famous places and they
Speaker 2: have I think they have people like throwing ship around
Speaker 2: and doing stuff so they.
Speaker 3: Can say, no, it's all real.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying they try to My neck.
Speaker 3: Got warm, did you, guys, do you see a mark?
Speaker 3: My neck is warm right now. Just as she was talking,
Speaker 3: my neck just started burning.
Speaker 2: What about your bee hole?
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd throw some bee hole into.
Speaker 2: Its paranormal activity.
Speaker 3: I've had paranormal experiences.
Speaker 2: Because if you're gonna say I have.
Speaker 3: The no, just because I fucking say that. The ghost
Speaker 3: adventures guys shills, I don't believe in paranormal activity. Well,
Speaker 3: if that's the measure, yeah, But having experienced my own
Speaker 3: paranormal shit, I do think it's real.
Speaker 2: Did you get molested?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 2: Did you see a ghosts?
Speaker 3: I've seen ghosts, yes, with your own eyes. Well, they
Speaker 3: weren't anybody else. I don't remember this. I was two,
Speaker 3: but my mom and my dad told me the story,
Speaker 3: and I do believe it. I've had out of body experiences.
Speaker 3: I know that's true, paralysis and astral projection. Shit. I
Speaker 3: believe all of this stuff. But I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: go on TV and say, my next burning there's ghosts
Speaker 3: in here.
Speaker 2: So because you've had like sleep paralysis and stuff, and
Speaker 2: you've some of the stuff you described to me sounds horrifying.
Speaker 2: It sounds like that hill House show we watched on
Speaker 2: Netflix with the bentneck lady. But or insidious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they tried to describe it and insidious. That's not
Speaker 3: what it's like to me.
Speaker 2: But sure, you don't ever get scared. You said you've
Speaker 2: had things come and sit on your chest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to get scared.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's been going on for years and I'm
Speaker 3: still alive.
Speaker 2: So you just stopped? Did they still come sit on you?
Speaker 3: No, that was early on. But I mean we can
Speaker 3: talk about that on one of your Friday Fright nights
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, so you believe in this, well, for sure.
Speaker 3: I believe in it. That's why when I see these guys,
Speaker 3: obviously they're hucksters and they're making a buck off of
Speaker 3: this shit, it's not convincing to me in one fucking iota.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 2: Is it entertaining?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I think it is.
Speaker 3: I know you do, And do you judge me? No,
Speaker 3: I'll make fun of you while you're watching it, but
Speaker 3: I watched stupid shit do well?
Speaker 2: You know? Just a shout out before I ask you
Speaker 2: a concluding question. Have you been liking that dan Ackroid
Speaker 2: show on Netflix? I think it? Or no? It's Hulu. Right,
Speaker 2: it's on Hulu. I think it's pretty good.
Speaker 3: What's it called Unbelievable, Yeah, it's I like dan Akroyd.
Speaker 3: I do think he's kind of slid into this useful
Speaker 3: idiot role, which he's dan Akroyd. I wouldn't judge him
Speaker 3: unless he was part of the club, which you know,
Speaker 3: du trou and all that. I don't think he's in there.
Speaker 3: I think that he's capitalizing on his fascinations which have
Speaker 3: become mainstream since he first started doing it. I mean,
Speaker 3: the guy wrote Ghostbusters. I love Ghostbusters, wanting too, the
Speaker 3: part where the ghost is giving him a blowjob that
Speaker 3: was based on a real experience he had.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I just like telling people what
Speaker 2: I'm watching recently, and we've been watching Crimes of the
Speaker 2: Paranormal on Hulu, which I think was good, at least
Speaker 2: most of the episodes.
Speaker 3: I started both of these shows while you were asleep. Well,
Speaker 3: I like him taking over.
Speaker 2: And we've been watching Unbelievable, and we've been watching The
Speaker 2: Fall of the House of Usher on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything Mike Flannagan does is worth checking out.
Speaker 2: I love it all. Midnight mass Hill House, I gotta
Speaker 2: get you to watch Blind Man or after this. But
Speaker 2: I did want to say, just as a little quick
Speaker 2: thing that's completely unrelated. I fell asleep watching the Vincy Code.
Speaker 3: That's what that's good for.
Speaker 2: And I woke up in the second movie was on.
Speaker 2: It's called Angels and Demons. It's the both of them
Speaker 2: are Ron Howard.
Speaker 3: But based on the Dan Brown novels.
Speaker 2: Yes, but so they got Tom Hanks playing the Robert
Speaker 2: Langdon or whatever. Perfect accething that I write something that
Speaker 2: I never noticed in the second movie that just quit
Speaker 2: conspiracy shout.
Speaker 3: Out toddlers and in the background. No.
Speaker 2: So the second movie is all about the Illuminati and
Speaker 2: they go back in time and like explain it all
Speaker 2: and like where the origins come from and like why
Speaker 2: it's significant whatever. During the movie, Tom Hanks checks his
Speaker 2: watch several times because it's like a pope's supposed to
Speaker 2: die every couple hours and he's always like checking his watch.
Speaker 2: He's wearing a Mickey mouse watch the entire movie.
Speaker 3: Oh, Ron Howard, and I so loved you.
Speaker 2: It's isn't that interesting to you? There's no way that
Speaker 2: was in the Dan Brown novel. Oh it was that
Speaker 2: he had a Mickey mouse watch that.
Speaker 3: Was probably Tom Hanks's suggestion, I'll do this sequel. I
Speaker 3: have to wear my Mickey.
Speaker 2: And then he goes on to play Disney.
Speaker 3: Another perfect selection.
Speaker 2: Didn't you Wouldn't you think that was his idea though,
Speaker 2: to wear a Mickey mouse Watch.
Speaker 3: Probably he probably was wearing it anyway, and he was like,
Speaker 3: why do I need a prop? Can I just use
Speaker 3: this right?
Speaker 2: Because they show it several times that he's wearing this
Speaker 2: Mickey mouse Watch. Interesting anyways, would you join the Thuggy Cult?
Speaker 3: No, but I do give it a nine out of
Speaker 3: ten Thuggies.
Speaker 2: Nine out of ten? What would have made it a
Speaker 2: ten for you?
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, Jolly West?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you're shooting for the impossible.
Speaker 3: There are some colts that will follow under this, I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, like, stay tuned for next episode. I don't
Speaker 3: think Jilly West is gonna make an appearance, but maybe
Speaker 3: in the bonus.
Speaker 2: So for my next cult. For the third installment.
Speaker 1: The cult is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight nine ten eleven words long is the name of
Speaker 1: the cult.
Speaker 2: They weren't trying to be subtle at all, like, can't
Speaker 2: you shorten it eleven words long?
Speaker 3: Sometimes? Is this a translation. No, so this is an
Speaker 3: American or at least Western civilization.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can't tell you any more than that,
Speaker 2: but I feel like if I were gonna, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think Thuggie happy sign in cinnamon. Uh well, what
Speaker 2: did I cover? Oh, solar temple. I mean that's shit
Speaker 2: that you can remember. You name a cult something that's
Speaker 2: eleven words long, you might as well just fucking give
Speaker 2: up before you get started.
Speaker 3: My hint is the phoenix rises only to get eaten
Speaker 3: by the viper.
Speaker 2: Oh Lord, that sounds ominous, ton is, Well, thanks for
Speaker 2: joining me for another amazing episode of Into the CULTI Verse.
Speaker 3: Well, let's see if people are amazed.
Speaker 2: Don't get too excited.
Speaker 3: Always do.
Speaker 2: And with that being said, there is one very important
Speaker 2: vital piece of information I need you to learn just
Speaker 2: as soon as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: Without going out of my dog.
Speaker 3: I can know things on without looking out of my window.
Speaker 3: I can know the.
Speaker 4: Ways of Mather, the father want travels
Speaker 3: The less one, The less one really no, oh