Speaker 1: Through money at Obo, never fear judgment, Day's purses never over.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's good satire.
Speaker 3: Huh ah, little in the guy at the vita alright,
Speaker 3: he god, w y.
Speaker 2: Don't you know that I'm love? Ah And they got
Speaker 2: choreographed dances to Joe that's my favorite part.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got dwarves dances.
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, you are cursed. At least the crowd's having
Speaker 2: a good time. Hunk guys, No, they're not.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 2: There's three people clappings.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Someone that probably makes a quarter of
Speaker 1: a million dollars. I thought this, wrote it down and
Speaker 1: was like this fucking rules. Let's put it through AI
Speaker 1: and make it even more fucking awful. And I have
Speaker 1: a theory Oh yeah, that that that person doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Well it's either that or the only maybe t k
Speaker 2: O or just a bunch of a w fans Just.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Manchurian candidate houses, is that what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, I've never seen two people jump
Speaker 1: over a shark at the same exact time. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh it's rough, man.
Speaker 2: Look at that crowd. They're just they're just into it.
Speaker 1: I I was playing like just random reactions to this
Speaker 1: off shorts and the chat before this came on, and
Speaker 1: it's like, I'd love to have a different angle to this.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have some sort of different perspective. But
Speaker 1: what do you what do you say about that?
Speaker 2: I mean, really say that, That's what I say.
Speaker 1: They were going to try to speed run embarrass the
Speaker 1: guy before Summer Slam. I remember you saying that that.
Speaker 2: Dan Housen was wasn't ship And here we go like
Speaker 2: he's the real deal, like all the fucking all the
Speaker 2: fanfare saying that this guy is a real deal, Like no,
Speaker 2: he's Look, even if he was, even if ann Housen
Speaker 2: really could have been the guy to bring back a
Speaker 2: lot of people to wrestling. TKO and the current WWE
Speaker 2: administration are not the people to handle him.
Speaker 1: No, not, no, no, they're not gonna let that happen.
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the meat of the matter, is
Speaker 1: that no matter how much something is gonna catch fire, now,
Speaker 1: the fucking corporate weirdo, fucking private equity firm that owns
Speaker 1: this shit is going to screw it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: It's kind of just as simple as that. And it
Speaker 1: feels so like it almost feels hackneyed having to say
Speaker 1: the same shit over and over again. But like, look
Speaker 1: at what they're doing, Like this is their idea of
Speaker 1: a segment where they said, listen, we we know the
Speaker 1: dan Housen thing is like permission to print money, but like,
Speaker 1: how can we just even stretch it thin to the
Speaker 1: point where people just go, Okay, this is a little
Speaker 1: this is a little fucking stupid.
Speaker 2: There's just no self awareness. That's the thing is, like
Speaker 2: they don't understand what makes Danhausen popular. They think that, oh,
Speaker 2: it's because he's corny and he has a catchphrase. And
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't think it was that at all.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't I think dan Housen I would
Speaker 2: say it was at least arguable in the beginning that
Speaker 2: he had a little bit of that Batista cool to him.
Speaker 2: Does anybody remember when Batista was cool? I mean, I
Speaker 2: know it's it's it's been a while, but there was
Speaker 2: a point in time when he was with Evolution and
Speaker 2: his character was really getting over with fans, not because
Speaker 2: he was falling in line with Triple H or wrestling
Speaker 2: with Rick Flair or Randy Orton or whatever. It was
Speaker 2: because that He was almost a nod to the fans
Speaker 2: watching this shit at home, for the people that were
Speaker 2: just sick of it, like to the point where he
Speaker 2: was just rolling his eyes during half of the promos,
Speaker 2: and people fucking felt that. They're like, yeah, this this sucks.
Speaker 2: At least the guy's work they think it sucks too,
Speaker 2: And Dan Housen was a little bit of that. He
Speaker 2: was a little bit of that meta energy that wrestling
Speaker 2: fans really do enjoy. They don't like it in big doses,
Speaker 2: they don't want to be told that all their shit
Speaker 2: is fake, but sometimes just making the reaction, making fun
Speaker 2: of how greedy the company is with the human monies.
Speaker 2: I think stuff like that is what people liked, because
Speaker 2: WWE will never come out and say we're really greedy
Speaker 2: and want all your money. But Dan Housen can, dan
Speaker 2: Housen can can be the little nod wink wink to
Speaker 2: how grossly fucking gross ww and TKO have become. And
Speaker 2: I think that was the fun of it. I think
Speaker 2: that was the fun of the character, and the fact
Speaker 2: that of course he brought in people like dom Or
Speaker 2: tried to bring in other people that was funny too,
Speaker 2: And then he got involved with the Knicks. And I
Speaker 2: mean at that point, I mean, I've been punched out
Speaker 2: for a minute, but I at least understood it. You know,
Speaker 2: hometown team finally gets a big win, and it's because
Speaker 2: this silly character said something. And there's nobody in the
Speaker 2: world that believes that Dan Housen actually uncursed the Knicks
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like, you're pretty fucking far gone if you're
Speaker 2: one of those people. But it was an amusement. It
Speaker 2: was something to mock and make fun of, and WWE
Speaker 2: capitalized on it. They're like, hey, you want to talk
Speaker 2: about our guys and bring up our company, Sure, why not,
Speaker 2: Dan Housing go everywhere, go everywhere the Knicks are, have
Speaker 2: your little parade, do whatever it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a little bit of fanfare. It was a
Speaker 2: little bit of a tourist trap, but a WWE tourist trap.
Speaker 2: And now, like you said, they've both jumped the shark,
Speaker 2: Joe Hendry, they've been cooling off for a while, and
Speaker 2: now they're trying to reheat this fucking month old pizza
Speaker 2: for some fucking reason, and they figured, you know what,
Speaker 2: why not put them with Dan Housen. And and I
Speaker 2: think on paper, Joe that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: But again, fans and crowds are not mathematical equations. They're
Speaker 2: not paper. And I understand the money is, but their
Speaker 2: love and adoration is not. And I think the things
Speaker 2: that people loved about Joe Hendry even are far in
Speaker 2: the past. I think the idea of this silly dude
Speaker 2: that came out there and smiled and sang songs and
Speaker 2: literally mocked his opponents in a very eighties innocent way
Speaker 2: was fun because it was making fun of the serious
Speaker 2: need we need more seth rollins, roman rage promos we don't.
Speaker 2: Sometimes a little bit of silliness is just is just
Speaker 2: enough of what we need. But now you're bringing them
Speaker 2: both out there. You're giving them choreographed dances, you got
Speaker 2: fucking you got DJ mixed beats in the fucking background,
Speaker 2: you got flying midgets and dancers with face masks, And
Speaker 2: it's like, what what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? This is not more as more? And also it's like,
Speaker 1: like you said, there, you're having silly team with silly
Speaker 1: to go after silly. Where where does the story deviate
Speaker 1: it as something that is supposed to be, Like where's
Speaker 1: the clash?
Speaker 2: You know, like you've made the Judgment came out and
Speaker 2: beat their asses.
Speaker 1: Like because they're big, serious guys.
Speaker 2: I think the bad problem was that I was I
Speaker 2: swore was the crowd cheering. I was pretty sure the
Speaker 2: crowd was cheering for Judgment day.
Speaker 1: They were saying like one more time and ship. But
Speaker 1: that's because they have no fuck there's no fucking heels
Speaker 1: and faces, it feels like to begin with. And then also,
Speaker 1: you just had people sit through this four minute long
Speaker 1: or five at least five minute long. I feel like
Speaker 1: cheesy ass thing that no one else is buying into,
Speaker 1: Like that's the type of corny that a heel is
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Because they're wasting your time, they're frustrating you,
Speaker 1: they're being in no Also, it's kind of just like
Speaker 1: arrogant and showy, like you're you dislike those things as
Speaker 1: a viewer, you know, oh, you have your own fucking
Speaker 1: you have the entire La Clippers dance crew coming out,
Speaker 1: and you have your own team of dwarves and shit.
Speaker 1: Like at some point it goes from being like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's funny because look at him. He's trying to make
Speaker 1: like a fucking robot time machine with a cardboard box
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh see how that's absurd, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, magically, now he has a dance
Speaker 1: team of dwarves and cheerleaders and it's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you guys once again have missed the point, right, you
Speaker 1: completely missed the point on why this even remotely work.
Speaker 1: And it's funny where you're like, it kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of like the Batista wink wink, nudge nudge. I
Speaker 1: think it's almost closer to the fucking Ellsworth thing, where
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm he's not supposed to be there, You
Speaker 1: get it, Like, that's the funny thing is like to.
Speaker 2: Some extent, maybe I mean be right on that one,
Speaker 2: but I always thought the Elswere thing was pity because
Speaker 2: when they stuck him out there against what was a
Speaker 2: bronze Strowman, and bronze Strowman practically just fisted him right
Speaker 2: there live on television.
Speaker 1: People people felt bad for him. I felt bad for him.
Speaker 2: I'm like, look at this, look at this little piece
Speaker 2: of shit.
Speaker 1: There's a weird looking white trash juggalo guy.
Speaker 2: He's about to go out here and get eaten alive,
Speaker 2: and he's got his two fists up. He's ready to
Speaker 2: fight no matter what. I'm like, look at the heart,
Speaker 2: look at the heart on this this shit smear, this
Speaker 2: fucking this waste of life.
Speaker 1: Well well, what's even funnier in that situation, now that
Speaker 1: you think of it, is that he is in many
Speaker 1: respects elsewereth That is, he's a better fucking wrestler than
Speaker 1: Dan Housen. I mean, it's listen, all controversies aside. He
Speaker 1: wasn't that bad of a fucking and ring performer. It's
Speaker 1: just he was so ridiculous looking, of course, and it
Speaker 1: was such a flash in the pan. But remember his
Speaker 1: match against heal aj or his series of matches against
Speaker 1: heel aj styles. It was like, that was fucking good.
Speaker 1: You'd never get that out of out of Danhausen. You
Speaker 1: just you wouldn't. And that's where it's like, what can
Speaker 1: we do with a character and how can we make
Speaker 1: it work and how can we get some longevity out
Speaker 1: of it and how can we bring it back? And
Speaker 1: it's like, honest to god, I don't know where they
Speaker 1: continue to go with this other than eventually, like last
Speaker 1: night was the start of the snowball, right, Yes, there's
Speaker 1: no heels. Yes, they're seemingly barely a fucking face on
Speaker 1: this show to be found. So whatever reaction you get
Speaker 1: is what you get. But when Dan Housen is getting
Speaker 1: beat up and it's not boot, like, he's getting beat
Speaker 1: up by a professional boxer, right right right, and like
Speaker 1: the crowd should be going, oh my god, the professional
Speaker 1: box is beating up Dan Houses that's horrible, Like how
Speaker 1: fucked up is that for him to do that? And
Speaker 1: instead to people are like, well, no, you you're fucking
Speaker 1: annoying because you just did that stupid shit for five minutes. Now.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to see you just get the
Speaker 1: fuck kick Doddie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah. Oh it's because it's just playcating to
Speaker 2: the lowest commons nominator of fan. That's why there was
Speaker 2: only three people in the audience that was clapping along
Speaker 2: with the song. And Dan's right, nobody know who the boxer.
Speaker 2: Nobody knew who the boxer was. Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a widely spread thing, but that's
Speaker 2: what WWE is doing now. They're trying to integrate as
Speaker 2: many entertainers and outside sports athletes into WWE. And I
Speaker 2: still think that the means to doing this is kind
Speaker 2: of what they've been doing for years. It's going to
Speaker 2: be your Dan Housen versus nameless boxer. It is going
Speaker 2: to be Joe Henry versus because it's not miss anymore, right,
Speaker 2: like missus kind of take him back seat. What are
Speaker 2: they gonna do try and hire Morrison again? I mean,
Speaker 2: why not they hired Baron Corbin. But it's kind of
Speaker 2: like it's one of those things that they always have
Speaker 2: to have this. I would not be surprised if there's
Speaker 2: some kind of interaction at SummerSlam with Dan Housen and
Speaker 2: some some media star, Like that's just it's we know
Speaker 2: what it is. We know that the only reason that
Speaker 2: Dan Housen exists now isn't even for your love. It's
Speaker 2: just for the attention of mainstream media. If Dan Housen,
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, Joe, if you had a
Speaker 2: Dan Housen and you somehow ran WWE, if you had
Speaker 2: a Dan Housen and you couldn't you couldn't sell merch,
Speaker 2: You just weren't allowed to sell merch with Dan Housen.
Speaker 2: What would be the next best thing that you do
Speaker 2: with a guy like that, same popularity, same mainstream appeal.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't allowed to sell merch.
Speaker 2: You weren't allowed to sell any march.
Speaker 1: O God set him on fire. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: No exactly, that's my point. You would literally feed him
Speaker 2: to animals for the crowd's approval. That's exactly what you
Speaker 2: would do if you can't vision.
Speaker 1: I'm not a shicko, but I wouldn't put him in
Speaker 1: tax and all that stuff. I'm just saying, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do. What would you other
Speaker 1: than you're right physically feed him, have him just get
Speaker 1: the shit kicked out of him in matches. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: think you just described James Elsworth. That's basically what you described. Like,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna sell James Elsworth's T shirts, but you
Speaker 1: can have him get the fuck kicked out of him
Speaker 1: by everyone, right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly what you do. What else can
Speaker 2: you do? So he has draw he has appeal. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're making money off the merch, but we know that
Speaker 2: that's that timeline is disappearing real quick.
Speaker 1: So only because they're only going to make the shirts
Speaker 1: more AI, They're only going to make them more generic.
Speaker 1: They're only going to be more and more and more
Speaker 1: abundant and more expensive, and you know, similar to the
Speaker 1: you know the old saying and wrestling you only need
Speaker 1: to see fireworks once a year. For a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you only got buy one shirt. You don't got to
Speaker 1: go buy fifteen fucking shirts. That was like one of
Speaker 1: the anomalies of a guy like Sina where there was
Speaker 1: that fandom, and a lot of it was because it
Speaker 1: was kids and it was people who were younger where
Speaker 1: they're like, I want to see in a shirt in red, green, banana, yellow,
Speaker 1: and fucking lime. Like there were people that did that.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do that with Dan Hausen, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know if people are gonna want
Speaker 1: to make.
Speaker 2: The people that I saw wearing all those different colored
Speaker 2: Johnsy and the shirts were also the guys that wore
Speaker 2: like the really expensive sneakers, Like they were the people
Speaker 2: that their outfit changed by the eye. So a guy
Speaker 2: like John Cena was right up their alley. It showed
Speaker 2: their pro wrestling love, their love of John Cena, and
Speaker 2: the fact that you've constantly had brand new shirts to
Speaker 2: change into something that people never saw before, Like I
Speaker 2: would say, is merchandise was probably one of his strongest
Speaker 2: assets more than everything else that he contributed for merch.
Speaker 2: Has anybody sold more merchant WWE than John Cena?
Speaker 1: I mean I would say, yeah, I would say, but
Speaker 1: then you're spreading that out, even for Holkster over there,
Speaker 1: you're spreading them out over forty years, almost twice as long.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing is with the Hulk Hogan, it was always
Speaker 2: the same three colors. Let's be honest. There's only so
Speaker 2: many ways you can wear well, no, I guess he
Speaker 2: had black and white for a while, but I mean,
Speaker 2: for the most part, there's only so many ways you
Speaker 2: can wear red, orange and yellow, you know.
Speaker 1: Right to the point where if you see the yellow
Speaker 1: and red and any sort of a wrestling environment, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a Hulk, that's a whole Hogan. If it's not
Speaker 1: whole cog and it's a Hulk Hogan, dupe, somebody's doing
Speaker 1: his shit, you know what I mean. But that's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's like, you're right outside of having him
Speaker 1: just seal merch, the only other thing you have is
Speaker 1: him getting beat up. But the problem is is you
Speaker 1: have to find ways to continue to make them sympathetic.
Speaker 1: But they're not doing a great job of that because
Speaker 1: the whole goofy thing he does, or it's like he
Speaker 1: stole all their moneies, he stole their human monies or whatever,
Speaker 1: which by the way, like I think I heard Alvarez
Speaker 1: saying it, or they've I don't know one of the
Speaker 1: fucking guys where they were like, yeah, but you didn't
Speaker 1: even see him give them the money. So it's just
Speaker 1: like this thing that we heard about, and now it's
Speaker 1: just been going on for like a month and a half.
Speaker 1: It just won't it won't fucking end. And they're like, well, yeah, kind.
Speaker 2: Laugh at the idea that Alvarez needs proof that there's
Speaker 2: money being transferred on television in order to believe this storyline,
Speaker 2: like Jesus christ Man serious, Well, you know what, they.
Speaker 1: Could at least the funny thing is in this moment.
Speaker 1: For all of the stupid, needlessly long drawn out shit
Speaker 1: that they put on these shows, the fifteen minute long
Speaker 1: breaks it takes for them to get seth Rawlins and
Speaker 1: Roman reigns down to the ring with the De Giorno
Speaker 1: pizzas ad fucking running over it for five minutes, they
Speaker 1: could show thirty seconds of Dom walking up to him
Speaker 1: with a suitcase and going, hey, man, I want you
Speaker 1: you know I heard that you have the ability to
Speaker 1: get that curse off people. And he's like, oh, yes, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: if you're hard rights and then he hands the money
Speaker 1: and then he runs away with it or whatever. It
Speaker 1: disappears that that is a thirty second. So they could
Speaker 1: have spared out.
Speaker 2: I guess it means that they would have to have
Speaker 2: somebody there to actually give them the thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: or whatever. They would actually need some kind of security.
Speaker 1: Where would they find that money? They could maybe they
Speaker 1: could borrow some of it from Mark Shapiro here, they
Speaker 1: can borrow from one of these fucking leeches that are.
Speaker 2: Just just have aerial. Just open up his wallet, you know,
Speaker 2: just here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about just even the idea of him opening
Speaker 1: it and only seeing a certain amount of money, him
Speaker 1: being like, that's a down payment, I'll bring you the
Speaker 1: rest or something. Does that anything?
Speaker 2: I think it's stupid. Even that shouldn't sell the angle.
Speaker 2: You'd need. You shouldn't need to see the money in
Speaker 2: order believe the storyline.
Speaker 1: The storyline is wacky and ship from the well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, the whole thing, the whole thing, sucks anyway.
Speaker 1: So at this point, it's like, do you want to
Speaker 1: see the trailer for the Son of Mask? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, like, what the fuck is?
Speaker 2: The trailer's on fire and you're complaining about the toilet
Speaker 2: being clogged, Like just the fu man, it's.
Speaker 1: The whole thing. The whole thing does completely suck, and
Speaker 1: that's and that's the problem. And like, to some extent,
Speaker 1: the only reason why I would defend them putting that
Speaker 1: and showing that for ten seconds is because if you're
Speaker 1: going to make this a month and a half long
Speaker 1: storyline where there's gonna be video packages, this, that and
Speaker 1: the other thing, that you want to have this stuff,
Speaker 1: It's like you do kind of need that, you know,
Speaker 1: if this was a throwaway one, because that's what you saved.
Speaker 2: That's what you say for important characters, that's what you
Speaker 2: say for people with actual storylines. Dan Housen is is
Speaker 2: tissue paper. You you wipe him, and you're done with him,
Speaker 2: and that's all he is. Like, as soon as they're
Speaker 2: done using him for all of his human monies, dan
Speaker 2: Housen's going to be hitting the ship bit. He's going
Speaker 2: to be debuting in TNA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I'm sorry, yes, So so nine oh five
Speaker 1: just drew that up here. I want to ask quick though,
Speaker 1: Oh was was that exclusive to the website though? Or
Speaker 1: do they put that on the show show? That's what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do because I'm just looking wrong. Was
Speaker 1: it on wrong? Okay? So I'm wrong, that's fine, But
Speaker 1: like seeing that at first, I was like, Okay. When
Speaker 1: it's as exclusive, I'm like, okay, or did you just
Speaker 1: is this one of those aw type things where you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. We put it
Speaker 1: on the fucking YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, oh Joe, it doesn't fucking matter if
Speaker 2: they showed the money or not. That's that's kind of
Speaker 2: the point, right, Like this is the culmination, is them
Speaker 2: going out to the ring with Joe Hendry and having
Speaker 2: a sing off competition with the crowd and midgets and
Speaker 2: dancers and nobody gave us shit, and they introduced random
Speaker 2: people to beat up fucking Danhausen so that they can
Speaker 2: have some kind of exchange in the future. Like it's
Speaker 2: just it's just everything I expected it to be, and
Speaker 2: it's just going down a little faster than I expected.
Speaker 2: I thought he would make it till the least WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: I thought he would get a full cycle. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this guy will finally do it, and by next WrestleMania. Uh,
Speaker 2: when he comes out there, it'll be It's it's already
Speaker 2: starting at Summer Slam. It already feels like it's gonna
Speaker 2: be this weekend. It's going to be people booing Dan Housen.
Speaker 1: And what sucks is yuh all right for him and
Speaker 1: what he does in the way that he presents himself
Speaker 1: and what the character is he's got to be looking
Speaker 1: at saying I can't say no to anything because at
Speaker 1: this point they're just printing money and handing it to me.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, I'm not even bothering opening up
Speaker 1: my fucking mailbox because you know what I mean like that,
Speaker 1: I'll just wait. I'll just start pulling checks out when
Speaker 1: they start fucking piling it up, like oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: probably like, whatever you motherfuckers want me to do, I'll
Speaker 1: just go do.
Speaker 2: Did you see their faces?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: No, seriously, did you see their faces? When Joe Hendry
Speaker 2: and Dan Houses stepped up, they both looked around like
Speaker 2: Joe hen He started and you could see that he
Speaker 2: was checking over his shoulder looking for anyone that was
Speaker 2: into this. Just can I please find someone that wants
Speaker 2: me to be here? And Dan Housen is a professional,
Speaker 2: I will say total professional. What did he do? He
Speaker 2: went louder, He got louder. If you're not gonna cheer
Speaker 2: for me, I'm gonna scream it from the top of
Speaker 2: my fucking lungs like I have nothing but respect for that.
Speaker 2: And you're right, that's totally a look. I'm going to
Speaker 2: catch the check, but then I'm gonna do my damn
Speaker 2: this in order to get this crowd into it. Joe
Speaker 2: Joe Henry looked like, uh, like there was a bus
Speaker 2: coming or something. But Dan yeah.
Speaker 1: Dan Housen's like, if I'm drowning, you're getting dragged down
Speaker 1: with me housing that's his fucking place with this. No,
Speaker 1: but that's it. It's like there's this part of you
Speaker 1: that you go to the the idea of where you
Speaker 1: just want to be like, man, just say no, But
Speaker 1: then you realize he really can't because he's not to
Speaker 1: be there. He's not supposed to be getting handed fucking
Speaker 1: checks for six figures. That's not where this dude that
Speaker 1: was doing like, let's call it what it was. It
Speaker 1: was like a comic con fucking meme act. When he
Speaker 1: showed up. My immediate instinct, obviously, because people know they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just negative or whatever. I'm like, this guy's a
Speaker 1: dead meme. That's what I assumed he was. I was like,
Speaker 1: this thing already blew out his asshole three years ago.
Speaker 1: Why are they going through the trouble of doing this.
Speaker 1: So I understand once again why he would look at
Speaker 1: them and say, hey, listen, anything you're gonna give me,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go out there and fucking tap dance
Speaker 1: because I want to be able to retire and send
Speaker 1: my kid to fucking private school. So I'm good with that,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, whatever it's gonna be, I'm great. Man, Like,
Speaker 1: if that's if that's what you need me to go
Speaker 1: out there to do, I'll go sell the fucking you know,
Speaker 1: fruit punch, housen, whatever whatever needs to be done.
Speaker 2: So we talk about anything else that happened un raw,
Speaker 2: or we just do an hour and a half of
Speaker 2: because I feel like you can still dissect this for
Speaker 2: another hour and a half. It's just so miserable and
Speaker 2: it shows such a lack of depth as far as
Speaker 2: the characters go. It shows a lack of ingenuity on
Speaker 2: the part of the company for these these guys who
Speaker 2: are literally printing money for them. Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what you do at this point. But yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Weirdness, Yeah, it's just a weird show. But like I know,
Speaker 1: like you said, we could talk about that forever. But
Speaker 1: the honest to god, the matches are with the exception
Speaker 1: of soul Ruka, which thank god they took the belt
Speaker 1: off her, get her off television immediately, please uh, with
Speaker 1: the exception of the matches being mostly fine. Aside from that,
Speaker 1: like the character work or the lack thereof, is the
Speaker 1: most interesting thing of the show.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that. That opening with Rock
Speaker 2: Lesnar and Oba Femi was painful.
Speaker 1: Fuck was rotten.
Speaker 2: It was painful. I would argue that that was the
Speaker 2: second worst thing on the show. And I know we
Speaker 2: haven't even got another Roman Reigns and Seth Robins thing
Speaker 2: that whole setup. I'm look, I know oba Femi is
Speaker 2: supposed to be the badass, but I hate the fact
Speaker 2: that they they bring him down. Oba Femi had a
Speaker 2: class about him. There was a class to him. Where
Speaker 2: when he got into the ring, that's where the savage
Speaker 2: beatings began. But they've got him at the point where
Speaker 2: he's threatening to kill motherfuckers. Now they close the door
Speaker 2: on a cage and he's like shaking the cage and
Speaker 2: freaking the fuck out. Now I'm gonna kill you. And
Speaker 2: it's like, this is not I don't I don't want
Speaker 2: to cheer for this guy. Fuck this.
Speaker 1: No, you're making them look you're making them look dumb,
Speaker 1: and you're making them look a rational by the.
Speaker 2: Way, idiot. And I mean, and and let's put on
Speaker 2: top of it the fact that Paul Hayman couldn't even
Speaker 2: talk for the first two minutes because of this shitty
Speaker 2: microphone that he had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know they're just running at a VFW
Speaker 1: all there, I get. I mean, that's what happens. You
Speaker 1: bring a shitty sound system to what is it the
Speaker 1: Clippers stadium or something. Yeah, fucking give me a break.
Speaker 1: Uh No, it's ridiculous looking at it. For first of all,
Speaker 1: you start this is what you start with, guys. Is
Speaker 1: there Did I miss the part where there's a weight
Speaker 1: limit for Helen the cell? Is there way ends for Helen?
Speaker 1: A cell? Like, I mean, I know it sounds like
Speaker 1: I'm really picking knits here, but like, why are we
Speaker 1: doing a way in for Helen a cell.
Speaker 2: Paul Hayman tried to close that gap in the middle
Speaker 2: of his microphone dropping out when he was bringing up
Speaker 2: brock Lesters UFC accolades. That's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: It was very it was very lights, very last minutes.
Speaker 2: And look, normally, if there was weigh ends for WWE,
Speaker 2: because they tried this before in a work to around Rustlemania,
Speaker 2: and I think even me and you back during the
Speaker 2: days when Wresselemania was a little bit better appreciated it
Speaker 2: thought it was an interesting addition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when it was a big show versus like Aki Bono,
Speaker 1: Like it's like, yeah, that's no.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't even mean that far back. I mean
Speaker 2: as far back as just like last year, Like there
Speaker 2: was a way that they handled it that that looked good.
Speaker 2: But this, this was cornball. This was cornball shit. First off,
Speaker 2: those weigh ins again, they happened during like the the
Speaker 2: I don't know, like the tour segments that WWE did
Speaker 2: before WrestleMania. You know, they start the pre show in
Speaker 2: WrestleMania in May of the last year or so. But
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those things. And I think
Speaker 2: the way that they set this up though, with the
Speaker 2: SummerSlam thing, it's just it was hokey. It was just
Speaker 2: such a bit from the get go. You got Adam
Speaker 2: out there in the ring already with a bunch of
Speaker 2: security guards for no fucking reason, you know, because oh,
Speaker 2: you're going to kill each other. Let them they're in
Speaker 2: a fucking cage. Where are they gonna go. Where are
Speaker 2: they gonna go, Adam? Not even go out in the
Speaker 2: fucking audience and kill the audience. I thought the reason
Speaker 2: that they were always so concerned about two fighters beating
Speaker 2: the shit out of each other was because of the
Speaker 2: damage that they would do to like random people, staff members,
Speaker 2: fucking employees, citizens like. That's what I always thought. The
Speaker 2: reason was not because two people that hate each other
Speaker 2: are going to beat the shit out of each other.
Speaker 2: Isn't that what everybody's paying for?
Speaker 1: Every fake boxing face off ends with the coaches between them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, every single one of them,
Speaker 1: is that it's the team. It's their team, you know,
Speaker 1: whoever it might be there, they're in the mix. And
Speaker 1: they're shoving and they're pushing or whatever the fuck it is.
Speaker 1: But this is just once again hilarious. It's like fucking
Speaker 1: Oba acab just him beating up seven cops at a time.
Speaker 2: I guess for no reason, it was just angry. I
Speaker 2: fucking I'm seriously really fucking reeling bad anything nice I've
Speaker 2: ever said about Obiam. I'm really hating this character. And
Speaker 2: brock Lesnar is coming off as such a fucking troll
Speaker 2: that he's almost a babyface in this one. He's calm,
Speaker 2: he's cool, he's collected, he's controlling this situation. Oba can't
Speaker 2: seem to outsmart fucking brock Lesnar, even.
Speaker 1: They're outsmarting him over and over over.
Speaker 2: And over again. I mean, brock Lesner looks like the
Speaker 2: baby face in every situation here, and I'm supposed to
Speaker 2: boom brock Lesner. Why is that exactly?
Speaker 1: Hey? Can somebody also tell me how you have eight
Speaker 1: adult men in a cage? I mean, if we're including
Speaker 1: like the cops and then obviously Triple H and Adam Pierce,
Speaker 1: who you'd think that they would be annoyed by this?
Speaker 1: Why are all of them okay with getting locked in
Speaker 1: a cage by Paul Hayman. They're all just okay with that,
Speaker 1: and they have microphones. I'm pretty sure, by the way, too, Like,
Speaker 1: don't you think triple H not that I want Triplation
Speaker 1: have more of a fucking role on any show. But
Speaker 1: he kind of runs this is the thing. Don't you
Speaker 1: think he would like grab the microphone and be like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you need to open that door right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know who you think you're messing with. I
Speaker 1: get you think you're messing with Oba, but you just
Speaker 1: can't come in here and lock the GM and the
Speaker 1: clo of the company in a fucking gauge, because if
Speaker 1: you'll like it.
Speaker 2: I was a little disappointed with that because the entire
Speaker 2: time that Brock got done locking him in the cage,
Speaker 2: he had the key in his mouth, Joe, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: just swallow the fucking thing. Just fucking swallow it. Swallow
Speaker 2: the fucking key.
Speaker 1: You must get it.
Speaker 6: You have to get it out of my poop now, Oba,
Speaker 6: you have to get it for my you have to
Speaker 6: get it for my fiercers. And I'm messing a piece
Speaker 6: of my call. And so that's gonna be a real
Speaker 6: that's gonna be real stinky.
Speaker 1: And he's just I guess that's just okay, though, Like
Speaker 1: that was the weirdest thing to me. I'm going, you
Speaker 1: know what if it was quite literally just Oba in
Speaker 1: the cage saying Brock lessner, get your ass out here,
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, this is the structure, this is
Speaker 1: what it's gonna look like, and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And then Brock comes out and he's like, yeah, it's on,
Speaker 1: it's on, because then he's the heel, and then he
Speaker 1: takes it away from the people by locking him in.
Speaker 1: I think you do the real face to face at
Speaker 1: the cage and they're just looking at each other and
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, you think you're you're calling her,
Speaker 1: you think you're a caged animal. Well I'm the beast
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah as opposed to him, like you said,
Speaker 1: then just beating the shit out of nine people for
Speaker 1: no reason, Like we're just like we're just supposed to
Speaker 1: be reminded again that he's tough. It's like, okay, so
Speaker 1: is this the new thing is once again no heels,
Speaker 1: no baby faces, and then we just emasculate the baby
Speaker 1: face at every point we can an idiot.
Speaker 2: I guess that's what we do, unless you're the baby
Speaker 2: face and you happen to be South Rolands. Like it's
Speaker 2: oba Femi has gone from an interesting, domineering, intelligent fighter
Speaker 2: to this chaotic, silly, weak minded, easily fooled buffoon in
Speaker 2: record time, like any of the allure that he had
Speaker 2: four weeks ago is gone.
Speaker 1: Yep, they're there and they're doing this to help oo
Speaker 1: Paul Hayman.
Speaker 2: Failure. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why, Joe, there's no there's no thought into the creative
Speaker 1: process on the show at all. And this is where
Speaker 1: you end up, like, you know, you have done a
Speaker 1: terrible fucking job at writing and booking your show. When
Speaker 1: Jay Usso was involved in the most coherent talking segment
Speaker 1: of your show, when the guy who's like a marble
Speaker 1: mouth fucking you know, maybe allegedly is that what I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to say, alleged guy might have a little bit
Speaker 1: of a problem with the bottle, When that's the guy
Speaker 1: with the bottle.
Speaker 2: They're actually really good friends and just.
Speaker 1: No, they got along swimming. I heard their vacationing together
Speaker 1: in the vineyard. Uh No, but like that's that's when
Speaker 1: you know, it's a serious fucking problem when everyone else
Speaker 1: does such a shit job that a guy who six
Speaker 1: months ago were like he is really known for being
Speaker 1: one of the worst talkers in the entire fucking company,
Speaker 1: when they put a microphone in front of him all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, for whatever reason it might be, maybe
Speaker 1: it's the midst of divorce, maybe it's the aforementioned fucking
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, but he's involved in the most
Speaker 1: coherent segment of the night. That's not good. That's an issue.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's like not a testament to him,
Speaker 1: that's a huge testament to La Knight, And I have
Speaker 1: to give a lot of credit, so let me tell you.
Speaker 1: And he is hunching his way out of that fucking
Speaker 1: grave they buried him.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think this is a short term thing. I'm
Speaker 2: not ready to throw my stones back into his court yet.
Speaker 2: Like he went out there and he trashed a lot
Speaker 2: of things that the fans feel about the Ussos and
Speaker 2: the blood line.
Speaker 1: But the crowd was also still a little confused because
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you're gonna eat and boris the death
Speaker 1: and then you just see like a bunch of people
Speaker 1: in the crowd to do the hands way because there's
Speaker 1: no fucking heels or faces, you fucking cunts. They don't
Speaker 1: know how to write the show out.
Speaker 2: The problem is now you have the wrestler trying to
Speaker 2: pull the seam punk shit in twenty twenty six. Look,
Speaker 2: I it worked for Solo on Monday. It worked for
Speaker 2: Solo on Monday. And there's been little little breadcrumbs that
Speaker 2: he's thrown out like that before. But I'm telling you
Speaker 2: now that it's become so front and center on WWE's
Speaker 2: alpha show, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dumbed
Speaker 2: down next Tuesday, next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Back or he eats the pin on the Saturday or Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're just that's that's it. He's come on,
Speaker 2: are you really gonna get that behind Solo now?
Speaker 1: Right? No, they're not gonna They're not gonna have him
Speaker 1: do anything. But it's but it's tough to watch because
Speaker 1: now WWE features some of these people so early and
Speaker 1: just you know, way before they're ready to cook.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like knows his idea, Joe before we even
Speaker 2: get there. He says he betrays l a night making
Speaker 2: him and his statements look even more dumb.
Speaker 1: Oh right, and then they're gonna drump what was it,
Speaker 1: dump the porta potty of hot big beans on him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, take take that. L A.
Speaker 2: Knight?
Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you consistently deliver on the show,
Speaker 1: be interesting and in the dating you must be punished
Speaker 1: for this? Or are they gonna do the old SWERVERERONI
Speaker 1: and have Royce Keys do it? Because remember him and
Speaker 1: Solo now excuse me, him and Jacob apparently go back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they add him in as a henchman, and then they
Speaker 1: go with the whole. They make him Sammy's ain without
Speaker 1: the ability to talk, where they're like, yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: not really part of the family, and they just reheat
Speaker 1: that again. Is that what they do?
Speaker 2: Roy's Keys is just happy to be their guy. I'm
Speaker 2: just very happy to be here. Thank you WWE for
Speaker 2: a great opportunity. I appreciate what you do for me.
Speaker 2: Thank you. My family has said, I appreciate you. Thank you,
Speaker 2: mister l. A.
Speaker 1: Knight.
Speaker 2: I appreciate all.
Speaker 1: Right, he's he's playing the tambourine. He's just in the
Speaker 1: back like fuck, yeah man, this breat I'm playing woodstock, right,
Speaker 1: now banging the tambourine like he's just he having a
Speaker 1: grand old time, to the point where they had him
Speaker 1: come out for like the last guy is the big save,
Speaker 1: the big save, And there was crickety crickets, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they have better luck.
Speaker 2: If they just gave him Papa shangos gimmick, right Halloween
Speaker 2: coming around, Just give him a stick to shake and
Speaker 2: a funny hat.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I don't know what what is a
Speaker 1: Royce key? Well?
Speaker 2: What is he was? Keys? I mean you lose them
Speaker 2: around the house, you know, sometimes they're in the couch.
Speaker 1: That's just well, you know what, how about this? Are
Speaker 1: the kids even gonna know what keys are anymore? Soon?
Speaker 1: We're already getting rid of them. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: we can't call him Royce keypad or fob Royce fob.
Speaker 1: That's not very good. I don't want to be that.
Speaker 1: That sounds painful, but right, yeah, I believe that it's
Speaker 1: a degenerator. If does he neuro muscular problem Royce fob.
Speaker 2: Danoul I don't pay a lot of money for that,
Speaker 2: Dan says, yeah, he Royce is a big guy who
Speaker 2: cries to Steph. That's what I want I want a
Speaker 2: weekly segment of Royce Keys showing up in Stephanie McMahon's
Speaker 2: locker room, just crying, just weeping, just.
Speaker 1: Trauma dumping on Stephanie Nick's my mom only cared about
Speaker 1: my brother. Man only cared about him. Man, I liked JA,
Speaker 1: So why did you say that about me? Yeah? Right, man?
Speaker 1: I thought we was friends. And it's like, Wow, something fresh.
Speaker 1: I thought we were friends. My favorite thing on the
Speaker 1: wrestling show. I thought we were friends. Don't show us
Speaker 1: the relationship, don't take time to build it. Just tell
Speaker 1: us there was a friendship there. We'll just believe it.
Speaker 2: Didn't you feel it was really weird that Solo opened
Speaker 2: up that second mint though, well he didn't open it,
Speaker 2: but he was the first one to come out there
Speaker 2: and respond about that segment. And he starts glazing up
Speaker 2: l a night and I'm like, didn't you two used
Speaker 2: to hate the ship out of each other.
Speaker 1: Well they've made steps to repair that relationship, at least
Speaker 1: the least save on that. Yeah, he's come out and
Speaker 1: saved his ass a bunch of times.
Speaker 2: That exclusive.
Speaker 1: No, I believe it's on that Sea show SmackDown. That's
Speaker 1: a show.
Speaker 2: Just trailing main events.
Speaker 1: All right, it's narrowly beating up. Well it technically is
Speaker 1: the Sea show next to the fucking the reality show
Speaker 1: on Netflix there. Oh yeah, I mean that's the most
Speaker 1: important show that they.
Speaker 2: Have, apparently unburdened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, unwatchable. I think that's what's when the
Speaker 1: best story you can tell on the show is how
Speaker 1: sad it is for Seampunk to lose his dog. You've
Speaker 1: really made a terrible fucking show too, by the way, Like.
Speaker 2: I didn't get an che to watch that yet, though
Speaker 2: we were talking about the Stephanie thing, Stephanie and uh
Speaker 2: seaham punk. I watched some of that and that was
Speaker 2: a little painful, But I have not sat down to
Speaker 2: watch Michael Cole and Stephanie. I have a feeling there's
Speaker 2: gonna be some there's gonna be a lot of coded
Speaker 2: language in that one, right, right, and.
Speaker 1: How they've both never done anything wrong in their lives
Speaker 1: and it's everybody else, That's what I can imagine.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking there's gonna be a lot of coding in
Speaker 2: that one. So even where the co host is like
Speaker 2: what huh and they're just like, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for Michael Cole. You know what, I
Speaker 1: what do you think Michael Cole is gonna do when
Speaker 1: he retires? I think he's gonna be fucking Maybe then
Speaker 1: will finally get a good version of him. That could
Speaker 1: be a possibility be a guy.
Speaker 2: Depends on how much he's in bed with McMahon still, Like,
Speaker 2: let's that's not even kid. I'm sure Stephanie and Michael
Speaker 2: both buried some of them bodies together.
Speaker 1: That's that has got to be the only reason, because
Speaker 1: you know, by TKO standards, they are overpaying him. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they are in their minds they want a
Speaker 1: dirt cheap, twenty something year old fucking girl that they
Speaker 1: can have on FaceTime that you know. Look, well that's
Speaker 1: why they brought in what's your name? Kathy Kelly and
Speaker 1: the fucking YSD girl because they were like, look, they're
Speaker 1: just you know, pretty enough girls that can hold the
Speaker 1: microphone that we could pay whatever the fuck one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty grand a year.
Speaker 2: Probably girls with microphones. That's what the fuck they are.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just.
Speaker 1: Essentially, yeah, they have three more facial expressions, that's what
Speaker 1: That's what they have. And you know that Michael Cole's
Speaker 1: making ten times with them. Oh, I got what.
Speaker 2: Do you think my Michael Cole's probably making ten times
Speaker 2: more than most of the locker room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, he's probab Michael Cole. I would not
Speaker 1: be shocked, like is.
Speaker 2: Making seven figures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I believe it. I believe it. Would
Speaker 1: you be surprised if Michael Cole was.
Speaker 2: But I think the only reason he's making those seven
Speaker 2: figures is, like I was saying, before him and Stephanie
Speaker 2: buried some of those bodies together.
Speaker 1: Vince signed that contract, uh huh, might be it. And
Speaker 1: Vince might have signed that contract with him saying, this
Speaker 1: will probably be your last one, Michael, because when you're done,
Speaker 1: you'll be like sixty five years old and you don't
Speaker 1: want to do this anymore. Right that was that might
Speaker 1: have been the thought process, and that very well might
Speaker 1: still be it. But you also like all to talk
Speaker 1: about them restructuring all the different people. Would you be
Speaker 1: terribly surprised to find out that Michael Cole was asked
Speaker 1: to take a bay up? I wouldn't be shocked in
Speaker 1: the slightest way.
Speaker 2: I think they would ask him and he'd say no,
Speaker 2: and they'd be like, oh, okay, that's fine, just you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: They might they might ask him, Yeah right, they might
Speaker 1: ask him. But also know that he's someone that, like,
Speaker 1: if he got out of the company and wanted to
Speaker 1: do some damage, he'd do a much more damage than
Speaker 1: a lot of the other people, not just because like
Speaker 1: what you said, but like where the bodies are very
Speaker 1: but he's quite literally to a generation and a half
Speaker 1: of wrestling fans, the actual voice of the shop.
Speaker 2: You know, I say that, but I think that even
Speaker 2: WWF proved or sorry, w W proved that when they
Speaker 2: got rid of Jim Ross.
Speaker 1: Yeah I saw Jim Ross was also so old at
Speaker 1: that point that I think a lot of fans are
Speaker 1: more forgiving of it.
Speaker 2: What about Joey Styles? I think ww has proven multiple
Speaker 2: times over the years, no matter how much love people
Speaker 2: have for announcers, they're all caught shit Joe Bobby Heenan.
Speaker 2: They got rid of Bobby fucking Heenan, and people didn't
Speaker 2: tune over to WCW for him.
Speaker 1: Well, those were also very different times. You got to
Speaker 1: remember that, I.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. Like, as an example, Cole is
Speaker 2: not better than Bobby Heenan.
Speaker 1: No, it's not better than a right, butche you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Right now, He's not better than Bobby heen I get
Speaker 1: a wheezy board and choose Bobby Heenan over fucking Michael
Speaker 1: Cole a roy right. But that's but that's it is, like,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a matter of who's better or who's
Speaker 1: best in the grand scheme of things. It's just exposure.
Speaker 1: Are the what are the audience seeing, what are they hearing?
Speaker 1: Who is the person that they associate with? Xyz. They
Speaker 1: associate Michael Cole with Monday Night Rod WWE because he's
Speaker 1: fucking ben that guy for twenty years now, which is
Speaker 1: insane because twenty five, twenty plus years ago until this day,
Speaker 1: the people that have been watching it this whole time
Speaker 1: have thought of him like a fucking goober. The weirdest
Speaker 1: thing in the world was when Pat Man used to
Speaker 1: get on and go fuck yeah, everyone loved Michael Cole, right,
Speaker 1: and the people in the crowd were like, woo, and
Speaker 1: am I who are those fucking people? Those gotta be
Speaker 1: the Disney Adult wrestling fans that are cheering for a
Speaker 1: Michael Cole Yeah, because everybody that would steal like once again,
Speaker 1: these the the people that they chased off from paying
Speaker 1: to go to these buildings, would never have had in
Speaker 1: a million years had somebody sit there and go, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: the legend Michael Cole, They would have laughed and shit themselves. Right,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? We fucking hate this guy. I
Speaker 1: mean because skunked all the way through the guys. The
Speaker 1: guys claimed the fame was being the Rock's coat rack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what he did. That's where he started from.
Speaker 1: The Rock would put fucking clothes on him because he
Speaker 1: didn't want to see his ugly face. They switched it
Speaker 1: over to Jonathan Coachman just because they wanted You feigned
Speaker 1: that Michael Cole wasn't a complete joke.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was the role. How about all
Speaker 2: the gimmicks that they gave Cole over the years, the
Speaker 2: uh what was it? The raw computer announcer he had
Speaker 2: to go up there with a laptop and talk to
Speaker 2: an imaginary computer that he.
Speaker 1: Was a deeal.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the orange fucking warning Owen Hart singlet Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Those were dark days, man. I was hoping, well that
Speaker 1: was happening, that that was his exit and they're like, nah,
Speaker 1: another fifteen years. I think, let's keep it going, Let's
Speaker 1: keep going with this. It's like, what the fuck? Why
Speaker 1: can't some of these people ever go? They just won't
Speaker 1: go away. Some of them they just will keep forever,
Speaker 1: and some of them they will just throw out of
Speaker 1: a window.
Speaker 2: Now, then, did Cole take over the Kevin Dunn spot,
Speaker 2: because I remember when we were talking about that, and
Speaker 2: Kevin Dunn was getting the fuck out because Vince mcfahm's gone,
Speaker 2: and obviously Kevin Dunn had a shit ton of power
Speaker 2: in the company, even more than what we knew at
Speaker 2: the time. And then they started consolidating all those different
Speaker 2: departments in the one and then he started to run
Speaker 2: even more control over it. Did Cole essentially get grandfathered
Speaker 2: Kevin Dunn's stuff?
Speaker 1: I think that that might play a role in it,
Speaker 1: But I also just think to the effect of it
Speaker 1: always goes back.
Speaker 2: I was in charge of way more than production at
Speaker 2: the end there goof like they were, Yeah, they were consolidated,
Speaker 2: they were closing down like the WWE studios and shit
Speaker 2: like that, and all those people got absorbed by the
Speaker 2: arms of Kevin Dunn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were getting rid of whole department. Son could
Speaker 1: be the guy. Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of like eventually people just start to believe
Speaker 1: their own bullshit and their own war right where it's
Speaker 1: like the bellies are a game changing professional wrestlers and
Speaker 1: the women's of it, and like anyone that was paying
Speaker 1: attention knows that's the stupidest shit they've ever heard in
Speaker 1: their life. But if you say it long enough, with
Speaker 1: enough fucking bass in your voice, apparently people will start
Speaker 1: to actually believe it and think it's true. So there's
Speaker 1: a good chance that that's what it is with Michael Cole,
Speaker 1: whether they're like, oh yeah, no Coals, Cole's fucking he
Speaker 1: knows all of it. Like it's even funny when you
Speaker 1: like Baily at one point she'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've learned so much from Michael Cole, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean she has.
Speaker 2: A crush on Michael Cole. I think I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think there's some kind of like budding friendship there.
Speaker 1: Natty issues thing. Maybe I don't know, I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2: It went past just being you know, silly like ring stuff.
Speaker 2: It got to the point where people were paying attention
Speaker 2: to them because they were constantly doing shit against each other,
Speaker 2: like it became a running gag even outside of the show, right,
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, well, what's going on there
Speaker 2: is this like uh Britt Baker Tony Schiavanni situation.
Speaker 1: No, maybe it doesn't not. I don't want to say
Speaker 1: daddy issue because then that just makes it almost sexual.
Speaker 1: But I don't think. I highly doubt that's the case.
Speaker 1: I don't think Bailey is a fucking Michael Cole. Come on,
Speaker 1: I just no, no, no, I'm saying like for my
Speaker 1: own I don't want people to misconstrue what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh, it's a daddy. Yeah, Bailey is
Speaker 1: just dogging it out with Michael. Please, that's about. That's silly.
Speaker 2: Eight inches sinking it into that fucking.
Speaker 1: Bad bunny just playing in the background in sense burning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 2: I go Cole, going deeper him.
Speaker 1: Sugar Wolls, she's sitting She's sitting there and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I I don't want to fuck any
Speaker 1: of these guys at the CrossFit Ship, but I really
Speaker 1: want sixty something year old yeah, Michael married Michael Gold.
Speaker 2: Who do you think she takes him with uh? With her?
Speaker 1: Aew, that would be fucking hilarious. That'd be great, that
Speaker 1: would be and And honestly, I found it really funny
Speaker 1: with that whole you know, big PAMs going to aw
Speaker 1: thing where there were people that were going, why would
Speaker 1: you ever want her to go there? And blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah bah. I'm like, because, well, first and foremost,
Speaker 1: TKO is such a fucking joke that it's not even like, well, Brilly,
Speaker 1: you're really missing the boat. It's like she's made probably
Speaker 1: a couple million dollars at least in her career, if
Speaker 1: not more. So, it's not like a money hurt thing.
Speaker 1: They clearly don't want to feature her. They see her
Speaker 1: as like old news passe. They're just using her in
Speaker 1: these random dumb spots, And she wants to go and
Speaker 1: get paid way more money, which I'm sure Tony Kahn
Speaker 1: will just write her a blank track because she's Mercedes friend.
Speaker 1: If she wants to go do that and wrestle a
Speaker 1: couple of their girls, what am I gonna say? You know, like,
Speaker 1: that's not even jumping ship. That's quite literally just taking
Speaker 1: a better paying gig for less hours for a better boss.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying Tony Kahn is a better boss
Speaker 1: in the sense that he's going to write you better book,
Speaker 1: you better put you in front of more people, but
Speaker 1: he's going to beat the shit out of you less,
Speaker 1: I guess to some extent. And you're also not going
Speaker 1: to live in constant fear of getting fucking asked to
Speaker 1: take a fifty percent pay cut. And also in this
Speaker 1: this seems this seems even crazier, right, And you're not
Speaker 1: contributing to some weird, fucking wwe TKO culture where they're
Speaker 1: going to constantly be fucking predatory and trying to scrape
Speaker 1: nickels off you, Which that's an that's bad enough. We've
Speaker 1: all worked, like we've all worked in the place where,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, it might have been a retail job
Speaker 1: or a restaurant or something where you were they bring
Speaker 1: in the boss or some new guy and he's just like,
Speaker 1: you're taking a piss. Make sure you clock out. What
Speaker 1: are you doing over there? What are you doing over there?
Speaker 1: I'm putting a piece of gum in But sure there
Speaker 1: was not on my time. You got time to chew gum,
Speaker 1: you got time to do something for me. It's like
Speaker 1: that's how KO perceives themselves to be. And as you
Speaker 1: get older that probably sucks even more so. Bailey going
Speaker 1: to AW probably a good call for would you how
Speaker 1: do you think? How do you perceive this? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I really don't care.
Speaker 1: You're like whatever.
Speaker 2: Zero fuck's given. Bailey is just a shark a long
Speaker 2: time ago. If she goes to AW, yeah, now you're right,
Speaker 2: we'll get to see matches with her versus beck Law
Speaker 2: or her versus Willow. You know, like there's definitely a
Speaker 2: a bunch of different women that she can have matches with. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's not going to jump start her career like that
Speaker 2: AW Sico narrative that you know she's gonna get rebored
Speaker 2: and eight, No, she's not. She's gonna continue doing the
Speaker 2: same stick for the for more money and less time.
Speaker 1: Like you said, as far as she's gonna change her name,
Speaker 1: and that'll be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's going to be Hayley, that's what she's going
Speaker 2: to be instead of Bailey. And there's not going to
Speaker 2: be any money made. There's not going to be new
Speaker 2: fans turning into AW because new fans for the most part,
Speaker 2: don't give a shit about the AW Women's division. Sure
Speaker 2: they'll they'll tune over to see her and Sasha reunite.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course that'll be cute. So you get, like,
Speaker 2: what a rating spike for a week or two. Thank
Speaker 2: god you paid her seven figures there, Tony, good job.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, dude, like if she wants to go,
Speaker 2: if she's going to go, and I know that that's
Speaker 2: kind of like what they're pushing as far as what's
Speaker 2: happening with her. Her contract runs out by the end
Speaker 2: of the year. But I saw a lot of fans going,
Speaker 2: why wait, why wait, just cut her now. It's like
Speaker 2: what four you know, like just litteral fucking Yeah.
Speaker 1: Honestly, either way, either way, it's clearly no effect on
Speaker 1: you care.
Speaker 2: About the wrestler. Let her sit in the next six
Speaker 2: months or whatever. Let her lick her fucking wounds until
Speaker 2: the contract runs out. When the contract runs out, she
Speaker 2: goes over to AW fresh. Matter of fact, it's probably
Speaker 2: even better for AW if she does sit her ass
Speaker 2: out till December, because then by the time that Russell
Speaker 2: Mania rolls around, AW can start featuring fucking Bailey again.
Speaker 1: True, No, No, you're right, because then they got to
Speaker 1: spread out some of these people, and honestly, like the
Speaker 1: idea of a where it's like AW shouldn't take a
Speaker 1: bunch of these people and like they should really feature
Speaker 1: like guys. Daniel Garcia is still being shown on this
Speaker 1: show regularly, Wheeler Judah's getting shown regularly on the show.
Speaker 1: They can do for a Bailey and a Shamus and
Speaker 1: a whomever to show up and add a little bit
Speaker 1: of seasoning to these shows, because it's like, oh fucks,
Speaker 1: Mike Pearly gonna come out and do a fucking Garate
Speaker 1: kick again. It's like, give me a break, and I
Speaker 1: saw like a bunch of the shit from the paper.
Speaker 1: If anything, we're back to the point where WWE and
Speaker 1: AW are like what they were when they first started,
Speaker 1: where you just wanted AW to at least be more
Speaker 1: coherent and more reasonable, because it's like, you guys could
Speaker 1: really actually help yourselves in some capacity, But they're never
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 2: They're gonna just keep praying that Mexico figures it out.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to abandon both of them, anti Na and
Speaker 2: just can Mexico please come through?
Speaker 1: Please, missus like, I'm fine, only gonna use that duo lingo. App.
Speaker 1: I gotta fucking do something. I need the Undertaker to
Speaker 1: fucking shay. I need the Undertaker to book a reasonable
Speaker 1: show and another language for me to watch, because it's
Speaker 1: just gotten to that level of dead dog it is.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not really bad, dude, at this point, I'd
Speaker 2: just rather watch the fucking commercial leading. It's just these
Speaker 2: shows are not doing us any favors. Raw was fucking rancid.
Speaker 2: So here's the only other thing. Sault Ruca and kel
Speaker 2: Raquel got the ship kicked out of her for that
Speaker 2: title that she took off a Soul.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Raquel just set of just whacking her at
Speaker 1: one point, I'm like, good, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah she got she got knead in the nose. She
Speaker 2: got kicked in the nose. Like, if you didn't tell
Speaker 2: me that Soul was a professional wrestler, I would think
Speaker 2: she was doing that sh it on purpose.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, And is she.
Speaker 2: Really that unsafe or or I mean that was two
Speaker 2: major targeted shots to the nose, Like that's not a
Speaker 2: receipt for something that seems like some old school shit, right.
Speaker 1: Well, that's when Raquel started hitting her back of right, right, but.
Speaker 2: It's like once is an accident, two solid shots right
Speaker 2: in front of the camera.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, come on man, that's also nerves, Like that's
Speaker 1: another part of it too, where it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not one to hold my tongue either way.
Speaker 1: And uh, this is definitely a situation where I'm kind
Speaker 1: of the soul ruka thing. It's it's done, it's done.
Speaker 1: Take it off television, send her back Annix to retool her,
Speaker 1: because this is fucking bad. She has been genuinely bad
Speaker 1: since she debuted on the main roster. Not like oh
Speaker 1: she's learning, or oh she's got to figure it out,
Speaker 1: or oh this is bringing around. She has been truly
Speaker 1: fucking rotten since she came up from Orlando, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and well that's happening. I'm thinking to myself once again,
Speaker 1: doing I guess the smart Internet whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it. Guy, the voice in my head though, where
Speaker 1: I go, well, do you have people that are ready?
Speaker 1: It's like Creative has exactly you fucking dick on a
Speaker 1: plate for Jordan Grace. Nothing for Jordan Grace at all.
Speaker 1: I'm not a result. I'm not by the way both
Speaker 1: you and I were not like Jordan Grace super fans.
Speaker 1: But you're telling me that she couldn't go on television
Speaker 1: and give you something more fucking palatable and watchable.
Speaker 2: They don't see anything positive with her. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: WWE has had so many talented women that they just
Speaker 2: let slip through their fingers. I mean, they could have
Speaker 2: had the career of Mercedes Martinez running around in WWE
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: You could have give her three years at least, given
Speaker 1: her at least two or three years like something. It's
Speaker 1: it's very, very weird where we're at this point where
Speaker 1: it used to just always be WWE is gonna push
Speaker 1: the big fat parroits, like that was the thing we
Speaker 1: just knew. Like it was like, oh, why isn't this
Speaker 1: one likes better looking big fat parents, even Marie Times right, Like,
Speaker 1: oh why is even Mariga featured on TV instead of
Speaker 1: dot Mercedes Martinez. Oh, big fat parro tits and plastic face,
Speaker 1: and that's what they want right now. They're all attractive,
Speaker 1: and so you just hit this wall. You're like, so
Speaker 1: we're just picking people that don't know what they're doing
Speaker 1: and aren't ready for no reason. Then just for no reason.
Speaker 1: It's not like one is so much? Do you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like, it's like not, It's not like
Speaker 1: you're going in and you're seeing somebody. You're going listen,
Speaker 1: we're picking up people for the modern modeling catalogs and
Speaker 1: this girl's a four and this one's a tag or
Speaker 1: you know, like we're not at that point. Hey, we
Speaker 1: got to pick a guy for main event. One of
Speaker 1: them looks like Mason Rook and the other one looks
Speaker 1: like Roman Reigns. We're dealing with the solid set of
Speaker 1: like seven's to seven to tens. Dare I even say
Speaker 1: eight to tens at almost all points? And then you're
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, but what if we pick the ones
Speaker 1: that don't know what they're doing? That just let's just
Speaker 1: roll with those ones that aren't any good.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's partly because of how they interact
Speaker 2: in the back. I wonder maybe that's it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just a personality thing.
Speaker 2: Well that's what it is like at this point. It's
Speaker 2: not even you don't have to be good at your job,
Speaker 2: you just have to be good at your boss. And yeah, right,
Speaker 2: it might be one of those things like we always
Speaker 2: joke about Jade Cargo, How the fuck is she still
Speaker 2: out there? She might be the most lovable person in
Speaker 2: the back.
Speaker 1: She might They must her Naya, You're right, some of
Speaker 1: these mighty.
Speaker 2: Must glaze, these these corporate egos so well know how
Speaker 2: to like really lift those guys up and make them
Speaker 2: feel like a million bucks that they wouldn't even think
Speaker 2: about letting them go.
Speaker 1: Michael Hayes, Oh god, can you imagine the fucking shit?
Speaker 2: That's got to be easy, Michael Hayes has got to
Speaker 2: be easy, ego. I'm talking about these corporate guys, the
Speaker 2: shifty ones, the ones that know better, like you have
Speaker 2: to be smart. Michael Hayes is like, you gotta you
Speaker 2: gotta really gorgeous suit there, Michael, Oh yeah, you like it?
Speaker 2: This seer sucker soon Well, I got all right, dude, It's.
Speaker 1: Like all right. On a scale of one to twenty,
Speaker 1: what level of fucking gross ass shit has Michael Hayes
Speaker 1: said about Jade Cargole That wouldn't fly at twenty.
Speaker 2: Twenty, twenty twenty, I'm gonna go twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: How many times do you think he has you is
Speaker 1: the word chocolate in a positive way about Jane Cargo.
Speaker 2: I'm serious about how many times you use it in
Speaker 2: the negative way.
Speaker 1: Like, Oh, no, he's not gonna do that, man, She's
Speaker 1: he's getting forever push But you know you could just
Speaker 1: see him just like, oh, doesn't look like that my
Speaker 1: day or something like, you just know he's just being
Speaker 1: fucking vile. Of all the people you could just picture,
Speaker 1: didn't you get that?
Speaker 2: Wasn't it that female writer that sued w w E
Speaker 2: or whatever she was a she was a black girl
Speaker 2: and she's so w w E because it was just
Speaker 2: so racist at the Creative talks and it was I
Speaker 2: guess it was just Michael Hayes talking.
Speaker 1: No way. The funny thing is is like at that time,
Speaker 1: it was probably like you and I were both just like, oh,
Speaker 1: come on, you know that these are just sucking old
Speaker 1: men being idiots. But now probably really a hindsight, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he was gross dude.
Speaker 2: Like I just it was Michael Hayes was there. I
Speaker 2: know Stephanie was there, Triph was there, there were other
Speaker 2: people there, but I think Michael Hayes was the one
Speaker 2: that was quoted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so no way, I know I could never believe,
Speaker 1: but no, you're right, they're probably better at their boss
Speaker 1: than they are at their job. And that's not necessarily
Speaker 1: like you know, folding your arms up, being like they
Speaker 1: just fucking everyone. No, they're just more carrots. They just
Speaker 1: like them, they like them more. It's people because once again,
Speaker 1: like it's when they're all within this range of looks
Speaker 1: and marketability and aesthetics or whatever the fuck it's got
Speaker 1: to be, has got to come down to some sort
Speaker 1: of emotional beat that they hit with the people that
Speaker 1: are booking the show, because you she can't explain to
Speaker 1: me once again why Juliet doesn't do anything on these shows.
Speaker 1: But we have to be subjected to soul Ruka and
Speaker 1: Maxine and these girls that have like absolutely zero fucking
Speaker 1: talent and zero charisma, and it's like, Okay, they're athletic.
Speaker 2: I think she absolutely has charisma. I don't think she's
Speaker 2: I don't think she's good on the mic, but she's
Speaker 2: absolutely charismatic. I think the fans like her. They like
Speaker 2: her the way she she carries herself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta get her out of the fucking Jenkos
Speaker 1: because that she also just looks.
Speaker 2: For her you know, it works for Jeff Hardy Joe.
Speaker 2: Why are you hating? Why are you hating?
Speaker 1: Bro Right in a fucking a suit worked for John
Speaker 1: Travolta and Saturday Night Fever in nineteen fucking eighty one.
Speaker 1: You know, like it's at some point you just go, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this doesn't look good and the clunky movements and her
Speaker 1: like she does like actually, honest to odd, she's like
Speaker 1: the most athletic girl I've ever seen that moves around
Speaker 1: like fucking gassed out Batista. How are you that athletic
Speaker 1: and still move around like jacked up fucking action figure Batista?
Speaker 1: I don't know remember when remember the fucking the whole
Speaker 1: uh not whole Cogan, but the amazing hulk toy that
Speaker 1: was just big at its arms would just kind of
Speaker 1: like turn it the waist and shit, that's how soul
Speaker 1: Ruka moves around the ring. She'll she'll move around like
Speaker 1: then like that and then do like a triple one day,
Speaker 1: You like, what is what is that? How do you
Speaker 1: look so wooden? And then all of a sudden just
Speaker 1: break out like a fucking six thirty. It makes no sense.
Speaker 2: Because I really feel like her mind is moving faster
Speaker 2: than her body. Think it's one of those yeah, like
Speaker 2: she knows what she wants to do, right, Like if
Speaker 2: if we asked soul Ruka what she wanted to actually
Speaker 2: happen in her matches, I bet they're very concise. I
Speaker 2: bet they're very fluid. It's probably a wonderful story that
Speaker 2: her and Raquel could have told. What actually happened, though,
Speaker 2: was was a fucking baby rhino and a china shop,
Speaker 2: Like it was just all over the fucking place, But
Speaker 2: in the rhino's mind, it's over here, you know, picking
Speaker 2: up little tea kettles and little little sippy cups and
Speaker 2: drinking out of them with its pinky up like it's
Speaker 2: it's comically cartoonish as to how bad what was supposed
Speaker 2: to happen versus what actually happened really was. So I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Does anybody watch her matches back with her and go
Speaker 1: your look at your body language? It's fucking awful.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I assume that that's something somebody should do, right, somebody.
Speaker 1: Any anyone, Like if I think about Early, No, he's
Speaker 1: too busy getting locked in a cage and.
Speaker 2: That's bullshit. He always has time to take pictures with
Speaker 2: the ladies. Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. No, but like if you
Speaker 1: remember really early Rhea, she had really bad body language
Speaker 1: Shoe and it's because she was so fucking tall, and
Speaker 1: you could see, like you said, you could see her
Speaker 1: running through the spots, and it was a lot of
Speaker 1: the memorization and she wasn't really ready to fucking do
Speaker 1: things fluidly. And eventually she got over that. Maybe that
Speaker 1: won't happen with Sol because the right times. Even in
Speaker 1: that match, like when she smashed her in the face
Speaker 1: with that knee, she did the follow up which was
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, off the cuff, but Raquel
Speaker 1: didn't even respond because she was still too stunned from
Speaker 1: getting her knicks busted open again. She is still like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck right?
Speaker 2: Right? But that's what I'm saying, And Soul's already doing
Speaker 2: two other fucking moves by the time Raquel's like shaking
Speaker 2: the cobwebs out of her fucking soul. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I really think it's a case of Soul is working
Speaker 2: ahead of herself. She's not confident in what she's doing.
Speaker 2: She's running through the moves, but her body's not catching up, right,
Speaker 2: or she's just I don't know, I don't know, she's
Speaker 2: just too far ahead, Like that's that's a you thing
Speaker 2: that can you can explain. But that's what it looks
Speaker 2: like to me as a fan, is that she's working
Speaker 2: against herself.
Speaker 1: She's oh shit, I'm she has oh shit, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: face with poor posture because she's not ready and she's
Speaker 1: not moving fluidly and naturally because she's not comfortable. Are
Speaker 1: a green wrestler looks like? And I hate to bring
Speaker 1: up Michael Hayes again, but I'll bring up a different Michael.
Speaker 1: A green wrestler looks like that Michael Richard's rant where
Speaker 1: he starts yelling the N word on the stage. That's
Speaker 1: what a green wrestler looks like. Also another Michael Well,
Speaker 1: they both probably do it, but like it's it's the
Speaker 1: I'm overwhelmed, which is where you end up with I'm overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: And her version of that was I'm just gonna need
Speaker 1: Raquel as heart as I can in the fucking face.
Speaker 2: That's what her her two though. That's the thing is,
Speaker 2: wouldn't she almost have more respect if she did it
Speaker 2: on purpose to fucking bust Raquel open versus I didn't
Speaker 2: mean to do this at all.
Speaker 1: Like doctor Death Raquel or.
Speaker 2: Doctor Death Soul Ruca.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Strong Style Soul Ruca is Steve kurr Ruca.
Speaker 2: Sure, Or.
Speaker 1: She's like, that's a receipt brother who like, what the fu?
Speaker 1: Yeah No, that's a green sloppy girl who's who's overwhelmed
Speaker 1: and doesn't know what she's doing, so she just starts.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm just gonna do a thing, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna look fucking cool and tough and hard. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna hit her and then people are gonna go ooh,
Speaker 1: as opposed to just looking and sitting completely on their
Speaker 1: hands staring at her like who fired it? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's the acting. It's that acting
Speaker 1: out like someone's so uncomfortable that they just go completely
Speaker 1: off the rails. And that's sort of what it is.
Speaker 1: What you see that with green wrestlers, they'll go completely
Speaker 1: off the rails. And sometimes yeah, they'll hit somebody too hard,
Speaker 1: or they'll kick them too hard, or they'll do some
Speaker 1: stupid shit because in their mind they're trying to remember
Speaker 1: what they're supposed to do next. Well also simultaneously feeling
Speaker 1: the pressure of the crowd not giving a fuck and
Speaker 1: it's it's all the different senses they're coming at them
Speaker 1: at the same time, and instead of being able to
Speaker 1: just take a deep breath and go listen, these people
Speaker 1: might not give a shit in this moment. But it's
Speaker 1: just a random fucking Monday night. Raw, I'm at a
Speaker 1: woman's match at ten fifteen at night. No one fucking cares.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I just got a chill out, do the thing,
Speaker 1: be a professional, go to the back, lose the belt,
Speaker 1: a shake er Kel's hand, and I say, you know,
Speaker 1: thank you, honey, that was right. We had a great match,
Speaker 1: and I'll see you. You know, I'll see you on Friday.
Speaker 1: And she don't think like that when you're green and
Speaker 1: scared and thinking, oh my god, i'm gonna get made
Speaker 1: fun of on the internet. I'm gonna get a bit,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get yelled at and blabbah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: because that's what somebody does when they're nervous and unprepared,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the times that's what happens. People
Speaker 1: get more hurt being nervous than they do just going
Speaker 1: all right, whatever come, what may.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But hopefully this is now a sign that it's time
Speaker 1: for them to start steering away from soul Ruka, get
Speaker 1: her off Television center, back down to n XT and
Speaker 1: start focusing a spotlight on somebody who's ready, capable, competent.
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, I mean it was a nice idea.
Speaker 1: It was a nice idea. They did the same thing
Speaker 1: with her that they did with tiffany Where's a nice idea, right,
Speaker 1: it's a nice idea we could do something with that. Look,
Speaker 1: she's super athletic, and she's pretty and she's a she's
Speaker 1: a gymnast whoa poh great, and it's like, well, not ready, right,
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta accept that. You just gotta accept these
Speaker 1: people weren't ready. And you know what I wasn't ready for.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for the USA. We already talked about
Speaker 1: the usas, but I wasn't ready for Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was fine.
Speaker 2: Another main events where we had South Rollins and Roman
Speaker 2: reigns come out and talk to each other. I wasn't
Speaker 2: ready for that. I mean, that's not what's been happening
Speaker 2: for the last four weeks, right, But you know, like
Speaker 2: that's why not. You guys enjoyed it so much.
Speaker 1: I stuckered you into this match. I'm like, who is
Speaker 1: the face? Who am I jeering for? Who is the
Speaker 1: who is the good person here? The whole industry needs
Speaker 1: me to beat you, dude? Yeah right? Do you know
Speaker 1: how fucking funny that was? Do you know how funny
Speaker 1: it was to hear Roman Raine try to play the underdog,
Speaker 1: This fucking asshole who has beat everyone for fifteen years,
Speaker 1: He's trying to fucking add a boy Rocky Balboa right now.
Speaker 1: This guy would find the fucking shroud of Turk or
Speaker 1: whatever it is Jesus for Yeah, he'd fucking pin that.
Speaker 1: If you pin it, laid out a pin it, I
Speaker 1: won ww. We would book him to beat the shroud
Speaker 1: of fucking turn if they could. He has beaten everyone
Speaker 1: mercilessly for closer to fucking two decades.
Speaker 5: And he's like, I don't think you got to understand
Speaker 5: is that the industry needs me to beat you.
Speaker 7: What are you talking about? The fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 7: You've been books like fucking the most important guy on
Speaker 7: the plane. The announcers don't e know how to call
Speaker 7: your ship because all they've been dold for fifteen years
Speaker 7: is to put you over. So when like fucking Elleen
Speaker 7: Knight's like, this sucks.
Speaker 1: The announcers are like, I don't know why only I
Speaker 1: would ever say such a thing about Roman. That makes
Speaker 1: no sense.
Speaker 2: I was kind of hoping that they could actually run
Speaker 2: with this and do like the old Royal Rumble interviews
Speaker 2: where they have like myster Iguana going, I really need
Speaker 2: Roman reigns to win for my people.
Speaker 1: Oh that yeah, all of a sudden, they put they
Speaker 1: put an Ai fucking Eddie Guerrero sitting on a cloud.
Speaker 5: Essay, do it for yah? Listen here here, yeah, Oh,
Speaker 5: the cream of the crop. It's gotta be Roman rings.
Speaker 5: Have you seen roman rains record? It's only seven hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty two to twelve.
Speaker 1: Be a man, Seve, honest to god. Not that I
Speaker 1: would ever want a fucking Patriot or give a click
Speaker 1: to one of those fucking cage match sites, But what's
Speaker 1: Roman's collective record throughout the past fifteen years? I would
Speaker 1: wazer to bed. It's probably like nine, Like the way
Speaker 1: like a fucking percentage score is like he's probably won
Speaker 1: what zero point nine eight five percent of his matches.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, i'd say if he's wrestled, let's just
Speaker 1: say he's wrestled a thousand matches in his career. He
Speaker 1: has won nine hundred and fifty of them, maybe nine
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five before being generous and counting tag
Speaker 1: team matches like the idea of him go and like
Speaker 1: have to beat there, I must beat you. There is
Speaker 1: no wow, Get out of here. Let's see, all right,
Speaker 1: So Roman Raine says, oney, ten matches, three hundred and
Speaker 1: forty losses and thirty three draws. All right, I'm not
Speaker 1: counting fucking draws. Get the fuck out of here, dude.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, so he's only one seventy three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm not counting dude, I'm not counting the fucking draws.
Speaker 1: Your break. So yeah, at least I'm rounded up a
Speaker 1: little bit. There, I'm saying, at least he's won. So
Speaker 1: seventy eight percent of his matches is just all those
Speaker 1: drug miss all those.
Speaker 2: There's more, there's more, hold on and there's another part
Speaker 2: to this. What what he didn't read? His win rate
Speaker 2: improved significantly during his tribal chief persona from twenty twenty
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty four, where he maintained a win ratio
Speaker 2: often exceeding eighty five plus percent for seven consecutive years.
Speaker 1: You know what, fuck the water supply. Ask him without
Speaker 1: the fight, Ask him without his tag matches, all right,
Speaker 1: ask him without when he was gonna fucking tag them match.
Speaker 1: It's just singles matches, I assure you.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty. All of those wins, so all of those
Speaker 2: losses happened before twenty twenty, right, right.
Speaker 1: So let's just so let's just put it this way.
Speaker 1: We'll round it right up to eighty percent. Let's just
Speaker 1: round it to eighty because I think that's pretty reasonable.
Speaker 1: So he wins four out of five of his matches,
Speaker 1: and then this is somebody that's looking and going, how
Speaker 1: could I ever? How could I ever?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's because Seth represents h type of hell.
Speaker 1: He can't climb. Yeah, the type of friend Seth were
Speaker 1: just so different. Oh you are? You really are the
Speaker 1: only difference between Seth Rawlins and Roman Reigns at Seth
Speaker 1: Rowlins at least has the dignity to show up and
Speaker 1: bora us. That's the only.
Speaker 2: Difference between the whole industry needs me to beat you.
Speaker 1: I love it. Man. If they weren't, if TKO wasn't
Speaker 1: so cheap, maybe they could get that music that would
Speaker 1: if I only could we could do with God? Oh
Speaker 1: could I ever beat us? Like? Haven't you beat Seth?
Speaker 1: Like forty two times? And he's just beating you forty
Speaker 1: five times?
Speaker 2: Mike, I have those losses since twenty twenty are Seth rollins?
Speaker 1: Oh? Probably most of them. That's probably what it is,
Speaker 1: because they would probably, this is my guest, if you
Speaker 1: were to break down those losses, it was probably let's see,
Speaker 1: lost one to Jay I remember somewhere in there, because
Speaker 1: that was like a shock Cargo right, oh Shay cargole Ja, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jay and that wig he kill it. He's we know
Speaker 1: that these just off memory blind memory. In the last
Speaker 1: half dozen years, he's lost to his cousin John Cena,
Speaker 1: Cody Rhodes, And I think that's that about it. Solo.
Speaker 1: I think he lost one. Yeah, so he's lost he's
Speaker 1: lost badges to a couple of his family members, John Cena.
Speaker 1: Did he lose one of punk I don't think he
Speaker 1: lost one a punk in there?
Speaker 2: Did he lose a brock.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he might have lost one to brock in there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this is it. Yeah, let's see this is a
Speaker 1: every room one two.
Speaker 2: Wow. December four, Worth oh so that was a Christmas present.
Speaker 1: I see Roman Reigns and jay Us versus Kevin Owens
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods. You want to bet they pins jay Us?
Speaker 1: You bet your fucking bet your life on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh behavior Woods, that was god have been a d
Speaker 1: K in no way that wasn't a deep.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a lot of fuckery in that match.
Speaker 2: Xavier Woods was the afterthought.
Speaker 1: Let's sake, and strictly one on one competition. Roman Reigns
Speaker 1: has an exceptional win. Yes, he's one eighty eight of
Speaker 1: his singles match. Thank you. So this is once again
Speaker 1: the guy that's sitting there being like I I must
Speaker 1: overcome you seth Rollins for the industry.
Speaker 2: You know what, let's witch fair, hey, Joe, since you're
Speaker 2: on the roll here, Joe punches. What's what's Seth's win
Speaker 2: loss record? Oh god, I mean, let's see what Let's
Speaker 2: see what Roman sees, Joe, because we're over here just
Speaker 2: bagging on Roman. But maybe Roman knows something. Maybe Roman
Speaker 2: is seeing the forest through the trees and he doesn't
Speaker 2: he doesn't really, you know, tell us the evil that
Speaker 2: is seth Rawlins. So maybe we can figure it out
Speaker 2: together here on wrestling suit.
Speaker 1: We can all right, what do you what's your guest
Speaker 1: for I'm gonna say for Seth fifty five to sixty
Speaker 1: win ratio, and that's only because he's gone.
Speaker 2: Will Yeah, but I will put a caveat to that
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's the wind ratio that I'm
Speaker 2: gonna count. I'll count the pin ratio. How many times
Speaker 2: has Seth Rawlin's been pinned? Let's see, because I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of d q's in Seth's past, a
Speaker 2: lot of them, a lot of decus, a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of Mike Partner lost what a fucking piece
Speaker 2: of shit? Now, a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to remember he was a heel for
Speaker 1: a lot of that time, and he was the heel
Speaker 1: that would take the l to like Sina and shit.
Speaker 1: That was never Roman's role.
Speaker 2: Real Seth Robins has eleven hundred thirty two wins, nine
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four losses, and sixty draws. So will
Speaker 2: they come out two percent? Oh yeah, maybe like a
Speaker 2: sixty percent? Right, Oh no, not even probably like a
Speaker 2: fifty five percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was guess in fifty five to sixty
Speaker 1: because he's he's put over. Like I said, for what
Speaker 1: it's worth. Even though he's insufferable, he has lost.
Speaker 2: They're also coming our wage. Come on now, FC oh
Speaker 2: they are rh Yeah, let's not yah.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I'm not counting that.
Speaker 2: That's that's a different guy. He's got a forty five
Speaker 2: percent win ratio. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but once again, if that's including like his indie
Speaker 1: wrestling career.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is just WWE now.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, wow, heliums more.
Speaker 2: Than he's won in WWE. Six hundred and three wins,
Speaker 2: six hundred and ninety eight losses, twenty five draws. Wow,
Speaker 2: it feels like he always wins.
Speaker 1: Well, that's because he's triple ah. So you'll always get
Speaker 1: it back. I'll always get it back, and usually threefold.
Speaker 1: I think that's how it goes. Play this. Roman Reigns
Speaker 1: has never officially submitted or tapped out on WWE television
Speaker 1: during his entire career. That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Swollen mustache puts up. Roman Reigns has defeated Seth Rollins
Speaker 2: nineteen times in one on one matches.
Speaker 7: I've running up there.
Speaker 1: I've only beat you twenty times. I'm sorry, I beat
Speaker 1: you nineteen times. I have to beat you fucking twenty
Speaker 1: well gets us stuck my entire asshole. That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: The industry needs me to beat you.
Speaker 2: Hey man, I cannot wait for two days of Summer
Speaker 2: Slam coming up. I know Joe and myself will be
Speaker 2: here on Thursday to really break down Summer Slam for everybody, but.
Speaker 1: We'll just be here. Well by then, we got to think. Man, right,
Speaker 1: they're absolutely going to add two or three more matches
Speaker 1: on SmackDown because they added two matches last night I believe, right,
Speaker 1: the Dan Housen Money's match and then something else, I believe.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to assume they're going to add another
Speaker 1: two matches on match that. Yeah, well, yeah, we'll have
Speaker 1: to see. They're going to definitely add one well, one
Speaker 1: woman's match, one men's match.
Speaker 2: The got twelve matches. I think they're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like six matches more than they usually would
Speaker 1: put on, even on two nights, right, Uh oh no,
Speaker 1: you're right, because that would be so they'll do the
Speaker 1: pre show on ESPN two app right, and they'll run
Speaker 1: that for an hour and then they'll fuck okay, all right,
Speaker 1: so twelve they might be done that. You're right, they
Speaker 1: might be done all right, but you know who else
Speaker 1: is done.
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Speaker 1: Be on Thursday. Gonna go take a piece.
Speaker 4: I'm the only true champion around here. And when I
Speaker 4: said it, I'm minted. I need to beat you. I
Speaker 4: need my family to see me beat you.
Speaker 3: You at the.
Speaker 4: Everyone, everybody needs me to beat you. It's not just
Speaker 4: this company, the whole industry needs me to beat you.
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