Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What? What's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: I help? Welcome back to the Occult Rejects Today. We've
Speaker 1: got a very special guest on, somebody I was very
Speaker 1: excited to get on after I was talking to them
Speaker 1: for a bit and found out they also did paranormal work.
Speaker 3: I think this may be the first time.
Speaker 1: I've actually had I don't know what to go cult
Speaker 1: this or a witch or whatever on the show that
Speaker 1: also is into paranormal. We've had paranormal people on, but
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them were into that stuff,
Speaker 1: so I would assume this might be from a little
Speaker 1: bit of a different lens, which can be exciting. But
Speaker 1: before we get into all of that, we will talk
Speaker 1: about Taro as well.
Speaker 3: And Lee.
Speaker 1: Please everybody know what's going on and where they can
Speaker 1: find all of your stuff as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, hello, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: I am honored to be here. My name is Lee Savagejoe.
Speaker 2: My business name, I suppose is Lee in Tune and
Speaker 2: you can find me on Instagram at Lee in Tune
Speaker 2: l E I g H. The right way to spell
Speaker 2: it Lee in Tune. My website Leetune dot com. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm an intuitive tarot reader, I'm a ranking master, I'm
Speaker 2: an energetic sound healer, and I am also a paranormal investigator.
Speaker 2: I have a all female paranormal investigation group called Three
Speaker 2: Veils Paranormal.
Speaker 1: That is awesome. It all it's all women. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know know that that's great. It is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, three of us nice.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys don't want away from the ghost Like,
Speaker 1: who's that guy on a ghost Adventures?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, who's this boy that.
Speaker 1: He's always sticking in the most fucked up situations? I
Speaker 1: forgot the dudes now, yeahs like send him in there
Speaker 1: and yeah Aaron, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then the poor guy's wife tries to kill him too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I know, talk about crazy man wild.
Speaker 3: I can't catch a bird.
Speaker 2: Run Unlike some big old grown men that like to
Speaker 2: investigate paranormal. We are not runners.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. So I guess, actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: since you have kind of like both of these things,
Speaker 1: I guess first what I mean, what was it that
Speaker 1: you got into first, like kind of like witchcraft or paranormal.
Speaker 2: I think paranormal came first. Yeah, when I like very
Speaker 2: quick recap. But when I was eight years old, we
Speaker 2: moved to Franklin, Tennessee, which is a little bit south
Speaker 2: of Nashville, and it's a huge Civil War town. There
Speaker 2: was a battle there and I believe it was the
Speaker 2: most bloodshed and the least amount of time during the
Speaker 2: Civil War. And uh so there's a massive Confederate cemetery there,
Speaker 2: a lot of historic properties, and I was instantly like fascinated,
Speaker 2: and not because I also love history, but I was
Speaker 2: so just enamored by by the feeling of it and
Speaker 2: all of the history and the kind of eeriness of
Speaker 2: the cemetery. And I would ask my parents on the
Speaker 2: weekends if we could go back to these places and
Speaker 2: explore the cemeteries. And and I remember very vividly at
Speaker 2: a very young age just being so into the anything haunted,
Speaker 2: anything that may have a ghost, you know, I was
Speaker 2: like in it. And so my love for the paranormal,
Speaker 2: I think really fueled kind of the path that I
Speaker 2: ended up taking into tarot and metaphysical work. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: the ghosts, the ghost came first, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a feeling because that's even kind of
Speaker 1: like I guess my situation that you know, my even
Speaker 1: though my parents were rather kind of religion growing up,
Speaker 1: or especially my mom, she still believed in ghosts and aliens.
Speaker 1: So I think that kind of helped her, you know,
Speaker 1: open me up to other things. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I don't know where you raise Catholic.
Speaker 1: Oh well, Catholic and Christians like kind of back and forth.
Speaker 1: At one point my mom, My mom was like fuck
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church and she was like a Christian some shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know why she got like that, but she did.
Speaker 2: I just find like the Catholic like the Catholicism to
Speaker 2: spirituality pipeline is like it's like a real thing. I
Speaker 2: think Catholicism is so mystical in itself, and it's you know, yes,
Speaker 2: the preaching of the miracles and you know that the
Speaker 2: incense in church, and I think it's like such a
Speaker 2: kind of interesting, you know, foray into into metaphysics.
Speaker 3: I was raised Catholics, so I totally agree with that.
Speaker 3: We were talking about that on the show not too
Speaker 3: long ago.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like a little thing that
Speaker 1: we just talked about here for a few seconds. How like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: have no, and there was people on the show that
Speaker 1: Catholicism I think kind of like if you're ceremonial magician,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's really the difference, you know, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like the way it looks, it's going to be very
Speaker 1: easy for you to switch over.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's all about ritual, right, ritual and tradition
Speaker 2: and you know, reverence and sanctity like it all. It's
Speaker 2: all just one woven web.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I agree, I totally agree. So
Speaker 1: you know, like I asked all my guests, what was
Speaker 1: it that got you into the cult, witchcraft, whatever you
Speaker 1: call it, you know, for you for yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like I said, living in that really historic
Speaker 2: place was kind of my entry way. But my mom
Speaker 2: also was super into ghosts and psychics and was a
Speaker 2: firm believer in the other side. So I kind of
Speaker 2: grew up always you know, she loves scary movies and
Speaker 2: so it was kind of our thing. And then I
Speaker 2: discovered probably around ten that I, this is gonna this
Speaker 2: is crazy, but that I could smell ghosts. So so yes,
Speaker 2: my grandma also could. And the reason we discovered this
Speaker 2: was because my grandma's house was extremely haunted in Fayetteville,
Speaker 2: North Carolina. She just recently passed away. I'm sure she
Speaker 2: is haunting the shit out of that house herself now,
Speaker 2: but her house is extremely haunted, always has been. And
Speaker 2: I vividly remember going into one of those historic places
Speaker 2: and saying that it smelled like Grandma's house. And then
Speaker 2: I found that every place I went that was supposedly
Speaker 2: haunted or you know, I would smell the same smell.
Speaker 2: And my grandma kind of caught onto this and she
Speaker 2: was like, I think you have what I have. So
Speaker 2: it's this kind of passed down trait. Fast forward thirty
Speaker 2: years or you know, twenty five years. I'm listening to
Speaker 2: one of my favorite podcasts, which is called Psychic Teachers,
Speaker 2: which was a huge kind of like gateway in for me,
Speaker 2: and they're talking about the Clayers, which you know, there's
Speaker 2: Clairvoyance and Claire Aliens, and one of them is psychic smelling.
Speaker 2: And I had this like epiphany where I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I have that. I have that. I'd
Speaker 2: never heard of it, I've never heard of anybody besides me.
Speaker 3: I'm going to look into that after the show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is really weird. Yeah, I'm something that was.
Speaker 2: That was kind of my first inkling that maybe I
Speaker 2: was a little more sensitive or or in tune than
Speaker 2: the average Joe.
Speaker 3: I don't think, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And then it all just kind of evolved,
Speaker 2: you know. I also my degrees in musical theater. Theater
Speaker 2: in itself is full of super stition, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: the theater kid to tarot reader pipeline is also one
Speaker 2: that should probably be studied.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's funny. When I was in high
Speaker 3: school that did rupt.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people that were in theater
Speaker 1: that were also kind of open to witchcraft and that stuff.
Speaker 1: Thinking about it now, oh wow, yeah change.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the whole purpose of theater is
Speaker 2: suspension of belief, right like to make to bring people
Speaker 2: in and make them believe what's happening, and so I
Speaker 2: think they kind of go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: No, I could see that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I got my first tarot deck when I
Speaker 2: was eighteen. I'm about to be thirty seven in a
Speaker 2: few days, so I'm not reading Taro for a very
Speaker 2: long time. And Taro for me has just kind of
Speaker 2: always been like the backbone of my practice and my spirituality.
Speaker 2: And then you know, it all kind of unfolded from there.
Speaker 1: Nice. What was the first Tarot deck, if you remember, it.
Speaker 2: Was the rider Weight Smith. I have it in my
Speaker 2: car still. It literally lives in my in my middle console.
Speaker 2: I haven't wrapped with the exact same lime green scrunchy
Speaker 2: that it has been wrapped in since I was eighteen.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's yeah, so any if you ever, if
Speaker 2: you follow me on social media, anytime I'm in my
Speaker 2: car doing like a Tarot, yeah, it's it's from that deck,
Speaker 2: Like that is my og.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so yeah, I'm a firm believer that if
Speaker 2: you are going to start, if you're interested in starting
Speaker 2: to read Tarot, I am a firm believer that you
Speaker 2: should start with the rider Weight Smith deck. I am
Speaker 2: like that. I agree, Yeah, I just I feel that
Speaker 2: it's the basis. It's the basis for all Tarot decks.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent of them are going to
Speaker 2: be based on that imagery and on that symbolism, and
Speaker 2: so starting there is always going to give you a
Speaker 2: really nice understanding, and then from there you can pick
Speaker 2: up any deck and read it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's actually a great suggestion, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: the right of way does even have like the associations
Speaker 1: on them, right, like they'll have like the planetary or
Speaker 1: things on them.
Speaker 2: It does not.
Speaker 1: Oh, for some reason I thought it did.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't have any of that on it. It
Speaker 2: literally just has like the number and the image. But
Speaker 2: you know, newer, newer versions do a lot of the
Speaker 2: versions you can get now actually have like the meanings
Speaker 2: written on them, which you know, I have.
Speaker 3: You said that. I'm like, I don't know if you
Speaker 3: should do that. Actually, maybe let you figure that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's you know, it depends on
Speaker 2: how you want to learn. It depends on how you
Speaker 2: learn the best, right. Like. It's interesting because I've been
Speaker 2: reading for so long and it's hard to even think
Speaker 2: back as to like how I learned because it just
Speaker 2: to been such a part of my life for such
Speaker 2: a long time. But there's there's multiple ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you no?
Speaker 1: You know, not everybody does this. Actually I think less
Speaker 1: people do it than I know. Do you attribute the
Speaker 1: cards to the cabalistic Tree of Life?
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not overly versed. Okay, that's yeah, something
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know there are people that do.
Speaker 2: I have had discussions with some people that are that
Speaker 2: very much find those intersections, but that's not really part
Speaker 2: of my practice.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I honestly, because I know you seem to be more
Speaker 1: of like a witch instead of a ceremonial magician. I
Speaker 1: didn't expect you to be into.
Speaker 3: Not knocking you.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just yeah, yeah, not knocking you
Speaker 1: at all when I say that, So I don't think
Speaker 1: it that way.
Speaker 3: But I know I understand nice. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Do you when it comes to like reading Taro, do
Speaker 1: you look at it from like a psychological standpoint as well? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah. I always say with Taro, you know, Taro
Speaker 2: is a sacred mirror it. You know, I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: work with Taro as a fortune teller. I think it
Speaker 2: can show us what's coming. It can give us, you know,
Speaker 2: it can give us things that we need to maybe
Speaker 2: pay more attention to take heed of. But Taro is
Speaker 2: always going to reflect the current energies and in that,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're in a place where you're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I should take Path A or
Speaker 2: Path B. What we can do with Taro then is
Speaker 2: we can look at this and we can say, what
Speaker 2: would be the energy if I took Path A, what
Speaker 2: would be the energy if I took Path B? Right,
Speaker 2: And in that, it's gonna present roadblocks, It's gonna present
Speaker 2: things that may come with ease. It's gonna pull up
Speaker 2: some childhood shit, some shadow works, some stuff that needs
Speaker 2: to be looked at, parts of ourselves that maybe we
Speaker 2: don't want to face that maybe we're afraid to look at.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the psychology of it all. It's gonna
Speaker 2: it's gonna show you what you need to be shown.
Speaker 2: It's really just up to you if you're ready to
Speaker 2: receive it.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. Nice, Thank you, thank you? What sorry?
Speaker 1: What other I know you mentioned? You know obviously the
Speaker 1: other deck, the right of Weight deck. What other ones
Speaker 1: do you do you work with? Besides that? That's actually
Speaker 1: just my own wondering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I use the light Sears taro. I'm like looking
Speaker 2: at my collection right now. The light Sears Taro is
Speaker 2: one that I use pretty frequently, Flower Child Taro, the
Speaker 2: Pulp Taro, which I love, And then I just got
Speaker 2: a new deck the other day which has quickly become
Speaker 2: my favorite. It's called the Infinite Door by Pamela Love
Speaker 2: and her imagery is so cool. I will say, though,
Speaker 2: all of those decks are based off of the right way.
Speaker 2: So I am a bit of a traditionalist when it
Speaker 2: comes to TETO, and not everyone is right I am.
Speaker 2: I think it's my theater background, like I am. I feel, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you know, I'm I'm a firm believer and
Speaker 2: when I teach, I am I'm a believer in knowing
Speaker 2: the meanings as they're intended and being very prepared before
Speaker 2: you read. For other people, I think you should be
Speaker 2: versed enough in the meanings that you're not going to
Speaker 2: get thrown right, like, And that's kind of that theater
Speaker 2: background of preparation, like if you stay ready, you don't
Speaker 2: have to get ready, kind of.
Speaker 3: Like that, if you stay ready, you don't have to
Speaker 3: get ready. What a concept.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think your intuition comes in absolutely,
Speaker 2: and it's a big part of reading harrow, especially when
Speaker 2: you're looking at cards together versus just the individual card.
Speaker 2: But I am a stickler a little bit with that,
Speaker 2: with knowing the meanings. Uh So anyway, Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 2: Riderway Smith traditionalist a little bit. I still get it.
Speaker 2: My main deck that I use for client work always
Speaker 2: is the og. It's six it's literally sitting beside me
Speaker 2: at my table now it stays ready.
Speaker 1: I mean even with me, I'm not huge into taro,
Speaker 1: like I do use it and I think it's very important,
Speaker 1: especially like the way I use it for the Kabbala.
Speaker 1: I've only had the Magical Doorn deck, and then I
Speaker 1: I've bought another Golden door, magical Golden Doorn deck. I
Speaker 1: bought another Golden Doorn deck that I haven't touched, and
Speaker 1: I even have the Toaf deck that I haven't touched.
Speaker 1: Like I've literally just stuck with that one deck the
Speaker 1: whole time I've ever used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing when you have one that
Speaker 2: really resonates with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a reason, right.
Speaker 2: I mean I've never even honestly, I've never even really
Speaker 2: delved in very much to the other the other tarots,
Speaker 2: just because I'm such a traditionalist.
Speaker 3: So you know, that's why I get it with me.
Speaker 1: They spoke to me enough that I was just like
Speaker 1: I felt like I just brought them because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to have more than one tyro deck, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't know the other deck. I
Speaker 1: just enjoy looking at It's just easier for me. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I going to try to relearn?
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I have to relearn. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not have to explain.
Speaker 2: Maybe, well, yeah, totally. I mean I think that that's
Speaker 2: a big thing about a spiritual practice in general, you know,
Speaker 2: taro or anything like. It is about what finding what
Speaker 2: resonates and works for you. And that's why it's so
Speaker 2: personal and so it's it's your own unique individual path
Speaker 2: and the internet can be so gatekeepy and you know,
Speaker 2: and do it this way not that way, and this
Speaker 2: is wrong and don't do it like that. And I
Speaker 2: just think like, if it resonates for you, then that's
Speaker 2: what your men to do. That's what's supposed to you know,
Speaker 2: whatever gets you there.
Speaker 1: Man, I know what you're saying. I know what you're say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you did mention. You mentioned it a few times about
Speaker 1: like you mentioned it before about being in a musical theater.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the performance trains your intuition in
Speaker 1: any way, like reading a room, sensing emotion, understanding simples
Speaker 1: and archetypes. Do you think that helped you along your
Speaker 1: path to do what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Yes on yeah, and I you know, I still perform.
Speaker 2: I have a.
Speaker 3: Nice Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's that's actually Lee in Tune is because I, you know,
Speaker 2: in tune with intuition, but I also am a singer,
Speaker 2: so that's kind of where the name came from. It's
Speaker 2: this like all encompassing umbrella. So yeah, I perform usually
Speaker 2: like two or three times a week. I have a
Speaker 2: standing contract with Hilton Hotels, so I do like private
Speaker 2: dinners for them here in Myrtle Beach. So it's really
Speaker 2: interesting to kind of like parallels of what I do.
Speaker 2: It is all about reading the room, all about reading
Speaker 2: the person you're with, reading their energy, being able to pivot,
Speaker 2: being able to be on your feet, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's all about energy,
Speaker 2: and it's all about vibes and preparation again, being prepared
Speaker 2: and knowing your shit. You know, like people are coming
Speaker 2: to you for a service, whether it's performing or reading
Speaker 2: their cards. They're coming to me because they trust that
Speaker 2: I am an expert in what I'm doing. That's why
Speaker 2: they're coming. And so it is my job to show
Speaker 2: up in that capacity and to perform to the best
Speaker 2: of my ability, be it reading, terror or performing.
Speaker 1: I think between the performance and I think it might've
Speaker 1: been something I came across of you. I was kind
Speaker 1: of dealing with gross and loss and grief. That really
Speaker 1: helped you kind of like really find I guess put
Speaker 1: all your stuff into him really will, like really everything
Speaker 1: came to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I you know, like I said, I've been on
Speaker 2: this path forever. But when I was thirty two, I
Speaker 2: had a miscarriage and it's okay, it was actually you know,
Speaker 2: at the time it was very painful, but it was
Speaker 2: the catalyst for my path totally switching. And through that,
Speaker 2: through the healing of that, you know, I'd lost my mom,
Speaker 2: and I've lost a lot of people, especially for how
Speaker 2: young I am and how young I.
Speaker 3: Am youself on the back, Yeah.
Speaker 2: For my age, I've lost a lot of people. And I,
Speaker 2: for a very long time, drank it away. I smoked
Speaker 2: it away, did I didn't feel it. I was like
Speaker 2: a party girl through and.
Speaker 3: Through well honesty, I respect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when the miscarriage happened, I was at
Speaker 2: a crossroads and I was like, Okay, the way I've
Speaker 2: been dealing with this shit is not working. I can
Speaker 2: either choose to heal it. I can feel it and
Speaker 2: I can work through it, or I can continue down this.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to say destructive. Like I
Speaker 2: was overall a relatively stable person, but I felt like
Speaker 2: I was on a hamster wheel. It was like anytime
Speaker 2: I kind of got my feet underneath me, if something happened,
Speaker 2: I would just kind of like throw myself into the
Speaker 2: party of it all. And you know, so I was like,
Speaker 2: it's time for a change, and so I thought I
Speaker 2: was going to a yoga class. It ended up being
Speaker 2: a chakra alignment. I didn't even know what a chakra was,
Speaker 2: and like it just totally catapulted me onto this path.
Speaker 2: And so that was four years ago now, and in
Speaker 2: that time, I became a reiki master, an energetic sound healer,
Speaker 2: opened I am a co owner of a brick and
Speaker 2: mortar healing space in downtown Myrtle Beach. Yeah That's where
Speaker 2: I'm at right now, and started free veils paranormal. So
Speaker 2: it was always the path I was meant to be on,
Speaker 2: but it took what I call tower moments, speaking of
Speaker 2: the tower in Tarot. It took a tower moment to
Speaker 2: shake me loose and to shift my path, and so
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful. I'm grateful for that loss. It was painful,
Speaker 2: but it was the catalyst of the shift of my
Speaker 2: entire life.
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of had like an experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously not like yours, but where I had started like
Speaker 1: really questioning what the fuck am I doing? You know,
Speaker 1: where am I going? I ended up. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not the great pillar of the community as everyone may
Speaker 1: think I was, but I am. But I ended up
Speaker 1: doing two years in federal prison and yeah, selling steroids
Speaker 1: online to believe it or that. Yeah, so that's how
Speaker 1: became federal because I was mailing it. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was at that, you know, at one time, you know,
Speaker 1: in a long time ago it's piping, about twenty years
Speaker 1: or whatever. I was a drug addict. I was a
Speaker 1: dope fiend, pibe about five or six years, and eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, I whatever, I got clean. But like you know,
Speaker 1: I started just when I was sitting in prison, I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, you could sit here and maybe
Speaker 1: I argue, like, yes, you know, shit with the government,
Speaker 1: maybe certain things shouldn't be illegal and they're overreaching, but
Speaker 1: it's like I still knew what I was doing. I
Speaker 1: knew the outcome, and I'm just like wondering, like, you know,
Speaker 1: was I I don't. I just started looking at myself
Speaker 1: and being like, you know, how sick am I really?
Speaker 1: And I'm just doing it in different ways or.
Speaker 3: Just certain things.
Speaker 1: I found myself sitting in prison and like I was
Speaker 1: blaming like the kid who told on me. I had
Speaker 1: all these like thoughts, you know, fuck them up, gets something,
Speaker 1: all this crazy shit, and I'm like, if I wasn't
Speaker 1: doing what I was doing, he couldn't have told on me,
Speaker 1: though I don't know. And then and when I got
Speaker 1: out of jail, I just I literally be, I don't know,
Speaker 1: something snapped while I was in prison, and I just
Speaker 1: like even my frame of thought once somewhere else, I
Speaker 1: started reading more of like spiritual and like you know,
Speaker 1: cult books. So I was in there. There's actually tons
Speaker 1: of cult books in Joie, at least the one I
Speaker 1: was in. And yeah, it was just something changed and
Speaker 1: I kind of like was like I got to fix
Speaker 1: my fucking head. Like just because I put down dope
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm sober minded, you know that's right?
Speaker 2: Yes, ye yep.
Speaker 1: So you know again, it might have been a little
Speaker 1: bit of different of yours. But you know something you
Speaker 1: know did definitely kind of turn in my way of thinking.
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it was it was your tower moment.
Speaker 2: It had to happen. It's you know, that's the tower
Speaker 2: in Tarot, It's the sixteenth card, and it's this energy
Speaker 2: where sometimes it feels like things come out of left field,
Speaker 2: out of our control. Sometimes we want to pretend they
Speaker 2: were out of our control, but really it's something that
Speaker 2: we brought on ourselves and they it's it's the moment
Speaker 2: in life that shake you down to the foundation, and
Speaker 2: it's a test. It's a test to see how strong
Speaker 2: that foundation is, right, Like, what kind of foundation are
Speaker 2: you walking on? If it's wonky, Honey, You're gonna feel
Speaker 2: it when those when those moments come through, right because
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna happen. They're the inevitable things that happen
Speaker 2: in life. It's deaths, divorces, job losses, jail time. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's that kind of shit that comes in and shakes you.
Speaker 2: And those are the those are the tests, Those are
Speaker 2: the tests of your character. Those are the tests of
Speaker 2: your perseverance and your strength and so I always say
Speaker 2: when people come to me in the middle of a
Speaker 2: tower moment, somebody going through a divorce or somebody that's
Speaker 2: just gone through a loss, you know, I'm like, let's
Speaker 2: look for the light. The star follows the tower, which
Speaker 2: is all about hope and the light at the end
Speaker 2: of the tunnel. So how are we going to fix
Speaker 2: the foundation? How are we going to rebuild? Right? Are
Speaker 2: you going to rebuild another tower? Are we going to
Speaker 2: make a cute little cottage a mansion? Like what do
Speaker 2: you want it to look like? We have to switch
Speaker 2: the thinking. It can be why did this happen to me?
Speaker 2: It has to be why is this happening for me?
Speaker 2: And how can I move differently from here?
Speaker 1: Now I can remember, it was like so like almost
Speaker 1: like vivid. It's like, I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: known much about prison, but I was even in the
Speaker 1: Shoe special housing unit, and that's like prison for people
Speaker 1: in prison, like you had to do something up. My
Speaker 1: excuse for being my reason for being in there was
Speaker 1: totally fucking retarded. I sent an email to my brother
Speaker 1: mentioning a few people that I was in prison with
Speaker 1: that were famous, and they considered that like a breach
Speaker 1: of security or some shit and threw me in the shoe.
Speaker 1: They were fucking with me because even moving story short,
Speaker 1: eventually when I saw the sergeant and they went over this,
Speaker 1: They're like, why are you in here?
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know, you guys put me in.
Speaker 3: He's like, this is stupid.
Speaker 1: I'll get you out today. But like, you know, the guy,
Speaker 1: the guy, the guy George Young from a Blow, the
Speaker 1: movie Blow. I was in prison with him, so like
Speaker 1: I was telling him that. And there was like a
Speaker 1: guy from the Yankees that I was in there with,
Speaker 1: and some senator from fucking I think Massachusetts, you know.
Speaker 1: So I told him that and like I'm sick. I am,
Speaker 1: like I actually was really sick. I'm in a shoe.
Speaker 1: I'm in there with somebody that I'm almost pretty sure
Speaker 1: was a pedophile. And I'm like laying like on my
Speaker 1: bunk like sick is ship in the shoe And I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what the fuck happened?
Speaker 3: I'm like, how am I here right now?
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in prison for people, in prison
Speaker 1: with a fucking creep underneath me.
Speaker 3: Like fuck. I was like, yo, I gotta change something
Speaker 3: that something isn't.
Speaker 2: Got right, that's a tower moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: Made it through.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did.
Speaker 1: You did mention the chakras and the raikie. I did
Speaker 1: want to kind of get into that. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you one you want to maybe talk about first.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in learning about I guess some both of
Speaker 1: them are how you got involved in them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so our body is full of chakras. I could
Speaker 2: not tell you the full amount, but you know, in yeah,
Speaker 2: in spirituality, in reiki, I usually deal with the seven
Speaker 2: main which go from the base of the spine to
Speaker 2: the top of the head and very quickly. Base of
Speaker 2: spine is root chakra. That is all of our feelings
Speaker 2: around safety and stability and money, and that's the first
Speaker 2: one formed. So a lot of our childhood trauma lives
Speaker 2: in the root chakra. If we didn't feel safe, if
Speaker 2: we felt abandoned, if you know any of that, if
Speaker 2: our safety was threatened as a child, that lives in
Speaker 2: that root chakra. We move up to the sacral that's
Speaker 2: in our womb space that's all about our creativity and
Speaker 2: our passion. We moved to the solar plexus that's right
Speaker 2: above our belly button. That's where our confidence and self
Speaker 2: worth live. Then our heart, and our heart is the
Speaker 2: bridge shock growth. There's three below, three above, so if
Speaker 2: that heart is blocked, usually everything's a little wonky, right.
Speaker 2: And the heart is of course about compassion and grace
Speaker 2: and love. Throat chakra. Throat is all about expressing your
Speaker 2: wants and needs and desires, but also listening with intent.
Speaker 2: Then we move into the brow chakra, which is your
Speaker 2: third eye. So that's all about your intuition and discernment,
Speaker 2: your inner wisdom, trusting yourself. And then, last but not least,
Speaker 2: we have the crown chakra, which is your connection to spirit, God,
Speaker 2: a higher power. So those seven chakras are kind of
Speaker 2: the building blocks of you really, and when we have trauma,
Speaker 2: when we have you know, certain things happen to us
Speaker 2: that get stored in our body. And so what I
Speaker 2: do as a raking master and this is you know,
Speaker 2: this is also like I said, all practices are unique
Speaker 2: for me as a raking master. One of my main
Speaker 2: things that I do through my reiki practice with my
Speaker 2: clients is work to clear the blockages that are in
Speaker 2: the chakra system so that we have more of an
Speaker 2: energetic flow because when things are flowing, things are going
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like we got we're going
Speaker 2: to feel in the flow. If we're all blocked up,
Speaker 2: we feel that stagna energy. So yeah, that's very quick rundown.
Speaker 3: So you know what's funny. I was going to ask.
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I could get it to kind
Speaker 1: of go over the chakras real quick. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's like two months to ask her to explain, and
Speaker 1: you did it on your own. That's also, thank you,
Speaker 1: I hope, no, no, no, that was great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: When you silly question, I mean I'm sure you probably
Speaker 1: you may say. Yeah, though, when you focus and do
Speaker 1: your own work on your own body, do you actually
Speaker 1: feel those chakras?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've said that before on my own show, but
Speaker 1: like I don't know, Like again, like some of my
Speaker 1: listeners like don't even practice, but they're interested in this stuff.
Speaker 3: They're you know, I have a lot of newbies as well, and.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, I probably think I'm crazy because if
Speaker 1: I'm the only person who ever says that on the show,
Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, I'm glad you could feel like
Speaker 1: a spinning bowl sometimes for me, like literally it almost
Speaker 1: like the Tasmanian devil's spinning around.
Speaker 2: Well, right, it's the Sanskrit word for a wheel, you know,
Speaker 2: So that's what a chakra is. And when I you know,
Speaker 2: for me, when I'm doing reiki and when I'm working
Speaker 2: on myself or clients, I always picture them almost as
Speaker 2: like uh, cogs in a watch like that, kind of
Speaker 2: like a you know what I mean, Like that's what
Speaker 2: they look like for me, or sometimes like little tornadoes,
Speaker 2: Like it just depends, you know, whatever you want to visualize.
Speaker 2: But I find that like blockages and chakras can really
Speaker 2: present in physical ways. Like if you're having a lot
Speaker 2: of headaches, that can mean maybe we're having some blockages
Speaker 2: in the crown or the third eye. If we're having
Speaker 2: a lot of stomach aches, that can be you know,
Speaker 2: let's check in with our self worth where are we
Speaker 2: at with that? Like back aches, lower back especially, which
Speaker 2: is a big one for me, Like let's look at
Speaker 2: our root chakra, let's look at our feelings around money,
Speaker 2: around safety, around stability, like are we feeling like ungrounded?
Speaker 2: So sometimes even if you're not in tune with the
Speaker 2: chakra system, if you're in tune enough with your body.
Speaker 2: It all kind of goes hand in hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know something interesting that you're saying, like even
Speaker 1: just thinking about going from like the throat to the stomach.
Speaker 1: And when I start getting into this film like a
Speaker 1: science nerdy aspect, I'm not trying to disminish magic at all.
Speaker 3: Some people I think take that from and that's not.
Speaker 1: But like I've even you know, thinking like if you're
Speaker 1: saying there's blockages or issues, there's even on my show,
Speaker 1: I started covering like herbs that would be used in
Speaker 1: magic and witchcraft and stuff. But I looked at it
Speaker 1: as you know, I also covered what they would normally
Speaker 1: be used for in their associations, and then I looked
Speaker 1: at it as how they affected our twelve cranial nerves
Speaker 1: and our vegas nerve does go from our throat down
Speaker 1: to our stomach. So I'm like, I'm wondering now when
Speaker 1: you're saying like blockages, there was certain herbs that would
Speaker 1: actually affect your vegas nerve and help relax, like your
Speaker 1: stomach are certain areas. So I'm like wondering, like now,
Speaker 1: like if you have one of those blockages, could you
Speaker 1: like literally like maybe actually use some sort of aromatherapy,
Speaker 1: I one of the ones that affects your vegas, nerve
Speaker 1: or your stomach and will help.
Speaker 3: Fix that blockage.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it kind of sounds like a nerdy
Speaker 3: way of you know, looking at it.
Speaker 2: But no, no, totally. I mean you're I will find
Speaker 2: I'll tell you too. And a lot of my clients,
Speaker 2: if they're sacral chakra is blocked, their throat is probably
Speaker 2: blocked because they are so connected, right that womb space
Speaker 2: and your throat, the you know, the desire that's those
Speaker 2: are both areas of desire, voicing what you desire, being feeling,
Speaker 2: worthy of pleasure, feeling you know, it's all tied together.
Speaker 2: And each shop is represented by a color, which means
Speaker 2: you know that that it can also be aroma therapy.
Speaker 2: Bergamott is orange. That's sacral chakra, right, so it all
Speaker 2: ties in.
Speaker 3: Nice nice Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, that I would say, like you acknowledge
Speaker 1: like the colors and associations that go with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I have, If I have clients that come,
Speaker 2: my I love when I have clients that come like
Speaker 2: on a monthly basis and we can really kind of
Speaker 2: get into the nitty gritty and really, you know, get
Speaker 2: some deep work done. And when they come with a
Speaker 2: bunch of chakras blocked, I'm telling them like, eat these foods,
Speaker 2: focus on these aroma therapies, do you know, chant sing go,
Speaker 2: stand in the grass, like giving them kind of tangible
Speaker 2: everyday things that they can do to help and to
Speaker 2: get them open.
Speaker 1: Nice. And how long have you been doing Ricky for
Speaker 1: You might have said it already and I.
Speaker 2: About three years.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been raking Master for probably two and a half.
Speaker 1: But I actually had that done once, and I do
Speaker 1: swear I believe that worked.
Speaker 3: I even went with like very skeptical woo woo shit.
Speaker 1: But like my friend was bringing me there, like I
Speaker 1: was just like wait, like no offense. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: don't seem like you're crazy, so maybe you know, maybe this.
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe there is something here, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: You seem like a well adjusted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was like, maybe this isn't nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I feel great.
Speaker 2: Actually, honestly, people will be like, oh you okay, that's weird.
Speaker 1: What's funny though, how that can actually change someone's perspective
Speaker 1: though it might actually make them open because like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, she's not crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that I have found for me.
Speaker 2: You know. I when I kind of made this switch
Speaker 2: from you know, into the world of the woo woo,
Speaker 2: I guess I did not like start over any of
Speaker 2: my social media's. I just kind of like switched over
Speaker 2: my content. So it's interesting the way, especially you know,
Speaker 2: I live in the Bible Belt, honey, like I. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so it's been an interesting kind of thing to
Speaker 2: become almost like a bridge for a lot of people
Speaker 2: that I've known growing up or you know, and they
Speaker 2: like a lot of girls that I went to high
Speaker 2: school with that were you know, cheerleaders and super popular.
Speaker 2: They'll like come to me now and be like, so
Speaker 2: I've always been kind of scared of taro, but if
Speaker 2: you do it, it can't be scary, you know. It's
Speaker 2: like they it's kind of been like I've been a
Speaker 2: kind of a bridge for people, Yeah, which is it's
Speaker 2: an honor. You know, it's want to like make it
Speaker 2: approachable because it's not scary at all. It's like because
Speaker 2: there's a devil card, all of a sudden, it's demonic
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, honey, that devil card is speaking
Speaker 2: about you thinking about the devil. Okay, the devil is
Speaker 2: about our humanness.
Speaker 1: I've tried to say that before on the show. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: man or you know, human can make this planet a
Speaker 1: living hell if they want to.
Speaker 3: Yep, you know, for somebody else. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, one thing I did want to ask you,
Speaker 1: and it's it's funny. It was actually a question that
Speaker 1: I had that I wanted to make sure I asked.
Speaker 1: And you've brought up the tower cards so many times
Speaker 1: on your own. What do you think is one of
Speaker 1: the misunderstood things about the tower card? About the tower card, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the tower card is Yeah, I might have said tower
Speaker 1: because of my accent. Tower card.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that the people assume that the
Speaker 2: tower card has to be a death, a divorce, a
Speaker 2: huge shift, and it can represent that, but it can
Speaker 2: also just represent like a crumbling of belief systems, right
Speaker 2: like if you are starting to look at something in
Speaker 2: a different way. If you know, you are in a
Speaker 2: friendship and you thought one person was one way and
Speaker 2: they turn out to be another way, the tower car
Speaker 2: can pop up. So it's really it's you know, while
Speaker 2: it can be representative of those big life events. You know,
Speaker 2: if if you pull the tower and it's like a
Speaker 2: regular ass day and you're not going through anything crazy,
Speaker 2: you can be like, what is that about? Well? Where
Speaker 2: do I need to maybe look at how I'm navigating?
Speaker 2: Like how could I perhaps approach something from a different way?
Speaker 2: How could I, you know, rewrite the narrative if I
Speaker 2: need to. I think that it can. It can be
Speaker 2: more nuanced than it just be, you know, like it
Speaker 2: can mean those huge things, but it can also just
Speaker 2: mean maybe there's some narratives that need shifting.
Speaker 1: No, I like that. I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my favorite car one of them, is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It is? Yeah, I love it. I think it
Speaker 2: wakes you up, you know. I like the ones that
Speaker 2: people are scared of.
Speaker 3: That's funny, I swear I had.
Speaker 1: One of my next questions was going to be what
Speaker 1: cards do you think a lot of people fear that
Speaker 1: you don't see that way?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, of course death And if I have
Speaker 2: a nickel, Yeah, if I had a nickel, for every
Speaker 2: time I was like starting or reading, people were like,
Speaker 2: just don't pull death, Like, oh, you know, like but
Speaker 2: within tarot death means that could.
Speaker 3: Be really good.
Speaker 2: Actually, exactly. My catchphrase for death in Tarot is you
Speaker 2: need a new couch, and you can't get a new
Speaker 2: couch unless you get rid of the old ratty ass couch.
Speaker 2: You can't have two couches. Right. So with death, it's
Speaker 2: about the things that we have clung to that we've
Speaker 2: maybe felt were defining us. Right, It's it's like let
Speaker 2: it go, move on, Like death is coming in to
Speaker 2: let you know, like it's the end. It's the end
Speaker 2: of the cycle. And that's a beautiful thing because it's
Speaker 2: making room. Sometimes we feel so stuck and we want
Speaker 2: so desperately for something new to come, but we don't
Speaker 2: have room for it. Like you got to clear out
Speaker 2: the couch, You gotta clean out the closet so we
Speaker 2: can make some room for something new to come in.
Speaker 2: So that's death then, like I said, with the Devil,
Speaker 2: people see that they're terrified. The devil is about you.
Speaker 2: It's about the devil on your shoulder. It's about temptations, vices, addictions.
Speaker 2: It's about cycles that we're clinging to or stuck in.
Speaker 2: It's about complacency and comfort zones, you know. It's about
Speaker 2: like the things that, yeah, the things that you need
Speaker 2: to break the chains. My thing with that's is always
Speaker 2: the chain by Fleetwood Mac. If you don't love me now,
Speaker 2: you don't never love me again, Like break the chain.
Speaker 2: It's toxicity of some kind. But it's not you know,
Speaker 2: not going to have like a demon popping up in
Speaker 2: your bedroom because you pulled the devil card. It's all yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all just you.
Speaker 3: Know, even on some terrible.
Speaker 1: Religious Yes, yes, I agree with I agree, I know,
Speaker 1: I totally agree.
Speaker 3: I totally agree that.
Speaker 1: Even with deck card, depending on what deck, some of
Speaker 1: the people that are even chained up, you can even
Speaker 1: tell that the chains is so loose by their hands.
Speaker 3: You could take that all.
Speaker 2: You sure can.
Speaker 3: It's like, yo, it's an illusion that's got you.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's like looking at where have I given control away?
Speaker 2: I'm telling myself that I'm not in control because that's
Speaker 2: easier than facing the fact that I am in control
Speaker 2: and can make the change. I'd rather believe that someone
Speaker 2: else is in control because that lets me off the hook.
Speaker 2: But the devil is like, no, honey, you can change it.
Speaker 2: You just have to have the balls to do it yourself.
Speaker 1: Even sometimes depending on what dick you're looking at, how
Speaker 1: he's like almost like standing on a podium. It's like, God, damnit,
Speaker 1: that's just fucking today, man, Yeah, scary down.
Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, man, is that now you didn't see
Speaker 3: the future?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that emperor in reverse is popping up a lot now.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: The emperor has no clothes.
Speaker 1: Honey, oh boy, oh oh? What card do you think
Speaker 1: represents your own life path right now? Like?
Speaker 3: What are you going through right now?
Speaker 1: That you know?
Speaker 3: I have to be two persons?
Speaker 2: No, I love that question. That's a good one. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of I'm kind of I'm always in my high
Speaker 2: priestess energy right just with what I do for a living,
Speaker 2: I'm like always kind of living in that high priestess
Speaker 2: mystical being, that kind of bridge between spirit and you know, reality,
Speaker 2: I guess. But I think on a personal level, I
Speaker 2: am in between like my Empress and hermit face. I'm
Speaker 2: a mom, so I have a two year old and yeah,
Speaker 2: and so that's kind of you know, that eternal mother energy.
Speaker 2: I'm also a tourist and that always gets yeah. And
Speaker 2: then the hermit, you know, I'm a life path nine
Speaker 2: and the hermit is about going within in her wisdom
Speaker 2: shadow work, and so I'm kind of always on that path.
Speaker 2: I think I'm also an only child, so shot herman
Speaker 2: energy speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, it's funny about you. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe the tower actually we love it, love it, ye know.
Speaker 1: I'm just like given to my personal life even with
Speaker 1: the podcast and just I've been a lot of fucking
Speaker 1: a lot of ship has changed and realize that I've
Speaker 1: even believed like illusions for a pretty long fucking time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's some moon energy too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh, it's funny.
Speaker 1: When you said high Priest this first, I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I would have shot straight for the Empress, just to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, she's in there too.
Speaker 3: I don't know said.
Speaker 2: I was like, nice, Yeah, I can't choose between them.
Speaker 2: I like to kind of ride that line.
Speaker 1: Well, I was like, she's kind of like the top chick,
Speaker 1: So I was like, I just just to say that
Speaker 1: to pray and be like she is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take it.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's a gangster card. It might even I agree.
Speaker 1: Nice. Uh, all right, let me see I do you
Speaker 1: have I might have some more on reiki that I
Speaker 1: didn't really ask.
Speaker 3: Oh, now do you do you do you do sound
Speaker 3: healing too?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: That is all right, do you mind?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but just'll spend a little bit of time
Speaker 1: about me explaining that, because I don't think I've never
Speaker 1: had anybody off for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm an energetic sound healer, which means I'm
Speaker 2: certified in energetic sound therapy. So while you know you
Speaker 2: see sound baths everywhere where people lay down and they
Speaker 2: play the bulls like around them with like a gong,
Speaker 2: I work with bowls that sit directly on the body.
Speaker 2: So you come in for a session the same way
Speaker 2: you would for reiki. You know, you lay on the table,
Speaker 2: but I'm placing the bulls physically on the body. And
Speaker 2: I always describe it like it's like intensely relaxing. It
Speaker 2: sends these vibrations deep into a cellular level. And if
Speaker 2: you think about it, you know, we're all water. So
Speaker 2: when you put water inside one of these bowls and
Speaker 2: you hit it, it literally creates sacred geometry within the water.
Speaker 2: It's aligning yourselves. It's aligning you on a molecular level.
Speaker 2: So when these bowls are placed on the body, I
Speaker 2: describe it as like a jackhammer on concrete. I find
Speaker 2: it to be very healing for men, especially like I mean,
Speaker 2: it's healing for everybody, but for some reason, men, I guess,
Speaker 2: just because it's so tangible, men really respond to it,
Speaker 2: like and so I have a lot of my male
Speaker 2: clients are really into it. So yeah, I have been
Speaker 2: a sound healer for a little over a year. That's
Speaker 2: like my newest kind of addition to my spiritual tool belt,
Speaker 2: and I love it. It has enhanced my own practice
Speaker 2: tenfold because when I am doing a session, I'm also
Speaker 2: reaping the benefits, which is amazing, right, and that it's
Speaker 2: that way with everything, but with the sound, it just
Speaker 2: feels like I guess because I'm a Taurus and I
Speaker 2: love that kind of like tangible earth energy. It just
Speaker 2: feels very very tangible. That's like the best way I
Speaker 2: can describe it. Like you can feel it, touch it,
Speaker 2: hear it. It's it's kind of this all encompassing practice
Speaker 2: where with reiki, you know, it's it's all energy and
Speaker 2: it's gentle and the and the energy flows where it goes.
Speaker 2: And but I yeah, I think it's a really beautiful,
Speaker 2: really impactful form of metaphysical therapy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been it's been pretty cool to watch the kind of
Speaker 2: like progression of clients that have come to me for
Speaker 2: for sound healing. Now, I just had a client right
Speaker 2: before this who she's on her like eighth or ninth session,
Speaker 2: and she when she came in, I mean she was
Speaker 2: literally like a ball of tears and every chakra was
Speaker 2: blocked and like and today every chakra is open, and
Speaker 2: it's almost it's like watching her move to the other side.
Speaker 2: It's just a really beautiful process that I'm honored to witness.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know that stuff. Uh, I totally believe
Speaker 1: it works. It's interesting that you said, you know, men
Speaker 1: seem to respond to it a lot. I have, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I love the music. I've listened to it before.
Speaker 1: But like one time I was at an event in Florida.
Speaker 1: It was some Bigfoot events. Somehow I found myself down
Speaker 1: and it didn't really fit in at all, and I
Speaker 1: had a table and there was a chick there at
Speaker 1: the other side though, that was actually doing those singing
Speaker 1: bulls and like yo, I tell you, like anytime she
Speaker 1: went and did those things for somebody, it's just like
Speaker 1: it just like it grabbed my I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: and like I like listened to be like, oh, what's
Speaker 1: coming next.
Speaker 3: Like I wanted to hear it myself too.
Speaker 1: It's very it was just for some reason, very captivating
Speaker 1: to start to hear, and like she had the good
Speaker 1: real ones, so like that shit, I was just like, wow,
Speaker 1: that sounds beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really are. They're so beautiful. It's yeah, well,
Speaker 2: our brain responds to those different frequencies, right, Like you're
Speaker 2: you're a science nerd, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know, it's funny you're talking about this, And I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I gotta se if there's any academics stuff on this.
Speaker 3: Actually, I was like it's this guy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like this might be a good topic.
Speaker 2: A lot sound healing, Yeah, and I find it's a
Speaker 2: really beautiful compliment to reiki, Like the two go together
Speaker 2: really well. I do a lot. I have an offering
Speaker 2: called the tune Up actually, and that is kind of
Speaker 2: half reiky half sound it. Yeah, we got the tune
Speaker 2: Up money and that's what it is. It's an energetic
Speaker 2: tune up, you know. And and the two together just
Speaker 2: really are a nice compliment.
Speaker 1: No, it makes sense. Yeah, that's what with the reiki
Speaker 1: and this this sound stuff. I honestly figured it probably
Speaker 1: went hand in hand with like your services or like
Speaker 1: just complimented each other, like you said, for sure, Yeah
Speaker 1: that is cool. And how long have you been doing
Speaker 1: that for?
Speaker 3: I think you might have said it just a little
Speaker 3: over a year.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, nice? Nice?
Speaker 3: Yeah you having fun with it?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love it. I since we got this space,
Speaker 2: you know, the cool part. I was working out of
Speaker 2: my home for a little while, about a year and
Speaker 2: a half, two years, and then we got this space,
Speaker 2: and it's just been incredible. The amount of growth and
Speaker 2: the consistency of clients has been really amazing, you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, when you work out of your home, people,
Speaker 2: at least for me, I found it wasn't as consistent.
Speaker 2: People didn't come on a monthly basis the way they
Speaker 2: do here. And so it's been really cool to have
Speaker 2: like these consistent clients now since we've had this space
Speaker 2: and really see the progression. And you know, of course
Speaker 2: have to do work outside of here too, it has
Speaker 2: to be you know, it's teamwork for sure, but that's
Speaker 2: been kind of the coolest part. And I have found
Speaker 2: that the sound I got my sound certification about a
Speaker 2: month after we opened this space, so they've kind of
Speaker 2: grown together. Yeah, so I found that the sound has
Speaker 2: been a really beautiful addition.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I, like I said, it makes total sense
Speaker 1: to be I mean, why not you know, I did
Speaker 1: want to ask, like, since you have Taro, you have reiki,
Speaker 1: and then this sound, do you think those all three
Speaker 1: might separately kind of impact the person in their own
Speaker 1: separate ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yes, I you know if i'm you know,
Speaker 2: I have an offering that's all three. You know, you
Speaker 2: can come and get your reading, get reiki, get sound.
Speaker 2: It's called the triple threat. And I think Taro, like
Speaker 2: you said in the beginning, is so psychological. And I
Speaker 2: always start with Taro because for me as a practitioner,
Speaker 2: it kind of guides where the Reikian sound will go.
Speaker 2: Because with Taro, we're getting down to the nitty gritty.
Speaker 2: We're having like the real conversations, right, You're letting me
Speaker 2: know what the fuck is up, Like what is going on?
Speaker 2: What do we want to change, what do we want
Speaker 2: to keep? What? And so from there, you know, we
Speaker 2: get clarity, and then we go in in the mind,
Speaker 2: and then we go into the body. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, It's it's this kind of mind, body, soul,
Speaker 2: all encompassing thing. So yeah, I think I think you
Speaker 2: get I think you get individual things from each and
Speaker 2: then I think the three together can be really transformative
Speaker 2: and powerful.
Speaker 1: No, that's how That's kind of how I looked at
Speaker 1: it when I you know, when I realized, like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is everything that you were doing and kind of
Speaker 1: so each one is like a almost like you said,
Speaker 1: a different attack. Yeah, yeah, to like really like again,
Speaker 1: like the sound is going to be frequency, the cards
Speaker 1: are going to be psychological, you know, and then the
Speaker 1: rates it's actually like a multi layered tweaking.
Speaker 3: Kind of And I was like, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even like scientifically, I could see a lot of
Speaker 1: shit going on in the person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all going together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been It's impressive.
Speaker 2: It's been a cool thing to kind of explore and
Speaker 2: discover and see, you know, as a practitioner, how it
Speaker 2: flows best for me. And you know, that's the cool
Speaker 2: part is like I write my own rules when it
Speaker 2: comes to it. I get to decide what feels good,
Speaker 2: and that is the perk of doing this work. Is
Speaker 2: like you can come to me and get a tarot reading,
Speaker 2: a reiki healing, a sound healing, and then you could
Speaker 2: go to somebody else and get the same three things,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be totally different and it's gonna
Speaker 2: you're gonna get different things out of it, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't have to even be a comparisan, right Like, that
Speaker 2: is the beauty full part of this work. It's so
Speaker 2: personal and the way it's going to impact you is
Speaker 2: so personal and different. I have people to come in
Speaker 2: for reiki and I say, if if all that happens
Speaker 2: today is you took an hour to lay on a
Speaker 2: table and turn your phone off, Hell yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. If that is, if that is what
Speaker 2: you walk away with, great, then I have other people
Speaker 2: that I'm like, if you feel like you just got
Speaker 2: off a wooden roller coaster or you feel like you're
Speaker 2: floating on the ceiling, like that's a thing too, you know,
Speaker 2: and you never know. I don't know how you're going
Speaker 2: to feel or how it's going to affect you, but
Speaker 2: there's no downside. If the least that happens is you
Speaker 2: just get an an hour to relax, then hell yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Day and age, we all
Speaker 2: needed an hour to unplug.
Speaker 1: So oh, I totally agree. That's a that's an improvement
Speaker 1: right there. For real for most people, especially with like
Speaker 1: social media and stuff people attached of phones. That's a breakthrough.
Speaker 2: That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Even just the fact that because of the podcast, I
Speaker 1: have to use social media, like you know, that's how
Speaker 1: I booked you. Oh man, if I didn't have to
Speaker 1: use that, I only ever be on that tell you
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: I know, I know that's been such a learning curve
Speaker 2: for me to I feel like I'm it's a full
Speaker 2: time job in itself, you know, just trying to market
Speaker 2: yourself and be a grow your following and your platform,
Speaker 2: and like it's it's a other thing like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just just wondering because I you know, thinking
Speaker 1: now that you're into like the sound bowls, oh you know,
Speaker 1: like the Crystal Bals, do you think like hymns and
Speaker 1: mantras and maybe like drums and chants that you think
Speaker 1: that all looks kind of like a affecting the person
Speaker 1: but maybe in a different way, Like do you see
Speaker 1: them all kind of like in the same area kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I I'm a firm
Speaker 2: believer in you know, frequencies and what you put out
Speaker 2: is what comes back, and so you know, chanting drums,
Speaker 2: any sort of sound therapy at all, I think is
Speaker 2: going to have a similar effect. Right, It's all about
Speaker 2: raising the frequency, getting your body on that level, getting
Speaker 2: your mind everything on that level, and then if we're
Speaker 2: at that higher frequency, then that's what we're attracting. So
Speaker 2: it all kind of goes hand in hand. I think
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in mantras, big believer in affirmations.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, affirmations for me are a huge part of
Speaker 2: my practice. Yeah, repetition, repetition thoughts become.
Speaker 3: Things you do. You use sigils.
Speaker 2: Occasionally, yeah, occasionally, you know, I have I practice lamor
Speaker 2: magic that like part of my own personal practice and
Speaker 2: so on my glamour magic altar, I have a candle
Speaker 2: of sigils that I drew into it. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. I think my witchcraft journey is interesting.
Speaker 2: I certainly practice, but I'm not I'm maybe not as
Speaker 2: witchy quote unquote as I think.
Speaker 3: I know what you again, I think I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I do have an altar space, I do
Speaker 2: have sigils but I that I use. But I also
Speaker 2: I'm not like, you know, constantly practicing witchcraft where I
Speaker 2: like have a cauldron in candles and stuff like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think it's more for me. It's more
Speaker 2: of like an embodied practice.
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense, it goes along with you.
Speaker 1: I guess your that you have that, Yeah, yourself, I
Speaker 1: totally I know what you get in there for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure, I'm pretty much the same way. Yeah. One thing,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how long we went on, only because
Speaker 1: there was like so many questions I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: about all this other stuff. Do you mind if maybe
Speaker 1: we spend like maybe ten or fifteen minutes talking about
Speaker 1: the ghost go something or something.
Speaker 2: Like that, or if not, okay, talk about ghost day
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: I just I didn't want to hold your hostage like,
Speaker 1: oh god, like you know it's almost.
Speaker 2: I have to be done by four thirties.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no where?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah no, yep, that's perfect. We'll be done before then.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So what got you into?
Speaker 1: Obviously we know that you're into the paranormal from young
Speaker 1: but like, what was it that got into like I'm
Speaker 1: going to go go something now?
Speaker 2: Okay? Well I got to give a shout out to
Speaker 2: O G. Ghost Hunters sci Fi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched the favorite.
Speaker 2: Hawes and Grant, Like I watched that series from the
Speaker 2: time it came out, it was like two thousand and
Speaker 2: two thousand and three. Yeah, I was obsessed with Steve,
Speaker 2: like I was gonna marry him like that, like for real,
Speaker 2: I was in in it. So I gotta give credit
Speaker 2: where credits due. Okay, like ghost when was Sci Fi Network,
Speaker 2: but I that's where it started. And then from there,
Speaker 2: you know, it was all the ghost shows Paranormal State.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, yeah, like the early early ghost shows. Never
Speaker 2: been a ghost of Country's Girl, but yeah. And so
Speaker 2: I became a ghost tour guide in Minneapolis. I lived
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis for about a year and a half and
Speaker 2: I was a ghost tour guide there on Saint Anthony Maine,
Speaker 2: which is the oldest street in Minneapolis, and it's like
Speaker 2: the oldest string of brick buildings in the city. And
Speaker 2: on that ghost tour, we gave everyone that came on
Speaker 2: the tour their own paranormal investigation kit, so they had
Speaker 2: an EMF detector, dowsing rods, a flashlight, and maybe something
Speaker 2: else that might be it. And so on the tour
Speaker 2: there was the guide, the tour historian, and a medium
Speaker 2: and so that was kind of my first time actively
Speaker 2: goes tunning while also running the tour, so it was
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, double duty, kind of learning as
Speaker 2: I went. And it's also my first time working closely
Speaker 2: with a medium, which was really cool. And now my
Speaker 2: business partner's a medium, so you know all of that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: who's also in my paranormal group. So yeah, that was
Speaker 2: kind of my first foray and then it just became
Speaker 2: a passion. And when I met Brooke, my business partner,
Speaker 2: she also shared the same passion and she's an evidential
Speaker 2: medium in psychic and she she catches the coolest evidence, dude,
Speaker 2: Like she has some of the best video I've ever
Speaker 2: seen from like random tours she goes on. It's crazy,
Speaker 2: Like I'll have to send you some of it. Like
Speaker 2: I've never seen such clear video of spirit than what
Speaker 2: she captures. And so yeah, when we kind of got together,
Speaker 2: we were like, we should start a thing, and so
Speaker 2: we did. And so last year we went to Virginia
Speaker 2: to investigate. This year we're hosting a paranormal retreat in Savannah,
Speaker 2: so it's a women's only retreat in July.
Speaker 3: We're investigating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're investigating the Savannah Theater in the Currell weaed house.
Speaker 2: We have private investigations of both of those. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we're pumped. So everybody that comes on the retreat gets
Speaker 2: their own paranormal kit to keep. But we also were
Speaker 2: teaching not only investigative tactics, and you know, I am
Speaker 2: like science based when I investigate, very much a debunker
Speaker 2: from the get go, like I want to Yeah, I
Speaker 2: want to eliminate everything that it could possibly be before
Speaker 2: my brain takes me to its parents.
Speaker 1: That's very much ghost Aventures, I mean ghost hunters ghost Hunters, Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, ghost Aventure is completely opposite direction.
Speaker 1: No ghost Hunters, I remember, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: I respected the show is that they were trying to
Speaker 1: figure out, like, all right, how is this actually maybe
Speaker 1: happening naturally before we start seeing it?
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the cool part is though, with my with
Speaker 2: my business partner being a medium, the thing that we
Speaker 2: kind of bring to the table that not everybody does
Speaker 2: is we follow these investigative tactics that are science based,
Speaker 2: but we also have the intuitive side of it. So
Speaker 2: it's this kind of best of both worlds energy. So
Speaker 2: at the retreat, not only will we be investigating with
Speaker 2: our equipment and everything, but We're also going to kind
Speaker 2: of teach how to tap in and about psychic protection
Speaker 2: and you know how we can go into these spaces
Speaker 2: and make sure that we're not taking anything back with us.
Speaker 2: So this is kind of all encompassing thing, which is
Speaker 2: really beautiful because I've always I always feel like I
Speaker 2: kind of walked that line in the middle of you know,
Speaker 2: investigator and intuitive and so we're kinda we're just stay
Speaker 2: on the line.
Speaker 1: I guess nice.
Speaker 3: That is awesome. What kind of equipment do you use?
Speaker 2: Well, we are a big fan of the Esta method.
Speaker 2: I love the Estus methods box. Yes, this method, Yeah,
Speaker 2: where you use the headphones and the have you seen
Speaker 2: that what is it called that blindfold? Good gosh is
Speaker 2: bord and use the spirit box to communicate. So big
Speaker 2: fan of that. We have run pods, yeah, all of it.
Speaker 2: You know. I also always pull taro always uh uh
Speaker 2: investigations to start. So I use tarot as a tool
Speaker 2: for investigation as we're moving through the night, like if
Speaker 2: we feel stuck on what direction to go, were kind
Speaker 2: of like what to ask. So tarot, you know, is
Speaker 2: a big tool for me on investigations.
Speaker 1: Also, that is.
Speaker 3: Cool bringing taro, Yeah, have you ever seen.
Speaker 1: Those other things where they put like the headphones on
Speaker 1: and then they'll put like those kind of almost like
Speaker 1: ping pong bowl things around their face and the flashes
Speaker 1: like the red light.
Speaker 2: Yes I have. I have not done that. But the
Speaker 2: do you know who Greg and Dana Newkirk are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a huge fan. I'm trying to get them all.
Speaker 2: Have you seen yeah? Oh my god, Oh have you
Speaker 2: seen Hellier?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I love Heller out who they were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they they do that, that's one of their experiments.
Speaker 2: I have not done that. I would love to, but
Speaker 2: I I'm not sure if that's something for sailor if
Speaker 2: they made that. I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I think some people kind of figure out to make it,
Speaker 1: because I haven't yet. I haven't come across like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, buy this. You know. The reason I even
Speaker 1: brought that up is in and you know, I was
Speaker 1: covering this as I was looking into this stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't think I was like realizing fully until I started
Speaker 1: putting it together, and then I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: I hope people don't like think I'm saying this to
Speaker 1: discredit it. But the weird thing is about that setup.
Speaker 1: I did an episode recently hasn't dropped yet that was
Speaker 1: on like the effects of flickering lights, candles, or even
Speaker 1: staring at flames of certain lights on your brain and
Speaker 1: what it will start to do. And when it comes
Speaker 1: to a flickering candle, believe it or not. And even
Speaker 1: if you were to take a strobe light and I
Speaker 1: can get it to ten hurts, which is ten flashes
Speaker 1: a second. Everybody doesn't matter man, woman, what country, and
Speaker 1: wherever you are. If you do that to somebody and
Speaker 1: their eyes are closed, they will all start to exhibit
Speaker 1: seeing the same specific images, which is really weird, like spirals,
Speaker 1: checkered floors, certain geometric shapes, so they're assuming that that's
Speaker 1: something inside, Like you've got to be tapping into something
Speaker 1: inside everybody's head with that. So then like that mask
Speaker 1: was also included in some of the research studies I
Speaker 1: was showing, and that will make you hallucinate ship regardless.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, do those people who
Speaker 1: use it when they're doing that stuff paranormal wise, No,
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen regardless. Like I just realized, like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I hope people take it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't never tried it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was like.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like E m DR therapy uses
Speaker 2: the splashing lines to like retrain the brain, So.
Speaker 1: Damn it, I should I should have threw that in there.
Speaker 2: You can do you want to come back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, edit, I could edit the audio. I'm not doing
Speaker 1: the video. Yeah, I'll throw it into the audio at
Speaker 1: the end given the credit. That's cool though, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what. And how many you've done a few investigations.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we we did the Bellamy Mansion in Wilmington,
Speaker 2: North Carolina, the Blue Ball in which was what it
Speaker 2: was called in Virginia, which was a really interesting place.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we I've done a lot of investigations outside
Speaker 2: of Three Veils. We just started about a year ago.
Speaker 2: And our our third member is a teacher, so she
Speaker 2: does our tech and she's amazing, but it does make
Speaker 2: our availability a little difficult. It has to be, you know,
Speaker 2: and with the toddler and everything. So yeah, we're on
Speaker 2: the docket. We have the two in Savannah and then
Speaker 2: we hope to places. Yeah, there's a few other places
Speaker 2: that we're trying to go. I really want to go
Speaker 2: to Nashville and investigation. Yeah, Patsy I'm a huge Patsy
Speaker 2: client fan, and her one of her homes is open
Speaker 2: for investigation. So that's like big on my bucket list.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have such a long paranormal bucket list.
Speaker 1: That was very interesting spot. I was there, not too long, well,
Speaker 1: it was probably over. No, actually it was a while ago.
Speaker 1: Play over two and a half years ago. Damn. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I still have this footage and haven't done
Speaker 1: anything with it. I went out there and I just,
Speaker 1: I don't know, for some reason, I was like, let
Speaker 1: me bring my video equipment. I was going, I think
Speaker 1: then I was. I was married at that time. I'm
Speaker 1: divorced now, but my wife at the time had to
Speaker 1: go to Nashville for like something to do with work,
Speaker 1: and I was able to go kind of with her
Speaker 1: basically and hang around. It was like, oh, I'll bring
Speaker 1: some of my recording equipment and maybe go check out someone.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: I knew there was a freemason a cold down in Nashville,
Speaker 1: so I was like, maybe I'll go check it out.
Speaker 1: And I just started noticing like the most ridiculous occult
Speaker 1: architectural all over that city, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: the And I got tons of it, and I've been
Speaker 1: wanting to go back. But yeah, that's a very interesting,
Speaker 1: very interesting area. All the government buildings that may sonic
Speaker 1: hole and the is it a library museum, they all
Speaker 1: share the same fucking stuff on their buildings. I'm like,
Speaker 1: nobody like that's sketchy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I'm onto you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, h yeah, No, I just thought it
Speaker 1: was very interesting. But no, I could see that being
Speaker 1: like probably a great spot to go for paranormal stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, full circle. But Franklin, where I
Speaker 2: grew up, is only twenty miles south, and so I
Speaker 2: think a lot of the places there are kind of
Speaker 2: like bucket less paranormal for me, just because it's such
Speaker 2: a like personal connection. So we'll see that's kind of
Speaker 2: in the we'd like to maybe do that in the fall.
Speaker 1: Nice. I hope you make it though. It's really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, I think can wrap it up here. I
Speaker 1: got enough questions in the paranormal. We can always have
Speaker 1: you come back. Maybe after you do this investigation, it
Speaker 1: could have you come back on can talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love that. Maybe my business can come too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you could pick her brain honey, because.
Speaker 1: She is no, for sure, she is more than Maria.
Speaker 1: Cool cool, awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we love that.
Speaker 1: I had a great time Riley, really interesting, uh, really
Speaker 1: interesting stuff that you're into it.
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on. It was cool to be
Speaker 3: able to talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. It was It was a
Speaker 2: great conversation. I really appreciate having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely. Please let everybody know where they can
Speaker 1: find all your stuff and your sites and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you wanted to book a reading with me,
Speaker 2: I have virtual and in person you go to www
Speaker 2: dot lee in tune dot com, l E I G
Speaker 2: h I N t U n e dot com. You
Speaker 2: can find me on Instagram at Lee in Tune or
Speaker 2: on TikTok at lee in Tune.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Again, thank you very much for coming on. Hopefully
Speaker 1: forward to having a conversation with you again in the future.
Speaker 1: And uh that's the end of another Recult Rejects and
Speaker 1: until the next one, everybody be well later.