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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen. What? What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>I help? Welcome back to the Occult Rejects Today. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got a very special guest on, somebody I was very

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<v Speaker 1>excited to get on after I was talking to them

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<v Speaker 1>for a bit and found out they also did paranormal work.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this may be the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually had I don't know what to go cult

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<v Speaker 1>this or a witch or whatever on the show that

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<v Speaker 1>also is into paranormal. We've had paranormal people on, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of them were into that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>so I would assume this might be from a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a different lens, which can be exciting. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into all of that, we will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Taro as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>Please everybody know what's going on and where they can

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<v Speaker 1>find all of your stuff as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, hello, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I am honored to be here. My name is Lee Savagejoe.

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<v Speaker 2>My business name, I suppose is Lee in Tune and

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<v Speaker 2>you can find me on Instagram at Lee in Tune

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<v Speaker 2>l E I g H. The right way to spell

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<v Speaker 2>it Lee in Tune. My website Leetune dot com. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an intuitive tarot reader, I'm a ranking master, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an energetic sound healer, and I am also a paranormal investigator.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a all female paranormal investigation group called Three

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<v Speaker 2>Veils Paranormal.

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<v Speaker 1>That is awesome. It all it's all women. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know know that that's great. It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, three of us nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you guys don't want away from the ghost Like,

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<v Speaker 1>who's that guy on a ghost Adventures?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, who's this boy that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's always sticking in the most fucked up situations? I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot the dudes now, yeahs like send him in there

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah Aaron, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the poor guy's wife tries to kill him too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god, I know, talk about crazy man wild.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't catch a bird.

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<v Speaker 2>Run Unlike some big old grown men that like to

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<v Speaker 2>investigate paranormal. We are not runners.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. So I guess, actually, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>since you have kind of like both of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess first what I mean, what was it that

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<v Speaker 1>you got into first, like kind of like witchcraft or paranormal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think paranormal came first. Yeah, when I like very

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<v Speaker 2>quick recap. But when I was eight years old, we

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Franklin, Tennessee, which is a little bit south

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<v Speaker 2>of Nashville, and it's a huge Civil War town. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a battle there and I believe it was the

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<v Speaker 2>most bloodshed and the least amount of time during the

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<v Speaker 2>Civil War. And uh so there's a massive Confederate cemetery there,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of historic properties, and I was instantly like fascinated,

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<v Speaker 2>and not because I also love history, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>so just enamored by by the feeling of it and

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<v Speaker 2>all of the history and the kind of eeriness of

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<v Speaker 2>the cemetery. And I would ask my parents on the

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<v Speaker 2>weekends if we could go back to these places and

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<v Speaker 2>explore the cemeteries. And and I remember very vividly at

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<v Speaker 2>a very young age just being so into the anything haunted,

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<v Speaker 2>anything that may have a ghost, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>like in it. And so my love for the paranormal,

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<v Speaker 2>I think really fueled kind of the path that I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up taking into tarot and metaphysical work. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the ghosts, the ghost came first, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had a feeling because that's even kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like I guess my situation that you know, my even

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<v Speaker 1>though my parents were rather kind of religion growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>or especially my mom, she still believed in ghosts and aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that kind of helped her, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>open me up to other things. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I don't know where you raise Catholic.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, Catholic and Christians like kind of back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point my mom, My mom was like fuck

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholic Church and she was like a Christian some shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why she got like that, but she did.

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<v Speaker 2>I just find like the Catholic like the Catholicism to

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<v Speaker 2>spirituality pipeline is like it's like a real thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Catholicism is so mystical in itself, and it's you know, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the preaching of the miracles and you know that the

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<v Speaker 2>incense in church, and I think it's like such a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of interesting, you know, foray into into metaphysics.

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<v Speaker 3>I was raised Catholics, so I totally agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>We were talking about that on the show not too

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<v Speaker 3>long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just kind of like a little thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked about here for a few seconds. How like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 1>have no, and there was people on the show that

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<v Speaker 1>Catholicism I think kind of like if you're ceremonial magician,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's really the difference, you know, I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>like the way it looks, it's going to be very

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<v Speaker 1>easy for you to switch over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's all about ritual, right, ritual and tradition

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, reverence and sanctity like it all. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all just one woven web.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I agree, I totally agree. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I asked all my guests, what was

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<v Speaker 1>it that got you into the cult, witchcraft, whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>call it, you know, for you for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, like I said, living in that really historic

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<v Speaker 2>place was kind of my entry way. But my mom

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<v Speaker 2>also was super into ghosts and psychics and was a

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<v Speaker 2>firm believer in the other side. So I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>grew up always you know, she loves scary movies and

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<v Speaker 2>so it was kind of our thing. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>discovered probably around ten that I, this is gonna this

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<v Speaker 2>is crazy, but that I could smell ghosts. So so yes,

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<v Speaker 2>my grandma also could. And the reason we discovered this

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<v Speaker 2>was because my grandma's house was extremely haunted in Fayetteville,

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. She just recently passed away. I'm sure she

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<v Speaker 2>is haunting the shit out of that house herself now,

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<v Speaker 2>but her house is extremely haunted, always has been. And

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<v Speaker 2>I vividly remember going into one of those historic places

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<v Speaker 2>and saying that it smelled like Grandma's house. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I found that every place I went that was supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>haunted or you know, I would smell the same smell.

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<v Speaker 2>And my grandma kind of caught onto this and she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I think you have what I have. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's this kind of passed down trait. Fast forward thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years or you know, twenty five years. I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite podcasts, which is called Psychic Teachers,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a huge kind of like gateway in for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're talking about the Clayers, which you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>Clairvoyance and Claire Aliens, and one of them is psychic smelling.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had this like epiphany where I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I have that. I have that. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of it, I've never heard of anybody besides me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to look into that after the show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is really weird. Yeah, I'm something that was.

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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of my first inkling that maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>was a little more sensitive or or in tune than

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<v Speaker 2>the average Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think, so yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And then it all just kind of evolved,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I also my degrees in musical theater. Theater

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<v Speaker 2>in itself is full of super stition, and you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the theater kid to tarot reader pipeline is also one

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<v Speaker 2>that should probably be studied.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, it's funny. When I was in high

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<v Speaker 3>school that did rupt.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of people that were in theater

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<v Speaker 1>that were also kind of open to witchcraft and that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking about it now, oh wow, yeah change.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, the whole purpose of theater is

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<v Speaker 2>suspension of belief, right like to make to bring people

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<v Speaker 2>in and make them believe what's happening, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>think they kind of go hand in hand.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I could see that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I got my first tarot deck when I

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<v Speaker 2>was eighteen. I'm about to be thirty seven in a

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<v Speaker 2>few days, so I'm not reading Taro for a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time. And Taro for me has just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>always been like the backbone of my practice and my spirituality.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, it all kind of unfolded from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. What was the first Tarot deck, if you remember, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the rider Weight Smith. I have it in my

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<v Speaker 2>car still. It literally lives in my in my middle console.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't wrapped with the exact same lime green scrunchy

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<v Speaker 2>that it has been wrapped in since I was eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, it's yeah, so any if you ever, if

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<v Speaker 2>you follow me on social media, anytime I'm in my

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<v Speaker 2>car doing like a Tarot, yeah, it's it's from that deck,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that is my og.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so so yeah, I'm a firm believer that if

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<v Speaker 2>you are going to start, if you're interested in starting

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<v Speaker 2>to read Tarot, I am a firm believer that you

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<v Speaker 2>should start with the rider Weight Smith deck. I am

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I agree, Yeah, I just I feel that

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<v Speaker 2>it's the basis. It's the basis for all Tarot decks.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety nine point nine percent of them are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be based on that imagery and on that symbolism, and

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<v Speaker 2>so starting there is always going to give you a

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<v Speaker 2>really nice understanding, and then from there you can pick

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<v Speaker 2>up any deck and read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That's actually a great suggestion, if I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>the right of way does even have like the associations

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<v Speaker 1>on them, right, like they'll have like the planetary or

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<v Speaker 1>things on them.

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<v Speaker 2>It does not.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, for some reason I thought it did.

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<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't have any of that on it. It

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<v Speaker 2>literally just has like the number and the image. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, newer, newer versions do a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>versions you can get now actually have like the meanings

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<v Speaker 2>written on them, which you know, I have.

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<v Speaker 3>You said that. I'm like, I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 3>should do that. Actually, maybe let you figure that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's you know, it depends on

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<v Speaker 2>how you want to learn. It depends on how you

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<v Speaker 2>learn the best, right. Like. It's interesting because I've been

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<v Speaker 2>reading for so long and it's hard to even think

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<v Speaker 2>back as to like how I learned because it just

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<v Speaker 2>to been such a part of my life for such

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. But there's there's multiple ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you no?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, not everybody does this. Actually I think less

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<v Speaker 1>people do it than I know. Do you attribute the

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<v Speaker 1>cards to the cabalistic Tree of Life?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I'm not overly versed. Okay, that's yeah, something

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I know there are people that do.

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<v Speaker 2>I have had discussions with some people that are that

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<v Speaker 2>very much find those intersections, but that's not really part

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<v Speaker 2>of my practice.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, no, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly, because I know you seem to be more

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<v Speaker 1>of like a witch instead of a ceremonial magician. I

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<v Speaker 3>But I know I understand nice. Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you when it comes to like reading Taro, do

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Yeah. I always say with Taro, you know, Taro

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<v Speaker 2>can show us what's coming. It can give us, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>always going to reflect the current energies and in that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're in a place where you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>Path B. What we can do with Taro then is

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<v Speaker 2>And in that, it's gonna present roadblocks, It's gonna present

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<v Speaker 2>things that may come with ease. It's gonna pull up

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the psychology of it all. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree. Nice, Thank you, thank you? What sorry?

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<v Speaker 1>What other I know you mentioned? You know obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>other deck, the right of Weight deck. What other ones

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<v Speaker 1>do you do you work with? Besides that? That's actually

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<v Speaker 1>just my own wondering.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I use the light Sears taro. I'm like looking

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<v Speaker 2>Pulp Taro, which I love, And then I just got

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite. It's called the Infinite Door by Pamela Love

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<v Speaker 2>and her imagery is so cool. I will say, though,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those decks are based off of the right way.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am a bit of a traditionalist when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to TETO, and not everyone is right I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's my theater background, like I am. I feel, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, I'm I'm a firm believer and

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<v Speaker 2>when I teach, I am I'm a believer in knowing

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<v Speaker 2>get thrown right, like, And that's kind of that theater

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<v Speaker 2>background of preparation, like if you stay ready, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, if you stay ready, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>get ready. What a concept.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And I think your intuition comes in absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a big part of reading harrow, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>But I am a stickler a little bit with that,

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<v Speaker 2>with knowing the meanings. Uh So anyway, Yeah, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>Riderway Smith traditionalist a little bit. I still get it.

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<v Speaker 2>My main deck that I use for client work always

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<v Speaker 2>is the og. It's six it's literally sitting beside me

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<v Speaker 2>at my table now it stays ready.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even with me, I'm not huge into taro,

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<v Speaker 1>like I do use it and I think it's very important,

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<v Speaker 1>especially like the way I use it for the Kabbala.

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<v Speaker 1>I've only had the Magical Doorn deck, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>I've bought another Golden door, magical Golden Doorn deck. I

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<v Speaker 1>bought another Golden Doorn deck that I haven't touched, and

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<v Speaker 1>I even have the Toaf deck that I haven't touched.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've literally just stuck with that one deck the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time I've ever used.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's the thing when you have one that

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<v Speaker 2>really resonates with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a reason, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've never even honestly, I've never even really

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<v Speaker 2>delved in very much to the other the other tarots,

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<v Speaker 2>just because I'm such a traditionalist.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, that's why I get it with me.

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<v Speaker 1>They spoke to me enough that I was just like

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I just brought them because I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to have more than one tyro deck, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, I don't know the other deck. I

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<v Speaker 1>just enjoy looking at It's just easier for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why am I going to try to relearn?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like I have to relearn. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not have to explain.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, well, yeah, totally. I mean I think that that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing about a spiritual practice in general, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>taro or anything like. It is about what finding what

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<v Speaker 2>resonates and works for you. And that's why it's so

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<v Speaker 2>personal and so it's it's your own unique individual path

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<v Speaker 2>and the internet can be so gatekeepy and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and do it this way not that way, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is wrong and don't do it like that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just think like, if it resonates for you, then that's

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<v Speaker 2>what your men to do. That's what's supposed to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever gets you there.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I know what you're saying. I know what you're say. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you did mention. You mentioned it a few times about

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<v Speaker 1>like you mentioned it before about being in a musical theater.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that the performance trains your intuition in

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<v Speaker 1>any way, like reading a room, sensing emotion, understanding simples

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<v Speaker 1>and archetypes. Do you think that helped you along your

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<v Speaker 1>path to do what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes on yeah, and I you know, I still perform.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's actually Lee in Tune is because I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in tune with intuition, but I also am a singer,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's kind of where the name came from. It's

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<v Speaker 2>this like all encompassing umbrella. So yeah, I perform usually

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<v Speaker 2>like two or three times a week. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>standing contract with Hilton Hotels, so I do like private

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<v Speaker 2>dinners for them here in Myrtle Beach. So it's really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to kind of like parallels of what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>It is all about reading the room, all about reading

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<v Speaker 2>the person you're with, reading their energy, being able to pivot,

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<v Speaker 2>being able to be on your feet, and you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, it's all about energy,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all about vibes and preparation again, being prepared

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing your shit. You know, like people are coming

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<v Speaker 2>to you for a service, whether it's performing or reading

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<v Speaker 2>their cards. They're coming to me because they trust that

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<v Speaker 2>I am an expert in what I'm doing. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>they're coming. And so it is my job to show

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<v Speaker 2>up in that capacity and to perform to the best

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<v Speaker 2>of my ability, be it reading, terror or performing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think between the performance and I think it might've

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<v Speaker 1>been something I came across of you. I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dealing with gross and loss and grief. That really

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<v Speaker 1>helped you kind of like really find I guess put

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<v Speaker 1>all your stuff into him really will, like really everything

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<v Speaker 1>came to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I you know, like I said, I've been on

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<v Speaker 2>this path forever. But when I was thirty two, I

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<v Speaker 2>at the time it was very painful, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>the catalyst for my path totally switching. And through that,

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<v Speaker 2>through the healing of that, you know, I'd lost my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've lost a lot of people, especially for how

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<v Speaker 3>Am youself on the back, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For my age, I've lost a lot of people. And I,

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<v Speaker 2>for a very long time, drank it away. I smoked

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<v Speaker 2>it away, did I didn't feel it. I was like

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<v Speaker 2>a party girl through and.

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<v Speaker 3>Through well honesty, I respect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so when the miscarriage happened, I was at

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<v Speaker 2>a crossroads and I was like, Okay, the way I've

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<v Speaker 2>either choose to heal it. I can feel it and

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<v Speaker 2>I can work through it, or I can continue down this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not going to say destructive. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>was overall a relatively stable person, but I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>I was on a hamster wheel. It was like anytime

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of got my feet underneath me, if something happened,

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<v Speaker 2>I would just kind of like throw myself into the

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<v Speaker 2>party of it all. And you know, so I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's time for a change, and so I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to a yoga class. It ended up being

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<v Speaker 2>a chakra alignment. I didn't even know what a chakra was,

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<v Speaker 2>and like it just totally catapulted me onto this path.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that was four years ago now, and in

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<v Speaker 2>that time, I became a reiki master, an energetic sound healer,

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<v Speaker 2>mortar healing space in downtown Myrtle Beach. Yeah That's where

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<v Speaker 2>it was always the path I was meant to be on,

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<v Speaker 2>but it took what I call tower moments, speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>the tower in Tarot. It took a tower moment to

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<v Speaker 2>shake me loose and to shift my path, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very grateful. I'm grateful for that loss. It was painful,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was the catalyst of the shift of my

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<v Speaker 2>entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I kind of had like an experience. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously not like yours, but where I had started like

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<v Speaker 1>really questioning what the fuck am I doing? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>where am I going? I ended up. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not the great pillar of the community as everyone may

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<v Speaker 1>think I was, but I am. But I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>doing two years in federal prison and yeah, selling steroids

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<v Speaker 1>online to believe it or that. Yeah, so that's how

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<v Speaker 1>became federal because I was mailing it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was at that, you know, at one time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a long time ago it's piping, about twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I was a drug addict. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>dope fiend, pibe about five or six years, and eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>was like, all right, you could sit here and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I argue, like, yes, you know, shit with the government,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe certain things shouldn't be illegal and they're overreaching, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I still knew what I was doing. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew the outcome, and I'm just like wondering, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>was I I don't. I just started looking at myself

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<v Speaker 1>and being like, you know, how sick am I really?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just doing it in different ways or.

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<v Speaker 3>Just certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>I found myself sitting in prison and like I was

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<v Speaker 1>blaming like the kid who told on me. I had

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<v Speaker 1>all these like thoughts, you know, fuck them up, gets something,

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<v Speaker 1>all this crazy shit, and I'm like, if I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>doing what I was doing, he couldn't have told on me,

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<v Speaker 1>though I don't know. And then and when I got

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<v Speaker 1>something snapped while I was in prison, and I just

421
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<v Speaker 1>like even my frame of thought once somewhere else, I

422
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>started reading more of like spiritual and like you know,

423
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.359
<v Speaker 1>cult books. So I was in there. There's actually tons

424
00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of cult books in Joie, at least the one I

425
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.599
<v Speaker 1>was in. And yeah, it was just something changed and

426
00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.519
<v Speaker 1>I kind of like was like I got to fix

427
00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:23.880
<v Speaker 1>my fucking head. Like just because I put down dope

428
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:27.079
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean I'm sober minded, you know that's right?

429
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, ye yep.

430
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<v Speaker 1>So you know again, it might have been a little

431
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<v Speaker 1>bit of different of yours. But you know something you

432
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<v Speaker 1>know did definitely kind of turn in my way of thinking.

433
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I gotta change.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, it was it was your tower moment.

435
00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.759
<v Speaker 2>It had to happen. It's you know, that's the tower

436
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.759
<v Speaker 2>in Tarot, It's the sixteenth card, and it's this energy

437
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.680
<v Speaker 2>where sometimes it feels like things come out of left field,

438
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:54.200
<v Speaker 2>out of our control. Sometimes we want to pretend they

439
00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:56.200
<v Speaker 2>were out of our control, but really it's something that

440
00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.880
<v Speaker 2>we brought on ourselves and they it's it's the moment

441
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.640
<v Speaker 2>in life that shake you down to the foundation, and

442
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:04.759
<v Speaker 2>it's a test. It's a test to see how strong

443
00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:08.039
<v Speaker 2>that foundation is, right, Like, what kind of foundation are

444
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.039
<v Speaker 2>you walking on? If it's wonky, Honey, You're gonna feel

445
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:14.200
<v Speaker 2>it when those when those moments come through, right because

446
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:16.839
<v Speaker 2>they're they're gonna happen. They're the inevitable things that happen

447
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:20.839
<v Speaker 2>in life. It's deaths, divorces, job losses, jail time. I mean,

448
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.000
<v Speaker 2>it's that kind of shit that comes in and shakes you.

449
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:25.839
<v Speaker 2>And those are the those are the tests, Those are

450
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.119
<v Speaker 2>the tests of your character. Those are the tests of

451
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>your perseverance and your strength and so I always say

452
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<v Speaker 2>when people come to me in the middle of a

453
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.039
<v Speaker 2>tower moment, somebody going through a divorce or somebody that's

454
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.200
<v Speaker 2>just gone through a loss, you know, I'm like, let's

455
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<v Speaker 2>look for the light. The star follows the tower, which

456
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<v Speaker 2>is all about hope and the light at the end

457
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.319
<v Speaker 2>of the tunnel. So how are we going to fix

458
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<v Speaker 2>the foundation? How are we going to rebuild? Right? Are

459
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:53.960
<v Speaker 2>you going to rebuild another tower? Are we going to

460
00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:56.160
<v Speaker 2>make a cute little cottage a mansion? Like what do

461
00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 2>you want it to look like? We have to switch

462
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:01.519
<v Speaker 2>the thinking. It can be why did this happen to me?

463
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:03.920
<v Speaker 2>It has to be why is this happening for me?

464
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<v Speaker 2>And how can I move differently from here?

465
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<v Speaker 1>Now I can remember, it was like so like almost

466
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<v Speaker 1>like vivid. It's like, I don't know if you've ever

467
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 1>known much about prison, but I was even in the

468
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Shoe special housing unit, and that's like prison for people

469
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 1>in prison, like you had to do something up. My

470
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:23.599
<v Speaker 1>excuse for being my reason for being in there was

471
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:26.400
<v Speaker 1>totally fucking retarded. I sent an email to my brother

472
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<v Speaker 1>mentioning a few people that I was in prison with

473
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<v Speaker 1>that were famous, and they considered that like a breach

474
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.599
<v Speaker 1>of security or some shit and threw me in the shoe.

475
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 1>They were fucking with me because even moving story short,

476
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<v Speaker 1>eventually when I saw the sergeant and they went over this,

477
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:38.200
<v Speaker 1>They're like, why are you in here?

478
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:39.720
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't know, you guys put me in.

479
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:40.759
<v Speaker 3>He's like, this is stupid.

480
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<v Speaker 1>I'll get you out today. But like, you know, the guy,

481
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.799
<v Speaker 1>the guy, the guy George Young from a Blow, the

482
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:49.559
<v Speaker 1>movie Blow. I was in prison with him, so like

483
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I was telling him that. And there was like a

484
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 1>guy from the Yankees that I was in there with,

485
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and some senator from fucking I think Massachusetts, you know.

486
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>So I told him that and like I'm sick. I am,

487
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:00.599
<v Speaker 1>like I actually was really sick. I'm in a shoe.

488
00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm in there with somebody that I'm almost pretty sure

489
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.839
<v Speaker 1>was a pedophile. And I'm like laying like on my

490
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.799
<v Speaker 1>bunk like sick is ship in the shoe And I'm like, Yo,

491
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.440
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck happened?

492
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, how am I here right now?

493
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.799
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm in prison for people, in prison

494
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:21.640
<v Speaker 1>with a fucking creep underneath me.

495
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Like fuck. I was like, yo, I gotta change something

496
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:27.319
<v Speaker 3>that something isn't.

497
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Got right, that's a tower moment.

498
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, thank you,

499
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<v Speaker 1>thank you.

500
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:40.839
<v Speaker 2>Made it through.

501
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I did.

502
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<v Speaker 1>You did mention the chakras and the raikie. I did

503
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.400
<v Speaker 1>want to kind of get into that. I don't know

504
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:51.240
<v Speaker 1>what you one you want to maybe talk about first.

505
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in learning about I guess some both of

506
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.799
<v Speaker 1>them are how you got involved in them.

507
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so our body is full of chakras. I could

508
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>not tell you the full amount, but you know, in yeah,

509
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:13.559
<v Speaker 2>in spirituality, in reiki, I usually deal with the seven

510
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>main which go from the base of the spine to

511
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 2>the top of the head and very quickly. Base of

512
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:24.240
<v Speaker 2>spine is root chakra. That is all of our feelings

513
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:28.319
<v Speaker 2>around safety and stability and money, and that's the first

514
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.839
<v Speaker 2>one formed. So a lot of our childhood trauma lives

515
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>in the root chakra. If we didn't feel safe, if

516
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>we felt abandoned, if you know any of that, if

517
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>our safety was threatened as a child, that lives in

518
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.839
<v Speaker 2>that root chakra. We move up to the sacral that's

519
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:46.920
<v Speaker 2>in our womb space that's all about our creativity and

520
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 2>our passion. We moved to the solar plexus that's right

521
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>above our belly button. That's where our confidence and self

522
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 2>worth live. Then our heart, and our heart is the

523
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.400
<v Speaker 2>bridge shock growth. There's three below, three above, so if

524
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>that heart is blocked, usually everything's a little wonky, right.

525
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And the heart is of course about compassion and grace

526
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:13.759
<v Speaker 2>and love. Throat chakra. Throat is all about expressing your

527
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>wants and needs and desires, but also listening with intent.

528
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Then we move into the brow chakra, which is your

529
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.119
<v Speaker 2>third eye. So that's all about your intuition and discernment,

530
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.599
<v Speaker 2>your inner wisdom, trusting yourself. And then, last but not least,

531
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 2>we have the crown chakra, which is your connection to spirit, God,

532
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>a higher power. So those seven chakras are kind of

533
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 2>the building blocks of you really, and when we have trauma,

534
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>when we have you know, certain things happen to us

535
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>that get stored in our body. And so what I

536
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.279
<v Speaker 2>do as a raking master and this is you know,

537
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.359
<v Speaker 2>this is also like I said, all practices are unique

538
00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 2>for me as a raking master. One of my main

539
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.559
<v Speaker 2>things that I do through my reiki practice with my

540
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>clients is work to clear the blockages that are in

541
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the chakra system so that we have more of an

542
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>energetic flow because when things are flowing, things are going

543
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like we got we're going

544
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 2>to feel in the flow. If we're all blocked up,

545
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>we feel that stagna energy. So yeah, that's very quick rundown.

546
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.319
<v Speaker 3>So you know what's funny. I was going to ask.

547
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:27.839
<v Speaker 1>I was like, maybe I could get it to kind

548
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>of go over the chakras real quick. And I'm like,

549
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like two months to ask her to explain, and

550
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:33.599
<v Speaker 1>you did it on your own. That's also, thank you,

551
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I hope, no, no, no, that was great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

552
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>When you silly question, I mean I'm sure you probably

553
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.079
<v Speaker 1>you may say. Yeah, though, when you focus and do

554
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.759
<v Speaker 1>your own work on your own body, do you actually

555
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:50.759
<v Speaker 1>feel those chakras?

556
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

557
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I do.

558
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've said that before on my own show, but

559
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, Like again, like some of my

560
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>listeners like don't even practice, but they're interested in this stuff.

561
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.160
<v Speaker 3>They're you know, I have a lot of newbies as well, and.

562
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'm like, I probably think I'm crazy because if

563
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm the only person who ever says that on the show,

564
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, but yeah, I'm glad you could feel like

565
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>a spinning bowl sometimes for me, like literally it almost

566
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 1>like the Tasmanian devil's spinning around.

567
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, right, it's the Sanskrit word for a wheel, you know,

568
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>So that's what a chakra is. And when I you know,

569
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.559
<v Speaker 2>for me, when I'm doing reiki and when I'm working

570
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.759
<v Speaker 2>on myself or clients, I always picture them almost as

571
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:35.519
<v Speaker 2>like uh, cogs in a watch like that, kind of

572
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>like a you know what I mean, Like that's what

573
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.680
<v Speaker 2>they look like for me, or sometimes like little tornadoes,

574
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Like it just depends, you know, whatever you want to visualize.

575
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>But I find that like blockages and chakras can really

576
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.599
<v Speaker 2>present in physical ways. Like if you're having a lot

577
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>of headaches, that can mean maybe we're having some blockages

578
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.400
<v Speaker 2>in the crown or the third eye. If we're having

579
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stomach aches, that can be you know,

580
00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 2>let's check in with our self worth where are we

581
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.119
<v Speaker 2>at with that? Like back aches, lower back especially, which

582
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 2>is a big one for me, Like let's look at

583
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>our root chakra, let's look at our feelings around money,

584
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 2>around safety, around stability, like are we feeling like ungrounded?

585
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>So sometimes even if you're not in tune with the

586
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 2>chakra system, if you're in tune enough with your body.

587
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 2>It all kind of goes hand in hand.

588
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know something interesting that you're saying, like even

589
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 1>just thinking about going from like the throat to the stomach.

590
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>And when I start getting into this film like a

591
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 1>science nerdy aspect, I'm not trying to disminish magic at all.

592
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 3>Some people I think take that from and that's not.

593
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.599
<v Speaker 1>But like I've even you know, thinking like if you're

594
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:49.039
<v Speaker 1>saying there's blockages or issues, there's even on my show,

595
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I started covering like herbs that would be used in

596
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 1>magic and witchcraft and stuff. But I looked at it

597
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>as you know, I also covered what they would normally

598
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>be used for in their associations, and then I looked

599
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.759
<v Speaker 1>at it as how they affected our twelve cranial nerves

600
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.039
<v Speaker 1>and our vegas nerve does go from our throat down

601
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>to our stomach. So I'm like, I'm wondering now when

602
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you're saying like blockages, there was certain herbs that would

603
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>actually affect your vegas nerve and help relax, like your

604
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>stomach are certain areas. So I'm like wondering, like now,

605
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.039
<v Speaker 1>like if you have one of those blockages, could you

606
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>like literally like maybe actually use some sort of aromatherapy,

607
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I one of the ones that affects your vegas, nerve

608
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 1>or your stomach and will help.

609
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Fix that blockage.

610
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Man.

611
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it kind of sounds like a nerdy

612
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:33.880
<v Speaker 3>way of you know, looking at it.

613
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.599
<v Speaker 2>But no, no, totally. I mean you're I will find

614
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you too. And a lot of my clients,

615
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>if they're sacral chakra is blocked, their throat is probably

616
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>blocked because they are so connected, right that womb space

617
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and your throat, the you know, the desire that's those

618
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:55.400
<v Speaker 2>are both areas of desire, voicing what you desire, being feeling,

619
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.880
<v Speaker 2>worthy of pleasure, feeling you know, it's all tied together.

620
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.400
<v Speaker 2>And each shop is represented by a color, which means

621
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you know that that it can also be aroma therapy.

622
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Bergamott is orange. That's sacral chakra, right, so it all

623
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 2>ties in.

624
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Nice nice Yeah.

625
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So yeah, that I would say, like you acknowledge

626
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>like the colors and associations that go with that.

627
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have.

628
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if I have, If I have clients that come,

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<v Speaker 2>my I love when I have clients that come like

630
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<v Speaker 2>on a monthly basis and we can really kind of

631
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<v Speaker 2>get into the nitty gritty and really, you know, get

632
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>some deep work done. And when they come with a

633
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 2>bunch of chakras blocked, I'm telling them like, eat these foods,

634
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 2>focus on these aroma therapies, do you know, chant sing go,

635
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>stand in the grass, like giving them kind of tangible

636
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 2>everyday things that they can do to help and to

637
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 2>get them open.

638
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<v Speaker 1>Nice. And how long have you been doing Ricky for

639
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>You might have said it already and I.

640
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>About three years.

641
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

642
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been raking Master for probably two and a half.

643
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>But I actually had that done once, and I do

644
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>swear I believe that worked.

645
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 3>I even went with like very skeptical woo woo shit.

646
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>But like my friend was bringing me there, like I

647
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>was just like wait, like no offense. I'm like, you

648
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 1>don't seem like you're crazy, so maybe you know, maybe this.

649
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, maybe there is something here, you know whatever.

650
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.519
<v Speaker 2>You seem like a well adjusted.

651
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I was like, maybe this isn't nuts.

652
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

653
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, I feel great.

654
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Actually, honestly, people will be like, oh you okay, that's weird.

655
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>What's funny though, how that can actually change someone's perspective

656
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.199
<v Speaker 1>though it might actually make them open because like, oh, well,

657
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, she's not crazy.

658
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I think that I have found for me.

659
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 2>You know. I when I kind of made this switch

660
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.679
<v Speaker 2>from you know, into the world of the woo woo,

661
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess I did not like start over any of

662
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>my social media's. I just kind of like switched over

663
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.400
<v Speaker 2>my content. So it's interesting the way, especially you know,

664
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I live in the Bible Belt, honey, like I. Yeah,

665
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>And so it's been an interesting kind of thing to

666
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.960
<v Speaker 2>become almost like a bridge for a lot of people

667
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:31.039
<v Speaker 2>that I've known growing up or you know, and they

668
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of girls that I went to high

669
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 2>school with that were you know, cheerleaders and super popular.

670
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.719
<v Speaker 2>They'll like come to me now and be like, so

671
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I've always been kind of scared of taro, but if

672
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 2>you do it, it can't be scary, you know. It's

673
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 2>like they it's kind of been like I've been a

674
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of a bridge for people, Yeah, which is it's

675
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 2>an honor. You know, it's want to like make it

676
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>approachable because it's not scary at all. It's like because

677
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.119
<v Speaker 2>there's a devil card, all of a sudden, it's demonic

678
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, no, honey, that devil card is speaking

679
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>about you thinking about the devil. Okay, the devil is

680
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 2>about our humanness.

681
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I've tried to say that before on the show. I'm like, yo,

682
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>man or you know, human can make this planet a

683
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:16.039
<v Speaker 1>living hell if they want to.

684
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Yep, you know, for somebody else. Unfortunately.

685
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, one thing I did want to ask you,

686
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's funny. It was actually a question that

687
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I had that I wanted to make sure I asked.

688
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 1>And you've brought up the tower cards so many times

689
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>on your own. What do you think is one of

690
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the misunderstood things about the tower card? About the tower card, Yeah,

691
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the tower card is Yeah, I might have said tower

692
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 1>because of my accent. Tower card.

693
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I think that the people assume that the

694
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.079
<v Speaker 2>tower card has to be a death, a divorce, a

695
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 2>huge shift, and it can represent that, but it can

696
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.800
<v Speaker 2>also just represent like a crumbling of belief systems, right

697
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 2>like if you are starting to look at something in

698
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 2>a different way. If you know, you are in a

699
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 2>friendship and you thought one person was one way and

700
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 2>they turn out to be another way, the tower car

701
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 2>can pop up. So it's really it's you know, while

702
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 2>it can be representative of those big life events. You know,

703
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.960
<v Speaker 2>if if you pull the tower and it's like a

704
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>regular ass day and you're not going through anything crazy,

705
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 2>you can be like, what is that about? Well? Where

706
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 2>do I need to maybe look at how I'm navigating?

707
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Like how could I perhaps approach something from a different way?

708
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>How could I, you know, rewrite the narrative if I

709
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 2>need to. I think that it can. It can be

710
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>more nuanced than it just be, you know, like it

711
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 2>can mean those huge things, but it can also just

712
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 2>mean maybe there's some narratives that need shifting.

713
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 1>No, I like that. I like that.

714
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's my favorite car one of them, is it?

715
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It is? Yeah, I love it. I think it

716
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 2>wakes you up, you know. I like the ones that

717
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 2>people are scared of.

718
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.119
<v Speaker 3>That's funny, I swear I had.

719
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 1>One of my next questions was going to be what

720
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 1>cards do you think a lot of people fear that

721
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't see that way?

722
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean, of course death And if I have

723
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.000
<v Speaker 2>a nickel, Yeah, if I had a nickel, for every

724
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>time I was like starting or reading, people were like,

725
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>just don't pull death, Like, oh, you know, like but

726
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 2>within tarot death means that could.

727
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 3>Be really good.

728
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 2>Actually, exactly. My catchphrase for death in Tarot is you

729
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>need a new couch, and you can't get a new

730
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 2>couch unless you get rid of the old ratty ass couch.

731
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:49.440
<v Speaker 2>You can't have two couches. Right. So with death, it's

732
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.920
<v Speaker 2>about the things that we have clung to that we've

733
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe felt were defining us. Right, It's it's like let

734
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.559
<v Speaker 2>it go, move on, Like death is coming in to

735
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.760
<v Speaker 2>let you know, like it's the end. It's the end

736
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.079
<v Speaker 2>of the cycle. And that's a beautiful thing because it's

737
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.519
<v Speaker 2>making room. Sometimes we feel so stuck and we want

738
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.000
<v Speaker 2>so desperately for something new to come, but we don't

739
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.280
<v Speaker 2>have room for it. Like you got to clear out

740
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 2>the couch, You gotta clean out the closet so we

741
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.440
<v Speaker 2>can make some room for something new to come in.

742
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 2>So that's death then, like I said, with the Devil,

743
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>people see that they're terrified. The devil is about you.

744
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:33.360
<v Speaker 2>It's about the devil on your shoulder. It's about temptations, vices, addictions.

745
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.119
<v Speaker 2>It's about cycles that we're clinging to or stuck in.

746
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 2>It's about complacency and comfort zones, you know. It's about

747
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 2>like the things that, yeah, the things that you need

748
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to break the chains. My thing with that's is always

749
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the chain by Fleetwood Mac. If you don't love me now,

750
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 2>you don't never love me again, Like break the chain.

751
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.639
<v Speaker 2>It's toxicity of some kind. But it's not you know,

752
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 2>not going to have like a demon popping up in

753
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.840
<v Speaker 2>your bedroom because you pulled the devil card. It's all yeah,

754
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.039
<v Speaker 2>it's all just you.

755
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Know, even on some terrible.

756
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Religious Yes, yes, I agree with I agree, I know,

757
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree.

758
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.239
<v Speaker 3>I totally agree that.

759
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Even with deck card, depending on what deck, some of

760
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 1>the people that are even chained up, you can even

761
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 1>tell that the chains is so loose by their hands.

762
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.000
<v Speaker 3>You could take that all.

763
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>You sure can.

764
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like, yo, it's an illusion that's got you.

765
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's like looking at where have I given control away?

766
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling myself that I'm not in control because that's

767
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 2>easier than facing the fact that I am in control

768
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and can make the change. I'd rather believe that someone

769
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.039
<v Speaker 2>else is in control because that lets me off the hook.

770
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.239
<v Speaker 2>But the devil is like, no, honey, you can change it.

771
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.719
<v Speaker 2>You just have to have the balls to do it yourself.

772
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Even sometimes depending on what dick you're looking at, how

773
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.559
<v Speaker 1>he's like almost like standing on a podium. It's like, God, damnit,

774
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>that's just fucking today, man, Yeah, scary down.

775
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, fuck, man, is that now you didn't see

776
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 3>the future?

777
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that emperor in reverse is popping up a lot now.

778
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:32.159
<v Speaker 3>Nice.

779
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 2>The emperor has no clothes.

780
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Honey, oh boy, oh oh? What card do you think

781
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 1>represents your own life path right now? Like?

782
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 3>What are you going through right now?

783
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 1>That you know?

784
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:51.960
<v Speaker 3>I have to be two persons?

785
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>No, I love that question. That's a good one. I'm

786
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of I'm kind of I'm always in my high

787
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 2>priestess energy right just with what I do for a living,

788
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like always kind of living in that high priestess

789
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:17.599
<v Speaker 2>mystical being, that kind of bridge between spirit and you know, reality,

790
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I guess. But I think on a personal level, I

791
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>am in between like my Empress and hermit face. I'm

792
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:35.119
<v Speaker 2>a mom, so I have a two year old and yeah,

793
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and so that's kind of you know, that eternal mother energy.

794
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:44.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm also a tourist and that always gets yeah. And

795
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 2>then the hermit, you know, I'm a life path nine

796
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and the hermit is about going within in her wisdom

797
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 2>shadow work, and so I'm kind of always on that path.

798
00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm also an only child, so shot herman

799
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>energy speak.

800
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure, it's funny about you. I don't know.

801
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Maybe the tower actually we love it, love it, ye know.

802
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like given to my personal life even with

803
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the podcast and just I've been a lot of fucking

804
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ship has changed and realize that I've

805
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>even believed like illusions for a pretty long fucking time.

806
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that's some moon energy too.

807
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but uh, it's funny.

808
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 1>When you said high Priest this first, I was like, damn,

809
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I would have shot straight for the Empress, just to

810
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 1>be like, you know, she's in there too.

811
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know said.

812
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I was like, nice, Yeah, I can't choose between them.

813
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I like to kind of ride that line.

814
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was like, she's kind of like the top chick,

815
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, I just just to say that

816
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 1>to pray and be like she is.

817
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll take it.

818
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:59.639
<v Speaker 3>No, that's that's a gangster card. It might even I agree.

819
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Nice. Uh, all right, let me see I do you

820
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>have I might have some more on reiki that I

821
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:08.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't really ask.

822
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh, now do you do you do you do sound

823
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:13.239
<v Speaker 3>healing too?

824
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

825
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.920
<v Speaker 3>That is all right, do you mind?

826
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but just'll spend a little bit of time

827
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.119
<v Speaker 1>about me explaining that, because I don't think I've never

828
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>had anybody off for that.

829
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I'm an energetic sound healer, which means I'm

830
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>certified in energetic sound therapy. So while you know you

831
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>see sound baths everywhere where people lay down and they

832
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 2>play the bulls like around them with like a gong,

833
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I work with bowls that sit directly on the body.

834
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:45.400
<v Speaker 2>So you come in for a session the same way

835
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 2>you would for reiki. You know, you lay on the table,

836
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>but I'm placing the bulls physically on the body. And

837
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I always describe it like it's like intensely relaxing. It

838
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 2>sends these vibrations deep into a cellular level. And if

839
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 2>you think about it, you know, we're all water. So

840
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 2>when you put water inside one of these bowls and

841
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:13.559
<v Speaker 2>you hit it, it literally creates sacred geometry within the water.

842
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.679
<v Speaker 2>It's aligning yourselves. It's aligning you on a molecular level.

843
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 2>So when these bowls are placed on the body, I

844
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:25.079
<v Speaker 2>describe it as like a jackhammer on concrete. I find

845
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 2>it to be very healing for men, especially like I mean,

846
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.239
<v Speaker 2>it's healing for everybody, but for some reason, men, I guess,

847
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:39.639
<v Speaker 2>just because it's so tangible, men really respond to it,

848
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>like and so I have a lot of my male

849
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:48.599
<v Speaker 2>clients are really into it. So yeah, I have been

850
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 2>a sound healer for a little over a year. That's

851
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.519
<v Speaker 2>like my newest kind of addition to my spiritual tool belt,

852
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and I love it. It has enhanced my own practice

853
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.440
<v Speaker 2>tenfold because when I am doing a session, I'm also

854
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.800
<v Speaker 2>reaping the benefits, which is amazing, right, and that it's

855
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>that way with everything, but with the sound, it just

856
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.199
<v Speaker 2>feels like I guess because I'm a Taurus and I

857
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 2>love that kind of like tangible earth energy. It just

858
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.760
<v Speaker 2>feels very very tangible. That's like the best way I

859
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.159
<v Speaker 2>can describe it. Like you can feel it, touch it,

860
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>hear it. It's it's kind of this all encompassing practice

861
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 2>where with reiki, you know, it's it's all energy and

862
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>it's gentle and the and the energy flows where it goes.

863
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>And but I yeah, I think it's a really beautiful,

864
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 2>really impactful form of metaphysical therapy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

865
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 2>been it's been pretty cool to watch the kind of

866
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.559
<v Speaker 2>like progression of clients that have come to me for

867
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>for sound healing. Now, I just had a client right

868
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 2>before this who she's on her like eighth or ninth session,

869
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and she when she came in, I mean she was

870
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 2>literally like a ball of tears and every chakra was

871
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:11.559
<v Speaker 2>blocked and like and today every chakra is open, and

872
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:15.239
<v Speaker 2>it's almost it's like watching her move to the other side.

873
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just a really beautiful process that I'm honored to witness.

874
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I know that stuff. Uh, I totally believe

875
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it works. It's interesting that you said, you know, men

876
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.079
<v Speaker 1>seem to respond to it a lot. I have, Like,

877
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, I love the music. I've listened to it before.

878
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 1>But like one time I was at an event in Florida.

879
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>It was some Bigfoot events. Somehow I found myself down

880
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't really fit in at all, and I

881
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>had a table and there was a chick there at

882
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.199
<v Speaker 1>the other side though, that was actually doing those singing

883
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.119
<v Speaker 1>bulls and like yo, I tell you, like anytime she

884
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.159
<v Speaker 1>went and did those things for somebody, it's just like

885
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.199
<v Speaker 1>it just like it grabbed my I was like, oh,

886
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.079
<v Speaker 1>and like I like listened to be like, oh, what's

887
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 1>coming next.

888
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Like I wanted to hear it myself too.

889
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>It's very it was just for some reason, very captivating

890
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 1>to start to hear, and like she had the good

891
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:02.480
<v Speaker 1>real ones, so like that shit, I was just like, wow,

892
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:03.639
<v Speaker 1>that sounds beautiful.

893
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they really are. They're so beautiful. It's yeah, well,

894
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 2>our brain responds to those different frequencies, right, Like you're

895
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 2>you're a science nerd, you know, you.

896
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Know, it's funny you're talking about this, And I was like, yo,

897
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I gotta se if there's any academics stuff on this.

898
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Actually, I was like it's this guy.

899
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

900
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.119
<v Speaker 3>I was like this might be a good topic.

901
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.079
<v Speaker 2>A lot sound healing, Yeah, and I find it's a

902
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 2>really beautiful compliment to reiki, Like the two go together

903
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:41.119
<v Speaker 2>really well. I do a lot. I have an offering

904
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:45.000
<v Speaker 2>called the tune Up actually, and that is kind of

905
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:50.639
<v Speaker 2>half reiky half sound it. Yeah, we got the tune

906
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Up money and that's what it is. It's an energetic

907
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.639
<v Speaker 2>tune up, you know. And and the two together just

908
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 2>really are a nice compliment.

909
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.800
<v Speaker 1>No, it makes sense. Yeah, that's what with the reiki

910
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 1>and this this sound stuff. I honestly figured it probably

911
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 1>went hand in hand with like your services or like

912
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:11.440
<v Speaker 1>just complimented each other, like you said, for sure, Yeah

913
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.199
<v Speaker 1>that is cool. And how long have you been doing

914
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:14.519
<v Speaker 1>that for?

915
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 3>I think you might have said it just a little

916
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:17.199
<v Speaker 3>over a year.

917
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, nice? Nice?

918
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:20.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you having fun with it?

919
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I love it. I since we got this space,

920
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:27.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, the cool part. I was working out of

921
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.679
<v Speaker 2>my home for a little while, about a year and

922
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.320
<v Speaker 2>a half, two years, and then we got this space,

923
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:37.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's just been incredible. The amount of growth and

924
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 2>the consistency of clients has been really amazing, you know,

925
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 2>like you know, when you work out of your home, people,

926
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 2>at least for me, I found it wasn't as consistent.

927
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 2>People didn't come on a monthly basis the way they

928
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.239
<v Speaker 2>do here. And so it's been really cool to have

929
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 2>like these consistent clients now since we've had this space

930
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.760
<v Speaker 2>and really see the progression. And you know, of course

931
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 2>have to do work outside of here too, it has

932
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>to be you know, it's teamwork for sure, but that's

933
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 2>been kind of the coolest part. And I have found

934
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:13.960
<v Speaker 2>that the sound I got my sound certification about a

935
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>month after we opened this space, so they've kind of

936
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 2>grown together. Yeah, so I found that the sound has

937
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 2>been a really beautiful addition.

938
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I, like I said, it makes total sense

939
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to be I mean, why not you know, I did

940
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:35.039
<v Speaker 1>want to ask, like, since you have Taro, you have reiki,

941
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.039
<v Speaker 1>and then this sound, do you think those all three

942
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 1>might separately kind of impact the person in their own

943
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 1>separate ways.

944
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yes, I you know if i'm you know,

945
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I have an offering that's all three. You know, you

946
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.119
<v Speaker 2>can come and get your reading, get reiki, get sound.

947
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 2>It's called the triple threat. And I think Taro, like

948
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you said in the beginning, is so psychological. And I

949
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.480
<v Speaker 2>always start with Taro because for me as a practitioner,

950
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.119
<v Speaker 2>it kind of guides where the Reikian sound will go.

951
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Because with Taro, we're getting down to the nitty gritty.

952
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 2>We're having like the real conversations, right, You're letting me

953
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.360
<v Speaker 2>know what the fuck is up, Like what is going on?

954
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.760
<v Speaker 2>What do we want to change, what do we want

955
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.280
<v Speaker 2>to keep? What? And so from there, you know, we

956
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.320
<v Speaker 2>get clarity, and then we go in in the mind,

957
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and then we go into the body. You know what

958
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, It's it's this kind of mind, body, soul,

959
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 2>all encompassing thing. So yeah, I think I think you

960
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:43.320
<v Speaker 2>get I think you get individual things from each and

961
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 2>then I think the three together can be really transformative

962
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:47.239
<v Speaker 2>and powerful.

963
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 1>No, that's how That's kind of how I looked at

964
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 1>it when I you know, when I realized, like, you know,

965
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 1>this is everything that you were doing and kind of

966
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 1>so each one is like a almost like you said,

967
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:03.039
<v Speaker 1>a different attack. Yeah, yeah, to like really like again,

968
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 1>like the sound is going to be frequency, the cards

969
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.400
<v Speaker 1>are going to be psychological, you know, and then the

970
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>rates it's actually like a multi layered tweaking.

971
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Kind of And I was like, that's impressive.

972
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even like scientifically, I could see a lot of

973
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 1>shit going on in the person.

974
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all going together.

975
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's been It's impressive.

976
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.840
<v Speaker 2>It's been a cool thing to kind of explore and

977
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 2>discover and see, you know, as a practitioner, how it

978
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 2>flows best for me. And you know, that's the cool

979
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.159
<v Speaker 2>part is like I write my own rules when it

980
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 2>comes to it. I get to decide what feels good,

981
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and that is the perk of doing this work. Is

982
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 2>like you can come to me and get a tarot reading,

983
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 2>a reiki healing, a sound healing, and then you could

984
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 2>go to somebody else and get the same three things,

985
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be totally different and it's gonna

986
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get different things out of it, and it

987
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:59.360
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to even be a comparisan, right Like, that

988
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:01.519
<v Speaker 2>is the beauty full part of this work. It's so

989
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 2>personal and the way it's going to impact you is

990
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 2>so personal and different. I have people to come in

991
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 2>for reiki and I say, if if all that happens

992
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 2>today is you took an hour to lay on a

993
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 2>table and turn your phone off, Hell yeah, you know

994
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. If that is, if that is what

995
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 2>you walk away with, great, then I have other people

996
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, if you feel like you just got

997
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 2>off a wooden roller coaster or you feel like you're

998
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 2>floating on the ceiling, like that's a thing too, you know,

999
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and you never know. I don't know how you're going

1000
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 2>to feel or how it's going to affect you, but

1001
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:42.480
<v Speaker 2>there's no downside. If the least that happens is you

1002
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 2>just get an an hour to relax, then hell yeah,

1003
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.760
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Day and age, we all

1004
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 2>needed an hour to unplug.

1005
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.800
<v Speaker 1>So oh, I totally agree. That's a that's an improvement

1006
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.960
<v Speaker 1>right there. For real for most people, especially with like

1007
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.159
<v Speaker 1>social media and stuff people attached of phones. That's a breakthrough.

1008
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:04.480
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot.

1009
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Even just the fact that because of the podcast, I

1010
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 1>have to use social media, like you know, that's how

1011
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I booked you. Oh man, if I didn't have to

1012
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 1>use that, I only ever be on that tell you

1013
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 1>the truth.

1014
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know that's been such a learning curve

1015
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:21.199
<v Speaker 2>for me to I feel like I'm it's a full

1016
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Speaker 2>time job in itself, you know, just trying to market

1017
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 2>yourself and be a grow your following and your platform,

1018
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 2>and like it's it's a other thing like.

1019
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, just just wondering because I you know, thinking

1020
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:43.800
<v Speaker 1>now that you're into like the sound bowls, oh you know,

1021
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 1>like the Crystal Bals, do you think like hymns and

1022
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.920
<v Speaker 1>mantras and maybe like drums and chants that you think

1023
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:52.719
<v Speaker 1>that all looks kind of like a affecting the person

1024
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:54.760
<v Speaker 1>but maybe in a different way, Like do you see

1025
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.559
<v Speaker 1>them all kind of like in the same area kind of.

1026
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. I mean, I I'm a firm

1027
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.679
<v Speaker 2>believer in you know, frequencies and what you put out

1028
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 2>is what comes back, and so you know, chanting drums,

1029
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 2>any sort of sound therapy at all, I think is

1030
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.519
<v Speaker 2>going to have a similar effect. Right, It's all about

1031
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:22.119
<v Speaker 2>raising the frequency, getting your body on that level, getting

1032
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:25.119
<v Speaker 2>your mind everything on that level, and then if we're

1033
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.559
<v Speaker 2>at that higher frequency, then that's what we're attracting. So

1034
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.519
<v Speaker 2>it all kind of goes hand in hand. I think

1035
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big believer in mantras, big believer in affirmations.

1036
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, affirmations for me are a huge part of

1037
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:45.519
<v Speaker 2>my practice. Yeah, repetition, repetition thoughts become.

1038
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Things you do. You use sigils.

1039
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Occasionally, yeah, occasionally, you know, I have I practice lamor

1040
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>magic that like part of my own personal practice and

1041
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.199
<v Speaker 2>so on my glamour magic altar, I have a candle

1042
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 2>of sigils that I drew into it. But yeah, I

1043
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:16.840
<v Speaker 2>don't I don't know. I think my witchcraft journey is interesting.

1044
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I certainly practice, but I'm not I'm maybe not as

1045
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 2>witchy quote unquote as I think.

1046
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:27.320
<v Speaker 3>I know what you again, I think I am.

1047
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I do have an altar space, I do

1048
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 2>have sigils but I that I use. But I also

1049
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not like, you know, constantly practicing witchcraft where I

1050
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.920
<v Speaker 2>like have a cauldron in candles and stuff like, I

1051
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I think it's more for me. It's more

1052
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:46.679
<v Speaker 2>of like an embodied practice.

1053
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that makes sense, it goes along with you.

1054
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess your that you have that, Yeah, yourself, I

1055
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 1>totally I know what you get in there for sure.

1056
00:56:53.920 --> 00:57:00.320
<v Speaker 1>For sure, I'm pretty much the same way. Yeah. One thing,

1057
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.679
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize how long we went on, only because

1058
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:04.719
<v Speaker 1>there was like so many questions I wanted to ask

1059
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:07.559
<v Speaker 1>about all this other stuff. Do you mind if maybe

1060
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:09.400
<v Speaker 1>we spend like maybe ten or fifteen minutes talking about

1061
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:11.199
<v Speaker 1>the ghost go something or something.

1062
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Like that, or if not, okay, talk about ghost day

1063
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:14.000
<v Speaker 2>all right.

1064
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I just I didn't want to hold your hostage like,

1065
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:19.840
<v Speaker 1>oh god, like you know it's almost.

1066
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.039
<v Speaker 2>I have to be done by four thirties.

1067
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no where?

1068
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah no, yep, that's perfect. We'll be done before then.

1069
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So what got you into?

1070
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Obviously we know that you're into the paranormal from young

1071
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.559
<v Speaker 1>but like, what was it that got into like I'm

1072
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:32.519
<v Speaker 1>going to go go something now?

1073
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Well I got to give a shout out to

1074
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>O G. Ghost Hunters sci Fi.

1075
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I watched the favorite.

1076
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Hawes and Grant, Like I watched that series from the

1077
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:45.920
<v Speaker 2>time it came out, it was like two thousand and

1078
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:49.440
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three. Yeah, I was obsessed with Steve,

1079
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.760
<v Speaker 2>like I was gonna marry him like that, like for real,

1080
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.559
<v Speaker 2>I was in in it. So I gotta give credit

1081
00:57:56.559 --> 00:58:01.400
<v Speaker 2>where credits due. Okay, like ghost when was Sci Fi Network,

1082
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:08.280
<v Speaker 2>but I that's where it started. And then from there,

1083
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was all the ghost shows Paranormal State.

1084
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:12.119
<v Speaker 3>I was.

1085
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dude, yeah, like the early early ghost shows. Never

1086
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:26.559
<v Speaker 2>been a ghost of Country's Girl, but yeah. And so

1087
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I became a ghost tour guide in Minneapolis. I lived

1088
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.400
<v Speaker 2>in Minneapolis for about a year and a half and

1089
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I was a ghost tour guide there on Saint Anthony Maine,

1090
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 2>which is the oldest street in Minneapolis, and it's like

1091
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the oldest string of brick buildings in the city. And

1092
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 2>on that ghost tour, we gave everyone that came on

1093
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 2>the tour their own paranormal investigation kit, so they had

1094
00:58:56.119 --> 00:59:00.719
<v Speaker 2>an EMF detector, dowsing rods, a flashlight, and maybe something

1095
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.000
<v Speaker 2>else that might be it. And so on the tour

1096
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.000
<v Speaker 2>there was the guide, the tour historian, and a medium

1097
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and so that was kind of my first time actively

1098
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:18.880
<v Speaker 2>goes tunning while also running the tour, so it was

1099
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of, you know, double duty, kind of learning as

1100
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I went. And it's also my first time working closely

1101
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:27.840
<v Speaker 2>with a medium, which was really cool. And now my

1102
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.920
<v Speaker 2>business partner's a medium, so you know all of that. Yeah,

1103
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:35.519
<v Speaker 2>who's also in my paranormal group. So yeah, that was

1104
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of my first foray and then it just became

1105
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:46.239
<v Speaker 2>a passion. And when I met Brooke, my business partner,

1106
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.280
<v Speaker 2>she also shared the same passion and she's an evidential

1107
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:56.440
<v Speaker 2>medium in psychic and she she catches the coolest evidence, dude,

1108
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Like she has some of the best video I've ever

1109
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:05.239
<v Speaker 2>seen from like random tours she goes on. It's crazy,

1110
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Like I'll have to send you some of it. Like

1111
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen such clear video of spirit than what

1112
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:14.480
<v Speaker 2>she captures. And so yeah, when we kind of got together,

1113
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 2>we were like, we should start a thing, and so

1114
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.360
<v Speaker 2>we did. And so last year we went to Virginia

1115
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:25.599
<v Speaker 2>to investigate. This year we're hosting a paranormal retreat in Savannah,

1116
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 2>so it's a women's only retreat in July.

1117
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 3>We're investigating.

1118
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're investigating the Savannah Theater in the Currell weaed house.

1119
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:39.920
<v Speaker 2>We have private investigations of both of those. So yeah,

1120
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 2>we're pumped. So everybody that comes on the retreat gets

1121
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:47.239
<v Speaker 2>their own paranormal kit to keep. But we also were

1122
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:51.840
<v Speaker 2>teaching not only investigative tactics, and you know, I am

1123
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.719
<v Speaker 2>like science based when I investigate, very much a debunker

1124
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:59.320
<v Speaker 2>from the get go, like I want to Yeah, I

1125
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 2>want to eliminate everything that it could possibly be before

1126
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.360
<v Speaker 2>my brain takes me to its parents.

1127
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:10.679
<v Speaker 1>That's very much ghost Aventures, I mean ghost hunters ghost Hunters, Yes.

1128
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, ghost Aventure is completely opposite direction.

1129
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:15.039
<v Speaker 1>No ghost Hunters, I remember, and I think that's why

1130
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.199
<v Speaker 1>I respected the show is that they were trying to

1131
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:19.280
<v Speaker 1>figure out, like, all right, how is this actually maybe

1132
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:21.840
<v Speaker 1>happening naturally before we start seeing it?

1133
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the cool part is though, with my with

1134
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:31.039
<v Speaker 2>my business partner being a medium, the thing that we

1135
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:33.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of bring to the table that not everybody does

1136
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:36.679
<v Speaker 2>is we follow these investigative tactics that are science based,

1137
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:39.679
<v Speaker 2>but we also have the intuitive side of it. So

1138
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.559
<v Speaker 2>it's this kind of best of both worlds energy. So

1139
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.760
<v Speaker 2>at the retreat, not only will we be investigating with

1140
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:47.920
<v Speaker 2>our equipment and everything, but We're also going to kind

1141
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.440
<v Speaker 2>of teach how to tap in and about psychic protection

1142
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.639
<v Speaker 2>and you know how we can go into these spaces

1143
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:56.800
<v Speaker 2>and make sure that we're not taking anything back with us.

1144
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:01.000
<v Speaker 2>So this is kind of all encompassing thing, which is

1145
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:03.119
<v Speaker 2>really beautiful because I've always I always feel like I

1146
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:06.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of walked that line in the middle of you know,

1147
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:10.840
<v Speaker 2>investigator and intuitive and so we're kinda we're just stay

1148
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:11.360
<v Speaker 2>on the line.

1149
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess nice.

1150
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.519
<v Speaker 3>That is awesome. What kind of equipment do you use?

1151
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, we are a big fan of the Esta method.

1152
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I love the Estus methods box. Yes, this method, Yeah,

1153
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.679
<v Speaker 2>where you use the headphones and the have you seen

1154
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 2>that what is it called that blindfold? Good gosh is

1155
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.480
<v Speaker 2>bord and use the spirit box to communicate. So big

1156
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:44.760
<v Speaker 2>fan of that. We have run pods, yeah, all of it.

1157
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:51.280
<v Speaker 2>You know. I also always pull taro always uh uh

1158
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.400
<v Speaker 2>investigations to start. So I use tarot as a tool

1159
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:58.159
<v Speaker 2>for investigation as we're moving through the night, like if

1160
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:00.440
<v Speaker 2>we feel stuck on what direction to go, were kind

1161
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.719
<v Speaker 2>of like what to ask. So tarot, you know, is

1162
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 2>a big tool for me on investigations.

1163
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Also, that is.

1164
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Cool bringing taro, Yeah, have you ever seen.

1165
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Those other things where they put like the headphones on

1166
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and then they'll put like those kind of almost like

1167
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:21.199
<v Speaker 1>ping pong bowl things around their face and the flashes

1168
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:21.960
<v Speaker 1>like the red light.

1169
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes I have. I have not done that. But the

1170
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:28.559
<v Speaker 2>do you know who Greg and Dana Newkirk are.

1171
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:33.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm a huge fan. I'm trying to get them all.

1172
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen yeah? Oh my god, Oh have you

1173
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:37.880
<v Speaker 2>seen Hellier?

1174
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1175
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I love Heller out who they were.

1176
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they they do that, that's one of their experiments.

1177
01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 2>I have not done that. I would love to, but

1178
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I I'm not sure if that's something for sailor if

1179
01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:58.320
<v Speaker 2>they made that. I've seen it.

1180
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.519
<v Speaker 1>I think some people kind of figure out to make it,

1181
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:02.760
<v Speaker 1>because I haven't yet. I haven't come across like, oh,

1182
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, buy this. You know. The reason I even

1183
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:08.880
<v Speaker 1>brought that up is in and you know, I was

1184
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.440
<v Speaker 1>covering this as I was looking into this stuff. I

1185
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.760
<v Speaker 1>don't think I was like realizing fully until I started

1186
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.079
<v Speaker 1>putting it together, and then I was like, I was like,

1187
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I hope people don't like think I'm saying this to

1188
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:22.519
<v Speaker 1>discredit it. But the weird thing is about that setup.

1189
01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I did an episode recently hasn't dropped yet that was

1190
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:30.440
<v Speaker 1>on like the effects of flickering lights, candles, or even

1191
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.519
<v Speaker 1>staring at flames of certain lights on your brain and

1192
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:36.440
<v Speaker 1>what it will start to do. And when it comes

1193
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.920
<v Speaker 1>to a flickering candle, believe it or not. And even

1194
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.199
<v Speaker 1>if you were to take a strobe light and I

1195
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.599
<v Speaker 1>can get it to ten hurts, which is ten flashes

1196
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:47.400
<v Speaker 1>a second. Everybody doesn't matter man, woman, what country, and

1197
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:50.199
<v Speaker 1>wherever you are. If you do that to somebody and

1198
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.960
<v Speaker 1>their eyes are closed, they will all start to exhibit

1199
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:58.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing the same specific images, which is really weird, like spirals,

1200
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.960
<v Speaker 1>checkered floors, certain geometric shapes, so they're assuming that that's

1201
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:05.840
<v Speaker 1>something inside, Like you've got to be tapping into something

1202
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:10.079
<v Speaker 1>inside everybody's head with that. So then like that mask

1203
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:12.920
<v Speaker 1>was also included in some of the research studies I

1204
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:17.199
<v Speaker 1>was showing, and that will make you hallucinate ship regardless.

1205
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:19.800
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you know, do those people who

1206
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:23.199
<v Speaker 1>use it when they're doing that stuff paranormal wise, No,

1207
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna happen regardless. Like I just realized, like, fuck,

1208
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I hope people take it that way.

1209
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't never tried it.

1210
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:37.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was like.

1211
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, like E m DR therapy uses

1212
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the splashing lines to like retrain the brain, So.

1213
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Damn it, I should I should have threw that in there.

1214
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:51.360
<v Speaker 2>You can do you want to come back?

1215
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, edit, I could edit the audio. I'm not doing

1216
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 1>the video. Yeah, I'll throw it into the audio at

1217
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the end given the credit. That's cool though, that's yeah,

1218
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:07.360
<v Speaker 1>that's what. And how many you've done a few investigations.

1219
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, we we did the Bellamy Mansion in Wilmington,

1220
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:18.159
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, the Blue Ball in which was what it

1221
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:23.119
<v Speaker 2>was called in Virginia, which was a really interesting place.

1222
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:29.000
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, we I've done a lot of investigations outside

1223
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.559
<v Speaker 2>of Three Veils. We just started about a year ago.

1224
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:37.079
<v Speaker 2>And our our third member is a teacher, so she

1225
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:41.599
<v Speaker 2>does our tech and she's amazing, but it does make

1226
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:45.239
<v Speaker 2>our availability a little difficult. It has to be, you know,

1227
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and with the toddler and everything. So yeah, we're on

1228
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:53.159
<v Speaker 2>the docket. We have the two in Savannah and then

1229
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:57.760
<v Speaker 2>we hope to places. Yeah, there's a few other places

1230
01:06:57.800 --> 01:06:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that we're trying to go. I really want to go

1231
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:06.159
<v Speaker 2>to Nashville and investigation. Yeah, Patsy I'm a huge Patsy

1232
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:10.960
<v Speaker 2>client fan, and her one of her homes is open

1233
01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:14.199
<v Speaker 2>for investigation. So that's like big on my bucket list.

1234
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have such a long paranormal bucket list.

1235
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.400
<v Speaker 1>That was very interesting spot. I was there, not too long, well,

1236
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it was probably over. No, actually it was a while ago.

1237
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Play over two and a half years ago. Damn. I

1238
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.199
<v Speaker 1>can't believe I still have this footage and haven't done

1239
01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:31.199
<v Speaker 1>anything with it. I went out there and I just,

1240
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, for some reason, I was like, let

1241
01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:35.920
<v Speaker 1>me bring my video equipment. I was going, I think

1242
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.239
<v Speaker 1>then I was. I was married at that time. I'm

1243
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:40.719
<v Speaker 1>divorced now, but my wife at the time had to

1244
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:42.880
<v Speaker 1>go to Nashville for like something to do with work,

1245
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:44.639
<v Speaker 1>and I was able to go kind of with her

1246
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.039
<v Speaker 1>basically and hang around. It was like, oh, I'll bring

1247
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:49.199
<v Speaker 1>some of my recording equipment and maybe go check out someone.

1248
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Like.

1249
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I knew there was a freemason a cold down in Nashville,

1250
01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:53.760
<v Speaker 1>so I was like, maybe I'll go check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just started noticing like the most ridiculous occult

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<v Speaker 1>architectural all over that city, and I was like, what

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<v Speaker 1>the And I got tons of it, and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to go back. But yeah, that's a very interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting area. All the government buildings that may sonic

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<v Speaker 1>hole and the is it a library museum, they all

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<v Speaker 1>share the same fucking stuff on their buildings. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody like that's sketchy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're like, I'm onto you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, h yeah, No, I just thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was very interesting. But no, I could see that being

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<v Speaker 1>like probably a great spot to go for paranormal stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, full circle. But Franklin, where I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up, is only twenty miles south, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of the places there are kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like bucket less paranormal for me, just because it's such

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<v Speaker 2>a like personal connection. So we'll see that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in the we'd like to maybe do that in the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. I hope you make it though. It's really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, uh, I think can wrap it up here. I

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<v Speaker 1>got enough questions in the paranormal. We can always have

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<v Speaker 1>you come back. Maybe after you do this investigation, it

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<v Speaker 1>could have you come back on can talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would love that. Maybe my business can come too. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you could pick her brain honey, because.

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<v Speaker 1>She is no, for sure, she is more than Maria.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool cool, awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, we love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a great time Riley, really interesting, uh, really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff that you're into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for coming on. It was cool to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you so much. It was It was a

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<v Speaker 2>great conversation. I really appreciate having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, definitely. Please let everybody know where they can

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<v Speaker 1>find all your stuff and your sites and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So if you wanted to book a reading with me,

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<v Speaker 2>I have virtual and in person you go to www

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<v Speaker 2>dot lee in tune dot com, l E I G

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<v Speaker 2>h I N t U n e dot com. You

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<v Speaker 2>can find me on Instagram at Lee in Tune or

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok at lee in Tune.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Again, thank you very much for coming on. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>forward to having a conversation with you again in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh that's the end of another Recult Rejects and

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<v Speaker 1>until the next one, everybody be well later.