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Speaker 1: You're listening to a classic edition of the Unknown Origins

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Radio show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Hi,

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this is Jeff Blandren.

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Speaker 2: When I'm not out legend tripping or looking for ghosts,

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I'm listening to Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 3: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts

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and spirits wander through our physical dimension. Undiscovered creatures lurk

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in the shadows, and strange lights and crafts seem to

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dominate our skies. Modern science refuses to acknowledge their existence.

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Yet credible eyewitnesses are convinced these things are real, and

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it's up to independent researchers to search for the truth.

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Welcome to Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Unknown

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Origins Radio where once again, yes, we talk about everything

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having to do with this strange and paranormal and tonight

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as usual, I'm joined by our co hosts. Well, first

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of all, I'm Mark Johnson. I guess that would help

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if I And now that's who the hell I am?

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You know, people tuning in, who's that guy? I'm your host,

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Mark Johnson. Joining us are our co host Carrie Ane

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Versace Hey, Carrie Anne Hey, Mark and Lauren de Pinto.

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How you doing, Lauren.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Mark.

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Speaker 1: So how are the two kitties doing, Lauren? You picked

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up a couple of new cats.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I adopted to kitties this week, an adult cat

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and a kitten. And they're wonderful. What a wonderful addition

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to our family.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I'm having such a good time.

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Speaker 1: My wife's jealous. Now she's talking, Oh, we need to

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go get another one.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to be causing a lot of problems,

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aren't I on Facebook?

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Speaker 1: Sorry in advance, too many cute pictures on Facebook. I'm sorry.

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They must they must be deleted. Anyway, We've got a

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wonderful show for everybody. Tonight. We got a fantastic guest.

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I'm really excited to announce him. But before we do,

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once again, and we're going to be spending the next

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few shows leading up to March to talk about of course,

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you guessed it, Phenomenology one oh four. And what's it

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called this year? They're calling it Parapalooza.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for Losa.

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Speaker 1: So tickets are now on sale. They've announced their full

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guest list. They've got everybody and everybody in the paranormal

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that's been invited to this event, So be sure to

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go to Phenomenevents dot com you can buy your tickets.

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It's March twenty second through the twenty fifth. We are

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going to be there. Unknown Origins Radio will be there

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this year. Of course it's my first year. But you

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two have you know you had your debauched fund last year.

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Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 4: It's fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did want to say they added Chris Williams

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from Ghost Hunters into National recently, so that's a big

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bonus for them this year.

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Speaker 1: Lots of great guests, a lot of friends of our

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show here, Patrick and Burns and Marley Gibson are gonna

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be on. John Zapfis is going to be on. Oh

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my god, who well, Chip Coffee is going to be there.

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Who else helped me here? Ben Hansen from sci Fi's

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Factor Faked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're Jeff Salinger yep.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to have a wonderful time. So be

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sure to get your tickets, come on down see us

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all in person. We're going to have a blast. I

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guarantee you got and scared, Oh yeah and scared. Yeah,

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you kind of forgot about them, don't you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget about my scared Well, anyway, getting into

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tonight's show, we have a great guest. We're really excited

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that he was able to come on, and I'm gonna

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get right into producing. Mister Cliff Barrickman from the Animal

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Planet hit show Finding Bigfoot. How are you doing tonight, Cliff,

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I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much for coming on. We're really

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Speaker 1: If there's one thing I want to complain about that

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Speaker 4: That's the curse of bigfoot, you know, whenever there's a

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something like that, and I've always kind of retained that quirky,

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the thing that I could pull off the shelf, and

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it might be real biological creatures. So I started doing

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field work and since then I've just become utterly engrossed

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a lot of this in college too. Do you have

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jazz guitar of all things. From there, I moved on

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jazz guitarists so it sounds like just about five of

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other stuff. So again, all modesty aside, if I may

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weren't good at most things. And you know, that's kind

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of the job description of an elementary school teacher where

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we're teaching multiple subjects. So that's what I've been doing

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professionally until the Animal climate gig came up.

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subject of teaching. You taught fourth grade.

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Speaker 4: I've fought fourth, fifth, and sixth grader.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Now, what did your students think about

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your interests in bigfoot? I mean, did you share that

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to hide it for one year. I wasn't very successful, though,

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mostly because my principal was a little wary about it,

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maybe eccentric, but I'm not a weirdo. So things kind

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much loves Bigfoot or has some interest, whether they believe

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the creatures are real or not. And it also has

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sort of like mock arrogance wherever. You know, like you've

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how he treats himself like a god. That's very much

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the same way that I've always treated myself in my

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own classroom. And you know, the students, like for a

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couple of days, they go along with it, and they

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they know it's going to be under that character that

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anything I say. That's the whole thing. So I am.

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three or four hundred students I've had, or however many

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them will remember me, and I'd probably be their favorites

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amongst at least half of them. So they love the Bigfoot,

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saying they just love You're a cool teacher.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It might might have been in school,

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Let's just say that I'll go no, further. But that's great.

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like you, really, because I have two small children, and

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they're dry or they're so old that they really need

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to retire. You know.

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Speaker 4: I've always thought that if I'm not having a good

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic, now, Cliff, how you mentioned your big You've

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been teaching since you got the show gig? How did

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Speaker 4: The gig, the Animal Plunge show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we're finding Bigfoot.

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Speaker 4: Uh. Basically, our production company, Ping Pong Productions, which is

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bigfooters basically, and I've been running a you know, a

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pretty popular blog, I guess, and I have a website

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and whatever else that's kind of a you know, a

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cash for uh storing data and that sort of thing.

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So they found me, basically, they found me and called

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me like a year ago November, a couple of years

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ago November, and they kind of courted me and asked

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me if I'd be interested, And you know, I was

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tentative because I was teaching and a lot of stuff,

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and so I sent them some clips. You know, in

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the meantime, I'd done some monster quests. I did Monster

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so there is some stuff with me on television. They

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took that stuff and they floated it by focus groups

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and whatever, and they called me back, you know, many

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many months later and asked me if I'd be interested

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in doing it. So, and of course, when an opportunity

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like that comes along, it's pretty hard to say no, yea,

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because life is short and the good news is we're

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all gonna die. So and there's a good there's great news.

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That means you can make mistakes and it won't be

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long until those mistakes don't matter anymore.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. That's very cool.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. Take a chance.

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Speaker 4: Life is crazy, and mine seems to be particularly crazy,

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but life is crazy. So grab the bull pluff arms,

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go for the ride. See what happens, because existence is

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beautiful and so far some of my base mistakes given

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me the biggest blessings. And I mean, I'm not wise

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enough to know what's good for me, but so I'm

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just kind of went along for the ride.

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Speaker 1: See. Now, we have several friends of our of the

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shows that you know, have been on several different television

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programs over the last couple of years, and you know,

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we hear everything from you know, you know, good experiences

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to not quite so good experiences, and you know, it's

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a tough industry to be in, especially when you're worried

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about Okay, you you shout all these shows, now are

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people going to watch them? What are the ratings going

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to be?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: All right? Do you find that when you guys are

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doing the show that you have a lot of that

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pressure in the background, either from the production company or

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the or the network to you know either you know,

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not to beat things up, but you know, to affect

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how you're doing your investigations.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and now I will when we're out on the

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road in my headstro FID construment and I think it's

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fair to say. No matter what I say on tonight's show,

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I can only speak for myself, so I can't speak

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for Bobo, matter in a or anybody else. By and large.

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When we're out on the road doing the last thing

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on my mind is ratings. Because I keep my integrity

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about me as a big flitter and just a person.

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You know, I'm not going to go And first of all,

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I'm not going to lie about anything on the air.

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If I say something on the air, that's because I'm

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believing it. I could be wrong, and I'm totally open

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to being wrong, and I think most people should open

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that possibility a little bit wider. It seems there seems

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a very I don't know, any stigma in the bigfoot community.

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I can't be wrong, so I'm going to defend my

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position no matter what. Well, you know, I'm very open

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to being wrong and exploring possibilities. So if I say

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it on the show, I believe it. I'm not going

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to lie about that. Now. There is a balancing act

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that that was very difficult, particularly the first season, between

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Bigfooting as I know it and making television, you know,

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and you know, like when we're out I remember the

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first season, a couple of times we were out on

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the road and we did howls and coyotes called back.

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And like the producers, you know, who are generally la

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sort of people, they go, what was that? You know,

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I'm we're excited? It was the coyotes, man, and yeah

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it is. Okay, well, well can't you get excited about that?

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And we tried to explain, like, okay, we've been doing

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this for twenty years. Man, if we got super excited

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every time we heard.

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Speaker 5: Coyotes, there goes your conditions that and there goes your uh,

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your credibility too, because people are going to know their coyotes.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, but you know what. They explained things to

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me and and like, okay, Cliff, you know what, the

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most of the audience, they don't know it's coyotes. We're

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not going to see it's a bigfoot, but we want

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to see your enthusiasm. You know. One of the producers

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in particular was very careful, and what she explained to

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me is that, Okay, Cliff, you've been in the classroom forever.

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You know the vinegar and basing soda, you know volcanoes,

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thing know where you mix them together. And food coloring

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in it. And while you have a volcano, if you're

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doing that for sixth graders or fifth graders, you don't,

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you don't like do it and then let it go flat.

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You get it tided about it every year you do

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it because your students dependent on correct you know what

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I mean, Like, don't like basically told they basically reminded me,

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don't lose the magic because what we're doing out there

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in the woods is fun and it is kind of incredible,

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and it's a it's a great thing, and not everybody

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gets to do this. I'm taking and basically the way

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I look at it, and I know this is a

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real long winded, roundabout way to answer your question. My

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classroom went from thirty students to one point six million.

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And I'm trying to take every single person out there

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in TV land out in the woods with me, big thing,

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and I view that as a heavy responsibility, and I'm

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going to get enthoosed about it. Like I don't know,

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if you saw the Rhode Island episode, it was a

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bart out above me and I loved it. And all

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I need to do is remind myself that I don't

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have to fake anything, but I can tap into that

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that what's the word, like innocent, wide eyed view of

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the woods at night and try to bring that to

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the people at home. I think that's a beautiful thing.

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That's really cool, and it's a really neat responsibility and

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I don't know, it's just so does that answer the question?

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I'm kind of just rambling there.

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Speaker 1: We're loving this. This is actually fascinating. It's really casing because, like.

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Speaker 5: You were saying, you know, you've been doing it for

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so long and it's really hard not to get jaded.

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So now I understand what you're saying that you know,

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it's an honest enthusiasm and if you're not showing enthusiasm,

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you're not going to bring in the audience and they're

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not going to feel the enthusiasm. So I totally understand

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what you're.

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Speaker 4: Saying, right right, you know what, I kind of when

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I'm out there, I kind of do it as I'm

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taking the producers bigfooting and they don't know any better.

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So let's get them excited, let's get them loving this.

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And that's my job in a way, you know, because

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I'm a bigfooter. But that's not my job. My job

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is to make a TV show, and even though those

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things are sometimes hard to mix, there's a really cool

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gray area middle ground that both can be, both can

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need at and I think that's where the magic happens.

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And when there's a really really cool moment on finding Bigfoot,

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that's when we've reached that place.

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Speaker 2: No fantastic, You're like the Anthony Robbins of the Bigfoot world.

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I love it. You're so positive and energetic and enthusiastic.

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I love it.

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Speaker 4: Well. Like I said earlier, we're all gonna die. How

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do I work my life good for you?

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Speaker 1: And see when you die you come to us because

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we're actually you may not know this, we're actually a

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paranormal investigator. So we do ghost hunting as our end

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of it. And so we've had many of our own

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experiences so we can relate, and we've been you know,

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we've actually been on a couple of our own shows

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that didn't quite have the best of experiences, but you know,

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it's that's the nature of the beasts sometimes. Now, I

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did have a question for you about the Bigfoot Field

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Research Organization. Did you ever work with the BFRORO before

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finding Bigfoot or you know, I know that they pushed

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that a lot for the show, with Matt Moneymaker being

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the founder of the BFRORO. I don't know, had you

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met Matt or Bobo or Renee worked with any of

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them before the show.

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Speaker 4: I've been friends with Bobo since about I don't know,

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two thousand and four fives, I think somewhere in there.

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And I think I met Matt sometime in the same

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time span. I was a member of the BFRO for

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a long time. I don't think I'm currently a member,

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but I mean it doesn't really matter to becase I'm

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an independent Bigfoot investigator and more than happy and willing

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to work with anybody. I'm really not much of a

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joiner or anything like that. I mean, even political parties,

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I don't care. It's kind of like the Groucho Marks thing.

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You know. Anybody who would have any club that would

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have me as a member, I wouldn't want to join.

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So I kind of take that route with everything. But yeah,

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I've known Matt and Bobel for quite some time. I've

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spent a lot of I've done a lot of great

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places and spent a lot of time in the woods

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with Matt before, and I mean, heck, Bobel and I

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are We were pretty much we pretty much are still

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best friends. I mean, we love each other that He's

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a great, great guy and I. One year, I took

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a voluntary leave of absence for my work. It's actually

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as in between moving various places, so I was kind

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of homeless for a year on purpose. And I've spent

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most of that year in the woods between the southern

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Sierras of California and British Columbia. And I think that

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year Bobo and I logged almost two hundred nights in

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the woods together that year.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So he and I are very close and we're very

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very good friends. That happened for some time.

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Speaker 1: You could see that chemistry on screen too. I mean, Bobo,

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he seems like such a great guy, and when you

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two are interacting on the show, you could see that

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friendship definitely coming on into people's living rooms.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but it was a huge joy the show

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for me and Renee. I've never met Renee before the show,

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but she's been around in some circles. I just never

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ran across her.

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Speaker 1: Now, when working on the show, you guys spend a

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lot of hours together, and you know, how's been that

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working relationship working with the cast for these two seasons.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's been it's been good and bad. It's

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been it's been a little difficult at times. But part

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of that is not only my nature, which is of

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course being an introvert. I'm very introverted. I spend a

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lot of time alone. A lot of my big footing trips,

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Like I take a week or two off during the

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summer when as a as a teacher to go bigfooting

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alone and just travel around. I love being alone. I

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love the quiet of the woods. And you know, traveling

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around as an entourage of six seeing cast crew and

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producers can get a little taxing on me. And then

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of course when you get the cast members together, we're

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honestly a bunch of stubborn, pig headed people because you

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kind of you kind of have to be if you're

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going to devote your life to chasing something that everybody

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else tells you doesn't exist. So we have a bunch

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of strong opinions and you know, and whatever else. And

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there's some you know, there's some clashing, but the same

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kind of clashing you would expect like in a in

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a family gathering, a Thanksgiving or something like that, anybody

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wears thin on you after a while, and when you're

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particularly stubborn and pig headed, like we all are, it

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can happen every even even more so. And sometimes that

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I imagine comes through the screen as.

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Speaker 1: Well well, where your personalities really do come out in

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the show, and that's one of the things that makes

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the show enjoyable. It's not just cut and dry, okay,

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people walking in the woods looking for bigfoot. Your personalities

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are definitely forefront in the show, and that's what draws

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the audiences in. They you know, is in first rule

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of filmmaking. You know, if you don't care about your characters,

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and your film's going to fail. And watching you guys

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interact now, the one thing that I really got a

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kick out of is, you know, watch the first season.

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Loved it, and then when you started doing the repeating

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the season and entitling it the further evidence where you

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all came in. It was like watching VH one pop

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up video with your comments coming up on screen talking

472
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,880
about the episode while we're watching it. That was an

473
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,559
absolute hoot. I had such a blast watching you guys's comments.

474
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was great because that gave an

475
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,440
opportunity for some character development, because you're absolutely correct and

476
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,599
that the show really isn't about bigfoots. It's about these

477
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,440
four weirdos that go look for bigfoots, and that's that's

478
00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:53,519
really the clincher there. In fact, if the Animal Planet

479
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,920
Offices they have a poster of finding big Foot, it

480
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,440
is and it's not about big Foot. It's about the

481
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:03,960
people who look for them, you know, and they're actually life. Yes, yeah,

482
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,319
I think that's a very very well said actually how

483
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:06,880
to fit it there?

484
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: Now? Now having said that, with working on this show,

485
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,400
in all the years that you've been finding big looking

486
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,880
for Bigfoot, have you ever found Bigfoot or you have

487
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,960
you ever found I know we've seen you find some

488
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,880
evidence on the show, but have you ever actually seen

489
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,359
the creature?

490
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: That's a great question. My answer is not a great answer.

491
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,519
It's maybe if I have seen a Bigfoot. It was

492
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:36,960
actually on the North Carolina episode of Finding big Foot

493
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,640
Season one where we investigated Mike's Mike greens footage. One

494
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,119
of those nights. It was actually the very very first

495
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,680
night expedition we ever attempted with the production company. If

496
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,279
I don't know if you recall or not, that there

497
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,240
are these witnesses at king Forward and said that they

498
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,759
went to a spot and they had bigfoots around them

499
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:56,359
in camp and they were throwing rocks at their tenth

500
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,559
all night. Yes, we actually went to that spot, which

501
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:01,680
was not easy to get to. It was a four

502
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,920
and a half hour walk if you took the trail,

503
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,240
or about forty five minutes or an hour if you

504
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,319
went off trail, so about you know, a mile and

505
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,359
a half two miles in off trail, which is the

506
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,000
route we took with you know, an entourage of the

507
00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,039
two camera guys, a sound person and a couple of

508
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:21,279
producers and a horde of witnesses and whatever else. So

509
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:24,039
we went out there that night and it was two

510
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,519
in the morning or so if I remember correctly, and

511
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:31,720
then we were in between the scenes. They started my

512
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,640
DVR backpack nonsense with that silly camera that looks me

513
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,519
in the face. And I hear Matt going, who's on

514
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:42,039
the hill right? And we ignore them because it's Matt

515
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,400
saying that's right, who's on the hill right? And I

516
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,160
don't know, you know, no one's on the hill. Cliver

517
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,960
you up, No, I'm not on midill, Matt Boglo, No,

518
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,880
and who's on the hill. And they go, dude, no

519
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,960
one's on the hill, and relaxed, and because someone's on

520
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,359
the hill, and that's when people started looking at the

521
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,240
thermal imagery of man was holding and there was a

522
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,640
bite people's face. You're standing about seventy five yards from us,

523
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,160
up on the hill, alone in the dark, watching us,

524
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,119
And he goes, who are you like that? Then the

525
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,240
thing starts walking and Matt yells at it again quite loudly.

526
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,079
The thing stops in mid stride, stands on one leg

527
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,119
for two or three seconds in mid stride with the

528
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,559
arms out and the whole thing, and Matt goes, he

529
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,720
understands me, or whatever you hear me, or whatever you

530
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:27,039
said at that point. And then I figured what back

531
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,480
is Matt yelling about? Right? So I turned my thermal

532
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,240
imaguer over there, and I see the bipedal's figure walking

533
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,319
from left to right in my viewfinder. It did not

534
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:39,279
walk like Patty from the Patterson Genlin film, but it

535
00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:41,759
didn't walk like a human being either. It walked into

536
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:46,799
sort of like undulating. Its legs looked like it was

537
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,720
riding a bicycle, but its arms looked like it was

538
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:52,079
reaching out in front of it and pulling itself forward,

539
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,720
almost like you would if you were in the shallow

540
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:55,599
end of a pool and they're using your arms to

541
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,279
repel yourself. That was the gate that I witnessed, and

542
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,359
I looked that thing. My jaw dropped and I said,

543
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,400
holy crap, that is a bigfoot or a human being.

544
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,400
And then Matt took off after it because he was

545
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,559
positive that it was a human being. He thought it

546
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,119
was some guy spying on it or something. I don't

547
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,640
know what he was talking about, but he was positive

548
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,559
as a human being for some reason, even though when Ay,

549
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
Bobo and I all say that it was one color

550
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,000
from head to toe in the thermal imagery. Whatever it was,

551
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,000
Matt chased after it with a thermal imager and night

552
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,079
vision and a night vision monocular and never saw the

553
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,559
thing again. I paralleled the bottom of the ridge line,

554
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:38,000
thinking that maybe it would go over the hill and

555
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,359
I'd get another chance to see it. I never saw

556
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,599
it again. Whatever it was was almost two miles off

557
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,759
Trail two in the morning, navigated navigating a thickly wooded

558
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,680
hillside without a light in the middle of you are

559
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,519
a national forest in North Carolina. So was that a bigfoot.

560
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,720
I don't know. The circumstances kind of point to a

561
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,799
big in my opinion, but money Maker up said the

562
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,000
exact opposite, So I don't know, was it. I have

563
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,200
no idea if that was a big fit or not.

564
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: Actual Leaning towards Renee saying the exact opposite, could she

565
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,400
convince it's all a human being?

566
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: No?

567
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

568
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: Did you find any footprints or anything? Did you go

569
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,559
to the site where it was standing?

570
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,559
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I went up there. I went up there

571
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:21,680
and looked around. I did not find anything. It was

572
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,720
generally forest witter, you know which. The foot prints very

573
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,480
well at all. The footprints are amongst the rarest kinds

574
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,519
of evidence. In my opinion, it is far easier to

575
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:33,440
actually see a big foot than find footprints. Really gosh,

576
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,039
oh yeah, yeah. I think there's ten thousands of sighting

577
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:39,519
reports on record, and there's there's less than three hundred

578
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,079
footprint casts in exist.

579
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:43,279
Speaker 1: But then there was also the episode in the first

580
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,960
season where you came across a couple of very pristine

581
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:47,960
looking prints.

582
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, those were quite interesting, quite interesting. They were at

583
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,599
that time the best footprints I had seen in the ground,

584
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:58,200
and of course I cast them, which is what everybody

585
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:03,599
should do. A little perplexed as to what left those prints.

586
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:06,319
There were some things about it that really do point

587
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,960
the Big Foot For me. However, looking very closely at

588
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,359
the anatomy that's visible in the prince, I'm kind of

589
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,640
wondering if it couldn't be a bear or not. Doctor

590
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Jeff Meltman, and we've worked together sometimes and I get

591
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,440
some footprints as in it his way, because I deeply

592
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:22,119
value this opinion. He's of the opinion that those are

593
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,240
of a bear, and he very well might be right.

594
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,079
But the point of the whole thing, at the point

595
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,240
of any footprint is to cast it and find out

596
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,279
what you have. The fact that these things that those

597
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:38,400
two footprints that I have, the heel is not rounded,

598
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:42,920
which points to bear, and there's also a visible there's

599
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,039
a visible joint in the middle of the back of

600
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,079
that foot that also points to bear. But at the

601
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,599
same time, there were no other bear prints in that area,

602
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:52,880
and there were no toe prints in the middle of

603
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,160
it like there should have been for a double stepping bear.

604
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:58,640
So they are ambiguous. But if I had to put

605
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,720
my money on it right now, I would say that

606
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,799
they're more likely like sixty percent chance that they could

607
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,599
be a bear print. But you know, just for the

608
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,200
sake of full disclosure. On my website and Clifferrickman dot com,

609
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,920
I have a footprint cast database and those footprints are

610
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,079
in there, and I put the dialogue, the email dialogue

611
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,599
between doctor Jeff Meltrem and I on those on the

612
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,440
page that holds those footprints for everyone to see and

613
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,440
everyone to read and come to their own conclusions. Because

614
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,559
that's science. Science. There's an important step in science is

615
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,279
peer review. What do you think about it? Can you

616
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,359
prove me right? Can you prove me wrong? What do

617
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,160
you think? And it doesn't have to be a contentious argument.

618
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:42,480
It could be it could be I don't think so,

619
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,599
I do think. So this is what I think. Great? Great,

620
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:49,279
And so that evidence that data is out there for

621
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:51,200
everyone to look at and make it their own. Linds.

622
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 5: So, Cliff, let me ask you, because we have a

623
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,039
thermal imager that we use and I'm not sure if

624
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,480
people understand that you can actually just use it to

625
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,599
as almost like a flashlight. You don't have to record, now,

626
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,079
will you guys recording when you were doing this or no?

627
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,240
Because you were walking through the woods.

628
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: We generally are recording the entire time we're out there.

629
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,400
That particular time when we saw that thing on the hill,

630
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,480
Matt's recorder was not running, and he took off before

631
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:20,880
anybody could turn it on. I think somebody caught up

632
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,359
to him and managed to get it on while he

633
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,880
was running through the woods or whatever. He's a very

634
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,119
emotional guy, you know, so he says what he thinks

635
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,680
is right all the time, whether it is or not.

636
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,400
My recorder was supposedly running, but for some reason, it

637
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,359
didn't start recording until the thing was a blip on

638
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,319
the hill and it just went over. And I have

639
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,559
no explanation for that, because it's.

640
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: There, you go.

641
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: That's right.

642
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: Everyone's heard of Murphy's law. I strongly suspect that Murphy

643
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:53,160
was a sasquatch.

644
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:59,279
Speaker 1: Here and here. I thought Murphy was an optimist now it.

645
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,839
I heard a debate this week actually on a on

646
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:08,279
a fellow radio show, and and knowing you were coming on,

647
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,359
I really wanted to ask what your opinion is Being

648
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:17,240
now a professional bigfoot hunter, do you what is your

649
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,359
opinion on the idea that science is not going to

650
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,799
accept this creature unless somebody kills one and brings in

651
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:31,119
a body. Are you are what as you do you

652
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,640
lean for towards, you know, having that body brought in

653
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:38,000
for science and killing one of these creatures or or

654
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,160
what is your opinion on that?

655
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: My opinion is that sasquatches should not be killed. And

656
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,119
as far as I'm concerned for any reason, I think

657
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,480
that killing a type specimen, that's what they call the

658
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:55,160
type specimen. A killing a type specimen of a sasquatch

659
00:32:56,319 --> 00:33:00,400
is just generally kind of a rude idea. And I

660
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,119
also think it's outdated. Frankly, I think that's a very

661
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,559
nineteenth century sort of Darwinistic ideas, you know, and Darlin

662
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,640
was sailing to the Galapagos and whatnot. That's a beautiful bird,

663
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,960
Let's kill it and find out what it is. You know,

664
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,200
maybe that's suitable for earthworms or you know, small lizards

665
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,799
or something like that. But I think that's totally an

666
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,000
utterly inappropriate for any great ape. And my mind, you,

667
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,799
when I say great ape, I mean the biological classification,

668
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:31,240
and I include human beings in that. Human beings are primates.

669
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:34,160
We do not have tales, and that makes us apes

670
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,319
in the family of apes. A lot of people really

671
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,720
get their their you know, their their hackles up about that.

672
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,599
But it's it's a biological classification, and that's the way

673
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:48,000
I use that. In fact, I don't think that they're

674
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:49,799
honestly out think there's that big of a difference between

675
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,880
us and the except of great apes. As it is,

676
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,519
they are intelligent, problem solving, sentient, self aware beings that

677
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,920
have a language capabilities, lack the anatomy to make the sounds.

678
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: So actually that sounds a lot more intelligent than a

679
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:05,720
lot of the people I know.

680
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's the way I kind of, I mean,

681
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,400
I'm kind of tongue in cheek, you know, at those

682
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,360
town hall meetings, and I say that big sooots are

683
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,360
smarter than some of our next door neighbors. And that

684
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,840
might actually be true. We don't know much about these things,

685
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,280
and I think that frankly, it would probably be a crime,

686
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,679
not at this point because it's not really in the

687
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,079
books unless you're in s Camania County of Washington, but

688
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,880
I think it would be a moral crime to kill

689
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,960
one and bring one in antiquity antique idea. In my opinion,

690
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,639
I think that because here's the deal, Fasquatches are real,

691
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,000
and because of that simple fact. That means that if

692
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,599
you like, academic acceptance of the species is inevitable, it

693
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,280
will happen. There's no rush on that, right, and some

694
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,960
trucker is going to roll one down, or somebody important

695
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,039
is going to see one in vida or something. So

696
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:03,000
since academic acceptance or a quote unquote discovery, if you

697
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,440
want to call it that, I don't call it that

698
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,440
because you know what, North America didn't need discovery. You know,

699
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:09,639
tens of thousands of people knew was here, just like

700
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,239
tens of thousands of people know bigfoots are real. They

701
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,440
don't need discovering either. So whenever academic acceptance comes, you

702
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,840
only get one first impression. Do we want the first

703
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,800
impression of the sasquatch on the American public to be

704
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,039
a bloody corpse on a slab? Or do we want

705
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,679
to be extended video of a female sasquatch interacting with

706
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,559
its young. What would be better for the species. Well,

707
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,480
obviously the answer is the video, and the video is

708
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,480
not proof of anything. But in my opinion, academic acceptance

709
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:46,239
or discovery is not going to happen in a flash.

710
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,800
There's going to be a rising tide of acceptance more

711
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,880
and more people will turn their head that way and

712
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,840
start looking at the data instead of ignoring the data

713
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,079
as they have been, And all you have to do

714
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,400
is delve into the data. Before long, you're pretty convinced

715
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,920
bigfoots are real because you know what, none of those

716
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,800
scientists have ever seen an atom either, but they're pretty

717
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,639
sure atoms are real too, based on the data. And

718
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,360
that's where I suggest academics look.

719
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,639
Speaker 5: But it's but I find it so ridiculous because okay,

720
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:19,880
they're so rare, there may be only a handful, but

721
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,679
let's kill one. I mean, what kind of what kind

722
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:24,679
of logic is that? I mean, it's you know.

723
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: It's well, so many times I hear every well, they

724
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,039
might be they might be in our own genus. I'm

725
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,679
of the inclination to think that they are. You know,

726
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:37,519
we are Homo sapiens sapiens. That's our species name. Homo

727
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,480
is the genus name. I strongly think that they're in

728
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,440
our genus. I could be wrong, and they could be

729
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,679
something brand new for all I know. I don't know anything,

730
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:49,880
but they show a lot of signs of being very,

731
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,639
very human like. And you know, the more human like

732
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:55,440
something is, the more of a crime it is to

733
00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:01,079
kill it. Let's agree that I'm encouraging acceptance, the academic

734
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:04,960
acceptance based on data for the first time and probably

735
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,559
the most important time in all human history.

736
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,679
Speaker 1: I totally completely agree with you. I mean, if there's

737
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:15,719
these creatures, whatever they are, I mean, there's obviously thousands

738
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,480
of them across not only the United States, but there's

739
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:23,079
evidence that there exist almost worldwide. And you know, if

740
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,199
these animals have obviously have a social structure, there's been

741
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:32,880
observations of families. Uh. The one video that that you investigated, Uh,

742
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,920
I believe was was it Tim Green that had the

743
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,239
what looked like the young satchel baby sat squatch up

744
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,159
in the tree in New York. No, that was another.

745
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,719
That was another that was Yeah, the other not Tim Green,

746
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,599
the other video, you know, And and I've heard many

747
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,440
other stories of people who've seen these as family units.

748
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

749
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: There's the famous case of I think I got the

750
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,159
name right, and now I just got the connection. I'm

751
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,719
laughing at Bobo. There were back in the eighteen hundreds

752
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,519
some miners or somebody captured what seemed to be a

753
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:08,800
young bigfoot and they had a jack O Jacko.

754
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: That was it. Jacko eighteen eighty eight outside of Yale,

755
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:13,599
British Columbia.

756
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Yes, and Jacko, they kept him for a while, they

757
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,280
studied him for a while, but you would it's funny

758
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,800
that there's these academics kept this animal and now we

759
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,440
basically have no record of it. And supposedly Jacko died.

760
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,480
Was was he sent over to Europe or something?

761
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: And what happened to him? Apparently he was held in

762
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,159
the cage in Yale, British Columbia for a short time

763
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,679
and then he disappeared. Academics did not in factful and

764
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,760
those are townspeople like the railroad guys who got him,

765
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000
and no one really knows what happened to him afterwards. However,

766
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,679
a couple of big footers, Chris Murphy and Tom Steinberg,

767
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,400
they've done some work on this. They located the original

768
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:56,719
Yale town because it's now been moved a little bit

769
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,840
away from where the mill was, where the old town was.

770
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:02,239
They've done a lot of sleuthing in that general area,

771
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,800
so they know actually more about that situation than I do.

772
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,079
Speaker 1: It's there seems to have been a lot of interactions.

773
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:14,840
Bigfoot stories go back with the with the white settlers,

774
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,519
or white people for a couple of hundred years, and

775
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,000
of course the Native Americans have their tales that literally

776
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,480
go back thousands of years. But we've talked to some

777
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,800
other bigfoot researchers on our show about you know, some

778
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,559
of these famous cases, like the Ape Canyon incident back

779
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,679
in the nineteen twenties, those miners who fought off what

780
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,320
seems like a bunch of angry bigfoots at night after

781
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,039
shooting one. Albert Osman's experiences of being captured by a

782
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:43,639
bigfoot family and living with it for almost for a

783
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,000
few days before he was able to escape. Whether these

784
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:49,480
stories are true or not, I mean they seem there's

785
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:51,599
enough of the stories that seem to be based in

786
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,400
fact that we've been dealing with these creatures for a

787
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,920
long time. But here we are now, in the twenty

788
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,360
first century, mankind has, you know, especially here in America,

789
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,320
we've we've like exploded in our population. But yet there's

790
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,760
still these isolated pockets out there in the continent and

791
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,920
around the world where these things can still seem to

792
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,679
exist and thrive.

793
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,519
Speaker 4: You know, I would I would actually say that almost

794
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:18,079
the converse is true. It's these isolated pockets in which

795
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:23,079
humans live. There is a tremendous there's a tremendous amount

796
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,880
of land that frankly isn't thickly inhabited at all, even

797
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,800
in California, and the correct me if I'm wrong, but

798
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,039
I couldn't. California, I believe as the most people of

799
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,920
our ball the tippy States, but they're all they're all

800
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,599
located mostly along the coast and these urban centers and

801
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,840
outside of town, even in places like Monterey, California. Yeah, Monterey,

802
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,519
in all that area that has a lot of people there.

803
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:49,039
But you go outside of town, just a little bit

804
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,079
of south of there, and lo and behold, there's a

805
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,800
military base hunter Ligot. There's Sasquatches on hunter Ligate, you know,

806
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,039
right outside of town San Francisco. You go north a

807
00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:59,960
Bitin's in Noma County, and there's some places on the

808
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,559
Snoma County coast even though there are households in their sasquatches.

809
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,480
There are Sasquatches in all of the forty nine states

810
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,679
except for Hawaii, which makes sense, and it's only in

811
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,639
these weird urban centers. Now, I believe I read it.

812
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,440
I could be wrong, but I believe this past year

813
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,639
year before I read an article that stated, for the

814
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,679
first time in all human history, over half the population

815
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,719
was an urban centers. Wow. Now that's a very very

816
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,519
small area. The people outside of urban centers, they lived

817
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:31,880
pretty far away from each other. Generally speaking, there's not

818
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,039
very dense and frankly, there's a lot of land. There's

819
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,480
a lot of land. And you know, people say that

820
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,639
we're a big foot high. Well, that shows kind of

821
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,480
like that shows someone who's not familiar with being outside

822
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,559
in the woods. There's a lot of land. Rhode Island

823
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:50,639
is a great example. You know, the Rhode Island episode

824
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,119
was on this past Sunday. When I heard we're going

825
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,559
to Rhode Island, I was thinking, why, you know, I mean,

826
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,159
there isn't it all like farm land and you know

827
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,639
city And it turns out I get there. Well, it

828
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,400
was a lot of farmland, but all that farmland has

829
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,360
been left and given back to the forests. Even though

830
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,800
Rhode Island is the most densely populated states in all

831
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,360
the forty nine states, fifty nine percent of the land

832
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,519
in Rhode Island is forested. That's a lot of lands

833
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:19,639
in these big foots, especially throughout very many of them

834
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,559
to move around and don't forget. Their most active at night,

835
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:25,920
at least they seem to be, and at night nobody's

836
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,639
out there. They have the run of wherever they want

837
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:28,840
to go.

838
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,559
Speaker 1: Now they're in most in every state, as you mentioned,

839
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,239
the forty nine states, and in any area where there

840
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,159
seems to be forest, there is one time or another

841
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:43,599
people have reported some type of bigfoot activity. I live

842
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,559
up in the very northwestern part of New Jersey near

843
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:49,679
the New York state border, and we have our own

844
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,760
big foot up here. They call them big Red Eye.

845
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,840
It doesn't make a lot of appearances, but it's seen

846
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,199
every once in a while. They hear the screams coming

847
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,239
in from the mountains at night that a town of

848
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,719
Wantage north to me ten years ago had instance where

849
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,960
something was coming in down from the mountains that wasn't

850
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,199
a bear. Cops chased it a few times, and it's

851
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,440
made the newspaper a few times too, and other cases

852
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,400
around the Wanaque Reservoir in Morris County. People have seen

853
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,239
it out near the Delaware water Gap. So a lot

854
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,760
of places, even here locally, and this is such a

855
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,880
densely populated state like New Jersey is you still have

856
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:27,760
activity here too.

857
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct, that's correct, And you know, Sasquatches just

858
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,719
frankly don't need as much land as one would think,

859
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,360
especially if they're just passing through an area. And that

860
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,159
really was driven home to me when I went to

861
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,119
Eastern Ohio. I did a trip with Matt Moneymaker a

862
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,519
few years back to Eastern Ohio following up on some

863
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:51,480
excellent vocalizations that recorded in Beaver Creek State Park. When

864
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,760
I was there, I was struck, like how much of

865
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,679
that land was actually cleared for farm land. But the

866
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,760
bigfoots there when they're not inside the state parks, which

867
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,000
you know, are actually fairly large and acreage and have

868
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,840
a lot of lands on the move around. But they

869
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,840
don't stay there because they don't know what's the state

870
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,960
partner not. They just go wherever they want. They're like

871
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,400
the ultimate anarchists, you know. But so they're moving by

872
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,639
the farm lands in between the farms, using these green

873
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,840
strips that are sometimes only a few yards across. That's

874
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,360
their avenue of travel. They're very, very good at what

875
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,039
they do. They're very good. But you know, they're like

876
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:30,719
super ninjas. They can move about unseen during the day.

877
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,400
A lot of times they know where they kind of

878
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,519
know what's up with us, so they avoid us. Because

879
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,840
they know far more about us and we know about them,

880
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:41,159
and they've learned our habits pretty well, they can avoid

881
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:44,880
us very very efficiently. They don't really need that much

882
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,159
area to hide in, especially if they're not taking permanent

883
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:48,960
residence there.

884
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,079
Speaker 1: When you've been out doing your research, whether either with

885
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:58,440
the show or on your personal time, Yeah, it can

886
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,280
get kind of creepy out there in the being in

887
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,800
the woods in the middle of the night. Have you

888
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,880
ever had any really strange experiences while you've been out

889
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,599
big one hunting?

890
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,119
Speaker 4: Well, I'm out bigfoot hunting. I guess that's kind of

891
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,440
a strange experience to begin with. There's been a few

892
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,039
times I've got kind of creeped out or whatever. But

893
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:22,639
I had one time in particular jumps to mind, I

894
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,639
had one of my best encounters. Actually, Bobo was there

895
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,599
two years running. We ran into these big with the

896
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:30,519
big foots. I think they might have been juveniles by

897
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,559
the way they're acting at this place that I call

898
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,119
the water Spot, which is very close to Bluff Creek

899
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:38,519
where the Patterson Gamlin is the most taken the water Spot.

900
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:42,480
When I first discovered it. The road was blocked off,

901
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,599
so I walked in and I found these really interesting

902
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,960
tree breaks that were off trail. These particular tree breaks

903
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,440
were found at a place along an animal trail where

904
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,719
the animal trail broke a ninety degree angle at four times.

905
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,119
And these tree breaks were were located at the place

906
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,880
where the animal trail changed directions, and in each case,

907
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,400
the tree break was pointed in the direction of travel

908
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,320
if you were traveling from this particular marsh to another

909
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,199
particular marsh, and at the end of the at the

910
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,199
end of the animal trail, I found that for fourteen

911
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,199
and a half inch foot print. It was actually very compelling.

912
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,400
And then when I found that, I was really excited, like,

913
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,800
oh man, this place has got it going on. They

914
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,840
were here not too long ago. I'm going to spend

915
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,760
the night here and as alone, you know, but I'm

916
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,320
going to spend the night here, spend the next couple

917
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,079
days you're looking around. I started going to my car,

918
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,239
and about halfway back to my car, I was god

919
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,840
to set up camp. I got really really spooked, and

920
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,920
I can't explain why. Maybe it's the infrasound thing, maybe

921
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,880
it's I don't know what it was maybe it's just myself,

922
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,320
you know, some sort of a feedback loop in my head,

923
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:48,960
but I got really spooked and I just I just

924
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,480
couldn't stay there that night. I don't really have a

925
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,719
good explanation for it, but that's the truth. And funny enough,

926
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,559
I did about three miles away, two miles away really,

927
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,159
and spent the night there alone, and I had, you know,

928
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,400
three or four bears around me that night. So I

929
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,079
don't know what really was going on at the water spot,

930
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,079
although the next year it turned out to be one

931
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:09,880
of the best big foot spots I've ever run across.

932
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,000
So maybe that's all what's.

933
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: Going on now. You actually led into what I was

934
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,719
going to ask you about with that, because do you

935
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,119
what is your opinion on the theory of the whole

936
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:23,039
infrasound that these animals are able to produce this you know,

937
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:28,079
inaudible sound that affects you physiologically. I mean, it hits something,

938
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,599
you know, with our perceptions, that causes that nervousness to

939
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:32,360
make you want to leave.

940
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 4: I think it's a very interesting possibility. It's not likelihood.

941
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,920
They're certainly large enough to create very very loud sounds,

942
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,079
whether audible or not. And it seems based on the

943
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,960
experiences reported by witnesses and comparing those to the results

944
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,920
of infersonic frequency studies, it seems very very likely that

945
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,239
that's what's going on in the sasquatches. You when you pick

946
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,440
a survey of mammals in general, or actually animals in

947
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,199
general that use infrasound for various purposes, you start finding

948
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,039
that a lot of the things that they use those

949
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:12,400
four would be useful to sasquatches. Elephants, for example, Elephants

950
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,400
can communicate with each other for you know, five or

951
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,280
ten miles away, using infrasonic frequencies, and they actually feel

952
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,079
those frequencies in the ground with their big feet. You

953
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,360
know't I'm not suggesting that sasquatches do that. But an

954
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:29,480
interesting component to infrasound is that infrasound is not absorbed

955
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:33,440
by trees. Whereas you know, throughout their screaming or yelling,

956
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,880
the trees suck up all your noise and they just

957
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,559
absorb the sound and they prohibit your sound from being

958
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:43,760
broadcast a long distance. However, infrasonic frequencies, the sound waves

959
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,519
are so long and so large that the trees have

960
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,000
no effect on them. So and in fact they travel

961
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,840
through the ground. So in theory, like say sasquatches do

962
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:58,559
use infrasound, a sasquatch on one side of a mountain

963
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,239
can probably communicate with the sasquatch on the other side

964
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,480
of the mountain because the infrasonic frequencies would actually travel

965
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:08,519
straight through the ground. And when you when you look

966
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,159
at you look at the naval experiments, like I don't

967
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:13,079
know what decade it was, but the Navy was doing

968
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,079
experiments on infrasound seeing if it would be a viable

969
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,719
use to see if a viable use of infrasound would

970
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,760
be a non lethal crowd control, And so they were

971
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,079
blasting these poor subjects with like huge doses of infrasound

972
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:30,639
and crazy volumes that they couldn't hear, just to see

973
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:33,320
what would happen to them. And you get things like nausa,

974
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:40,039
the feeling of being watched, things scared, unexplicably, dizziness, this

975
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,360
the whole range of stuff, and a lot of those

976
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:48,360
particular a lot of those particular symptoms, I guess have

977
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,119
been reported by witnesses of sasquatches, sometimes before the witness

978
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:56,159
even saw the sasquatch. So I think there's a very

979
00:49:56,199 --> 00:50:01,599
strong correlation, and that's a very strong possibility as sasquatch

980
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:03,480
is do in fact use in person.

981
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:08,159
Speaker 1: Your symptoms that you described and carry in I know,

982
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:09,559
I don't know if you picked up on this, and

983
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:12,719
Lauren too. With what we do in our research as

984
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:19,920
paranormal ghost investigators is we measure electromagnetic fields and high

985
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,400
electromagnetic field and high EMF is said to cause almost

986
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,800
all the same symptoms that you just describe. And people

987
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,519
who feel go into a location and they feel like

988
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:36,400
they're being watched, they feel uncomfortable, tense, like the eyes

989
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,039
are on the back of them. They get that scared

990
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:40,920
feeling for no reason and they want to leave. And

991
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,199
when we do measurements at the time, we actually find

992
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,840
elevated levels of EMF in the area, which makes me,

993
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,599
I don't know, maybe it's related, maybe not. I would

994
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:54,920
almost like to see the next time you guys, when

995
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,880
you're out investigating, if you have some type of EMF

996
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,559
meter with you that if anybody he starts experiencing the

997
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:06,400
the what seems to be infrasound, to start taking EMF readings.

998
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,639
I mean, maybe maybe it'll be a correlation, maybe not,

999
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,760
but I find it very similar enough to be very

1000
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,559
fascinated by it.

1001
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 4: Especially I'm sorry, go ahead, I was gonna.

1002
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,599
Speaker 5: Say, especially if you're in the middle of the woods

1003
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,920
and there's really nothing that's gonna set it off, you know.

1004
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, And unfortunately, there's a lot of naturally occurring

1005
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,000
infrasound out there too. Everything from volcanism to waves to

1006
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:34,719
wind actually produces infrasonic frequencies. So the few attempts there

1007
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,559
has been in actually recording infrasonic sounds out in the woods,

1008
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,280
and I've usually come up with nothing because of that.

1009
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,119
But interestingly enough, I mean I don't have the equipment,

1010
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,360
you know, despite the fact that I'm on TV, I

1011
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,000
don't really have a lot of money. But I would

1012
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:51,519
love to participate in a survey of infersonic frequencies in

1013
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:55,280
North America because this has never been done before. Zoologists

1014
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,119
who specialize in mammals and whatnot of North America has

1015
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,159
never done that. I would love to do that. But

1016
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,440
you know, in my research on infrasounds, I read about

1017
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,920
this haunting that was I think it was a New England,

1018
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,480
and you know, people were seeing apparitions and might not

1019
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,880
like they're just kind of seeing fuzzy things. And I'm

1020
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,480
not really a ghost guy, by the way, but they

1021
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:14,159
were just seeing like lights and stuff, and they didn't

1022
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,360
know what was up. And then somebody came in and

1023
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,400
they found that there was there were infrasonic frequencies happening

1024
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,920
at the nineteen hrtz range due to the plumbing in

1025
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,599
the house, and they fixed the plumbing and the haunting

1026
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:27,920
went away. So, as it turns out, a lot of

1027
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:32,000
those symptoms that people described from infrasound might be actually

1028
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,480
might be confused with a haunting because one of the

1029
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:42,800
other very subtle effects of infersonic frequencies can be visual hallucinations.

1030
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,679
Speaker 1: What type of equipment do you use to test for

1031
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,199
infra That's.

1032
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,039
Speaker 5: What I was gonna ask, because I need to get one.

1033
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 4: Oh, let's see, for infersonic frequencies, you need very specially

1034
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:59,280
designed microphones because obviously microphones are made for recording sounds

1035
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,800
for people, but you can't hear infrasound, so nobody, very

1036
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,079
very few people, i should say, make microphones that are

1037
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:11,280
sensitive enough to pick up frequencies below the twenty hertz range.

1038
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,119
Twenty hurts is twenty vibrations per second. Twenty hurts is

1039
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,760
generally the sound waves that humans can hear at the

1040
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,760
very lowest end of good hearing. But there's a pody

1041
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,760
called Earthworks. They make microphones and that's what they use

1042
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,159
for elephant studies. They can record sounds down to about

1043
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:34,280
two hurts, which is phenomenally low. Now, then you also

1044
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,360
run into problems about the recording device itself, because again,

1045
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,559
recording devices aren't really designed to record things that people

1046
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:45,320
cannot hear, you know. But there are some specialty devices

1047
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,679
out there, and there's some great websites on people who

1048
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:50,519
study elephants and their use of infrasound, and they have

1049
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,679
suggestions for that particular kind of device. And of course

1050
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,599
listening to it can also be a problem because you

1051
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:01,079
can't hear it. And their solution too that is either

1052
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,719
get some extensive software to analyze it, or you can

1053
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,119
speed it out five or ten times and then that's

1054
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,800
you know, it's like if you have a ten hurtz

1055
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,119
sound wave, if you speed it up three times fast,

1056
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,360
then it's a thirty hurts soundwave, but you can hear it.

1057
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,639
Speaker 1: Now, what I would be interested in some type of

1058
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,039
meter that we could be able to measure the infra

1059
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,079
infrasound without actually having to hear it. So yeah, hey,

1060
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,519
maybe we need to contact Bill Chappell or somebody to

1061
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:29,079
get on the.

1062
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:32,519
Speaker 5: Building just to see that it's present, you know, not

1063
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:35,039
necessarily have to hear what it's saying, Like, what did

1064
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,559
I think? I maybe I missed or you didn't say.

1065
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,199
What did they use that they figured it out that

1066
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,119
it was the plumbing? What was the device?

1067
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,639
Speaker 4: I don't I don't remember. I honestly don't remember. I

1068
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:47,719
was doing this research about two or three years ago,

1069
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,679
and that's just one of the tidbits that's stuck in

1070
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,760
my brain. You know. As I said earlier before we

1071
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:57,480
went on air, I only had a limited amount a ram.

1072
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:59,159
Speaker 5: To something for us in the paranormal, which is pretty Yeah.

1073
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, god knows, I in an upgrade.

1074
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,159
Speaker 4: You know, Jack don.

1075
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 5: Keekon probably has something that does this.

1076
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of our investigators who's a mechanical engineer, he's

1077
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:11,039
really big into sound. So we're gonna have to talk

1078
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:11,760
to him about this.

1079
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,039
Speaker 2: Didn't he bring something on the USS Salem? Remember the

1080
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,079
microphones that he had stuff all the time.

1081
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was he's the tech you we need to

1082
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,920
have him experience. Yeah, Cliff, we're actually we're coming up

1083
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,639
towards the end of the program, and I wanted to

1084
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:30,199
ask you, what is what's coming up next for Finding Bigfoot?

1085
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,400
What's the next week's show going to be about? Actually,

1086
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,519
it's going to be airing tonight Sunday at ten pm

1087
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,639
tonight after our show, so everybody be sure to tune in.

1088
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:39,599
But where are you guys going this week?

1089
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a little confused on that because the

1090
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,400
Animal Planet website currently has the next episode to be

1091
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,480
the one we did with Todd's standing in outside of Calgary, Alberta, Canada. However,

1092
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,639
promos on last week's episode say that the next episode

1093
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,679
is Minnesota, so I don't really know what's going to

1094
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,800
be on, but I will say that the Minnesota episode

1095
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,639
was a lot of fun. We got to drive, well,

1096
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,960
I got to drive around this crazy amphibia amphibious swamp

1097
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:13,679
vehicle through these crazy, beautiful, tremendous mass swamps in northern

1098
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:16,199
Minnesota and went to these islands and looked for predators.

1099
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,039
Sign It was really exciting and a lot of fun

1100
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,840
with fantastic witnesses. And if per chance it is the Calgary,

1101
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,480
Alberta episode, and you know, if it's not on side,

1102
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:29,559
it'll be on next week. That's a fantastic episode as well.

1103
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:34,880
The scenery there was breasttaking that is a huge, huge place.

1104
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,159
It was very difficult in this particular case to narrow

1105
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:41,239
down where the sasquatches would be because of this on

1106
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,519
the dry side the east side of the mountains, and

1107
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,880
of course sasquatch sidings are strongly correlated with the amount

1108
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,320
of rainfall in a given area, so the dry side

1109
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,320
of the mountain would have less sasquatch settings in the

1110
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,599
west side of a British Columbia and that was totally true,

1111
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,000
But we spoke to the Native American tribes there. They

1112
00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:00,360
gave us advice, They gave us a blessed thing in

1113
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,559
order to see a big foot as possible. It is

1114
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:06,679
going to be an epic, beautiful, fantastic episode. I would

1115
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,119
highly encourage everyone to check it out, mostly because it's

1116
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:12,800
a lot of fun, but definitely, if for no other reasons,

1117
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,559
just to see the various habitats that sasquatches can actually inhabit.

1118
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: Awesome. And I also wanted to mention the for our

1119
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,960
listeners that a very good friend of our program who's

1120
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,519
been on the show, Tim Stover Junior, also known as Tcsjr. Bigfoot.

1121
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,800
He was going to join us tonight. Unfortunately something came

1122
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,199
up and he wasn't able to join us to talk

1123
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,800
to Cliff. But he will be appearing in an upcoming

1124
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,880
episode of Finding Bigfoot that you all filmed in Ohio.

1125
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,800
So we're really looking forward to seeing that because we've

1126
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,239
talked to Tim about his experiences before in the past.

1127
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:48,519
He has some incredible information. He's done a lot of

1128
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:53,159
fantastic research that he shares with people through his YouTube

1129
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:56,400
channel and everything. Yeah, go ahead, Cliff.

1130
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: We looked into a nineteen ninety three siding and by

1131
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,719
doing a recreation, even if he learned something about his

1132
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,360
siding that he didn't know before, it's pretty exciting. It's great.

1133
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:08,519
Speaker 1: Well, he's been posting ever since. Actually he shot with

1134
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:13,920
you guys. He's had several incredible experiences out in the

1135
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,960
woods capturing more evidence. He found pristine footprint that he

1136
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,519
was able to cast. He caught a strange eyeshine one night.

1137
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:27,760
And the odd thing about this video is there were

1138
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,239
two creatures standing about eight feet tall watching him from

1139
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,239
the woods, and he had his thermal camera and when

1140
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:38,239
he pointed the thermal in the woods, no heat signature whatsoever.

1141
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,000
But yet the camera you could see the eyes blink

1142
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,960
and move, a head's turned. And then he went back

1143
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,719
the next day and he in broad daylight to reshoot

1144
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:50,880
the area. There is absolutely nothing reflective. There, no houses

1145
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,519
with lights, no cars. It was a really odd, strange experience.

1146
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,719
Now I'm not going to say it's paranormal or one

1147
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,800
hundred percent it was Bigfoot, but he's been capturing a

1148
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,199
lot of very fascinating things, and I really encourage people

1149
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:06,800
to visit his channel on YouTube at tcsj R Bigfoot

1150
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,199
and Cliff. It has been fantastic having you on the

1151
00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:12,800
show tonight. I really enjoy talking to you. I feel

1152
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,760
we could easily go another hour. You're a lot of

1153
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,599
free to talk to. I wish I was a kid

1154
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:20,960
taking you're a elementary school class.

1155
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for having me. I do

1156
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:24,159
appreciate it.

1157
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:27,239
Speaker 1: Well, thanks again, and thank you everybody again for tuning

1158
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,320
in to another episode here of Unknown Origins Radio, where

1159
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,440
you can hear us every Sunday evening at eight pm

1160
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,559
Eastern Standard Time here on the Decadence Radio Network, and

1161
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,199
we sign off with our motivational quote of the week.

1162
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:43,480
You can't always control who walks into your life, but

1163
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,159
you can control which window you throw them out of.

1164
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:47,639
Have a great night, everybody,