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That's the only way we can improve. Speaking of feedback

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and that, yesterday I was attending the BA women's basketball game.

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They advanced to the quarterfinal the WBT. They'll play Stamp

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on Thursday. We'll discuss that more with Cam Clark later

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give you a little teas of our starting lineup. But

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I had a fan, Greg Nielsen. Shout out to Greg,

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appreciate him. Him and his wife were attending the game

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and he was looking at my credential. A lot of

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people stare at the credential looking at my name, and

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he says, are you the three man Weave? And I said, yes,

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I am. And I don't like the attention. My coach

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knows we don't like that. I really just like to

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do the show and keep it pushing and do my

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job and get people the best product. And I struggle

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with that, right, I really struggle with that, and I've

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gotten better over the years. But I appreciate the fans

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that are always supportive. Why because you know, they're the

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reasons why this is able to happen. I'm able, you know,

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to pay our bills, and we do well in the

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product that we're able to give to you guys. So

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Greg and I had a great conversation. He was court

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side watching the game. But yeah, and he had asked me.

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I said, yes, that's where it comes from. He's like, Okay,

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I thought it was just a basketball you know, drill.

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is three man weave and I'm the third and then

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Weaver is my last name. So the playof word. So

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we haven't really explained why. I always say you can't

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give yourself the nicknames. Ben gave me the nickname, and

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I've been running with it and I'll continue to run

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with it wherever I go, you know, on this station

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and in my future career, I'll take that. You can

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follow me on x or Instagram at Ron the Three

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Man Week. Speaking of the name, you can follow us

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at b Hammer time showed that's his nickname that he's

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Speaker 4: I may have told this story before, I don't really remember,

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but everyone in high school used to call me a hammer,

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Speaker 2: Some variation of that, and when I graduated. True story, I'm.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if Brat Hamber there's a Crammer graduating

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with us. I was like, that's me, dog, Like nobody

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knew my first name. I guess. So that's how some

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people learned. They learned my government when I graduated.

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stop by. Look, bau fans really love content. And I've

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just accepted this. I was talking to Emily last night,

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my wife Bregg. You've met her, and I just said, like, look,

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if people are stopping you, that means they like what

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they could strongly dislike you, like the school up North.

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accounts of with the school up north. But I've had

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positive interactions with those that covering and and I have

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all of like I said, all of my sister all

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of my not my in laws, but my sister in

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laws all graduated from the U all you graduates. So

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we tease each other. But there are good YOU fans

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out there, even if some don't believe it. Let's get

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to the rest of the starting line up, Brett. We're

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gonna get Parker kinkson. Update here a little bit in

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the nitty gritty. We didn't discuss that yesterday. A court

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discuss a what a KUTV and Desert News have to

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say about it? Over the updates. We'll get to that momentarily.

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At three h five, we're gonna play Calline Santacki media

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availability sound for im a springball. The BA football head

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coach got caught up. He was very positive, very bubbly,

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better than he was three weeks ago, obviously rightfully, so

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three thirty, Cam Clark, a BAU TV sideline reporter, who

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was there At the women's basketball game, Delaney Gibbs scored

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her one thousandth career point in fifty seven games. Look,

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you keep her next season. This is a conversation that

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But in the world of just Nil with the filthy luker,

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you never know, and there's always a shock or two

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it's more about him and the team and the group phenomenal.

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on Thursday, so we'll get an update from Cam. At

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We'll discuss some college basketball as well. Off extra points

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extra points dot com. How do people you know maintain

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these contracts when they're signed? Can you can you really

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sue someone and take them to court buy outs? All

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of that discussion in Miami, Ohio. He's got receipts, Brett,

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He's got receipts that no one wanted to schedule the

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RedHawks and they tried. And that's something I'm really gonna

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get deal deep into, and I would like your thoughts

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right now before I get to the rest of the

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starting lineup. I don't know what you can do if

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you're Miami, Ohio or these are the mid majors high point,

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if you're trying to schedule people and they got receipts

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and you're just ducking, there's no incentive now, so I

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don't You can't really make a rule or make a

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law that just goes against nature. But it's unfortunate that

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it seems like these programs and I could even argue,

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b Yu, and this is no shot at Keviam. It's

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just the truth. You don't want to play the Utah States,

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the UVUS, the Weaber States. You're scared to lose because like, oh,

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it doesn't do us any value. But it's like, well,

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then win the game then by what you're supposed to

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and cover the spread you do. So I don't know, Brah,

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Speaker 2: The hard part is you you you have.

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Speaker 4: To become for lack of a better word, than nobody

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team that they want to play, right, because everybody plays

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nobody's in their non conference.

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Speaker 2: And I shouldn't say that.

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Speaker 4: I mean no disrespect by it, but like BYU plays

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the Abilene Christians of the world, and that somebody's playing

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the Sam Houston's of the world. So everybody already has

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their easy game. So for you to come to BYU

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and be like, hey, playoffs, they're like, hey, we already

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Speaker 2: In addition, BYU is looking at saying.

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Speaker 4: I don't even think it depends on who you talk to, right,

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there's some schools who they're ducking smoking non con. BYU

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I believe Matt Brown did put it out that BYU.

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the internet. Obviously, I'll be always duck and smell like dog.

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and like they were playing they were playing at Madison

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just had like an open schedule, an open challenge with

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nobody's to play, and so it does. It's not necessarily

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a widespread pattern per team. It's more of a case

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by case basis. That being said, though, I think the

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to get more of these Miami Ohio's high points of

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the world in situations where they can play these bigger

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you can say, well, look, they played.

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Speaker 2: Everyone they could play.

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Speaker 4: And that was kind of the argument this year, even

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though some people said their strength of record was bad,

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and it was, but also, you play who you play.

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Speaker 2: If people turn you down, then it is what it is.

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Speaker 4: I do hope that this NCAA tournament opens the eyes

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Speaker 2: We should give these guys more respect.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, Ron what you might see is people want

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to schedule guys like High Point in Miami Ohio even

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less now because they're like, oh, shoot, they want a tournament.

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Speaker 2: Because I loved high Pontes coach.

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Speaker 4: After the game, he was like, they didn't want to

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play us in the regular season, they had to play

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teams like us in the tournament and looked what happened.

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It'll be really interesting to see if this pushes more

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teams to schedule those guys, or if it pushes more

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non con. We don't want to be the storyline like

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you kind of be what you don't want to be Miami,

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Speaker 2: They don't want to be the national storyline. We want that.

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Speaker 4: Obviously because it'd be cool to see those big dogs

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go down to teams like that, but those teams don't

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necessarily want to be on that end of the headline.

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this has the effect that we think it will, or

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does it actually have the opposite effect because these guys

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Speaker 3: Hey, you bring up a very valid point. I received

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a text message on the flip side as as we're

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it doesn't matter what the quad game sends. If you

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took care of business, you'll get the dub. But the

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fear is as Brett is stating, people are scared that

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if they lose it will affect their resume. Says maybe

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more about the team playing who wins than the team losing.

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back and just it just texts me and says this

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particular thing. But let's not act like that high Point

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or the Miami of Ohio just because they beat a BYU,

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or if they were to beat let's say even Arizona

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one time, Brett, that they could do with the entire

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Big twelve, they would get smoked out the wazoo. Look,

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we're not discussing that friend that just texts me. They're

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listening to and in the tournament, you got to win games,

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you don't, I see, I see you.

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Speaker 2: I agree with what he's saying.

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Speaker 3: But I agree with what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: We gotta win one game in March in the first round.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's all you do. And guess what high Point

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got Wisconsin on one game. Sure, if they probably saw

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him twice a year, they probably will lose maybe one

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or maybe one or both. But they caught him on

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the right thing. And that's why we love the madness

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of March. Appreciate Brett giving the stalks there. J Drew

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Parker Kingston update. This is per the Desert News former

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BYUI receiver Parker Kingston won no longer be required to

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where a GPS ankle monitor as his felony rape case

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makes its way through the Utah's fifth District Court. Kingston

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made a brief appearance in the Saint George Court Monday

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morning for a scheduled preliminary hearing, but attorneys on both

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sides of the case ask Judge j win Word to

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push back the hearing to April excuse me to April second,

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because they need more time to work out issues regarding

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evidence and witnesses. According to KUTV, which was the pull

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news outlet for the hearing, Kingston, who turned twenty two

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last week, was arrested and jailed last month on first

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three felling rape charge after a year long investigation. The victim,

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then a twenty year old female, reported a sexual assault

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to the police at Saint George Regional Hospital in February

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twenty twenty five, and then he was able to make bond.

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He was released one hundred thousand dollars bond with ten

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thousand dollars bail excuse me, one thousand dollars bond with

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ten thousand dollars bail paid to the court upfront. As

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terms of he was released from jail last month. Kingston

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was auditory and ankle monitor and could not have contact

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with the alleged victim or any of her roommates or

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possible witnesses. He could not enter Washington County for any

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reasons other than courts to mak an appearance, and could

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not could not disparage the alleged victim or could use

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any form of social media while the case is currently pending.

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Obviously we know Byu said he's no longer with the

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school or a member of the BYU football team. A

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spokesperson for BYU was not aware of the investigation and

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a legend until the junior was arrested in provo on

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February eleventh. Kara, what is it, Tangiau? It's his lawyer.

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I hope I'm saying that right. That's the update, Brett.

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It originally was scheduled for I want to say this

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April thirteenth. The preliminary hearing was moved up to Monday

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for the request of Kingston's side, the Salt Lake City

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Base attorney. During a brief video conference on February twenty fifth,

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was supposed to be yesterday. They took care of it,

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but it's been pushed back a week now as we know.

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But Parker did not speak in that April excuse mean

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that February twenty fifth meeting, So now it will take

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place April second, is what Brett next Thursday? Am I

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correct or Am I wrong in that? I'd have to

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double check that. Let me look really quickly at the

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dates online. Yes, so that would be the date got

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pushed back April second, next Thursday, Brett. Your thoughts on

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this and just the update no longer has to wear

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the ankle monitor in court has been pushed back because

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they want to get more time to work out issues

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related to evidence the witnesses. Sounds like if you're to

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think about witnesses, Brett, and we don't know if this

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is the victim or the roommates or those who were

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with Parker. We know obviously that there was information released

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about a double date and going down in those things.

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It sounds like people are going to testify in this meeting,

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which is interesting.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I was under the impression that

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there was nobody else in the house at that time,

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thought that I had read that. But as it's clearly

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there's some kind of witness on some kind of level,

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we don't know what that is.

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Speaker 2: We don't know whether or not the roommates were at

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the house, whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 4: These are these things are so tough, man, because you

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you don't want someone to go to jail for something

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they didn't do, but you also don't want someone to

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be harmed in that manner. And so it's really important

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that like you're just I mean, we are just so

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delicate when we talk about this because like.

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Speaker 3: We really absolutely we really.

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Speaker 4: Can't speculate on a whole lot, because we really don't

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know a whole lot. There was an interesting piece at

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the end of this Deseret News article that j Drew

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put out that we may have to ask him about later.

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Speaker 2: The last sentence in the.

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Speaker 4: Article says that Kingston's lawyer alleges that less than four

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hours after news articles were published online in the Retslov case,

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this anonymous accuser decided she wanted to pursue charges against Kingston.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put words in.

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Speaker 4: Her mouth or in Jay Drew's mouth, but reading that

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line signals to me that the lawyer is alleging that

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this accuser of Parker saw the articles published online about

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Jake and then she decided to pursue charges. Again, I

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don't want to assume anything, but reading that that allegation

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gives me a couple thoughts that I'm sure our listeners

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are thinking as well. It is an interesting case. They

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also said that he wasn't and maybe you read this

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he couldn't enter Washington County because they wanted to make

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sure that he wasn't. I guess they wanted to put

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priority safety for this victim, which I thought was really interesting,

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taking his ankle monitor off, which I think makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I don't know situations like this super well.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to pretend that we're legal experts, but

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I don't think that Parker's the type of guy who's

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gonna be running to Mexico anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: But it is what it is.

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Speaker 4: I just I want everyone to get justice. I want

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everybody to be taken care of the way they need

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to be. And I again like, we want it to

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be fair for everybody because we don't know which way

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this thing would go. So for Kingston to have his

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ankle monitor off, I feel like is fair. But again,

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I don't know the entirety of the situation. I just

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think it's a really interesting this allegation here at the

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bottom that the allegation is that she decided to pursue

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charges four hours after the news articles were published online.

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It's an interesting allegation. It's one that you certainly would

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have to back up with some kind of intentional proof,

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which again I'm not a legal expert, but my guess

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is that would be tough. It'll be interesting to see

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how this thing plays out. I was a little surprised, honestly,

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ron that like they it's iud like both parties from

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watching that hearing.

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Speaker 2: Both parties wanted to push.

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Speaker 4: This thing, which means either like both of them feel

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good about going out and getting.

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Speaker 2: More evidence and speaking with more witnesses.

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Speaker 4: There's so so much of this case that we don't know,

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right because like you've heard things, I've heard things, but

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I don't know how legitimate those things are. So once

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this court case actually begins and we have witnesses testifying,

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with people speaking on it, then we'll have a much

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better idea of piecing these things together.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'll touch on everything before I backtrack

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and stay with us the listeners. I'm gonna tell you

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guys about winn It originally, you know, was filed to

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have this inkle monitor off. It was actually March nineteenth,

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it was last Thursday to start this process, and then

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you know it was removed. So I don't know if

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there was an update given last week. I know I

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was out of town. But I'll just circle back to

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it to Brent's point about more witnesses from both sides,

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and they wanted more evidence. Look, with this want a trial,

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you want to make sure you have all of your

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p's and q's together. So I would have to think

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of and look, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not trying

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to undermine the justice system. I don't want people think

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I'm trying to be funny here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: But from watching like Law and Order, having talked to

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friends that are going into law, it sounds like, you

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know they maybe met with the judge beforehand or discussed

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its cuss you always going over evidence, having discussions about

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certain things when you're going to trial, because you know,

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you pick the jury, that's what you do. Like these

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these guys, these I said, these guys, these lawyers are

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talking to each other, They're having conversations. I mean, look,

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if when plea deals get involved, this is not just okay.

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Both sides are doing their own thing and there's no communication.

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There is communication going across, but not between the defendant,

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you know, and you know the prosecutor like the victims,

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those involved with Parker who they're trying and the victim,

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am who is the one? And look, I think your

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best protection to you know, making sure you can't enter

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Washington County. You have to take all precautions. Whatever it is. Right,

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they obviously have evidence, but I would think based on this,

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because you know what you said, Bratt, I remember I

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think reading that that she that there was no one

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else in the house, I would have to think that

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she's the one that could testify. If I'm trying to

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read between the lines. Again, I can't speculate, but you

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have to think, like, Okay, if there was no other witnesses,

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how could that be? So it's tough, but we're gonna

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find out, you know, and next Thursday, April second. I

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don't think they're going to move it past that. Now

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let's backtrack a little bit. This was put out by

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the Desert News. This was by Dennis Romboy. He was

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the one that put it out. According to the new

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court filing, this was last week. Kingston was heading to

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Saint George to play golf on the weekend on February twentieth,

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twenty twenty five. On February twenty second, he and initials

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AM were planning a double date with his friend and

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her roommate to maybe go bowling and get ice cream,

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but the date didn't materialize. Quote AM then reached out

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and asked Parker to come to her residence. It was

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one thirty am by the time mister Kingston arrived, as

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he was staying approximately thirty minutes from Am. His attorney wrote,

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Once mister Kingston arrived at the residence, he and Am

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go into the bedroom and turn on a movie. The

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alleged victim and Kingston have both said they engaged in

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sexual activity, So there you go. I want to repeat that.

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The alleged victim and Kingston have both said they engage

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in sexual activity, but the accounts differ. So that's where

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I think he can get a little bit different. So

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now as we get that information, you know, both have

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00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,359
agreed to that, because at first, Bro, we only heard

474
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,599
that parks at all was consensual. You know, oh, go ahead, yes,

475
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:23,920
and you.

476
00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: Said or you read that she invited him over correct.

477
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,839
Speaker 3: That's what that's what That's what it says in this

478
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,759
yet Am then reached out and asked Parker to come

479
00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:37,599
to her residence. It was at one thirty am by

480
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,279
the time mister Kingston roth so a Am reached out.

481
00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:43,839
That allegend victim reaches out to Parker, doubl edates plan golf,

482
00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:46,799
he was Derek golfing, bolling, didn't happen. Ice cream, but hey,

483
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,000
still come to my apartment, That's what it's saying, Which.

484
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 4: Is again, I'm I'm having a hard time keeping of

485
00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:55,759
track of like which account came from whose mouth?

486
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was under the impression of the initial report.

487
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,039
Speaker 4: I don't The initial report made it sound like maybe

488
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,720
this was her report that I guess it probably was

489
00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:07,480
because it was a lawsuit from her, Yes, but made

490
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,240
it sound as though Parker said, hey, I'm coming over.

491
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,559
She said, don't come over, and he came anyway. Now

492
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:17,519
we're reading another filing that says that she was pretty

493
00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:21,839
consensual about him coming over. And here's the way you

494
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,400
settle all of this is if there's text messages, then

495
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,799
it's pretty easy to prove that one way or the other.

496
00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely is. I agree, and I think that's

497
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,400
why they want to gather more evidence I'll keep reading

498
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,240
from this article that was posted April nineteen. The Washington

499
00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:41,880
County prosecutors are largely hinging their case on text messages

500
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,279
retrieved from Kingston's cell phone. Based on the communication obtain

501
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,000
from Kingston's cell phone after the incident, it can be

502
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:50,079
inferred that he went to her apartment with the intention

503
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,759
of having sexual interclose quotes quote Laden wrote in the

504
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:57,240
Probical Calls statement. The new court filing includes an expert

505
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,200
an expert, excuse me, an expert of Kingston's interview with

506
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:02,440
the police, in which he denies he went to the

507
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,640
woman's house to have sex. Quote and I want to

508
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,160
make sure I preface things to those that are listening

509
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,279
are right now that are listening to the podcast. This

510
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,200
is per the article. So I just want anybody that's

511
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,079
listening right now to just be aware of certain verbiage

512
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,559
and language and how this is being described. These are

513
00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:21,359
not my words. I'm reading this per the article, to

514
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,680
the best of my ability. Quote from Parker. Yeah, I mean, obviously,

515
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,440
I'm thinking something's going to happen, But I wasn't planning

516
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,200
on having sex, obviously, and I made a mistake, and

517
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:33,079
that's not what I believe in, Deputy Layden. And that's

518
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,359
the thing. And that's the thing, Parker, is that it

519
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,400
feels like you're going over there with the purpose when

520
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,680
you're talking, when you're talking with quote your friend question

521
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,160
Mark or is it just too Bro's brewing it up? Parker?

522
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:46,759
Is it just too Burroughs brwing it up?

523
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

524
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: I was going to go over there, but not to

525
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,319
have sex. Right, I was going over there at one

526
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,720
thirty m. What else was I thinking?

527
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:52,039
Speaker 2: Right?

528
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: Parker then says, what is she thinking obviously is to

529
00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,559
do stuff. Debut, Layden says, so it's not that you

530
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,839
weren't thinking. It's not going over there just to have sex.

531
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,920
But in your mind you kind of already knew that

532
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,319
that's that that's no, not to have sex, but just

533
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,440
to make out. So this is per the cell phone

534
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,480
that they obtained the conversation. This is, you know, according

535
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:18,279
to the what is It memorial, dumb Am reached out

536
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:20,599
to Kingston in March twenty twenty five and told him

537
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:24,799
that he had taken advantage of her. So there you go, Kingston,

538
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,440
per the court filing, responded, I didn't think I didn't

539
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,920
take advantage of you. I didn't think anything was casual.

540
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:34,079
You told me before and then you said yes or else.

541
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,440
I wouldn't have done that because I did not. I

542
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,160
didn't do that with anybody, to be honest, I would

543
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,480
never do that to someone unless they agreed, and you did.

544
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:46,400
I'm sorry that. Excuse me, I'll backtrack. I'm sorry that

545
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,640
I took that from you. It was late, and I

546
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,839
shouldn't have gone over there in the first place, because

547
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,359
I regret doing it too. I'm sorry. So this is

548
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,759
all from the from the cell phone. You know what

549
00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:02,160
the obtained in the document. So this is the most

550
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,559
recent thing and to me, all of this information that

551
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,839
we've been giving and then you go to what Jay

552
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,279
Drew and KUTV have reported recently. I think that's why

553
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,200
they want more time to make sure that they have

554
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,759
this in order, because all of more information's coming out now.

555
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:19,720
Brad of Okay, the double date didn't happen. She invited

556
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,200
him over Parker saying, well, I thought it was a

557
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:23,799
do stuff, but just to make out I didn't think

558
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:25,240
it was going to go there. She's like, no, I

559
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,160
told you I didn't want to have sex. You know,

560
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,920
all of that is coming out again to those that

561
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,559
are listening. Just want you guys to know reading from

562
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,319
what's from the article, and that's what we're discussing right now.

563
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,160
But that's the information, BRep, that's the information that we've

564
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,599
been given about that. Those are the updates. Don't know

565
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,240
if you guys read the one from last Thursday, but

566
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:45,279
those are the last two things that we know other

567
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,839
information that has come out. So I'm not surprised that

568
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,519
they pushed this back, knowing what happened, and you know,

569
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:53,640
just to give the update of why I'm trying to

570
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,000
find it right now as I scrolling Parker Kingston having

571
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,240
the what is it his ankle monitor re move? Okay

572
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,160
here this is in a court five last Thursday. So

573
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:03,839
the update that we were talking about, Kingston's attorney asked

574
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,559
judge to release Kingston from his ankle monitor and wrote

575
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:09,480
that is simply absurd close quote for the prosecutors to

576
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:13,720
consider the leyden utah, what is it resident a flight risk.

577
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,200
So they have removed it. They'll meet next Thursday. But Brett,

578
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,079
that is the update with the information that we've been

579
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,920
given the text messages from Parker's phone that they they

580
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,519
received him in depulating talking. But yeah, so that that

581
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,519
is the probable call statement that they had. So very

582
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,759
interesting that this information has been released in these court filings.

583
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,440
But yeah, this is this is gonna be tough. This

584
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:37,519
is gonna be tough, and you know, I hate that

585
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,519
everyone who is going through this because obviously these are

586
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:45,079
you know, some very direct messages. But it's just it's

587
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,319
it's tough, you know, when when it gets to this,

588
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,039
when one person might be thinking something else in communication

589
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:51,759
and we don't know what was communicated at the house.

590
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,359
We only know over text messages and what the victim

591
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,839
is saying happened and what Parker's saying happened. But that's

592
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,880
the update, Brett, to go back and give you the

593
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,920
information from Thursday.

594
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you would think that the text messages would be

595
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:09,799
pretty clear and definitive. And the way that that interview

596
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,359
reads sounds like there's still some ambiguity in the conversation

597
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:22,440
because again, the initial report said that she told him

598
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,559
don't come over if that's what you're interested.

599
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:27,559
Speaker 2: But that doesn't sound like.

600
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: If the police officers had those text messages and they

601
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,000
knew that, then there wouldn't really be a debate of

602
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,759
Parker saying, well, I didn't know that that was going

603
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:40,119
to happen.

604
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: I was just planning to make out if she's explicitly

605
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,119
said in the text messages.

606
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: Don't come over if you're interested in having sex. So again,

607
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,960
it's a lot of different people's accounts. However, text messages

608
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:59,480
shouldn't be that ambiguous. Those would be pretty explicit. So

609
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,039
I'll be interested. I mean again, as court plays out, like,

610
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,960
that's when the real story will start getting peace together

611
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,599
and it won't just be my account versus their account.

612
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,920
It will be are their account versus the other's account.

613
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,200
It'll be like piecing together the facts of what did

614
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:19,519
and didn't happen. Dennis Romboy of Desert News also put

615
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:24,240
out an article quote Parker kinkson defense claims alleged rape

616
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:27,880
victims account mirrors the Retsloft case. So this so that

617
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,039
line that I was reading at the end of Jay

618
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,559
Drew's article that was in reference to a Thursday court

619
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,119
filing in which Parker Kinkson's lawyer quote lays out of

620
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,920
timeline starting with Kingston and the victim identified in court

621
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,240
documents as am meeting on social media in January. She

622
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,160
then goes on to quote the Salt Lake Tribune, quoting

623
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,359
a police report in which Reetslof's accuser alleged retsloffell asleep

624
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,079
but soon woke up and again began and began forcefully

625
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,359
kissing and touching her. Less than four hours after the

626
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,160
story was published online, Am decided she wanted to pursue

627
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:10,319
charges against Kingston. Kingston's lawyer wrote, and then this is

628
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,200
the quote from Kingston's lawyer.

629
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:12,599
Speaker 2: Quote.

630
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: At no point during her initial interviews does she say

631
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,480
that mister Kingston fell asleep. Notably, the alleged victim in

632
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,680
Redslof matter says that he fell asleep and then woke

633
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,559
up and started aggressively kissing her. It appears Am is

634
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,160
now mirroring the information from the Salt Lake Tribune article.

635
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,480
According to the former quarterback of BYU, that is a

636
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,240
very interesting and I would I don't know. That seems

637
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:41,519
like a pretty bold claim to say that this woman

638
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:50,000
is allegedly just mirroring that court case. I don't know, man, Yeah,

639
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,920
this is there's a lot going on here.

640
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:55,119
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on here. I misspoke when I

641
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,279
was discussing Parker Kingston and Debut Layden. That was the

642
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,799
interview that occurred between Parkis we know that Parker was

643
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:02,920
interviewed just as I said, text message Just know the

644
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,359
text messages was the probable cause they were interviewing him

645
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,400
based based off exactly and it could be inferred yet

646
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,200
that was the probable cause of Hey, we feel we

647
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:13,079
have this for the arrest. And then that is the

648
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,440
interview with that that I talked about that the Desert

649
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,279
News has with Parker and depulated a portion of it,

650
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,359
not all. So I agree all of this is very

651
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,759
interesting and look, I don't know if it's going to

652
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:26,240
come to a close later Thursday. Look, I'm not a lawyer.

653
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,640
Me and Brett are just reading from Desert News dot

654
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,960
com and the stuff that we have from KUTV. Look,

655
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,079
Handy and Handy join our show on Thursdays every Thursday

656
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,440
at five o'clock. This is something that we are definitely

657
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,359
going to talk about with them. You'll get it from

658
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:40,279
their side. You'll have been they will break it down.

659
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,240
I'm a little bit more, but I wanted to not

660
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160
pass by today. We had to talk about and give

661
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,160
you the update and say where it set, of why

662
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,000
Parker's inkle monitors off and that's been granted, and what's

663
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,519
the update with the case, and give you some more information.

664
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,599
I always invite everybody to follow all the journalists and

665
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:58,359
all the information at all the local reporters and the

666
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680
spots around the state of Utah to stay up to date.

667
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,200
As we are ourselves. We have to take a break.

668
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,119
We've gone long in that second. But I hope hopefully

669
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,799
that gives you the update you need it and the

670
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,000
other stuff. Again, we just we pray for everybody involved.

671
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,640
No speculation. We don't know what's gonna happen, but they

672
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,079
want more time. April second. It has been pushed back

673
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,160
to next Thursday for more evidence to gather and to

674
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,599
get certain witnesses. So it sounds like certain people could

675
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,400
could testify. We will find out as well. Maybe look,

676
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,000
I might have to talk to Ben and see if

677
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,359
you know, as we as journalists, what can we do.

678
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,880
Maybe if that's going to be I don't know if

679
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the court's going to be open to be able to

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you just say to pop country because Florida Jorgia line

709
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,440
is not really country, even though they under that.

710
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,079
Speaker 3: But I just think this is a great song. Cruise

711
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,559
was the first one I did. Gotta love some Nelly

712
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,880
and the reason why I said it, Brett, I know

713
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,480
you were coming in today to you know, our bandwib

714
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:14,760
studios down there, and I'm here in Salt Lake. But

715
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,599
it's beautiful outside today, man, Like you if you look outside,

716
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,639
like I'm looking at the trees, I'm looking at the

717
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,480
American flag, I'm looking what is it the flowers. Everything

718
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,199
is just blowing so nicely with the breeze. I don't

719
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,880
know what the temperature is, but it's a great sixty

720
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,360
to seventy sixty to seventy degree weather day. And I

721
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,360
love when it's like this, like this is my favorite

722
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,360
time of the year with partly cloudy and you can

723
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,599
just cruise outside like you don't need the AC on.

724
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,599
You can just roll the window down and it's great.

725
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,920
So I'm I'm feeling great today, man.

726
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just went and counted. I have thirty plus

727
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,559
Florida Georgia Lion song.

728
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: Man. I remember when Cruise first came out. I think

729
00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:00,159
it was twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I had my had

730
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,559
my skull Candy headphones us throwback, throw back to when

731
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:04,760
skull Candy was popular.

732
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: Now we all have beats.

733
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, Florida George Line is probably one of

734
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,800
my favorite country artists of all time, and I'm so

735
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,159
bummed that they broke up, even though there's a there's

736
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:20,440
some rumblings that that uh Tyler and BK maybe patching

737
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,280
things up, getting back together, maybe.

738
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: Do a release or we will see. I needail music.

739
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,639
Speaker 4: I love Florida Georgia Line because to your point, like,

740
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,679
I loved what they did musically, Like they have a

741
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,719
bunch of normal old hard country songs, but then they

742
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:42,159
also had they had like remixes with Nelly, they had

743
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,480
collapse with Luke Bryan and Jason Derulo and bb Rexa,

744
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:47,360
and so like, I feel like they they did a

745
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,559
really good job of like knowing how to be country

746
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,079
but knowing how to be pop and finding a way

747
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:56,559
to create lots of music that applied to both genres

748
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:57,519
and all in between.

749
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: So I love the Florida George Line. I didn't even

750
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,159
know you were. I didn't.

751
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:02,559
Speaker 4: I don't know how I've been on this show for

752
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:04,800
this long and never done a Florida Georgia Line song,

753
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,039
But I'm glad that you did.

754
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:07,599
Speaker 2: And I also love me some Nelly dude.

755
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if you've seen it, but Chance

756
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,039
the Rapper does a country remix of Hot in Here, Yes,

757
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,480
and it is un freaking real.

758
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,159
Speaker 2: That needs to be a song someday somebody needs to

759
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:20,519
record that.

760
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,679
Speaker 4: But yeah, shout out to Florida Georgia Line his band

761
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,159
of the day, big fgl.

762
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 3: Fan, Big fgl Fanity myself. That's that's where it all

763
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,360
started to get into these other country artists. Was a

764
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,360
Florida Georgia line gotta get your shine on way back

765
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,239
in the day. If it's meant to be, it'll be

766
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,159
your whole All of that so good stuff, good songs.

767
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:42,159
I do want the READI into. Please make up guys,

768
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,559
give us what we want. I know that I'm gonna

769
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:46,039
be going to post some loon in jelly row, but

770
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,599
I would love to take a trip and have a

771
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,519
Florida Georgia line in that as well. I'm starting to

772
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,320
get into concerts. I think Brett. As I got older,

773
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,920
I used to, you know, I have my artist that

774
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,280
I listened to. I've seen Kendrick Hasteren Drake, seeing j

775
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,480
Cole in concert, obviously seeing Beyonce. But I was like,

776
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:01,920
ah no, I was like, let me expand a little bit.

777
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,880
And that's I've done it. You know, I've I've you know,

778
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,280
obviously seen Post Malone two. But it's like, wow, these

779
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,920
these are some great, great performers. They do a great job.

780
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,280
Boys like girls, they do a great job.

781
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,119
Speaker 2: So it's so many.

782
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:16,519
Speaker 3: Obviously the Jonas Brothers, I saw your boy Will fahrenare

783
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,639
he is a certified Jonas brother fan when they came

784
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,159
back on that tour. But yeah, music, that's how I

785
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,599
that's my outlet and that's why we love this segment

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794
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,079
got a the narrative, and we're gonna play a SoundBite

795
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:50,400
in this segment. This is from the Hurt with Colin Coward. Jason,

796
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:53,880
you know McIntyre, like, I nothing against the guy, but

797
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:58,400
this narrative bread of AJ making seven million is really

798
00:37:58,519 --> 00:37:59,320
starting to bug me.

799
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,559
Speaker 4: Look, Jason mctire two weeks ago said that Mike Evans

800
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:04,599
had never sniffed a Super Bowl And as soon as

801
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:05,960
Jason Mike said that.

802
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: I knew I didn't need to listen to a single

803
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:09,599
thing he had to say.

804
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:12,559
Speaker 3: You're not wrong this man. Look, I feel like the

805
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:14,639
people on television and this includes stephen A.

806
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,039
Speaker 2: Smith.

807
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: It's not just about I think at this point kissing

808
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,000
that gold ring that gives you the money. And maybe

809
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,679
people say I'm out of pocket for saying that, but

810
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,719
it's just like the journalistic integrity is just gone, you know,

811
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,239
and if you and this is just gonna be a

812
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,079
shot at those that don't unless you take a media

813
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:32,639
ethics or law class you need, you don't know certain

814
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,360
things and you have to be taught. Like I didn't write,

815
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,880
there's a lot I thought I did know. Then I said, oh,

816
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,880
well you can't do that. Oh you can't do that oh,

817
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,159
you can't do that, and that's okay, but sometimes people

818
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,920
just say stuff and I just feel like when things

819
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,519
like this are said, and I appreciate being quote sweeting

820
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,000
it and saying no one. Then there was a fan

821
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,119
that came and that said, well, what is it, Ben?

822
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:51,760
And Ben's like, I don't know the numbers. He's like,

823
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,079
I'm not private to that information, right, neither am I,

824
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,480
But I don't know. But Ben's like, if I had

825
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,119
to guess, or if I had to speculate, I think collectively,

826
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,719
with everything he has, you could say that. And I've

827
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,360
been on record on this show saying, if you want

828
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,440
to say, with everything that he has that's outside of

829
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,639
BAU and what BYU is giving him, if you want

830
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,199
to say seven million, cool, but the university is not

831
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,559
giving him seven million dollars. That's just not how it is, Like,

832
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,679
that's not what they're doing. They're not paying a guy

833
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,119
seven to ten million dollars to play basketball, Like, that's

834
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:22,760
not what it is. And we just it has to stop,

835
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,679
you know, And I have to make sure that I

836
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,400
help uphold that. And I have no obligation in Asia

837
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,400
doesn't need me to do this. BYU doesn't need me

838
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,400
to do this. I'm doing this with my own account

839
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,760
because I just I don't like when you just I'm

840
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,119
gonna say it, you lie or you say information that

841
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:38,840
you don't know. And there are others in this market

842
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,079
that I will not name out of respect because I'm

843
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:42,679
not trying to make it beef, but that you act

844
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,599
like you do know and you don't. Oh I was

845
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:46,880
told this by that source. Okay, Well did that source

846
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:47,719
give edge of the money?

847
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: No?

848
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 3: Okay, then they don't know, like it is. Just that's

849
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,719
what I'm saying, like I'm poking that bear today and

850
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,079
I will because I think it's absurd when people, you know,

851
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,559
just the false reporting sometimes what people think that they know.

852
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,119
And I mean, in this video he even says I

853
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:01,400
don't know.

854
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,119
Speaker 2: It's like, what do you mean?

855
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 4: Then?

856
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,119
Speaker 3: Why are you being declared if you don't know. Let's

857
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:07,840
get to it. This is a SoundBite about aj quote

858
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,679
making seven million dollars when we all think that we

859
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,320
all know that he's not making that. But if you

860
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,440
want to sell all his deals collectively, I could hear

861
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:16,599
that for a minute.

862
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,199
Speaker 5: And now it's pivoted back to de bonsa Boozer's lurking.

863
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: Darius A.

864
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:23,119
Speaker 5: Cuff is in the mix, Caleb Wilson as well. But

865
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,119
Aj Debonsa let's talk about him. So yesterday the BYU

866
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,719
Star scores thirty five and has ten boards. But B,

867
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,679
why you lost to Texas. There's a great sound we'll

868
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:36,320
play for you in a minute from Sean Miller, the

869
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,000
coach of Texas. How do you stop him? We can't

870
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,360
stop him? I mean AJ Debonca was insane. If you've

871
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,559
seen the highlight reels online. I mean they're throwing double

872
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,679
teams at him. He's doing whatever the hell he wants.

873
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,559
You cannot stop this kid. I see like a young

874
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:53,360
Tracy McGrady. You know, some people say they see a

875
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,000
little quicker Paul Pierce. The bottom line is Aj Debonsa

876
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,400
is going to be an NBA pro, maybe the first

877
00:40:59,440 --> 00:40:59,960
pick overall.

878
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: I just had a I just had a question. Though

879
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,800
he cost in the five to seven million dollar range.

880
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,039
Speaker 5: If you look online, he allegedly got seven million dollars.

881
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,000
I'm just wondering, B, why you Last year they made

882
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,440
the Sweet sixteen guys, good run lost Alabama. Alabama made

883
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,239
like seventy five three pointers. Crazy game. This year they

884
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,239
get Aj Debonsa. They're like a middle of the pack

885
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,519
team in the Big twelve. Now, they did lose Richie Saunders,

886
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:32,079
their second best player. Obviously that hurts. But for five

887
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,880
to seven million dollars, we'll go with seven. For seven

888
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,320
million dollars, they got one game in the NCAA tournament,

889
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,280
it's over. I'm not saying they would not take aj Debonsa.

890
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,639
If you could get the number one recruit, top five recruit,

891
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:44,079
you take.

892
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: Him, obviously.

893
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 5: But we're in the infancy period of nil and how

894
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,199
to pay players and build your roster. And we've talked

895
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,639
a lot in the NFL about how man, once you

896
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,239
pay that quarterback a ton of money, it's tough to

897
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,400
build a rock sture around. It's even tougher in the

898
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,199
NFL with eleven you know, eleven offense, eleven defense, special teams.

899
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 3: Basketballs should be easier.

900
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 5: Right, five guys pay them, right, Michigan's doing it, you know,

901
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,599
Duke b why you interestingly has Debonsa at seven mil.

902
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,519
I'm just wondering our team seeing this and being like, hey,

903
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,320
we all know, no Man is an island. You cannot

904
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,199
do it yourself. It is impossible. In this era, there's

905
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,400
just too much talent would be why you have maybe

906
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:34,400
fared better if they had go I don't know, two

907
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,599
guys for two million and.

908
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:36,639
Speaker 3: A one million dollar guy.

909
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 5: And oh, by the way, that trio. Hey, let's let's

910
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,920
run it back next year. We're not going to the

911
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,239
league yet. And again I'm not saying you don't take

912
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,119
de Bonsa. I'm just asking a question like was the value?

913
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,599
Did they get the value that they spent on Debonsa?

914
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,760
And it's not a knock on the kid. He brought

915
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,719
the major pub right there, all over newspapers online, We're

916
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,159
talking about him on this show. When do you talk

917
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,320
about byu Bass cat Ball? The national TV shows?

918
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: Not ever?

919
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,199
Speaker 5: And they got high profile games, and again he was exceptional.

920
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 3: But they're one and done. It's over.

921
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 5: We don't get any more Debonsa, and to me, that

922
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:13,519
makes it just a little annoying.

923
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,559
Speaker 3: Every All right, Brett, So we're gonna jump in now

924
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,239
and get to it. So first of all, Jason, is

925
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,119
if five ors at seven and I'll give my quick

926
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,119
thoughts and I'll let you go. Is it five ors

927
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:23,440
at seven?

928
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: Jason?

929
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,039
Speaker 3: Which one you pick? You keep switching? You don't know

930
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,840
you're saying BA you paid seven. Okay, that's first of all,

931
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,960
out of the ballpark, not true. Second off, let's say

932
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,920
it is somewhere between four and five or four to

933
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,719
four point five. I don't know, right, guess and speculating,

934
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,800
don't want to go too far, but it's between that range.

935
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,679
You could probably say, Brett, I think we could. In

936
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,679
the question of day, did by you get its value

937
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,920
on ag de bonds one hundred percent? He did? Oh,

938
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,559
when do we talk about bo On in this national

939
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,760
television never? Uh, guess what you're talking about it even

940
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,280
though you have inaccurate information and you don't know what

941
00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:58,519
name is coming out of your mouth. Jason b.

942
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 5: Yu.

943
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: So it worked, in my opinion, it did even though

944
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,880
BYU was a one and done, even though it didn't

945
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,320
work out, even though it was definitely disappointing. You could

946
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,960
argue just one of the most disappointing seasons in BYU

947
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:14,639
basketball based on talent and resources allocated, and this is

948
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,360
we don't know what the pricing gets, but we've never

949
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,320
seen it like this of experience, like the staffing and

950
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,519
the roster, like all of this collectively is great. You

951
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:24,239
can make you can make that argument, and I can

952
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,079
hear it. But you're talking about aj on the herd

953
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:32,960
in California, the hurd with Colin Coward. I'm gonna be honest, Brett,

954
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,760
I don't give a damn if he's the number two

955
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,639
pick or falls the number three. It's enough because you're

956
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,880
you're discussing it. You're discussing it. You're producer, and I'm

957
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,119
a producer, and Brett, you worked in television and correct

958
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:45,280
me if I'm wrong and tell me to slow down

959
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,360
and run the stop. But you put this on your

960
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,679
rundown or you wanted to discuss this. So obviously it

961
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,079
worked in my opinion, because you wouldn't have been talking

962
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,280
about him last year maybe a little bit depending, but

963
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,199
you only talked about it this year. And that's what

964
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,840
goes to my point point. It was because Kevin Young

965
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,559
got the players, it got the talent. I had chance

966
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,519
for Johnson. On my pregame basketball show, he says, BYU fans,

967
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,159
just be patient's you have to get the talent first

968
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,039
and then everything else comes after that. And that's tough,

969
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,400
and that's not what people want. But you're talking about

970
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,800
the talent, You're talking about the Jegors, you're talking about

971
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,280
people like kJ Perry coming over, you're talking about ajs

972
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,239
the talent. Is everybody going to be a hit? Absolutely not.

973
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,800
The B two experiment was terrible. I don't think it

974
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,159
was good. In my personal opinion, it did not work.

975
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,480
It's tough bringing people from the G League. But even

976
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:33,679
with that B yu, I think with aj you saw

977
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,920
it like Book of Mormon, you know him at church,

978
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,960
like him leading a nation and scoring right his foundation.

979
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,199
This was not a transactional thing. And Brett, that's my

980
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,840
frustration is the national media because BYU's out of the tournament,

981
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,400
that Steven A. Smith's you know, Jason. They're trying to

982
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,960
make it about being transactional, and it's not. I don't

983
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,360
believe that's not who Aja is. Transformation. We heard Steve

984
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,719
Lutz he turned the teammate around, and I need to

985
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,719
figure out who the teammate was. And b why you

986
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,519
might not like that I do that and says shake

987
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,239
his hand, and whether he did it on purpose or not,

988
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,760
like that's who AJ is. Like when you hear who

989
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,679
this kid is, there's nothing that's transactional about this individual.

990
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:14,159
Speaker 2: Okay, So.

991
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 4: A number of people are about to get their feelings

992
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,880
hurt and I'm just gonna let you know beforehand.

993
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:20,599
Speaker 2: I don't care.

994
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: The first person who's gonna get their feelings hurt is

995
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,760
Jason McIntyre. And fun fact, I don't know if you

996
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,199
knew this. I already put out a video on this

997
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,119
whole thing. I did a video over on be Hammer

998
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:32,159
timeshow you can go check it out.

999
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: I check it out.

1000
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 4: Then. Yeah, So issue number one is you don't know

1001
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,039
the number you're throwing around, five to seven million, and

1002
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,639
you're kind of basing your case on did they overpay?

1003
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,320
Here's the issue.

1004
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: The only way you could know.

1005
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 4: If they overpaid is sue if you know what BYU's

1006
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,360
budget is, and you don't, because what you're assuming is

1007
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:01,079
your premise is well by you pay DAYJ five to

1008
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:04,960
seven million dollars, which means they paid basically split three

1009
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,320
million between everybody else, and we don't know that to

1010
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,679
be the case. We don't know any of these numbers.

1011
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,280
We don't know if AJ came for free. I'm not

1012
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,960
saying that he did, but we just like we truly

1013
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,280
don't know. And I'll say this loud and clear, because

1014
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,199
there's a bunch of this going down on Twitter right now.

1015
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:25,079
If someone is telling you nil numbers because fand will

1016
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,639
put one out and a couple other people put him out, Like, oh,

1017
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,480
the five most expensive rosters in college basketball? They don't

1018
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:33,679
know because what the other thing I'll tell you, little

1019
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,480
side tangent is a lot of these numbers get inflated because.

1020
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: Agents are trying to up leverage.

1021
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,079
Speaker 4: They're trying to get another school to pay more for them,

1022
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,679
saying leaking to a reporter, Oh, Kentucky paid so and

1023
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,119
so x and then so Saint John's hopefully comes and

1024
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:50,599
pays that. Like, the numbers that are out there are

1025
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,840
not fully accurate.

1026
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: So anyone who's.

1027
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 4: Going and basing a case based off a number they

1028
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,159
saw on the internet, don't trust that. Now I'm gonna

1029
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:00,960
make a case, but I'm not basing it on numbers

1030
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,159
I saw on the internet. The other issue here is

1031
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:08,519
like NFL numbers are great because you know what percentage

1032
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,320
X player is making, and so you can say, kay, well,

1033
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,559
the salary cap is I think it's like what it's

1034
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:18,039
like one seventy or something like that. You pay Dak fifty,

1035
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:20,599
let's say, so he's making almost a third of your

1036
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:23,159
salary cap. You don't have enough money to go around like,

1037
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,760
then that makes sense. There's no salary cap and you

1038
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,679
don't know what BYU's budget is, so therefore saying did

1039
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,039
they overspend doesn't make any sense. As a pushback to that,

1040
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:36,920
everyone needs to stop being in their feelings about how

1041
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,280
much money BYU spent? Who cares how much money BYU spent?

1042
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Like truly, who cares if if the Neutral Cross and

1043
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,480
the Crump and the Crumble Bros want to pay thirty

1044
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,280
million dollars to Aj demonta, who cares? Everyone needs to

1045
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,239
stop being so sensitive. Oh well, boy, you gets guys

1046
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,960
to come here for basically free. They basically no, they don't.

1047
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: Everyone pays. It's not illegal to pay players.

1048
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:06,039
Speaker 4: So let's stop being so sensitive about, Like, unless there's

1049
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:08,480
breaking news, Ron, I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to

1050
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:12,119
pay players, am I correct? So everyone needs to stop

1051
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:14,960
being sensitive about Oh no, no, no, Aj did not

1052
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:16,679
get that amount of money he came here for free.

1053
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,159
Speaker 2: No he didn't. He's getting paid. He's getting paid market rate.

1054
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,400
Maybe be all you paid the most?

1055
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: Who knows?

1056
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,199
Speaker 2: So that's point number two is that it doesn't really matter.

1057
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: Back to Jason McIntyre one more time, did b YU

1058
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,639
get their value back?

1059
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: Look, I projected to be the number one pick.

1060
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.

1061
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong here, Ron, I'm pretty sure

1062
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:44,400
he's projected to have a high chance of being the

1063
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,239
number one overall pick.

1064
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1065
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 3: It's all changed in the last month and a half

1066
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,400
with DMP not playing.

1067
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,159
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, but either way, he's gonna be one or two.

1068
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,159
I'm pretty sure on that. I wouldn't pay that way down,

1069
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,320
but I'm pretty sure on that. I'm also pretty sure, Ron,

1070
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,000
if memory serves me correct, Pretty sure.

1071
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 2: The guy led the nation and scoring playing in the

1072
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,239
best conference in America? Is that correct? Okay?

1073
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: And then and then I'm also pretty sure that when

1074
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,559
Rob Ritchie and AJ were healthy, they were the highest

1075
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:13,199
scoring trio in college basketball?

1076
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1077
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,039
Speaker 3: Yes? And he was leading that trio?

1078
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, So what in BYU season would you lead

1079
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,320
you to believe they didn't get their value on AJ?

1080
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: There's nothing there now.

1081
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 4: Look, you and I are not sitting here saying by

1082
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,840
you did absolutely everything right, Oh no, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

1083
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,119
Speaker 2: But the point that Jason's making, I'm not sure that

1084
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:37,119
I get on board with.

1085
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 4: But as like, that's kind of what you get when

1086
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,840
you get national guys discussing topics that they haven't talked

1087
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:45,760
a whole lot about.

1088
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: Is I know nothing? All right?

1089
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,679
Speaker 4: They're a little bit out of their element, a little

1090
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,679
bit out of their space. They're a first time in

1091
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,159
and so, and I get not knowing everything. Now, what

1092
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,760
I would say that I feel that Jason is accurate

1093
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,159
on I don't know that it's it's as simple as saying, well,

1094
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:05,280
should they have gotten let's just say the number seven million,

1095
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,559
Well should they have just gotten two three and a

1096
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,760
half million dollar guys instead of one seven million dollar guy?

1097
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1098
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,679
Speaker 4: Who's to say what anybody on this roster is or

1099
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,800
is it making Like who's to say, Richie?

1100
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: Was it making three million dollars? Who's to say? Rob?

1101
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,639
Speaker 4: And again, I don't know any of those numbers. I'm

1102
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,960
just spitballing with the number that Jason gave us. But

1103
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:28,239
like the point being, I don't think it was like

1104
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,840
a money issue. I think the same point that I

1105
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,119
would make with Jason's take is the same take that

1106
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,079
I made yesterday on the show and yesterday on my podcast,

1107
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,639
which is is scouting the issue where like you thought

1108
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,119
somebody was worth a certain dollar amount? Then they played

1109
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,599
and as great a human being as they are, they

1110
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,400
may not have been worth X amount of dollars. So

1111
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:55,599
for all these these national guys to pile on and say,

1112
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:59,639
why do they go to BYU? I get it from

1113
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:02,920
a now national standpoint of Yeah, it sucks that you

1114
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:06,519
all you got bounced in the first round. However, it's

1115
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,159
not like coming into the NCAA tournament, we thought they

1116
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:11,679
were Final four bound, like at that point in this seat,

1117
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,119
I thought it was Yeah, I mean and honestly, I

1118
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,639
I thought one game was quota like one game is

1119
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,199
absolutely a disappoint Yeah, well, let's not pretend like these

1120
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,239
were national AJ was not contending for a national.

1121
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:26,639
Speaker 2: Championship at that point in the season.

1122
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 4: Now starting the season absolutely mid season, sure, but given

1123
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,880
all of the injuries, everything to win down, It's not

1124
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:35,679
like AJ had expectations of a ten and he ended

1125
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,719
up being a three. Individually. I graded him out yesterday.

1126
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,440
I gave him a nine or ten out of ten.

1127
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,559
It's the rest of the team and everyone else that

1128
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:45,760
had some issues where I where I take a little

1129
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,880
bit of a cause for pause.

1130
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: But to Jason McIntyre's point, like.

1131
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 4: There are some things about what he said that is correct,

1132
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,639
which is like there were certain guys on this team

1133
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,400
who didn't pan out yep. But the overarching point that

1134
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:03,079
I want to him back to when stamp is you

1135
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:06,840
don't know the number. So acting like AJ made X

1136
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,039
amount of your salary cap or x amount of your

1137
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:11,800
budget when you don't know any of the numbers, I

1138
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:14,880
just don't think is safe reporting. And there's a way

1139
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,079
to do it without claiming to know the numbers, because

1140
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,360
I just did it for you. The other one though,

1141
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,280
that I really want to hammer home, man I, and

1142
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,159
we may get a text message about this. I don't

1143
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,800
care who cares how much AJ was paid by by

1144
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,559
units owners?

1145
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,039
Speaker 2: Literally who cares?

1146
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,679
Speaker 4: It's not illegal, there's nothing to hide away from. This

1147
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,599
is not ed O walking in the back door with

1148
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,400
the McDonald's bag full of money, Like, it's not illegal

1149
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,079
to pay players, So it's not all BOAU fans willing

1150
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:44,360
to not being sensitive about it. Oh, you don't know,

1151
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,280
who cares. Maybe he made fifteen million. I don't think

1152
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,360
he did, but like, it doesn't matter what the number is.

1153
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,400
But absolutely whatever the number is, AJ definitely got the

1154
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:59,360
investment for BYU back because guess what run you're gonna

1155
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,440
have back? To years of first round picks in the

1156
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,039
NBA draft, which I don't know if that's something BYU

1157
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,440
has ever been able to say. With Bruce Branch coming in,

1158
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,760
you may have three years back to back to back,

1159
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,239
And that's the point that's more important. Like if these

1160
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,320
guys were coming to BYU falling off and not getting

1161
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,719
drafted and their draft sock was falling, then we'd have

1162
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,400
a problem. But Yegor demon that draft pick looks incredible

1163
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,840
since he came into the league. We're guessing aj is

1164
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,400
his draft socks only gonna look better and better once

1165
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,599
he plays his rookie year.

1166
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,639
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have back to back first round picks

1167
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:32,840
in the NBA.

1168
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 4: Then you go on to say maybe Bruce Branch and

1169
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,559
whoever you recruit after that, like you're trying to build

1170
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:41,000
a pattern. It sucks you didn't win a Natty your

1171
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,320
second year as a coach with Kevin Young, But I

1172
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,599
think it'll work itself out.

1173
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: I definitely will. I loved everything that she broke down.

1174
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,079
And look, if we're gonna get a text message about

1175
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:50,440
what she said, then we're definite gonna get a text

1176
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,320
message about what I'm about to say. Well, this and

1177
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,840
this is to the BAU fan base those listening. I

1178
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,280
don't care if you're old school, I don't care if

1179
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,199
you new school. I don't care if you midleage. Get

1180
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,760
over it. Like I'm just gonna tell you right now,

1181
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,880
like it's not illegal to pay players, and I understand

1182
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,159
why to a degree I'm gonna get I'm gonna go

1183
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:06,559
deep into it. But you know, I don't run from

1184
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,800
any conversation. He smoked. There is a problem in our culture,

1185
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,880
in the LDS commotion community. And I'm saying this that

1186
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,800
as a whole in b YU of the need to

1187
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,519
defend byu right now. If you want to say, hey,

1188
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,599
you're false reporting journalistic integrity, I think that's not a problem.

1189
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,639
I don't think there's any issue with that right and

1190
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:24,800
doing it and say hey, it's not it's not right

1191
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,239
to call out. It's not right to say false things

1192
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,840
that are true. But like this need to defend of

1193
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,320
b why you paying this? By you paying that, like

1194
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,480
we do that in this in the culture a lot,

1195
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,719
because oh this makes b YU look bad and the

1196
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,079
pr and not every time things are always done the

1197
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,000
right way and things there have been other issues in

1198
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:43,880
the past and you know whether it's b yu of

1199
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,039
the church and it hasn't gone a correct way. Well

1200
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:50,920
guess what, Oh well, that's life. You can't be perfect, right,

1201
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,039
But I echo the words that Shane Ree said, We're

1202
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,800
not gonna be perfect. Things aren't gonna gonna be that well,

1203
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,360
but we're gonna keep progressing and do the Lord's worked

1204
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,519
the right way. Look, I think that's the issue is

1205
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,239
sometimes people are just so focused on the image itself,

1206
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,920
and you're not focused on the direction you're headed. You're

1207
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,840
worried about every decision that you make. And I'm not

1208
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,679
saying decisions aren't impactful. I'm not saying that they don't matter.

1209
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,920
They do one hundred percent. But I tell this to

1210
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,880
the youth all the time. It's like, are you are

1211
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,880
you more looking at your everyday life decisions and every

1212
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,159
single thing that you make. Are you trying to be

1213
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,400
the best person that you can be at the end

1214
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,800
of the week, at the end of the month, where

1215
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,559
you're the best person that day to your family, to

1216
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,039
your neighbor, Like that's what you're doing. How are you

1217
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:33,760
helping the world grow?

1218
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:34,039
Speaker 5: Like?

1219
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 3: Look at that? And I feel sometimes there's so much

1220
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,199
of that that just gets missed, and I hope people

1221
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:40,840
are understanding and saying what I'm saying. But there's no

1222
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,039
need to get mad and defend and get all upset

1223
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,800
about how much that is being spending. There's no point

1224
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,360
for the national media to report it being wrong. Like, dude,

1225
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,679
that's not it fake news. Like I appreciate what Ben said.

1226
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,280
It was a one liner, fake news. AJ's not making

1227
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,880
seven mil. This is not true. Don't believe everything you

1228
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,239
see on the internet. Something along those lines. Keep it pushing.

1229
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,840
That's just what it is. There's no point to go

1230
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,239
on paragraphs. Take time out of your day and do

1231
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,880
that because guess what, guys, you don't know the number,

1232
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:06,960
and it doesn't matter how much you still tweet. Guess

1233
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,760
what AJ's still cashing their paycheck or what he was paid.

1234
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,360
That's not going away and it ain't going away anytime soon.

1235
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,239
And everyone's getting paid and it's not illegal. And like

1236
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,159
Brett said, those that crumble humble dumble, I don't care

1237
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:21,159
what it is. And those at NEUTRA costs free costs Frost,

1238
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:23,719
cross Jack Frost, whatever they want to do, they can

1239
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,199
keep giving money to BYU and how much and there's

1240
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,760
nothing that anybody can do about it and let it

1241
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,679
be and it's not a problem. And guess what has

1242
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,320
bo you got in his return on investment? Jason McIntyre,

1243
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,519
I think they have a certain coach came up in here,

1244
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,199
number one Juco, number one, high school, number one Euro

1245
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,239
Both those guys about to be in the league. kJ

1246
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,199
Perry's gonna play next year hopefully, right, that's what you wish.

1247
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:48,480
I think he will. We'll see what happens with his

1248
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:50,639
draft stock and what he's able to do. Bruce Branch

1249
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:52,320
is already projected to be a second round pick in

1250
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,400
the twenty twenty seven NBA draft. Three five stars in

1251
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,719
the last three years. Stop playing with me, miss me

1252
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,559
with that bull draft. I'm tired of when people want

1253
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,000
to play. If you want to play with me, I'm

1254
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,119
gonna get you today and today Bread and I ain't

1255
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:04,960
playing games. So just had to call it out in

1256
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,719
that narrative, and that goes for anybody in this market too.

1257
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,880
That's not a shot. Don't be reporting false things that

1258
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,559
you think you know are what you think your buddies

1259
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:14,239
are telling you. Those that know I echo this all

1260
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,440
the time, Brett and I have echoed this before. People

1261
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,760
that have information don't need to tell you that and

1262
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,920
don't need to tweet it. That's what happens. That's all

1263
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,679
I have to say on that. Because when you know information,

1264
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:25,639
you don't have to go to Twitter. You don't have

1265
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:27,880
to put these things out and do clickbait and things

1266
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,119
like that. People know who the real sources are. And

1267
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,760
with that, we need to go to break But but

1268
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,400
first and before we do, I want to tell you

1269
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,920
guys about how you can see a great person. You

1270
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,840
need to see the Wu Tang Claims coming to live

1271
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,599
to Utah's first Credit Union Amphi Theater on September twenty ninth.

1272
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:45,360
That's right, Wu Tang Claim. Don't make your chance to

1273
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,280
see the hip hop legends take the stage again. Listen

1274
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,000
to the ESP and the fan all week at eight

1275
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,000
forty five am you hear me? Tomorrow I'll be on

1276
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Brice to be a new