Speaker 1: You know, Carl, I went to an OGC party right
Speaker 1: not too long ago. It was really positive. A ton
Speaker 1: of guys out there. You know, the group in my
Speaker 1: kind of the city I live in has been begging
Speaker 1: me to show up, and you know, as super Jack
Speaker 1: Hack says, the Draco Owner effect is coming in strong.
Speaker 1: So I haven't been to anything, and it was awesome,
Speaker 1: a ton of guys there. But uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: got some feedback that was initially positive. Said you know.
Speaker 1: The guy was saying like, wow, I really like your show.
Speaker 1: But then he said something that I felt really offended by.
Speaker 1: I think you would be offended by two, and he
Speaker 1: said I think the shows are the best when you
Speaker 1: have nothing planned. And I got really upset, Carl, because
Speaker 1: that implied that you and I do anything less than
Speaker 1: dozens of hours of prep work for these times.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we always discussed the topic that we're gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about in advance.
Speaker 1: We never hastily consider, you know, hey, what are you
Speaker 1: doing next Thursday? Nothing in between. Here's a link three
Speaker 1: minutes before exactly.
Speaker 2: I know I this morning I was thinking about texting
Speaker 2: you what are you thinking about? But then I was like,
Speaker 2: fuck it?
Speaker 1: Which is the unofficial tagline of this show. What are
Speaker 1: you working on, Carl?
Speaker 2: What have I been working on? I am working on
Speaker 2: a screenplay with some people that we know, which I'm
Speaker 2: actually very excited about.
Speaker 1: But I've also.
Speaker 2: Been doing some other nonfiction writing and I am enjoying that
Speaker 2: trying to because you know, I've been putting out a
Speaker 2: lot of pieces on the Spanish Civil War for some
Speaker 2: time on my sub stack, and branching out and talking
Speaker 2: about other things and applying some rigor to it rather
Speaker 2: than it just being like posting right, is a really
Speaker 2: nice mental exercise. I've also been playing with AI, and
Speaker 2: it is the way i'd put it is, I don't
Speaker 2: think the AI apocalypse is here, but I think the
Speaker 2: white collar apocalypse is.
Speaker 1: Here, whether or not.
Speaker 2: It's deservedly so, because AI is good enough that you
Speaker 2: can automate enough things that, like the C suite is like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's cut thirty percent of our staff and
Speaker 2: the remainder get real nimble and you know, synergize those
Speaker 2: efficiencies and.
Speaker 1: Good luck, Karl. Won't the quality of the product decline?
Speaker 2: Who cares about that? It's like, seriously, in the business world,
Speaker 2: my whole career has been automating my way up out
Speaker 2: of a job first, and then taking that technical knowledge
Speaker 2: and applying it at a slightly higher level, while still
Speaker 2: treating the people that do that kind of work like
Speaker 2: with respect and actually understanding what they need, but also
Speaker 2: watching people stop caring about anything other than like the
Speaker 2: ratings and it being up to the guy on the
Speaker 2: front line to just figure it out, Like are your
Speaker 2: clients unhappy? Figure it out? Are you having are you
Speaker 2: not equipped with the tools to and the products that
Speaker 2: are you know, hitting in the way that we that
Speaker 2: we promise Figure it out, spin it And there's an
Speaker 2: element to where that can work for so long. Yes,
Speaker 2: Britney would eighteen ninety six excellent year for semi automatic weapons.
Speaker 2: Private equity buys your company and then it becomes about
Speaker 2: just cutting it to the bone, looking at the Ebadah numbers.
Speaker 2: And it's the period that we're in now is identical
Speaker 2: to the post two thousand and six two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: like it really like the economy really went off a
Speaker 2: cliff in two thousand and eight, where you know, businesses
Speaker 2: operate like modern American businesses are a bust out slash
Speaker 2: like money cycling thing where where cheap money, free money
Speaker 2: basically keep props things up. And the amount of businesses
Speaker 2: out there that have these massive valuations that actually are
Speaker 2: just hemorrhaging money is a major portion of the market.
Speaker 1: It's wild well and and to that point, it's actually
Speaker 1: something I talked about with friend of the show Stormy
Speaker 1: Waters and a show that is up behind the paywall.
Speaker 1: Give me money, but it'll be out to give day money.
Speaker 1: But that was something that you know, prompts that entire
Speaker 1: show as we were talking on the phone. And look,
Speaker 1: I have a finance degree, bout only any about money,
Speaker 1: as should be very apparent to you, carl uh. But
Speaker 1: all in all seriousness, right, One of the things that
Speaker 1: I was talking to him about was one, are have
Speaker 1: we basically been in a recession since eight The way
Speaker 1: that those terms are calculated is constantly changed. The one
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, likely many others will. I was
Speaker 1: in college when Joe Biden and his cronies just redefined
Speaker 1: what a recession was so that they could say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're not in a recession. And you can look at
Speaker 1: that and say, oh, Joe Biden said, you know a
Speaker 1: dastardly irishman, which is true, or you can look at
Speaker 1: it and say, wait a minute, if we've done this once,
Speaker 1: have we ever done it before?
Speaker 2: I was about to say that, like, is I not
Speaker 2: only Joe biden Man's but many many Republican uh you know,
Speaker 2: many Republican There's there's this whole switchereroo that the parties
Speaker 2: do on a regular basis where you know, one party
Speaker 2: basically wears out it's welcome, and then the other party
Speaker 2: comes in and then they do the same stuff, but
Speaker 2: they spin it into like just the right way.
Speaker 1: I was, can you think of one relevant example from
Speaker 1: recent weeks?
Speaker 2: Golly, you know it's funny because I was, I'm working
Speaker 2: on this piece that I mentioned to you before, where
Speaker 2: like gun control, a gun control timeline where things transitioned
Speaker 2: from being like managed on the municipal and state level
Speaker 2: and a lot of it basically being like European lore,
Speaker 2: which is like as like you know, scumback eggs who
Speaker 2: are carrying weapons get cop weapons charges and you can
Speaker 2: crack them in the head and just like throw them
Speaker 2: in a dungeon or execute them. And then also like
Speaker 2: people who aren't white can't have guns unless like the
Speaker 2: state says it's okay, like that's that's literally European law
Speaker 2: for thousands of years, and that's pretty much like much
Speaker 2: of the world at at a certain level of development.
Speaker 2: And then and then you have these federal innovations where
Speaker 2: the frankly major traction for federal gun control came under
Speaker 2: Republican leadership, specifically Reagan and Bush Senior. So anyway, my
Speaker 2: point being, it's the it's the old switcheroo, and uh
Speaker 2: the if you examined the redefining of terms and the
Speaker 2: recalculation of terms, you know, like cost of living index
Speaker 2: is another good one where they're like cost of living
Speaker 2: doesn't involve food, but it does involve big screen TVs.
Speaker 1: It doesn't involve energy, housing, medical, correct, you know, just
Speaker 1: those like ancillary details of your life.
Speaker 2: My minor, minor things. It's so like if if mister
Speaker 2: Burden was enthroned as our emperor, I cost of living
Speaker 2: index would be like secondhand weapons and weapon accessories would
Speaker 2: be like the top level things.
Speaker 1: Slightly intoxicated gun broker purchases would be your indication of inflation.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, in all seriousness, but to that point about
Speaker 1: you know, obviously going back to your point about you know,
Speaker 1: companies in private equity. One of the other questions that's
Speaker 1: sort of a knock on from that is how much
Speaker 1: of this growth in indexes like the S and P
Speaker 1: five hundred, the market writ large is basically just currency debasement,
Speaker 1: basically just inflation, because again with cost of living, inflation
Speaker 1: is hidden. You know, if you look at the shadow stats, right,
Speaker 1: the rate for the last couple of years comes up
Speaker 1: to twelve to fifteen percent, and you think about it,
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that's above the market rate. So if
Speaker 1: you actually think about it, it's like, well, yeah, sure
Speaker 1: your money is in the market and it might be
Speaker 1: doing well. But if you compare that to actual functional inflation,
Speaker 1: the math changes. And similarly as regards to companies, right, well,
Speaker 1: your compensation, as you and I have gone into before,
Speaker 1: is heavily dependent on stock price. And so if you're
Speaker 1: already riding the wave of just basic inflation and then
Speaker 1: can throw in some kind of short term cost cutting,
Speaker 1: or your stock price can on paper explode while not
Speaker 1: actually doing anything to benefit the company itself. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the big stories of in the last several weeks,
Speaker 1: and it's been a while since we've you know, talked
Speaker 1: to Carl, is you know, the massive tech offshoring, right,
Speaker 1: companies like Amazon and Google laying off over ten thousand
Speaker 1: workers apiece and employing tens of thousands in mostly India.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, yes, is there a you know, shall
Speaker 1: we say ethno sectarian component to that. I will leave
Speaker 1: my viewers to decide. But also and they'll all say yes, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: But also right, we understand that that is a cost
Speaker 1: saving measure. You don't have to pay benefits to these people.
Speaker 1: You don't have to pay them, you know, as the
Speaker 1: socialists say a livable wage in America, you can you know,
Speaker 1: hire these people at three to one. And does it
Speaker 1: make the product worst? Sure? Well, does it make the
Speaker 1: product worse in a fast enough time span for the
Speaker 1: people sitting at the top to care about it? Exactly? No,
Speaker 1: clearly not.
Speaker 2: And you know, on top of that, I have this, uh,
Speaker 2: I have this theory of of how this AI bubble
Speaker 2: is going to play out. And I must admit that
Speaker 2: it's based on my experience in the in the business world,
Speaker 2: servicing Fortune one hundred companies, uh, you know, servicing them
Speaker 2: in however however you want to interpret that term. It
Speaker 2: feels like sometimes this is a this is a highly
Speaker 2: planed tactical stream. We are going to be using hand
Speaker 2: planers wooden blocks with pieces of sharpened iron in it
Speaker 2: to plane things by by the time this this bubble bursts.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, Uh, the way that things in the past
Speaker 2: have worked, and I've seen continuously, is that.
Speaker 1: The any any.
Speaker 2: Sort of efficiencies introduced by soft where which are extensive.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, let me give it. Let me give
Speaker 2: an illustration. When my father was twenty four years old
Speaker 2: working as an accountant at a big firm, they put
Speaker 2: you through like an eighteen month to two year like grind,
Speaker 2: and those who survive can work for them. He had
Speaker 2: a secretary doing entry level work because he needed to
Speaker 2: focus on the work. She would handle correspondents and you know,
Speaker 2: all the like little logistical things.
Speaker 1: And then by the.
Speaker 2: Time he retired owning a pretty good sized business, don't
Speaker 2: docs me or anything, he shared a secretary with four
Speaker 2: other executives under him and his company. He had a
Speaker 2: co owner and then two other guys who are pretty important.
Speaker 2: They all shared one secret terry because software made things
Speaker 2: so efficient that they they literally didn't need an extra
Speaker 2: you know, mouth sitting there. Basically, you know, someone to
Speaker 2: pay a big salary to and benefits to because there
Speaker 2: just wasn't enough work. So it's it's really interesting because
Speaker 2: you know, and and again like I said, I've kind
Speaker 2: of I've automated my way out of work, and a
Speaker 2: lot of the grunt work that I used to do
Speaker 2: very manually is something that like tools that the company subscribe,
Speaker 2: you know, subscribes to with X number of accounts, having
Speaker 2: access to it on an annual basis is pretty efficient
Speaker 2: and gets around a lot of this automated work that
Speaker 2: you have to do.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: The ability to set up little AI agents and I'll
Speaker 2: put a little asterisk here and we'll come back to
Speaker 2: it is good enough for a lot of kinds of
Speaker 2: things that I that there's this mania, there's been a
Speaker 2: mania for eight to ten years in business that AI
Speaker 2: is coming and AI is going to automate XYZ. Well,
Speaker 2: it only automates like rote work, but it can streamline
Speaker 2: and simplify your access to what's really important. And so
Speaker 2: you hit this equation where people need decompression time while
Speaker 2: doing work, while doing intense work, and then going to
Speaker 2: meetings which hopefully are actually doing things Unlike you know,
Speaker 2: most executives now where it seems like their job is
Speaker 2: putting people in meetings and wasting their time so they
Speaker 2: can't get work done. But anyway, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: things that you can make more efficient. But then the
Speaker 2: burnout comes, because if anyone has worked in a high churn,
Speaker 2: high volume kind of job of any kind that's very
Speaker 2: manual and stuff, people burn out brutally and like in
Speaker 2: there were industries I worked in where the average person
Speaker 2: lasted twelve to eighteen months and if I stuck it
Speaker 2: out long enough that and I was completely fried. But
Speaker 2: it was good for me to learn that discipline. Yes,
Speaker 2: the burnout do be like that. It was good to
Speaker 2: learn that because it gives you a lot of perspective
Speaker 2: and it gives you the appropriate like emotional detachment to
Speaker 2: where you can separate like this is just the job,
Speaker 2: and this is something I should be upset about. Right,
Speaker 2: So by making people more efficient in these white collar jobs,
Speaker 2: we're already at a situation where the average person is
Speaker 2: like bringing work home with them. They have the stupid
Speaker 2: device attached to them at all times. Bosses. You know,
Speaker 2: I had a situation where I had someone complaining that
Speaker 2: I wasn't responding to emails at ten am on Sunday
Speaker 2: that were being sent by a client at nine am
Speaker 2: on Sunday morning because I was in church with my family,
Speaker 2: and the homosexual was like, you know, you really should
Speaker 2: be paying closer attention to taking care of our client
Speaker 2: and making them feel serviced. And yes, so people like
Speaker 2: that world is going to become so incredibly disgruntled. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, again because of outsourcing, because of automation,
Speaker 2: because of frankly, things that get rid of, like good workers.
Speaker 2: People are just happy to have a job, and a
Speaker 2: lot of the like fake jobs that we saw introduced
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty in twenty twenty one for you know,
Speaker 2: special classifications of people. A lot of that stuff is
Speaker 2: frankly going away out of necessity, but there's still room
Speaker 2: for it in certain kinds of organizational structures. A lot
Speaker 2: of the nonsense is going away, but their businesses are
Speaker 2: like really embracing this really silly culty vibe to try
Speaker 2: to keep people there and engaged.
Speaker 1: So my to that point, Carl the sort of infamous
Speaker 1: quote that I stole from one of my friends, and
Speaker 1: he says, you know, this is basically repeated like a
Speaker 1: mantra is well, we're not doing well, we're doing good,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, completely shifted, yes, completely shifting, Yes, the
Speaker 1: sort of you know, goalposts. And one of the interesting
Speaker 1: things that he brings up is that especially in kind
Speaker 1: of non core areas, right, you know, areas of the
Speaker 1: country that aren't you know, New York, LA, what have it,
Speaker 1: that the corporate world is kind of behind the times,
Speaker 1: especially in these small to mid sized companies. So they
Speaker 1: are still going through kind of woke classic two or
Speaker 1: three years past the sell by date.
Speaker 2: And religious religious institutions do this as well, and conservative
Speaker 2: coded institutions are in the same cycle.
Speaker 1: Sorry, please go on, oh, one hundred percent. And you
Speaker 1: see this with and and you know, I'm not a
Speaker 1: Southern Baptist, but you see this with the guys you
Speaker 1: know talking about what's going on at the SBC or
Speaker 1: any of these other kind of evangelic organizations, that they
Speaker 1: are going through what the corporate world did five ten
Speaker 1: years ago. Uh, it's it's on a delay, right, even
Speaker 1: with you know, the Internet expediting that process. But to
Speaker 1: your to your point about AI, you know, I still
Speaker 1: have some contacts in the healthcare world. I spent some
Speaker 1: time there, and you know, one of the things that
Speaker 1: has become really endemic there is you know, the replacement
Speaker 1: of a lot of you know, patient facing roles. Yes.
Speaker 1: For instance, you know what we would kind of derogatory
Speaker 1: refer to as like the window witches, right, the people
Speaker 1: who sit behind the glass and tell you where to go.
Speaker 1: But right now, that is in a you know, auxiliary role. Right,
Speaker 1: there's an iPad and you you know, use the little
Speaker 1: a chatbot to sign in. But we all know where
Speaker 1: that's going, right, And look, I'm not going to pretend
Speaker 1: that you know, ladies who work at hospital front desks
Speaker 1: are you know, the cornerstone of the economy. But that
Speaker 1: is a job, right, and you see where that's going.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well I can track this. And again,
Speaker 1: you know, what does your eighty five year old grandmother
Speaker 1: do with an ipades? Indeterminate exactly. That's not the real purpose,
Speaker 1: you know, from kind of the top down on that.
Speaker 1: And one of the interesting things, Carl that I'm kind
Speaker 1: of curious to watch, and this came up in my
Speaker 1: conversation with Peter Burtelow, but also my article at Chronicles,
Speaker 1: which you can read. I'll drop excellent plugs.
Speaker 2: By the way, sir, Yeah, look at that professional podcaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and most of the time when I say that,
Speaker 1: it's because I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: unmute my mic. But was one of the things that
Speaker 1: I've been sort of wondering about is the the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, immigration, migrant workers and offshoring has up until
Speaker 1: relatively recently, primarily been a problem for dirty, stinky people.
Speaker 1: We don't like speaking, of course, as the kind of
Speaker 1: you know, coastal, ely liberal.
Speaker 2: And software engineers who are dirty, stinky people we don't
Speaker 2: like parting. Yeah, the c suite hates software developers. They really,
Speaker 2: it's really, it's really insane anyway.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you know, Javier Olivia, I think that this is
Speaker 1: a good point. You know, it used to be you
Speaker 1: would work, get a divorce, and then a heart attack
Speaker 1: and crash out by fifty. They're taking our American birthright
Speaker 1: to expect end to yourself in pursuit of an ultimately
Speaker 1: meaningless career, and that will not stand. Uh where was
Speaker 1: I before? Yeah, But one of the things that I've
Speaker 1: been curious about is as that sort of goes up
Speaker 1: the economic chain, you know, we're starting to see this
Speaker 1: hit the kind of laptop class jobs. As you know,
Speaker 1: these sort of you know, H one B and other
Speaker 1: pieces are applied more and more broadly. I'm curious if
Speaker 1: that demographic will move in their own economic interest or
Speaker 1: if the kind of ideological connection to progress platitudes on
Speaker 1: immigration are sort of buried too deep. Do you have
Speaker 1: a thought on that, Carl.
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, it's it's kind of hard to
Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to know exactly how to respond
Speaker 2: to that, because there's a We're going to see a
Speaker 2: very interesting juggling act of all these things because frankly,
Speaker 2: the the conditions that were under don't really they require
Speaker 2: a pivot in all of their you know, framing of
Speaker 2: these things that they're doing to us. And frankly, a
Speaker 2: lot of business leaders have been struggling with this themselves.
Speaker 2: Like you know, if you look at the the Silicon
Speaker 2: Valley guys who threw in behind Trump when they realized
Speaker 2: the shift and the coalitions, they were like, we need
Speaker 2: to really do something because we are finally getting screwed
Speaker 2: to it is. It is the the the irreconcilable contradictions
Speaker 2: in the way this stuff has been you know, percolating
Speaker 2: or hitting us now and keeping us from doing our thing,
Speaker 2: and that one of the problems that we have out
Speaker 2: here in prol Land is that there are a lot
Speaker 2: of memes in the kind of like i'll say, quote
Speaker 2: unquote dissidence space, but it's really the uh, it's really
Speaker 2: the highly intelligent yet uh basically you know, shoved aside
Speaker 2: white guy, competent, white guy world. And and there's there's
Speaker 2: some like incompetent people in this that this applies to
Speaker 2: as well, but generally like there's a there's a there
Speaker 2: is an underlying rage, as Britney Wood points out again,
Speaker 2: that that is percolating out there, and and a lot
Speaker 2: of it was really fundamentally incorrect in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways about presuppositions or they're they're direct they were directionally correct,
Speaker 2: but a lot of the details are wrong as far
Speaker 2: as like who's the one keeping you down? And people
Speaker 2: consuming like the easily available propaganda spin associated with that,
Speaker 2: like you know, it was like the Rockefellers and all
Speaker 2: those guys. You know that there's this really there's this
Speaker 2: muddled perspective on reality that in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: there's good points to it, but it becomes confused because
Speaker 2: of just people being angry, frankly, and so as we
Speaker 2: sort through all of these things and get directional and
Speaker 2: realize that part of the problem is our individualistic attitudes
Speaker 2: and our non nationalist attitudes. Although there's fair debates to
Speaker 2: be had about how natural America is, you know, it's
Speaker 2: given its empiric form rather than really national form. Maybe
Speaker 2: although that could, we don't know how that's really going
Speaker 2: to play out. It makes it a really interesting thing
Speaker 2: because everyone has to shift their talking points based on
Speaker 2: the conditions on the ground right now and the changes
Speaker 2: and you you really do have to appeal to people
Speaker 2: who could theoretically like do the thing to you. And
Speaker 2: that's becoming like a plurality of America at this point
Speaker 2: in time because everyone has been told like, screw you,
Speaker 2: you don't matter. Well, little you know, Italian guys in
Speaker 2: green hats appearing in the dark in New York City
Speaker 2: and then disappearing again can become full heroes in more
Speaker 2: ways than one, because you know, there's much ruin in
Speaker 2: a nation.
Speaker 1: So carl slight change the subject. When I went to
Speaker 1: grab the link that chronicles piece comment section mostly very positive,
Speaker 1: one negative piece rather negative one. You know, my opinion
Speaker 1: on you know, the GOP's futile efforts to reaching out
Speaker 1: towards immigrants, minorities, and full name. I just decided let
Speaker 1: me google the name. Who could have guessed? I'll leave
Speaker 1: it to that. Who could have.
Speaker 2: Many such cases? Did you look at a purse, a
Speaker 2: picture of them or the early life? No?
Speaker 1: I just went to u ancestry dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you I mean? I know I can
Speaker 2: I can tell just by looking at that name.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, Carl, I try to be a good,
Speaker 1: good liberal.
Speaker 2: He gave me the benefit of the doubt. You you
Speaker 2: said I want to be I want to be sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: A true camp A true camper doesn't even have to
Speaker 2: consult that information. Uh, I see, I see uh Tyson
Speaker 2: Hockley and chat. We do have an episode scheduled. I'm
Speaker 2: excited to get him.
Speaker 1: Oh nice. Yeah, yeah, the uh this has been I
Speaker 1: don't ever intend uh to have themes right when I
Speaker 1: when I do, like weeks of program, but like the
Speaker 1: last two weeks have just turned into the the UK
Speaker 1: and Canada just back to back with more on the
Speaker 1: way anyway, point being uh, yeah, it's I think that
Speaker 1: that's a very that matches up with what I've what
Speaker 1: I have sort of anecdotally seen, and you see every
Speaker 1: couple of weeks there's sort of this continual dialogue of
Speaker 1: you know, I shouldlways say Hindu nationalist type you know, blaming,
Speaker 1: uh you know, Pakistan disinformation Uh, you know retired YouTube
Speaker 1: star qud Pie for you know, normalizing uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a negative opinion of you know, his nation. And I
Speaker 1: think what's interesting is that, you know, almost invariably there's
Speaker 1: the you know, the quote tweet dunk that's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not yet. You guys just started showing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And honestly, like, to me, the the first I really heard, like,
Speaker 1: you know, anything really about India at all other than
Speaker 1: just to like, you know, nations of the world kind
Speaker 1: of thing, uh was you know the Bobs and Jean saga,
Speaker 1: which was very very early, you know, back in the
Speaker 1: days where Facebook was still relevant. Yeah. It was you know,
Speaker 1: just the most insane, illiterate sexual aggression, which, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: very very funny, uh open cloth you know show show
Speaker 1: Bobs like it was pretty funny, but you know, the
Speaker 1: idea that this is just simply some sort of like
Speaker 1: you know, psyop campaign, right, I think is completely and
Speaker 1: totally inaccurate. And to that point, even in you know,
Speaker 1: shall we say kind of like genteel progressive settings, uh,
Speaker 1: you see those ideas, uh, due to cultural differences, I'll
Speaker 1: put it that way. And I'm curious to see how
Speaker 1: that develops, especially as the the kind of consequences of
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the kind of open marketplace of
Speaker 1: labor continue to be felt kind of up and down
Speaker 1: the the socioeconomic ladder. Point for another stream perhaps, But Corey,
Speaker 1: you have written a pretty interesting article, which admittedly you
Speaker 1: sent at roughly three am my time, so I haven't
Speaker 1: had a chance to go through it because I am
Speaker 1: an old man and go to bed promptly at nine
Speaker 1: to fifty five. But point is right. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: interesting idea, and obviously you know you're putting it out
Speaker 1: for publication. I'm not asking you to go through it.
Speaker 1: But in my state, apparently New Mexico, you know a
Speaker 1: few others, right, gun control is on the table again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know you and I were even talking about
Speaker 1: it before we before we got going. This is in
Speaker 1: the last episode we had with Artic Wolf.
Speaker 2: You know, he was inspired by our conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I'm curious if you could, you know,
Speaker 1: not trying to get you to spoil the article, but
Speaker 1: could you describe like your thought process and you know
Speaker 1: what you you took away from that last conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So to summarize I as as much as I
Speaker 2: talk about subjects that are very negative, uh like, and
Speaker 2: you have to understand that these things are negative. I
Speaker 2: try to be the white pill guy, like we're in
Speaker 2: a mutual group chat where I'm almost inevitably the like,
Speaker 2: but think about it this way, they're screwing themselves and
Speaker 2: that's what's good. I always try to spin it that way.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean like that dark times aren't a head.
Speaker 2: I'm just very confident, and frankly, a huge amount of
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 2: This is gonna sound insane, but my religious faith allows
Speaker 2: me to put things into perspective on a very long timeline,
Speaker 2: and I become very fatalistic about theme things. And maybe
Speaker 2: I've read Dune too many times, but like you, when
Speaker 2: you see a trend that is inevitable, it doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense to fixate on it and and be like, oh
Speaker 2: whoe is me. There's there's this line from the Hagaqua,
Speaker 2: which is Japanese. And yes, I have I have weebish tendencies,
Speaker 2: but but there's great wisdom in it. And and it
Speaker 2: fits into the Christian ethos as well, which is you're
Speaker 2: walking through a town and there's a rainstorm. The man
Speaker 2: who like ducks in and out of under the eaves
Speaker 2: of houses to like try not to get wet as
Speaker 2: much or to avoid getting wet, still gets just as
Speaker 2: soaked as the man who walks right down the middle
Speaker 2: of the road, you know, on a long enough timeline, right,
Speaker 2: So like, if you're standing under the eaves of a
Speaker 2: house and it's raining, you're fine. But if you're walking
Speaker 2: along the road, you're gonna get soaking wet no matter what.
Speaker 2: But you will become, uh, you will become perplexed. If
Speaker 2: you're trying not to get wet. It's it's you. If
Speaker 2: you resolve yourself and you accept that you're going to
Speaker 2: get wet, you're fine. And uh, Carl Doll is all
Speaker 2: about getting wet anyway.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: So my point is, my point is gun control is this,
Speaker 2: and and the legal the the the legal regulatory world
Speaker 2: of things. Uh, yes they're real. Yes, they're a consideration.
Speaker 2: But what really matters is what these things are for.
Speaker 2: And this isn't a hobby where dumping you know, mag
Speaker 2: dumping at nine hundred rpm into a hillside, while fun
Speaker 2: is like the purpose of these devices, right, the second
Speaker 2: Amendment isn't a hobby or a lifestyle, which is something
Speaker 2: that you see all the time online. And it's insane
Speaker 2: to think that you need and don't misinterpret my words,
Speaker 2: but if you have a functioning ar fifteen thirty thirty
Speaker 2: round magazines a bunch of twenties because they're handy and
Speaker 2: parts and load out like, you're pretty good to go,
Speaker 2: and so you should just train with that weapon. And
Speaker 2: so it's not the end of the world to be
Speaker 2: grandfathered in when a state restriction is put in place. Also,
Speaker 2: state level restrictions really on a long enough timeline are
Speaker 2: not that big of a deal, you know, like the
Speaker 2: people and I'm not saying you shouldn't fight it, of
Speaker 2: course you should fight it in more ways than one,
Speaker 2: but lawfully legally. But like, given the trend line as
Speaker 2: to where we are in America twenty twenty six and
Speaker 2: what the future holds for us, like this is not
Speaker 2: the time to panic and move to Arizona so that
Speaker 2: you can stay inside a house that you only leave
Speaker 2: because you have air conditioning. And then three months out
Speaker 2: of the year, you pat yourself on the back for
Speaker 2: your low tax rate and mag dump you know, Folato
Speaker 2: into into a dirt berm in the desert. Like it's
Speaker 2: insane that this defeatist mentality of running away and accepting
Speaker 2: your fate. You knows as you're defeated, but you pat
Speaker 2: yourself on the back for your freedoms in a state
Speaker 2: that is like rapidly becoming Mexican. That running away you
Speaker 2: will not survive and your your children and grandchildren will
Speaker 2: not survive with a running away way mentality. You have
Speaker 2: to confront this stuff and the time for that, uh
Speaker 2: is coming. And on the federal level, the deregulations are
Speaker 2: coming hot and heavy, and a lot of it is
Speaker 2: basically inevitable from nullification. Yes, lots of widows selling millsyrup
Speaker 2: in Arizona, that's true by them. There's I'm not saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, Like you shouldn't take advantage of
Speaker 2: the fact that that boomers with you know, massive gun
Speaker 2: collections dying, you know, isn't something that you can avail
Speaker 2: yourself of that. The the boomer amassing of these great
Speaker 2: things and the skyrocketing and these prices is being countered
Speaker 2: by boomer attrition, general lack of money out there anyway,
Speaker 2: and gluts of these weapons like World War two stuff.
Speaker 2: It for example, is coming down in price in reality
Speaker 2: when people actually want to sell stuff, like if you're
Speaker 2: buying it from like a specialty website, that their price
Speaker 2: is skyrocket. But you can get stuff out there. And
Speaker 2: then as the boomers die off, as the people with
Speaker 2: massive disposable incomes die off, they're not being replaced by
Speaker 2: people with massive disposable incomes. And nearly the numbers that
Speaker 2: you're used to. Ten years from now, you're going to
Speaker 2: be able to get an M one carbon or a
Speaker 2: grand right. Yes, you can buy thermal imaging and night
Speaker 2: vision in Virginia. You can buy level floor four plates,
Speaker 2: get multi curve. Single curve like works on paper, but
Speaker 2: it gets very uncomfortable. Trust me, you're gonna want multi curve.
Speaker 2: You can get all all the stuff that you need.
Speaker 2: And then and you have enough to defend yourself individually
Speaker 2: and collectively. And the important thing here is that the
Speaker 2: only way we win and advance against these incursions against
Speaker 2: us by our enemies is by asserting our historic rights,
Speaker 2: which is not because there's a piece of paper, it's
Speaker 2: because we because we say so, and we back it
Speaker 2: up and ten years from now, like some thing some
Speaker 2: libtard says, you know, and has a piece of paper
Speaker 2: that like a Bangladeshi can can take away your your
Speaker 2: European rights to arms as an individual. Like people will
Speaker 2: be laughing about that with their feed up on like
Speaker 2: structures made of human skulls like I. It's it's completely
Speaker 2: saying that people think that twenty twenty six is nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two. We saw if you go back to nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty one, there was almost no on paper legal carry
Speaker 2: permits issued with outside of like friends of the cops
Speaker 2: and the elites around the whole country. However, regular people
Speaker 2: were carrying guns all the time and it wasn't a problem.
Speaker 2: The police would generally be like, we're going to enforce
Speaker 2: it against like the problems, and you would have some
Speaker 2: sort of positive defense like oh, well you're a business
Speaker 2: owner and you were carrying a lot of money and
Speaker 2: you were on your way to your business. Whatever. They
Speaker 2: would make allowances for people, but then because everyone has
Speaker 2: equal rights, they had to start enforcing the law, and immediately,
Speaker 2: shallice you carry became a thing. Washington State was the
Speaker 2: first state in America in nineteen sixty one to adopt
Speaker 2: shall issue carry laws, so they required that if you
Speaker 2: were not a felon and you weren't a problem, they
Speaker 2: had to issue you a carry permit when you requested
Speaker 2: one and paid for one, and there was no test
Speaker 2: or anything like that. And now we have and Texas,
Speaker 2: the wonderful state of Texas that everyone thinks is so based,
Speaker 2: didn't have concealed carry laws until nineteen ninety five, like
Speaker 2: it was in the eighties and nineties when things really
Speaker 2: shifted to where the South had shall issue carry laws.
Speaker 2: And now all these places have constitutional carry right, which is,
Speaker 2: if you're not Don Quavius, you can carry. You can
Speaker 2: go strapped, concealed carried, or open carry. You should probably
Speaker 2: concealed carrie, but you should also not care if people
Speaker 2: know you're armed. There's a difference between that and open carry.
Speaker 2: So these trends shift all the time. The NFA, like
Speaker 2: huge portions of the NFA are basically going to be
Speaker 2: gone forever on the federal level because one, people introduce
Speaker 2: devices which basically used federal equal protection laws to make
Speaker 2: short bailed rifles and short bailed shotguns like those laws
Speaker 2: almost basically unenforceable, and so legislators said this is nonsense
Speaker 2: atf basically agreed, and now you have short bailed rifles
Speaker 2: and short barreled shotguns with no tax on a tax law,
Speaker 2: which means it's going to get thrown out probably within
Speaker 2: a year, and so you're welcome suppressors. Also, suppressors make
Speaker 2: a lot of sense. They're a safety to device, et cetera.
Speaker 2: This is a back end legalization of and deregulation of suppressors.
Speaker 2: So on the federal level, the Feds are being swamped
Speaker 2: by technologies. Here's another one, forcedryset triggers and super safeties.
Speaker 2: They technically, because of the way they're constructed and their
Speaker 2: mechanisms function in compliance with or or in such a
Speaker 2: fashion that they pass muster at the federal level as
Speaker 2: being semi automatic and not a machine gun, right, but
Speaker 2: they have highly semi automatic function. They're fully semi automatic, right,
Speaker 2: and so that is essentially protected thoroughly at the federal level,
Speaker 2: which means there's another challenge to the NFA right there,
Speaker 2: just sitting there, pulsating in front of us, Like, what's
Speaker 2: the real difference. So these things are happening on the
Speaker 2: federal level because the scaffolding of legal restrictions that were
Speaker 2: imposed upon us during the twentieth century don't really pass
Speaker 2: muster logically, coherently, constitutionally, and historically. So those are going away.
Speaker 2: So you have state laws and the libtards are like, well,
Speaker 2: we can do anything because we're just gonna shove it
Speaker 2: down your throat because we you know, we gerrymander and
Speaker 2: do X y Z till we own you forever. Is
Speaker 2: that going to continue? I'm pretty skeptical. Is it gonna
Speaker 2: It can continue for a while, but is it going
Speaker 2: to continue past the point of like the thing that's
Speaker 2: looming ahead of us?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Probably not. So don't despair. Stack the stuff that you
Speaker 2: need first and take care of it in a logically
Speaker 2: coherent way. My article is about that. But it's also
Speaker 2: not the end of the world. If you're stuck with
Speaker 2: like semi automatic shotguns that don't have pistol grips. Those
Speaker 2: are incredible weapons for blowing holes in people. They're basically
Speaker 2: the best ever law enforcement has been using semi automatic
Speaker 2: shotguns cut down with extended magazine tubes since nineteen hundred.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of things that you should
Speaker 2: really not worry that much about in terms of the
Speaker 2: general trends, but most importantly assert yourself and yes, proliferation
Speaker 2: is the real second amendment. Like this runaway, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go retire and live in Texas because Texas is
Speaker 2: so wonderful. Give me a break like that, This mentality
Speaker 2: is all wrong. We need to start. We need to
Speaker 2: start to think about nullification, clustering in our zones, reinforcing
Speaker 2: each other, establishing parallel institutions, and resisting these things as collectives.
Speaker 2: And this gets us going. This gets us, This just
Speaker 2: helps get us started. And frankly, these economic indicators get
Speaker 2: us started in that because what makes you dependent on
Speaker 2: the system is being dependent on those good boy points
Speaker 2: from these jobs that are going away. AI empowers you
Speaker 2: as an individual to have capabilities finally, like barely right now,
Speaker 2: like I'm starting to be I'm starting to believe. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: this is actually really useful to me as an individual.
Speaker 2: I'm using AI for stuff that it couldn't do a
Speaker 2: month ago. That is streamlining my productivity in certain projects
Speaker 2: that I have, and.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: And so by using these things like smart intelligent people,
Speaker 2: we have to separate ourselves from our dependence on this
Speaker 2: system and reassert ourselves by establishing our own systems lawfully, legally,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so several things there. One, even if you are
Speaker 1: heavily behind enemy lines with nothing to your name, right,
Speaker 1: to be honest, you can do way worse than a
Speaker 1: CMPM one grand. Yes, okay, it's a little long, but
Speaker 1: they're they're quite shootable, and to be perfectly honest, like
Speaker 1: you can you can do a lot with that. But
Speaker 1: I'm highlighting this comment from Josh Pulver, and I'm not
Speaker 1: jumping on this guy. I think that this is a common, yes,
Speaker 1: a common objection. Right. The problem is we can only
Speaker 1: have small arms. What is allowed to civilians is basically
Speaker 1: World War one small arms tech with some extra lights
Speaker 1: and lasers. We don't stand a chance against air sea capabilities.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, one hundred percent, right. But this whole
Speaker 1: like resisting tyranny frame, you know that this whole kind
Speaker 1: of seventeen seventy six frame, in my mind, is completely
Speaker 1: and totally the wrong way to look at it. Yes,
Speaker 1: friend of the show Andrew Edwards wrote a really interesting novel,
Speaker 1: King of Dogs, and he's obviously a very capable tracker
Speaker 1: survivalist type himself. That's probably a slur, but he's a
Speaker 1: capable guy. So the technical aspects of it are quite good.
Speaker 1: Albeit it was sort of written before drones, so there's
Speaker 1: some stuff missing there. But what he's basically talking about
Speaker 1: is not some sort of like you know, great rise
Speaker 1: up rebellion, but basically sort of the South Africa situation.
Speaker 1: You know, where things just get way worse. You know
Speaker 1: that there's still technically a government. There are still you know,
Speaker 1: big corporations and PMCs and criminal gangs, but a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff there just isn't much rule of law. And
Speaker 1: so if you look at a place like South Africa,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, okay, like those guys have on paper
Speaker 1: about the same gun law as we do. Yeah, are
Speaker 1: those enforced?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But is that a useful thing to have for obvious reasons, right,
Speaker 1: it is a dangerous place to be. Your physical security
Speaker 1: is your own responsibility, and the physical security of your
Speaker 1: community is your own responsibility. You saw this five years ago.
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of I think they called them
Speaker 1: like the taxi cab riots. I can't remember. I talked
Speaker 1: to South Africans enough, but a garbage on their histories.
Speaker 1: They can all tell you. But when these big riots
Speaker 1: were happening, the colored community, which is not a slur,
Speaker 1: it's an actual ethnic group there, basically had their roof
Speaker 1: Korean moment. And okay, sure there's more of a government
Speaker 1: there in South Africa than there could be in you
Speaker 1: know a place like Somalia or Libya. But those guys
Speaker 1: didn't get prosecuted. There's not really a way to get
Speaker 1: it prosecuted.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Their businesses didn't get burnt down. And okay, yeah, if
Speaker 1: the rioters had had you know, offshore naval assets, they'd
Speaker 1: be screwed. But that's not really the situation they're in.
Speaker 1: And I see Sean Wyland talking about, you know, the
Speaker 1: mindset that you see among certain you know, gun tubers,
Speaker 1: like you know, brass facts and hop who I've spoken
Speaker 1: to before, the prepared citizen. And you know, I may
Speaker 1: have differences in you know, belief for framing with those
Speaker 1: two guys, but I think that is an acceptable, like
Speaker 1: a good way to look at it, which is like,
Speaker 1: look you're not trying to fight the fence. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: do that. It's illegal. But also like, yeah, one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: like they have predator druns, right, they can send a
Speaker 1: group of you know, uh, you know, you know, FBI
Speaker 1: HR three to kick down your door and turn you
Speaker 1: into chef Boyardy. That's not the point, but the point
Speaker 1: is right, if you're looking at the trajectory of this thing,
Speaker 1: this country, this nation, we've already seen pretty dramatic declines
Speaker 1: in the rule of law. You know, you and I
Speaker 1: have been talking about the normalization of political violence for months. Now.
Speaker 1: What's the murder clearance? Right? It is pretty low and
Speaker 1: I am not a fan of murder. We only take
Speaker 1: Britain stances murders show. But at the same time, it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: like if present trends continue, it is a wise thing
Speaker 1: to invest in. By the way, I just want to
Speaker 1: do this because I'll forget otherwise. We have a few, uh,
Speaker 1: we have a few super chats from the last couple shows.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to send super chats, no,
Speaker 1: two things. One I will read them. And two, now
Speaker 1: that Karl and I are gonna be doing these lives
Speaker 1: dreams more regularly. Half everything goes to Carl. So if
Speaker 1: you think I'm an idiot I don't want to give
Speaker 1: him money, well guess what have Let's going to Carl.
Speaker 1: So just a few and then we can continue with
Speaker 1: this conversation and a few comments I want to hire
Speaker 1: or want to highlight rather. Paladin yyz very generously like
Speaker 1: almost as soon as I pressed the end stream button,
Speaker 1: sent in a very large super chat where he said,
Speaker 1: not the kind of podcast I can just PLoP into
Speaker 1: forty five minutes late. We'll have to rewatch great guest.
Speaker 1: I agree, Ardwolf is a great guest, and Paladin is
Speaker 1: very generous. These last two were on my streams with Arch.
Speaker 1: Go back and check those out. I think that came
Speaker 1: out on the twenty ninth. I used to listen to
Speaker 1: Arch every night to go to sleep. He convinced me
Speaker 1: that Warhammer forty K was real, actually very similar. Warhammer
Speaker 1: forty K is real, and I used to listen to
Speaker 1: Arch when I worked horrible manual jobs. For instance, I
Speaker 1: was telling one of my buddies about this is just
Speaker 1: as horrible disaster I was doing. Thai all was supposed
Speaker 1: to be, you know, putting fake styrofoam stones on a
Speaker 1: fireplace was stupid. But anyway, the guy was working for
Speaker 1: he didn't often do this, but he was the contractor
Speaker 1: for a full floor renovation, right so the kitchen, so
Speaker 1: he had cabinet guys doing that, and the wood floors
Speaker 1: were supposed to be refinished, and the guy he got
Speaker 1: to do them didn't do his job correctly, didn't prep everything.
Speaker 1: So he refinished the floors and when he put the
Speaker 1: top coat on, it basically like beat it up on
Speaker 1: top and then froze like a rock, so it looked
Speaker 1: like like tree sap, right, just like these little like
Speaker 1: clear bubbles. And so for basically a week and a half,
Speaker 1: because this guy wouldn't show up to fix his work,
Speaker 1: I was standing and mopping the floors with this like
Speaker 1: horrible gummy half cubed cured resin. And the whole time
Speaker 1: I was listening to arch Warhammer, specifically his series on
Speaker 1: the Siege of Rocks, which is quite good. I highly
Speaker 1: recommend it if you can still find it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't read your name, but you are correct
Speaker 1: generally speaking. One more from that same one. The best
Speaker 1: answer to all of this is trump Buddha. Yes, sort
Speaker 1: of mode. I try to emulate, right. So anyway, Sorry
Speaker 1: that was a big, big digression, but I see a
Speaker 1: guy talking about last thing you need is kind of
Speaker 1: an affordable rifle. Basically, not to get too into this
Speaker 1: like autisma. Wise, buy a stripped lower if you're handy
Speaker 1: with tools, put it together. Yeah, it'll be like one
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Honestly, go to piece Geek and get one
Speaker 1: for thirty bucks. I own a bunch of them. The
Speaker 1: parts are another eighty ninety bucks. And then get you
Speaker 1: a sensible sixteen inch free float upper from a company
Speaker 1: that you've heard of all in your probably five six
Speaker 1: hundred bucks or something that's fully capable. Not to get
Speaker 1: too much into the autism, but if you don't know
Speaker 1: where to go, that'll work. And when I say decent company,
Speaker 1: I don't mean like BCA Anderson Rip, like DPMs anything like. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the mid tier PSA stuff is perfectly fine, especially if
Speaker 1: you're you know, competent enough to check that everything was
Speaker 1: correctly installed by Don Quavius.
Speaker 2: It probably was, given that they're in Lakewood, Washington.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Sorry, I just expel this cat. Oh
Speaker 1: we had a forty dollars super chat very generous from
Speaker 1: Superjackhack two. I just want to give Carl his twenty
Speaker 1: bucks and all that implies. Let me tell you, with
Speaker 1: Carl that gets you a lot. Carl is the originator
Speaker 1: and popularizer of the phrase I'm not gay, but twenty
Speaker 1: dollars is twenty dollars in the same group chat you
Speaker 1: were you were talking about earlier, you don't just gotta
Speaker 1: I will get too much into it, but it's got
Speaker 1: people you have heard of. You're a lot like basically
Speaker 1: like the Inquisition group chat. And for whatever reason, Carl,
Speaker 1: and genuinely, I'm so sorry for this. We've all just
Speaker 1: decided to make fun of Carl constantly because you were
Speaker 1: by far the nicest person in the group chat. It's
Speaker 1: just the most slandered me, and so I'd like to apologize.
Speaker 1: I won't stop doing it, but I do at least
Speaker 1: feel bad about it. And then Josh Pulver with the
Speaker 1: very correct advice just do an arrow lower and a
Speaker 1: bcm upper. Yeah, honestly, it's it's the it's the reddit build,
Speaker 1: but it's it's great. It's what you should do if
Speaker 1: you have the money. If you don't, you might need
Speaker 1: to be a little more creative, but it's it's not
Speaker 1: rocket science. Are you still there? Hmmm? Carl is not there,
Speaker 1: so we'll vamp for a little bit. Uh, all right,
Speaker 1: and Sean, I will neither confirm nor deny certain rumors,
Speaker 1: but some have said that, yeah, I think what I
Speaker 1: might do there goes Carl or the sort of second
Speaker 1: half of this I've got another forty five minutes is
Speaker 1: go through my article on Chronicles Magazine. I sent the
Speaker 1: link to it. If you don't mind go over there
Speaker 1: leave them a comment. It helps me out. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do more writing. But the context of
Speaker 1: this will be familiar to those who've heard me talk, right,
Speaker 1: I kind of develop ideas live on air, and then
Speaker 1: you know, go from there and turn it into an article.
Speaker 1: And I won't be doing a direct read through, just
Speaker 1: kind of going through this article I should take down.
Speaker 1: That's a horrible message to have stuck over my face
Speaker 1: while I read something serious. I'm going to use it
Speaker 1: as an outline. Right, So the name in this article
Speaker 1: is called insert of Natural Conservatives by me Jay Burden
Speaker 1: in Chronicles Magazine. So basically I start off by going
Speaker 1: through the sort of platitudes of the conservative movement, things like,
Speaker 1: you know, family values, hard working Americans. Yeah, the kind
Speaker 1: of mostly harmless phrases that you can hear in any
Speaker 1: RNC speech since you know, really the eighties, but particularly
Speaker 1: I drew attention to one natural conservatives or natural Republicans
Speaker 1: and this idea that conservative or culturally conservative immigrant groups
Speaker 1: will inevitably become GOP voters. Right. This is an idea
Speaker 1: that over the past forty years has just been repeated
Speaker 1: ad nausea. Endless amounts of money, endless amount of time
Speaker 1: has been spent pursuing this goal. And additionally, anyone who
Speaker 1: dissents from it is perched. You know, they're just thrown out.
Speaker 1: And yes, I will be getting the super chats in
Speaker 1: a little bit. I just want to go through this
Speaker 1: to kind of keep going for the second half of
Speaker 1: the stream, which, by the way, I haven't heard from
Speaker 1: Carl at all, so I assume he got black backed anyway.
Speaker 1: So particularly that phrase was made popular by Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 1: For instance, in a Spanish language broadcast during one of
Speaker 1: his I think it was the second presidential run, he
Speaker 1: said this phrase, Latinos are Republicans, they just don't know
Speaker 1: it yet. George Bush made similar comments justifying the pathway
Speaker 1: to citizenship right the big amnesty back then, and this
Speaker 1: argument has re emerged in the kind of woke right
Speaker 1: moral panic that has sprung up really after about October seventh.
Speaker 1: But let's be honest, also in relation to figures like Cocker,
Speaker 1: Carlson and Nick Fuentes and their conversation. But I took
Speaker 1: a quote from Rod Dreyer what I saw and heard
Speaker 1: in Washington, where the conservative commentator quoted an anonymous Maga
Speaker 1: Zoomer policy wonk and person of color. So this is
Speaker 1: that alleged source, and I say alleged for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: Describing Nick fund as his followers, he said, they're delusional.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of immigrants and native born members
Speaker 1: of ethnic groups were natural Republicans at phrase, and whom
Speaker 1: Donald Trump won in twenty twenty four. Take Indians for example.
Speaker 1: Interesting reveal there. The point is right, we see that
Speaker 1: phrase natural Republicans. That idea is present even in modern
Speaker 1: kind of house conservative commentary allegedly from a Maga Zoomer
Speaker 1: policy wonk person of color if you believe so, carrying
Speaker 1: on right, just as you know Reagan and Bush before him,
Speaker 1: this guy is claiming that socially conservative immigrant groups are
Speaker 1: a voter base. And wait, just right there for the
Speaker 1: taking from the GOP, the conservative right, and the thing,
Speaker 1: the reason we need to continue this purge is they're
Speaker 1: going to scare them off. But look like the central
Speaker 1: premise is completely and totally false. We understand here that Hispanics,
Speaker 1: American Blacks, other immigrant groups continually vote for communists, right,
Speaker 1: even though you know, if you ask these people, you know,
Speaker 1: Black Americans, Somali's for example, their opinions on different issues, right,
Speaker 1: gay marriage, just almost sexuality rit large, you'll get a
Speaker 1: very conservative, right wing answer, right, Like, can you imagine
Speaker 1: talking to like a Nation of Islam guy about LGBTQ stuff.
Speaker 1: He's probably not a fan. So initially, on first viewing,
Speaker 1: this seems like a contradiction, right, this seems like something
Speaker 1: that follows this kind of logic of the natural conservative.
Speaker 1: But hey, Carl, you back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my internet decided to go bye bye right when
Speaker 2: we were talking about me being a potential homosexual.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a sign from God. I hate to say it,
Speaker 1: I guess it's just true. If you're not there to
Speaker 1: defend yourself, you know, you're get into anyway, Carl, I
Speaker 1: was going through my article in Chronicles, right, you know,
Speaker 1: going through kind of the the idea of the natural conservative,
Speaker 1: the natural Republican, and then going into that central premise
Speaker 1: that you know, many of these groups who vote for
Speaker 1: communists are on their own quite socially conservative. But there
Speaker 1: are two issues, right, One they're clients of the cultural left,
Speaker 1: and two they understand that there's a difference between conserving
Speaker 1: their culture and conserving our culture. Look like you guys
Speaker 1: understand the DNC patronage system, right, They're very good at it.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, sure, you know Black Americans and amusing
Speaker 1: them as this in because they are the most monolithic
Speaker 1: voting block in the country. And also the GOP has
Speaker 1: been gunning for that group for longer than either of Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: look like that's been true since FDR for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: But look at the Civil Rights Act, which, in addition
Speaker 1: to giving a ton of welfare, not literally the Civil
Speaker 1: Rights Act, but you know, in the same kind of timeframe,
Speaker 1: also gave like sweeping rights. For instance, you know, the
Speaker 1: idea that any situation where you know, minority groups are underrepresented,
Speaker 1: there's the assumption of racism that the federal government has
Speaker 1: a whole division at the DOJ designed to step in
Speaker 1: and correct that. I mean, look like this is the
Speaker 1: kind of like this is an absurd privilege, Like why
Speaker 1: would you ever go for equality? Right? Also, we understand
Speaker 1: that there's huge negative rights right, freedom from prosecution, freedom
Speaker 1: from gun laws. I mean, just look at the atf
Speaker 1: under Biden. Yeah, the the blicky as they say. Also,
Speaker 1: I specifically cited the case of one Gary O. Edwards,
Speaker 1: a brother who stabbed a homeless who stabbed another white
Speaker 1: guy in Portland July this of last year. And look
Speaker 1: like there's video evidence of that. But the jurors acquitted
Speaker 1: Edwards because while being stabbed, the other guy dropped a
Speaker 1: game or work. Right, The idea was the problem is
Speaker 1: not you know, there's a stabbing, but it's the while
Speaker 1: being stabbed, this guy besmirched the honor of a client group.
Speaker 1: Like this is basically the law that the Sammurai had,
Speaker 1: you know, where it's like if a peasant, you know,
Speaker 1: insulted them, you could just draw your katana and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of cut them in half. So clearly, right there
Speaker 1: there's some privilege here, as they say, But what does
Speaker 1: the GOP offer well, sure you know that they have
Speaker 1: you know, like a certain amount of tolerance, right, you're
Speaker 1: likely to advance, you know, up through the ladder really
Speaker 1: really quickly. Like the old joke is like, what do
Speaker 1: you call a black guy at an RNC meeting, mister chairman? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But effectively they're offering you equality, right, equality of opportunity.
Speaker 1: They're basically running with the stated premise of nineties Democrats. Uh,
Speaker 1: but let's be honest. Who would rationally take that deal? Right?
Speaker 1: Who would say I will give up all of these
Speaker 1: privileges in exchange for equality, right? I kind of ironically
Speaker 1: quote you know the old progressive saw. When you're accustomed
Speaker 1: to privilege, equality feels like oppression. And look, we've seen
Speaker 1: this in actuality work out right, this this program has
Speaker 1: been run for like years, decades, and even in my
Speaker 1: own state, right, we ran a you know, a a
Speaker 1: immigrant woman of color and she won six to seven
Speaker 1: percent of the black vote. For instance, you have the root.
Speaker 1: I didn't cite this, but I should have, basically saying
Speaker 1: when some earl Sears isn't black, which you know should
Speaker 1: not be surprising to anyone who's paying attention, but also
Speaker 1: that other aspect I talked about, right, the gap between
Speaker 1: being personally conservative for your own culture and conservative broadly
Speaker 1: speaking is it all comes down to what is your nation? Right.
Speaker 1: This is sort of the quote from my good friend
Speaker 1: Kevin Deanna where he says, you know, everyone is a
Speaker 1: blood and soil nationalist for the nation they actually care about. Right.
Speaker 1: You see this particularly in the kind of anti Ice
Speaker 1: riots of early last year, the Larraza stuff or ilhan Omar, Right,
Speaker 1: despite being one of the most left wing you know,
Speaker 1: members of in the legislature, when she speaks in her
Speaker 1: own language, Like there's a clip that went pretty viral,
Speaker 1: you know a few years ago, she's talking in Somali saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I am there as a representative of Somali people.
Speaker 1: I am there to make sure that Ethiopia doesn't take
Speaker 1: any Somali territorial waters. That's a weird thing for someone
Speaker 1: who you know, allegedly represents the nation of America and
Speaker 1: specifically the people of Minnesota. That seems quite far away from,
Speaker 1: you know, an inter African speed over tribal waters. But
Speaker 1: nonetheless that's what happens. And perhaps one of the most
Speaker 1: insidious parts is that Republicans think they can run sort
Speaker 1: of seventy percent of this program and get the same results. Right,
Speaker 1: give that same unwavering loyalty from these minority groups I mentioned,
Speaker 1: of course, right when some earl sears who despite checking
Speaker 1: off all of those boxes one seven percent of the
Speaker 1: Black vote, twenty percent of the Asian and thirty three
Speaker 1: percent of the Latino vote, which again, you know, if
Speaker 1: these are groups supposedly that Trump won, like Indians who
Speaker 1: I believe it's thirty percent voted for Trump, Well, one,
Speaker 1: why is it not happening? And two like, why would
Speaker 1: you support the importation of more people who vote against you?
Speaker 1: Basically two to one? Right? Carrying on? Uh, enumerate, yes, yeah, enumerate,
Speaker 1: And oftentimes you see these sort of good hearted conservative
Speaker 1: types will instantly pivot to civil rights language. Right, talking
Speaker 1: about Democrats? Is the real racists bringing up the Civil War?
Speaker 1: John C. Calhoun any other similarly unfashionable past Democrats. But like, guys,
Speaker 1: come on, we understand that that argument is literally only
Speaker 1: made by those people, and it is widely mocked by
Speaker 1: the entire political left and those specific minority groups. That racism,
Speaker 1: for whatever we want to say of the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: is completely and totally irrelevant to these patronage networks. So
Speaker 1: what's the answer, right, This came up in my conversation
Speaker 1: with Peter Bremilo. Well, it's the sailor strategy, right. It
Speaker 1: is the white majority, the heritage Americans, the people who,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, vote for the GOP. Well why not
Speaker 1: to be honest? I think a lot of baby boomers,
Speaker 1: particularly conservative baby boomers, are completely and totally traumatized by
Speaker 1: the idea of being on the right, the wrong side
Speaker 1: of history. Yeah, like, deep down, they actually do believe
Speaker 1: that they are the villains, that they don't deserve to
Speaker 1: rule unless they have I was about to use a
Speaker 1: potentially problematic phrase there, I'll leave it. But unless they
Speaker 1: have the seal of approval of minority groups, particularly Black Americans,
Speaker 1: that is what makes something legitimate. And anything that advantages
Speaker 1: the group that you represent, or disadvantages or seem to
Speaker 1: disadvantage that group is on its face, completely and totally illegitimate.
Speaker 1: And the conclusion of this article is basically like that
Speaker 1: premise needs to die. Clearly, we've seen a very dramatic
Speaker 1: example in the state of Virginia about how that is
Speaker 1: not the pathway to success and understand, guys. Of course
Speaker 1: I'm writing to a specific audience. You know, I am
Speaker 1: not necessarily saying we should put all our hope in
Speaker 1: the GOP, right, in the MAGA movement or whatever. But fundamentally,
Speaker 1: like that premise is endemic in good sort of conservative institutions,
Speaker 1: in good conscer Christian Americans, and unless it goes away,
Speaker 1: that group of people is doomed to fluse forever. Right,
Speaker 1: the idea that you can't advocate for your own interests
Speaker 1: because it would be you know, mean horrible racist, right
Speaker 1: and so effectively right, that needs to die, That needs
Speaker 1: to be abandoned. This has been a brief summary, right,
Speaker 1: it's a longer article. I just sort of hit the highlights.
Speaker 1: But to me, you see this as well, and this
Speaker 1: is a hell of the transition, Carl in the two
Speaker 1: A space as well, where it's this idea that of
Speaker 1: in the extreme liberal version is the kind of two
Speaker 1: A for all stuff like we went over in that
Speaker 1: kind of chilling article from Wired a while back talking
Speaker 1: about you know the trantephotypes, you know, training for you know,
Speaker 1: war with the Feds quote unquote right in heavy scare quotes.
Speaker 1: But also you know the idea that you know, what
Speaker 1: really makes something you know, legitimate, or what makes it,
Speaker 1: you know, a laudable thing. Something that you can argue
Speaker 1: for is how it indexes with certain minority groups, certain
Speaker 1: you know, client groups of the DMC. So, for instance,
Speaker 1: anytime there's an increase in you know, women or people
Speaker 1: of color, homosexuals, less so, but let's be honest, they'll
Speaker 1: probably get to it sooner than later, you know, buying guns.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the idea that that's that's good, that's
Speaker 1: what makes this thing fair because you know, we have
Speaker 1: to be on a level playing field with everyone. And
Speaker 1: I think that it's something you see a lot, particularly
Speaker 1: in the more like libertarian circles, because look like American
Speaker 1: gun culture did come out of in its current stantiation,
Speaker 1: rather the kind of anti government, you know, militia movement
Speaker 1: of the eighties and nineties, but then it went through
Speaker 1: this this sort of libertarian phase. It's kind of exiting
Speaker 1: that at the moment. But it's this idea that you know, statism,
Speaker 1: the state, the government is the enemy, and you know,
Speaker 1: we are all just simple, you know, Adam, right, bearing
Speaker 1: individuals who need to have their choices maximized and similarly, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a particularly good strategy and a
Speaker 1: good idea. I've been ranting for a while, Carl. Obviously
Speaker 1: you've been out with technical difficulties. But I'm curious to
Speaker 1: get your response. And oh yeah, yeah, Cyberchad twenty seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Kevin Yanna is great his show Identity Politics right on YouTube, Carl,
Speaker 1: you were on Identity Politics not too long ago.
Speaker 2: Now, two weeks ago we talked about the Spanish Civil War.
Speaker 1: Shocking, great episode. Thank you, yeah, Carl, Sorry, Carl, this
Speaker 1: is also true of you, But Kevin is one of
Speaker 1: my one of my favorite writer's favorite producers. Yes, content,
Speaker 1: you should check him out. He is criminally undersubscribed on
Speaker 1: those platforms, you know, I to put them mildly. I
Speaker 1: think I disagree with him on theology. I'll leave it
Speaker 1: at that, but nonetheless he is a good guy personally
Speaker 1: and also a very very capable kind of political.
Speaker 2: Analysts solid think are very knowledgeable about the most relevant
Speaker 2: stuff to work.
Speaker 1: So sorry, I'm supposed to kick it back to you, Carl,
Speaker 1: for reaction of yourself.
Speaker 2: No, it's you know, that's that's part of my part
Speaker 2: of that article and my retort is that there is
Speaker 2: a consumerist mentality to this and this individualistic like if
Speaker 2: if only we can put guns in the hands of
Speaker 2: don Quavius, they'll realize that they should be just like us,
Speaker 2: instead of thinking that this is a weapon, and it's
Speaker 2: it's this like hobbyist rights orientation and without understanding what
Speaker 2: rights really are. Rights are things that we have because
Speaker 2: we say so, and if you treat us as if
Speaker 2: we don't have them, we will do things to you
Speaker 2: that are quite precedented. And that's really what they are are,
Speaker 2: you know, if if you believe.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: In pat con which which is a really important thing
Speaker 2: to understand, in the late eighties early nineties, you know,
Speaker 2: the federal libtard government under both Democrats and Republicans started
Speaker 2: to treat whitey as the enemy. Any any assertive white
Speaker 2: person essentially talking in certain ways and not and was
Speaker 2: surprisingly labeled as a racist, even if and this quite
Speaker 2: often took these people by surprise because they considered themselves
Speaker 2: as not being racist, because they didn't know yet that
Speaker 2: they are a racist oppressor. They had not internalized that
Speaker 2: despite crippling television addictions, and so they would be quite
Speaker 2: surprised by these retorts. And then when you examine the
Speaker 2: groups that originate these label like s PLC, for example,
Speaker 2: closely connected to the ADL, like people who explored these
Speaker 2: things and actually said, I will believe these people when
Speaker 2: they say these things. I will believe that they actually
Speaker 2: believe them. You begin to understand them. And if you
Speaker 2: take their word for it, there's many words that can
Speaker 2: be applied to you, many adjectives, and so anyhow, it's
Speaker 2: this moribund, like constrained, like we let's bring them up
Speaker 2: to our level by including them in our activities, and
Speaker 2: then they'll become patriotic Americans. It's identical to this natural
Speaker 2: conservatives thing. So the seventy IQ Guatemalan who is four
Speaker 2: foot eight who just climbed off of his eleven year
Speaker 2: old niece, if you hand him a firearm, he will
Speaker 2: be like, Wow, I love George Washington too. It's it's
Speaker 2: completely insane.
Speaker 1: You're top guy, Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 2: It's completely insane. And and the way to argue with
Speaker 2: these things is to put things in terms that are
Speaker 2: this crude. Like Don Quavius thirteen years old, you know,
Speaker 2: his local gang hands him a glock nineteen with a
Speaker 2: switch and a thirty three round TRANSPARENTTS two.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, a.
Speaker 2: Glock twenty two with an a transparent stendo Ets magazine,
Speaker 2: holds it sideways, sprays his school. You know, it isn't
Speaker 2: classified as a school shooting because only why people do that,
Speaker 2: and you know, because he wants to get his op
Speaker 2: and you think that like that, these people go into
Speaker 2: abstraction land and say, well, we should wait until the
Speaker 2: very moment that the that the bullet hits someone's central
Speaker 2: nervous system before we can respond, because you know, they
Speaker 2: have rights just like us, you know, And it's really
Speaker 2: quite incredible when you look at how convoluted and stupid
Speaker 2: these people are because they've disregarded first principles for one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty years, like they are libtards, and they
Speaker 2: have a crippling media conflation, addiction and premises that make
Speaker 2: it impossible for them to think clearly about these things.
Speaker 2: But fortunately that population is shrinking, and you compare guys
Speaker 2: who used to and there was also there was also
Speaker 2: a thing where people thought they had to talk this
Speaker 2: way so they wouldn't get suppressed again because of like
Speaker 2: Pat con Another guy I love, I love Matt Bracken
Speaker 2: he's a writer, and he's he he was very very
Speaker 2: very very libertarian coded for a very long time, and
Speaker 2: then now he sounds just like us and like he
Speaker 2: was directionally right, but he would I think he was
Speaker 2: like handling things in this way tactically for a really
Speaker 2: long time. But then there were some of these priors
Speaker 2: that he just wouldn't let go of. Well those are
Speaker 2: long gone, and he's basically like practically fed posting on
Speaker 2: X about you know, the usual suspects who should be
Speaker 2: fed posted about in this fashion, and I'm tired of
Speaker 2: pretending that they shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: So we have some more super chats s W two MG,
Speaker 1: logistics and amotion far exceed the cost of a rifle,
Speaker 1: including water sources, camp, food, training, a lotments, et cetera.
Speaker 1: PSA freedom only okay for like five K rounds? Yeah true,
Speaker 1: I mean, of course this my recommendation was based off
Speaker 1: of it. If you have literally no money, right, if
Speaker 1: you if you have the money to buy something, better
Speaker 1: do it. But like you know, five k rounds is
Speaker 1: more than enough for someone who has only enough money
Speaker 1: to spend five hundred dollars, right, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: the be all, end all and the first point. I
Speaker 1: completely agree aramic discord my brother in Draco Asalama lakam.
Speaker 1: I miss my air ten. Yes, it was hideously expensive.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I miss it. I certainly have things
Speaker 1: in that category. Actually, I have a which we'll probably
Speaker 1: get to sooner or later. I think I showed you,
Speaker 1: Carl the uh the cool l mt ar ten lower
Speaker 1: I got. Uh is my mic really that low? Carl?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: I hear you fine. You sound okay to me. I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's a difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean good. Yeah, I'll jack it a little bit,
Speaker 1: but then I might kind of get a little deep
Speaker 1: fried as I'll just talk louder and we'll say that's
Speaker 1: good enough.
Speaker 2: He says that took care of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, handsome horses getting up there in age, he could
Speaker 2: become hard of hearing.
Speaker 1: That could be it.
Speaker 2: But now he hears Yeah, you know, I love you, sir.
Speaker 1: He okay, Sorry I got a little bit distracted there.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, anyway, sorry, Uh got completely Slinging Beef continually
Speaker 1: has uh the funniest user name. Oh wait, this continually
Speaker 1: happens to me, like especially when I'm an Orange Show
Speaker 1: or something where, especially when you're not reading them, very
Speaker 1: profane inappropriate names and or super chats are really really funny,
Speaker 1: So keep going, chief Sling Week, Isn't that bad? New
Speaker 1: Starship Truoners book? And then an unrelated point thirty two
Speaker 1: a CPS homo Carl will he will be coming to
Speaker 1: get you, just to let you know on that, Well, Carl,
Speaker 1: we are probably about at time. It's been a ton
Speaker 1: of fun. Thanks for coming on to this this highly
Speaker 1: planned plane excuse me stream. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Where can they buy book?
Speaker 2: People can buy book at Amazon Faction and Faction with
Speaker 2: the Crusaders by Carl Dahl. You can also find me
Speaker 2: at substack