WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:06.200 You know, Carl, I went to an OGC party right 2 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:08.080 not too long ago. It was really positive. A ton 3 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:11.720 of guys out there. You know, the group in my 4 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:15.519 kind of the city I live in has been begging 5 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:19.160 me to show up, and you know, as super Jack 6 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.559 Hack says, the Draco Owner effect is coming in strong. 7 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:26.559 So I haven't been to anything, and it was awesome, 8 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:28.960 a ton of guys there. But uh, you know, I 9 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:32.200 got some feedback that was initially positive. Said you know. 10 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:34.479 The guy was saying like, wow, I really like your show. 11 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:37.840 But then he said something that I felt really offended by. 12 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:39.560 I think you would be offended by two, and he 13 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:42.920 said I think the shows are the best when you 14 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:47.640 have nothing planned. And I got really upset, Carl, because 15 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.560 that implied that you and I do anything less than 16 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:52.960 dozens of hours of prep work for these times. 17 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:57.039 Oh yeah, we always discussed the topic that we're gonna 18 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:58.840 be talking about in advance. 19 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.840 We never hastily consider, you know, hey, what are you 20 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.879 doing next Thursday? Nothing in between. Here's a link three 21 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:09.719 minutes before exactly. 22 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:13.879 I know I this morning I was thinking about texting 23 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:16.200 you what are you thinking about? But then I was like, 24 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:17.200 fuck it? 25 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:26.879 Which is the unofficial tagline of this show. What are 26 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:28.200 you working on, Carl? 27 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:32.560 What have I been working on? I am working on 28 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:35.920 a screenplay with some people that we know, which I'm 29 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:37.599 actually very excited about. 30 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.120 But I've also. 31 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:47.519 Been doing some other nonfiction writing and I am enjoying that 32 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:51.760 trying to because you know, I've been putting out a 33 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:55.159 lot of pieces on the Spanish Civil War for some 34 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:59.640 time on my sub stack, and branching out and talking 35 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:04.120 about other things and applying some rigor to it rather 36 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:08.599 than it just being like posting right, is a really 37 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:15.360 nice mental exercise. I've also been playing with AI, and 38 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:20.159 it is the way i'd put it is, I don't 39 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.400 think the AI apocalypse is here, but I think the 40 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:25.000 white collar apocalypse is. 41 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:26.039 Here, whether or not. 42 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:31.599 It's deservedly so, because AI is good enough that you 43 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.960 can automate enough things that, like the C suite is like, 44 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.840 all right, let's cut thirty percent of our staff and 45 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:43.439 the remainder get real nimble and you know, synergize those 46 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:45.560 efficiencies and. 47 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.840 Good luck, Karl. Won't the quality of the product decline? 48 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:55.560 Who cares about that? It's like, seriously, in the business world, 49 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.159 my whole career has been automating my way up out 50 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:04.800 of a job first, and then taking that technical knowledge 51 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:10.400 and applying it at a slightly higher level, while still 52 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:12.560 treating the people that do that kind of work like 53 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:18.719 with respect and actually understanding what they need, but also 54 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:24.840 watching people stop caring about anything other than like the 55 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.599 ratings and it being up to the guy on the 56 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:33.159 front line to just figure it out, Like are your 57 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:37.319 clients unhappy? Figure it out? Are you having are you 58 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:42.080 not equipped with the tools to and the products that 59 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.520 are you know, hitting in the way that we that 60 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:49.680 we promise Figure it out, spin it And there's an 61 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:54.719 element to where that can work for so long. Yes, 62 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:00.000 Britney would eighteen ninety six excellent year for semi automatic weapons. 63 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.840 Private equity buys your company and then it becomes about 64 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.639 just cutting it to the bone, looking at the Ebadah numbers. 65 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:14.800 And it's the period that we're in now is identical 66 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:20.920 to the post two thousand and six two thousand and eight, 67 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.399 like it really like the economy really went off a 68 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:27.920 cliff in two thousand and eight, where you know, businesses 69 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:34.560 operate like modern American businesses are a bust out slash 70 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:40.160 like money cycling thing where where cheap money, free money 71 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:44.480 basically keep props things up. And the amount of businesses 72 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:49.120 out there that have these massive valuations that actually are 73 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.680 just hemorrhaging money is a major portion of the market. 74 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.199 It's wild well and and to that point, it's actually 75 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.040 something I talked about with friend of the show Stormy 76 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:01.519 Waters and a show that is up behind the paywall. 77 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:04.680 Give me money, but it'll be out to give day money. 78 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:08.600 But that was something that you know, prompts that entire 79 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.879 show as we were talking on the phone. And look, 80 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.199 I have a finance degree, bout only any about money, 81 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.879 as should be very apparent to you, carl uh. But 82 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:23.120 all in all seriousness, right, One of the things that 83 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:28.079 I was talking to him about was one, are have 84 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:32.399 we basically been in a recession since eight The way 85 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.920 that those terms are calculated is constantly changed. The one 86 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:38.120 I remember, you know, likely many others will. I was 87 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.079 in college when Joe Biden and his cronies just redefined 88 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:44.639 what a recession was so that they could say, hey, 89 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.240 we're not in a recession. And you can look at 90 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.040 that and say, oh, Joe Biden said, you know a 91 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:53.399 dastardly irishman, which is true, or you can look at 92 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.480 it and say, wait a minute, if we've done this once, 93 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:57.160 have we ever done it before? 94 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:59.839 I was about to say that, like, is I not 95 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:06.720 only Joe biden Man's but many many Republican uh you know, 96 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:13.600 many Republican There's there's this whole switchereroo that the parties 97 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.360 do on a regular basis where you know, one party 98 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:22.680 basically wears out it's welcome, and then the other party 99 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.319 comes in and then they do the same stuff, but 100 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.720 they spin it into like just the right way. 101 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:31.399 I was, can you think of one relevant example from 102 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:32.199 recent weeks? 103 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:37.680 Golly, you know it's funny because I was, I'm working 104 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.360 on this piece that I mentioned to you before, where 105 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.959 like gun control, a gun control timeline where things transitioned 106 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:51.920 from being like managed on the municipal and state level 107 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.240 and a lot of it basically being like European lore, 108 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:01.079 which is like as like you know, scumback eggs who 109 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:05.360 are carrying weapons get cop weapons charges and you can 110 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:09.319 crack them in the head and just like throw them 111 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.560 in a dungeon or execute them. And then also like 112 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.399 people who aren't white can't have guns unless like the 113 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:21.480 state says it's okay, like that's that's literally European law 114 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:23.920 for thousands of years, and that's pretty much like much 115 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.240 of the world at at a certain level of development. 116 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.240 And then and then you have these federal innovations where 117 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:39.040 the frankly major traction for federal gun control came under 118 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:48.000 Republican leadership, specifically Reagan and Bush Senior. So anyway, my 119 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.839 point being, it's the it's the old switcheroo, and uh 120 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.680 the if you examined the redefining of terms and the 121 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.639 recalculation of terms, you know, like cost of living index 122 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.759 is another good one where they're like cost of living 123 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.160 doesn't involve food, but it does involve big screen TVs. 124 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.680 It doesn't involve energy, housing, medical, correct, you know, just 125 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:14.519 those like ancillary details of your life. 126 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:18.600 My minor, minor things. It's so like if if mister 127 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:25.360 Burden was enthroned as our emperor, I cost of living 128 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:30.480 index would be like secondhand weapons and weapon accessories would 129 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:34.279 be like the top level things. 130 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:40.039 Slightly intoxicated gun broker purchases would be your indication of inflation. 131 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:45.600 Uh yeah, in all seriousness, but to that point about 132 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.200 you know, obviously going back to your point about you know, 133 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.080 companies in private equity. One of the other questions that's 134 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:54.000 sort of a knock on from that is how much 135 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.519 of this growth in indexes like the S and P 136 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:04.200 five hundred, the market writ large is basically just currency debasement, 137 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:08.440 basically just inflation, because again with cost of living, inflation 138 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:12.200 is hidden. You know, if you look at the shadow stats, right, 139 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.080 the rate for the last couple of years comes up 140 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.000 to twelve to fifteen percent, and you think about it, 141 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:21.519 Wait a minute, that's above the market rate. So if 142 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:23.519 you actually think about it, it's like, well, yeah, sure 143 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:25.519 your money is in the market and it might be 144 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.840 doing well. But if you compare that to actual functional inflation, 145 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:36.320 the math changes. And similarly as regards to companies, right, well, 146 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.480 your compensation, as you and I have gone into before, 147 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.720 is heavily dependent on stock price. And so if you're 148 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:47.480 already riding the wave of just basic inflation and then 149 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.639 can throw in some kind of short term cost cutting, 150 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:55.159 or your stock price can on paper explode while not 151 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.840 actually doing anything to benefit the company itself. You know, 152 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:02.039 one of the big stories of in the last several weeks, 153 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:03.960 and it's been a while since we've you know, talked 154 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:08.840 to Carl, is you know, the massive tech offshoring, right, 155 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:13.120 companies like Amazon and Google laying off over ten thousand 156 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:19.320 workers apiece and employing tens of thousands in mostly India. 157 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.240 Let's be honest, yes, is there a you know, shall 158 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.279 we say ethno sectarian component to that. I will leave 159 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:30.279 my viewers to decide. But also and they'll all say yes, yeah, yes, 160 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:34.639 But also right, we understand that that is a cost 161 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.559 saving measure. You don't have to pay benefits to these people. 162 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.360 You don't have to pay them, you know, as the 163 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:44.879 socialists say a livable wage in America, you can you know, 164 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.799 hire these people at three to one. And does it 165 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.519 make the product worst? Sure? Well, does it make the 166 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.679 product worse in a fast enough time span for the 167 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:58.120 people sitting at the top to care about it? Exactly? No, 168 00:10:58.639 --> 00:10:59.279 clearly not. 169 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:04.200 And you know, on top of that, I have this, uh, 170 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:10.200 I have this theory of of how this AI bubble 171 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.720 is going to play out. And I must admit that 172 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:18.639 it's based on my experience in the in the business world, 173 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:24.360 servicing Fortune one hundred companies, uh, you know, servicing them 174 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.759 in however however you want to interpret that term. It 175 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:32.360 feels like sometimes this is a this is a highly 176 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:36.559 planed tactical stream. We are going to be using hand 177 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:40.960 planers wooden blocks with pieces of sharpened iron in it 178 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.120 to plane things by by the time this this bubble bursts. 179 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:50.759 So anyhow, Uh, the way that things in the past 180 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:53.679 have worked, and I've seen continuously, is that. 181 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.679 The any any. 182 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.559 Sort of efficiencies introduced by soft where which are extensive. 183 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:04.559 Let's be honest, let me give it. Let me give 184 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:11.039 an illustration. When my father was twenty four years old 185 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:17.159 working as an accountant at a big firm, they put 186 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.840 you through like an eighteen month to two year like grind, 187 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.200 and those who survive can work for them. He had 188 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:30.159 a secretary doing entry level work because he needed to 189 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:36.200 focus on the work. She would handle correspondents and you know, 190 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.559 all the like little logistical things. 191 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:40.120 And then by the. 192 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:46.399 Time he retired owning a pretty good sized business, don't 193 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:52.279 docs me or anything, he shared a secretary with four 194 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.639 other executives under him and his company. He had a 195 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.960 co owner and then two other guys who are pretty important. 196 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:03.399 They all shared one secret terry because software made things 197 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.240 so efficient that they they literally didn't need an extra 198 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:10.399 you know, mouth sitting there. Basically, you know, someone to 199 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.960 pay a big salary to and benefits to because there 200 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:19.039 just wasn't enough work. So it's it's really interesting because 201 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:22.240 you know, and and again like I said, I've kind 202 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:25.679 of I've automated my way out of work, and a 203 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:27.679 lot of the grunt work that I used to do 204 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.679 very manually is something that like tools that the company subscribe, 205 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:36.559 you know, subscribes to with X number of accounts, having 206 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:40.720 access to it on an annual basis is pretty efficient 207 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:44.799 and gets around a lot of this automated work that 208 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:45.360 you have to do. 209 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:46.440 Well. 210 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.600 The ability to set up little AI agents and I'll 211 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:53.879 put a little asterisk here and we'll come back to 212 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:58.240 it is good enough for a lot of kinds of 213 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:02.480 things that I that there's this mania, there's been a 214 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:06.840 mania for eight to ten years in business that AI 215 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.679 is coming and AI is going to automate XYZ. Well, 216 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:18.519 it only automates like rote work, but it can streamline 217 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:25.840 and simplify your access to what's really important. And so 218 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:33.399 you hit this equation where people need decompression time while 219 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:36.600 doing work, while doing intense work, and then going to 220 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:40.600 meetings which hopefully are actually doing things Unlike you know, 221 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.919 most executives now where it seems like their job is 222 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.879 putting people in meetings and wasting their time so they 223 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:51.799 can't get work done. But anyway, there's a lot of 224 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.000 things that you can make more efficient. But then the 225 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:59.320 burnout comes, because if anyone has worked in a high churn, 226 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:04.120 high volume kind of job of any kind that's very 227 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:09.919 manual and stuff, people burn out brutally and like in 228 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.159 there were industries I worked in where the average person 229 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.919 lasted twelve to eighteen months and if I stuck it 230 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:23.000 out long enough that and I was completely fried. But 231 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:26.200 it was good for me to learn that discipline. Yes, 232 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:29.279 the burnout do be like that. It was good to 233 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:34.480 learn that because it gives you a lot of perspective 234 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:37.799 and it gives you the appropriate like emotional detachment to 235 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:40.279 where you can separate like this is just the job, 236 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.720 and this is something I should be upset about. Right, 237 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:49.600 So by making people more efficient in these white collar jobs, 238 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:53.600 we're already at a situation where the average person is 239 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.039 like bringing work home with them. They have the stupid 240 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:00.879 device attached to them at all times. Bosses. You know, 241 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:05.480 I had a situation where I had someone complaining that 242 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:09.200 I wasn't responding to emails at ten am on Sunday 243 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:14.000 that were being sent by a client at nine am 244 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:18.399 on Sunday morning because I was in church with my family, 245 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:23.799 and the homosexual was like, you know, you really should 246 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.519 be paying closer attention to taking care of our client 247 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:35.879 and making them feel serviced. And yes, so people like 248 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:40.240 that world is going to become so incredibly disgruntled. But 249 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:45.200 at the same time, again because of outsourcing, because of automation, 250 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:49.440 because of frankly, things that get rid of, like good workers. 251 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:55.080 People are just happy to have a job, and a 252 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.759 lot of the like fake jobs that we saw introduced 253 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.759 in twenty twenty in twenty twenty one for you know, 254 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:05.319 special classifications of people. A lot of that stuff is 255 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:11.680 frankly going away out of necessity, but there's still room 256 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:14.599 for it in certain kinds of organizational structures. A lot 257 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:17.680 of the nonsense is going away, but their businesses are 258 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:22.160 like really embracing this really silly culty vibe to try 259 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.359 to keep people there and engaged. 260 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:31.640 So my to that point, Carl the sort of infamous 261 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:33.599 quote that I stole from one of my friends, and 262 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.759 he says, you know, this is basically repeated like a 263 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:42.279 mantra is well, we're not doing well, we're doing good, 264 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:47.119 you know, yeah, completely shifted, yes, completely shifting, Yes, the 265 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.319 sort of you know, goalposts. And one of the interesting 266 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:55.759 things that he brings up is that especially in kind 267 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:58.839 of non core areas, right, you know, areas of the 268 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:01.799 country that aren't you know, New York, LA, what have it, 269 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.440 that the corporate world is kind of behind the times, 270 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.319 especially in these small to mid sized companies. So they 271 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:13.240 are still going through kind of woke classic two or 272 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.000 three years past the sell by date. 273 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:19.599 And religious religious institutions do this as well, and conservative 274 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.559 coded institutions are in the same cycle. 275 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:25.000 Sorry, please go on, oh, one hundred percent. And you 276 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.880 see this with and and you know, I'm not a 277 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:29.880 Southern Baptist, but you see this with the guys you 278 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.160 know talking about what's going on at the SBC or 279 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:35.240 any of these other kind of evangelic organizations, that they 280 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.880 are going through what the corporate world did five ten 281 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.759 years ago. Uh, it's it's on a delay, right, even 282 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:47.160 with you know, the Internet expediting that process. But to 283 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.680 your to your point about AI, you know, I still 284 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:53.240 have some contacts in the healthcare world. I spent some 285 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.839 time there, and you know, one of the things that 286 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.480 has become really endemic there is you know, the replacement 287 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.880 of a lot of you know, patient facing roles. Yes. 288 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.559 For instance, you know what we would kind of derogatory 289 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:09.559 refer to as like the window witches, right, the people 290 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:11.440 who sit behind the glass and tell you where to go. 291 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:17.839 But right now, that is in a you know, auxiliary role. Right, 292 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:19.960 there's an iPad and you you know, use the little 293 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.920 a chatbot to sign in. But we all know where 294 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:25.880 that's going, right, And look, I'm not going to pretend 295 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.519 that you know, ladies who work at hospital front desks 296 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.160 are you know, the cornerstone of the economy. But that 297 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:35.920 is a job, right, and you see where that's going. 298 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:38.160 It's like, okay, well I can track this. And again, 299 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.880 you know, what does your eighty five year old grandmother 300 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:47.079 do with an ipades? Indeterminate exactly. That's not the real purpose, 301 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:49.160 you know, from kind of the top down on that. 302 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.279 And one of the interesting things, Carl that I'm kind 303 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:54.039 of curious to watch, and this came up in my 304 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:58.680 conversation with Peter Burtelow, but also my article at Chronicles, 305 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:01.559 which you can read. I'll drop excellent plugs. 306 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.799 By the way, sir, Yeah, look at that professional podcaster. 307 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:08.279 Yeah, and most of the time when I say that, 308 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:10.160 it's because I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to 309 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:12.559 unmute my mic. But was one of the things that 310 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:18.160 I've been sort of wondering about is the the fact that, 311 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:24.599 you know, immigration, migrant workers and offshoring has up until 312 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:29.599 relatively recently, primarily been a problem for dirty, stinky people. 313 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.519 We don't like speaking, of course, as the kind of 314 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.079 you know, coastal, ely liberal. 315 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.759 And software engineers who are dirty, stinky people we don't 316 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:42.640 like parting. Yeah, the c suite hates software developers. They really, 317 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.440 it's really, it's really insane anyway. 318 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:50.799 Sorry, you know, Javier Olivia, I think that this is 319 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:52.160 a good point. You know, it used to be you 320 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:54.160 would work, get a divorce, and then a heart attack 321 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:58.680 and crash out by fifty. They're taking our American birthright 322 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.759 to expect end to yourself in pursuit of an ultimately 323 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:10.799 meaningless career, and that will not stand. Uh where was 324 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.240 I before? Yeah, But one of the things that I've 325 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.839 been curious about is as that sort of goes up 326 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:17.880 the economic chain, you know, we're starting to see this 327 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.200 hit the kind of laptop class jobs. As you know, 328 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:23.559 these sort of you know, H one B and other 329 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:27.119 pieces are applied more and more broadly. I'm curious if 330 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:31.440 that demographic will move in their own economic interest or 331 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:35.160 if the kind of ideological connection to progress platitudes on 332 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:37.599 immigration are sort of buried too deep. Do you have 333 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:38.880 a thought on that, Carl. 334 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.599 It's it's you know, it's it's kind of hard to 335 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:50.480 it's kind of hard to know exactly how to respond 336 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.480 to that, because there's a We're going to see a 337 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:59.400 very interesting juggling act of all these things because frankly, 338 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:05.920 the the conditions that were under don't really they require 339 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:10.319 a pivot in all of their you know, framing of 340 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:14.319 these things that they're doing to us. And frankly, a 341 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:20.039 lot of business leaders have been struggling with this themselves. 342 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:26.480 Like you know, if you look at the the Silicon 343 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:29.720 Valley guys who threw in behind Trump when they realized 344 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.680 the shift and the coalitions, they were like, we need 345 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.720 to really do something because we are finally getting screwed 346 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:43.519 to it is. It is the the the irreconcilable contradictions 347 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:48.079 in the way this stuff has been you know, percolating 348 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.920 or hitting us now and keeping us from doing our thing, 349 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.039 and that one of the problems that we have out 350 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.440 here in prol Land is that there are a lot 351 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:02.680 of memes in the kind of like i'll say, quote 352 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:07.839 unquote dissidence space, but it's really the uh, it's really 353 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:17.519 the highly intelligent yet uh basically you know, shoved aside 354 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:21.200 white guy, competent, white guy world. And and there's there's 355 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.039 some like incompetent people in this that this applies to 356 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:28.440 as well, but generally like there's a there's a there 357 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.519 is an underlying rage, as Britney Wood points out again, 358 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.039 that that is percolating out there, and and a lot 359 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.960 of it was really fundamentally incorrect in a lot of 360 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:45.839 ways about presuppositions or they're they're direct they were directionally correct, 361 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:47.720 but a lot of the details are wrong as far 362 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.160 as like who's the one keeping you down? And people 363 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:56.559 consuming like the easily available propaganda spin associated with that, 364 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:59.920 like you know, it was like the Rockefellers and all 365 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.519 those guys. You know that there's this really there's this 366 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:08.759 muddled perspective on reality that in a lot of ways, 367 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:13.160 there's good points to it, but it becomes confused because 368 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:19.599 of just people being angry, frankly, and so as we 369 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:23.759 sort through all of these things and get directional and 370 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:28.440 realize that part of the problem is our individualistic attitudes 371 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:33.920 and our non nationalist attitudes. Although there's fair debates to 372 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.519 be had about how natural America is, you know, it's 373 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:43.599 given its empiric form rather than really national form. Maybe 374 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.759 although that could, we don't know how that's really going 375 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:51.319 to play out. It makes it a really interesting thing 376 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.480 because everyone has to shift their talking points based on 377 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:57.559 the conditions on the ground right now and the changes 378 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:01.519 and you you really do have to appeal to people 379 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.319 who could theoretically like do the thing to you. And 380 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:08.799 that's becoming like a plurality of America at this point 381 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.559 in time because everyone has been told like, screw you, 382 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:17.799 you don't matter. Well, little you know, Italian guys in 383 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.440 green hats appearing in the dark in New York City 384 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:27.359 and then disappearing again can become full heroes in more 385 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:34.079 ways than one, because you know, there's much ruin in 386 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:34.519 a nation. 387 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.559 So carl slight change the subject. When I went to 388 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:46.839 grab the link that chronicles piece comment section mostly very positive, 389 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.440 one negative piece rather negative one. You know, my opinion 390 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.559 on you know, the GOP's futile efforts to reaching out 391 00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:01.400 towards immigrants, minorities, and full name. I just decided let 392 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:05.960 me google the name. Who could have guessed? I'll leave 393 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.079 it to that. Who could have. 394 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:14.559 Many such cases? Did you look at a purse, a 395 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.960 picture of them or the early life? No? 396 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:20.720 I just went to u ancestry dot com. 397 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:25.000 Okay, what do you I mean? I know I can 398 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.079 I can tell just by looking at that name. 399 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.440 Well, you know what, Carl, I try to be a good, 400 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:32.039 good liberal. 401 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.160