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Speaker 1: You know, Carl, I went to an OGC party right

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not too long ago. It was really positive. A ton

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of guys out there. You know, the group in my

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kind of the city I live in has been begging

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me to show up, and you know, as super Jack

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Hack says, the Draco Owner effect is coming in strong.

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So I haven't been to anything, and it was awesome,

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a ton of guys there. But uh, you know, I

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got some feedback that was initially positive. Said you know.

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The guy was saying like, wow, I really like your show.

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But then he said something that I felt really offended by.

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I think you would be offended by two, and he

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said I think the shows are the best when you

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have nothing planned. And I got really upset, Carl, because

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that implied that you and I do anything less than

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dozens of hours of prep work for these times.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we always discussed the topic that we're gonna

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be talking about in advance.

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Speaker 1: We never hastily consider, you know, hey, what are you

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doing next Thursday? Nothing in between. Here's a link three

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minutes before exactly.

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Speaker 2: I know I this morning I was thinking about texting

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you what are you thinking about? But then I was like,

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fuck it?

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Speaker 1: Which is the unofficial tagline of this show. What are

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you working on, Carl?

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Speaker 2: What have I been working on? I am working on

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a screenplay with some people that we know, which I'm

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actually very excited about.

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Speaker 2: Been doing some other nonfiction writing and I am enjoying that

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trying to because you know, I've been putting out a

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lot of pieces on the Spanish Civil War for some

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time on my sub stack, and branching out and talking

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about other things and applying some rigor to it rather

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than it just being like posting right, is a really

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nice mental exercise. I've also been playing with AI, and

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it is the way i'd put it is, I don't

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think the AI apocalypse is here, but I think the

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white collar apocalypse is.

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Speaker 1: Here, whether or not.

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Speaker 2: It's deservedly so, because AI is good enough that you

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can automate enough things that, like the C suite is like,

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all right, let's cut thirty percent of our staff and

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the remainder get real nimble and you know, synergize those

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efficiencies and.

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Speaker 1: Good luck, Karl. Won't the quality of the product decline?

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my whole career has been automating my way up out

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of a job first, and then taking that technical knowledge

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and applying it at a slightly higher level, while still

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treating the people that do that kind of work like

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with respect and actually understanding what they need, but also

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watching people stop caring about anything other than like the

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ratings and it being up to the guy on the

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front line to just figure it out, Like are your

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clients unhappy? Figure it out? Are you having are you

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not equipped with the tools to and the products that

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are you know, hitting in the way that we that

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we promise Figure it out, spin it And there's an

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element to where that can work for so long. Yes,

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Britney would eighteen ninety six excellent year for semi automatic weapons.

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Private equity buys your company and then it becomes about

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just cutting it to the bone, looking at the Ebadah numbers.

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to the post two thousand and six two thousand and eight,

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like it really like the economy really went off a

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cliff in two thousand and eight, where you know, businesses

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operate like modern American businesses are a bust out slash

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like money cycling thing where where cheap money, free money

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basically keep props things up. And the amount of businesses

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out there that have these massive valuations that actually are

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just hemorrhaging money is a major portion of the market.

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Speaker 1: It's wild well and and to that point, it's actually

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something I talked about with friend of the show Stormy

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Waters and a show that is up behind the paywall.

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as should be very apparent to you, carl uh. But

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all in all seriousness, right, One of the things that

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we basically been in a recession since eight The way

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that those terms are calculated is constantly changed. The one

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many Republican There's there's this whole switchereroo that the parties

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basically wears out it's welcome, and then the other party

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on this piece that I mentioned to you before, where

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like gun control, a gun control timeline where things transitioned

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and a lot of it basically being like European lore,

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which is like as like you know, scumback eggs who

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in a dungeon or execute them. And then also like

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people who aren't white can't have guns unless like the

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state says it's okay, like that's that's literally European law

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for thousands of years, and that's pretty much like much

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of the world at at a certain level of development.

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the frankly major traction for federal gun control came under

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the if you examined the redefining of terms and the

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recalculation of terms, you know, like cost of living index

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doesn't involve food, but it does involve big screen TVs.

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those like ancillary details of your life.

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Speaker 2: My minor, minor things. It's so like if if mister

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index would be like secondhand weapons and weapon accessories would

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companies in private equity. One of the other questions that's

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already riding the wave of just basic inflation and then

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or your stock price can on paper explode while not

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actually doing anything to benefit the company itself. You know,

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and it's been a while since we've you know, talked

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to Carl, is you know, the massive tech offshoring, right,

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companies like Amazon and Google laying off over ten thousand

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workers apiece and employing tens of thousands in mostly India.

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we say ethno sectarian component to that. I will leave

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my viewers to decide. But also and they'll all say yes, yeah, yes,

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saving measure. You don't have to pay benefits to these people.

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socialists say a livable wage in America, you can you know,

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hire these people at three to one. And does it

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make the product worst? Sure? Well, does it make the

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product worse in a fast enough time span for the

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people sitting at the top to care about it? Exactly? No,

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clearly not.

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Speaker 2: And you know, on top of that, I have this, uh,

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it's based on my experience in the in the business world,

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servicing Fortune one hundred companies, uh, you know, servicing them

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in however however you want to interpret that term. It

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feels like sometimes this is a this is a highly

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planed tactical stream. We are going to be using hand

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planers wooden blocks with pieces of sharpened iron in it

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to plane things by by the time this this bubble bursts.

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an illustration. When my father was twenty four years old

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docs me or anything, he shared a secretary with four

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other executives under him and his company. He had a

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it is good enough for a lot of kinds of

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mania for eight to ten years in business that AI

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it only automates like rote work, but it can streamline

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and simplify your access to what's really important. And so

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doing work, while doing intense work, and then going to

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meetings which hopefully are actually doing things Unlike you know,

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most executives now where it seems like their job is

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putting people in meetings and wasting their time so they

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high volume kind of job of any kind that's very

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the burnout do be like that. It was good to

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and this is something I should be upset about. Right,

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device attached to them at all times. Bosses. You know,

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I wasn't responding to emails at ten am on Sunday

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that were being sent by a client at nine am

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on Sunday morning because I was in church with my family,

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and the homosexual was like, you know, you really should

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be paying closer attention to taking care of our client

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and making them feel serviced. And yes, so people like

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that world is going to become so incredibly disgruntled. But

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at the same time, again because of outsourcing, because of automation,

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because of frankly, things that get rid of, like good workers.

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lot of the like fake jobs that we saw introduced

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in twenty twenty in twenty twenty one for you know,

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special classifications of people. A lot of that stuff is

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frankly going away out of necessity, but there's still room

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for it in certain kinds of organizational structures. A lot

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of the nonsense is going away, but their businesses are

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like really embracing this really silly culty vibe to try

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to keep people there and engaged.

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Speaker 1: So my to that point, Carl the sort of infamous

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quote that I stole from one of my friends, and

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he says, you know, this is basically repeated like a

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mantra is well, we're not doing well, we're doing good,

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you know, yeah, completely shifted, yes, completely shifting, Yes, the

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sort of you know, goalposts. And one of the interesting

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things that he brings up is that especially in kind

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of non core areas, right, you know, areas of the

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country that aren't you know, New York, LA, what have it,

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that the corporate world is kind of behind the times,

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especially in these small to mid sized companies. So they

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are still going through kind of woke classic two or

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three years past the sell by date.

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Speaker 2: And religious religious institutions do this as well, and conservative

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coded institutions are in the same cycle.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, please go on, oh, one hundred percent. And you

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see this with and and you know, I'm not a

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Southern Baptist, but you see this with the guys you

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know talking about what's going on at the SBC or

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any of these other kind of evangelic organizations, that they

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are going through what the corporate world did five ten

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years ago. Uh, it's it's on a delay, right, even

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with you know, the Internet expediting that process. But to

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your to your point about AI, you know, I still

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have some contacts in the healthcare world. I spent some

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time there, and you know, one of the things that

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has become really endemic there is you know, the replacement

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of a lot of you know, patient facing roles. Yes.

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refer to as like the window witches, right, the people

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who sit behind the glass and tell you where to go.

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But right now, that is in a you know, auxiliary role. Right,

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there's an iPad and you you know, use the little

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a chatbot to sign in. But we all know where

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that's going, right, And look, I'm not going to pretend

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that you know, ladies who work at hospital front desks

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are you know, the cornerstone of the economy. But that

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is a job, right, and you see where that's going.

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It's like, okay, well I can track this. And again,

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you know, what does your eighty five year old grandmother

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do with an ipades? Indeterminate exactly. That's not the real purpose,

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you know, from kind of the top down on that.

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And one of the interesting things, Carl that I'm kind

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of curious to watch, and this came up in my

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conversation with Peter Burtelow, but also my article at Chronicles,

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which you can read. I'll drop excellent plugs.

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Speaker 2: By the way, sir, Yeah, look at that professional podcaster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and most of the time when I say that,

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it's because I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to

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unmute my mic. But was one of the things that

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I've been sort of wondering about is the the fact that,

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you know, immigration, migrant workers and offshoring has up until

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relatively recently, primarily been a problem for dirty, stinky people.

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We don't like speaking, of course, as the kind of

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you know, coastal, ely liberal.

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Speaker 2: And software engineers who are dirty, stinky people we don't

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like parting. Yeah, the c suite hates software developers. They really,

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it's really, it's really insane anyway.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, you know, Javier Olivia, I think that this is

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a good point. You know, it used to be you

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would work, get a divorce, and then a heart attack

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and crash out by fifty. They're taking our American birthright

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to expect end to yourself in pursuit of an ultimately

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meaningless career, and that will not stand. Uh where was

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I before? Yeah, But one of the things that I've

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been curious about is as that sort of goes up

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the economic chain, you know, we're starting to see this

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hit the kind of laptop class jobs. As you know,

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these sort of you know, H one B and other

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pieces are applied more and more broadly. I'm curious if

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that demographic will move in their own economic interest or

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if the kind of ideological connection to progress platitudes on

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immigration are sort of buried too deep. Do you have

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a thought on that, Carl.

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Speaker 2: It's it's you know, it's it's kind of hard to

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it's kind of hard to know exactly how to respond

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to that, because there's a We're going to see a

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very interesting juggling act of all these things because frankly,

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the the conditions that were under don't really they require

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a pivot in all of their you know, framing of

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these things that they're doing to us. And frankly, a

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lot of business leaders have been struggling with this themselves.

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Like you know, if you look at the the Silicon

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Valley guys who threw in behind Trump when they realized

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the shift and the coalitions, they were like, we need

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to really do something because we are finally getting screwed

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to it is. It is the the the irreconcilable contradictions

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in the way this stuff has been you know, percolating

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or hitting us now and keeping us from doing our thing,

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and that one of the problems that we have out

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here in prol Land is that there are a lot

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of memes in the kind of like i'll say, quote

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unquote dissidence space, but it's really the uh, it's really

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the highly intelligent yet uh basically you know, shoved aside

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white guy, competent, white guy world. And and there's there's

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some like incompetent people in this that this applies to

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as well, but generally like there's a there's a there

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is an underlying rage, as Britney Wood points out again,

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that that is percolating out there, and and a lot

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of it was really fundamentally incorrect in a lot of

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ways about presuppositions or they're they're direct they were directionally correct,

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but a lot of the details are wrong as far

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as like who's the one keeping you down? And people

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consuming like the easily available propaganda spin associated with that,

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like you know, it was like the Rockefellers and all

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those guys. You know that there's this really there's this

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muddled perspective on reality that in a lot of ways,

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there's good points to it, but it becomes confused because

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of just people being angry, frankly, and so as we

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sort through all of these things and get directional and

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realize that part of the problem is our individualistic attitudes

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and our non nationalist attitudes. Although there's fair debates to

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be had about how natural America is, you know, it's

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given its empiric form rather than really national form. Maybe

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although that could, we don't know how that's really going

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to play out. It makes it a really interesting thing

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because everyone has to shift their talking points based on

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the conditions on the ground right now and the changes

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and you you really do have to appeal to people

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who could theoretically like do the thing to you. And

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that's becoming like a plurality of America at this point

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in time because everyone has been told like, screw you,

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you don't matter. Well, little you know, Italian guys in

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green hats appearing in the dark in New York City

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and then disappearing again can become full heroes in more

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ways than one, because you know, there's much ruin in

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a nation.

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Speaker 1: So carl slight change the subject. When I went to

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grab the link that chronicles piece comment section mostly very positive,

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one negative piece rather negative one. You know, my opinion

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on you know, the GOP's futile efforts to reaching out

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towards immigrants, minorities, and full name. I just decided let

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me google the name. Who could have guessed? I'll leave

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it to that. Who could have.

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Speaker 2: Many such cases? Did you look at a purse, a

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picture of them or the early life? No?

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Speaker 1: I just went to u ancestry dot com.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you I mean? I know I can

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I can tell just by looking at that name.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, Carl, I try to be a good,

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good liberal.

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Speaker 2: He gave me the benefit of the doubt. You you

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said I want to be I want to be sure. Yeah,

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A true camp A true camper doesn't even have to

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consult that information. Uh, I see, I see uh Tyson

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Hockley and chat. We do have an episode scheduled. I'm

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excited to get him.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice. Yeah, yeah, the uh this has been I

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don't ever intend uh to have themes right when I

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when I do, like weeks of program, but like the

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last two weeks have just turned into the the UK

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and Canada just back to back with more on the

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way anyway, point being uh, yeah, it's I think that

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that's a very that matches up with what I've what

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I have sort of anecdotally seen, and you see every

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couple of weeks there's sort of this continual dialogue of

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you know, I shouldlways say Hindu nationalist type you know, blaming,

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uh you know, Pakistan disinformation Uh, you know retired YouTube

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star qud Pie for you know, normalizing uh, you know,

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a negative opinion of you know, his nation. And I

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think what's interesting is that, you know, almost invariably there's

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the you know, the quote tweet dunk that's like, no,

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it's not yet. You guys just started showing up. Yeah,

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And honestly, like, to me, the the first I really heard, like,

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you know, anything really about India at all other than

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just to like, you know, nations of the world kind

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of thing, uh was you know the Bobs and Jean saga,

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which was very very early, you know, back in the

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days where Facebook was still relevant. Yeah. It was you know,

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just the most insane, illiterate sexual aggression, which, let's be honest,

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very very funny, uh open cloth you know show show

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Bobs like it was pretty funny, but you know, the

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idea that this is just simply some sort of like

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you know, psyop campaign, right, I think is completely and

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totally inaccurate. And to that point, even in you know,

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shall we say kind of like genteel progressive settings, uh,

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you see those ideas, uh, due to cultural differences, I'll

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put it that way. And I'm curious to see how

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that develops, especially as the the kind of consequences of

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you know, you know, the kind of open marketplace of

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labor continue to be felt kind of up and down

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the the socioeconomic ladder. Point for another stream perhaps, But Corey,

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you have written a pretty interesting article, which admittedly you

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sent at roughly three am my time, so I haven't

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had a chance to go through it because I am

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an old man and go to bed promptly at nine

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to fifty five. But point is right. It's a pretty

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interesting idea, and obviously you know you're putting it out

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for publication. I'm not asking you to go through it.

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But in my state, apparently New Mexico, you know a

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few others, right, gun control is on the table again. Yeah,

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and you know you and I were even talking about

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it before we before we got going. This is in

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the last episode we had with Artic Wolf.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was inspired by our conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I'm curious if you could, you know,

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not trying to get you to spoil the article, but

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could you describe like your thought process and you know

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what you you took away from that last conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So to summarize I as as much as I

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talk about subjects that are very negative, uh like, and

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you have to understand that these things are negative. I

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try to be the white pill guy, like we're in

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a mutual group chat where I'm almost inevitably the like,

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but think about it this way, they're screwing themselves and

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that's what's good. I always try to spin it that way.

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It doesn't mean like that dark times aren't a head.

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I'm just very confident, and frankly, a huge amount of

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that is.

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Speaker 1: I feel like.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna sound insane, but my religious faith allows

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me to put things into perspective on a very long timeline,

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and I become very fatalistic about theme things. And maybe

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I've read Dune too many times, but like you, when

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you see a trend that is inevitable, it doesn't make

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sense to fixate on it and and be like, oh

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whoe is me. There's there's this line from the Hagaqua,

477
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:20,160
which is Japanese. And yes, I have I have weebish tendencies,

478
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,000
but but there's great wisdom in it. And and it

479
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:30,680
fits into the Christian ethos as well, which is you're

480
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:37,599
walking through a town and there's a rainstorm. The man

481
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,880
who like ducks in and out of under the eaves

482
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,880
of houses to like try not to get wet as

483
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,640
much or to avoid getting wet, still gets just as

484
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,480
soaked as the man who walks right down the middle

485
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:54,279
of the road, you know, on a long enough timeline, right,

486
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,240
So like, if you're standing under the eaves of a

487
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:02,119
house and it's raining, you're fine. But if you're walking

488
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,000
along the road, you're gonna get soaking wet no matter what.

489
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,480
But you will become, uh, you will become perplexed. If

490
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,680
you're trying not to get wet. It's it's you. If

491
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,240
you resolve yourself and you accept that you're going to

492
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,640
get wet, you're fine. And uh, Carl Doll is all

493
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,039
about getting wet anyway.

494
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: Anyway.

495
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: So my point is, my point is gun control is this,

496
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:36,960
and and the legal the the the legal regulatory world

497
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,640
of things. Uh, yes they're real. Yes, they're a consideration.

498
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,240
But what really matters is what these things are for.

499
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:49,880
And this isn't a hobby where dumping you know, mag

500
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,200
dumping at nine hundred rpm into a hillside, while fun

501
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,960
is like the purpose of these devices, right, the second

502
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:04,160
Amendment isn't a hobby or a lifestyle, which is something

503
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,880
that you see all the time online. And it's insane

504
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,599
to think that you need and don't misinterpret my words,

505
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:20,240
but if you have a functioning ar fifteen thirty thirty

506
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:24,519
round magazines a bunch of twenties because they're handy and

507
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,240
parts and load out like, you're pretty good to go,

508
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,480
and so you should just train with that weapon. And

509
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,759
so it's not the end of the world to be

510
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,559
grandfathered in when a state restriction is put in place. Also,

511
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,000
state level restrictions really on a long enough timeline are

512
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:50,240
not that big of a deal, you know, like the

513
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,160
people and I'm not saying you shouldn't fight it, of

514
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,839
course you should fight it in more ways than one,

515
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:03,039
but lawfully legally. But like, given the trend line as

516
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:06,079
to where we are in America twenty twenty six and

517
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:10,360
what the future holds for us, like this is not

518
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,280
the time to panic and move to Arizona so that

519
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,079
you can stay inside a house that you only leave

520
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,800
because you have air conditioning. And then three months out

521
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,559
of the year, you pat yourself on the back for

522
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,480
your low tax rate and mag dump you know, Folato

523
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:32,400
into into a dirt berm in the desert. Like it's

524
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:39,039
insane that this defeatist mentality of running away and accepting

525
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:45,000
your fate. You knows as you're defeated, but you pat

526
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,400
yourself on the back for your freedoms in a state

527
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:53,480
that is like rapidly becoming Mexican. That running away you

528
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:58,360
will not survive and your your children and grandchildren will

529
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,119
not survive with a running away way mentality. You have

530
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,239
to confront this stuff and the time for that, uh

531
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:15,360
is coming. And on the federal level, the deregulations are

532
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,440
coming hot and heavy, and a lot of it is

533
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:26,760
basically inevitable from nullification. Yes, lots of widows selling millsyrup

534
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:33,079
in Arizona, that's true by them. There's I'm not saying.

535
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,400
I'm not saying that, Like you shouldn't take advantage of

536
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,719
the fact that that boomers with you know, massive gun

537
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,199
collections dying, you know, isn't something that you can avail

538
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,440
yourself of that. The the boomer amassing of these great

539
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:55,639
things and the skyrocketing and these prices is being countered

540
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,239
by boomer attrition, general lack of money out there anyway,

541
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:05,960
and gluts of these weapons like World War two stuff.

542
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,840
It for example, is coming down in price in reality

543
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,000
when people actually want to sell stuff, like if you're

544
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,639
buying it from like a specialty website, that their price

545
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,880
is skyrocket. But you can get stuff out there. And

546
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,199
then as the boomers die off, as the people with

547
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,599
massive disposable incomes die off, they're not being replaced by

548
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:33,440
people with massive disposable incomes. And nearly the numbers that

549
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,559
you're used to. Ten years from now, you're going to

550
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:38,239
be able to get an M one carbon or a

551
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,119
grand right. Yes, you can buy thermal imaging and night

552
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:50,320
vision in Virginia. You can buy level floor four plates,

553
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,360
get multi curve. Single curve like works on paper, but

554
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,280
it gets very uncomfortable. Trust me, you're gonna want multi curve.

555
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,159
You can get all all the stuff that you need.

556
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:08,320
And then and you have enough to defend yourself individually

557
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,599
and collectively. And the important thing here is that the

558
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:16,199
only way we win and advance against these incursions against

559
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,360
us by our enemies is by asserting our historic rights,

560
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:26,199
which is not because there's a piece of paper, it's

561
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:32,199
because we because we say so, and we back it

562
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,960
up and ten years from now, like some thing some

563
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:41,239
libtard says, you know, and has a piece of paper

564
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,880
that like a Bangladeshi can can take away your your

565
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,719
European rights to arms as an individual. Like people will

566
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,159
be laughing about that with their feed up on like

567
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,880
structures made of human skulls like I. It's it's completely

568
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,679
saying that people think that twenty twenty six is nineteen

569
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:11,159
eighty two. We saw if you go back to nineteen

570
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:17,440
sixty one, there was almost no on paper legal carry

571
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,880
permits issued with outside of like friends of the cops

572
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,880
and the elites around the whole country. However, regular people

573
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,360
were carrying guns all the time and it wasn't a problem.

574
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,280
The police would generally be like, we're going to enforce

575
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:39,119
it against like the problems, and you would have some

576
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:42,639
sort of positive defense like oh, well you're a business

577
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:44,599
owner and you were carrying a lot of money and

578
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,440
you were on your way to your business. Whatever. They

579
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,800
would make allowances for people, but then because everyone has

580
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,079
equal rights, they had to start enforcing the law, and immediately,

581
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,760
shallice you carry became a thing. Washington State was the

582
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,639
first state in America in nineteen sixty one to adopt

583
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:09,760
shall issue carry laws, so they required that if you

584
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,440
were not a felon and you weren't a problem, they

585
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,880
had to issue you a carry permit when you requested

586
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,280
one and paid for one, and there was no test

587
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,119
or anything like that. And now we have and Texas,

588
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,079
the wonderful state of Texas that everyone thinks is so based,

589
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:33,199
didn't have concealed carry laws until nineteen ninety five, like

590
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,519
it was in the eighties and nineties when things really

591
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:41,079
shifted to where the South had shall issue carry laws.

592
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:45,159
And now all these places have constitutional carry right, which is,

593
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:48,920
if you're not Don Quavius, you can carry. You can

594
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,800
go strapped, concealed carried, or open carry. You should probably

595
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,360
concealed carrie, but you should also not care if people

596
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,719
know you're armed. There's a difference between that and open carry.

597
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,639
So these trends shift all the time. The NFA, like

598
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,400
huge portions of the NFA are basically going to be

599
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,440
gone forever on the federal level because one, people introduce

600
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:25,679
devices which basically used federal equal protection laws to make

601
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,639
short bailed rifles and short bailed shotguns like those laws

602
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:36,639
almost basically unenforceable, and so legislators said this is nonsense

603
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,960
atf basically agreed, and now you have short bailed rifles

604
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,920
and short barreled shotguns with no tax on a tax law,

605
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,639
which means it's going to get thrown out probably within

606
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:58,280
a year, and so you're welcome suppressors. Also, suppressors make

607
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,239
a lot of sense. They're a safety to device, et cetera.

608
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:08,599
This is a back end legalization of and deregulation of suppressors.

609
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,920
So on the federal level, the Feds are being swamped

610
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:19,159
by technologies. Here's another one, forcedryset triggers and super safeties.

611
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,639
They technically, because of the way they're constructed and their

612
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:31,000
mechanisms function in compliance with or or in such a

613
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:36,880
fashion that they pass muster at the federal level as

614
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,039
being semi automatic and not a machine gun, right, but

615
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:45,760
they have highly semi automatic function. They're fully semi automatic, right,

616
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:54,320
and so that is essentially protected thoroughly at the federal level,

617
00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,320
which means there's another challenge to the NFA right there,

618
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,199
just sitting there, pulsating in front of us, Like, what's

619
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,559
the real difference. So these things are happening on the

620
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:14,719
federal level because the scaffolding of legal restrictions that were

621
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,719
imposed upon us during the twentieth century don't really pass

622
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:27,039
muster logically, coherently, constitutionally, and historically. So those are going away.

623
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,119
So you have state laws and the libtards are like, well,

624
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,960
we can do anything because we're just gonna shove it

625
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,440
down your throat because we you know, we gerrymander and

626
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,519
do X y Z till we own you forever. Is

627
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:45,119
that going to continue? I'm pretty skeptical. Is it gonna

628
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,440
It can continue for a while, but is it going

629
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:51,199
to continue past the point of like the thing that's

630
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,519
looming ahead of us?

631
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:53,559
Speaker 1: Uh?

632
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: Probably not. So don't despair. Stack the stuff that you

633
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:05,599
need first and take care of it in a logically

634
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,840
coherent way. My article is about that. But it's also

635
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,920
not the end of the world. If you're stuck with

636
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:15,199
like semi automatic shotguns that don't have pistol grips. Those

637
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:20,760
are incredible weapons for blowing holes in people. They're basically

638
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,480
the best ever law enforcement has been using semi automatic

639
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:30,519
shotguns cut down with extended magazine tubes since nineteen hundred.

640
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,559
You know, there's a lot of things that you should

641
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:36,719
really not worry that much about in terms of the

642
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,239
general trends, but most importantly assert yourself and yes, proliferation

643
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,119
is the real second amendment. Like this runaway, I'm going

644
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:51,400
to go retire and live in Texas because Texas is

645
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,639
so wonderful. Give me a break like that, This mentality

646
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,239
is all wrong. We need to start. We need to

647
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:04,760
start to think about nullification, clustering in our zones, reinforcing

648
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,440
each other, establishing parallel institutions, and resisting these things as collectives.

649
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,679
And this gets us going. This gets us, This just

650
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,719
helps get us started. And frankly, these economic indicators get

651
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,800
us started in that because what makes you dependent on

652
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,280
the system is being dependent on those good boy points

653
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:31,119
from these jobs that are going away. AI empowers you

654
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:38,320
as an individual to have capabilities finally, like barely right now,

655
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,719
like I'm starting to be I'm starting to believe. I'm like, wow,

656
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,880
this is actually really useful to me as an individual.

657
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,559
I'm using AI for stuff that it couldn't do a

658
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:54,440
month ago. That is streamlining my productivity in certain projects

659
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,159
that I have, and.

660
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:01,559
Speaker 1: It's great.

661
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: And so by using these things like smart intelligent people,

662
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,920
we have to separate ourselves from our dependence on this

663
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:17,280
system and reassert ourselves by establishing our own systems lawfully, legally,

664
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:20,679
thank you.

665
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so several things there. One, even if you are

666
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:32,559
heavily behind enemy lines with nothing to your name, right,

667
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,159
to be honest, you can do way worse than a

668
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:38,880
CMPM one grand. Yes, okay, it's a little long, but

669
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,000
they're they're quite shootable, and to be perfectly honest, like

670
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,920
you can you can do a lot with that. But

671
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:51,679
I'm highlighting this comment from Josh Pulver, and I'm not

672
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,960
jumping on this guy. I think that this is a common, yes,

673
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,639
a common objection. Right. The problem is we can only

674
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:02,119
have small arms. What is allowed to civilians is basically

675
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,480
World War one small arms tech with some extra lights

676
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,719
and lasers. We don't stand a chance against air sea capabilities.

677
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,519
I mean, yes, one hundred percent, right. But this whole

678
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:17,280
like resisting tyranny frame, you know that this whole kind

679
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,760
of seventeen seventy six frame, in my mind, is completely

680
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,519
and totally the wrong way to look at it. Yes,

681
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,199
friend of the show Andrew Edwards wrote a really interesting novel,

682
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,239
King of Dogs, and he's obviously a very capable tracker

683
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,760
survivalist type himself. That's probably a slur, but he's a

684
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,079
capable guy. So the technical aspects of it are quite good.

685
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,000
Albeit it was sort of written before drones, so there's

686
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,079
some stuff missing there. But what he's basically talking about

687
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,519
is not some sort of like you know, great rise

688
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:54,920
up rebellion, but basically sort of the South Africa situation.

689
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,920
You know, where things just get way worse. You know

690
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,920
that there's still technically a government. There are still you know,

691
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,760
big corporations and PMCs and criminal gangs, but a lot

692
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,920
of stuff there just isn't much rule of law. And

693
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,760
so if you look at a place like South Africa,

694
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,599
it's like, well, okay, like those guys have on paper

695
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,880
about the same gun law as we do. Yeah, are

696
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,880
those enforced?

697
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: No?

698
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: But is that a useful thing to have for obvious reasons, right,

699
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,400
it is a dangerous place to be. Your physical security

700
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,960
is your own responsibility, and the physical security of your

701
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,840
community is your own responsibility. You saw this five years ago.

702
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,400
There were a bunch of I think they called them

703
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,199
like the taxi cab riots. I can't remember. I talked

704
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,400
to South Africans enough, but a garbage on their histories.

705
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,679
They can all tell you. But when these big riots

706
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:50,039
were happening, the colored community, which is not a slur,

707
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:53,559
it's an actual ethnic group there, basically had their roof

708
00:47:53,639 --> 00:48:00,679
Korean moment. And okay, sure there's more of a government

709
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,320
there in South Africa than there could be in you

710
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,000
know a place like Somalia or Libya. But those guys

711
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,639
didn't get prosecuted. There's not really a way to get

712
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:11,440
it prosecuted.

713
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: Correct.

714
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: Their businesses didn't get burnt down. And okay, yeah, if

715
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,320
the rioters had had you know, offshore naval assets, they'd

716
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,480
be screwed. But that's not really the situation they're in.

717
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,239
And I see Sean Wyland talking about, you know, the

718
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,639
mindset that you see among certain you know, gun tubers,

719
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,800
like you know, brass facts and hop who I've spoken

720
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,840
to before, the prepared citizen. And you know, I may

721
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,400
have differences in you know, belief for framing with those

722
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,679
two guys, but I think that is an acceptable, like

723
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,039
a good way to look at it, which is like,

724
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:51,239
look you're not trying to fight the fence. You shouldn't

725
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,679
do that. It's illegal. But also like, yeah, one hundred percent,

726
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,760
like they have predator druns, right, they can send a

727
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,440
group of you know, uh, you know, you know, FBI

728
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,320
HR three to kick down your door and turn you

729
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,719
into chef Boyardy. That's not the point, but the point

730
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,280
is right, if you're looking at the trajectory of this thing,

731
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:16,440
this country, this nation, we've already seen pretty dramatic declines

732
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,079
in the rule of law. You know, you and I

733
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:22,159
have been talking about the normalization of political violence for months. Now.

734
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:28,920
What's the murder clearance? Right? It is pretty low and

735
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:31,480
I am not a fan of murder. We only take

736
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:35,519
Britain stances murders show. But at the same time, it's like, okay, well,

737
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,639
like if present trends continue, it is a wise thing

738
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:45,320
to invest in. By the way, I just want to

739
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,400
do this because I'll forget otherwise. We have a few, uh,

740
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,159
we have a few super chats from the last couple shows.

741
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,400
By the way, if you want to send super chats, no,

742
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,440
two things. One I will read them. And two, now

743
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,960
that Karl and I are gonna be doing these lives

744
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,000
dreams more regularly. Half everything goes to Carl. So if

745
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:05,199
you think I'm an idiot I don't want to give

746
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,760
him money, well guess what have Let's going to Carl.

747
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,360
So just a few and then we can continue with

748
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,119
this conversation and a few comments I want to hire

749
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,960
or want to highlight rather. Paladin yyz very generously like

750
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,000
almost as soon as I pressed the end stream button,

751
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,119
sent in a very large super chat where he said,

752
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,239
not the kind of podcast I can just PLoP into

753
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,960
forty five minutes late. We'll have to rewatch great guest.

754
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,480
I agree, Ardwolf is a great guest, and Paladin is

755
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,480
very generous. These last two were on my streams with Arch.

756
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,239
Go back and check those out. I think that came

757
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,960
out on the twenty ninth. I used to listen to

758
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:41,960
Arch every night to go to sleep. He convinced me

759
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,239
that Warhammer forty K was real, actually very similar. Warhammer

760
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,760
forty K is real, and I used to listen to

761
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,320
Arch when I worked horrible manual jobs. For instance, I

762
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,280
was telling one of my buddies about this is just

763
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,119
as horrible disaster I was doing. Thai all was supposed

764
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:01,920
to be, you know, putting fake styrofoam stones on a

765
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,880
fireplace was stupid. But anyway, the guy was working for

766
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,639
he didn't often do this, but he was the contractor

767
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,800
for a full floor renovation, right so the kitchen, so

768
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,880
he had cabinet guys doing that, and the wood floors

769
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,280
were supposed to be refinished, and the guy he got

770
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,360
to do them didn't do his job correctly, didn't prep everything.

771
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,760
So he refinished the floors and when he put the

772
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,920
top coat on, it basically like beat it up on

773
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:33,119
top and then froze like a rock, so it looked

774
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:35,760
like like tree sap, right, just like these little like

775
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,800
clear bubbles. And so for basically a week and a half,

776
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,840
because this guy wouldn't show up to fix his work,

777
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,880
I was standing and mopping the floors with this like

778
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,679
horrible gummy half cubed cured resin. And the whole time

779
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,360
I was listening to arch Warhammer, specifically his series on

780
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:56,079
the Siege of Rocks, which is quite good. I highly

781
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:57,800
recommend it if you can still find it.

782
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

783
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't read your name, but you are correct

784
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,440
generally speaking. One more from that same one. The best

785
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,519
answer to all of this is trump Buddha. Yes, sort

786
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:17,559
of mode. I try to emulate, right. So anyway, Sorry

787
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:22,760
that was a big, big digression, but I see a

788
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,639
guy talking about last thing you need is kind of

789
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:27,639
an affordable rifle. Basically, not to get too into this

790
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,760
like autisma. Wise, buy a stripped lower if you're handy

791
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,840
with tools, put it together. Yeah, it'll be like one

792
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,760
hundred bucks. Honestly, go to piece Geek and get one

793
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,920
for thirty bucks. I own a bunch of them. The

794
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,519
parts are another eighty ninety bucks. And then get you

795
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,960
a sensible sixteen inch free float upper from a company

796
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,119
that you've heard of all in your probably five six

797
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,599
hundred bucks or something that's fully capable. Not to get

798
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,400
too much into the autism, but if you don't know

799
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,159
where to go, that'll work. And when I say decent company,

800
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:04,280
I don't mean like BCA Anderson Rip, like DPMs anything like. Honestly,

801
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,400
the mid tier PSA stuff is perfectly fine, especially if

802
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,639
you're you know, competent enough to check that everything was

803
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,719
correctly installed by Don Quavius.

804
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,119
Speaker 2: It probably was, given that they're in Lakewood, Washington.

805
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:27,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Sorry, I just expel this cat. Oh

806
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,519
we had a forty dollars super chat very generous from

807
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,079
Superjackhack two. I just want to give Carl his twenty

808
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:35,840
bucks and all that implies. Let me tell you, with

809
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,320
Carl that gets you a lot. Carl is the originator

810
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,559
and popularizer of the phrase I'm not gay, but twenty

811
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:50,920
dollars is twenty dollars in the same group chat you

812
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,880
were you were talking about earlier, you don't just gotta

813
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,559
I will get too much into it, but it's got

814
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:58,159
people you have heard of. You're a lot like basically

815
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:02,480
like the Inquisition group chat. And for whatever reason, Carl,

816
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:07,000
and genuinely, I'm so sorry for this. We've all just

817
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:11,079
decided to make fun of Carl constantly because you were

818
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:14,559
by far the nicest person in the group chat. It's

819
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:20,480
just the most slandered me, and so I'd like to apologize.

820
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,239
I won't stop doing it, but I do at least

821
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:29,079
feel bad about it. And then Josh Pulver with the

822
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:31,559
very correct advice just do an arrow lower and a

823
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,880
bcm upper. Yeah, honestly, it's it's the it's the reddit build,

824
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,360
but it's it's great. It's what you should do if

825
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,000
you have the money. If you don't, you might need

826
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:42,199
to be a little more creative, but it's it's not

827
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:50,760
rocket science. Are you still there? Hmmm? Carl is not there,

828
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:57,800
so we'll vamp for a little bit. Uh, all right,

829
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:06,079
and Sean, I will neither confirm nor deny certain rumors,

830
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:10,719
but some have said that, yeah, I think what I

831
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,679
might do there goes Carl or the sort of second

832
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,719
half of this I've got another forty five minutes is

833
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,199
go through my article on Chronicles Magazine. I sent the

834
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,440
link to it. If you don't mind go over there

835
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:32,719
leave them a comment. It helps me out. You know,

836
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,400
I'm trying to do more writing. But the context of

837
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,920
this will be familiar to those who've heard me talk, right,

838
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,440
I kind of develop ideas live on air, and then

839
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,239
you know, go from there and turn it into an article.

840
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,920
And I won't be doing a direct read through, just

841
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,159
kind of going through this article I should take down.

842
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:53,719
That's a horrible message to have stuck over my face

843
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,920
while I read something serious. I'm going to use it

844
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,079
as an outline. Right, So the name in this article

845
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:03,400
is called insert of Natural Conservatives by me Jay Burden

846
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:07,280
in Chronicles Magazine. So basically I start off by going

847
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,320
through the sort of platitudes of the conservative movement, things like,

848
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:16,239
you know, family values, hard working Americans. Yeah, the kind

849
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,559
of mostly harmless phrases that you can hear in any

850
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,199
RNC speech since you know, really the eighties, but particularly

851
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:29,840
I drew attention to one natural conservatives or natural Republicans

852
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,719
and this idea that conservative or culturally conservative immigrant groups

853
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,639
will inevitably become GOP voters. Right. This is an idea

854
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:42,400
that over the past forty years has just been repeated

855
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,400
ad nausea. Endless amounts of money, endless amount of time

856
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:52,079
has been spent pursuing this goal. And additionally, anyone who

857
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,320
dissents from it is perched. You know, they're just thrown out.

858
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,360
And yes, I will be getting the super chats in

859
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,679
a little bit. I just want to go through this

860
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,360
to kind of keep going for the second half of

861
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,880
the stream, which, by the way, I haven't heard from

862
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:10,559
Carl at all, so I assume he got black backed anyway.

863
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:15,239
So particularly that phrase was made popular by Ronald Reagan.

864
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,440
For instance, in a Spanish language broadcast during one of

865
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,599
his I think it was the second presidential run, he

866
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,840
said this phrase, Latinos are Republicans, they just don't know

867
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,920
it yet. George Bush made similar comments justifying the pathway

868
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,199
to citizenship right the big amnesty back then, and this

869
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,480
argument has re emerged in the kind of woke right

870
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:47,719
moral panic that has sprung up really after about October seventh.

871
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,360
But let's be honest, also in relation to figures like Cocker,

872
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,840
Carlson and Nick Fuentes and their conversation. But I took

873
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,239
a quote from Rod Dreyer what I saw and heard

874
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:05,119
in Washington, where the conservative commentator quoted an anonymous Maga

875
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:08,880
Zoomer policy wonk and person of color. So this is

876
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,480
that alleged source, and I say alleged for obvious reasons.

877
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:17,239
Describing Nick fund as his followers, he said, they're delusional.

878
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,639
There are a lot of immigrants and native born members

879
00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:23,320
of ethnic groups were natural Republicans at phrase, and whom

880
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,960
Donald Trump won in twenty twenty four. Take Indians for example.

881
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:32,840
Interesting reveal there. The point is right, we see that

882
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:39,199
phrase natural Republicans. That idea is present even in modern

883
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,280
kind of house conservative commentary allegedly from a Maga Zoomer

884
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,000
policy wonk person of color if you believe so, carrying

885
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:54,960
on right, just as you know Reagan and Bush before him,

886
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,920
this guy is claiming that socially conservative immigrant groups are

887
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,320
a voter base. And wait, just right there for the

888
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,599
taking from the GOP, the conservative right, and the thing,

889
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,880
the reason we need to continue this purge is they're

890
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,599
going to scare them off. But look like the central

891
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:18,119
premise is completely and totally false. We understand here that Hispanics,

892
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:23,880
American Blacks, other immigrant groups continually vote for communists, right,

893
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:27,119
even though you know, if you ask these people, you know,

894
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:33,559
Black Americans, Somali's for example, their opinions on different issues, right,

895
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:37,440
gay marriage, just almost sexuality rit large, you'll get a

896
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:40,840
very conservative, right wing answer, right, Like, can you imagine

897
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,400
talking to like a Nation of Islam guy about LGBTQ stuff.

898
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:48,599
He's probably not a fan. So initially, on first viewing,

899
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:53,000
this seems like a contradiction, right, this seems like something

900
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:57,199
that follows this kind of logic of the natural conservative.

901
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,800
But hey, Carl, you back.

902
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, my internet decided to go bye bye right when

903
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,320
we were talking about me being a potential homosexual.

904
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: Well, it's a sign from God. I hate to say it,

905
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,400
I guess it's just true. If you're not there to

906
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,400
defend yourself, you know, you're get into anyway, Carl, I

907
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,079
was going through my article in Chronicles, right, you know,

908
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,840
going through kind of the the idea of the natural conservative,

909
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,679
the natural Republican, and then going into that central premise

910
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,119
that you know, many of these groups who vote for

911
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:36,639
communists are on their own quite socially conservative. But there

912
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:41,400
are two issues, right, One they're clients of the cultural left,

913
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:45,400
and two they understand that there's a difference between conserving

914
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:50,760
their culture and conserving our culture. Look like you guys

915
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,000
understand the DNC patronage system, right, They're very good at it.

916
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,599
I mean, look, sure, you know Black Americans and amusing

917
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:02,519
them as this in because they are the most monolithic

918
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:06,079
voting block in the country. And also the GOP has

919
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:12,079
been gunning for that group for longer than either of Yeah, now,

920
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:15,400
look like that's been true since FDR for obvious reasons.

921
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,840
But look at the Civil Rights Act, which, in addition

922
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,039
to giving a ton of welfare, not literally the Civil

923
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:24,480
Rights Act, but you know, in the same kind of timeframe,

924
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:29,880
also gave like sweeping rights. For instance, you know, the

925
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,679
idea that any situation where you know, minority groups are underrepresented,

926
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,679
there's the assumption of racism that the federal government has

927
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:39,960
a whole division at the DOJ designed to step in

928
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:42,360
and correct that. I mean, look like this is the

929
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,239
kind of like this is an absurd privilege, Like why

930
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:52,320
would you ever go for equality? Right? Also, we understand

931
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,920
that there's huge negative rights right, freedom from prosecution, freedom

932
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,840
from gun laws. I mean, just look at the atf

933
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:05,760
under Biden. Yeah, the the blicky as they say. Also,

934
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,239
I specifically cited the case of one Gary O. Edwards,

935
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:15,119
a brother who stabbed a homeless who stabbed another white

936
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,320
guy in Portland July this of last year. And look

937
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,000
like there's video evidence of that. But the jurors acquitted

938
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:28,000
Edwards because while being stabbed, the other guy dropped a

939
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,719
game or work. Right, The idea was the problem is

940
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,599
not you know, there's a stabbing, but it's the while

941
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:38,639
being stabbed, this guy besmirched the honor of a client group.

942
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:42,320
Like this is basically the law that the Sammurai had,

943
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,760
you know, where it's like if a peasant, you know,

944
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,920
insulted them, you could just draw your katana and you know,

945
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,159
kind of cut them in half. So clearly, right there

946
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,480
there's some privilege here, as they say, But what does

947
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:59,239
the GOP offer well, sure you know that they have

948
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:03,360
you know, like a certain amount of tolerance, right, you're

949
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:06,400
likely to advance, you know, up through the ladder really

950
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:08,760
really quickly. Like the old joke is like, what do

951
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:14,519
you call a black guy at an RNC meeting, mister chairman? Right? Yeah,

952
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:20,400
But effectively they're offering you equality, right, equality of opportunity.

953
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:25,880
They're basically running with the stated premise of nineties Democrats. Uh,

954
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,519
but let's be honest. Who would rationally take that deal? Right?

955
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:33,400
Who would say I will give up all of these

956
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,000
privileges in exchange for equality, right? I kind of ironically

957
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,320
quote you know the old progressive saw. When you're accustomed

958
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,480
to privilege, equality feels like oppression. And look, we've seen

959
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:49,840
this in actuality work out right, this this program has

960
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:55,239
been run for like years, decades, and even in my

961
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,360
own state, right, we ran a you know, a a

962
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:04,280
immigrant woman of color and she won six to seven

963
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,280
percent of the black vote. For instance, you have the root.

964
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,800
I didn't cite this, but I should have, basically saying

965
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:15,519
when some earl Sears isn't black, which you know should

966
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:21,239
not be surprising to anyone who's paying attention, but also

967
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,239
that other aspect I talked about, right, the gap between

968
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:28,679
being personally conservative for your own culture and conservative broadly

969
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,519
speaking is it all comes down to what is your nation? Right.

970
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:36,679
This is sort of the quote from my good friend

971
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,360
Kevin Deanna where he says, you know, everyone is a

972
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,159
blood and soil nationalist for the nation they actually care about. Right.

973
01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:47,960
You see this particularly in the kind of anti Ice

974
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:54,440
riots of early last year, the Larraza stuff or ilhan Omar, Right,

975
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:59,159
despite being one of the most left wing you know,

976
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:02,920
members of in the legislature, when she speaks in her

977
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,559
own language, Like there's a clip that went pretty viral,

978
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:10,639
you know a few years ago, she's talking in Somali saying,

979
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,960
you know, I am there as a representative of Somali people.

980
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,239
I am there to make sure that Ethiopia doesn't take

981
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,400
any Somali territorial waters. That's a weird thing for someone

982
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,719
who you know, allegedly represents the nation of America and

983
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,280
specifically the people of Minnesota. That seems quite far away from,

984
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:36,880
you know, an inter African speed over tribal waters. But

985
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,800
nonetheless that's what happens. And perhaps one of the most

986
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:47,239
insidious parts is that Republicans think they can run sort

987
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:50,079
of seventy percent of this program and get the same results. Right,

988
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:55,519
give that same unwavering loyalty from these minority groups I mentioned,

989
01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:59,719
of course, right when some earl sears who despite checking

990
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:04,239
off all of those boxes one seven percent of the

991
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:08,199
Black vote, twenty percent of the Asian and thirty three

992
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,559
percent of the Latino vote, which again, you know, if

993
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:15,159
these are groups supposedly that Trump won, like Indians who

994
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:21,519
I believe it's thirty percent voted for Trump, Well, one,

995
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:24,840
why is it not happening? And two like, why would

996
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,559
you support the importation of more people who vote against you?

997
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:39,320
Basically two to one? Right? Carrying on? Uh, enumerate, yes, yeah, enumerate,

998
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:44,119
And oftentimes you see these sort of good hearted conservative

999
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:50,400
types will instantly pivot to civil rights language. Right, talking

1000
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,920
about Democrats? Is the real racists bringing up the Civil War?

1001
01:06:54,400 --> 01:07:01,639
John C. Calhoun any other similarly unfashionable past Democrats. But like, guys,

1002
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:04,840
come on, we understand that that argument is literally only

1003
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:09,159
made by those people, and it is widely mocked by

1004
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:14,599
the entire political left and those specific minority groups. That racism,

1005
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:16,920
for whatever we want to say of the Democratic Party

1006
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:22,880
is completely and totally irrelevant to these patronage networks. So

1007
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,559
what's the answer, right, This came up in my conversation

1008
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,119
with Peter Bremilo. Well, it's the sailor strategy, right. It

1009
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:36,480
is the white majority, the heritage Americans, the people who,

1010
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:42,639
let's be honest, vote for the GOP. Well why not

1011
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,199
to be honest? I think a lot of baby boomers,

1012
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:50,679
particularly conservative baby boomers, are completely and totally traumatized by

1013
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,840
the idea of being on the right, the wrong side

1014
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,239
of history. Yeah, like, deep down, they actually do believe

1015
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,840
that they are the villains, that they don't deserve to

1016
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:04,599
rule unless they have I was about to use a

1017
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,159
potentially problematic phrase there, I'll leave it. But unless they

1018
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:14,320
have the seal of approval of minority groups, particularly Black Americans,

1019
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,840
that is what makes something legitimate. And anything that advantages

1020
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,600
the group that you represent, or disadvantages or seem to

1021
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,479
disadvantage that group is on its face, completely and totally illegitimate.

1022
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:30,479
And the conclusion of this article is basically like that

1023
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,880
premise needs to die. Clearly, we've seen a very dramatic

1024
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,520
example in the state of Virginia about how that is

1025
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,399
not the pathway to success and understand, guys. Of course

1026
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,359
I'm writing to a specific audience. You know, I am

1027
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,600
not necessarily saying we should put all our hope in

1028
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,600
the GOP, right, in the MAGA movement or whatever. But fundamentally,

1029
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:58,359
like that premise is endemic in good sort of conservative institutions,

1030
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:04,319
in good conscer Christian Americans, and unless it goes away,

1031
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,680
that group of people is doomed to fluse forever. Right,

1032
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,560
the idea that you can't advocate for your own interests

1033
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,039
because it would be you know, mean horrible racist, right

1034
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,479
and so effectively right, that needs to die, That needs

1035
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,039
to be abandoned. This has been a brief summary, right,

1036
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,640
it's a longer article. I just sort of hit the highlights.

1037
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:30,039
But to me, you see this as well, and this

1038
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:33,600
is a hell of the transition, Carl in the two

1039
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,800
A space as well, where it's this idea that of

1040
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:41,439
in the extreme liberal version is the kind of two

1041
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,720
A for all stuff like we went over in that

1042
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:49,279
kind of chilling article from Wired a while back talking

1043
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:52,520
about you know the trantephotypes, you know, training for you know,

1044
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,159
war with the Feds quote unquote right in heavy scare quotes.

1045
01:09:56,399 --> 01:10:00,199
But also you know the idea that you know, what

1046
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,479
really makes something you know, legitimate, or what makes it,

1047
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,800
you know, a laudable thing. Something that you can argue

1048
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:11,520
for is how it indexes with certain minority groups, certain

1049
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,960
you know, client groups of the DMC. So, for instance,

1050
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,199
anytime there's an increase in you know, women or people

1051
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:21,239
of color, homosexuals, less so, but let's be honest, they'll

1052
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:23,920
probably get to it sooner than later, you know, buying guns.

1053
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:26,079
You know, that's the idea that that's that's good, that's

1054
01:10:26,119 --> 01:10:29,039
what makes this thing fair because you know, we have

1055
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:32,279
to be on a level playing field with everyone. And

1056
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,479
I think that it's something you see a lot, particularly

1057
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,680
in the more like libertarian circles, because look like American

1058
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,960
gun culture did come out of in its current stantiation,

1059
01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:46,439
rather the kind of anti government, you know, militia movement

1060
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,520
of the eighties and nineties, but then it went through

1061
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,680
this this sort of libertarian phase. It's kind of exiting

1062
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,880
that at the moment. But it's this idea that you know, statism,

1063
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,680
the state, the government is the enemy, and you know,

1064
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,159
we are all just simple, you know, Adam, right, bearing

1065
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:06,199
individuals who need to have their choices maximized and similarly, right,

1066
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:10,600
I don't think that's a particularly good strategy and a

1067
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,399
good idea. I've been ranting for a while, Carl. Obviously

1068
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:15,600
you've been out with technical difficulties. But I'm curious to

1069
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,359
get your response. And oh yeah, yeah, Cyberchad twenty seventy seven.

1070
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,840
Kevin Yanna is great his show Identity Politics right on YouTube, Carl,

1071
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,159
you were on Identity Politics not too long ago.

1072
01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: Now, two weeks ago we talked about the Spanish Civil War.

1073
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:37,039
Speaker 1: Shocking, great episode. Thank you, yeah, Carl, Sorry, Carl, this

1074
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:39,399
is also true of you, But Kevin is one of

1075
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:43,560
my one of my favorite writer's favorite producers. Yes, content,

1076
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,640
you should check him out. He is criminally undersubscribed on

1077
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,359
those platforms, you know, I to put them mildly. I

1078
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:54,520
think I disagree with him on theology. I'll leave it

1079
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,840
at that, but nonetheless he is a good guy personally

1080
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,720
and also a very very capable kind of political.

1081
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:07,319
Speaker 2: Analysts solid think are very knowledgeable about the most relevant

1082
01:12:07,399 --> 01:12:09,640
stuff to work.

1083
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: So sorry, I'm supposed to kick it back to you, Carl,

1084
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,760
for reaction of yourself.

1085
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,199
Speaker 2: No, it's you know, that's that's part of my part

1086
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:19,439
of that article and my retort is that there is

1087
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:25,479
a consumerist mentality to this and this individualistic like if

1088
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,159
if only we can put guns in the hands of

1089
01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:32,720
don Quavius, they'll realize that they should be just like us,

1090
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,600
instead of thinking that this is a weapon, and it's

1091
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:43,000
it's this like hobbyist rights orientation and without understanding what

1092
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:47,640
rights really are. Rights are things that we have because

1093
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,239
we say so, and if you treat us as if

1094
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:54,720
we don't have them, we will do things to you

1095
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:00,159
that are quite precedented. And that's really what they are are,

1096
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,680
you know, if if you believe.

1097
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:04,159
Speaker 1: That.

1098
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: In pat con which which is a really important thing

1099
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:14,680
to understand, in the late eighties early nineties, you know,

1100
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:21,319
the federal libtard government under both Democrats and Republicans started

1101
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:28,600
to treat whitey as the enemy. Any any assertive white

1102
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:34,159
person essentially talking in certain ways and not and was

1103
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:38,359
surprisingly labeled as a racist, even if and this quite

1104
01:13:38,359 --> 01:13:42,319
often took these people by surprise because they considered themselves

1105
01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:45,039
as not being racist, because they didn't know yet that

1106
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:48,119
they are a racist oppressor. They had not internalized that

1107
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,439
despite crippling television addictions, and so they would be quite

1108
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:57,199
surprised by these retorts. And then when you examine the

1109
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:02,920
groups that originate these label like s PLC, for example,

1110
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,359
closely connected to the ADL, like people who explored these

1111
01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:10,520
things and actually said, I will believe these people when

1112
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,720
they say these things. I will believe that they actually

1113
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,520
believe them. You begin to understand them. And if you

1114
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,119
take their word for it, there's many words that can

1115
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:25,600
be applied to you, many adjectives, and so anyhow, it's

1116
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:31,279
this moribund, like constrained, like we let's bring them up

1117
01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:34,319
to our level by including them in our activities, and

1118
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:38,319
then they'll become patriotic Americans. It's identical to this natural

1119
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:44,880
conservatives thing. So the seventy IQ Guatemalan who is four

1120
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,439
foot eight who just climbed off of his eleven year

1121
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,680
old niece, if you hand him a firearm, he will

1122
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:59,039
be like, Wow, I love George Washington too. It's it's

1123
01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:00,479
completely insane.

1124
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: You're top guy, Thomas Jefferson.

1125
01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: It's completely insane. And and the way to argue with

1126
01:15:08,039 --> 01:15:11,399
these things is to put things in terms that are

1127
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:17,640
this crude. Like Don Quavius thirteen years old, you know,

1128
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:21,640
his local gang hands him a glock nineteen with a

1129
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,199
switch and a thirty three round TRANSPARENTTS two.

1130
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, a.

1131
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:33,079
Speaker 2: Glock twenty two with an a transparent stendo Ets magazine,

1132
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:40,720
holds it sideways, sprays his school. You know, it isn't

1133
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,760
classified as a school shooting because only why people do that,

1134
01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:47,880
and you know, because he wants to get his op

1135
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:53,159
and you think that like that, these people go into

1136
01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:55,880
abstraction land and say, well, we should wait until the

1137
01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:59,920
very moment that the that the bullet hits someone's central

1138
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:04,680
nervous system before we can respond, because you know, they

1139
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:10,159
have rights just like us, you know, And it's really

1140
01:16:10,279 --> 01:16:15,159
quite incredible when you look at how convoluted and stupid

1141
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:20,399
these people are because they've disregarded first principles for one

1142
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:26,119
hundred and thirty years, like they are libtards, and they

1143
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:35,520
have a crippling media conflation, addiction and premises that make

1144
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,199
it impossible for them to think clearly about these things.

1145
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:44,239
But fortunately that population is shrinking, and you compare guys

1146
01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:47,640
who used to and there was also there was also

1147
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,760
a thing where people thought they had to talk this

1148
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,760
way so they wouldn't get suppressed again because of like

1149
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,039
Pat con Another guy I love, I love Matt Bracken

1150
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,439
he's a writer, and he's he he was very very

1151
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,199
very very libertarian coded for a very long time, and

1152
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:08,840
then now he sounds just like us and like he

1153
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:14,039
was directionally right, but he would I think he was

1154
01:17:14,119 --> 01:17:18,199
like handling things in this way tactically for a really

1155
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:21,079
long time. But then there were some of these priors

1156
01:17:21,119 --> 01:17:24,520
that he just wouldn't let go of. Well those are

1157
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,439
long gone, and he's basically like practically fed posting on

1158
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,920
X about you know, the usual suspects who should be

1159
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,439
fed posted about in this fashion, and I'm tired of

1160
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:38,840
pretending that they shouldn't be.

1161
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:48,159
Speaker 1: So we have some more super chats s W two MG,

1162
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,079
logistics and amotion far exceed the cost of a rifle,

1163
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:54,479
including water sources, camp, food, training, a lotments, et cetera.

1164
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,600
PSA freedom only okay for like five K rounds? Yeah true,

1165
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,880
I mean, of course this my recommendation was based off

1166
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,279
of it. If you have literally no money, right, if

1167
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:07,159
you if you have the money to buy something, better

1168
01:18:07,239 --> 01:18:11,319
do it. But like you know, five k rounds is

1169
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,079
more than enough for someone who has only enough money

1170
01:18:15,119 --> 01:18:18,479
to spend five hundred dollars, right, you know, it's not

1171
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,840
the be all, end all and the first point. I

1172
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:26,239
completely agree aramic discord my brother in Draco Asalama lakam.

1173
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,680
I miss my air ten. Yes, it was hideously expensive.

1174
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,960
I don't care. I miss it. I certainly have things

1175
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,840
in that category. Actually, I have a which we'll probably

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get to sooner or later. I think I showed you,

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Carl the uh the cool l mt ar ten lower

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I got. Uh is my mic really that low? Carl?

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Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: I hear you fine. You sound okay to me. I

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don't know if there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean good. Yeah, I'll jack it a little bit,

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but then I might kind of get a little deep

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fried as I'll just talk louder and we'll say that's

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good enough.

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Speaker 2: He says that took care of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh, handsome horses getting up there in age, he could

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become hard of hearing.

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Speaker 1: That could be it.

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Speaker 2: But now he hears Yeah, you know, I love you, sir.

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Speaker 1: He okay, Sorry I got a little bit distracted there.

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Uh yeah, anyway, sorry, Uh got completely Slinging Beef continually

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has uh the funniest user name. Oh wait, this continually

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happens to me, like especially when I'm an Orange Show

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or something where, especially when you're not reading them, very

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profane inappropriate names and or super chats are really really funny,

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So keep going, chief Sling Week, Isn't that bad? New

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Starship Truoners book? And then an unrelated point thirty two

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a CPS homo Carl will he will be coming to

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get you, just to let you know on that, Well, Carl,

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we are probably about at time. It's been a ton

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of fun. Thanks for coming on to this this highly

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planned plane excuse me stream. Where can people find you?

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Where can they buy book?

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Speaker 2: People can buy book at Amazon Faction and Faction with

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the Crusaders by Carl Dahl. You can also find me

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at substack