Speaker 1: Leverage, unseen leverage to kind of gets you the dark
Speaker 1: stuff that we talked about. Sometimes the show that's going on,
Speaker 1: the idea that they're able to manipulate this administration to
Speaker 1: this degree is quite insane. Hello, welcome back to the
Speaker 1: No Way Jose podcast. I am your host, Jose galley Son.
Speaker 1: Today I will be joined again by the great Ken Silva.
Speaker 1: We will be talking about Ryan Rauth. The other would
Speaker 1: be Assassin, the one people usually tend to think of
Speaker 1: it as an afterthought. There's a lot to go into
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I do want to be very clear I do with
Speaker 1: that intro. It was very Israel heavy. I want to
Speaker 1: make think of something very clear. I have no evidence
Speaker 1: whatsoever it links it to. I don't even necessarily suspect
Speaker 1: one Israel of having a connection here. Just more that
Speaker 1: intro I think painted a picture of kind of the
Speaker 1: hidden hand of things like assassination, blackmail, the like. Hell,
Speaker 1: you could even throw in some of the recent foreign
Speaker 1: policy news with some of the one eighty that's been
Speaker 1: done over in the Russia Ukraine. So just kind of the.
Speaker 3: Idea of what could a theoretically be the real world
Speaker 3: effects of a bullet whizzing by your head, or a
Speaker 3: supposed a turbolib that supposedly tried to kill you, and
Speaker 3: those sort of how does this shape foreign policy?
Speaker 1: How does this shape the world? But I think this
Speaker 1: one has kind of gone a little bit overlooked, so
Speaker 1: I'm glad to finally have Ken on to kind of
Speaker 1: do a little bit of a dive into this. We've
Speaker 1: done other episodes on this before, but it was kind
Speaker 1: of more primarily focused on the first assassination attempt. This
Speaker 1: one kind of flew sport of under the radar, although
Speaker 1: there's a lot of craziness to be talked about, for sure.
Speaker 1: But with that, let's go and get Ken in here.
Speaker 1: What is that, my friend? How are you doing?
Speaker 2: Hey? Not a whole lot. I was just thinking that
Speaker 2: I've been on your show for about three years now,
Speaker 2: because three years ago I was in Kentucky. I had
Speaker 2: just been fired by the Epic Times, and you had
Speaker 2: me on to talk about the Whitmer case. And this
Speaker 2: was like literally September twenty twenty two. So yeah, we've
Speaker 2: been knowing each other for a while, and I'm really
Speaker 2: excited to get into the Ryan Ruth case since you know,
Speaker 2: you're one of the first shows I've been on. Give
Speaker 2: us nak preview of chapter four of my book, The
Speaker 2: Curious Case of Ryan Rude, and spoiler alert will get there.
Speaker 2: But there is a strong Israeli link.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I actually was not aware of one. I
Speaker 1: know there have been rumors of the foreign intel, although
Speaker 1: I thought that was actually Ukrainian. But I always forget.
Speaker 1: It's always hard to keep track of all the different
Speaker 1: goings on. So but I'll let you like kind of
Speaker 1: keep going. Sorry me to step on you there.
Speaker 2: Uh no. Yeah, So I'm obviously not going to read
Speaker 2: from this because I would be boring, but I'll kind
Speaker 2: of start from the beginning. So, yeah, the story is that,
Speaker 2: you know Ryan Ruth. On September fifteenth, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: he was hiding in the bushes of Trump's golf course
Speaker 2: in Palm Beach. A Secret Service agent spot at him,
Speaker 2: fired at five times at point blank range, missed all
Speaker 2: five shots. Ruth runs away, jumps into his exster up
Speaker 2: speeds off. A witness saw the local cops put out
Speaker 2: a bow. They pulled him over about forty five minutes later.
Speaker 2: It hit the news about a couple hours later, and
Speaker 2: by midnight that night, we knew a whole lot about Ruth,
Speaker 2: including a lot of his criminal background from when he
Speaker 2: was in North Carolina. And yeah, so I guess that's
Speaker 2: where I'll start with the story of Ruth. He wasn't
Speaker 2: always a criminal. In fact, in the nineties he made
Speaker 2: the local Greensboro newspaper in nineteen ninety one because some
Speaker 2: woman in that he got raped and her grapes are
Speaker 2: sucking up your algorithm saying.
Speaker 1: That, Oh you're fine. I say, child born all the
Speaker 1: time and all this stuff. I'm not supposed to.
Speaker 2: Say say that.
Speaker 1: Whatever, Yeah, it's all good.
Speaker 2: So he was a woman got, you know, assaulted, and
Speaker 2: he saw that and he actually chased down the perpetrator
Speaker 2: when he jumped out the window. Later he helped the
Speaker 2: cops track him down, he testified in his case helped.
Speaker 2: But the guy in jail and the local newspaper did
Speaker 2: or write up like call it him like a local
Speaker 2: crime fighter.
Speaker 1: So real quick, before we move on from that. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm misremembering here, but I almost played the intro just
Speaker 1: kind of for nostalgia purposes, because although it wasn't really thematically,
Speaker 1: I think quite on the nose. I almost played that one.
Speaker 1: The Gletty one, didn't he have some sort of for
Speaker 1: those That's one of our greatest hits, the Gletty Interview.
Speaker 1: But didn't he have I mean, maybe I'm misremembering this.
Speaker 1: I thought his beginning of how he kind of got
Speaker 1: into the fold, I guess you could say, is with
Speaker 1: some sort of weird tale along something similar to that, Like,
Speaker 1: wasn't some sort of small time something or other in
Speaker 1: and then went from there. Maybe I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm looking for connections with they're on any But just
Speaker 1: you said that, I'm like, there reminds me kind of
Speaker 1: Glotty a little bit, because he was kind of the mind.
Speaker 2: It was almost the opposite. He caught like a local
Speaker 2: drug charge and he became a police format that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I guess he did such a good job that
Speaker 2: the Feds wanted them for himself and then yeah, his
Speaker 2: legend grew from there.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry not to throw you off. I just he
Speaker 1: was on my mind, and I was like, I thought,
Speaker 1: I remember to connect the similarity, but going uh yeah.
Speaker 2: No cut me off at any time, because I'm just
Speaker 2: going to keep going through the history unless you interrupt. So,
Speaker 2: uh yeah, he becomes you know, kind of a local hero.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that did to his personality. Maybe
Speaker 2: caught a little taste of fame or something that, you know,
Speaker 2: shaped what he would become. But that's pure speculation. In
Speaker 2: the nineties, he attended North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University,
Speaker 2: whose alumni also includes Clead Shik Mohammed. So that's a
Speaker 2: random act. I have no idea what to make of it,
Speaker 2: but that's quite distinguished.
Speaker 1: What school was that? Again? What school was that?
Speaker 2: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University.
Speaker 1: Okay, that does sound oddly specific. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was. Maybe I missed it. It was some very generic
Speaker 1: state university or something to be like, Oh, that probably
Speaker 1: means nothing, but that does sound like a very specific school.
Speaker 2: But small little school out just outside of Greensboro. And
Speaker 2: obviously Khalid shake me Hame is like the supposed nine
Speaker 2: to eleven mastermind. So he didn't graduate that from there,
Speaker 2: he dropped out. He gets into a local construction business.
Speaker 2: It really looks like he was hiring a lot of
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants, which will come into play later with his
Speaker 2: like human smuggling and things like that. It's two thousand
Speaker 2: and two seems to have been a banner year for
Speaker 2: him and of him turning to a life of crime.
Speaker 2: It started in April two thousand and two where he's
Speaker 2: in a dispute with his Hispanic employees and this is
Speaker 2: all according to local police reports. Apparently he's not paying them.
Speaker 2: They get into a fight and he pulls out a
Speaker 2: sod Off four to twenty shotgun and threatens one of them.
Speaker 2: They all jump on him and like rustle it away,
Speaker 2: but he manages to get into his truck and he
Speaker 2: speeds out of his construction business and like clips one
Speaker 2: of the Mexicans and gets away, but they call the cops,
Speaker 2: and the cops I think they come to his house next,
Speaker 2: and he like barricades himself in the house. It takes
Speaker 2: a while for them to arrest him, and when they do,
Speaker 2: they find explosives in his house and take them to jail.
Speaker 2: And this is where his first documented contact with informants
Speaker 2: comes into play. In jail, he calls another employee and says, Hey,
Speaker 2: I have like explosives in this other warehouse that I own.
Speaker 2: You got to get rid of him before the search,
Speaker 2: and the police report says that a confidential, reliable informant
Speaker 2: tipped off them to what Ruth said. And the interesting
Speaker 2: thing is here is that the report specifically said that
Speaker 2: he was using a cell phone, so it's not like
Speaker 2: he used the jail house phone and they were just
Speaker 2: monitoring the call. Specifically, somebody at jail was an informant
Speaker 2: and heard him talking on the cell phone. So in
Speaker 2: any event, they go search his warehouse and they find
Speaker 2: more explosives. They charge him with that, and then he
Speaker 2: makes a bail. That's not the end of his two
Speaker 2: thousand and two zaga though. Later that year, while this
Speaker 2: case is still uppending, he gets pulled over by a
Speaker 2: local cop. This lady has given interviews about it, and
Speaker 2: the lady cop says she comes up to Ruth's window
Speaker 2: and sees what looks to be like a Tommy gun
Speaker 2: just sitting on his passenger's seat, and she does get
Speaker 2: out of the car, and instead he speeds off. And
Speaker 2: this is actually when he goes to his house, he
Speaker 2: barricades himself inside for several hours. There's a standoff until
Speaker 2: he finally surrenders peacefully. After all that, the upshot is
Speaker 2: that he only gets probation, so he spent a couple
Speaker 2: of jail originally in April and probably got taken to
Speaker 2: jail back later that night. That occurred in October. But
Speaker 2: after all that, you know, serious serious crimes, and you know,
Speaker 2: committing a crime while you're out on bail never serves
Speaker 2: a day in prison.
Speaker 1: And we're talking explosive charge, well he probably never received them.
Speaker 1: Were there ever they ever hit him with the explosive
Speaker 1: charge or they just ignore those.
Speaker 2: He was they hit him with it, but he didn't,
Speaker 2: you know, he just got probation.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was a big deal, But that's
Speaker 1: just me.
Speaker 2: It is a big deal. And if the police reports
Speaker 2: it says that the ATF became involved in this investigation,
Speaker 2: and so this is the first documented contact with Feds too,
Speaker 2: So he's been on the radar of the FED since
Speaker 2: at least two thousand and two. Read straight from the
Speaker 2: police report, pretty much Greensboro referred it to the ATF,
Speaker 2: and then a special agent his name is redacted, stated,
Speaker 2: you would be looking into this tournament if federal violations heard,
Speaker 2: and then the police report concludes nothing further of a report.
Speaker 2: I reached out to the ATF about this when I
Speaker 2: found this a couple of months ago, and they of course,
Speaker 2: declined to comment. I'll probably file a record's request now
Speaker 2: that his case is over, maybe take something up about this.
Speaker 2: But I'm intrigued. I think it is fair to speculate
Speaker 2: he actually became an informant for the ATF or something
Speaker 2: like that at the time, because yeah, very unusual not
Speaker 2: to serve any prison time when you have a machine
Speaker 2: gun and a bunch of explosive components along with the
Speaker 2: sowd off board for ten shotgun, you know, employee of
Speaker 2: legal immigrants. It's like, it's pretty blatant criminality here.
Speaker 1: By the way, I want to apologize real quick to
Speaker 1: the audience for what I just did. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you caught that. I turned your echo cancelation off
Speaker 1: for a moment because I thought, like I noticed, you're
Speaker 1: you're every now and then you drop out like in
Speaker 1: Kazako cancelation'll do that, and it for some reason blasted
Speaker 1: your mind. So I put it back on real quick.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard that, but I heard that.
Speaker 1: I just end apologizing to the audience. That was my
Speaker 1: That was me being not a very good production on
Speaker 1: my end. Sorry, go on, just in case you heard
Speaker 1: a screaming in your ear and you're wondering, what the
Speaker 1: hell that was? That was me my bed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry if we blew out some ear drone Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, two thousand and two. You know, after all this,
Speaker 2: he gets probation, and then the years go by and
Speaker 2: he's still committee misdemeanors, getting into civil disputes. His next
Speaker 2: serious crime occurs in twenty ten, and by now he's
Speaker 2: got a construction company and he's going to sites to
Speaker 2: do work. But at night he would send crackheads into
Speaker 2: the places that hired him and they'd rip out like
Speaker 2: copper wires, steal the equipment, bring it back to him,
Speaker 2: and he would fence it. And this got busted up
Speaker 2: again by the tip of a confidential informant, according to
Speaker 2: police reports. So they arrested one of his employees, a
Speaker 2: guy named Marshall Hinshaw, which funny enough, that guy was
Speaker 2: one of his defense witnesses, his character witnesses this assassination trial.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the DJ didn't even mention that.
Speaker 2: I don't think they did their due diligence. I think
Speaker 2: one that's found this. So the informant the arrest Marty,
Speaker 2: and then another informant tips off the police that Ruth
Speaker 2: was also driving a stolen quote black slash broken duly
Speaker 2: pickup truck. So the police starts surveilling Ryan and seeing,
Speaker 2: you know, where is he taking this stuff to, who's
Speaker 2: involved in this? It was like a really major investigation.
Speaker 2: They eventually arrest him again. They raid one of his
Speaker 2: warehouses and they find thousands and thousands of dollars worth
Speaker 2: of stolen equipment and other property you know, in his trailer.
Speaker 2: And after all that, he gets charged again with three
Speaker 2: more felonies. It violates his previous probation. There's a filing,
Speaker 2: say in the Greensboro dockets saying he's violated his probation.
Speaker 2: And then the very next day there's another document saying,
Speaker 2: oh that was an air rescind that again really bizarre
Speaker 2: stuff that I haven't gotten to the bottom too yet.
Speaker 2: And again he goes to court and he gets probation.
Speaker 2: After all this, I mean, that could have sent him
Speaker 2: to jail for over a decade, don't I'm not even
Speaker 2: sure if he ever paid restitution. So that's twenty ten.
Speaker 2: After all that, I don't really know what happened between
Speaker 2: twenty ten and two thousand and around nineteen, but at
Speaker 2: some point, like the way I describe it as he
Speaker 2: went from like a dirtbag leftist to like an activated
Speaker 2: turbo live because like in the early twenty tens, you
Speaker 2: have documents like he was living in the warehouse with
Speaker 2: a lady, Like it seems like a real grungy guy.
Speaker 2: But eventually he started getting really into politics, like around
Speaker 2: the time I would imagine that, you know, Trump started running.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit older, he gets activated. Used to
Speaker 2: look at his old tweets. He had one point he
Speaker 2: was like a fan of Tulsi Gabbard. He was doing
Speaker 2: that hashtag let her Speak when Tulsi was getting shut
Speaker 2: out of the Democratic debates. In twenty nineteen, he moves
Speaker 2: to Hawaii with fiance Kathleen Shaefer. Who's this lady that
Speaker 2: actually worked at Victoria Secret Which that kind of wrings
Speaker 2: some like for all I know, she was just working
Speaker 2: at some doorfront, but it does lead to speculation like
Speaker 2: was she connected to like Les Wexner or something. I
Speaker 2: think that's that's kind of getting over our skime. But
Speaker 2: he did finance a lot of his later activities. It
Speaker 2: seems like she more than just a star clerk at
Speaker 2: least middle management so it's it's worth noting.
Speaker 1: Isn't it wasn't it Chapman that got brought to Hawaii
Speaker 1: within got brought by his old lady. I think too.
Speaker 1: It's always because that's always been in the deep parapolitical.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Theory is that there's some sort of unit in Hawaii
Speaker 1: where they do like it kind of put some sort
Speaker 1: of finishing touches on the the old mind control or
Speaker 1: whatever that's. That's I don't know the specifics of it.
Speaker 1: There's something to do with Hawaii. MANGIONI went there. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's Chapman, whoever the Lenin killer was,
Speaker 1: I forget the name of that guy. I think he
Speaker 1: went there. And then obviously we have Routh going there.
Speaker 1: There's someone else I'm missing too, but there's there's a
Speaker 1: handful of them that I've gone to Hawaii, and I
Speaker 1: think particularly one island too. I just can't remember which one.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's all. But I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: funny that he's like, oh, he's going with a lady too,
Speaker 1: So it was like, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, islands in general are weird places, little bubble cultures.
Speaker 2: I know, I was somebody in the Libertarian Party wing
Speaker 2: of the Hawaiian chapter was admitting that he's an informant,
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, I'm working for the essay. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's just like you don't. I don't know. People go
Speaker 2: crazy on islands. It's bizarre. But that's really neither here
Speaker 2: nor there, no no. But so in Hawaii in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: somebody tips off the FBI that he had a firearm,
Speaker 2: which of course he wasn't allowed to have as a
Speaker 2: multiple time convicted felon. He was reported to the FBI,
Speaker 2: and the FBI took no further action. That's about all
Speaker 2: I have for that about his activities in Hawaii. It
Speaker 2: was twenty twenty two, when Russia invaded Ukraine that he
Speaker 2: really lost his mind. It seems like according to his
Speaker 2: self published book, which he co wrote with his then fiance,
Speaker 2: this lady Kathleen Schaeffer, he just says, I, just like
Speaker 2: every other they're human with a moral compass. Knew that
Speaker 2: the right thing to go to Ukraine and fight for
Speaker 2: freedom of human rights, and that is what I did.
Speaker 2: So he goes to Poland, he crosses the border, he
Speaker 2: winds up in Kiev and he's he sets up like
Speaker 2: this makeshift volunteer center where he's trying to sign people
Speaker 2: up and send them to the front lines. And this
Speaker 2: is all according to his self published book. Apparently like
Speaker 2: the local police are like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 2: And they teared down his tent, tear down all his banners,
Speaker 2: and he got really upset with that. At one point,
Speaker 2: he's at a protest about the fighters that were stuck
Speaker 2: in the Azov Stole power plant. This is like at
Speaker 2: the very beginning where Putin and Vainer and there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of Ukrainians, like the a's guys were all like
Speaker 2: hunkered down in this one site. And I guess there
Speaker 2: was a big protest in Kiev to like, oh, the
Speaker 2: government has to do something and extract these guys. And
Speaker 2: Ruth gets thrown into jail with a bunch of Ukrainians
Speaker 2: and Ruth is the only one let out. And he
Speaker 2: attributed it. He attributes it to being an American. People
Speaker 2: surrounding him were actually like, you know, what the hell
Speaker 2: are you doing, Like, as an American, you should not
Speaker 2: be joining protests. That's like very tone deaf and improper.
Speaker 2: But so it's uncles, yeah, yeah, And a certain point
Speaker 2: he gave an interview to The New York Times, and
Speaker 2: he's The New York Times even characterizes it as like
Speaker 2: Ruth is recruiting people from Syria and Afghanistan to go
Speaker 2: to Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Sometimes Ruth's activities are illegal, so along with him being
Speaker 2: reported to the fence by citizens, it's like in the
Speaker 2: world's largest Western newspaper is literally saying that Ryan Ruth
Speaker 2: is up to legal activities in Ukraine. So that had
Speaker 2: to set off a whole bunch of red flags because
Speaker 2: you know, intelligence assets from every civilized country read the
Speaker 2: New York Times. So he is obviously heavily monitored. So
Speaker 2: it's unclear how successful he was about recruiting these people
Speaker 2: from Syria and Afghanistan. I do have like letters where
Speaker 2: some Afghanistan guys are writing to the ambassador like we're
Speaker 2: working with Brian Ruth, Well you let us in Douse.
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever came to that. Eventually he moved
Speaker 2: from that project to a drone project. And this is
Speaker 2: where I'll say, this is where the Israeli link comes in.
Speaker 2: And in his self published book he says his best quote,
Speaker 2: his best partner was in Israeli and he kind of
Speaker 2: this is just he throws that in there in the
Speaker 2: middle of the book, he's rambling about democracy. He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, my best partner was in Israeli. However, I
Speaker 2: think you know, what Israel's doing is wrong. It's like
Speaker 2: he's just rambling about what they're doing in Gaza. But
Speaker 2: it's just, yeah, a very interesting link. And I guess
Speaker 2: it's bizarre to me that next Blumenthal did an entire
Speaker 2: article on Ruth's self published book and about all his
Speaker 2: activities in Ukraine, and Blumenthal never mentioned the Israeli partner,
Speaker 2: which is like a smoking gun link to the Trump
Speaker 2: assassination attempt. But then three years later he writes an
Speaker 2: article about the Kirk assassination based on anonymous sources, like
Speaker 2: it's dating that you know, Kirk was breaking with Israel
Speaker 2: and that's why he was assassinated. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if Blumenthal was like just didn't do his search and
Speaker 2: kindle for Israel that was like, that's what I did,
Speaker 2: That's how I found it, or if a lot of
Speaker 2: people suggest that he's just like some Russian asset that
Speaker 2: puts out missing. But it really annoys me that, like
Speaker 2: his ship like went megaviral, when it's totally speculative. Well,
Speaker 2: I reported this solid link and like nobody is even
Speaker 2: paying attention. Yeah, that's just me airing my petty jealousies.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, trust me. I see that
Speaker 1: stuff many times. I look this stupid slop. It happens
Speaker 1: such as our struggle or ejournal struggle exactly.
Speaker 2: Uh So, so after this recruiting project, he actually teams
Speaker 2: up with two Iranians. And again this is the context
Speaker 2: of being in Ukraine. So I got to imagine these
Speaker 2: were Iranian dissidents hanging out with the NAPO crowd. They
Speaker 2: were probably also in bed with Israel, probably one of
Speaker 2: the Iranians that want to throw over the government and
Speaker 2: like reinstall the ARK or something like that.
Speaker 1: The shmooly brand of Iranians. Yeah, which of you to
Speaker 1: know that they actually do come from They are Iranian juices.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they're like they were. It was weird.
Speaker 1: I got that's a weird little rabbit hole I got
Speaker 1: into back when the Twelve Day War or whatever, because
Speaker 1: he was really pushing uh the the other guy or whatever,
Speaker 1: and so then there were some weird connections. Anyways, didn't
Speaker 1: mean to take you off but yeah, that is Yes,
Speaker 1: that is the a good example of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. There's also a couple Iranian dissidents that
Speaker 2: are involved in these fake assassination plots. There's some Iranian
Speaker 2: Jewish lady who Iran allegedly tried to kill and another
Speaker 2: Iranian journalist who was also involved in something closely tied
Speaker 2: to the Trump plot. But that's the topic for another episode.
Speaker 2: Uh So, yeah, Ruth and these Iranians start building drones
Speaker 2: and it's they seem pretty makeshift. If you read his book,
Speaker 2: he says they go all the way to the front
Speaker 2: lines and he's trying to talk to military officials, being like, hey,
Speaker 2: we want to help you, and the military officials are
Speaker 2: like telling the fuck off, like get out of here.
Speaker 2: Maybe really offended, like, oh, these people don't even want
Speaker 2: my help, Like I'm putting my life on the line
Speaker 2: and they won't even like give me gratitude. Really, it
Speaker 2: just sounded like he was being annoying and totally unhelpful
Speaker 2: and they probably, you know, we're super stressed and just
Speaker 2: wanted him to leave because he was actually dead weight.
Speaker 2: So he leaves in twenty twenty two, and in his
Speaker 2: book he's like I was unsuccessful in the recruiting, unsuccessful
Speaker 2: in this drone project, but I'm just trying to spread
Speaker 2: the word now. Eventually, I'm pretty sure he winds up
Speaker 2: in Taiwan. We don't have any super hard evidence of this,
Speaker 2: but on his deleted tweets around sometime in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: like I'm in Taiwan, and he's like tweeting at all
Speaker 2: the foreign leaders like hey, meet with me. I'm in Taiwan.
Speaker 2: And I just found a letter with writing an ambassador.
Speaker 2: It was like a private letter where he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: in Taiwan. So that's why I actually do believe that
Speaker 2: he went there. Now it's not just his public tweets.
Speaker 2: He said that in a private letter that he recently
Speaker 2: filed as in an exhibit. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: he went here straight from Ukraine or if he went
Speaker 2: back to Hawaii and then went back to Taiwan at
Speaker 2: some point, because this is in twenty twenty three and
Speaker 2: he went home in twenty twenty two, so his movements
Speaker 2: are are not totally documented. I'm just trying to do
Speaker 2: the best I can. But in twenty twenty three is
Speaker 2: when he comes back to Hawaii from Japan, and this
Speaker 2: is when the Customs and Border Patrol stop him at
Speaker 2: the airport and question him, and he admits that he's
Speaker 2: been recruiting Jihattis and Syria like mujahideen type guys in
Speaker 2: Afghani stand to fight in the proxy war.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The New York Times reports of a lot of his
Speaker 2: activities were illegal. They certainly sound sketchy to me, But
Speaker 2: the CBP decided to do nothing. They let him in
Speaker 2: and they referred his case to DHS, which didn't take
Speaker 2: any further action. DHS, specifically HSI Homeland Security Investigations, was
Speaker 2: the agency that received the tip about him from CBP,
Speaker 2: and after Ruth's assassination attempt, that the head of the
Speaker 2: HSI actually testified to Congress. It was just like her
Speaker 2: turn to testify, and Matt gets asked her why you
Speaker 2: didn't do anything at the time, and her excuse was, well,
Speaker 2: we didn't have any hard proof that he was trying
Speaker 2: to assassinate Trump at the time, so we took no
Speaker 2: further action, even though he was clearly into a lot
Speaker 2: of shady activities. Does make me believe that they continued
Speaker 2: to monitor him, though. So he gets back into the country,
Speaker 2: and now we're in early twenty twenty four, and this
Speaker 2: scene when he turns towards the idea of plotting to
Speaker 2: kill Trump in March twenty twenty four, he's actually his daughter.
Speaker 2: I just found out this last week in the trial.
Speaker 2: His daughter received one hundred and sixty thousand dollars deposit,
Speaker 2: which I don't know where this money came from. It
Speaker 2: was a Fox News reporter writing an article she was
Speaker 2: in court. The article's not clear where the money came from.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to pull the transcript. But a
Speaker 2: month later is when Ruth wrote this infamous letter to
Speaker 2: the world where he says, if you're reading this now,
Speaker 2: I tried to kill Trump and I failed, but I'll
Speaker 2: offer whoever successful one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And
Speaker 2: at the time everybody kind of laughed at that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is just crazy ring. But clearly he did have
Speaker 2: the financial capacity where if he would have escaped and
Speaker 2: not getting caught, he could have paid somebody to finish
Speaker 2: the job one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He at
Speaker 2: least had them. This letter was dropped off to two
Speaker 2: of his former employees. He put it in a box
Speaker 2: with a bunch of other like explosive components. And the
Speaker 2: employees are also illegal immigrants. We know because they testified
Speaker 2: against him and they had to use a translator. So
Speaker 2: he continues to bounce around the country. And this is
Speaker 2: according to a state search warrant, Kathleen Schaeffer is financing
Speaker 2: a lot of these trips. He goes to Phoenix, Arizona,
Speaker 2: which you know McVeigh fans or you know, Okay seaheads
Speaker 2: will probably recognize like an Arizona, and he goes all
Speaker 2: He's just bouncing around all over to places where I
Speaker 2: don't even know why he went there. Eventually, in July
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, after Crooks failed his assassination attempt, that's
Speaker 2: where Ruth seemed like I'm one hundred percent all in.
Speaker 2: He texts somebody that a Ukraine or at least the
Speaker 2: DOJ charging paper said that he texts somebody he believed
Speaker 2: to be a Ukrainian trying to buy a rocket launcher,
Speaker 2: and obviously that never came to Fruid. But he also
Speaker 2: tried to get a fifty caliber sniper rifle and eventually
Speaker 2: settle on a shitty SKS And he got this by
Speaker 2: turning back to his old Greensboro Connections former employee named
Speaker 2: Tina Brown Cooper, he texted her and say like, hey,
Speaker 2: I need a gun for protection. And then Tina Brown
Speaker 2: Cooper was a drawbuyer. He went she went to a
Speaker 2: black market gun dealer named Ronnie j Oxendine and said
Speaker 2: I need a gun. And then she shows up a
Speaker 2: couple of days later with Ryan Ruth in tow and
Speaker 2: Ronnie goes like, well, what the fuck. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: Ryan in like six years since he moved to Hi,
Speaker 2: and Tina admit that, oh, actually the gun belongs. The
Speaker 2: gun is for Ryan, it's not for me. The sale
Speaker 2: I think he sold it to him for like two
Speaker 2: hundred bucks. So he gets his SKS. He takes his
Speaker 2: daughter's Extera and beginning and around August, he drives from
Speaker 2: Greensboro down to Florida and now he's camping out at
Speaker 2: a truck stop and he he steals a license plate
Speaker 2: from another vehicle that was at the truck stop. We
Speaker 2: find this out later. He's also using aliases, including Brian Wilson.
Speaker 2: So again this is like, it's not like the most
Speaker 2: sophisticated stuff, but it does kind of remind me of McVeigh,
Speaker 2: like this guy just driving around the country olden license
Speaker 2: plates using aliases. Uh, it's at least it's.
Speaker 1: And jet and all of the place. And he has
Speaker 1: kids around this time too, as you me. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've kind of jumped around from the early two thousand
Speaker 1: or mid two thousands till roughly about a year or
Speaker 1: so ago now. And as during that time, I don't
Speaker 1: know how old his kids were in the time, but
Speaker 1: he also during that time had children. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: only in his late fifties I think now, so I
Speaker 1: assume his kids couldn't have been too old. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe they were grown during this period of time, but
Speaker 1: I guess I just imagine in my head they must
Speaker 1: have been younger. And just to factor that end of
Speaker 1: the mind too, that this guy is a dad jet
Speaker 1: setting all over the place doing all this weird stuff.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, just that seems that strike strikes
Speaker 1: me as odd.
Speaker 2: I guess, well, this jet setting occurred last year, so
Speaker 2: the kids are all like in their thirties, but it
Speaker 2: was like during his criminal life in the early two
Speaker 2: thousands is when they were, you know, kids, Okay, I
Speaker 2: guess I guess we'll get to that when we talk
Speaker 2: more about done and the CP charges. But yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a whole, there's a whole another thread to tug on there,
Speaker 2: but let's just finish the lead up to the assassination
Speaker 2: for now. So he's camping out at this truck stop,
Speaker 2: and thirteen days before his attempt, the truck stop owner
Speaker 2: actually calls the county sheriffs in Palm Beach and says, hey,
Speaker 2: I think this guy's living here, and you like, conduct
Speaker 2: a wellness check, make sure he's not homeless, make sure
Speaker 2: he's not like setting up shop here. And the sheriffs
Speaker 2: come out and they talk to him and he's and
Speaker 2: he says, oh, I've just tried to find a shady
Speaker 2: spot to chill out. I'm here to you know, see friends.
Speaker 2: But I need to see the body cam footage because
Speaker 2: at this time he's using a stolen license plate, and
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if if the cops show up, they're not
Speaker 2: going to at least run the license plate and see
Speaker 2: that it doesn't match the vehicle. Did they do that, Like,
Speaker 2: did the Feds tell them not to arrest him. That's
Speaker 2: pure speculation, but it's something, you know, we need to
Speaker 2: find out whether they were just negligent and didn't even
Speaker 2: run the plates, or whether something deeper is going on,
Speaker 2: but they so he has a contact with local cops.
Speaker 2: Within two weeks of his attempt, they let him go again,
Speaker 2: and it's a couple of days later he goes to
Speaker 2: the Palm Beach International Airport and the search warrant for
Speaker 2: the state police notes that he parks and surveillance footage
Speaker 2: shows him walking around and at one point he goes
Speaker 2: to a spot in a parking garage where he has
Speaker 2: a clear view of Trump's airport hangar. So it seems
Speaker 2: like he like he wanted to get a fifty caliber
Speaker 2: sniper rifle and possibly take out Trump at the airport.
Speaker 2: I think that's what the state police are suggesting by
Speaker 2: putting that in the search warrant. So now we're getting
Speaker 2: up to days within the attempt, and all the while
Speaker 2: he's texting he's still trying to recruit Afghans who are
Speaker 2: living in Iran to go to Ukraine. An interesting thing
Speaker 2: about that is that Iran recently deported like one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand Afghans, and also the Iranian government was accusing some
Speaker 2: of the Afghans of like working on behalf of Israel,
Speaker 2: so that there's just like another little tie there that
Speaker 2: Ruth was in touch in touch with some of these
Speaker 2: same people. He was also trying to smuggle Afghans across
Speaker 2: the southern border. There was a couple families that had
Speaker 2: come to Brazil and now they're going through Mexico and
Speaker 2: Ryan Ruth texts one of his old contexts. We only
Speaker 2: know his name as Ramiro outside of Mexico City, and
Speaker 2: Ruth is saying, like, how much for you to take
Speaker 2: him across the border? They're haggling about prices. I believe
Speaker 2: he knew Ramiro from his days as a roofing contractor,
Speaker 2: because he says, Hey, this is Ryan from United Roofing.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if Ramiro actually provided him some labor
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, but that the human smuggling
Speaker 2: was earlier in the year. It was right before his
Speaker 2: assassination attempt he text Romiro saying, hey, I'll be visiting
Speaker 2: you soon. Pretty much he was trying to set up
Speaker 2: an escape plan. I guess his idea was to get
Speaker 2: away with the stolen license plate across the border and
Speaker 2: hang out with this Ramiro guy. Obviously that wasn't successful,
Speaker 2: and for some reason, we haven't heard anything more about Ramiro.
Speaker 2: So we're now the night before the assassination attempt. He's
Speaker 2: apparently still camping out at that truck stop, and two
Speaker 2: thirty am he starts camping out right outside of Trump's
Speaker 2: golf course, and we know this because the state search
Speaker 2: warrant says that's when his phone started pinging the local tower. There.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing about this, and I mentioned this to
Speaker 2: you this morning when we talk, is that, according to
Speaker 2: congressional report on the assassination attempts, Trump had not planned
Speaker 2: to golf that day. It was like a last minute decision,
Speaker 2: and the Secret Service weren't informed about Trump's golf plans
Speaker 2: until two am that day. So you have the Secret
Speaker 2: Service getting notified about Trump's golf plans at two am
Speaker 2: and appears at the golf course half an hour later.
Speaker 1: An odd snapshot in a Trump's life too, that is,
Speaker 1: at two am he decides to go golfing.
Speaker 4: But anyways, yeah, yeah, you know, you hear that guy,
Speaker 4: He only like sleeps four hours a day, so apparently, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't yeah, I don't know what that.
Speaker 2: Was about, but that's yeah, that's Trump that's a good point,
Speaker 2: that's a good insight into his personality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, That's the first thing. I was a
Speaker 1: hard time decide, hey, change my itinerary for tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But for all we know, he could have made that
Speaker 2: decision at like eleven PM or something. Secret Service just
Speaker 2: didn't really get word until a couple hours later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess because he was supposed to.
Speaker 2: Go with Lindsey Graham too, and I think Steve Witkoff
Speaker 2: was there during the attempt. Lindsey Graham canceled odd enough
Speaker 2: with a lot of people, that sets off there in Tennis,
Speaker 2: since Graham is such a big Ukraine support and this
Speaker 2: whole thing is such Ukrainian ties. So yeah, now we're
Speaker 2: at the assassination attempt. It's you know, one o'clock and
Speaker 2: Trump's on the fifth hole. A Secret Service agents his
Speaker 2: name came out in court, was doing advance on the
Speaker 2: sixth hole. Sees Ryan Ruth and actually the agent at
Speaker 2: first goes, you know, how are you doing, sir, And
Speaker 2: he testifies that Ruth just smiled at him, pointed his
Speaker 2: rifle kind of you know, it's creepy as Ruth's look
Speaker 2: that sounds like, you know, horror seen the Secret Service,
Speaker 2: didn't hesitate open fire five times and missed all five times.
Speaker 2: I believe he might have been in a golf court
Speaker 2: cart and he had a forty five pistol, so you know,
Speaker 2: he's not a great shot. But also it's not like
Speaker 2: he had an ar or something.
Speaker 1: It's not as comical as it sounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, I mentioned this at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the show. Ruth runs off, he gets
Speaker 2: pulled over forty five minutes later, and this is where
Speaker 2: the traffic backs up, and you know, there's a car crash,
Speaker 2: a little girl it's permanently crippled, and uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I'll stop there and see if you have
Speaker 2: any questions, because that's, you know, the sequence of events
Speaker 2: before we get into his family and all that.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's actually exactly where I was gonna
Speaker 1: go next. We've got the sequence of events. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the next move to I mean, because it's
Speaker 1: kind of still looking back at the past and kind
Speaker 1: of a gathering context for who this person is and
Speaker 1: where we're going with the story. But I figured family
Speaker 1: probably be just the next place to go. Sounds like
Speaker 1: you're going there anyways, because I did want to get
Speaker 1: a just kind of an idea of what's what the
Speaker 1: hell is going on there? We talked about this morning. Obviously,
Speaker 1: his son's been busted for child porn and he's I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not he Obviously it doesn't necessarily mean he had
Speaker 1: anything to do with it. You, So there's obviously that
Speaker 1: makes you wonder, you know, brings up questions. At the
Speaker 1: very least, is he has a troubled son. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously he has an odd life. So you're like, what
Speaker 1: to what degree does this family life plan to? Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I find this interesting. I mean, also,
Speaker 1: these people have to have a mother. I'm assuming too,
Speaker 1: so that there's a I know that these are things
Speaker 1: that can s had light upon the character of a man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. And Yeah, before I get
Speaker 2: into that, I just found the passage in my book
Speaker 2: that shows his travels. In twenty twenty four alone, he
Speaker 2: took plane trips from Hawaii to San Francisco, Phoenix, Saint Louis, Atlanta,
Speaker 2: and his hometown of Greensboro. The tickets were purchased by
Speaker 2: his fiance, Kathleen Schaeffer, who rode with him on quote
Speaker 2: some of the flights. The tickets were about one thousand
Speaker 2: dollars apiece.
Speaker 1: So by the way, it was Mark. He was sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean to step in, but it was Mark David
Speaker 1: Chapman as the one who killed Lennon, and it was
Speaker 1: the name of his wife. Is that it was Gloria
Speaker 1: Abbe who's still with him to this day, and she
Speaker 1: was the one who was running him. I think kind
Speaker 1: of around the world the same similar type thing as that,
Speaker 1: So I know, just find that interesting, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of history rhymes. But yeah, we had a Mark
Speaker 1: David Chapman and his old lady is still with him
Speaker 1: to this day. Well, I think, yeah, So.
Speaker 2: It is worth mentioning because Schaeffer wasn't called to testified,
Speaker 2: she wasn't charged. We haven't heard anything from her. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're protecting her, but it seems like
Speaker 2: she should either be criminally culpable or she should have
Speaker 2: been a prosecution witness. I don't see how they could
Speaker 2: have just left her alone. Hopefully we'll eventually get interview reports,
Speaker 2: maybe somebody for we need somebody to actually like try
Speaker 2: to do this case. But let's get into the family.
Speaker 2: So it was like two days later, his son gives
Speaker 2: an interview to the u K. Daily Mail and says,
Speaker 2: my dad is a peaceful man. I don't think he
Speaker 2: did this. He's a good guy, and I think the
Speaker 2: police were already investigating or in at the time. But
Speaker 2: in any event, he gets raided a couple of days
Speaker 2: later and cops and the FBI find a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of drugs, and when they search as electronic device is,
Speaker 2: they find that he was into CP, and not just
Speaker 2: any CP. He was specifically into the world of calm,
Speaker 2: which is kind of the larger taxonomy within like seven
Speaker 2: six four or that seven six four is within. You know,
Speaker 2: you've got true crime stuff where people glorify serial killers
Speaker 2: and mass shooters. You've got the seven six four stuff,
Speaker 2: which is like getting little girls to abuse themselves, and
Speaker 2: then you have other just CP enthusiasts where you're all
Speaker 2: in a chat room sharing your favorite things, and at
Speaker 2: one point he's even trying to do it in real life.
Speaker 2: This came out in court. I think when he initially
Speaker 2: got charged, This would be like October of last year,
Speaker 2: so about a year ago. Almost a lot of people
Speaker 2: compared him to Steven Paddock's brother because we all know,
Speaker 2: Steven Paddock's brother said, oh, my brother wouldn't do this,
Speaker 2: and he immediately got charged with CP. But this doesn't
Speaker 2: appear to be the case here, because it turned out
Speaker 2: that the local sheriffs had already received a tip from
Speaker 2: some like a federal nonprofit that works with the FBI
Speaker 2: that kind of investigates these cases. They got a tip
Speaker 2: from a tech company. They passed it along to the
Speaker 2: local sheriff, and in late twenty twenty three, the sheriffs
Speaker 2: even visit the mother's house and leave their business card
Speaker 2: with her and said, hey, we're looking for Oran. We're
Speaker 2: investigating his activities, you know, related to the abuse of children.
Speaker 2: And the mother called Orrin and told him this, and
Speaker 2: he just never responded. You know, he's not going to
Speaker 2: like turn himself in, I guess, because he knows he'd
Speaker 2: be in big trouble. But it was after his dad
Speaker 2: gets you know, nationally famous, that the local law enforcement
Speaker 2: and the FBI returned to him. They find all this
Speaker 2: nasty material in his devices, they charge him, And it
Speaker 2: was at his sentencing hearing a couple months ago that
Speaker 2: I attended where we learned a lot of the family history.
Speaker 2: Ryan got divorced with Oran's mother when he was twelve,
Speaker 2: which this would have been in the mid two thousands,
Speaker 2: when he's getting into all his crime and apparently it
Speaker 2: really affected him. But before that he seemed kind of
Speaker 2: like a borderline abusive or oppressive father. He would give
Speaker 2: him like a whole bunch of books and always be
Speaker 2: quizzing him and pressuring him, and whenever Orran did bad
Speaker 2: in school, he would like really rate him, even though
Speaker 2: you know, Ryan himself was kind of a scumbag criminal.
Speaker 2: At one point, Oran's living with his mother, but when
Speaker 2: he's fifteen, he wanted to go live with Ryan, but
Speaker 2: that didn't work out. They got into an argument and
Speaker 2: Ryan kicked him down the stairs. Oron eventually gets a
Speaker 2: scholarship to go to state school. So he obviously was
Speaker 2: a bright kid, but he only lasted a semester, kind
Speaker 2: of like Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was thinking, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Then he gets a job as like a roadie where
Speaker 2: he's setting you know, concerts, including like international concerts, which.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, that's a new one. That's a good
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's a that's a new one.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that one before. Obviously I'm being a
Speaker 1: little bit cynical here, and I think people know what
Speaker 1: I'm alluding to, and kind of a perfect cutout.
Speaker 2: It was the perfect I mean when we're trying to
Speaker 2: coop Maduro. The first Trump administration in like twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: I remember, like Richard Branson and all these people held
Speaker 2: a huge benefit concert I think in Venezuela, and there
Speaker 2: were reports of them like smuggling in actual weapons through
Speaker 2: these under the auspices of or concert. And so I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's what Or was into, but he
Speaker 2: was like also traveling the world.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could see what where his h
Speaker 1: where he worked at what venues. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that'd be too deep and you can't find that stuff.
Speaker 1: That'd be interesting to see what ones he worked.
Speaker 2: That might be in my notes. So I'll have to
Speaker 2: go pull that up that I did make a mental
Speaker 2: note that I like, I gotta find out more. But
Speaker 2: it's just been such a deluge of information. Uh So, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got Ryan Ruth Or, sorry, we got Or and
Speaker 2: Ruth and that whole saga ended. He was sentenced to
Speaker 2: seven years in prison, and I guess the next thing
Speaker 2: to get into would be Ryan's actual trial and all
Speaker 2: the proceedings.
Speaker 1: There is there any meaning for I know as a daughter.
Speaker 1: Do we know anything about her? I know other than
Speaker 1: I guess she did cry at the latest trial with him,
Speaker 1: which obviously we'll get into that, and I think she's
Speaker 1: done nothing but vouch for him. Is there anything particular?
Speaker 1: Is she the same does she share the same mother
Speaker 1: as the other son or is it a different mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's orange there the daughter, and then
Speaker 2: there is Adam Ruth. I don't know anything about Adam.
Speaker 2: Sarah is. Yeah, she seems a little bit out there.
Speaker 2: We didn't learn anything her until like the last week
Speaker 2: was the first time she ever spoke publicly. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll get to that, but I guess let's start at
Speaker 2: the beginning of Ryan's criminal defense, which he originally originally
Speaker 2: had lawyers who seemed to be doing the best they
Speaker 2: could fighting an uphill battle. They filed several interesting motions
Speaker 2: in early twenty twenty five, pretty much claiming that the
Speaker 2: FBI tainted evidence, which it pretty much did. One of
Speaker 2: the motions was to prohibit the Justice Department from introducing
Speaker 2: Ryan's rifle as evidence, and the reason they did that
Speaker 2: is because the FBI apparently collected the rifle from the
Speaker 2: scene and then they took it to Quantico and they
Speaker 2: claimed to test fire it, and then they just took
Speaker 2: it apart and put it in a drawer. And the
Speaker 2: defense goes like, hey, wait a minute, we don't know
Speaker 2: if this rifle was functional, Like we don't know anything
Speaker 2: about it, and now it's tainted forever. We can never
Speaker 2: discover that. So there was a long legal fight. Eventually
Speaker 2: the defense was allowed to test fire it. It shot
Speaker 2: the first time, but then the second time it jammed,
Speaker 2: and so you know, it really didn't help Ryan too
Speaker 2: much because one shot is all you need, uh, But
Speaker 2: it just goes to show you that, you know, the
Speaker 2: most prestigious law enforcement agency and the country. You know,
Speaker 2: they almost bungled it, Like if it would have jammed
Speaker 2: on the first shot, that would have been a real problem.
Speaker 2: And the FBI later claimed in court that the rifle
Speaker 2: was perfectly operational when they tested it, and their excuse
Speaker 2: was that they used some kind of like corrosive acid
Speaker 2: to uncover the serial number that Ruth kind of buffed out.
Speaker 2: But they have some kind of special acid where you
Speaker 2: could like still see the engravings, So that was their
Speaker 2: excuse for why it probably misfired. I see your face.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound I don't like doing that on the
Speaker 2: outside of the stock with fire.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the exact gun or anything,
Speaker 1: and I'm no gun expert, but that just doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense to me that how some sort of oil or
Speaker 1: something from the stock. It's like, No, it sounds like
Speaker 1: you let it sit into probably a dusty area and accumulate.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I just probably maybe even
Speaker 1: threw it in its place, banged up. Probably just yeah,
Speaker 1: probably just jammed after one shot for those reasons. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm talking to my butt, but yeah,
Speaker 1: probably just sitting around in a shitty spot. They don't
Speaker 1: have a good uh, they don't have a good track
Speaker 1: record of keeping keeping track of evidence or or taking
Speaker 1: care of evidence at all. I mean, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a whole saga of that local in the city bombing stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know their lab coming into questions.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's an entire book called tainting Evidence, like
Speaker 2: Ruby Ridge, Waco, even the O. J. Simpson case. I
Speaker 2: haven't read that book yet, but I did read the
Speaker 2: Okay section. Uh, so they not. Another thing to add
Speaker 2: about the rifle is this just shows you, like what
Speaker 2: a crazy clown Ryan was, is that the scope was
Speaker 2: like taped on and like glued on, so like the
Speaker 2: scope wouldn't have worked. Yeah, so again, like if he
Speaker 2: had lawyers, they might have been able to inject some
Speaker 2: kind of reasonable doubt as to like the seriousness of
Speaker 2: his assassination attempt.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, do you think fed's just like
Speaker 1: like if you do get to like top level glowy
Speaker 1: weird ops, like are they like just all turbolibs, because
Speaker 1: it's always seems to be or maybe they're just it's
Speaker 1: almost like are they giving us winks? I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you'd assert one thing another, but like say,
Speaker 1: for JFK the magic bullet theory, we're getting a magic
Speaker 1: bullet theory. Again, it always seems to be these silly
Speaker 1: little things only like a turbolib wouldn't really like if
Speaker 1: I was doing a cover up for the the FBI,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be like, yeah, well, say it was
Speaker 1: a thirty hot six, they'll buy it, like just stuff
Speaker 1: not saying obviously that's fake, but you just usually as
Speaker 1: an example, since it's timely, it just always seems I
Speaker 1: don't know, just it's like just just stuff like taping
Speaker 1: on a scope, like I mean, come on, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it just seems obviously maybe it's just a side. Mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a stupid aside for me there. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you have anything to add to that, but
Speaker 1: it is always that always seems to be the the
Speaker 1: Achilles Heels, some dumb turmo turbolib nonsense where you're like,
Speaker 1: how did you not know this? How do you not know? This?
Speaker 1: Made no sense? Well, I forget to.
Speaker 2: Get into it, like total speculation on my part is
Speaker 2: that I think, Again, I don't know, but I think
Speaker 2: that might be the case where July thirteenth was like
Speaker 2: a serious attempt where Trump was supposed to die and
Speaker 2: that crook said like a very nice AR fifteen with
Speaker 2: a red dot site. So but I think maybe the
Speaker 2: follow up attempt was not supposed to succeed, but maybe
Speaker 2: they just ran ruthed Trump to muddy the waters because
Speaker 2: up until that point, when Congress was laser focused on Butler,
Speaker 2: but now you have two cases, it's going to confuse
Speaker 2: the public. It's going to distract people. I think it
Speaker 2: might have just muddy at the waters. It wasn't actually
Speaker 2: designed to be a serious attempt. And I do think,
Speaker 2: you know, this was all just Ryan being an idiot
Speaker 2: because he bought it from that Ronnie guy, because he
Speaker 2: tried to get a fifty caliber but he only had
Speaker 2: this crappy sas Chinese model.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, To be clear, I wasn't trying to get
Speaker 1: you assert he was a glory. I just think it's
Speaker 1: just funny that it's always seems to be with these
Speaker 1: deep events, there always seems to be these flaws that
Speaker 1: like if you're just like a normal red blooded American,
Speaker 1: you go, huh. But like it's like, but then there's
Speaker 1: like a if we are to assume there's puppets at
Speaker 1: play or puppeteers at play, You're like, do you just
Speaker 1: guys just not have you never shot a gun? Have
Speaker 1: you like just little things like that, You're just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I guess I guess that's
Speaker 1: more just kind of getting at, like to the character
Speaker 1: of the people that would do these sort of things,
Speaker 1: so they just that out of touch. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I know, maybe I'm just talking to myself here.
Speaker 1: It just seems to be I'm noticing a pattern here,
Speaker 1: and it's funny to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so yeah, that's the that's the rifle. Everything
Speaker 2: that Ruth did was half baked. But we're on the
Speaker 2: subject of FBI tsing evidence. So another interesting motion that
Speaker 2: the defense filed was to prohibit uh, the witness who
Speaker 2: saw Ruth running away from the golf course from testified.
Speaker 2: And this one actually was far more intriguing and I
Speaker 2: think had more legal substance than the rifle because the
Speaker 2: witness actually initially told the cops that he saw about
Speaker 2: six foot two blonde guy, which matches Ruth, but the
Speaker 2: witness described him as somebody in his twenties, which fine,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. Somebody with like a full head of hair,
Speaker 2: blond from thirty yards away or so lean guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a distance I could see. Maybe you think
Speaker 1: he was young, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And the witness also said that
Speaker 2: he saw that Ruth threw something through the sun roof
Speaker 2: of the Exterra when the Exterra didn't have a sunroof,
Speaker 2: and they also found a footprint right next to the
Speaker 2: Exterra that didn't match Ruth. So there were a couple
Speaker 2: interesting things that could inject out there. After the witness
Speaker 2: talks to the local cops, they fly him in a
Speaker 2: helicopter to where Ruth was pulled over on the I
Speaker 2: ninety five, and the local cops did everything by the books.
Speaker 2: They're like, hey, we don't want to pressure you. You
Speaker 2: look at Ruth, you know, is this the guy? And
Speaker 2: the witness says, yeah, I'm ninety nine percent sure. And
Speaker 2: after that, though, is where more tainting comes into play,
Speaker 2: where he goes to the FBI office and then the
Speaker 2: agents show them a photo of Ruth, you know, getting
Speaker 2: like a purp shot, and they're like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: the guy, right for sure? This is the guy, And
Speaker 2: the witness is like, oh, yeah, okay, I guess. And
Speaker 2: so the defense filed the motion saying the FBI tan
Speaker 2: and the witness this was highly leading. You didn't show
Speaker 2: him a criminal lineup with five different suspects. You just
Speaker 2: showed him a picture of Ruth. And so they tried
Speaker 2: to prohibit the witness from testifying too, but Judge Cannon
Speaker 2: overruled that. But I think you know, they still were
Speaker 2: to cross examined the witness, and they could have brought
Speaker 2: all this up. But after the two motions failed and
Speaker 2: there was another motion to disqualify the gun charges on
Speaker 2: Second Amendment grounds, which is kind of like a legally
Speaker 2: interesting case, but we don't have to get into that
Speaker 2: because it's not really a fact based thing. But I
Speaker 2: think Ruth got kind of dismayed or frustrated at his lawyers,
Speaker 2: and this is around July or August. He fires them
Speaker 2: and says, I'm gonna represent myself, and that's it was
Speaker 2: just a total shit show. After that, his opening statement,
Speaker 2: he was given forty five minutes, and first of all,
Speaker 2: he apologizes to the jurors, like, oh, I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: take you away from your life to be here. He
Speaker 2: starts talking, and like within five minutes, he goes into
Speaker 2: a rant about like Hitler and Gaza, and Judge Cannon
Speaker 2: interrupts him. She tells the jury to leave. She scolds him.
Speaker 2: She's like, hey, you got to stick to the case.
Speaker 2: You can't just, you know, go into your theory about
Speaker 2: world affairs. Brings the jury back in, and Ryan immediately
Speaker 2: starts talking about like Hitler again, and that's when Judge
Speaker 2: Cannon just totally shuts him down and says, okay, you
Speaker 2: don't get an opening statement because you can't follow the
Speaker 2: course rules. So it didn't get much better than there.
Speaker 2: From there, the DJ speeds through its evidence that the
Speaker 2: trial was initially supposed to last until mid October, but
Speaker 2: it wrapped up this week because Ruth's cross examination was
Speaker 2: either totally pointless Judge Cannon would shut him down. At
Speaker 2: one point, he asked a witness like, would you go
Speaker 2: to Taiwan on plan a concert with me? And Judge
Speaker 2: kind It's like just like, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like you're done. The FBI called a Secret Service agent
Speaker 2: that spotted him to testify, and Russell Lee cross examination
Speaker 2: was well, I didn't actually shoot you, and the agent goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you did point a rifle at me, and you
Speaker 2: know that is a little bit traumatizing. Interesting about the
Speaker 2: Secret Services evidence is that they actually have recorded radio
Speaker 2: transmissions of saying, hey, we spotted somebody in the bush.
Speaker 2: Bush's shots fired, shots fired. And they didn't record the
Speaker 2: Butler event though, and what they like, oh, well after
Speaker 2: Butler they started recording, But that's not the case. There's
Speaker 2: a recent GAO report that said that they still don't
Speaker 2: record for all their events, so it just so happened
Speaker 2: that they were recording while Trump was golfing. Well they
Speaker 2: didn't court for an official event, but I find that
Speaker 2: to be highly suspicious.
Speaker 1: That is weird. That is weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, Ruth called three defense witnesses, including Artie,
Speaker 2: who was one of the crackheads who was involved in
Speaker 2: twenty ten schemes. Another one was one of Orn's childhood friends,
Speaker 2: and they both said, well, yeah, Ryan Rue's a good guy,
Speaker 2: but we haven't seen him since twenty nineteen when he
Speaker 2: moved to Hawaii, So you know, that didn't help him
Speaker 2: at all. And even if they saw him up until
Speaker 2: September tenth, you know, it wouldn't have helped him. Like
Speaker 2: testifying that he's a nice guy, that's not evidence. His
Speaker 2: one expert witness was Michael McLay, who was a former
Speaker 2: Marine sniper instructor who now works for American Airlines. But
Speaker 2: he's the guy that tests fired as skas and it
Speaker 2: jammed on the second round. But McLay didn't help him
Speaker 2: either because McClay said, well, the place where he was
Speaker 2: perched was actually would have had a view of Trump
Speaker 2: on the sixth hole, and so like that kind of backfired.
Speaker 1: On Ruth and McLay was the guy that he called
Speaker 1: to the stand that was his his selected witness submarine sniper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it didn't do anything for him? Was it damning?
Speaker 1: Team though? Like like or because you can try to
Speaker 1: we talked this morning a little bit method to the madness.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of prying at that a little bit, kind
Speaker 1: of like kind of like what what what actually ended
Speaker 1: up being the case here?
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyways, go on, I would says it was
Speaker 2: damning because part of the d OJ's case was that
Speaker 2: this was like a sniper perch at the golf course
Speaker 2: where he was. And yeah, I guess that that reminds
Speaker 2: me this is like the safe place where paparazzi would
Speaker 2: hang out with their cameras and try to photograph Trump
Speaker 2: as he golfed, So like it was kind of a
Speaker 2: known spot. But I don't know how Ryan knew that
Speaker 2: was like a perfect spot. Again, I got, I got,
Speaker 2: that's not something you could google. He either had to
Speaker 2: do intense surveillance and planning or somebody just told him like,
Speaker 2: oh that's a perfect spot, like that's where the photographers
Speaker 2: hang out. You could get him there.
Speaker 1: What were the credentials in that sniper again, there's something
Speaker 1: you said there that I thought it was interesting if
Speaker 1: you could jog my memory. What was his credentials?
Speaker 2: He was a marine and he was a sniper instructor.
Speaker 2: But now he's an American Airlines pilot.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what caught my eye. American Airlines like
Speaker 1: a pilot like me. But go on, yeah, like Barry
Speaker 1: Seal or something. Just American Airlines isn't isn't American Airlines
Speaker 1: that uses a cutout? Right? This is one of the
Speaker 1: cutouts or I mix it up like one of the
Speaker 1: Oh I'm retarded. I'm mixing that up with they all
Speaker 1: sound as Air America. There you go. I'm just an idiot.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, No, okay, all right, there you go.
Speaker 1: Never mind.
Speaker 2: All those guys work, old buddy.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, just want to clear that up, all right, cool?
Speaker 1: I was just mixing the two up, got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, It's the only reason I mentioned that is
Speaker 2: because the DOJ initially tried to say mcclay's not an
Speaker 2: expert because he's just a pilot. But he does have
Speaker 2: a legitimate resume as you know, a military with you know,
Speaker 2: sniper expertise and so ruth. You know, he calls these
Speaker 2: three witnesses. He initially wanted to have like twenty witnesses,
Speaker 2: including some like professors from NYU that he didn't even know,
Speaker 2: but he wanted to have them come down and testify
Speaker 2: about like the importance of democracy and why Trump's a
Speaker 2: demagogue and stuff like that. This total just total nonsense.
Speaker 2: I guess. One of the most humorous witnesses he wanted
Speaker 2: to testify was a former lover who wanted him to
Speaker 2: spank her in bed, and he said no. And that
Speaker 2: was supposed to demonstrate that he's peaceful. So Judge Cannon
Speaker 2: called that like a farce. You're not going to make
Speaker 2: a farce out of my court proceeding. So yeah, all
Speaker 2: that failed. He declines to testify, but he is allowed
Speaker 2: to give closing arguments, and basically his whole argument was, well,
Speaker 2: I never pulled the trigger. But you know that's that's
Speaker 2: pretty dubious. So the jury went to lunch, say this
Speaker 2: is yesterday. It's been a long day. Yeah, it's just yesterday,
Speaker 2: And then it didn't even take two hours for them
Speaker 2: to return a verdict. And that's when he initially or
Speaker 2: that's when he had to stab himself in the neck
Speaker 2: with a pen. Couldn't even do that properly. He did
Speaker 2: a check the old brought back into court. His daughter
Speaker 2: Sarah starts screaming, you out, don't do anything to yourself.
Speaker 2: She storms out of the room the courtroom. She's filmed
Speaker 2: walking briskly in her white dress. And yeah, that's that.
Speaker 2: He hasn't been sentenced yet. I expect him to be
Speaker 2: sent to some sort of communications management.
Speaker 1: Unit or super That was my next question.
Speaker 2: Is the one guy where I don't feel bad at
Speaker 2: all because just the more I study Thomas Crooks, I
Speaker 2: think he was like kind of a good kid who
Speaker 2: somehow was radicalized. The more I study Ryan Ruth, I
Speaker 2: think he is just a narcissistic asshole who wanted to
Speaker 2: make history because he's got reflated.
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely don't feel bad for the guy, but
Speaker 1: I actually would definitely prefer he doesn't go to one
Speaker 1: of those MAX things, just so we're able to talk
Speaker 1: to him so much much like I'm much like. For example,
Speaker 1: if we do find out this Tyler guy is actually
Speaker 1: the guy that did you know was the one who
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger or was involved, I still wouldn't be
Speaker 1: calling for the death penalty because we don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, and we need to you know,
Speaker 1: these are the best witnesses we have, so we want
Speaker 1: to be able to have access to these people, whether
Speaker 1: that means being living or being able to not be
Speaker 1: completely shut off from the outside world entirely. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: want access to these people. So I guess, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was kind of like my next question was that if
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able, but yeah, that is probably I
Speaker 1: would assume he's probably gonna have some sort of a
Speaker 1: communication severely limited, some sort of super Max of some sort.
Speaker 1: I guess then the question would be, we talked about
Speaker 1: this morning, but you know, I guess I feel like
Speaker 1: I kind of have to ask this question again just
Speaker 1: for the purpose of this, you know, the manner of
Speaker 1: this episode just kind of the idea of the method
Speaker 1: behind the madness. But I guess I'll kind of reframed
Speaker 1: this question in such a way as so, like, what
Speaker 1: do you think was the effect of all the shenanigans
Speaker 1: at court? Because it sounds like to me, like, I know,
Speaker 1: if we're trying to read into like, oh he's crazy,
Speaker 1: this that well, you probably want to see like what
Speaker 1: ended up happening and then maybe try to decipher things
Speaker 1: from there. Do you think that it sounds to me
Speaker 1: like this basically spiked the case and also kind of
Speaker 1: left this as we said, he's probably getting ready to
Speaker 1: go off to Supermax and now we have this impression
Speaker 1: to the outside world that he's fucking alone. Uh, and
Speaker 1: now he's going off to probably some sort of SuperMac.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just kind of is my right in this
Speaker 1: assumption this is like a spiking of the case. Is
Speaker 1: this a I just I don't know, just kind of
Speaker 1: that question again too. Also just kind of have did you?
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like some Oswald type shit, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I will be honest, every time I've dug
Speaker 1: into it, it seemed he was pretty committed to the bit.
Speaker 1: He seemed like a pretty pretty he was turbolibed to
Speaker 1: the max. So just I don't, I don't know, just
Speaker 1: thoughts I guess, because I mean the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like if this was a glowy up like and they
Speaker 1: wanted to shuttle this guy off to not be seen
Speaker 1: and uh and kind of make him look like a
Speaker 1: crazy person, well you know, mission accomplished. But also he
Speaker 1: sold the he sold the He sold it pretty well
Speaker 1: if that was what he was doing. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly wasn't a witting operative, but I do
Speaker 2: think he was very easily manipulated. And I do think, yeah,
Speaker 2: the trial was a total farce. I think Judge Cannon
Speaker 2: participated in the cover up. But yeah, we talked about
Speaker 2: this this morning. But there was an untold amount of
Speaker 2: classified information in this case, which I believe had to
Speaker 2: do with his travels in Ukraine other such things. And
Speaker 2: Judge Cannon sign an order in August saying that the
Speaker 2: DOJ is allowed to keep this hidden because it could
Speaker 2: quote jeopardize national security, which is just a very odd thing.
Speaker 2: If he is just a run of the mill looney
Speaker 2: tune who just hidden the bushes and tried to kill Trump,
Speaker 2: then why is there classified information that could jeopardize national security?
Speaker 2: Absolutely no sense. And yeah, letting him represent himself was
Speaker 2: obviously a huge heir too, not only for Ruth's rights,
Speaker 2: but I think the defense might have been able to
Speaker 2: tease more information from the government. Yeah, and I guess yeah.
Speaker 2: I mentioned before we jump off that after this there
Speaker 2: is an aftermath that after Ruth's attempts. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: we get a lot more rumors about an Iranian assassination plot.
Speaker 2: And this came out earlier this year where Trump started
Speaker 2: using a plane that was owned by Steve Whitcough because
Speaker 2: the government was telling him that people have shipped or
Speaker 2: smuggled Iranian missiles into the countries and there's hit squads
Speaker 2: out to get you. They want to blow up your plane,
Speaker 2: and so his cruise is like campaign staff still use
Speaker 2: Trump Force one, but he used this decoy plane with
Speaker 2: Witcoff for the last couple of months of campaign. And
Speaker 2: there's a book called twenty twenty four which is written
Speaker 2: by a Washington Post reporter that details some of the
Speaker 2: bizarre things that the Secret Service was telling him. Against
Speaker 2: one point, his staff is going going to Trump Force one,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, the Secret for Service is
Speaker 2: like keep down and run, run, run, get on the plane.
Speaker 2: Like it really seems like a total syop they did
Speaker 2: on Trump to make it seem like Iran was out
Speaker 2: to get him. And I Sean this was on Sean
Speaker 2: Ryan's show too. He's talking about like Iranian missiles invisible bombs,
Speaker 2: and I believe that they spun evidence from Ruth's case
Speaker 2: to present this intelligence, like Ruth's texting about getting a rocket. Luner.
Speaker 2: He had also been in touch with Afghans and he
Speaker 2: had been building drones with these Iranians in Ukraine. So
Speaker 2: like at least they had like something very tenuous to
Speaker 2: spin and tell Trump, like, Hey, Iran's behind you.
Speaker 1: And if you look at it from that perspective of
Speaker 1: like you're trying to tell a boomer that he's going
Speaker 1: to be killed by Iran by some turbolib and you're
Speaker 1: dropping this intel to him. Yeah, I guess it is
Speaker 1: kind of almost kind of hilarious and almost perfect that
Speaker 1: this would be exactly probably what he had imagined is
Speaker 1: out there trying to kill him, this guy right here,
Speaker 1: the Ryan Rals of the world, see. I guess there's
Speaker 1: something comical to be said about that, man. I guess
Speaker 1: kind of any any final or something I wanted probably
Speaker 1: out there but I forgot. But was there any final
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Ryan rail stuff that you feel like
Speaker 1: we should cover? I mean, I guess just kind of
Speaker 1: maybe one less I just kind of what do you
Speaker 1: think of the hopes of getting anywhere with this? I mean,
Speaker 1: you said mention we needed Jesse trying to do. Seems
Speaker 1: like they kind of, you know, got their bases pretty
Speaker 1: well covered here. I don't know to what degree anything
Speaker 1: will go anywhere. I mean, they got them seems like
Speaker 1: they're about to have him mestled up tight, probably in
Speaker 1: some sort of communicated you know, lack of communication. They
Speaker 1: also got a son that I don't know what degree
Speaker 1: if this is, you know, intentional or not. But you know,
Speaker 1: a kid with some charges, some pretty hardcore charges is
Speaker 1: a leverage point. I don't know what. Didn't you said
Speaker 1: he got charged though, right, so you would assume that's
Speaker 1: not something that could be used as leverage in any
Speaker 1: way at this point. So you right, you think it's
Speaker 1: seven years You said, oh yeah, yeah, So okay, because
Speaker 1: I'll guess that too. So I don't know, maybe at
Speaker 1: least that's off off the table. So I assume that
Speaker 1: it's just the prison thing. I mean, I guess, thoughts,
Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna have a really gonna find
Speaker 1: out a damn thing about this or not? Really?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, No, the biggest thing would be Trump ordering the
Speaker 2: evidence to be declassified. That would be you know, the
Speaker 2: lowest hanging fruit that he could do tomorrow if he wanted,
Speaker 2: but I don't he either isn't aware or maybe there
Speaker 2: really is is really tie either you know, blackmail from
Speaker 2: doing it or something like that. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 2: the biggest thing we need is like people should be
Speaker 2: asking questions like who was this a rate or Israeli partner,
Speaker 2: things like that. It just seems really bizarre to me
Speaker 2: that nobody's asking these questions. Instead they're just totally speculating
Speaker 2: about the Kirk case. But but yeah, Trump ordered it
Speaker 2: to be declassified and meanwhile will try to foid the
Speaker 2: availabilation that isn't classified. But I gotta imagine that this
Speaker 2: is just gonna be enough cases that never really gets solved.
Speaker 1: I know what I wanted to say a minute ago,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that he's kind of the idea of how
Speaker 1: this could almost be a syop on the president of sorts,
Speaker 1: which kind of totally makes sense. But you know, on
Speaker 1: that note, I've heard people theorize. I think it's a
Speaker 1: pretty interesting theory, especially as of late, and if you
Speaker 1: understand to what degree he is committed to this terrorist state.
Speaker 1: Some of the recent claims, you know, especially Trump's lately
Speaker 1: for his defense of October or not of October seventh,
Speaker 1: but of the Gaza stuff has been pointed to, like
Speaker 1: chopped a baby's heads, chopped off, all the crazy atrocity
Speaker 1: stuff that I would say, for the most part, most
Speaker 1: people have kind of you know, it was bad obviously,
Speaker 1: but obviously I don't know your opinion. My point being
Speaker 1: is it seems like I wouldn't be surprised if world
Speaker 1: leaders were receiving some sort of pyops there as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, how we had on the ground level, just
Speaker 1: you know, us people we saw when that stuff was happening,
Speaker 1: like AI that was you know, being seeded out and stuff.
Speaker 1: So I can only imagine what world leaders behind closed
Speaker 1: doors and skiffs are being shown that are being you know,
Speaker 1: passed off as authentic intelligence. So, I mean, you can
Speaker 1: only imagine if you think about the games that are
Speaker 1: played on us, you can only imagine the games that
Speaker 1: are played on them. So and then they're playing those
Speaker 1: games on you. So it's just a big vicious sy
Speaker 1: op circle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Daniel Ellsberg wrote about that in his Memoirs where he's like, actually,
Speaker 2: people with access to the most top secret information are
Speaker 2: not really any better informed than just you know, reading
Speaker 2: anti war dot com every day. That's just as good
Speaker 2: because a lot of the most top secret information is
Speaker 2: just total bullshit.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, Ken, it's a pleasure having you on. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll have you on again sometime soon. You want
Speaker 1: to let people know where they can find you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Headline USA dot com on Twitter at jd
Speaker 2: Underscore Cash and the book that should be out by
Speaker 2: the end of the year is the Trump Assassination attempts
Speaker 2: what the investigations missed and why.
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