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<v Speaker 1>Leverage, unseen leverage to kind of gets you the dark

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that we talked about. Sometimes the show that's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that they're able to manipulate this administration to

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<v Speaker 1>this degree is quite insane. Hello, welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 1>No Way Jose podcast. I am your host, Jose galley Son.

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<v Speaker 1>Today I will be joined again by the great Ken Silva.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be talking about Ryan Rauth. The other would

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<v Speaker 1>be Assassin, the one people usually tend to think of

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<v Speaker 1>it as an afterthought. There's a lot to go into

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<v Speaker 1>with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to be very clear I do with

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<v Speaker 1>that intro. It was very Israel heavy. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>make think of something very clear. I have no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>whatsoever it links it to. I don't even necessarily suspect

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<v Speaker 1>one Israel of having a connection here. Just more that

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<v Speaker 1>intro I think painted a picture of kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>hidden hand of things like assassination, blackmail, the like. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>you could even throw in some of the recent foreign

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<v Speaker 1>policy news with some of the one eighty that's been

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<v Speaker 1>done over in the Russia Ukraine. So just kind of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Idea of what could a theoretically be the real world

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<v Speaker 3>effects of a bullet whizzing by your head, or a

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<v Speaker 3>supposed a turbolib that supposedly tried to kill you, and

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<v Speaker 3>those sort of how does this shape foreign policy?

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<v Speaker 1>How does this shape the world? But I think this

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<v Speaker 1>one has kind of gone a little bit overlooked, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to finally have Ken on to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>do a little bit of a dive into this. We've

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<v Speaker 1>done other episodes on this before, but it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of more primarily focused on the first assassination attempt. This

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<v Speaker 1>one kind of flew sport of under the radar, although

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of craziness to be talked about, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But with that, let's go and get Ken in here.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that, my friend? How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey? Not a whole lot. I was just thinking that

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on your show for about three years now,

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<v Speaker 2>because three years ago I was in Kentucky. I had

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<v Speaker 2>just been fired by the Epic Times, and you had

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<v Speaker 2>me on to talk about the Whitmer case. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was like literally September twenty twenty two. So yeah, we've

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<v Speaker 2>been knowing each other for a while, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>excited to get into the Ryan Ruth case since you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're one of the first shows I've been on. Give

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<v Speaker 2>us nak preview of chapter four of my book, The

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<v Speaker 2>Curious Case of Ryan Rude, and spoiler alert will get there.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a strong Israeli link.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, I actually was not aware of one. I

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<v Speaker 1>know there have been rumors of the foreign intel, although

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was actually Ukrainian. But I always forget.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always hard to keep track of all the different

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<v Speaker 1>goings on. So but I'll let you like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>keep going. Sorry me to step on you there.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh no. Yeah, So I'm obviously not going to read

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<v Speaker 2>from this because I would be boring, but I'll kind

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<v Speaker 2>of start from the beginning. So, yeah, the story is that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know Ryan Ruth. On September fifteenth, twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>he was hiding in the bushes of Trump's golf course

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<v Speaker 2>in Palm Beach. A Secret Service agent spot at him,

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<v Speaker 2>fired at five times at point blank range, missed all

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<v Speaker 2>five shots. Ruth runs away, jumps into his exster up

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<v Speaker 2>speeds off. A witness saw the local cops put out

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<v Speaker 2>a bow. They pulled him over about forty five minutes later.

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<v Speaker 2>It hit the news about a couple hours later, and

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<v Speaker 2>by midnight that night, we knew a whole lot about Ruth,

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<v Speaker 2>including a lot of his criminal background from when he

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<v Speaker 2>was in North Carolina. And yeah, so I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I'll start with the story of Ruth. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>always a criminal. In fact, in the nineties he made

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<v Speaker 2>the local Greensboro newspaper in nineteen ninety one because some

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<v Speaker 2>woman in that he got raped and her grapes are

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<v Speaker 2>sucking up your algorithm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>That, Oh you're fine. I say, child born all the

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<v Speaker 1>time and all this stuff. I'm not supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever, Yeah, it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was a woman got, you know, assaulted, and

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<v Speaker 2>he saw that and he actually chased down the perpetrator

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<v Speaker 2>when he jumped out the window. Later he helped the

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<v Speaker 2>cops track him down, he testified in his case helped.

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<v Speaker 2>But the guy in jail and the local newspaper did

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<v Speaker 2>or write up like call it him like a local

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<v Speaker 2>crime fighter.

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<v Speaker 1>So real quick, before we move on from that. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm misremembering here, but I almost played the intro just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of for nostalgia purposes, because although it wasn't really thematically,

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<v Speaker 1>I think quite on the nose. I almost played that one.

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<v Speaker 1>The Gletty one, didn't he have some sort of for

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<v Speaker 1>those That's one of our greatest hits, the Gletty Interview.

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<v Speaker 1>But didn't he have I mean, maybe I'm misremembering this.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought his beginning of how he kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>into the fold, I guess you could say, is with

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of weird tale along something similar to that, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't some sort of small time something or other in

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<v Speaker 1>and then went from there. Maybe I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for connections with they're on any But just

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<v Speaker 1>you said that, I'm like, there reminds me kind of

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<v Speaker 1>Glotty a little bit, because he was kind of the mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost the opposite. He caught like a local

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<v Speaker 2>drug charge and he became a police format that's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess he did such a good job that

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<v Speaker 2>the Feds wanted them for himself and then yeah, his

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<v Speaker 2>legend grew from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry not to throw you off. I just he

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<v Speaker 1>was on my mind, and I was like, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember to connect the similarity, but going uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No cut me off at any time, because I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>going to keep going through the history unless you interrupt. So,

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, he becomes you know, kind of a local hero.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that did to his personality. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>caught a little taste of fame or something that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>shaped what he would become. But that's pure speculation. In

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties, he attended North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University,

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<v Speaker 2>whose alumni also includes Clead Shik Mohammed. So that's a

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<v Speaker 2>random act. I have no idea what to make of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's quite distinguished.

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<v Speaker 1>What school was that? Again? What school was that?

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that does sound oddly specific. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it was. Maybe I missed it. It was some very generic

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<v Speaker 1>state university or something to be like, Oh, that probably

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<v Speaker 1>means nothing, but that does sound like a very specific school.

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<v Speaker 2>But small little school out just outside of Greensboro. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Khalid shake me Hame is like the supposed nine

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<v Speaker 2>to eleven mastermind. So he didn't graduate that from there,

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<v Speaker 2>he dropped out. He gets into a local construction business.

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<v Speaker 2>It really looks like he was hiring a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>illegal immigrants, which will come into play later with his

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<v Speaker 2>like human smuggling and things like that. It's two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and two seems to have been a banner year for

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<v Speaker 2>him and of him turning to a life of crime.

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<v Speaker 2>It started in April two thousand and two where he's

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<v Speaker 2>in a dispute with his Hispanic employees and this is

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<v Speaker 2>all according to local police reports. Apparently he's not paying them.

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<v Speaker 2>They get into a fight and he pulls out a

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<v Speaker 2>sod Off four to twenty shotgun and threatens one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>They all jump on him and like rustle it away,

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<v Speaker 2>but he manages to get into his truck and he

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<v Speaker 2>speeds out of his construction business and like clips one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Mexicans and gets away, but they call the cops,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cops I think they come to his house next,

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<v Speaker 2>and he like barricades himself in the house. It takes

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<v Speaker 2>a while for them to arrest him, and when they do,

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<v Speaker 2>they find explosives in his house and take them to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where his first documented contact with informants

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<v Speaker 2>comes into play. In jail, he calls another employee and says, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I have like explosives in this other warehouse that I own.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to get rid of him before the search,

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<v Speaker 2>and the police report says that a confidential, reliable informant

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<v Speaker 2>tipped off them to what Ruth said. And the interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing is here is that the report specifically said that

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<v Speaker 2>he was using a cell phone, so it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>he used the jail house phone and they were just

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<v Speaker 2>monitoring the call. Specifically, somebody at jail was an informant

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<v Speaker 2>and heard him talking on the cell phone. So in

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<v Speaker 2>any event, they go search his warehouse and they find

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<v Speaker 2>more explosives. They charge him with that, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>makes a bail. That's not the end of his two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and two zaga though. Later that year, while this

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<v Speaker 2>case is still uppending, he gets pulled over by a

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<v Speaker 2>local cop. This lady has given interviews about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>the lady cop says she comes up to Ruth's window

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<v Speaker 2>and sees what looks to be like a Tommy gun

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<v Speaker 2>just sitting on his passenger's seat, and she does get

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<v Speaker 2>out of the car, and instead he speeds off. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is actually when he goes to his house, he

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<v Speaker 2>barricades himself inside for several hours. There's a standoff until

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<v Speaker 2>he finally surrenders peacefully. After all that, the upshot is

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<v Speaker 2>that he only gets probation, so he spent a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of jail originally in April and probably got taken to

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<v Speaker 2>jail back later that night. That occurred in October. But

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<v Speaker 2>after all that, you know, serious serious crimes, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>committing a crime while you're out on bail never serves

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<v Speaker 2>a day in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're talking explosive charge, well he probably never received them.

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<v Speaker 1>Were there ever they ever hit him with the explosive

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<v Speaker 1>charge or they just ignore those.

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<v Speaker 2>He was they hit him with it, but he didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he just got probation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought that was a big deal, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>just me.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a big deal. And if the police reports

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<v Speaker 2>it says that the ATF became involved in this investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>and so this is the first documented contact with Feds too,

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<v Speaker 2>So he's been on the radar of the FED since

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<v Speaker 2>at least two thousand and two. Read straight from the

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<v Speaker 2>police report, pretty much Greensboro referred it to the ATF,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a special agent his name is redacted, stated,

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<v Speaker 2>you would be looking into this tournament if federal violations heard,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the police report concludes nothing further of a report.

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<v Speaker 2>I reached out to the ATF about this when I

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<v Speaker 2>found this a couple of months ago, and they of course,

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<v Speaker 2>declined to comment. I'll probably file a record's request now

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<v Speaker 2>that his case is over, maybe take something up about this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm intrigued. I think it is fair to speculate

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<v Speaker 2>he actually became an informant for the ATF or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that at the time, because yeah, very unusual not

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<v Speaker 2>to serve any prison time when you have a machine

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<v Speaker 2>gun and a bunch of explosive components along with the

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<v Speaker 2>sowd off board for ten shotgun, you know, employee of

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<v Speaker 2>legal immigrants. It's like, it's pretty blatant criminality here.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I want to apologize real quick to

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, two thousand and two. You know, after all this,

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<v Speaker 2>he's still committee misdemeanors, getting into civil disputes. His next

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<v Speaker 2>serious crime occurs in twenty ten, and by now he's

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<v Speaker 2>do work. But at night he would send crackheads into

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<v Speaker 2>the places that hired him and they'd rip out like

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<v Speaker 2>copper wires, steal the equipment, bring it back to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he would fence it. And this got busted up

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<v Speaker 2>again by the tip of a confidential informant, according to

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<v Speaker 2>police reports. So they arrested one of his employees, a

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<v Speaker 2>guy named Marshall Hinshaw, which funny enough, that guy was

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<v Speaker 2>one of his defense witnesses, his character witnesses this assassination trial.

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<v Speaker 2>one that's found this. So the informant the arrest Marty,

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<v Speaker 2>and then another informant tips off the police that Ruth

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<v Speaker 2>was also driving a stolen quote black slash broken duly

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<v Speaker 2>pickup truck. So the police starts surveilling Ryan and seeing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, where is he taking this stuff to, who's

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<v Speaker 2>involved in this? It was like a really major investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>They eventually arrest him again. They raid one of his

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<v Speaker 2>warehouses and they find thousands and thousands of dollars worth

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<v Speaker 2>of stolen equipment and other property you know, in his trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>And after all that, he gets charged again with three

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<v Speaker 2>more felonies. It violates his previous probation. There's a filing,

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<v Speaker 2>say in the Greensboro dockets saying he's violated his probation.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the very next day there's another document saying,

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<v Speaker 2>oh that was an air rescind that again really bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that I haven't gotten to the bottom too yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And again he goes to court and he gets probation.

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<v Speaker 2>After all this, I mean, that could have sent him

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<v Speaker 2>sure if he ever paid restitution. So that's twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>After all that, I don't really know what happened between

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten and two thousand and around nineteen, but at

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<v Speaker 2>some point, like the way I describe it as he

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<v Speaker 2>went from like a dirtbag leftist to like an activated

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<v Speaker 2>turbo live because like in the early twenty tens, you

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<v Speaker 2>have documents like he was living in the warehouse with

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<v Speaker 2>a lady, Like it seems like a real grungy guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But eventually he started getting really into politics, like around

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<v Speaker 2>the time I would imagine that, you know, Trump started running.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a little bit older, he gets activated. Used to

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<v Speaker 2>look at his old tweets. He had one point he

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<v Speaker 2>was like a fan of Tulsi Gabbard. He was doing

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<v Speaker 2>that hashtag let her Speak when Tulsi was getting shut

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Democratic debates. In twenty nineteen, he moves

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<v Speaker 2>to Hawaii with fiance Kathleen Shaefer. Who's this lady that

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<v Speaker 2>actually worked at Victoria Secret Which that kind of wrings

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<v Speaker 2>some like for all I know, she was just working

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<v Speaker 2>at some doorfront, but it does lead to speculation like

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<v Speaker 2>was she connected to like Les Wexner or something. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's that's kind of getting over our skime. But

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<v Speaker 2>he did finance a lot of his later activities. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems like she more than just a star clerk at

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<v Speaker 2>least middle management so it's it's worth noting.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it wasn't it Chapman that got brought to Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>within got brought by his old lady. I think too.

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<v Speaker 1>Theory is that there's some sort of unit in Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>where they do like it kind of put some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of finishing touches on the the old mind control or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that's. That's I don't know the specifics of it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something to do with Hawaii. MANGIONI went there. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's Chapman, whoever the Lenin killer was,

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<v Speaker 1>I forget the name of that guy. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>went there. And then obviously we have Routh going there.

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<v Speaker 1>There's someone else I'm missing too, but there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of them that I've gone to Hawaii, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think particularly one island too. I just can't remember which one.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's all. But I didn't think it was

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<v Speaker 1>funny that he's like, oh, he's going with a lady too,

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, islands in general are weird places, little bubble cultures.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I was somebody in the Libertarian Party wing

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<v Speaker 2>of the Hawaiian chapter was admitting that he's an informant,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, oh, I'm working for the essay. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like you don't. I don't know. People go

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<v Speaker 2>crazy on islands. It's bizarre. But that's really neither here

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<v Speaker 2>nor there, no no. But so in Hawaii in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody tips off the FBI that he had a firearm,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course he wasn't allowed to have as a

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<v Speaker 2>multiple time convicted felon. He was reported to the FBI,

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<v Speaker 2>and the FBI took no further action. That's about all

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<v Speaker 2>I have for that about his activities in Hawaii. It

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty twenty two, when Russia invaded Ukraine that he

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<v Speaker 2>really lost his mind. It seems like according to his

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<v Speaker 2>self published book, which he co wrote with his then fiance,

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<v Speaker 2>this lady Kathleen Schaeffer, he just says, I, just like

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<v Speaker 2>every other they're human with a moral compass. Knew that

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing to go to Ukraine and fight for

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of human rights, and that is what I did.

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<v Speaker 2>So he goes to Poland, he crosses the border, he

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<v Speaker 2>winds up in Kiev and he's he sets up like

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<v Speaker 2>this makeshift volunteer center where he's trying to sign people

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<v Speaker 2>up and send them to the front lines. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is all according to his self published book. Apparently like

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<v Speaker 2>the local police are like, what the fuck are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>And they teared down his tent, tear down all his banners,

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<v Speaker 2>and he got really upset with that. At one point,

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<v Speaker 2>he's at a protest about the fighters that were stuck

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<v Speaker 2>in the Azov Stole power plant. This is like at

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<v Speaker 2>the very beginning where Putin and Vainer and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of Ukrainians, like the a's guys were all like

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<v Speaker 2>hunkered down in this one site. And I guess there

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<v Speaker 2>was a big protest in Kiev to like, oh, the

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<v Speaker 2>government has to do something and extract these guys. And

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<v Speaker 2>Ruth gets thrown into jail with a bunch of Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 2>and Ruth is the only one let out. And he

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<v Speaker 2>attributed it. He attributes it to being an American. People

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding him were actually like, you know, what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing, Like, as an American, you should not

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<v Speaker 2>be joining protests. That's like very tone deaf and improper.

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<v Speaker 2>But so it's uncles, yeah, yeah, And a certain point

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<v Speaker 2>he gave an interview to The New York Times, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's The New York Times even characterizes it as like

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<v Speaker 2>Ruth is recruiting people from Syria and Afghanistan to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes Ruth's activities are illegal, so along with him being

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<v Speaker 2>reported to the fence by citizens, it's like in the

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<v Speaker 2>world's largest Western newspaper is literally saying that Ryan Ruth

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<v Speaker 2>is up to legal activities in Ukraine. So that had

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<v Speaker 2>to set off a whole bunch of red flags because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, intelligence assets from every civilized country read the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times. So he is obviously heavily monitored. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's unclear how successful he was about recruiting these people

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<v Speaker 2>from Syria and Afghanistan. I do have like letters where

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<v Speaker 2>some Afghanistan guys are writing to the ambassador like we're

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<v Speaker 2>working with Brian Ruth, Well you let us in Douse.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know whatever came to that. Eventually he moved

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<v Speaker 2>from that project to a drone project. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>where I'll say, this is where the Israeli link comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>And in his self published book he says his best quote,

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<v Speaker 2>his best partner was in Israeli and he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>this is just he throws that in there in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the book, he's rambling about democracy. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my best partner was in Israeli. However, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know, what Israel's doing is wrong. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>he's just rambling about what they're doing in Gaza. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's just, yeah, a very interesting link. And I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it's bizarre to me that next Blumenthal did an entire

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<v Speaker 2>article on Ruth's self published book and about all his

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<v Speaker 2>activities in Ukraine, and Blumenthal never mentioned the Israeli partner,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like a smoking gun link to the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>assassination attempt. But then three years later he writes an

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<v Speaker 2>article about the Kirk assassination based on anonymous sources, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's dating that you know, Kirk was breaking with Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why he was assassinated. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if Blumenthal was like just didn't do his search and

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<v Speaker 2>kindle for Israel that was like, that's what I did,

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I found it, or if a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people suggest that he's just like some Russian asset that

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<v Speaker 2>puts out missing. But it really annoys me that, like

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<v Speaker 2>his ship like went megaviral, when it's totally speculative. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I reported this solid link and like nobody is even

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<v Speaker 2>paying attention. Yeah, that's just me airing my petty jealousies.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't disagree with you, trust me. I see that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff many times. I look this stupid slop. It happens

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<v Speaker 1>such as our struggle or ejournal struggle exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So, so after this recruiting project, he actually teams

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<v Speaker 2>up with two Iranians. And again this is the context

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<v Speaker 2>of being in Ukraine. So I got to imagine these

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<v Speaker 2>were Iranian dissidents hanging out with the NAPO crowd. They

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<v Speaker 2>were probably also in bed with Israel, probably one of

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranians that want to throw over the government and

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<v Speaker 2>like reinstall the ARK or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The shmooly brand of Iranians. Yeah, which of you to

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<v Speaker 1>know that they actually do come from They are Iranian juices.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and they're like they were. It was weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I got that's a weird little rabbit hole I got

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<v Speaker 1>into back when the Twelve Day War or whatever, because

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<v Speaker 1>he was really pushing uh the the other guy or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and so then there were some weird connections. Anyways, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean to take you off but yeah, that is Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the a good example of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's interesting. There's also a couple Iranian dissidents that

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<v Speaker 2>are involved in these fake assassination plots. There's some Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish lady who Iran allegedly tried to kill and another

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<v Speaker 2>Iranian journalist who was also involved in something closely tied

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<v Speaker 2>to the Trump plot. But that's the topic for another episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So, yeah, Ruth and these Iranians start building drones

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<v Speaker 2>and it's they seem pretty makeshift. If you read his book,

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<v Speaker 2>he says they go all the way to the front

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<v Speaker 2>lines and he's trying to talk to military officials, being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to help you, and the military officials are

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<v Speaker 2>like telling the fuck off, like get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe really offended, like, oh, these people don't even want

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<v Speaker 2>my help, Like I'm putting my life on the line

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<v Speaker 2>and they won't even like give me gratitude. Really, it

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<v Speaker 2>just sounded like he was being annoying and totally unhelpful

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<v Speaker 2>and they probably, you know, we're super stressed and just

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<v Speaker 2>So he leaves in twenty twenty two, and in his

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<v Speaker 2>book he's like I was unsuccessful in the recruiting, unsuccessful

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<v Speaker 2>in this drone project, but I'm just trying to spread

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<v Speaker 2>the word now. Eventually, I'm pretty sure he winds up

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<v Speaker 2>in Taiwan. We don't have any super hard evidence of this,

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<v Speaker 2>but on his deleted tweets around sometime in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm in Taiwan, and he's like tweeting at all

418
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<v Speaker 2>the foreign leaders like hey, meet with me. I'm in Taiwan.

419
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<v Speaker 2>And I just found a letter with writing an ambassador.

420
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.640
<v Speaker 2>It was like a private letter where he's like, I'm

421
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<v Speaker 2>in Taiwan. So that's why I actually do believe that

422
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.559
<v Speaker 2>he went there. Now it's not just his public tweets.

423
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.599
<v Speaker 2>He said that in a private letter that he recently

424
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:21.480
<v Speaker 2>filed as in an exhibit. And I don't know if

425
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>he went here straight from Ukraine or if he went

426
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.440
<v Speaker 2>back to Hawaii and then went back to Taiwan at

427
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:30.960
<v Speaker 2>some point, because this is in twenty twenty three and

428
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.680
<v Speaker 2>he went home in twenty twenty two, so his movements

429
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:39.119
<v Speaker 2>are are not totally documented. I'm just trying to do

430
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the best I can. But in twenty twenty three is

431
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:47.119
<v Speaker 2>when he comes back to Hawaii from Japan, and this

432
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>is when the Customs and Border Patrol stop him at

433
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the airport and question him, and he admits that he's

434
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:59.440
<v Speaker 2>been recruiting Jihattis and Syria like mujahideen type guys in

435
00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Afghani stand to fight in the proxy war.

436
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:04.519
<v Speaker 4>You know.

437
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:06.319
<v Speaker 2>The New York Times reports of a lot of his

438
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.799
<v Speaker 2>activities were illegal. They certainly sound sketchy to me, But

439
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the CBP decided to do nothing. They let him in

440
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.240
<v Speaker 2>and they referred his case to DHS, which didn't take

441
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:25.039
<v Speaker 2>any further action. DHS, specifically HSI Homeland Security Investigations, was

442
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:29.319
<v Speaker 2>the agency that received the tip about him from CBP,

443
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>and after Ruth's assassination attempt, that the head of the

444
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>HSI actually testified to Congress. It was just like her

445
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:43.079
<v Speaker 2>turn to testify, and Matt gets asked her why you

446
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.839
<v Speaker 2>didn't do anything at the time, and her excuse was, well,

447
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have any hard proof that he was trying

448
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 2>to assassinate Trump at the time, so we took no

449
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>further action, even though he was clearly into a lot

450
00:26:54.400 --> 00:27:00.440
<v Speaker 2>of shady activities. Does make me believe that they continued

451
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>to monitor him, though. So he gets back into the country,

452
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and now we're in early twenty twenty four, and this

453
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:17.039
<v Speaker 2>scene when he turns towards the idea of plotting to

454
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 2>kill Trump in March twenty twenty four, he's actually his daughter.

455
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I just found out this last week in the trial.

456
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 2>His daughter received one hundred and sixty thousand dollars deposit,

457
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 2>which I don't know where this money came from. It

458
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>was a Fox News reporter writing an article she was

459
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.599
<v Speaker 2>in court. The article's not clear where the money came from.

460
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have to pull the transcript. But a

461
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.559
<v Speaker 2>month later is when Ruth wrote this infamous letter to

462
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.799
<v Speaker 2>the world where he says, if you're reading this now,

463
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I tried to kill Trump and I failed, but I'll

464
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.839
<v Speaker 2>offer whoever successful one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And

465
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 2>at the time everybody kind of laughed at that, like, oh,

466
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 2>this is just crazy ring. But clearly he did have

467
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the financial capacity where if he would have escaped and

468
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 2>not getting caught, he could have paid somebody to finish

469
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 2>the job one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He at

470
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 2>least had them. This letter was dropped off to two

471
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:21.440
<v Speaker 2>of his former employees. He put it in a box

472
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:26.119
<v Speaker 2>with a bunch of other like explosive components. And the

473
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 2>employees are also illegal immigrants. We know because they testified

474
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>against him and they had to use a translator. So

475
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>he continues to bounce around the country. And this is

476
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>according to a state search warrant, Kathleen Schaeffer is financing

477
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these trips. He goes to Phoenix, Arizona,

478
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>which you know McVeigh fans or you know, Okay seaheads

479
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>will probably recognize like an Arizona, and he goes all

480
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>He's just bouncing around all over to places where I

481
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>don't even know why he went there. Eventually, in July

482
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, after Crooks failed his assassination attempt, that's

483
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>where Ruth seemed like I'm one hundred percent all in.

484
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 2>He texts somebody that a Ukraine or at least the

485
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 2>DOJ charging paper said that he texts somebody he believed

486
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 2>to be a Ukrainian trying to buy a rocket launcher,

487
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 2>and obviously that never came to Fruid. But he also

488
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 2>tried to get a fifty caliber sniper rifle and eventually

489
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.119
<v Speaker 2>settle on a shitty SKS And he got this by

490
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 2>turning back to his old Greensboro Connections former employee named

491
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Tina Brown Cooper, he texted her and say like, hey,

492
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I need a gun for protection. And then Tina Brown

493
00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Cooper was a drawbuyer. He went she went to a

494
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:05.799
<v Speaker 2>black market gun dealer named Ronnie j Oxendine and said

495
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>I need a gun. And then she shows up a

496
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.559
<v Speaker 2>couple of days later with Ryan Ruth in tow and

497
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Ronnie goes like, well, what the fuck. I haven't seen

498
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Ryan in like six years since he moved to Hi,

499
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:24.559
<v Speaker 2>and Tina admit that, oh, actually the gun belongs. The

500
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.680
<v Speaker 2>gun is for Ryan, it's not for me. The sale

501
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:29.279
<v Speaker 2>I think he sold it to him for like two

502
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.799
<v Speaker 2>hundred bucks. So he gets his SKS. He takes his

503
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:40.480
<v Speaker 2>daughter's Extera and beginning and around August, he drives from

504
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>Greensboro down to Florida and now he's camping out at

505
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:53.039
<v Speaker 2>a truck stop and he he steals a license plate

506
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:58.079
<v Speaker 2>from another vehicle that was at the truck stop. We

507
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:04.640
<v Speaker 2>find this out later. He's also using aliases, including Brian Wilson.

508
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>So again this is like, it's not like the most

509
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.720
<v Speaker 2>sophisticated stuff, but it does kind of remind me of McVeigh,

510
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 2>like this guy just driving around the country olden license

511
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.480
<v Speaker 2>plates using aliases. Uh, it's at least it's.

512
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 1>And jet and all of the place. And he has

513
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>kids around this time too, as you me. I mean,

514
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.559
<v Speaker 1>we've kind of jumped around from the early two thousand

515
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>or mid two thousands till roughly about a year or

516
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>so ago now. And as during that time, I don't

517
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 1>know how old his kids were in the time, but

518
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>he also during that time had children. I mean, he's

519
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 1>only in his late fifties I think now, so I

520
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 1>assume his kids couldn't have been too old. I mean,

521
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe they were grown during this period of time, but

522
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess I just imagine in my head they must

523
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 1>have been younger. And just to factor that end of

524
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:46.759
<v Speaker 1>the mind too, that this guy is a dad jet

525
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:48.759
<v Speaker 1>setting all over the place doing all this weird stuff.

526
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, just that seems that strike strikes

527
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:51.160
<v Speaker 1>me as odd.

528
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.119
<v Speaker 2>I guess, well, this jet setting occurred last year, so

529
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 2>the kids are all like in their thirties, but it

530
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>was like during his criminal life in the early two

531
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.240
<v Speaker 2>thousands is when they were, you know, kids, Okay, I

532
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.599
<v Speaker 2>guess I guess we'll get to that when we talk

533
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>more about done and the CP charges. But yeah, there's

534
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 2>a whole, there's a whole another thread to tug on there,

535
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.960
<v Speaker 2>but let's just finish the lead up to the assassination

536
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 2>for now. So he's camping out at this truck stop,

537
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 2>and thirteen days before his attempt, the truck stop owner

538
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 2>actually calls the county sheriffs in Palm Beach and says, hey,

539
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.240
<v Speaker 2>I think this guy's living here, and you like, conduct

540
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 2>a wellness check, make sure he's not homeless, make sure

541
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 2>he's not like setting up shop here. And the sheriffs

542
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>come out and they talk to him and he's and

543
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>he says, oh, I've just tried to find a shady

544
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 2>spot to chill out. I'm here to you know, see friends.

545
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 2>But I need to see the body cam footage because

546
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.640
<v Speaker 2>at this time he's using a stolen license plate, and

547
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering if if the cops show up, they're not

548
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>going to at least run the license plate and see

549
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't match the vehicle. Did they do that, Like,

550
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.279
<v Speaker 2>did the Feds tell them not to arrest him. That's

551
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 2>pure speculation, but it's something, you know, we need to

552
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 2>find out whether they were just negligent and didn't even

553
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>run the plates, or whether something deeper is going on,

554
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>but they so he has a contact with local cops.

555
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Within two weeks of his attempt, they let him go again,

556
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 2>and it's a couple of days later he goes to

557
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 2>the Palm Beach International Airport and the search warrant for

558
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:46.599
<v Speaker 2>the state police notes that he parks and surveillance footage

559
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>shows him walking around and at one point he goes

560
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>to a spot in a parking garage where he has

561
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 2>a clear view of Trump's airport hangar. So it seems

562
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>like he like he wanted to get a fifty caliber

563
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 2>sniper rifle and possibly take out Trump at the airport.

564
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what the state police are suggesting by

565
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 2>putting that in the search warrant. So now we're getting

566
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 2>up to days within the attempt, and all the while

567
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 2>he's texting he's still trying to recruit Afghans who are

568
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Speaker 2>living in Iran to go to Ukraine. An interesting thing

569
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 2>about that is that Iran recently deported like one hundred

570
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand Afghans, and also the Iranian government was accusing some

571
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 2>of the Afghans of like working on behalf of Israel,

572
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 2>so that there's just like another little tie there that

573
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Ruth was in touch in touch with some of these

574
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 2>same people. He was also trying to smuggle Afghans across

575
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the southern border. There was a couple families that had

576
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>come to Brazil and now they're going through Mexico and

577
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Ruth texts one of his old contexts. We only

578
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:09.400
<v Speaker 2>know his name as Ramiro outside of Mexico City, and

579
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Ruth is saying, like, how much for you to take

580
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>him across the border? They're haggling about prices. I believe

581
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.480
<v Speaker 2>he knew Ramiro from his days as a roofing contractor,

582
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>because he says, Hey, this is Ryan from United Roofing.

583
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 2>So I'm wondering if Ramiro actually provided him some labor

584
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:33.760
<v Speaker 2>in the early two thousands, but that the human smuggling

585
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.119
<v Speaker 2>was earlier in the year. It was right before his

586
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 2>assassination attempt he text Romiro saying, hey, I'll be visiting

587
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 2>you soon. Pretty much he was trying to set up

588
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 2>an escape plan. I guess his idea was to get

589
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 2>away with the stolen license plate across the border and

590
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>hang out with this Ramiro guy. Obviously that wasn't successful,

591
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>and for some reason, we haven't heard anything more about Ramiro.

592
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>So we're now the night before the assassination attempt. He's

593
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 2>apparently still camping out at that truck stop, and two

594
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:19.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty am he starts camping out right outside of Trump's

595
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>golf course, and we know this because the state search

596
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:26.119
<v Speaker 2>warrant says that's when his phone started pinging the local tower. There.

597
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing about this, and I mentioned this to

598
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 2>you this morning when we talk, is that, according to

599
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>congressional report on the assassination attempts, Trump had not planned

600
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 2>to golf that day. It was like a last minute decision,

601
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:47.039
<v Speaker 2>and the Secret Service weren't informed about Trump's golf plans

602
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 2>until two am that day. So you have the Secret

603
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Service getting notified about Trump's golf plans at two am

604
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 2>and appears at the golf course half an hour later.

605
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 1>An odd snapshot in a Trump's life too, that is,

606
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>at two am he decides to go golfing.

607
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 4>But anyways, yeah, yeah, you know, you hear that guy,

608
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 4>He only like sleeps four hours a day, so apparently, yeah,

609
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't yeah, I don't know what that.

610
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Was about, but that's yeah, that's Trump that's a good point,

611
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 2>that's a good insight into his personality.

612
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was, That's the first thing. I was a

613
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>hard time decide, hey, change my itinerary for tomorrow.

614
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 2>But for all we know, he could have made that

615
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.599
<v Speaker 2>decision at like eleven PM or something. Secret Service just

616
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't really get word until a couple hours later.

617
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess because he was supposed to.

618
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Go with Lindsey Graham too, and I think Steve Witkoff

619
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 2>was there during the attempt. Lindsey Graham canceled odd enough

620
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of people, that sets off there in Tennis,

621
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.440
<v Speaker 2>since Graham is such a big Ukraine support and this

622
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 2>whole thing is such Ukrainian ties. So yeah, now we're

623
00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:00.159
<v Speaker 2>at the assassination attempt. It's you know, one o'clock and

624
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Trump's on the fifth hole. A Secret Service agents his

625
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>name came out in court, was doing advance on the

626
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 2>sixth hole. Sees Ryan Ruth and actually the agent at

627
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.480
<v Speaker 2>first goes, you know, how are you doing, sir, And

628
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.480
<v Speaker 2>he testifies that Ruth just smiled at him, pointed his

629
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.679
<v Speaker 2>rifle kind of you know, it's creepy as Ruth's look

630
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 2>that sounds like, you know, horror seen the Secret Service,

631
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't hesitate open fire five times and missed all five times.

632
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>I believe he might have been in a golf court

633
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 2>cart and he had a forty five pistol, so you know,

634
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 2>he's not a great shot. But also it's not like

635
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 2>he had an ar or something.

636
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>It's not as comical as it sounds.

637
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think, you know, I mentioned this at

638
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the show. Ruth runs off, he gets

639
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>pulled over forty five minutes later, and this is where

640
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 2>the traffic backs up, and you know, there's a car crash,

641
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 2>a little girl it's permanently crippled, and uh yeah, yeah,

642
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll stop there and see if you have

643
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 2>any questions, because that's, you know, the sequence of events

644
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.440
<v Speaker 2>before we get into his family and all that.

645
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, that's actually exactly where I was gonna

646
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 1>go next. We've got the sequence of events. I mean,

647
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 1>I think the next move to I mean, because it's

648
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of still looking back at the past and kind

649
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 1>of a gathering context for who this person is and

650
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.559
<v Speaker 1>where we're going with the story. But I figured family

651
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.199
<v Speaker 1>probably be just the next place to go. Sounds like

652
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 1>you're going there anyways, because I did want to get

653
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 1>a just kind of an idea of what's what the

654
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>hell is going on there? We talked about this morning. Obviously,

655
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Speaker 1>his son's been busted for child porn and he's I mean,

656
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not he Obviously it doesn't necessarily mean he had

657
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>anything to do with it. You, So there's obviously that

658
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>makes you wonder, you know, brings up questions. At the

659
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.719
<v Speaker 1>very least, is he has a troubled son. I mean,

660
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>obviously he has an odd life. So you're like, what

661
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to what degree does this family life plan to? Uh,

662
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean I find this interesting. I mean, also,

663
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.119
<v Speaker 1>these people have to have a mother. I'm assuming too,

664
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.679
<v Speaker 1>so that there's a I know that these are things

665
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:01.519
<v Speaker 1>that can s had light upon the character of a man.

666
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, for sure. And Yeah, before I get

667
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.280
<v Speaker 2>into that, I just found the passage in my book

668
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:10.159
<v Speaker 2>that shows his travels. In twenty twenty four alone, he

669
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 2>took plane trips from Hawaii to San Francisco, Phoenix, Saint Louis, Atlanta,

670
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:21.320
<v Speaker 2>and his hometown of Greensboro. The tickets were purchased by

671
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.559
<v Speaker 2>his fiance, Kathleen Schaeffer, who rode with him on quote

672
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.519
<v Speaker 2>some of the flights. The tickets were about one thousand

673
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 2>dollars apiece.

674
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<v Speaker 1>So by the way, it was Mark. He was sorry,

675
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean to step in, but it was Mark David

676
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Chapman as the one who killed Lennon, and it was

677
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>the name of his wife. Is that it was Gloria

678
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Abbe who's still with him to this day, and she

679
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.239
<v Speaker 1>was the one who was running him. I think kind

680
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 1>of around the world the same similar type thing as that,

681
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 1>So I know, just find that interesting, you know, it's

682
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of history rhymes. But yeah, we had a Mark

683
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.760
<v Speaker 1>David Chapman and his old lady is still with him

684
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.719
<v Speaker 1>to this day. Well, I think, yeah, So.

685
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 2>It is worth mentioning because Schaeffer wasn't called to testified,

686
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.119
<v Speaker 2>she wasn't charged. We haven't heard anything from her. I

687
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know if they're protecting her, but it seems like

688
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>she should either be criminally culpable or she should have

689
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>been a prosecution witness. I don't see how they could

690
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>have just left her alone. Hopefully we'll eventually get interview reports,

691
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe somebody for we need somebody to actually like try

692
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 2>to do this case. But let's get into the family.

693
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>So it was like two days later, his son gives

694
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>an interview to the u K. Daily Mail and says,

695
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 2>my dad is a peaceful man. I don't think he

696
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 2>did this. He's a good guy, and I think the

697
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.199
<v Speaker 2>police were already investigating or in at the time. But

698
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>in any event, he gets raided a couple of days

699
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 2>later and cops and the FBI find a whole bunch

700
00:41:56.840 --> 00:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>of drugs, and when they search as electronic device is,

701
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>they find that he was into CP, and not just

702
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 2>any CP. He was specifically into the world of calm,

703
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:13.079
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of the larger taxonomy within like seven

704
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 2>six four or that seven six four is within. You know,

705
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>you've got true crime stuff where people glorify serial killers

706
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>and mass shooters. You've got the seven six four stuff,

707
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 2>which is like getting little girls to abuse themselves, and

708
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.519
<v Speaker 2>then you have other just CP enthusiasts where you're all

709
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 2>in a chat room sharing your favorite things, and at

710
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 2>one point he's even trying to do it in real life.

711
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 2>This came out in court. I think when he initially

712
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:48.280
<v Speaker 2>got charged, This would be like October of last year,

713
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>so about a year ago. Almost a lot of people

714
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.960
<v Speaker 2>compared him to Steven Paddock's brother because we all know,

715
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Steven Paddock's brother said, oh, my brother wouldn't do this,

716
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:02.159
<v Speaker 2>and he immediately got charged with CP. But this doesn't

717
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.519
<v Speaker 2>appear to be the case here, because it turned out

718
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>that the local sheriffs had already received a tip from

719
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 2>some like a federal nonprofit that works with the FBI

720
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that kind of investigates these cases. They got a tip

721
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.320
<v Speaker 2>from a tech company. They passed it along to the

722
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 2>local sheriff, and in late twenty twenty three, the sheriffs

723
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:31.280
<v Speaker 2>even visit the mother's house and leave their business card

724
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Speaker 2>with her and said, hey, we're looking for Oran. We're

725
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 2>investigating his activities, you know, related to the abuse of children.

726
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.880
<v Speaker 2>And the mother called Orrin and told him this, and

727
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:46.039
<v Speaker 2>he just never responded. You know, he's not going to

728
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.559
<v Speaker 2>like turn himself in, I guess, because he knows he'd

729
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>be in big trouble. But it was after his dad

730
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:58.239
<v Speaker 2>gets you know, nationally famous, that the local law enforcement

731
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.559
<v Speaker 2>and the FBI returned to him. They find all this

732
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 2>nasty material in his devices, they charge him, And it

733
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>was at his sentencing hearing a couple months ago that

734
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I attended where we learned a lot of the family history.

735
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Ryan got divorced with Oran's mother when he was twelve,

736
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 2>which this would have been in the mid two thousands,

737
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:29.760
<v Speaker 2>when he's getting into all his crime and apparently it

738
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>really affected him. But before that he seemed kind of

739
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 2>like a borderline abusive or oppressive father. He would give

740
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.599
<v Speaker 2>him like a whole bunch of books and always be

741
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>quizzing him and pressuring him, and whenever Orran did bad

742
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.639
<v Speaker 2>in school, he would like really rate him, even though

743
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, Ryan himself was kind of a scumbag criminal.

744
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.039
<v Speaker 2>At one point, Oran's living with his mother, but when

745
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 2>he's fifteen, he wanted to go live with Ryan, but

746
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 2>that didn't work out. They got into an argument and

747
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Ryan kicked him down the stairs. Oron eventually gets a

748
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>scholarship to go to state school. So he obviously was

749
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>a bright kid, but he only lasted a semester, kind

750
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:19.679
<v Speaker 2>of like Tyler Robinson.

751
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I was thinking, yeah, and.

752
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Then he gets a job as like a roadie where

753
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 2>he's setting you know, concerts, including like international concerts, which.

754
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's yeah, that's a new one. That's a good

755
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 1>that's a good one. That's a that's a new one.

756
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard that one before. Obviously I'm being a

757
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit cynical here, and I think people know what

758
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm alluding to, and kind of a perfect cutout.

759
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 2>It was the perfect I mean when we're trying to

760
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:55.000
<v Speaker 2>coop Maduro. The first Trump administration in like twenty nineteen,

761
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I remember, like Richard Branson and all these people held

762
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a huge benefit concert I think in Venezuela, and there

763
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>were reports of them like smuggling in actual weapons through

764
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:11.039
<v Speaker 2>these under the auspices of or concert. And so I

765
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's what Or was into, but he

766
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.199
<v Speaker 2>was like also traveling the world.

767
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you could see what where his h

768
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>where he worked at what venues. I don't know, maybe

769
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 1>that'd be too deep and you can't find that stuff.

770
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 1>That'd be interesting to see what ones he worked.

771
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 2>That might be in my notes. So I'll have to

772
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:29.679
<v Speaker 2>go pull that up that I did make a mental

773
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 2>note that I like, I gotta find out more. But

774
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 2>it's just been such a deluge of information. Uh So, yeah,

775
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 2>we got Ryan Ruth Or, sorry, we got Or and

776
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Ruth and that whole saga ended. He was sentenced to

777
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:48.800
<v Speaker 2>seven years in prison, and I guess the next thing

778
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.679
<v Speaker 2>to get into would be Ryan's actual trial and all

779
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:54.239
<v Speaker 2>the proceedings.

780
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 1>There is there any meaning for I know as a daughter.

781
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Do we know anything about her? I know other than

782
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess she did cry at the latest trial with him,

783
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.280
<v Speaker 1>which obviously we'll get into that, and I think she's

784
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.239
<v Speaker 1>done nothing but vouch for him. Is there anything particular?

785
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Is she the same does she share the same mother

786
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 1>as the other son or is it a different mother.

787
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's orange there the daughter, and then

788
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 2>there is Adam Ruth. I don't know anything about Adam.

789
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Sarah is. Yeah, she seems a little bit out there.

790
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>We didn't learn anything her until like the last week

791
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 2>was the first time she ever spoke publicly. So yeah,

792
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll get to that, but I guess let's start at

793
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of Ryan's criminal defense, which he originally originally

794
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:45.360
<v Speaker 2>had lawyers who seemed to be doing the best they

795
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 2>could fighting an uphill battle. They filed several interesting motions

796
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:56.079
<v Speaker 2>in early twenty twenty five, pretty much claiming that the

797
00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:00.519
<v Speaker 2>FBI tainted evidence, which it pretty much did. One of

798
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the motions was to prohibit the Justice Department from introducing

799
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 2>Ryan's rifle as evidence, and the reason they did that

800
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.320
<v Speaker 2>is because the FBI apparently collected the rifle from the

801
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 2>scene and then they took it to Quantico and they

802
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.400
<v Speaker 2>claimed to test fire it, and then they just took

803
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.320
<v Speaker 2>it apart and put it in a drawer. And the

804
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:27.440
<v Speaker 2>defense goes like, hey, wait a minute, we don't know

805
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>if this rifle was functional, Like we don't know anything

806
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.199
<v Speaker 2>about it, and now it's tainted forever. We can never

807
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:39.039
<v Speaker 2>discover that. So there was a long legal fight. Eventually

808
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>the defense was allowed to test fire it. It shot

809
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the first time, but then the second time it jammed,

810
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, it really didn't help Ryan too

811
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.079
<v Speaker 2>much because one shot is all you need, uh, But

812
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.800
<v Speaker 2>it just goes to show you that, you know, the

813
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.960
<v Speaker 2>most prestigious law enforcement agency and the country. You know,

814
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.039
<v Speaker 2>they almost bungled it, Like if it would have jammed

815
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.599
<v Speaker 2>on the first shot, that would have been a real problem.

816
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:12.320
<v Speaker 2>And the FBI later claimed in court that the rifle

817
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:16.519
<v Speaker 2>was perfectly operational when they tested it, and their excuse

818
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:20.440
<v Speaker 2>was that they used some kind of like corrosive acid

819
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 2>to uncover the serial number that Ruth kind of buffed out.

820
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>But they have some kind of special acid where you

821
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:31.280
<v Speaker 2>could like still see the engravings, So that was their

822
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 2>excuse for why it probably misfired. I see your face.

823
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.480
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't sound I don't like doing that on the

824
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.159
<v Speaker 2>outside of the stock with fire.

825
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know the exact gun or anything,

826
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm no gun expert, but that just doesn't make

827
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.039
<v Speaker 1>sense to me that how some sort of oil or

828
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:49.960
<v Speaker 1>something from the stock. It's like, No, it sounds like

829
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 1>you let it sit into probably a dusty area and accumulate.

830
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean I just probably maybe even

831
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:57.800
<v Speaker 1>threw it in its place, banged up. Probably just yeah,

832
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>probably just jammed after one shot for those reasons. But

833
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm talking to my butt, but yeah,

834
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 1>probably just sitting around in a shitty spot. They don't

835
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 1>have a good uh, they don't have a good track

836
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 1>record of keeping keeping track of evidence or or taking

837
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>care of evidence at all. I mean, there's a there's

838
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.800
<v Speaker 1>a whole saga of that local in the city bombing stuff,

839
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and you know their lab coming into questions.

840
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.840
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's an entire book called tainting Evidence, like

841
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Ruby Ridge, Waco, even the O. J. Simpson case. I

842
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:28.480
<v Speaker 2>haven't read that book yet, but I did read the

843
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay section. Uh, so they not. Another thing to add

844
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>about the rifle is this just shows you, like what

845
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.760
<v Speaker 2>a crazy clown Ryan was, is that the scope was

846
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 2>like taped on and like glued on, so like the

847
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:49.480
<v Speaker 2>scope wouldn't have worked. Yeah, so again, like if he

848
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>had lawyers, they might have been able to inject some

849
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of reasonable doubt as to like the seriousness of

850
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 2>his assassination attempt.

851
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I gotta ask you, do you think fed's just like

852
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:03.559
<v Speaker 1>like if you do get to like top level glowy

853
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 1>weird ops, like are they like just all turbolibs, because

854
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 1>it's always seems to be or maybe they're just it's

855
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 1>almost like are they giving us winks? I mean, obviously

856
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying you'd assert one thing another, but like say,

857
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.840
<v Speaker 1>for JFK the magic bullet theory, we're getting a magic

858
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.519
<v Speaker 1>bullet theory. Again, it always seems to be these silly

859
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.880
<v Speaker 1>little things only like a turbolib wouldn't really like if

860
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.039
<v Speaker 1>I was doing a cover up for the the FBI,

861
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.880
<v Speaker 1>like I wouldn't be like, yeah, well, say it was

862
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.760
<v Speaker 1>a thirty hot six, they'll buy it, like just stuff

863
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.719
<v Speaker 1>not saying obviously that's fake, but you just usually as

864
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.519
<v Speaker 1>an example, since it's timely, it just always seems I

865
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.079
<v Speaker 1>don't know, just it's like just just stuff like taping

866
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:43.199
<v Speaker 1>on a scope, like I mean, come on, like, I

867
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it just seems obviously maybe it's just a side. Mean,

868
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 1>it's just a stupid aside for me there. I don't

869
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:49.159
<v Speaker 1>know if you have anything to add to that, but

870
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.000
<v Speaker 1>it is always that always seems to be the the

871
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Achilles Heels, some dumb turmo turbolib nonsense where you're like,

872
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 1>how did you not know this? How do you not know? This?

873
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Made no sense? Well, I forget to.

874
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Get into it, like total speculation on my part is

875
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:06.639
<v Speaker 2>that I think, Again, I don't know, but I think

876
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:10.079
<v Speaker 2>that might be the case where July thirteenth was like

877
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.280
<v Speaker 2>a serious attempt where Trump was supposed to die and

878
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.159
<v Speaker 2>that crook said like a very nice AR fifteen with

879
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:22.679
<v Speaker 2>a red dot site. So but I think maybe the

880
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:26.199
<v Speaker 2>follow up attempt was not supposed to succeed, but maybe

881
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:30.119
<v Speaker 2>they just ran ruthed Trump to muddy the waters because

882
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:33.840
<v Speaker 2>up until that point, when Congress was laser focused on Butler,

883
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>but now you have two cases, it's going to confuse

884
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 2>the public. It's going to distract people. I think it

885
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.559
<v Speaker 2>might have just muddy at the waters. It wasn't actually

886
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.679
<v Speaker 2>designed to be a serious attempt. And I do think,

887
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, this was all just Ryan being an idiot

888
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 2>because he bought it from that Ronnie guy, because he

889
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.280
<v Speaker 2>tried to get a fifty caliber but he only had

890
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.800
<v Speaker 2>this crappy sas Chinese model.

891
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, To be clear, I wasn't trying to get

892
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:04.559
<v Speaker 1>you assert he was a glory. I just think it's

893
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:06.960
<v Speaker 1>just funny that it's always seems to be with these

894
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.400
<v Speaker 1>deep events, there always seems to be these flaws that

895
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.719
<v Speaker 1>like if you're just like a normal red blooded American,

896
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you go, huh. But like it's like, but then there's

897
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 1>like a if we are to assume there's puppets at

898
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.280
<v Speaker 1>play or puppeteers at play, You're like, do you just

899
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.320
<v Speaker 1>guys just not have you never shot a gun? Have

900
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 1>you like just little things like that, You're just like,

901
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:27.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, I guess I guess that's

902
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.119
<v Speaker 1>more just kind of getting at, like to the character

903
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:31.960
<v Speaker 1>of the people that would do these sort of things,

904
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.519
<v Speaker 1>so they just that out of touch. I don't know,

905
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:36.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe I know, maybe I'm just talking to myself here.

906
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.280
<v Speaker 1>It just seems to be I'm noticing a pattern here,

907
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:39.039
<v Speaker 1>and it's funny to me.

908
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but so yeah, that's the that's the rifle. Everything

909
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.960
<v Speaker 2>that Ruth did was half baked. But we're on the

910
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.559
<v Speaker 2>subject of FBI tsing evidence. So another interesting motion that

911
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:59.039
<v Speaker 2>the defense filed was to prohibit uh, the witness who

912
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:02.760
<v Speaker 2>saw Ruth running away from the golf course from testified.

913
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:07.079
<v Speaker 2>And this one actually was far more intriguing and I

914
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>think had more legal substance than the rifle because the

915
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:18.199
<v Speaker 2>witness actually initially told the cops that he saw about

916
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:21.400
<v Speaker 2>six foot two blonde guy, which matches Ruth, but the

917
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:25.639
<v Speaker 2>witness described him as somebody in his twenties, which fine,

918
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. Somebody with like a full head of hair,

919
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.760
<v Speaker 2>blond from thirty yards away or so lean guy.

920
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in a distance I could see. Maybe you think

921
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:35.840
<v Speaker 1>he was young, I don't know.

922
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I agree. And the witness also said that

923
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:44.119
<v Speaker 2>he saw that Ruth threw something through the sun roof

924
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.639
<v Speaker 2>of the Exterra when the Exterra didn't have a sunroof,

925
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:52.199
<v Speaker 2>and they also found a footprint right next to the

926
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Exterra that didn't match Ruth. So there were a couple

927
00:54:56.719 --> 00:55:02.719
<v Speaker 2>interesting things that could inject out there. After the witness

928
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:05.480
<v Speaker 2>talks to the local cops, they fly him in a

929
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.280
<v Speaker 2>helicopter to where Ruth was pulled over on the I

930
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:12.480
<v Speaker 2>ninety five, and the local cops did everything by the books.

931
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>They're like, hey, we don't want to pressure you. You

932
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 2>look at Ruth, you know, is this the guy? And

933
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:22.719
<v Speaker 2>the witness says, yeah, I'm ninety nine percent sure. And

934
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>after that, though, is where more tainting comes into play,

935
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 2>where he goes to the FBI office and then the

936
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:35.440
<v Speaker 2>agents show them a photo of Ruth, you know, getting

937
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 2>like a purp shot, and they're like, oh, this is

938
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.079
<v Speaker 2>the guy, right for sure? This is the guy, And

939
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.199
<v Speaker 2>the witness is like, oh, yeah, okay, I guess. And

940
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.679
<v Speaker 2>so the defense filed the motion saying the FBI tan

941
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.199
<v Speaker 2>and the witness this was highly leading. You didn't show

942
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:53.639
<v Speaker 2>him a criminal lineup with five different suspects. You just

943
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:56.440
<v Speaker 2>showed him a picture of Ruth. And so they tried

944
00:55:56.480 --> 00:56:01.519
<v Speaker 2>to prohibit the witness from testifying too, but Judge Cannon

945
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 2>overruled that. But I think you know, they still were

946
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.320
<v Speaker 2>to cross examined the witness, and they could have brought

947
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 2>all this up. But after the two motions failed and

948
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 2>there was another motion to disqualify the gun charges on

949
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Second Amendment grounds, which is kind of like a legally

950
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 2>interesting case, but we don't have to get into that

951
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 2>because it's not really a fact based thing. But I

952
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 2>think Ruth got kind of dismayed or frustrated at his lawyers,

953
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.639
<v Speaker 2>and this is around July or August. He fires them

954
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:41.599
<v Speaker 2>and says, I'm gonna represent myself, and that's it was

955
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:45.079
<v Speaker 2>just a total shit show. After that, his opening statement,

956
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.960
<v Speaker 2>he was given forty five minutes, and first of all,

957
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 2>he apologizes to the jurors, like, oh, I'm sorry to

958
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.760
<v Speaker 2>take you away from your life to be here. He

959
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 2>starts talking, and like within five minutes, he goes into

960
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:03.159
<v Speaker 2>a rant about like Hitler and Gaza, and Judge Cannon

961
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 2>interrupts him. She tells the jury to leave. She scolds him.

962
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:09.840
<v Speaker 2>She's like, hey, you got to stick to the case.

963
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.519
<v Speaker 2>You can't just, you know, go into your theory about

964
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 2>world affairs. Brings the jury back in, and Ryan immediately

965
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:24.039
<v Speaker 2>starts talking about like Hitler again, and that's when Judge

966
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Cannon just totally shuts him down and says, okay, you

967
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:29.840
<v Speaker 2>don't get an opening statement because you can't follow the

968
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:34.599
<v Speaker 2>course rules. So it didn't get much better than there.

969
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:39.440
<v Speaker 2>From there, the DJ speeds through its evidence that the

970
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:43.000
<v Speaker 2>trial was initially supposed to last until mid October, but

971
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:47.599
<v Speaker 2>it wrapped up this week because Ruth's cross examination was

972
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:52.719
<v Speaker 2>either totally pointless Judge Cannon would shut him down. At

973
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:59.400
<v Speaker 2>one point, he asked a witness like, would you go

974
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:03.280
<v Speaker 2>to Taiwan on plan a concert with me? And Judge

975
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:05.920
<v Speaker 2>kind It's like just like, what the hell are you doing?

976
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Like you're done. The FBI called a Secret Service agent

977
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:15.679
<v Speaker 2>that spotted him to testify, and Russell Lee cross examination

978
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 2>was well, I didn't actually shoot you, and the agent goes, well, yeah,

979
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 2>but you did point a rifle at me, and you

980
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.840
<v Speaker 2>know that is a little bit traumatizing. Interesting about the

981
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Secret Services evidence is that they actually have recorded radio

982
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.320
<v Speaker 2>transmissions of saying, hey, we spotted somebody in the bush.

983
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Bush's shots fired, shots fired. And they didn't record the

984
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Butler event though, and what they like, oh, well after

985
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Butler they started recording, But that's not the case. There's

986
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.519
<v Speaker 2>a recent GAO report that said that they still don't

987
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.440
<v Speaker 2>record for all their events, so it just so happened

988
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.599
<v Speaker 2>that they were recording while Trump was golfing. Well they

989
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:03.639
<v Speaker 2>didn't court for an official event, but I find that

990
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to be highly suspicious.

991
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:06.559
<v Speaker 1>That is weird. That is weird.

992
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so yeah, Ruth called three defense witnesses, including Artie,

993
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.320
<v Speaker 2>who was one of the crackheads who was involved in

994
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:23.599
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten schemes. Another one was one of Orn's childhood friends,

995
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:27.559
<v Speaker 2>and they both said, well, yeah, Ryan Rue's a good guy,

996
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.079
<v Speaker 2>but we haven't seen him since twenty nineteen when he

997
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:33.760
<v Speaker 2>moved to Hawaii, So you know, that didn't help him

998
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 2>at all. And even if they saw him up until

999
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.960
<v Speaker 2>September tenth, you know, it wouldn't have helped him. Like

1000
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 2>testifying that he's a nice guy, that's not evidence. His

1001
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:48.559
<v Speaker 2>one expert witness was Michael McLay, who was a former

1002
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Marine sniper instructor who now works for American Airlines. But

1003
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.480
<v Speaker 2>he's the guy that tests fired as skas and it

1004
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.719
<v Speaker 2>jammed on the second round. But McLay didn't help him

1005
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 2>either because McClay said, well, the place where he was

1006
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.840
<v Speaker 2>perched was actually would have had a view of Trump

1007
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:10.199
<v Speaker 2>on the sixth hole, and so like that kind of backfired.

1008
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 1>On Ruth and McLay was the guy that he called

1009
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.280
<v Speaker 1>to the stand that was his his selected witness submarine sniper. Yeah,

1010
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:19.519
<v Speaker 1>but it didn't do anything for him? Was it damning?

1011
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Team though? Like like or because you can try to

1012
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:25.159
<v Speaker 1>we talked this morning a little bit method to the madness.

1013
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of prying at that a little bit, kind

1014
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.480
<v Speaker 1>of like kind of like what what what actually ended

1015
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:30.800
<v Speaker 1>up being the case here?

1016
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, anyways, go on, I would says it was

1017
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:39.199
<v Speaker 2>damning because part of the d OJ's case was that

1018
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:42.599
<v Speaker 2>this was like a sniper perch at the golf course

1019
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.760
<v Speaker 2>where he was. And yeah, I guess that that reminds

1020
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.400
<v Speaker 2>me this is like the safe place where paparazzi would

1021
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:54.079
<v Speaker 2>hang out with their cameras and try to photograph Trump

1022
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.519
<v Speaker 2>as he golfed, So like it was kind of a

1023
01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:00.440
<v Speaker 2>known spot. But I don't know how Ryan knew that

1024
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.480
<v Speaker 2>was like a perfect spot. Again, I got, I got,

1025
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.480
<v Speaker 2>that's not something you could google. He either had to

1026
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:12.199
<v Speaker 2>do intense surveillance and planning or somebody just told him like,

1027
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.199
<v Speaker 2>oh that's a perfect spot, like that's where the photographers

1028
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:16.440
<v Speaker 2>hang out. You could get him there.

1029
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:19.920
<v Speaker 1>What were the credentials in that sniper again, there's something

1030
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.159
<v Speaker 1>you said there that I thought it was interesting if

1031
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 1>you could jog my memory. What was his credentials?

1032
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:28.000
<v Speaker 2>He was a marine and he was a sniper instructor.

1033
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.039
<v Speaker 2>But now he's an American Airlines pilot.

1034
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:33.840
<v Speaker 1>That's what That's what caught my eye. American Airlines like

1035
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a pilot like me. But go on, yeah, like Barry

1036
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Seal or something. Just American Airlines isn't isn't American Airlines

1037
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:42.360
<v Speaker 1>that uses a cutout? Right? This is one of the

1038
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.719
<v Speaker 1>cutouts or I mix it up like one of the

1039
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm retarded. I'm mixing that up with they all

1040
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:50.079
<v Speaker 1>sound as Air America. There you go. I'm just an idiot.

1041
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what, No, okay, all right, there you go.

1042
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Never mind.

1043
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:59.119
<v Speaker 2>All those guys work, old buddy.

1044
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, just want to clear that up, all right, cool?

1045
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I was just mixing the two up, got it.

1046
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, It's the only reason I mentioned that is

1047
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:10.119
<v Speaker 2>because the DOJ initially tried to say mcclay's not an

1048
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:12.679
<v Speaker 2>expert because he's just a pilot. But he does have

1049
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:16.079
<v Speaker 2>a legitimate resume as you know, a military with you know,

1050
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:21.199
<v Speaker 2>sniper expertise and so ruth. You know, he calls these

1051
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:26.519
<v Speaker 2>three witnesses. He initially wanted to have like twenty witnesses,

1052
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:30.079
<v Speaker 2>including some like professors from NYU that he didn't even know,

1053
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 2>but he wanted to have them come down and testify

1054
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 2>about like the importance of democracy and why Trump's a

1055
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:41.119
<v Speaker 2>demagogue and stuff like that. This total just total nonsense.

1056
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess. One of the most humorous witnesses he wanted

1057
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to testify was a former lover who wanted him to

1058
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:52.760
<v Speaker 2>spank her in bed, and he said no. And that

1059
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:57.960
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to demonstrate that he's peaceful. So Judge Cannon

1060
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.760
<v Speaker 2>called that like a farce. You're not going to make

1061
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:06.039
<v Speaker 2>a farce out of my court proceeding. So yeah, all

1062
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:11.599
<v Speaker 2>that failed. He declines to testify, but he is allowed

1063
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to give closing arguments, and basically his whole argument was, well,

1064
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I never pulled the trigger. But you know that's that's

1065
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:26.719
<v Speaker 2>pretty dubious. So the jury went to lunch, say this

1066
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:30.000
<v Speaker 2>is yesterday. It's been a long day. Yeah, it's just yesterday,

1067
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And then it didn't even take two hours for them

1068
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to return a verdict. And that's when he initially or

1069
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:41.559
<v Speaker 2>that's when he had to stab himself in the neck

1070
01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:45.119
<v Speaker 2>with a pen. Couldn't even do that properly. He did

1071
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.960
<v Speaker 2>a check the old brought back into court. His daughter

1072
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Sarah starts screaming, you out, don't do anything to yourself.

1073
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:56.639
<v Speaker 2>She storms out of the room the courtroom. She's filmed

1074
01:03:56.679 --> 01:04:01.079
<v Speaker 2>walking briskly in her white dress. And yeah, that's that.

1075
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:05.199
<v Speaker 2>He hasn't been sentenced yet. I expect him to be

1076
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:07.880
<v Speaker 2>sent to some sort of communications management.

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01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Unit or super That was my next question.

1078
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Is the one guy where I don't feel bad at

1079
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:17.719
<v Speaker 2>all because just the more I study Thomas Crooks, I

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01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:20.000
<v Speaker 2>think he was like kind of a good kid who

1081
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.639
<v Speaker 2>somehow was radicalized. The more I study Ryan Ruth, I

1082
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:27.000
<v Speaker 2>think he is just a narcissistic asshole who wanted to

1083
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.039
<v Speaker 2>make history because he's got reflated.

1084
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, I definitely don't feel bad for the guy, but

1085
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I actually would definitely prefer he doesn't go to one

1086
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:38.280
<v Speaker 1>of those MAX things, just so we're able to talk

1087
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:42.320
<v Speaker 1>to him so much much like I'm much like. For example,

1088
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.280
<v Speaker 1>if we do find out this Tyler guy is actually

1089
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:45.800
<v Speaker 1>the guy that did you know was the one who

1090
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.039
<v Speaker 1>pulled the trigger or was involved, I still wouldn't be

1091
01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:50.679
<v Speaker 1>calling for the death penalty because we don't know exactly

1092
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:52.320
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen, and we need to you know,

1093
01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:55.679
<v Speaker 1>these are the best witnesses we have, so we want

1094
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:57.559
<v Speaker 1>to be able to have access to these people, whether

1095
01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that means being living or being able to not be

1096
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:03.480
<v Speaker 1>completely shut off from the outside world entirely. Yeah, we

1097
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:05.480
<v Speaker 1>want access to these people. So I guess, yeah, that

1098
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:08.920
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like my next question was that if

1099
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:10.960
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be able, but yeah, that is probably I

1100
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:12.760
<v Speaker 1>would assume he's probably gonna have some sort of a

1101
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:16.880
<v Speaker 1>communication severely limited, some sort of super Max of some sort.

1102
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess then the question would be, we talked about

1103
01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:22.400
<v Speaker 1>this morning, but you know, I guess I feel like

1104
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:24.159
<v Speaker 1>I kind of have to ask this question again just

1105
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.360
<v Speaker 1>for the purpose of this, you know, the manner of

1106
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.519
<v Speaker 1>this episode just kind of the idea of the method

1107
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:30.880
<v Speaker 1>behind the madness. But I guess I'll kind of reframed

1108
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:32.519
<v Speaker 1>this question in such a way as so, like, what

1109
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 1>do you think was the effect of all the shenanigans

1110
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:39.079
<v Speaker 1>at court? Because it sounds like to me, like, I know,

1111
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.159
<v Speaker 1>if we're trying to read into like, oh he's crazy,

1112
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:43.000
<v Speaker 1>this that well, you probably want to see like what

1113
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:47.039
<v Speaker 1>ended up happening and then maybe try to decipher things

1114
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:49.639
<v Speaker 1>from there. Do you think that it sounds to me

1115
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:54.039
<v Speaker 1>like this basically spiked the case and also kind of

1116
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.559
<v Speaker 1>left this as we said, he's probably getting ready to

1117
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.760
<v Speaker 1>go off to Supermax and now we have this impression

1118
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:03.000
<v Speaker 1>to the outside world that he's fucking alone. Uh, and

1119
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:05.239
<v Speaker 1>now he's going off to probably some sort of SuperMac.

1120
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:09.679
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, just kind of is my right in this

1121
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.239
<v Speaker 1>assumption this is like a spiking of the case. Is

1122
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:15.239
<v Speaker 1>this a I just I don't know, just kind of

1123
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:17.320
<v Speaker 1>that question again too. Also just kind of have did you?

1124
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it sounds like some Oswald type shit, but

1125
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I will be honest, every time I've dug

1126
01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:24.280
<v Speaker 1>into it, it seemed he was pretty committed to the bit.

1127
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 1>He seemed like a pretty pretty he was turbolibed to

1128
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the max. So just I don't, I don't know, just

1129
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.400
<v Speaker 1>thoughts I guess, because I mean the end of the day,

1130
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:34.960
<v Speaker 1>like if this was a glowy up like and they

1131
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.199
<v Speaker 1>wanted to shuttle this guy off to not be seen

1132
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:39.559
<v Speaker 1>and uh and kind of make him look like a

1133
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 1>crazy person, well you know, mission accomplished. But also he

1134
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 1>sold the he sold the He sold it pretty well

1135
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 1>if that was what he was doing. So I don't know.

1136
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he certainly wasn't a witting operative, but I do

1137
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:55.599
<v Speaker 2>think he was very easily manipulated. And I do think, yeah,

1138
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:58.440
<v Speaker 2>the trial was a total farce. I think Judge Cannon

1139
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:03.679
<v Speaker 2>participated in the cover up. But yeah, we talked about

1140
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:06.880
<v Speaker 2>this this morning. But there was an untold amount of

1141
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:09.880
<v Speaker 2>classified information in this case, which I believe had to

1142
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:13.800
<v Speaker 2>do with his travels in Ukraine other such things. And

1143
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Judge Cannon sign an order in August saying that the

1144
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:22.280
<v Speaker 2>DOJ is allowed to keep this hidden because it could

1145
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:26.760
<v Speaker 2>quote jeopardize national security, which is just a very odd thing.

1146
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.639
<v Speaker 2>If he is just a run of the mill looney

1147
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:34.599
<v Speaker 2>tune who just hidden the bushes and tried to kill Trump,

1148
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:39.840
<v Speaker 2>then why is there classified information that could jeopardize national security?

1149
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely no sense. And yeah, letting him represent himself was

1150
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:52.480
<v Speaker 2>obviously a huge heir too, not only for Ruth's rights,

1151
01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:54.880
<v Speaker 2>but I think the defense might have been able to

1152
01:07:54.920 --> 01:08:01.480
<v Speaker 2>tease more information from the government. Yeah, and I guess yeah.

1153
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned before we jump off that after this there

1154
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:09.559
<v Speaker 2>is an aftermath that after Ruth's attempts. All of a sudden,

1155
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:14.239
<v Speaker 2>we get a lot more rumors about an Iranian assassination plot.

1156
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.840
<v Speaker 2>And this came out earlier this year where Trump started

1157
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:23.000
<v Speaker 2>using a plane that was owned by Steve Whitcough because

1158
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:28.800
<v Speaker 2>the government was telling him that people have shipped or

1159
01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:33.000
<v Speaker 2>smuggled Iranian missiles into the countries and there's hit squads

1160
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.720
<v Speaker 2>out to get you. They want to blow up your plane,

1161
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and so his cruise is like campaign staff still use

1162
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Trump Force one, but he used this decoy plane with

1163
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Witcoff for the last couple of months of campaign. And

1164
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a book called twenty twenty four which is written

1165
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:53.760
<v Speaker 2>by a Washington Post reporter that details some of the

1166
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:57.800
<v Speaker 2>bizarre things that the Secret Service was telling him. Against

1167
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:01.159
<v Speaker 2>one point, his staff is going going to Trump Force one,

1168
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:03.319
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, the Secret for Service is

1169
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:06.439
<v Speaker 2>like keep down and run, run, run, get on the plane.

1170
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Like it really seems like a total syop they did

1171
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:13.920
<v Speaker 2>on Trump to make it seem like Iran was out

1172
01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to get him. And I Sean this was on Sean

1173
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Ryan's show too. He's talking about like Iranian missiles invisible bombs,

1174
01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and I believe that they spun evidence from Ruth's case

1175
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:34.039
<v Speaker 2>to present this intelligence, like Ruth's texting about getting a rocket. Luner.

1176
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:38.439
<v Speaker 2>He had also been in touch with Afghans and he

1177
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:42.039
<v Speaker 2>had been building drones with these Iranians in Ukraine. So

1178
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.039
<v Speaker 2>like at least they had like something very tenuous to

1179
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.239
<v Speaker 2>spin and tell Trump, like, Hey, Iran's behind you.

1180
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.439
<v Speaker 1>And if you look at it from that perspective of

1181
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:53.439
<v Speaker 1>like you're trying to tell a boomer that he's going

1182
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:56.800
<v Speaker 1>to be killed by Iran by some turbolib and you're

1183
01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.119
<v Speaker 1>dropping this intel to him. Yeah, I guess it is

1184
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:01.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of almost kind of hilarious and almost perfect that

1185
01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:04.680
<v Speaker 1>this would be exactly probably what he had imagined is

1186
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:07.279
<v Speaker 1>out there trying to kill him, this guy right here,

1187
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the Ryan Rals of the world, see. I guess there's

1188
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:15.399
<v Speaker 1>something comical to be said about that, man. I guess

1189
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:18.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of any any final or something I wanted probably

1190
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:20.640
<v Speaker 1>out there but I forgot. But was there any final

1191
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:23.159
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on the Ryan rail stuff that you feel like

1192
01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:25.399
<v Speaker 1>we should cover? I mean, I guess just kind of

1193
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:27.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe one less I just kind of what do you

1194
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.239
<v Speaker 1>think of the hopes of getting anywhere with this? I mean,

1195
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.720
<v Speaker 1>you said mention we needed Jesse trying to do. Seems

1196
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:34.960
<v Speaker 1>like they kind of, you know, got their bases pretty

1197
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:38.439
<v Speaker 1>well covered here. I don't know to what degree anything

1198
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:41.920
<v Speaker 1>will go anywhere. I mean, they got them seems like

1199
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:44.039
<v Speaker 1>they're about to have him mestled up tight, probably in

1200
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:47.359
<v Speaker 1>some sort of communicated you know, lack of communication. They

1201
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:50.960
<v Speaker 1>also got a son that I don't know what degree

1202
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:54.000
<v Speaker 1>if this is, you know, intentional or not. But you know,

1203
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:57.039
<v Speaker 1>a kid with some charges, some pretty hardcore charges is

1204
01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:59.479
<v Speaker 1>a leverage point. I don't know what. Didn't you said

1205
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:01.560
<v Speaker 1>he got charged though, right, so you would assume that's

1206
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:03.439
<v Speaker 1>not something that could be used as leverage in any

1207
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.199
<v Speaker 1>way at this point. So you right, you think it's

1208
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.359
<v Speaker 1>seven years You said, oh yeah, yeah, So okay, because

1209
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll guess that too. So I don't know, maybe at

1210
01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:13.880
<v Speaker 1>least that's off off the table. So I assume that

1211
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:16.279
<v Speaker 1>it's just the prison thing. I mean, I guess, thoughts,

1212
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:17.800
<v Speaker 1>do you think we're gonna have a really gonna find

1213
01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:19.439
<v Speaker 1>out a damn thing about this or not? Really?

1214
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:24.479
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, No, the biggest thing would be Trump ordering the

1215
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:28.439
<v Speaker 2>evidence to be declassified. That would be you know, the

1216
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:31.279
<v Speaker 2>lowest hanging fruit that he could do tomorrow if he wanted,

1217
01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:34.800
<v Speaker 2>but I don't he either isn't aware or maybe there

1218
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:39.039
<v Speaker 2>really is is really tie either you know, blackmail from

1219
01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:43.159
<v Speaker 2>doing it or something like that. Yeah, I would say

1220
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:45.359
<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing we need is like people should be

1221
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:48.560
<v Speaker 2>asking questions like who was this a rate or Israeli partner,

1222
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:52.319
<v Speaker 2>things like that. It just seems really bizarre to me

1223
01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:56.520
<v Speaker 2>that nobody's asking these questions. Instead they're just totally speculating

1224
01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:01.520
<v Speaker 2>about the Kirk case. But but yeah, Trump ordered it

1225
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.159
<v Speaker 2>to be declassified and meanwhile will try to foid the

1226
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:08.479
<v Speaker 2>availabilation that isn't classified. But I gotta imagine that this

1227
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:11.760
<v Speaker 2>is just gonna be enough cases that never really gets solved.

1228
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:14.079
<v Speaker 1>I know what I wanted to say a minute ago,

1229
01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that he's kind of the idea of how

1230
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:18.600
<v Speaker 1>this could almost be a syop on the president of sorts,

1231
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 1>which kind of totally makes sense. But you know, on

1232
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:24.239
<v Speaker 1>that note, I've heard people theorize. I think it's a

1233
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:27.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting theory, especially as of late, and if you

1234
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:31.960
<v Speaker 1>understand to what degree he is committed to this terrorist state.

1235
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Some of the recent claims, you know, especially Trump's lately

1236
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:39.000
<v Speaker 1>for his defense of October or not of October seventh,

1237
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:41.239
<v Speaker 1>but of the Gaza stuff has been pointed to, like

1238
01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:44.800
<v Speaker 1>chopped a baby's heads, chopped off, all the crazy atrocity

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that I would say, for the most part, most

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<v Speaker 1>people have kind of you know, it was bad obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously I don't know your opinion. My point being

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<v Speaker 1>is it seems like I wouldn't be surprised if world

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<v Speaker 1>leaders were receiving some sort of pyops there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how we had on the ground level, just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, us people we saw when that stuff was happening,

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<v Speaker 1>like AI that was you know, being seeded out and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can only imagine what world leaders behind closed

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<v Speaker 1>doors and skiffs are being shown that are being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>passed off as authentic intelligence. So, I mean, you can

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<v Speaker 1>only imagine if you think about the games that are

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<v Speaker 1>played on us, you can only imagine the games that

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<v Speaker 1>are played on them. So and then they're playing those

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<v Speaker 1>games on you. So it's just a big vicious sy

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<v Speaker 1>op circle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Ellsberg wrote about that in his Memoirs where he's like, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>people with access to the most top secret information are

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<v Speaker 2>not really any better informed than just you know, reading

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<v Speaker 2>anti war dot com every day. That's just as good

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of the most top secret information is

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<v Speaker 2>just total bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Well, Ken, it's a pleasure having you on. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure we'll have you on again sometime soon. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to let people know where they can find you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Headline USA dot com on Twitter at jd

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<v Speaker 2>Underscore Cash and the book that should be out by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the year is the Trump Assassination attempts

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<v Speaker 2>what the investigations missed and why.

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<v Speaker 1>It matters awesome. Well, for those want to support what

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