Speaker 1: Well, they get back in the win column. No one
Speaker 1: is really super excited about it, especially whenever there's college
Speaker 1: football playoff games that landon. Uh So, on the last show,
Speaker 1: Cam had to watch the Detroit Lions win the NFC
Speaker 1: North whenever he was on a live show. And now
Speaker 1: you a I don't want to say closeted, but closeted
Speaker 1: to a lot of people on the show. You're a
Speaker 1: Notre Dame football fan. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a I'm a low key Notre Dame fan.
Speaker 2: I'm not like pounding the twenty four to seven recruiting
Speaker 2: rankings for the Irish or anything, but I like, I
Speaker 2: enjoy Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they are playing in the college football playoff game.
Speaker 1: We pushed the start button on the record about a
Speaker 1: minute after they did you see the pass interference?
Speaker 2: Oh? I did give it? Okay, last thing that I
Speaker 2: saw before.
Speaker 1: You saw that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's because anytime that the that a team that
Speaker 1: you root for and a pivotal college football matchup is
Speaker 1: going on, Obviously, the right thing to spend your evening,
Speaker 1: the right the right thing to spend your evening talking
Speaker 1: about is Kansas and Arizona State on a Wednesday night
Speaker 1: at the fog in early January.
Speaker 2: Am I right, Hey, it'll hurt a lot less to
Speaker 2: watch Notre Dame lose on a scoreboard on another tab
Speaker 2: of my computer than on live. That's okay, you're saving
Speaker 2: me some pain.
Speaker 1: As long as it does not end with uh with
Speaker 1: the on a two point play of the hot dog
Speaker 1: cart being hit by adjacent bean pass like that.
Speaker 2: Never happened, Ryan, That's such a weird example for you
Speaker 2: to give. I've never seen that. But what just.
Speaker 1: Happened in the football game, You're going to be quite
Speaker 1: happy with as it is. It is. It is something
Speaker 1: good happens. That's amazing that you don't have a TV screen.
Speaker 1: I I think that you have to figure out the
Speaker 1: log in like that. Yeah, you need. You need to
Speaker 1: have your ESPN log in on the computer. How do
Speaker 1: you not have this going? Uh?
Speaker 2: You know? I I tried, but I have to use
Speaker 2: my parents cable because I don't pay for cable right
Speaker 2: as do I log in? And it was giving me
Speaker 2: a lot of trouble, So I said, whatever, Ryan, Ryan
Speaker 2: is waiting to do this of utmost important podcast to
Speaker 2: talk about all of Arizona State's thirteen second half points.
Speaker 1: So after all, yeah, no Cam. Today, Cam is in
Speaker 1: public hiding after picking Kansas State to win two straight
Speaker 1: road games and getting both of them very incorrect.
Speaker 2: And he didn't even like witness protection came to him
Speaker 2: for that. That was, he didn't like seat that out.
Speaker 2: They were just like, no, that this guy needs needs help.
Speaker 1: He needs especially especially after both of us, like we
Speaker 1: have given him now multiple chances the last two shows.
Speaker 1: We have given him an opportunity to would to retract
Speaker 1: his prediction after telling him how stupid it was to
Speaker 1: pick that team on the road, and he denied that opportunity.
Speaker 1: And while he's got two l's and pick them, And
Speaker 1: suddenly that has breathed a slight, slight glimmer of hope
Speaker 1: and do your chances of not finishing last and pick them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a window, folks, there's a window. It's it's crack,
Speaker 2: but we're there.
Speaker 1: You just need him to keep picking Kansas State about
Speaker 1: fifteen more times. And if he does that, then I
Speaker 1: think that your chances might be creeping back in. Just
Speaker 1: like Kansas's chances of winning the Big twelve. They've gone
Speaker 1: up a little bit in the last week, right by
Speaker 1: winning two games they were heavily favored in. Yeah, every
Speaker 1: bit helps, everyone helps their two and one they beat
Speaker 1: Arizona State. Two man show today on ITP. I am
Speaker 1: Ryan Landrith, I am Landon Fields Landon is you know
Speaker 1: the meme of the guy who is just growling in
Speaker 1: anger with a happy face mask over. That's you right
Speaker 1: now having to miss the end of a college football
Speaker 1: playoff game to talk about Karriansas and Arizona State. But
Speaker 1: that is because you get paid the big bucks to
Speaker 1: work the essential jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's only been all day for me, so I've
Speaker 2: had a lot of practice.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the basketball game. If the
Speaker 1: sound ever works, it's working well in that area, working
Speaker 1: about as well as the refs and the college football
Speaker 1: playoff game number eleven Kansas seventy four, Arizona State fifty five. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, I know that there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of things you'd rather be doing at times than talking
Speaker 1: about the mediocre Kansas Jayhawks at times. First half was
Speaker 1: ferry mediocre. But where would you be in life? Where
Speaker 1: would you go in life if you weren't able to
Speaker 1: one day tell your grandkids that you talked about bill
Speaker 1: selves first ever win over the Arizona State Sun Devils.
Speaker 2: That's true all Remy Martin really is Bill's kryptonite because
Speaker 2: when he's on Arizona State, they beat him, and when
Speaker 2: he's on Kansas, Kansas melts down until they win a
Speaker 2: national championship. So Verie Martin very kind of like a
Speaker 2: nexus level player in college basketball. For Bill self anyway, I.
Speaker 1: Kind of tipped my toe in the water just a
Speaker 1: little bit and said, you know, no one said this
Speaker 1: part out loud. This is on Twitter, so great things
Speaker 1: about to happen, and I was like, you know, no
Speaker 1: one wants to say it. But while we're on the
Speaker 1: topic of Remy Martin, Bill self really really mismanaged that situation,
Speaker 1: and if they lose to Creighton, we're talking about that
Speaker 1: being one of the most frustrating transfers ever. And Remy
Speaker 1: was so good that he overcame that BS and one
Speaker 1: most outstanding player of a region. Anyway, despite being mismanaged
Speaker 1: all year end, I had my fair sheriff. Well he
Speaker 1: was hurt, spare me. He was not injured when Bill
Speaker 1: self yelled at him for scoring twelve points in three
Speaker 1: minutes in that exhibition game. We all know that Bill
Speaker 1: self mismanaged that situation and it wound up working out
Speaker 1: because Remy's really freaking good. But just the reminder, whenever
Speaker 1: we talk about Arizona State, I like to throw that
Speaker 1: out there. Bill self botched the Remy Martin situation and
Speaker 1: got bailed out because Remy's good.
Speaker 2: Correct. I agree. If you listen back to the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two version of the podcast, you will note that
Speaker 2: I agree there as well.
Speaker 1: That season almost broke us and then they won it all.
Speaker 2: But like it did break us. That TCU game broke.
Speaker 1: Us, Yeah, it did, and then very well, yeah, let
Speaker 1: me just quickly pull up the box score. So Kansas
Speaker 1: lost the TCU that day to fall to like twelve
Speaker 1: and four in Big Twelve play. They did not lose
Speaker 1: the rest of the way. They won their last two
Speaker 1: Big twelve games, They won the Big Twelve Tournament, they
Speaker 1: won the NCAA tournament. But remember that night whenever Bill
Speaker 1: was just trying Mitch Lightfoot and David McCormick over and over.
Speaker 1: March first, twenty twenty two was the and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the box score of this and in that game,
Speaker 1: Remy Martin played twelve minutes in a game Kansas scored
Speaker 1: sixty four points. And yes, yeah, you may ask yourself, well,
Speaker 1: in no way that was less than Mitch Lightfoot played.
Speaker 1: Oh but Landon, what if I told you that Mitch
Speaker 1: Lightfoot played more minutes than Remy Martin. They got really,
Speaker 1: really lucky that they slipped past Creighton, because if not,
Speaker 1: oh boy, would we be salty about that season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly do think I think your take there
Speaker 2: is great that if that season ends to Creighton, or
Speaker 2: you know, if they faltered a Providence because that was
Speaker 2: another weirdly close game or you know, whatever, then yeah,
Speaker 2: we look back at that season as like one of
Speaker 2: the bigger missed opportunity seasons in the Bill Seal fair
Speaker 2: are maybe the biggest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they that's the only season since twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: that they have made it past the second round and
Speaker 1: just barely, as you said, slipped past both Creighton and
Speaker 1: Providence in games Remy scored like twenty eight to thirty
Speaker 1: percent of their points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny that that guy was good. He scored
Speaker 2: two thousand points and it's almost like he knew how
Speaker 2: to score.
Speaker 1: I think Kansas has some good players on this team.
Speaker 1: We'll see if they have Remy Martin caliber players, but
Speaker 1: in this game they did beat Arizona State as into
Speaker 1: Allen Field House on their Bobby Hurley sized horse rode
Speaker 1: an unintimidated Arizona State team who built a forty two
Speaker 1: to thirty six half time lead by making threes and
Speaker 1: keeping Kansas's offense out of sync. Everything changed at the break.
Speaker 1: The Jayhawks played their finest defensive half in literally years.
Speaker 1: Shack Moore was a spark plug, Zeeke Mayo was a
Speaker 1: lightning rod, and kJ Adams energy willed Kansas into a
Speaker 1: nice performance. A dominant second half saw that Kansas outscored
Speaker 1: the Sun Devils by twenty five points that earned them
Speaker 1: both a nineteen point win and a cover for the Jayhawks.
Speaker 1: Is it a little premature to play the rap or
Speaker 1: are we giving beil self kudos? Sir? No, because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, take your back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a very interesting game. We were texting
Speaker 2: obviously in the first half, especially very strange half of
Speaker 2: basketball where it never really felt like Arizona State was
Speaker 2: outrightly out playing Kansas. I didn't think anyway. I didn't
Speaker 2: think Kansas played so badly in the first half. I
Speaker 2: think Arizona State shot the ball well in the first half,
Speaker 2: felt like a very fluky kind of half. That being said,
Speaker 2: Arizona State's thirteen points in the second half, which is
Speaker 2: the fewest any k opponent has scored in a half
Speaker 2: since TCU in February of twenty thirteen. Not the YMCA game,
Speaker 2: the other one. Yeah, the other game, which people forget,
Speaker 2: was like a blowout and reverse yeah, or both of both.
Speaker 2: Those games were basically the opposite of each other. Yep.
Speaker 2: I didn't think they had that second half in them necessarily,
Speaker 2: But Kansas now in all three of their Big Twelve games,
Speaker 2: have played really outstanding defense, at least in a half
Speaker 2: against all of their teams. I think they played really
Speaker 2: well on defense in the second half against West Virginia,
Speaker 2: a comeback that comes up ever so short in a
Speaker 2: worse performance for Kansas and a better team they played
Speaker 2: obviously UCF they were very good, and then this second
Speaker 2: half was genuinely like one of the most dominant defensive
Speaker 2: halves I've seen Kansas play ever, maybe maybe the most.
Speaker 2: It was impressive. It was really impressive. What did you
Speaker 2: make of it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was gonna go exactly where you
Speaker 1: did there. They've played. Of their last five halves, four
Speaker 1: of them have been really good, especially on the defensive end.
Speaker 1: They were plus twelve against West Virginia in the second half,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't enough. They needed to be plus thirteen
Speaker 1: or something some numbers. Maybe it was plus eleven. They
Speaker 1: need be plus I don't know, whatever it was. And
Speaker 1: then obviously both halfs against UCF were so ridiculous outlie
Speaker 1: early that it was almost strolled them in the trash,
Speaker 1: and then they dominated Arizona State in the second half.
Speaker 1: They didn't play horrible in the first half either. They
Speaker 1: were six points worse than the middle of the Big
Speaker 1: twelve team. Like that is going to happen. It's not
Speaker 1: like they went out there and just got deep pants
Speaker 1: for a half, and then they proved that they were
Speaker 1: the significantly better team of these two in the second half.
Speaker 1: I think that as Kansas now number four in the
Speaker 1: country on Ken Palm defensively, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: us entering this season expected them to be their best
Speaker 1: offensive version of themselves in a long time. They brought
Speaker 1: in a lot of scorers we knew guys like Rylan
Speaker 1: Griffin and aj Storr, both who were prominent offensive players
Speaker 1: at their last school, they would be coming off the
Speaker 1: bench to potentially bring huge impacts. We thought this team
Speaker 1: had seven or eight guys that could bring offensive fireworks.
Speaker 1: Now I'm wondering, with Store not being as good and
Speaker 1: Shackmore being a little bit of a surprise, now you're
Speaker 1: seeing a team. At least what I saw in the
Speaker 1: second half of that game was a team figuring out
Speaker 1: who they were a little bit. That was a team
Speaker 1: that's kind of realizing, Okay, the best version of ourselves
Speaker 1: might be a defensive stalwart more than a Hey, let's
Speaker 1: overwhelm you and blitze you. It's not the prettiest thing
Speaker 1: to watch, but it's been effective for to the last
Speaker 1: five halves in Big twelve play. That being said, I
Speaker 1: don't think we've learned a whole lot about Kansas. You
Speaker 1: expected them to certainly be at worse two in one
Speaker 1: in these three games, probably would have expected three and zero.
Speaker 1: They were favor it's an all three. They did not
Speaker 1: win all three. We are going to learn a lot
Speaker 1: about Kansas in the next week at Cincinnati and at
Speaker 1: Iowa State. At SINC. They project to be a slim
Speaker 1: favorite in a very close coin flip game at Iowa State,
Speaker 1: they will be an underdog, a situation they're very rarely
Speaker 1: in Underbill self. You gotta win at least one of
Speaker 1: those two games. Otherwise they're two and three, and I
Speaker 1: think we're talking about a team that still hasn't rounded
Speaker 1: that corner. If they go beat Cincy and play Iowa
Speaker 1: State within a bucket or two lose at the end,
Speaker 1: I think we're all feeling like this team has turned
Speaker 1: a corner. Is that fair?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely. I think the next two games are pivotal
Speaker 2: in the opinion of the team and in their actual
Speaker 2: trajectory and in where they're going to finish in Big
Speaker 2: twelve play, because I would still as of today pick
Speaker 2: them to lose at Iowa State.
Speaker 1: Certainly they're an underdog in that game. They're certainly an underdog,
Speaker 1: but Iowa State also isn't They're not playing at the
Speaker 1: JJ Reddick Duke teams like Iowa State was up like
Speaker 1: eight in the second half in Utah the other day.
Speaker 1: Like that's a that's not an impossible to win game.
Speaker 1: It's a tough matchup, for sure, But this is the
Speaker 1: preseason number one team in the country. We expect them
Speaker 1: to contend in every game, if not be in a
Speaker 1: position to win all of them down this stretch, they
Speaker 1: should be. They should play Iowa State as close as
Speaker 1: any team has played Iowa State all year. That should
Speaker 1: be the expectation.
Speaker 2: I think that should be the expectation. And we'll see,
Speaker 2: we'll see. Yeah. So I think the Cincinnati game is
Speaker 2: huge coming up. Obviously we'll get to at the end
Speaker 2: of the show. I think that is a huge game
Speaker 2: to see where Kansas is at. I also think like
Speaker 2: trailing by six to an okay areas, I mean okay,
Speaker 2: they're not great to a serviceable to average ish a zone.
Speaker 1: Right now, they are one of the last four or
Speaker 1: the first four out on Joe Lenardi's brackets. So like
Speaker 1: like a middle of the pack Power five team, they're
Speaker 1: as average as teams getting this in Power five.
Speaker 2: If if in a normal like in a traditional Kansas
Speaker 2: bill self like the streak kind of year, if you're
Speaker 2: just down by six at half en route to a
Speaker 2: nineteen point win, I don't think that is like I
Speaker 2: honestly don't even think that's especially noteworthy. But because of
Speaker 2: what these teams have been in stretches this year, and
Speaker 2: obviously what they were at the end of last year.
Speaker 2: I think it becomes a much more tangible red flag.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I do think the future will speak
Speaker 2: a lot more to what Kansas is. Should we hop
Speaker 2: into Shack Moore here, Ryan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not think we would be leading off
Speaker 1: a podcast with Shackmore, but here we are. And I
Speaker 1: didn't think we'd be talking about AJ Store being horrendous,
Speaker 1: but here we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shack Moore, let's start with him. Though I am
Speaker 2: very excited to get to AJ Store. Shack has earned
Speaker 2: the title of a spark plug kind of guy. In
Speaker 2: two starts. He had eight points in twenty two minutes,
Speaker 2: three five shooting, but his highlight play was a steal
Speaker 2: on an inbounds pass turned a dunk as Kansas was
Speaker 2: surging early in the second half. He changes the team's
Speaker 2: identity into an elite defensive one. Depth is when you
Speaker 2: have depth players that actually perform, it's pretty nice. It
Speaker 2: can give you a variety of looks in a variety
Speaker 2: of styles, and Shack Moore has absolutely provided a really nice,
Speaker 2: very very solid change of pace in the last couple games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we knew at the beginning of the year,
Speaker 1: you can say what you want about to Wan, kJ
Speaker 1: and Hunter, but we knew that those three guys were
Speaker 1: going to play prominent minutes and we all know that
Speaker 1: they can play at this level. They're all at minimum serviceable,
Speaker 1: if not very good at their peak basketball players. Then
Speaker 1: in came all the transfers, aj Store, Zeke Mayo, Ryland Griffin, Shackmore,
Speaker 1: David Koit, all of those guys. You have five transfers,
Speaker 1: and then you throw in Florie Bedunga. You have six guys.
Speaker 1: That's nine deep. You don't need that depth to give
Speaker 1: you nine superstar performances every night. That's just not how
Speaker 1: basketball works. By the middle of January, you expected a
Speaker 1: couple of those guys to be really good. Zeke Mayo
Speaker 1: all big twelve caliber guard. He is blossomed, Ryland Griffin
Speaker 1: looks like he's on his way and we certainly know
Speaker 1: the upsides there. And Shack Moore has been really good.
Speaker 1: I also think that David Koite has been about what
Speaker 1: you could have hoped for. He's shooting thirty nine percent
Speaker 1: on the season this year. He's been a good bench piece.
Speaker 1: Those guys have all been good, but Doonga has has
Speaker 1: shown flashed the brunch as well. Aj Store hasn't been
Speaker 1: as good as we thought he would be or even close.
Speaker 1: Ryland Griffin hasn't been as consistent. So whenever you have
Speaker 1: six question marks, you really only need three of them
Speaker 1: to show up and give you a good performance. And
Speaker 1: if that happens on this night, Zeke Mao very good,
Speaker 1: Shack Moore very good, and the third piece, Ryland Griffin
Speaker 1: pretty good. So of those six guys, three of them
Speaker 1: were good and three of them were eh. And Kansas
Speaker 1: was nineteen points better than Arizona State at home. Like
Speaker 1: that's what you need. That's the point of depth. It's
Speaker 1: so you don't have a situation like when they played
Speaker 1: Speaking of Cincinnati last year and you literally have nobody
Speaker 1: that can go make a shot. I think Shack Moore
Speaker 1: has been exactly what Dewan Harris's ideal compliment would be
Speaker 1: if he could draw it up in a lab. I
Speaker 1: thought he played really well. He's clearly earned Bill selfs
Speaker 1: trust quickly, and we didn't even know that this guy
Speaker 1: was gonna be helping enough to play at all a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. Good to see him out there. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's relinquishing that starting spot anytime soon with
Speaker 1: he he plays like a very Bill Selfie Kansas guard
Speaker 1: and that that's not Remy Martin. That right, There are
Speaker 1: guys that you may think are more exciting to watch,
Speaker 1: But Shackmore is an effective player who, under Bill's self,
Speaker 1: you expect to win a lot of games. That's what
Speaker 1: he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree. I've liked Shackmore a lot.
Speaker 2: He's a very Bill Selfie guard. I will say, if
Speaker 2: I was too, this is an nitpicking, because I don't
Speaker 2: think he's really been anything too outurly nitpick. If I
Speaker 2: was to prognosticate a concern that we could be having
Speaker 2: with Shackmore later in the year, it's that we could
Speaker 2: also start complaining that a lineup of Dewan Harris, Shackmore,
Speaker 2: kJ Adams, and Hunter Dickinson is not exactly lighting up
Speaker 2: the scoreboard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then there's one shooter on the floor in that
Speaker 1: lineup that.
Speaker 2: Would be the worry. Shackmore has knocked down a couple threes.
Speaker 2: He's not like a complete non factor out there, but
Speaker 2: I could see that being a problem. Not yet, certainly,
Speaker 2: not yet, And I think absolutely continue to start and
Speaker 2: continue to play shack More a lot of minutes until
Speaker 2: that proves to be a genuine problem. But I could
Speaker 2: see that happening of Zeke, and that even happened a
Speaker 2: little bit in stretches of this game where you could
Speaker 2: see Zeke Mayo, and to his credit, he can do it,
Speaker 2: but he was trying to force a lot of offense
Speaker 2: at times because the rest of the team was not
Speaker 2: in a spot where they were going to score a lot,
Speaker 2: and he was having to kind of force some shots
Speaker 2: for some buckets, force the offense a little bit himself.
Speaker 2: And that's not a situation I think you should be in,
Speaker 2: even though Zeke is a very capable player in those spots.
Speaker 1: Well, and they have four guys that can play the
Speaker 1: point on this roster. They almost had five, but al
Speaker 1: Marco Jackson hurt himself in October. Like these are all
Speaker 1: guys who are either combo guards or primary point guards,
Speaker 1: and to one and Shack are very similar basketball players.
Speaker 1: So yes, you are going to struggle to get offense
Speaker 1: in a lineup where at best you have one true
Speaker 1: shooter on the floor. However, if you overwhelm your opponents
Speaker 1: defensively and there aren't any offensive juggernauts in the Big twelve,
Speaker 1: you should be able to win games in the high
Speaker 1: sixties low seventies. Will selves done his whole career, But
Speaker 1: they have to be flexible. There are going to be
Speaker 1: teams and opponents and matchups. We're having Zeke Mayo play
Speaker 1: primary point and putting athletes around him, guys that can score,
Speaker 1: and trying to play faster. That that's better. You kind
Speaker 1: of saw that a little bit against UCF. Bill self
Speaker 1: let Zeke Mayo be the primary point guard at times
Speaker 1: there and they hung ninety nine. In a game like this.
Speaker 1: The defense was a disaster in the first half, and
Speaker 1: they clearly went for that kind of approach and they
Speaker 1: held Arizona State to the fifties. Like that, that's much
Speaker 1: more of the way Kansas wants to play. And I
Speaker 1: personally think that Dewan Harris was Kansas's best player in
Speaker 1: this game. His final line was nine point seven assists,
Speaker 1: a donut and the turnovers that is zero and three
Speaker 1: steals in thirty two minutes. Defensively, brilliance Offensively, I thought
Speaker 1: he was myro and a game that will go under
Speaker 1: the radar, but he was just in control of that
Speaker 1: whole second half. He was also the victim of the
Speaker 1: refs with that horrible, stupid ass he got in the
Speaker 1: landing zone. Well, sure, because the guy stuck his leg
Speaker 1: into him, like he was also the victim of that.
Speaker 1: But I thought Harris was Kansas's best player. He's not spectacular,
Speaker 1: but wow, can that guy win a lot of games
Speaker 1: quarterbacking the Jayhawks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this was like an idyllic Dewan Harris performance.
Speaker 2: This is this is kind of like the summation of
Speaker 2: what he does, the platonic ideal of Adwan Harris game,
Speaker 2: if you will, Like, he's not gonna be super flashy,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna score a ton, He's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 2: make a lot of nice passes, gonna a lot of assists,
Speaker 2: take care of the basketball, and play really good defense.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what he did here. I don't have a
Speaker 2: lot to add there. I think that's I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think he was really really good in this game.
Speaker 2: Didn't do a ton that was flashy, but was as
Speaker 2: solid as you can hope from a twenty ninth year
Speaker 2: point guard.
Speaker 1: Well, and whether we like it or not, we are
Speaker 1: starting see a rotation take shape, Like it's always around
Speaker 1: this time that Kansas begins to figure it out, and
Speaker 1: you see that rotation. At the beginning of every season,
Speaker 1: we look at the roster, we salivate over it, and
Speaker 1: we say, oh my gosh, this team's got thirteen guys.
Speaker 1: Like all these guys are studs. But you know, over
Speaker 1: the course of a year that guys will and won't
Speaker 1: climb and up the ranks of the rotation. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: here we are. Injuries, performance aside all that stuff. Here's
Speaker 1: your rotation. You have your five guys that started this game,
Speaker 1: Harris Moore, Mayo, Adams, and Dickinson. Like it or not,
Speaker 1: they're all in the rotation. They're all getting starter minutes.
Speaker 1: Flori Bajuna is the big off the bench, and then
Speaker 1: as of right now, there's two guards that are coming
Speaker 1: off the bench. There's Rylan Griffin and there's David Koit.
Speaker 1: I saw a couple people talking about how Quoit shouldn't
Speaker 1: play as much, he should not play more than Ryland Griffin,
Speaker 1: but he's been very solid statistically and he's an experienced
Speaker 1: ball handler. That's the guy. You have to have a
Speaker 1: ballhandler that can come off the bench. Those are there
Speaker 1: eight guys right now. Aj Store in case the second
Speaker 1: half was an indication not in the rotation, not in
Speaker 1: the circle of trust. Rare Key's passmore, not in this rotation,
Speaker 1: not even close. Zach Clements is hurt. This is who
Speaker 1: you have right now, like it or not. This is
Speaker 1: the rotation. We can argue all we want, but I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot is truly gonna change over the
Speaker 1: next few weeks. Sparring and injury. These are the eight
Speaker 1: guys they're going to ride or die with most nights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. And let's let's let's talk about
Speaker 2: the one of the guys that we, uh, we're definitely
Speaker 2: not sure should be there. It's kJ Adams. He had
Speaker 2: six points, seven rebounds, three assists, two steals in thirty
Speaker 2: two minutes when he played poorly Soda Kansas. When he
Speaker 2: ignited the defensive effort in the second half especially, the
Speaker 2: team was much better. Ryan. Was he good enough?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really good in the second half. The
Speaker 1: second half was what you wanted a kJ. He made
Speaker 1: a couple of plays and he Okay, here's the thing
Speaker 1: with kJ, Like, let's let's give kJ a couple of
Speaker 1: flowers here, because number one I saw I posted on
Speaker 1: Twitter that kJ what he does best is he brings
Speaker 1: energy better than anyone on the team, and people are
Speaker 1: like no or he can bring the energy in scoes No.
Speaker 1: kJ is the best energy bringer, arguably of the bill
Speaker 1: Self era. His energy is contagious. That second half was
Speaker 1: ignited by two strong defensive plays by kJ Adams where
Speaker 1: the entire team feasted off that energy. Only he can
Speaker 1: do that. Secondly, it is a very well balanced box score.
Speaker 1: kJ has rebounded quietly the last two games. Seven in
Speaker 1: each of the last two contests. Three assists that's great,
Speaker 1: couple steals, couple blocks, big time moments. Those are stat
Speaker 1: contributions that we haven't seen from kJ. kJ Adams can
Speaker 1: do things that no other player on the team can.
Speaker 1: I get it if you want to question how important
Speaker 1: they are. But he is not losing any playing time.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen whether we want it to
Speaker 1: or not. This is who they're going to ride with.
Speaker 1: And it's time to focus on the positive things that
Speaker 1: he does because we can bitch about it all we want.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna not play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, certainly at this point he is not.
Speaker 2: I think he was good enough. I think he was
Speaker 2: solid this game. I'm still kind of baffled as to
Speaker 2: why and Arizona State did a did it more than UCF.
Speaker 2: But I'm still a little bit baffled as to why
Speaker 2: people aren't truly playing the the Creighton Missoo defense, the
Speaker 2: West Virginia defense. I just don't I don't get it.
Speaker 2: At least try it, try it until it proves that
Speaker 2: it's not working. And like Arizona State did a little,
Speaker 2: but it's surprising. But yeah, kJ Adams, you're You're definitely
Speaker 2: right about the rebounding. He's he's quietly been a better
Speaker 2: rebound in the last few games. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: still a very like good rebounder, So I'm I'm assuming
Speaker 2: that number is gonna go down because I just don't
Speaker 2: think he's a very handsy rebounder. It's very odd he
Speaker 2: like for a guy that is theoretically so strong, I mean,
Speaker 2: look at him. You know, he's got like absolute Greek
Speaker 2: god arms mostly like it's crazy, but he doesn't feel
Speaker 2: like he's super strong at the rim on on on
Speaker 2: the glass anyway. But now he was definitely good enough.
Speaker 2: He continues to do a lot of the little things
Speaker 2: very well. He defends pretty well, can pass all these
Speaker 2: things that we've talked about as major pros for kJ Adams.
Speaker 2: He did really well in this game, and I wouldn't
Speaker 2: suspect he's gonna do those things well most of the
Speaker 2: rest of the season. I still think in what will
Speaker 2: probably be an inevitible loss in the tournament, kJ Adams
Speaker 2: is gonna have like three points and two rebounds, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna say, man, who could have seen that coming.
Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm wrong, but that's still where it kind of feels.
Speaker 2: But he's not playing so poorly to take him off
Speaker 2: the floor, at least not this game. He was very,
Speaker 2: very bad in the West Virginia game, but that was
Speaker 2: the two games ago now, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Bill's definitely gonna keep playing him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they want to win the way that Bill
Speaker 1: self wants to win, kJ is an important piece. If
Speaker 1: they want to win with shut down defense, if they
Speaker 1: want to win with slow, methodical offense that plays, you know,
Speaker 1: pass the ball around, find the best shot you can
Speaker 1: every possession instead of just trying to get shots up
Speaker 1: in a hurry. kJ is a good fit. Something else
Speaker 1: that kJ has quietly gotten a lot better at his
Speaker 1: free throw shooting. Entering this season, he was a sub
Speaker 1: sixty percent free throw shooter. Twenty one for twenty seven
Speaker 1: this year, that's seventy eight percent. Like we saw Jalen
Speaker 1: Wilson improve substantially in his last season as a free
Speaker 1: throw shooter, Kj's kind of done that as well, and
Speaker 1: that's helpful for this team has And we talked about
Speaker 1: it a few weeks ago, are they ever going to
Speaker 1: draw free throws? We all kind of agreed Big twelve
Speaker 1: games more physical, they would eventually get to the line
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and they can shoot the hell
Speaker 1: out of the free throw like thirteen for thirteen in
Speaker 1: this game, you just have to get to the line.
Speaker 1: And they are a team of good free throw shooters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they showed that against West Virginia at least
Speaker 2: Zeek Mayo did. We've been saying this most of the
Speaker 2: season that if this team can get to the line,
Speaker 2: they're going to make a lot more than they're gonna miss.
Speaker 2: And you've started to see that a lot, and I
Speaker 2: hope that continues to be the case. It certainly seems
Speaker 2: like that's been sort of a mandate or at least
Speaker 2: a real attempt to get guys to the free throw line,
Speaker 2: attack the cup, get there. It's worked out pretty well.
Speaker 2: They've they've definitely shot well from the line, and I
Speaker 2: think that is a ceiling elevator, especially for a team
Speaker 2: that may struggle on offense at times. If you can
Speaker 2: get free ones at the stripe, then that's gonna help
Speaker 2: you a lot.
Speaker 1: Yep, and we we must give Bill Self his rap.
Speaker 1: I'll give it to him here myself because somehow, and
Speaker 1: I don't know how this can be possibly true. That
Speaker 1: was Kansas's first win over the Sun Devils in three attempts.
Speaker 1: In the Bill Self era, Bobby Hurley entered as something
Speaker 1: very few college coaches can say. He was undefeated at
Speaker 1: Allen field House. Who can say that? Is it just
Speaker 1: uh DeVry, just the West Virginia coach? Now can anyone
Speaker 1: else say they're undefeated at Allen field House? I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody else can. They don't lose non conference games ever,
Speaker 1: and all the Big twelve teams lose their once a year.
Speaker 2: Who is San Diego State's head coach that time?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Steve Fisher can say that he was
Speaker 1: undefeated at Allen field House. That's a good call. There
Speaker 1: are probably a couple if he.
Speaker 2: Can say he's one hundred percent three point shooter in
Speaker 2: his college career.
Speaker 1: But that's true. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a very
Speaker 1: for one, it's a little cheap, but it is. But
Speaker 1: it still counts only Gonzaga. They are the only team
Speaker 1: that has late Kansas multiple times under a self and
Speaker 1: remain undefeated against Kansas. And of course, as you can
Speaker 1: know because you follow this show, there is absolutely no
Speaker 1: team in an intarnation that I'd rather that be true
Speaker 1: less about than again Zaga Bulldogs, who are.
Speaker 2: Two and oh they didn't do it in field House though
Speaker 2: that is true. They did in Orlando and then wherever
Speaker 2: the tournament was last year.
Speaker 1: Yep, And yeah, I was gonna say, in one of
Speaker 1: the most in a little bit more crucial of a setting,
Speaker 1: they managed to take that. So we talked about the rotation,
Speaker 1: We talked about the point guards, talked about the refts.
Speaker 1: Reffs they were atrocious and Hunter Dickinson's moving screen was terrible.
Speaker 1: He also got hit in the nuts and the Refts
Speaker 1: just kind of stood there and watched them hunched over
Speaker 1: for three seconds before they go, oh, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's I think we should probably call it a foul.
Speaker 1: Sure should. Refs haven't been super kind to Kansas this year,
Speaker 1: but that's fine, you know they if we're being honest,
Speaker 1: KU opponents are probably due a couple of those. We've
Speaker 1: all watched the games. Yeah, tell me about the big guys,
Speaker 1: at least with Hunter who was what you know, what's
Speaker 1: very interesting Landon is Hunter Dickinson is not going to
Speaker 1: get mixed up with Achem Elijah One from a defensive
Speaker 1: center capability chart. I understand that. However, it's pretty amazing
Speaker 1: that for how bad Hunter Digginson is on defense, Twitter
Speaker 1: says that Kansas is still setting up as a top
Speaker 1: five defensive team in college basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was once again quite good here. He
Speaker 2: had fifteen points, twelve rebounds to assist, three steals in
Speaker 2: three blocks thirty four minutes. He also brought the house
Speaker 2: down with that one handed and one dunk. There are people,
Speaker 2: most of them on Twitter. Whether or not they actually
Speaker 2: live lives is yet to be proven, but they do
Speaker 2: believe he's a negative for the team. Huh. I do
Speaker 2: disagree with that, despite his liability on defense at times,
Speaker 2: And like you said that, honestly, a couple of their
Speaker 2: best stretches of defense this year have been with him
Speaker 2: on the floor.
Speaker 1: So sure all of them, actually all of the ones
Speaker 1: that come to mind.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, you're correct. Flory was quieterlimited min he scored
Speaker 2: four points? Did he actually foul out? A forgetting this?
Speaker 2: Did I did forget this?
Speaker 1: Five twelve minutes? That's not great?
Speaker 2: That's not good. No, that's not good. Maybe I just
Speaker 2: I think I must have just stopped paying super close attention,
Speaker 2: as this was like an eighteen point game with a
Speaker 2: minute left or something. But right I miss that. That's
Speaker 2: not good. Not good.
Speaker 1: Here here's a sequence. And I've gone back and forth
Speaker 1: with a with a particular Twitter account many times that
Speaker 1: insists Hunter Dickinson is just dog poop. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: the inclination. And this is a back and forth and
Speaker 1: the Twitter mentions I said, Hunter Dickinson's vision is very underappreciated,
Speaker 1: and it's so exceptionally rare for a player of his size.
Speaker 1: He's always looking down the court, he's always looking towards
Speaker 1: the basket. He's a smart player, as you'd expect because
Speaker 1: he's thirty years old. Ha ha ha ha. And the
Speaker 1: response says that is probably the only decent thing that
Speaker 1: he does. And I respond and say, well, he averages
Speaker 1: eighteen and eleven, but yeah, I guess that sucks. And
Speaker 1: the response says, I'm glad the box score is all
Speaker 1: that matters. Yes, points and rebounds are important, believe it
Speaker 1: or not. And the response says, so is defense and
Speaker 1: so is effort. And it's like, Okay, they have the
Speaker 1: fourth best defense in the country with him getting the
Speaker 1: second most minutes. Like, I just don't know, what do
Speaker 1: you want? The team is good on defense and he
Speaker 1: plays a lot, Like is that not enough? What is
Speaker 1: going to be enough for Hunter Dickinson? Is it making
Speaker 1: every shot? Someone's like he misers a bunny every game. Yes,
Speaker 1: he doesn't shoot a hundred percent. What do you want?
Speaker 1: You want him off the team? You want Flory in
Speaker 1: his fivey twelve minutes playing the five all the time?
Speaker 1: How's that gonna go?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And like I am, I'm someone who is very
Speaker 2: willing to be critical of Hunter Dickinson, but I do
Speaker 2: think it, Like I also have been very vocal about
Speaker 2: the people that only criticize Hunter Dickinson being really weird,
Speaker 2: because yeah, guys, he's aftering like seventeen points in his career,
Speaker 2: Like that's pretty good. And yeah, you can't only analyze
Speaker 2: box score to understand, but like you can't suck and
Speaker 2: average like eight teen and eleven all time. You know,
Speaker 2: like one of those two things can't quite be the case.
Speaker 2: And he hasn't been bad. He's been pretty good. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's been moments where he has been truly unbelievably bad
Speaker 2: on defense. Even in this game, you saw Arizona State
Speaker 2: kind of understand how to play him a lot of
Speaker 2: the time, and that was get him out in space
Speaker 2: and utilize and take advantage of his lack of athleticism
Speaker 2: to get him in bad spots, get him in the
Speaker 2: air a little bit, dribble around him, put him out
Speaker 2: in space, make him chase. And when you can do that,
Speaker 2: yeah you can score. And Arizona State did, especially in
Speaker 2: the first half, pretty much only in the first half.
Speaker 2: My half court Eaves could have once again maybe scored
Speaker 2: more than thirteen points for Arizona State. But he's still
Speaker 2: really good. He's really good, and he is an absolute
Speaker 2: force down low. And when you can pair him with
Speaker 2: guys who can make some shots, and Kansas does have
Speaker 2: a couple of guys that can do that, You're gonna
Speaker 2: be just fine.
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations Land And because a college kicker moment did
Speaker 1: not actually go poorly just now, and they are showing
Speaker 1: a very sad James Franklin on the sideline as his
Speaker 1: It appears it appears that Penn State this is gonna
Speaker 1: shock you. You might want to sit down first. It appears
Speaker 1: that Penn State is going to lose a football game
Speaker 1: against the team ranked in the top ten. I know
Speaker 1: that is just gonna win.
Speaker 2: The same amount of titles at Penn State as he
Speaker 2: did with Kansas.
Speaker 1: No, that would be zero last time I checked, that
Speaker 1: would be zero bowl games? Right? Zero bowl games? Or
Speaker 1: was he still here whenever they just destroyed like half
Speaker 1: of the UNLV starting line.
Speaker 2: I think he was technically on that team that beat
Speaker 2: UNLV's JV squad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a very broncos over the Chiefs Week eighteen bowl
Speaker 1: win there for the Jayhawks against a completely picked apart
Speaker 1: UNLV team. But hey, at least the twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: bowl game was much better, right, Right, That's what I
Speaker 1: thought here. I'm gonna just.
Speaker 2: Scamp Pea Colorado was really good.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna Stampede speaking of Buffalo Stampede, haha. Through
Speaker 1: everybody else here, and then you can have the AJ
Speaker 1: store floor because we don't have a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about with these three guys. Zeke Mayo twenty three points,
Speaker 1: five of eight from three, eight for fourteen overall thirty
Speaker 1: two minutes. It's pretty clear that for Kansas to make
Speaker 1: noise in this tournament, he's going to have to be
Speaker 1: Zeke Mayo is gonna have to carry their offense, because
Speaker 1: if you take out his five for eight from three,
Speaker 1: Kansas was two for fifteen. That is bad. The three
Speaker 1: point shooting. I still think they have enough pieces where
Speaker 1: it'll be okay. They were seven for twenty two. That
Speaker 1: is fine. At the end of the day, Ryland Griffin
Speaker 1: nine points, three rebounds, eighteen minutes. He's starting to play more,
Speaker 1: looks more comfortable. I know that we have mixed opinions
Speaker 1: on store, but it's nice to see Griffin not get buried.
Speaker 1: I think Bill self understands how pivotal of a piece
Speaker 1: Griffin is. His pull up jumper. He's the first player
Speaker 1: or not including Zeke Mayo, the first time they've had
Speaker 1: a player since Grady Dick where it really did feel
Speaker 1: like every time he shoots, the ball's going in. David
Speaker 1: Kuoy didn't score, he did, He just played twelve minutes.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the people on Twitter who don't want him
Speaker 1: to play, no, you do. He's shooting high thirties and
Speaker 1: threes and he can handle the ball off the bench.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. He shouldn't play a lot. He should
Speaker 1: be eighth out of the eight. I think I think
Speaker 1: Florie needs to play more than he is, but like
Speaker 1: Quoit should be. Koit should be eight in minutes, but
Speaker 1: Quit needs to play fifteen to twenty minutes a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Koit needs to be in the rotation for sure.
Speaker 2: I think this was the last two games from Griffin
Speaker 2: have arguably been in the best two games of a season.
Speaker 2: I thought he was really effective.
Speaker 1: He didn't get and what made him so good really well,
Speaker 1: what was really encouraging we He was four for four
Speaker 1: from three against UCF, so of course he made an
Speaker 1: impact in a day where you make four threes, but
Speaker 1: this game he was just one for four from three.
Speaker 1: The one he made was on an offensive rebound after
Speaker 1: he missed one earlier in the possession, so he still
Speaker 1: was able to go out and get you four to
Speaker 1: two point baskets or three two point baskets, whatever that
Speaker 1: math is nine points on just one for four shooting.
Speaker 1: That's the sort of contributions that they need to see
Speaker 1: from him. He was very good and he is a
Speaker 1: lethal player. All right, go ahead, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: and now it's time.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. AJ Store played a really poor four minutes,
Speaker 2: maybe the worst few minutes you can possibly play. He
Speaker 2: finished with minus seven in four minutes in a game
Speaker 2: that Kansas won by nineteen. He did not play in
Speaker 2: the second half against West Virginia and Arizona State, which
Speaker 2: we are taking out the UCF game because everyone's numbers
Speaker 2: were insanely inflated, and I guess you know that's how
Speaker 2: basketball works. But nonetheless, Kansas minus twenty two with aj
Speaker 2: Store on the floor against West Virginia and Arizona State
Speaker 2: and plus forty when he doesn't in a game they lost.
Speaker 2: They are still plus forty with him off the court.
Speaker 2: I have I think I praised AJ Storer one time
Speaker 2: on the show. It was early in the year. I
Speaker 2: don't remember who it was against. He did play really
Speaker 2: well early. Otherwise I have very much been on the
Speaker 2: AJ Store is not good and should not be playing
Speaker 2: because he is not playing well at all. Train and
Speaker 2: I get you and Kim especially have been on the
Speaker 2: this looks really bad for recruits, and that's like not unreasonable,
Speaker 2: But I also sure maybe it looks bad for recruits,
Speaker 2: but it's not that he This is not a Remy
Speaker 2: Martin situation. This is not the it's not and Bill's
Speaker 2: just not playing the issue store sucks right now and
Speaker 2: that could change. Maybe it will. I hope it does.
Speaker 2: But he's bad. He's really bad right now. He cannot play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that stretch, that four minutes that you talked about,
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, this is already a guy that's
Speaker 1: having to wait now two games in a row, thirteen
Speaker 1: minutes just to get on the floor. He is on
Speaker 1: thin thin, I says is. And he goes out there
Speaker 1: and immediately, like you missed this play, immediately throws an
Speaker 1: inbounds pass right to an opposing player under his own
Speaker 1: basket and gives up a layup, like immediate, three seconds
Speaker 1: into his year, he does that, and in his four minutes,
Speaker 1: the only thing he had two of on his stat
Speaker 1: cart as turnovers, including the one under his own basket
Speaker 1: he missed the contest to three. Then he lost another possession.
Speaker 1: Whenever he was trying to drive against three guys at once,
Speaker 1: his man made two different buckets on him, and it
Speaker 1: was all over in like two hundred seconds. Then that
Speaker 1: was it, Like it was it was insane. They are
Speaker 1: so much poorer with him in the game. And we've
Speaker 1: witnessed with our eyeballs AJ Storr being a good basketball
Speaker 1: player for a power five team in Wisconsin, a Wisconsin
Speaker 1: team that finished top four in a major conference last year.
Speaker 1: We know the capabilities are there, but I believe I
Speaker 1: don't remember who was Someone on Twitter said, did you
Speaker 1: see aj Storre when Hunter Nigginson threw down that dunk
Speaker 1: and the bench exploded? And aj Storer could not have
Speaker 1: looked more and less invested. He just looked so mad.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's fair to question how bought in
Speaker 1: he is. And it's also fair to wonder how bought
Speaker 1: in would you be if you are playing this poorly
Speaker 1: in a season that you truly expected to be a
Speaker 1: more valuable part of the team. But you can't do
Speaker 1: anything about it now. Right exactly you expected it. We
Speaker 1: thought he'd be their second leading scorer, like that's what
Speaker 1: he was brought in to do, and at this point
Speaker 1: he is not giving Bill self a reason to play
Speaker 1: him like he's not I don't know, I'm I am
Speaker 1: very close to being right in your camp and just
Speaker 1: being like this is a waste of time. He's not
Speaker 1: good enough, he's not playing. He's not one of their
Speaker 1: eight best players right now. He cannot play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fully agree fully agree, and to hear this is
Speaker 2: also much worse than he's been playing in the last
Speaker 2: few games. Was performance he's had all year, which does
Speaker 2: make me wonder maybe he will begin to trend upward,
Speaker 2: but again that's based purely on the pass, not on
Speaker 2: anything that he has done really this year, at least
Speaker 2: not in the last like what two months at this point.
Speaker 1: And Bill's self has remained very complimentary of Store honestly,
Speaker 1: like we saw him throw Remy under the bus a lot,
Speaker 1: like he has continue to pump up the practice things.
Speaker 1: Store was really good in practice and all that here
Speaker 1: our Store. In the games that matter for Kansas. He
Speaker 1: scored thirteen points against North Carolina. He was legitimately good
Speaker 1: in a game if they only won by three. We
Speaker 1: saw that just six points and foul out in twelve
Speaker 1: minutes against Michigan State that was bad, did score eleven
Speaker 1: points and had a nice second half against Duke. Give
Speaker 1: him two points there, Creighton nothing, Missouri one for seven,
Speaker 1: North Carolina State two points in seventeen minutes, West Virginia
Speaker 1: a minus fourteen and fifteen minutes, and Arizona State no points,
Speaker 1: minus seven and four minutes. Like, he has not been
Speaker 1: good in a game against an opponent that you've heard of,
Speaker 1: unless you count UCF since before Thanksgiving. That's the wrong way.
Speaker 2: And even the UCF stuff as much as maybe you
Speaker 2: are screaming at your phone right now with Spotify open saying,
Speaker 2: but he was good in that game, Uh he was,
Speaker 2: But even that was garbage time largely, like that was
Speaker 2: the game is over and here comes aj Store to
Speaker 2: score some some more or less irrelevant baskets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, he has not made or he has not
Speaker 1: played in a consequential moment and also played well and
Speaker 1: said consequential moments since the Duke game, And honestly, was
Speaker 1: he only on the floor because Hunter Dickinson got tossed
Speaker 1: Like that also played a factor too. They had less guys.
Speaker 1: They kind of had to sink or swim there Creighton, Missouri,
Speaker 1: West Virginia, and Arizona State three ls where aj store
Speaker 1: has been a minus by a lot and all of them,
Speaker 1: and they beat Arizona State where he barely got on
Speaker 1: the floor and was undoubtedly the worst part of the
Speaker 1: team of the team.
Speaker 2: I also do want to point out because as much
Speaker 2: as aj storre like, he is the one playing and
Speaker 2: thus he is largely responsible for that. Obviously he is
Speaker 2: responsible for his output in that way, I do still
Speaker 2: want to point out I think he's been put in
Speaker 2: a very bad position, like tell me what he's actually
Speaker 2: supposed to do stylistically on this team, Like I'm not
Speaker 2: really sure what it is, and you could say and
Speaker 2: I and I said this in the preseason. I think
Speaker 2: this was sort of the general consensus or certainly what
Speaker 2: I thought was the opinion, and certainly seemed to be
Speaker 2: the player profiles that he was supposed to at least
Speaker 2: kind of replace Kevin McCuller. He wasn't nearly as good
Speaker 2: as a rebound.
Speaker 1: It's that he was supposed to be to drive to
Speaker 1: the cup guy that was supposed to be his yea
Speaker 1: he drive to the cup.
Speaker 2: Three man, Yep, yep, he was the slasher. The driver
Speaker 2: could knock down the occasional three, but wasn't gonna light
Speaker 2: it up from out there, and it was going to
Speaker 2: be an athlete and a good defender on the perimeter.
Speaker 2: That was what AJ Store was supposed to be. But
Speaker 2: when you are trying to recruit shooters, which they did
Speaker 2: recruit shooters, and also you have guys, as we've talked
Speaker 2: about at length, the Dewan Harris, kJ Adams, Hunter Dickinson trio,
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure how aj Store really fits in
Speaker 2: with the rest of those pieces because he's like a
Speaker 2: true kind of traditional small forward in that way like
Speaker 2: Kevin mccullor or Jalen Wilson were, but not as good
Speaker 2: as those guys. And obviously that is more just like
Speaker 2: that's his thing and that you know, you can't predict
Speaker 2: every time. Not everyone's gonna hit, and that's just kind
Speaker 2: of the way that goes.
Speaker 1: And that's okay, well, and we knew last year, but
Speaker 1: we knew last year. I mean, you look at the numbers.
Speaker 1: Aj Store. Not a rebounder plays he's six seven, less
Speaker 1: than four boards a game in thirty minutes. Not a rebounder,
Speaker 1: not a passer, has never averaged more than zero point
Speaker 1: nine assists per game in his career. Doesn't block shots.
Speaker 1: Has thirteen total in his career, thirteen total blocks. He's
Speaker 1: sixty seven, not five to seven. Like, he doesn't do that.
Speaker 1: He's not a guy who's gonna get you steals averages
Speaker 1: less than one half of one steal per game. Aj
Speaker 1: Store has forty steals in eighty three career games. He's
Speaker 1: not going to He's not gonna do that either. Not
Speaker 1: a three point threat. Shot just thirty two percent last year.
Speaker 1: He made less than one hundred threes and eighty three
Speaker 1: career games. He was brought in here to do one thing,
Speaker 1: drive to the cup and score. He's a good free
Speaker 1: throw shooter. But he doesn't get to the line either.
Speaker 1: He's got to score at the rim. He hasn't done that.
Speaker 1: So we shouldn't be shocked that he's not contributing in
Speaker 1: any other way because he's never done that. But last
Speaker 1: year he did score at the Cup. He's not doing that.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's the and that's the piece they
Speaker 1: need the most right now. They need a downfield driver,
Speaker 1: guy who can go to the cup and get you
Speaker 1: two points more often than he can't or get fouled,
Speaker 1: go to the line and make them that way what
Speaker 1: we've seen Zeke Mayo make that adjustment. He's driving to
Speaker 1: the cup a lot more since conference play started. AJ
Speaker 1: Store could not look less interested.
Speaker 2: Would you play him against Cincinnati at all?
Speaker 1: I mean, I still think that I would put him
Speaker 1: in the game about twelve minutes in, assuming that you're
Speaker 1: not down, you know, twenty three to ten, like we've
Speaker 1: seen Kansas get down in that spot in recent road games.
Speaker 1: I still think I try it. He's a good athlete,
Speaker 1: and inevitably with his his bo of work, he's a
Speaker 1: Division one athlete like you should be able to occasionally
Speaker 1: get something. We saw it against U and c we
Speaker 1: saw it against Duke, like it should be there. But
Speaker 1: I'm fine using him in the role where if I
Speaker 1: try it for three minutes and he's bad, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying it again the rest of the night. That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's exactly what happened here.
Speaker 2: You throw him out there, you give him maybe five minutes.
Speaker 2: Maybe if he plays well, you can at least try
Speaker 2: him again, and if he doesn't, that's that's it.
Speaker 1: Like kJ Adams is listed just like AJ Store at
Speaker 1: six foot seven. We all think kJ is probably a
Speaker 1: better athlete. But kJ Adams has seventy one blocks in
Speaker 1: his career in one hundred and twenty games, Like, that's
Speaker 1: about point seven a game. AJ Store has thirteen blocks
Speaker 1: in three years. Like he doesn't contribute And you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not a huge difference. It's won every couple games, Okay,
Speaker 1: But kJ Adams averages what in the last couple of
Speaker 1: years almost three assists per game, AJ Store under one
Speaker 1: for his career. kJ Adams will get your steel a game.
Speaker 1: AJ Store won't even get you close. Like all those
Speaker 1: little things we talk about kJ not putting anything on
Speaker 1: the box score. AJ Store doesn't put anything in the
Speaker 1: box score if he's not scoring at the rim, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean didn't he He just had a zero zero
Speaker 1: zero zero zero game for proof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and with the blocks things specifically, I mean,
Speaker 2: AJ Store is also a more true perimeter player, and
Speaker 2: he's gonna be defending on the perimeter a lot more
Speaker 2: than K where kJ is defending in and around the
Speaker 2: paint and at the basket a lot more. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: points taken. Yeah, this is definitely the case of AJ
Speaker 2: Store has like one thing to do and he looks deeply,
Speaker 2: deeply uncomfortable doing it, and that is driving to the
Speaker 2: cup and trying to draw contact. And he's just not
Speaker 2: trying to do that at all. Which maybe you could
Speaker 2: blame that on Bill, because it does seem like from
Speaker 2: early reports that Bill might have gotten his head a
Speaker 2: little bit, which you know has never happened before. Bill's
Speaker 2: never gotten anyone's head before.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's happened.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he has to do that, and we're definitely
Speaker 2: seeing a guy who has one particular skill set uh
Speaker 2: not utilized that almost at all, and he doesn't really
Speaker 2: have anything else to do, which a little bit. Ending
Speaker 2: a nineteen point win for Kansas, uh in a game
Speaker 2: where they held their opponent to thirteen points in the
Speaker 2: second half and played truly outrageous defense and played really
Speaker 2: well in a game where you know, Brylan Griffin played
Speaker 2: well and Zeke Mayo was great, and Hunter Dickinson was
Speaker 2: great and kJ even had a pretty good game, uh.
Speaker 2: Ending on just ranting by a J Store. But I guess, well,
Speaker 2: that's that's the talk game for Kansas.
Speaker 1: That is the talking point because to one more throwback
Speaker 1: to you brought up the Kevin Coher thing. Absolutely, he
Speaker 1: was brought into be Kevin mcculler's replacement. Kevin mcculor was
Speaker 1: a really good score at the rim like we needed
Speaker 1: aj Stort to be. But Kevin mccullor did a lot
Speaker 1: of things in the box score. He had two triple yes, like,
Speaker 1: he did a lot of things in addition to being
Speaker 1: a very defensive player. None of that has been seen
Speaker 1: from aj Storer. I still think it could work. We've
Speaker 1: seen it happen at the power five level. We like
Speaker 1: the thing with Nick Timberlake that made us lose. All
Speaker 1: hope is he's never done it for a team better
Speaker 1: than thousand. We saw a J Storre do it against
Speaker 1: big ten teams every night like it's there, it's in
Speaker 1: the tank. But yeah, what you said about Bill self
Speaker 1: and he got in his head about driving to the rim,
Speaker 1: well we'll see. I don't think the season is too
Speaker 1: far gone for aj Storre to ever contribute because I
Speaker 1: saw Remy Martin, who was albeit a much better player
Speaker 1: than aj store go through a season of crap and
Speaker 1: still came out off the bench to be a star
Speaker 1: in the NCAA Tournament. Aj Store has the ability to
Speaker 1: do it, but he's gonna have to show something because
Speaker 1: he's not showing anything in his four minutes that would
Speaker 1: make Bill Sell say yes, more of that. He's also
Speaker 1: starting to lose a lot of the fans on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I was banging the gong as hard as anybody's saying self,
Speaker 1: it's on self. He's got to play more. After this
Speaker 1: type of performance. I'm sitting there wondering how in the
Speaker 1: world anyone on Twitter could say, I need to see
Speaker 1: more of this guy. It hasn't worked. Forty four percent
Speaker 1: from the floor for Kansas, thirty percent from three They
Speaker 1: were a perfect thirteen for thirteen at the line. That
Speaker 1: definitely deserves some praise. Finally, Kansas, they'll self recruit himself
Speaker 1: some free throw shooters and it's on display. And they
Speaker 1: were plus ten at the glass on the glass after
Speaker 1: being like minus six in the first half. Really good
Speaker 1: second half, really good performance overall. You'll take it. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna learn a lot about them this weekend, Right,
Speaker 1: that's your attitude. I'm happy, but I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: doubt that they were gonna play well against Arizona State.
Speaker 1: Now come the test, right, that's your attitude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would fully echo that. Good win
Speaker 2: for sure, great winn aast u CF good win here
Speaker 2: against Arizona State. Now go play a desperate Cincinnati team
Speaker 2: on the road who still has talent. And then you'll
Speaker 2: play one of the best teams in the country and
Speaker 2: the best team in the conference in Iowa State, in
Speaker 2: a building where you've historically struggled. And if if you
Speaker 2: get a couple wins there, then let's let's let's fire
Speaker 2: up the final four horns and sirens and let's have
Speaker 2: a party until then. Yeah, I gotta see it, got
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 1: Bay Big twelve games. Here we go again with eight
Speaker 1: Big twelve games. I guess we already did a long
Speaker 1: recap about one of them. Starting with the best team
Speaker 1: in the conference, number three Iowa State eighty two, Utah
Speaker 1: fifty nine. We knew it would be a blowout. Iowa
Speaker 1: State covered anyway. Game was kind of close for a
Speaker 1: little bit, but Iowa State put their foot on their
Speaker 1: throat quickly. Taman Lipsey twenty points, Curtis Jones another twenty
Speaker 1: three off the bench. The Cyclones are three and oh tough,
Speaker 1: little trap game for them this weekend, they go to
Speaker 1: Lubbock to play Texas Tech ahead of a colossal showdown
Speaker 1: with Kansas. If they get through the next two games
Speaker 1: and they're five and oh, I think you have to
Speaker 1: say they are undoubtedly the favorite in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: Would agree, Yeah, that's going to be a very interesting
Speaker 2: one at the Red Raiders this weekend.
Speaker 1: Number twelve Houston sixty five, TCU forty six. Good lord,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why we need TCU in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: Do you know what they do here?
Speaker 2: Do we need them less than? Like BYU?
Speaker 1: Do away with half these teams? If we're being honest,
Speaker 1: we could go back to the Big eight and keep
Speaker 1: you know, get rid of UCF and Cincinnati and basically
Speaker 1: get rid of all Brett your Mark's progress, right, I.
Speaker 2: Would probably vote for that. Yeah, if given that, because.
Speaker 1: Just TCU is just awful. TCU has never played a
Speaker 1: good basketball game. I believe that's the case, right and
Speaker 1: hit the history books show that they've never played a
Speaker 1: good basketball game.
Speaker 2: It's very few, much less than everyone else. It feels
Speaker 2: Cam bet on this game and it was a push.
Speaker 2: Should he call the number? I think yeah, I think
Speaker 2: he should have called the number five years ago.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Cam, here is Cam's random fact of the
Speaker 1: day that he sent us to read on the air.
Speaker 1: He says, Andian condors terrify me because they can fly
Speaker 1: up to one hundred and twenty five miles an hour.
Speaker 1: I'm not fact checking this. This is just straight from
Speaker 1: the inbox, which is Cam doesn't always say truthful things here,
Speaker 1: so we're rolling the dice. And he also says their
Speaker 1: wingspan is longer than kJ Adams by three feet, which
Speaker 1: Kj's got a big wingspan. So these sounds like Bill
Speaker 1: needs to recruit him some of these birds to go
Speaker 1: out there at allen Field. I'm picturing the scene in
Speaker 1: Jurassic Wildness.
Speaker 2: What what I'm dogging the I'm googling Andy and Condor.
Speaker 2: They're really large, upsettingly large.
Speaker 1: Wow, Oh my gosh, they're real. I was picturing like
Speaker 1: they're not extinct either, they're alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so big.
Speaker 1: They look like they look like turkeys on their heads,
Speaker 1: and they their wingspan is just colossal. He wasn't kidding.
Speaker 2: No, that's a very big bird. Y. I would not
Speaker 2: want that coming at me in one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: five miles an hour.
Speaker 1: And Andy and Corndor. They are scavengers. They eat remains
Speaker 1: of deer, cow, sheep, and the like, and some would
Speaker 1: say the souls of their victims because they're huge. Uh Cam.
Speaker 1: Most of the things Camp sends in this group chat
Speaker 1: I cannot read Camp. Uh Camp sent another fact had
Speaker 1: an alarm clock that I certainly cannot read on the air,
Speaker 1: but it is really really funny. So yeah, mischief cam
Speaker 1: Cam is spending some time with his girlfriend, who I
Speaker 1: believe lives a couple of states away. That is more
Speaker 1: important than the show. Landon you decided that watching Notre
Speaker 1: Dame beat Penn State was not more important than the show,
Speaker 1: So that's where I rank.
Speaker 2: I didn't decide that.
Speaker 1: Oh is that my fault? Is that me being a
Speaker 1: boss and being laying down the law because we didn't
Speaker 1: want to get done at midnight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna need a one hundred percent raise
Speaker 2: of my current salary.
Speaker 1: I'll do you better. I'll do to two hundred.
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's get through our second and big twelve game.
Speaker 2: TCU needed garbage time to get a twentieth basket as
Speaker 2: compared to their nineteen turnovers. Yet again, folks, it tails
Speaker 2: all this time, Emmanuel sharpled Houston in scoring, but he
Speaker 2: only had fourteen points because again, the game was sixty
Speaker 2: five forty six. This is the fewest number of points
Speaker 2: anyone has scored against Houston since what the last dam
Speaker 2: damn it?
Speaker 1: There's your hint.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember that game. I watched it.
Speaker 1: Kams has also scored forty six points in Houston. I
Speaker 1: believe that Arizona State scored thirteen points against Kansas in
Speaker 1: this game. I believe if Houston had scored thirteen second
Speaker 1: half points, they still would have won that game. I
Speaker 1: think they only needed like seven to beat Kansas in
Speaker 1: the second half. That there were something we were.
Speaker 2: Big, twelve teams that didn't hit sixty. There was two
Speaker 2: that had hit fifty. What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Did you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: This is painful, really really painful?
Speaker 2: And two and a half.
Speaker 1: And but there was never a question when Jerome Tank
Speaker 1: came to town, Oklahoma State was gonna see a hula
Speaker 1: hoop sized basket up here in front of them. Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State seventy nine, Kansas State, Ima, bitches sixty six. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, somebody has to fire Jerome Tang like enough already,
Speaker 1: not it, guys, we don't even like Kansas State, and
Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel bad for them because this is
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a guy who has undone
Speaker 1: progress quicker than anybody thought possible. Jerome Tang's Wildcats have
Speaker 1: now lost eleven, count them, eleven straight road games. They
Speaker 1: were never competitive and still watered despite shooting fifty one percent.
Speaker 1: Hard to do, primarily because as they turned it over
Speaker 1: nineteen times. Turnovers are a thing. You're gonna notice a
Speaker 1: trend among Big twelve losers. This week, Oklahoma State got
Speaker 1: twenty seven points from someone named Abou Osmine in front
Speaker 1: of approximately four hundred fans. They earned their first Big
Speaker 1: twelve win by beating well Jerome tank Gross Baylor sixty eight,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati forty eight. If Kansas doesn't beat Cincinnati, I know
Speaker 1: they're desperate, but forty eight damn points.
Speaker 2: Baylor dropped the Bearcats to zer to three in league
Speaker 2: play heading into Saturday's game with the Jayhawks. Both Nord
Speaker 2: ched Omier and VJ. Edgecomb scored eighteen for the Bears.
Speaker 2: Where are these teams finished in the league. I think
Speaker 2: Baylor top five. I think Cincinnati seven, not seven. Way
Speaker 2: too few teams there, like fifteenth, or sixteenth.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati won't be a bottom two team. They're probably around there.
Speaker 1: They won't you're right, probably around ten or eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The problem is, though, they're racking up losses like that,
Speaker 1: and we saw last year the difference betwe between like
Speaker 1: the third place team and the seventh place team in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve was a single game. When you're losing
Speaker 1: all these coin flips over and over, and I get it,
Speaker 1: their schedule has been tough, but you lose a coin flip,
Speaker 1: but home to Arizona, there's one. You lose a coin
Speaker 1: flip back Kansas State, a team a lot of teams
Speaker 1: are gonna beat this year. That's another one. Like you're
Speaker 1: sliding down the rankings and they're killing they're already pretty
Speaker 1: underwhelming tournament resume, Like they are not an NCAA tournament
Speaker 1: team right now despite a good record, and you only
Speaker 1: get to forty eight against Baylor. Baylor, by the way,
Speaker 1: they're in the top four. I think the best four
Speaker 1: teams in the Big twelve right now are pretty clearly
Speaker 1: in some order, Iowa State, Houston, Kansas and Arizona and Baylor.
Speaker 1: I guess it's five. Those are the best five with
Speaker 1: Texas Tech hovering around that sixth range. There are five
Speaker 1: There are four good teams in the Big twelve, and
Speaker 1: I would put Texas Tech and Baylor in the probably
Speaker 1: pretty good category. Right, that's fair. We have six teams
Speaker 1: that we would say are either anywhere between really good
Speaker 1: and probably good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think that's pretty a pretty
Speaker 2: fair assessment.
Speaker 1: Texas Tech seventy two BYU sixty seven. This is a
Speaker 1: great road win for the Red Raiders. They want and
Speaker 1: probo doing the opposite of Cincinnati. They won a road
Speaker 1: game in a place where not a lot of teams
Speaker 1: will get one. They got six threes from Elijah Hawkins,
Speaker 1: and they put together a second half comeback to win
Speaker 1: in a tough environment. BYU as a team only made
Speaker 1: five threes, They're not gonna beat anybody when they do that.
Speaker 1: Richie Saunders made zero. What do you think happens when
Speaker 1: Kansas comes to town? And why is it? This one zero?
Speaker 1: That's the ball just flying in the basket one after
Speaker 1: the other. There it goes, Oh, Richie's got eight threes
Speaker 1: and we haven't even hit the second TV timeout yet.
Speaker 1: How's that possible? Arizona seventy five, number twenty one, West
Speaker 1: Virginia fifty six. So much for our West Virginia hype.
Speaker 1: This is it falling right off the tracks. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: it just stopped playing, much like Arizona did. I guess,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, might have to replace the West Virginia whatever
Speaker 1: their team name is.
Speaker 2: The Wildcats are a very surprising three and zero after
Speaker 2: what were they six and five or seven and four
Speaker 2: in the non cong.
Speaker 1: They were It was worse than that. I think there
Speaker 1: were four and five. I think this was a team
Speaker 1: with a losing record through the first couple months of play.
Speaker 1: It was shocking.
Speaker 2: They were not good. But they've opened big till play
Speaker 2: really well and they completely controlled The Mountaineers got twenty
Speaker 2: one Benz points from kJ Lewis. Of course, Caleb Love
Speaker 2: was three for ten. He almost refuses, out of sheer
Speaker 2: force of will to shoot a high percentage, just thirty
Speaker 2: six percent from the floor for the Mountaineers. Javon Small
Speaker 2: did not make a fade away with guy right in
Speaker 2: his face from behind the basket to ice this one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, wells Virginia gets ranked, they're probably gonna drop
Speaker 2: out immediately. In Arizona, Arizona might actually be the good
Speaker 2: team we thought they were going to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have a lot of talent and Tommy Lloyd's
Speaker 1: a good coach. We figured that team would eventually rise
Speaker 1: to the top, or at least the top ish of
Speaker 1: Big twelve play. They look really good. We'll see if
Speaker 1: they're I don't think they're consistent enough to avoid a
Speaker 1: four out of five loll. That's absolutely coming at some point.
Speaker 1: But they are starting to come back to the surface
Speaker 1: a little bit after a pretty unlucky non con start.
Speaker 1: UCF seventy five, Colorado seventy four. So Landon if the
Speaker 1: transitive property if Kansas is fifty one points better than UCF,
Speaker 1: I think that means they're fifty two points better than
Speaker 1: the Buffalos, who are zero and three. They shot fifty
Speaker 1: two percent to just thirty nine percent for UCF. They
Speaker 1: also made fifty four percent of their threes, and they
Speaker 1: were plus five on the glass. But oh, whenever you
Speaker 1: ask yourself how did they lose? You forgot that team
Speaker 1: plays in the Big twelve, so they must have had
Speaker 1: a lot of turnovers, twenty two of them. That's gross
Speaker 1: twenty two points from Jordan Ivy Curry and it was
Speaker 1: Keyshawn Hall blocking a shot in the final two seconds
Speaker 1: that preserved a victory for UCF, who is hilariously two
Speaker 1: and one in conference play with a fifty what are
Speaker 1: they like minus forty six in three games and they're
Speaker 1: two and one something? Yeah, I think so amazing, just amazing.
Speaker 1: In the big twelve standings, we're starting to see a
Speaker 1: little bit. We'll see what we're at through about six games.
Speaker 1: But the top three teams are all pretty good. Houston,
Speaker 1: Iowa State, and Arizona. They're the only three out of
Speaker 1: sixteen to make it through the first three games at
Speaker 1: three and zero.
Speaker 2: I think four of the five tied for fourth place
Speaker 2: teams makes mostly sense KU, West, Virginia, Baylor, Texas Tech,
Speaker 2: and UCF at two and one.
Speaker 1: And then we're starting to get into mediocreville here Kansas State, BYU,
Speaker 1: Arizona State, TCU, and Oklahoma State. I think that Kansas
Speaker 1: State might actually be like one of the three best
Speaker 1: teams in that set of five, which is truly impossible.
Speaker 1: They're one and two.
Speaker 2: I think, so tied for fourteenth is Colorado, Utah and Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: I think Cincinnati will I think you are right, Cincinnati
Speaker 2: will not finish. I don't think in the in the
Speaker 2: true bottom here, Colorado and Utah are gonna have a
Speaker 2: tough go of things.
Speaker 1: I thought Colorado was better than this, maybe just because
Speaker 1: they're they've produced pros before, they have a pretty respectable coach.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they're this bad. Okay, if you had to
Speaker 1: bet right now, how many Big twelve teams finish lower
Speaker 1: than Kansas State? Uh? Because like theoretically, Kansas State has
Speaker 1: a as an upper half of the Big twelve home
Speaker 1: court advantage usually that usually helped them get a couple
Speaker 1: extra wins for sure, a game like Cincinnati. I don't
Speaker 1: think Colorado or Utah's home court advantage is beating Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's like four. I think it's Colorado,
Speaker 2: Utah and like two of the two well UCF probably,
Speaker 2: and then I.
Speaker 1: Think finish yeah, like yeah, Kansas State though it maybe
Speaker 1: five because I think BYU sucks. Why did Camp? But again,
Speaker 1: the home court advantage that they should get a couple
Speaker 1: of games there, I guess it's a better it's a
Speaker 1: harder place to play. Why did cam bet twice on
Speaker 1: Kansas State winning a road game when they are seven
Speaker 1: and seven? They're not just like a tough luck Arizona
Speaker 1: record team. They are just flat out awful there. They
Speaker 1: are complete and utter and they shouldn't be because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of money on that roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agreed with him the first time, foolishly, and
Speaker 2: this one I didn't get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was painful. There's lots of pain
Speaker 1: in other games, mainly from SEC teams. Chaos was everywhere
Speaker 1: and the it just means more conference this week beginning
Speaker 1: with one of the worst performances for a number one
Speaker 1: team in the history of college basketball. Number eight Florida
Speaker 1: absolutely ran over Like this Tennessee picture of the old
Speaker 1: lady that lives down the street from you that's backed
Speaker 1: over her garbage can one hundred times. That's what they
Speaker 1: did to Number one Tennessee this week in Gainesville, seventy
Speaker 1: three to forty three on a night where the balls made.
Speaker 1: This is this is a real stat. Twelve baskets in
Speaker 1: forty minutes. If you're wondering. The worst basketball game ever
Speaker 1: was Kansas and TCU in February twenty thirteen, the one
Speaker 1: that Kansas lost. In that game, the Jayhawks and they're
Speaker 1: fifty five points. They still managed despite their suckiness to
Speaker 1: score eighteen baskets and seek it's twelve in forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Just impossible. At one point, the walls were impossible, an
Speaker 1: incredible and unfathomable one four twenty five from three. And
Speaker 1: this is the number one team in the country Sea Land.
Speaker 1: And it's because of the way the ap poll works.
Speaker 1: You cannot move the clearly or clearly superior Auburn Iowa
Speaker 1: State duke teams. You can't move them in front of
Speaker 1: Tennessee because by law, the balls haven't lost one yet,
Speaker 1: so we can't do it.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's truebelieve. To bring it back to the
Speaker 2: most relevant piece of that, you mentioned someone backing over
Speaker 2: their trash can. Did you know that that is what
Speaker 2: happened the first time I tried to drive anywhere on
Speaker 2: my own, when I was like sixteen.
Speaker 1: I think that you told me this. Your mom was
Speaker 1: in the const of you. You hit the.
Speaker 2: Trash can, and she was waiting. She watched, she was
Speaker 2: watching me drive away from the door, and I backed
Speaker 2: into the trash can, and she made me pull back in,
Speaker 2: and she drove me to Culver.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I assume that then the ride
Speaker 1: did not continue. She did not say, you know what
Speaker 1: AJ store fields. That's okay, just get back out there
Speaker 1: and play a few more minutes, because you you know
Speaker 1: there's the trash Canothy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did the villa off because you noted well.
Speaker 2: But I did start my career as a J store
Speaker 2: that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, Landman's a fine driver. You've been pulled over for
Speaker 1: driving in the left lane too slow, which you know
Speaker 1: that's something just at.
Speaker 2: All, not too even too slow, just just being there
Speaker 2: for too long.
Speaker 1: I legitimately didn't know you could get a ticket for that,
Speaker 1: being in the left lane too long. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that was a ticket.
Speaker 2: It was only a warning, but it was still absurd.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, because you can't write a ticket for that.
Speaker 1: Every judge in the country would rip that in half
Speaker 1: if it actually got charged as a ticket. Good Lord, that's.
Speaker 2: So also bad. Week four number six, Kentucky, who lost
Speaker 2: at Georgia eighty two sixty nine, could call Ryan in
Speaker 2: the midst of the Bulldogs best starting quite a while,
Speaker 2: even with Anthony Edwards didn't quite do this. Mark Pope
Speaker 2: has done a good job with the Wildcats. But Ryan,
Speaker 2: you say that he's getting on your nerves for how
Speaker 2: he handles end of game scenarios in blowouts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one of those. We're down thirteen with forty
Speaker 1: seconds left, so I'm gonna call time out after we
Speaker 1: make a shot and try to drop a play. I
Speaker 1: got my clipboard up there. I'm really acting like I'm
Speaker 1: Drexon and oh in my way. Yeah, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: just take your alt's over at that point, you're not
Speaker 1: coming back from thirteen down with forty seconds left. But
Speaker 1: oh my am I glad the dial landed on me
Speaker 1: for this one land And because let's talk about frauds,
Speaker 1: Porter Moser. You know, if you go down the street
Speaker 1: and you ask your neighbor, the same one that ran
Speaker 1: over the trash can not landing the old lady, and
Speaker 1: you ask your let me see your nineteen eighty two
Speaker 1: World Book that you refuse to throw away, and you
Speaker 1: open the dictionary that comes with that set, and you
Speaker 1: go to the f section and then the f RS
Speaker 1: and you look up frauds. They're in that under that
Speaker 1: partion that says frauds. Is a picture of Porter Moser
Speaker 1: in his Oklahoma pullover. Because oh my gosh, I'm so
Speaker 1: tired of watching this pace all over the place. Clown
Speaker 1: coach his team to on the wrong side of the
Speaker 1: bubble status. Fresh off a huge loss at Alabama, Number
Speaker 1: seventeen Oklahoma eternally thirteen two slash zero to two in
Speaker 1: league play eternal Parter Moser record, Oklahoma gets a huge break.
Speaker 1: They draw number ten Texas A and M on a
Speaker 1: night where Wade Taylor, best player arguably in the whole SEC,
Speaker 1: is out due to an injury. So Oklahoma boat races
Speaker 1: them in the first half. They have a fifteen point
Speaker 1: second half lead, they get an insane thirty four points
Speaker 1: and nine threes are a season and a half worth
Speaker 1: for aj Storesworth for a guy named Bryson Goodeine, he
Speaker 1: has nine threes in the game. Surely that's enough for
Speaker 1: a win against a shorthanded team, except it wasn't because
Speaker 1: the Sooners were outscored twenty one to eight in the
Speaker 1: final eight minutes. Zurich Phelps scored thirty four for the Aggies,
Speaker 1: and Porter's so fraudulent the fraud alert sign is blinding
Speaker 1: for Miles and Miles in the rearview mirror, Oklahoma team
Speaker 1: lost eighty to seventy eight to become zero and two
Speaker 1: in SEC play. They are awful this team is not
Speaker 1: a tournament team.
Speaker 2: To be fair, there's not much else on the horizon
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, so that fraud alert sign does get a
Speaker 2: lot of play.
Speaker 1: Good line, good line. See, we can make that joke
Speaker 1: because we're from Kansas, where everything is very so much
Speaker 1: lore to see right, it's just slightly brown or dirt
Speaker 1: here in Kansas and mar snow right now.
Speaker 2: Slightly larger cities.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's not a tournament team. They're not. I don't They're
Speaker 1: not a tournament hope. This is They're the same team
Speaker 1: they always are. They're gonna go like seven and fourteen
Speaker 1: in SEC play.
Speaker 2: The only game that went about is predicted, was number
Speaker 2: two Auburn taking care of their business by beating a
Speaker 2: not very good Texas team in Austin eighty seven eighty two.
Speaker 2: Although that's score line not the most impressive for Auburn.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was like seventy four to
Speaker 1: fifty eight, and you know how that goes. You've seen
Speaker 1: You've seen enough of those games to blow covers and whatnot.
Speaker 1: The early favorite in the Big Ten is probably number
Speaker 1: twenty four Michigan, who rolled number twenty two Ucla on
Speaker 1: the road ninety four to seventy five in a game
Speaker 1: that Mick Cronin left him complaining about how his guys
Speaker 1: aren't superro In didn't know that he coaches eleven aj stores.
Speaker 1: The Wolverines are four and oh and look like the
Speaker 1: favorite and the impossible to keep track of who is
Speaker 1: and who isn't in the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: That's what I say, although note were the games in
Speaker 2: the conference, including r fifteen Oregon eking out a win
Speaker 2: past Oalhouse State on the road seventy three seventy one
Speaker 2: to get revenge for the football game. Although my guess
Speaker 2: is that Oregon basketball fans are not as passionate as organ.
Speaker 1: Football totally pulls it even now, even scoreboard one to one.
Speaker 2: Number twenty Perudue winning at Rutgers for their fourth straight win,
Speaker 2: and we're sixteen Michigan State beating the breaks off Washington
Speaker 2: at home. I do fear that Tom Mizzo has a
Speaker 2: good squad. He does, he'll also lose in the round
Speaker 2: of sixteen to a team that's seeded higher than his
Speaker 2: every single time.
Speaker 1: Washington. By the way, last week we picked Washington to
Speaker 1: beat Illinois, like, oh, they're at home, let's not do
Speaker 1: that anymore. Washington is awful. Washington is just terrible and okay,
Speaker 1: so I actually forgot to put a note in here.
Speaker 1: Number four. Duke was up fifty six to forty seven
Speaker 1: against Pitt's with eight minutes left, and then all they
Speaker 1: did was keep the Panthers off the scoreboard the rest
Speaker 1: of the night. The final score seventy six to forty seven.
Speaker 1: That is a twenty zero run in the game. Cooper
Speaker 1: Flag had a great dunk. That's great, That's everything. But
Speaker 1: Landon I want to talk about quickly, and some ascarcbs
Speaker 1: may have to be sacrificed for this, but I'm prepared
Speaker 1: to do it. I want to talk about de Paul
Speaker 1: because DePaul basketball where cam lives. I looked up some
Speaker 1: stats about De Paul and we know they've been awful,
Speaker 1: but somehow they were even worse than I thought. Why
Speaker 1: are they so bad?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. This doesn't make any sense to me
Speaker 2: because I feel like every time I like moderately check recruiting,
Speaker 2: which is, to be fair, a little less than less
Speaker 2: these days, I feel like DePaul always pulls a few guys,
Speaker 2: like a couple that are good. They're also in Chicago,
Speaker 2: a notoriously like great basketball city, like theatically you'd get
Speaker 2: guys that accidentally commit to you in Chicago, right, like
Speaker 2: they just you think you just for just being a
Speaker 2: power conference team that you would like fluke your way
Speaker 2: into tricking the committee into putting you in off like
Speaker 2: a nineteen win season. Once they just can't get there.
Speaker 2: It's really it's astonishing to me, and I think it's
Speaker 2: very funny.
Speaker 1: Well so horrible, awful, lousy de Paul. They get a
Speaker 1: draw against five and nine Seaton Hall. They led them
Speaker 1: by nineteen game. You don't say, especially when you're up
Speaker 1: nineteen and they wound up losing. They have not won
Speaker 1: a conference game since January twenty twenty three, when Jalen
Speaker 1: Wilson was willing Kansas to victories or being iced by
Speaker 1: his coach. DePaul is three and forty five in their
Speaker 1: last forty eight Big East games. And it's not like
Speaker 1: the Big East is just loaded with juggernauts either. It's
Speaker 1: three and forty five. I'm convinced that I could coach
Speaker 1: a team three wins and forty eight chances with Chicago recruits.
Speaker 2: You think you think you can get to four wins,
Speaker 2: but it's apparently it's a lot harder than the.
Speaker 1: Looks truly impossible ranked teams to lose in to the
Speaker 1: last show, we begin at the top. Number one Tennessee
Speaker 1: got just obliterated a time and a half to Florida.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I was I was reading tweets about Notre
Speaker 2: Dame going to the national title. On Number six Kentucky
Speaker 2: they lost to Georgia.
Speaker 1: Number nine Yukon got upset at Villa Nova as to
Speaker 1: cut into an ascarcb here at show me, Hawk says,
Speaker 1: I wonder who Yukon just lost to. Certainly a team
Speaker 1: that would be a great matchup for Kansas. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: you know what, Here you go.
Speaker 2: Here comes the two seat.
Speaker 1: Big for Kansas. I love that matchup. Good Lord, good Lord.
Speaker 2: Number seventeen Oklahoma they lost Texas, A and M.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna be on this list eternally because one
Speaker 1: more time they are Yeah, I guess they get rid
Speaker 1: of them entirely. Number twenty one West of Virginia. Speaking
Speaker 1: of teams that are about to disappear from this, Liz
Speaker 1: lost to the Fighting Caleb.
Speaker 2: Loves and Number twenty two Ucla they lost to Michigan.
Speaker 1: Good week for Lanta and pick him he climbed back
Speaker 1: a little bit. Cam was eight and seven, Lanta was
Speaker 1: twelve and three. That's gaining four games in one half week.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Landon, You're you're the gun that's being
Speaker 1: held to your temple for your punishment. Here it it
Speaker 1: got a little further away. It's not like four inches
Speaker 1: from your temple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like yeah, whoever was holding that gun started considering
Speaker 2: Cam as an option, Like a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm just separating here at this point, like I think
Speaker 1: I'm what, I'm a solid ten plus games ahead now.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's about ten whatever. It's gonna take
Speaker 1: a colossal choke a Kansas would be Michigan choke for
Speaker 1: me to wind up in that spot. But hey, you know,
Speaker 1: you never.
Speaker 2: Know, Hey, you don't. You don't have to. You don't
Speaker 2: have to outrun the bear. You just gotta outrun the
Speaker 2: guy who can outrun the bear.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, all right, We're gonna machine gun
Speaker 1: fire through these ascarcbs just simply because we got to
Speaker 1: get to a preview and this show is late. I'm
Speaker 1: we're not doing kJ Adams questions, we're not doing rotation
Speaker 1: questions just because we've done it. So many times. A
Speaker 1: couple questions about AJ Store at Mayo Zeke Berner, have
Speaker 1: you given up on AJ store yet? At DS conscious,
Speaker 1: what are the chances AJ stores next? Nil? Our check bounces?
Speaker 1: And then definitely a little bit about his effort at
Speaker 1: Preston's cursik as someone who cares and is deeply invested,
Speaker 1: how do we get AJ to care and be deeply invested?
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on all the AJ store stuff that we
Speaker 1: didn't already say.
Speaker 2: Uh, I kind of have given up on them a
Speaker 2: little bit. The cares an invested thing is a really
Speaker 2: hard one. So that's just such a personal thing, like
Speaker 2: that's between him and Bill and I don't I don't
Speaker 2: really know. I think it's probably very hard when you
Speaker 2: know you're not playing well and you did come in
Speaker 2: as one of the most highly not just highly touted
Speaker 2: recruits on the team, but like one of the more
Speaker 2: highly touted recruits in the country, and you're having this
Speaker 2: season at a prestigious program. That has to be frustrating.
Speaker 2: I sympathize with him from that perspective, like, that's tough
Speaker 2: to know what's happening to you in real time. Probably
Speaker 2: I don't know, And he Twitter.
Speaker 1: He sees the Twitter backlash. He can see that just
Speaker 1: as easy as anybody else can. Like that. That sucks.
Speaker 1: And people that are trashing players on social media, you're
Speaker 1: not helping anything. I don't always tweet positive things about everything,
Speaker 1: but I'd like to think that rock Chock blog doesn't
Speaker 1: just dog on players like I've seen some people do
Speaker 1: out there where they openly wish for people to leave
Speaker 1: the team and they say players suck and they say
Speaker 1: players just are losers. And it's like, no, I think
Speaker 1: AJ's effort is just fine. It's just not working. The
Speaker 1: fits not working. It still good, but nothing no criticism
Speaker 1: with him as a person or his effort or his
Speaker 1: hustle at all. He just isn't putting up basketball stats
Speaker 1: like we thought he would. It's simple as that. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. Yep, yep, be disappointed, but don't be personal.
Speaker 1: At show Mehawk says, do you think Kansas should start
Speaker 1: scheduling road games and the non con against mid majors
Speaker 1: like when Alabama played at North Dakota? Adds Kansas inside
Speaker 1: the Swinny Rec Center, which for those of you who
Speaker 1: don't know, is umk c's home arena, would be super cool.
Speaker 1: I'm down for that, especially because this team has been
Speaker 1: just so kick as on the road the last couple
Speaker 1: of years.
Speaker 2: I think it'd be fun. I was I was in
Speaker 2: the Swinny Rec Center earlier this year, and I was
Speaker 2: wondering what it would be like if Kansas ever came there.
Speaker 2: I don't think they'd ever do it, but it'd be
Speaker 2: fund I'd be super down for games like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're clearly not afraid to schedule anybody, so
Speaker 1: you may as well. Like I'm glad that they've gotten
Speaker 1: rid of the Sprint Center game that was that was
Speaker 1: kind of a dud. Like, you know, at least they're
Speaker 1: always looking to tweak the schedule a little bit. We'll
Speaker 1: see what the tournaments going forth looked like, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't help that they took away to non conference games.
Speaker 1: The schedule so big now for Big twelve play that
Speaker 1: they got to play twenty league games. You only get
Speaker 1: eleven spots in your non con. Then you play a
Speaker 1: non con tournament, you're only down to eight, and then
Speaker 1: you want four or five cupcakes and you only got
Speaker 1: three left. Like it goes. Your spots go really fast.
Speaker 1: At cam Lipole Golf says, will Hubert Davis be a
Speaker 1: mall Easter Bunny or a mall Santa next? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: did North Carolina basketball lose again? Did they freaking lose again?
Speaker 1: North Carolina lost?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I don't know what Cam's talking about. They haven't played yet.
Speaker 1: They've actually won two games in a row. They play,
Speaker 1: they play at North Carolina State on Saturday. Surely that
Speaker 1: won't go wrong.
Speaker 2: If I had to bet, the mall Easter Bunny would
Speaker 2: be really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be uh. And you know the mal
Speaker 1: Santa thing, depending on the part of the country goes
Speaker 1: to I, I would fear for his Uh. I would
Speaker 1: fear for some bits of how that would be handled.
Speaker 2: Why is that, Ryan, I don't understand. I need you
Speaker 2: to explain why to me.
Speaker 1: Well, it's because he's bald, and Santa Claus isn't baald.
Speaker 2: Oh hell right, right? Yeah obviously, Well, I mean's quite
Speaker 2: the hat would go a long way in that regard.
Speaker 2: But I get you.
Speaker 1: But he's also tall, and I don't know he's skinny.
Speaker 1: You know, Santa's not a skinny guy.
Speaker 2: Santa doesn't wear glasses either, So.
Speaker 1: That's that's right. Yeahtary, No, there you go, he done
Speaker 1: more of those glasses. At m HKU thirty two. Kansas
Speaker 1: currently sitting at eleven to one to win the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve and twenty five to one to win the National
Speaker 1: Title or either of those odds, enticing no, those never work.
Speaker 1: I hate national title or Super Bowl champion futures bets,
Speaker 1: but eleven to one to win the Big Twelve. I
Speaker 1: think if they play this season out eleven times, they
Speaker 1: win the Big Twelve at least.
Speaker 2: Twice, I would think so, Hell yeah, I would think.
Speaker 1: So maybe that one do they have to win it? Outright?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Because if I don't know how that works, Like, if
Speaker 1: they tie, is that count I would assume No, I'd
Speaker 1: assume it's whoever's the one seed in the Big twelve
Speaker 1: tournament is the tiebreaker at Preston Skirsick and at the
Speaker 1: Wheelwheel two. Close this out here, just because we're short
Speaker 1: on time, with a couple of questions about Shack Moore
Speaker 1: says in terms of pure basketball ability, has Shack Moore
Speaker 1: established himself as a top five player on the team,
Speaker 1: and also after seeing the Floory block Donkeans UCF and
Speaker 1: then the steals by shit against Arizona State, what are
Speaker 1: some of the moments that have popped so far this season.
Speaker 1: Shack Moore is probably not, in terms of just ability,
Speaker 1: a top five player on the team, but he might
Speaker 1: be a top five fit for what this team wants
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not top five on for ability. I mean he
Speaker 2: is skyrocketed up in the last couple of games. I
Speaker 2: mean he definitely, you know, he's had a couple of
Speaker 2: skials in the last couple of games. He did knock
Speaker 2: down a couple threes. His hustle and finishing is pretty
Speaker 2: nice as well. Yeah, I definitely there's been a lot
Speaker 2: of moments or several moments that have popped in just
Speaker 2: a couple of games, which is impressive. But now I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say he's top five ability, but I think you
Speaker 2: are onto something that if this team does become a
Speaker 2: lockdown defensive team, or at least that's what they hang
Speaker 2: their hat on, then Shaq Moore is a very very
Speaker 2: important piece to that because they.
Speaker 1: Got a long way to go their fourth and Ken
Speaker 1: Pom defense right now. Obviously, there's there's plenty of games
Speaker 1: left and they're gonna play much tougher opponents too. But
Speaker 1: Kansas has finished as a top five defensive team under
Speaker 1: Bill Self on Ken Pump twenty sixteen, where they were
Speaker 1: a stones throw away from the final four against the
Speaker 1: team that I don't know. I'm not gonna tell you
Speaker 1: it was, but I just played to drop a few
Speaker 1: minutes ago about it. Team was very good, and that
Speaker 1: was a team that was kind of for a while
Speaker 1: and then just blasted off when they found their group.
Speaker 1: And twenty twenty a team that was eh for a
Speaker 1: while and then took off when they found that identity.
Speaker 1: Like top five defense, Bill self, teams are really really good.
Speaker 1: He can win with those teams. Might not be super pretty,
Speaker 1: but they can win with those teams. And as for
Speaker 1: the plays that have popped this year, the honestly the
Speaker 1: scene from this season thus far for me until the
Speaker 1: last week was Hunter Dickinson kicking the duke guy in
Speaker 1: the head. Like that was the scene that I thought
Speaker 1: of first. I'm trying to think of just iconic moments
Speaker 1: from this season. Yeah, just those two, I think, right,
Speaker 1: Shackmore's steeling dunk and Flori's Coast to coast stealing.
Speaker 2: Slam Hunters and one one hand dunk from the past
Speaker 2: games pretty high on that list. I would say the.
Speaker 1: Game had a game tying and one that it just
Speaker 1: got about quickly because they lost.
Speaker 2: I think there has to be something from the North
Speaker 2: Carolina game because that was a pretty epic game, but
Speaker 2: I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: Oh. Then the Duke game probably had a couple of
Speaker 1: plays down the stretch, but that was just more stops.
Speaker 1: They had good defensive possessions. At the end of those
Speaker 1: two games. Hunter are also eight Michigan State alive for
Speaker 1: like a half and then they just coasted from there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we'll get them. They're gonna have some some
Speaker 1: games where that those opportunities will certainly be on table.
Speaker 1: If you ever have ascarcps Twitter hashtag, you know the
Speaker 1: drill drop, Come on, come on, go there we go Bay.
Speaker 1: All right, now we preview a game, and I think
Speaker 1: you could argue this is the most important game of
Speaker 1: the season thus far for the Kansas basketball Jayhawks. And
Speaker 1: it's certainly not going to get that vibe from reading
Speaker 1: the matchup on paper, but we'll talk about it. Number
Speaker 1: eleven Kansas at Cincinnati on Saturday, one one to one
Speaker 1: at one pm on ESPN plus. Yay everybody's favorite. What
Speaker 1: is that three ESPN plus games out of four this year.
Speaker 1: Good Lord H.
Speaker 2: Wes Miller's since Addie. Bearcatz entered the season as a
Speaker 2: top twenty five team that returned most pieces from a
Speaker 2: team that got better throughout the year last season. They
Speaker 2: started this year ten and one, with an aarrow lost
Speaker 2: to Villanova being their only non con blemish. But they
Speaker 2: are zero to three and Big Twelve play after playing
Speaker 2: kase State, Arizona, and Baylor to start their league schedule.
Speaker 2: Arizona and Baylor those are respectable. Losing to ky State
Speaker 2: at home not as much, I don't think, but nonetheless,
Speaker 2: the Bearcat's not dead, but a bad start to conference
Speaker 2: play for sure.
Speaker 1: Pretty brutal when you're fir. I know we laugh about
Speaker 1: ky State, but their first four conference games are at Bramldge,
Speaker 1: Arizona at home, at Baylor, and Kansas Like that is.
Speaker 2: Shit, Bramlage, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: That is true, But I mean that if at Kansas State,
Speaker 1: who's five hundred, I get it, they're not very good.
Speaker 1: But if at Kansas State in Bramledge is your easiest
Speaker 1: game of four, that's a brutal stretch. All League caliber
Speaker 1: guard Dan Skillings Junior is their best player, averaging thirteen
Speaker 1: points in four rebounds. He's a very good thirty eight
Speaker 1: percent three point shooter. His point guard is Edger and
Speaker 1: James's son, Jisel James, a plus name. I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: not his real name, but we'll roll with it, who
Speaker 1: adds eleven points and five assists. He is a sub
Speaker 1: thirty percent shooter from deep, so not as much of
Speaker 1: a threat, which means he's going three for four of
Speaker 1: this game. The three man is White Guy of the
Speaker 1: Game candidate six foot eight Samas Lakotias, who averages thirteen
Speaker 1: and three and he shoots EIGHTEAM best forty percent from three.
Speaker 1: Excellent basketball player. He is fees size and shoots accurately.
Speaker 1: Dane Thomas and Connor Hickman are the reserve guards of note.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys shoot pretty well and they're
Speaker 1: all decent athletes.
Speaker 2: And in the front court they have some size in
Speaker 2: length as well. They pair former Texas for Dylan Mitchell
Speaker 2: with seven foot center Aziz Bendago. They combined to average
Speaker 2: twenty Senegal that makes a lot of sense with that name,
Speaker 2: to average twenty points and thirteen rebands while both shooting
Speaker 2: almost seventy percent from the floor. Both try contact well,
Speaker 2: but either shoot well from the line considering their size,
Speaker 2: they're both very good at avoiding fouling as well. Aaronton
Speaker 2: Page and Tyler Betsy also get minutes. Arrington Page and
Speaker 2: Tyler Betsy, like you were joking about on the last show, Ryn,
Speaker 2: do sound like names that you just like thought of
Speaker 2: or put in the like Madden simulator and then just typed.
Speaker 2: Those could be real people or not. But nonetheless, Cincinnati
Speaker 2: does have some size and that has quelled Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 2: in the past.
Speaker 1: I was positive that Tyler Betsy would be a white
Speaker 1: guy with that name, especially with Betsey, but he is not,
Speaker 1: so that gives Kansas a little bit of hope. I
Speaker 1: guess the Bearcat. So here's my scouting report. I'm not
Speaker 1: very good at scouting reports and non con because we're
Speaker 1: so early in the season. Cincinnati was the first team
Speaker 1: that I felt pretty good about writing a scouting report
Speaker 1: for because we saw basically this team play twice against
Speaker 1: Kansas last year. We saw their numbers last year and
Speaker 1: they are similar. They're a very good defensive team. Last
Speaker 1: year Cincinnati team was one of the best rebounding teams
Speaker 1: in college basketball. They're not as good at that this year,
Speaker 1: but they're even better on the defensive end. They keep
Speaker 1: opponents off the glass as well as anyone in the country.
Speaker 1: Their three point defense has been top ten nationally. Good.
Speaker 1: They're a very good shot blocking team, and they play good,
Speaker 1: not great, but good inside offense. Their slow pace and
Speaker 1: experience keep turnovers and fouls as low as a conference's
Speaker 1: best clip. But the weaknesses they're a mediocre thirty four
Speaker 1: percent three point shooting team. Good, they're okay, not great.
Speaker 1: Their biggest weaknesses are all associated with the free throw line.
Speaker 1: They average ten megs fifteen attempts and just sixty three
Speaker 1: percent as a team. Those are all bottom fifteen national numbers.
Speaker 1: So they're pretty good on the on the offensive effort,
Speaker 1: and they're really good on defense. But the explains right there.
Speaker 1: While they're losing close games, they're not getting the line,
Speaker 1: and when they get there, they're not making free throws.
Speaker 2: All time. Kansas is four and five against Cincinnati, but
Speaker 2: they've only played three games since nineteen sixty seven, and
Speaker 2: two of them were last year. This is their first
Speaker 2: matchup in Cincinnati since the sixties. It's worth noting that
Speaker 2: the worst performance in Kansas basketball history, as something we
Speaker 2: have discussed much on this show, came last March FIRSTUS
Speaker 2: Cincinnati in the second round of the Big Twelve Tournament.
Speaker 2: Jayhawks lost seventy two to fifty two to the Bearcats
Speaker 2: in a game where if you take Kids Adams twenty
Speaker 2: two points away, the team had thirty points. Other than that,
Speaker 2: twelve of forty eight shooting and three of twenty from three.
Speaker 2: Nick Timberlake, Johnny Furfey, and Almarco Jackson combined to go
Speaker 2: five of twenty eight. I do anticipate a better outing
Speaker 2: from the Jayhawks than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill self said, Alamarco Jackson is going to be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent by March. He obviously isn't gonna play,
Speaker 1: he's not up to game speed, but he'll be one
Speaker 1: hundred percent healed. And everybody on Twitter was like, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see al Marco next year, and that
Speaker 1: made me realize, Uh, I better enjoy these last twenty
Speaker 1: games because I am not really looking forward to el
Speaker 1: Marco Jackson bouncing the ball off his foot as Darren
Speaker 1: Peterson is screaming, please pass me the big orange ball.
Speaker 1: I want to go score with it, and al Marco's
Speaker 1: just like, but what if I drip up between my
Speaker 1: legs for fifteen seconds and then turn it over? Not
Speaker 1: looking forward to that, But in this game, I think
Speaker 1: this is the toughest position of the season, the toughest
Speaker 1: prediction of the season.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I get the suspicion that we are gonna do the
Speaker 1: opposite of what we normally do.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that means you are gonna predict a Kansas
Speaker 2: loss and I'm gonna predict the Kansas win.
Speaker 1: I get that. I get that vibe. Is that the
Speaker 1: vibe you get?
Speaker 2: I was leaning that way?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go first. Then I am going to pick
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to win this game, and I think it is
Speaker 1: is razor thing. This is a fifty to fifty game,
Speaker 1: and ultimately, if Kansas goes up there and lose, as
Speaker 1: we've said before, just don't get trounced. If they go
Speaker 1: up there and lose seventy four to seventy one, and
Speaker 1: a game where you can say you know they were
Speaker 1: there a couple five. Look, Cincinnati's good, They're zero to three.
Speaker 1: This is a desperate team that's gonna be a loud
Speaker 1: building to try to get their guys back in gear,
Speaker 1: and I just don't like the size they're gonna throw
Speaker 1: it at Kansas. Hunter Dickinson hasn't been super effective when
Speaker 1: you pair athleticism and size in the front court, and
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to trust the surrounding perimeter pieces now with
Speaker 1: Shackmore out there more to make enough threes to keep
Speaker 1: Kansas in the game. But Cincinnati can definitely be gotten
Speaker 1: on offense. They just scored forty against Baylor, and Kansas
Speaker 1: is a really good defensive team. They'll need to lean
Speaker 1: on their experience and their turnover forcing ability to get
Speaker 1: out of here with a win. Could they do it? Sure?
Speaker 1: Will they do it? I'm gonna predict them to lose
Speaker 1: because I think Cincy eventually has to get one here,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pick Cincinnati to win seventy two to
Speaker 1: sixty seven in an ugly, frustrating game. But I would
Speaker 1: love to be wrong, and if I am wrong, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna change my tune about this team quickly because that
Speaker 1: would be two straight road wins.
Speaker 2: I am. I don't feel overly confident about this, but
Speaker 2: I am going to take Kansas to win. Everything you
Speaker 2: said about Cincinnati, I agree with and Kansas has had
Speaker 2: matchup problems and I think is pretty matchup dependent. How Ever,
Speaker 2: Cincinnati has just not played well this season play.
Speaker 1: They just haven't four top opponents are Villanova and the
Speaker 1: three Big Twelve games and they're oh and four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they haven't played. They haven't won a game
Speaker 2: against a great team, against a good team, really, and
Speaker 2: I am going to say, I'm gonna trust Kansas's defensive
Speaker 2: trajectory here and stuff. They're gonna win like.
Speaker 1: Seventy to sixty ow boat race kind of almost.
Speaker 2: Keep him at arm's length by the end. Just the
Speaker 2: way Cincinnati has played. I don't know if Hunter Dickinson's
Speaker 2: gonna have like a great statistical outing here. He probably won't.
Speaker 2: But I think Kansas is gonna find a way, and
Speaker 2: I don't think Cincinnati is going to be good enough.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna trust that Kansas is going to play
Speaker 2: just well enough. And I feel not good about that
Speaker 2: prediction at all, but give me the Hawks well.
Speaker 1: And at the beginning of the season, we would have said, Okay,
Speaker 1: if they can be three and two through the first
Speaker 1: five conference games, then the schedule opens up a bit
Speaker 1: because we knew at Sinca and at Iowa State were
Speaker 1: two very tough games. I think three and two would
Speaker 1: have been considered the low water mark, but we would
Speaker 1: have said just don't be worse than three and two acceptable.
Speaker 2: It would have been the acceptable mark.
Speaker 1: Right, And if they win this game, they will put
Speaker 1: themselves in a position where that is locked in. They
Speaker 1: cannot be worse than three and two through five, and
Speaker 1: then you're in a position where screwt go shock Iowa
Speaker 1: State on the road and put springboard yourself. Right. If
Speaker 1: they get two dubs this week, people are gonna go
Speaker 1: from winning the season to be over and calling Bill
Speaker 1: soolv wash to saying this team could win a Natty
Speaker 1: in a two week span. Oh wow, is that surprising
Speaker 1: fickle fans. But if they lose both these games and
Speaker 1: you're two and three in league play, eh, that's gonna
Speaker 1: feel real bad, especially with Iowa State and Houston potentially
Speaker 1: two full games in front of you, and you're not
Speaker 1: even three games in the league play. If you want
Speaker 1: to be a contender, if you want to contend for
Speaker 1: a title in the Big Twelve, if you want to
Speaker 1: contend for a one seed at Cincinnati in a game
Speaker 1: that Ken Palm says, you have a fifty six percent
Speaker 1: chance of winning. That has to be a win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think that's that's true. If you're
Speaker 2: two and three, the Big Twelve race is probably done
Speaker 2: for can I think Cincinnati is good.
Speaker 1: I picked them to finish in the top six of
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve in the preseason and our preseason show.
Speaker 1: I love their returning talent. I think that they're due
Speaker 1: to get one. I hope I'm wrong. It'd be awesome
Speaker 1: if Kansas can keep them at Bay one more game
Speaker 1: and then since he can go win their games. Because
Speaker 1: you're right, they haven't played well against the good teams
Speaker 1: on their schedule. We'll see what happens. It should be
Speaker 1: a close game. I'm not expecting. Well, maybe I will
Speaker 1: based on what's happened. I'm certainly not expecting it to
Speaker 1: be thirteen to three at the first TV time out
Speaker 1: in Kansas. Just never get us up the whole game.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be very close throughout other games in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. Number three Iowa State at Texas Tech
Speaker 1: trap game. Give me the Red Raiders.
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1: I just think that's a tough place to play. Iowa
Speaker 1: State look going ahead of KU a little bit. They
Speaker 1: can't win them all. B YU at TCU, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a toilet bowl. I don't want.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even want to pick this game.
Speaker 1: Or I just want to take an l And it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the people who take a knee, like
Speaker 1: in the middle of a highway to protest things or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna gonna take. I know I'm gonna be shamed,
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna be chastised, but I just don't
Speaker 1: even want to pick this game because I hate it
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: TCU.
Speaker 1: I think TCU sucks. I will go Cougars on the Road,
Speaker 1: Jay Horrendous Basketball Game Number twelve, Houston at Kansas State.
Speaker 1: I feel confident in this one. I think the Cougars
Speaker 1: will win.
Speaker 2: I do too. K State will score less than sixty.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe less than fifty. Oklahoma State at Utah. I
Speaker 1: said I was never gonna pick Utah, and I am
Speaker 1: sticking with it. Pokes on the Road.
Speaker 2: Uh, give you the Utes. The Utes get one here.
Speaker 1: They better if they can't get this one. I don't
Speaker 1: know which one they're getting. Baylor at Arizona State Baylor
Speaker 1: hasn't shown me anything that would make me think they
Speaker 1: can win on the road. I'll take the Sun doubles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, give me a little Arizona
Speaker 2: State bounce back performance here forks up.
Speaker 1: Teams are are two? Are three and oh right after
Speaker 1: or two and oh after losing after playing Kansas and
Speaker 1: conference play, and let's see if that continues. UCF at
Speaker 1: Arizona Zona by as many points as legally as allowed
Speaker 1: in a basketball game. See, I think it's actually kind
Speaker 1: of close. But you're you're definitely not a fan of UCF.
Speaker 1: I agree. Arizona starts four to oh. Number twenty one
Speaker 1: West Virginia at Colorado. This has to be the spot
Speaker 1: for the Buffaloes, right.
Speaker 2: Give me the Mountaineers. Close? Close? Yes, okay, what's Virginia?
Speaker 1: You really think UCF and Colorado are the worst teams ever?
Speaker 1: And I it definitely could be true.
Speaker 2: They're playing like it, especially Utah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, that's who Sat losses a lot of
Speaker 1: them other games. Number nine, Yukon tries to bounce back
Speaker 1: at Georgetown. We will pick them to and the Ryan
Speaker 1: needed a seventh game to make this a round number
Speaker 1: So I threw this freebie in there. Take your win Landon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotta be gotta be the Huskies here.
Speaker 1: Number eight Florida at Arkansas. You ready for this? I know,
Speaker 1: I know he was just called the biggest fraud of
Speaker 1: the year, but I am taking John Calipari to win
Speaker 1: this game. Florida, fresh off there win over number one,
Speaker 1: goes down to a desperate Arkansas team.
Speaker 2: I think Florida's really good, and I think Arkansas is
Speaker 2: the last few years of Cal. So give me Florida washed.
Speaker 1: Cal is a thing. Number one Tennessee at Texas. Not
Speaker 1: betting on the upset here, Vole's big. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think Tennessee comes out pissed and Texas does not
Speaker 2: score a lot of points.
Speaker 1: Somebody should find out when is the last time a
Speaker 1: team played number two and number one in the same week,
Speaker 1: because that is Texas's week. Horrendous draw for them. Number
Speaker 1: seventeen Oklahoma at Georgia. I'm just profiting. Lots of doubs
Speaker 1: picking against Porter and I'll take them. I'll take another one. Bulldogs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me the dogs. Was that a wolf? Did you
Speaker 1: give me a wolf? Is that what that was?
Speaker 2: There was a wolf in there?
Speaker 1: That was a wolf. Well, you know we also had
Speaker 1: Nick Doo that once. That's US Bulldogs. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be that close either. Porter sucks. Number five Alabama at
Speaker 1: number ten in Texas A and M Saturday primetime game.
Speaker 1: That's a barn Burner.
Speaker 2: Is wayde Taylor back.
Speaker 1: We don't know it was a lower body injury. I
Speaker 1: am all in on the Crimson Tide.
Speaker 2: I think they win same.
Speaker 1: I think they might be a top three team in
Speaker 1: the country. Right now. Here's another tough one. You didn't
Speaker 1: know this team was ranked this I did you. I
Speaker 1: certainly did. Number six Kentucky at number fourteen Mississippi State,
Speaker 1: Oh man, how good is Mississippi State? Are they? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think the SEC is just that. On the road,
Speaker 1: I agree. And number sixteen Michigan State at Northwestern Spartans
Speaker 1: are just steam rolling right through everybody. I say that
Speaker 1: they get tripped up here.
Speaker 2: Eh oh okay, I do not sparty.
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to p a lot of road teams unless
Speaker 1: the road team is playing at Well, let's see the
Speaker 1: road teams that I picked to win. One is playing
Speaker 1: Rodney Terry, one is playing Georgetown, one is playing one
Speaker 1: is Jamie Dixon you want to. Yeah, So I'm picky
Speaker 1: about who I pick on the road, I guess, and
Speaker 1: one's playing Kansas State, who I feel pretty good there.
Speaker 1: So our next podcast coming Sunday, where we will we're
Speaker 1: expected to have Cam back much like way Taylor, he
Speaker 1: is questionable for the next one, and then we get
Speaker 1: to prepare for a game at Ames. When was the
Speaker 1: last time they wanted Iowa State? They never went there anymore?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a now they they won there. They
Speaker 2: won there when we did not think they would without
Speaker 2: o Chai in the year.
Speaker 1: So it's still been three years. But yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: a it's been a hot minute. Iowa State went through
Speaker 1: a stretch where they were so bad for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and now they are not. It's amazing what happened, coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're a wagon. Well Landon, you get a you
Speaker 1: get an MVP award, and I don't really know what
Speaker 1: you want to do with it. Think of it like
Speaker 1: a dundee. You just put it on your desk for
Speaker 1: being perseverant and doing a I really wish I wasn't
Speaker 1: here right now show for the fans. And we carried
Speaker 1: through and gave him a good one. This is I
Speaker 1: t P and Ryan Landers.
Speaker 2: Uh, thank you, thank you, Ryan, I I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I will stare at that at my uh my bedstand
Speaker 2: for for weeks on end, if not years.
Speaker 1: Just don't hit a trash can.
Speaker 2: Hopefully, hopefully the locker room culture will be will be
Speaker 2: good at I T P. After tonight. Uh, there there
Speaker 2: may be fine's handed out. It wasn't. I was just
Speaker 2: a little to miss Notre Dame. But they're in the championship.
Speaker 2: Let's go Notre Dame today.
Speaker 1: And honestly, it may have been better for you to
Speaker 1: not watch it because you, like, seriously, that was you
Speaker 1: gotta know. Now you just missed James Franklin being sad.
Speaker 2: And now I've won the right to watch Riley Leonard
Speaker 2: throw like three interceptions against either team that he plays
Speaker 2: in the national time. It will be Ohio State.
Speaker 1: But and we'll make sure that we schedule a podcast
Speaker 1: for that night too, just for you, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm skipping that one.
Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, We'll see you on Sunday. Stay out
Speaker 1: of trouble. Don't hit any trash cans.
Speaker 2: Always good advice I would know. Bye.