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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Penguin

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Reviews series on the clown Prints of Expertise Trash. Now

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I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: On the ice Bath curricle Patzer the.

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Speaker 3: Tunnels to the Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and here we are on episode six. Correctly, this

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time last week I said episode six, I was episode

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fun that this is actually episode six. We only have

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two more weeks, boys, so it's gonna be interesting. Yeah,

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we will still be reviewing of people are wondering. We

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do have our twenty four hour stream, which I'll talk

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should be the same Bat time, same Bat channeled as usual,

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lots of other good stuff. The Agatha review or sorry,

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mister Field, what do you think about this episode's or sorry,

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this week's episode of The Penguin.

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Speaker 3: So it had a quick little story narrative that caught

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me off guard at the start of the episode, but

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I liked it. It wasn't a takeaway by any means,

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but I liked it. I think that though everything else

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just uh, it's it's furthering. I don't want to say filler,

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but it's just it's furthering just where we're where we're

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trying to get to. And it definitely was not as

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hype as the previous few episodes are. But again I

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say that very lightly because it's not a takeaway. This

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is just kind of like, to me, this was a

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necessary episode to bridge us to the next part of

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the story where we're going to get to and I

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like that. I like how things feel like they've ramped up.

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There's a lot of escalation now and a lot more

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risk because when we got to the end of this episode,

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I was thinking, holy fuck, I cannot wait to see

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the semi finale, semi final, penultimate. As Travis says, yeah,

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I cannot wait. I am so looking forward to it

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because yeah, holy shit, we're about to throw down. It's

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gonna be crazy. But all in all, there was there

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was some very intense moments in this in this episode

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and some very one particular heartfelt moment that Oz had

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it was just yeah, it's just absolutely bonkers, and I

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just think that we've got some real interesting developments with

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some of our guys. But all in all, I'm excited

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to break it down. So yeah, passing the buck.

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Speaker 1: I kind of forgot what happened in the very first

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of the episodes. I'm like, what do you mean. I'm like, okay,

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now now I understand, but yeah, what about you kirkt them?

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Speaker 2: What do I think about this episode? I think this

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was a fantastic episode. I think the show is remaining

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just on the same part of quality that it's been

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and uh, yeah, it's pretty crazy that it hasn't like

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have had like a like a noticeable dip of like, Okay,

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we're finally finally settling down this week, you know, a

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bit of a sleeper episode. We're getting ready for next

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next week's banger. But every every week is just such

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a banger. And I'm I'm just so attached to characters

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in the show right now, and I'm getting scared because

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I feel like I'm like eighty percent sure they're not

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gonna make it, but no, they're doing such a good

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job at getting me invested, and really just I think

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just getting like attached to, like maybe even not so

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good characters and just like like really wanting them to succeed,

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even though when I think about it, I'm like, I

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don't want these people to succeed their criminals, but still

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I am kind of getting excited with just what they're

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getting going and what's going on for them and their

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business dealings. But rooting for Oz, yeah, exactly, just the

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bad guys. So I think the last moment of this

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episode has been something that I have been like scared

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to be looking forward to, you know, just like waiting

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for this. It's like I'm looking at a car crash

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that's about to happen, and I know it's gonna happen.

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There's nothing I can do to stop it, but I'm

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still just looking at it. And now it's like a

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final like literally it's like that's so raven like premonition

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of it happening. Now I'm seeing it live. I'm like,

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oh no, you showing me here, And I cannot wait

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for next week now. I'm I'm so so excited for

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that to happen and then we'll be sleepy, you know,

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it'll be after the twenty four hours stream, but I

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can't wait to be doing that review now, and yeah,

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I know, I I agree with you theato there's some good,

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like emotional stuff that happened here. It was like catching

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me off guard because like the show is so good,

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you know, mynerspoilers. I'm talking about Oz here very specifically.

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still am like getting emotionally like attached to this character

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and like feeling for him, and then an episode will

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happen he'll do something super evil and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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I'm reminded that he is an evil character and should

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not be reading for him. And then he does something

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that's just, i don't know, like very human or whether

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it's a relationship with his mom or Vic or something

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like that, it's just it just feels very human. So

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they're doing such a good job. I'm loving the writing

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around this character. And yeah, I feel like the stuff

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that's going on with Sophia two is so exciting. I

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don't know, I'll just pass the Batona. I just kind

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of want to get into the nitty grit. But yeah,

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this Stellar Stellar episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you brought up like that's an interesting

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thing where like we look at something in Fidney Warre

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and somebody wonder where I'm going with this comparison of

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Infinny War and Penguin, But just take a ride with

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me here. It's like Infinny War was like, okay, they

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they told Sano's story, and you know, we had he

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had a point and we kind of understood, like, Okay,

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we see where he's coming from. He's not a clearcut,

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just bad guy and his ways trying to make the

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world better and these characters aren't even trying to do that.

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but I'm never like going into the end of Infinity

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War or Endgame being like, well, I kind of want

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Thanos to win now. At the same time, again, I'm

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not wanting that. When we get to The Batman too,

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I'm not gonna make like I really hope Oz takes

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down Pattison, you know, like I'm not thinking that. But

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in this situation, it's difficult because both are characters and

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you could argue who is who, But I guess Penguin

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because the show's called Penguin. He's our you know, protagonist.

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You could argue, like, who do you want to win

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in this scenario? Right, and it's stuff because they're both criminals,

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they're both doing things that are a little iffy, they're

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both doing things that you agree with in a sense

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of like you can see a bit where they're coming from.

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So I think this episode did a good job of

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even minor characters, like there's like it's like a minor sport,

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but like the Oz's dancer girlfriend, I was like, oh, man,

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like she's putting some situation. I'm like, oh, I feel

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a little bad about this where I'm like, I don't

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know if I should because she probably knows a lot

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of terrible stuff going on as a report. But at

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the same time, people are just trying to make their

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way by So it's very interesting. I think it's a

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I can't even say that for developments, I think Vic

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has a big thing. I think so Villa has a

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big thing. I think at the end of this episode

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there's a big thing. So I think it was maybe

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a little slower, but like kind of that we talk

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about many times, that calm before the storm situation. Because

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I feel like we have enough time because those are

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gonna be both about hours to two hours. We're coming

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down the home stretch, especially cause last week we were

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talking about this one storyline like oh is this needed?

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dealt with very like single handly, but then it still

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progressed the plot and characters forward. You know. It wasn't like, Okay,

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they just got rid of that storyline. That's stupid, that

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was a waste of time. No, I think it actually

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informs some stuff. So yeah, I think I think next

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week's gonna be bad. Good for us to watch, but

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think a lot of tragic things are gonna happen, and

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we're gonna lose I'm gonna say two people at least,

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maybe I'm gonna say two. Maybe a third. Stuff will

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be on the finale, but we're we're losing some people,

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and it's a I don't think it's gonna be in

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nice ways or the you know classic like oh, uh

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deserve death. It's like, no, people are gonna go violent

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and no, everyone's great. Colin Farrell standout episode. First time

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we're seeing Pingle'll get like really really emotional about some stuff. So, yeah,

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this is another great episode. I'm excited for next week.

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But as always, it's like, oh, that show's coming to

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an end, so that's kind of a bummer. But we

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will be here. But we still gotta talk about this

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episode first. So let's take us will break and then

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we'll be right back. We're yeah, I just get the

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Speaker 2: And just imagine if we only did non spoiler episodes.

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It's like, kay, yeah, that's it. I guess we have

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done it in the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's always like the Doubles, right, It's like.

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Speaker 2: Spider Verse, was that one of them Star Wars.

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Speaker 1: Wonder Civil War, And I think there's a couple others

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of days early, but even then we still we review

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it fully, we just cut out the non spoilers, right,

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because we had a we were wondering what's going I'm

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still wondering what's going on. So we have Sophia and

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the second I saw her looking you know, bare shoulders

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and whatnot, I was like, Okay, something's going on here,

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and I knew man, my my guy, my favorite doctor

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in Arkham, Julian Rush is he's getting some action. Now.

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of makes sense because they like, there's a study that

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their sexual world. So if people aren't watching the episode,

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he has a bruise on his stomach, He's very sweaty.

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mentioned too that they did, like they didn't say, but

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there's definitely like a time jump, even though it was

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like a couple of weeks there. They jumped a little

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bit because Aust's lab is running, he has more employees

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like a significant time jump just because everything is kind

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of running and it's not like it's just up and running.

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it felt though, like just because of what's going on

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with Sophia and certain characters, and it doesn't seem like

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she's been hunting as NonStop for a.

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Speaker 1: Complete you know.

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even it's they're like, okay, let's let's start gart let's

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start getting this stuff up and running, right, and then

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we jump here, it's like, okay, stuff's getting up and running.

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of a time jumping, yeah, but even then it seems like, yeah,

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like at least bare minimum, from from just how every

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like the scale of everything and how many people.

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that will be up and running in the finale or

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the Batman. You know, I didn't think it would be like, oh,

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next week, you're here, And that's where it's odd. I

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it feels like it's a month or more. And then

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a few days. Like the way to me Sophia and

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Salvatory are talking, it does not feel like it's even

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been like a couple of weeks. It feels like it's

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maybe been a few days. But like there's because it

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feels like they would have actively been on the hunt

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for Oz right away. So that's where I take this.

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hoping he would pop up, and they put him on

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the back burner for a little bit and he has it.

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like having that dinner and conversing, I was expecting some

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sort of dialogue on like what they've been doing the

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last few weeks, like like how you know, just why

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they haven't found Oz yet, But like the dialogue just

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you know, once I stop talking about his family and

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some emotional stuff, it's just okay, this weed, we gotta

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find him. And it's just I don't know, it just

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it felt a little succinct for what should have been happening,

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like time frame wise, like it seems like Oz has

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been doing stuff and they just kind of paused their

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storyline for a little bit. And now that Oz is done,

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you know, getting his stuff going, we're unpausing Sofia and

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Sal it's like, oh, yeah, no, we gotta get Oz

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right away.

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Speaker 1: It feels like in a video game where you have

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the side quest or main quest right where it's like

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Sal and uh, Sophia are on the main quest and

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like waiting for Oz, Wayne for Oz. But then as

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the video game, Oz like, well, I'm gonna go like

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grow some mushrooms for a bit and then I'm gonna

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come right back. Like it literally feels like that where

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it feels like they are doing something that they're on

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the main track of the video game, but Oz is

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doing something else even though it's the main story, and

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he's gonna go, you know, get some XP and then

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circle around before we get back to Rush. What did

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you take from the time day? Where were you when

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you're watching this?

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Speaker 3: Well that's what caught me off guard, because yeah, when

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we take this little bit of time jump, I was

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not expecting Oz to be going off like, yeah, we're

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set up down here after seeing what the condition was before,

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and now it's like holy fuck, they got a whole operation.

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Speaker 1: They made a lot of work lists.

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Speaker 3: Now, like they got their brand on point, they're distributing.

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Speaker 2: There's label guys, they got the customer labels.

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Speaker 3: They got all of Crown point in here working down

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below though not Squid. So it's it was a pretty

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impressive operation. So at the end of the day, I

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think that to me would be at least a month.

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I mean, unless he's got the well.

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Speaker 1: And powerful guy, like he has gangs, but he's I

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don't think he was at the like if you would

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have told me he had taken over all of car

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Mines facilities every like just like and so if you

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talk to all those people, right, if that was Penguin

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and maybe believe it, then it's like, oh, he has

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a lot of people, but he still feels like he's

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even still like he has like a lot of the

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like lower tier. They said that Oz has like a

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lot of gangs, so like, I feel like it's a

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lot of people that Okay, if you weren't good enough,

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even if you weren't squibbed, like if you were even

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like below uh school, like if you're just a little

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above Squid, that he was like bringing you in to help.

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nothing else will do. Maybe, right, like that's his life

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where it's just like he's got to get out of there,

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and I guess he's on a different timetable where they

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can like like Karma or like as not Carmina rip

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Sophia and uh Sal they can just like take not

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They don't have to take their time, but they like

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they I don't think they think Oz is coming for

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them and they're just getting stuff together, where Penguin is

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like living in a place, has no power, his mom

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is losing her fucking mind. He could be captain moments.

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this is what he's doing, opposed a Sal like they're

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making dinner together, she's fucking jew Like. I don't think

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Penguin's doing that right now, you know. I think he's

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like yeah, and he's more focused, and that might be

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the reason why he like kind of beats him right

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it is because he wants it a little more where

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they have a little more baggage.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, so yeah, I think another thing that

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didn't help me with the like the time jumping aspect

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to it or making making it feel real. Like the

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amount of time that has happened from last week to

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this week's episode is that like, Okay, he's got his

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thing up and running, but now he's at the point

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that he's like trying to get more gangs like on

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on their side, and it's just it seems like the

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sequence of events is kind of out of order, Like

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it seems like maybe he should have been getting more

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guys to help build this thing faster and then get

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it going. I don't know. I think I'm just over

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analyzing it too much, but it just like at the

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start of this episode, I'm like, holy fuck, this is

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like months months later, Like is this like like yeah,

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and I know we got snow now, so it can't

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be like springtime, so I guess it's been like a

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month or so. But when we have like the the motorcyclist,

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like in the opening, you know it's a vic At first,

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I'm like this pants and on his bond.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people thought that when they put it's Bruce, Yeah,

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he's coming that subway, He's like, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: He's feeling bliss Now, It's just that's that's his Bruce Wayne.

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Speaker 1: This is good ship, Bruce.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh, I was expecting Vic to have like

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a beard or something like. I thought it was gonna

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be like really noticeable of a time difference, but not

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so much. Same thing with the mother and the dementia

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like progression thing like I thought it was gonna be

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hitting so much harder because it has been you know,

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significant amount of time.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it makes me wonder too if this time

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jump has any other any other benefits aside from just

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say Oz setting up his little workshop makes me think like, Okay, well,

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if we do see the Batman in a couple episodes,

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and maybe if like a month goes by, maybe he's

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been able to kind of recover a little bit more

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after his Riddler.

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Speaker 1: Battle, I don't think you're seeing him. I thought I

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would have sworn everything he would have been in here,

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but Matt Reeves has multiple times Like I know people

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can lie, so I but to me, it's not like

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a like yeah you never know, like oh no, Like

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to me, it's like a don't I get It's like,

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don't be disappointed when he's not in here, because they

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even because I think they said like it would just

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take focus away. I think it depends what the situation is.

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I always again just tell myself because that was especially

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last week with all the Gang Wars. Everyone's like where

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the fuck is Bruce right now? Like there's cars blown up.

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But again I just tell myself. They'll probably say in

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The Batman too, he was busy doing, you know, with

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some some big alligator something like that, you know, like, yeah,

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alligator man, like not they know he's killer or Killer Croc,

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just like he's not Ozkola Potty's oz Cough. Like we

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thought Killer Croc was too comic book, so we just

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called him alligator Man, and you know that's his new enemy.

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But the other thing it helps the time, at least

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a little bit, is Sal's all healed up now too,

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so like it, there wasn't like an episode where he

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was like like not the weeks where he's like on

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a fucking bed like dying and Stuff's like he's healed up,

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So I guess that's good. But yeah, so back to

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Juan rush uh so he's that's how he got here.

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He's tied to a chair. Sophia kicks him out. No,

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you're done with me, you know you bored me? Nowsh

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going out work to do and I guess I kind

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of understood what he meant, hence my name, But he's like, oh,

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you know you find Oz, let me know you can

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if you need some of my expertise. Like was he

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saying that in the doctor or was he just saying

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that like when she's mad. I don't think that is.

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Speaker 2: It just like heavier punches, heavier punches to the.

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Speaker 1: Ribs, She's gonna catch oz and just feel that fired

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up that she needs, Like fuck, do you much?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I thought it was like a

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torture thing, like if you need me to torture un her,

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because I'm a master at that. I did a lot

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of that at Arkham. Yeah, Like I also felt like

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the way that he was talking to Sophia was like

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that wasn't him. But maybe it's just because he was

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so in love with her that that's why he made

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the switch, which it seems like more so now it

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seems like he's just really kinky and horny, or even

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if he didn't.

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Speaker 1: Do the experiments on her, he did them on like

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other people, right or just like that type of stuff.

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So yeah, and like that's what I'm curious. We said

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he has to play in somehow right and his like expertise.

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I I'm gonna hope the thing that is not like yeah,

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you like you want to fuck me more in this chair,

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Like I think it has to be something. That's why

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I'm wondering whether it's Oz or even the fact, like

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if they capture Oz's mother and he like I could

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just imagine, but yeah, so she thinks it's her husband

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or something like that, but no, like, could you imagine

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like Oz has to watch like Julian Rush, like do Arkham,

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like imagine what Sophia went through in episode four, and

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he does like a similar routine to her.

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Speaker 2: So I could see the show that's so fucked.

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Speaker 1: And that's why, at least I'm not that I want

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them happened, because like I like the mom but at

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the same time, I kind of want that or even

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if it has happens to Oz or Vic, something happened,

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because I want to feel like Julian Rush is justified

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in being there. Right again, I feel like if this

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was a multiple season, two or season show, I'd have

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less a problem because oh, he's in her gang, He's

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gonna come back. But I'm assuming this show's ending in

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two episodes and like like, I guess he was just

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there to be horny. Like I think next week he

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has to do something with these expertise, I hope. But

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would you guys take from mister Rush's playtime and what

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he could be up to next week.

471
00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:20,039
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, his playtime. I was not expecting that.

472
00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:22,200
I'm having all like the blood of the cuts or

473
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,519
whatever on his neck, So that caught me off guard

474
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:26,319
a little bit. But I mean, hey, he seems happy.

475
00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,359
He seems to be enjoying himself, So I mean, there

476
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,279
you go. Why not get at it what his I mean,

477
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,799
what are his true motivations?

478
00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 1: Is?

479
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 3: It's just out of love and obsession with Sophia?

480
00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: Is that it right now? I'd say that's it?

481
00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't need a lot more with this character,

482
00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:47,079
Like I feel like he's still someone that could just

483
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,240
be oz, could just shoot him in the head or

484
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,079
just gonna him down and crossfire or something like that.

485
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,599
I don't feel like there's enough of like not.

486
00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: Such a waste of screen time. He just gets like

487
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,440
shot in a drive by.

488
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: And like, don't worry Sophia, this my expertise gets shot int.

489
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 3: I'm curious, but I don't need a lot more of

490
00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:08,599
him just being there for like the sexual torture release

491
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,559
of Sophia like reoccurringly, like he just throw like one

492
00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:15,839
two more scenes in there. Sure, but I don't need

493
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,319
it to be like a consistent, reoccurring thing unless he

494
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,559
can offer something else. And maybe maybe that is an

495
00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,599
interpretation that he's just gonna do some torturing stuff. And

496
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,880
like you said to him, torturing h Francis, that'd be

497
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,640
fucking crazy, that would just be super super crazy. But

498
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,119
I don't know if there's enough time to kind of

499
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,880
go like do something like that.

500
00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: I feel like there is She's good. I don't even

501
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,680
think next week. It's like I think her his mom's gone,

502
00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:42,279
like when we I think he's gonna find.

503
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,519
Speaker 3: I think she dies on the spot like in there, right.

504
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: Really, I don't.

505
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 3: I think so Sophia's like I fucking got oz dead

506
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,960
to rights, this is it. I'm gonna kill her and

507
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,160
then boom.

508
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,039
Speaker 1: But I feel like if you kill her, you lose all,

509
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,960
like all the power over him right where if there's

510
00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:01,319
anything kidnapp her well, like because as right now they

511
00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:03,599
don't even know where his operations are, right, we'll talk

512
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,680
about him. We keep saying this was squid. But like

513
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,160
he did say like, oh oh, is like oz grade

514
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,960
and powerful. No one everyone hears him, doesn't see him,

515
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,279
so like they are whatever how many weeks it's been

516
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,880
or days or months. It sounds like everyone knows Oz

517
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,119
is operating, but they don't know where he is. So

518
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,960
that would be a thing where, especially with the bliss,

519
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,160
she might want that drug back.

520
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: Right, So, so are you thinking, uh, Victor's dead and

521
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,319
Francis is taken away.

522
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,519
Speaker 1: No, I think Victor's knocked unconscious and she's taken away

523
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,319
because I just feel like, again Victor, I think Oz

524
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,119
is killing Victor. They're making that weight like that's gonna

525
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,200
be such like a after today's episode, I feel like,

526
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:43,599
I mean, I think whatever happens with the mum, it's

527
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,799
following me. You are, Victor. Remember a couple of weeks

528
00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:49,519
ago when he's like, you're just gonna give me a

529
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:51,599
reason to trust me, Solvia, and then I'll own it

530
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,839
back and then like you know, jump to fuck her

531
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,519
and they drive away like Oz is the best to

532
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,279
do in that twist. I hugging him though, like but again,

533
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:01,960
maybe he'll be at a rage. Maybe it'll be like

534
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,319
because he let his mom get killed, and he's just like,

535
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,119
you motherfucker, like cause he kind of gave him a

536
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,880
job to go back and watch over his mom, right.

537
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,039
Speaker 2: So I feel like there's like the moments too where

538
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:15,359
Penguin like snaps at at VIC two is like really

539
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,319
really showing of just like how easily he could just

540
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,359
like bear his fangs on him. Like like like when

541
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,000
he when he mentions his brother at the start of

542
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,160
this episode, he's like like, don't ever mention my brother,

543
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,079
Like you don't like to do that or was it

544
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,960
last week when he kept saving his life.

545
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,319
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the right to bring up And I

546
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,559
get it because his mom and it's awkward, but still

547
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,160
like he's like just trying to help. He's not trying

548
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,279
to be he's not being like big time in him.

549
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:40,839
He's just trying to help his mom out, you know.

550
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and he's done that a couple of times.

551
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,200
That's rare. Yeah, I'm getting that impression that, yeah, it's

552
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,480
gonna be a tearful into VIC, but hopefully it works

553
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,319
out for you, Taylor. That would be nice too.

554
00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: I'm counting on him staying alive.

555
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,039
Speaker 1: You're counting on him, Yeah, Superhero draft him. But no,

556
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,079
I think he's gone. But yeah, I think that's what's

557
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,160
gonna happen, that she's gonna be gone immediately. And you

558
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,160
because like you don't know what else Penguin might have,

559
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:05,799
So why not.

560
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 3: Use a use his mother man down there? Right?

561
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: So the Batman down there?

562
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: Why would they do that's he's got the Batman down there,

563
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,920
who said, you don't know, they don't know, they don't

564
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,519
know whatever what else OZ has?

565
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: Just Oh yeah that's what. Yeah, you found him in

566
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,000
the subway. Wouldn't that be a huge time drum? And

567
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,440
like Batman dude picks up with raw pass like as

568
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,960
like hossage by Oz. But uh no, I don't think

569
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,839
that's happening. But uh yeah, I guess we talk about

570
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,960
it now where Sophia she's on the hunt, Like we said,

571
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,960
we don't know when or where, we don't know the timeline.

572
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,759
But they go to his place, they find she again.

573
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,480
So I'm not that I was wrong, but I said

574
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,240
it was possible. Establishes that, Okay, she did think his

575
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,400
mom was dead, knew about the brothers and everything like

576
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,839
that gives car Ours Salvator a golf club just to

577
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,200
fuck up the whole place, little picture. I felt, he's

578
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,119
someone who cares about it. And no, no, no, they're

579
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,160
all dead. You know, they just had some venison so

580
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:02,920
that they're.

581
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,759
Speaker 2: So good, so good.

582
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they fucking the place, which this was

583
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,759
like an odd I guess it just shows how much

584
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:12,960
she has going on because she found the picture of

585
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,200
you know this, I can't remember her name, but like

586
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:20,559
Oz's girlfriend, clay Face or Eve, Yeah, clay Face's sister,

587
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,079
and it's just I kind of thought she was gonna

588
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:25,480
get to that by herself, because even Eve was like,

589
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:27,319
oh she saw my face, like she's gonna come find

590
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,880
me my girls. But it's like she needed a photograph

591
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,920
to be reminded of, like right, this girl. So I

592
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,119
was kind of surprised they needed like a photograph. I

593
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,960
thought for sure it was gonna be just like I

594
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,279
figured it out. But they go there and that's where

595
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,960
I was like, oh man, this situation where I felt

596
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,480
bad for her because she didn't of course she lied

597
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,319
about you know, Penguin's Albi Alberta and everything, but she

598
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,240
just got dragged into this and when she had the

599
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,640
gun up to her, I was like, oh man, like

600
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,319
not that I'm like, oh, I need this character to survive,

601
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,640
and I felt bad, like, oh, Sylvia's just gonna kill her,

602
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,640
but Sophia didn't, and Sophia got some information and yeah,

603
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,480
she sold her out. And now I really wonder if

604
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,400
Oz survives this. I think he's gonna kill her. And again,

605
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,880
I'm not trying to say that has anything to do

606
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,119
with Batman too, because who knows. But if again, Penguin

607
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,440
kills his sister, I'm curious if that's a character. But

608
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,039
what do you guys say about the Sophia's hunt and

609
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:22,839
everything like that?

610
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: Uh?

611
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mind the way that she discovered Eve.

612
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,880
I like too that like she like basically has a

613
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,559
whole drawer in Penguin's apartment, like to you know, like

614
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:39,400
she must be some have some significance in Penguin's life

615
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,039
to beat to that level. But like how you brought

616
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,079
up that she has seen them together before, I imagine

617
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,680
Penguin's probably been around a lot of you know, women

618
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,319
of the night, so maybe she's just kind of assumed

619
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,839
that it was wasn't anyone too significant there, but to

620
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,200
actually have like you know, some undias a photo and

621
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:59,759
have like the signature and everything on there, it feels

622
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:01,839
a lot were personal, So I was fine with how

623
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,759
that went about. I did really like the like the

624
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,519
meeting of the two. I thought that scene was really

625
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,400
really good, great tension, Like I was, I was fifty

626
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,200
to fifty if she was gonna shoot her or not,

627
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,839
and I felt like he felt that, and it's just

628
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,720
really really well done scene because I felt like even

629
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:23,480
Sophia was unsure like many moments and when Eve asked

630
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,880
her like did you come here to kill me? And

631
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,960
she didn't really answer, I'm like, I don't even think

632
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,680
she knows, Like I don't think she knows what's gonna

633
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,000
happen when she goes some of these situations. So yeah,

634
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,200
I really liked how all that went out and brought

635
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,480
up the Hangman stuff. I like how Sophia was just

636
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,319
like just straight up, like super honest about everything on it,

637
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,799
because for her, it's been like the biggest mislabeling of

638
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:45,279
her life.

639
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,559
Speaker 1: Right. She also acts like though people should know that

640
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:48,440
she's like I don't know the Hangman.

641
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,519
Speaker 2: She's like dressed like this like murdered, like yeah, like

642
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:53,960
it's just.

643
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,279
Speaker 1: Like we don't know your backstory. And it's fine because

644
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,240
it would probably make the scene too long.

645
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:00,839
Speaker 2: So I think I'm the hangman. Ah, what do you mean.

646
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: All we know is that you're the hangman? Like, oh,

647
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,880
it was just so funny when she says it like

648
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,920
it's common knowledge. And then even like I was surprised

649
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,599
that Eve completely It's fine because like she's right, but

650
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,519
the fact that Eve completely bought everything she said about

651
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,000
Aw saying, oh, we framed me. He knew Carmen was

652
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,960
killing those girls. He didn't tell you about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

653
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,960
It's just like when as Eve, you might think, like, oh,

654
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,119
she's trying to get information out of me. But I

655
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,079
guess maybe her not killing her was just her kind

656
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,039
of like throwing her, you know, hat into the ring

657
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:32,599
of being Like I guess I'm on the Sofia side.

658
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:34,680
But like I said, I feel like eventually Ping was

659
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,599
gonna be like only one person knew I was here

660
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,480
that's not dead and it's probably her, And I don't

661
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:40,720
think she's gonna make it out of the show. Now.

662
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,119
I think Ping's gonna fucking kill her. And like I said,

663
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,599
I don't know what that could get us layer on

664
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,359
down line, but I think she's I think she's a

665
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,119
dead woman now.

666
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,599
Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure, I was totally fine with her

667
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,039
like basically throwing Oz to the wolves like instantly as

668
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,279
soon as she found out of like yeah, you know,

669
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,720
like he helped cover up these things with my father

670
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,519
because he was working for my father, and like it

671
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,880
would make sense why you would be like, yeah, okay,

672
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,000
fuck that guy, Like these are my best friends that

673
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:10,079
were close to her that he would have known, and

674
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:13,160
then he was fooling around with her. So yeah, I

675
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:17,240
totally liked how that played out. And I'm curious. I'm

676
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,440
curious if he is gonna hunt her down and murder

677
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,400
if or if he or if he's just gonna be like, yeah,

678
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,720
no I did actually completely fuck them over. But no,

679
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,079
I think he would actually because especially after Victor, I

680
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,200
think that's gonna be actually after the mom, like once

681
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,759
he realized what's going on with the mom, I think

682
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,640
this is gonna be like a it's gonna be like

683
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,599
a event horizon moment where we're gonna be going into

684
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480
situations that we can never return from, like like no

685
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:47,400
matter what, we can never be in this uh Cob

686
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,799
looking out to be like the old gangster right looking

687
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:51,519
out for a city. I love that moment in the

688
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,359
beginning when him and Vick are kind of looking at

689
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,960
what they made. It's like, look at this, like they're

690
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,839
gonna be writing stories about us, and they're they're just

691
00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:01,240
getting all chummy and happy and yeah, like start of

692
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,039
this episode, I think started next week's episode. It's gonna

693
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:08,640
be very very different. Uh, just morale around the camp.

694
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: Remember his mom keeps them good.

695
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, so cobble Pot, you know, the full Penguin's

696
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,519
coming out. He's gonna be wearing a monocle and everything,

697
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,039
top hat and ready to murder people.

698
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeahs even making out of this, ah him or He's

699
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,519
gonna have a nice happy ending for you. They're gonna

700
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:31,079
actually go They're gonna meet Bruce Bick. We can help

701
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,119
the Green of Gotham like that Stairs ending, you know, I.

702
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: Think you can get like something near the end of that.

703
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: Bruce the Waynes, the cubs walking together, handing out beers, beer,

704
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,920
throwing an al for it, thrown at Jim Gordon, throwing it, throwing.

705
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: It to the the what's his name, the captain? Why

706
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,319
don't you like beer? I'm a wine drinker.

707
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we could get a scene of them

708
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,559
basically after Oz is kind of like.

709
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: After Oz that should been our post show.

710
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,039
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, after he gets all the way up to

711
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:11,599
the top, and then he's gonna think, okay, some loose ends,

712
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,400
he's just gonna show up at her door. This could

713
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,359
be like last ten minutes of the finale. Rectify Certain,

714
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,599
Rectify certain in equities, that's right.

715
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:20,519
Speaker 2: But I liked it.

716
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: I thought. I thought the whole setup with her and

717
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,319
Sofia was fantastic and just kind of like poking back

718
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,839
and forth at the truth here that it It caught

719
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:35,799
me off card a little bit because I feel like, well, no, no, no,

720
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:40,559
I guess no, never mind, uh lost my lost my

721
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,440
thought there, it's irrelevant.

722
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: I all.

723
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,519
Speaker 3: I think it was just a good scene. I think

724
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:48,480
that she she managed to spare her life and when

725
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:51,920
I said, I'm meaning Eve, she wants to spare her

726
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,279
own life by just being kind of bluntly honest and

727
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,039
realizing there was a common goal. I kind of thought

728
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,160
that Sofia was maybe gonna see like, Okay, you got

729
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,200
like a lot of loyalty here, obviously, and maybe we

730
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,240
can use your crew. Maybe your crew can kind of

731
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,720
like work for you know, the Gigantes. But it's not

732
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:10,200
the case. He just gave her her life basically, So yeah,

733
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,640
but I think it was a very good, powerful, intense scene.

734
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: Oh give the life, but that means a lot, you know,

735
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,640
that's not just her life, that's everything. So we'll take

736
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,400
our second hand break and then we'll be right back

737
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,440
and we're back. So all right, let's let's talk about

738
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,519
squid here. You know, last week we're a little worried

739
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:29,720
where it's gonna go. He saw them walking in, and

740
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,759
that's where this was another storyline part where to me,

741
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,920
may it sound like it's only been like a week

742
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,200
at tops, because he's like, I saw you that old lady,

743
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,680
and I haven't seen you around it though, but like

744
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,079
to me, just like he sees Victor go in and

745
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,599
he seems interested, I would think he'd be sitting outside

746
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,359
that like that area every day to try and see

747
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,359
what Victor's up to, especially when he knows like there's

748
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,720
this blister new drug going or anything like that. So

749
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:55,599
the way he made like it'll have been a couple

750
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,160
of days, So I think there's some things that show,

751
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,720
oh it's been a month something, show has been a

752
00:33:58,759 --> 00:33:59,960
couple of weeks. And then I just be like squaw

753
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,920
talking like it's been three four days but anyway, so

754
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,359
he's like, yeah, you know, I saw you and I'm

755
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,639
wanting what's going on. We used to work together with

756
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,719
the drops and stuff and you know, putting a good

757
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,519
word for me. So Victor's like yeah. Of course, Victor

758
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:16,079
is very scared. He starts all like, well, I'll see

759
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,360
what I can do. He goes to Oz, which I

760
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:23,039
love this scene that he tells Oz about his problem

761
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,119
and then Oz kind of ignores him and talks about

762
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,280
his momm He's very worried about that and everything. But

763
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,159
then Oz does go back. He's like, oh, what were

764
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,679
you saying about that guy? Like do you need my

765
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,280
help or anything? And then Victor can read that he's

766
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,320
very busy with his mom says no, it's good. But

767
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,960
I thought they were just making Oz completely ignom At first,

768
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:40,400
I was like, oh, he's just like a complete shit heal,

769
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,239
he doesn't really care, but then multiple times he brings

770
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,840
it back because unfortunate for Squid, Victor tried to do

771
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,480
the right thing. Well I don't know the right thing

772
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,159
the criminals, but what he thought was the right thing

773
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,159
of not killing him, and he was gonna give him

774
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,840
like a weekly allowance. He's like, hey, they're not looking

775
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,039
for guys right now, but we can. We know this

776
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,199
is your area, so we'll give you some money and

777
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,760
when it's good, I'll bring in. And he was gonna,

778
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,119
you know, pay him off, but then Squid didn't like that.

779
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:07,199
Oh you just pay me off. I can't remember what

780
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,920
he said. He's a fucking loser school yet you want

781
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,159
to fuck me. That's Julian Rush. That's Julian Rush. Chair. Yeah,

782
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,400
it's a big staple in Gotham. But uh yeah, so

783
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:23,400
then that happens. He says, no, I don't want the money.

784
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,639
I want to see your boss. Takes him to the boss.

785
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,440
Well not really, because Lollie turns around and shoots him

786
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,559
neck kills him. I guess this is not that I

787
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:33,039
don't think we thought any otherwise, but a confirmation.

788
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: Him die, he's coming back.

789
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: I think that. I think it's a confirmation at least

790
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,519
of Victor's first time killing somebody. So we got that

791
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:44,079
he was quite upset. And then I really I thought

792
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,239
a great scene between Oz and Victor after of him

793
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,840
actually hugging him and tell him it gets easier, very

794
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,639
like cold, like a mob boss but still have some warmth.

795
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,880
So I thought all this Victor and Squid stuff was fantastic.

796
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,000
I'm glad this is the way it route it went

797
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,280
because he didn't play into the bigger story, but it

798
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,000
played into Victor's story, so that's good. And I don't

799
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,159
know what that's gonna do for Penguin, and I think

800
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,159
it's well, I guess for Taylor. Taylor thinks that means

801
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,079
he's a made man. He's not gonna get killed, but

802
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,880
I think he's just gonna make it more like I

803
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,360
don't know, heartbreaking for Victor when he looks down and

804
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,679
Penguin's fucking being with a pickle sandwich.

805
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: You know, I'm right there with you, Travis on like

806
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:29,400
this just adding to the the the unbelievability maybe of

807
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,480
the time skips that are going on. But in hindsight,

808
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,159
I think it's like the perfect amount of squid usage

809
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,239
for this show. Like I would have hated if this

810
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,559
if this Squid character just kept popping up and like

811
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,800
throwing just tax in the in the wheels of the

812
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,639
Penguin show of just like I want to focus on Sophia,

813
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,639
you know, sal Penguin it Like I don't need Squid

814
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,440
as a factor, squirting his little link all over the show.

815
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,119
So I am happy with the amount that it went.

816
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,559
I really really liked pretty much just everything, like one

817
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:00,800
hundred percent. I thought it was just fan task. I

818
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,559
love when Victor was initially gonna bring it up to

819
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,679
Penguin and then and then he's like, no, this is

820
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,239
something like it's almost like a trial for himself, like

821
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,079
not like I have to be able to handle this.

822
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,880
And I like it too because like he has he

823
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,159
has this like solution like putting a band aid on

824
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,840
the problem of like I'm just gonna pay off, you know,

825
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,280
which is kind of like a crime thing type doing

826
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,239
like I'm gonna I have power. I'm gonna start using

827
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,320
my money to to win this over. But like, this

828
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,519
is so not how Oz would handle the situation. He

829
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,039
would have just beat the ship out of the guy

830
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,320
with his bare hands or like murder him, like right

831
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,360
then and there. So I wonder if that's.

832
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: What Oz was wanting to when he's like, oh, you

833
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,920
can take care of like he never once. I was

834
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,400
wondering if he was gonna ask him if he had

835
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,360
a peace or like, oh, you know, why take care

836
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,199
of it? He just said like, oh, do you got it?

837
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,679
Like do you need help with that? Can you take

838
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:47,920
care of it?

839
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: Oh?

840
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's not an issue. So I wonder if

841
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,280
OZ kind of wanted him to like figure that out,

842
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,199
like yeah, you gotta you canna start killing people now,

843
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:55,480
you know.

844
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: So I don't think that's like how it initially was

845
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,239
maybe in the back of his mind. I just think

846
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,360
because he was so focused on his mom, Like initially

847
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,320
it was just like he barely even heard him and

848
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,960
it's like, oh yeah, what was that? And then I

849
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,679
think the real big moment was like afterwards when when

850
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:13,920
he meets him, because obviously Ozz all fired up with

851
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,239
his plan and it seemed like he had plans for

852
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,239
VIC that night, and then it's like what's going on?

853
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,360
Then he just straight up talks to him. It's like, Okay,

854
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,199
well you're gonna stay home tonight, like we'll get you know,

855
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,480
fresh pair of clothes. And I like how it like

856
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:26,679
he didn't say what happened, but he could just tell

857
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,679
because obviously he's murdered someone, he's many people. He knows

858
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:32,559
that it gets easier, as cold as that might be.

859
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,960
But yeah, I liked how like right away it just

860
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,679
he realized what happened, and then he like business wise,

861
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,719
it's like, hey, well did you get out clean? Like

862
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,920
you know, like like any trace, You're all fine, and

863
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,679
then he like gets down to like get emotional, actually

864
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,760
embraces him, Like. I just thought that was such a

865
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:54,119
powerful scene and one that's gonna come back when when

866
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,119
death finds vic. I think I'm gonna be thinking about

867
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,519
this this scene. But yeah, for I thought it was

868
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:03,840
such a big like Victor just sequence of events and

869
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:08,239
initially too, like when Penguin's like just go home, get clean,

870
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,360
get some food, just hang out, I'm like that is

871
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,480
like the worst fucking thing. Like he's just gonna go

872
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,840
alone and just think about the murder that he committed

873
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,599
all night, like completely by himself.

874
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: I thought that was the right thing. Do you want

875
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,320
to work all fucked up?

876
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,599
Speaker 2: No, you're right, you're right, But it's just like I'm mad,

877
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,079
Like if it already fucked him up, he's gonna go

878
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:28,079
hold like a cold apartment, no power and just like

879
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,320
scraping blood off of his nikes, but uh.

880
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,119
Speaker 1: With his jack dumb move with your jacket, like getting

881
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,320
the blood on here. Definitely his first time.

882
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:38,159
Speaker 2: I don't know what else he would have done, though,

883
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,440
like to make that's that that better? I don't think

884
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:40,679
you can.

885
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,519
Speaker 1: You've earned the shoes and get new ones.

886
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,639
Speaker 2: I'm saying for psyche, like like how to, how to

887
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,440
what he should do on his free night. But I

888
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,880
guess he still look after the mom So now I was.

889
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: Like, this sounds bad because like I've not killed anybody,

890
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,360
but I get that mind set of like I think,

891
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,840
if bad it happens, I like that where I like something. Oh,

892
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,599
I like to be by people I think eventually have

893
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,840
to be but I sometimes big, I just need to

894
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,599
be like quiet, solitary room, get through the thoughts and

895
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,159
then like okay go and then clonk out. Clonk out

896
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:10,760
is the best thing because then you wake up like okay,

897
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,159
I'm good, I'm good to handle it.

898
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: Cut what hard time?

899
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Me to a chair? Oh that's such a bad day.

900
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,440
But no, so I thought that was the right move

901
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:26,760
that him, Like, I know he's gonna be thinking about it,

902
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,400
you know. So but hey, and he was there and

903
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,719
they got power and he had a dance.

904
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,559
Speaker 2: That was really really lovely moment. Yeah, until it wasn't.

905
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:38,119
Speaker 1: Which I worried she's gonna be come hang man, I

906
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:40,119
was worried to I was gonna walk in and they'd

907
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,519
be dancing and get like mad or something like that.

908
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,679
Just comes in. Yeah, in the morning they're unclothed and

909
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,440
that's not what you think.

910
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: Strapped the chair, there's no shirt on it. Tell me

911
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,280
to clonk out what that means.

912
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Taylor. How did you feel about Squatter?

913
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Are you sad to see it go? Uh?

914
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: No, we hardly knew. I think yeah, I think it's fitting.

915
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:07,960
You know, we had him for not even I mean

916
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000
three different episodes, but it felt like we really had

917
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,079
him for less than that. He just really wasn't.

918
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Is this screen time altogether even five minutes?

919
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: I wonder I wouldn't.

920
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,519
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's five minutes. No, he was on

921
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,960
the roof for like thirty seconds and then he sees

922
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000
the mum and him for like five yeah, five seconds.

923
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:27,679
Speaker 1: So he's doing that.

924
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're pretty therefore, thank you.

925
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: I could be Squid in The Batman too if they

926
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:32,639
didn't got a recast.

927
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna so sub three minutes that might be

928
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,559
pushing it, but I'd say it's close to that.

929
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to think about the scenes. I'm

930
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,599
talking to Victory Day, like how long they were and.

931
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,159
Speaker 2: The first I guess that was over three minutes probably alone,

932
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,559
just just far.

933
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Off though, so someone someone gets that runtime very important question.

934
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,079
What was Squid's run time? And I'm gonna if I

935
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:54,840
ever talked about reason, like why didn't you even more

936
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,480
screen time in Penguin?

937
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: You know when you like search up like the Penguin,

938
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,599
and then it'll be like the first like article is

939
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,360
like spoiler, like you know something, it's be like Squid's

940
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:03,840
run time.

941
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: The first one one dot Com like the other one

942
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:10,280
I saw when I was like getting Penguin the stream

943
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,039
ready and I searched Penguin and then it was on

944
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:17,119
Twitter where it was like, uh was like comic dot

945
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:19,199
com or something. They had this article and then the

946
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,000
headline was like Penguin introduces twisted Romance, but it was

947
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,480
a picture of like Sophie and ping one together. So

948
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,039
it's like, you bastard, It's like that's not what is

949
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:29,960
happening here, So like they're just trying to get the clicks.

950
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,239
But it's like, yeah, I guess she did tie offs

951
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,280
to a chair. She likes tying dudes to a chair, right,

952
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,920
so they think she was doing the same thing.

953
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: Tied up, she shut up? What's his face too, the

954
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,199
guy that she shot and.

955
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: The Yeah, geez, yeah she's look, don't cross her. You know.

956
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 3: I truly thought that Squid was going to make it

957
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,480
out of this episode at least but drop some information,

958
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,960
Like he kept pushing this lock. He was throwing around

959
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,480
shade like, oh maybe I'll go talk to the people

960
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,840
that are looking for Oz. Get some real get the

961
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,480
real money. So he was I mean, he's definitely a

962
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,480
filler character for filler episode at this point because he's done,

963
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:13,639
and I think that he really just serves to change

964
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,719
Victor in some shape or form.

965
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,519
Speaker 1: But well, but he's not filler then if he if

966
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:21,239
he's going towards Victor's character, you know, killing someone big step.

967
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's true. It'll be interesting to see where

968
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,000
Victor is in the wake of that the follow to that,

969
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,760
if he's not shot in the head but soon to

970
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,639
be six ft under.

971
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I don't think it's. I really don't like

972
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:39,079
I think it is. I really don't see any other scenario,

973
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,159
Like if you're asking me about bout Sophia, I could

974
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:43,199
give you like a small percentage that she could make

975
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,320
it out, but I'll give you like a point one

976
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,039
percent that Victor's making out of the show alive, you know,

977
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,519
like I really like and even then I would say,

978
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,000
like be killed by Penguin. I don't think Sophia would

979
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:55,920
kill him. No, in this it's like she would because

980
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,079
Sophia don't give a fuck. But like I know, I

981
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:01,039
think it's just all he's a dead man also hasn't

982
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:02,679
But maybe maybe he'll be wrong, maybe he'll be side

983
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,119
by side with Ollz and he'll be like some sort

984
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:06,079
of goon. But I just doubt it.

985
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: So but like you know, if let's say, for his sake,

986
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,840
best case scenario, he lives on and he's just penguins

987
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,360
right hand man. Like I feel like by the time

988
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,280
we get to because we're not getting a second season,

989
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,039
if we're going into the Batman too, I just don't

990
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,760
really care anymore about that dynamic, as like as bad

991
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,280
as that sounds, because I am at this screen time. Yeah,

992
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:29,119
so they're not there, Like we're not gonna have a

993
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,280
sequence of like them like talking and having like one

994
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,559
on one really like human conversation it's gonna be following

995
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:39,400
Robert Pattinson and what his story is. So I think

996
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,280
for it just makes sense. It just makes sense to

997
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,159
have that character contained to the show.

998
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: Unless there is some chance, and like, I don't think

999
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,440
there is. But unless there is some chance, I left

1000
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,400
some things open to be like, hey, we could always

1001
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,559
do a season two. I just don't think so. I

1002
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:55,440
think especially Colin Farrell said, like all that makeup and stuff.

1003
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,239
He was done at the end, but you know it's

1004
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,039
getting watched by lots of people, so who knows.

1005
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, the end, at the end, he's like, oh yeah,

1006
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,119
by the way, my name is not really Victor. It's

1007
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,320
oh god, what's what's clay Face's real name?

1008
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: Uh? Boris Carlow?

1009
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:17,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Boris Carlow And my daughter takes off the face

1010
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,199
and it's just an old guy.

1011
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: He was my daughter.

1012
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: Isn't the dynamic?

1013
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,159
Speaker 1: Isn't he sister?

1014
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: It was his sister. Okay, there you go.

1015
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:33,519
Speaker 1: Basil Carlo the a s I L. Carla's just Basil,

1016
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,519
not Basil's No one's name Basil.

1017
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:42,199
Speaker 2: Though Basil Carlow is. I'm sure there's some Basils out there.

1018
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: A Basil, right, or what was his name, Basil, the

1019
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,920
little fucker that you like.

1020
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:54,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know. Anyways, else are we going? I'm

1021
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:55,199
trying to talk.

1022
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out. It's bugging me because

1023
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,079
I know I thought, Basil, Matthew you okay, I thought

1024
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:06,679
I thought we have screenshot this thing of Bazil. But

1025
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,840
let's see Seattle. Ryan says, Sophia's gonna get Rush to

1026
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,559
do a psychological torture on Oz and make him hurt.

1027
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,800
He's going to May. He's gonna make somehow force Oz

1028
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,320
kill Vic and his ma. Is what Ma wanted? Anyways, Hmmm,

1029
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,480
I think the reason I can't subscribe that you could

1030
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:31,480
be right. I think that, like I imagine if that

1031
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:33,199
were happened. I just don't know if I can see

1032
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,280
Penguin being back to being a mobster, like right, like

1033
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,280
just pick up the Batman and like, oh take easy, sweet,

1034
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:42,480
Like I feel like if he killed his mom and

1035
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,719
Victor against his will, that would be like even more

1036
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,920
so permanently changed him to the fact, Like I just

1037
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,199
think they would break him, you know, Victor not so

1038
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,800
much whatever that's casually, but his mom, if he I

1039
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,159
think it's different if you kill someone and we can

1040
00:46:56,199 --> 00:47:00,239
start talking about that because she met like, hang, I'll

1041
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,159
go back that. I think it's different if you kill

1042
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:04,920
someone and they ask you because you're just putting them

1043
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,679
out of their misery versus like, I don't know her

1044
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,840
like him like using all the fucking tools and like

1045
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:13,320
using Julie Rush as like saw weapons or whatever you

1046
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,199
might have. Like that would be like if you were

1047
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,960
possessed and forced to kill someone you love, that would

1048
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,400
really miss Yet we're like square, like killing Victory Fuxi

1049
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,440
over Penguin can do that, So I don't think that

1050
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:25,880
I could see that way as far as like if

1051
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,159
it's a reverse of Rush doing stuff to Oz, maybe

1052
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:32,719
it's something where maybe they kill his mom and because

1053
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,599
his mom was already sick or she even like tells

1054
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,400
them like just like she says like just let them

1055
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,480
kill me, and they're kind of like He's like, well,

1056
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,920
you got nothing left on me, and that's where they

1057
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,280
go to. Uh Julian say, hey, you know, like the

1058
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,840
intimidation stuff didn't work, so now it's do the pain stuff.

1059
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,599
So I could see him uh doing that on Oz.

1060
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,880
But yeah, in this episode, his mom's not doing too well.

1061
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,159
Multiple times forgetting where she is as far as time wise,

1062
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,159
who she's talking to. She Victory was one of his brothers.

1063
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:04,039
She thought Penguin was her husband, So that's all over

1064
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,000
the place. She's going in and out. She fell asleep

1065
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:09,239
on a bath, so she's just like fucking like frozen

1066
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,840
in there because she's been saying his bath for probably

1067
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,000
hours in a room that has no heat, no hot

1068
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,199
water or anything. So even to start that water is

1069
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,320
probably pretty cold. But and that's when she has a

1070
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,239
conversation with Oz that, Yeah, if I ever get really

1071
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,039
really bad, don't want to be like that person at

1072
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:28,000
home doesn't know where they are. That's just making a sound,

1073
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
which I subscribed to the same theory. Put a fucking

1074
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
bolt in me. If I don't know, if I don't

1075
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,400
know what day of the week it is, you can

1076
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,840
take me out. That's that's why I want to go.

1077
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,920
I don't. I'll hopefully I've had a good life.

1078
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:37,559
Speaker 3: Uh.

1079
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:44,079
Speaker 1: And he said in a movie film, just a snuff

1080
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:45,800
and X rated.

1081
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: Head explosion scene. Yeah, and you know we have his course,

1082
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,480
we have to use this for as many scenes.

1083
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:53,039
Speaker 1: Storry battery was dead. We didn't get it. We didn't

1084
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,840
get it. Yea. So he said he would and this

1085
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,519
was like tons of emotion here from Oz. He's literally crying,

1086
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:04,239
which like, I don't think we've seen Oz cry in

1087
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,239
this year's Yeah, we've seen him be very caring, but

1088
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,840
to cry. And he eventually did agree that he would

1089
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,239
do that, but at first he was again like, no,

1090
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,519
you're my mom. I couldn't do that. And we already

1091
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:13,880
told about stuff with her. At Victory of the end,

1092
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,000
they're dancing and everything, and she was happy. There was

1093
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,599
some heat there. And I love when Sophia walks in,

1094
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,960
she's I'm paraphrase, but she's like, yeah, Oz, that's my boy.

1095
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,280
My boy's OZ. Like just like it's almost like I

1096
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,119
would have said to the writers, like cut that out.

1097
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:30,440
You don't either, Like Sophia's smart enough, She's gonna figure

1098
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,440
out this way. Yeah, my favorite son, Oz cobble pond.

1099
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:38,039
Speaker 3: Like it's just like, Okay, she knew which floor to

1100
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:41,719
go to, like exactly, or she go check every single floor.

1101
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,599
Speaker 2: She checked every door, every door is the last one.

1102
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:47,440
She's all sweaty.

1103
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: There's always a chance, so we could find next week

1104
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,519
there's a chance that she could have just sat outside

1105
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:54,679
of there and wait for Vic to go in and

1106
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,639
then follow him right or even Oz right, like we

1107
00:49:57,679 --> 00:49:58,960
don't know, so that we don't.

1108
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: Hurt in the hallway, that's my son.

1109
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:05,119
Speaker 1: Oz cobbies Fox Sovia, She's.

1110
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:05,599
Speaker 2: Out the window.

1111
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,119
Speaker 1: Fucks Sovia. I love Oz, he is my favorite son.

1112
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: That was the initial draft, and they're like, hey, let's

1113
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:15,039
not do that.

1114
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: Let let's come back a little bit. Let's have her

1115
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,360
just yelled at the apartment though. That's why I was

1116
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,159
probably how you found her tail. She probably heard the

1117
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:25,440
screaming like, oh that doing right there? Yeah, has always

1118
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,679
been a bitch. I hated her father, Oz, my son.

1119
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:35,480
But anyways, Also the other thing, well, I guess we

1120
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,440
could talk about the Ozma I well, no act is

1121
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,760
just tied all together. Also, because there's not much to

1122
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,400
say there. Oz met with all the other I was

1123
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,360
very confused because last week I felt like Sophia met

1124
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,920
with a lot of people. But now there's these other

1125
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,039
powerful families at Oz is meeting with. So maybe I

1126
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,840
would have liked more of a hierarchy because I thought

1127
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,000
that Sophia had like almost all the major gangs or like.

1128
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: The smaller ones, right, like you got the triads with Zoo.

1129
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,639
But we learned that they were small, the Falcones, her family.

1130
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:06,000
They basically cleaned out the Triads and reduced them to

1131
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:07,880
this small portion of the city.

1132
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: So why did they a couple episodes be like, we

1133
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,480
need the Triads like they've made something because they need.

1134
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: They needed a proper distributor to help them. They had

1135
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,079
like the products to do, right, they had the resources,

1136
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,920
and they couldn't go to the Maroni's and they couldn't

1137
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,199
go to the Falcones because this is under their noses, right,

1138
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,480
so they went to the Triads.

1139
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so it's just I guess it was just surprise.

1140
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:29,599
It felt like they made the Triads feel bigger to me,

1141
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:31,159
and then this when they were But yeah, I guess,

1142
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:33,840
so these are I don't know, different gangs. So it's

1143
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,000
not the gangs that Oz got. It's like there, I

1144
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,840
guess in the middle of like Sophia's family gang, and

1145
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,760
then there's like the gang gangs, and then there's like

1146
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,960
these people in the middle and Oz gave them, which

1147
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:47,320
I kind of thought was anti climatic, just like beer cans,

1148
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,360
Like I don't know, it was just like I thought

1149
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,760
there's gonna be something more like.

1150
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,079
Speaker 2: I'm with It seemed a little cheesy. But I will

1151
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:54,920
say I like the moment when they're cracking them at

1152
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,239
the end because it's just like a signifier of them,

1153
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,440
like I agree, I vote, I guess. So I did

1154
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,079
like it in that sense, but it still felt like

1155
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,239
this is strange.

1156
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no see I was automen out. But that's where

1157
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,119
it unsold me. I'm like just going to s characters

1158
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:11,320
things just like all right, like I guess, and then

1159
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,079
they all drink and everything, like at first I was worried, like.

1160
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,519
Speaker 2: Just fucking explodes all over.

1161
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,559
Speaker 1: I was worried. Yeah, I was like poison or something.

1162
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,639
But right before he drank, he's like he was like smiling.

1163
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,079
I was like, oh no, what the fuck did he

1164
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:26,199
do here? But it's for you, all of you. That's

1165
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,039
my son. She's in the back, he's in a poison you.

1166
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,719
She just get my shut the fuck up. But yeah,

1167
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,800
what do you guys think about We talked about, Yeah,

1168
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,559
what we think of the mobster meeting. I guess they've

1169
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:41,440
all these other families have agreed.

1170
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:42,079
Speaker 2: Uh.

1171
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: I guess it's the other thing too. Ti U the

1172
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,679
Triad guy was like, hey, uh, you know Oz he

1173
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,880
fucks people over and he kills people and I was like, yeah,

1174
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:52,840
that's what I do.

1175
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:56,559
Speaker 5: And then he's like, I felt like he didn't still

1176
00:52:56,599 --> 00:53:00,239
give him a good enough reason to join on. They know,

1177
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,559
he's like, I liked ausle and stuff, but it's just like, yeah,

1178
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:04,199
what doesn't mean he still might try to hustle.

1179
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: Ask like I wish there was maybe a bit more.

1180
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,400
It still is like a good enough speech, but that

1181
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,079
complaint in particular, I wish he like addressed it a

1182
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:13,519
bit more.

1183
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:17,519
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, that's fair. I passed the sequence overall just

1184
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:22,280
because yeah, I liked I ended up liking the beer

1185
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,679
can for the vote. You know, I'm glad it wasn't

1186
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,960
much longer than that. They're not like a scene of

1187
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,159
them drinking the beers and like, so, you know, how's

1188
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,320
how's the kids still?

1189
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: To my mom?

1190
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah she loves me.

1191
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: He's fucking all over in time to the thought.

1192
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:42,559
Speaker 2: That's my son, and like you did highlight, Like, yeah,

1193
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,639
there was some some oddities of him just doubling down.

1194
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:47,239
I'm like, yeah, I am, I am going to betray you.

1195
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,519
That's what I do a hustler. It's like, oh, okay,

1196
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,519
I like that. That was a little bit strange, but

1197
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,239
I did like how he put the focus on Sophia

1198
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,079
and the Maronis and especially what Carmine did to the

1199
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,360
triads of just like putting them in that box. And

1200
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,960
I'm assuming they've been there for at least like years, right,

1201
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,760
because like the Karma or the Karma, the Falcones were

1202
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,920
kind of running the town. So I feel like they've

1203
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,679
been kind of itching for him to be gone so

1204
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,800
they can get back. And now here's Cobb being like

1205
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,679
they're right there, like like you guys have the resources,

1206
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:20,760
like let's just fucking do it. Let's all work together

1207
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,159
and just crush them. And then it's it's like they

1208
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:27,199
you need like like a like an ignite, oh my gosh,

1209
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,239
and ignite her to just just light up the town

1210
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,800
and just go take on the Falcones because especially like

1211
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,280
they're at their weakest point, they're not even the Falcones anymore.

1212
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,920
It's it's the Jigants, whoever is like still the remnants

1213
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,440
of that family. So I overall did like the scene,

1214
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,280
but not as clean as it could have been by

1215
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,840
any by any means.

1216
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: And what thoughts on the mom stuff too, Just can

1217
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,239
do that while we're here, or if you have no thoughts.

1218
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: I thought we kind of Oh yeah, oh, I guess

1219
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,519
just yeah, like the emotional stuff and her in the bath.

1220
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:07,840
That was that was just a beautiful scene. That was

1221
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,639
like really interesting to see that side of Cobb. And yeah, no,

1222
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,960
it was. It was like a just a ten out

1223
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,639
of ten scene like it was. It was so good.

1224
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:20,599
It was really like just sad, like thinking about her

1225
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,320
just in that fucking ice bath all evening and just

1226
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,840
like probably doesn't have like the strength to get out,

1227
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,039
especially if she's been in there for that long. Probably's

1228
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:31,159
got fabulous muscle recovery, you know, doing an all night

1229
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,239
ice bath. Uh, she's like Travis swowing up the rivers

1230
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:39,039
in his youth. But yeah, I thought that was I

1231
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:41,079
thought it was just amazing. I don't know it's gonna

1232
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:45,000
be especially that we have in the same episode stuff

1233
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:47,360
like this going on. And then the very last thing

1234
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,280
you see in this episode is Sophia realizing her one

1235
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,000
mortal enemy in this entire world, like the one like

1236
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,360
actual like family member. That's a lie that you thought

1237
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,719
was dead alive now and it's right in front of

1238
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,199
you and you have all this like red in your eyes.

1239
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,599
It's just oh my god, Like I had chills By

1240
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:10,199
the end of that. So I'm very much scared for uh,

1241
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,039
missus missus Cobb there, and it's almost like man like

1242
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,000
she should have just got Cobb to end her right there,

1243
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,440
Like I imagine Sophie is not going to just end

1244
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,280
her easily and cleanly and painless. So yeah, we'll see

1245
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,039
what happens there.

1246
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I really enjoyed seeing all the gang leaders kind

1247
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,519
of get together. I will admit that the beer cans

1248
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,159
did throw me off. I was trying to think that, Okay,

1249
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:36,960
did he just make Bliss beverages now? Like, what's the

1250
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,320
fuck the thing this?

1251
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sos.

1252
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:45,519
Speaker 3: Just came in to Gotham, But I think all and

1253
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,480
I'll like when they concluded it and they're all opening

1254
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,159
up the cans. I really really didn't did enjoy that.

1255
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,800
I thought it was it was fun, and I liked

1256
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,320
how Oz had to shift his He shifted his stance

1257
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,639
because he's trying to preach them like who the me is?

1258
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,079
YadA YadA YadA, and they weren't buying it. And then

1259
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,199
he makes a case in point, but he does it

1260
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:08,840
in a very loud tone, and then when that still

1261
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,360
doesn't work, okay, he retreats. He makes that same case

1262
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,679
in point, but he's much more subtle, much more low

1263
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,920
key about it, and he's talking more about like where

1264
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,079
he's come from and just keeping it really really more

1265
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,119
I'm not gonna say humble, but just more calm, kind

1266
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:26,280
of like grounded, and that's what really just tips them

1267
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,840
over the edge and has them join up. And we're

1268
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,880
dealing with gangs that are not happy with each other too,

1269
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,000
as he was alluding to gangs that are kind of

1270
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:36,079
pissed off with each other, but he's rallied them together,

1271
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:37,760
so it'll be neat to see how they can kind

1272
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,800
of work together in this battle. But yeah, all in all,

1273
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,679
I thought it was a fun, great scene. Yeah, and

1274
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:49,760
then getting with the mom, the bathtub scene was absolutely

1275
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,679
just brutal, just fuck, just what do you do? This

1276
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:56,000
woman's just screaming for help and she's been in this

1277
00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:00,719
cold water all fucking day. Just brutal. But yeah, it

1278
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,960
was a very sincere moment when he had to agree

1279
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,719
to executing her. Uh not great. I feel like my

1280
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,280
mom says that a lot too. You know, I don't

1281
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,159
know if your guys parents say this, My mom will say,

1282
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:14,599
like if if if I if my mind got is

1283
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:16,519
gone I don't recognize you and all that. Just pull

1284
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,159
the plugs, just just do me in.

1285
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like my mom said, don't ever kill me,

1286
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,480
no matter what, don't ever leve the taking.

1287
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: Let me live forever.

1288
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:24,639
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, know my mom says the same.

1289
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,599
Speaker 3: Does your mom say that, Travis?

1290
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:29,519
Speaker 1: I want to ask her.

1291
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: I'll bring up the blue my son.

1292
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:43,719
Speaker 3: I love your muck the carmines. Oh yeah, I think.

1293
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,320
I mean I already spoke like a lot to uh

1294
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:51,039
the mom, I guess earlier. But in closing, just that

1295
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:53,559
end scene of Sophia just sitting there on the mom

1296
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,440
just being there and then Vick's there. Yeah, it's just

1297
00:58:56,719 --> 00:59:03,199
absolutely bonkers, just bonkers. So yeah, he's supposed to be

1298
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,000
on guard and he's just dancing away and having a

1299
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,960
good time. But there should have been more people on

1300
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,199
that building. They really should have.

1301
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, yes and no, because not too many

1302
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:16,320
people know that his mom is alive, right, so he

1303
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,239
can't like go guard the store because my mom. And

1304
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,360
that's the other thing is someone slips. So but I

1305
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,519
did like they added a sound effect like something was

1306
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:24,920
falling or a sound and they kind of looked at it.

1307
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,000
But then didn't really continue, but he should checked and

1308
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:30,920
he'll probably have held to pay next week. Is there

1309
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,760
anything else uh talk about this week before we end this?

1310
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: Oh, they're the uh the Plyers guy with the nose.

1311
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,440
That was kind of a cringe thing to say. And

1312
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:46,760
I must say, like great like ambush angle that he

1313
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,599
got on him, Like he parked his car really close

1314
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:50,559
and then as soon as the guy opened up his door,

1315
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,119
he just goes like in between them and you know,

1316
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:54,719
I was a big guy. There's no way this guy's

1317
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,039
gonna be able to escape from Cob there. And yeah,

1318
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:00,760
really gross usage of the Plyers was kind of cringing

1319
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,079
that whole scene, but I it's happened a few times

1320
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:08,000
this season where like Colin Farrell's just a little one

1321
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,320
and I just fucking love his line deliveries. But yeah,

1322
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,320
when the guy like gets in and he's like fuck man, go,

1323
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:18,559
he's like, you got more room than you think got room.

1324
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:25,320
He's so good at those line deliveries. So I appreciate

1325
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,000
all of them. And yeah, I wanted to shut that out.

1326
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: Well you did, yeah, because I had them my notes

1327
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,480
and I almost wanted to shut that Yeah, just like you

1328
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:32,239
got more room than you think, come on, let's go.

1329
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,679
Speaker 2: This guy's probably like terrified he lost his nose, he's

1330
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:39,159
all shaky, he has to figure out how to get

1331
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:40,800
the power back on tonight.

1332
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: Just brings me back to the pickles and stuff, like

1333
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,159
just those little moments are fantastic. So yeah, it's I'm

1334
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:49,360
so happy we had this series of him. We still

1335
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,400
got two more, but just all this stuff we've gone

1336
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:52,639
so so you know.

1337
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:55,039
Speaker 2: Like the show is getting more amped and like to

1338
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:57,400
its climax that like, you know, we still have time

1339
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,519
for a couple of these little realism blips because like

1340
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:02,280
it really just makes the character more believable.

1341
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:08,239
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, all right, well there we go. We are

1342
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,000
done for today. We will be back next week to

1343
01:01:11,039 --> 01:01:15,079
talk about episode seven, the penultimate episode, and see what's

1344
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,519
gonna happen. It should be should be an interesting one

1345
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,880
and I promise you I'll not be boring Bike. Then