Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Penguin
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mister Field, what do you think about this episode's or sorry,
this week's episode of The Penguin.
Speaker 3: So it had a quick little story narrative that caught
me off guard at the start of the episode, but
I liked it. It wasn't a takeaway by any means,
but I liked it. I think that though everything else
just uh, it's it's furthering. I don't want to say filler,
but it's just it's furthering just where we're where we're
trying to get to. And it definitely was not as
hype as the previous few episodes are. But again I
say that very lightly because it's not a takeaway. This
is just kind of like, to me, this was a
necessary episode to bridge us to the next part of
the story where we're going to get to and I
like that. I like how things feel like they've ramped up.
There's a lot of escalation now and a lot more
risk because when we got to the end of this episode,
I was thinking, holy fuck, I cannot wait to see
the semi finale, semi final, penultimate. As Travis says, yeah,
I cannot wait. I am so looking forward to it
because yeah, holy shit, we're about to throw down. It's
gonna be crazy. But all in all, there was there
was some very intense moments in this in this episode
and some very one particular heartfelt moment that Oz had
it was just yeah, it's just absolutely bonkers, and I
just think that we've got some real interesting developments with
some of our guys. But all in all, I'm excited
to break it down. So yeah, passing the buck.
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot what happened in the very first
of the episodes. I'm like, what do you mean. I'm like, okay,
now now I understand, but yeah, what about you kirkt them?
Speaker 2: What do I think about this episode? I think this
was a fantastic episode. I think the show is remaining
just on the same part of quality that it's been
and uh, yeah, it's pretty crazy that it hasn't like
have had like a like a noticeable dip of like, Okay,
we're finally finally settling down this week, you know, a
bit of a sleeper episode. We're getting ready for next
next week's banger. But every every week is just such
a banger. And I'm I'm just so attached to characters
in the show right now, and I'm getting scared because
I feel like I'm like eighty percent sure they're not
gonna make it, but no, they're doing such a good
job at getting me invested, and really just I think
just getting like attached to, like maybe even not so
good characters and just like like really wanting them to succeed,
even though when I think about it, I'm like, I
don't want these people to succeed their criminals, but still
I am kind of getting excited with just what they're
getting going and what's going on for them and their
business dealings. But rooting for Oz, yeah, exactly, just the
bad guys. So I think the last moment of this
episode has been something that I have been like scared
to be looking forward to, you know, just like waiting
for this. It's like I'm looking at a car crash
that's about to happen, and I know it's gonna happen.
There's nothing I can do to stop it, but I'm
still just looking at it. And now it's like a
final like literally it's like that's so raven like premonition
of it happening. Now I'm seeing it live. I'm like,
oh no, you showing me here, And I cannot wait
for next week now. I'm I'm so so excited for
that to happen and then we'll be sleepy, you know,
it'll be after the twenty four hours stream, but I
can't wait to be doing that review now, and yeah,
I know, I I agree with you theato there's some good,
like emotional stuff that happened here. It was like catching
me off guard because like the show is so good,
you know, mynerspoilers. I'm talking about Oz here very specifically.
He is a piece of shit character, but like I
still am like getting emotionally like attached to this character
and like feeling for him, and then an episode will
happen he'll do something super evil and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I'm reminded that he is an evil character and should
not be reading for him. And then he does something
that's just, i don't know, like very human or whether
it's a relationship with his mom or Vic or something
like that, it's just it just feels very human. So
they're doing such a good job. I'm loving the writing
around this character. And yeah, I feel like the stuff
that's going on with Sophia two is so exciting. I
don't know, I'll just pass the Batona. I just kind
of want to get into the nitty grit. But yeah,
this Stellar Stellar episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you brought up like that's an interesting
thing where like we look at something in Fidney Warre
and somebody wonder where I'm going with this comparison of
Infinny War and Penguin, But just take a ride with
me here. It's like Infinny War was like, okay, they
they told Sano's story, and you know, we had he
had a point and we kind of understood, like, Okay,
we see where he's coming from. He's not a clearcut,
just bad guy and his ways trying to make the
world better and these characters aren't even trying to do that.
But even after in Finny War, so you watch it,
but I'm never like going into the end of Infinity
War or Endgame being like, well, I kind of want
Thanos to win now. At the same time, again, I'm
not wanting that. When we get to The Batman too,
I'm not gonna make like I really hope Oz takes
down Pattison, you know, like I'm not thinking that. But
in this situation, it's difficult because both are characters and
you could argue who is who, But I guess Penguin
because the show's called Penguin. He's our you know, protagonist.
You could argue, like, who do you want to win
in this scenario? Right, and it's stuff because they're both criminals,
they're both doing things that are a little iffy, they're
both doing things that you agree with in a sense
of like you can see a bit where they're coming from.
So I think this episode did a good job of
even minor characters, like there's like it's like a minor sport,
but like the Oz's dancer girlfriend, I was like, oh, man,
like she's putting some situation. I'm like, oh, I feel
a little bad about this where I'm like, I don't
know if I should because she probably knows a lot
of terrible stuff going on as a report. But at
the same time, people are just trying to make their
way by So it's very interesting. I think it's a
I think even though it's a more minor episode as far,
I can't even say that for developments, I think Vic
has a big thing. I think so Villa has a
big thing. I think at the end of this episode
there's a big thing. So I think it was maybe
a little slower, but like kind of that we talk
about many times, that calm before the storm situation. Because
I feel like if we got two episodes left and luckily,
I feel like we have enough time because those are
gonna be both about hours to two hours. We're coming
down the home stretch, especially cause last week we were
talking about this one storyline like oh is this needed?
Where's it gonna go? And I feel like it was
dealt with very like single handly, but then it still
progressed the plot and characters forward. You know. It wasn't like, Okay,
they just got rid of that storyline. That's stupid, that
was a waste of time. No, I think it actually
informs some stuff. So yeah, I think I think next
week's gonna be bad. Good for us to watch, but
I think bad for a lot of the characters. I
think a lot of tragic things are gonna happen, and
we're gonna lose I'm gonna say two people at least,
maybe I'm gonna say two. Maybe a third. Stuff will
be on the finale, but we're we're losing some people,
and it's a I don't think it's gonna be in
nice ways or the you know classic like oh, uh
deserve death. It's like, no, people are gonna go violent
and no, everyone's great. Colin Farrell standout episode. First time
we're seeing Pingle'll get like really really emotional about some stuff. So, yeah,
this is another great episode. I'm excited for next week.
But as always, it's like, oh, that show's coming to
an end, so that's kind of a bummer. But we
will be here. But we still gotta talk about this
episode first. So let's take us will break and then
we'll be right back. We're yeah, I just get the
non spoilers.
Speaker 2: And just imagine if we only did non spoiler episodes.
It's like, kay, yeah, that's it. I guess we have
done it in the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's always like the Doubles, right, It's like.
Speaker 2: Spider Verse, was that one of them Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Wonder Civil War, And I think there's a couple others
in there that like if we saw like a couple
of days early, but even then we still we review
it fully, we just cut out the non spoilers, right,
So but yeah, so, uh, that's let's started the beginning
because we had a we were wondering what's going I'm
still wondering what's going on. So we have Sophia and
the second I saw her looking you know, bare shoulders
and whatnot, I was like, Okay, something's going on here,
and I knew man, my my guy, my favorite doctor
in Arkham, Julian Rush is he's getting some action. Now.
Granted you might look and go like, oh, I don't
know if that's the action want, but clearly this guy
and this is like he's all in. And it kind
of makes sense because they like, there's a study that
shows like people that are in dawnant position and sometimes
in real life they want that type of dynamic in
their sexual world. So if people aren't watching the episode,
Julian Rush is tied to a chair, he has some scratches,
he has a bruise on his stomach, He's very sweaty.
That could be from the sex or the torture. I
don't know, but yeah, Julian Rush and her getting it on.
So I'm kind of and I guess I should have
mentioned too that they did, like they didn't say, but
there's definitely like a time jump, even though it was
like a couple of weeks there. They jumped a little
bit because Aust's lab is running, he has more employees
and gangs working form et cetera.
Speaker 2: Felt like quite a lot of a or it felt
like a significant time jump just because everything is kind
of running and it's not like it's just up and running.
I feel like the time jump isn't as large as
it felt though, like just because of what's going on
with Sophia and certain characters, and it doesn't seem like
she's been hunting as NonStop for a.
Speaker 1: Complete you know.
Speaker 2: That's where like I wish at the end of last week,
even it's they're like, okay, let's let's start gart let's
start getting this stuff up and running, right, and then
we jump here, it's like, okay, stuff's getting up and running.
It would have made it feel like not so much
of a time jumping, yeah, but even then it seems like, yeah,
this this this setup's been running for like a month now,
like at least bare minimum, from from just how every
like the scale of everything and how many people.
Speaker 1: He has, and yeah, I don't know, like the ending
to me felt like, oh, this is gonna be something
that will be up and running in the finale or
the Batman. You know, I didn't think it would be like, oh,
next week, you're here, And that's where it's odd. I
feel like, if you watch some scenes in this episode,
it feels like it's a month or more. And then
if you watch other scenes, it feels like it's been
a few days. Like the way to me Sophia and
Salvatory are talking, it does not feel like it's even
been like a couple of weeks. It feels like it's
maybe been a few days. But like there's because it
feels like they would have actively been on the hunt
for Oz right away. So that's where I take this.
But I guess maybe they just maybe they were just
hoping he would pop up, and they put him on
the back burner for a little bit and he has it.
I don't know. But either way, when this oka ahead,
you go.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, when when Sophia and sal are
like having that dinner and conversing, I was expecting some
sort of dialogue on like what they've been doing the
last few weeks, like like how you know, just why
they haven't found Oz yet, But like the dialogue just
you know, once I stop talking about his family and
some emotional stuff, it's just okay, this weed, we gotta
find him. And it's just I don't know, it just
it felt a little succinct for what should have been happening,
like time frame wise, like it seems like Oz has
been doing stuff and they just kind of paused their
storyline for a little bit. And now that Oz is done,
you know, getting his stuff going, we're unpausing Sofia and
Sal it's like, oh, yeah, no, we gotta get Oz
right away.
Speaker 1: It feels like in a video game where you have
the side quest or main quest right where it's like
Sal and uh, Sophia are on the main quest and
like waiting for Oz, Wayne for Oz. But then as
the video game, Oz like, well, I'm gonna go like
grow some mushrooms for a bit and then I'm gonna
come right back. Like it literally feels like that where
it feels like they are doing something that they're on
the main track of the video game, but Oz is
doing something else even though it's the main story, and
he's gonna go, you know, get some XP and then
circle around before we get back to Rush. What did
you take from the time day? Where were you when
you're watching this?
Speaker 3: Well that's what caught me off guard, because yeah, when
we take this little bit of time jump, I was
not expecting Oz to be going off like, yeah, we're
set up down here after seeing what the condition was before,
and now it's like holy fuck, they got a whole operation.
Speaker 1: They made a lot of work lists.
Speaker 3: Now, like they got their brand on point, they're distributing.
Speaker 2: There's label guys, they got the customer labels.
Speaker 3: They got all of Crown point in here working down
below though not Squid. So it's it was a pretty
impressive operation. So at the end of the day, I
think that to me would be at least a month.
I mean, unless he's got the well.
Speaker 1: And powerful guy, like he has gangs, but he's I
don't think he was at the like if you would
have told me he had taken over all of car
Mines facilities every like just like and so if you
talk to all those people, right, if that was Penguin
and maybe believe it, then it's like, oh, he has
a lot of people, but he still feels like he's
even still like he has like a lot of the
like lower tier. They said that Oz has like a
lot of gangs, so like, I feel like it's a
lot of people that Okay, if you weren't good enough,
even if you weren't squibbed, like if you were even
like below uh school, like if you're just a little
above Squid, that he was like bringing you in to help.
But I know, I guess maybe, I guess you have
nothing else will do. Maybe, right, like that's his life
where it's just like he's got to get out of there,
and I guess he's on a different timetable where they
can like like Karma or like as not Carmina rip
Sophia and uh Sal they can just like take not
They don't have to take their time, but they like
they I don't think they think Oz is coming for
them and they're just getting stuff together, where Penguin is
like living in a place, has no power, his mom
is losing her fucking mind. He could be captain moments.
So maybe he is just like day and night like
this is what he's doing, opposed a Sal like they're
making dinner together, she's fucking jew Like. I don't think
Penguin's doing that right now, you know. I think he's
like yeah, and he's more focused, and that might be
the reason why he like kind of beats him right
it is because he wants it a little more where
they have a little more baggage.
Speaker 2: I don't know, so yeah, I think another thing that
didn't help me with the like the time jumping aspect
to it or making making it feel real. Like the
amount of time that has happened from last week to
this week's episode is that like, Okay, he's got his
thing up and running, but now he's at the point
that he's like trying to get more gangs like on
on their side, and it's just it seems like the
sequence of events is kind of out of order, Like
it seems like maybe he should have been getting more
guys to help build this thing faster and then get
it going. I don't know. I think I'm just over
analyzing it too much, but it just like at the
start of this episode, I'm like, holy fuck, this is
like months months later, Like is this like like yeah,
and I know we got snow now, so it can't
be like springtime, so I guess it's been like a
month or so. But when we have like the the motorcyclist,
like in the opening, you know it's a vic At first,
I'm like this pants and on his bond.
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought that when they put it's Bruce, Yeah,
he's coming that subway, He's like, what's going on?
Speaker 2: He's feeling bliss Now, It's just that's that's his Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 1: This is good ship, Bruce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh, I was expecting Vic to have like
a beard or something like. I thought it was gonna
be like really noticeable of a time difference, but not
so much. Same thing with the mother and the dementia
like progression thing like I thought it was gonna be
hitting so much harder because it has been you know,
significant amount of time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it makes me wonder too if this time
jump has any other any other benefits aside from just
say Oz setting up his little workshop makes me think like, Okay, well,
if we do see the Batman in a couple episodes,
and maybe if like a month goes by, maybe he's
been able to kind of recover a little bit more
after his Riddler.
Speaker 1: Battle, I don't think you're seeing him. I thought I
would have sworn everything he would have been in here,
but Matt Reeves has multiple times Like I know people
can lie, so I but to me, it's not like
a like yeah you never know, like oh no, Like
to me, it's like a don't I get It's like,
don't be disappointed when he's not in here, because they
even because I think they said like it would just
take focus away. I think it depends what the situation is.
I always again just tell myself because that was especially
last week with all the Gang Wars. Everyone's like where
the fuck is Bruce right now? Like there's cars blown up.
But again I just tell myself. They'll probably say in
The Batman too, he was busy doing, you know, with
some some big alligator something like that, you know, like, yeah,
alligator man, like not they know he's killer or Killer Croc,
just like he's not Ozkola Potty's oz Cough. Like we
thought Killer Croc was too comic book, so we just
called him alligator Man, and you know that's his new enemy.
But the other thing it helps the time, at least
a little bit, is Sal's all healed up now too,
so like it, there wasn't like an episode where he
was like like not the weeks where he's like on
a fucking bed like dying and Stuff's like he's healed up,
So I guess that's good. But yeah, so back to
Juan rush uh so he's that's how he got here.
He's tied to a chair. Sophia kicks him out. No,
you're done with me, you know you bored me? Nowsh
going out work to do and I guess I kind
of understood what he meant, hence my name, But he's like, oh,
you know you find Oz, let me know you can
if you need some of my expertise. Like was he
saying that in the doctor or was he just saying
that like when she's mad. I don't think that is.
Speaker 2: It just like heavier punches, heavier punches to the.
Speaker 1: Ribs, She's gonna catch oz and just feel that fired
up that she needs, Like fuck, do you much?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I thought it was like a
torture thing, like if you need me to torture un her,
because I'm a master at that. I did a lot
of that at Arkham. Yeah, Like I also felt like
the way that he was talking to Sophia was like
that wasn't him. But maybe it's just because he was
so in love with her that that's why he made
the switch, which it seems like more so now it
seems like he's just really kinky and horny, or even
if he didn't.
Speaker 1: Do the experiments on her, he did them on like
other people, right or just like that type of stuff.
So yeah, and like that's what I'm curious. We said
he has to play in somehow right and his like expertise.
I I'm gonna hope the thing that is not like yeah,
you like you want to fuck me more in this chair,
Like I think it has to be something. That's why
I'm wondering whether it's Oz or even the fact, like
if they capture Oz's mother and he like I could
just imagine, but yeah, so she thinks it's her husband
or something like that, but no, like, could you imagine
like Oz has to watch like Julian Rush, like do Arkham,
like imagine what Sophia went through in episode four, and
he does like a similar routine to her.
Speaker 2: So I could see the show that's so fucked.
Speaker 1: And that's why, at least I'm not that I want
them happened, because like I like the mom but at
the same time, I kind of want that or even
if it has happens to Oz or Vic, something happened,
because I want to feel like Julian Rush is justified
in being there. Right again, I feel like if this
was a multiple season, two or season show, I'd have
less a problem because oh, he's in her gang, He's
gonna come back. But I'm assuming this show's ending in
two episodes and like like, I guess he was just
there to be horny. Like I think next week he
has to do something with these expertise, I hope. But
would you guys take from mister Rush's playtime and what
he could be up to next week.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, his playtime. I was not expecting that.
I'm having all like the blood of the cuts or
whatever on his neck, So that caught me off guard
a little bit. But I mean, hey, he seems happy.
He seems to be enjoying himself, So I mean, there
you go. Why not get at it what his I mean,
what are his true motivations?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 3: It's just out of love and obsession with Sophia?
Speaker 1: Is that it right now? I'd say that's it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't need a lot more with this character,
Like I feel like he's still someone that could just
be oz, could just shoot him in the head or
just gonna him down and crossfire or something like that.
I don't feel like there's enough of like not.
Speaker 1: Such a waste of screen time. He just gets like
shot in a drive by.
Speaker 2: And like, don't worry Sophia, this my expertise gets shot int.
Speaker 3: I'm curious, but I don't need a lot more of
him just being there for like the sexual torture release
of Sophia like reoccurringly, like he just throw like one
two more scenes in there. Sure, but I don't need
it to be like a consistent, reoccurring thing unless he
can offer something else. And maybe maybe that is an
interpretation that he's just gonna do some torturing stuff. And
like you said to him, torturing h Francis, that'd be
fucking crazy, that would just be super super crazy. But
I don't know if there's enough time to kind of
go like do something like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like there is She's good. I don't even
think next week. It's like I think her his mom's gone,
like when we I think he's gonna find.
Speaker 3: I think she dies on the spot like in there, right.
Speaker 1: Really, I don't.
Speaker 3: I think so Sophia's like I fucking got oz dead
to rights, this is it. I'm gonna kill her and
then boom.
Speaker 1: But I feel like if you kill her, you lose all,
like all the power over him right where if there's
anything kidnapp her well, like because as right now they
don't even know where his operations are, right, we'll talk
about him. We keep saying this was squid. But like
he did say like, oh oh, is like oz grade
and powerful. No one everyone hears him, doesn't see him,
so like they are whatever how many weeks it's been
or days or months. It sounds like everyone knows Oz
is operating, but they don't know where he is. So
that would be a thing where, especially with the bliss,
she might want that drug back.
Speaker 3: Right, So, so are you thinking, uh, Victor's dead and
Francis is taken away.
Speaker 1: No, I think Victor's knocked unconscious and she's taken away
because I just feel like, again Victor, I think Oz
is killing Victor. They're making that weight like that's gonna
be such like a after today's episode, I feel like,
I mean, I think whatever happens with the mum, it's
following me. You are, Victor. Remember a couple of weeks
ago when he's like, you're just gonna give me a
reason to trust me, Solvia, and then I'll own it
back and then like you know, jump to fuck her
and they drive away like Oz is the best to
do in that twist. I hugging him though, like but again,
maybe he'll be at a rage. Maybe it'll be like
because he let his mom get killed, and he's just like,
you motherfucker, like cause he kind of gave him a
job to go back and watch over his mom, right.
Speaker 2: So I feel like there's like the moments too where
Penguin like snaps at at VIC two is like really
really showing of just like how easily he could just
like bear his fangs on him. Like like like when
he when he mentions his brother at the start of
this episode, he's like like, don't ever mention my brother,
Like you don't like to do that or was it
last week when he kept saving his life.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the right to bring up And I
get it because his mom and it's awkward, but still
like he's like just trying to help. He's not trying
to be he's not being like big time in him.
He's just trying to help his mom out, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and he's done that a couple of times.
That's rare. Yeah, I'm getting that impression that, yeah, it's
gonna be a tearful into VIC, but hopefully it works
out for you, Taylor. That would be nice too.
Speaker 3: I'm counting on him staying alive.
Speaker 1: You're counting on him, Yeah, Superhero draft him. But no,
I think he's gone. But yeah, I think that's what's
gonna happen, that she's gonna be gone immediately. And you
because like you don't know what else Penguin might have,
So why not.
Speaker 3: Use a use his mother man down there? Right?
Speaker 1: So the Batman down there?
Speaker 3: Why would they do that's he's got the Batman down there,
who said, you don't know, they don't know, they don't
know whatever what else OZ has?
Speaker 1: Just Oh yeah that's what. Yeah, you found him in
the subway. Wouldn't that be a huge time drum? And
like Batman dude picks up with raw pass like as
like hossage by Oz. But uh no, I don't think
that's happening. But uh yeah, I guess we talk about
it now where Sophia she's on the hunt, Like we said,
we don't know when or where, we don't know the timeline.
But they go to his place, they find she again.
So I'm not that I was wrong, but I said
it was possible. Establishes that, Okay, she did think his
mom was dead, knew about the brothers and everything like
that gives car Ours Salvator a golf club just to
fuck up the whole place, little picture. I felt, he's
someone who cares about it. And no, no, no, they're
all dead. You know, they just had some venison so
that they're.
Speaker 2: So good, so good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they fucking the place, which this was
like an odd I guess it just shows how much
she has going on because she found the picture of
you know this, I can't remember her name, but like
Oz's girlfriend, clay Face or Eve, Yeah, clay Face's sister,
and it's just I kind of thought she was gonna
get to that by herself, because even Eve was like,
oh she saw my face, like she's gonna come find
me my girls. But it's like she needed a photograph
to be reminded of, like right, this girl. So I
was kind of surprised they needed like a photograph. I
thought for sure it was gonna be just like I
figured it out. But they go there and that's where
I was like, oh man, this situation where I felt
bad for her because she didn't of course she lied
about you know, Penguin's Albi Alberta and everything, but she
just got dragged into this and when she had the
gun up to her, I was like, oh man, like
not that I'm like, oh, I need this character to survive,
and I felt bad, like, oh, Sylvia's just gonna kill her,
but Sophia didn't, and Sophia got some information and yeah,
she sold her out. And now I really wonder if
Oz survives this. I think he's gonna kill her. And again,
I'm not trying to say that has anything to do
with Batman too, because who knows. But if again, Penguin
kills his sister, I'm curious if that's a character. But
what do you guys say about the Sophia's hunt and
everything like that?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mind the way that she discovered Eve.
I like too that like she like basically has a
whole drawer in Penguin's apartment, like to you know, like
she must be some have some significance in Penguin's life
to beat to that level. But like how you brought
up that she has seen them together before, I imagine
Penguin's probably been around a lot of you know, women
of the night, so maybe she's just kind of assumed
that it was wasn't anyone too significant there, but to
actually have like you know, some undias a photo and
have like the signature and everything on there, it feels
a lot were personal, So I was fine with how
that went about. I did really like the like the
meeting of the two. I thought that scene was really
really good, great tension, Like I was, I was fifty
to fifty if she was gonna shoot her or not,
and I felt like he felt that, and it's just
really really well done scene because I felt like even
Sophia was unsure like many moments and when Eve asked
her like did you come here to kill me? And
she didn't really answer, I'm like, I don't even think
she knows, Like I don't think she knows what's gonna
happen when she goes some of these situations. So yeah,
I really liked how all that went out and brought
up the Hangman stuff. I like how Sophia was just
like just straight up, like super honest about everything on it,
because for her, it's been like the biggest mislabeling of
her life.
Speaker 1: Right. She also acts like though people should know that
she's like I don't know the Hangman.
Speaker 2: She's like dressed like this like murdered, like yeah, like
it's just.
Speaker 1: Like we don't know your backstory. And it's fine because
it would probably make the scene too long.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm the hangman. Ah, what do you mean.
Speaker 1: All we know is that you're the hangman? Like, oh,
it was just so funny when she says it like
it's common knowledge. And then even like I was surprised
that Eve completely It's fine because like she's right, but
the fact that Eve completely bought everything she said about
Aw saying, oh, we framed me. He knew Carmen was
killing those girls. He didn't tell you about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just like when as Eve, you might think, like, oh,
she's trying to get information out of me. But I
guess maybe her not killing her was just her kind
of like throwing her, you know, hat into the ring
of being Like I guess I'm on the Sofia side.
But like I said, I feel like eventually Ping was
gonna be like only one person knew I was here
that's not dead and it's probably her, And I don't
think she's gonna make it out of the show. Now.
I think Ping's gonna fucking kill her. And like I said,
I don't know what that could get us layer on
down line, but I think she's I think she's a
dead woman now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure, I was totally fine with her
like basically throwing Oz to the wolves like instantly as
soon as she found out of like yeah, you know,
like he helped cover up these things with my father
because he was working for my father, and like it
would make sense why you would be like, yeah, okay,
fuck that guy, Like these are my best friends that
were close to her that he would have known, and
then he was fooling around with her. So yeah, I
totally liked how that played out. And I'm curious. I'm
curious if he is gonna hunt her down and murder
if or if he or if he's just gonna be like, yeah,
no I did actually completely fuck them over. But no,
I think he would actually because especially after Victor, I
think that's gonna be actually after the mom, like once
he realized what's going on with the mom, I think
this is gonna be like a it's gonna be like
a event horizon moment where we're gonna be going into
situations that we can never return from, like like no
matter what, we can never be in this uh Cob
looking out to be like the old gangster right looking
out for a city. I love that moment in the
beginning when him and Vick are kind of looking at
what they made. It's like, look at this, like they're
gonna be writing stories about us, and they're they're just
getting all chummy and happy and yeah, like start of
this episode, I think started next week's episode. It's gonna
be very very different. Uh, just morale around the camp.
Speaker 1: Remember his mom keeps them good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so cobble Pot, you know, the full Penguin's
coming out. He's gonna be wearing a monocle and everything,
top hat and ready to murder people.
Speaker 1: Yeahs even making out of this, ah him or He's
gonna have a nice happy ending for you. They're gonna
actually go They're gonna meet Bruce Bick. We can help
the Green of Gotham like that Stairs ending, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Think you can get like something near the end of that.
Speaker 4: Bruce the Waynes, the cubs walking together, handing out beers, beer,
throwing an al for it, thrown at Jim Gordon, throwing it, throwing.
Speaker 1: It to the the what's his name, the captain? Why
don't you like beer? I'm a wine drinker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we could get a scene of them
basically after Oz is kind of like.
Speaker 1: After Oz that should been our post show.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, after he gets all the way up to
the top, and then he's gonna think, okay, some loose ends,
he's just gonna show up at her door. This could
be like last ten minutes of the finale. Rectify Certain,
Rectify certain in equities, that's right.
Speaker 2: But I liked it.
Speaker 3: I thought. I thought the whole setup with her and
Sofia was fantastic and just kind of like poking back
and forth at the truth here that it It caught
me off card a little bit because I feel like, well, no, no, no,
I guess no, never mind, uh lost my lost my
thought there, it's irrelevant.
Speaker 1: I all.
Speaker 3: I think it was just a good scene. I think
that she she managed to spare her life and when
I said, I'm meaning Eve, she wants to spare her
own life by just being kind of bluntly honest and
realizing there was a common goal. I kind of thought
that Sofia was maybe gonna see like, Okay, you got
like a lot of loyalty here, obviously, and maybe we
can use your crew. Maybe your crew can kind of
like work for you know, the Gigantes. But it's not
the case. He just gave her her life basically, So yeah,
but I think it was a very good, powerful, intense scene.
Speaker 1: Oh give the life, but that means a lot, you know,
that's not just her life, that's everything. So we'll take
our second hand break and then we'll be right back
and we're back. So all right, let's let's talk about
squid here. You know, last week we're a little worried
where it's gonna go. He saw them walking in, and
that's where this was another storyline part where to me,
may it sound like it's only been like a week
at tops, because he's like, I saw you that old lady,
and I haven't seen you around it though, but like
to me, just like he sees Victor go in and
he seems interested, I would think he'd be sitting outside
that like that area every day to try and see
what Victor's up to, especially when he knows like there's
this blister new drug going or anything like that. So
the way he made like it'll have been a couple
of days, So I think there's some things that show,
oh it's been a month something, show has been a
couple of weeks. And then I just be like squaw
talking like it's been three four days but anyway, so
he's like, yeah, you know, I saw you and I'm
wanting what's going on. We used to work together with
the drops and stuff and you know, putting a good
word for me. So Victor's like yeah. Of course, Victor
is very scared. He starts all like, well, I'll see
what I can do. He goes to Oz, which I
love this scene that he tells Oz about his problem
and then Oz kind of ignores him and talks about
his momm He's very worried about that and everything. But
then Oz does go back. He's like, oh, what were
you saying about that guy? Like do you need my
help or anything? And then Victor can read that he's
very busy with his mom says no, it's good. But
I thought they were just making Oz completely ignom At first,
I was like, oh, he's just like a complete shit heal,
he doesn't really care, but then multiple times he brings
it back because unfortunate for Squid, Victor tried to do
the right thing. Well I don't know the right thing
the criminals, but what he thought was the right thing
of not killing him, and he was gonna give him
like a weekly allowance. He's like, hey, they're not looking
for guys right now, but we can. We know this
is your area, so we'll give you some money and
when it's good, I'll bring in. And he was gonna,
you know, pay him off, but then Squid didn't like that.
Oh you just pay me off. I can't remember what
he said. He's a fucking loser school yet you want
to fuck me. That's Julian Rush. That's Julian Rush. Chair. Yeah,
it's a big staple in Gotham. But uh yeah, so
then that happens. He says, no, I don't want the money.
I want to see your boss. Takes him to the boss.
Well not really, because Lollie turns around and shoots him
neck kills him. I guess this is not that I
don't think we thought any otherwise, but a confirmation.
Speaker 2: Him die, he's coming back.
Speaker 1: I think that. I think it's a confirmation at least
of Victor's first time killing somebody. So we got that
he was quite upset. And then I really I thought
a great scene between Oz and Victor after of him
actually hugging him and tell him it gets easier, very
like cold, like a mob boss but still have some warmth.
So I thought all this Victor and Squid stuff was fantastic.
I'm glad this is the way it route it went
because he didn't play into the bigger story, but it
played into Victor's story, so that's good. And I don't
know what that's gonna do for Penguin, and I think
it's well, I guess for Taylor. Taylor thinks that means
he's a made man. He's not gonna get killed, but
I think he's just gonna make it more like I
don't know, heartbreaking for Victor when he looks down and
Penguin's fucking being with a pickle sandwich.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm right there with you, Travis on like
this just adding to the the the unbelievability maybe of
the time skips that are going on. But in hindsight,
I think it's like the perfect amount of squid usage
for this show. Like I would have hated if this
if this Squid character just kept popping up and like
throwing just tax in the in the wheels of the
Penguin show of just like I want to focus on Sophia,
you know, sal Penguin it Like I don't need Squid
as a factor, squirting his little link all over the show.
So I am happy with the amount that it went.
I really really liked pretty much just everything, like one
hundred percent. I thought it was just fan task. I
love when Victor was initially gonna bring it up to
Penguin and then and then he's like, no, this is
something like it's almost like a trial for himself, like
not like I have to be able to handle this.
And I like it too because like he has he
has this like solution like putting a band aid on
the problem of like I'm just gonna pay off, you know,
which is kind of like a crime thing type doing
like I'm gonna I have power. I'm gonna start using
my money to to win this over. But like, this
is so not how Oz would handle the situation. He
would have just beat the ship out of the guy
with his bare hands or like murder him, like right
then and there. So I wonder if that's.
Speaker 1: What Oz was wanting to when he's like, oh, you
can take care of like he never once. I was
wondering if he was gonna ask him if he had
a peace or like, oh, you know, why take care
of it? He just said like, oh, do you got it?
Like do you need help with that? Can you take
care of it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's not an issue. So I wonder if
OZ kind of wanted him to like figure that out,
like yeah, you gotta you canna start killing people now,
you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that's like how it initially was
maybe in the back of his mind. I just think
because he was so focused on his mom, Like initially
it was just like he barely even heard him and
it's like, oh yeah, what was that? And then I
think the real big moment was like afterwards when when
he meets him, because obviously Ozz all fired up with
his plan and it seemed like he had plans for
VIC that night, and then it's like what's going on?
Then he just straight up talks to him. It's like, Okay,
well you're gonna stay home tonight, like we'll get you know,
fresh pair of clothes. And I like how it like
he didn't say what happened, but he could just tell
because obviously he's murdered someone, he's many people. He knows
that it gets easier, as cold as that might be.
But yeah, I liked how like right away it just
he realized what happened, and then he like business wise,
it's like, hey, well did you get out clean? Like
you know, like like any trace, You're all fine, and
then he like gets down to like get emotional, actually
embraces him, Like. I just thought that was such a
powerful scene and one that's gonna come back when when
death finds vic. I think I'm gonna be thinking about
this this scene. But yeah, for I thought it was
such a big like Victor just sequence of events and
initially too, like when Penguin's like just go home, get clean,
get some food, just hang out, I'm like that is
like the worst fucking thing. Like he's just gonna go
alone and just think about the murder that he committed
all night, like completely by himself.
Speaker 1: I thought that was the right thing. Do you want
to work all fucked up?
Speaker 2: No, you're right, you're right, But it's just like I'm mad,
Like if it already fucked him up, he's gonna go
hold like a cold apartment, no power and just like
scraping blood off of his nikes, but uh.
Speaker 1: With his jack dumb move with your jacket, like getting
the blood on here. Definitely his first time.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else he would have done, though,
like to make that's that that better? I don't think
you can.
Speaker 1: You've earned the shoes and get new ones.
Speaker 2: I'm saying for psyche, like like how to, how to
what he should do on his free night. But I
guess he still look after the mom So now I was.
Speaker 1: Like, this sounds bad because like I've not killed anybody,
but I get that mind set of like I think,
if bad it happens, I like that where I like something. Oh,
I like to be by people I think eventually have
to be but I sometimes big, I just need to
be like quiet, solitary room, get through the thoughts and
then like okay go and then clonk out. Clonk out
is the best thing because then you wake up like okay,
I'm good, I'm good to handle it.
Speaker 2: Cut what hard time?
Speaker 1: Me to a chair? Oh that's such a bad day.
But no, so I thought that was the right move
that him, Like, I know he's gonna be thinking about it,
you know. So but hey, and he was there and
they got power and he had a dance.
Speaker 2: That was really really lovely moment. Yeah, until it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Which I worried she's gonna be come hang man, I
was worried to I was gonna walk in and they'd
be dancing and get like mad or something like that.
Just comes in. Yeah, in the morning they're unclothed and
that's not what you think.
Speaker 2: Strapped the chair, there's no shirt on it. Tell me
to clonk out what that means.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Taylor. How did you feel about Squatter?
Are you sad to see it go? Uh?
Speaker 3: No, we hardly knew. I think yeah, I think it's fitting.
You know, we had him for not even I mean
three different episodes, but it felt like we really had
him for less than that. He just really wasn't.
Speaker 1: Is this screen time altogether even five minutes?
Speaker 2: I wonder I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's five minutes. No, he was on
the roof for like thirty seconds and then he sees
the mum and him for like five yeah, five seconds.
Speaker 1: So he's doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're pretty therefore, thank you.
Speaker 1: I could be Squid in The Batman too if they
didn't got a recast.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna so sub three minutes that might be
pushing it, but I'd say it's close to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to think about the scenes. I'm
talking to Victory Day, like how long they were and.
Speaker 2: The first I guess that was over three minutes probably alone,
just just far.
Speaker 1: Off though, so someone someone gets that runtime very important question.
What was Squid's run time? And I'm gonna if I
ever talked about reason, like why didn't you even more
screen time in Penguin?
Speaker 2: You know when you like search up like the Penguin,
and then it'll be like the first like article is
like spoiler, like you know something, it's be like Squid's
run time.
Speaker 1: The first one one dot Com like the other one
I saw when I was like getting Penguin the stream
ready and I searched Penguin and then it was on
Twitter where it was like, uh was like comic dot
com or something. They had this article and then the
headline was like Penguin introduces twisted Romance, but it was
a picture of like Sophie and ping one together. So
it's like, you bastard, It's like that's not what is
happening here, So like they're just trying to get the clicks.
But it's like, yeah, I guess she did tie offs
to a chair. She likes tying dudes to a chair, right,
so they think she was doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: Tied up, she shut up? What's his face too, the
guy that she shot and.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, geez, yeah she's look, don't cross her. You know.
Speaker 3: I truly thought that Squid was going to make it
out of this episode at least but drop some information,
Like he kept pushing this lock. He was throwing around
shade like, oh maybe I'll go talk to the people
that are looking for Oz. Get some real get the
real money. So he was I mean, he's definitely a
filler character for filler episode at this point because he's done,
and I think that he really just serves to change
Victor in some shape or form.
Speaker 1: But well, but he's not filler then if he if
he's going towards Victor's character, you know, killing someone big step.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's true. It'll be interesting to see where
Victor is in the wake of that the follow to that,
if he's not shot in the head but soon to
be six ft under.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I don't think it's. I really don't like
I think it is. I really don't see any other scenario,
Like if you're asking me about bout Sophia, I could
give you like a small percentage that she could make
it out, but I'll give you like a point one
percent that Victor's making out of the show alive, you know,
like I really like and even then I would say,
like be killed by Penguin. I don't think Sophia would
kill him. No, in this it's like she would because
Sophia don't give a fuck. But like I know, I
think it's just all he's a dead man also hasn't
But maybe maybe he'll be wrong, maybe he'll be side
by side with Ollz and he'll be like some sort
of goon. But I just doubt it.
Speaker 2: So but like you know, if let's say, for his sake,
best case scenario, he lives on and he's just penguins
right hand man. Like I feel like by the time
we get to because we're not getting a second season,
if we're going into the Batman too, I just don't
really care anymore about that dynamic, as like as bad
as that sounds, because I am at this screen time. Yeah,
so they're not there, Like we're not gonna have a
sequence of like them like talking and having like one
on one really like human conversation it's gonna be following
Robert Pattinson and what his story is. So I think
for it just makes sense. It just makes sense to
have that character contained to the show.
Speaker 1: Unless there is some chance, and like, I don't think
there is. But unless there is some chance, I left
some things open to be like, hey, we could always
do a season two. I just don't think so. I
think especially Colin Farrell said, like all that makeup and stuff.
He was done at the end, but you know it's
getting watched by lots of people, so who knows.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the end, at the end, he's like, oh yeah,
by the way, my name is not really Victor. It's
oh god, what's what's clay Face's real name?
Speaker 1: Uh? Boris Carlow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Boris Carlow And my daughter takes off the face
and it's just an old guy.
Speaker 1: He was my daughter.
Speaker 2: Isn't the dynamic?
Speaker 1: Isn't he sister?
Speaker 2: It was his sister. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: Basil Carlo the a s I L. Carla's just Basil,
not Basil's No one's name Basil.
Speaker 2: Though Basil Carlow is. I'm sure there's some Basils out there.
Speaker 3: A Basil, right, or what was his name, Basil, the
little fucker that you like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know. Anyways, else are we going? I'm
trying to talk.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out. It's bugging me because
I know I thought, Basil, Matthew you okay, I thought
I thought we have screenshot this thing of Bazil. But
let's see Seattle. Ryan says, Sophia's gonna get Rush to
do a psychological torture on Oz and make him hurt.
He's going to May. He's gonna make somehow force Oz
kill Vic and his ma. Is what Ma wanted? Anyways, Hmmm,
I think the reason I can't subscribe that you could
be right. I think that, like I imagine if that
were happened. I just don't know if I can see
Penguin being back to being a mobster, like right, like
just pick up the Batman and like, oh take easy, sweet,
Like I feel like if he killed his mom and
Victor against his will, that would be like even more
so permanently changed him to the fact, Like I just
think they would break him, you know, Victor not so
much whatever that's casually, but his mom, if he I
think it's different if you kill someone and we can
start talking about that because she met like, hang, I'll
go back that. I think it's different if you kill
someone and they ask you because you're just putting them
out of their misery versus like, I don't know her
like him like using all the fucking tools and like
using Julie Rush as like saw weapons or whatever you
might have. Like that would be like if you were
possessed and forced to kill someone you love, that would
really miss Yet we're like square, like killing Victory Fuxi
over Penguin can do that, So I don't think that
I could see that way as far as like if
it's a reverse of Rush doing stuff to Oz, maybe
it's something where maybe they kill his mom and because
his mom was already sick or she even like tells
them like just like she says like just let them
kill me, and they're kind of like He's like, well,
you got nothing left on me, and that's where they
go to. Uh Julian say, hey, you know, like the
intimidation stuff didn't work, so now it's do the pain stuff.
So I could see him uh doing that on Oz.
But yeah, in this episode, his mom's not doing too well.
Multiple times forgetting where she is as far as time wise,
who she's talking to. She Victory was one of his brothers.
She thought Penguin was her husband, So that's all over
the place. She's going in and out. She fell asleep
on a bath, so she's just like fucking like frozen
in there because she's been saying his bath for probably
hours in a room that has no heat, no hot
water or anything. So even to start that water is
probably pretty cold. But and that's when she has a
conversation with Oz that, Yeah, if I ever get really
really bad, don't want to be like that person at
home doesn't know where they are. That's just making a sound,
which I subscribed to the same theory. Put a fucking
bolt in me. If I don't know, if I don't
know what day of the week it is, you can
take me out. That's that's why I want to go.
I don't. I'll hopefully I've had a good life.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And he said in a movie film, just a snuff
and X rated.
Speaker 2: Head explosion scene. Yeah, and you know we have his course,
we have to use this for as many scenes.
Speaker 1: Storry battery was dead. We didn't get it. We didn't
get it. Yea. So he said he would and this
was like tons of emotion here from Oz. He's literally crying,
which like, I don't think we've seen Oz cry in
this year's Yeah, we've seen him be very caring, but
to cry. And he eventually did agree that he would
do that, but at first he was again like, no,
you're my mom. I couldn't do that. And we already
told about stuff with her. At Victory of the end,
they're dancing and everything, and she was happy. There was
some heat there. And I love when Sophia walks in,
she's I'm paraphrase, but she's like, yeah, Oz, that's my boy.
My boy's OZ. Like just like it's almost like I
would have said to the writers, like cut that out.
You don't either, Like Sophia's smart enough, She's gonna figure
out this way. Yeah, my favorite son, Oz cobble pond.
Speaker 3: Like it's just like, Okay, she knew which floor to
go to, like exactly, or she go check every single floor.
Speaker 2: She checked every door, every door is the last one.
She's all sweaty.
Speaker 1: There's always a chance, so we could find next week
there's a chance that she could have just sat outside
of there and wait for Vic to go in and
then follow him right or even Oz right, like we
don't know, so that we don't.
Speaker 2: Hurt in the hallway, that's my son.
Speaker 1: Oz cobbies Fox Sovia, She's.
Speaker 2: Out the window.
Speaker 1: Fucks Sovia. I love Oz, he is my favorite son.
Speaker 2: That was the initial draft, and they're like, hey, let's
not do that.
Speaker 1: Let let's come back a little bit. Let's have her
just yelled at the apartment though. That's why I was
probably how you found her tail. She probably heard the
screaming like, oh that doing right there? Yeah, has always
been a bitch. I hated her father, Oz, my son.
But anyways, Also the other thing, well, I guess we
could talk about the Ozma I well, no act is
just tied all together. Also, because there's not much to
say there. Oz met with all the other I was
very confused because last week I felt like Sophia met
with a lot of people. But now there's these other
powerful families at Oz is meeting with. So maybe I
would have liked more of a hierarchy because I thought
that Sophia had like almost all the major gangs or like.
Speaker 3: The smaller ones, right, like you got the triads with Zoo.
But we learned that they were small, the Falcones, her family.
They basically cleaned out the Triads and reduced them to
this small portion of the city.
Speaker 1: So why did they a couple episodes be like, we
need the Triads like they've made something because they need.
Speaker 3: They needed a proper distributor to help them. They had
like the products to do, right, they had the resources,
and they couldn't go to the Maroni's and they couldn't
go to the Falcones because this is under their noses, right,
so they went to the Triads.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so it's just I guess it was just surprise.
It felt like they made the Triads feel bigger to me,
and then this when they were But yeah, I guess,
so these are I don't know, different gangs. So it's
not the gangs that Oz got. It's like there, I
guess in the middle of like Sophia's family gang, and
then there's like the gang gangs, and then there's like
these people in the middle and Oz gave them, which
I kind of thought was anti climatic, just like beer cans,
Like I don't know, it was just like I thought
there's gonna be something more like.
Speaker 2: I'm with It seemed a little cheesy. But I will
say I like the moment when they're cracking them at
the end because it's just like a signifier of them,
like I agree, I vote, I guess. So I did
like it in that sense, but it still felt like
this is strange.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no see I was automen out. But that's where
it unsold me. I'm like just going to s characters
things just like all right, like I guess, and then
they all drink and everything, like at first I was worried, like.
Speaker 2: Just fucking explodes all over.
Speaker 1: I was worried. Yeah, I was like poison or something.
But right before he drank, he's like he was like smiling.
I was like, oh no, what the fuck did he
do here? But it's for you, all of you. That's
my son. She's in the back, he's in a poison you.
She just get my shut the fuck up. But yeah,
what do you guys think about We talked about, Yeah,
what we think of the mobster meeting. I guess they've
all these other families have agreed.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I guess it's the other thing too. Ti U the
Triad guy was like, hey, uh, you know Oz he
fucks people over and he kills people and I was like, yeah,
that's what I do.
Speaker 5: And then he's like, I felt like he didn't still
give him a good enough reason to join on. They know,
he's like, I liked ausle and stuff, but it's just like, yeah,
what doesn't mean he still might try to hustle.
Speaker 1: Ask like I wish there was maybe a bit more.
It still is like a good enough speech, but that
complaint in particular, I wish he like addressed it a
bit more.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, that's fair. I passed the sequence overall just
because yeah, I liked I ended up liking the beer
can for the vote. You know, I'm glad it wasn't
much longer than that. They're not like a scene of
them drinking the beers and like, so, you know, how's
how's the kids still?
Speaker 3: To my mom?
Speaker 2: Yeah she loves me.
Speaker 1: He's fucking all over in time to the thought.
Speaker 2: That's my son, and like you did highlight, Like, yeah,
there was some some oddities of him just doubling down.
I'm like, yeah, I am, I am going to betray you.
That's what I do a hustler. It's like, oh, okay,
I like that. That was a little bit strange, but
I did like how he put the focus on Sophia
and the Maronis and especially what Carmine did to the
triads of just like putting them in that box. And
I'm assuming they've been there for at least like years, right,
because like the Karma or the Karma, the Falcones were
kind of running the town. So I feel like they've
been kind of itching for him to be gone so
they can get back. And now here's Cobb being like
they're right there, like like you guys have the resources,
like let's just fucking do it. Let's all work together
and just crush them. And then it's it's like they
you need like like a like an ignite, oh my gosh,
and ignite her to just just light up the town
and just go take on the Falcones because especially like
they're at their weakest point, they're not even the Falcones anymore.
It's it's the Jigants, whoever is like still the remnants
of that family. So I overall did like the scene,
but not as clean as it could have been by
any by any means.
Speaker 1: And what thoughts on the mom stuff too, Just can
do that while we're here, or if you have no thoughts.
Speaker 2: I thought we kind of Oh yeah, oh, I guess
just yeah, like the emotional stuff and her in the bath.
That was that was just a beautiful scene. That was
like really interesting to see that side of Cobb. And yeah, no,
it was. It was like a just a ten out
of ten scene like it was. It was so good.
It was really like just sad, like thinking about her
just in that fucking ice bath all evening and just
like probably doesn't have like the strength to get out,
especially if she's been in there for that long. Probably's
got fabulous muscle recovery, you know, doing an all night
ice bath. Uh, she's like Travis swowing up the rivers
in his youth. But yeah, I thought that was I
thought it was just amazing. I don't know it's gonna
be especially that we have in the same episode stuff
like this going on. And then the very last thing
you see in this episode is Sophia realizing her one
mortal enemy in this entire world, like the one like
actual like family member. That's a lie that you thought
was dead alive now and it's right in front of
you and you have all this like red in your eyes.
It's just oh my god, Like I had chills By
the end of that. So I'm very much scared for uh,
missus missus Cobb there, and it's almost like man like
she should have just got Cobb to end her right there,
Like I imagine Sophie is not going to just end
her easily and cleanly and painless. So yeah, we'll see
what happens there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I really enjoyed seeing all the gang leaders kind
of get together. I will admit that the beer cans
did throw me off. I was trying to think that, Okay,
did he just make Bliss beverages now? Like, what's the
fuck the thing this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sos.
Speaker 3: Just came in to Gotham, But I think all and
I'll like when they concluded it and they're all opening
up the cans. I really really didn't did enjoy that.
I thought it was it was fun, and I liked
how Oz had to shift his He shifted his stance
because he's trying to preach them like who the me is?
YadA YadA YadA, and they weren't buying it. And then
he makes a case in point, but he does it
in a very loud tone, and then when that still
doesn't work, okay, he retreats. He makes that same case
in point, but he's much more subtle, much more low
key about it, and he's talking more about like where
he's come from and just keeping it really really more
I'm not gonna say humble, but just more calm, kind
of like grounded, and that's what really just tips them
over the edge and has them join up. And we're
dealing with gangs that are not happy with each other too,
as he was alluding to gangs that are kind of
pissed off with each other, but he's rallied them together,
so it'll be neat to see how they can kind
of work together in this battle. But yeah, all in all,
I thought it was a fun, great scene. Yeah, and
then getting with the mom, the bathtub scene was absolutely
just brutal, just fuck, just what do you do? This
woman's just screaming for help and she's been in this
cold water all fucking day. Just brutal. But yeah, it
was a very sincere moment when he had to agree
to executing her. Uh not great. I feel like my
mom says that a lot too. You know, I don't
know if your guys parents say this, My mom will say,
like if if if I if my mind got is
gone I don't recognize you and all that. Just pull
the plugs, just just do me in.
Speaker 2: And I'm like my mom said, don't ever kill me,
no matter what, don't ever leve the taking.
Speaker 3: Let me live forever.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, know my mom says the same.
Speaker 3: Does your mom say that, Travis?
Speaker 1: I want to ask her.
Speaker 2: I'll bring up the blue my son.
Speaker 3: I love your muck the carmines. Oh yeah, I think.
I mean I already spoke like a lot to uh
the mom, I guess earlier. But in closing, just that
end scene of Sophia just sitting there on the mom
just being there and then Vick's there. Yeah, it's just
absolutely bonkers, just bonkers. So yeah, he's supposed to be
on guard and he's just dancing away and having a
good time. But there should have been more people on
that building. They really should have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, yes and no, because not too many
people know that his mom is alive, right, so he
can't like go guard the store because my mom. And
that's the other thing is someone slips. So but I
did like they added a sound effect like something was
falling or a sound and they kind of looked at it.
But then didn't really continue, but he should checked and
he'll probably have held to pay next week. Is there
anything else uh talk about this week before we end this?
Speaker 2: Oh, they're the uh the Plyers guy with the nose.
That was kind of a cringe thing to say. And
I must say, like great like ambush angle that he
got on him, Like he parked his car really close
and then as soon as the guy opened up his door,
he just goes like in between them and you know,
I was a big guy. There's no way this guy's
gonna be able to escape from Cob there. And yeah,
really gross usage of the Plyers was kind of cringing
that whole scene, but I it's happened a few times
this season where like Colin Farrell's just a little one
and I just fucking love his line deliveries. But yeah,
when the guy like gets in and he's like fuck man, go,
he's like, you got more room than you think got room.
He's so good at those line deliveries. So I appreciate
all of them. And yeah, I wanted to shut that out.
Speaker 1: Well you did, yeah, because I had them my notes
and I almost wanted to shut that Yeah, just like you
got more room than you think, come on, let's go.
Speaker 2: This guy's probably like terrified he lost his nose, he's
all shaky, he has to figure out how to get
the power back on tonight.
Speaker 1: Just brings me back to the pickles and stuff, like
just those little moments are fantastic. So yeah, it's I'm
so happy we had this series of him. We still
got two more, but just all this stuff we've gone
so so you know.
Speaker 2: Like the show is getting more amped and like to
its climax that like, you know, we still have time
for a couple of these little realism blips because like
it really just makes the character more believable.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, all right, well there we go. We are
done for today. We will be back next week to
talk about episode seven, the penultimate episode, and see what's
gonna happen. It should be should be an interesting one
and I promise you I'll not be boring Bike. Then