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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we

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left off with the Tovin Noel interview with the OIG investigators. Question, Okay,

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now we're going to get into a little more of

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the specific stuff. Was there a medical emergency in the

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shoe on the morning of August tenth, twenty nineteen, Noel? Yeah.

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Question why was the medical emergency called? Noel? Because when

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I opened the grill and Thomas went to go feed,

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he knocked on the door. He got no response, and

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he opened the door and then he started saying, get

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the cutter, and I heard I was on the grill.

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I heard when he ripped something and he started CPR. Question. Okay,

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when was the medical emergency called Noel at that time? Question?

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How soon after Thomas entering he gets cut off by Noel.

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When he opened the door, he yelled to get the cutter. Noel,

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I had the audio on. Question was he already in

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the cell at that time or had he not gone

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in yet? Noel, he was in the cell. Question. So

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he walked into the cell and he yelled out did

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he come back out of the cell and yelled to

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you Noel, No question, he yelled from within. Noel. Yeah. Question.

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Could you see him at that time? Noel? Could I

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see him? No question? No. And from the time that

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he was discovered to the time of your call, about

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how much time passed from him saying entering the cell

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and the time that the medical emergency was called by you? Noel.

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She goes to answer, but she gets cut off by

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the lawyer. Are we talking about like five seconds? Noel? Yeah,

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Noel is second as soon as he said it, I

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did it. Question. Oh, so, like there's a button you

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just hit Noel, Yeah, because the button is on my radio. Question.

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And did you call it in at that time? Noel. No.

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Once you hit it, everybody's coming. Question. All right, so

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there is nothing that you call in? You just push

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a button Noel. Yeah. Right. So at the second he

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told you to get the cutter, you hit the medical

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emergency Noel. Yeah. Question did he say anything about what

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he saw? Noel, when he got when he entered the

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room and he said to get the cutter. Before I

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got the cutter, I heard him tear something and then

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he lowered him to the floor. That's when I saw

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him and he started CPR. Question all right. So he

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never said like Epstein hung himself or what he saw.

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He just said, get the cutter, Noel. He said, get

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the cutter. And then I started CPR and he kept saying, breathe, Epstein, breathe,

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and he was like, we're going to be in so

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much trouble. Question And where were you when he was

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doing that? Noel on the grill? Question were you in

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the position to be able to see anything in there? Noel?

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No question? At any time? Did you see anything in there? Noel,

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no question. Did you ever see Epstein in the cell? Noel,

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no question. So you never even went over to like

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look in Noel? No question. Okay, so you didn't actually

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have to call anything over the radio. It was just

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a simple push of a button, Noel. A button. Question

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And around what time did you say that Epstein was

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last fed? Noel after ten question? After ten pm? Noel,

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I mean, not after when they fed him in the cell.

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I guess after eight or nine. Question sometime between eight

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or nine pm, Noel, when I came back from the bathroom.

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Question and who was it that fed him? Noel? Me

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question you fed him? Noel? Yeah. Question And did you

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say that at that point did you actually talk with him? Noel,

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no question. Okay. And did you or anyone else recover

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his food tray? Noel, I don't know if somebody did,

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not me. Question. But you didn't do it, Noel, no question.

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Who else could have done it if it wasn't you, Noel,

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I don't know, because after the medical emergency, nobody's allowed

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to go in the room. So question. So you're just

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not sure if by the time you fed him in

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that medical emergency, if it was ever recovered, Noel, right, question,

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all right, So when you fed him, can you just

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again refresh my memory? Was it that you saw with

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Epstein when you gave him the food? Question? He gets

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like microwavable food, So I just handed it to him

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through the slot and he took it. Question, okay. And

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any instance where you saw him from the shower to

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the last time you said you saw him between ten

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and ten thirty or whatever, it was, anything unusual, Noel, No,

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Nothing that caught or like raised your suspicion, Noel, no question.

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No like distress or saying anything like that with him, Noel,

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no question. And you're sure when you saw him at

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ten ten thirty that he was alive? Noel. Yes, he

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put up his hand. Question. He put up his hand

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and wasn't like hanging against the bed when he put

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it up, Noel. No question. Where we he located? Noel

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on the floor on a mattress. Question, So he was

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like sleeping, Noel. He was lying on the floor on

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the mattress and he had the machine. Question and he

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had the machine on him Noel, yeah, question okay, And

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when you look through his window, right, what if his

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body could you see? Noel on his head his hand

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and like maybe to mid there? Question the best of

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the body Noel, like under his head? Question? So he

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was laying facing the wall Noel. Yeah, he was facing

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like this big and discernible. Is this way? The mattress

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was here on the floor, like in front of the

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bunk on the floor. Question and the sea pat machine

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was it already attached to him? Noel? Yeah, he had

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it on question. I'm not following what you're saying about that.

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So the mattress was laying like Noel cuts him off

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the mattress was like, how you just take it off

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the bunk and you put it on the floor. Well,

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he shoves it to the corner. Question, And he was

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laying on it. He was laying on it like the

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direction of the mattress, Lenen. Noel, that the mattress is

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going yeah, question all right, So he wasn't like or

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a T shape Noel. No, all right, so he was

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like Noel cuts him off the direction of the mattress.

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Question Okay, you want to ask more on that another investigator.

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No just had that quick question. And you said, to

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your knowledge, no one else saw him between the time

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you last saw him and when Michael discovered him. Noel. Right.

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Question did you hear anything from epstein Cell between ten

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thirty pm and six thirty three am, Noel, no question.

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No like movement talking or like a crash Noel, No

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question anything like that. And about how far away from

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epstein cell when Thomas went in, Noel, I don't know.

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The grill is right here and the door is right there.

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Question So I mean, is it like, so this is foot?

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This is two feet? This is three feet? Noel? A foot?

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Question a foot? Noel. From the grill to the door

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right here, but he's inside, so question right, Noel, I'm

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not in there. So from the grill to the actual

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door about a foot? Question about a foot? Noel? Yeah. Question,

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Now was the grill door? Is that a door that

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is closed? Was it closed or was it open? Noel?

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I opened it and then Thomas goes in question. Okay,

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so it was open when Thomas entered the cell, Noel,

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I opened it and I opened the grill for him

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to go in, right, And did it remain open? Noel? Yes?

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But she gets cut off? Or did you close it

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behind you? Noel? No, I'm standing there, so it's open. Question.

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So you're only a foot away from mister Epstein's cell

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door though, Noel. Yes. Question and you never looked in, Noel?

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No question? Was it because why didn't you look in? Noel?

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Because usually the door is not open. His intention is

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to feed, so he would just open the slot and

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put the food in. When he knocked, he didn't get

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no answer. So that's when Thomas opened the door and

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went in. I stood on the grill and as soon

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as he opened the door he went in, he started screaming,

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get the cutter. So I hit the body alarm because

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I have to. When everybody's coming, I have to let

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them in. I never went in question. Okay, So after

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he made the call, did you go get the cutter?

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And bring it back to him. Noel. No, I didn't

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get the cutter because he didn't need it. Question because

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of rip something Noel, Yeah. Question and you actually heard

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it rip Noel, I heard it rip. Question okay? And

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the reason why? And then you left the grill to

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go let people in? Noel, yes? Question? All right. So

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how long after Mike Thomas went into the room did

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you leave the grill station door that was a foot

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away from Epstein's door. Noel, maybe like two or three minutes? Question?

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he was conducting CPR. Noel, yeah. Question and at that

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time never once did did you actually look in to

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see what he was doing? Noel. No question, even though

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it was just a foot away. Noel, right. Question, And

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that's what I'm asking you. Noel. No, by that time,

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when he's conducting CPR, I can see because he lowered

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him to the floor, and I could question. And that's

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what I'm asking So you could see him lower him

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to the floor. Question. Yeah, I could see when he

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lowered him to the floor. Question. This is where I

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want to make sure that where I'm asking you that

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you could see inside Noel, Oh, no, I can't see

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inside the cell. I could only see Thomas doing CPR. Question.

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he lowered him to the floor. Question, So this is

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what I want to know. What did you see? So

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what you could see from where you were standing? What

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could you see everything? Because I'm getting confused with what

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you're telling me. I thought you said you never looked

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in you never saw anything. What did you see from

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the moment the medical emergency occurred? So he walked to

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the door. What do you see? Noel? He goes in

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the door. First, I don't see anything. I hear the

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rip and then he lowers him to the floor. Question Okay,

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so just back up. What do you mean by lowering

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him to the floor. Did you watch him rip or

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just heard Noel? I heard the rip? Question Okay, Noel,

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it's just like this. He's holding him like this and

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he puts him onto the floor to start CPR. Question.

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don't remember how he held them directly, but he lowered

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him to the floor. I don't remember how he the

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details of how he lowered him to the floor. Question.

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So he somewhere on his upper body, then lowered him

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to his like butt to the floor Noel. Yeah. Question,

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and then he allowed him to drop or did he

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place him Noel, No, he didn't allow him to drop.

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He had him all the way. Question. So at all

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times he maintained control of Epstein's body and brought him

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to the floor Noel, yes. Question. And you witnessed all

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of this, Noel. I just only witnessed when the top

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part of his body went to the floor. Question. Okay,

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and at that time did like and we have to

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ask this just because of you know, the autopsy and

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things like that. Did he smash against the floor Noel?

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No question? All right, so everything was like gentle Noel. Yeah.

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Question from you heard it rip? Did you ever hear

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like sound hear him like land on the floor Noel.

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No question. So you didn't hear like, all right, he

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ripped this thing. So you think he ripped it and

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then he may maintain control of him Noel. Probably, I

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didn't see that part. I just only heard the rip.

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Question all right, But you did see did you see

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his body after the rip hit the floor? Noel? No question.

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butt is on the floor and his upper body is up.

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And that's when you witnessed him now bringing him down

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to the floor. Noel. He brought him down to the floor.

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I can't see the other half of his body, so

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I don't know. Question what part of his body do

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you see? Noel, just the top part, like torso up

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and he's bringing him down. Question all right, And then

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did you see him when you say CPR? What kind

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of CPR was given? Noel, chess compressions. Question any kind

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of mouth to mouth Noel? No question. Did he ever

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check for his vitals? Did he ever check to see

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if he was a live first? Noel, I don't know.

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breath or check for a pulse? Noel, I didn't see that.

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Question you didn't see either, Noel. No, I'm just giving

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him compressions. I just seen him giving him compressions. Question

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him up or hit him or anything like that, Noel, No,

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just compressions. Question. Did you have any communication with Thomas

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while he was doing this? Noel? No. All right, folks,

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we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode,

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