Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
left off with the Tovin Noel interview with the OIG investigators. Question, Okay,
now we're going to get into a little more of
the specific stuff. Was there a medical emergency in the
shoe on the morning of August tenth, twenty nineteen, Noel? Yeah.
Question why was the medical emergency called? Noel? Because when
I opened the grill and Thomas went to go feed,
he knocked on the door. He got no response, and
he opened the door and then he started saying, get
the cutter, and I heard I was on the grill.
I heard when he ripped something and he started CPR. Question. Okay,
when was the medical emergency called Noel at that time? Question?
How soon after Thomas entering he gets cut off by Noel.
When he opened the door, he yelled to get the cutter. Noel,
I had the audio on. Question was he already in
the cell at that time or had he not gone
in yet? Noel, he was in the cell. Question. So
he walked into the cell and he yelled out did
he come back out of the cell and yelled to
you Noel, No question, he yelled from within. Noel. Yeah. Question.
Could you see him at that time? Noel? Could I
see him? No question? No. And from the time that
he was discovered to the time of your call, about
how much time passed from him saying entering the cell
and the time that the medical emergency was called by you? Noel.
She goes to answer, but she gets cut off by
the lawyer. Are we talking about like five seconds? Noel? Yeah,
Noel is second as soon as he said it, I
did it. Question. Oh, so, like there's a button you
just hit Noel, Yeah, because the button is on my radio. Question.
And did you call it in at that time? Noel. No.
Once you hit it, everybody's coming. Question. All right, so
there is nothing that you call in? You just push
a button Noel. Yeah. Right. So at the second he
told you to get the cutter, you hit the medical
emergency Noel. Yeah. Question did he say anything about what
he saw? Noel, when he got when he entered the
room and he said to get the cutter. Before I
got the cutter, I heard him tear something and then
he lowered him to the floor. That's when I saw
him and he started CPR. Question all right. So he
never said like Epstein hung himself or what he saw.
He just said, get the cutter, Noel. He said, get
the cutter. And then I started CPR and he kept saying, breathe, Epstein, breathe,
and he was like, we're going to be in so
much trouble. Question And where were you when he was
doing that? Noel on the grill? Question were you in
the position to be able to see anything in there? Noel?
No question? At any time? Did you see anything in there? Noel,
no question. Did you ever see Epstein in the cell? Noel,
no question. So you never even went over to like
look in Noel? No question. Okay, so you didn't actually
have to call anything over the radio. It was just
a simple push of a button, Noel. A button. Question
And around what time did you say that Epstein was
last fed? Noel after ten question? After ten pm? Noel,
I mean, not after when they fed him in the cell.
I guess after eight or nine. Question sometime between eight
or nine pm, Noel, when I came back from the bathroom.
Question and who was it that fed him? Noel? Me
question you fed him? Noel? Yeah. Question And did you
say that at that point did you actually talk with him? Noel,
no question. Okay. And did you or anyone else recover
his food tray? Noel, I don't know if somebody did,
not me. Question. But you didn't do it, Noel, no question.
Who else could have done it if it wasn't you, Noel,
I don't know, because after the medical emergency, nobody's allowed
to go in the room. So question. So you're just
not sure if by the time you fed him in
that medical emergency, if it was ever recovered, Noel, right, question,
all right, So when you fed him, can you just
again refresh my memory? Was it that you saw with
Epstein when you gave him the food? Question? He gets
like microwavable food, So I just handed it to him
through the slot and he took it. Question, okay. And
any instance where you saw him from the shower to
the last time you said you saw him between ten
and ten thirty or whatever, it was, anything unusual, Noel, No,
Nothing that caught or like raised your suspicion, Noel, no question.
No like distress or saying anything like that with him, Noel,
no question. And you're sure when you saw him at
ten ten thirty that he was alive? Noel. Yes, he
put up his hand. Question. He put up his hand
and wasn't like hanging against the bed when he put
it up, Noel. No question. Where we he located? Noel
on the floor on a mattress. Question, So he was
like sleeping, Noel. He was lying on the floor on
the mattress and he had the machine. Question and he
had the machine on him Noel, yeah, question okay, And
when you look through his window, right, what if his
body could you see? Noel on his head his hand
and like maybe to mid there? Question the best of
the body Noel, like under his head? Question? So he
was laying facing the wall Noel. Yeah, he was facing
like this big and discernible. Is this way? The mattress
was here on the floor, like in front of the
bunk on the floor. Question and the sea pat machine
was it already attached to him? Noel? Yeah, he had
it on question. I'm not following what you're saying about that.
So the mattress was laying like Noel cuts him off
the mattress was like, how you just take it off
the bunk and you put it on the floor. Well,
he shoves it to the corner. Question, And he was
laying on it. He was laying on it like the
direction of the mattress, Lenen. Noel, that the mattress is
going yeah, question all right, So he wasn't like or
a T shape Noel. No, all right, so he was
like Noel cuts him off the direction of the mattress.
Question Okay, you want to ask more on that another investigator.
No just had that quick question. And you said, to
your knowledge, no one else saw him between the time
you last saw him and when Michael discovered him. Noel. Right.
Question did you hear anything from epstein Cell between ten
thirty pm and six thirty three am, Noel, no question.
No like movement talking or like a crash Noel, No
question anything like that. And about how far away from
epstein cell when Thomas went in, Noel, I don't know.
The grill is right here and the door is right there.
Question So I mean, is it like, so this is foot?
This is two feet? This is three feet? Noel? A foot?
Question a foot? Noel. From the grill to the door
right here, but he's inside, so question right, Noel, I'm
not in there. So from the grill to the actual
door about a foot? Question about a foot? Noel? Yeah. Question,
Now was the grill door? Is that a door that
is closed? Was it closed or was it open? Noel?
I opened it and then Thomas goes in question. Okay,
so it was open when Thomas entered the cell, Noel,
I opened it and I opened the grill for him
to go in, right, And did it remain open? Noel? Yes?
But she gets cut off? Or did you close it
behind you? Noel? No, I'm standing there, so it's open. Question.
So you're only a foot away from mister Epstein's cell
door though, Noel. Yes. Question and you never looked in, Noel?
No question? Was it because why didn't you look in? Noel?
Because usually the door is not open. His intention is
to feed, so he would just open the slot and
put the food in. When he knocked, he didn't get
no answer. So that's when Thomas opened the door and
went in. I stood on the grill and as soon
as he opened the door he went in, he started screaming,
get the cutter. So I hit the body alarm because
I have to. When everybody's coming, I have to let
them in. I never went in question. Okay, So after
he made the call, did you go get the cutter?
And bring it back to him. Noel. No, I didn't
get the cutter because he didn't need it. Question because
of rip something Noel, Yeah. Question and you actually heard
it rip Noel, I heard it rip. Question okay? And
the reason why? And then you left the grill to
go let people in? Noel, yes? Question? All right. So
how long after Mike Thomas went into the room did
you leave the grill station door that was a foot
away from Epstein's door. Noel, maybe like two or three minutes? Question?
So you were there for two or three minutes while
he was conducting CPR. Noel, yeah. Question and at that
time never once did did you actually look in to
see what he was doing? Noel. No question, even though
it was just a foot away. Noel, right. Question, And
that's what I'm asking you. Noel. No, by that time,
when he's conducting CPR, I can see because he lowered
him to the floor, and I could question. And that's
what I'm asking So you could see him lower him
to the floor. Question. Yeah, I could see when he
lowered him to the floor. Question. This is where I
want to make sure that where I'm asking you that
you could see inside Noel, Oh, no, I can't see
inside the cell. I could only see Thomas doing CPR. Question.
But you saw him lower him to the floor. Noel, Yeah,
he lowered him to the floor. Question, So this is
what I want to know. What did you see? So
what you could see from where you were standing? What
could you see everything? Because I'm getting confused with what
you're telling me. I thought you said you never looked
in you never saw anything. What did you see from
the moment the medical emergency occurred? So he walked to
the door. What do you see? Noel? He goes in
the door. First, I don't see anything. I hear the
rip and then he lowers him to the floor. Question Okay,
so just back up. What do you mean by lowering
him to the floor. Did you watch him rip or
just heard Noel? I heard the rip? Question Okay, Noel,
it's just like this. He's holding him like this and
he puts him onto the floor to start CPR. Question.
Did he put his arms underneath Epstein's arms? Noel, I
don't remember how he held them directly, but he lowered
him to the floor. I don't remember how he the
details of how he lowered him to the floor. Question.
So he somewhere on his upper body, then lowered him
to his like butt to the floor Noel. Yeah. Question,
and then he allowed him to drop or did he
place him Noel, No, he didn't allow him to drop.
He had him all the way. Question. So at all
times he maintained control of Epstein's body and brought him
to the floor Noel, yes. Question. And you witnessed all
of this, Noel. I just only witnessed when the top
part of his body went to the floor. Question. Okay,
and at that time did like and we have to
ask this just because of you know, the autopsy and
things like that. Did he smash against the floor Noel?
No question? All right, so everything was like gentle Noel. Yeah.
Question from you heard it rip? Did you ever hear
like sound hear him like land on the floor Noel.
No question. So you didn't hear like, all right, he
ripped this thing. So you think he ripped it and
then he may maintain control of him Noel. Probably, I
didn't see that part. I just only heard the rip.
Question all right, But you did see did you see
his body after the rip hit the floor? Noel? No question.
All right, So he's on the floor maybe like his
butt is on the floor and his upper body is up.
And that's when you witnessed him now bringing him down
to the floor. Noel. He brought him down to the floor.
I can't see the other half of his body, so
I don't know. Question what part of his body do
you see? Noel, just the top part, like torso up
and he's bringing him down. Question all right, And then
did you see him when you say CPR? What kind
of CPR was given? Noel, chess compressions. Question any kind
of mouth to mouth Noel? No question. Did he ever
check for his vitals? Did he ever check to see
if he was a live first? Noel, I don't know.
Question you don't know. Did you witness him check for
breath or check for a pulse? Noel, I didn't see that.
Question you didn't see either, Noel. No, I'm just giving
him compressions. I just seen him giving him compressions. Question
all right. Did you see him like try to wake
him up or hit him or anything like that, Noel, No,
just compressions. Question. Did you have any communication with Thomas
while he was doing this? Noel? No. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode,
we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
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