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Speaker 2: Well, hello, beard lovers and lad lovers, Billy got.
Speaker 4: A beer, Welcome to the pod. Thanks for getting it on.
Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread the
word about the bird shift. So it is me and
you tonight.
Speaker 2: What's going on before the show? Yeah, you and I
were talking about your beard and said he said Jesus
would like your beard. Yeah, so there's this woman like okay,
So now there's there's thousands of people who as soon
as you believe you've died and gone to heaven and
met Jesus, yeah, you have to do a video about
what Jesus looks like and what he said to you.
So there's thousands of these and thousand of different stories.
This is when black woman tells her son they're doing
a podcast. So when I saw Jesus, he had like
a chin strap beard, like one of those, you know,
those really thin rail beards, and he had this big nose,
and he had this like like dirty blond hair and
it was long. And I'm like, so Jesus was like,
you know, shaven, apparently in heaven, like he probably like
I'm gonna get I'm gonna do a pencil thin beard
right here.
Speaker 1: I thought they recreated what Jesus would look like. And
he walked with a limp, and he was ugly.
Speaker 2: The Bible says he was not he he was not
calmly or anything or something like that. He was just
he didn't look like anybody special. He wasn't like rapping,
he wasn't good looking or anything like that, like a
weed out of the out of the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have no idea.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think Jesus had long hair.
Speaker 1: That's not true. No, Nazareth cut it or something.
Speaker 2: No, his section of Judaism, his sect of Judaism, they
didn't believe in long hair. He was a Shemel like
Jewish person. They didn't have long hair. I think you'd
like your beard. I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, so I have not shaved right, and so today
you have.
Speaker 2: That fully shaped. It looks like you've added some definition
to your long I did.
Speaker 1: I did, and I told you yesterday I went too
high on the sides and I don't really like it.
So I'm just letting things go.
Speaker 2: Randscaped. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so today I popped into a place and uh,
there there's a bunch of women that worked there, and
I don't really know them. I just and then they said, hey,
letting that grow and I said, yeah, I am. And
then one woman from the reluctant yeah, well I just said,
yeah I am.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. Yeah, I fucking child.
Yeah yeah, I got the beard. And some people like
make a big deal about it, like, yeah, well that'she
I'm going I made a decision. No, yeah I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's.
Speaker 2: Supposed to say. Exactly what are you supposed to right?
So you can't just say yeah, I guess I.
Speaker 1: Women go through this all the time, right, change your
nail polish color.
Speaker 2: Did you huh h look at those whatever curling today?
Speaker 1: So I got the you're letting grow on a little
bit and I said yeah, and they said, uh from
the back, this one goes looks good. Makes your eyes pop.
Speaker 2: I was like, god damn, yeah, I know. Hello, I
wouldn't use that term, but yeah, it's good. It does
make your eyes pop. I don't know if it has
more definition, like when I grew like a soul patch
had soul petro what people said it brought out my eyes?
Speaker 1: Did they?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's weird? Are they really? And most of these
guys were men, Oh hey, hey fellaw, but this one
woman go gets your face more definition, like thank you.
I want to start you in jocks er side cleft
in my chink. You look like you look like Danny
I do a budgie doboy. Yeah yeah, so I would
be the Mark Hillman.
Speaker 1: I've had an odd day. I went to the way.
Speaker 2: What happened your head en?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I know, but this is kind of no. Yeah, I
guess that's fair. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I went I if you didn't have enough, I'm.
Speaker 1: Trying to get myself like back, I feel like I
I'll be brutally, rawly honest as much as I can be,
because you know, there's stuff. But I feel like probably
the last two years or so have been a struggle.
But but for I haven't really embraced things the right way.
And uh, I don't know. I guess I could say
the line of delineation, I'm not really sure what would
be the death of my day. And from there I went, Okay,
you know I would refer to him as my great protector.
Your great protector's gone. You got to got to get
shipped together. You got a kid living with you, You get this,
and and not that anything is like drastically bad. I
don't want to say that, but I just know me
and I know how I was.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: Somebody on the podcast said to me, I feel like
you've lost your edge and meaning like your your killer
instinct this you know, win at all costs, which you know.
Speaker 2: All right, oh yeah right? And I and I go
watching the Cowboys documentary. You're Jimmy Johnson at this point,
well you were Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, And I do you
become Barry Switter?
Speaker 1: I will say that I don't I don't know that
that was a healthy way to be. So I want
to do the things I need to do to set
myself up to win and not get pissed off if
things don't go there's a certain way. Yeah, you see
what I'm saying. But but I took that and I
went that person's not wrong. That's what I said to myself.
That person's not wrong. And so I want to kind
of get my ship together. So I've been trying to
why keep looking over Yeah, but I don't think it
was bad.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was bad. All right, we don't
think it's bad. Okay, Well why why? I could picture
him saying.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, all right, leave it,
go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2: No nothing. You want to mimic it?
Speaker 1: I know you do, right there.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't impersonate that person, I said. So
I've been going to take work after the breath.
Speaker 1: So I've been going to take exercise classes two days
a week, and I've been walking a bunch, trying to run,
but I really can't. And I went on a I
went on a walk a walk date with my friend
and I couldn't. I couldn't keep up.
Speaker 2: Remember I told you it was all sweaty and all that. Right. Yeah,
I walked in. You had a sweatshirt but no undershirt. Okay,
that was the day. That was a Sunday. That was
a Sunday. We went for a walk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean she was cooking, so I'm like, fuck, man,
I gotta get my ass in gear here. I used
to run. Like I hear times that kids are running
and I'm like, yeah, like somebody goes to me, Uh yeah,
my kid had to to make the team. They had
to run a seven minute mile. I'm like, I was
twelve running a six minute mile. Yeah. I don't know
what that means. Roger. Let me just tell you something
to this. Let me just explain something. I couldn't run
a six minute mile today. I couldn't run a seven
minute mile.
Speaker 2: Oh I've looked back at my life and gone okay,
So I used to run a seven minute mile while
I was like fifteen.
Speaker 1: I got a hip issue I think.
Speaker 2: For the New York State Physical Fitness tests. Okay, so
one of them was how fast can you run a mile? So?
Speaker 1: Well did you? I? You grew up in a small town. Yeah,
I grew up in a very small town. When I
was in eighth grade. I took the New York State
test because I could played varsity and.
Speaker 2: Varsity track or football both. Oh wow, okay, yeah wow.
That's a real small town if you're in eighth grade
playing varsity.
Speaker 1: Right, well, there were very good kids. Were your tight
end wide receiver you had to I was wide receiver
then and then quarterback, but you played quarterback for a
little bit.
Speaker 2: No kidding for a moment, wow for a moment.
Speaker 1: Okay, the moment in time I thought Greg.
Speaker 2: Connors was the only player here.
Speaker 1: I don't talk about it.
Speaker 2: Okay. I played wide receiver too portly and free safety.
Speaker 1: So you had to do so many sit ups in
a minute.
Speaker 2: Yes, and you have to do the grip where you
have to hold it like unless you have to over
a minute. Your chin has to be over the bar
for a minute.
Speaker 1: I don't remember having to run a distance. It was
cones in a certain amount of time.
Speaker 2: Okay, So with us you had to run like a
mile in like than seven minutes.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't have that to make varsa.
Speaker 2: So the grip and hang was the hardest test.
Speaker 1: So I passed it. I made it, but they did
I didn't get a whole lot of playing time up there.
But my friend of mine did who made it too.
He was really good.
Speaker 2: You also do a standing broad jump of at least
seven feet. I'm not remembering this stuff. Well maybe because
I was younger than you.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Uh, the point is, yeah, I don't know
what the point was.
Speaker 2: You You couldn't do a six minute now, of course,
not fucking no, I can't. I'm not doing wind springs
every other day.
Speaker 1: When I was in high schools bragged for just a
moment on my sexy Yet.
Speaker 2: Here we go. Quarterback, wide receiver, eighth grade varsity athlete,
double let.
Speaker 1: Out run my senior year in high school. I did
not play football my senior and.
Speaker 2: I chase ladies.
Speaker 1: No, there was a kid that I think that when professional,
uh to the Red Sox right out of high school
from my school, and wow, he was like two years
younger than me and they were just gonna have him.
He was His uncle was what they referred to as
a super back at the time for the since Bengals.
So he would come into our practices and stuff. Last
name Johnson, I think, and we're going back to you
got to go eighty six eighty seven and he he
had been in the USFL that folded. The Bengals picked
him up.
Speaker 2: I got to lock this guy up.
Speaker 1: Now. I don't know that he played a lot, but
he referred to him as a superback. I'm not exactly
sure what the superback did, but that's what they called it.
Speaker 2: Like a tailback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows. But JJ was great and they were
going to push him. So I went and played soccer.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: And I had never played soccer. Because if I wasn't
gonna be if I, I had another friend and I
took it, sort of stole this from him. My friend Jeff.
Jeff said, if I ever lose a race one hundred
yard dash, I'm gonna quit. He won every race until
the last one, and he just walked off and quit.
He followed through. I thought it was the greatest thing
I'd ever seen.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: I mean the fucking great. He lost by just a twatit,
but the done that was it?
Speaker 2: He did? He literally did I've done that was it?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, great athlete too, But
this kid was gonna So I went and played soccer
and I ran. I didn't know how to play, so
I would run through guys and the team from Rhinebeck
would punch me in the face, punch me in the gut,
and I loved it. I go, this is fucking awesome.
I like the contact. I don't know why it's it's
it's insane. It's fucking insane. Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I would hate that. I fucking loved it. I got
punched in the face.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is fucking I was like, whoa, yeah, away,
and it's an adrenaline thing. It's a nutty thing. It's
a nutty thing. That's why boxing was always.
Speaker 2: Would hal up punch.
Speaker 1: If you did sparring stuff, you got hit, right, a
lot of people would shrink back you got hit. I
would go, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: Now come on. Sim Kelly was like that, come on,
let's go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had somebody trying to get me into the senior
rounds for boxing, the senior circuit, and no kidding, this
is about four years ago, and I said.
Speaker 2: Well, I get a two hundred how many pounds billion?
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that. I think I'm like
two thirty super senior heavyweight five to thirty, somewhere between
two thirty two thirty five. I was up as high
as two forty two forty five. So I'm down a
little bit. But when I was boxing, it was like
two twelve to ten. I haven't done that well anyway,
this conversation is all over the place. I would run
the half mile. I was two seconds off the school record,
oh wow. And I couldn't get it. Couldn't get it.
And then I was like if I could hang one
in the car and my parents maybe painters like oh
that was it. But I could move. I have wheels.
And now I go my back hurst of a herning
eate a disc and I think my hips are out
of alignment.
Speaker 2: There's exercises for that.
Speaker 1: I know it can help me something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's funny. Every person I've
sent that to I have not used it. I sent
it to my pastor friend. I go hey, he goes,
oh yeah, I hurt my back. We can't have lunch today.
I go, Okay, can I send you a video? Yeah? Sure?
And then uh, hey you watch the video. I'll work
with a trainer right now. Do you watch the video? Well, yeah,
well I'm working with uh the guy at the gym.
Did you watch the video? So I went this video
snapped my back right back at the point. Did I
got this hip issue? Because that's the thing you're here.
I don't want to get into it, but yes, I
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think my hips are fucked from everybody's hips, football
and all that shit. Yeah, So I went. So I
went to the y and I don't have all my
keys on one thing. And the reason I don't have
keys on one thing is I have another person in
the house who I found out likes to take a
car once in a while, and they can't. So I
keep all the keys, but they're fobs, and I haven't
put the house whatever. It's fucked up. So I have
two key rings. So I leave this class. I grabbed
the keys to the car, my phone, and I walk out.
I'm driving back and I'm going it's a good distance
back in the Fairport. I have an appointment at eleven.
It's now ten ten. I'm gonna jump in the shower,
go and I go, Shit, I don't have the keys
to get in, like, wonder if I drop them. Now
I'm panicked, So I'm looking through the car. I'm looking
through others, not panicked. This is my point. I don't
know what's happening. I'm not panicked. I'm like, oh, they're
probably at the Why, and I should be like.
Speaker 2: God, damn, it fucking ruined my whole day.
Speaker 1: I'm sweaty, I want to get out of these clothes
I can't get and I'm like, all right, I get
back in the car. I drive out to the Y.
I go back to the locker I had there are
my keys and grab them out. Other thing. I go
up This Why has a smoothie station. I get a smoothie,
I have a cup of coffee. I call my kids,
who are in New York City together, and then I
drive out to my eleven o'clock point and I go, well,
this is and I'm like, why this is where I go?
Maybe I've lost my edge, I don't know, or maybe
it's the beard.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: It just make I just feel like everything's just like there.
I'm doing what I need to do and I don't
care about the result. Okay, good, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I'm hoping. I'm expecting the best.
Speaker 2: But losing your edge, well, or your edge could change,
your target could change, you could pivot right. Because the
guy that I worked that had an edge, that edge
was a double edged soul. You what yeah, no, yeah,
come on you think what are you talking about? Think?
What do you say? I mean, you had a competitive streak.
But man, sometimes Bobby Knight or Mike Dipko or uh oh,
Jimmy Johnson can come out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't good.
Speaker 2: Right. One time, your son Jordan actually made you call
me back and apologize on the phone. Jordan was like
nine or ten, he was young, and he goes, he
apparently told you, and I didn't think anything of it. Oh, thanks,
I didn't think anything of it. It was just like
a normal conversation with you and I, you know, like
I need this, we gotta do this, we gotta do this,
and how can we haven't done this? What we gotta
do here? And do you have this lined up? And
but and I'm like, yeah, I'm working on it, working
on And Jordan apparently told you, hey, why are you
yelling at Danny? And I wasn't yelling at Danny. Well
sounds like you were yelling at him. So then you
call me back.
Speaker 1: Everybody says to me all the fucking time, By the way,
that's something that annoys me. Okay, I have to say this.
Speaker 2: I think that now I've really worked to not.
Speaker 1: Be this guy. And we'll talk about this, and I
want to bring up something that was brought up on
the podcast last night that you alluded to a story
and I never told it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I gotta tell the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Back when I was a varsity you had to
have a girl who sit ups around your neck for
at least in a minute varsity.
Speaker 1: So this, uh, but I will often be told that
I'm yelling, and I go, doesn't know, but I'm I'm
talking emphatically and I'm hearing it from So I go,
did the definition yelling of yelling?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did it change? Did?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Did the the DB's go down generation? Generationally speaking? I
think it may. All it was was I got fucking
yelled at constantly.
Speaker 1: I got yelled up by coaches, I got yelled at
by teachers, I got yelled up by friends, yell. I
was yelled my entire life. All I was was fucking
yelled at. So now I come in and it's like
I feel like with my youngest kidd'll go, why are
you gonna yell at me? I go, buddy, I'm not yelling. Well,
you're talking and I'm like, okay, and then I but
I've heard it from other people. Why are you yelling
at me? I go, I'm not yelling at you. This
isn't yelling.
Speaker 2: No, have you ever seen me flip out or yell
at anybody ever? Have you ever seen me ever yell
or get angry?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, So if I'm yelling right, like yelling and I'm angry,
you'd know it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: My wife goes, why are you yelling? I'm like, I'm
not yelling. It's just the way I talk. Yeah, it's
just I can't. Yeah, I'm loud. My ears have been.
I had twos of my ears, a young kid so
and my grandmother she was half deaf, so i'd have
to talk like about the OJ trial or anything. My
father would be at the top of the steps of
the basement going, Man, if anybody came in this house,
they'd hear your entire conversation. Who your grandmother was talking about,
the gossip that came out of her, and you just
you're just yelling back and forth. It's hilarious. It's like
watching my own sitcom. It's uh, just loud. It is
just loud.
Speaker 1: I but yeah, but back in the day, well, here's
why when when we were together, Yeah, it was I
had this survival thing and I wanted to prove that
I that I was as good as I believed I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the feeling and still doing it.
Speaker 1: So I figured, I'm gonna I'm gonna make this work.
I'm gonna figure out a way to make this work.
And by this, I mean you had brother Weez, Yes,
who is is was an icon in Rochester radio in
the National Radio Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: The guy super.
Speaker 1: Talented, and I worked with him and had a pleasure
of doing that. He but he didn't really business side
of things. He didn't protect himself with the people that
were really great for him, and he's gone through many
iterations of a show since he left CMF and the
people that were there. And so then it was down
to like me and Tommy, and I knew that I
made more than producers. And I had three kids and
one that was on the spectrum that I needed Tod
that I had all this in my ear, and I went, Okay,
so I just go, I'm gonna fucking make this work
at all costs. And you're walking around a building where
they had a big notepad, big giant sticky notepad on
an easel talking about all the strengths of the afternoon
guy who was on one of their stations, clearly trying.
You know, it was like sending a message, and I'm like,
I go, I don't have an ally here. I don't
have an ally. I don't have a Stan Maine in
my life. Stan Maine hired me. Stan doesn't remember, but
Stan hired me and I and was so fucking cool
to me and loved my audition tape and just said
to me, we do five hours of funny radio day.
Can you do something straight? And I said yes, And
then within like two weeks.
Speaker 2: He was like yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1: So uh, but I didn't have an ally there, So
it was like I gotta fucking work my ass off
and get down and focus. And you were screening phone calls.
But even to just get a phone screening room was
like a pulling teeth with these guys because they didn't
want they didn't they weren't going to do anything this
new company that was buying the station, and I had
got over there and we's came for a minute and
then he left, and so now you're in this odd
space of whatever and you're trying to. It was just
the probably the strangest time in my work life that
I had ever experienced. And I look back now and
I go, how fucking awesome was that? I mean, it is.
It is awesome. Like there's a lot of things that
are going to come out of that. For me, I
think down the line that it was awesome. But when
when push came to shove, there was like I tried,
I knew, I could I see things developing. I can
see it. It's like a storm front, like you know,
and I can see things building. And I would go
to management and go hey, and one of them was
a certain person was going to come back and be
the GM across the street. And I told them that.
I told them, I said, this is what's going to happen.
This person's been taking me to lunch for a couple
months now, a really good friend was in my wedding.
But it's going to come back and it's going to
jack that thing up, and we're going to have a
problem because he's going to save what was a sinking ship.
We's was around people who he didn't trust and it
was all new, and so he's sort of.
Speaker 2: When he's scrambling.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't that, It wasn't it wasn't management stuff.
It was the people in the room with him. And
I'll say, like Jamie, listen, it's not that Jamie wasn't talented.
Jamie's fucking hilarious dude. But they didn't have the years
of rapport that he had with Tommy. So therefore you
weren't going to get that instantly. And I think and
so there was no one there, and I will say this,
there was no one on the management side that could
coach that talent that could come into that room, like
Stanley could come in and you go, hey, baby, what's happening,
and you know, we just got and they would have
a conversation and we's would leave feeling comfortable. It was
somebody who had his back. He was sort of alone
in his own thing too. And but the whole point
was like, so the ratings come out, they don't do
as good as they think they they're gonna do. Uh.
And I think everybody was like a little wobbly about that,
and we're working our ass off, and the whole thing
that's getting back to me as well, there's confusion in
the market, and that may be because people write things down, right,
So I go, well, fuck this, I'm we're gonna win.
And so that was my thing. I was, fuck this,
we're gonna win. I am gonna find a way through anything.
And you know it would be right, I'm gonna fucking win.
I will find a way. I'm a smart guy, I
know how to talk. I'm gonna fucking figure this out
and that and that's when I would fight everybody, because
anybody who got my way it was an obstacle. You're
either with me or you're against me.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not how life works, edged Sword, Yeah, it's not.
That's not how life works. And if you live that way,
you're gonna have a harder time either. There you can
line up with stuff and try to talk to people
and be kind and get there maybe quicker than if
you go, fuck you, it's I'm doing it this way. Yes,
you can grind it out as much as you want.
You'll get there. You'll get there. You'll be miserable. And
I was often hired. We were crumpy, right, but you know,
so it's it was an interesting time though in radio.
Holy fuck, I I look back and go that that
that was probably the most stressful time that for me
because in the new building you had all these people.
Then they're talking about putting ted NuGen on as a
morning show and this and that, and I'm like no.
And then somebody listened and went, I think you got
something here, and I was like, okay, good, And then
that person became a great ally. But I had to
prove that there was something there. We need to find
a champion, and I did, and I fucking and then
that champion left, yes, and then that was another battle well,
and I wish I had handled that differently because I
don't know that that new guy was bad. I sat
in meetings with him over and over and over. I
was going to do anything I could to maintain and
try to appear like I was a good player, because
don't forget, I had gone into like you think of this.
You have a boss, right, everybody's got a boss, and
you walk into your boss's office and you know they're
gonna tell you, hey man, this is the thing, and
you got it. The boss should be respected. I did
not have a lot of respect for this boss. This
boss no longer by the way, he is employed in
that capacity. Uh this, So I I went into this
person and they said something to me, and I went,
I'm basically the CEO. That was the direct quote. I'm
basically the CEO of the show.
Speaker 2: They got around too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it did, I said, And I didn't care.
I was like, I don't give a fuck. There's nothing
that happens on the air on this show that I'm
one hundred percent aware of. There is nothing. And the
fact that you have your head in the sand about things,
fuck you. I know what we're up against. And that
person I was talking about came back and they had
something in radio called trends. Okay, and then they take
the trends and out of that they give you your ratings.
You didn't get your ratings for three months in a
market like this, but the trends, the trends come out,
and I think we pulled a zero in one of
the trends.
Speaker 2: Yeah we did.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's impossible. It's it's impossible. There's some weird thing.
But whoever filled out the diaries, we got nothing. So
they took that across the street and they fucking ran
with it. And they're young, and it's a fucking trend.
If anybody knows anything about radio. It means nothing, means
fucking nothing. But that pissed me off, and I was
all I needed. And it was one of those things like,
you know, I guess you talk about Michael Jordan and
that was a personal what do you say? And I
took that person, Yeah, I took it fucking personally, and
I just go, fuck you animal, I went, I am
going to.
Speaker 2: Find a way.
Speaker 1: I am going to win. Not only am I gonna win,
I am gonna fucking ship down your neck and win.
And I and we did. We did in the end,
we did.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 1: Person, I don't give a fuck when anybody says we did.
We won and and but but at what cost? At
what costs? And that was the part that I learned.
I learned that I burned. I burned bridges.
Speaker 2: There was some collateral damn damage.
Speaker 1: You're looking at some of it, Well, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: So I owe you an apolitic anything. I do know,
but you don't owe me anything. It's radio. It's just
how it works. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's like I wasn't there to do that. And
then I got so fed up and other fucking things
in my head and I just I don't want to
do this anymore here. I don't want to do it here. Yeah,
And so I left and then I went somewhere else, and.
Speaker 2: Then the rumors started again. Oh yeah, you I come
back from my honeymoon right with my first wife. Yeah, okay,
that's like nine day vacation. I wish I could get back.
But anyway, and hey, can we talk? I go, yeah,
what's up you? You call me up? Hey, so and
so former wife of a friend worked for my company.
At this point, you'd left because hey, you're telling is
telling people that you're telling people that Bill Moran is
miserable at iHeart and wish is he never left CMF.
And I said, I never said that. You and I
didn't even like talk much after you left, because you're
busy doing your own thing. I was getting ready to
get married, to make a mistake in my life. And
I go, no, I don't know. I never said that.
But that's what people would do. They would And by
the way, I wasn't even employed anymore while this rumor
came out. That's the best part. So hey, let's take
somebody use their name and slander somebody else.
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing that but no, but here's
the other thing.
Speaker 2: Who cares? Right well, what other people.
Speaker 1: I wish I had the head I have now, what
other people say about me is none of my business.
Would it hurt me if I hear some things? Maybe probably?
I'm a human being, but I'm not going to dwell
in it like I used to because I don't care. Yes,
because everybody, because believe me, we're all fucking around in
this world and try to make it. And that's the thing. Look,
I I have known. I am going to say, right
up to the line. I'm going to go right up
to the line right now, all right, Okay, I'm coming
up right up to them like.
Speaker 2: You're shaving your beard. You're just coming right up to the.
Speaker 1: Left, coming right up to the line. I know of
something that is in the midst of happening.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: And I've known about it since the spring wow, mhmm.
And in the radio, in the in the radio world.
And I'm no, I will not and I don't care,
but I will tell you that that's the way, you know,
and I and everybody I I, I don't, I don't care.
It's none of my business. It's none of my business.
Speaker 2: But you know, we might find out very soon what's
gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Well, you will, but none of my business. I just
but I get it. And I have sat on that,
and I still had people go, what do you think?
What do you think? I go, I don't, and nobody
really knows, so I would go, I don't. I don't care.
I'm over here. I don't want to leave this. I
like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is fun, man, this.
Speaker 1: Is I have other projects. There's screenplays, there's ship there's stuff,
there's things going on. Let me guys play Kevin me,
let me, let me bring up last night, Danny said
the letter he goes, wouldn't it be funny if the
person said I'm the person from ninety six CMF that
they'd sit ups around your neck. I've never really told this.
I forgot about this story. I mean I would remember it,
but it's not something that i've dwella So I used
to have strippers come up from one of the clubs.
And I don't know if this girl was a stripper
or not, because she also happened to be a friend
of somebody at the radio station, a younger guy that
worked there, like, and she was attractive and all. But
so she came up and it's me her, and I
think this other guy and she I don't. I don't
even know what happened. All I know is like she's topless,
she's got panties on, and she goes come over here,
and so I step out from around his like consoles
like a horseshoe.
Speaker 2: Was this on the air? No? Okay no?
Speaker 1: And she jumps up and she like climbs up on
this thing and then wraps her legs around my neck
and then hangs upside down up. I'm standing up. Oh wow,
and she starts doing sit ups.
Speaker 2: So you must have had incredible core strength to hold
her up.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well she wasn't that heavy.
Speaker 2: She doesn't matter, dude, holding by the neck. She's not
your neck. She's not that heavy.
Speaker 1: And I'm standing there and all I can think is, oh,
my fucking god. Now I'm married, and I'm already in
trouble for things at home for the Triple XFL where
I had strippers come up and they put on a
strap on so that I had guys to ring pops.
Speaker 2: I just found it funny. I was never into strippers.
I never.
Speaker 1: It was never something that was never. It didn't appeal
to me. What appealed to me was getting people to
do stupid shit. I found it fucking fascinating and that
the guys would be so in to it. I go,
this is like it's ring toss. It's the State Fair,
you know what I mean, the fucking State Fair. Only
I just made it with tits and ask and I go.
It was the funniest thing. And that was where I
got the most pleasure, was seeing how people could just
be reduced to a puddle of fucking hormones around a woman.
It was amazing. But this girl does it. So now
she's doing sit ups and there was a big window.
It's a big giant window.
Speaker 2: Anybody walking by I could see this, right.
Speaker 1: But it's later at night, so I gotta think. It's
like I must have been doing like six to nine
or six to ten. Oh no, I must have been
doing four to nine. And this was after that, so
it's probably around eight o'clock and she's doing these sit
ups and her crotch is like right in my face
and I don't know where to look, and I'm very,
very very uncomfortable. And the program director was still there,
and he walks by. He was a creepy motherbugger. And
he comes in and goes, well, look it is hey
if it was like he went over to his office
and then he comes in and goes, hey, yeah, brother,
how's a married life going there?
Speaker 2: I was like, had nothing to do with that. I
didn't know what was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I stepped out from behind the thing that was it.
Speaker 2: Is how it works? Yeah, that was radio.
Speaker 1: That was fucking radio that whatever. Anyway, Sorry for any
no I gave me in radio.
Speaker 2: Not at all. No, It's it's all good. But I'll
tell you what, Like, as much as you may have
quote lost your edge, so to speak, someone saying that,
and I can understand that at the end of the day,
and you've got a lot going on. Your protector has gone,
your father, You've had an interesting year, You've had an
interesting several years. We're three years into this show, and
you and I, you know, for the audience, you know,
you and I didn't talk much from like twenty fourteen
till twenty twenty two. We just didn't. And this guy
that I'm sitting next to a cross room whatever you
want to call it right now, is a much more
well rounded, relaxed guy than the guy you had to
be when we worked together because you had to be
you are one man wrecking crew. It was you versus
the world.
Speaker 1: It was us versus the world.
Speaker 2: But you were, you were the CEO.
Speaker 1: But it's the it's a bad I think that's a
bad headspace to be. It is it is.
Speaker 2: You can't be like like Kevin O'Leary once said, there
are two men in his life that he knows, Kevin
O'Leary from Shark Tank Business. There are two men in
his life who are absolute one hundred percent signal, zero
percent noise. Steve Jobs, who he said, the public will
like what I tell them to like you. That's a
pretty erro good statement. But he knew and he looked
for the signal. He goes the other guy. I guess
who that is. The other guy in his life, The
other guy. Yeah, yeah, we all know who he is.
Speaker 1: Business signal. Yeah right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. You gotta be like one of those
two dudes to be one hundred percent signal all the time. See,
the rest is noise. It's very hard to be a
hundred percent signal. And even Elon's had his distractions we
know about, okay, But at the end of the day,
to be that guy. You got to be one hundred
percent signal so that you avoid all distractions. You know
exactly what buttons to push when, and it's so impossible
to do unless you're one of those guys. It's so yeah,
but you were trying to be one hundred percent signal
at that point.
Speaker 1: And I get that, yeah, and I and I feel
like I'm I'm getting back to that now. And yeah,
figuring out the podcast world is a little different, and
I've enjoyed the hell out of it.
Speaker 2: This has been a blast, man. This has been fun,
all right. And we've acquired so many great people along
the way too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we really have.
Speaker 2: We brought somebody back to the public eye that people
may not have forgotten about, but forgot what's kind of
there for a while. And she's now got a presence.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's Mark Himan waiting
for that one. I love Mark. I love doing shows
of Bark.
Speaker 1: I know, well, maybe we'll do one this weekend. Uh,
I don't know if you're.
Speaker 2: You're going away. Boo's got a she's doing her Bob
Secret tribute out in the rocks. Oh that's this weekend.
And Catman, oh, not exactly. Can I'll I'll be out
of commission. All right.
Speaker 1: A little football talk, okay, okay, a couple of things
before we get to the big news.
Speaker 2: All right. I wrote a big column this week. You
might want to read it, saying, okay.
Speaker 1: And then Laniel's linearl litter buck. Mike Rabel, head coach
of the New England Patriots, Mike very Rabel, excuse me.
The team released wide receiver Kendrick Bourne and safety Marcus Epps.
Not really familiar with these guys, but they were let
go and one of the reporters said they're very upset
or they're happy to be leaving or something like that.
So the newspapers were like, ah, Mike Rabel went on
a rambling thing, good, comparing it to a girlfriend. And
I did not think it was rambling. I thought it
was actually spot on. We'll let you listen to Mike
Vrabel talking about two players who were released from the team,
and then he's and the way he couches is they're
basically going, well, good, that team sucks anyway, is what
they're saying. Okay, that's sort of a childish response.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's news to me. And you know what, I mean,
you know what I mean. I think that we just
again try to put the roster together. Man, I guess
when it when it doesn't work out, you know, you know,
you break up with somebody, your girlfriend doesn't want to
be with you, and then you say, well I don't
want to be with you either. Like I'm not going
to get into.
Speaker 2: All that, right, Yeah, that I just.
Speaker 6: Said, I'm not going to get into it. It was
just like, you know what I mean, We're not going
to go back and forth here. We're trying to to roster.
Got to move on from some guys. Yet make connections
with guys. You coach them, They earn opportunities, they get
more opportunities, they take advantage of them. And that's kind
of how these things go there.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about a guy who's trying to
be one hundred percent signal, Mike Vrabel may be the
guy in the NFL trying to be one n I'm
he is dead. He know you know what he's saying.
Guys leave, they have sour grass. That's what it is.
How did the media screw that up?
Speaker 1: No, it's well they just said rambling thing about girlfriends
and I go, no, No, it's every guy gets stumped
and he goes, yeah she was at new bitch. Sorry
sorry for the seaward, but the uh she was a
bitch anyway.
Speaker 2: You know what she smells like, there would be something
childish like that. Seven years I know, Yeah, I got
used to it.
Speaker 1: You know what, do you walk around sometimes you just
forget that's right. It's like it's guys are dumb. They
did say dumb stuff because you're hurt. Yes, you're hurts.
You're hurt and you get from a team and you're hurt.
Speaker 2: By the way, Stefan Diggs, as I predicted, is still
on the team. Want to pro point that out for
the media, who's oh he can't survive this, Oh he
can't survive Just listen to me. Go on, Billy, you
want to talk about salad grapes? Go ahead, there, it
is all right.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this guy's name, and
they only refer to him as defender.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs have released a veteran named Mike is
it Panal? Could be E N N E L.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard of him.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm like, what exactly the defender means? I
don't know what that is. I don't know. He's been
around the league. I think he played for the Jets.
I think he played for the Bears.
Speaker 2: Somebody wrote a story real quick defender.
Speaker 1: Yeah so, but he got released from the team and
then posted this on his Instagram. I'm gonna play the audio.
It's the Joker. It's uh, what's his name?
Speaker 2: Playing er?
Speaker 1: Is the Joker?
Speaker 2: Dangerous Joker talking about like burning it all.
Speaker 1: Down and then we'll see how's loyal, hungry dog.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: Everything burns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So a weird thing for a guy to post.
But it almost sounds like he's coming for the team,
like he's pissed off. He's gonna burn it down, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: It sounded like that to me. I'm like, what's wrong
with this? He's have had a history of stuff stupid
stuff like that, So going back beyond Andy Reid, so
you might want to beave up your security. This week's
so weird by the way he fled. You know, he
modeled himself after to play the Joker. I think you're
a fan of this guy. Tom Waits, Oh yeah, I
didn't know after Tom Waits to play the Joker.
Speaker 1: Well, Tom Waits is a little I am a fan's eccentric. Yeah,
he's a little crazy. Yeah he's crazy hair.
Speaker 2: He sings weird on a downtown trash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Downtown trained by him.
Speaker 2: I like Rod Stewart's version.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people do. It's nicer, but yeah,
it's a little more tolerable. I like, I like, I
like the different. I don't know, it's different to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah that is a little strange that Mike Pennell or whoever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, okay, So I didn't I thought, especially right.
Speaker 2: After what happened yesterday, weird taste well in the shooting
and everything.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot about that already. That's
how fast me too, exactly. I just haven't spent a
lot of time thinking. I haven't forgotten about it. I
thought about it a little bit, but not much. We
did mention the Patriots. The Bills have new uniforms that
they're playing against the Patriot It's I think they're called
the Rivalries Jersey levelry uniforms. I fucking love them, and
people are making like, somebody goes to me, how.
Speaker 2: To fuck you love this? Most people love them. I
thought they'd look great. Most people love them. I have
no opinion. They say, I seriously have no opinion on them.
Speaker 1: The team says it's more than a look. The city's
DNA stitched into the fabric. This team will also be.
So they're giving away helmets. They only do this for
one reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to sell jerseys come September tenth.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it looks cold, it looks cool, and the
way they did it is presented is cold, which is
weird cracking.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be playing October, right, that's not gonna be a
December games. So they're gonna bring it back the red
helmets in December, but they're gonna wear the ice cold uniforms.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. I'd rather have the red
helmet because if I'm Josh Allen and there is a snowstorm,
I don't want a white helmet. That's fucking fucking my visions.
Speaker 2: They put it in the last game of the season. I
think for a reason. But that being said, I the
first thing I thought when I saw this jersey was
of three teams, Kentucky, Boise State, and you be have
similar all white uniforms, right, And then I looked at
the other rivalry uniforms like, oh, that that's better. That's better.
That's better. That's really that's better. They're all better except
for Arizonas. I don't know what the heck's going on there.
It looks like someone like, you know, like Fleck the Bowl.
That's what that jersey looks like. Just just just just
look at it. Yeah, right, exactly. But I mean, if
you like it, that's cool. I just somebody, somebody made
a comment, this looks like every brand new kitchen installed
in the last five years, all white with a silver refrigerator.
Put that out there. He's from Rochester, by the way,
and yeah, it's a great analogy. I I don't I
don't have an issue with it, but I know how
like ninety five percent of bills fail. There's awesome, and
then the five percent the sucks and it's my brothers
hate it. Yeah, I don't hate it. I'm just kind
of like, this is this is the best you could do,
and you're gonna do it in October October right not
not not not the Zeber October. That part was weird,
but it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Watually it's a night game, so.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe cold get a little nippoly up.
Speaker 2: The ball's white too. That that'd be cool because it
looks like Joshall was throwing a snow football the pictures.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk about this player.
Speaker 2: He plays for America's team. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some people say he's a game bull said he's a
game changer and a coach record he could really be
that that good on the field. His name is Michael Parsons, MICHAEH.
Speaker 2: Parsons.
Speaker 1: He played for the Dallas Cowboys. He was in a
contract dispute. I think he requested a trade and that
came through. I thought Buffalo was rumored to be in
the mix. I would assume they probably were if they.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they called.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did too.
Speaker 2: If they didn't call, we got another issue. Now, well,
we won't know right Well, we'll never find out, or
we may find out down the road. Somebody writes a
biography about the or a book about the Bills. Has
Sean mcderm may have screwed up the franchise. The Bills
had an offer on the table for Michael. These things
come out, yeah.
Speaker 1: Do so he's going to the Green Bay Packers. And
I'm surprised because the Packers and the Cowboys have met
Was it the NFC Championship a couple of years ago,
Aaron was still playing.
Speaker 2: No, no, no. They went in the divisional round. That was
the game. Is where Dallas should have won the game.
Romo hit Bryant, does Bryant for a touchdown and Brian
goes to put the ball of the goal line, ball
bounces out of his hand. They said, oh, it's an
incomplete pass because he didn't survive the ground, but it
was clearly a touchdown and that changed the entire game.
Dallas would have gone on to the conference championship game
had they won that one. Okay lost no Green Bell Okay,
Green Bay lost championship games. Dallas never played hasn' played
in the championship game since they won the Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl, saying I thought that they beat Dallas almost two
years in a row, or they may have beaten.
Speaker 2: Dallas two years Oh yeah, yeah they did, because then
that's when Rogers like drove him down the field. They
kicked the field and won the game and the Yeah.
So yeah, well Rogers was the quarterback he got They
got the best of Dallas twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh, it's just interesting to me that that
would be the team you trade with and they're not
in the its within the conference, just within the conference,
and I thought that would be odd.
Speaker 2: And you know, you try to try to go outside
the conference. You try to go to the most important
thing is you try to get the best deal for
your team. And in this instance, we know what, you know,
I know what the terms of deal with.
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Let me let me get it out for you, billy,
because he was uh so Michah Parson. Let's just talk
about Parsons real quick. He wasn't gonna get a trade
without getting a deal. So that that's what part of
the hold up was. He was gonna go to a
team where he was gonna be able to negotiate his
own contract. I mean, because that's the point they were at.
No one's gonna take on Micah Parsons going into the
final year of his contract to let him walk. They're
not gonna let him. They're not gonna just give something up.
And then all of a sudden he takes off. This
isn't baseball where the Inkes like you know, took a
flyer on Wan Soda for a year and then lost
in the free agency. So he's gonna get one hundred
eighty eight million dollars forty seven million dollars per Parsons
is the highest paid non quarterback in history. That's for Parsons. Now,
you know there's there's guarantees in that, but there's a
lot of guarantees. But that's like, if he plays out
the contract, we get one hundred eighty eight million dollars. Okay,
So the Cowboys just save themselves a lot of money. Yeah,
they didn't want to pay him that money. The Packers
at the space, they're able to pay him. This guy
now is going to be a game changer on their defense,
which they needed, okay, because they had they believe they
have the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do, okay, and I think they made Sordan
Love was inspired.
Speaker 2: By Josh Allen. The people want to realize it or not.
He was an okay quarterback coming out of college. But
he had the arm and the athleticism. And he's the
reason why Aaron Rodgers like had was pouting in their
in Green Bay because they were sick of his mouth.
Rogers so they said, okay, we'll trade back into the
first round. You want to talk about a slap of
the face, We'll trade back into the first round and
get this kid and put him out a three year
project and so let him take the reins. And halfway
through his third year he figured out the light one on.
They gave an extension and so now they think they're
quarterbacks in The offense is set, but they need somebody
in the defense. So this is like they're trying to
replicate Farve on offense, Rochie White on defense. When they
won their Super Bowl and Dallas, I think this is
a win win. This is a win for the Packers.
Now they got an edge rusher, a real edge rusher.
Dallas is gonna get two first round picks in this
and Kenny Clark. Now here's the thing. Those two first
round picks, you're gonna have team control for at least
four years if Jerry doesn't screw it up, which Jerry's
actually a pretty good drafter, or whoever is in the
room that lets Jerry take the credit for drafting, he's
a pretty good drafter. So they're gonna get two first
round picks. Very rarely does a player turn into one
first round pick, let alone two first round picks. They're
gonna get two first round picks. They're gonna save all
that money. They're gonna get a guy named Kenny Clark
to play on the on the defensive line who's solid
and stable, and they're also But here's the thing, they
were never going to go anywhere no matter how much
money they paid market Parsons. As long as Dak Prescott
is their quarterback, he's either always hurt or he has
a ceiling. He's never gonna take you where you need
to go. And I think he's on the back nine
of his career. I really believe that with the injuries
and everything else. So why pay this dude all that
money after you paid everybody else? Or you could just say, okay,
I'll take two firsts and I'll save myself that money. Okay,
because Michael Parsons is not gonna get the Dallas Cowboys
close to a super Bowl, but he can get Green
Bay close to a super Bowl because they have their quarterback.
Not that Dallas does it, but I think he's hit
his seiling. I think Dak is taking the Cowboys as
far as he can take them, and he's always hurt.
He's always hurt. So I think that, you know, good
for Jerry and good for green Bay. This is a win. Wink.
I remember once upon a time a guy named Bill
Moran called me up one day we weren't working together,
and there was a local guy on a sports station
who was going off about how the Bills had just
completely screwed up by trading this guy named Sammy Watkins.
Speaker 1: Oh that was so stupid.
Speaker 2: How could you do that? And Brandon Peter, are you
an idiot? And you called me up? And you go
this guy at the Raiders, you know what he's talking about,
Go respectfully, No, I'm with you. They trained Sammy Watchett,
I think it was a trade, and they trained Ronald
Darby and they got they got, They got a bunch
of picks, and guess what those picks help eventually lead to.
Speaker 1: Josh Josh Allyeah, all right, why don't we take a
moment here and then we'll come back. There's something that
I think a lot of men are about my age
probably are dealing with, and it's causing a divorce rate
to go up for people in their late forties, fifties,
early fifties.
Speaker 7: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: OK, Yeah, divorce is down down overall, but in that cell,
it's up. And there's a reason why. And I'll play
audio from a good Morning America piece and we can
comment on it. I don't I don't know that there's
a lot. I don't know that we're justified just say
anything about it. But we'll have a let's see what
we could do. We'll get to all that right after this.
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Speaker 2: You know the song is this chim No. We were
born before the wind, also younger than the Sun.
Speaker 1: The bonny boat was one. You got me sail into
the mystic.
Speaker 8: Morrison, Yeah, he and Doors used to share the same
bill at the Whiskey Go Go in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: They used to play together a lot.
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Van Morrison and Jim Morrison. Yeah, not related, No, but
they would they would play. They would twin bill quite
a bit. People always loved the song.
Speaker 1: I found it to be somewhat a centual song. People
told me I was crazy, but were that.
Speaker 2: He's still alive. Yeah, I will be coming home. He's
in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Uh don't know the answer to I don't know the
answer to that. Uh, you know, but I always liked.
I always like Van Morrison A little bit of stuff there.
Speaker 2: I know people use Van Morrison as their wedding songs.
Really yeah, like what I think Norm Keefer. I think
moon Dance they did.
Speaker 1: Oh moon Dance. Yeah, that's that's that may be one
of the sexiest songs of all time. Actually, let me
see dance. There's a song that I always loved that
I think would be a great wedding song if I were.
I don't know that I'll ever do whatever. I don't
think I'll ever take that terrific.
Speaker 2: Uh, you never never say it ever, Danny, never say never.
But this is their wedding song, I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well that's some marful the snag for remote dance
with the start.
Speaker 2: Up and your eyes I can text him. I think
cover were you there? I got.
Speaker 1: Trees up boling, that sound of the breeze of that.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to please to the calling of
your hots, trying to play off and you know the
next magics.
Speaker 1: I am too.
Speaker 2: Somebody once told me, Yeah, I think his name was
Bill Moran. What I tell you then, a wedding invitation? Yeah,
there's nothing more than an invoice, so fucking true. It
was the day I announced my engagement. It was Yeah,
you know what what a invitation is. It's an invoice,
an invoice.
Speaker 1: I think I did say that I had funny things
I said, I didn't know. Uh, but I think for
a second wedding, I don't think it wouldn't be an invoice.
Speaker 2: I think you come and have a great time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hang out, you know what I mean. Like I
could see my.
Speaker 2: Second wedding, like some people sent gifts and some people didn't.
Speaker 1: Apparently I didn't.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, I'm talking about the people that you
expect for a second wedding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I
could see not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Second wedding.
Speaker 1: I think you may have found love when maybe you
didn't think he could, or it was a little more.
It means a little.
Speaker 2: More to you. You're older, you're wiser. Hopefully I tell
my wife, you got the lottery ticket right here, baby,
and maybe assured baby, says trophy husband. And I think
so there.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you want to be surrounded by the by love,
just pure love, and by that I mean like your children,
if you have children and their children.
Speaker 2: In our case, we were surrounded by just a couple
of friends. And the reason was because, like when I
started doing the math of if we started inviting people,
how much it was going to cost, and I would
end up paying for all. You know what, let's get
the lope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could see doing like a destination
if you could make it a vacation with family, stand
it family. I mean, I don't want to have a
bang hunt for the wedding night. This is a song
I love absolutely our wedding.
Speaker 2: I was at the Woodcliffe there you go, yeah, Harbus
move Neil. Yeah you knew it right? I love, I love,
I used to love Neil.
Speaker 1: I think this song is absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love. He ended up divorcing this woman to Beggy.
That happens.
Speaker 1: Neil's a cranky mother.
Speaker 2: He's a weird guy. It's those fucking cyberns.
Speaker 1: I used to. This will always remind me this summer
of ninety three, are working in Park City, Utah. This
and fields a goal by Sting. I was playing all
the time in the restaurant. But I love this song.
I love the words to it.
Speaker 3: Just like.
Speaker 1: Weak Dreams time. I could see this as being the
really wedding.
Speaker 2: It's one of his best songs. Yeah, it really is. Yeah,
I love it because a lot of his songs are
very straightforward and the leads are very choppy and just
not great. He's not a great guitarist, that's good, but
he's written like a thousand songs. Yeah, but this was
like a really well orchestrated song. Yeah.
Speaker 1: These backup singers are pretty high in this video.
Speaker 2: I don't know, we know where the music. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like this song anyway, not that I have any
reason to play it anytime soon. I wonder what how
do we get off? Every time you're here? It just goes,
I've lost my You haven't. You haven't lost your edge.
You've got your.
Speaker 2: Edge, all right.
Speaker 1: So there's something that I was kind of surprised. Divorce
rates overall down, but for people in their fifties is
what they say. I'm going to go late forties to fifties.
It seems to be on the rise. And the reason
is they're calling it the meno divorce, meaning menopause is
causing the divorce. I have this piece from Good Morning America.
We can listen to it a little bit and hear
what they have to you know, well, whether we agree disagree, certainly,
I think you come from more of a I think
you would even have seen your first marriage through if
there wasn't something that had happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was gonna say something terrible menopause, so flat,
Say what you're gonna say, No, we're friends. Say what
you're gonna say is something hit what we're on our
way out? No matter what, it's just because they had
another penis go interrupted by.
Speaker 5: Sleeplessness.
Speaker 7: But divorce, I think meno divorce is this idea that
a lot of divorces are happening because of menopause.
Speaker 5: Melissa McClure was with her husband for fourteen years.
Speaker 9: I was so angry. I felt like I wanted to
burn the world down. They didn't recognize myself anymore, and
therefore my husband didn't know how to handle me as well.
Speaker 5: They've been separated for a year now.
Speaker 1: Now, why are we not talking to him? I want
to hear his side of it, right.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck responsible journalism. Yeah you get one side. I
want both sides.
Speaker 1: I want to hear how bad it was, right, Yeah, yeah,
but I've heard that it's terrible, like menopause. Yeah no, no,
like hot flashes and can't get comfortable and irritable, and
it sounds like you're not getting laid during that time, fellas.
But if you love the person you know, you make
it work. You try to anyway, but both people have
to try well.
Speaker 9: Having more clarity now impopause that I am no longer
willing to be a people pleaser, I'm no longer willing
to be a nurturer.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? What what did she say?
Speaker 9: Really gave me that clarity.
Speaker 2: I'm no longer willing to be a people pleaser. Okay,
that part I could see. I'm no longer willing to
be a nurturer. Okay, but that's your role in life.
One of you.
Speaker 1: There are guys, one of you. I'm always surprised because
there's a term that people will use and it's partner
or partners. And I think if you're going to be
a partner, you gotta be pulling your weight. Yes, And
there are sometimes with guys and maybe I don't know,
but they don't or maybe they do. And the wife
it's never I guess it's.
Speaker 2: Never going to be completely equal.
Speaker 1: But when you've got kids, and I will say this,
if you have a job and you're the primary cooker
in your family, or you gotta get home, you gotta
get dinner going. You got it, Like, there's a lot
of shit that seems to fall at least old school thinking.
Speaker 2: Right to the woman, like where's the dinner? Woman? You
know what I mean? A woman wears my dinner every
working all day.
Speaker 1: I want to know, but I I just so I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't say.
Speaker 1: I wish I could back this up to hear what
she said. I think sometimes though, when it comes to nurturing,
there are women who it's like having another child in
the house. I used to get mad at the commercial
that mom got got a cold and dad dad had.
I used to get so fucking pissed of this because
it made every guy look like a dumb, fucking dope.
Because when I was married, not that my wife couldn't,
she just didn't like to do the ironing. And I
ironed everything. I would iron my fucking jeans. I ironed everything.
I didn't want to wrinkle in anything.
Speaker 2: I was weird.
Speaker 1: And this guy comes in and he's got an iron
burn in the back of his shirt, and the kid's
clothes are all pink because he washed the fucking lunger.
I go, Okay, maybe that's true in some instance, but
not every fucking guy is a morn like that, right,
you know, it's it's twenty whatever it was at the
time that this commercial was.
Speaker 2: This was in the nineties. I remember this commercial.
Speaker 1: I thought they reran it.
Speaker 2: Maybe they did. It was in the nineties.
Speaker 1: It bothered me, It bothered me. I remember I was
married when I saw it too, so I was I
think it may have been a day quill commercial, so
I can say, like, I get it, if you're if
the guy's not pulling his weight and shit like that,
and then who wants to deal with a cranky person?
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck what gender they are. I
don't care. You're an asshole. No one wants to deal
with you. How many times?
Speaker 1: Like you know, your wife just wants to kick you
out to the fucking garage because you're just.
Speaker 2: Being a dick.
Speaker 1: And then vice versa. Right, you know, give me your
fucking mano pause.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a meno pause. You know, it's it's
never the menopause, manopause, whatever it is. That's that's that's
the final straw. I think it starts way before that.
Maybe I don't know. I have no idea. I can't
pay that. But this woman says, you got somebody puts
the kids in front of the husband or wife. That's
the first step towards a disaster. I've I was listening
to a pastor talk about this. He goes, I'm at
the receiving line at the end of church, he said,
and the couples will come up with their kids, and
all of a sudden, one of the kids need something
and the wife will look to me. And this happened
more than one time. My husband knows his place, and
he goes, no, no, no, no, no no. Your husband
needs to come first, and you need to come first,
well after Jesus in his life, or it's never gonna
work if the kids all of a sudden, Now the
kids are growing up and you got nothing in comic
is what happened? You put all your time to the
kids and not into each other. That happens. No, the
menopause part is just like the final art.
Speaker 1: This is why.
Speaker 2: No, it is the It is the final straw because
all the idiosyncrasies over the past ten, fifteen, twenty years
are now adding up. And now when you start acting
cranky for no reason and it could be either person.
That's usually like, well, that is it.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point.
Speaker 9: I can't say I've turned my whole life down and
I started again and then I just like, I'm so
much happier now.
Speaker 2: Well for now, Well maybe she is happy. Maybe she is.
I know a woman who basically left her kids and
her husband just like you know, all right, I'm going
to serve myself. And she was great for the first
five six years. Now she's miserable and those kids ain't
coming back. How do you know, because I know them,
I'm related to them.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 5: The straights overall are dropping. Divorce among adults fifty and
older are on the rise and account for almost one
in three breakups.
Speaker 9: What can happen early on in marriages is seen as
maybe a ruffle, and after the shift in hormones, it
now becomes an avalanche.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In other words, your fault, the final straw, it's your fault, beach.
Speaker 1: Final straw, hormones. I think there was a lead up.
I think it's tough. I think it's very tough, and
I think you're right. I think you have to keep
the communication. I want to get to this one point.
Speaker 7: A part in the story That's probably one of the
biggest things that I hear about is the irritation they
may feel with the person that they've been with for
the longest period of time. Sometimes it's the way they
chew or you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: As that is idiosincret.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I started like everything starts to bother you. Yes,
the other person, right, It can can really really get
that way. That's why you need to keep it fresh fellas.
And I mean, yeah, it's got a fall a little
bit on you. I'm gonna give you a tip, a
tip that I think works. Listen, really listen to what's
being said, because in those conversations, little hints are dropped
about things, maybe not intentionally but like I'm not not
planning to see but so that way, all of a sudden,
you can surprise the person with you know, like let's
say this, UH was telling you, Oh God, I talked
to uh talk to Lisa today.
Speaker 2: Oh how's Lisa doing? It's great?
Speaker 1: Gee, you know, I was so happy. And so she
found that they went to this restaurant and they loved it.
It was blah blah blah restaurant and this and that
sounds so great, and that of the kids come storming in,
and the conversation goes, go fucking make reservations at that
restaurant a month later. Don't do it tomorrow, because.
Speaker 2: Then then they'll be like, yeah, give it.
Speaker 1: Give it a give it a little breathing room, give
it a breathing room, and then do that. And I'm
telling you that kind of ship I think, I think works.
Take it from a guy who fail several me too,
several times.
Speaker 7: Here we go a little more the way they, you know,
look at them in certain ways.
Speaker 5: Something that was true for Pennsylvania. Wife and mom done
a Hoffmeister just little things what said Hoffmeister Me Often
I'd be in a bad mood and respond poorly.
Speaker 9: They weren't doing anything majorly wrong.
Speaker 2: I know they were.
Speaker 1: Just it's her. He's's got two sons and a husband.
It's all dudes, All dudes, it's all dudes. They weren't
doing anything majorly wrong. But there was probably a puddle
on the floor and he stepped in it in the bathroom, and.
Speaker 2: You don't Tilly's press state was acting up at two
o'clock in the morning. They didn't want to like turn
the light on. They went to take a leak they missed.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like anything just
didn't have the tolerance to put up with any of
their crap.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that crap is, but we
all do things like you get. You know, let's say
it's the kids come home and they just throw their
shit around or the pile shit in the sink, and
those things can can become the little irritance about somebody
that could break things up.
Speaker 5: She found help from an obg y N who got
her on hormone therapy. When Donna says her husband worked
hard to understand.
Speaker 7: He's one that he just starts to do and take
care of things because he's trying to lighten my load.
Speaker 5: That's how he responded. Just swallow his what the pair
working on their communication and still together. I'm one of
the lucky ones.
Speaker 7: He definitely.
Speaker 9: Just even talking about I started to well up a
little bit.
Speaker 5: I've got a good one.
Speaker 7: We can give you the hormones, the HRT, but we
can't do a husband replacement therapy, right, That's something you
might have to do on your O.
Speaker 2: I thought that was cute. I thought it was She chuckled.
Speaker 5: Husband placement therapy out listen for some some guys.
Speaker 2: You're going fuck yeah.
Speaker 1: Bobby Slaton used to do a whole bit about how
jealousy was of gay guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll hear this.
Speaker 1: No, the bit was I'm gonna do it wrong, but
I'll just talking Bobby.
Speaker 2: Would you know my wife tried to be plugging. Let
me tell you what. I look at gay guys like
get jealous.
Speaker 1: You know what they get to do?
Speaker 2: They have second one and they watch the game.
Speaker 1: I gotta cuddle.
Speaker 2: There's no cuddling of these gay guys. Hey, what a beer,
Let's watch the game.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's exactly true, but yeah, who was it?
Speaker 2: Maybe with somebody at this show or somewhere. I heard
like a friend of mine said, like, what's the highest
divorce rate lesbian? It's why it's two women. They'll never
get along. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: If that's The couples had a good run and then
they're clear it's time to call it quits. But for
those who want to stay in their relationships, these folks
all had some good advice. First, recognize the mood disrupting
impacts of menopause. Try and get in front of that.
Seek help be it from an obgyn.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this, this is counselor this.
Speaker 1: Is stuff, and I mean this in all seriousness. I
need to just let the hang for a second because
they're so right. There's so many sexist jokes you give me.
But I think it's so im important that these things
get talked about, because I don't think they were when
my mom was going through this, which would have been
probably in the early nineties. And I certainly wasn't talked
about when my grandmother went through it, you know what
I mean, And so you were just labeled a bitch
or whatever, or here we go again. It's her being her,
and maybe she had some legitimate gripes. It just had,
you know, with everything else, and there was no appreciation
for it. There was no explanation behind it. It was
just irrational behavior and not treated. And I think that
when you talk about these things, like I said to
somebody today, something came up and I go, yeah, well,
you know, being molested. I think talking about that helps
other people makes them not feel alone. I'm sure there's
a woman somewhere who goes, I don't know why I'm
such a fucking raaching bitch. You know, you get a
moment of clarity and I'm treating him like shit and
he's getting mad at me, and all we do is
fight anymore, and I feel like it's my fault, but
I can't figure. Yeah, well, good these this is from
Good Morning America. I think it's a great piece. At
the end, there's no reason really play it. They go
back to the studio. Stephanopoulos is there. He's not saying shit. Okay,
But Sam Champion, who's the weather guy and I think
is gay.
Speaker 2: There were rumors about him and a certain baseball player.
Now nobody could prove it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Sam Champions a handsome guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so Sam.
Speaker 5: Uh And then some specific ideas for guys. They suggested,
try not to take things personally, be willing to change,
acknowledge your own pick.
Speaker 1: Your fucking socks up off the floor when everything calm.
Speaker 5: Maybe good advice for.
Speaker 2: When the iron is a little easier said than done.
Speaker 1: That made me sad.
Speaker 4: That made me sad.
Speaker 2: Come on, folks, try a little harder. That's your best
friend in the life part Yeah that was Sam.
Speaker 1: That's your best friend in your life, partner, And it
made me sad. And I can understand that because at
some point it was good. When did it When did
it go bad?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: At some point you liked each other that.
Speaker 2: I remember that show Blackish. Yeah okay, I never watched
the show, but there was one episode that caught my eye.
The couple was about to get divorced. I think they
ended up fixing things and they flat and they go,
how do we get here? She goes, I don't know,
and they flashed back to when they first moved into
the house. How do we get here? I don't know,
Like they were so happy and blessed, young and opera
and optimistic, and then there he's moving out. How do
we get here? I don't know. It's these little things
here or there. And in a lot of cases, guys,
you got to pick up after yourself. You gotta put
the dishes in the sink, don't just anything. Okay. So
that's the other side I wanted to get to. Sometimes
you can do everything right, but it's not there's a video.
You're not doing it right. There's a video from where
your there's a video. You gotta look this up. I'm
sure guys have seen this, right. It's it's a couple
and someone's holding the camera the phone. It's couples going
to get fruit at the supermarket, right and the.
Speaker 1: Guy so she starts.
Speaker 2: So he lets his wife pick two or three lemons
or oranges or whatever, tomatoes and avocados, puts them in
the bag. Once she gets a few in there, she'll
start looking for more. He'll pull one out and hand
it to her, go, hey, I got one. She looks
at it, puts it back. It's the same one she
picked out. And it's three or four times. Then they
go to the next cup, same thing. I think they
do another couple, same thing. Sure you got You have
to be able to it's it's it's like my older
sister said at my younger sister's wedding, when you give
a tot, it's both people giving one hundred percent. It's
not fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: It's not sixty forty. Some days and you do sixty forty.
There's days when.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be up. She's gonna be down, she's gonna
be up. You're gonna be down as long as you're
always giving one hundred percent with whatevery, whatever state you're in.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna say something different. Okay, make
sure you like the person.
Speaker 2: I think you can.
Speaker 1: And I also think at any age it is very
easy to confuse sex and love mm hmm. I think
sometimes physical stuff not that that's not important. You're not
you know, you can have a great relationship with somebody else,
but you're not having sex. Therefore it's not good. And
I do think passion in the marriage is very important
and in any you know, relationship that you're gonna have,
you gotta have that. But I think that the uh uh,
you gotta like the person, right. You gotta like their jokes,
you gotta like their laugh You gotta like things because
if you don't, if you're sort of on the edge.
I hate when she does that, and then I hate
when she does it, then you're gonna be off in
the weeds. So you gotta find it and you have
to be able to communicate. I I did couple's therapy
and it hated it for my own reasons, but I
just hated it. And then when I said I hated it,
then we wound up back at it and I had
to explain why I hated it.
Speaker 2: It's a worse. Well, it's relationships take work. But as
long as you like the person simple yeah, no, no,
you nailed it. You nailed it. You need to like
the other person. Well, I'm saying like, yeah, you could
love each other, but not necessarily.
Speaker 1: You can love in a physical sense and that and this,
but at the bottom core.
Speaker 2: Of it all, you gotta like really like her your
best friend or not, well, you.
Speaker 1: Gotta be and and the best friend thing. I always go, Okay,
is that really true? But yeah, you gotta have you
gotta love talking to that person. You gotta get excited
when you see him.
Speaker 2: You gotta those right. I am always when I'm not here,
I'm always with my wife. If we're not working, We're
always together everywhere. For her, I know, right, yeah, she's
gonna get dan bus. When we were in New York
this week, I she was, She's like seeing I duc No, No,
we're gonna cross here across across. I saved her life
a couple of times. No, I found the train station too,
but no, but the but yeah, I mean, but we're
always together. The price. Oh we had cracker checks too.
But Lou Holtz, yeah, you know Lou Holt.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He said something very very profile when he went to ESPN,
Like Lou Holtz became like a life coach after his
coaching career, and Mike Greenberg tells this great story where
coach Holt starts sprinking. Greenberg, by the way, I don't
know it surprised. I'm looking at the hair lately and
somebody pointed out to me. I went, and he's very
particular in a lot of things, and he likes to
talk about himself a lot.
Speaker 1: I think he does a great job.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he calls himself a poor man's Bob Costas,
and Bob Costas said, no, no, no, you're you're you're
damn good and what you do, and he is. But
Greenberg on the ESPN said, one time he's walking down
the hallways in Bristol and they have a huge campus
and lou Hole starts sprinting after him because coach, coach,
it's matter. He goes, do you have kids, Yeah, coach,
I do make sure every day of their lives they
know how much you love their mother. Yeah, And he goes, wow, okay, thanks,
thanks coached. Give you one.
Speaker 1: Guess guy got a compliment.
Speaker 2: So I know a couple whom I was at their wedding.
I thought they I didn't even know they had issues
until one day I get the call that they're getting divorced. Wait, wait,
time out, what when did this happen? She had breast cancer. Yeah,
and they get rid of it all, but then some
of it starts to come back in little cells, and like, okay,
we got to put you on this drug. It's a
very common canti cancer drug. It's called tamoxifin. They call
it the divorced drug for a reason, because all of
a sudden people get psychotic, and she had to take this.
Couple end up getting divorced, and it got to a
point where even like he didn't want to fight for
it anymore. I mean it's like, you know, so be
careful with the hormone therapy too. I mean that could
be like it's absolutely necessary. Okay, fine, I don't know.
Just be careful with medication because that plays a part too.
Let's not like always say the medications is the cure.
Sometimes it could be the cause.
Speaker 1: Possibly smart enough to know all that stuff, But I
would be to say that if you really care on
both sides, you can find some common ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to want it, you have to want it, Yeah, seriously, Yeah,
I want that By that, you know, I get it,
you know. I mean I I had a doctor once
tell me I go, hey, I'm hearing more and more
I'm seeing more testosterone ads. Doc, just out of curiosity.
You just don't even think about it. And he goes
about in the nineties estrogen became a thing for women
and they loved it. They were all on it, they
all wanted it. And then the two thousands andrometrial cancers
became a thing more and we'll pronounced than ever before
he goes Your body has its natural way of doing things.
Try not to like mess with it.
Speaker 1: Work out, yeah, or just work Yeah, the workout. You'll
be fine, all right. Danny covered a lot of grounds today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from all radio stories. Football seasons covered football, college
football season this weekend, Yes, Miami and Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Back at it, Miami and Notre Dame. That's uh, that's
a good kick off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then two weeks say Jeff Fisher starts, there's a season,
U of R starts theirs, Blackports starts theirs, and of
course the Buffalo Bills start there.
Speaker 1: That's right on a Thursday night where I'm not sure that.
Speaker 2: I think they're not playing Thursday.
Speaker 1: They're playing Sunday. Excuse me, I think that I'm I
think I'm going to let me let me pause this
for a second day. Sorry, I don't like when I
do that, but I gotta do this. I'm not sure.
I think the Ravens have been game planning all year
since the end of the season to beat the Buffalo Bills.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills lose that game.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't either.
Speaker 1: And if they go fourteen and one or does it
sixteen and a seven, sixteen, sixteen and one, If they
went that, I could see it. Let them lose the
first game, it's fine. I don't want them losing them
week nineteen or whatever we get to. But I wouldn't
be surprised. No, I don't think anybody would. It feels
like they and this is their super Bowl. They need
to prove that they're better. And Josh Allen won the
m v P. There was talk that Lamar would win
it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he won the he won All Pro Quarterback. He
split the baby basically right.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is like, I just I feel
like they're fired up for this, although the game's at home,
and who knows.
Speaker 2: If they lose. If they lose a close game to Baltimore,
you can't. You can't put it in a vacuum. So
if they lose a close game to Baltimore, and Baltimore
just outplay just happens to beat them, and it's very close,
and it's like something here or there, okay, like a fumble,
and Inner said, okay, fine, I can live with that.
I can't live with a Bills blowout loss. And I
can't live with a head coaching, head scratching decision that
leads to them losing. Right, I can lose, but I
can because let's be honest, if Mark Andrews doesn't drop
that two point conversion in the playoff game about the
Bills looking for revenge this week, they beat themselves Baltimore people,
yet well Marlake had a couple of head.
Speaker 1: Scratchers did and hopefully again right, hopefully again.
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if Buffalo lost this game.
But I will tell you this, give can I give
you a preview of my columnists coming up Saturday in
the Tisway County. It's about the dependency cycle.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, what are we depending on?
Speaker 2: Well, Josh Allen needs somebody else to base or else.
Eventually everyone's going to resent his boss. So that's in
a nutshell all right.
Speaker 1: Now for Dan Burrella on Bill Moran, have a wonderful
holiday weekend.
Speaker 2: We will see you on Tuesday. Cold to you.
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