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Speaker 2: before you get into it, plug your stuff. Where can
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Speaker 2: Nick from the Occult Rejects, welcome to the show for
Speaker 2: the first time, I think especially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Occult Rejects. That's on bit shoot, Rumble
Speaker 1: and YouTube. Just talking about YouTube and all major podcasts.
Speaker 1: And we do have the Occult Research Institute dot org.
Speaker 1: It's a website. Thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 2: I'll put the links in the description. But dude, why
Speaker 2: the Occult Rejects. What happened? Tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about your story, ex Oto, what got you into all
Speaker 2: that originally.
Speaker 1: I guess the whole rejects and even the pearole thing
Speaker 1: is probably because like originally when we started the show,
Speaker 1: I was xot O and my co hosts re suppose
Speaker 1: the ex Golden Dorn or maybe aymoorc. But you know,
Speaker 1: he was he was into the stuff. So I guess
Speaker 1: we started to call out, like we were playing around,
Speaker 1: being like, oh, we got to come up with a
Speaker 1: name for the show, you know, like I had it
Speaker 1: hit him on my show a few times, and we
Speaker 1: started talking about doing our own show. And I think
Speaker 1: it was mostly because for me it was more of
Speaker 1: like we didn't I felt I didn't fit in in
Speaker 1: the OTO. I felt like a reject there, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't belong and I also owned that kind of
Speaker 1: really down with. I guess that the places ran so
Speaker 1: I thought when Tolly Arnswen and Lux came up with
Speaker 1: the name, I was like, oh, that's perfect. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess kind of like being rejects, like he he
Speaker 1: didn't fit in or he didn't think he belonged, he
Speaker 1: wasn't down with kind of the idea of how magic
Speaker 1: is normally used nowadays. So I guess, you know, we're
Speaker 1: considered rejects. We're not down, I guess with the club,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So yeah, it's a little different.
Speaker 1: And plus, like I do think one of the major
Speaker 1: things is not saying that others are wrong. I do
Speaker 1: believe you might even say this is one symbolism can
Speaker 1: have like seven different meanings. Who knows. But I do
Speaker 1: think that we try to look at it a little
Speaker 1: bit differently than other people do as well, So I
Speaker 1: even think that makes any sense, like a little bit
Speaker 1: not a reject, but just different.
Speaker 2: More like a retard. Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna be my next podcast, The Occult Retard.
Speaker 2: The we should do a show like that, just talk
Speaker 2: about it. But did he go back? Did year old?
Speaker 2: Did he go back into the organization? Or you just
Speaker 2: fizzled out or what ye life happened?
Speaker 1: Uh no, ways, it's a long old story.
Speaker 2: It's just you don't have to tell me.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, it just didn't work out anymore. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he eventually left and then uh I just pulled some
Speaker 1: magic out of my ass, I guess, and still made
Speaker 1: it happen and eventually built it up to what it.
Speaker 2: Is now, So what got you to join the OTO? Because, right,
Speaker 2: this is something that I have a lot of people
Speaker 2: who hit me up who are always asking me about
Speaker 2: the occult and write the esoteric and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people I never made the jump,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people will make the jump and
Speaker 2: they joined the Rosicrucians or the OTO or you know,
Speaker 2: more common than the Freemasons. Right, that's that's a common one.
Speaker 1: It's easy, finals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they feel like they're gonna get access to
Speaker 2: some sort of knowledge or their promise something. But what
Speaker 2: got you to join?
Speaker 1: I was I got into conspiracies like around twenty ten,
Speaker 1: and I heavily gravitated towards like Jordan Maxwell, David Ike,
Speaker 1: Michael Tassarian, Mark Passio, a lot of people who were
Speaker 1: mainly a cult as well or into I guess talking
Speaker 1: about the occult and studying it and you know whatever, teaching
Speaker 1: people about it. So I was like heavily into that
Speaker 1: and did believe that there's something behind it and eventually
Speaker 1: just this is just for me, Like eventually I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm learning world. These orders are what country
Speaker 1: they started in? Who supposedly started it? And then you're
Speaker 1: gonna mind fuck all that as well. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: I still don't know what the fuck magic is. I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten anyway except for just following dates, names and lodges.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is magic? So I was like, let
Speaker 1: me see if I can find one of these places,
Speaker 1: maybe they're buying me. I am in New York at
Speaker 1: the time, and I was in Queens, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's probably some weird shit out here. So
Speaker 1: I started looking for the Golden Dawn because believing it,
Speaker 1: and I would have been a little bit more interested
Speaker 1: in that. I will say I think Crowley's in a
Speaker 1: cult genius, but I also think he was a degenerate,
Speaker 1: so I really wasn't looking to join the OTO at first.
Speaker 1: There was no Golden Down near me. I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: go for like Temple a Set or the Church of Satan.
Speaker 1: I was looking for more of something that was more
Speaker 1: of like ceremonial magic and kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: more strict, which is why I wanted to pick the
Speaker 1: Golden Dawn. So I was like, well, let me see
Speaker 1: if there's an no Oteo around here. There was one
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes away from my house, and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I guess I guess that's what it is,
Speaker 1: because like even with the Freemasons, I knew Freemasons, and
Speaker 1: they were like, this is just their experience. They said,
Speaker 1: if you wann't to get into like actual like that
Speaker 1: type of stuff, you're gonna have to stay around for
Speaker 1: a long time. Before they even talk about that, the
Speaker 1: like Golden Dorn or Oto, you're obviously going in because
Speaker 1: you want to practice ceremonial magic. I mean, it's so blatant,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that's what they talk about.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, to Mason's obviously probably
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work for me. So I looked up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I found the OTO, and you know, these places they're
Speaker 1: really not that secret. They have websites that will like
Speaker 1: advertise where their lodges are, and they all have social media.
Speaker 1: I think, like I found to Hoodi Lodge, which is
Speaker 1: the lodge I used to go to. I think I
Speaker 1: found it on Facebook. I think I had a link
Speaker 1: for it on the website, and then they had like
Speaker 1: a calendar of like events and an email and I
Speaker 1: checked it out and I was like, oh, the Gnostic mass,
Speaker 1: I'll try that, and I went and uh, six years
Speaker 1: later I finally left. But yeah, it was more of
Speaker 1: because I actually wanted to know, like what's really going
Speaker 1: on in these things, like what kind of stuff do
Speaker 1: they practice? Did they study? You know? Prior to that,
Speaker 1: I already started getting into kind of like Thelemix style stuff,
Speaker 1: or at least the heck, you know, the hexagram ritol
Speaker 1: and the pentagram ritol which was used by the Oto
Speaker 1: Golden Dorn and a lot of secret societies, but you know,
Speaker 1: suggested by the Oto. So I had already had experience
Speaker 1: with like some of the things that they would use.
Speaker 1: So then eventually I was like, I think it's time
Speaker 1: to actually go to a place and see what's really
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: So I'm stuck in this place recently where it's like, right, conspiracies,
Speaker 2: the cult, It's kind of the same thing, Right, can
Speaker 2: we control entities?
Speaker 1: Are their entities?
Speaker 2: Religion itself is a conspiracy. I mean there's people still
Speaker 2: debating the legitimacy of quite literally everything is magic real, Nick.
Speaker 2: I know you've talked about like the whole near death
Speaker 2: experience and you know, crossing the abyss and things of
Speaker 2: that nature, But is it a real thing. Is it
Speaker 2: putting yourself in a state of mind to believe what's
Speaker 2: the what's the kicker man? What have you figured out
Speaker 2: so far in this journey?
Speaker 1: Throughout throughout That's a good way to put it. Throughout
Speaker 1: my journey. My idea of magic has changed, and I
Speaker 1: do think there's probably ways that you can look at
Speaker 1: magic in different ways. And I think the first two
Speaker 1: is probably more of what the public seems to think
Speaker 1: it is. There's that magic where it's kind of like
Speaker 1: that book The Secret or I'm just gonna tell myself
Speaker 1: this is what's gonna happen. I'm gonna keep thinking about it.
Speaker 1: You know, you almost pre program yourself to kind of
Speaker 1: put yourself to get where you want to go, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Where people will like almost like
Speaker 1: kind of like revalue. They constantly tell them like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get that car. I'm gonna get that car, you know,
Speaker 1: like stupid shit like that, like self help book. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I do believe there is something to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a very basic, low level type
Speaker 1: stuff that these these people have just started practicing yoga
Speaker 1: on Instagram, going about for hours you know, you know
Speaker 1: what type of shit. I'm sure there is some legitimacy
Speaker 1: to that. Then, like when I started really getting into magic,
Speaker 1: it's more of I do think, and this is my opinion.
Speaker 1: If you want to, I do think you can actually
Speaker 1: control to an extent the world around you. And I
Speaker 1: think that's a lot of what people seem to think
Speaker 1: is magic. I'm gonna do something that's going to create
Speaker 1: a change in the environment around me, that is true.
Speaker 1: But I do think that that is solely just black magic. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: That's just my opinion, because you're gonna have to change
Speaker 1: the will of something around in this world, probably you
Speaker 1: have to bend something to your will, that's my opinion,
Speaker 1: and I do think that seems to be even when
Speaker 1: it comes to conspiracies. People just seem to think that
Speaker 1: that's kind of in my opinion, maybe I'm wrong, people
Speaker 1: seem to think that that is like really the only
Speaker 1: kind of like magic, Like I'm going to evoke something
Speaker 1: that's gonna come in and it's going to change or
Speaker 1: give me whatever I want. I really don't have. I
Speaker 1: have had experiences in the past or maybe for work,
Speaker 1: I wanted to make a talisman, so my job went better,
Speaker 1: but like really trite, and it was always to change me. Actually,
Speaker 1: will I be able to speak better to my customers
Speaker 1: to get what I want? Will I be able to
Speaker 1: manipulate them with my speech to get what I want it?
Speaker 1: You know? But still again I'm affecting them, but I'm
Speaker 1: really focusing more on me. But it's a fucking loop.
Speaker 1: It's a bullshit. You're bullshitting yourself. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're gonna bullshit yourself about how to make sense of this.
Speaker 1: Eventually I started stopped fucking with that and started getting
Speaker 1: into the whole thing of actually literally just changing me
Speaker 1: because I'm tired of who I am. And I actually
Speaker 1: just literally started doing rituals and prayers to God. I
Speaker 1: want to know the answers, no matter what I have
Speaker 1: to do, I want to know the answers. Who are you?
Speaker 1: What's God? What's the after life? What's out there? I
Speaker 1: was totally ready to be given some sort of answer
Speaker 1: for that. But eventually it started to become a lot
Speaker 1: more where I was focusing on me and only me again,
Speaker 1: Like I would do certain rituals to hope to maybe
Speaker 1: invoke a different energy, Like again, I'm in aries and
Speaker 1: you know a little bit about me. I could be
Speaker 1: very hot headed or just you know what I'm whatever
Speaker 1: from New York, you know. Yeah, he was obviously I
Speaker 1: need something some times I might need some balance, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I know that, so I
Speaker 1: would try to work. You know, I would work maybe
Speaker 1: with like a a venus, you know, or something like that.
Speaker 1: You love beauty, patience, maybe you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I would try to change myself. But it was my opinion,
Speaker 1: real real magic, and I just went dragging this all out.
Speaker 1: For my opinion is you know what I've said to
Speaker 1: you before is to separate I think your soul from
Speaker 1: your body and have an experience with God. And you
Speaker 1: know that's really kind of what I think magic is.
Speaker 2: Getting there is the is the kicker right as to
Speaker 2: write deep meditation, substances, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: Oh, that is one thing I do just want to add.
Speaker 1: Whenever I did have magical experiences was before I started
Speaker 1: smoking weed again, so I was sober. So I just
Speaker 1: want to say there was no drug. Is when I've
Speaker 1: had these experiences. Use that all.
Speaker 2: Well, fasting is powerful too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I have I have done basically,
Speaker 1: I have done some forms of fasting. I have done that,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying drug wise, I've never taken drugs
Speaker 1: for originally I've had the drug.
Speaker 2: Use, yeah, yeah, But the being sober and the fast
Speaker 2: thing I've heard, you know, brings forth these oh yeah,
Speaker 2: these experiences. Right, if you're gonna contact God or be
Speaker 2: in the presence of God, need to be purified to
Speaker 2: a certain extent.
Speaker 1: Now, how many people can do that, That's true, not
Speaker 1: many people.
Speaker 2: So there you eliminate fifty percent of the people who
Speaker 2: can't fast right or whatever it is for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: and then the discipline on top of that eliminate half
Speaker 2: of those people.
Speaker 1: I just don't even do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But for example, like the whole conspiracy crowd, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure you see it. I think we've talked about
Speaker 2: it before, where when something happens in the super Bowl
Speaker 2: or something somewhere with Trump or anywhere, it's.
Speaker 1: It's a richal look at that thirty three blah blah.
Speaker 1: I can't even get down with that stuff anymore.
Speaker 2: But do you think that there is something to that?
Speaker 1: I think something.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's weird, Like for example, yesterday I did an
Speaker 2: episode in the Info Wars egals thirty three and Brian
Speaker 2: White or whatever the dude's name was equals thirty three
Speaker 2: and that was the I was just murdered from Info Wars.
Speaker 1: I yes, I do think stuff like that, for sure,
Speaker 1: But it's just just certain things that like, how could
Speaker 1: I put it this way? If unless you're a freemason
Speaker 1: and you've done the third degree initiation, how are you
Speaker 1: gonna go on and tell people something you just watched
Speaker 1: on TV it was a third degree initiation? You don't
Speaker 1: fucking know. Yeah, people going on saying that Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: f I was a third degree initiation? Are you fucking Mason?
Speaker 1: And dumbem? The fuck are you telling people? You have
Speaker 1: no idea?
Speaker 2: I didn't see that one.
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard people say that, and it's like,
Speaker 1: unless you're actually a freemason and gone through the third degree,
Speaker 1: how are you telling thousands of people that that's what
Speaker 1: that is? It's a joke. You have a a lot
Speaker 1: of that going on. People who have never stepped into
Speaker 1: a temple or stepped into a ring of telling people
Speaker 1: what the fuck's going on on those things and they
Speaker 1: have zero clue. But people love it though. Mick and
Speaker 1: people believe it one hundred percent silly, and then people
Speaker 1: who actually try to like tell you science and real
Speaker 1: shit get blown off. It was like, that's boring. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I guess I have to make up like sci fi
Speaker 1: stories to keep it interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the society.
Speaker 1: That we love. We'll talk about aliens for I'm serious though, bro,
Speaker 1: Like that's what people want. I'll just talk about aliens.
Speaker 2: Well, this is another one. I can't prove to you
Speaker 2: that it was real.
Speaker 1: All. I can't prove to you that it's not real, right, No,
Speaker 1: but I think you're onto something. There is something with it.
Speaker 1: I believe the stories you can read about it.
Speaker 2: But the are is the magic is the cult or
Speaker 2: you know these aspects you're you're talking about, like shaping
Speaker 2: yourself and going through this experience, is it all part
Speaker 2: of your brain? Like is this different facets of your psyche?
Speaker 2: Like is it different aspects of yourself? Because like that's
Speaker 2: you know, the self help stuff, in my opinion works
Speaker 2: and this sounds really stupid, but the whole being in
Speaker 2: the right mindset.
Speaker 1: I've had that work for me, and I have a
Speaker 1: video of.
Speaker 2: Me manifesting that fish that's right there on my wall
Speaker 2: with that picture there. The biggest fish I've ever caught
Speaker 2: to this day, right, And it was weird because the
Speaker 2: the day before, me and my boy always go to
Speaker 2: this lake.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's one of the biggest lakes in Central Florida, Lake Tohoe,
Speaker 2: and it's a hard lake. It's they do a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of tournaments out there, like all the
Speaker 2: pros fish it and it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 2: hard lake, right, it's you know, however, many hundred acres
Speaker 2: and a lot of times they would go, we'd not
Speaker 2: have like good luck, right, would be out there for bro.
Speaker 2: Fun fact, I started doing fishing videos before I started podcasting,
Speaker 2: But you would go out for twelve hours a day
Speaker 2: to try and catch a fish, and when you wouldn't
Speaker 2: catch anything for twelve hours, you're like, what the hell
Speaker 2: am I gonna put out?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So the day before and I caught all this on camera,
Speaker 2: Bro was the craziest ship ever. It's on my YouTube
Speaker 2: channel somewhere. And the day before I was, you know,
Speaker 2: telling myself, I'm gonna kill it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna kill it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have the greatest time, the greatest fishing day ever.
Speaker 2: And when we got there bro playing it like boom
Speaker 2: and this is all on camera, all in the video,
Speaker 2: slaying it, slaying it. And then the last catch of
Speaker 2: the day. I'm telling my boy, I go, bro, there's
Speaker 2: a giant out here. Somewhere, there's a giant. He's like, yeah, Bro,
Speaker 2: this is this is how you're gonna You're gonna catch
Speaker 2: the biggest one of your life on the video. Bro,
Speaker 2: this is all on video, Like, I'm not making any
Speaker 2: of this ship. And he's like, You're gonna catch the
Speaker 2: biggest one of your life. And I'm like yeah, bro, like,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be crazy. And my speed worm ah.
Speaker 2: It broke the tail right, and I'm like oh and
Speaker 2: I and I go, hey, I broke the tail off
Speaker 2: this bitch. I remember the words bro, like and everything.
Speaker 2: I broke the tail off this bitch. That's how you know.
Speaker 2: It's the juice. And my boy goes, yeah, that's the juice, right,
Speaker 2: and I cast and I'm just slowly reaching so it's.
Speaker 1: Broken and it worked and it caught the biggest one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It was like it was one of the
Speaker 2: things that we did after a while that the tail
Speaker 2: comes off and I'm like just reeling it in, and
Speaker 2: it feels like my lure is stuck, right because we're
Speaker 2: fishing off shore and hook sets are free, right, So
Speaker 2: I reel in a little bit and I set the
Speaker 2: dog shit out the hook. Bro, I'm just like, boom,
Speaker 2: it was something on the other end, right, And I
Speaker 2: knew it was big because you hear in the video.
Speaker 2: My my my reel goes like it's like from how
Speaker 2: much pressure is on it, and I'm like, I tell
Speaker 2: my boy, I'm like, bro, this is a giant because
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know when when you got a
Speaker 2: big fish. Right, He goes, what are you talking about, bro?
Speaker 2: So again all on video, I'm reeling it in fighting
Speaker 2: this fish, the biggest fish I've ever caught this to
Speaker 2: this day, nine points something pound almost ten pounds back right,
Speaker 2: it's a huge bass.
Speaker 1: And my boys helping me out.
Speaker 2: I'm trying not to get it, you know, caught in
Speaker 2: the trolling moat and everything, and it jumps out of
Speaker 2: the water and we see it for the first time, BRO,
Speaker 2: Like we I could fit my whole hand into its mouth. Okay,
Speaker 2: my whole arm and hand into its mouth. So we
Speaker 2: see this giant. Mind you, there's like seven boats around us.
Speaker 2: They're all watching us because we were killing it that
Speaker 2: day just like boom boom boom, and my boy starts.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to stay calm and my boy is trying
Speaker 2: to calm me down. He's like, bro, bring it over
Speaker 2: with the net everything, bro, and you'll see. I'll send
Speaker 2: you the video.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: The it was exciting, porgasmic, right, like it's like like
Speaker 2: you have like this feeling you see, bro, you see
Speaker 2: my emotion everything in that video because but it all
Speaker 2: started the day before. I was like I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a good boy. I'm gonna do good and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna kill it tomorrow, right and it worked, bro, you know,
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I.
Speaker 1: Like that is real?
Speaker 2: You know it is. So I feel like I affected
Speaker 2: my reality in a way. And this is I'm talking
Speaker 2: about this particular thing because I can prove it, like
Speaker 2: I have a video, Like I have a video the
Speaker 2: whole thing, and I call you know the time I
Speaker 2: manifested the biggest fish I've ever caught, and I kind
Speaker 2: of did, because bro, what are the chances that right
Speaker 2: when I'm like, I got the juice, bro off this
Speaker 2: bitch and I cast it, yeah, bro, and I'm really
Speaker 2: it in And then that was the That was the cast.
Speaker 1: My boy had the affirmations and everything ready He's like, yeah, bro.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do it. It's gonna be the biggest one
Speaker 2: and go yeah and that that, Bro, that was the cast.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's crazy that.
Speaker 1: It worked. That's crazy. That's like a cool experience to have.
Speaker 1: Say you good for you, man.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that was the the last fish of
Speaker 2: the day that we had to call. And then I
Speaker 2: took pictures with it, I took measurements, and I went home, bro,
Speaker 2: because what are you gonna do? Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what I'm saying, like, what else has
Speaker 1: nothing to do? Now?
Speaker 2: You got that high, right, so if you catch anything else,
Speaker 2: it's not gonna even be uh remotely even close to.
Speaker 1: Put yourself in a pigeon hole after that one.
Speaker 2: So again, what I was saying, telling yourself, is it
Speaker 2: part of your your psyche? Is it part of your mind?
Speaker 2: Are these things that you're tapping into because you were
Speaker 2: talking about shifting between different energies and different facets of
Speaker 2: like Hey, this day I'm gonna invoke venus or this
Speaker 2: day I'm gonna invoke Saturn. What if that's just like,
Speaker 2: you know, a Youngian approach of these are different parts
Speaker 2: of our own selves.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I do believe that. Actually I do believe that.
Speaker 1: I mean I even when I would work on certain
Speaker 1: things like that, I would look at like what am
Speaker 1: I doing and what do I want to stop doing?
Speaker 1: You know, I would acknowledge that maybe certain aspects of
Speaker 1: my personality believe it or not, as cheesy as it sounds.
Speaker 1: And I have said this to people and on the show,
Speaker 1: and I mean I because of being you know, whatever mandated.
Speaker 1: I have done some like I've been to AA and
Speaker 1: rehebs before in the past, but it's almost like doing
Speaker 1: like a fourth step from AA. I would say, like
Speaker 1: if you actually wrote, well, if you filled that out
Speaker 1: and did that and kind of like did it to
Speaker 1: yourself and really looked at yourself like that, that is
Speaker 1: a lot like shadow work and kind of what magicians
Speaker 1: are doing, believe it or not, And then you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna look at that shit and you're gonna want
Speaker 1: to change it about yourself, and you're gonn start trying
Speaker 1: to figure out ways to do it.
Speaker 2: Isn't that what the TikTok uh psychic say.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate that phrase. It's like I think
Speaker 1: wake a right away, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2: Because the it was Crawley right that said that the
Speaker 2: goetia was a part of yourself. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you said that.
Speaker 1: Originally he thought it was part of the aspects of
Speaker 1: the brain, which I do. I do believe it is,
Speaker 1: and then I think, I don't. It wasn't like they
Speaker 1: put out a new book, or maybe they did, maybe
Speaker 1: they edited it, or he said it in another book
Speaker 1: that one of his other released that he thinks it's
Speaker 1: both that they could be, which I find interesting because
Speaker 1: that's actually what I think sometimes pulled the guy saw.
Speaker 1: I do think it's something you're creating, but then it
Speaker 1: ends up creating the world around you. So I can
Speaker 1: see the Goatians still being that it's in your head,
Speaker 1: but maybe it does actually manifest in reality. There's a way,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying within the cult is you
Speaker 1: never understand what the fuck they're really saying. Let's they
Speaker 1: get specific, that's my opinion. Yeah, and unless you're you're uh,
Speaker 1: you're initiated, right, Yeah, I mean that's the whole aspect
Speaker 1: but he does say he thinks it could be both
Speaker 1: all the aspects of the mind, or they could be real.
Speaker 2: But he also did write that some people's will is
Speaker 2: to have their will bent to your own will. So
Speaker 2: sometimes no means yes, right, that he was weird. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was into some some stuff. But he did expose
Speaker 2: expose a lot of things, right, And I think.
Speaker 1: That's what I think is weird that I tell you, Like,
Speaker 1: even his story is kind of like weird if you
Speaker 1: think about it, Like he originally came out kind of
Speaker 1: like exposing magic. I mean, that's why he put out
Speaker 1: all that Golden Dawn stuff. He was pretty much saying, like,
Speaker 1: this is what it's about, and I think everybody should
Speaker 1: be privy to it. That's actually how he first started,
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, oh my god, he's releasing all
Speaker 1: these rituals. Technically he was releasing shit he wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to technically.
Speaker 2: But wasn't it Regardi that put put out the.
Speaker 1: All those stuff, No, all those libs with his I
Speaker 1: mean regard he might have put out some, but certain
Speaker 1: libs though those are all Crawley, a lot of them.
Speaker 2: But because the way I've understood it is I think
Speaker 2: it was Royce or somebody went to him and told
Speaker 2: him that he had he had unintentionally.
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, actually, but it's something in the Book of.
Speaker 2: The Law, something in the Book of the Law.
Speaker 1: I actually think the Book of the Laws is my
Speaker 1: and is all focusing on the.
Speaker 2: Eyeball in the brain perception.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well actually how it works and everything too. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you even think you believe in that had
Speaker 1: is a planoff for d h A, which is something
Speaker 1: inside your eyeball as well as fish. Yeah, this is God,
Speaker 1: well God would be the God. Yeah. Yeah. Even even
Speaker 1: the Stella of Revelation, in my opinion, looks like an eyeball,
Speaker 1: and it looks like the cones and the rods that
Speaker 1: are in there and all that ship. So what say
Speaker 1: that again, the stella of revelation. Yeah, there's even stuff
Speaker 1: in his rituals that he does that, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is pointing to the pineal glen Like I I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but I do think the guy understood
Speaker 1: the eyeball in some of the stelli of on and
Speaker 1: and of cough consu or the Stella of revelation, Yeah,
Speaker 1: either one of those cough consu. Yeah, he thought he
Speaker 1: was that too, thought he was consu he thought he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah this thing here, yeah, yes, So what are we
Speaker 2: looking at? You said that it's like the eyeball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that's part of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's be hard to get into, but those are like
Speaker 1: the same things on the bottom. You see that that
Speaker 1: thing that's spinning kind of that You got a lot
Speaker 1: of the cones and the rods in your eyeball of
Speaker 1: the same colors. Yeah, I do think that might be
Speaker 1: like the back of the eyeball.
Speaker 2: So this is interesting because John Dee was into optics
Speaker 2: as well, and he was he was into a lot
Speaker 2: of things, but he had this thing called katroptics, which
Speaker 2: was pretty much being able to turn your soul into
Speaker 2: a mirror of sorts, right, I mean, and that's interesting
Speaker 2: because it's got to do with the stellar rays and
Speaker 2: things of that nature where they say everything is emitting light, right,
Speaker 2: we're all light beings or light is coming out from us,
Speaker 2: and the way that our lights interact, that's an all
Speaker 2: chemical reaction. And you're also able to snuff out the
Speaker 2: light of something else and you use that like or
Speaker 2: you know, use the energy of that life for purposes
Speaker 2: right and sacrifice, et cetera, things of this nature. And
Speaker 2: I forgot where it was that I saw something about
Speaker 2: like an upside down eye. Stuff I'd have to find
Speaker 2: I probably did an episode on it a long time ago.
Speaker 2: But I've seen this before. Where But here's my problem,
Speaker 2: because when I think of the occult, a lot of
Speaker 2: the times, a lot of these guys that were exposing it, right,
Speaker 2: So you're saying he almost had like, well.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like I'm not saying like he was
Speaker 1: a good guy. I'm just saying that's kind of how
Speaker 1: his story is, which I find weird. I just find
Speaker 1: that even weird to begin with.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was exposing it but got wrapped up in
Speaker 2: it at the same time, right, like, because his whole
Speaker 2: thing was against the being against the church, right, he
Speaker 2: hated the church because allegedly what they had done to
Speaker 2: his father and stuff.
Speaker 1: Even he even had like a magical experience and then
Speaker 1: stops fucking with magic for a few years and then
Speaker 1: came back. Even did that.
Speaker 2: When he was younger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean there's even that too, which I
Speaker 1: find interesting. Where'd you go guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because a lot of the guys that write about
Speaker 2: the occult. And this is where I'm struggling because, for example,
Speaker 2: the Goatia, right you have, John Veayer wrote the pseudo
Speaker 2: Monarchiam Daimonum, where it was supposed to be satire, supposed
Speaker 2: to be, uh, you know, a work of fiction. It
Speaker 2: was supposed to be making fun of people. Or is
Speaker 2: the satire part of the occult. But sometimes I think
Speaker 2: the occult is occulting the fact that it's gay, faking gay,
Speaker 2: you know, and that it's.
Speaker 1: This is one of the secrets right there, mystery mysteries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think, Yeah, I think. I think there's plenty
Speaker 1: of rabbit holes that are twist out there too by magicians.
Speaker 1: Yeah take this, it's fake and gay, but you'll, you'll,
Speaker 1: he'll entertain you for y.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And like, what was it that I
Speaker 2: was listening to something today where they were talking about
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I was listening to something on the homunculous.
Speaker 2: I was listening to mine Unveiled's documentary which I helped
Speaker 2: him out, the ten hour documentary on homunculus. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say we, but he worked on that think for at
Speaker 2: least six months. Bro. It was crazy and I like
Speaker 2: I helped him out right, like we gave him a
Speaker 2: lot of information and stuff like that. And in it
Speaker 2: he talks about how the homunculous has multiple meanings, like
Speaker 2: it's a multifaceted concept, and that's how I look at
Speaker 2: the occult or the occult. Sometimes you might have your
Speaker 2: grasp on it of like what it could be, and
Speaker 2: it changes real time. Bro, I don't eve you've ever
Speaker 2: had that happening when you're like, oh, I kind of
Speaker 2: understand this concept and then Mandela effect, it's something completely different.
Speaker 1: That's actually uh. When I was working on the Eye
Speaker 1: Bowls series, I think it's like one part to the next.
Speaker 1: Actually corrected myself and changed like the way I was
Speaker 1: looking at something because I was like, I think I'm
Speaker 1: completely off. I mean I was kind of close, but
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, so like even for me,
Speaker 1: there's times where even I'm like, oh wait, I think
Speaker 1: I was, like I was sold on it before. Then
Speaker 1: you learn something new and you're like, all right, that
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense now. It's almost like the information is
Speaker 1: alive in a sort of like weird way.
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, Like it's always there, it's
Speaker 2: always changing and it was a book on Fulconelly. I
Speaker 2: think you it wasn't Eugene Consoli. It was somebody else
Speaker 2: that wrote this book on Fulconelly, right, I mean, out
Speaker 2: of all people, this enigmatic guy Fulconelly that we're still
Speaker 2: we still don't know who he was. But in that
Speaker 2: book he talks about when you study the occult and
Speaker 2: how you're saying you drive yourself crazy looking at it,
Speaker 2: especially with the change every time you look at it.
Speaker 2: You ever had a dream where you go and read
Speaker 2: something and it changes in front of you.
Speaker 1: I don't know it may have. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I did try and read into your next dream er.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you dream because sometimes I spoke
Speaker 2: a lot of weed.
Speaker 1: But what does that stup you from dreaming?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh all right, could be the answer that I have noticed.
Speaker 1: I was like, I only have dreams that much anymore.
Speaker 2: That's why, bro, it does something to your brain where
Speaker 2: you can't dream.
Speaker 1: So I did it all throughout the day with my
Speaker 1: eyes open. There's nothing left.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah pretty much? So Yeah, they say message with
Speaker 2: something in your brain where you're you're unable to dream.
Speaker 2: But I think dreams are interesting because I've sometimes I
Speaker 2: had some I actually woke up from a dream this
Speaker 2: past week where I had a conversation with somebody in
Speaker 2: the dream, and sometimes I wonder if the person that
Speaker 2: I see in the dream is also dreaming about me
Speaker 2: talking to me and their dream. I felt that before, yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: because like I even looked stuff up after the dream
Speaker 2: to see if it came up, but nothing came up.
Speaker 2: Like like they told me, they told me a certain
Speaker 2: phrase and it was the we were talking about someone
Speaker 2: and they were like, yeah, no, they were a debo
Speaker 2: or a devo or something, and it was like it
Speaker 2: they told me it was like the Indian Indian word
Speaker 2: Indian word for idiot. But I don't know what the
Speaker 2: hell they were trying to tell me. So I looked
Speaker 2: up every which way, bro, Devo, debo, d like all
Speaker 2: these things, trying to find what the hell that doesn't exist?
Speaker 2: Like did I make all that up? Or was like
Speaker 2: there's some secret hidden meaning.
Speaker 1: It's like a secret password, right, It's like the word
Speaker 1: you got into like an initiation. Oh really no no,
Speaker 1: but they do do that in initiations, will give you
Speaker 1: a word like I gotta say, hokey pokey. Devovo can't
Speaker 1: pass well when you look up the word idiot an Indian.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's really no other way around that.
Speaker 2: You just look up the word idiot in Indian and
Speaker 2: it should give you the dea an issue, right. So
Speaker 2: it's a beav a couf that's what. That's a Hindi
Speaker 2: beav a coof. But I didn't see uh beaf coof
Speaker 2: that's but I didn't see anything else, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was something that my mind was making up because
Speaker 2: how much of reality. There's that guy an Il Seth
Speaker 2: I think is his name, that talks about hallucination.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, what is he so familiar though? Oh that's right? Actually,
Speaker 1: oh has he all of them? Yeah? I've actually tried
Speaker 1: to get him on my show. That that's why he
Speaker 1: doesn't answer.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: If yeah, yeah, yeah he's uh yeah, I try to
Speaker 1: get him on. He works with anesthesia, does he really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah he's I've watched some of his stuff and like,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, this is just my opinion. I I
Speaker 1: think people can be occultist and not be like practicing
Speaker 1: magic like people normally. I'll just put it that way.
Speaker 1: I think he has an understanding and I think he
Speaker 1: realizes what's going on with anesthesia? Because he does focus
Speaker 1: on that and kind of like what the fuck's really
Speaker 1: going on and how is that possible? And when you
Speaker 1: start looking at it, debates that him and like a
Speaker 1: few other people, uh Shell Drake and uh god, I
Speaker 1: fucking forgot the other guy's name. I even have a
Speaker 1: book on him. You listen to them three talk and
Speaker 1: it's like, Yo, you're literally talking about like magic and
Speaker 1: the abyss trying to figure out like how the fuck
Speaker 1: it makes sense.
Speaker 2: He says, we're all hallucinating all the time. When we
Speaker 2: agree about our hallucinations, we call it reality. So he
Speaker 2: said that this dude messes with anesthesia.
Speaker 1: Well I think he might have been actually involved like
Speaker 1: with that, like it, done something with that, or at
Speaker 1: least studies with it. Yeah, yeah, because like he was
Speaker 1: going on uh on talking about like the effects of
Speaker 1: anesthesia and what it actually does, because if you think
Speaker 1: about it, that does put you out limbo, man, like
Speaker 1: where are you going when that happens? Like what's actually
Speaker 1: going on? You know what I'm And like I think
Speaker 1: like that was like kind of a thing that like
Speaker 1: spurred an idea for the guy, and he kind of
Speaker 1: went with.
Speaker 2: It wasn't it. Paracelsis still in that created anesthesia. Oh,
Speaker 2: I have no idea. You see here, so history apparently
Speaker 2: it's been around since for a long time. But he did,
Speaker 2: I mean he was the father. I know he created
Speaker 2: I think it was. Oh yeah, he did contribute to it.
Speaker 2: So Paracels and his contributions to anesthesia, he is the
Speaker 2: father of modern day toxicology essentially. So you know, the
Speaker 2: dose makes the poison. If you take too much of
Speaker 2: too much anesthesia, you die. If you take too a
Speaker 2: little bit, you feel every single little thing right. But
Speaker 2: it's interesting you bring up anesthesia because I did an
Speaker 2: episode one time on Benjamin Paul Blood where it's called
Speaker 2: the Anesthetic Revelation. It's this book written in eighteen something,
Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds, and it's about a dude who what
Speaker 2: the you know, that they have had like huffing parties.
Speaker 2: Back then, everyone would get quite high on anesthesia everything
Speaker 2: because it was you know, it was not regulated. And
Speaker 2: so what he had figured out was that at the
Speaker 2: peak of the anesthesia, of this anesthetic dream state, at
Speaker 2: the very peak of it, he understood everything in all
Speaker 2: of psychology and all of philosophy, all of the philosophies ever,
Speaker 2: like he understood every single thing at the very top
Speaker 2: of it, and then you come down and then he
Speaker 2: would forget. Then he would forget, so he would have
Speaker 2: like people writing to him, like, Bro, I understand what
Speaker 2: you're saying about understanding reality, understanding the world being connected
Speaker 2: to it as soon as you're at that very peak,
Speaker 2: and then you come back down and you don't remember.
Speaker 2: And that to me is almost like, could there be
Speaker 2: a secret to anesthesia? The fact that Paracelsus, you know,
Speaker 2: he was an alchemist, he was into some stuff. Maybe
Speaker 2: there was something to that, right, is a reason for
Speaker 2: his contribution to it, because one hundred percent who was
Speaker 2: mixing stuff up and taking it back then? Bro?
Speaker 1: Like that. So if I if you go by what
Speaker 1: I say, and I think you have to almost like
Speaker 1: kind of bring yourself to death to have a magical experience,
Speaker 1: you could be fucking with that shit. I even think,
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion, why you you get some
Speaker 1: grimoires that are like if you were to take that shit,
Speaker 1: it'd be poison. Maybe there's a reason why, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you kind of knock yourself off and there's something about that, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean Shamans do it. They put themselves under
Speaker 1: extremes until they think they've had a near death experience.
Speaker 2: But is it a near death experience in what sense
Speaker 2: as a biological death or like an ego death like.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I think like your body will actually think
Speaker 1: like it's yeah, it's much more beyond just like oh
Speaker 1: I've changed now, because like no, I think that your
Speaker 1: body actually goes through a fucking change, like your body
Speaker 1: is affected by it. It's not just like you know,
Speaker 1: one of the people post those current the frog things
Speaker 1: dancing thinking I had that leveled up. It's not one
Speaker 1: of those things. Yeah, you know what stupid? Yeah, No, No,
Speaker 1: I do think, you know, because I I just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I just do think. I you know, even I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say it's the typical word. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: think there's something behind it? I don't want to say
Speaker 1: it because it's but even stuff in blood. I think
Speaker 1: there is even something in blood that gets used up
Speaker 1: or changes when you fuck with magic. You know, I
Speaker 1: think your eyeballs, you know stuff for me, you know,
Speaker 1: every time I fucked with magic, when my eyeball will
Speaker 1: get bigger than the other one, one will get bigger
Speaker 1: and one will go pinned. And I've had blood issues
Speaker 1: like your ear pupils even Yeah, my pupil will be
Speaker 1: one pupil was full millimeters bigger than the other one,
Speaker 1: and I had to get a bag of saliene and
Speaker 1: a bag of blood. They said, my h hemoglobe and
Speaker 1: levels through the roof because you were doing Are you
Speaker 1: doing a ritual?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I was actually blasting off. I did it three times
Speaker 1: in like ten days. That was a fucking mess. By
Speaker 1: gone on what nothing, No, just fucking with magic. Really
Speaker 1: he almost died from messing with magic three times in
Speaker 1: I would consider myself pretty much dying every time I've
Speaker 1: done it. And one time I got like a little
Speaker 1: crazy with it and did it about three times in
Speaker 1: ten days, and that was a fucking mental mess and
Speaker 1: a physical mess. I had to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: Shit will fuck up your head.
Speaker 2: You keep on doing it too, so it'll mess with
Speaker 2: you biologically and also psychologically.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those downloads are real, and the more you
Speaker 1: do it, the louder they're gonna get, and the more
Speaker 1: often they're gonna come. And you can't shut it off,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to sit there and listen to it.
Speaker 1: So are people who are I think some people are skezophrenic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're half in there and half out. Or
Speaker 1: or some guy I've seen on YouTube, I try to
Speaker 1: get him on. His name's okay, Charlie. You go look
Speaker 1: at his stuff. This guy's going out and all over
Speaker 1: the place, caves, fucking woods here and there, and he's
Speaker 1: recording stuff and he's actually finding there is voices in
Speaker 1: the fucking ambient air. There is stuff being pumped out
Speaker 1: from somehow, So people, for all I know, people could
Speaker 1: be hearing that, or the fucking pills they're being taken
Speaker 1: and makes them hear it anyway more susceptible to hearing it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, but you will hear things in
Speaker 1: my opinion that it's hard to explain. It's almost like
Speaker 1: these knowings that are so loud it's as if they're
Speaker 1: being spoken to this hard to me, it sounds silly.
Speaker 2: And I think that even sort of messing with this
Speaker 2: stuff as far as like I call myself an armchair coltist,
Speaker 2: where even having these books in my in my room
Speaker 2: or in my space, or even talking about it, I
Speaker 2: think that it even opens you up and I've experienced things.
Speaker 2: I've experienced at least heavy synchronicities, like crazy, weird synchronicities
Speaker 2: where you get a lot of the same numbers. I
Speaker 2: get a lot of the same numbers, you know, repeating numbers.
Speaker 2: But I've gotten to the point where I laugh it off.
Speaker 1: Bro. Well, I think if you see that you're doing,
Speaker 1: you're doing something right. I don't think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2: That's the way I see when I you know, when
Speaker 2: I have a synchronicity, it's because I'm on the right timeline.
Speaker 1: I think you're doing it will, you're doing your will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or I think that could be like, you know, representative
Speaker 1: of you, kind of like you know, uh, side effects
Speaker 1: maybe if you're on the right track of doing your
Speaker 1: own will. Maybe.
Speaker 2: My wife makes fun of me because she'll see when
Speaker 2: I have synchronicity sometimes, right, She's like, I'll I'll look
Speaker 2: right and I'll and I'll laugh, you know, I'll just
Speaker 2: laugh at all.
Speaker 1: Well, another one of your angel numbers happening you first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, those people give us a bad day, man.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, bro that But she doesn't how
Speaker 2: you're saying about being grounded Yeah, she keeps me grounded
Speaker 2: because she doesn't believe in shit. Like man, she's Christian,
Speaker 2: she doesn't not believe in anything. She believes in God
Speaker 2: and all that, but as far as she doesn't believe
Speaker 2: in anything, as as far as like the occult and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and you know, the whole she knows
Speaker 2: what I talk about and she doesn't really agree with
Speaker 2: all of it. So she kind of does poke poke
Speaker 2: fun at me sometimes, but that before, you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: I'll be watching like her, you know, one of her
Speaker 2: shows with her and dude, even on the show Love
Speaker 2: is Blind. I know you've seen on Netflix. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you've seen the memes. There's a show Love is Blind.
Speaker 2: It's like where people go into these pods and they
Speaker 2: fall in love with somebody on the other side without
Speaker 2: ever seeing them, and it's this whole thing, right, And
Speaker 2: there was this one season, dude, where one of the
Speaker 2: guys was boasting about being able to orgasm without coming.
Speaker 2: He's like, I can go for a long time. He's like,
Speaker 2: I went and I studied with these Buddhists and the
Speaker 2: mountains and bro, this is like the most regular show
Speaker 2: you will ever see, you know, Netflix, Like you know
Speaker 2: millions of people watch the show. But I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy is into some tantric stuff.
Speaker 1: Like this guy is like in the c Yo. That's
Speaker 1: so funny. Regular person thinking was this guy a freaking
Speaker 1: We're like, oh wait, this guy's into some weird He's
Speaker 1: into the e. He's practicing some witch shit.
Speaker 2: I've seen him with Freemason rings on two on these shows. Bro,
Speaker 2: Like the shows that you wouldn't even expect.
Speaker 1: Like that are yo. Sometimes those shows are literally made
Speaker 1: up just to give those motherfuckers something to do and
Speaker 1: some money. But it's like, oh, you're in the club,
Speaker 1: but we gotta give you something to do. Right here,
Speaker 1: We'll start a fucking stupid show. Motherfuckers will watch it.
Speaker 1: We'll say it's reality TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reality right, the hyperreality you know John Ball's yard,
Speaker 2: you know who was kind of big on first starting
Speaker 2: that reality TV for us?
Speaker 1: Who Trump was one of the first out there Russian
Speaker 1: reality TV? Oh yeah, yeah definitely.
Speaker 2: But it's like these people are caricatures right when they're
Speaker 2: on these shows, like they're different people. Even the concept
Speaker 2: of acting itself is a sort of a cult thing,
Speaker 2: you know. I obviously I have Nick Cage behind me.
Speaker 2: He's talked about this sort of shamanism that he does.
Speaker 2: I did an episode with his son, Yeah, with Nick
Speaker 2: Cage's son where shout out to Western Cage where he
Speaker 2: told me he had to he one time he almost
Speaker 2: got possessed, essentially, like he had to bury his character,
Speaker 2: bro to get rid of him from like being inside
Speaker 2: of him. Bro, I could see that these people are
Speaker 2: opening up themselves too. God knows what.
Speaker 1: You know? What I you know, you went to David
Speaker 1: Lynch at all the Twin Peaks or stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I oh, I think I've gotten up to season
Speaker 2: the end of season two, But I won't be honest
Speaker 2: with you, Bro, I haven't seen the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Oh No, I was just gonna say something to interview.
Speaker 2: That I'm right before going into where I can watch
Speaker 2: the first movie of the Devil Walks with Me or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was gonna be honest with you Nick and shout
Speaker 2: out to Isaac Wisehaw because he goes hard in the pain.
Speaker 2: When it comes to Twin Peaks, I don't see the hype.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can understand that. I get that second season.
Speaker 1: The second season kind of sucked too. I thought the
Speaker 1: second season. Now, the first season is an initiation. If
Speaker 1: you can grind through that, Yeah, you're ready.
Speaker 2: Second season getting towards the end, getting kind of weird,
Speaker 2: right towards the base. He told me that I'm I'm
Speaker 2: right where it's like, this is twin Peaks. I haven't
Speaker 2: finished it, but he told me that I'm there, like
Speaker 2: I'm at the end of season two.
Speaker 1: Then season three is off the wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, craziness, like get out of here, this is this
Speaker 2: is wild, right. So I don't understand the hype because
Speaker 2: I don't see it that crazy.
Speaker 1: Bro, I don't know. Maybe no, I get you on that.
Speaker 1: It's it has to be I guess for you. One
Speaker 1: thing I will say, just to give it some give
Speaker 1: the guy some slack. The last I think like three
Speaker 1: or four episodes of season two David Lynch didn't even direct,
Speaker 1: so you can give him some slack on that one.
Speaker 1: He had already left because he was upset with the
Speaker 1: project and then came back. But so something we were
Speaker 1: talking about letting things in and you were saying that,
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage's son said whatever. I was watching an interview
Speaker 1: with David Lynch and it was right after like the
Speaker 1: whole stuff I think with Weinstein and maybe Epstein came
Speaker 1: out and they had asked him, like his opinion on that.
Speaker 1: He really didn't say much about it, but he was
Speaker 1: just saying that he understands that a lot of that's
Speaker 1: going on. And he's like, you know, if how did
Speaker 1: he say it? He said something to the fact that
Speaker 1: he provides a safe place. He says, you have to
Speaker 1: understand people are coming here home allowing things to come
Speaker 1: within them. You need to provide a safe place with it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Yo, this dude just said what Like,
Speaker 1: this guy's admitting, like, like what do you what are
Speaker 1: you taking? Taking your character on and invoking it.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the whole that's the whole concept of
Speaker 2: twin Peaks possession.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting that he said that. Then,
Speaker 1: like what you were saying, allowing things into you. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I think these characters, you know, maybe it might be
Speaker 1: something behind them, you know, maybe act so well because
Speaker 1: they really become that character almost to an extent.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I'm gonna be honest with you, bro, I
Speaker 2: don't think I could be friends with an actor because
Speaker 2: how would you know when they're being genuine.
Speaker 1: Or not right, it could be just like a lion liberal,
Speaker 1: like just fucking bullshit in your face, smiling your face
Speaker 1: and making the think you love you.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a politician, bro, I mean can tell
Speaker 2: you one thing to your face and just like scam you.
Speaker 2: So I don't think I could be friends with with
Speaker 2: Like how would you know if that's the real person?
Speaker 2: Like almost like you know, Nick Cage talks about it
Speaker 2: preparing himself and and you know, kind of sort of
Speaker 2: method acting. And one of his latest movies that he
Speaker 2: put out, uh, the Daddy Long Legs not Daddy Long
Speaker 2: Long Legs, was kind of sort of I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've seen that where we gotta check that movie out,
Speaker 2: but it was kind of crazy like that where he became.
Speaker 2: He even had like special effects, like like a mask
Speaker 2: on essentially like this he was he wasn't truly him.
Speaker 2: But I went to go see that movie in theaters, bro,
Speaker 2: and after the fact, right, I had no idea what
Speaker 2: it was about on you was a horror movie, but
Speaker 2: I took my wife with me. Right. She was pissed
Speaker 2: because she doesn't like movies that are about like possession
Speaker 2: and like demons and stuff like that she was pissed
Speaker 2: because it was about that, and I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: promise you, I know it was gonna be like this.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought that that was what the movie
Speaker 1: was about, bro, because I've seen the comic attractions This
Speaker 1: movie crazy, but I didn't think that.
Speaker 2: When I was in the theater, like made my heart,
Speaker 2: like I felt weird, right, Like I felt weird. And
Speaker 2: I'm watching this movie and at the end of the
Speaker 2: movie's like hey, I say, and heyo say, and like
Speaker 2: this craziness, bro, like this crazy ass shit. And then
Speaker 2: it come to find out there are sounds in the
Speaker 2: movie that you hear, right you're talking about, like hearing
Speaker 2: your name and shit. Sometimes I'll hear my sometimes I'll
Speaker 2: hear sometimes I hear my name. Bro. I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, but like I'll hear my name be called
Speaker 2: in the distance or something, and I'll turn around there's
Speaker 2: nobody there. I don't know if I'm skit sell Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've had it happen to me, so uh. In this movie,
Speaker 2: there's sounds, like the soundtrack is crazy and there's like
Speaker 2: these weird sounds that you hear. Come to find out
Speaker 2: after I watched them movie. I did some research on it.
Speaker 2: It turns out that the directors that directed the movie
Speaker 2: put backtracking in the movie and they put sounds like
Speaker 2: messages in the movie after like so the sounds that
Speaker 2: we were hearing were actually work. You can take it
Speaker 2: play backwards and it was actually a message Oh backward wow. Yeah, backmasking,
Speaker 2: so which Crowley did and all that he was, you know,
Speaker 2: telling people to think backwards and listen to things backwards,
Speaker 2: the Beatles and all these crazy things. I even heard
Speaker 2: Lil Wayne sometimes that they I don't know, like the
Speaker 2: early days of YouTube, where it was like Lil Wayne,
Speaker 2: play it backwards and you can hear a message in
Speaker 2: and it was like this whole Sometimes I think that's
Speaker 2: like a paradolia type of thing where you can hear
Speaker 2: things if you think that's what you're hearing, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the you know, it's funny, some of
Speaker 1: the special intros that I've made for certain shows, I've
Speaker 1: actually done that to see if anybody would have to
Speaker 1: play it backwards and be like, oh, I heard that
Speaker 1: you put that in there?
Speaker 2: Is that you're like, this is the occult?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I don't know if that
Speaker 1: one had that I can't remember when I sent you,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of the ones there is, there's
Speaker 1: stuff backwards. I'll be totally honest with you. I think
Speaker 1: any person will hear it.
Speaker 2: I put things in my work that I've only had
Speaker 2: one person tell me that they caught it, and they hadn't.
Speaker 2: Nobody's caught it since then, but it was only one guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he caught it, but he caught it.
Speaker 2: And I have other things that I haven't talked about
Speaker 2: publicly nice that I can show you after.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: That's part of like my synchronicities of like yo, this
Speaker 2: is bizarre, right, things that would have never happened if
Speaker 2: I didn't like put these stupid things in your work.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the kind of a I consider myself
Speaker 2: like a a medic occultist, right, like I'm a medic magician.
Speaker 1: If you will.
Speaker 2: Where I use memes, I use art right, and I
Speaker 2: sometimes you know, I'll put thirty three pages or eighty
Speaker 2: eight pages or thirty three.
Speaker 1: Font like oh yo, I was just gonna say, when
Speaker 1: it comes to new numbers, I will do that with
Speaker 1: fun spacing where I'm putting stuff on fading of transitions
Speaker 1: with video. Oh yeah, I will use the fuck out
Speaker 1: of thirty three, eighty eight, seventeen. I'll be totally honest,
Speaker 1: three sixteen, I will use those numbers off. I even
Speaker 1: set my audio to a full forty eight at eighty whatever,
Speaker 1: just to keep going with the fours and the eighths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so I definitely do that. And again,
Speaker 2: if it does something or not, I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know if I do do it. That's funny. Shit, there's
Speaker 2: probably some of my listeners experiencing poultry guys activity and shit,
Speaker 2: and they're just what the hell is going on. So
Speaker 2: one of the things that I've had that I haven't
Speaker 2: had happen in a little bit, but I talked about
Speaker 2: it on a podcast on Tony Merco's show Professionals, where
Speaker 2: for a little bit I was seeing like I don't
Speaker 2: know if I would call them shadow people, but like
Speaker 2: shadows in the corner of my eyes, like the peripheral vision.
Speaker 1: But like I've had that instant.
Speaker 2: Some crazy ones, bro like where I'm like, oh, there's
Speaker 2: somebody pulling up on me right now, like let me
Speaker 2: turn No.
Speaker 1: There was something like actually there approach that's like movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was like it was coming, you know,
Speaker 2: up on me. So and I felt that I've experienced
Speaker 2: that a few times. When I said that on that show,
Speaker 2: a lot of people reached down. They're like, yo, I'm
Speaker 2: experiencing the same thing. But again, at the same time,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's you know these I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever seen the human resonance post that
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, there's a spike, and then you
Speaker 2: see all the comments, Yeah, I'm feeling it in my
Speaker 2: nipples or I can feel hot balls. Yeah, my balls
Speaker 2: are vib Like everyone's like commenting that they're feeling the
Speaker 2: same thing, Like are you truly feeling something or are
Speaker 2: you just feeling something because you saw the you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you can influence people like that.
Speaker 2: And again, dude, for sure, I have never had anything
Speaker 2: like paranormal that I know of happened to me like substantial,
Speaker 2: like crazy, like I've seen a UFO, right, Like I've
Speaker 2: seen one cool.
Speaker 1: The only reason what I thought I've actually seen I
Speaker 1: saw something in the sky moving like it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I've seen that.
Speaker 2: The only reason I know that it was legit because
Speaker 2: mind I told I told you, my wife doesn't believe
Speaker 2: in this ship.
Speaker 1: He was there and she sawt oh that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, if you're kind of religious made even not
Speaker 1: believe in UFOs.
Speaker 2: I forgot about it, so I wasn't even I know that,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I saw. So therefore to the
Speaker 2: UFO it was fine and I was to me so
Speaker 2: and my son saw it too. My son was actually
Speaker 2: one that saw it first, so he was like five
Speaker 2: at the time. So he looks up, He's like, Daddy,
Speaker 2: was that And I'm like, what the hell is that?
Speaker 2: You know, what the hell is even that? You know
Speaker 2: you've seen that? That that meme?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: And I was like, what the And we looked up
Speaker 2: and it was completely silent, like this orange orb zipped
Speaker 2: across the sky bro just film. My wife was there.
Speaker 2: We were in the backyard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So this was house.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to like you want to drive and
Speaker 1: nothing had to stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was alone, and I told you that story.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, this guy's full of shit, right, like
Speaker 2: maybe this guy you know, maybe not. But the fact
Speaker 2: that I was there and I have I have a
Speaker 2: video of my son directly after. I didn't take a
Speaker 2: video of it because it was I was going by
Speaker 2: too fast, But I took a video of my son
Speaker 2: directly after and like asked him, like, what did you see?
Speaker 2: But then he got crazy. He's like, oh yeah, and the.
Speaker 1: Little alien man came down on the ground.
Speaker 2: Like all right, bro, all right, chill, let me turn
Speaker 2: this off because he just sucked up. He's a five
Speaker 2: year old boy. Bro, So I'm like, Yo're gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: Get a microphone, dude.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, aliens came down and they started walking
Speaker 2: around the yard. I'm like, what the fuck, dude, come on, man,
Speaker 2: is awesome this whole my son.
Speaker 1: So that's the only thing I've had.
Speaker 2: And then obviously like the crazy synchronicities, you know, as
Speaker 2: far as messing with this sort of stuff, But it
Speaker 2: gets to a point where you.
Speaker 1: Know, I have enjoin any lodges or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I think that's all that's super gay, right, or making
Speaker 2: the jump to actually join an organization. But for some people,
Speaker 2: they can't fight the itch, bro and they read about
Speaker 2: these sort of things and they they they want to
Speaker 2: take the leap, and then they're in it. And and
Speaker 2: then once you join an organization, especially in this community.
Speaker 2: You're tainted, bro, you got that's a scarlet letter for life,
Speaker 2: like oh you were a free Mason Brown.
Speaker 1: I will have to say that is something which I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I mean there's been a few people, but yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: two or three. I've never really dealt with too much
Speaker 1: bullshit because of the OTO, tell you the truth. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I actually thought I would deal with
Speaker 1: more of that than.
Speaker 2: I have, like more backlash yes about it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think maybe because it's just like I don't
Speaker 1: even know what the he's saying, so I can't even
Speaker 1: get the guy who says wrong. It's a dick.
Speaker 2: So what's the whole what's the whole point of the OTO?
Speaker 2: Like what's the extreamic? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, two, I mean the whole thing isn't you know,
Speaker 1: come to have a magical experience, know your will and
Speaker 1: to do it the whole point of the OTO though,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know from my w.
Speaker 2: You're in there because like the occult is all about
Speaker 2: getting right, going, getting as close to the Godhead as possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it's very Kabbala based to the OTO.
Speaker 1: You know, my experience there they do the Gnostic Mass.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like their thing of church that's supposed
Speaker 1: to be showing like you know, again the man crossing
Speaker 1: the abyss, so having a magical experience, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: there they do that. They used to do classes sometimes,
Speaker 1: they would do history classes on all occultists. They would
Speaker 1: do classes on basic shit like you know, how to
Speaker 1: make a magic candle or some shit like that, or
Speaker 1: you know, talispans or sigils. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: I mean I stayed on. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: even stayed as long as I did. I think at
Speaker 1: one point I actually thought like, oh, uh, silly as
Speaker 1: it sounds, I guess it's like it is almost like
Speaker 1: a badge, you know what I'm saying to an extent, Like,
Speaker 1: I guess you're like, you feel cool, you feel a
Speaker 1: part of something, so you're gonna keep going, even though
Speaker 1: I'd have felt like I fit in. But I guess
Speaker 1: like my overall experience, I mean, you know, I went
Speaker 1: because I wanted to learn about different ideas of magic,
Speaker 1: meeting other people that were practicing that I could bounce
Speaker 1: ideas off of. But in my opinion, eventually, you know, again,
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I left is because once
Speaker 1: I started having magical experiences, my opinion of that place
Speaker 1: changed greatly. It seems I don't know if it's the organization,
Speaker 1: if it's the people. Something goes wrong somewhere, and it
Speaker 1: seems like they focus more on the handcuffs that are
Speaker 1: actually stopping you from having a magical experience than actually
Speaker 1: going in the right direction. There was things like, you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about the homarculous in there, not saying that
Speaker 1: the book is completely right. There are some things that
Speaker 1: I know for a fact is right because I have
Speaker 1: done some of the initiation. But in the Secret Rights
Speaker 1: of the Oto, one of the rituals they do talk
Speaker 1: about the home oculous. In my opinion, I think that
Speaker 1: place to an extent, if you stick around long enough,
Speaker 1: I think you're possibly a guinea pig fan Kulta experiments.
Speaker 1: Well you'll be well providing it well.
Speaker 2: This plays directly into my latest research a little bit,
Speaker 2: where i've you know, this ancient espionage essentially and Crawley
Speaker 2: being a secret agent allegedly being able to establish lodges
Speaker 2: in other countries is just another way of infiltrating the
Speaker 2: government without actually having to make it known. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: what are they doing freedom of religion, freedom of expression
Speaker 2: or whatever. Here is a bunch of a bunch of
Speaker 2: bros hanging out. Meanwhile they're collecting information while they're there,
Speaker 2: and it's all occulted in the occult, Like.
Speaker 1: I think it is definitely information gathering too.
Speaker 2: And who always who who always joins these places? Like
Speaker 2: usually I think it's older rich dudes who are bored
Speaker 2: as fuck who want to hang out, you.
Speaker 1: Know, want And you know, when I started thinking something
Speaker 1: was weird after I took this second degree initiation, you're
Speaker 1: available to do certain things, and one of them was
Speaker 1: like to be like this liaison with you. I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this jerkhost name? I forgot the
Speaker 1: beta whatever some dude who's like it that the oho
Speaker 1: like top of the oto and uh, it's like a
Speaker 1: volunteer thing that you can do and it looks good.
Speaker 1: And I had like thought about doing it because I
Speaker 1: was like, it seems like easy. I just got to
Speaker 1: go on Skype and like talk to the guy for
Speaker 1: like an hour and I thought it was once a month.
Speaker 1: But it's still weird. I still thought it was weird.
Speaker 1: The guy's gonna talk to you and ask you, like,
Speaker 1: how's the lodge doing? And then I found out it
Speaker 1: was every week, and I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: does this dude need to ask me shit like that
Speaker 1: for every week? I'm like, what are you looking for?
Speaker 1: My man? Honestly, what's gonna change from one week to
Speaker 1: the next. Some bitch I didn't want to see with
Speaker 1: a tit did the Gnostic Mass. We had some wine,
Speaker 1: we ate some cake, a light, and we went the
Speaker 1: fuck home. What do you need? What are you looking for?
Speaker 1: You're looking for something. Now you're gathering information. If you
Speaker 1: need to talk to somebody from that fucking lodge every week,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? You know? And then even after
Speaker 1: the second degree initiation, after you do that, they will
Speaker 1: even go into and tell you certain things that will
Speaker 1: actually be needed to be done for you to keep
Speaker 1: going up. And at one point you're handing over your
Speaker 1: shit to them. And if you're fucking in a relationship,
Speaker 1: it's got to be with somebody in there. It turns
Speaker 1: into a cult. Something the fuck is wrong with that place.
Speaker 1: To either get to this seventh or eighth degree, you
Speaker 1: are handing your shit over to them. Now there's another
Speaker 1: guy that I've Paul, you know, Paul Ravelli. I think
Speaker 1: he says the ninth and tenth though, because now this
Speaker 1: gets confusing. Yeah yeah, yeah. He had told me that
Speaker 1: once you get up to another higher degree, then everybody
Speaker 1: at that degree actually gets to split what the wealth
Speaker 1: of the oto is. So now I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck's going on. So to me, it just seems
Speaker 1: very shady, my man, and I again, there's just things
Speaker 1: that I've seen people do for initiations, just at that
Speaker 1: point they got your thumb on you in order to
Speaker 1: keep going after the fifth, to go from the fifth on,
Speaker 1: they have to even ask you. You can't even petition anymore.
Speaker 2: So, because this is bro, this is some serious stuff
Speaker 2: we'll be talking about. Because when I heard that, I
Speaker 2: knew for a fact, I'm not staying. You just told
Speaker 2: me I have to give you my shit fuck off,
Speaker 2: I'm not staying. Are they considered a religious organization?
Speaker 1: Yep, Yes they are. They have all that tax breaks, dude, really, yes,
Speaker 1: they have all that.
Speaker 2: It sounds a lot like scientology, dude, just a different name.
Speaker 1: You fucking take a look at lamb. You already got
Speaker 1: a fucking alien. Look at the motherfucker. You got scientology
Speaker 1: and momentism in this somehow. Probably Yeah, so yo, and
Speaker 1: Crawley was obsessed. He was very impressed by Joseph Smith. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've heard I saw that recently.
Speaker 2: So, but what you mentioned about right having to report
Speaker 2: to this guy weekly not months, That's what I was.
Speaker 1: Like, Yo, I don't want to talk to this dude.
Speaker 1: What's a week. I didn't really want to do it anyway.
Speaker 1: It was just like, you know what, if you do
Speaker 1: this sometimes I'll get it off your case because like
Speaker 1: the longear there, the height you go up, they want
Speaker 1: you so I get involved in more shit. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I really not. I really don't want to
Speaker 1: have to go to the lodge to do that. So
Speaker 1: I guess I could do a skype cole once a
Speaker 1: month and I was like, once a week? The fuck no.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's definitely looking for something. And you know
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier people with schizophrenia, you know, people with
Speaker 2: these weird aspects to themselves where you know, what if
Speaker 2: they're looking for the perfect Canada, how you're saying to
Speaker 2: induce in this mic ultra conditioning of like, Yo, this
Speaker 2: nick guy looks a little bit more susceptible than this
Speaker 2: other guy. Right, let's try and groom him or whatever
Speaker 2: to try and get them deeper and be our you know,
Speaker 2: our watchdog there, and maybe they'll start asking you things
Speaker 2: about people who were there, like, hey.
Speaker 1: How does so and so react when these things happen?
Speaker 1: So and you know, it's funny. The two people that
Speaker 1: I personally knew that had that position, one was gay
Speaker 1: and in Antifa, and the other one was three hundred
Speaker 1: pounds and she let dudes run trains on her at
Speaker 1: the Notocons every other year. So even the people that
Speaker 1: I know that had that position obviously are fucked up.
Speaker 1: And I'm even wondering if that's why. No, but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, those people would be easy to
Speaker 1: fucking manipulate. I hate to say it. Yeah, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: already prone to being told to think certain fucking crazy things.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying about New York and how there are you know,
Speaker 2: the people who live there like they're zombies. They're in
Speaker 2: this sort of uh, almost like a Stockholm syndrome sort
Speaker 2: of thing, where like they what is so special about
Speaker 2: being in New York. It's like it's a shithole. Right,
Speaker 2: like it's all it is left. But maybe it's got
Speaker 2: something to do with the architecture. Maybe it's got something
Speaker 2: to do with the delay lines, the way the city is. That.
Speaker 2: I'm serious, Bro, I think about it, like, maybe it's
Speaker 2: got something to do with that, because some people are
Speaker 2: drawn to these places. Like everyone comes to Florida to
Speaker 2: died That's what everyone comes to Florida for.
Speaker 1: You know what Florida has the most of too, I
Speaker 1: think in the United States amount of underground water running.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, awquafers everywhere, Broy, I wonder if I don't know, well,
Speaker 2: Florida's the Garden of Eden, Bro, I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: whole other thing. But the you know, it's something about
Speaker 2: being drawn to these forces. So but the fact that
Speaker 2: you're telling me this of you know, it just makes
Speaker 2: me think of like Freemasons and all these other organizations
Speaker 2: that are the Freemasons also a religious organization, Like how
Speaker 2: does that work?
Speaker 1: Fleam is actually considered religion? Yeah, dude, Yo, they understand
Speaker 1: how to make money, man.
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing. Now, Ron Hubbard too, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you make a religion, you're you're gonna
Speaker 2: be rich or something along those lines. That's what he said.
Speaker 2: Something other. But again, these religions running intelligence operations, like
Speaker 2: that's one hundred percent of intelligence operation.
Speaker 1: You know what you can do? You ever hear a
Speaker 1: guide Star. It's a website. You go on there and
Speaker 1: you type in like certain like you can type in
Speaker 1: Freemason lodgers, maybe certain areas of Ordo, Temple Oriente, and
Speaker 1: it's actually a tax site, and you'll see how much
Speaker 1: money these motherfuckers a claiming dude, Loyal Order of the
Speaker 1: Moose people are like, who the fuck is that? Billions
Speaker 1: of dollars? My man? Hundreds hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when we covered them, we had already covered the Gesters,
Speaker 1: the Shriners in some other order, and like they all
Speaker 1: look broke. And when we cover the Loyal Order of
Speaker 1: the Moose, like, yo, these guys got hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of millions of dollars. Where the fuck is
Speaker 1: that coming from? Where that hell's the Loyal Order of
Speaker 1: the I'm saying they got a half half a billion.
Speaker 1: But the Freemasons, the Gestures of the Shrine, Shriners, who
Speaker 1: was considered to be the rich ones, they ain't got
Speaker 1: Jack shit. But all of a sudden, these guys do.
Speaker 1: There's fucking money being played around.
Speaker 2: I told you there's a bunch of them here in Florida.
Speaker 1: Bro, look at that stuff. You can see how much
Speaker 1: money they have.
Speaker 2: Man, there's three hour there's three already here in Orlando,
Speaker 2: right off the bat boom. This eighteen eighty eight baby
Speaker 2: the Moose Loyal Order of Moose Fraternity. And you know
Speaker 2: it's interesting because.
Speaker 1: Yo, Moose Heart, Illinois. They own that town. Moose Heart, Yo,
Speaker 1: it's theirs. WHOA, Yeah, it's crazy, dude.
Speaker 2: So so residential childcare facility.
Speaker 1: It's so weird, bro, I think I believe it in that.
Speaker 1: I think, uh, whatever that thing that Manson was in
Speaker 1: the Boys and Girls town or whatever, I think that
Speaker 1: might be one of those there or something like that
Speaker 1: in there too.
Speaker 2: The Child's city. What that's bizarre.
Speaker 1: Four.
Speaker 2: You look at when you look at Freemasons and like
Speaker 2: the Shriners, and like how they build children's hospitals. They're
Speaker 2: in circuses like they're broh, that's so weird, man.
Speaker 1: Fun fact about the Shriners. Their number one major, the
Speaker 1: number one surgery that they do, or at least it
Speaker 1: was a few years ago is removing spina biffedia sacks
Speaker 1: off of kids backs, babies backs. And that's the number
Speaker 1: one ingredient in Este Lord's night. Erom is fermented spina biffdia.
Speaker 1: That shit kitson comes off of babies. This.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety four, mm hm, four moose Hart employees
Speaker 2: were convicted of sexually abusing children. Two years later, a
Speaker 2: moose Hart employee was convicted of possession of CP Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude's international. Yeah they got that's old muselage stuff, dude,
Speaker 1: yo yo, they get mouseladge money, bro.
Speaker 2: So so okay, all right, so we have you know,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk with the whole Doge and all this other stuff, right,
Speaker 2: which which is interesting because dog is is God backwards,
Speaker 2: right Doge, and he's running like this whole operation where
Speaker 2: he's kind of exposing you know, everyone getting a kickback
Speaker 2: from like these different organizations and money. And this to me, Bro,
Speaker 2: all it sounds like is that is like a money
Speaker 2: laundering operation. But again Nigga doesn't answer the question, is
Speaker 2: the occult faking gay?
Speaker 1: Can I summon?
Speaker 2: Can I join the typhony O t O and summon
Speaker 2: Cuthulhu to come and aid me in my real world affairs.
Speaker 1: No, not really. I think that aspect of it is
Speaker 1: mostly faking gay.
Speaker 2: So no, Cuthu, I can't summon him and good luck.
Speaker 1: Just put it down. What do you do? Let me
Speaker 1: know how you did it, please.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but chaos magic is sort of you can
Speaker 2: assign things for a second, right, use it for your operation,
Speaker 2: and then ditch it after a second, Like would that
Speaker 2: be possible where I can kind of assign, you know,
Speaker 2: Cuthul who as a placeholder for let's say Venus or
Speaker 2: Saturn or something, and then invoke that and kind of
Speaker 2: I don't know, take on that persona and then just
Speaker 2: let it go after the factor.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's more like an eggregorous of
Speaker 1: toy you're trying to like explain.
Speaker 2: Maybe no, no, no, like, uh, you know, I've heard.
Speaker 2: I've come to understand and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I've come to understand that chaos magic is like the
Speaker 2: only thing you need is just will and belief, like
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, fuck the rest. You don't need a ceremony,
Speaker 2: you don't need like the garb or nothing that. No, no,
Speaker 2: it's just like do it and be done with it.
Speaker 2: Do your ritual with Super Mario bros. If you want
Speaker 2: to and then.
Speaker 1: Oh I hear, Okay, I get what you get it.
Speaker 1: It's just an association for something. Yes, yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: believe that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So again, the more I look at it, I think
Speaker 2: that the true occult knowledge, the true dangerous knowledge, is
Speaker 2: the whole blackmail operation.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: The fact that you're reporting to that guy once a month, No.
Speaker 1: Once a week. I thought it was once a month,
Speaker 1: Well it was once a week. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: even worse. Once a week. It's trying to get drwn people. Bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I was,
Speaker 1: just like, what the fuck that is? Weird? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's yo. And that other person I knew that I said,
Speaker 1: was even doing that sexual shit.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 1: They didn't even know how to do any rituals and
Speaker 1: they were already a third degree. I was like, how
Speaker 1: the fuck do you even get anyway when you don't
Speaker 1: even know how to do a ritual? Quite obviously I
Speaker 1: found out and noticon she lays on a back account.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, dude. Like even in right, my
Speaker 2: son is in karate, know that the dojo that he
Speaker 2: goes to, some kids do get held back and then
Speaker 2: they don't pass their test day.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: But essentially, and I'm sure it's the same in these organizations.
Speaker 2: You pay a fee and you do your initiation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's about one hundred and fifty bucks. It's
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah, that's how much. I
Speaker 1: think that was about the average from the ones that
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, and you really, I think one time
Speaker 1: I got a I Gotta rope in a brass coin,
Speaker 1: the second time I gotta I've got triangle patch. It
Speaker 1: really wasn't worth one hundred and fifty bucks. You do
Speaker 1: get to bring some things home though, Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: mean definitely. But like how you're saying, maybe getting together
Speaker 1: with people who are of the same mindset and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but then you just start to realize, like, man,
Speaker 1: these people are fucking retards, you know, and they don't
Speaker 1: really actually know anything.
Speaker 2: They're just LARPing, which is.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, there was a lot of that. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of that. A lot of people there basically
Speaker 1: just to worship Crowley. They think he's cool and well
Speaker 1: it's a certain demo graphic, right.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that those people who were there were cause
Speaker 2: playing at the comic Con playing dungeons and dragons. Come on, dude,
Speaker 2: they invited to go play dungeons and dragons at them
Speaker 2: one night that I was like, this is too much.
Speaker 2: I'm not into this shit. So it's that sort of demographic.
Speaker 2: But who was it that I was reading about. I
Speaker 2: was reading about somebody that uh, Joseph Leshuski, I think
Speaker 2: is Levuski. I don't know how to say his last name,
Speaker 2: but he was allegedly the guy he worked with Israel
Speaker 2: re Gardi, and he was allegedly a guy who had
Speaker 2: he was known for allegedly right invoking a demon to
Speaker 2: like actual manifestation, like you know, like actual you know,
Speaker 2: in front of him. Of course, all of these guys
Speaker 2: don't take pictures of these things. He also said he
Speaker 2: created a homunculus in the eighties too, and then he
Speaker 2: said when he tried to take a picture of it,
Speaker 2: couldn't focus, so he didn't get a picture of it.
Speaker 2: But you know, he wrote all the instructions down, and
Speaker 2: you know he was talking to Regardi about it and
Speaker 2: Freder Albertus and all these other guys you know in
Speaker 2: the eighties out in Utah, right, which is weird, right,
Speaker 2: Utah and the Mormons out there. But this guy, uh
Speaker 2: he wrote about somebody who talked about I think somebody
Speaker 2: who wrote his his forward or something to the book
Speaker 2: that was like, man, I regret looking into the occult.
Speaker 2: I should have focused on more in my life, on
Speaker 2: making money instead of looking into this shit because it
Speaker 2: leads to nothing and you're just left with nothing at
Speaker 2: the end of the day. And like how you were saying,
Speaker 2: like you can go down the rabbit hole and you
Speaker 2: just come out the other side the same. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I do think there was a lot with that
Speaker 1: with the ocult too.
Speaker 2: But it's probably done on purpose because the scheme is
Speaker 2: to start a lodge and just take other people's shit.
Speaker 1: It's a cult. Well what you mean. Look at the
Speaker 1: guy who created Wicca. He was actually a disciple, well
Speaker 1: right disciple. He studied underneath Crowley and Croly even gave
Speaker 1: him mission to open up an Oto lodge and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll go start Wicka Blake because it made
Speaker 1: more money than the lodge would have.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think all that was just to make money. I mean
Speaker 1: even even though I'll be telling you, even the Oto
Speaker 1: they consider Wicka like Thelema light Like, how cute the
Speaker 1: craft that was? Let's see here wiccka just in twentieth
Speaker 1: century hermetic motifs or theological and virtual purposes. Right, General
Speaker 1: Gardner he had studied.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gardner says here Doreen Vntin joined Gardner in nineteen fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Joe Gardner a retired British civil servant. Huh, he said.
Speaker 2: This guy worked with Crowley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Crowley had given him permission to open up a lodge.
Speaker 2: Guy looks like he had a cock ring one hundred
Speaker 2: percent dude like like on his actual like a Prince
Speaker 2: Albert whatever they call it.
Speaker 1: This guy.
Speaker 2: Brook at this guy's face, Yo, he's bugged out looking. Yes,
Speaker 2: guy looks like a fucking he did. This guy was
Speaker 2: part of the Royal Order of the Moose.
Speaker 1: Where'd you go? Where do you go? Where do you go? There?
Speaker 1: He is? We get this guy, bro, yo, and that
Speaker 1: guy I think I think he would actually like do
Speaker 1: his stuff like naked out in the woods too. Oh.
Speaker 2: Bro, there's a bunch of weirdos. Man like, dude, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of shook with this Moose Heart thing. Moose Heart,
Speaker 2: Illinois and then the Home for Children. Bro, that's so
Speaker 2: weird man. Look at this the Children's Museum zoo Yoh.
Speaker 1: He did like a three part series on them. It
Speaker 1: was fucking weird. Lose Heart. Yeah, we were like, yo.
Speaker 2: What, Yeah, that's crazy, bro.
Speaker 1: You know who was associated with that. That's how we
Speaker 1: even got interested in a John Wayne Gacy into Wika
Speaker 1: No Moose Heart he was, he was he was in
Speaker 1: the Moose Lodge really yeah, yeah, he's even He's even
Speaker 1: taking pictures in a parade with Carter's wife. He was
Speaker 1: also very political too.
Speaker 2: The serial killer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what got us into even looking
Speaker 1: into moossart Is because we found out he was involved
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, we got to look into that because
Speaker 2: you know what, I think that. I think that serial
Speaker 2: killers are part of this whole thing too, where they're
Speaker 2: programmed and and they turned a blind eye to see
Speaker 2: how it evolved. It's anuus, bro, because like, you can
Speaker 2: either use the homunculus to acquire godlike powers.
Speaker 1: Or you can release it into the wild. I'll let
Speaker 1: it do its thing, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that's how Dahmer got away with
Speaker 2: so many things for so long, and a lot of
Speaker 2: these guys you're telling me he was political talking to
Speaker 2: presidents and ship Yeah h what.
Speaker 1: John Way, that's the yo. He even like he was
Speaker 1: involved with the j c S when he was in prison,
Speaker 1: and that's like some other type of thing.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of like the clown guy or
Speaker 2: he would dress up as a crown yeah.
Speaker 1: With the balloons. That says thirty three flavors on it.
Speaker 1: Really yeah yeah yo. He he had a kid who
Speaker 1: worked for him, Robert Pasky, I think it was his name.
Speaker 1: And that guy connects to Norman, This guy John John
Speaker 1: Norman I think who was down in Texas that was
Speaker 1: running a child sex ring. It was it was so
Speaker 1: crazy that like he actually had like don't you know
Speaker 1: those old recipe draws you know your parents or your
Speaker 1: grandmother would have with all those cards in him for
Speaker 1: the little recipes. They actually had people and names and
Speaker 1: stuff that like were you know, there were clients and
Speaker 1: the cops when they even busted him. You can even
Speaker 1: listen to cops say there was people's names in there
Speaker 1: that if we even came out and mentioned him, people
Speaker 1: would be shocked.
Speaker 2: Bro it says here John Wayne Gacy, American serial killer
Speaker 2: and sex offender who raped torture or murdered at least
Speaker 2: thirty three young men and boys. Yep, that's thirty three, bro.
Speaker 2: He became known as the Killer Clown due to his
Speaker 2: public performances as a clown prior to the discovery of
Speaker 2: his crimes. Yeah, dude, Eh, that's crazy man. The fact,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure you've seen like the flm is
Speaker 2: as Clowns, a series that that guy Paul has. But
Speaker 2: when you start looking into this again, I think that
Speaker 2: the actual co knowledge is that blackmail, right, Like the
Speaker 2: you're saying this guy was it from this case that
Speaker 2: they found the recipe books with people's names in.
Speaker 1: It that guy had gotten busted. I think it was
Speaker 1: just like there were two separate, you know, scenarios, and
Speaker 1: I think they ended up realizing because of Robert Pasky
Speaker 1: maybe a few other things, that they actually connected and
Speaker 1: they might have actually known each other. It's a believe
Speaker 1: it that it's something that came out a few years
Speaker 1: ago with like Peacock, when they did a series on Gacy.
Speaker 1: They even get into this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's something about right like the serial killers
Speaker 2: in society that they're like kind of infatuated with, like
Speaker 2: wanting to how many Dahmer documentaries are there, right, like
Speaker 2: people think he's hot and then that one, that one.
Speaker 1: That's another reason why I think we know these is
Speaker 1: because it's like, all right, it's kind of in an experiment,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna make money off of selling it to
Speaker 1: to the public too. That's why I think it's even
Speaker 1: put in our faces so much. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because they are bullshit. They are bullshit, and
Speaker 1: they're they're just being Soltos. Oh bro, Yeah, because there's
Speaker 1: there's certain things, certain sick ship that another human being
Speaker 1: will do that you won't hear jack shit about. But
Speaker 1: what's the reason this one gets picked? And when you
Speaker 1: start looking at him, they never make any sense. There's
Speaker 1: always like weird shady shit going on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like the like the story of yeah I'm
Speaker 2: getting caught. Yeah, Like you know, I used Dahmer a lot,
Speaker 2: but he had that one Chinese guy who was trying
Speaker 2: to turn into a zombie. And also Dahmer was into
Speaker 2: the occult. Bro, he was making an altar and he
Speaker 2: never finished right with the soul Like they never talked
Speaker 2: about that where they're like, yo, so what are you
Speaker 2: doing with this? So Dahmer skull alter and he was
Speaker 2: trying to like make uh uh a zombie with that
Speaker 2: Chinese guy, but he drew his altar. This is what
Speaker 2: allegedly would it looked like. And he said he hadn't
Speaker 2: got enough skulls for it. But here you go right here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is it. So Damer's Temple of Skulls.
Speaker 1: Bro what.
Speaker 2: Yo painted skeletons, black table, blue lights.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: You got like some candles and stuff here painted scale. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's gonna be that was gonna be real.
Speaker 1: That black table was up higher. It almost looks like
Speaker 1: the Stellar the revelation that we're looking at before it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, but let's say that this was like
Speaker 2: some you know, make ultra pati and gone wild and
Speaker 2: they were just studying him from the shadows because we
Speaker 2: know that the government would do something like that. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think you do that with cults. I think they're
Speaker 1: involved with cults and like, oh, let's see how much
Speaker 1: you can mindfuck these people, what you can make them do,
Speaker 1: and then they just come in and like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to stop this now. And I think they
Speaker 1: think they study that as well.
Speaker 2: Alien disclosure thing that's coming out now too, because if
Speaker 2: you look at it, a lot of these religions, scientology
Speaker 2: and more are UFO cults. Like I would even consider
Speaker 2: the Lima a UFO cult. You can argue about that.
Speaker 1: I could argue with that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like first depiction of a gray unfortunately kind of does
Speaker 1: come from Crowley in a sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're talking, you know, you were influenced. Now
Speaker 2: there's a distinction though, because the Lamb was one thing
Speaker 2: and Iowas was another thing, and Iowa's was the was
Speaker 2: the entity that gave him the Book of the Law. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Lamb was the thing he saw in his New
Speaker 2: York apartment that one day where he was doing the
Speaker 2: Amalantra working.
Speaker 1: And I think like with an Nokia magic too, it
Speaker 1: could be wrong with that, Oh, I think it was, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was something like he contacted with a
Speaker 1: Nokia magic, which is part of the OTL as well. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do, Yeah, they do kind of promote that that's
Speaker 1: more of kind of like you know, higher magic. I
Speaker 1: guess more advanced for.
Speaker 2: Sure, because I've heard that's one of the most dangerous
Speaker 2: forms of magic in.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, I honestly I see, like when it comes
Speaker 1: to my experiences, I think you've probably maybe heard it
Speaker 1: or maybe I've said certain things too. My experience with magic,
Speaker 1: even my experiences I think are very basic. I do
Speaker 1: actually think Pinocchio magic. I actually think you might be
Speaker 1: kind of sending yourself too specific places.
Speaker 2: Oh I believe it, dude.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like almost like why it's so like
Speaker 1: you know, water, water, air, water air, you know why
Speaker 1: it's so that that whole thing. I think it's very
Speaker 1: you're getting very pinpointing and specific on certain experiences.
Speaker 2: One of my dreams and anyone listening that wants to
Speaker 2: help fund the project, is to make a John Dina
Speaker 2: word Kelly movie or our series. Right, I think that
Speaker 2: that would be a hit. There's nothing on that. No
Speaker 2: one's ever done it, you know. And I think that
Speaker 2: they were onto something. I think that they were even
Speaker 2: if again because I can't I can't help but think was.
Speaker 1: It all bullshit? Right?
Speaker 2: Like that's the whole thing, Like, is it bullshit?
Speaker 1: I think they knew stuff, but they scammed people.
Speaker 2: You think they occulted it on? Like did they they
Speaker 2: left things out? You think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they just told people what they wanted
Speaker 1: to know. I do think there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: shilling going on, but I do think they are of
Speaker 1: the knowing. I do you think they those guys are
Speaker 1: onto something.
Speaker 2: Because you got to remember that John Dee knew about,
Speaker 2: you know, Trithenius, which was the father of photography, which
Speaker 2: was all about hiding messages and writing. So who's to
Speaker 2: say that he did in occult, right? And I think
Speaker 2: that I think that maybe Lesa.
Speaker 1: Because I do think that goes on a lot too.
Speaker 1: I think things are ciphered there you go.
Speaker 2: Let's say that it is real. Let's say that it
Speaker 2: does work. But the system that we have is flawed.
Speaker 2: And the reason that we're not initiates and we don't
Speaker 2: know the true secrets. We don't know the secret word,
Speaker 2: right of the temple whatever the hell is that the
Speaker 2: Freemasons say, Right, we don't know how to build the
Speaker 2: temple because you're not initiated. Right, So maybe it is
Speaker 2: a thing. And I think that part of the occult
Speaker 2: is about transmitting information freely while encoding it. That's what
Speaker 2: alchemy is, right. You have the symbols, The symbols are there,
Speaker 2: Read them, bitch. Try You're not gonna know how because
Speaker 2: you're not initiated, right, So it's about putting it out front.
Speaker 2: But then only those uh Max Heidel, I think it
Speaker 2: was that wrote to the initiate, the text means something
Speaker 2: completely different.
Speaker 1: Than to the non initiate. Yes, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: And they kind of see they see through.
Speaker 1: It, right. I think Crowley was huge with that too,
Speaker 1: you think so? So?
Speaker 2: So have you ever seen the concept that the Book
Speaker 2: of the Law was a mathematical equation.
Speaker 1: Because of that? Uh, because of that thing and there
Speaker 1: where it kind of like gives that hole like this
Speaker 1: equals that and all that stuff. But there is like
Speaker 1: a cipher in there. Is that like the psychoanat type stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but there's a there's another book called
Speaker 2: the The Rights of cer Law. And it was this
Speaker 2: guy in the Typhony and Oto in Miami because they
Speaker 2: consider Miami a power zone or something like that, some
Speaker 2: crazy shit.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: They he conducted a ritual with his chick and it
Speaker 2: was supposed to in do an abduction. And what he
Speaker 2: ended up doing was I'll tell you how he did it.
Speaker 2: He did the dead man's pose right, the the mummy
Speaker 2: pose essentially right, and he had the tip of his
Speaker 2: dick out on the top right of the banded bandages
Speaker 2: or whatever. He had the tip of his dick out,
Speaker 2: and he had his chick with a vibrator like edge
Speaker 2: of them I guess right to orgasm. And then he
Speaker 2: would go into this altered as the sex magic, go
Speaker 2: into this altered state.
Speaker 1: And he allegedly.
Speaker 2: Was abducted by these Cuthulhu entities craft who ran a
Speaker 2: train on him. Okay, they ran a train on him
Speaker 2: and he got impregnated. Okay, he was impregnated with this
Speaker 2: sort of numerical entity parasite if you will. And then
Speaker 2: he was able to read this code. There's a WHO
Speaker 2: book on it. Peter Lavenda wrote about it. Bro oh wow,
Speaker 2: okay where he could see this code in the Book
Speaker 2: of the Law and it was supposed to uh. I
Speaker 2: think it was linked to the number pi. And it proved,
Speaker 2: like he said, that every single different god and God
Speaker 2: has had a different numerical value. Again, I don't know
Speaker 2: the specific say. I didn't get into the mathematical part
Speaker 2: of it, but I can send you the book, Brian,
Speaker 2: you can kind of sortbody. It was Peter Lavenda and
Speaker 2: this dude, that's really interesting. Oh yeah, the Typhony and Oto,
Speaker 2: because I do think there is possibly that book is
Speaker 2: ciphered as well, but again we're never gonna know or
Speaker 2: was crawly full of shit and we're you know how
Speaker 2: many times I think how many dots were connecting that
Speaker 2: aren't even there? You don't you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was, uh all right, you even put
Speaker 1: it this way. There was There was a book called
Speaker 1: The Vision of the Voice. You know, people might have
Speaker 1: heard of it. Lisa from The Occult Rejects when she
Speaker 1: lived in Austin. She went to the library that that
Speaker 1: book when he was writing it, he had like a
Speaker 1: book that had you know, like where it was published
Speaker 1: is there, and that has all his notes, like he's
Speaker 1: writing stuff in there, and she went to go look
Speaker 1: at it, and like there was times when he brings
Speaker 1: up Rose a lot. People always think it's you know
Speaker 1: that girl, And inside that book you can actually see
Speaker 1: him doing the math for Jamatria for Rose, and it's obviously,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, like what I'm getting as you could
Speaker 1: see that in my opinion, he's he's using that name
Speaker 1: for something completely different than why you think you're reading it.
Speaker 1: You're watching his notes you're seeing, like to what he's
Speaker 1: like kind of almost thinking to us he's trying to
Speaker 1: explain somef he's telling the editor to even uh, you know,
Speaker 1: give a capital letters towards that don't get it. You know,
Speaker 1: there's reasons, there's you know, he was he was doing
Speaker 1: stuff on purpose. You know what I think is funny,
Speaker 1: maybe be totally honest with you. You know, the type
Speaker 1: of people too that that follow him, they've you know,
Speaker 1: extremely left. If they were to go in and read
Speaker 1: that book and see what he says about black people
Speaker 1: and gay people and his little notes, I think they'd
Speaker 1: be a little surpressed. He has no problem dropping the
Speaker 1: N word or calling them fags nagas. It's kind of funny,
Speaker 1: you know. You get all these uh, these these these
Speaker 1: bleeding liberals that put them up on a pedestal, but
Speaker 1: yet they don't realize what the fuck he was writing
Speaker 1: his own handwriting and his own notes about some people.
Speaker 2: You know, I've actually i've never actually read this particular book.
Speaker 2: I've read and an excerpt of this book when he's
Speaker 2: going through the ethers, right, and this is when he
Speaker 2: was doing it with with with Nierberg, Right, I guess
Speaker 2: I think he was, uh, he was actually fucking him
Speaker 2: in the ass, or Victor was fucking Crawley in the
Speaker 2: ass to do these visions.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The what I've what I've dubbed sidamic h is it
Speaker 2: sidamic portals, But don't don't google that because you'll get
Speaker 2: some stuff.
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 2: I've actually read this, I'm gonna this out because I've
Speaker 2: never read the actual book. I've read excerpts and it
Speaker 2: was in a book about John d Oh. Because you
Speaker 2: know this is you know, the thirty Inokian Athers, which
Speaker 2: is these different dimensions essentially that they unlocked and every
Speaker 2: single one has you know, a guardian of some sorts
Speaker 2: and you know they're protecting in and all this other.
Speaker 2: So that was the whole thing behind the Enochian Sometimes
Speaker 2: I wonder if.
Speaker 1: That stuff is almost like the movie inception, you know
Speaker 1: how like you can go deeper into going to another dream,
Speaker 1: into another dream.
Speaker 2: But think about that, bro like what if you get lost?
Speaker 2: Like that was the whole thing, right, They couldn't get
Speaker 2: lost in the dream because they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: come back out.
Speaker 1: Like in the matrix. If you die in the matrix,
Speaker 1: you're dead in real life. If there's an aspect of that.
Speaker 1: I have worried about that playing with magic. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Like there's times where I said, like I've
Speaker 1: even seen like windows that for me, I just don't
Speaker 1: know why. I get this feeling that you can go
Speaker 1: into it. I don't know if that's true or not,
Speaker 1: but I've I'd be afraid to. I'll just keep it
Speaker 1: real if you know what to back out. If there
Speaker 1: was some movie, I don't know if it's insidious, something
Speaker 1: that was sinister, and maybe that it is. It was
Speaker 1: this kid who was like kind of like a still
Speaker 1: traveling and I think like went into a coma and
Speaker 1: like that kid, like you would see him like go
Speaker 1: through like a door and would go somewhere and would
Speaker 1: get lost. And I do actually like wonder is that
Speaker 1: kind of like something true to an extent.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting that in that book that
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, the Anesthetic Revelation with Benjamin Paul Blood,
Speaker 2: which is you know, interesting initials, the one of the
Speaker 2: things he talked about was looking into mirrors and wondering
Speaker 2: if in the mirror was another reality. Like while he
Speaker 2: was like blasted off on this sort of stuff, he
Speaker 2: was wondering. Right, it was like it's like doing whippets,
Speaker 2: Like that's what that's essentially what it is. No, I'm serious,
Speaker 2: but like that's part of it. Like it's like that
Speaker 2: and people go people they look crazy on that. It
Speaker 2: cooks your brain, dude, Like it cooks these people's brain.
Speaker 2: They start talking all slow and they just destroy their
Speaker 2: lives with that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You know, for as, I'm very uh whenever I pick
Speaker 2: something up, I hyper focus on it, and I'm very compulsive,
Speaker 2: like when it comes to like hobbies and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: My wife makes fun of me because I'll pick up
Speaker 2: on you hyper fixation. I thank god every day that
Speaker 2: I never picked up drugs, oh and got hooked on
Speaker 2: drugs because like that's that's the kind of person that
Speaker 2: I have, bro, where I'll get hooked on something and
Speaker 2: I'll just keep doing it. Like you know, if you
Speaker 2: get into magic the gathering, you want the best deck,
Speaker 2: you want the best cards, you want the best everything,
Speaker 2: like you gotta do it. And you start podcasting, you
Speaker 2: want the best mic, you know, like all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: That's the way I am, bro. But thank god, knock
Speaker 2: on wood, that I haven't had that happen to me, but.
Speaker 1: I can't say the same for some people. Man.
Speaker 2: But Nick, you want to add anything before we get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here?
Speaker 1: Uh No, not really. I mean I had a really
Speaker 1: good time, like I expected.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I really would love to get you back on the
Speaker 1: show one day too. But thank you for having me on. Man,
Speaker 1: I had a really good talk. And it's that's, I guess, say,
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air. But if you're a very
Speaker 1: open minded person with the occult, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Hey, I appreciate you, and let me know whenever you
Speaker 2: want me to go back on the show. I said,
Speaker 2: I'm just asking questions. Bro. I'm not here to push
Speaker 2: any narrative.
Speaker 1: Right, we just want to figure out what the fuck
Speaker 1: is going on, man, Like what the fuck? Like I
Speaker 1: tell you, like how it is?
Speaker 2: Like, Bro, I've been thinking it's fake and it's gay,
Speaker 2: and I want to know maybe why it's not. But
Speaker 2: like there's so much of reality. But listen, you're like,
Speaker 2: it's so interesting, right, Like it's so interesting where I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: it can't just be that simple. I couldn't have just
Speaker 2: figured it out like hey guys, hey, hey, hey, it's
Speaker 2: all fake. It's all gay.
Speaker 1: Ray. It can't be that simple, or can it? Right? Like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I've spent so much time thinking about it, can it
Speaker 1: really be? I don't want to believe that aff to
Speaker 1: the Egyptians.
Speaker 2: That's the secret to the druids, that's the secret to
Speaker 2: the mind, that's a secret to the astext, that's a
Speaker 2: secret to all of reality.
Speaker 1: This whole fucking time.
Speaker 2: Because again, how I asked you earlier, how many dots
Speaker 2: are we connecting that aren't even fucking there?
Speaker 1: You get to the end and you open up a
Speaker 1: box that plays like fucking Rick Ashley. You just got
Speaker 1: Rick rolling. That's all it was. It's like some damn
Speaker 1: Brown type thing. He went through all that and it's
Speaker 1: faking gay, that's all it is. He just got trolled
Speaker 1: like it's fucking f Is that what the magical papyri said?
Speaker 2: You know, that's what they don't want to tell us, dude,
Speaker 2: That's what they don't want to tell us what it's
Speaker 2: all fakeing gays that Joseph Smith had, that's what the
Speaker 2: tablet said. And he's like, you know, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: roll with it. But that's what he translated that I
Speaker 2: take this ship out of here, take it back with.
Speaker 1: I can't go back with that. I gotta come up
Speaker 1: with something about Moroni.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so listen, bro, we'll do this again soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let the people know where they can find you all
Speaker 2: more time before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Uh the Occult Rejects and that's on old major podcasts
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