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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen. Quest what's gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 2>What? Welcome back to another episode of the One on

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<v Speaker 2>sure to check out the occult Is fund you look

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<v Speaker 2>this one day stuff. What's up? Dude?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Have any other YouTube I got demonetized?

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<v Speaker 2>It got demonetized.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro sucks off the follow the other one. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know you made it a second? Yeah it sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the money that mattered. It's more of like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a shadow band. You know, once you get

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<v Speaker 2>pinged discoverability, and every discoverability is already bad as is, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's already dog shit as is, it just gets

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<v Speaker 2>even worse whenever they you have that on the channel.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got hit for praising terrorist organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro Wow, I'm sure. I'm sure that was taken out

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<v Speaker 1>of context one hundred percent, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I got hit with that, and since it

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<v Speaker 2>was that particular guideline that I broke, YouTube was straight

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<v Speaker 2>up like, yeah, there's permanently demonetized.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, oh, that's awesome. They still putting commercials

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<v Speaker 1>in your stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Thought that fucked up that they'll tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll tell me I have episodes ineligible for shit because

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<v Speaker 1>his music is something in there, and they still fucking

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<v Speaker 1>put commercials in there. Ye jo, that is grimy.

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<v Speaker 2>Do as I say, not as I do. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>before you get into it, plug your stuff. Where can

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<v Speaker 2>people find you?

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<v Speaker 1>All Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Nick from the Occult Rejects, welcome to the show for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, I think especially.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the Occult Rejects. That's on bit shoot, Rumble

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<v Speaker 1>and YouTube. Just talking about YouTube and all major podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>And we do have the Occult Research Institute dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a website. Thank you very much, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put the links in the description. But dude, why

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<v Speaker 2>the Occult Rejects. What happened? Tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about your story, ex Oto, what got you into all

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<v Speaker 2>that originally.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the whole rejects and even the pearole thing

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<v Speaker 1>is probably because like originally when we started the show,

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<v Speaker 1>I was xot O and my co hosts re suppose

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<v Speaker 1>the ex Golden Dorn or maybe aymoorc. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was into the stuff. So I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we started to call out, like we were playing around,

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<v Speaker 1>being like, oh, we got to come up with a

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<v Speaker 1>name for the show, you know, like I had it

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<v Speaker 1>hit him on my show a few times, and we

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<v Speaker 1>started talking about doing our own show. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was mostly because for me it was more of

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<v Speaker 1>like we didn't I felt I didn't fit in in

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<v Speaker 1>the OTO. I felt like a reject there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't belong and I also owned that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>really down with. I guess that the places ran so

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<v Speaker 1>I thought when Tolly Arnswen and Lux came up with

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<v Speaker 1>the name, I was like, oh, that's perfect. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess kind of like being rejects, like he he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't fit in or he didn't think he belonged, he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't down with kind of the idea of how magic

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<v Speaker 1>is normally used nowadays. So I guess, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>considered rejects. We're not down, I guess with the club,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. So yeah, it's a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>And plus, like I do think one of the major

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<v Speaker 1>things is not saying that others are wrong. I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe you might even say this is one symbolism can

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<v Speaker 1>have like seven different meanings. Who knows. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>think that we try to look at it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit differently than other people do as well, So I

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<v Speaker 1>even think that makes any sense, like a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>not a reject, but just different.

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<v Speaker 2>More like a retard. Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna that's gonna be my next podcast, The Occult Retard.

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<v Speaker 2>The we should do a show like that, just talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it. But did he go back? Did year old?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he go back into the organization? Or you just

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<v Speaker 2>fizzled out or what ye life happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh no, ways, it's a long old story.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just you don't have to tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, no, it just didn't work out anymore. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually left and then uh I just pulled some

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<v Speaker 1>magic out of my ass, I guess, and still made

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<v Speaker 1>it happen and eventually built it up to what it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is now, So what got you to join the OTO? Because, right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that I have a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who hit me up who are always asking me about

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<v Speaker 2>the occult and write the esoteric and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people I never made the jump,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of people will make the jump and

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<v Speaker 2>they joined the Rosicrucians or the OTO or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more common than the Freemasons. Right, that's that's a common one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy, finals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they feel like they're gonna get access to

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of knowledge or their promise something. But what

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<v Speaker 2>got you to join?

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<v Speaker 1>I was I got into conspiracies like around twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 1>and I heavily gravitated towards like Jordan Maxwell, David Ike,

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<v Speaker 1>mainly a cult as well or into I guess talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the occult and studying it and you know whatever, teaching

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<v Speaker 1>people about it. So I was like heavily into that

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<v Speaker 1>and did believe that there's something behind it and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>just this is just for me, Like eventually I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm learning world. These orders are what country

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<v Speaker 1>they started in? Who supposedly started it? And then you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna mind fuck all that as well. And then I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't know what the fuck magic is. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't gotten anyway except for just following dates, names and lodges.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck is magic? So I was like, let

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<v Speaker 1>me see if I can find one of these places,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they're buying me. I am in New York at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and I was in Queens, so I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's probably some weird shit out here. So

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<v Speaker 1>I started looking for the Golden Dawn because believing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would have been a little bit more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in that. I will say I think Crowley's in a

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<v Speaker 1>so I really wasn't looking to join the OTO at first.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no Golden Down near me. I wasn't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go for like Temple a Set or the Church of Satan.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking for more of something that was more

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<v Speaker 1>of like ceremonial magic and kind of a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more strict, which is why I wanted to pick the

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Dawn. So I was like, well, let me see

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<v Speaker 1>if there's an no Oteo around here. There was one

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five minutes away from my house, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I guess I guess that's what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>because like even with the Freemasons, I knew Freemasons, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, this is just their experience. They said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you wann't to get into like actual like that

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<v Speaker 1>type of stuff, you're gonna have to stay around for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. Before they even talk about that, the

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<v Speaker 1>like Golden Dorn or Oto, you're obviously going in because

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<v Speaker 1>you want to practice ceremonial magic. I mean, it's so blatant,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, that's what they talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, all right, to Mason's obviously probably

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<v Speaker 1>isn't gonna work for me. So I looked up, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I found the OTO, and you know, these places they're

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<v Speaker 1>really not that secret. They have websites that will like

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<v Speaker 1>advertise where their lodges are, and they all have social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like I found to Hoodi Lodge, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the lodge I used to go to. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>found it on Facebook. I think I had a link

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<v Speaker 1>for it on the website, and then they had like

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<v Speaker 1>a calendar of like events and an email and I

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<v Speaker 1>checked it out and I was like, oh, the Gnostic mass,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try that, and I went and uh, six years

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<v Speaker 1>later I finally left. But yeah, it was more of

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<v Speaker 1>because I actually wanted to know, like what's really going

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<v Speaker 1>on in these things, like what kind of stuff do

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<v Speaker 1>they practice? Did they study? You know? Prior to that,

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<v Speaker 1>I already started getting into kind of like Thelemix style stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least the heck, you know, the hexagram ritol

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<v Speaker 1>and the pentagram ritol which was used by the Oto

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Dorn and a lot of secret societies, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>suggested by the Oto. So I had already had experience

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<v Speaker 1>So then eventually I was like, I think it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to actually go to a place and see what's really

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm stuck in this place recently where it's like, right, conspiracies,

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<v Speaker 2>the cult, It's kind of the same thing, Right, can

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<v Speaker 2>we control entities?

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<v Speaker 1>Are their entities?

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<v Speaker 2>Religion itself is a conspiracy. I mean there's people still

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<v Speaker 2>debating the legitimacy of quite literally everything is magic real, Nick.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've talked about like the whole near death

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<v Speaker 2>experience and you know, crossing the abyss and things of

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<v Speaker 2>that nature, But is it a real thing. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>putting yourself in a state of mind to believe what's

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<v Speaker 2>the what's the kicker man? What have you figured out

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<v Speaker 2>so far in this journey?

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout throughout That's a good way to put it. Throughout

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<v Speaker 1>my journey. My idea of magic has changed, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do think there's probably ways that you can look at

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<v Speaker 1>magic in different ways. And I think the first two

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<v Speaker 1>is probably more of what the public seems to think

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<v Speaker 1>it is. There's that magic where it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>that book The Secret or I'm just gonna tell myself

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<v Speaker 1>this is what's gonna happen. I'm gonna keep thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you almost pre program yourself to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>put yourself to get where you want to go, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. Where people will like almost like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like revalue. They constantly tell them like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get that car. I'm gonna get that car, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like stupid shit like that, like self help book. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. I do believe there is something to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's just a very basic, low level type

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that these these people have just started practicing yoga

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, going about for hours you know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what type of shit. I'm sure there is some legitimacy

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<v Speaker 1>to that. Then, like when I started really getting into magic,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more of I do think, and this is my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to, I do think you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>control to an extent the world around you. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a lot of what people seem to think

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<v Speaker 1>is magic. I'm gonna do something that's going to create

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<v Speaker 1>a change in the environment around me, that is true.

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<v Speaker 1>and I do think that seems to be even when

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna come in and it's going to change or

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<v Speaker 1>give me whatever I want. I really don't have. I

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<v Speaker 1>have had experiences in the past or maybe for work,

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<v Speaker 1>but like really trite, and it was always to change me. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>You know? But still again I'm affecting them, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bullshit. You're bullshitting yourself. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna bullshit yourself about how to make sense of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually I started stopped fucking with that and started getting

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<v Speaker 1>to do, I want to know the answers. Who are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I would do certain rituals to hope to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>from New York, you know. Yeah, he was obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. And I know that, so I

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<v Speaker 1>would try to work. You know, I would work maybe

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<v Speaker 1>with like a a venus, you know, or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You love beauty, patience, maybe you know, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would try to change myself. But it was my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>real real magic, and I just went dragging this all out.

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<v Speaker 1>For my opinion is you know what I've said to

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<v Speaker 1>you before is to separate I think your soul from

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<v Speaker 1>know that's really kind of what I think magic is.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting there is the is the kicker right as to

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that is one thing I do just want to add.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever I did have magical experiences was before I started

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<v Speaker 2>Well, fasting is powerful too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I have I have done basically,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just saying drug wise, I've never taken drugs

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<v Speaker 2>Use, yeah, yeah, But the being sober and the fast

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<v Speaker 2>thing I've heard, you know, brings forth these oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these experiences. Right, if you're gonna contact God or be

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<v Speaker 2>in the presence of God, need to be purified to

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<v Speaker 1>Now, how many people can do that, That's true, not

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<v Speaker 1>many people.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you eliminate fifty percent of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>can't fast right or whatever it is for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the discipline on top of that eliminate half

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't even do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But for example, like the whole conspiracy crowd, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you see it. I think we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it before, where when something happens in the super Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>or something somewhere with Trump or anywhere, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a richal look at that thirty three blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even get down with that stuff anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you think that there is something to that?

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<v Speaker 1>I think something.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's weird, Like for example, yesterday I did an

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<v Speaker 2>White or whatever the dude's name was equals thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the I was just murdered from Info Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>I yes, I do think stuff like that, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just just certain things that like, how could

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<v Speaker 1>I put it this way? If unless you're a freemason

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<v Speaker 1>and you've done the third degree initiation, how are you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go on and tell people something you just watched

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<v Speaker 1>on TV it was a third degree initiation? You don't

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<v Speaker 1>fucking know. Yeah, people going on saying that Mike Tyson

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<v Speaker 1>f I was a third degree initiation? Are you fucking Mason?

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<v Speaker 1>And dumbem? The fuck are you telling people? You have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard I've heard people say that, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're actually a freemason and gone through the third degree,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you telling thousands of people that that's what

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<v Speaker 1>that is? It's a joke. You have a a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that going on. People who have never stepped into

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<v Speaker 1>a temple or stepped into a ring of telling people

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck's going on on those things and they

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<v Speaker 1>have zero clue. But people love it though. Mick and

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<v Speaker 1>people believe it one hundred percent silly, and then people

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<v Speaker 1>shit get blown off. It was like, that's boring. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I have to make up like sci fi

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<v Speaker 1>stories to keep it interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the society.

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<v Speaker 1>That we love. We'll talk about aliens for I'm serious though, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's what people want. I'll just talk about aliens.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is another one. I can't prove to you

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<v Speaker 2>that it was real.

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<v Speaker 1>All. I can't prove to you that it's not real, right, No,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think you're onto something. There is something with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the stories you can read about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the are is the magic is the cult or

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<v Speaker 2>you know these aspects you're you're talking about, like shaping

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and going through this experience, is it all part

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<v Speaker 2>of your brain? Like is this different facets of your psyche?

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<v Speaker 2>Like is it different aspects of yourself? Because like that's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the self help stuff, in my opinion works

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<v Speaker 2>and this sounds really stupid, but the whole being in

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<v Speaker 1>I've had that work for me, and I have a

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<v Speaker 2>Me manifesting that fish that's right there on my wall

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<v Speaker 2>with that picture there. The biggest fish I've ever caught

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<v Speaker 2>to this day, right, And it was weird because the

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<v Speaker 2>the day before, me and my boy always go to

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<v Speaker 2>this lake.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the biggest lakes in Central Florida, Lake Tohoe,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a hard lake. It's they do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of tournaments out there, like all the

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<v Speaker 2>pros fish it and it's a it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>hard lake, right, it's you know, however, many hundred acres

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of times they would go, we'd not

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<v Speaker 2>have like good luck, right, would be out there for bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun fact, I started doing fishing videos before I started podcasting,

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<v Speaker 2>But you would go out for twelve hours a day

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<v Speaker 2>to try and catch a fish, and when you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>catch anything for twelve hours, you're like, what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>am I gonna put out?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So the day before and I caught all this on camera,

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<v Speaker 2>Bro was the craziest ship ever. It's on my YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>channel somewhere. And the day before I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna kill it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have the greatest time, the greatest fishing day ever.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we got there bro playing it like boom

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<v Speaker 2>and this is all on camera, all in the video,

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<v Speaker 2>slaying it, slaying it. And then the last catch of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. I'm telling my boy, I go, bro, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a giant out here. Somewhere, there's a giant. He's like, yeah, Bro,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is how you're gonna You're gonna catch

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest one of your life on the video. Bro,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all on video, Like, I'm not making any

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<v Speaker 2>of this ship. And he's like, You're gonna catch the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest one of your life. And I'm like yeah, bro, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna be crazy. And my speed worm ah.

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<v Speaker 2>It broke the tail right, and I'm like oh and

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<v Speaker 2>I and I go, hey, I broke the tail off

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<v Speaker 2>this bitch. I remember the words bro, like and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I broke the tail off this bitch. That's how you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the juice. And my boy goes, yeah, that's the juice, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and I cast and I'm just slowly reaching so it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Broken and it worked and it caught the biggest one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. It was like it was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like my lure is stuck, right because we're

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<v Speaker 2>fishing off shore and hook sets are free, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>I reel in a little bit and I set the

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<v Speaker 2>dog shit out the hook. Bro, I'm just like, boom,

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<v Speaker 2>it was something on the other end, right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>My my my reel goes like it's like from how

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<v Speaker 2>my boy, I'm like, bro, this is a giant because

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like, you know when when you got a

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<v Speaker 2>big fish. Right, He goes, what are you talking about, bro?

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<v Speaker 2>So again all on video, I'm reeling it in fighting

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<v Speaker 2>this fish, the biggest fish I've ever caught this to

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<v Speaker 2>this day, nine points something pound almost ten pounds back right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a huge bass.

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<v Speaker 1>And my boys helping me out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying not to get it, you know, caught in

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<v Speaker 2>the trolling moat and everything, and it jumps out of

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<v Speaker 2>the water and we see it for the first time, BRO,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we I could fit my whole hand into its mouth. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>my whole arm and hand into its mouth. So we

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<v Speaker 2>They're all watching us because we were killing it that

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<v Speaker 2>day just like boom boom boom, and my boy starts.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to stay calm and my boy is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to calm me down. He's like, bro, bring it over

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<v Speaker 2>with the net everything, bro, and you'll see. I'll send

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<v Speaker 2>you the video.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>The it was exciting, porgasmic, right, like it's like like

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<v Speaker 2>you have like this feeling you see, bro, you see

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<v Speaker 2>my emotion everything in that video because but it all

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<v Speaker 2>started the day before. I was like I'm gonna you know,

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<v Speaker 2>gonna kill it tomorrow, right and it worked, bro, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if I.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that is real?

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<v Speaker 2>You know it is. So I feel like I affected

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<v Speaker 2>my reality in a way. And this is I'm talking

421
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<v Speaker 2>about this particular thing because I can prove it, like

422
00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I have a video, Like I have a video the

423
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<v Speaker 2>whole thing, and I call you know the time I

424
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<v Speaker 2>manifested the biggest fish I've ever caught, and I kind

425
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<v Speaker 2>of did, because bro, what are the chances that right

426
00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.400
<v Speaker 2>when I'm like, I got the juice, bro off this

427
00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:27.319
<v Speaker 2>bitch and I cast it, yeah, bro, and I'm really

428
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<v Speaker 2>it in And then that was the That was the cast.

429
00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.039
<v Speaker 1>My boy had the affirmations and everything ready He's like, yeah, bro.

430
00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:34.759
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna do it. It's gonna be the biggest one

431
00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and go yeah and that that, Bro, that was the cast.

432
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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.

433
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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy that.

434
00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:50.279
<v Speaker 1>It worked. That's crazy. That's like a cool experience to have.

435
00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Say you good for you, man.

436
00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:56.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that that was the the last fish of

437
00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:58.079
<v Speaker 2>the day that we had to call. And then I

438
00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:01.200
<v Speaker 2>took pictures with it, I took measurements, and I went home, bro,

439
00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:02.160
<v Speaker 2>because what are you gonna do? Then?

440
00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? You know what I'm saying, like, what else has

441
00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:06.759
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do? Now?

442
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.599
<v Speaker 2>You got that high, right, so if you catch anything else,

443
00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:15.519
<v Speaker 2>it's not gonna even be uh remotely even close to.

444
00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Put yourself in a pigeon hole after that one.

445
00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:22.240
<v Speaker 2>So again, what I was saying, telling yourself, is it

446
00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:24.960
<v Speaker 2>part of your your psyche? Is it part of your mind?

447
00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Are these things that you're tapping into because you were

448
00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:32.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about shifting between different energies and different facets of

449
00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:33.920
<v Speaker 2>like Hey, this day I'm gonna invoke venus or this

450
00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:36.599
<v Speaker 2>day I'm gonna invoke Saturn. What if that's just like,

451
00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, a Youngian approach of these are different parts

452
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<v Speaker 2>of our own selves.

453
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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, I do believe that. Actually I do believe that.

454
00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:47.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean I even when I would work on certain

455
00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:49.480
<v Speaker 1>things like that, I would look at like what am

456
00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I doing and what do I want to stop doing?

457
00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, I would acknowledge that maybe certain aspects of

458
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<v Speaker 1>my personality believe it or not, as cheesy as it sounds.

459
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<v Speaker 1>And I have said this to people and on the show,

460
00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and I mean I because of being you know, whatever mandated.

461
00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I have done some like I've been to AA and

462
00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.559
<v Speaker 1>rehebs before in the past, but it's almost like doing

463
00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:13.359
<v Speaker 1>like a fourth step from AA. I would say, like

464
00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:16.160
<v Speaker 1>if you actually wrote, well, if you filled that out

465
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<v Speaker 1>and did that and kind of like did it to

466
00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:22.119
<v Speaker 1>yourself and really looked at yourself like that, that is

467
00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot like shadow work and kind of what magicians

468
00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:28.119
<v Speaker 1>are doing, believe it or not, And then you're gonna

469
00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.640
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna look at that shit and you're gonna want

470
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<v Speaker 1>to change it about yourself, and you're gonn start trying

471
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<v Speaker 1>to figure out ways to do it.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that what the TikTok uh psychic say.

473
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hate that phrase. It's like I think

474
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<v Speaker 1>wake a right away, and I'm like, oh.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Because the it was Crawley right that said that the

476
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<v Speaker 2>goetia was a part of yourself. I don't know if

477
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<v Speaker 2>you said that.

478
00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Originally he thought it was part of the aspects of

479
00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the brain, which I do. I do believe it is,

480
00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:01.839
<v Speaker 1>and then I think, I don't. It wasn't like they

481
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:03.680
<v Speaker 1>put out a new book, or maybe they did, maybe

482
00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:05.680
<v Speaker 1>they edited it, or he said it in another book

483
00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:08.200
<v Speaker 1>that one of his other released that he thinks it's

484
00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.200
<v Speaker 1>both that they could be, which I find interesting because

485
00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.799
<v Speaker 1>that's actually what I think sometimes pulled the guy saw.

486
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:15.839
<v Speaker 1>I do think it's something you're creating, but then it

487
00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.160
<v Speaker 1>ends up creating the world around you. So I can

488
00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:22.000
<v Speaker 1>see the Goatians still being that it's in your head,

489
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:27.200
<v Speaker 1>but maybe it does actually manifest in reality. There's a way,

490
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.279
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying within the cult is you

491
00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:31.079
<v Speaker 1>never understand what the fuck they're really saying. Let's they

492
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.599
<v Speaker 1>get specific, that's my opinion. Yeah, and unless you're you're uh,

493
00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you're initiated, right, Yeah, I mean that's the whole aspect

494
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:40.519
<v Speaker 1>but he does say he thinks it could be both

495
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.319
<v Speaker 1>all the aspects of the mind, or they could be real.

496
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.480
<v Speaker 2>But he also did write that some people's will is

497
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.640
<v Speaker 2>to have their will bent to your own will. So

498
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:55.359
<v Speaker 2>sometimes no means yes, right, that he was weird. I mean,

499
00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:58.480
<v Speaker 2>he was into some some stuff. But he did expose

500
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:02.240
<v Speaker 2>expose a lot of things, right, And I think.

501
00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.799
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think is weird that I tell you, Like,

502
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:06.599
<v Speaker 1>even his story is kind of like weird if you

503
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.640
<v Speaker 1>think about it, Like he originally came out kind of

504
00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>like exposing magic. I mean, that's why he put out

505
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:15.400
<v Speaker 1>all that Golden Dawn stuff. He was pretty much saying, like,

506
00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>this is what it's about, and I think everybody should

507
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.599
<v Speaker 1>be privy to it. That's actually how he first started,

508
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>and everybody was like, oh my god, he's releasing all

509
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.079
<v Speaker 1>these rituals. Technically he was releasing shit he wasn't supposed

510
00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>to technically.

511
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:30.680
<v Speaker 2>But wasn't it Regardi that put put out the.

512
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<v Speaker 1>All those stuff, No, all those libs with his I

513
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.680
<v Speaker 1>mean regard he might have put out some, but certain

514
00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.839
<v Speaker 1>libs though those are all Crawley, a lot of them.

515
00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:43.559
<v Speaker 2>But because the way I've understood it is I think

516
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 2>it was Royce or somebody went to him and told

517
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<v Speaker 2>him that he had he had unintentionally.

518
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:54.759
<v Speaker 1>Like, no, no, actually, but it's something in the Book of.

519
00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:57.960
<v Speaker 2>The Law, something in the Book of the Law.

520
00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.759
<v Speaker 1>I actually think the Book of the Laws is my

521
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and is all focusing on the.

522
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Eyeball in the brain perception.

523
00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well actually how it works and everything too. Really yeah,

524
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean you even think you believe in that had

525
00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:12.839
<v Speaker 1>is a planoff for d h A, which is something

526
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:17.640
<v Speaker 1>inside your eyeball as well as fish. Yeah, this is God,

527
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.480
<v Speaker 1>well God would be the God. Yeah. Yeah. Even even

528
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:24.799
<v Speaker 1>the Stella of Revelation, in my opinion, looks like an eyeball,

529
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:26.279
<v Speaker 1>and it looks like the cones and the rods that

530
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.400
<v Speaker 1>are in there and all that ship. So what say

531
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:33.720
<v Speaker 1>that again, the stella of revelation. Yeah, there's even stuff

532
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:35.559
<v Speaker 1>in his rituals that he does that, in my opinion,

533
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.920
<v Speaker 1>is pointing to the pineal glen Like I I hate

534
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 1>to say it, but I do think the guy understood

535
00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the eyeball in some of the stelli of on and

536
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and of cough consu or the Stella of revelation, Yeah,

537
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.640
<v Speaker 1>either one of those cough consu. Yeah, he thought he

538
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>was that too, thought he was consu he thought he was.

539
00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah this thing here, yeah, yes, So what are we

540
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:03.680
<v Speaker 2>looking at? You said that it's like the eyeball.

541
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do think that's part of it. I mean,

542
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 1>it's be hard to get into, but those are like

543
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the same things on the bottom. You see that that

544
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:12.759
<v Speaker 1>thing that's spinning kind of that You got a lot

545
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>of the cones and the rods in your eyeball of

546
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.279
<v Speaker 1>the same colors. Yeah, I do think that might be

547
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.720
<v Speaker 1>like the back of the eyeball.

548
00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>So this is interesting because John Dee was into optics

549
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.200
<v Speaker 2>as well, and he was he was into a lot

550
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>of things, but he had this thing called katroptics, which

551
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>was pretty much being able to turn your soul into

552
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a mirror of sorts, right, I mean, and that's interesting

553
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.799
<v Speaker 2>because it's got to do with the stellar rays and

554
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>things of that nature where they say everything is emitting light, right,

555
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.640
<v Speaker 2>we're all light beings or light is coming out from us,

556
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>and the way that our lights interact, that's an all

557
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>chemical reaction. And you're also able to snuff out the

558
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:02.119
<v Speaker 2>light of something else and you use that like or

559
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, use the energy of that life for purposes

560
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.759
<v Speaker 2>right and sacrifice, et cetera, things of this nature. And

561
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I forgot where it was that I saw something about

562
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 2>like an upside down eye. Stuff I'd have to find

563
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.839
<v Speaker 2>I probably did an episode on it a long time ago.

564
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>But I've seen this before. Where But here's my problem,

565
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 2>because when I think of the occult, a lot of

566
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.519
<v Speaker 2>the times, a lot of these guys that were exposing it, right,

567
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.400
<v Speaker 2>So you're saying he almost had like, well.

568
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of like I'm not saying like he was

569
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.920
<v Speaker 1>a good guy. I'm just saying that's kind of how

570
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.039
<v Speaker 1>his story is, which I find weird. I just find

571
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:40.319
<v Speaker 1>that even weird to begin with.

572
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he was exposing it but got wrapped up in

573
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.759
<v Speaker 2>it at the same time, right, like, because his whole

574
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>thing was against the being against the church, right, he

575
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.519
<v Speaker 2>hated the church because allegedly what they had done to

576
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>his father and stuff.

577
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Even he even had like a magical experience and then

578
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>stops fucking with magic for a few years and then

579
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>came back. Even did that.

580
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:03.440
<v Speaker 2>When he was younger.

581
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I mean there's even that too, which I

582
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:07.759
<v Speaker 1>find interesting. Where'd you go guys?

583
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Because a lot of the guys that write about

584
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the occult. And this is where I'm struggling because, for example,

585
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 2>the Goatia, right you have, John Veayer wrote the pseudo

586
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Monarchiam Daimonum, where it was supposed to be satire, supposed

587
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>to be, uh, you know, a work of fiction. It

588
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.160
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be making fun of people. Or is

589
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 2>the satire part of the occult. But sometimes I think

590
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.240
<v Speaker 2>the occult is occulting the fact that it's gay, faking gay,

591
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that it's.

592
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the secrets right there, mystery mysteries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

593
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I do think, Yeah, I think. I think there's plenty

594
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>of rabbit holes that are twist out there too by magicians.

595
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah take this, it's fake and gay, but you'll, you'll,

596
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:53.200
<v Speaker 1>he'll entertain you for y.

597
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. And like, what was it that I

598
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>was listening to something today where they were talking about

599
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I was listening to something on the homunculous.

600
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I was listening to mine Unveiled's documentary which I helped

601
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 2>him out, the ten hour documentary on homunculus. I wouldn't

602
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 2>say we, but he worked on that think for at

603
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:18.559
<v Speaker 2>least six months. Bro. It was crazy and I like

604
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I helped him out right, like we gave him a

605
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of information and stuff like that. And in it

606
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 2>he talks about how the homunculous has multiple meanings, like

607
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 2>it's a multifaceted concept, and that's how I look at

608
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 2>the occult or the occult. Sometimes you might have your

609
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.839
<v Speaker 2>grasp on it of like what it could be, and

610
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 2>it changes real time. Bro, I don't eve you've ever

611
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>had that happening when you're like, oh, I kind of

612
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>understand this concept and then Mandela effect, it's something completely different.

613
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 1>That's actually uh. When I was working on the Eye

614
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Bowls series, I think it's like one part to the next.

615
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Actually corrected myself and changed like the way I was

616
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>looking at something because I was like, I think I'm

617
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>completely off. I mean I was kind of close, but

618
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I just think, you know, so like even for me,

619
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 1>there's times where even I'm like, oh wait, I think

620
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 1>I was, like I was sold on it before. Then

621
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 1>you learn something new and you're like, all right, that

622
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense now. It's almost like the information is

623
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.240
<v Speaker 1>alive in a sort of like weird way.

624
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>You get what I'm saying, Like it's always there, it's

625
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>always changing and it was a book on Fulconelly. I

626
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>think you it wasn't Eugene Consoli. It was somebody else

627
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>that wrote this book on Fulconelly, right, I mean, out

628
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<v Speaker 2>of all people, this enigmatic guy Fulconelly that we're still

629
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 2>we still don't know who he was. But in that

630
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 2>book he talks about when you study the occult and

631
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>how you're saying you drive yourself crazy looking at it,

632
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 2>especially with the change every time you look at it.

633
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<v Speaker 2>You ever had a dream where you go and read

634
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Speaker 2>something and it changes in front of you.

635
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know it may have. I don't remember.

636
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<v Speaker 2>I did try and read into your next dream er.

637
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you dream because sometimes I spoke

638
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot of weed.

639
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>But what does that stup you from dreaming?

640
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

641
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh all right, could be the answer that I have noticed.

642
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I only have dreams that much anymore.

643
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 2>That's why, bro, it does something to your brain where

644
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you can't dream.

645
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>So I did it all throughout the day with my

646
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>eyes open. There's nothing left.

647
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah pretty much? So Yeah, they say message with

648
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.119
<v Speaker 2>something in your brain where you're you're unable to dream.

649
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>But I think dreams are interesting because I've sometimes I

650
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.759
<v Speaker 2>had some I actually woke up from a dream this

651
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.079
<v Speaker 2>past week where I had a conversation with somebody in

652
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 2>the dream, and sometimes I wonder if the person that

653
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I see in the dream is also dreaming about me

654
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>talking to me and their dream. I felt that before, yeah, bro,

655
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 2>because like I even looked stuff up after the dream

656
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.559
<v Speaker 2>to see if it came up, but nothing came up.

657
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Like like they told me, they told me a certain

658
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>phrase and it was the we were talking about someone

659
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, yeah, no, they were a debo

660
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 2>or a devo or something, and it was like it

661
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>they told me it was like the Indian Indian word

662
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Indian word for idiot. But I don't know what the

663
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>hell they were trying to tell me. So I looked

664
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>up every which way, bro, Devo, debo, d like all

665
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>these things, trying to find what the hell that doesn't exist?

666
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Like did I make all that up? Or was like

667
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 2>there's some secret hidden meaning.

668
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.079
<v Speaker 1>It's like a secret password, right, It's like the word

669
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you got into like an initiation. Oh really no no,

670
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>but they do do that in initiations, will give you

671
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:49.759
<v Speaker 1>a word like I gotta say, hokey pokey. Devovo can't

672
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.519
<v Speaker 1>pass well when you look up the word idiot an Indian.

673
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's really no other way around that.

674
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>You just look up the word idiot in Indian and

675
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.839
<v Speaker 2>it should give you the dea an issue, right. So

676
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a beav a couf that's what. That's a Hindi

677
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>beav a coof. But I didn't see uh beaf coof

678
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.920
<v Speaker 2>that's but I didn't see anything else, So I don't know.

679
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>It was something that my mind was making up because

680
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 2>how much of reality. There's that guy an Il Seth

681
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I think is his name, that talks about hallucination.

682
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, what is he so familiar though? Oh that's right? Actually,

683
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 1>oh has he all of them? Yeah? I've actually tried

684
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 1>to get him on my show. That that's why he

685
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:38.519
<v Speaker 1>doesn't answer.

686
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know.

687
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 1>If yeah, yeah, yeah he's uh yeah, I try to

688
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>get him on. He works with anesthesia, does he really? Yeah?

689
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he's I've watched some of his stuff and like,

690
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:54.519
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, this is just my opinion. I I

691
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>think people can be occultist and not be like practicing

692
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.279
<v Speaker 1>magic like people normally. I'll just put it that way.

693
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:04.319
<v Speaker 1>I think he has an understanding and I think he

694
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>realizes what's going on with anesthesia? Because he does focus

695
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 1>on that and kind of like what the fuck's really

696
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>going on and how is that possible? And when you

697
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>start looking at it, debates that him and like a

698
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:21.199
<v Speaker 1>few other people, uh Shell Drake and uh god, I

699
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.199
<v Speaker 1>fucking forgot the other guy's name. I even have a

700
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.199
<v Speaker 1>book on him. You listen to them three talk and

701
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like, Yo, you're literally talking about like magic and

702
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the abyss trying to figure out like how the fuck

703
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:30.320
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense.

704
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 2>He says, we're all hallucinating all the time. When we

705
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.760
<v Speaker 2>agree about our hallucinations, we call it reality. So he

706
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>said that this dude messes with anesthesia.

707
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Well I think he might have been actually involved like

708
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 1>with that, like it, done something with that, or at

709
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>least studies with it. Yeah, yeah, because like he was

710
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 1>going on uh on talking about like the effects of

711
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.519
<v Speaker 1>anesthesia and what it actually does, because if you think

712
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>about it, that does put you out limbo, man, like

713
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>where are you going when that happens? Like what's actually

714
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>going on? You know what I'm And like I think

715
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>like that was like kind of a thing that like

716
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>spurred an idea for the guy, and he kind of

717
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>went with.

718
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't it. Paracelsis still in that created anesthesia. Oh,

719
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. You see here, so history apparently

720
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 2>it's been around since for a long time. But he did,

721
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean he was the father. I know he created

722
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it was. Oh yeah, he did contribute to it.

723
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.199
<v Speaker 2>So Paracels and his contributions to anesthesia, he is the

724
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>father of modern day toxicology essentially. So you know, the

725
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.239
<v Speaker 2>dose makes the poison. If you take too much of

726
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.679
<v Speaker 2>too much anesthesia, you die. If you take too a

727
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit, you feel every single little thing right. But

728
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting you bring up anesthesia because I did an

729
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>episode one time on Benjamin Paul Blood where it's called

730
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 2>the Anesthetic Revelation. It's this book written in eighteen something,

731
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Speaker 2>early nineteen hundreds, and it's about a dude who what

732
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the you know, that they have had like huffing parties.

733
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Back then, everyone would get quite high on anesthesia everything

734
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>because it was you know, it was not regulated. And

735
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 2>so what he had figured out was that at the

736
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 2>peak of the anesthesia, of this anesthetic dream state, at

737
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:20.079
<v Speaker 2>the very peak of it, he understood everything in all

738
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>of psychology and all of philosophy, all of the philosophies ever,

739
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>like he understood every single thing at the very top

740
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>of it, and then you come down and then he

741
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.079
<v Speaker 2>would forget. Then he would forget, so he would have

742
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>like people writing to him, like, Bro, I understand what

743
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.039
<v Speaker 2>you're saying about understanding reality, understanding the world being connected

744
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to it as soon as you're at that very peak,

745
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>and then you come back down and you don't remember.

746
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.440
<v Speaker 2>And that to me is almost like, could there be

747
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 2>a secret to anesthesia? The fact that Paracelsus, you know,

748
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 2>he was an alchemist, he was into some stuff. Maybe

749
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.079
<v Speaker 2>there was something to that, right, is a reason for

750
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>his contribution to it, because one hundred percent who was

751
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 2>mixing stuff up and taking it back then? Bro?

752
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Like that. So if I if you go by what

753
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 1>I say, and I think you have to almost like

754
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of bring yourself to death to have a magical experience,

755
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 1>you could be fucking with that shit. I even think,

756
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>this is just my opinion, why you you get some

757
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 1>grimoires that are like if you were to take that shit,

758
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it'd be poison. Maybe there's a reason why, Yeah, because

759
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>you kind of knock yourself off and there's something about that, right,

760
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 1>So I mean Shamans do it. They put themselves under

761
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.519
<v Speaker 1>extremes until they think they've had a near death experience.

762
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>But is it a near death experience in what sense

763
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 2>as a biological death or like an ego death like.

764
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I think like your body will actually think

765
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.519
<v Speaker 1>like it's yeah, it's much more beyond just like oh

766
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 1>I've changed now, because like no, I think that your

767
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>body actually goes through a fucking change, like your body

768
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.519
<v Speaker 1>is affected by it. It's not just like you know,

769
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>one of the people post those current the frog things

770
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>dancing thinking I had that leveled up. It's not one

771
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 1>of those things. Yeah, you know what stupid? Yeah, No, No,

772
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I do think, you know, because I I just my opinion.

773
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I just do think. I you know, even I'm not

774
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna say it's the typical word. I mean, do you

775
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:30.639
<v Speaker 1>think there's something behind it? I don't want to say

776
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>it because it's but even stuff in blood. I think

777
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:35.760
<v Speaker 1>there is even something in blood that gets used up

778
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.320
<v Speaker 1>or changes when you fuck with magic. You know, I

779
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 1>think your eyeballs, you know stuff for me, you know,

780
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 1>every time I fucked with magic, when my eyeball will

781
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 1>get bigger than the other one, one will get bigger

782
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 1>and one will go pinned. And I've had blood issues

783
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.599
<v Speaker 1>like your ear pupils even Yeah, my pupil will be

784
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.039
<v Speaker 1>one pupil was full millimeters bigger than the other one,

785
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and I had to get a bag of saliene and

786
00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>a bag of blood. They said, my h hemoglobe and

787
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 1>levels through the roof because you were doing Are you

788
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 1>doing a ritual?

789
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 2>No?

790
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I was actually blasting off. I did it three times

791
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>in like ten days. That was a fucking mess. By

792
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>gone on what nothing, No, just fucking with magic. Really

793
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.679
<v Speaker 1>he almost died from messing with magic three times in

794
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 1>I would consider myself pretty much dying every time I've

795
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.800
<v Speaker 1>done it. And one time I got like a little

796
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>crazy with it and did it about three times in

797
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>ten days, and that was a fucking mental mess and

798
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.440
<v Speaker 1>a physical mess. I had to go to the hospital.

799
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Shit will fuck up your head.

800
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>You keep on doing it too, so it'll mess with

801
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you biologically and also psychologically.

802
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, those downloads are real, and the more you

803
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>do it, the louder they're gonna get, and the more

804
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>often they're gonna come. And you can't shut it off,

805
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.239
<v Speaker 1>so you're gonna have to sit there and listen to it.

806
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:56.239
<v Speaker 1>So are people who are I think some people are skezophrenic. Yeah,

807
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I think they're half in there and half out. Or

808
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 1>or some guy I've seen on YouTube, I try to

809
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 1>get him on. His name's okay, Charlie. You go look

810
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.079
<v Speaker 1>at his stuff. This guy's going out and all over

811
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the place, caves, fucking woods here and there, and he's

812
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 1>recording stuff and he's actually finding there is voices in

813
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:17.159
<v Speaker 1>the fucking ambient air. There is stuff being pumped out

814
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 1>from somehow, So people, for all I know, people could

815
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.320
<v Speaker 1>be hearing that, or the fucking pills they're being taken

816
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.119
<v Speaker 1>and makes them hear it anyway more susceptible to hearing it.

817
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, yeah, but you will hear things in

818
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 1>my opinion that it's hard to explain. It's almost like

819
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:34.599
<v Speaker 1>these knowings that are so loud it's as if they're

820
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>being spoken to this hard to me, it sounds silly.

821
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 2>And I think that even sort of messing with this

822
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff as far as like I call myself an armchair coltist,

823
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>where even having these books in my in my room

824
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 2>or in my space, or even talking about it, I

825
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.119
<v Speaker 2>think that it even opens you up and I've experienced things.

826
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I've experienced at least heavy synchronicities, like crazy, weird synchronicities

827
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 2>where you get a lot of the same numbers. I

828
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.639
<v Speaker 2>get a lot of the same numbers, you know, repeating numbers.

829
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But I've gotten to the point where I laugh it off.

830
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Bro. Well, I think if you see that you're doing,

831
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.199
<v Speaker 1>you're doing something right. I don't think it's a bad thing.

832
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:20.800
<v Speaker 2>That's the way I see when I you know, when

833
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I have a synchronicity, it's because I'm on the right timeline.

834
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I think you're doing it will, you're doing your will. Yeah,

835
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 1>or I think that could be like, you know, representative

836
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.119
<v Speaker 1>of you, kind of like you know, uh, side effects

837
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe if you're on the right track of doing your

838
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.159
<v Speaker 1>own will. Maybe.

839
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.000
<v Speaker 2>My wife makes fun of me because she'll see when

840
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I have synchronicity sometimes, right, She's like, I'll I'll look

841
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 2>right and I'll and I'll laugh, you know, I'll just

842
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 2>laugh at all.

843
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, another one of your angel numbers happening you first. Yeah,

844
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, those people give us a bad day, man.

845
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing, bro that But she doesn't how

846
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you're saying about being grounded Yeah, she keeps me grounded

847
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 2>because she doesn't believe in shit. Like man, she's Christian,

848
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:12.880
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't not believe in anything. She believes in God

849
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and all that, but as far as she doesn't believe

850
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 2>in anything, as as far as like the occult and

851
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, and you know, the whole she knows

852
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>what I talk about and she doesn't really agree with

853
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>all of it. So she kind of does poke poke

854
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.639
<v Speaker 2>fun at me sometimes, but that before, you know, sometimes

855
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:32.519
<v Speaker 2>I'll be watching like her, you know, one of her

856
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 2>shows with her and dude, even on the show Love

857
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>is Blind. I know you've seen on Netflix. I'm sure

858
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.159
<v Speaker 2>you've seen the memes. There's a show Love is Blind.

859
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like where people go into these pods and they

860
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>fall in love with somebody on the other side without

861
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 2>ever seeing them, and it's this whole thing, right, And

862
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.119
<v Speaker 2>there was this one season, dude, where one of the

863
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:54.960
<v Speaker 2>guys was boasting about being able to orgasm without coming.

864
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I can go for a long time. He's like,

865
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 2>I went and I studied with these Buddhists and the

866
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.840
<v Speaker 2>mountains and bro, this is like the most regular show

867
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 2>you will ever see, you know, Netflix, Like you know

868
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>millions of people watch the show. But I'm like, oh shit,

869
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this guy is into some tantric stuff.

870
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Like this guy is like in the c Yo. That's

871
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.039
<v Speaker 1>so funny. Regular person thinking was this guy a freaking

872
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 1>We're like, oh wait, this guy's into some weird He's

873
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.079
<v Speaker 1>into the e. He's practicing some witch shit.

874
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I've seen him with Freemason rings on two on these shows. Bro,

875
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Like the shows that you wouldn't even expect.

876
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Like that are yo. Sometimes those shows are literally made

877
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.440
<v Speaker 1>up just to give those motherfuckers something to do and

878
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 1>some money. But it's like, oh, you're in the club,

879
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:46.400
<v Speaker 1>but we gotta give you something to do. Right here,

880
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 1>We'll start a fucking stupid show. Motherfuckers will watch it.

881
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 1>We'll say it's reality TV.

882
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, reality right, the hyperreality you know John Ball's yard,

883
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.559
<v Speaker 2>you know who was kind of big on first starting

884
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>that reality TV for us?

885
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Who Trump was one of the first out there Russian

886
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>reality TV? Oh yeah, yeah definitely.

887
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 2>But it's like these people are caricatures right when they're

888
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:17.000
<v Speaker 2>on these shows, like they're different people. Even the concept

889
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.760
<v Speaker 2>of acting itself is a sort of a cult thing,

890
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 2>you know. I obviously I have Nick Cage behind me.

891
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 2>He's talked about this sort of shamanism that he does.

892
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 2>I did an episode with his son, Yeah, with Nick

893
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Cage's son where shout out to Western Cage where he

894
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:38.039
<v Speaker 2>told me he had to he one time he almost

895
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.559
<v Speaker 2>got possessed, essentially, like he had to bury his character,

896
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 2>bro to get rid of him from like being inside

897
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:50.199
<v Speaker 2>of him. Bro, I could see that these people are

898
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:54.159
<v Speaker 2>opening up themselves too. God knows what.

899
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:56.920
<v Speaker 1>You know? What I you know, you went to David

900
00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Lynch at all the Twin Peaks or stuff like that.

901
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I oh, I think I've gotten up to season

902
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the end of season two, But I won't be honest

903
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:06.840
<v Speaker 2>with you, Bro, I haven't seen the whole thing.

904
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh No, I was just gonna say something to interview.

905
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 2>That I'm right before going into where I can watch

906
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:17.639
<v Speaker 2>the first movie of the Devil Walks with Me or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

907
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna be honest with you Nick and shout

908
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.360
<v Speaker 2>out to Isaac Wisehaw because he goes hard in the pain.

909
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.960
<v Speaker 2>When it comes to Twin Peaks, I don't see the hype.

910
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I can understand that. I get that second season.

911
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 1>The second season kind of sucked too. I thought the

912
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:41.159
<v Speaker 1>second season. Now, the first season is an initiation. If

913
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you can grind through that, Yeah, you're ready.

914
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Second season getting towards the end, getting kind of weird,

915
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.920
<v Speaker 2>right towards the base. He told me that I'm I'm

916
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>right where it's like, this is twin Peaks. I haven't

917
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.360
<v Speaker 2>finished it, but he told me that I'm there, like

918
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm at the end of season two.

919
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Then season three is off the wall.

920
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, craziness, like get out of here, this is this

921
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 2>is wild, right. So I don't understand the hype because

922
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't see it that crazy.

923
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Bro, I don't know. Maybe no, I get you on that.

924
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 1>It's it has to be I guess for you. One

925
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>thing I will say, just to give it some give

926
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.719
<v Speaker 1>the guy some slack. The last I think like three

927
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 1>or four episodes of season two David Lynch didn't even direct,

928
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>so you can give him some slack on that one.

929
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 1>He had already left because he was upset with the

930
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.639
<v Speaker 1>project and then came back. But so something we were

931
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.119
<v Speaker 1>talking about letting things in and you were saying that,

932
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Nicholas Cage's son said whatever. I was watching an interview

933
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>with David Lynch and it was right after like the

934
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 1>whole stuff I think with Weinstein and maybe Epstein came

935
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 1>out and they had asked him, like his opinion on that.

936
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:47.800
<v Speaker 1>He really didn't say much about it, but he was

937
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>just saying that he understands that a lot of that's

938
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>going on. And he's like, you know, if how did

939
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 1>he say it? He said something to the fact that

940
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.440
<v Speaker 1>he provides a safe place. He says, you have to

941
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>understand people are coming here home allowing things to come

942
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:03.280
<v Speaker 1>within them. You need to provide a safe place with it.

943
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, Yo, this dude just said what Like,

944
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 1>this guy's admitting, like, like what do you what are

945
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.559
<v Speaker 1>you taking? Taking your character on and invoking it.

946
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:14.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's the whole that's the whole concept of

947
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 2>twin Peaks possession.

948
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>So I thought it was interesting that he said that. Then,

949
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 1>like what you were saying, allowing things into you. Sometimes

950
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I think these characters, you know, maybe it might be

951
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 1>something behind them, you know, maybe act so well because

952
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 1>they really become that character almost to an extent.

953
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't. I'm gonna be honest with you, bro, I

954
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 2>don't think I could be friends with an actor because

955
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 2>how would you know when they're being genuine.

956
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Or not right, it could be just like a lion liberal,

957
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.400
<v Speaker 1>like just fucking bullshit in your face, smiling your face

958
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.119
<v Speaker 1>and making the think you love you.

959
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a politician, bro, I mean can tell

960
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.920
<v Speaker 2>you one thing to your face and just like scam you.

961
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.119
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think I could be friends with with

962
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Like how would you know if that's the real person?

963
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Like almost like you know, Nick Cage talks about it

964
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.400
<v Speaker 2>preparing himself and and you know, kind of sort of

965
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.400
<v Speaker 2>method acting. And one of his latest movies that he

966
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:12.000
<v Speaker 2>put out, uh, the Daddy Long Legs not Daddy Long

967
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Long Legs, was kind of sort of I don't know

968
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 2>if you've seen that where we gotta check that movie out,

969
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 2>but it was kind of crazy like that where he became.

970
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.800
<v Speaker 2>He even had like special effects, like like a mask

971
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 2>on essentially like this he was he wasn't truly him.

972
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 2>But I went to go see that movie in theaters, bro,

973
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.719
<v Speaker 2>and after the fact, right, I had no idea what

974
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 2>it was about on you was a horror movie, but

975
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I took my wife with me. Right. She was pissed

976
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:44.119
<v Speaker 2>because she doesn't like movies that are about like possession

977
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and like demons and stuff like that she was pissed

978
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:48.880
<v Speaker 2>because it was about that, and I'm like, yeah, I

979
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>promise you, I know it was gonna be like this.

980
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have thought that that was what the movie

981
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.639
<v Speaker 1>was about, bro, because I've seen the comic attractions This

982
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>movie crazy, but I didn't think that.

983
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 2>When I was in the theater, like made my heart,

984
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.960
<v Speaker 2>like I felt weird, right, Like I felt weird. And

985
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching this movie and at the end of the

986
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 2>movie's like hey, I say, and heyo say, and like

987
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:14.360
<v Speaker 2>this craziness, bro, like this crazy ass shit. And then

988
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:17.519
<v Speaker 2>it come to find out there are sounds in the

989
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.039
<v Speaker 2>movie that you hear, right you're talking about, like hearing

990
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 2>your name and shit. Sometimes I'll hear my sometimes I'll

991
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 2>hear sometimes I hear my name. Bro. I don't know

992
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>about you, but like I'll hear my name be called

993
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 2>in the distance or something, and I'll turn around there's

994
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 2>nobody there. I don't know if I'm skit sell Yeah,

995
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I've had it happen to me, so uh. In this movie,

996
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 2>there's sounds, like the soundtrack is crazy and there's like

997
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.480
<v Speaker 2>these weird sounds that you hear. Come to find out

998
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:48.079
<v Speaker 2>after I watched them movie. I did some research on it.

999
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 2>It turns out that the directors that directed the movie

1000
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 2>put backtracking in the movie and they put sounds like

1001
00:49:56.480 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>messages in the movie after like so the sounds that

1002
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.519
<v Speaker 2>we were hearing were actually work. You can take it

1003
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:09.320
<v Speaker 2>play backwards and it was actually a message Oh backward wow. Yeah, backmasking,

1004
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.400
<v Speaker 2>so which Crowley did and all that he was, you know,

1005
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>telling people to think backwards and listen to things backwards,

1006
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.119
<v Speaker 2>the Beatles and all these crazy things. I even heard

1007
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Lil Wayne sometimes that they I don't know, like the

1008
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.519
<v Speaker 2>early days of YouTube, where it was like Lil Wayne,

1009
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:23.840
<v Speaker 2>play it backwards and you can hear a message in

1010
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:25.800
<v Speaker 2>and it was like this whole Sometimes I think that's

1011
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 2>like a paradolia type of thing where you can hear

1012
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 2>things if you think that's what you're hearing, right.

1013
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some of the you know, it's funny, some of

1014
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.519
<v Speaker 1>the special intros that I've made for certain shows, I've

1015
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.320
<v Speaker 1>actually done that to see if anybody would have to

1016
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 1>play it backwards and be like, oh, I heard that

1017
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 1>you put that in there?

1018
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Is that you're like, this is the occult?

1019
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, I don't know if that

1020
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.480
<v Speaker 1>one had that I can't remember when I sent you,

1021
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.039
<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot of the ones there is, there's

1022
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.760
<v Speaker 1>stuff backwards. I'll be totally honest with you. I think

1023
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:55.039
<v Speaker 1>any person will hear it.

1024
00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I put things in my work that I've only had

1025
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:07.519
<v Speaker 2>one person tell me that they caught it, and they hadn't.

1026
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's caught it since then, but it was only one guy.

1027
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how he caught it, but he caught it.

1028
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 2>And I have other things that I haven't talked about

1029
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.960
<v Speaker 2>publicly nice that I can show you after.

1030
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:18.800
<v Speaker 1>That's cool.

1031
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 2>That's part of like my synchronicities of like yo, this

1032
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>is bizarre, right, things that would have never happened if

1033
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like put these stupid things in your work.

1034
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's the kind of a I consider myself

1035
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.320
<v Speaker 2>like a a medic occultist, right, like I'm a medic magician.

1036
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:34.320
<v Speaker 1>If you will.

1037
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Where I use memes, I use art right, and I

1038
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you know, I'll put thirty three pages or eighty

1039
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:44.159
<v Speaker 2>eight pages or thirty three.

1040
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Font like oh yo, I was just gonna say, when

1041
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:49.239
<v Speaker 1>it comes to new numbers, I will do that with

1042
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:54.800
<v Speaker 1>fun spacing where I'm putting stuff on fading of transitions

1043
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 1>with video. Oh yeah, I will use the fuck out

1044
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 1>of thirty three, eighty eight, seventeen. I'll be totally honest,

1045
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 1>three sixteen, I will use those numbers off. I even

1046
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:09.119
<v Speaker 1>set my audio to a full forty eight at eighty whatever,

1047
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 1>just to keep going with the fours and the eighths.

1048
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, so I definitely do that. And again,

1049
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:15.400
<v Speaker 2>if it does something or not, I don't I don't

1050
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 2>know if I do do it. That's funny. Shit, there's

1051
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 2>probably some of my listeners experiencing poultry guys activity and shit,

1052
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and they're just what the hell is going on. So

1053
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that I've had that I haven't

1054
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 2>had happen in a little bit, but I talked about

1055
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:38.239
<v Speaker 2>it on a podcast on Tony Merco's show Professionals, where

1056
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:44.559
<v Speaker 2>for a little bit I was seeing like I don't

1057
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.639
<v Speaker 2>know if I would call them shadow people, but like

1058
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 2>shadows in the corner of my eyes, like the peripheral vision.

1059
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.679
<v Speaker 1>But like I've had that instant.

1060
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Some crazy ones, bro like where I'm like, oh, there's

1061
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.880
<v Speaker 2>somebody pulling up on me right now, like let me

1062
00:52:58.920 --> 00:52:59.880
<v Speaker 2>turn No.

1063
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:06.400
<v Speaker 1>There was something like actually there approach that's like movie.

1064
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like it was like it was coming, you know,

1065
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 2>up on me. So and I felt that I've experienced

1066
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:13.079
<v Speaker 2>that a few times. When I said that on that show,

1067
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:16.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people reached down. They're like, yo, I'm

1068
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:18.559
<v Speaker 2>experiencing the same thing. But again, at the same time,

1069
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's you know these I don't

1070
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 2>know if you've ever seen the human resonance post that

1071
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.119
<v Speaker 2>people are like, oh, there's a spike, and then you

1072
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 2>see all the comments, Yeah, I'm feeling it in my

1073
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 2>nipples or I can feel hot balls. Yeah, my balls

1074
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.599
<v Speaker 2>are vib Like everyone's like commenting that they're feeling the

1075
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:42.000
<v Speaker 2>same thing, Like are you truly feeling something or are

1076
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.280
<v Speaker 2>you just feeling something because you saw the you know

1077
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.039
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, Like you can influence people like that.

1078
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.119
<v Speaker 2>And again, dude, for sure, I have never had anything

1079
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.000
<v Speaker 2>like paranormal that I know of happened to me like substantial,

1080
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:59.280
<v Speaker 2>like crazy, like I've seen a UFO, right, Like I've

1081
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 2>seen one cool.

1082
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 1>The only reason what I thought I've actually seen I

1083
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 1>saw something in the sky moving like it shouldn't be.

1084
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that.

1085
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:13.280
<v Speaker 2>The only reason I know that it was legit because

1086
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.039
<v Speaker 2>mind I told I told you, my wife doesn't believe

1087
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 2>in this ship.

1088
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.159
<v Speaker 1>He was there and she sawt oh that's right. Yeah,

1089
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.440
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, if you're kind of religious made even not

1090
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:22.400
<v Speaker 1>believe in UFOs.

1091
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I forgot about it, so I wasn't even I know that,

1092
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I saw. So therefore to the

1093
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:32.880
<v Speaker 2>UFO it was fine and I was to me so

1094
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:34.559
<v Speaker 2>and my son saw it too. My son was actually

1095
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:38.000
<v Speaker 2>one that saw it first, so he was like five

1096
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 2>at the time. So he looks up, He's like, Daddy,

1097
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.079
<v Speaker 2>was that And I'm like, what the hell is that?

1098
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:43.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, what the hell is even that? You know

1099
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>you've seen that? That that meme?

1100
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

1101
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.519
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what the And we looked up

1102
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and it was completely silent, like this orange orb zipped

1103
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 2>across the sky bro just film. My wife was there.

1104
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:57.519
<v Speaker 2>We were in the backyard, you know what I'm saying.

1105
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.320
<v Speaker 2>So this was house.

1106
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:01.480
<v Speaker 1>You didn't have to like you want to drive and

1107
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:02.360
<v Speaker 1>nothing had to stop.

1108
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was alone, and I told you that story.

1109
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.119
<v Speaker 2>You'd be like, this guy's full of shit, right, like

1110
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 2>maybe this guy you know, maybe not. But the fact

1111
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 2>that I was there and I have I have a

1112
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>video of my son directly after. I didn't take a

1113
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 2>video of it because it was I was going by

1114
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.280
<v Speaker 2>too fast, But I took a video of my son

1115
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.119
<v Speaker 2>directly after and like asked him, like, what did you see?

1116
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:23.559
<v Speaker 2>But then he got crazy. He's like, oh yeah, and the.

1117
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Little alien man came down on the ground.

1118
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Like all right, bro, all right, chill, let me turn

1119
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:31.639
<v Speaker 2>this off because he just sucked up. He's a five

1120
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 2>year old boy. Bro, So I'm like, Yo're gonna be crazy.

1121
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Get a microphone, dude.

1122
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, aliens came down and they started walking

1123
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Speaker 2>around the yard. I'm like, what the fuck, dude, come on, man,

1124
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.800
<v Speaker 2>is awesome this whole my son.

1125
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So that's the only thing I've had.

1126
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.480
<v Speaker 2>And then obviously like the crazy synchronicities, you know, as

1127
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:57.480
<v Speaker 2>far as messing with this sort of stuff, But it

1128
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.760
<v Speaker 2>gets to a point where you.

1129
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Know, I have enjoin any lodges or anything like that.

1130
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that's all that's super gay, right, or making

1131
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the jump to actually join an organization. But for some people,

1132
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.480
<v Speaker 2>they can't fight the itch, bro and they read about

1133
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>these sort of things and they they they want to

1134
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.039
<v Speaker 2>take the leap, and then they're in it. And and

1135
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 2>then once you join an organization, especially in this community.

1136
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.800
<v Speaker 2>You're tainted, bro, you got that's a scarlet letter for life,

1137
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:26.519
<v Speaker 2>like oh you were a free Mason Brown.

1138
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I will have to say that is something which I'm surprised.

1139
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's been a few people, but yeah, maybe

1140
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 1>two or three. I've never really dealt with too much

1141
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Speaker 1>bullshit because of the OTO, tell you the truth. I

1142
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:41.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know why I actually thought I would deal with

1143
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 1>more of that than.

1144
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 2>I have, like more backlash yes about it.

1145
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I think maybe because it's just like I don't

1146
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:49.239
<v Speaker 1>even know what the he's saying, so I can't even

1147
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:50.800
<v Speaker 1>get the guy who says wrong. It's a dick.

1148
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:56.039
<v Speaker 2>So what's the whole what's the whole point of the OTO?

1149
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Like what's the extreamic? Right? Yeah?

1150
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, two, I mean the whole thing isn't you know,

1151
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:07.199
<v Speaker 1>come to have a magical experience, know your will and

1152
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.719
<v Speaker 1>to do it the whole point of the OTO though,

1153
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know from my w.

1154
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.760
<v Speaker 2>You're in there because like the occult is all about

1155
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:19.559
<v Speaker 2>getting right, going, getting as close to the Godhead as possible.

1156
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say it's very Kabbala based to the OTO.

1157
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, my experience there they do the Gnostic Mass.

1158
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:29.920
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of like their thing of church that's supposed

1159
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.119
<v Speaker 1>to be showing like you know, again the man crossing

1160
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.760
<v Speaker 1>the abyss, so having a magical experience, you know, uh,

1161
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 1>there they do that. They used to do classes sometimes,

1162
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:41.480
<v Speaker 1>they would do history classes on all occultists. They would

1163
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.719
<v Speaker 1>do classes on basic shit like you know, how to

1164
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 1>make a magic candle or some shit like that, or

1165
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:51.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, talispans or sigils. But for the most part,

1166
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean I stayed on. I don't know why I

1167
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 1>even stayed as long as I did. I think at

1168
00:57:56.159 --> 00:58:00.480
<v Speaker 1>one point I actually thought like, oh, uh, silly as

1169
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:02.480
<v Speaker 1>it sounds, I guess it's like it is almost like

1170
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.599
<v Speaker 1>a badge, you know what I'm saying to an extent, Like,

1171
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess you're like, you feel cool, you feel a

1172
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>part of something, so you're gonna keep going, even though

1173
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I'd have felt like I fit in. But I guess

1174
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:13.519
<v Speaker 1>like my overall experience, I mean, you know, I went

1175
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 1>because I wanted to learn about different ideas of magic,

1176
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>meeting other people that were practicing that I could bounce

1177
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.360
<v Speaker 1>ideas off of. But in my opinion, eventually, you know, again,

1178
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why I left is because once

1179
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I started having magical experiences, my opinion of that place

1180
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:35.360
<v Speaker 1>changed greatly. It seems I don't know if it's the organization,

1181
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:39.360
<v Speaker 1>if it's the people. Something goes wrong somewhere, and it

1182
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>seems like they focus more on the handcuffs that are

1183
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 1>actually stopping you from having a magical experience than actually

1184
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.559
<v Speaker 1>going in the right direction. There was things like, you know,

1185
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>you talk about the homarculous in there, not saying that

1186
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the book is completely right. There are some things that

1187
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I know for a fact is right because I have

1188
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.800
<v Speaker 1>done some of the initiation. But in the Secret Rights

1189
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:03.719
<v Speaker 1>of the Oto, one of the rituals they do talk

1190
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:08.480
<v Speaker 1>about the home oculous. In my opinion, I think that

1191
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:11.719
<v Speaker 1>place to an extent, if you stick around long enough,

1192
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you're possibly a guinea pig fan Kulta experiments.

1193
00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Well you'll be well providing it well.

1194
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.039
<v Speaker 2>This plays directly into my latest research a little bit,

1195
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:32.639
<v Speaker 2>where i've you know, this ancient espionage essentially and Crawley

1196
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:36.880
<v Speaker 2>being a secret agent allegedly being able to establish lodges

1197
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 2>in other countries is just another way of infiltrating the

1198
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.679
<v Speaker 2>government without actually having to make it known. It's like, oh,

1199
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 2>what are they doing freedom of religion, freedom of expression

1200
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.039
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Here is a bunch of a bunch of

1201
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 2>bros hanging out. Meanwhile they're collecting information while they're there,

1202
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's all occulted in the occult, Like.

1203
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it is definitely information gathering too.

1204
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Speaker 2>And who always who who always joins these places? Like

1205
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 2>usually I think it's older rich dudes who are bored

1206
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:07.000
<v Speaker 2>as fuck who want to hang out, you.

1207
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Know, want And you know, when I started thinking something

1208
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 1>was weird after I took this second degree initiation, you're

1209
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.360
<v Speaker 1>available to do certain things, and one of them was

1210
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 1>like to be like this liaison with you. I'm like, fuck,

1211
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.840
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is this jerkhost name? I forgot the

1212
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 1>beta whatever some dude who's like it that the oho

1213
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:30.000
<v Speaker 1>like top of the oto and uh, it's like a

1214
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.239
<v Speaker 1>volunteer thing that you can do and it looks good.

1215
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:34.199
<v Speaker 1>And I had like thought about doing it because I

1216
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 1>was like, it seems like easy. I just got to

1217
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:37.639
<v Speaker 1>go on Skype and like talk to the guy for

1218
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:39.800
<v Speaker 1>like an hour and I thought it was once a month.

1219
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:41.800
<v Speaker 1>But it's still weird. I still thought it was weird.

1220
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:44.000
<v Speaker 1>The guy's gonna talk to you and ask you, like,

1221
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.800
<v Speaker 1>how's the lodge doing? And then I found out it

1222
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:48.280
<v Speaker 1>was every week, and I was like, what the fuck

1223
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.159
<v Speaker 1>does this dude need to ask me shit like that

1224
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 1>for every week? I'm like, what are you looking for?

1225
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:58.039
<v Speaker 1>My man? Honestly, what's gonna change from one week to

1226
01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:59.639
<v Speaker 1>the next. Some bitch I didn't want to see with

1227
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:02.559
<v Speaker 1>a tit did the Gnostic Mass. We had some wine,

1228
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:04.159
<v Speaker 1>we ate some cake, a light, and we went the

1229
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:06.880
<v Speaker 1>fuck home. What do you need? What are you looking for?

1230
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.920
<v Speaker 1>You're looking for something. Now you're gathering information. If you

1231
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:12.199
<v Speaker 1>need to talk to somebody from that fucking lodge every week,

1232
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 1>what's going on here? You know? And then even after

1233
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:19.679
<v Speaker 1>the second degree initiation, after you do that, they will

1234
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.239
<v Speaker 1>even go into and tell you certain things that will

1235
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 1>actually be needed to be done for you to keep

1236
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:28.400
<v Speaker 1>going up. And at one point you're handing over your

1237
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.719
<v Speaker 1>shit to them. And if you're fucking in a relationship,

1238
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:32.800
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be with somebody in there. It turns

1239
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:35.679
<v Speaker 1>into a cult. Something the fuck is wrong with that place.

1240
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:39.880
<v Speaker 1>To either get to this seventh or eighth degree, you

1241
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:43.599
<v Speaker 1>are handing your shit over to them. Now there's another

1242
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:47.000
<v Speaker 1>guy that I've Paul, you know, Paul Ravelli. I think

1243
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:49.039
<v Speaker 1>he says the ninth and tenth though, because now this

1244
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:53.159
<v Speaker 1>gets confusing. Yeah yeah, yeah. He had told me that

1245
01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:55.639
<v Speaker 1>once you get up to another higher degree, then everybody

1246
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:58.679
<v Speaker 1>at that degree actually gets to split what the wealth

1247
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:00.519
<v Speaker 1>of the oto is. So now I don't know what

1248
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the fuck's going on. So to me, it just seems

1249
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:08.760
<v Speaker 1>very shady, my man, and I again, there's just things

1250
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:13.760
<v Speaker 1>that I've seen people do for initiations, just at that

1251
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:16.320
<v Speaker 1>point they got your thumb on you in order to

1252
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 1>keep going after the fifth, to go from the fifth on,

1253
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 1>they have to even ask you. You can't even petition anymore.

1254
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:27.880
<v Speaker 2>So, because this is bro, this is some serious stuff

1255
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:31.519
<v Speaker 2>we'll be talking about. Because when I heard that, I

1256
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.039
<v Speaker 2>knew for a fact, I'm not staying. You just told

1257
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:36.000
<v Speaker 2>me I have to give you my shit fuck off,

1258
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not staying. Are they considered a religious organization?

1259
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Yes they are. They have all that tax breaks, dude, really, yes,

1260
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:46.760
<v Speaker 1>they have all that.

1261
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 2>It sounds a lot like scientology, dude, just a different name.

1262
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.599
<v Speaker 1>You fucking take a look at lamb. You already got

1263
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.480
<v Speaker 1>a fucking alien. Look at the motherfucker. You got scientology

1264
01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:01.199
<v Speaker 1>and momentism in this somehow. Probably Yeah, so yo, and

1265
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:07.199
<v Speaker 1>Crawley was obsessed. He was very impressed by Joseph Smith. Yes,

1266
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I've heard I saw that recently.

1267
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:15.239
<v Speaker 2>So, but what you mentioned about right having to report

1268
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.440
<v Speaker 2>to this guy weekly not months, That's what I was.

1269
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Like, Yo, I don't want to talk to this dude.

1270
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 1>What's a week. I didn't really want to do it anyway.

1271
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:23.280
<v Speaker 1>It was just like, you know what, if you do

1272
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:25.079
<v Speaker 1>this sometimes I'll get it off your case because like

1273
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the longear there, the height you go up, they want

1274
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:29.840
<v Speaker 1>you so I get involved in more shit. And I

1275
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:31.719
<v Speaker 1>was like, I really not. I really don't want to

1276
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:33.079
<v Speaker 1>have to go to the lodge to do that. So

1277
01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess I could do a skype cole once a

1278
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:38.000
<v Speaker 1>month and I was like, once a week? The fuck no.

1279
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So he's definitely looking for something. And you know

1280
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.039
<v Speaker 2>we mentioned earlier people with schizophrenia, you know, people with

1281
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:47.360
<v Speaker 2>these weird aspects to themselves where you know, what if

1282
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:49.599
<v Speaker 2>they're looking for the perfect Canada, how you're saying to

1283
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.960
<v Speaker 2>induce in this mic ultra conditioning of like, Yo, this

1284
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.880
<v Speaker 2>nick guy looks a little bit more susceptible than this

1285
01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.400
<v Speaker 2>other guy. Right, let's try and groom him or whatever

1286
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:01.880
<v Speaker 2>to try and get them deeper and be our you know,

1287
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.440
<v Speaker 2>our watchdog there, and maybe they'll start asking you things

1288
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:06.199
<v Speaker 2>about people who were there, like, hey.

1289
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.159
<v Speaker 1>How does so and so react when these things happen?

1290
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.360
<v Speaker 1>So and you know, it's funny. The two people that

1291
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.559
<v Speaker 1>I personally knew that had that position, one was gay

1292
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and in Antifa, and the other one was three hundred

1293
01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:19.440
<v Speaker 1>pounds and she let dudes run trains on her at

1294
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the Notocons every other year. So even the people that

1295
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I know that had that position obviously are fucked up.

1296
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.719
<v Speaker 1>And I'm even wondering if that's why. No, but you

1297
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:32.800
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, those people would be easy to

1298
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:36.599
<v Speaker 1>fucking manipulate. I hate to say it. Yeah, yeah, they're

1299
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 1>already prone to being told to think certain fucking crazy things.

1300
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:40.480
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm.

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01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Saying about New York and how there are you know,

1302
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the people who live there like they're zombies. They're in

1303
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:50.119
<v Speaker 2>this sort of uh, almost like a Stockholm syndrome sort

1304
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:53.000
<v Speaker 2>of thing, where like they what is so special about

1305
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.400
<v Speaker 2>being in New York. It's like it's a shithole. Right,

1306
01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:59.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's all it is left. But maybe it's got

1307
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:02.559
<v Speaker 2>something to do with the architecture. Maybe it's got something

1308
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:04.679
<v Speaker 2>to do with the delay lines, the way the city is. That.

1309
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm serious, Bro, I think about it, like, maybe it's

1310
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:10.480
<v Speaker 2>got something to do with that, because some people are

1311
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.800
<v Speaker 2>drawn to these places. Like everyone comes to Florida to

1312
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:17.000
<v Speaker 2>died That's what everyone comes to Florida for.

1313
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:20.039
<v Speaker 1>You know what Florida has the most of too, I

1314
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.159
<v Speaker 1>think in the United States amount of underground water running.

1315
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, awquafers everywhere, Broy, I wonder if I don't know, well,

1316
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Florida's the Garden of Eden, Bro, I mean, that's a

1317
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.360
<v Speaker 2>whole other thing. But the you know, it's something about

1318
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 2>being drawn to these forces. So but the fact that

1319
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you're telling me this of you know, it just makes

1320
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:44.280
<v Speaker 2>me think of like Freemasons and all these other organizations

1321
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.239
<v Speaker 2>that are the Freemasons also a religious organization, Like how

1322
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:47.880
<v Speaker 2>does that work?

1323
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Fleam is actually considered religion? Yeah, dude, Yo, they understand

1324
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.480
<v Speaker 1>how to make money, man.

1325
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.199
<v Speaker 2>That was the whole thing. Now, Ron Hubbard too, right,

1326
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you make a religion, you're you're gonna

1327
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:05.800
<v Speaker 2>be rich or something along those lines. That's what he said.

1328
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Something other. But again, these religions running intelligence operations, like

1329
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:14.559
<v Speaker 2>that's one hundred percent of intelligence operation.

1330
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:16.000
<v Speaker 1>You know what you can do? You ever hear a

1331
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:19.199
<v Speaker 1>guide Star. It's a website. You go on there and

1332
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:21.079
<v Speaker 1>you type in like certain like you can type in

1333
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Freemason lodgers, maybe certain areas of Ordo, Temple Oriente, and

1334
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:27.400
<v Speaker 1>it's actually a tax site, and you'll see how much

1335
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:31.199
<v Speaker 1>money these motherfuckers a claiming dude, Loyal Order of the

1336
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Moose people are like, who the fuck is that? Billions

1337
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:42.159
<v Speaker 1>of dollars? My man? Hundreds hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah,

1338
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.159
<v Speaker 1>when we covered them, we had already covered the Gesters,

1339
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:47.519
<v Speaker 1>the Shriners in some other order, and like they all

1340
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.559
<v Speaker 1>look broke. And when we cover the Loyal Order of

1341
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.079
<v Speaker 1>the Moose, like, yo, these guys got hundreds and hundreds

1342
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.400
<v Speaker 1>and hundreds of millions of dollars. Where the fuck is

1343
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.639
<v Speaker 1>that coming from? Where that hell's the Loyal Order of

1344
01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:02.079
<v Speaker 1>the I'm saying they got a half half a billion.

1345
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:05.039
<v Speaker 1>But the Freemasons, the Gestures of the Shrine, Shriners, who

1346
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:07.719
<v Speaker 1>was considered to be the rich ones, they ain't got

1347
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Jack shit. But all of a sudden, these guys do.

1348
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:11.199
<v Speaker 1>There's fucking money being played around.

1349
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I told you there's a bunch of them here in Florida.

1350
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Bro, look at that stuff. You can see how much

1351
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:16.119
<v Speaker 1>money they have.

1352
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Man, there's three hour there's three already here in Orlando,

1353
01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 2>right off the bat boom. This eighteen eighty eight baby

1354
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:33.199
<v Speaker 2>the Moose Loyal Order of Moose Fraternity. And you know

1355
01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:34.519
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting because.

1356
01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Yo, Moose Heart, Illinois. They own that town. Moose Heart, Yo,

1357
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:48.760
<v Speaker 1>it's theirs. WHOA, Yeah, it's crazy, dude.

1358
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:53.920
<v Speaker 2>So so residential childcare facility.

1359
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.280
<v Speaker 1>It's so weird, bro, I think I believe it in that.

1360
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:01.079
<v Speaker 1>I think, uh, whatever that thing that Manson was in

1361
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:02.599
<v Speaker 1>the Boys and Girls town or whatever, I think that

1362
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:04.239
<v Speaker 1>might be one of those there or something like that

1363
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:04.920
<v Speaker 1>in there too.

1364
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:10.480
<v Speaker 2>The Child's city. What that's bizarre.

1365
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Four.

1366
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:15.039
<v Speaker 2>You look at when you look at Freemasons and like

1367
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.319
<v Speaker 2>the Shriners, and like how they build children's hospitals. They're

1368
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:23.000
<v Speaker 2>in circuses like they're broh, that's so weird, man.

1369
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Fun fact about the Shriners. Their number one major, the

1370
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:28.640
<v Speaker 1>number one surgery that they do, or at least it

1371
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:31.880
<v Speaker 1>was a few years ago is removing spina biffedia sacks

1372
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 1>off of kids backs, babies backs. And that's the number

1373
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:40.800
<v Speaker 1>one ingredient in Este Lord's night. Erom is fermented spina biffdia.

1374
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:44.439
<v Speaker 1>That shit kitson comes off of babies. This.

1375
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:49.800
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety four, mm hm, four moose Hart employees

1376
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:54.760
<v Speaker 2>were convicted of sexually abusing children. Two years later, a

1377
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:59.319
<v Speaker 2>moose Hart employee was convicted of possession of CP Wow.

1378
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude's international. Yeah they got that's old muselage stuff, dude,

1379
01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:08.680
<v Speaker 1>yo yo, they get mouseladge money, bro.

1380
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:13.319
<v Speaker 2>So so okay, all right, so we have you know,

1381
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk with the whole Doge and all this other stuff, right,

1382
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:19.920
<v Speaker 2>which which is interesting because dog is is God backwards,

1383
01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:23.399
<v Speaker 2>right Doge, and he's running like this whole operation where

1384
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:26.760
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of exposing you know, everyone getting a kickback

1385
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.199
<v Speaker 2>from like these different organizations and money. And this to me, Bro,

1386
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:32.800
<v Speaker 2>all it sounds like is that is like a money

1387
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:39.119
<v Speaker 2>laundering operation. But again Nigga doesn't answer the question, is

1388
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:41.159
<v Speaker 2>the occult faking gay?

1389
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Can I summon?

1390
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Can I join the typhony O t O and summon

1391
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Cuthulhu to come and aid me in my real world affairs.

1392
01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:57.079
<v Speaker 1>No, not really. I think that aspect of it is

1393
01:09:57.079 --> 01:09:58.000
<v Speaker 1>mostly faking gay.

1394
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.239
<v Speaker 2>So no, Cuthu, I can't summon him and good luck.

1395
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Just put it down. What do you do? Let me

1396
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:08.399
<v Speaker 1>know how you did it, please.

1397
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But but chaos magic is sort of you can

1398
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:16.880
<v Speaker 2>assign things for a second, right, use it for your operation,

1399
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and then ditch it after a second, Like would that

1400
01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:22.800
<v Speaker 2>be possible where I can kind of assign, you know,

1401
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Cuthul who as a placeholder for let's say Venus or

1402
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Saturn or something, and then invoke that and kind of

1403
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, take on that persona and then just

1404
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:33.479
<v Speaker 2>let it go after the factor.

1405
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:36.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's more like an eggregorous of

1406
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:37.600
<v Speaker 1>toy you're trying to like explain.

1407
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe no, no, no, like, uh, you know, I've heard.

1408
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I've come to understand and correct me if I'm wrong.

1409
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.720
<v Speaker 2>I've come to understand that chaos magic is like the

1410
01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:48.840
<v Speaker 2>only thing you need is just will and belief, like

1411
01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.159
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, yeah, fuck the rest. You don't need a ceremony,

1412
01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:54.479
<v Speaker 2>you don't need like the garb or nothing that. No, no,

1413
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:57.720
<v Speaker 2>it's just like do it and be done with it.

1414
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Do your ritual with Super Mario bros. If you want

1415
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:02.239
<v Speaker 2>to and then.

1416
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh I hear, Okay, I get what you get it.

1417
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:07.520
<v Speaker 1>It's just an association for something. Yes, yes, yeah, I

1418
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:08.199
<v Speaker 1>believe that. Yeah.

1419
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:12.600
<v Speaker 2>So again, the more I look at it, I think

1420
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:16.880
<v Speaker 2>that the true occult knowledge, the true dangerous knowledge, is

1421
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the whole blackmail operation.

1422
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Bro.

1423
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:23.239
<v Speaker 2>The fact that you're reporting to that guy once a month, No.

1424
01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Once a week. I thought it was once a month,

1425
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Well it was once a week. I was like, that's

1426
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:30.359
<v Speaker 1>even worse. Once a week. It's trying to get drwn people. Bro,

1427
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I was,

1428
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:36.039
<v Speaker 1>just like, what the fuck that is? Weird? Yeah, that's

1429
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that's yo. And that other person I knew that I said,

1430
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:40.199
<v Speaker 1>was even doing that sexual shit.

1431
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Yo.

1432
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:42.760
<v Speaker 1>They didn't even know how to do any rituals and

1433
01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:44.680
<v Speaker 1>they were already a third degree. I was like, how

1434
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:46.439
<v Speaker 1>the fuck do you even get anyway when you don't

1435
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:49.479
<v Speaker 1>even know how to do a ritual? Quite obviously I

1436
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:52.000
<v Speaker 1>found out and noticon she lays on a back account.

1437
01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:57.399
<v Speaker 2>Well that's the thing, dude. Like even in right, my

1438
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:01.079
<v Speaker 2>son is in karate, know that the dojo that he

1439
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:05.359
<v Speaker 2>goes to, some kids do get held back and then

1440
01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:06.520
<v Speaker 2>they don't pass their test day.

1441
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:06.840
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1442
01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:10.079
<v Speaker 2>But essentially, and I'm sure it's the same in these organizations.

1443
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:13.640
<v Speaker 2>You pay a fee and you do your initiation.

1444
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's about one hundred and fifty bucks. It's

1445
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.960
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah, that's how much. I

1446
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:22.840
<v Speaker 1>think that was about the average from the ones that

1447
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.479
<v Speaker 1>I did. Yeah, and you really, I think one time

1448
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.439
<v Speaker 1>I got a I Gotta rope in a brass coin,

1449
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the second time I gotta I've got triangle patch. It

1450
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:36.279
<v Speaker 1>really wasn't worth one hundred and fifty bucks. You do

1451
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:39.520
<v Speaker 1>get to bring some things home though, Yeah, no, I

1452
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:42.520
<v Speaker 1>mean definitely. But like how you're saying, maybe getting together

1453
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.640
<v Speaker 1>with people who are of the same mindset and all

1454
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that stuff, but then you just start to realize, like, man,

1455
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:51.039
<v Speaker 1>these people are fucking retards, you know, and they don't

1456
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:52.039
<v Speaker 1>really actually know anything.

1457
01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:53.319
<v Speaker 2>They're just LARPing, which is.

1458
01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes, there was a lot of that. There was

1459
01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:56.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that. A lot of people there basically

1460
01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:58.880
<v Speaker 1>just to worship Crowley. They think he's cool and well

1461
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a certain demo graphic, right.

1462
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that those people who were there were cause

1463
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:09.880
<v Speaker 2>playing at the comic Con playing dungeons and dragons. Come on, dude,

1464
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:12.600
<v Speaker 2>they invited to go play dungeons and dragons at them

1465
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.920
<v Speaker 2>one night that I was like, this is too much.

1466
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not into this shit. So it's that sort of demographic.

1467
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:21.840
<v Speaker 2>But who was it that I was reading about. I

1468
01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:26.880
<v Speaker 2>was reading about somebody that uh, Joseph Leshuski, I think

1469
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:29.600
<v Speaker 2>is Levuski. I don't know how to say his last name,

1470
01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.760
<v Speaker 2>but he was allegedly the guy he worked with Israel

1471
01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:37.199
<v Speaker 2>re Gardi, and he was allegedly a guy who had

1472
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:43.439
<v Speaker 2>he was known for allegedly right invoking a demon to

1473
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:47.680
<v Speaker 2>like actual manifestation, like you know, like actual you know,

1474
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:49.399
<v Speaker 2>in front of him. Of course, all of these guys

1475
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:51.319
<v Speaker 2>don't take pictures of these things. He also said he

1476
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:54.359
<v Speaker 2>created a homunculus in the eighties too, and then he

1477
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:55.760
<v Speaker 2>said when he tried to take a picture of it,

1478
01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:57.760
<v Speaker 2>couldn't focus, so he didn't get a picture of it.

1479
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:02.199
<v Speaker 2>But you know, he wrote all the instructions down, and

1480
01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:04.199
<v Speaker 2>you know he was talking to Regardi about it and

1481
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Freder Albertus and all these other guys you know in

1482
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.119
<v Speaker 2>the eighties out in Utah, right, which is weird, right,

1483
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Utah and the Mormons out there. But this guy, uh

1484
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:18.399
<v Speaker 2>he wrote about somebody who talked about I think somebody

1485
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:20.640
<v Speaker 2>who wrote his his forward or something to the book

1486
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:25.439
<v Speaker 2>that was like, man, I regret looking into the occult.

1487
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I should have focused on more in my life, on

1488
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:31.279
<v Speaker 2>making money instead of looking into this shit because it

1489
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:33.960
<v Speaker 2>leads to nothing and you're just left with nothing at

1490
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:35.159
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day. And like how you were saying,

1491
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:37.239
<v Speaker 2>like you can go down the rabbit hole and you

1492
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:39.359
<v Speaker 2>just come out the other side the same. Yeah.

1493
01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:42.000
<v Speaker 1>No, I do think there was a lot with that

1494
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.079
<v Speaker 1>with the ocult too.

1495
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's probably done on purpose because the scheme is

1496
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:49.479
<v Speaker 2>to start a lodge and just take other people's shit.

1497
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:52.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a cult. Well what you mean. Look at the

1498
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:56.279
<v Speaker 1>guy who created Wicca. He was actually a disciple, well

1499
01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:59.680
<v Speaker 1>right disciple. He studied underneath Crowley and Croly even gave

1500
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.119
<v Speaker 1>him mission to open up an Oto lodge and he said, yeah,

1501
01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:04.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'll go start Wicka Blake because it made

1502
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:06.039
<v Speaker 1>more money than the lodge would have.

1503
01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah, I.

1504
01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Think all that was just to make money. I mean

1505
01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:13.319
<v Speaker 1>even even though I'll be telling you, even the Oto

1506
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:18.960
<v Speaker 1>they consider Wicka like Thelema light Like, how cute the

1507
01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:24.239
<v Speaker 1>craft that was? Let's see here wiccka just in twentieth

1508
01:15:24.279 --> 01:15:30.760
<v Speaker 1>century hermetic motifs or theological and virtual purposes. Right, General

1509
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Gardner he had studied.

1510
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:37.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Gardner says here Doreen Vntin joined Gardner in nineteen fifties. Yeah,

1511
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Joe Gardner a retired British civil servant. Huh, he said.

1512
01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:43.920
<v Speaker 2>This guy worked with Crowley.

1513
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Crowley had given him permission to open up a lodge.

1514
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Guy looks like he had a cock ring one hundred

1515
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:54.199
<v Speaker 2>percent dude like like on his actual like a Prince

1516
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Albert whatever they call it.

1517
01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:56.119
<v Speaker 1>This guy.

1518
01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Brook at this guy's face, Yo, he's bugged out looking. Yes,

1519
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:02.159
<v Speaker 2>guy looks like a fucking he did. This guy was

1520
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:04.199
<v Speaker 2>part of the Royal Order of the Moose.

1521
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Where'd you go? Where do you go? Where do you go? There?

1522
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.920
<v Speaker 1>He is? We get this guy, bro, yo, and that

1523
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:15.760
<v Speaker 1>guy I think I think he would actually like do

1524
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:19.239
<v Speaker 1>his stuff like naked out in the woods too. Oh.

1525
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:23.479
<v Speaker 2>Bro, there's a bunch of weirdos. Man like, dude, I'm

1526
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:26.439
<v Speaker 2>kind of shook with this Moose Heart thing. Moose Heart,

1527
01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Illinois and then the Home for Children. Bro, that's so

1528
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:35.920
<v Speaker 2>weird man. Look at this the Children's Museum zoo Yoh.

1529
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:37.800
<v Speaker 1>He did like a three part series on them. It

1530
01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:41.279
<v Speaker 1>was fucking weird. Lose Heart. Yeah, we were like, yo.

1531
01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:44.239
<v Speaker 2>What, Yeah, that's crazy, bro.

1532
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:46.359
<v Speaker 1>You know who was associated with that. That's how we

1533
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:51.760
<v Speaker 1>even got interested in a John Wayne Gacy into Wika

1534
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:54.039
<v Speaker 1>No Moose Heart he was, he was he was in

1535
01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:58.199
<v Speaker 1>the Moose Lodge really yeah, yeah, he's even He's even

1536
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.359
<v Speaker 1>taking pictures in a parade with Carter's wife. He was

1537
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:02.560
<v Speaker 1>also very political too.

1538
01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:05.359
<v Speaker 2>The serial killer.

1539
01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's that's what got us into even looking

1540
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:09.880
<v Speaker 1>into moossart Is because we found out he was involved

1541
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:10.039
<v Speaker 1>in it.

1542
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:12.640
<v Speaker 2>We're like, oh, we got to look into that because

1543
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:14.319
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I think that. I think that serial

1544
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.239
<v Speaker 2>killers are part of this whole thing too, where they're

1545
01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:20.439
<v Speaker 2>programmed and and they turned a blind eye to see

1546
01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:23.720
<v Speaker 2>how it evolved. It's anuus, bro, because like, you can

1547
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:27.079
<v Speaker 2>either use the homunculus to acquire godlike powers.

1548
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Or you can release it into the wild. I'll let

1549
01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:30.920
<v Speaker 1>it do its thing, that's right.

1550
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I think that's how Dahmer got away with

1551
01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:36.279
<v Speaker 2>so many things for so long, and a lot of

1552
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:40.560
<v Speaker 2>these guys you're telling me he was political talking to

1553
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:47.800
<v Speaker 2>presidents and ship Yeah h what.

1554
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:53.560
<v Speaker 1>John Way, that's the yo. He even like he was

1555
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:55.840
<v Speaker 1>involved with the j c S when he was in prison,

1556
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:57.239
<v Speaker 1>and that's like some other type of thing.

1557
01:17:57.520 --> 01:17:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's kind of like the clown guy or

1558
01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:00.760
<v Speaker 2>he would dress up as a crown yeah.

1559
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:02.600
<v Speaker 1>With the balloons. That says thirty three flavors on it.

1560
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah yeah yo. He he had a kid who

1561
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:13.279
<v Speaker 1>worked for him, Robert Pasky, I think it was his name.

1562
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:18.079
<v Speaker 1>And that guy connects to Norman, This guy John John

1563
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Norman I think who was down in Texas that was

1564
01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:24.960
<v Speaker 1>running a child sex ring. It was it was so

1565
01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.439
<v Speaker 1>crazy that like he actually had like don't you know

1566
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:29.600
<v Speaker 1>those old recipe draws you know your parents or your

1567
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:31.279
<v Speaker 1>grandmother would have with all those cards in him for

1568
01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:34.319
<v Speaker 1>the little recipes. They actually had people and names and

1569
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:37.119
<v Speaker 1>stuff that like were you know, there were clients and

1570
01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the cops when they even busted him. You can even

1571
01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:41.439
<v Speaker 1>listen to cops say there was people's names in there

1572
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:43.239
<v Speaker 1>that if we even came out and mentioned him, people

1573
01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:44.079
<v Speaker 1>would be shocked.

1574
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Bro it says here John Wayne Gacy, American serial killer

1575
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:52.439
<v Speaker 2>and sex offender who raped torture or murdered at least

1576
01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:57.199
<v Speaker 2>thirty three young men and boys. Yep, that's thirty three, bro.

1577
01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:01.720
<v Speaker 2>He became known as the Killer Clown due to his

1578
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:04.239
<v Speaker 2>public performances as a clown prior to the discovery of

1579
01:19:04.279 --> 01:19:12.279
<v Speaker 2>his crimes. Yeah, dude, Eh, that's crazy man. The fact,

1580
01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:15.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm sure you've seen like the flm is

1581
01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:20.960
<v Speaker 2>as Clowns, a series that that guy Paul has. But

1582
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:23.319
<v Speaker 2>when you start looking into this again, I think that

1583
01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:26.199
<v Speaker 2>the actual co knowledge is that blackmail, right, Like the

1584
01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:31.319
<v Speaker 2>you're saying this guy was it from this case that

1585
01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:33.399
<v Speaker 2>they found the recipe books with people's names in.

1586
01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:36.520
<v Speaker 1>It that guy had gotten busted. I think it was

1587
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:39.399
<v Speaker 1>just like there were two separate, you know, scenarios, and

1588
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I think they ended up realizing because of Robert Pasky

1589
01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:44.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe a few other things, that they actually connected and

1590
01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:46.960
<v Speaker 1>they might have actually known each other. It's a believe

1591
01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:48.319
<v Speaker 1>it that it's something that came out a few years

1592
01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:50.960
<v Speaker 1>ago with like Peacock, when they did a series on Gacy.

1593
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:51.960
<v Speaker 1>They even get into this.

1594
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's something about right like the serial killers

1595
01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:59.680
<v Speaker 2>in society that they're like kind of infatuated with, like

1596
01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:05.000
<v Speaker 2>wanting to how many Dahmer documentaries are there, right, like

1597
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:07.399
<v Speaker 2>people think he's hot and then that one, that one.

1598
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:10.600
<v Speaker 1>That's another reason why I think we know these is

1599
01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:12.720
<v Speaker 1>because it's like, all right, it's kind of in an experiment,

1600
01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:14.359
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna make money off of selling it to

1601
01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:16.680
<v Speaker 1>to the public too. That's why I think it's even

1602
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:20.239
<v Speaker 1>put in our faces so much. Yeah, you know what

1603
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, because they are bullshit. They are bullshit, and

1604
01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:29.119
<v Speaker 1>they're they're just being Soltos. Oh bro, Yeah, because there's

1605
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:32.760
<v Speaker 1>there's certain things, certain sick ship that another human being

1606
01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:34.920
<v Speaker 1>will do that you won't hear jack shit about. But

1607
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:37.880
<v Speaker 1>what's the reason this one gets picked? And when you

1608
01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:41.600
<v Speaker 1>start looking at him, they never make any sense. There's

1609
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:43.479
<v Speaker 1>always like weird shady shit going on.

1610
01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like the like the story of yeah I'm

1611
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:49.319
<v Speaker 2>getting caught. Yeah, Like you know, I used Dahmer a lot,

1612
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:52.159
<v Speaker 2>but he had that one Chinese guy who was trying

1613
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:55.560
<v Speaker 2>to turn into a zombie. And also Dahmer was into

1614
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:57.760
<v Speaker 2>the occult. Bro, he was making an altar and he

1615
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:02.079
<v Speaker 2>never finished right with the soul Like they never talked

1616
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:04.039
<v Speaker 2>about that where they're like, yo, so what are you

1617
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:09.279
<v Speaker 2>doing with this? So Dahmer skull alter and he was

1618
01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:13.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to like make uh uh a zombie with that

1619
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Chinese guy, but he drew his altar. This is what

1620
01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:20.239
<v Speaker 2>allegedly would it looked like. And he said he hadn't

1621
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:24.239
<v Speaker 2>got enough skulls for it. But here you go right here, Yeah,

1622
01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:27.159
<v Speaker 2>this is it. So Damer's Temple of Skulls.

1623
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Bro what.

1624
01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Yo painted skeletons, black table, blue lights.

1625
01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:37.520
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

1626
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:41.199
<v Speaker 2>You got like some candles and stuff here painted scale. Yeah,

1627
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:46.319
<v Speaker 2>so that's gonna be that was gonna be real.

1628
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:50.279
<v Speaker 1>That black table was up higher. It almost looks like

1629
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the Stellar the revelation that we're looking at before it.

1630
01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, but let's say that this was like

1631
01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:00.920
<v Speaker 2>some you know, make ultra pati and gone wild and

1632
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:03.000
<v Speaker 2>they were just studying him from the shadows because we

1633
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:05.159
<v Speaker 2>know that the government would do something like that. Oh.

1634
01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I think you do that with cults. I think they're

1635
01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:09.279
<v Speaker 1>involved with cults and like, oh, let's see how much

1636
01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you can mindfuck these people, what you can make them do,

1637
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:13.199
<v Speaker 1>and then they just come in and like, oh, yeah,

1638
01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:17.640
<v Speaker 1>we got to stop this now. And I think they

1639
01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>think they study that as well.

1640
01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Alien disclosure thing that's coming out now too, because if

1641
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.520
<v Speaker 2>you look at it, a lot of these religions, scientology

1642
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:32.159
<v Speaker 2>and more are UFO cults. Like I would even consider

1643
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:37.239
<v Speaker 2>the Lima a UFO cult. You can argue about that.

1644
01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:39.439
<v Speaker 1>I could argue with that, you know what I'm saying,

1645
01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Like first depiction of a gray unfortunately kind of does

1646
01:22:42.079 --> 01:22:43.199
<v Speaker 1>come from Crowley in a sense.

1647
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're you're talking, you know, you were influenced. Now

1648
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:53.720
<v Speaker 2>there's a distinction though, because the Lamb was one thing

1649
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and Iowas was another thing, and Iowa's was the was

1650
01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the entity that gave him the Book of the Law. Yeah,

1651
01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.079
<v Speaker 2>and Lamb was the thing he saw in his New

1652
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:05.880
<v Speaker 2>York apartment that one day where he was doing the

1653
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Amalantra working.

1654
01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:09.279
<v Speaker 1>And I think like with an Nokia magic too, it

1655
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:13.399
<v Speaker 1>could be wrong with that, Oh, I think it was, like, yeah,

1656
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.199
<v Speaker 1>I think it was something like he contacted with a

1657
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Nokia magic, which is part of the OTL as well. Right, Yeah,

1658
01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:22.800
<v Speaker 1>they do, Yeah, they do kind of promote that that's

1659
01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:26.359
<v Speaker 1>more of kind of like you know, higher magic. I

1660
01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>guess more advanced for.

1661
01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Sure, because I've heard that's one of the most dangerous

1662
01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:32.960
<v Speaker 2>forms of magic in.

1663
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:36.800
<v Speaker 1>That Yeah, I honestly I see, like when it comes

1664
01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to my experiences, I think you've probably maybe heard it

1665
01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:43.600
<v Speaker 1>or maybe I've said certain things too. My experience with magic,

1666
01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>even my experiences I think are very basic. I do

1667
01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:50.319
<v Speaker 1>actually think Pinocchio magic. I actually think you might be

1668
01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:56.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of sending yourself too specific places.

1669
01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:57.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh I believe it, dude.

1670
01:23:57.520 --> 01:23:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like almost like why it's so like

1671
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:03.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, water, water, air, water air, you know why

1672
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:05.920
<v Speaker 1>it's so that that whole thing. I think it's very

1673
01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:10.159
<v Speaker 1>you're getting very pinpointing and specific on certain experiences.

1674
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>One of my dreams and anyone listening that wants to

1675
01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:16.279
<v Speaker 2>help fund the project, is to make a John Dina

1676
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>word Kelly movie or our series. Right, I think that

1677
01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:22.520
<v Speaker 2>that would be a hit. There's nothing on that. No

1678
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:25.439
<v Speaker 2>one's ever done it, you know. And I think that

1679
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:28.439
<v Speaker 2>they were onto something. I think that they were even

1680
01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>if again because I can't I can't help but think was.

1681
01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:32.399
<v Speaker 1>It all bullshit? Right?

1682
01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the whole thing, Like, is it bullshit?

1683
01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I think they knew stuff, but they scammed people.

1684
01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:39.199
<v Speaker 2>You think they occulted it on? Like did they they

1685
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:40.239
<v Speaker 2>left things out? You think?

1686
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think they just told people what they wanted

1687
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>to know. I do think there's a little bit of

1688
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:48.239
<v Speaker 1>shilling going on, but I do think they are of

1689
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>the knowing. I do you think they those guys are

1690
01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:51.640
<v Speaker 1>onto something.

1691
01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Because you got to remember that John Dee knew about,

1692
01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:01.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, Trithenius, which was the father of photography, which

1693
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:06.239
<v Speaker 2>was all about hiding messages and writing. So who's to

1694
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:08.479
<v Speaker 2>say that he did in occult, right? And I think

1695
01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that I think that maybe Lesa.

1696
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Because I do think that goes on a lot too.

1697
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I think things are ciphered there you go.

1698
01:25:17.039 --> 01:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Let's say that it is real. Let's say that it

1699
01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:22.199
<v Speaker 2>does work. But the system that we have is flawed.

1700
01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>And the reason that we're not initiates and we don't

1701
01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.479
<v Speaker 2>know the true secrets. We don't know the secret word,

1702
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:30.359
<v Speaker 2>right of the temple whatever the hell is that the

1703
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:32.439
<v Speaker 2>Freemasons say, Right, we don't know how to build the

1704
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:37.279
<v Speaker 2>temple because you're not initiated. Right, So maybe it is

1705
01:25:37.319 --> 01:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>a thing. And I think that part of the occult

1706
01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:47.239
<v Speaker 2>is about transmitting information freely while encoding it. That's what

1707
01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>alchemy is, right. You have the symbols, The symbols are there,

1708
01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Read them, bitch. Try You're not gonna know how because

1709
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:58.239
<v Speaker 2>you're not initiated, right, So it's about putting it out front.

1710
01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:02.159
<v Speaker 2>But then only those uh Max Heidel, I think it

1711
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:05.439
<v Speaker 2>was that wrote to the initiate, the text means something

1712
01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:06.760
<v Speaker 2>completely different.

1713
01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Than to the non initiate. Yes, I agree with that.

1714
01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:11.520
<v Speaker 2>And they kind of see they see through.

1715
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>It, right. I think Crowley was huge with that too,

1716
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>you think so? So?

1717
01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:19.079
<v Speaker 2>So have you ever seen the concept that the Book

1718
01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:23.199
<v Speaker 2>of the Law was a mathematical equation.

1719
01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Because of that? Uh, because of that thing and there

1720
01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:28.279
<v Speaker 1>where it kind of like gives that hole like this

1721
01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>equals that and all that stuff. But there is like

1722
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:34.399
<v Speaker 1>a cipher in there. Is that like the psychoanat type stuff.

1723
01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:38.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but there's a there's another book called

1724
01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:42.159
<v Speaker 2>the The Rights of cer Law. And it was this

1725
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:46.119
<v Speaker 2>guy in the Typhony and Oto in Miami because they

1726
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:49.479
<v Speaker 2>consider Miami a power zone or something like that, some

1727
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:50.079
<v Speaker 2>crazy shit.

1728
01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1729
01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:58.319
<v Speaker 2>They he conducted a ritual with his chick and it

1730
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:02.319
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to in do an abduction. And what he

1731
01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:04.600
<v Speaker 2>ended up doing was I'll tell you how he did it.

1732
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:08.600
<v Speaker 2>He did the dead man's pose right, the the mummy

1733
01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:11.520
<v Speaker 2>pose essentially right, and he had the tip of his

1734
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>dick out on the top right of the banded bandages

1735
01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:17.479
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. He had the tip of his dick out,

1736
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:20.079
<v Speaker 2>and he had his chick with a vibrator like edge

1737
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.399
<v Speaker 2>of them I guess right to orgasm. And then he

1738
01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:25.840
<v Speaker 2>would go into this altered as the sex magic, go

1739
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>into this altered state.

1740
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:29.279
<v Speaker 1>And he allegedly.

1741
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Was abducted by these Cuthulhu entities craft who ran a

1742
01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>train on him. Okay, they ran a train on him

1743
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:44.439
<v Speaker 2>and he got impregnated. Okay, he was impregnated with this

1744
01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:49.159
<v Speaker 2>sort of numerical entity parasite if you will. And then

1745
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:51.359
<v Speaker 2>he was able to read this code. There's a WHO

1746
01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:54.279
<v Speaker 2>book on it. Peter Lavenda wrote about it. Bro oh wow,

1747
01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:58.479
<v Speaker 2>okay where he could see this code in the Book

1748
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:01.119
<v Speaker 2>of the Law and it was supposed to uh. I

1749
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>think it was linked to the number pi. And it proved,

1750
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:10.279
<v Speaker 2>like he said, that every single different god and God

1751
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:13.680
<v Speaker 2>has had a different numerical value. Again, I don't know

1752
01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:16.079
<v Speaker 2>the specific say. I didn't get into the mathematical part

1753
01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>of it, but I can send you the book, Brian,

1754
01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:20.880
<v Speaker 2>you can kind of sortbody. It was Peter Lavenda and

1755
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:24.479
<v Speaker 2>this dude, that's really interesting. Oh yeah, the Typhony and Oto,

1756
01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:27.199
<v Speaker 2>because I do think there is possibly that book is

1757
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:31.399
<v Speaker 2>ciphered as well, but again we're never gonna know or

1758
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:34.760
<v Speaker 2>was crawly full of shit and we're you know how

1759
01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:37.680
<v Speaker 2>many times I think how many dots were connecting that

1760
01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:41.479
<v Speaker 2>aren't even there? You don't you know what I'm saying?

1761
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, there was, uh all right, you even put

1762
01:28:44.920 --> 01:28:48.039
<v Speaker 1>it this way. There was There was a book called

1763
01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:49.439
<v Speaker 1>The Vision of the Voice. You know, people might have

1764
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:52.439
<v Speaker 1>heard of it. Lisa from The Occult Rejects when she

1765
01:28:52.479 --> 01:28:55.119
<v Speaker 1>lived in Austin. She went to the library that that

1766
01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>book when he was writing it, he had like a

1767
01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:00.800
<v Speaker 1>book that had you know, like where it was published

1768
01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:04.319
<v Speaker 1>is there, and that has all his notes, like he's

1769
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>writing stuff in there, and she went to go look

1770
01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>at it, and like there was times when he brings

1771
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>up Rose a lot. People always think it's you know

1772
01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:16.279
<v Speaker 1>that girl, And inside that book you can actually see

1773
01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:21.439
<v Speaker 1>him doing the math for Jamatria for Rose, and it's obviously,

1774
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, like what I'm getting as you could

1775
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.439
<v Speaker 1>see that in my opinion, he's he's using that name

1776
01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>for something completely different than why you think you're reading it.

1777
01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>You're watching his notes you're seeing, like to what he's

1778
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.079
<v Speaker 1>like kind of almost thinking to us he's trying to

1779
01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:40.439
<v Speaker 1>explain somef he's telling the editor to even uh, you know,

1780
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>give a capital letters towards that don't get it. You know,

1781
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:48.359
<v Speaker 1>there's reasons, there's you know, he was he was doing

1782
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.439
<v Speaker 1>stuff on purpose. You know what I think is funny,

1783
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:54.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe be totally honest with you. You know, the type

1784
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:57.239
<v Speaker 1>of people too that that follow him, they've you know,

1785
01:29:57.319 --> 01:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>extremely left. If they were to go in and read

1786
01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that book and see what he says about black people

1787
01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and gay people and his little notes, I think they'd

1788
01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:06.279
<v Speaker 1>be a little surpressed. He has no problem dropping the

1789
01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>N word or calling them fags nagas. It's kind of funny,

1790
01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:15.039
<v Speaker 1>you know. You get all these uh, these these these

1791
01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>bleeding liberals that put them up on a pedestal, but

1792
01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>yet they don't realize what the fuck he was writing

1793
01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:22.119
<v Speaker 1>his own handwriting and his own notes about some people.

1794
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:25.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've actually i've never actually read this particular book.

1795
01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I've read and an excerpt of this book when he's

1796
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>going through the ethers, right, and this is when he

1797
01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:35.439
<v Speaker 2>was doing it with with with Nierberg, Right, I guess

1798
01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:38.319
<v Speaker 2>I think he was, uh, he was actually fucking him

1799
01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:40.680
<v Speaker 2>in the ass, or Victor was fucking Crawley in the

1800
01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:42.159
<v Speaker 2>ass to do these visions.

1801
01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1802
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:49.600
<v Speaker 2>The what I've what I've dubbed sidamic h is it

1803
01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>sidamic portals, But don't don't google that because you'll get

1804
01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:55.479
<v Speaker 2>some stuff.

1805
01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:56.479
<v Speaker 1>But the.

1806
01:30:58.159 --> 01:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I've actually read this, I'm gonna this out because I've

1807
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:03.359
<v Speaker 2>never read the actual book. I've read excerpts and it

1808
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>was in a book about John d Oh. Because you

1809
01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:10.439
<v Speaker 2>know this is you know, the thirty Inokian Athers, which

1810
01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:13.359
<v Speaker 2>is these different dimensions essentially that they unlocked and every

1811
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:16.600
<v Speaker 2>single one has you know, a guardian of some sorts

1812
01:31:17.119 --> 01:31:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know they're protecting in and all this other.

1813
01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>So that was the whole thing behind the Enochian Sometimes

1814
01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if.

1815
01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>That stuff is almost like the movie inception, you know

1816
01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:29.239
<v Speaker 1>how like you can go deeper into going to another dream,

1817
01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:31.119
<v Speaker 1>into another dream.

1818
01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:33.359
<v Speaker 2>But think about that, bro like what if you get lost?

1819
01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Like that was the whole thing, right, They couldn't get

1820
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>lost in the dream because they wouldn't be able to

1821
01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:37.279
<v Speaker 2>come back out.

1822
01:31:37.359 --> 01:31:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Like in the matrix. If you die in the matrix,

1823
01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:42.359
<v Speaker 1>you're dead in real life. If there's an aspect of that.

1824
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I have worried about that playing with magic. Yeah, I

1825
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:46.079
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Like there's times where I said, like I've

1826
01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:48.159
<v Speaker 1>even seen like windows that for me, I just don't

1827
01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>know why. I get this feeling that you can go

1828
01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>into it. I don't know if that's true or not,

1829
01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:55.359
<v Speaker 1>but I've I'd be afraid to. I'll just keep it

1830
01:31:55.399 --> 01:31:58.359
<v Speaker 1>real if you know what to back out. If there

1831
01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:00.319
<v Speaker 1>was some movie, I don't know if it's insidious, something

1832
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that was sinister, and maybe that it is. It was

1833
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:04.119
<v Speaker 1>this kid who was like kind of like a still

1834
01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>traveling and I think like went into a coma and

1835
01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:08.399
<v Speaker 1>like that kid, like you would see him like go

1836
01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:10.119
<v Speaker 1>through like a door and would go somewhere and would

1837
01:32:10.119 --> 01:32:12.239
<v Speaker 1>get lost. And I do actually like wonder is that

1838
01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:15.439
<v Speaker 1>kind of like something true to an extent.

1839
01:32:16.319 --> 01:32:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's interesting that in that book that

1840
01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:24.199
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned earlier, the Anesthetic Revelation with Benjamin Paul Blood,

1841
01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:30.399
<v Speaker 2>which is you know, interesting initials, the one of the

1842
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:33.600
<v Speaker 2>things he talked about was looking into mirrors and wondering

1843
01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:37.399
<v Speaker 2>if in the mirror was another reality. Like while he

1844
01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:40.199
<v Speaker 2>was like blasted off on this sort of stuff, he

1845
01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:42.920
<v Speaker 2>was wondering. Right, it was like it's like doing whippets,

1846
01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Like that's what that's essentially what it is. No, I'm serious,

1847
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>but like that's part of it. Like it's like that

1848
01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:51.199
<v Speaker 2>and people go people they look crazy on that. It

1849
01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:54.199
<v Speaker 2>cooks your brain, dude, Like it cooks these people's brain.

1850
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:57.760
<v Speaker 2>They start talking all slow and they just destroy their

1851
01:32:57.800 --> 01:32:58.399
<v Speaker 2>lives with that.

1852
01:32:58.600 --> 01:32:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Man.

1853
01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:05.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, for as, I'm very uh whenever I pick

1854
01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:09.319
<v Speaker 2>something up, I hyper focus on it, and I'm very compulsive,

1855
01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:11.359
<v Speaker 2>like when it comes to like hobbies and stuff like that.

1856
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:13.279
<v Speaker 2>My wife makes fun of me because I'll pick up

1857
01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:17.039
<v Speaker 2>on you hyper fixation. I thank god every day that

1858
01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I never picked up drugs, oh and got hooked on

1859
01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>drugs because like that's that's the kind of person that

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<v Speaker 2>I have, bro, where I'll get hooked on something and

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01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll just keep doing it. Like you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>get into magic the gathering, you want the best deck,

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01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you want the best cards, you want the best everything,

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01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:36.279
<v Speaker 2>like you gotta do it. And you start podcasting, you

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01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:41.039
<v Speaker 2>want the best mic, you know, like all this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way I am, bro. But thank god, knock

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<v Speaker 2>on wood, that I haven't had that happen to me, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say the same for some people. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>But Nick, you want to add anything before we get

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck out of here?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh No, not really. I mean I had a really

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<v Speaker 1>good time, like I expected.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I really would love to get you back on the

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<v Speaker 1>show one day too. But thank you for having me on. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a really good talk. And it's that's, I guess, say,

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<v Speaker 1>a breath of fresh air. But if you're a very

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<v Speaker 1>open minded person with the occult, and I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I appreciate you, and let me know whenever you

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01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:16.560
<v Speaker 2>want me to go back on the show. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just asking questions. Bro. I'm not here to push

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<v Speaker 2>any narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, we just want to figure out what the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>is going on, man, Like what the fuck? Like I

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01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:25.479
<v Speaker 1>tell you, like how it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, Bro, I've been thinking it's fake and it's gay,

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01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:30.800
<v Speaker 2>and I want to know maybe why it's not. But

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01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:36.880
<v Speaker 2>like there's so much of reality. But listen, you're like,

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01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:41.000
<v Speaker 2>it's so interesting, right, Like it's so interesting where I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it can't just be that simple. I couldn't have just

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01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:46.680
<v Speaker 2>figured it out like hey guys, hey, hey, hey, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all fake. It's all gay.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray. It can't be that simple, or can it? Right? Like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent so much time thinking about it, can it

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<v Speaker 1>really be? I don't want to believe that aff to

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<v Speaker 1>the Egyptians.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the secret to the druids, that's the secret to

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01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:02.119
<v Speaker 2>the mind, that's a secret to the astext, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>secret to all of reality.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole fucking time.

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<v Speaker 2>Because again, how I asked you earlier, how many dots

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01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>are we connecting that aren't even fucking there?

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<v Speaker 1>You get to the end and you open up a

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<v Speaker 1>box that plays like fucking Rick Ashley. You just got

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<v Speaker 1>Rick rolling. That's all it was. It's like some damn

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01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Brown type thing. He went through all that and it's

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<v Speaker 1>faking gay, that's all it is. He just got trolled

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<v Speaker 1>like it's fucking f Is that what the magical papyri said?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's what they don't want to tell us, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they don't want to tell us what it's

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<v Speaker 2>all fakeing gays that Joseph Smith had, that's what the

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<v Speaker 2>tablet said. And he's like, you know, I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>roll with it. But that's what he translated that I

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<v Speaker 2>take this ship out of here, take it back with.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't go back with that. I gotta come up

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<v Speaker 1>with something about Moroni.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so listen, bro, we'll do this again soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let the people know where they can find you all

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<v Speaker 2>more time before we get out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh the Occult Rejects and that's on old major podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>and bitchoot Rumble and YouTube. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome to send me your links too, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>post on the link tratefully. Make sure to follow se

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<v Speaker 2>on social media at the one on one podcast www

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<v Speaker 2>dot t j o JP dot com links down to

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<v Speaker 2>the description. Go follow the backup YouTube channel Juan on

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<v Speaker 2>Juan Media and leave a review. If you enjoy this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>comment whatever, who cares see you on the next one.