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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in a Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>jail cell seven years ago to the day. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of them finding Jeffrey Epstein in that jail cell,

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up with more questions than we ever did answers.

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<v Speaker 1>And you would think over the years that there'd be

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of reckoning with that and that the American

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<v Speaker 1>people would be told the truth. But time and time

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<v Speaker 1>again it's been the complete opposite. Whether that's the OIG

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<v Speaker 1>report or the congressional whitewash that's being led by James Comer,

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose remains the same, protect the blast radius at

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<v Speaker 1>all costs. And up until recently, they thought they got

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<v Speaker 1>away with it, and they thought that everybody was just

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<v Speaker 1>going to accept the bullshit narrative that they tried to

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<v Speaker 1>give us about what happened to Jeffrey Epstein in that

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<v Speaker 1>jail cell. So today we have an article from Politico

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<v Speaker 1>and the headline Jeffrey Eppsstein's death was supposed to bury

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<v Speaker 1>the truth. It did the opposite. This article was authored

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<v Speaker 1>by John F. Harris. Seven years ago today, Jeffrey Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>was found hanging in a Manhattan jail cell, and the

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<v Speaker 1>usual reactions to a sudden, violent death were reversed. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the people who abhorred the convicted sex offender, his victims,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of those who sympathized with them, who were

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<v Speaker 1>stricken with sadness and anger. Now they've feared the full

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<v Speaker 1>truth about this man and his odious life would never

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<v Speaker 1>come out. Can you imagine how many people were excited

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<v Speaker 1>when Jeffrey Epstein died, All those people that he was

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<v Speaker 1>associated with, all those people he was in business with,

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<v Speaker 1>all those people he was financially connected to. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine how happy they were? Because remember, Epstein wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>in there long enough to play ball, Like literally, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>in that gail long enough for them to get him

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<v Speaker 1>to talk. Epstein was still under the impression that he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to get out. Sure he had lost the

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<v Speaker 1>fight for Bell, but that's not the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know that, especially when you're rich, plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>other avenues available to you. Look at Glenne Maxwell's bitch

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<v Speaker 1>ass convicted, turned down by every court in the land,

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<v Speaker 1>and here we are still talking about some form of clemency.

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<v Speaker 1>So the doors never really closed. Is it. The anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of Epstein's demise is occasion to note two paradoxes that

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<v Speaker 1>have emerged over those seven years, the most vividly in

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<v Speaker 1>recent months, as it's become clear that Epstein was a

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<v Speaker 1>more consequential figure and more emblematic of assortid age even

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<v Speaker 1>than we knew at the time. Oh, hold on, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean we you refuse to believe it. You

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<v Speaker 1>were too busy playing politics. You were too busy calling

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<v Speaker 1>people maga when they were bringing up Jeffrey Epstein, and

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have to own that shit. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people out there who act like they care now,

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<v Speaker 1>who were nowhere near the front line when all of

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<v Speaker 1>this was cracking off. Instead, they show up late to

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<v Speaker 1>the party, like walder Frey talking about Oh, we had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. No, we had an idea, you just wouldn't listen.

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<v Speaker 1>The first is the surprising degree to which the truth

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<v Speaker 1>did indeed come out and answers were not left hanging

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<v Speaker 1>with Epstein in the cell two twenty on the ninth

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<v Speaker 1>floor of the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Yes, there are important

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<v Speaker 1>matters of detail that remain clouded by mystery. These include

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<v Speaker 1>the precise details of how Epstein killed himself in a

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly secure facility according to the official medical examiner's conclusion,

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<v Speaker 1>which still some doubt. I'm some okay, I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative. And when you have so many conflicting reports

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<v Speaker 1>from experts in the field, I guess it's just which

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<v Speaker 1>one you want to believe, right, Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>believe what the state's providing you or do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to believe what doctor Boden had to say when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the high bone and the other circumstances that

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<v Speaker 1>have not been explained by the government. Me personally, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that doctor Boden is telling the truth. What does

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<v Speaker 1>he have to gain by lying? What exactly would Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Boden gain? Meanwhile, what would the state gain? Also the

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<v Speaker 1>full illumination of his relationship with Trump and why it

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<v Speaker 1>apparently dissolved early in the two thousands. Many of the

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<v Speaker 1>survivors of Epstein's crimes also remain distraught and hungry for

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<v Speaker 1>more answers. I mean, can you blame them after all

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<v Speaker 1>these years, after all the bullshit, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>we should blame them for wanting more answers? How about

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<v Speaker 1>we focus some of that blame on the authorities that

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<v Speaker 1>could have provided the answers but chose not to. But

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of Epstein's monstrously manipulative character and the ease

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<v Speaker 1>in which he ensnared some of the planet's wealthiest and

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<v Speaker 1>in many cases, most accomplished people, is now commonly understood

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that it almost certainly would not have

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<v Speaker 1>been if he had lived. Listen. People have been telling

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<v Speaker 1>you this since the nineties. If you chose not to listen,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you chose to just write it off because

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't fit into your political ideology, that's on you.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a very dangerous thing to do. Oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump doesn't like this, so I have to like it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very dangerous way to live life. And what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing is you're letting someone else control your emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>And it caused a lot of damage when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to Ebstein in the early days of this investigation, because

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of people that were discounting what

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<v Speaker 1>the survivors were, even saying, I mean, look at ABC,

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<v Speaker 1>they refused to run the Amy Roeboch interview with Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>even though she gave them the goods. She told them

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<v Speaker 1>everything all about Andrew all about Epstein, all about the operation,

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<v Speaker 1>and ABC chose not to run it, So don't tell

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<v Speaker 1>us you didn't know. Perhaps you would have reached a

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<v Speaker 1>settlement with prosecutors or gone to trial under the rules

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<v Speaker 1>of evidence focused narrowly on the few crimes, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>receiving scrutiny over the broad contours of his life. Annie

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein associate, who exhaled in gratitude at his passing in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, had it exactly wrong. The ruin of reputations

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<v Speaker 1>caused by this scandal was only beginning. So back then,

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<v Speaker 1>when we didn't have anywhere near the momentum that we

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<v Speaker 1>have now, we were able to force out jess Daily,

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<v Speaker 1>Les Wexner, and Leon Black. And that's a pretty big deal, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I told you at the time that's not something

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<v Speaker 1>to sneeze at. That's a big accomplishment. Those are very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful people. And if it wasn't for the pressure that

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<v Speaker 1>all of you who have been around from the jump

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<v Speaker 1>put on these people, well that would have never happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's a small consolation considering the crimes that

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<v Speaker 1>were committed financially and otherwise, but at least it's something

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<v Speaker 1>what we know now the backscratching and body bandonage with

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<v Speaker 1>cringe inducing specificity that was the essence of how Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>nurtured his elite relationships is a gift of posterity. It comes,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, because of the documentary gold mine of his

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<v Speaker 1>massive troph of vmales. These were released under an Act

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress, largely because important voices in the MAGA movement

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<v Speaker 1>later joined Democrats defied Trump's reluctance and insisted they be released,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got to give them credit. Look, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of Thomas Massey or you know, Marjorie Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Green or any of these people, to be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll give credit where it's due. And if people

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<v Speaker 1>have good ideas, I'm willing to listen. But as far

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<v Speaker 1>as supporting politicians or political movements, I've learned my lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither of these scumbag parties care about me. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you think I'm gonna fight with my friends or my

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<v Speaker 1>family about that shit, you're crazy. Oh sure we can

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<v Speaker 1>have converse, as we can talk about it, but as

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<v Speaker 1>far as you know, using it as a divisive tool

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<v Speaker 1>for me, no way. Those days are long over. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's because I understand that they want the pitchforks and

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<v Speaker 1>the torches at each other's throats. They don't want us together,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want us storming their castle. They want us

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<v Speaker 1>burning each other's villages, and I refuse to take part

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<v Speaker 1>in it. That gift of posterity, as it happens was

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<v Speaker 1>central to the second paradox of the Epstein Anniversary, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's an uncomfortable one. At the time, his death looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a cowardly end to a despicable life of con

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<v Speaker 1>artistry and sexual predation that soon mercifully to be forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Cowardly and despicable remain true. Soon to be forgotten is

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<v Speaker 1>not happening. Epstein's life, it seems probable, will be known

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<v Speaker 1>and studied and written about one hundred years from now

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<v Speaker 1>he's dead. But the narcissist in Epstein might perversely appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>that his historical persona will outlive all but few of

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<v Speaker 1>his contempt libraries. Look It's true, for better or worse,

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<v Speaker 1>this was an evil man that was engaged in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more than just sexual predation, and that's why over

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<v Speaker 1>the years I've tried to focus on all of the

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<v Speaker 1>other aspects as well, especially the financial angle. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's very important that people understand that there were levels

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<v Speaker 1>to this and that Epstein was engaging in many different crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>And while of course the sexual predation was the worst

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst, those are going to be the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>crimes depend on these people. And if you notice, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why the DOJ has focused solely on that. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>hear them talking about the NPA. You don't hear them

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the financial angle. In fact, they don't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to give up those records. They don't want those

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<v Speaker 1>financial records out there. That's why they're fighting tooth and

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<v Speaker 1>nail to release them. The primary reason is because of

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<v Speaker 1>his web of relationships we now know is deeply revealing

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<v Speaker 1>of how an age that produced vast power and wealth

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<v Speaker 1>became unhinged, at least in some elite precincts from self restraint,

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<v Speaker 1>judgment or simple decency. Yo, that's all of them. And

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<v Speaker 1>what's so juicy now is I've told you this for

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<v Speaker 1>how long? And the emails just backed up everything I said.

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<v Speaker 1>So to all those people who discounted this shit for

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<v Speaker 1>all those years, how do you want that crow served up?

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<v Speaker 1>You want some ketchup? Because I'm serving up heaps of

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<v Speaker 1>crow and the wild. This part is, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>I had some secret knowledge. All you had to do

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<v Speaker 1>was listen to what the survivors were saying at the

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<v Speaker 1>time and then dig in. And the evidence was right there.

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<v Speaker 1>But people didn't want to see the evidence for what

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<v Speaker 1>it was. They thought that they were going to hurt

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<v Speaker 1>themselves politically. Remember what Nancy Pelosi's daughter said, some of

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<v Speaker 1>our faiths are going to be caught up in this,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was not wrong. Not everyone whose reputation was

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<v Speaker 1>besmirched by disclosure of their Epstein interactions was an intimate

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<v Speaker 1>of his or necessarily knew the details of his criminal

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<v Speaker 1>procurement or exploit of underage girls. But in most instances

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<v Speaker 1>that have come to light, they knew of his reputation

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<v Speaker 1>as a lotharro who was Trump said in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two, like women on the younger side, Like, what

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<v Speaker 1>does that even mean? Honestly, I understand if you're talking about, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I like girls in their mid twenties. All right, cool, dude, whatever, Great,

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<v Speaker 1>have a good time as long as everybody's consenting. Great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what he meant, though, And it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>he was looking for girls that were eighteen in America,

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<v Speaker 1>either he was looking for vulnerable girls that he could control. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they went on their own. They kept coming back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because he had their fucking immigration paperwork, because he controlled

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<v Speaker 1>their lives, and because he was threatening them. But sure,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah they came back. And for the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 1>women in Epstein's orbit, they were preyed upon. Now, there

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<v Speaker 1>certainly were women that were in his orbit that were

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<v Speaker 1>helping him out, and We've talked to them relentlessly, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've called for their arrest for years. But if we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a sixteen year old girl or a seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>year old girl who was brought into this madness and

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<v Speaker 1>then turned into a recruiter herself, do you really think

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<v Speaker 1>Many of them concluded this contributed rather than detracted from

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun to be with. Likely in nearly every case,

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<v Speaker 1>these people were attracted to Epstein because of his wealth,

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<v Speaker 1>his access to others with wealth, his aeroplanes and his island,

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<v Speaker 1>and his self fashioned or as an intellectual savant who

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<v Speaker 1>used his bespoke brain to make money in ways that

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary mortals couldn't understand. Literally, none of that's true. The

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<v Speaker 1>guy was an absolute moron. Oh sure he had some charisma,

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<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't some genius. Certainly not some scientific genius.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy was a scamed through and through. If Vari's

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<v Speaker 1>and Little Finger had a baby, it would be Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's bitch ass. If someone in the early twenty second

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<v Speaker 1>intersected in ways that echoed damagingly with two presidents Trump

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<v Speaker 1>technologist of the twentieth century and the foremost philanthropist of

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<v Speaker 1>later CEO of Barclays, a star of academia and government,

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<v Speaker 1>former Treasury Secretary and Harvard President Larry Summers, and a

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<v Speaker 1>long roster of the wealthiest people in the world, such

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<v Speaker 1>as Epstein, confidant Leon Black, the private equity Titan, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as some of its most prominent intellectuals like linguist

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<v Speaker 1>Noam Chomsky, Nobel laureate and molecular biologist Richard Axel, and

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<v Speaker 1>computer scientist and un obomber victim David Glenter. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>just a guy with some predation problems, right, not like

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who's connected at the highest levels. Weakness of

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<v Speaker 1>the flesh. The bottle and the purse are not a

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<v Speaker 1>recent phenomenon. Nor will people studying this era a century

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<v Speaker 1>from now be startled to learn that lust and greed

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<v Speaker 1>can lure people to bad places. But there are three

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<v Speaker 1>distinct signatures of the Epstein scandal that will surely cause

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<v Speaker 1>them to wonder. What were those friends and associates of

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's thinking, Well, i'll tell you, fellow travelers, they don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>The only sin to them is being broke. You can

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<v Speaker 1>abuse children whatever you want, just don't be broke. A

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<v Speaker 1>notable feature of Epstein's emails is the intense hunger for

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<v Speaker 1>connections revealed by many of the people caught up in

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<v Speaker 1>the scandal. Recall that almost all of the famous exams

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<v Speaker 1>involved people who already had amassed large achievements and presumably

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<v Speaker 1>had lots of friends who didn't have previous sex crimes

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<v Speaker 1>convictions as Epstein did from two thousand and eight onward,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were hypnotized by the Epstein flame. Even so,

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<v Speaker 1>were they or did Epstein have dossiers on some of them?

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<v Speaker 1>That is the uncomfortable truth that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk about. Still, the fact that Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>most certainly had dossiers. Now to what extent, who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>but he most certainly had them. Jess Staley, who traded

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<v Speaker 1>emails with Epstein filled with suggestive references to women using

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<v Speaker 1>Disney characters say how to snow White in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine, opened himself up to the man who would

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<v Speaker 1>later destroy his career. I owe you much. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>our friendship. I have few so profound. And when all

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<v Speaker 1>of that was happening with Staley back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>people were like, yeah, right, they were not that close.

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<v Speaker 1>Staley had no idea, this is all over a blown JP.

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan would never let that happen. Well, guess what those

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<v Speaker 1>people were wrong. Summers was seeking dating advice from Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Somemrs wanted to know what to do about a woman

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<v Speaker 1>who was treating him as a friend without benefits just

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<v Speaker 1>before Epstein was arrested again in twenty nineteen. You might

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<v Speaker 1>suppose that one benefit of being Bill Gates is that

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<v Speaker 1>you would no longer be thirsty for anything. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the case. In twenty eleven, he mailed the colleague

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<v Speaker 1>about Epstein, his lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing.

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<v Speaker 1>Although it wouldn't work for me. His lifestyle is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of intriguing. Say what now? What exactly mister Gates is

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing about molesting and hurting a bunch of girls. It

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<v Speaker 1>definitely didn't work. From Linda French Gates, who reportedly dissolved

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<v Speaker 1>their marriage in part because of disgust with her husband's

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<v Speaker 1>intersection with the Epstein scandal. Another signature of the Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>files merits a nod to Hannah. Aren't the banality of creepishness?

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<v Speaker 1>The notorious collection of tributes assembled for Epstein's fiftieth birthday

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<v Speaker 1>is a good example. These purported friends and high achievers

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<v Speaker 1>toasted Epstein with page after page of double entendres and

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<v Speaker 1>shortling sexual references of the sort early adolescents might scribble

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<v Speaker 1>in a middle school yearbook. There was the apparent drawing

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<v Speaker 1>from Trump he denies it of a naked woman with

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<v Speaker 1>his name signed where a pubic hair would be. Notably,

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<v Speaker 1>at midlife, there were notes from people recalling the time

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<v Speaker 1>they helped each other through the illness of a parent,

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<v Speaker 1>or even a time they stayed up until three am

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<v Speaker 1>talking about politics and sports at an all night diner.

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<v Speaker 1>This is life at the top. The superficiality of Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>and his horny rich friends was a revelation. Not for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a confirmation. I've been telling you how degenerate

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<v Speaker 1>these people are for a very long time. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I worked at counter Fitzgerald CG Gaming in Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>and I met with some one of those people, OHOK,

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed everything I needed to know. You want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about banality, you want to talk about degeneracy, Wall Street

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<v Speaker 1>is where to find it. One more reality unveilved by

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein files is arguably, without overdoing it, more appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>The remarkable social fluidity reflected in the modern elite. In

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<v Speaker 1>an earlier era, inherited social class was a powerful force

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<v Speaker 1>facilitating careers of people to the manor born, but an

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<v Speaker 1>infuriating limitation for many other talented people. Epstein's circle included

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<v Speaker 1>privileged kids like Staley, whose father was a CEO and

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<v Speaker 1>who went to Boden before Wall Street, but it also

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<v Speaker 1>included Epstein's most important patron, Leslie Wexner, the billionaire retail

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<v Speaker 1>investor who grew up as a middle class son of

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<v Speaker 1>a Russian immigrant and went to Ohio State. Epstein himself

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<v Speaker 1>grew up near Coney Island and dropped out of college.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out modern social moras which were work, networking,

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<v Speaker 1>scene making and showing displays of wealth, no matter whether

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<v Speaker 1>new or old, or a more potent force than previous

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<v Speaker 1>generations old chum country club culture. This was a phenomenon

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<v Speaker 1>that had already been established earlier in this century by

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<v Speaker 1>the Bernie made Off scandal. And it's true things have changed,

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<v Speaker 1>right It used to be a very exclusive club when

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the upper crust. Watch a show like

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<v Speaker 1>The Gilded Age. Obviously not the truth, but it gives

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit of an idea. You can just

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<v Speaker 1>show up with new money and be accepted into high society. Nowadays, though,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter if you have a bunch of dough.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in. Who cares what you do. You could be

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<v Speaker 1>a child abuser, you can be a gun runner, you

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<v Speaker 1>can be in the cartel, doesn't matter. What can you

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<v Speaker 1>do for me? What doors can you open? How can

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<v Speaker 1>I benefit? What is true in twenty twenty six that

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<v Speaker 1>was not true in twenty nineteen is that Jeffrey Epstein's

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<v Speaker 1>name is going to live in national memory for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as people are curious about the Trump era. Those

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<v Speaker 1>emails will find an audience for decades to come. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt about that. But where the doubt remains

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<v Speaker 1>is what's gonna come of it. Is there going to

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<v Speaker 1>be change? Are people going to be held accountable? That's

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<v Speaker 1>the question that remains up in the air, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>to come. All Right, folks, that's going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>for this one. All the information that goes with this

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