Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog.
Speaker 2: Something killed your dog, my dog.
Speaker 1: We're flying through the or over the tree. I don't
Speaker 1: know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused.
Speaker 1: All I saw was my dog coming over the fence
Speaker 1: and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like,
Speaker 1: I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my
Speaker 1: dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are you putting?
Speaker 1: We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 1: Did you see what it was?
Speaker 3: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 1: Jesus quice you better. Yeah, Hello, get somebody out here
Speaker 1: when i'm out there. I thought of a bit of
Speaker 1: about sixty nine.
Speaker 2: I don't know I'm out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the booking right away.
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining me today to spread in Alaska. We
Speaker 4: have Sonny who's returning, so I'll let you take it
Speaker 4: from there. Sonny.
Speaker 2: I'm Funny Grand Turner, Juno, Alaska. I'm full Clankett born
Speaker 2: and raised in general. I told about my Mount Gino adventure.
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty complete. I'll just go into Thomas Bay.
Speaker 2: Thomas Bay trip happened in nineteen seventy two, nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 2: and that was quite a few years ago. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if you or your listeners have heard of a
Speaker 2: book called The Strange Victory ever told I have, Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe some of your listeners haven't. You can buy that
Speaker 2: book for less than ten bucks on Amazon. The author
Speaker 2: is Harry Kolpe. He was one of the four miners
Speaker 2: who went to Thomas Bay. We went there mostly because
Speaker 2: of that book. Thomas Bay is one hundred and five
Speaker 2: miles south of Juno. We went as a church group.
Speaker 2: It was about nine of us, the adults and seven boys.
Speaker 2: We're on a twenty four foot bay liner. It took
Speaker 2: us all day to get to Thomas Bay. It was
Speaker 2: a beautiful weather. It was a perfect time to be
Speaker 2: on the water. It was evening time when we got
Speaker 2: to Thomas Bay. The story starts off at a river
Speaker 2: called Patterson Creek, and we weren't certain, but we anchored
Speaker 2: off the river. That was very beautiful. Before bed, we
Speaker 2: read that book. It's a very short book. You don't
Speaker 2: have to read that book. It's a good book to
Speaker 2: read while you're out camping. We're at the place where
Speaker 2: it happened in the book. We woke up the next morning.
Speaker 2: We had a little skiff. It took a couple of
Speaker 2: skiff rights to get all of us the shore. One
Speaker 2: of the STAP members stayed on the boat just to
Speaker 2: make sure the bow wouldn't drag anchor or something. We're
Speaker 2: brother lunches. We started hiking up. We end up following
Speaker 2: this ridge. I think we were fallowing a game trail,
Speaker 2: like a deer trail or something very common to find
Speaker 2: bear trail. They're very wide, almost like going into a
Speaker 2: little cylinder. Yes, we were hiking up this trail, we
Speaker 2: noticed how quiet it was. Usually you would hear a
Speaker 2: hermit draft or eader, eagle of the ravens, other animals, squirrel, morments,
Speaker 2: you would hear all these animals. We didn't hear anything.
Speaker 2: We thought that was very unusual. We're talking amongst itself, saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're definitely in the right area. It's strange because I
Speaker 2: grew up hiking very young. I grew up deer out
Speaker 2: and with my dad, so I was very familiar being
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 4: Woods right now. Historically, there's some issues with that area.
Speaker 4: There was a village and what have you that no
Speaker 4: longer exists.
Speaker 2: It was a landslide that happened at the base of
Speaker 2: Crescent Lake, which was the lake we wanted to see.
Speaker 2: That was another reason why we were eyking up to
Speaker 2: see that lake. They call it Half Moon Lake in
Speaker 2: the book. There was no real name for it in
Speaker 2: the book, but that's what it was called. The landslide
Speaker 2: happened in seventeen fifty, the Big landslide, and that killed
Speaker 2: everyone in the village. Ever since then, it's been really
Speaker 2: creepy being there amongst the natives. There are stories that
Speaker 2: wasn't a place to go. You avoided it because there
Speaker 2: were some bad things happening there. The story that happened
Speaker 2: with those four miners happened nineteen hundred. In the book,
Speaker 2: he talks about several excursions to Thomas Bay all the
Speaker 2: way up to nineteen fourteen, trained things that happened to people,
Speaker 2: mostly the miners.
Speaker 4: It makes you wonder about that because me, I've always
Speaker 4: suspected that there's something to do with the energy near
Speaker 4: gold mining area, gold products energy along with cords and copper.
Speaker 4: It just always seemed interesting to me that historically in
Speaker 4: modern times there's encounters people making reports of just craziness
Speaker 4: around gold mining man.
Speaker 2: That's described in the book. They called them little devils,
Speaker 2: but it's the little people that you've talked about. There
Speaker 2: are little people, and they're not very tall. They're like
Speaker 2: three three and a half foot tall to mouth. That
Speaker 2: was the reason why we just were so fascinated with
Speaker 2: that story, plus that sighting a hand. When I was
Speaker 2: younger boys being that sta squat going up mountains, you know,
Speaker 2: I knew those strange things in the woods. It was
Speaker 2: hard to find information, and I always looked up to
Speaker 2: topic and libraries. Back then there was no Internet of all,
Speaker 2: word of mouth or finding books. We just kept going
Speaker 2: up that trail. It was so quiet. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: the guy on the boat. I don't know what you
Speaker 2: were doing, but he was moving something on the boat
Speaker 2: and we could hear it all the way up or
Speaker 2: we were. We must have been a thousand feet up.
Speaker 2: Looking down you can see the water through the trees.
Speaker 2: We couldn't really see the boat, but we heard it.
Speaker 2: It was that quiet. We just got that with the
Speaker 2: various trends, and we kept going and we had quite
Speaker 2: a few breaks, and we do want to notice no insects.
Speaker 2: There's usually no sea under the mosquitoes. There are always
Speaker 2: the problem that was nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would definitely get my attention. Though, considering pow
Speaker 4: Alaska is anytime it goes quiet for me, I'm either
Speaker 4: ready to leave or my head's on a swivel, depending
Speaker 4: on the circumstances. There's something about the sound going away.
Speaker 2: At some point where you reached a tree line, which
Speaker 2: in that part of southeast I guess it's around twenty
Speaker 2: two hundred teet some around there. Because the further south
Speaker 2: you go, the higher of the tree line. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: get down to Wantington Man tree lines four or five
Speaker 2: thousand feet. So we made it up to the tree line.
Speaker 2: We kept going up this ridge and in the distance
Speaker 2: we saw a lake and we got higher and we
Speaker 2: can clearly see the lake. Tellers stayed like a quarter moon.
Speaker 2: We spent time up there and just enjoyed the view
Speaker 2: and everything, and we were just waiting. We had time
Speaker 2: to go to that lake if we can find something.
Speaker 2: Apparently you can hike around there and find the old
Speaker 2: abandoned campsite.
Speaker 4: That would be cool just from a historical aspect. I
Speaker 4: would just hate to accidentally disturb someone's final resting grounds
Speaker 4: or something like that. You have something following me out.
Speaker 2: After a while, we had to go back down. It
Speaker 2: took us a while to get back down the same thing,
Speaker 2: very quiet. We made it back on the boat and
Speaker 2: which stayed there overnight anchored as the same place, and
Speaker 2: carried it way back to you know, when you camped
Speaker 2: out of another heerber. I think it was taco inlet.
Speaker 2: Not much happened now, it's the main thing that happened
Speaker 2: is how quiet now, no insect. But the fact that
Speaker 2: I saw the lake that was mentioned in the book,
Speaker 2: the book fell real to me. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's nice when you're able to, if you're read a
Speaker 4: book like that, to actually be in the place in
Speaker 4: which it's speaking of it. It definitely gives a whole
Speaker 4: different vibe to it. It takes it from just a
Speaker 4: story to a screenplate.
Speaker 2: It's been different from those little people. That's a shape shifter,
Speaker 2: and there's lots of stories. They can change forms. They
Speaker 2: can look like a person, and they can look like
Speaker 2: other animals. You might see a fox go behind the
Speaker 2: rock and when it re emerges on the other side,
Speaker 2: it's a different animal. There's been strange things many people
Speaker 2: my tribe. Usually when you see that, you don't want
Speaker 2: to hang around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyone in the right mind that they see a
Speaker 4: fox go behind a rock and it comes out the
Speaker 4: other side of the rock. As some ptarmigan or.
Speaker 2: Something on the internet. There's a canister who was in
Speaker 2: the Prince of Wales Island near Ketchikan. Yes, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you heard that guy's story.
Speaker 4: I've heard a few from Prince of Wales. It's always interesting.
Speaker 2: The reason why I'm bringing this up is I'm agreement
Speaker 2: with what he says about the sasquatch and the things
Speaker 2: that shape shift, that has orbs and everything that's interesting.
Speaker 2: A man who is a preacher and he has a congregation,
Speaker 2: the Salvation Army. He was in charge of the church.
Speaker 2: He was told by the captain. They all have a ring,
Speaker 2: and usually it's a captain that's the minister. It's a
Speaker 2: Salvation army. It says, if anyone comes to you and
Speaker 2: start talking about sasquatch her bigfoot, just listen and be
Speaker 2: very polite. Don't disagree with them or make fun of them,
Speaker 2: otherwise you'll be on the bad side of the whole community.
Speaker 2: Everyone there's mostly clinkets and hedis. He'll be in the
Speaker 2: bad side if you have a bit of a remark
Speaker 2: about their sightings. This minister said, the shape shifters and
Speaker 2: the things as orbs. It's his belief there is different
Speaker 2: from a sasquatch. He buys a sasquatch, or the hairy
Speaker 2: man is a real living, biological thing. Then he talks
Speaker 2: about the things that shape shift and everything, and those
Speaker 2: shape shifters can change into a hairy man, it can
Speaker 2: change back. I thought that was very interesting when he
Speaker 2: said that, and that made sense in my mind because
Speaker 2: I just couldn't put my mind around the fact that
Speaker 2: some things can change and have orbs because I've never
Speaker 2: seen that.
Speaker 4: I've seen orbs, but not until recent history. And when
Speaker 4: I first saw it, I was honestly, I was in shock.
Speaker 4: I was like, what am I actually looking at? Because
Speaker 4: it was like a little plasma ball.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: It was fifteen feet in the air, twenty feet in
Speaker 4: front of me, and then it started moving off to
Speaker 4: my left and I followed it closely behind but paralleled it.
Speaker 4: It stayed twenty feet away and I paralleled it off
Speaker 4: to my left once it stopped moving and started going
Speaker 4: into the trees. I crossed a little bit of the
Speaker 4: driveway there down at Kenney Lake, down near the Copper River,
Speaker 4: over at Miss Carroll's place. This was last year. As
Speaker 4: soon as I crossed the driveway, because it was plasma,
Speaker 4: swirly kind of thing, but there was something white inside
Speaker 4: it that was very defined, I just couldn't because of
Speaker 4: the way it was swirling. I couldn't make it out.
Speaker 4: So I was trying to get a better look. And
Speaker 4: then this thing started shimmering like a cat lure or something,
Speaker 4: and then went off into the trees like it was
Speaker 4: trying to get me to follow it. Squatch bait startled me,
Speaker 4: he was like, because I didn't realize he was right
Speaker 4: there beside me, he was like, we should go inside down.
Speaker 4: It startled the crap out of me, and I was like,
Speaker 4: oh shit. I was like, yeah, no doubt, but yeah,
Speaker 4: seeing something like that and experiencing it, what do you
Speaker 4: do with it. It's not like you can the troopers
Speaker 4: and be like, I'd like to report this. It's hard
Speaker 4: to know what to do with that kind of information
Speaker 4: when it happens in front of it. But it would
Speaker 4: make sense that it's more heavily spiritual when it comes
Speaker 4: to the shape shifting and the orbs, it don't only
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 2: They're the shape shifter, which is like a kushakha and
Speaker 2: that can and just shape and has orbs energy and
Speaker 2: they can disappear. Those are different from the Sasquatch. I
Speaker 2: thought that was very interesting and I always felt that
Speaker 2: they must be different things.
Speaker 4: Would you mind sharing just a bit about the cannibal
Speaker 4: giants and certain things you may have heard coming up
Speaker 4: as a youth.
Speaker 2: More giants I've since heard from my grandfather, Austin Hammond.
Speaker 2: I talked about my grandfather's but there was actually two.
Speaker 2: One was my mother's father, which is Austin and Haynes.
Speaker 2: He was the chief of a Chowcat. And then there
Speaker 2: was another grandfather who is from cake Cows. My father's father.
Speaker 2: I only met him when I was very young because
Speaker 2: he died, But it was Austin. My grandfather up in
Speaker 2: Haines had told me about the Cannibell giant. A cannibal
Speaker 2: giant happened in our area. It happened to other parts
Speaker 2: of Alaska as well. We had a totem pole. We
Speaker 2: had a couple of marble carvings, which was very unusual.
Speaker 2: Of a cannibal giant. I always wonder when the world
Speaker 2: is a cannibal giant. I thought that was definitely myth.
Speaker 2: But as I grow older and when I saw that Sasquatch,
Speaker 2: I figured that's what they are. Because the Sasquatch in
Speaker 2: Southeast they had been reported to be fifteen twenty feet
Speaker 2: tall the biggest ones.
Speaker 4: Which is massive lougus. Even if it was a bee hole,
Speaker 4: let's say, and it's overall girth or lanky, twenty foot
Speaker 4: is huge.
Speaker 2: There's a tree I discovered when I was deer on
Speaker 2: Douglas Island, which is the island right across from Juneral.
Speaker 2: That tree had been fifteen feet in diameter. I estimated
Speaker 2: it would take thirty forty people to hold their hands
Speaker 2: go around that tree trunk and the first branch was
Speaker 2: eighty feet up. That was a red cedar tree. Back then,
Speaker 2: I was a smoker and I remember having a cigarette
Speaker 2: and asked my friend Doug, come here. They came over
Speaker 2: to look at this, and we just couldn't believe how
Speaker 2: big that tree was. We always went there. I tried
Speaker 2: to go there every time I make it over to Douglas.
Speaker 2: It's just something to see something that big What were
Speaker 2: some of the things.
Speaker 4: That your grandpa had told you about as far as
Speaker 4: the cannibal giants and whatnot.
Speaker 2: The cannibal giants is said to beware, don't go into
Speaker 2: the woods, similar things what you said, don't whistle because
Speaker 2: they do tree knocks. They always said if they catch you,
Speaker 2: they'll kill you and they eat These stories are very old.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure, because like when I asked an
Speaker 4: elder one time, I was like, how do you know
Speaker 4: they steal us and eat us? My older said, because
Speaker 4: they always have. I said, how long have they been
Speaker 4: doing that? You know what I mean? As a kid,
Speaker 4: you just kind of it's hard to wrap your mind around.
Speaker 4: Until I was older and I was told, they've always
Speaker 4: been our enemy. They've always stolen and eaten us. Also,
Speaker 4: those is about them changing you into one of them
Speaker 4: over the course of five days. If you're captured by
Speaker 4: your village and held for five days, it'll break that
Speaker 4: whatever curse or whatever hold they had on you, and
Speaker 4: you revert back to your normal self. But I've heard
Speaker 4: a couple of those, so I'm sure it stems from
Speaker 4: somewhere or something, or maybe a prisoner swap or something.
Speaker 2: Grandfathers. They're Austin. There's a team for the raven House.
Speaker 2: They're even now when are sixty years old. Original village
Speaker 2: it's from as Klukwan, which is the oldest village in
Speaker 2: our tribe. It's been there for seven hundred and fifty years,
Speaker 2: continues to occupy. There's seven cemeteries in Plakwan and only
Speaker 2: one is used. The rest are abandoned. You can go
Speaker 2: there and it's amazing how much stone has been used.
Speaker 2: So that was very interesting to me since I'm a
Speaker 2: stone curb. There were stone curbs back then, or able
Speaker 2: to do clinket designs Northwest Coast designs on marble. One
Speaker 2: stone had been about five feet tall, and there's a
Speaker 2: cannibal giant on that design and it's pretty big. A
Speaker 2: cannibal giant is holding a man and the man is dead,
Speaker 2: but you can tell just by looking at it that
Speaker 2: he killed this man. I figured this fine had it
Speaker 2: been one hundred and fifty or sixty years old when
Speaker 2: I was carved.
Speaker 4: Kind of makes you wonder if the grave was of
Speaker 4: the guy that was in the land of the cannibal giant,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one knows.
Speaker 4: Makes it more interesting than knowing what I know, Like
Speaker 4: anytime I hear of hanes in that area of southeast
Speaker 4: Last year, I was sent some anonymous footage and it's
Speaker 4: real grainy, but it was reported as a ten foot tall,
Speaker 4: five foot wide hairy man with black skin and blonde hair.
Speaker 4: It's not the best video quality, but you can see
Speaker 4: this thing, and it was reported that it was plucking
Speaker 4: roots and eating roots in the middle of the day,
Speaker 4: looking at everyone watching it. That to me is creepy.
Speaker 4: It's enhanced and stabilized footage. It's just like what sparked
Speaker 4: this thing of all the time to just sit on
Speaker 4: the open during the day. From what I was told,
Speaker 4: like twenty twenty five people were there. I wasn't the
Speaker 4: only footage recorded, It was just the only stuff sent
Speaker 4: to me. So I'm sure there's more footage of this thing.
Speaker 4: But for three days prior it was reported that this
Speaker 4: thing was looking in windows, they shut down the what
Speaker 4: was it called head Start daycare because it was seen
Speaker 4: out back when the kids were playing. It was also
Speaker 4: reported that people were walking around in small groups armed
Speaker 4: because This thing was all over the place for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: just drawn to town looking in everyone's windows. I don't
Speaker 4: know if it was looking for an opportunity or what.
Speaker 4: It's just real odd behavior because typically you don't hear
Speaker 4: about something like that. That's a horrible thought sting. But
Speaker 4: head start building for little snacks, little Tommy and Cindy.
Speaker 4: That's affrdble.
Speaker 2: It's owned where Sin was a living, and it was
Speaker 2: in a cave. Seemed to have a fire. You mentioned
Speaker 2: one year videos to the use fire, and I have
Speaker 2: no idea how oh they started, But in the old
Speaker 2: story they had a fire, there was a glow about it,
Speaker 2: and that's how they knew this cannibal giant was living.
Speaker 2: The whole tribe one then all the men went in
Speaker 2: there and attempted and I couldn't fight fifteen twenty men
Speaker 2: who was willing to die to accomplish what they set
Speaker 2: out to do. They eventually killed this thing from the story.
Speaker 2: It was very big and the only thing they could
Speaker 2: do was to take it make a big bonfire, and
Speaker 2: they burned it. They cut it up and burnt it
Speaker 2: in the fire. That was the only way to get
Speaker 2: rid of it. And the next day everything was burnt.
Speaker 2: And one of the myths my tribe is that's where
Speaker 2: mosquitoes came from. Is they were stirring the calls and
Speaker 2: the dust rose up and those turned into mosquitoes. The
Speaker 2: cannibal giant says, you may kill me, but I'm still
Speaker 2: going to torment you when I'm gone. Of course, no
Speaker 2: one knew what he meant by that.
Speaker 4: A lot of people would be like, oh, that's mythology
Speaker 4: in folklore. I don't know. I wasn't there for that.
Speaker 2: If we meet up later this summer and we'll show
Speaker 2: you these photos. It's in Klokwan and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of old houses there. It's been there for a long time.
Speaker 2: Some of these stories were first recorded by Russian missionaries,
Speaker 2: mostly Russian Orthodox. There was different other explorers that made
Speaker 2: it into Chokecat. Like you heard of John Muir, right,
Speaker 2: the naturalists. Yeah, John Muir wrote a book, He wrote
Speaker 2: several books, but that went up to Choka River and
Speaker 2: met to my distant relatives and many other explorers. German
Speaker 2: explorers made it up there, and I think Kraus is
Speaker 2: one of the guys's name. They interviewed and they reported
Speaker 2: a lot of stories that cannibal giants story came out
Speaker 2: that when that guy was told the story, this is
Speaker 2: back in the late seventeen hundred. Maybe it's just a
Speaker 2: guessing because there was no real accurate records back then,
Speaker 2: but it was definitely late seventeens or early eighteen hundreds
Speaker 2: that these stories are first recorded by non natives. Natives
Speaker 2: that told them the cannibal giant stories said, this story
Speaker 2: is very old. No one knows when the Tutorian when
Speaker 2: it happened. Of course, we still have sightings of these
Speaker 2: things in the woods. And when you know what they are,
Speaker 2: the cannibal giants.
Speaker 4: You were raised with the knowledge of cannibal giant, hearing
Speaker 4: about it from just our separate cultures about how they're
Speaker 4: the enemy, they'll steal you in each you and things
Speaker 4: of this nature. It's hard to hear about accounts down
Speaker 4: in the state side where they're seemingly so friendly. And
Speaker 4: it's not that I don't believe it, it's just because
Speaker 4: of the contrast, the huge contrast from what some people
Speaker 4: report as a friendly forest friend forest giant purveyed protector
Speaker 4: of the woods, which I never bought that narrative because
Speaker 4: if that was the case, why is there a logging
Speaker 4: industry at all? Almost the force that we once had gone.
Speaker 4: If there were such protectors, I don't see that would
Speaker 4: have happened. It's such a difference. In the contrast, it's
Speaker 4: hard to wrap my mind around a friendly one. It
Speaker 4: just doesn't compute for me. Hard for me to wrap
Speaker 4: my mind around just because being from Alaskan. Everyone I
Speaker 4: talked to feeling forst friend. I just I don't see
Speaker 4: it because anyone I've talked to who's had a legitimate encounter,
Speaker 4: the first thing they sense is that overwhelming sense of
Speaker 4: dread and fear. It's never thaty, warm, fuzzy feeling. It's immediate,
Speaker 4: uh oh, I'm in serious trouble without even context for it.
Speaker 4: Not intangible, it's just sensing something out there. Just yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: This time, I was in the natural sciences. I was
Speaker 2: in an environmental science program at the University of Alaska.
Speaker 2: In general. One of my classes was I had to
Speaker 2: have been like the second week of November. I think
Speaker 2: at first snowed in Juno and maybe just before Halloween,
Speaker 2: so there was a lot of snow, but it didn't
Speaker 2: snow since and by some week of November. That was
Speaker 2: actually nice ound be a unter and looking at how
Speaker 2: conditions were down here, I had a pretty good idea
Speaker 2: how the conditions would be farther up. I'm referring to
Speaker 2: the West Glacier Trail. That was my favorite trail to do,
Speaker 2: which I've probably done forty times. I was an amateur
Speaker 2: videographer and I had a suny cam quarter, a high
Speaker 2: cam quorder and a tripod and mics and everything, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to video tap the glacier, so it class canceled.
Speaker 2: It was spur of the moment that happened to have
Speaker 2: my gear in my truck, and I just jumped in
Speaker 2: my truck and meted to cabin, which is on the
Speaker 2: north end of Minnall Lake. There's the parking lot there.
Speaker 2: I just parked, locked my truck, and I got my
Speaker 2: gear and I started up the trail. I only had
Speaker 2: ten shoes on. I never weather proccast. I wasn't going
Speaker 2: to get that much cold. I don't get cold anyway.
Speaker 2: I had my jacket and everything, and I just kept
Speaker 2: my gear, started up and went out on the trail.
Speaker 2: Very little snow but mostly gravel. The first mile and
Speaker 2: a half of the trail pretty much level. There's a
Speaker 2: few little hill then it starts going up. There's all
Speaker 2: the zigzaggs going up. Switchbacks started getting elevate. And as
Speaker 2: they were going up and I was getting right alongside
Speaker 2: the glacier, finally made it to where I wanted to go,
Speaker 2: which is there's a famous site which is going inside
Speaker 2: the glacier and you can go underneath the ice and
Speaker 2: you go inside this cavern of ice. Lighting is supposed
Speaker 2: to amazing. That was way down near the glacier. I
Speaker 2: just wanted to be up on top. And I set
Speaker 2: up my tripod, set up my camphorder, and I zoomed in.
Speaker 2: I just waited. Every fifteen to twenty minutes I would
Speaker 2: get your rumble. I knew when it rumbled there was
Speaker 2: ice moving. That's what caused the rumble, was the ice
Speaker 2: moving across rocks. I kept trying to film it. I
Speaker 2: must have been there almost two hours. I think I
Speaker 2: got there on one o'clock, so it was almost three o'clock.
Speaker 2: I finally saw the ice move as it was rumbling,
Speaker 2: so I was really happy about that. It took me
Speaker 2: two hours to get that shot. While I was thinking
Speaker 2: about that, I noticed the sun way off in the distance.
Speaker 2: Because Lynn Canal was right on the opposite side of
Speaker 2: Ok Bay. There's a bunch of islands way off in distance,
Speaker 2: and sun was just getting ready to set behind it.
Speaker 2: I said, man, I got back up and leave, because
Speaker 2: when that sun goes behind of maybe an hour of
Speaker 2: light and then it's going to be dark. I knew
Speaker 2: the moon riz wasn't gonna happen until halve o'clock. But
Speaker 2: I wasn't feel worried because I just knew that trail
Speaker 2: so well. I packed all my gear and I started
Speaker 2: heading back. You know, I was almost running, but not quite.
Speaker 2: I was definitely fast hiking fair enough. But an hour
Speaker 2: went by and I must have covered a mile and
Speaker 2: a half or so. I got caught in the darkness.
Speaker 2: I was in the tree as I was telling me
Speaker 2: about the trees, and sobeast trees are big, thick, you know,
Speaker 2: with the sundown, and it is dark in the canopy
Speaker 2: underneath the canopy that was hiking down. But I knew
Speaker 2: the trail. It took me longer, and I just kept
Speaker 2: going and just went on for I don't know, fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. When it was so dark I could even
Speaker 2: see my tenney threes that's up darker with and I
Speaker 2: heard something walking down because it was very quiet. There
Speaker 2: was a mini animals around that time of the year.
Speaker 2: I was seking in it to myself, I wonder what
Speaker 2: that is because it sounded big. I couldn't make out
Speaker 2: what the animal was by its sound of its footstep.
Speaker 2: I had no clue what it was down there. As
Speaker 2: I was walking slowly listening to it. I must have
Speaker 2: been right above it. I remember thinking, whatever that is,
Speaker 2: it's going up towards where I was on the side
Speaker 2: of the glacier. What's going the other directon which had
Speaker 2: torn down going to the parking lot where I was.
Speaker 2: It was a little valley just rising up slowly. I'm
Speaker 2: very familiar with that valley because many times I've been
Speaker 2: there to go to get to salmon berry or raspberries
Speaker 2: and blueberries. I know it's thick with berries down there.
Speaker 2: In the summer, it's really brush. On my left side
Speaker 2: there's a little granite dome, and that granted dome is
Speaker 2: only like thirty forty feet tall. If he went on
Speaker 2: top of it, you would see its claychure on the
Speaker 2: other side, So I knew exactly where I was when
Speaker 2: I thought that I'm going this way and whatever it
Speaker 2: was going the other way, it stopped moving. When it
Speaker 2: stopped moving, I stopped immediately because I'm a hunter. I
Speaker 2: made your walk for I don't know, half minute to
Speaker 2: a minute, and then I stopped. He'd be very silent.
Speaker 2: I do that many times tracking an animal. I stopped,
Speaker 2: and now I'm listening. It sounds like it went on
Speaker 2: for a long time, but it wasn't. Only a few seconds.
Speaker 2: I stopped. I was trying to figure out what it
Speaker 2: was doing. And then I heard it or running, and
Speaker 2: my heart just left the fear, which is really unusual
Speaker 2: for me to have fear, to feel fear. It's just
Speaker 2: something I don't normally have when I'm in the woods.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, it was really fearful because something
Speaker 2: big was running, was getting louder. I knew it was
Speaker 2: running towards me. I was racing to my mind thinking
Speaker 2: what it was. I was coming up the hill up
Speaker 2: that side. It's not a deer, it's not a bear,
Speaker 2: it's not a moose. I was going through all the
Speaker 2: animals I knew in my mind, and I had no
Speaker 2: idea what it was and the fear just oh man,
Speaker 2: it gripped me so hard. At some point I was
Speaker 2: so afraid. I think something happened in my body where
Speaker 2: I tasted my fear in my mouth. I've never been
Speaker 2: afraid of anything, because I've been face to faith with
Speaker 2: brown Bear, Wile Haunting, and Black Bear many times throwing
Speaker 2: the bedpacks of walls. I'm pretty familiar with the larger
Speaker 2: animal than the woods, and I know what to do
Speaker 2: when that happens. Whatever was running they split up. There
Speaker 2: was one still running right towards me, and there was
Speaker 2: one running to the left.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sell right
Speaker 4: back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So now it sounds like there's two of them. When
Speaker 2: they split up, it sounded like you guys were running Updale.
Speaker 2: It sounded big because it sounded like a couple of
Speaker 2: them ones running Updale. Something that was heavy. Because I
Speaker 2: can feel the ground move underneath my feet, that's how
Speaker 2: heavy they were. Got to realize that this only took
Speaker 2: a couple seconds. All this I had described, it only
Speaker 2: took about two seconds until they split apart. One was
Speaker 2: still running very close to me. I've been filming all
Speaker 2: day and my battery was getting low, but I knew
Speaker 2: I had a little lamp. I said, now maybe I
Speaker 2: might get some light. When you flipped that little lamp
Speaker 2: upon the sony am quarter, the light would turn on.
Speaker 2: And I did that. It was very dim. It wasn't
Speaker 2: much battery left. What I saw was only like thirty
Speaker 2: feet or so away from me. It was higher than me,
Speaker 2: but being thirty feet it was down the hill. I
Speaker 2: knew whatever this thing was, it was very tall. I
Speaker 2: didn't see any ice time, but I saw the escape
Speaker 2: of its body. It was just blackness. There was a
Speaker 2: really faint light on the trees. But whatever this thing was,
Speaker 2: I could thor up in all the light I saw
Speaker 2: was a black silhouette. And I could see how wide
Speaker 2: its back was and shoulders, and I could see his head,
Speaker 2: and I see the arms, and I saw how long
Speaker 2: the legs were. I remember looking at the leg it
Speaker 2: looked like tree trunks to me, just massive. I just
Speaker 2: couldn't believe what I was looking at. I knew what
Speaker 2: it was, but I never expected to see something like that.
Speaker 2: I think we only looked at each other for maybe
Speaker 2: two seconds. Smacks. The next thing that happened. It is
Speaker 2: something I can't really explain. I'll just tell what happened,
Speaker 2: because you never was spooked to run away from predators,
Speaker 2: whether it be a moose, bear or a wolf, because
Speaker 2: if you do, there with an animal as came on
Speaker 2: and they're run after you. But the fear was so
Speaker 2: great in me. I I ran as I was running.
Speaker 2: I think both of them creatures made it up to
Speaker 2: where I was because I heard the dirt move around
Speaker 2: up on top little scuff marks, and I knew where
Speaker 2: they were, and I just kept running. I found I
Speaker 2: heard a few footstips behind me. I was thinking, oh, man,
Speaker 2: they're running after me. I just kept running. I ran
Speaker 2: into the first tree, probably fifty feet from where I
Speaker 2: started running. First tree I ran under here. It about
Speaker 2: knocked me out. I was seeing stars and everything. I
Speaker 2: felt the blood tripping down my forehead and I got
Speaker 2: up immediately, and I still had my camcorder there on
Speaker 2: my neck, and a pack was still on me, and
Speaker 2: I just kept going. I was really feeling my way
Speaker 2: because it was pitch black, and I kept hearing sounds
Speaker 2: behind me, but I didn't think they were getting back clothed.
Speaker 2: But I just kept moving. The fear was so great
Speaker 2: in me. I just I kep menting that fear because
Speaker 2: I had never felt that in my whole life. They're
Speaker 2: usually not afraid of anything. I just kept running, and
Speaker 2: I finally got to the zig zags where there's these
Speaker 2: switchbacks and there's a steel cable that are kind of
Speaker 2: like handles to keep you on the side of the
Speaker 2: hill because it's really steep. So I knew exactly where
Speaker 2: I was. It's good. I'm at the table and there's
Speaker 2: about ten eleven switched back together. Do and new you
Speaker 2: really dropped down elevation early fast. I just kept going.
Speaker 2: When you leave the cables, there's a few sure carns
Speaker 2: coming down, and then finally you hit the flats, which
Speaker 2: is the last mile. It's a person mile that trail.
Speaker 2: I knew I was somewhat safe. I had to run.
Speaker 2: I could do it because it was a lot more open.
Speaker 2: The trees were more a part, so I can see more.
Speaker 2: That's when I first stopped, because I realized I did
Speaker 2: hit some other trees, but there was nothing like that
Speaker 2: purse tree that I smacked my head right into it.
Speaker 2: I stopped and I was kept in my breath. Then
Speaker 2: I was listening and I didn't hear anything. I was
Speaker 2: real happy that I didn't hear anything. Once I taught
Speaker 2: my breath, I just kept going as fast as I could.
Speaker 2: I wasn't running, but I was definitely moving pretty fast.
Speaker 2: I was so happy to see my truck still there.
Speaker 2: I saw my truck and I got in, slammed the
Speaker 2: door shut. Cigarette smoker back then, I think I had
Speaker 2: a partial pack there, and I almost had about six
Speaker 2: cigarettes and I smoked them all I was being smoking.
Speaker 2: I was shaking. I just couldn't believe it, you know
Speaker 2: how afraid I was, thinking I had no control over it.
Speaker 2: I think it was by the time I finished my
Speaker 2: sixth cigarette, kicking suicided and I start gathering myself and says, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm safe if I'm in my truck. And I started
Speaker 2: my truck up and I could actually do something. So
Speaker 2: I drove home. Gotcha, I'm put my dear away, and
Speaker 2: I went over to my buddy's house and told him
Speaker 2: what happened. As a guy, my friend Doug, who I
Speaker 2: did a lot of hunting with for a long time,
Speaker 2: we got a lot here on seats together, and I
Speaker 2: told him what happened. He got creeped out because he
Speaker 2: knew me, and I knew I was never afraid of anything,
Speaker 2: and to see the fear in my eyes and to
Speaker 2: hear my voice, and I was still shaking. The next day,
Speaker 2: I got up and I went to the ranger station
Speaker 2: named all Glacier. I found a ranger and I told
Speaker 2: him about my experience, and he told me that after
Speaker 2: I kind of went over the same thing I just
Speaker 2: told you. He just listen, here's writing information down. And
Speaker 2: then when I finished, Wow, he says, we had several
Speaker 2: reports of sightings.
Speaker 4: Is that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you saw, but it's many people.
Speaker 2: I saw something like that over there. You know that
Speaker 2: doctor the Ringcoats sal.
Speaker 4: Want Robert Alli.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Robert Alli.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm there, not too long ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cool. There's a story in his book, the same trail,
Speaker 2: the same parking lot. Yeah, if you have the book,
Speaker 2: go look it up. That's on there. About three ladies
Speaker 2: who were there, grew up together and their mothers and
Speaker 2: everything they did. They probably did the West Clayfter trail there,
Speaker 2: and they came back and they weren't ready to go home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they both tired and they were just tending around this
Speaker 2: fire and this big hairy man approached him on the
Speaker 2: side of the fire and when they saw him the
Speaker 2: distance here, asking how are you what do you want?
Speaker 2: When it got closer and they saw that it was
Speaker 2: huge and it was all covered in the air, they
Speaker 2: just screamed, and whatever things they had left around the
Speaker 2: fire they left. They ran to their cars and pore
Speaker 2: out of that parking lot.
Speaker 4: I can imagine. Yeah, a lot of people don't understand
Speaker 4: when you get that freaked out, if it ain't already
Speaker 4: in your hands are easy to grab, you don't really
Speaker 4: give a flying rats ask what you're leaving behind. It's irrelevant. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they can have that one. Yeah, whatever it may be.
Speaker 4: But it seemed like the ranger that you shared that with,
Speaker 4: he seemed to take it serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't to mock me or make any remarks
Speaker 2: that put me down. You just listen with kind of
Speaker 2: surprise me.
Speaker 4: I just wonder how many of those guys that worked
Speaker 4: those jobs, because yeah, I've heard reports of them just saying, oh,
Speaker 4: what you saw was a bear and not even listening
Speaker 4: to the people. They would just immediately interject and say
Speaker 4: it was a bear, and then whatever they have to
Speaker 4: say about whatever the incidents was Yeah, it would always
Speaker 4: Oh that's just a bear.
Speaker 2: You were dealing with the bear. It was a bear. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't do that with us. They obviously knew I
Speaker 2: was to be good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a certain types you can get away with,
Speaker 4: not to lifelong.
Speaker 2: Actually born on the woods, and we know the woods,
Speaker 2: and we know everything that's in the woods.
Speaker 4: And known to go to war too. Just read the
Speaker 4: Battle of Sitka and the rest in fur Traders they
Speaker 4: got out real quick.
Speaker 2: I meant that we were just fred countries, the American,
Speaker 2: Spain and France and Rush got Yeah, we just paired
Speaker 2: anyone who came a horror.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a totally different story. There a lot of
Speaker 4: people they don't understand that there was warlike tribes up
Speaker 4: here as well, because they only hear about the Plains
Speaker 4: Indians and all the stuff that happened there. They're shocked
Speaker 4: when they hear something about like the Battle of Sitka
Speaker 4: where the fur Traders and the Russians got massacred. They
Speaker 4: had some hostages and the chief or something that traded
Speaker 4: himself for some of his tribesmen. But that night the
Speaker 4: Clinkets came aboard and took their chief back, and the
Speaker 4: captain and just made it clear that while you're asleep,
Speaker 4: will steal your captain, and we can make things happen too.
Speaker 4: Kind of thing, which if you're on a big ass
Speaker 4: ship and you think you're all tough and mighty, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you wake up being carried off
Speaker 4: on a stick by the locals, you've got to reevaluate
Speaker 4: your sense of power because it all goes out the
Speaker 4: window when you're getting hauled away by the locals.
Speaker 2: The Russians in their forts in Sitka back in the
Speaker 2: seventeen hundreds, that's the calend is written by an Orthodox priest,
Speaker 2: a Russian Orthodox priest. I said they you know, early
Speaker 2: in the morning, it must have been. He doesn't know
Speaker 2: how early it was, pitt Black. All of a sudden
Speaker 2: you heard your war cries coming across from Edgecombe Island,
Speaker 2: which is small island. It's connected down with the bridge
Speaker 2: to Sitka, but that's where the clinkets were. The Russian
Speaker 2: capital was on the mainland in Sitka. And heard all
Speaker 2: these war cries, and then looked over there and there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of men running down to the water, and
Speaker 2: there was snowing out, and all the men were naked,
Speaker 2: and they all got into their water and started swimming.
Speaker 2: They just couldn't believe it. After a while splash around
Speaker 2: the water, they all gone back up.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna thank you, Sonny for coming back on clearing
Speaker 4: some of that stuff up. But I want to thank
Speaker 4: you again for joining me, and I look forward to
Speaker 4: having you back on the channel coming this July. When
Speaker 4: you make it up this way to the viewers, we
Speaker 4: shall catch you guys on the next They.
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