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<v Speaker 1>Now one of your pudding. I got a string going

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<v Speaker 1>on here, something just cause my dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Something killed your dog, my dog.

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<v Speaker 1>We're flying through the or over the tree. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused.

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<v Speaker 1>All I saw was my dog coming over the fence

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<v Speaker 1>and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my

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<v Speaker 1>dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are you putting?

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<v Speaker 1>We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see what it was?

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<v Speaker 3>Or was it was?

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<v Speaker 1>Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus quice you better. Yeah, Hello, get somebody out here

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<v Speaker 1>when i'm out there. I thought of a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>about sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know I'm out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the booking right away.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for joining me today to spread in Alaska. We

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<v Speaker 4>have Sonny who's returning, so I'll let you take it

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<v Speaker 4>from there. Sonny.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Funny Grand Turner, Juno, Alaska. I'm full Clankett born

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<v Speaker 2>and raised in general. I told about my Mount Gino adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's pretty complete. I'll just go into Thomas Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Bay trip happened in nineteen seventy two, nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was quite a few years ago. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure if you or your listeners have heard of a

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<v Speaker 2>book called The Strange Victory ever told I have, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some of your listeners haven't. You can buy that

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<v Speaker 2>book for less than ten bucks on Amazon. The author

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<v Speaker 2>is Harry Kolpe. He was one of the four miners

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<v Speaker 2>who went to Thomas Bay. We went there mostly because

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<v Speaker 2>of that book. Thomas Bay is one hundred and five

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<v Speaker 2>miles south of Juno. We went as a church group.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about nine of us, the adults and seven boys.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on a twenty four foot bay liner. It took

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<v Speaker 2>us all day to get to Thomas Bay. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful weather. It was a perfect time to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the water. It was evening time when we got

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<v Speaker 2>to Thomas Bay. The story starts off at a river

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<v Speaker 2>called Patterson Creek, and we weren't certain, but we anchored

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<v Speaker 2>off the river. That was very beautiful. Before bed, we

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<v Speaker 2>read that book. It's a very short book. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to read that book. It's a good book to

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<v Speaker 2>read while you're out camping. We're at the place where

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<v Speaker 2>it happened in the book. We woke up the next morning.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a little skiff. It took a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>skiff rights to get all of us the shore. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the STAP members stayed on the boat just to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure the bow wouldn't drag anchor or something. We're

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<v Speaker 2>brother lunches. We started hiking up. We end up following

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<v Speaker 2>this ridge. I think we were fallowing a game trail,

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<v Speaker 2>like a deer trail or something very common to find

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<v Speaker 2>bear trail. They're very wide, almost like going into a

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<v Speaker 2>little cylinder. Yes, we were hiking up this trail, we

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<v Speaker 2>noticed how quiet it was. Usually you would hear a

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<v Speaker 2>hermit draft or eader, eagle of the ravens, other animals, squirrel, morments,

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<v Speaker 2>you would hear all these animals. We didn't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 2>We thought that was very unusual. We're talking amongst itself, saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're definitely in the right area. It's strange because I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up hiking very young. I grew up deer out

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<v Speaker 2>and with my dad, so I was very familiar being

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<v Speaker 2>in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Woods right now. Historically, there's some issues with that area.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a village and what have you that no

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<v Speaker 4>longer exists.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a landslide that happened at the base of

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<v Speaker 2>Crescent Lake, which was the lake we wanted to see.

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<v Speaker 2>That was another reason why we were eyking up to

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<v Speaker 2>see that lake. They call it Half Moon Lake in

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<v Speaker 2>the book. There was no real name for it in

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<v Speaker 2>the book, but that's what it was called. The landslide

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<v Speaker 2>happened in seventeen fifty, the Big landslide, and that killed

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the village. Ever since then, it's been really

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<v Speaker 2>creepy being there amongst the natives. There are stories that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a place to go. You avoided it because there

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<v Speaker 2>were some bad things happening there. The story that happened

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<v Speaker 2>with those four miners happened nineteen hundred. In the book,

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about several excursions to Thomas Bay all the

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<v Speaker 2>way up to nineteen fourteen, trained things that happened to people,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly the miners.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes you wonder about that because me, I've always

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<v Speaker 4>suspected that there's something to do with the energy near

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<v Speaker 4>gold mining area, gold products energy along with cords and copper.

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<v Speaker 4>It just always seemed interesting to me that historically in

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<v Speaker 4>modern times there's encounters people making reports of just craziness

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<v Speaker 4>around gold mining man.

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<v Speaker 2>That's described in the book. They called them little devils,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the little people that you've talked about. There

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<v Speaker 2>are little people, and they're not very tall. They're like

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<v Speaker 2>three three and a half foot tall to mouth. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the reason why we just were so fascinated with

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<v Speaker 2>that story, plus that sighting a hand. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>younger boys being that sta squat going up mountains, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew those strange things in the woods. It was

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<v Speaker 2>hard to find information, and I always looked up to

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<v Speaker 2>topic and libraries. Back then there was no Internet of all,

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<v Speaker 2>word of mouth or finding books. We just kept going

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<v Speaker 2>up that trail. It was so quiet. I mean, you're

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<v Speaker 2>the guy on the boat. I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 2>were doing, but he was moving something on the boat

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<v Speaker 2>and we could hear it all the way up or

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<v Speaker 2>we were. We must have been a thousand feet up.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking down you can see the water through the trees.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't really see the boat, but we heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was that quiet. We just got that with the

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<v Speaker 2>various trends, and we kept going and we had quite

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<v Speaker 2>a few breaks, and we do want to notice no insects.

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<v Speaker 2>There's usually no sea under the mosquitoes. There are always

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<v Speaker 2>the problem that was nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that would definitely get my attention. Though, considering pow

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<v Speaker 4>Alaska is anytime it goes quiet for me, I'm either

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<v Speaker 4>ready to leave or my head's on a swivel, depending

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<v Speaker 4>on the circumstances. There's something about the sound going away.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point where you reached a tree line, which

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<v Speaker 2>in that part of southeast I guess it's around twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred teet some around there. Because the further south

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<v Speaker 2>you go, the higher of the tree line. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>get down to Wantington Man tree lines four or five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand feet. So we made it up to the tree line.

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<v Speaker 2>We kept going up this ridge and in the distance

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<v Speaker 2>we saw a lake and we got higher and we

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<v Speaker 2>can clearly see the lake. Tellers stayed like a quarter moon.

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<v Speaker 2>We spent time up there and just enjoyed the view

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, and we were just waiting. We had time

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<v Speaker 2>to go to that lake if we can find something.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently you can hike around there and find the old

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned campsite.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be cool just from a historical aspect. I

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<v Speaker 4>would just hate to accidentally disturb someone's final resting grounds

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<v Speaker 4>or something like that. You have something following me out.

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<v Speaker 2>After a while, we had to go back down. It

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<v Speaker 2>took us a while to get back down the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>very quiet. We made it back on the boat and

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<v Speaker 2>which stayed there overnight anchored as the same place, and

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<v Speaker 2>carried it way back to you know, when you camped

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<v Speaker 2>out of another heerber. I think it was taco inlet.

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<v Speaker 2>Not much happened now, it's the main thing that happened

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<v Speaker 2>is how quiet now, no insect. But the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the lake that was mentioned in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>the book fell real to me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's nice when you're able to, if you're read a

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<v Speaker 4>book like that, to actually be in the place in

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<v Speaker 4>which it's speaking of it. It definitely gives a whole

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<v Speaker 4>different vibe to it. It takes it from just a

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<v Speaker 4>story to a screenplate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been different from those little people. That's a shape shifter,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's lots of stories. They can change forms. They

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<v Speaker 2>can look like a person, and they can look like

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<v Speaker 2>other animals. You might see a fox go behind the

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<v Speaker 2>rock and when it re emerges on the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a different animal. There's been strange things many people

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<v Speaker 2>my tribe. Usually when you see that, you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to hang around.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, anyone in the right mind that they see a

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<v Speaker 4>fox go behind a rock and it comes out the

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<v Speaker 4>other side of the rock. As some ptarmigan or.

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<v Speaker 2>Something on the internet. There's a canister who was in

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<v Speaker 2>the Prince of Wales Island near Ketchikan. Yes, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you heard that guy's story.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard a few from Prince of Wales. It's always interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why I'm bringing this up is I'm agreement

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<v Speaker 2>with what he says about the sasquatch and the things

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<v Speaker 2>that shape shift, that has orbs and everything that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>A man who is a preacher and he has a congregation,

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<v Speaker 2>the Salvation Army. He was in charge of the church.

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<v Speaker 2>He was told by the captain. They all have a ring,

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<v Speaker 2>and usually it's a captain that's the minister. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>Salvation army. It says, if anyone comes to you and

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<v Speaker 2>start talking about sasquatch her bigfoot, just listen and be

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<v Speaker 2>very polite. Don't disagree with them or make fun of them,

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise you'll be on the bad side of the whole community.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone there's mostly clinkets and hedis. He'll be in the

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<v Speaker 2>bad side if you have a bit of a remark

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<v Speaker 2>about their sightings. This minister said, the shape shifters and

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<v Speaker 2>the things as orbs. It's his belief there is different

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<v Speaker 2>from a sasquatch. He buys a sasquatch, or the hairy

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<v Speaker 2>man is a real living, biological thing. Then he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about the things that shape shift and everything, and those

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<v Speaker 2>shape shifters can change into a hairy man, it can

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<v Speaker 2>change back. I thought that was very interesting when he

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<v Speaker 2>said that, and that made sense in my mind because

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<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't put my mind around the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>some things can change and have orbs because I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen orbs, but not until recent history. And when

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<v Speaker 4>I first saw it, I was honestly, I was in shock.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, what am I actually looking at? Because

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<v Speaker 4>it was like a little plasma ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>It was fifteen feet in the air, twenty feet in

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<v Speaker 4>front of me, and then it started moving off to

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<v Speaker 4>my left and I followed it closely behind but paralleled it.

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<v Speaker 4>It stayed twenty feet away and I paralleled it off

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<v Speaker 4>to my left once it stopped moving and started going

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<v Speaker 4>into the trees. I crossed a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 4>driveway there down at Kenney Lake, down near the Copper River,

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<v Speaker 4>over at Miss Carroll's place. This was last year. As

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<v Speaker 4>soon as I crossed the driveway, because it was plasma,

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<v Speaker 4>swirly kind of thing, but there was something white inside

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<v Speaker 4>it that was very defined, I just couldn't because of

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<v Speaker 4>the way it was swirling. I couldn't make it out.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was trying to get a better look. And

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<v Speaker 4>then this thing started shimmering like a cat lure or something,

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<v Speaker 4>and then went off into the trees like it was

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get me to follow it. Squatch bait startled me,

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<v Speaker 4>he was like, because I didn't realize he was right

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<v Speaker 4>there beside me, he was like, we should go inside down.

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<v Speaker 4>It startled the crap out of me, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>seeing something like that and experiencing it, what do you

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<v Speaker 4>do with it. It's not like you can the troopers

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<v Speaker 4>when it happens in front of it. But it would

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<v Speaker 4>make sense that it's more heavily spiritual when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to the shape shifting and the orbs, it don't only

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<v Speaker 2>They're the shape shifter, which is like a kushakha and

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<v Speaker 2>that can and just shape and has orbs energy and

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<v Speaker 2>they can disappear. Those are different from the Sasquatch. I

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<v Speaker 4>Would you mind sharing just a bit about the cannibal

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<v Speaker 4>giants and certain things you may have heard coming up

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<v Speaker 4>as a youth.

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<v Speaker 2>More giants I've since heard from my grandfather, Austin Hammond.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about my grandfather's but there was actually two.

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<v Speaker 2>he died, But it was Austin. My grandfather up in

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<v Speaker 2>Haines had told me about the Cannibell giant. A cannibal

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<v Speaker 2>giant happened in our area. It happened to other parts

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<v Speaker 2>of Alaska as well. We had a totem pole. We

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<v Speaker 2>had a couple of marble carvings, which was very unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a cannibal giant. I always wonder when the world

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<v Speaker 2>is a cannibal giant. I thought that was definitely myth.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I grow older and when I saw that Sasquatch,

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<v Speaker 2>I figured that's what they are. Because the Sasquatch in

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<v Speaker 2>Southeast they had been reported to be fifteen twenty feet

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<v Speaker 4>Which is massive lougus. Even if it was a bee hole,

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<v Speaker 4>let's say, and it's overall girth or lanky, twenty foot

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<v Speaker 2>There's a tree I discovered when I was deer on

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<v Speaker 2>Douglas Island, which is the island right across from Juneral.

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<v Speaker 2>That tree had been fifteen feet in diameter. I estimated

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<v Speaker 2>it would take thirty forty people to hold their hands

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<v Speaker 2>go around that tree trunk and the first branch was

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<v Speaker 2>eighty feet up. That was a red cedar tree. Back then,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a smoker and I remember having a cigarette

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<v Speaker 2>and asked my friend Doug, come here. They came over

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<v Speaker 2>to look at this, and we just couldn't believe how

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<v Speaker 2>big that tree was. We always went there. I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to go there every time I make it over to Douglas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just something to see something that big What were

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things.

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<v Speaker 4>That your grandpa had told you about as far as

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<v Speaker 4>the cannibal giants and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>The cannibal giants is said to beware, don't go into

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<v Speaker 2>the woods, similar things what you said, don't whistle because

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<v Speaker 2>they do tree knocks. They always said if they catch you,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll kill you and they eat These stories are very old.

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<v Speaker 4>Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, for sure, because like when I asked an

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<v Speaker 4>elder one time, I was like, how do you know

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<v Speaker 4>they steal us and eat us? My older said, because

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<v Speaker 4>they always have. I said, how long have they been

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<v Speaker 4>doing that? You know what I mean? As a kid,

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<v Speaker 4>you just kind of it's hard to wrap your mind around.

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<v Speaker 4>Until I was older and I was told, they've always

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<v Speaker 4>been our enemy. They've always stolen and eaten us. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>those is about them changing you into one of them

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<v Speaker 4>over the course of five days. If you're captured by

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<v Speaker 4>your village and held for five days, it'll break that

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<v Speaker 4>whatever curse or whatever hold they had on you, and

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<v Speaker 4>you revert back to your normal self. But I've heard

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of those, so I'm sure it stems from

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<v Speaker 4>somewhere or something, or maybe a prisoner swap or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Grandfathers. They're Austin. There's a team for the raven House.

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<v Speaker 2>They're even now when are sixty years old. Original village

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<v Speaker 2>it's from as Klukwan, which is the oldest village in

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<v Speaker 2>our tribe. It's been there for seven hundred and fifty years,

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<v Speaker 2>continues to occupy. There's seven cemeteries in Plakwan and only

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<v Speaker 2>one is used. The rest are abandoned. You can go

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<v Speaker 2>there and it's amazing how much stone has been used.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was very interesting to me since I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>stone curb. There were stone curbs back then, or able

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<v Speaker 2>to do clinket designs Northwest Coast designs on marble. One

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<v Speaker 2>stone had been about five feet tall, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>cannibal giant on that design and it's pretty big. A

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<v Speaker 2>cannibal giant is holding a man and the man is dead,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can tell just by looking at it that

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<v Speaker 2>he killed this man. I figured this fine had it

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<v Speaker 2>been one hundred and fifty or sixty years old when

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<v Speaker 2>I was carved.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of makes you wonder if the grave was of

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<v Speaker 4>the guy that was in the land of the cannibal giant,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no one knows.

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<v Speaker 4>Makes it more interesting than knowing what I know, Like

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<v Speaker 4>anytime I hear of hanes in that area of southeast

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<v Speaker 4>Last year, I was sent some anonymous footage and it's

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<v Speaker 4>real grainy, but it was reported as a ten foot tall,

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<v Speaker 4>five foot wide hairy man with black skin and blonde hair.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not the best video quality, but you can see

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<v Speaker 4>this thing, and it was reported that it was plucking

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<v Speaker 4>roots and eating roots in the middle of the day,

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<v Speaker 4>looking at everyone watching it. That to me is creepy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's enhanced and stabilized footage. It's just like what sparked

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<v Speaker 4>this thing of all the time to just sit on

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<v Speaker 4>the open during the day. From what I was told,

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<v Speaker 4>like twenty twenty five people were there. I wasn't the

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<v Speaker 4>only footage recorded, It was just the only stuff sent

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<v Speaker 4>to me. So I'm sure there's more footage of this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But for three days prior it was reported that this

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<v Speaker 4>thing was looking in windows, they shut down the what

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<v Speaker 4>was it called head Start daycare because it was seen

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<v Speaker 4>out back when the kids were playing. It was also

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<v Speaker 4>reported that people were walking around in small groups armed

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<v Speaker 4>because This thing was all over the place for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 4>just drawn to town looking in everyone's windows. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if it was looking for an opportunity or what.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just real odd behavior because typically you don't hear

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<v Speaker 4>about something like that. That's a horrible thought sting. But

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<v Speaker 4>head start building for little snacks, little Tommy and Cindy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's affrdble.

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<v Speaker 2>It's owned where Sin was a living, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>in a cave. Seemed to have a fire. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>one year videos to the use fire, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea how oh they started, But in the old

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<v Speaker 2>story they had a fire, there was a glow about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how they knew this cannibal giant was living.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole tribe one then all the men went in

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<v Speaker 2>there and attempted and I couldn't fight fifteen twenty men

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<v Speaker 2>who was willing to die to accomplish what they set

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<v Speaker 2>out to do. They eventually killed this thing from the story.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very big and the only thing they could

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<v Speaker 2>do was to take it make a big bonfire, and

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<v Speaker 2>they burned it. They cut it up and burnt it

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<v Speaker 2>in the fire. That was the only way to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of it. And the next day everything was burnt.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the myths my tribe is that's where

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<v Speaker 2>mosquitoes came from. Is they were stirring the calls and

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<v Speaker 2>the dust rose up and those turned into mosquitoes. The

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<v Speaker 2>cannibal giant says, you may kill me, but I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>going to torment you when I'm gone. Of course, no

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<v Speaker 2>one knew what he meant by that.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people would be like, oh, that's mythology

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<v Speaker 4>in folklore. I don't know. I wasn't there for that.

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<v Speaker 2>If we meet up later this summer and we'll show

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<v Speaker 2>you these photos. It's in Klokwan and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of old houses there. It's been there for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of these stories were first recorded by Russian missionaries,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly Russian Orthodox. There was different other explorers that made

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<v Speaker 2>it into Chokecat. Like you heard of John Muir, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the naturalists. Yeah, John Muir wrote a book, He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>several books, but that went up to Choka River and

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<v Speaker 2>met to my distant relatives and many other explorers. German

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<v Speaker 2>explorers made it up there, and I think Kraus is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the guys's name. They interviewed and they reported

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stories that cannibal giants story came out

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<v Speaker 2>that when that guy was told the story, this is

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<v Speaker 2>back in the late seventeen hundred. Maybe it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>guessing because there was no real accurate records back then,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was definitely late seventeens or early eighteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>that these stories are first recorded by non natives. Natives

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<v Speaker 2>that told them the cannibal giant stories said, this story

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<v Speaker 2>is very old. No one knows when the Tutorian when

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<v Speaker 2>it happened. Of course, we still have sightings of these

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<v Speaker 2>things in the woods. And when you know what they are,

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<v Speaker 2>the cannibal giants.

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<v Speaker 4>You were raised with the knowledge of cannibal giant, hearing

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<v Speaker 4>about it from just our separate cultures about how they're

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<v Speaker 4>the enemy, they'll steal you in each you and things

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<v Speaker 4>of this nature. It's hard to hear about accounts down

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<v Speaker 4>in the state side where they're seemingly so friendly. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's not that I don't believe it, it's just because

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<v Speaker 4>of the contrast, the huge contrast from what some people

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<v Speaker 4>report as a friendly forest friend forest giant purveyed protector

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<v Speaker 4>of the woods, which I never bought that narrative because

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<v Speaker 4>if that was the case, why is there a logging

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<v Speaker 4>industry at all? Almost the force that we once had gone.

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<v Speaker 4>If there were such protectors, I don't see that would

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<v Speaker 4>have happened. It's such a difference. In the contrast, it's

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<v Speaker 4>hard to wrap my mind around a friendly one. It

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<v Speaker 4>just doesn't compute for me. Hard for me to wrap

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<v Speaker 4>my mind around just because being from Alaskan. Everyone I

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<v Speaker 4>talked to feeling forst friend. I just I don't see

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<v Speaker 4>it because anyone I've talked to who's had a legitimate encounter,

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<v Speaker 4>the first thing they sense is that overwhelming sense of

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<v Speaker 4>dread and fear. It's never thaty, warm, fuzzy feeling. It's immediate,

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<v Speaker 4>uh oh, I'm in serious trouble without even context for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Not intangible, it's just sensing something out there. Just yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just one of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>This time, I was in the natural sciences. I was

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<v Speaker 2>in an environmental science program at the University of Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>In general. One of my classes was I had to

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<v Speaker 2>have been like the second week of November. I think

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<v Speaker 2>at first snowed in Juno and maybe just before Halloween,

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<v Speaker 2>so there was a lot of snow, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>snow since and by some week of November. That was

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<v Speaker 2>actually nice ound be a unter and looking at how

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<v Speaker 2>conditions were down here, I had a pretty good idea

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<v Speaker 2>how the conditions would be farther up. I'm referring to

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<v Speaker 2>the West Glacier Trail. That was my favorite trail to do,

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<v Speaker 2>which I've probably done forty times. I was an amateur

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<v Speaker 2>videographer and I had a suny cam quarter, a high

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<v Speaker 2>cam quorder and a tripod and mics and everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to video tap the glacier, so it class canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>It was spur of the moment that happened to have

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<v Speaker 2>my truck and meted to cabin, which is on the

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<v Speaker 2>north end of Minnall Lake. There's the parking lot there.

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<v Speaker 2>I just parked, locked my truck, and I got my

421
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<v Speaker 2>gear and I started up the trail. I only had

422
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<v Speaker 2>ten shoes on. I never weather proccast. I wasn't going

423
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.119
<v Speaker 2>to get that much cold. I don't get cold anyway.

424
00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I had my jacket and everything, and I just kept

425
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:25.559
<v Speaker 2>my gear, started up and went out on the trail.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Very little snow but mostly gravel. The first mile and

427
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<v Speaker 2>a half of the trail pretty much level. There's a

428
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<v Speaker 2>few little hill then it starts going up. There's all

429
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<v Speaker 2>the zigzaggs going up. Switchbacks started getting elevate. And as

430
00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.880
<v Speaker 2>they were going up and I was getting right alongside

431
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<v Speaker 2>the glacier, finally made it to where I wanted to go,

432
00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.440
<v Speaker 2>which is there's a famous site which is going inside

433
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.039
<v Speaker 2>the glacier and you can go underneath the ice and

434
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you go inside this cavern of ice. Lighting is supposed

435
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<v Speaker 2>to amazing. That was way down near the glacier. I

436
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.559
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to be up on top. And I set

437
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:09.960
<v Speaker 2>up my tripod, set up my camphorder, and I zoomed in.

438
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I just waited. Every fifteen to twenty minutes I would

439
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 2>get your rumble. I knew when it rumbled there was

440
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:20.440
<v Speaker 2>ice moving. That's what caused the rumble, was the ice

441
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:24.720
<v Speaker 2>moving across rocks. I kept trying to film it. I

442
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.079
<v Speaker 2>must have been there almost two hours. I think I

443
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:31.920
<v Speaker 2>got there on one o'clock, so it was almost three o'clock.

444
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I finally saw the ice move as it was rumbling,

445
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:39.839
<v Speaker 2>so I was really happy about that. It took me

446
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.880
<v Speaker 2>two hours to get that shot. While I was thinking

447
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:46.359
<v Speaker 2>about that, I noticed the sun way off in the distance.

448
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Because Lynn Canal was right on the opposite side of

449
00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Ok Bay. There's a bunch of islands way off in distance,

450
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:57.319
<v Speaker 2>and sun was just getting ready to set behind it.

451
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I said, man, I got back up and leave, because

452
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>when that sun goes behind of maybe an hour of

453
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.160
<v Speaker 2>light and then it's going to be dark. I knew

454
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:12.279
<v Speaker 2>the moon riz wasn't gonna happen until halve o'clock. But

455
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't feel worried because I just knew that trail

456
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.440
<v Speaker 2>so well. I packed all my gear and I started

457
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:20.480
<v Speaker 2>heading back. You know, I was almost running, but not quite.

458
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 2>I was definitely fast hiking fair enough. But an hour

459
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.839
<v Speaker 2>went by and I must have covered a mile and

460
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.039
<v Speaker 2>a half or so. I got caught in the darkness.

461
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 2>I was in the tree as I was telling me

462
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:39.599
<v Speaker 2>about the trees, and sobeast trees are big, thick, you know,

463
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 2>with the sundown, and it is dark in the canopy

464
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>underneath the canopy that was hiking down. But I knew

465
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.000
<v Speaker 2>the trail. It took me longer, and I just kept

466
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:54.279
<v Speaker 2>going and just went on for I don't know, fifteen

467
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes. When it was so dark I could even

468
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.400
<v Speaker 2>see my tenney threes that's up darker with and I

469
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.559
<v Speaker 2>heard something walking down because it was very quiet. There

470
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.400
<v Speaker 2>was a mini animals around that time of the year.

471
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.759
<v Speaker 2>I was seking in it to myself, I wonder what

472
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>that is because it sounded big. I couldn't make out

473
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.799
<v Speaker 2>what the animal was by its sound of its footstep.

474
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.720
<v Speaker 2>I had no clue what it was down there. As

475
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I was walking slowly listening to it. I must have

476
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 2>been right above it. I remember thinking, whatever that is,

477
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 2>it's going up towards where I was on the side

478
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>of the glacier. What's going the other directon which had

479
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>torn down going to the parking lot where I was.

480
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:47.039
<v Speaker 2>It was a little valley just rising up slowly. I'm

481
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>very familiar with that valley because many times I've been

482
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>there to go to get to salmon berry or raspberries

483
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:57.839
<v Speaker 2>and blueberries. I know it's thick with berries down there.

484
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>In the summer, it's really brush. On my left side

485
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>there's a little granite dome, and that granted dome is

486
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>only like thirty forty feet tall. If he went on

487
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.680
<v Speaker 2>top of it, you would see its claychure on the

488
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:14.599
<v Speaker 2>other side, So I knew exactly where I was when

489
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I thought that I'm going this way and whatever it

490
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>was going the other way, it stopped moving. When it

491
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.640
<v Speaker 2>stopped moving, I stopped immediately because I'm a hunter. I

492
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.119
<v Speaker 2>made your walk for I don't know, half minute to

493
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>a minute, and then I stopped. He'd be very silent.

494
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I do that many times tracking an animal. I stopped,

495
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and now I'm listening. It sounds like it went on

496
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, but it wasn't. Only a few seconds.

497
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I stopped. I was trying to figure out what it

498
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>was doing. And then I heard it or running, and

499
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 2>my heart just left the fear, which is really unusual

500
00:28:55.200 --> 00:29:00.519
<v Speaker 2>for me to have fear, to feel fear. It's just

501
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.680
<v Speaker 2>something I don't normally have when I'm in the woods.

502
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:06.799
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, it was really fearful because something

503
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.640
<v Speaker 2>big was running, was getting louder. I knew it was

504
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 2>running towards me. I was racing to my mind thinking

505
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>what it was. I was coming up the hill up

506
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that side. It's not a deer, it's not a bear,

507
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.599
<v Speaker 2>it's not a moose. I was going through all the

508
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>animals I knew in my mind, and I had no

509
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>idea what it was and the fear just oh man,

510
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>it gripped me so hard. At some point I was

511
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>so afraid. I think something happened in my body where

512
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I tasted my fear in my mouth. I've never been

513
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 2>afraid of anything, because I've been face to faith with

514
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.039
<v Speaker 2>brown Bear, Wile Haunting, and Black Bear many times throwing

515
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 2>the bedpacks of walls. I'm pretty familiar with the larger

516
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>animal than the woods, and I know what to do

517
00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:00.160
<v Speaker 2>when that happens. Whatever was running they split up. There

518
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.759
<v Speaker 2>was one still running right towards me, and there was

519
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:05.519
<v Speaker 2>one running to the left.

520
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.880
<v Speaker 4>And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sell right

521
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Speaker 4>back after these messages.

522
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.359
<v Speaker 2>So now it sounds like there's two of them. When

523
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 2>they split up, it sounded like you guys were running Updale.

524
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.799
<v Speaker 2>It sounded big because it sounded like a couple of

525
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.839
<v Speaker 2>them ones running Updale. Something that was heavy. Because I

526
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:35.720
<v Speaker 2>can feel the ground move underneath my feet, that's how

527
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 2>heavy they were. Got to realize that this only took

528
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.799
<v Speaker 2>a couple seconds. All this I had described, it only

529
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>took about two seconds until they split apart. One was

530
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.680
<v Speaker 2>still running very close to me. I've been filming all

531
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 2>day and my battery was getting low, but I knew

532
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I had a little lamp. I said, now maybe I

533
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>might get some light. When you flipped that little lamp

534
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:04.799
<v Speaker 2>upon the sony am quarter, the light would turn on.

535
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>And I did that. It was very dim. It wasn't

536
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 2>much battery left. What I saw was only like thirty

537
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 2>feet or so away from me. It was higher than me,

538
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 2>but being thirty feet it was down the hill. I

539
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>knew whatever this thing was, it was very tall. I

540
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 2>didn't see any ice time, but I saw the escape

541
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>of its body. It was just blackness. There was a

542
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>really faint light on the trees. But whatever this thing was,

543
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I could thor up in all the light I saw

544
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>was a black silhouette. And I could see how wide

545
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>its back was and shoulders, and I could see his head,

546
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and I see the arms, and I saw how long

547
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:50.079
<v Speaker 2>the legs were. I remember looking at the leg it

548
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 2>looked like tree trunks to me, just massive. I just

549
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe what I was looking at. I knew what

550
00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 2>it was, but I never expected to see something like that.

551
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 2>I think we only looked at each other for maybe

552
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.319
<v Speaker 2>two seconds. Smacks. The next thing that happened. It is

553
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 2>something I can't really explain. I'll just tell what happened,

554
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 2>because you never was spooked to run away from predators,

555
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.200
<v Speaker 2>whether it be a moose, bear or a wolf, because

556
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 2>if you do, there with an animal as came on

557
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 2>and they're run after you. But the fear was so

558
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 2>great in me. I I ran as I was running.

559
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 2>I think both of them creatures made it up to

560
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 2>where I was because I heard the dirt move around

561
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.039
<v Speaker 2>up on top little scuff marks, and I knew where

562
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>they were, and I just kept running. I found I

563
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>heard a few footstips behind me. I was thinking, oh, man,

564
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 2>they're running after me. I just kept running. I ran

565
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 2>into the first tree, probably fifty feet from where I

566
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.039
<v Speaker 2>started running. First tree I ran under here. It about

567
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 2>knocked me out. I was seeing stars and everything. I

568
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>felt the blood tripping down my forehead and I got

569
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.079
<v Speaker 2>up immediately, and I still had my camcorder there on

570
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>my neck, and a pack was still on me, and

571
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I just kept going. I was really feeling my way

572
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.720
<v Speaker 2>because it was pitch black, and I kept hearing sounds

573
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>behind me, but I didn't think they were getting back clothed.

574
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>But I just kept moving. The fear was so great

575
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.839
<v Speaker 2>in me. I just I kep menting that fear because

576
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I had never felt that in my whole life. They're

577
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 2>usually not afraid of anything. I just kept running, and

578
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I finally got to the zig zags where there's these

579
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 2>switchbacks and there's a steel cable that are kind of

580
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.640
<v Speaker 2>like handles to keep you on the side of the

581
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:52.759
<v Speaker 2>hill because it's really steep. So I knew exactly where

582
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I was. It's good. I'm at the table and there's

583
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 2>about ten eleven switched back together. Do and new you

584
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.920
<v Speaker 2>really dropped down elevation early fast. I just kept going.

585
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 2>When you leave the cables, there's a few sure carns

586
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>coming down, and then finally you hit the flats, which

587
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.840
<v Speaker 2>is the last mile. It's a person mile that trail.

588
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I knew I was somewhat safe. I had to run.

589
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>I could do it because it was a lot more open.

590
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 2>The trees were more a part, so I can see more.

591
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>That's when I first stopped, because I realized I did

592
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>hit some other trees, but there was nothing like that

593
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.280
<v Speaker 2>purse tree that I smacked my head right into it.

594
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 2>I stopped and I was kept in my breath. Then

595
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I was listening and I didn't hear anything. I was

596
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.280
<v Speaker 2>real happy that I didn't hear anything. Once I taught

597
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.159
<v Speaker 2>my breath, I just kept going as fast as I could.

598
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't running, but I was definitely moving pretty fast.

599
00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.159
<v Speaker 2>I was so happy to see my truck still there.

600
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw my truck and I got in, slammed the

601
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.239
<v Speaker 2>door shut. Cigarette smoker back then, I think I had

602
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>a partial pack there, and I almost had about six

603
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.159
<v Speaker 2>cigarettes and I smoked them all I was being smoking.

604
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I was shaking. I just couldn't believe it, you know

605
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>how afraid I was, thinking I had no control over it.

606
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it was by the time I finished my

607
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 2>sixth cigarette, kicking suicided and I start gathering myself and says, okay,

608
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm safe if I'm in my truck. And I started

609
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.639
<v Speaker 2>my truck up and I could actually do something. So

610
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I drove home. Gotcha, I'm put my dear away, and

611
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 2>I went over to my buddy's house and told him

612
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 2>what happened. As a guy, my friend Doug, who I

613
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 2>did a lot of hunting with for a long time,

614
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 2>we got a lot here on seats together, and I

615
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 2>told him what happened. He got creeped out because he

616
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:00.639
<v Speaker 2>knew me, and I knew I was never afraid of anything,

617
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 2>and to see the fear in my eyes and to

618
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 2>hear my voice, and I was still shaking. The next day,

619
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 2>I got up and I went to the ranger station

620
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:15.880
<v Speaker 2>named all Glacier. I found a ranger and I told

621
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.519
<v Speaker 2>him about my experience, and he told me that after

622
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I kind of went over the same thing I just

623
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:29.519
<v Speaker 2>told you. He just listen, here's writing information down. And

624
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 2>then when I finished, Wow, he says, we had several

625
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>reports of sightings.

626
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 4>Is that.

627
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you saw, but it's many people.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw something like that over there. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>doctor the Ringcoats sal.

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<v Speaker 4>Want Robert Alli.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know Robert Alli.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm there, not too long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Cool. There's a story in his book, the same trail,

634
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<v Speaker 2>the same parking lot. Yeah, if you have the book,

635
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.760
<v Speaker 2>go look it up. That's on there. About three ladies

636
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 2>who were there, grew up together and their mothers and

637
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<v Speaker 2>everything they did. They probably did the West Clayfter trail there,

638
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<v Speaker 2>and they came back and they weren't ready to go home. Yeah,

639
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>they both tired and they were just tending around this

640
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<v Speaker 2>fire and this big hairy man approached him on the

641
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<v Speaker 2>side of the fire and when they saw him the

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<v Speaker 2>distance here, asking how are you what do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>When it got closer and they saw that it was

644
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<v Speaker 2>huge and it was all covered in the air, they

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<v Speaker 2>just screamed, and whatever things they had left around the

646
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<v Speaker 2>fire they left. They ran to their cars and pore

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<v Speaker 2>out of that parking lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I can imagine. Yeah, a lot of people don't understand

649
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<v Speaker 4>when you get that freaked out, if it ain't already

650
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 4>in your hands are easy to grab, you don't really

651
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<v Speaker 4>give a flying rats ask what you're leaving behind. It's irrelevant. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they can have that one. Yeah, whatever it may be.

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<v Speaker 4>But it seemed like the ranger that you shared that with,

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<v Speaker 4>he seemed to take it serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he didn't to mock me or make any remarks

656
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<v Speaker 2>that put me down. You just listen with kind of

657
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<v Speaker 2>surprise me.

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<v Speaker 4>I just wonder how many of those guys that worked

659
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<v Speaker 4>those jobs, because yeah, I've heard reports of them just saying, oh,

660
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<v Speaker 4>what you saw was a bear and not even listening

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<v Speaker 4>to the people. They would just immediately interject and say

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<v Speaker 4>it was a bear, and then whatever they have to

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<v Speaker 4>say about whatever the incidents was Yeah, it would always

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's just a bear.

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<v Speaker 2>You were dealing with the bear. It was a bear. Yeah,

666
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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't do that with us. They obviously knew I

667
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<v Speaker 2>was to be good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's a certain types you can get away with,

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<v Speaker 4>not to lifelong.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually born on the woods, and we know the woods,

671
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<v Speaker 2>and we know everything that's in the woods.

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<v Speaker 4>And known to go to war too. Just read the

673
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<v Speaker 4>Battle of Sitka and the rest in fur Traders they

674
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<v Speaker 4>got out real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I meant that we were just fred countries, the American,

676
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<v Speaker 2>Spain and France and Rush got Yeah, we just paired

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who came a horror.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a totally different story. There a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people they don't understand that there was warlike tribes up

680
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<v Speaker 4>here as well, because they only hear about the Plains

681
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<v Speaker 4>Indians and all the stuff that happened there. They're shocked

682
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<v Speaker 4>when they hear something about like the Battle of Sitka

683
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<v Speaker 4>where the fur Traders and the Russians got massacred. They

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<v Speaker 4>had some hostages and the chief or something that traded

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<v Speaker 4>himself for some of his tribesmen. But that night the

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<v Speaker 4>Clinkets came aboard and took their chief back, and the

687
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<v Speaker 4>captain and just made it clear that while you're asleep,

688
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<v Speaker 4>will steal your captain, and we can make things happen too.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of thing, which if you're on a big ass

690
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<v Speaker 4>ship and you think you're all tough and mighty, and

691
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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden you wake up being carried off

692
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<v Speaker 4>on a stick by the locals, you've got to reevaluate

693
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<v Speaker 4>your sense of power because it all goes out the

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<v Speaker 4>window when you're getting hauled away by the locals.

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<v Speaker 2>The Russians in their forts in Sitka back in the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen hundreds, that's the calend is written by an Orthodox priest,

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<v Speaker 2>a Russian Orthodox priest. I said they you know, early

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, it must have been. He doesn't know

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<v Speaker 2>how early it was, pitt Black. All of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>you heard your war cries coming across from Edgecombe Island,

701
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<v Speaker 2>which is small island. It's connected down with the bridge

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<v Speaker 2>to Sitka, but that's where the clinkets were. The Russian

703
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<v Speaker 2>capital was on the mainland in Sitka. And heard all

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<v Speaker 2>these war cries, and then looked over there and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of men running down to the water, and

706
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<v Speaker 2>there was snowing out, and all the men were naked,

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<v Speaker 2>and they all got into their water and started swimming.

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<v Speaker 2>They just couldn't believe it. After a while splash around

709
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<v Speaker 2>the water, they all gone back up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna thank you, Sonny for coming back on clearing

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<v Speaker 4>some of that stuff up. But I want to thank

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<v Speaker 4>you again for joining me, and I look forward to

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<v Speaker 4>having you back on the channel coming this July. When

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<v Speaker 4>you make it up this way to the viewers, we

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<v Speaker 4>shall catch you guys on the next They.

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<v Speaker 3>Say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be word lop it chop this job,

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<v Speaker 3>chid everything back the joy for me, Joy stay right

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<v Speaker 3>aways inside and still consists.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside and still said sass inside s inside stas State

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<v Speaker 2>stills its fast stay pass stist.

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<v Speaker 4>Assistants insist