Speaker 1: Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Kathleen Martin.
Speaker 2: You're listening to UFO Headquarters, Beautiful Headquarters. Welcome to another exciting,
Speaker 2: interesting episode of You Have Headquarters and a great, great,
Speaker 2: big shout out to Kathleen Martin for that wonderful intro.
Speaker 2: Kathleen is a wonderful person a guest on the show,
Speaker 2: and just ray Linda just a great.
Speaker 1: Person, oh, one of the best.
Speaker 2: All clearing, that intro never gets old, like, but I
Speaker 2: am coming from a very cold, cold, cold New York
Speaker 2: and Linda is not.
Speaker 1: So I am from a very warm, warm, toasty Florida,
Speaker 1: where all sane people should spend the winter. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I got an email a couple of weeks ago from
Speaker 1: someone who was recommending a UFO related video and he mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know that he's had you know, very much into
Speaker 1: this for years. He's had sightings going back to nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty five period goodbye, and I got back to like, wait,
Speaker 1: you can't leave me hanging. Tell me you've had multiple
Speaker 1: sightings going back to the sixties. So he wants to
Speaker 1: remain anonymous, which of course we will always honor.
Speaker 2: And he.
Speaker 1: Sent some mind boggling cases. So I thought, this is
Speaker 1: a whole episode here, you know, that will go through
Speaker 1: all of these and you know they're quite varied, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, and I think people, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of people who say, wait,
Speaker 1: I had something similar happen.
Speaker 2: So ye, that's what I'm hoping too, that this is
Speaker 2: going to inspire some other people to reach out with
Speaker 2: similar experiences from the same time period. Yeah, great corroborative evidence,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all the way back to sixty five. If
Speaker 1: you want to jump in with his first one.
Speaker 2: I will jump in going back to nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to read his words, Okay. First sighting
Speaker 2: fifth grade nineteen sixty five, during the Great Northeast Blackout,
Speaker 2: a friend of mine and I were standing outside in
Speaker 2: Briar cliff, Manor, New York, taking in the scene of
Speaker 2: electric light free darkness in our small apartment complex courtyard
Speaker 2: that night. At one point I looked directly overhead and
Speaker 2: noticed a fine ring of white light that looked pretty
Speaker 2: high up. It looked small to the sensed distance, but
Speaker 2: I am guessing it may have been rather large. I
Speaker 2: watched it for about a minute. Eventually it made a
Speaker 2: distinct gyroscopic twisting motion and shot straight up out of sight.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I didn't say anything to my friend.
Speaker 2: I instantly knew I had seen something of great significance
Speaker 2: that forever changed my perception of the world and also
Speaker 2: people's knowledge and attitudes about everyday life. There was more
Speaker 2: going on here than most people think. I didn't mention
Speaker 2: it to anyone at home either. Somehow, in my low
Speaker 2: communication family, I didn't feel it would be received in
Speaker 2: any meaningful way. The experience stayed with me. I began
Speaker 2: reading UFO books and even did a seventh grade school
Speaker 2: book report on Frank Edwards flying Saucers serious Business, which
Speaker 2: meant a great deal to me. What sparked a little
Speaker 2: interest from my class it's an only puzzlement from the teacher.
Speaker 2: Years later I learned that there were many UFO sightings
Speaker 2: during the blackout, and it was even discussed in Congress.
Speaker 2: That just resonated with me. I know, lind I the
Speaker 2: listeners can't see. We can see each other doing this,
Speaker 2: and I could see you reacting the same way, because
Speaker 2: I I feel like I I know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: I was that kid doing book reports on UFOs.
Speaker 1: Right and Frank Edward serious.
Speaker 2: None of my classmates were interested in it, and the
Speaker 2: teacher just looked at me like I was weird.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yes, we can definitely relate to this.
Speaker 2: I get it. It's it's so genuine, like that emotion
Speaker 2: and that again being young, but also that common theme
Speaker 2: we hear over and over. I knew it was going
Speaker 2: to be things changed to me.
Speaker 1: So fifth grade, you're, what about ten years old? You
Speaker 1: have this experience that changes the rest of your life,
Speaker 1: at least your outlook. But yeah, a couple things I
Speaker 1: loved with this. You know. First of all, the great
Speaker 1: Northeast Blackout. I think I've probably mentioned this before. We
Speaker 1: were talking about there were a lot of Orange County
Speaker 1: cases Pine Bush, Middletown that night, and of course they
Speaker 1: were UFOs were seen all over the Northeast that night.
Speaker 1: I've probably told the story where my recollection. I was
Speaker 1: a very little kid and my brother and I had
Speaker 1: this big can or container of marbles and we had
Speaker 1: just accidentally knocked it over and sent several hundred marbles
Speaker 1: across the living room floor when the lights went out.
Speaker 1: My mother was not amused, but yeah, in a fascinating
Speaker 1: night to so to get one more witness, you know,
Speaker 1: to that event is so important. How many years you know,
Speaker 1: what are we uh sixty years later to get to
Speaker 1: still have a witness from that And the other thing
Speaker 1: I just loved when he's talking about this fine ring
Speaker 1: of white lights that gave a gyroscopic twist. I could
Speaker 1: I could have instantly picture the type of movement. Did
Speaker 1: you have one of those metal gyroscopes with the string
Speaker 1: You pulled the string to get it spinning, and so
Speaker 1: it it's spinning, but it's also kind of wobbling on
Speaker 1: its axis a little.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that was a great description, and to be
Speaker 2: you could tell this is a vivid memory for him
Speaker 2: even sixty years later, right, which you know he's not.
Speaker 2: Oh it was a ring of lights. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: very detailed about what he saw, how it moved, and
Speaker 2: what his perception of it of it was. That really
Speaker 2: stands out right regular eyewitness report.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So as soon as I read this, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait to re read the other ones.
Speaker 1: But why don't we take our first break, leave our
Speaker 1: real audience hanging, and come back for the others.
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Speaker 2: We are back and we have just left nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 2: the Great Blackout. I was not born yet. A couple
Speaker 2: of years later I would come along, so no memory
Speaker 2: of the Great Blackout. It was all a blackout for me.
Speaker 1: It was all a blackout. Yeah, Bob was alive then,
Speaker 1: but it's still a blackout for him.
Speaker 2: I'm curious because we had a mix up in the notes,
Speaker 2: so a lot of the notes for this I don't
Speaker 2: know where they went in my computer or cyberspace. So
Speaker 2: some of this is going to be a surprise to me.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to hear some of what this
Speaker 2: gentleman experiences in life as it progresses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so he mentions that I'll again read his
Speaker 1: words after the experience. UFOs resonated in my mind, not
Speaker 1: as a preoccupation, but as an accepted part of life,
Speaker 1: especially walking outdoors at night. I often wonder if I'll
Speaker 1: see another you know. He kept up with books and
Speaker 1: newspapers and stories on the subject and will occasionally bring
Speaker 1: up in it up in a conversation you know, with
Speaker 1: and other people who sometime have a story. So again
Speaker 1: the word I just love the way he's writing this.
Speaker 1: UFOs were not a preoccupation, just an accepted part of life.
Speaker 1: So he didn't go off the deep end and put
Speaker 1: on a tinfoil hat and you know, go crazy with this.
Speaker 1: He just realized this is part of life.
Speaker 2: Again, I go back to it's kind of like how
Speaker 2: probably you felt or I felt like reading about this
Speaker 2: stuff as a kid, it just felt like it was normal,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, it was unusual, but it didn't feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, didn't feel like we were I was
Speaker 2: experiencing anything or reading about things that were out there
Speaker 2: and so crazy to me was like, okay, there's UFOs.
Speaker 2: How come no one else is as interested in this?
Speaker 2: Like right, I just thought this is like a fascinating
Speaker 2: part of what's going on around those but yet no
Speaker 2: one else. So this this guy really I identify with
Speaker 2: this guy a lot.
Speaker 1: Did you write this, Mike?
Speaker 2: No? You know, But again, I guess it's that passion
Speaker 2: that triggered what what interests you would interest me throughout
Speaker 2: our whole lives. The pursuit of the unusual is because
Speaker 2: to us. The unusual was kind of like normal.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can say that again.
Speaker 2: Or whatever, but yeah, so I really can see this
Speaker 2: guy and where he's coming from, and I can appreciate that,
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, late him on a personal level.
Speaker 1: So here's number two. I didn't see anymore for years
Speaker 1: after that. The next unusual sighting, around nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 1: was on a hillside outside of Amherst, Massachusetts. It was
Speaker 1: a distinct, erratic, rapidly flashing white strobe type light that
Speaker 1: raced across the horizon parallel and close to the ground.
Speaker 1: Had a speed many times faster than an airplane or jet.
Speaker 1: It crossed the unobstructed horizon view in about a second.
Speaker 1: I was amazed and told my girlfriend who was there,
Speaker 1: And suddenly another one did the same thing. So crossing
Speaker 1: the horizon in a second, I have no idea how
Speaker 1: fast that has to be. Of course, you need to
Speaker 1: know the distance away to be able to figure out
Speaker 1: how fast. But this wasn't what did I just see?
Speaker 1: Did I hallucinate that? Because then a second one comes by,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought that was also another very interesting one.
Speaker 1: And there's two witnesses again. All right, so let's go
Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty three. Oh yeah, we'll have a we'll
Speaker 1: have a little bit to unpack here, the famous wave
Speaker 1: of the eighties in the Hut, the Hudson Valley wave.
Speaker 1: And if you were driving on Route eighty four in
Speaker 1: eighty three eighty four and didn't see anything, you must
Speaker 1: have had your eyes closed. So here's here's this one.
Speaker 1: It's a little more involved. The next sighting was probably
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, and it was the Route eighty four
Speaker 1: craft experience. I was driving with a friend east on
Speaker 1: eighty four, and I think we had passed the Taconic Parkway,
Speaker 1: and suddenly I noticed a large mass of red, blue,
Speaker 1: and green lights coming down from the north. I have
Speaker 1: my pilot's license, so I know what standard standard lighting is,
Speaker 1: and this was nothing of that sort. It was difficult
Speaker 1: to judge the distance and size, and the lights were
Speaker 1: bright enough to obscure any visible shape. The light pattern
Speaker 1: was like three triangles in a row, with one light
Speaker 1: at the vertex of each corner of the triangle. It
Speaker 1: approached the highway behind us and started following eighty four
Speaker 1: going east. It was going faster than the cars and
Speaker 1: passed by my car. At that point A state police
Speaker 1: car passed with its lights flashing. It seemed like maybe
Speaker 1: he had been alerted that it was coming. Cars were
Speaker 1: now stopping and parking on the sides of the road.
Speaker 1: It went up ahead about a half a mile in
Speaker 1: full view, and then ate a tight flat turn and
Speaker 1: headed back towards us as we drove, not positive, but
Speaker 1: seemed to recall that perhaps the orientation of the lights
Speaker 1: didn't change. It passed us again, going the opposite direction
Speaker 1: and did the same routine of going about a half
Speaker 1: a mile and turning with the police following. It then
Speaker 1: came back and literally seemed to be pacing my car
Speaker 1: at a distance. This is the strangest part. I was
Speaker 1: watching it out my side window while driving and suddenly
Speaker 1: had the thought in my head to think the phrase,
Speaker 1: if you can hear me, give me a signal. At
Speaker 1: that precise moment, all the lights changed to a white
Speaker 1: trapezoid shape below the three triangle shape which went out.
Speaker 1: I had never thought much about telepathic communication with youf
Speaker 1: Hose before. I don't know where the idea came from. Subsequently,
Speaker 1: I have heard you say many people feel they have
Speaker 1: a telepathic connection, so maybe there is some intuitive channel
Speaker 1: that is open when they're around. Unfortunately, we were late
Speaker 1: for an important meeting, so we couldn't stay and watch more.
Speaker 1: There wasn't any missing time, but I don't remember exactly
Speaker 1: how we left the situation behind. I do remember being
Speaker 1: disappointed and decided we were running too late to stay.
Speaker 1: I recently found a photo of similar triangle shape lights,
Speaker 1: and he's comparing it to the Lubbock lights incident. So, wow,
Speaker 1: where do we start?
Speaker 2: Well, I know Brian can relate. I mean, how does
Speaker 2: the trooper call that in high speed pursuit of a UFO?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get a few days off after that.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm just thinking, how does that even? How
Speaker 2: do you even put that on the radio? How's that
Speaker 2: conversation going? But the fact that there's a you know,
Speaker 2: that they witnessed a state police vehicle, you know, sort
Speaker 2: of following it or intercepting it, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, state police following it, comes back. Then they're
Speaker 1: chasing it back the other way. And I love, you know,
Speaker 1: at the beginning, I love this when he says, I
Speaker 1: have my pilot's license and these lights were nothing like
Speaker 1: standard lights. So again, this isn't Joe Smith, who doesn't
Speaker 1: know a paper airplane from a leer jet. So this
Speaker 1: is somebody who knows airplane lighting, which is you know,
Speaker 1: we love pilot witness statements. But that point where I
Speaker 1: thought in my head to think the phrase if you
Speaker 1: can hear me, give me a sign, and then all
Speaker 1: instantaneously the lights change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ef. It's just to sort of happen like
Speaker 2: he doesn't know why. It's not like a pre planned Well,
Speaker 2: if I ever see a UFO again, I'm gonna ask you, like, hey,
Speaker 2: can you In fact, it just seems to be a
Speaker 2: spontaneous reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was talking to Gary about this, and Gary
Speaker 1: Trivert who's been on the show and did our theme
Speaker 1: song and also did the quick plug. He did the
Speaker 1: UFOs over Pine Bush song, which you can get on
Speaker 1: band camp. But I said to him, what do you
Speaker 1: think about that? You know that so many people like
Speaker 1: on the highways suddenly have this psychic connection and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, what is your theory on this?
Speaker 1: And he said, is it the UFO beaming that thought
Speaker 1: out to everybody there and see who responds? Or were
Speaker 1: they targeting him? And I thought, well, that's that's a
Speaker 1: great question because I'm thinking this witness maybe he thought
Speaker 1: this and somehow there was this connection so they responded.
Speaker 1: But I love the idea maybe they put that thought
Speaker 1: in his head.
Speaker 2: That's that's a really fascinating observation that Gary had. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sort of like sending out a broadcast signal to see
Speaker 2: who picks it up. And maybe not. Everybody's got their
Speaker 2: radio tuned in to whatever their frequency. But this person
Speaker 2: who and thos who else in those cars sitting in
Speaker 2: a car at that very moment too, had a very
Speaker 2: similar experience. Maybe some people can't and may have. That's
Speaker 2: a fascinating observation.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm carry that's brilliant. I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: know I would have that. I mean, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: thinking it was initiated by the witness. But this also
Speaker 1: reminds me we've I think we covered not too long ago,
Speaker 1: the man who was on eighty four, of course during
Speaker 1: the eighties, and he thought he'd like to see this
Speaker 1: thing come closer. And it turned around and immediately and
Speaker 1: started coming closer, and then he thought, oh crap, and
Speaker 1: he starts screaming, no, no, go away. You know, he panics,
Speaker 1: and then the craft goes away. Maybe again that was
Speaker 1: the thing. Do you want us to come closer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what we need. We need one more level
Speaker 1: of questions to all of this.
Speaker 2: Always more questions and answers.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's okay, that's we love it. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining, he later and later correspondence. You know,
Speaker 1: it seemed to me that he was saying this was
Speaker 1: a solid object. But he's he's now that he's thinking
Speaker 1: about it. He's wondering it could have Could it have
Speaker 1: been multiple objects in a tight pattern, but they seem
Speaker 1: to have had to keep that pattern precisely. Uh so,
Speaker 1: whether it was one big object or several clearly another
Speaker 1: yet one more piece of evidence for.
Speaker 2: The don't ultra lights flying information?
Speaker 1: Oh let me see. I'll get back to him on that.
Speaker 1: See what he thinks is those damn ultra lights. People
Speaker 1: can't see when.
Speaker 2: You're bored and just want to jump on an ultra
Speaker 2: light at night and flying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people can't see me shaking my fist and anger,
Speaker 1: or those cessnas who thought it was so funny to
Speaker 1: fly information and you know, make people drive off the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, now that you've got me all hepped up
Speaker 1: on ultra lights. Why don't we take our second break.
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Speaker 2: This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. My apologies to
Speaker 2: the ultra light community out there, by the way, who
Speaker 2: does not fly information and try to imitate UFOs. By
Speaker 2: the way, no offense culture lighters what I have And
Speaker 2: I know you've been on them, so you're much braver
Speaker 2: than I.
Speaker 1: And Bob used to fly them. Okay, no, someday you
Speaker 1: should do it. It is a fabulous experience. Just don't
Speaker 1: try to pretend to be a UFO. So what do
Speaker 1: you think of our witness so far?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's he's unique in his perspective
Speaker 2: because of his fact that he knows what he's looking
Speaker 2: at a little bit more than the average person who
Speaker 2: may not necessarily know what an aircraft light looks like.
Speaker 2: And like it's going back years now, how many times
Speaker 2: does it seem like when people have one experience, they
Speaker 2: tend to have their lifetime. They have experience after experience,
Speaker 2: spread throughout decades, not just years. Decades. Yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 2: fact that you know, again, Gary brings up to great point,
Speaker 2: you know, I was assuming the same thing. You're assuming
Speaker 2: that he's communicating with them, but maybe it's their initiating
Speaker 2: the phone call, and he's one of the few that
Speaker 2: could actually answer that call at that moment.
Speaker 1: Right, he got it, he heard it.
Speaker 2: Yes, so our our witnesses like this selected. You know,
Speaker 2: is there a reason certain people have these repeat experiences
Speaker 2: and others see nothing or maybe see something go maybe
Speaker 2: it was a UFO, I don't know. It looked weird,
Speaker 2: but that's all they ever experienced. Whereas this, this, this
Speaker 2: witness is just amazing. He's a great witness, and he's
Speaker 2: got that lifelong experience so far.
Speaker 1: Which yeah, but wait, there's more they say on the infomercials.
Speaker 1: So this is this is a little different, and it's
Speaker 1: an indoor experience. So let me get into this one,
Speaker 1: all right. So number four, this is the one that
Speaker 1: made me decide to contact you. Watching your videos on
Speaker 1: the Danbury Library site, I saw the one where the
Speaker 1: disk turned into a barbell shape and shrank and disappeared.
Speaker 1: I had an indoor experience that is similar. Around nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty three. I was asleep in a room in New paulse,
Speaker 1: New York. My sister was visiting and sleeping on the
Speaker 1: other side of the room. We were paralleled to each
Speaker 1: other about fifteen feet apart. I woke to see two
Speaker 1: very distinct barbell shaped objects floating in the air. This
Speaker 1: is inside the room. They were composed of lines of
Speaker 1: white light. One was based on square shapes, like two
Speaker 1: cubes shaped two cube shaped boxes with a long rectangular
Speaker 1: shaft connecting them. The other was based on a sphere shape,
Speaker 1: so it was like two globes with a tapered round
Speaker 1: shaft connecting them into a barbel shape. They consisted entirely
Speaker 1: of precise lines of white light. The cubes had a
Speaker 1: graph paper pattern on them, and the globes had latitude
Speaker 1: and longitude type pattern. They were about seven feet long
Speaker 1: each and were floating about four feet off the floor.
Speaker 1: They took up a lot of space. They were floating
Speaker 1: in the same direction as our bodies, side by side,
Speaker 1: almost like one represented me and one represented my sister.
Speaker 1: I looked at them for about fifteen seconds, and they
Speaker 1: started to dim out and disappear. I wasn't scared or shocked.
Speaker 1: I went back to sleep. I didn't tell my sister
Speaker 1: until about a year later. I seemed to have a
Speaker 1: pattern of absorbing these experiences without a particularly strong emotional reaction.
Speaker 1: It might be familiarity or shock. By the way, years later,
Speaker 1: there was a very strong odor in that same room.
Speaker 1: It was like a combination of an electrical fire and
Speaker 1: a skunk. We actually called the landlord at one am
Speaker 1: to check it out. It took a few hours to dissipate.
Speaker 1: There was no fire or short circuit. I drew pictures
Speaker 1: of the barbells and brought them to the famous Poughkeepsie
Speaker 1: UFO conference organized by Peter Gerson about that time. I
Speaker 1: showed the picture to Whitley Strieber, who was a speaker there,
Speaker 1: and he didn't comment and said maybe I should show
Speaker 1: them to Bud Hopkins, who was also there, but he
Speaker 1: also had no interest. It's been all this time till
Speaker 1: I saw the barbell in your video and that I
Speaker 1: got a confirmation of some sort. Thank you. So I
Speaker 1: don't know where to go with this. I've heard, you know,
Speaker 1: balls of light moving through people's homes, seeing figures, seeing
Speaker 1: all and the description and he drew a great sketch
Speaker 1: of like this grid pattern on this square barbell and
Speaker 1: round barbell in the same orientation as a scoping out.
Speaker 1: It was there one there to check him out and
Speaker 1: one there to check his sister. I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you make of this?
Speaker 2: This one threw me off. I don't know. I like
Speaker 2: you said, we've heard of apple russ or lights, you know,
Speaker 2: like the small balls of light, but barbells. It's very unusual.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And and not just amorphous blobs the way he said,
Speaker 1: you know, fine lines of white light. Was it a craft?
Speaker 1: Was it just some sort of energy?
Speaker 2: And the unemotional response, like he's not having a fear reaction.
Speaker 2: He's not you know, he's not going into this mode
Speaker 2: where you could say, well, maybe this is what he
Speaker 2: thought he saw. But he also panicked or he sounds
Speaker 2: like he's very calm, and so I'm not sure I
Speaker 2: would be as calm if I saw that, I mean outside,
Speaker 2: I might be a little more calm. But if I'm
Speaker 2: in the house and see that in mya.
Speaker 1: In your bedroom, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's I'm not sure what what And again it goes
Speaker 2: down to what are these things to begin with?
Speaker 1: Axctly, I like the way he said, you know he
Speaker 1: is he calm due to familiarity or shock? You know,
Speaker 1: maybe these things yeah, a little a little bit, a
Speaker 1: little bit of both. But if anybody else has had
Speaker 1: anything similar, I'd really love to hear it, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure the way I will pass it on to the
Speaker 1: witness as well. Uh. Yeah, we've heard all kinds of things,
Speaker 1: strange lights, colored lights, things that seem to move through
Speaker 1: the house, almost like ball lightning. But this is very
Speaker 1: unique and very specific. And uh. As I was reading
Speaker 1: this for the first time for myself, as he's describing it,
Speaker 1: kind of in my head, I thought, oh, there's one
Speaker 1: for him and there's one for his sister. And then
Speaker 1: I read the line where you know, was this one
Speaker 1: for me and one for him? And I thought, okay, that's.
Speaker 2: Uh, and it makes sense to me. And they're differently
Speaker 2: shaped that that does represent two different people, two different
Speaker 2: you know, a male and a female that they're checking out.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, I you know, I don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of frame of reference for this. You know,
Speaker 1: there has the story he's talking about. I spoke at
Speaker 1: Danbury Library one of the conferences we have there, and
Speaker 1: I remember the case. This UFO is literally chasing this
Speaker 1: girl down the street. She's hysterical and she looks at
Speaker 1: it and it changes to a a dumbbell, you know,
Speaker 1: a barbell shape, which is amazing, and then shrinks to
Speaker 1: a little dot and is gone. So just boy, I
Speaker 1: love this stuff. I can't explain it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: And just when you think you've heard the most unique
Speaker 2: and odd ball description of something, someone says, hold my beer,
Speaker 2: I got a better like this one. I never would have.
Speaker 1: Guessed no, no, but what a what a disappointment though
Speaker 1: that neither Whitley, Dreeber or Bud Hopkins had any interest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I was. I was thinking that I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to say it, but I was like, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: you want to.
Speaker 1: Talk about things strange fields of energy and light in
Speaker 1: people's bedrooms?
Speaker 2: Okay, I know it's well, I guess maybe you know,
Speaker 2: looking at it from the more the more well known.
Speaker 2: At that time, they were, especially at a conference, if
Speaker 2: they indulged everybody, they probably speaking privately to people for hours.
Speaker 2: As you know, yes we sometimes have. You know, people
Speaker 2: come up to us afterwards and it's hard to hard
Speaker 2: to get a breath in because everybody wants to.
Speaker 1: Talk right right.
Speaker 2: You try to share the enthusiasm but sometimes I know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we wouldn't be able to say no to
Speaker 2: a bar bell store, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, here is the fifth and final one
Speaker 1: again in New Pulse. I have a lot of cases
Speaker 1: from New Pulse, very active. Is this one's around nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three. I came out of the Concadoro restaurant one
Speaker 1: night around eight pm. It was on the top of
Speaker 1: the hill on the main street, in the dense populated,
Speaker 1: active downtown part with all the stores you're familiar with
Speaker 1: New Poles, right, Yeah. I looked down the hill and
Speaker 1: from between the buildings to the right, an object about
Speaker 1: the size of a car shot out about ten feet
Speaker 1: above the road and very quickly maneuvered crossed the road
Speaker 1: and went between the buildings. It had multiple colored lights
Speaker 1: all over it, and I could discern a shit, I
Speaker 1: couldn't discern a shape again, probably the lights are blocking
Speaker 1: the shape of the craft. The motion was very strange
Speaker 1: and quick. It reminded me of the quick movements of
Speaker 1: a frightened rat. Okay, stealthy and impossibly fast. Not only
Speaker 1: did it cross the road, but it was making a
Speaker 1: very quick altitude adjustments. It all happened very fast. One
Speaker 1: other person down the hill saw it and said, we
Speaker 1: just saw UFO and we both laughed. The whole thing
Speaker 1: seemed impossible, the speed the maneuvers, and it didn't hit
Speaker 1: anything in a dense space. I don't know why we
Speaker 1: didn't walk down to see if we could see anything more.
Speaker 1: Maybe shock, or maybe we assumed it was long gone. Wow.
Speaker 1: The only thing I can compare this to the Pine
Speaker 1: Bush sighting and back in the nineties. I by early
Speaker 1: two thousands when somebody saw a car sized craft hovering
Speaker 1: directly over the street light, right over the main part
Speaker 1: of town, not far from, you know, just a couple
Speaker 1: doors down from the uf Own Museum. So maneuvering through
Speaker 1: the you know, through the narrow spaces between the building.
Speaker 1: What the hell?
Speaker 2: These are some of the most unique stories I've ever heard,
Speaker 2: witness accounts. I should stay someone has seen something so
Speaker 2: different to what we normally hear. I wonder what he's experienced,
Speaker 2: and he might not remember. Yeah, I always I always
Speaker 2: go back to that in my head, like this is
Speaker 2: what he recalls. But what doesn't he recall? You know,
Speaker 2: I don't one experience he didn't have, missing time, But
Speaker 2: is there other instances of things where you know he's
Speaker 2: had experiences and doesn't remember them, like maybe personal contact
Speaker 2: or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in this case for him, and again another
Speaker 1: witness one of the most remarkable things you'll ever see
Speaker 1: in your entire life, and they're like, hey, we saw
Speaker 1: UFO laugh and they go about their business. It's like,
Speaker 1: nothing more to see here. How many times, you know,
Speaker 1: we somebody has this unbelievable sighting right in you know,
Speaker 1: ten feet over their car. It's like eight eight people
Speaker 1: see it and then they go home and go to
Speaker 1: bed and don't talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. I don't understand that. But again everybody
Speaker 2: perceives them differently, I guess, and it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's the Jedi mind trick. Nothing to see here, move along.
Speaker 2: I'd be Project blue Book.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So I would love to hear if
Speaker 1: anybody had anything similar. I told somebody else. Actually I
Speaker 1: mentioned this to mister Burns who was recently on, and
Speaker 1: he's like, he was so excited that you know, this
Speaker 1: was a UFO going through building, you know, passing through
Speaker 1: building's case, that is so rare, so rare. So again,
Speaker 1: anybody from New pulse or anywhere else you ever have
Speaker 1: anything like that? And here's a question, what the heck
Speaker 1: was this thing doing?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Why is it ten feet off the ground in downtown
Speaker 1: Newpolse going between buildings right right?
Speaker 2: That's not college kids?
Speaker 1: Yeah probably, I mean that doesn't give you a warm,
Speaker 1: fuzzy feeling.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to see something, you know, a mile
Speaker 1: up in the sky. It's another thing to have it,
Speaker 1: you know, passing by your second story window in.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's a very good point too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I wish I had an explanation for all
Speaker 1: of these, but it brings up some really amazing questions
Speaker 1: again that we do not have answers for. But if
Speaker 1: anything we just talked about you out there have had
Speaker 1: something similar, please get in touch. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: we both just love getting the These are amazing and
Speaker 1: and you know, my first response to him was, you know, fascinating, well,
Speaker 1: you know, well written, just amazing encounters. And the second
Speaker 1: one was essentially, oh, why didn't I have this before
Speaker 1: the big you know, published the Big Hudson Valley UFO's book,
Speaker 1: because this would have had a place of honor in this.
Speaker 2: In these edition coming up.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm probably going to have to do it at
Speaker 1: some point because it just see this is that you
Speaker 1: know cases sixty, you know, sixty years old, forty years old,
Speaker 1: fifty years old, they're still coming out and they need
Speaker 1: to be part of the record. So at least we
Speaker 1: have this podcast to get them on the record and
Speaker 1: other people can hear them and hopefully add to them.
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe somebody who was sitting on the eighty
Speaker 1: four that night and saw the lights change and saw
Speaker 1: the state trooper race one way and raise the other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe somebody in Newpaulse had seen something similar. So Lee
Speaker 1: let us know.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that people do see that. You know, when
Speaker 2: it comes to confidentiality, that it's something it's taken very seriously.
Speaker 2: You know, someone can send in their experiences like this
Speaker 2: and know that if they don't want their name used
Speaker 2: or anything to identify them, we're not going to do that,
Speaker 2: you know. We there's a level of trust in professionalism
Speaker 2: here that and I think it says a lot that
Speaker 2: that person felt comfortable enough to send them and something
Speaker 2: that they probably didn't talk a lot about.
Speaker 1: No, no, and he was hesitant at first. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want my identity known. I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want any of this. And you know it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me whether you want your full name
Speaker 1: and address out there or I don't even use your
Speaker 1: first name. The important thing is we get these stories
Speaker 1: on the record, and we add to the whole amazing
Speaker 1: story of the Hudson Valley exactly.
Speaker 2: So please, you know, contact if you have a story,
Speaker 2: whether it is related to what we talked about tonight,
Speaker 2: you happen to be at one of these locations or
Speaker 2: completely unrelated your own experiences, if you've never shared them,
Speaker 2: or if you have shared them, we want to hear
Speaker 2: about it. Add to the database of knowledge that's slowly
Speaker 2: building up here. And you know, every little clue I mean, Brian,
Speaker 2: I'm talking to the choir about clues and solving you know,
Speaker 2: crimes and mysteries. Well, you know, we're trying to solve
Speaker 2: unknowns here, so every little piece of information could be
Speaker 2: the vital piece of information that no one else has had,
Speaker 2: or connects to other pieces of information. You know, you
Speaker 2: can really go off on this in so many ways,
Speaker 2: but tell us your story. It's never never dull.
Speaker 1: I guarantee that exactly exactly. So I just want to
Speaker 1: give a heads up to everybody out there. Right before
Speaker 1: we went on the air, Brian, Mike and I are
Speaker 1: talking about we may have a little overnight camping UFO
Speaker 1: excursion somewhere in the Hudson Valley this summer, so stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Maybe Brian, can we do a record a podcast? Absolutely
Speaker 1: excellent as Yeah. So it's uh, it's in a very
Speaker 1: active location and there may be a lot of screaming
Speaker 1: on the recording.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that we've just described the plot of
Speaker 2: like a horror movie. Yeah, oh, UFO watch party and
Speaker 2: a campground. What could go wrong?
Speaker 1: We could go exactly, Well, they'll probably be at least
Speaker 1: four of us who are armed and dangerous that night,
Speaker 1: so it's all.
Speaker 2: Fun and games to there's cattle mutilations and those probes
Speaker 2: come out if you want.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, well if you if you want to bring
Speaker 1: a cattle, some cattle that night, we can do That'd
Speaker 1: love to have a dog there, German shepherd or something
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe we can have somebody bring it. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so yeah, and we're also talking about maybe doing a
Speaker 1: show from Pine Bush. So we've got some interesting things
Speaker 1: and if you have suggestions for shows, let us know. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: we just appreciate everybody who gets in touch with us,
Speaker 1: and we appreciate everybody who listens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Without without people listening, we wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: Well, we might still be doing it, but wou'd be
Speaker 1: a very sad show.
Speaker 2: We would just be talking about it without recording.
Speaker 1: It right right, It would be like the rest of
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