WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.719 Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Kathleen Martin. 2 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:22.160 You're listening to UFO Headquarters, Beautiful Headquarters. Welcome to another exciting, 3 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.199 interesting episode of You Have Headquarters and a great, great, 4 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:29.039 big shout out to Kathleen Martin for that wonderful intro. 5 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:33.159 Kathleen is a wonderful person a guest on the show, 6 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.520 and just ray Linda just a great. 7 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:37.000 Person, oh, one of the best. 8 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:42.719 All clearing, that intro never gets old, like, but I 9 00:00:42.759 --> 00:00:46.840 am coming from a very cold, cold, cold New York 10 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:47.719 and Linda is not. 11 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:55.399 So I am from a very warm, warm, toasty Florida, 12 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:01.560 where all sane people should spend the winter. But yeah, 13 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:05.439 I got an email a couple of weeks ago from 14 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:12.359 someone who was recommending a UFO related video and he mentioned, 15 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:17.359 you know that he's had you know, very much into 16 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:20.719 this for years. He's had sightings going back to nineteen 17 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:27.400 sixty five period goodbye, and I got back to like, wait, 18 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:32.040 you can't leave me hanging. Tell me you've had multiple 19 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:37.079 sightings going back to the sixties. So he wants to 20 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:41.719 remain anonymous, which of course we will always honor. 21 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:42.719 And he. 22 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:51.040 Sent some mind boggling cases. So I thought, this is 23 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:54.120 a whole episode here, you know, that will go through 24 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.840 all of these and you know they're quite varied, and 25 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.640 we'll talk about it, and I think people, I'm sure 26 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:03.799 there's going to be a lot of people who say, wait, 27 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:05.599 I had something similar happen. 28 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.520 So ye, that's what I'm hoping too, that this is 29 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.960 going to inspire some other people to reach out with 30 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:18.280 similar experiences from the same time period. Yeah, great corroborative evidence, 31 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:18.719 I think. 32 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.919 So yeah, all the way back to sixty five. If 33 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.680 you want to jump in with his first one. 34 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:28.240 I will jump in going back to nineteen sixty five, 35 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:32.080 and I'm going to read his words, Okay. First sighting 36 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:38.280 fifth grade nineteen sixty five, during the Great Northeast Blackout, 37 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.159 a friend of mine and I were standing outside in 38 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:44.960 Briar cliff, Manor, New York, taking in the scene of 39 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.800 electric light free darkness in our small apartment complex courtyard 40 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.159 that night. At one point I looked directly overhead and 41 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.120 noticed a fine ring of white light that looked pretty 42 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:02.199 high up. It looked small to the sensed distance, but 43 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:04.879 I am guessing it may have been rather large. I 44 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.599 watched it for about a minute. Eventually it made a 45 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:13.280 distinct gyroscopic twisting motion and shot straight up out of sight. 46 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.560 For some reason, I didn't say anything to my friend. 47 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:21.199 I instantly knew I had seen something of great significance 48 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.080 that forever changed my perception of the world and also 49 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:30.840 people's knowledge and attitudes about everyday life. There was more 50 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.400 going on here than most people think. I didn't mention 51 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:39.280 it to anyone at home either. Somehow, in my low 52 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:42.919 communication family, I didn't feel it would be received in 53 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:47.199 any meaningful way. The experience stayed with me. I began 54 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:50.719 reading UFO books and even did a seventh grade school 55 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:56.240 book report on Frank Edwards flying Saucers serious Business, which 56 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.840 meant a great deal to me. What sparked a little 57 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.680 interest from my class it's an only puzzlement from the teacher. 58 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.680 Years later I learned that there were many UFO sightings 59 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.719 during the blackout, and it was even discussed in Congress. 60 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:15.439 That just resonated with me. I know, lind I the 61 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.160 listeners can't see. We can see each other doing this, 62 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:23.560 and I could see you reacting the same way, because 63 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:28.040 I I feel like I I know what he's talking about. 64 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.279 I was that kid doing book reports on UFOs. 65 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:33.560 Right and Frank Edward serious. 66 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.000 None of my classmates were interested in it, and the 67 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:39.600 teacher just looked at me like I was weird. 68 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:44.040 So yeah, yes, we can definitely relate to this. 69 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:50.319 I get it. It's it's so genuine, like that emotion 70 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:54.800 and that again being young, but also that common theme 71 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.000 we hear over and over. I knew it was going 72 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:58.839 to be things changed to me. 73 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:05.199 So fifth grade, you're, what about ten years old? You 74 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:09.560 have this experience that changes the rest of your life, 75 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:14.079 at least your outlook. But yeah, a couple things I 76 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.160 loved with this. You know. First of all, the great 77 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:20.639 Northeast Blackout. I think I've probably mentioned this before. We 78 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.240 were talking about there were a lot of Orange County 79 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.360 cases Pine Bush, Middletown that night, and of course they 80 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:32.439 were UFOs were seen all over the Northeast that night. 81 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:37.879 I've probably told the story where my recollection. I was 82 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.279 a very little kid and my brother and I had 83 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:46.680 this big can or container of marbles and we had 84 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:51.000 just accidentally knocked it over and sent several hundred marbles 85 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:54.319 across the living room floor when the lights went out. 86 00:05:55.279 --> 00:06:06.040 My mother was not amused, but yeah, in a fascinating 87 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.879 night to so to get one more witness, you know, 88 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:15.600 to that event is so important. How many years you know, 89 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.800 what are we uh sixty years later to get to 90 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:22.439 still have a witness from that And the other thing 91 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:26.560 I just loved when he's talking about this fine ring 92 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:31.959 of white lights that gave a gyroscopic twist. I could 93 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:37.720 I could have instantly picture the type of movement. Did 94 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:41.480 you have one of those metal gyroscopes with the string 95 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.560 You pulled the string to get it spinning, and so 96 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:49.519 it it's spinning, but it's also kind of wobbling on 97 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:50.959 its axis a little. 98 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:55.480 Yeah. That that was a great description, and to be 99 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:57.519 you could tell this is a vivid memory for him 100 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:01.600 even sixty years later, right, which you know he's not. 101 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:03.639 Oh it was a ring of lights. I mean, he's 102 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.800 very detailed about what he saw, how it moved, and 103 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:08.959 what his perception of it of it was. That really 104 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:12.800 stands out right regular eyewitness report. 105 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:16.399 Yeah. Yeah, So as soon as I read this, oh, 106 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:19.680 I can't I can't wait to re read the other ones. 107 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:22.519 But why don't we take our first break, leave our 108 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.800 real audience hanging, and come back for the others. 109 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:35.600 Hudson River Radio dot Com, Hudson River Radio dot Com, 110 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:40.120 a subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment LLC, blasting the competition in 111 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.480 New York's Hudson Valley. 112 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.560 We are back and we have just left nineteen sixty five, 113 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:53.199 the Great Blackout. I was not born yet. A couple 114 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.680 of years later I would come along, so no memory 115 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:58.399 of the Great Blackout. It was all a blackout for me. 116 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:03.040 It was all a blackout. Yeah, Bob was alive then, 117 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:04.600 but it's still a blackout for him. 118 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.959 I'm curious because we had a mix up in the notes, 119 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.279 so a lot of the notes for this I don't 120 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.199 know where they went in my computer or cyberspace. So 121 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:15.920 some of this is going to be a surprise to me. 122 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:18.519 And I can't wait to hear some of what this 123 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.319 gentleman experiences in life as it progresses. 124 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.160 Yeah, okay, so he mentions that I'll again read his 125 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:34.720 words after the experience. UFOs resonated in my mind, not 126 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:40.559 as a preoccupation, but as an accepted part of life, 127 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.840 especially walking outdoors at night. I often wonder if I'll 128 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.440 see another you know. He kept up with books and 129 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:53.159 newspapers and stories on the subject and will occasionally bring 130 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:58.240 up in it up in a conversation you know, with 131 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:02.440 and other people who sometime have a story. So again 132 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.399 the word I just love the way he's writing this. 133 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:12.320 UFOs were not a preoccupation, just an accepted part of life. 134 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:14.919 So he didn't go off the deep end and put 135 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.799 on a tinfoil hat and you know, go crazy with this. 136 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:23.720 He just realized this is part of life. 137 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.759 Again, I go back to it's kind of like how 138 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.080 probably you felt or I felt like reading about this 139 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.279 stuff as a kid, it just felt like it was normal, 140 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:37.240 Like yeah, it was unusual, but it didn't feel like, 141 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:39.200 I don't know, didn't feel like we were I was 142 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.399 experiencing anything or reading about things that were out there 143 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.639 and so crazy to me was like, okay, there's UFOs. 144 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:47.000 How come no one else is as interested in this? 145 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.279 Like right, I just thought this is like a fascinating 146 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.399 part of what's going on around those but yet no 147 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.720 one else. So this this guy really I identify with 148 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:57.440 this guy a lot. 149 00:09:58.759 --> 00:09:59.919 Did you write this, Mike? 150 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.519 No? You know, But again, I guess it's that passion 151 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.720 that triggered what what interests you would interest me throughout 152 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.279 our whole lives. The pursuit of the unusual is because 153 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:13.240 to us. The unusual was kind of like normal. 154 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:16.320 Yes, you can say that again. 155 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:21.879 Or whatever, but yeah, so I really can see this 156 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.879 guy and where he's coming from, and I can appreciate that, 157 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.519 I guess, yeah, late him on a personal level. 158 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.879 So here's number two. I didn't see anymore for years 159 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:39.399 after that. The next unusual sighting, around nineteen seventy seven, 160 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:46.039 was on a hillside outside of Amherst, Massachusetts. It was 161 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:54.240 a distinct, erratic, rapidly flashing white strobe type light that 162 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:59.679 raced across the horizon parallel and close to the ground. 163 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:04.519 Had a speed many times faster than an airplane or jet. 164 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:11.639 It crossed the unobstructed horizon view in about a second. 165 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:16.279 I was amazed and told my girlfriend who was there, 166 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:22.799 And suddenly another one did the same thing. So crossing 167 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.960 the horizon in a second, I have no idea how 168 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.919 fast that has to be. Of course, you need to 169 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.399 know the distance away to be able to figure out 170 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:37.200 how fast. But this wasn't what did I just see? 171 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:42.559 Did I hallucinate that? Because then a second one comes by, 172 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:49.279 So yeah, I thought that was also another very interesting one. 173 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:55.840 And there's two witnesses again. All right, so let's go 174 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:01.799 to nineteen eighty three. Oh yeah, we'll have a we'll 175 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:07.000 have a little bit to unpack here, the famous wave 176 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.360 of the eighties in the Hut, the Hudson Valley wave. 177 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.039 And if you were driving on Route eighty four in 178 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.799 eighty three eighty four and didn't see anything, you must 179 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:23.240 have had your eyes closed. So here's here's this one. 180 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:27.600 It's a little more involved. The next sighting was probably 181 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:31.679 nineteen eighty three, and it was the Route eighty four 182 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:36.759 craft experience. I was driving with a friend east on 183 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:41.120 eighty four, and I think we had passed the Taconic Parkway, 184 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.759 and suddenly I noticed a large mass of red, blue, 185 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:51.799 and green lights coming down from the north. I have 186 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:57.759 my pilot's license, so I know what standard standard lighting is, 187 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:03.279 and this was nothing of that sort. It was difficult 188 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.279 to judge the distance and size, and the lights were 189 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:12.799 bright enough to obscure any visible shape. The light pattern 190 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:17.879 was like three triangles in a row, with one light 191 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:23.080 at the vertex of each corner of the triangle. It 192 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:27.600 approached the highway behind us and started following eighty four 193 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.720 going east. It was going faster than the cars and 194 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:38.840 passed by my car. At that point A state police 195 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:44.679 car passed with its lights flashing. It seemed like maybe 196 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:49.120 he had been alerted that it was coming. Cars were 197 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.759 now stopping and parking on the sides of the road. 198 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:58.039 It went up ahead about a half a mile in 199 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.720 full view, and then ate a tight flat turn and 200 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:09.200 headed back towards us as we drove, not positive, but 201 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.240 seemed to recall that perhaps the orientation of the lights 202 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.679 didn't change. It passed us again, going the opposite direction 203 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:22.519 and did the same routine of going about a half 204 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:27.960 a mile and turning with the police following. It then 205 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:32.840 came back and literally seemed to be pacing my car 206 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:38.559 at a distance. This is the strangest part. I was 207 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:43.279 watching it out my side window while driving and suddenly 208 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:47.120 had the thought in my head to think the phrase, 209 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.639 if you can hear me, give me a signal. At 210 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:57.080 that precise moment, all the lights changed to a white 211 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:03.000 trapezoid shape below the three triangle shape which went out. 212 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:08.240 I had never thought much about telepathic communication with youf 213 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:14.320 Hose before. I don't know where the idea came from. Subsequently, 214 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:18.200 I have heard you say many people feel they have 215 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:24.159 a telepathic connection, so maybe there is some intuitive channel 216 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:29.720 that is open when they're around. Unfortunately, we were late 217 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:33.960 for an important meeting, so we couldn't stay and watch more. 218 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:39.360 There wasn't any missing time, but I don't remember exactly 219 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:44.159 how we left the situation behind. I do remember being 220 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:48.360 disappointed and decided we were running too late to stay. 221 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.360 I recently found a photo of similar triangle shape lights, 222 00:15:53.960 --> 00:16:02.559 and he's comparing it to the Lubbock lights incident. So, wow, 223 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:03.600 where do we start? 224 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.799 Well, I know Brian can relate. I mean, how does 225 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.120 the trooper call that in high speed pursuit of a UFO? 226 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:17.000 Yeah, you get a few days off after that. 227 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.759 I'm thinking, I'm just thinking, how does that even? How 228 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.000 do you even put that on the radio? How's that 229 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:28.759 conversation going? But the fact that there's a you know, 230 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:32.200 that they witnessed a state police vehicle, you know, sort 231 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.639 of following it or intercepting it, whatever you want to 232 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:35.799 call it, it's very interesting. 233 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:40.279 Oh, absolutely, state police following it, comes back. Then they're 234 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:45.279 chasing it back the other way. And I love, you know, 235 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:47.600 at the beginning, I love this when he says, I 236 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:53.240 have my pilot's license and these lights were nothing like 237 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:58.559 standard lights. So again, this isn't Joe Smith, who doesn't 238 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:02.399 know a paper airplane from a leer jet. So this 239 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:08.559 is somebody who knows airplane lighting, which is you know, 240 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:16.920 we love pilot witness statements. But that point where I 241 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.240 thought in my head to think the phrase if you 242 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.640 can hear me, give me a sign, and then all 243 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:26.640 instantaneously the lights change. 244 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:32.000 Yeah, that's ef. It's just to sort of happen like 245 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:35.279 he doesn't know why. It's not like a pre planned Well, 246 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:38.279 if I ever see a UFO again, I'm gonna ask you, like, hey, 247 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.079 can you In fact, it just seems to be a 248 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:42.279 spontaneous reaction. 249 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:47.000 Yeah. I was talking to Gary about this, and Gary 250 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:49.599 Trivert who's been on the show and did our theme 251 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:53.079 song and also did the quick plug. He did the 252 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.079 UFOs over Pine Bush song, which you can get on 253 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:00.960 band camp. But I said to him, what do you 254 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.599 think about that? You know that so many people like 255 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:11.720 on the highways suddenly have this psychic connection and he said, 256 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.000 you know, I said, what is your theory on this? 257 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:21.759 And he said, is it the UFO beaming that thought 258 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:26.920 out to everybody there and see who responds? Or were 259 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:31.519 they targeting him? And I thought, well, that's that's a 260 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:38.440 great question because I'm thinking this witness maybe he thought 261 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:42.559 this and somehow there was this connection so they responded. 262 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:46.559 But I love the idea maybe they put that thought 263 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:47.400 in his head. 264 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:52.440 That's that's a really fascinating observation that Gary had. Yeah, 265 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.519 sort of like sending out a broadcast signal to see 266 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:58.720 who picks it up. And maybe not. Everybody's got their 267 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:04.240 radio tuned in to whatever their frequency. But this person 268 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:07.160 who and thos who else in those cars sitting in 269 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.200 a car at that very moment too, had a very 270 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:15.200 similar experience. Maybe some people can't and may have. That's 271 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:16.480 a fascinating observation. 272 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:22.119 I know, I'm carry that's brilliant. I didn't I didn't 273 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:26.119 know I would have that. I mean, yeah, I was 274 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:31.519 thinking it was initiated by the witness. But this also 275 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:34.720 reminds me we've I think we covered not too long ago, 276 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:39.400 the man who was on eighty four, of course during 277 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:43.920 the eighties, and he thought he'd like to see this 278 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.200 thing come closer. And it turned around and immediately and 279 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.559 started coming closer, and then he thought, oh crap, and 280 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:55.319 he starts screaming, no, no, go away. You know, he panics, 281 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.880 and then the craft goes away. Maybe again that was 282 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.720 the thing. Do you want us to come closer? Yeah, 283 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:10.400 so that's what we need. We need one more level 284 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.240 of questions to all of this. 285 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:16.680 Always more questions and answers. 286 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:20.839 Yes, but that's okay, that's we love it. I'm not 287 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:26.960 I'm not complaining, he later and later correspondence. You know, 288 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:29.680 it seemed to me that he was saying this was 289 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.680 a solid object. But he's he's now that he's thinking 290 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.680 about it. He's wondering it could have Could it have 291 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:41.839 been multiple objects in a tight pattern, but they seem 292 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.119 to have had to keep that pattern precisely. Uh so, 293 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:56.400 whether it was one big object or several clearly another 294 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:01.720 yet one more piece of evidence for. 295 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:04.000 The don't ultra lights flying information? 296 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:06.599 Oh let me see. I'll get back to him on that. 297 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:12.440 See what he thinks is those damn ultra lights. People 298 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:13.920 can't see when. 299 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:15.440 You're bored and just want to jump on an ultra 300 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:16.359 light at night and flying. 301 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.960 Yeah, people can't see me shaking my fist and anger, 302 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:25.160 or those cessnas who thought it was so funny to 303 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:31.519 fly information and you know, make people drive off the road. Yeah, 304 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:33.640 all right, now that you've got me all hepped up 305 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.359 on ultra lights. Why don't we take our second break. 306 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.880 This is Hudson River Radio dot com, your local Rockland 307 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:42.680 County station. 308 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:56.400 This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. My apologies to 309 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:58.680 the ultra light community out there, by the way, who 310 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:03.240 does not fly information and try to imitate UFOs. By 311 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.119 the way, no offense culture lighters what I have And 312 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:08.880 I know you've been on them, so you're much braver 313 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:09.319 than I. 314 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:16.680 And Bob used to fly them. Okay, no, someday you 315 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:20.720 should do it. It is a fabulous experience. Just don't 316 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.000 try to pretend to be a UFO. So what do 317 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:24.759 you think of our witness so far? 318 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.519 I mean, I think he's he's unique in his perspective 319 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:33.240 because of his fact that he knows what he's looking 320 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:35.079 at a little bit more than the average person who 321 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.440 may not necessarily know what an aircraft light looks like. 322 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:44.079 And like it's going back years now, how many times 323 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:48.079 does it seem like when people have one experience, they 324 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:52.079 tend to have their lifetime. They have experience after experience, 325 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:58.119 spread throughout decades, not just years. Decades. Yeah, yeah, the 326 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.200 fact that you know, again, Gary brings up to great point, 327 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.440 you know, I was assuming the same thing. You're assuming 328 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.839 that he's communicating with them, but maybe it's their initiating 329 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:10.119 the phone call, and he's one of the few that 330 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:13.079 could actually answer that call at that moment. 331 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:15.519 Right, he got it, he heard it. 332 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:20.559 Yes, so our our witnesses like this selected. You know, 333 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:24.480 is there a reason certain people have these repeat experiences 334 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:29.000 and others see nothing or maybe see something go maybe 335 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:31.279 it was a UFO, I don't know. It looked weird, 336 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:35.039 but that's all they ever experienced. Whereas this, this, this 337 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.559 witness is just amazing. He's a great witness, and he's 338 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:40.440 got that lifelong experience so far. 339 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:46.279 Which yeah, but wait, there's more they say on the infomercials. 340 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:51.400 So this is this is a little different, and it's 341 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:56.880 an indoor experience. So let me get into this one, 342 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:02.279 all right. So number four, this is the one that 343 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:07.119 made me decide to contact you. Watching your videos on 344 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.200 the Danbury Library site, I saw the one where the 345 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:16.160 disk turned into a barbell shape and shrank and disappeared. 346 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.960 I had an indoor experience that is similar. Around nineteen 347 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.359 eighty three. I was asleep in a room in New paulse, 348 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.319 New York. My sister was visiting and sleeping on the 349 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:33.079 other side of the room. We were paralleled to each 350 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:38.279 other about fifteen feet apart. I woke to see two 351 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:44.720 very distinct barbell shaped objects floating in the air. This 352 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:49.240 is inside the room. They were composed of lines of 353 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:54.599 white light. One was based on square shapes, like two 354 00:24:54.880 --> 00:25:00.880 cubes shaped two cube shaped boxes with a long rectangular 355 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:05.920 shaft connecting them. The other was based on a sphere shape, 356 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:10.359 so it was like two globes with a tapered round 357 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:16.559 shaft connecting them into a barbel shape. They consisted entirely 358 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:22.519 of precise lines of white light. The cubes had a 359 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:28.440 graph paper pattern on them, and the globes had latitude 360 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:33.960 and longitude type pattern. They were about seven feet long 361 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:38.359 each and were floating about four feet off the floor. 362 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:43.680 They took up a lot of space. They were floating 363 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:48.960 in the same direction as our bodies, side by side, 364 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:54.000 almost like one represented me and one represented my sister. 365 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.440 I looked at them for about fifteen seconds, and they 366 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:04.400 started to dim out and disappear. I wasn't scared or shocked. 367 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.920 I went back to sleep. I didn't tell my sister 368 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:12.799 until about a year later. I seemed to have a 369 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:19.079 pattern of absorbing these experiences without a particularly strong emotional reaction. 370 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:26.759 It might be familiarity or shock. By the way, years later, 371 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.359 there was a very strong odor in that same room. 372 00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.799 It was like a combination of an electrical fire and 373 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:39.480 a skunk. We actually called the landlord at one am 374 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:42.920 to check it out. It took a few hours to dissipate. 375 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:49.759 There was no fire or short circuit. I drew pictures 376 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.200 of the barbells and brought them to the famous Poughkeepsie 377 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:58.960 UFO conference organized by Peter Gerson about that time. I 378 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.640 showed the picture to Whitley Strieber, who was a speaker there, 379 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.319 and he didn't comment and said maybe I should show 380 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.400 them to Bud Hopkins, who was also there, but he 381 00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:14.640 also had no interest. It's been all this time till 382 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.039 I saw the barbell in your video and that I 383 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:24.119 got a confirmation of some sort. Thank you. So I 384 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:28.519 don't know where to go with this. I've heard, you know, 385 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:33.680 balls of light moving through people's homes, seeing figures, seeing 386 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:38.160 all and the description and he drew a great sketch 387 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:42.799 of like this grid pattern on this square barbell and 388 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:47.559 round barbell in the same orientation as a scoping out. 389 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:50.519 It was there one there to check him out and 390 00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.559 one there to check his sister. I don't know, what 391 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.160 do you make of this? 392 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.720 This one threw me off. I don't know. I like 393 00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:02.519 you said, we've heard of apple russ or lights, you know, 394 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.240 like the small balls of light, but barbells. It's very unusual. 395 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:08.279 I don't know. 396 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.839 And and not just amorphous blobs the way he said, 397 00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:20.599 you know, fine lines of white light. Was it a craft? 398 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.599 Was it just some sort of energy? 399 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:28.519 And the unemotional response, like he's not having a fear reaction. 400 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.359 He's not you know, he's not going into this mode 401 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.000