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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season three,

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episode forty eight. I believe of clips in dip. I

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am Chuck Lockley. We got Adam Oslin, William of Bike.

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The full crew is here. Thank you for listening to us,

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Thank you for watching us. If you want to watch us,

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you can find us at YouTube dot com slash at

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Clippers podcast. Today we're gonna talk maybe the worst loss

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of the Clippers season so far against the Bucks. I

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don't guys, it's close. And then of course we're gonna

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be preeving the upcoming back to back and then talking

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kind of what has to happen after the All Star break.

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One big thing we all want the Clippers to work on,

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Will Adam, how are you guys doing after that game? Will,

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you're saying it's not the worst loss of the season.

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Adam was saying it might be.

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Speaker 2: Every time we do that, the Clippers say, hey, hold

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my beard, So let's stop doing that until it's until

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it's truly the worst and then and then we can

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talk about it. I'm doing alright. I uh yeah, I'm

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doing all right.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna all right. Will's doing all right? Adam, how

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are you you had to deal with angry callers last night.

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How's how's life in your world?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a guy who had called in like

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a week ago and said, oh, they're gonna go twenty

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five and five the last thirty games or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Last night, that guy called in and had a much

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different tone.

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Speaker 1: He had switched out. Here's what it sounds like. Let's

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get into what happened against the Bucks. There was no

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Norm Powell, which we're gonna talk and we can talk

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about it. Seems like per lab Murray. It sounded like

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an issue that would have calmed down during the All

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Star break, but the Nie soreness is still there. What's

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our concern level for Norm Powell? I mean deaf con one,

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that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Did I finish your sentence out of it and know

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where you're at?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Pretty much like no, I have some level of concern.

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Speaker 3: Let me know, if he doesn't play on Sunday against Indiana,

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if he doesn't play at all in the back to back,

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then I'm gonna be pretty concerned. Because they just had

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the All Star break. He was just in the three

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point shooting contest. He didn't look great. Was that part

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of the problem?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: There was no, there was no break for him.

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Speaker 1: Good point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was too busy with all his All Star duties.

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You you know, he had to be shaking hands, kissing babies.

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There's a lot of workout there. People think it's just

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a vacation.

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Speaker 3: Somebody like commented on the video I did earlier, saying, hey,

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what about this. We bring Norm off the bench, and

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it's like, no, full stop, Like, Norm is the highest scoring.

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Speaker 4: Player on the team.

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Speaker 3: He had twenty four points per game and shooting forty

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four from three.

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Speaker 4: He's not coming off the bench. They need him desperately.

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Speaker 3: He completes what is the starting lineup with the best

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net rating in the NBA. Now, it's only about one

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hundred and fifty minutes I think so far, but it's

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not nothing.

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Speaker 1: Have we lost every game that he's been out.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's like three full games three and those.

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Speaker 1: Have we lost? Not maybe not every game, but it's

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been the last couple of games that he's been out

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the Clippers have lost. And I don't think that's a

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huge surprise to people.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a good question. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like he's one of the most vital players

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on the team. He's been mister consistent. He's their leading scorer.

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They need him period.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, I'm looking up his game logs real quick

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because I want to see if I'm just if I'm

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totally lying, or if that was correct. Loss loss loss loss. Yeah,

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they've lost their last one, two, three, four without Norm

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Powell checks out, which not surprising. Yeah, the bench take,

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that's maybe the craziest take I've heard all year, and

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there's been some crazy takes, so I hope that person

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is doing okay overall in this game the Clippers. Here's

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what the Clippers won in this game. Points in the paint,

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second chance points, fast break points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, turnovers,

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three point percentage. And then in the fourth they lost

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a thirteen point lead. They did lose free throws twenty

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seven to nineteen, and the Bucks had fifteen in the fourth.

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I knew it was a lot when I was watching

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the game, but fifteen is insanity. Part of that is

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the refs. Part of that is the Clippers not being

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able to defend without fouling, which Adam, I feel like

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is something you've brought up when things aren't going well

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for this team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the points in the pain that you started with

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is also significant. Yeah, like that shot selection in the

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offense in fourth quarter was I mean, it was huge.

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Speaker 3: Carlo asked me in the fourth what's the biggest key

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for the Clippers to pull this out? I said, defending

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without fouling, and that did not happen.

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Speaker 4: I getting two.

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Speaker 3: Fouls on a three point shooter like Dame for that

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to happen, and they were both by a Mere Coffee

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and he also fouled Brooke Lopez on an and one.

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It was a rough game for a Mere and I

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know a lot of people are going after him, like

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I think he's had a really good season overall. It happens,

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But that was a game where you're up twelve with

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I think eight and a half minutes left, you have

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to close. And I will say this, well, yes, they

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outshot them from three by half a percent.

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Speaker 4: The Bucks also made five more threes the Clippers of

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the game.

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Speaker 3: Lopez, Yeah, this is this trend has not gone away

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the last eleven games. Now, teams are shooting forty point

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three percent from three against the Clippers. Uh, that's the

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highest three against anyone over the last eleven games. And

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a lot of it's happening in first quarters where I

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think the Bucks had seven. Believe it or not, the

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Clippers are giving up almost sixty percent shooting from three

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in first quarters the last four games.

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Speaker 1: Holy shit?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And we talk about will We talked about this, I

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mean for years where the Clippers would just start a

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game and they're down ten and you're just like, Okay,

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let's let's battle back right from the start. Is it

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like the eleven game sample size that's not insignificant? Like?

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Is it just a fatigue thing? Are we seeing the

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team be old?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, because Adam brought up go ahead?

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Speaker 2: Well will you you brought up to that? Like, not

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all of them. It's not like they're just giving up

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wide open shots. Some of these have been well contested

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and teams are just shooting above it. And like eleven games, well,

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certainly is a large sample size. I mean a lot

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of averages. You would think that wouldn't carry on forever.

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I do think we do. We have seen them. We

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have seen fatigues that in. We have seen them be

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a step lay. I do think that this game was

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it maybe as well timed as we've seen or like

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everybody was like clicking as well as we've seen uh,

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and of course there's new pieces, no normal Powell. You know,

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things are a little bit up in the air. But

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it's not like all these shots are wild. I will

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say like that that that is one thing that is reassuring.

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It's not like they're just getting like completely giving up

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on these plays.

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Speaker 3: It's like Kyl Kuzma, who is shooting twenty eight percent

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from three started I think three or four. There have

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been some waukee outlier shooting games against the Clippers that

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I don't know. A lot of averages has to come

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into effect at some point. I'm just thinking they probably

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got away with some unguarded threes earlier in the season

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that went their way, shots that were missed, that were

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wide open, And now that's starting to even out a

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little bit where if they're leaving a guy open right now,

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it feels like they're shooting one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: The next thing I guess is there's like twenty seven

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games left, so maybe we're going to creep in We're

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right at the end of the season, we start getting

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that good law of averages back right like the last

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ten games, maybe teams start actually missing some threes against

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the Clippers. That would be nice. This was another game

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where one of the main players for the opposing team

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didn't finish the game. Joannis didn't play the final six

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minutes six and a half minutes of this game, which

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was a big part of them making their comeback. Unfortunately,

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it reminded me of how, you know, Turner went out

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when they played the Pacers the last time, and we couldn't.

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A key piece of the other team is out and

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the Clippers, for whatever reason, aren't able to capitalize on that.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. I didn't think about that, Like

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they did not adjust well to it. I mean again,

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you're giving up thirty six points in a fourth quarter

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two more Rockey Bucks team without Yannis and the clip

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first could not defend without Fouling depended on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, super just just just a super rough break. It's

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interesting that you bring up though that, like they were

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a little bit better without Giannis on the floor in

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that fourth And I do wonder if just the shortened,

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you know, prep time coming off the break or something.

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Maybe the game plan wasn't as strong for this game

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as we've seen in other ones. Uh, you know, maybe

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van Gundi needed his rest. You never know, but it

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wasn't it wasn't an inspiring performance. And aside from the

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three point shooting, I thought when he was on the court,

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some of the some of the defense against Giannis, especially

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like lacked some of the like physicality and grit that

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we've seen from this team. Like there was a number

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of buckets where like he had a wide open lane

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and it just kind of felt like maybe guys weren't

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to like bang around or get a body in there.

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break and being like or maybe it's being a step behind.

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with people not wanting it so much as like for

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whatever reason, they couldn't quite get there, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, there wasn't a Zoo did not have

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a field goal attempt in the fourth, which is yeah,

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annoying to see. Adam, who is having phone connection troubles,

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mentioned that he was more upset about it last night,

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and then when he went and watched some of the film,

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he was a little less upset about it. But it

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is an issue, right, like we.

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Speaker 2: Can't yeah yeah, Law put out a stat I mean

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this has been going on all year long, but you know,

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basically the first three quarters of a game. This is

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according to Law Murray the athletic Zubots, he's around three

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three field goal attempts a quarter, three to three point

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five around there, and then it drops to around two.

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So you're seeing at least a thirty three percent decrease

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in fourth quarters. And so you know, when you say

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he has zero, it maybe doesn't. That's only two less,

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but you know from a percentages from a you know,

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percentages standpoint, that that is significant. I don't I don't

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think that that was the reason alone obviously that they

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lost this game. I mean, they, as Adams said, they

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couldn't defend without fouling. I think it's like one of

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those things that just we've all become heightened, like we're

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more and more aware of just because it's such an

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ongoing thing. So yeah, I wouldn't go as far as

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to say that that's what lost them in the game.

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But it's like it's just another one of those sort

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of puzzling things that for a team that you know

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is doing a lot right, it is still just kind

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of it's just kind of confusing. It's it's kind of

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I don't know how many times do is answered in

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the post game now you know, like what happened in

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the fourth or how many more times the guy can say,

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you know, he's trying to look for a shot, but

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you know he's not a shot creator, so you know,

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it's it's kind of determinate upon his teammates UH to

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find him in those in those areas. And I don't know,

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you know, I don't know where that comes from, because

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in Zoo is certainly different this year and even last year. Yeah,

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since since Harden's arrival, I really feel like that the

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trust and Zoo offensively it looks a lot different. But

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these guys are so used to carrying a team UH

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late in game, and I mean I mean any one

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of them. I mean even like if Norm has the

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ball or something, and sure he's not used to carrying

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the team as a starter, but he's certainly used to

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carrying even this year's team to a certain extent to

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where maybe the tunnel vision is UH is coming into

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effect a little bit. And again, not the reason they

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lost this game. It's just one of those things that's

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like it's like the three point shooting thing where you know,

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like opponents are shooting so well, it's it's just a

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troubling trend. It's it's a troubling trend. Although one team

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is infinitely here to fix than the other.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. It sucks too because I mean, Zoo

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had twenty fifteen and four blocks. He had one of

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his better games like of the season, just obviously box

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score wise, but the fourth was rough. We've we've seen

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the Ben Simmons and Zoo pairing get out scored the

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entirety that they've shared the floor to this point. It's

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not been a lot of minutes. But that's not a

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I don't think that's a big shock to people. There

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are some people being critical of Tyler's rotations last night.

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Speaker 2: So I think with that one Tyler did is sort

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of expressed that he was interested in trying as many

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machinations like around Ben Simmons, like he's basically he not

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even basically he has been in a rotation. He is,

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he has been in a rotation with every player that

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that is on the roster that's gotten played when it's

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in those two games. So I think that it kind

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of makes sense. I don't know. To me, the zoo

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like the zoo and Ben Simmons sing is kind of

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like it will DOUI like, I just you know that

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that one that pairing, like it just seems so obvious

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that I don't even know why you have to try.

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But hey, he's the basketball mind, not me. You know,

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who knows if it would have worked. You know, I'd

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have to be over here eating my hat or something.

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But what does seem interesting and is a thing that

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I think you could have predicted, is that all of

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Ben Simmons' best lineups come next to Niko Batun, which

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I think is great because you know, that's that that

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seems to me to be a natural pairing when we

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have bench minutes, when we have likely you know, either

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cohi less minutes or hard endless minutes, that to me

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seems like a likely pairing. But it's it's nice that

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there are some things that are working as far as

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Ben Simmons goes, especially for his confidence. You know, you

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kind of like I think it it It's understandable if

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we go through a stretch where you know, the fit

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doesn't seems as easy as or as a parent. But

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I think for like his confidence and like where he's

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at right now, Like I love that he came out

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the gate that game one was so great, and you

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know yesterday overall solid, not the greatest offensive game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like it's his second game too, so

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it's like, yeah, I feel like it's it's one of

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those things where we're all we all really wanted it

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to work, and it was so good in the beginning

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that we're like, well, great, it's like, oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: We'll still the beginning, I would say.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just like Kawhi's return. Right right when it started,

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it was like, whoa, he's looking a lot better than

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where I thought he would be. But then as you

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get into it and the rhythm of trying to get back,

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things don't go well. The Clippers were outscored by eleven

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points per law Murray in the three and a half

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minutes Leonard was off the floor in the fourth quarter

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getting Kawhi back. Adam Alven, who should be back soon,

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always says that one of the biggest things the Clippers

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can do to improve is just getting Kawhi Leonard to

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thirty six minutes per game. He's at thirty two right now,

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Like that is such a big I mean, we sound

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like a broken record who's set up for the last

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four years, five years, like just getting him back, so

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the normal minutes should solve some of these problems.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wonder of that eleven game sample size,

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how many was Kawhi playing, And not that he's personally

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responsible for the opposing team's three point shooting percentage, but

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I think just his presence, he's a second thought out there,

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because there's like I think there's a there's obviously a

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mental thing to certain defenders as well, like Adam and

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I were talking about how you know, some of these

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shots are well defended, but I think it's a difference

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if the if the defending player is more of an

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imposing force mentally, if that makes sense. But you see,

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you see Kawhi defending you, I think something different is

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crossing your mind than a mere coffee. Even if a

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mere coffee is guarding you very competently.

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Speaker 1: A hundred reputation precedes itself in the NBA, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, I've never seen a

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mere coffee, you know, block a dunk with a single

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middle finger, So you know that not in the back

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of your head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they they lost that one, which is not good.

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They have a back to back coming up. This is

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very funny. The Clippers these three games against the Bucks,

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the Pistons, excuse me, the Bucks, the Pages, and the Pistons.

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That's four five six in the East seating wise, so

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kind of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they then they are technically on the

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road to take on the Lakers twice, I believe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's stretching agains stretch against which do we

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think Kawhi sits out? Which would you prefer? Does it?

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And I don't mean this as a disrespect to the

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to these two teams. I don't mean that at all.

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Does it matter? Both these teams are playing pretty good

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basketball right now, you know what I mean, Like they're

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they're they're not bad. The Pistons are young, which is

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a pain in the ass for this old team. Do

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you prefer him to sit out any any any either

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of these games? Does it matter to you?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to me.

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Speaker 1: I feel yeah, Like I just think.

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Speaker 2: These are both Like these are both pretty difficult games.

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I guess I would say it just depends on how

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you want to play. The rest coming up into the

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Lakers series, because I think you have to you have

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to at a bare minimum split those games. You've already

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dropped one to the Lakers in embarrassing fashion. Uh, so

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you have to at least win one of these. And

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so I think if you want to play him so

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he has the most rest going into that lineup, you

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playing the first under the back to back against the Pacers,

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if you want him to have the most consecutive rest

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through travel, maybe you haven't played the Pistons game, and

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then it's it's less day's rest, but less you know,

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like less play travel play, if that makes sense totally.

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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, that's a really good call.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it just depends on how you

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want to game that because but either one of these

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teams is going to be really good, and this Pistons

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team like young team. This is not a great matchup. Now,

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neither of these are particularly great matchups on the road

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for this team.

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Speaker 1: I think the Pistons one is the must win of

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these two because I was looking at the Pistons schedule.

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This is gonna be the second night of a batter

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back for the Pistons and the final of a three

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and four for them, which Okay, they're in San Antonio

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and then they're in Atlanta and then they're back in

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Detroit to play the Clippers. So like travel wise, they

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got kind of hosed on this one. And if they're

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gonna be a tired team like the Clippers, gotta beat

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tired teams, you know what I mean. The Pistons are

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really good at rebounding. Their top ten in each major category.

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They have a guy in Cade who can give the

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Clippers issues. Like, but I think with the rest situation, and.

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Speaker 2: They just have momentum on their side right now, Like

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you know, they're on a four game win streak. They've

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been snapping off wins, like they're looking they're looking like

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they got something cooking.

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Speaker 1: Finally, they look like a legit, like where they're seated,

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you know, like they're not like a weird you know.

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You see some teams you're like, well, they're not going

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to stay at six or whatever it is, and I don't.

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I think the Pistons probably will. The Pacers game is

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also difficult because the Pacers get three days off before

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they play the Clippers. Yeah, so like that one might

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be the one to punt. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough.

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Speaker 1: They're not a good defense, they're not a good rebounding team,

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but they will shoot the lights out like this is

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I don't know, man, Like they gotta we know this obviously,

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they have to go at least one in two like

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on this trip. I don't think they're getting to two

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and one on this road trip. I don't think they're

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winning this back to back. Like I don't think they're

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going to go over the back to back. I would

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like them too, but I don't want them to.

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Speaker 2: No, every time I get every time I get too

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hyped on that how they're gonna do on a road trip?

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That was just funny. Adam is he's gonna have to

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go into the studio.

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Speaker 1: Damn. Okay, Well we can vamp a little bit. We're

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gonna talk standings in the next segment. But this is

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like because we were gonna do a show before the

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Bucks game and we were gonna say one is that crazy?

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And now it's like I'm praying for one and two

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after a while that Bucks came.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But like, how does that game? Is it just

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because they threw it? Is it just because they had

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a lead and threw it away? That doesn't like that's

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worse to you than when like say the Lakers games

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or other games recently where they're not even in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that they weren't able to close with

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Giannis off the court for the half of the fourth,

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that's why if they would have lost by one on

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a last second shot or something like, oh shit, that

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sucks obviously, but they were in such a position to win.

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They were they was, yeah, their game like and there

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were some good things. Bob been fault after.

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Speaker 2: Playing from behind a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It was like back and forth totally, Like there wasn't

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like a.

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Speaker 2: Wire It wasn't like a wire to wire thing where

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they then just blew it in the fourth.

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Speaker 1: That would have been a lot worse. Yeah, it's very

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good call, but yeah, it's just that issue of like

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the clothes right, just being able to really put a

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team away. And yes, that's obviously so much. It's different

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than it used to be. Scoring is you know, back

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and forth like that, but there was just like the

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fouling was brutal.

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Speaker 2: Again, that that part I think is difficult because that

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to me is sort of uncharacteristic for this Clippers team,

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especially against a guardian Dame who they've seen so many

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times and played yeah, and have historically played really, really well.

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I can see for the people that are really irritated

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with this loss, I can see that, like some of

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the things that are a little bit more uncharacteristic, I

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can see you know, looking a little bit gassed in

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the fourth after an All Star break, raising your alarm bells.

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That certainly makes sense. This one isn't worse for me though.

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Speaker 1: You thought the worst one yet. Yes, yeah, all right,

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let's do our player of the back to back picks.

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The Clippers have a back to back. They get a

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team that is on a big rest advantage and then

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a team that is on a borderline rust disadvantage in

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the Pacers and Pistons. We cannot pick James Harden, Norm

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Powell or the Super Bowl I'm.

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Speaker 2: Now, Typically they would be excluded from the Kawhi Leonard

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James Harden, Norm Powell of vitza Zubats player of the game. However,

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it's questions about his injuries arising. I'm gonna go out

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on limb. I'm going Norm Powell.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, Norm Powell, he's playing both games.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, buddy, Adam, you could take that to the back.

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Speaker 1: So just just the heads up. We're doing our player

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of the back to back picks. We just talked a

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little bit about Pacers and Pistons. Which of these games

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are you more concerned about? I think the Pistons games

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that must win based on their travel schedule. We get

474
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,519
them on the second nd of a back to back.

475
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:19,119
It's a three and four for them. They travel the

476
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,839
first two games, and then they get the Clippers at home.

477
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,119
Which one are you leaning for a must win here?

478
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,119
For the Clippers, well.

479
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: I think the tougher games in Indiana. I do agree

480
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,640
with you. The Pistons game they have to win. They

481
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,920
can't start zero to three.

482
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:38,319
Speaker 2: On this road trick. No, they can't.

483
00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,839
Speaker 3: And the problem is if you chase the Indiana game

484
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,720
with let's say Kawhi and Ben Simmons both playing that game,

485
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,480
and you lose it and you're not gonna have them

486
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:53,000
the next night, that's scary. Plus does Norm play that game?

487
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,680
Is not going to play in a back to back? Now,

488
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,119
I know he's Will's player to watch, but uh.

489
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with.

490
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with, Well, I wanted to say big Zoo,

491
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,519
but that's crazy. We can't do that.

492
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: You might have to rethink some of these rules though,

493
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,680
if they keep playing not very good, because like when

494
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,720
the team's playing well, you obviously can't pick them, but

495
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:17,319
when they're not playing well, Uh.

496
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: I'll go with Bogey Bogie ball.

497
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: Okay, he found his he found a shot against the Bucks.

498
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,319
Like he was good. He was really good.

499
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: I mean he's been what good.

500
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:32,279
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about Bogie enough. He's really good the

501
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,279
last two games.

502
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: He's a low key guy. Yeah, he's playing. I like

503
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,440
the Bogie pick for for player of the back to

504
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,640
back because he's he fits the mall. He's a bench

505
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,000
guy who can get his own shot and go on

506
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,880
a streak. That's the perfect That's exactly what you need

507
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:51,880
to sneaky old, that's what Yeah, Will shocked. Will's number

508
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,039
one Google search is bogged in age real.

509
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 2: He made to be older so he could get so

510
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,759
he could play basketball earlier.

511
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so I've never seen it. Well, do

512
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,240
you do you want to stick with Norm Palell as

513
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,319
your player in the back to back?

514
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, he's playing both baby.

515
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: Mark it down, baby. And then we got Bogie Man.

516
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,799
We didn't even really talk about it, but it felt

517
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,160
like a KPJ revenge game last night. He played his

518
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,680
best game of the season, which was annoying as hell.

519
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,119
I'm gonna go.

520
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: Have it. Keep it, buddy, keep the revenge.

521
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, that's fine. I'm gonna go and we're gonna

522
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,279
talk about this guy's spot in the rotation. He hasn't

523
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,279
exactly been lighting it up. I'm going Derek Jones Junior,

524
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,160
We're gonna need some legs. We're gonna need some guys

525
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,519
to bring some energy. He could feast against the Pistons

526
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,799
based on just how their their travel schedule, anything like that.

527
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,319
Derek Jones Junior being able to get the Clippers some

528
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,920
easy transition buckets, get the team excited. I think we'll

529
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,759
go a long way in this back to back and

530
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:05,880
you can take that to the bank as well, would

531
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,559
say Adam. Any quick final thoughts before we start talking

532
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,160
about the Clippers. One big thing each of us thinks

533
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,400
they need to work on for these final games. The

534
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,839
standard brutal and they got a tough stretch coming up.

535
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: They need to win both these games. I think if

536
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:26,799
you want to be a top six seed in the

537
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:32,119
Western Conference, Minnesota's coming. The Lakers did have a miserable

538
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,319
loss to the Charlotte Horns to bounce back last night unfortunately,

539
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,759
So it's going to be a race to see who

540
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:41,880
can hold on to a top six spot. But I

541
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,279
think between those three teams right there.

542
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,519
Speaker 1: And wouldn't you know what, we have some pretty important

543
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,400
games coming up against one of those teams. Coming up

544
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,720
after this quick audio break, we're going to talk the

545
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,720
twenty seven games up after the All Star break, and

546
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,079
then one big thing each of us wants the Clippers

547
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:00,119
to work on. We have ads on odd You know,

548
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,519
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549
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550
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,519
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551
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,480
heck do the Clippers got to do? Coming up in

552
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:10,559
three two one.

553
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back into Clips and Dip. If you

554
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,279
were if you were singing the Clippers praises going into

555
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,119
the All Star break on a wind streak, you're probably

556
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,039
bemoaning they're terrible, They're terrible. Fortune. Right now, however, there

557
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,039
are twenty seven games left after the All Star break.

558
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,079
We're going to talk about what is something to work

559
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,720
on for the Clippers. At the time of recording, we

560
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:37,440
are currently six in the standings about two and a

561
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,119
half games back to the Lakers, who have dropped us

562
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,279
a couple of favors in losing in losing a couple

563
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:47,000
of winnable games. So we need to take advantage and

564
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,680
tighten that gap a little bit, and we will have

565
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,440
two opportunities to take take them on against the Lakers.

566
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,920
Look the Clippers, you know, it was sort of a

567
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:00,039
mixed bag, but I feel like they were headed in

568
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,240
the right direction at the All Star break. One game after,

569
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,759
things feel a little different. Adam, where are you at?

570
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:09,960
What is your one big thing that this team needs

571
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
to work on to stay in the playoff picture after

572
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:13,920
the All Start break?

573
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: Are we doing playoff overplay in? Sorry, just to level

574
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,440
set that we want them out of the plan in

575
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:21,240
this sense or is this counting the play in.

576
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,119
Speaker 2: I'm not, They're not. They need to stay in the

577
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,039
playoff picture by not being in the plane.

578
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: Okay that's what?

579
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need them to work on Kawhi

580
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,119
being a top ten to top five player.

581
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,319
Speaker 4: In the NBA again, to be honest, like.

582
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,279
Speaker 3: We're sixteen games in now, I need to see Kawhi

583
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,400
start to step on the gas a little bit. If

584
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,480
there's something there. I need to see it. Because there's

585
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,079
twenty seven games left in the season. How many back

586
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:55,000
to backs are left? Six or seven?

587
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that, So he might play.

588
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: Twenty games like he doesn't have much time to show

589
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,079
that he can be the all NBA version of himself

590
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,680
that he was last season. I think it needs to

591
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,759
start to happen here, like last night it took him

592
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,680
twenty two shots to get to twenty five points. I

593
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:22,400
understand the minute situation. It's difficult to adjust, but he's

594
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,559
got to start and I don't know why. I don't

595
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:27,279
know if you guys have noticed this too. It feels

596
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:30,720
like they're not running much elbow action with Kawhi Leonard.

597
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,279
Speaker 1: When they are not doing that, it's usually working out.

598
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,319
When they are, it looks nice they're spacing, but you

599
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:42,079
just think they they give that right now, hammering that

600
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,559
to get him comfortable.

601
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like he's having to do far too

602
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,279
much to get to his comfort spots on the floor.

603
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,960
When why not just find him on the elbow and

604
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,920
get him in that place where it feels like he

605
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,000
can't miss in the mid range for two weeks. That's

606
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,519
the Kawhi I think we need to see for them

607
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,079
to stay at top six seed, that's what it has

608
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:06,880
to be. So I think there is some stuff that

609
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,759
they can do to give the best chance of that

610
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,440
happening or to get the most out of him, and

611
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,240
that's getting it to him in his sweet spots on

612
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:16,839
the elbows.

613
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: It's a pretty good one, I'm gonna be that's a

614
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,279
really good We talked about it last segment too. Kawhi

615
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:27,839
getting the thirty six minutes really helps games like last

616
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,799
night right where if he's playing the full thirty six

617
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,480
that Tyler wants him to play, things are probably going

618
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:36,839
probably a little differently in that game if Kawhi is

619
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,920
not having to sit out. I think I'm not sure

620
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,039
what they can do about My one big thing, the rotation.

621
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,720
And I've expressed this on this pod a couple of times.

622
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,640
The rotation with factoring in Norm being in and out

623
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,160
of the lineup. You know, Kawhi not doing the back

624
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,240
to backs, Ben Simmons not doing the back to backs,

625
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,359
We're still switching out starters between and Derek Jones Junior

626
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200
and stuff like that. We got to figure out this rotation.

627
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:06,960
And like to your point, Adam, there's only twenty games

628
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,640
left with a full rotation. If everyone stays healthy and

629
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,240
Kawhi follows the don't play on back to back thing,

630
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,440
that's only twenty games with the full rotation, and we're

631
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,000
still figuring out how to integrate, you know, the backup

632
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,440
five because we just got him. I do understand that part,

633
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,119
but like not having a set rotation, it makes me

634
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,720
nervous from what this thing's gonna look like down the

635
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:33,640
stretch because it just it's just too difficult to watch

636
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:34,680
a lot of variables.

637
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: It's a lot of variables to figure out on top

638
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,119
of you know, trying to work in guys who are

639
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,559
factor to be you know, at least somewhat significant pieces

640
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,960
of your playoff rotation. You is the guy who just

641
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,720
went with Derek Jones Junior as your player or the

642
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,720
back to back? Where do you think he should be

643
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,960
in the starting lineup? Like this is this your rallying cry?

644
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,039
Is this you grabbing ty Lu by the scruff of

645
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,000
the neck and saying, hey, this guy needs to be

646
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:03,119
in the starting lineup. I'm not Charles Mackler stand on

647
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,319
business and Derek Jones Junior needs to be in this

648
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,240
starting lineup.

649
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I will say I stand on business with Derek Jones

650
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960
Junior being in the starting lineup. I am not going

651
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,519
to grab TYLERU or anybody by the scruff of the

652
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:15,039
neck and tell them that he needs to be in

653
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,079
the start. But I don't. I don't even think I'm

654
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,640
in the minority with that. Like we've seen how good

655
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,200
the Adam you talked about it, and where are you at?

656
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:28,319
You're a dunehead, the best starting five with the four roster, like,

657
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,000
it makes sense fully healthy for Derek Jones Junior to

658
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,519
be out there. No disrespect to Chris dun, but he's

659
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,799
an offensive black hole. We can't have that on the

660
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:36,480
starting lineup.

661
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: Chris Dunn well known fact six first last seven from

662
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,319
three guys.

663
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: I said, but the game.

664
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:46,279
Speaker 2: After what was the tally before, like three for twenty two,

665
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:48,039
it was like.

666
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: One, Yeah, it was bad. Uh.

667
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if it's really hurt them that

668
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:58,279
much doing the rotating thing with him or Chris Dunn.

669
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Like the Memphis game, it worked out just fine. But

670
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,000
if I had my drothers, I would just go with

671
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239
DJ starting every game because that's the lineup with about

672
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000
one hundred and fifty minutes that has the best starting lineup.

673
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 4: Net rating in the NBA.

674
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,159
Speaker 3: And it's just it's it's easy to figure things out

675
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,000
with DJ because he is more multiple than Chris Dunn

676
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,199
with guys you can guard.

677
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Dunn is a better defender of specifically guards

678
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,519
and stuff. But you're right, like Derek jn Junior can

679
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,159
guard four and half positions on.

680
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,519
Speaker 2: The floor for thirty six though one of those for

681
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:36,519
thirty six numbers.

682
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, and and the rotation thing too, It's like,

683
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,559
it's not like say the Clippers, you know, they have

684
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,400
to be in the play in and they win, they

685
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,000
win that game, right, we get to the playoffs if

686
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,880
we're gonna have different guy like serious, I don't know.

687
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,719
It just makes me nervous. Maybe I have PTSD from

688
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,960
Clippers having to kind of rotate lineups before, but I

689
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,199
don't like that that the rotation is having to be.

690
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,800
As Will said, there's a lot of variables, and as

691
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,440
a Clippers fan, I fear change and we don't need

692
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,079
any more variables than we're already dealing with. So that

693
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:11,840
would be my thing to work on. But I also

694
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,679
don't know how you work on health because part of

695
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,559
it is health and I don't know how the Clippers

696
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:16,239
can work on that.

697
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: They don't know, They still don't figure it out.

698
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,599
Speaker 1: It's a very good point too, So I'm going Rotation,

699
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,320
will what is your one big thing and why is it?

700
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,079
Try and get Kevin Porter Junior back?

701
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: It needs to be done.

702
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: Send it.

703
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: My thing is about it all year. But like when

704
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,960
are we taking off for azbots? Like when are we

705
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,159
going to be able to see him throughout the game

706
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,159
as a viable offensive option.

707
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: I think.

708
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,599
Speaker 2: I do think that it muddles it, even with Ben Simmons,

709
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,679
although I know that you aren't going to play together,

710
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,440
but you're just you're still kind of game playing around

711
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:06,400
two different centers and skill sets. Well you disagree, they've

712
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:07,639
they've been playing together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I agree they.

714
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,159
Speaker 2: You know, but that's not gonna be permanent, that's not forever.

715
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,880
We talked about this while you while you were wherever

716
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:23,320
the hell you were not. But Tyler, I mean Tyler

717
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,719
said he wanted to try Ben Simmons out with basically

718
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,079
every Rotation player, uh even even those two together, which

719
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,440
I don't know why he would even need to try that,

720
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,920
But I do think that you know that again is

721
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,400
another type of player that at the center position offers

722
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,320
something different. I realized they're trying to use them in

723
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,199
some of the same short role sets, trying to do

724
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,519
some some of the same things. But I think that,

725
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,760
you know, these zu wats needs to remain active offensively

726
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,239
throughout the games. And it's one of those things that

727
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,920
just feels really simple, especially when they go through these

728
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,440
droughts when the Clippers are for whatever reason, choosing to

729
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,280
take the most difficult shot on the floor and they're

730
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920
just not going down. And when they are going down,

731
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,519
it's fine, like, hey, you you know, you want to

732
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:05,039
work twice as hard to get the same amount of

733
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,679
work done. I like, I've got coworkers like that. I

734
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,719
love those folks. That's great. But when it's when it's

735
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,800
not going down, it's, uh, it's a little bit more frustrating.

736
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're talking to the number one two

737
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:22,519
Bots fan Adam Oslin here. I think I hope it

738
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:24,639
changes because, like you know, will you brought up that

739
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,039
the La Murray thing about how his shots per game

740
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,079
or per quarter.

741
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: Thirty three percent less in the fourth quarter versus every

742
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,079
other quarter, and like there are games that you can

743
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,800
point to like that. It makes sense like it. You know,

744
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,239
it wasn't an option on the floor. You know, I'm

745
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,360
all in favor of you know, if teams are going

746
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,920
to throw the double at zoo, you have better options

747
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,719
on the floor, You have other options on the floor.

748
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,440
I think that that's fine. But otherwise, like you need

749
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,599
to get into an easy offense, especially when you're a

750
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,239
team that struggles to get buckets.

751
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,639
Speaker 3: Like I was as mad as anybody in frustrated with

752
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,079
what happened last night and him not getting a shot up.

753
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,000
But I had to call myself out because it's easy

754
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:05,599
to put out a tweet that says, how does the

755
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:07,679
beats Zubas not get a shot? It's a lot more

756
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,719
difficult to actually watch the entire fourth quarter with him

757
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,880
in the eight minutes he was out there seven minutes

758
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:17,119
and see that, Okay, they're playing zone, he's probably gonna

759
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,239
have to give it up right away. And multiple times

760
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,039
when they tried to get it to him, there was

761
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,280
a turnover. So it's not like they didn't try at all.

762
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:27,960
It's not like it was just Brook Lopez playing him

763
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,920
one on one. It's a lot more complex than that.

764
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,119
Speaker 4: And you do have two of the.

765
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: Best ISO guys The two best ISO guys in the

766
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,800
game last season were Kawhi Leonard and James Harden most efficient,

767
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,320
and they mash up hunted and the Bucks were really good.

768
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:46,559
I think sometimes people got to remember the part where

769
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:49,280
two good teams are playing each other and sometimes the

770
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,920
other one gets the best of you, Like it does happen.

771
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,880
They're all expecting to win too.

772
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: So let's say the Clippers fix all three of these

773
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,199
things and we get all of our brothers met. Do

774
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,639
you meet the Druthers? I don't know. We have our

775
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:06,519
Druthers in a bucket and things are going great. Where

776
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:08,960
do you see the Clippers finishing seating wise? I know

777
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,679
Will's talked about it. We have two at up to

778
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,880
this point, one of the most important games of the

779
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,559
season against the Lakers coming up seating wise, We're down

780
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:20,960
two and a half games to them. Will, Where are

781
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,840
the Clippers finishing seating wise? Should our Druthers fall from

782
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,280
this guy?

783
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 2: Man? That's really I just think it's going to be

784
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,679
pretty difficult to make up much Brown. I think optimistically,

785
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:41,760
which is kind of you know, where we've been at

786
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,840
for a while, Like, I think optimistically probably looking at

787
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,280
that four or five matchup.

788
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:55,039
Speaker 1: Optimistically, and I think I think I mean, like, I

789
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:57,880
think holding on to six Like to me, that's not

790
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,599
the worst either though, and they need They are barely

791
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,119
holding on right now. We're a half game up on

792
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,400
the way, they're not catching the Grizzlies. I don't think

793
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,800
unless something really crazy happens with that, yeah, I think

794
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,440
four or five, and I think we'd be closer to five.

795
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,119
Speaker 2: I think I think it's firmly five. I don't think

796
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:31,320
they're covering. I just don't know that they're gonna get

797
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,400
three games up.

798
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think, and if they do, they

799
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,320
need to win two of the games. They need to

800
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,480
win both the games against Lakers coming up for their

801
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,440
best shot at that. So yeah, I'm gonna say I

802
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,800
think five to six. Adam, where are you at?

803
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,559
Speaker 3: But I think we're right back where we were with

804
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:54,000
predictions to start the season, where we all kind of

805
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:57,840
said they're a six seed at best, Like that's best

806
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,360
case scenario that they end up with a six spot. Now,

807
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,880
if they do beat the Lakers in both games, then

808
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,000
they have a chance, then they have a real chance

809
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:09,800
to get the five spot. But I wouldn't hate a

810
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,199
six to three matchup as it stands right now against

811
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,000
the Memphis Grizzlies in the first in the first round.

812
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:16,880
Like that, that's ideal to me.

813
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if ideal is the word that I

814
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,639
would use, but I can understand. I can see where

815
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,480
you how you could want it. But yeah, that's a

816
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,920
great point. We've come full circle now, right like we

817
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,800
saw this team overperform and think holy shit, maybe hey,

818
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,079
maybe there's something there. We get that four into it,

819
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:40,079
rocking for the first home playoff series, and now we're

820
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:43,320
firmly back to like six is is where it feels

821
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,360
like we're gonna be Hey.

822
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: If Kawhi finds the version of himself from last season,

823
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,719
then they could go like fifteen to five in his

824
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,239
last twenty games of the season.

825
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 4: That's that's the difference, man, the ideal.

826
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: So they go and in my mind, in that scenario,

827
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,599
you know they're going seventeen to oh seventeen and oh

828
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,840
in March that they're winning a couple other games here

829
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,559
and there, and then they're they're losing the other one.

830
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: Start Simmons next to Zoom, Yeah, fucking over, it's a

831
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:12,960
game over.

832
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah you got you said Norm to the bench. You

833
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:24,760
start Simmons twenty five and two Paddy Mill. We also

834
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,360
got to figure we haven't talked about this very much

835
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,199
before we get out of here. There's some guys who

836
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,000
still are going to be working in the lineup, Like

837
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,039
if Patty Mills is going to play at all, is

838
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,199
Drew Eubank's going to play any real minutes? Like it

839
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,039
just feels like we're at that thing again now where

840
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,480
it's like these guys are just here, no disrespect to

841
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:41,760
them at all, but they're not playing.

842
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:47,159
Speaker 3: I think Drew you Banks could situationally against a bigger team.

843
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think.

844
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: Patty Mills was brought in to be a rotation player.

845
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:56,760
I think he was brought into entice. Maybe Ben Simmons,

846
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,079
and he's a great familar.

847
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows how to win. Yeah, that's a good call.

848
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,079
All right. Any other final thoughts before we head out

849
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:11,679
of here. I'm in weirdly Balmby Montana right now. Adam

850
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,280
escaped the void. Will is at his house. Any final

851
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,840
thoughts before we send these these Clippers fans back to

852
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,440
their weekend.

853
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: It gets better, all.

854
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Right, it gets better? All right. We're going to be

855
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,280
back early next week, maybe do some postgame streams. It

856
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,960
depends what we're doing. Here's to a good stretch because

857
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,800
we have some very stressful games coming up. Will where

858
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:45,679
can people demand that their bosses, union leaders, mail people

859
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,920
listen to this podcast just to help them. Yeah.

860
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to help yourself, you can check

861
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,000
out this podcast wherever you get your podcast. If you

862
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,639
happen to listen over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, you

863
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:58,760
can give us a little rating and review always helps

864
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,400
us out. If you wanted to watch us, which you should,

865
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,880
you do that over at YouTube dot com. That's at

866
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Clippers Podcast. But yeah, however, you know you consume this show,

867
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,360
just know we appreciate it.

868
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: We absolutely do, and Adam, we gotta do it. One

869
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,679
positive thing for the Clippers heading into this back to back.

870
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:21,639
Speaker 3: Just gotta feel like at some point the three point

871
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,679
shooting by opponents is going to turn back in the

872
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:28,639
clippers favor. Last eleven games in first quarters, they're almost

873
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:32,880
shooting fifty percent from three against the Clippers. Last four

874
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,000
games at first quarters, they're almost shooting sixty percent from

875
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:40,320
three last eleven games. Overall, all quarters, they are shooting

876
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,119
forty point three percent from three against the Clippers. While

877
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,800
the Clippers are still top ten an opponent three point

878
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,960
percentage on season, they have been good in this area.

879
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:54,679
What is happening here? Pacers please cool off? And they

880
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:56,639
did have a fifty point quarter I think that was

881
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:59,679
a franchise high for them yesterday. So maybe they got

882
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,280
out of there system and the Clippers will get an

883
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Indiana Pacers team that will be overly confident and lay

884
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:07,800
down a little bit.

885
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: There we go. I hope it happens. Thank you to

886
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,199
everyone for listening, thank you for watching, and as always,

887
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:19,840
let's go. Clips kind of got my fireworks