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<v Speaker 1>I'm married to a buncle pop. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we got better to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Joined in a subway shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, I'm married to a buncle pop. Oh, by

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<v Speaker 2>the man's mats.

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<v Speaker 1>They come to me through a tube. My whole life

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<v Speaker 1>it's been watching on a tube.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa oh oh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>We got weard a courtius been a subway shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we got wed at Curtis in a subway shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we got wet courtaus be in a subway shop.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh h I got married to a fucko pap. Whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>we got ready come joint in the subway shop. For

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<v Speaker 1>I'm married to a funco pap. Whoa I imagine made

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie come to me through tube? Who like the stick

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<v Speaker 1>watching on the two whoa, whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>Over a boding joy to see the subway shop.

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<v Speaker 4>O we got waiting for the sad subway shop. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>m hm, oh, I'm married to a phone cap. We

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<v Speaker 4>got ready, we got joined in a subway shop.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, listen the roads. They come to me through the

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<v Speaker 1>two nights in the roads. They come to me through

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<v Speaker 1>this hanto bunco phone call. Whoa bunco the bunk? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>oh I got married, I got married to my punk

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<v Speaker 1>go papa. We got ready. We got joined in a

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<v Speaker 1>subway shop.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, phone call love, phone call love, I'm mappy to

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<v Speaker 5>my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we got wedded? Come join in the subway shop. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mappy married to a funk. Go boo.

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<v Speaker 6>We got joined cords in the subway shop. Vitamins and biscuits,

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<v Speaker 6>some minerals to come and be through it to the

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<v Speaker 6>holy man watching on the two.

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<v Speaker 7>Whoa, Oh, I'm happy to my funk, go boo.

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<v Speaker 1>We got wedded. We got joined in the subway shopping.

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<v Speaker 8>So where do we get to the Bible from?

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<v Speaker 9>Did you even read the cannons?

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<v Speaker 1>There is only one church. You are in din occult.

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<v Speaker 5>You're a gobbling a demon, a bull merchard you saw mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your dude? Is this your person? Webs?

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<v Speaker 10>I need a gender jew?

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<v Speaker 1>Can't taking these little to yours?

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<v Speaker 8>On your dude?

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<v Speaker 1>You one plus one plus one equal free. It comes

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<v Speaker 1>from a dog tree. Why do you pray eat dead people?

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<v Speaker 1>The traditions a madden you? Heretic on your dude?

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<v Speaker 11>Is this your person?

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<v Speaker 1>Webs?

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<v Speaker 9>I need a gender jew?

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<v Speaker 1>Tickets little to your soul boys on your dude?

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<v Speaker 12>What's your pistic justification?

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<v Speaker 8>Circular and you are.

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<v Speaker 13>Too.

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<v Speaker 1>And the monkey you bud off in that tree? What

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<v Speaker 1>you doing up there? Why you stand? Why you run

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<v Speaker 1>it from them?

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<v Speaker 14>Re bad?

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<v Speaker 1>You ran mom and to and from me?

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<v Speaker 15>That del the monkey, female monkeys with them bananas between

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<v Speaker 15>the trees, hanging down upside down.

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<v Speaker 1>Found smart.

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<v Speaker 9>We're making it out of the trees with this one. Boys,

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<v Speaker 9>What you doing to me? Dela monkey?

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<v Speaker 10>Makey mmmm?

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<v Speaker 9>Put your diddy oils in the microwave right now, because

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<v Speaker 9>it's about to get live, get it warmed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Till a monkey?

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<v Speaker 8>What do it to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Tal it deal a monkey? Whoa huh?

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<v Speaker 9>They ended too quick? What the heck? Do we have

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<v Speaker 9>any more bangers to get you all ready? What's up? Welcome?

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<v Speaker 9>We're already got six hundred live right now. What's a

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<v Speaker 9>welcome all of y'all, six hundred chat nerds to the chat.

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<v Speaker 9>It's been a minute. It's been a minute since we

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<v Speaker 9>had an open debate. And I always like to mix

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<v Speaker 9>it up. I always like to throw a curveball. I

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<v Speaker 9>hope you put your microwave diddy oil on thirty seconds,

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<v Speaker 9>got a nice and warmed up because it's about to

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<v Speaker 9>get live. It's about get hypes about to get crazy

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<v Speaker 9>up in here. I don't know what to expect. Quasimoto.

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<v Speaker 9>That's right, everybody forgotten Quasimoto. We got one last song

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<v Speaker 9>before we kick it off. That's this is a lesser

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<v Speaker 9>known be hit by dire mode aka young Boomer Jong Boomer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>y'all feel it.

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<v Speaker 16>Quas in modo. Quas it quasi quas in modo. Gun lots,

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<v Speaker 16>bitch is calling me on my mobo Quasi modo our

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<v Speaker 16>gutten natural flesh patch tracks for my move over. I

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<v Speaker 16>live life crossing Modo. My bitches be calling me nothing Modeo.

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<v Speaker 16>You don't even understand this.

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<v Speaker 9>Float over, float over.

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<v Speaker 15>When I get older, will I still have an f club.

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<v Speaker 9>Shoulder I got. I got tangled in Modo.

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<v Speaker 16>High school kids making fun of me? You call me

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<v Speaker 16>played over on this back part right here, This is

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<v Speaker 16>the part flo cousin Modo. I'm up in my castle.

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<v Speaker 16>It's very dank.

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<v Speaker 9>I found that I found a hump backed chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>She was stank on it. A quasi modo.

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<v Speaker 9>Looking for a quasi modo. Ho was in modo.

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<v Speaker 17>You don't even know what it's like with a little

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<v Speaker 17>bitty friend on your back like this ragion. I got

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<v Speaker 17>a little brother on my shoulder, Quasim Moldo. I just

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<v Speaker 17>smile a with modified Lamboo.

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<v Speaker 9>So that I can drive in a Wizard. He had

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<v Speaker 9>to buy a modified Lambeau because of his humpback. Did

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<v Speaker 9>y'all understand that? Did anybody get chutched them bars? By

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<v Speaker 9>the way, I spit that whole track as always ad

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<v Speaker 9>hoc and prov baby. Everything we do music wise is improv.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the amazing part of cringe core. When dire Mode

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<v Speaker 9>steps up to the mic, you know you're about to

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<v Speaker 9>get some freestyle fire. It's all freestyle, that's all roll

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<v Speaker 9>over all right, I'm you dude. We're about to make

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<v Speaker 9>it out the trees with that Mott Dylon monkey hit. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 9>a couple of these I have to admit. My original

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<v Speaker 9>tracks were then remixed via the creativity of our friends

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<v Speaker 9>out there. Shout out to Amid the Ruins fourteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 9>who did most of the dire Wave tracks. But we

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<v Speaker 9>also have new friends who've been remixing, putting out some bangers,

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<v Speaker 9>putting out some hot tracks, also remixed via AI. Well,

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<v Speaker 9>this one is the slow Boy, Chopped and Screwed mix.

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<v Speaker 9>So I hope y'all enjoy Quasi mode. I thought Quasi

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<v Speaker 9>Modo was a It was a good cringe court head.

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<v Speaker 9>It didn't pop off, you know, like the rest of them.

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<v Speaker 9>Now we got one song. We got one for y'all.

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<v Speaker 9>Anime boys looping over here made anime remix. You remember

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<v Speaker 9>this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing, monkey, you clumb up in that tree.

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<v Speaker 13>What you're doing up there while you staring at while

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<v Speaker 13>you running from every debate you ing from Andrew and

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<v Speaker 13>from me, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing I'm not doing all.

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<v Speaker 8>My doing.

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<v Speaker 18>A monkey's hanging down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sent down sound.

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<v Speaker 19>By a smile monkey.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're doing to me? Clemment up that tree?

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<v Speaker 13>Matt and a feeding no male monkey climbed up a tree,

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<v Speaker 13>K S s and he and doing much more enforce.

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<v Speaker 8>Than that.

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<v Speaker 20>Monkey.

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<v Speaker 21>Dea monkey with them bane the tree dress hanging down.

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<v Speaker 21>I was like, down sound, that's a smile, Not so monkey,

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<v Speaker 21>what you're doing to me?

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<v Speaker 22>Clemment up that tree?

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<v Speaker 8>All right?

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<v Speaker 9>Last one and that's this one's This one's because it's

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<v Speaker 9>a debate where we got to have like the oh

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<v Speaker 9>my gosh, how does Mike Winger get a million views?

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<v Speaker 9>Who are these people? Even these This is weird. Oh

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<v Speaker 9>this is a damn quasi moto right here. Look at

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<v Speaker 9>this doe looking like damn quasi moto. We're trying to

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<v Speaker 9>debate theology, bro, you can't debate if you've got a

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<v Speaker 9>damn fed up face looking like Quasimoto. That's not even

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<v Speaker 9>that you can't do it, it's it's it's not allowed

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<v Speaker 9>in the cannons to debate if your face is I'm joking,

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<v Speaker 9>by the way, that's called a joke for those pious men,

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<v Speaker 9>those little pious soy boys. Is about to expose me.

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<v Speaker 9>This one goes out to the Calvinists out there, because

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<v Speaker 9>today is a debate day, so we got to dedicate

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<v Speaker 9>a nice little ditty to the cal in it cold.

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<v Speaker 9>You are not getting a church yould ben to your

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<v Speaker 9>own church.

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<v Speaker 23>Excuse me, you're you're just making an assumption that all

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<v Speaker 23>the saints agree they.

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<v Speaker 8>Do they do.

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<v Speaker 9>I can go read them.

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<v Speaker 8>You have those things.

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<v Speaker 24>You're a call that demon a boomer card part a demon.

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<v Speaker 23>A boomer assumption that a boomer part. Excuse me, a

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<v Speaker 23>demon a bloomer art.

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<v Speaker 24>Are you're acholar ly a deement in a boomer part

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<v Speaker 24>outdoor anomicy a demon.

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<v Speaker 9>In a Boomer part.

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<v Speaker 23>Excuse me, a deement in a Boomer part, or a

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<v Speaker 23>demon in a boomer making an assumptions, or all the

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<v Speaker 23>councils inspired in an errant.

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<v Speaker 9>The acumenical thing ideas.

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<v Speaker 12>So there are ecumenical sentence are inspired in an errant?

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<v Speaker 8>Correct? How do you know? Because the oyster at least

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<v Speaker 8>is another truth? How do you know the voyster leads

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<v Speaker 8>you to know the truth because.

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<v Speaker 24>They're in a court with all the other ecumenical doctors,

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<v Speaker 24>all the other test parts and the scriptures.

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<v Speaker 8>You're just making an assumption.

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<v Speaker 23>You're acholarle that demon in a Boomer part, or a

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<v Speaker 23>demon in a boomer making an assumption of collar that

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<v Speaker 23>dement e a Boomer part.

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<v Speaker 8>Excuse me, who's me?

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<v Speaker 24>A demon em a Boomer part, or you're acholar ly

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<v Speaker 24>deement in a Boomer part. Outdoor economy a.

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<v Speaker 23>Demon in a Boomer part, excuse me? A deement Boomer

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<v Speaker 23>car em Boomer car.

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<v Speaker 9>All right, that's enough of all that. It's time to

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<v Speaker 9>open it up. We got a nice little fat chat

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<v Speaker 9>room here ready to go. We had a excuse me,

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<v Speaker 9>excuse me, we had a soy man in the chat

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<v Speaker 9>talking smack all day. I hope he calls in. So

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<v Speaker 9>the way this works, as you guys know, is that

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<v Speaker 9>you request to speak over here on Twitter. So call

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<v Speaker 9>ins are via Twitter. It's the Twitter space at the

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<v Speaker 9>top of my profile. Here is the link in the

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<v Speaker 9>chat to call in. So if you click over there,

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<v Speaker 9>your hit request to speak, and you go in a queue,

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<v Speaker 9>in a line, and then I go to you one

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<v Speaker 9>by one. Now remember the way this works is you

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<v Speaker 9>can ask a question if you want to. If you

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<v Speaker 9>want to debate, you go to the head of the line.

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<v Speaker 9>So you raise your hand if you tell me you

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<v Speaker 9>want a debate. And the topics today are literature books

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<v Speaker 9>of the Bible, theology, church history, Patristics, ecumenical councils, Islam,

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<v Speaker 9>the Qur'an Revelation, Protestantism, Calvinism, Evangelicalism, Arianism, Cults, Hebrew Roots, Mormonism.

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<v Speaker 9>Thus all Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Evangelicals, Oriental Heretics, Arians, Hebrew Roots,

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<v Speaker 9>Black huber or Israelites. This is the det Gnostics. I

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<v Speaker 9>forgot the Gnostics. This is your day to call in

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<v Speaker 9>and put me in my palace. Somebody need to shut

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<v Speaker 9>that man down, put him in his place. I want

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<v Speaker 9>full on. Sassy black woman working at the DMV energy today,

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<v Speaker 9>maybe because I need to be put in my place.

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<v Speaker 9>We all know I've been running this game too long

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<v Speaker 9>up here, growing and popping off this channel. It's time

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<v Speaker 9>to put him to bed, baby, put him to rest,

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<v Speaker 9>shut him down. He is too mean, his arguments is

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<v Speaker 9>too good. He got a damn tom Selleck visage. Look

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<v Speaker 9>going on. It's too much. We can't handle it. We

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<v Speaker 9>gotta stop this somehow. We need a brave champion from

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<v Speaker 9>the domains of Papalism, from the domains of Islam, from

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<v Speaker 9>the domains of Calvinism, to just step on up with

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<v Speaker 9>that Queen Latifa, Monique Cardi, b Energy and put me

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<v Speaker 9>in my place because jay Do are getting destroyed today.

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<v Speaker 9>He getting wrecked today, he getting cooked today. How do

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<v Speaker 9>all out. All you gotta do to destroy me is

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<v Speaker 9>come on and present a argument. In fact, I want

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<v Speaker 9>to be destroyed. I want to be killed. I want

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<v Speaker 9>to be wrecked. I'm ready for somebody to come correct me,

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<v Speaker 9>because guess what if I'm wrong, I want to know

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<v Speaker 9>I'm wrong. I don't want to stay in my delusion

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<v Speaker 9>like a lot of y'all soy boys out there, y'all

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<v Speaker 9>want to.

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<v Speaker 18>Stay in my little delusion. I want to stay in

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<v Speaker 18>my little soy pod delusion fantasy world.

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<v Speaker 8>No, no, not me.

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<v Speaker 9>I invite you to destroy me. Who else does that?

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<v Speaker 9>Nobody else invites everyone to come and destroy into the bank.

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<v Speaker 9>Nobody why? Because they're scared.

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<v Speaker 18>All the other online apologists. They will only interact in

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<v Speaker 18>a professional way with the other big channels and apologists.

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<v Speaker 18>I'm not dirtying myself with the messides, with the plebs,

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<v Speaker 18>with the workers. Please please, all of these snotty apologists

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<v Speaker 18>on the internet.

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<v Speaker 25>To a degree from a Baptist university, I want to

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<v Speaker 25>open borders. And by the way, miss scholar, I come

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<v Speaker 25>through a though try. I'm caving Ortland a mis scholar.

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<v Speaker 25>I don't care about none of that. Could care less.

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<v Speaker 9>If you are a gave an Ortland follower, Come make

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<v Speaker 9>an argument, Come get in the chair and make an oreum.

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<v Speaker 14>A boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Play shakraf some more.

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<v Speaker 26>No, because I'm an elite apologist on YouTube, I go

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<v Speaker 26>on Matt Fred I drank pints with a queas. I

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<v Speaker 26>drank a giant Beerstein full of cake icing like Ibirah.

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<v Speaker 26>We professionals, we don't sink to the low levels of

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<v Speaker 26>the meanness of Jay Dyer and his student voices that

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<v Speaker 26>he does.

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<v Speaker 9>We're better than him.

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<v Speaker 27>We're better than that, are better than that. I'm the

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<v Speaker 27>best person on the internet, a better than that, better

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<v Speaker 27>than you because I'm pious. Let me show hold the

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<v Speaker 27>world how piss on?

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<v Speaker 9>I'm thinking about like a like a Limp Biscuits type

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<v Speaker 9>of song on pious. You know, remember that horrible era

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<v Speaker 9>of rap rock in like two thousand and three. Oh

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<v Speaker 9>it's the worst, like big old baggy jeans, Fred Durst

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<v Speaker 9>with a baseball cap backwards on pious on one.

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<v Speaker 8>Of the best.

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<v Speaker 9>Let me show y'all are better than the rest on

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<v Speaker 9>pious on the internet. It's good. All of that's gay, bro,

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<v Speaker 9>Get out of here with all that game is. That's

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<v Speaker 9>why nobody will come debate now in the debates sphere.

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<v Speaker 9>I forgot to mention this. Somebody sent me Alex O'Connor's

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<v Speaker 9>discussion with some other dude about tag. I have not

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<v Speaker 9>yet yet seen the so uh apparently the dude that

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<v Speaker 9>he had on who I don't know who it is

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<v Speaker 9>said something about he thought that precept tag was was

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<v Speaker 9>one of the better styles or techniques of debate that

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<v Speaker 9>feists have. Ah, well, thank you. At least we get

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<v Speaker 9>a little bit of a nod from the atheist. I

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<v Speaker 9>don't know what else they said in this discussion, so

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<v Speaker 9>I can't really comment on it. I did intend to

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<v Speaker 9>watch it if anybody has that clip, because I think

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<v Speaker 9>somebody sent it to me, but I've already forgotten who

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<v Speaker 9>sent me the clip. I don't know where it is

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<v Speaker 9>and what message. Rap rock is totally gayd That's one

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<v Speaker 9>of the worst stuff ever. Remember when we were making

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<v Speaker 9>fun of butt rock and we could, we could throw

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<v Speaker 9>butt rock is like a subgenre. Rap rock is a

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<v Speaker 9>subgenre of butt rock. Now, we just had our conference

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<v Speaker 9>last weekend at my church. Do you even go to church?

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<v Speaker 9>We literally just had a conference at my church, dummy,

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<v Speaker 9>and we covered iconography. So I did a lecture literally

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<v Speaker 9>at the church on iconography, and people are.

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<v Speaker 28>Asking, do you even go to church? He doesn't even

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<v Speaker 28>go to church. Well to you, to you, good sir,

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<v Speaker 28>I licked the phone from my espresso. That is my

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<v Speaker 28>response to you, sir, I look at the phone. I

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<v Speaker 28>licked the phone at you, sir. Anyway, So back to

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<v Speaker 28>the issue. Did they never gonna have me own pines

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<v Speaker 28>with Aquinas? I don't care anyone else.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I've always been in the sphere of the fringes,

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<v Speaker 9>you know what I mean? Like, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 9>talk about the type of geopolitical stuff, I talk about

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<v Speaker 9>your class as conspiracy and so that kind of stuff is,

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<v Speaker 9>you know. I mean, we're a lot more mainstream nowadays

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<v Speaker 9>than we used to be, but it's still seen as

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<v Speaker 9>not normian, am I Okay? I mean I'm not acting

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<v Speaker 9>any different than I act on literally every live stream

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<v Speaker 9>where we just clown around and have fun. So I

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<v Speaker 9>don't know what you're talking about. You know what I'm

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<v Speaker 9>on Expresso. It's about to be like, it's about to

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<v Speaker 9>be damn serial killer level apologetics out here. Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 9>about to be I was gonna say Jeffrey, butdonka Donald,

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<v Speaker 9>but he was too he was two skittles, So it's

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<v Speaker 9>about to be damn h who was the lady killer?

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<v Speaker 28>Serial killer?

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<v Speaker 8>What was his name? Remember him?

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<v Speaker 9>I just went blank. I know my serial killers very well.

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<v Speaker 9>I just went blank on what's his face? Bt not

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<v Speaker 9>BTK because he was all dressed up like women.

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<v Speaker 9>He was gross. Who's the one that zach Efron played.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what I'm trying to think of. All right, we

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<v Speaker 9>got four people in line. That's good. That's what I

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<v Speaker 9>like to see. We already get four people, are about

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<v Speaker 9>to open it up. Oh, I'm so, I'm nervous. Super No,

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<v Speaker 9>not the nice talk or he was a Satanist although

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<v Speaker 9>actually Ted Bundy, right, that's what I'm talking ab well,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm about to go Ted Bundy on, y'all. Ted Bundy on, y'all.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't want to read a poem before we before

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<v Speaker 9>with this a poem I wrote in grad school, back

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<v Speaker 9>when I was in academia. It's we had a death

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<v Speaker 9>in the family, and I just really wanted to express

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<v Speaker 9>when we had this death in the family back and

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<v Speaker 9>as an underground I wanted to express my feelings during

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<v Speaker 9>that tough time, and so I wrote this poem for

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<v Speaker 9>grad school. I won some awards at some multicultural events

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<v Speaker 9>at college ballers. We be on some twinky Twinkie play.

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<v Speaker 9>I hate us get found stanky stanky chief in fat

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<v Speaker 9>blunts of the danky danky, big diamond rings on a

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<v Speaker 9>panky panky that was my grad school poem that won

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<v Speaker 9>many awards. Because, like to thank you, it's more of

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<v Speaker 9>a haiku. I guess you could say, uh, sort of

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<v Speaker 9>a ghetto haiku is a good way to put that.

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<v Speaker 9>All Right, we're gonna open it up. Remember the topics

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<v Speaker 9>today are limited to I was in the I wasn't

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<v Speaker 9>in the dead Poet society. I was in the lit

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<v Speaker 9>poet society, right. I was over there with Juicy j DJ, Paul,

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<v Speaker 9>Project Pat. You know what I'm saying, gangs, Taboo, We

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<v Speaker 9>was all over there crafting HiPE beats and rots. You

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<v Speaker 9>know what I'm saying. Anyway, it's not a haiku. It's

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<v Speaker 9>a joke, dummy, You're so stupid. Too many people in

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<v Speaker 9>this audiences too's got too much spurgetism. They literally can't

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<v Speaker 9>tell what jokes are. They're They were here like snops

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<v Speaker 9>like fact checking memes and jokes. Fact check.

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<v Speaker 29>Technically, uh, technically, Project Pat was not writing a haiku.

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<v Speaker 29>I studied in Japan under the foremost authority haikus, and

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<v Speaker 29>that is technically not a haiku.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, thank you, thank you so much. We were all

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<v Speaker 9>concerned all over here, waiting for the definitive proof to

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<v Speaker 9>whether Project pat was right in Haikus or not. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 9>Spargatism five thousand. We love you, We owe it all

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<v Speaker 9>to you. Next up Harrison, not Smith, but Harrison, just Harrison,

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<v Speaker 9>just straight up Harrison. What's up, Harrison?

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<v Speaker 5>Yo?

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<v Speaker 28>What's good day?

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<v Speaker 22>Great to be talking with you. I just had a

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<v Speaker 22>question regarding uh, which Ephesians was it?

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<v Speaker 8>Really quick?

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<v Speaker 30>It was Ephesians two eight nine.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, for the grace you have been saved through faith. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>So I was talking to.

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<v Speaker 22>One of my Protestant friends and they were basically just

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<v Speaker 22>arguing that, oh, you know, the relationship with God is

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<v Speaker 22>enough and not actions.

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<v Speaker 8>So I just wanted to see you know, what your

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<v Speaker 8>thought is or like what a rebuttal.

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<v Speaker 9>There's no such thing as a relationship without actions. I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>imagine saying to your wife, well we're married, but it's

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<v Speaker 9>a relationship. This can you mute bros ecking? But I

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<v Speaker 9>don't have to actually do anything to demonstrate that I

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<v Speaker 9>actually love you. It's all notional, it's all just verbal.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, that's crazy. What does Jesus say, if you

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<v Speaker 9>love me, you keep my commandments? Many of many will

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<v Speaker 9>say to me on the last day, Lord Lord, do

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<v Speaker 9>we not even do good things in your name, and

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<v Speaker 9>Jesus says, apart from me, did Matthew.

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<v Speaker 8>Twelve?

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, So he has a Protestant presupposition that that text

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<v Speaker 9>and Ephesians too, is teaching the Protestant doctrine of solo

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<v Speaker 9>fide or justification by faith alone, apart from any kind

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<v Speaker 9>of works. When Paul is talking about in the context

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<v Speaker 9>first and foremost of the works of the law, the

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<v Speaker 9>Jewish law, so circumcision, none of those works are going

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<v Speaker 9>to save you. That's what the very next verse he said,

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<v Speaker 9>as you are called the uncircumcision by those who are

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<v Speaker 9>circumcised by hands. So the context here is the works

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<v Speaker 9>of the Jewish law. It is not Paul saying that

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<v Speaker 9>you never have to demonstrate or have any good works,

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<v Speaker 9>because he says in Galatians, the only faith that counts

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<v Speaker 9>is faith working through love. So even in Galatians, the

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<v Speaker 9>supposed book of Solafide, Paul actually says that the only

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<v Speaker 9>faith that counts is the one that works.

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<v Speaker 8>Right on. Yeah, thank you, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 22>I quoted Matthew seven twenty one through twenty three to them,

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<v Speaker 22>and they just presented me with Ephesians, and so I

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<v Speaker 22>was like, man, that's just.

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<v Speaker 9>So they think the Bible contradicts I mean, you have

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<v Speaker 9>to harmonize the text.

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<v Speaker 30>So the question, I know, yeah, it was, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 30>kind of some circular logic.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 9>But well, and other other points you could Other points

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<v Speaker 9>you could make is that the Church never in history

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<v Speaker 9>taught sola fide. I mean literally, the ancient world didn't

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<v Speaker 9>even have the metaphysics and the nominalism necessary to divorce

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<v Speaker 9>one's status from the ontological reality. So if you don't know,

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<v Speaker 9>justification by faith alone is premised on the possibility of

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<v Speaker 9>divorcing what is ontologically the case from what is nominally

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<v Speaker 9>in a legal sense status said to be the case.

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<v Speaker 9>So it's as if you could be actually wicked in reality,

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<v Speaker 9>but you're declared nominally righteous via a legal standing. The

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<v Speaker 9>ancient world didn't think that way. They didn't divorce reality

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<v Speaker 9>from nominal or word terminology or legal standing. That's something

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<v Speaker 9>that develops after nominalism takes precedence in the Late Middle

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<v Speaker 9>Ages and influences. Luther is a nominalist that follows Gabriel

436
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<v Speaker 9>Bile and Akham that those philosophers had to come first

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<v Speaker 9>before you could get the idea of divorcing righteousness from

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<v Speaker 9>actually being righteous. You see, the ancient world did not

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<v Speaker 9>think that way. This is now well known and admit

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<v Speaker 9>in the scholarship. So even if you find a passage

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<v Speaker 9>in the Church Fathers that says we're saved by grace,

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<v Speaker 9>people like you know, James White, will just go in so,

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<v Speaker 9>oh see, they're teaching the Protestant doctor of justification boy

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<v Speaker 9>faith alone. Even though Alistair McGrath, the famous Protestant, in

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<v Speaker 9>his book Ustecia Day, has admitted that nobody in the

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<v Speaker 9>ancient world or in the Middle Ages taught anything close

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<v Speaker 9>to the Protestant doctrine of justification by faith alone.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you, I appreciate that. Man. One more thing.

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<v Speaker 30>I know this may not be relevant to the topic.

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<v Speaker 30>Do you think bitcoin is going to go back down?

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<v Speaker 9>I think that, like I said in the last live stream,

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<v Speaker 9>if there is a dip, usually what happens is that

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<v Speaker 9>when there's a crash, the crash of the of the

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<v Speaker 9>latest cycle is the peak of the last cycle. So

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<v Speaker 9>the peak of this cycle has been about sixty.

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<v Speaker 30>Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The faith did go

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<v Speaker 30>back down, it would not go packtick yet, right.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think we'll see like you know, bitcoin below sick.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean it's possible you have a like.

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<v Speaker 30>A prediction like when what do you mean when, like

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<v Speaker 30>when if it did hit the floor, like when it

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<v Speaker 30>would Oh.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think based on past cycles, and this is

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<v Speaker 9>not any infallible guide, but it's just the best guess.

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<v Speaker 9>Is that right around uh, you know, June is when

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<v Speaker 9>the since we're since we're in a bullmarket now, the

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<v Speaker 9>bull the bullmarker will probably start ending around June, and

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<v Speaker 9>then we'll probably see a crash around that time.

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<v Speaker 8>All right, man, thank you. Yeah, I'm gonna go.

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<v Speaker 9>H but I but again, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know if I would rest in there being

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<v Speaker 9>a crash to sixty you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 9>let's say we get two hundred thousand dollars bitcoin, it

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<v Speaker 9>might crash to one hundred, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 8>Right, Yeah, that's that's fair. Yeah, I've been thinking about that.

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<v Speaker 22>Thank you for the uh, for the insights on the arguments.

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<v Speaker 22>I'm gonna go, uh talk to my friend about that

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<v Speaker 22>and see what they say.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, great questions. You could also always you know, shift

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<v Speaker 9>the topic over to he may not want to shift

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<v Speaker 9>the topic, but you could you could talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>the canon of scripture, because you know, Protestanism is really

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<v Speaker 9>grounded on solo fide and excuse me, solo scriptura as well,

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<v Speaker 9>solo fide sol scripture. You know, the sola's the only

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<v Speaker 9>in other words, sola fide itself rests on solo scriptura,

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<v Speaker 9>right because they need their specific canon, which for example,

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<v Speaker 9>excludes books that talk about the necessity works. And Luther

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<v Speaker 9>was even explicit about this when he talked about why

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<v Speaker 9>certain deuterocanatical books had to be removed, which you didn't

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<v Speaker 9>agree with, but he said, you know, the since these

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<v Speaker 9>books don't teach quote the doctrine and Gospel of Grace,

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<v Speaker 9>they're clearly not part of the canon. So Luther's presupposition

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<v Speaker 9>about what the Gospel of Grace was was a big

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<v Speaker 9>part of dictating why he chose to exclude those books

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<v Speaker 9>from the canon. It's not the only reason, but it

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<v Speaker 9>was part of it. Seraphim Saraphim, what's up?

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<v Speaker 19>Man?

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<v Speaker 9>Go I'm you, I'm you dude?

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<v Speaker 8>Hey man?

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<v Speaker 19>Hey man?

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<v Speaker 8>How you doing hey?

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<v Speaker 31>Hey?

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<v Speaker 11>So I had a few questions. I know this is

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<v Speaker 11>a debate, However, this is a this is not my

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<v Speaker 11>position ask questions. It's fine, okay, awesome, man. So I

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<v Speaker 11>have a friend that is in the O c A.

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<v Speaker 11>I won't mention his name or anything.

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<v Speaker 14>And he claims that there's a lot of people that

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<v Speaker 14>you know, uh, say that they're a humanist this and that,

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<v Speaker 14>and he views that those that view the O c

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<v Speaker 14>A as a humanist our sectarians almost like akin to

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<v Speaker 14>that of like the calendarists, like true orthodox schismatic types.

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<v Speaker 14>And I mean digging into it, like what why would

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<v Speaker 14>one say that the O c A Is a humanist?

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<v Speaker 8>I guess is what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 9>There's more accurately, every jurisdiction has a humanists and liberal

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<v Speaker 9>accumanizing elements amongst them, so there's no perfect jurisdiction. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>sure you can find a humanist amongst rocorps, but whether

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<v Speaker 9>there are a humanists amongst the OCA is. Of course

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<v Speaker 9>there are. There's a humanists in the Antiochians. There's a

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<v Speaker 9>humanist in everywhere, so that shouldn't even really But it's

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<v Speaker 9>not like the entire thing is that way.

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<v Speaker 32>Okay, So what did you say, Like OCA is as

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<v Speaker 32>a whole is like not, I only use the word tainted,

525
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<v Speaker 32>but like not like just because there's some a humanist

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<v Speaker 32>presence within some of the clergy within the OCA that

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<v Speaker 32>doesn't like undermine.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, remember that although there is this kind of there

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<v Speaker 9>is a sense in which the various jurisdictions operate as

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<v Speaker 9>a kind of a collective. Really Orthodoxy is in many

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<v Speaker 9>ways decentralized, and so there's gonna be a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>good priests and a lot of good perhaps even bishops.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm not familiar with all the bishops of the OCA,

534
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<v Speaker 9>but I mean there's certain bishops of the OCA who

535
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<v Speaker 9>are really bad, like Archbishop Alexander Gilitzen, who thinks Origin

536
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<v Speaker 9>is a saint and is obviously a big open ecumenist.

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<v Speaker 9>So there's bad elements amongst the clergy anywhere, but it

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<v Speaker 9>wouldn't make the entire OCA bad because these are essentially

539
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<v Speaker 9>decentralized jurisdictions and them and even amongst Greek Orthodox there's

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<v Speaker 9>solid anti Acumenist sections in groups. So it's really just

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<v Speaker 9>a case by case basis. I would say there's no

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<v Speaker 9>perfect jurisdictions or perfect you know, parishes or anything like that,

543
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<v Speaker 9>but certainly certain jurisdictions have a tendency towards more of it.

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<v Speaker 9>And the other thing with the OCA is that there's

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<v Speaker 9>I think there's a danger that some people sense and

546
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<v Speaker 9>feel this is not coming from me, but from certain clergy,

547
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<v Speaker 9>is that there might be backdoor deals that are happening

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<v Speaker 9>whereby the OCA wants to achieve eventually recognition by the EP.

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<v Speaker 9>And that's because the OCA has always kind of been

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<v Speaker 9>in a somewhat ambiguous statu in terms of their canonical recognition.

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<v Speaker 9>Not all the jurisdictions have actually recognized the OCA, and

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<v Speaker 9>this goes back to issues in the Cold War. And

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<v Speaker 9>so there might be on the part of some elements

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<v Speaker 9>of the OA that the desire to achieve full canonical recognition,

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<v Speaker 9>which could then allow a backdoor deal with the EP,

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<v Speaker 9>whereby they maintain a continued status as supposedly an independent jurisdiction,

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<v Speaker 9>but they kind of have a secret backdoor deal with

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<v Speaker 9>Bartholomew and go Art. So that's also a possibility, and

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<v Speaker 9>that might be why some people are saying.

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<v Speaker 19>That awesome, Hey, that was a good answer. That clears

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<v Speaker 19>things up. And then I have another question on that

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<v Speaker 19>of baptism.

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<v Speaker 33>So I just read on the reception of the heterodotsy

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<v Speaker 33>to do with that, that's church by Uncome Mount and

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<v Speaker 33>press and it kind of left them with more questions

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<v Speaker 33>than answers.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I just if you go back to the last

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<v Speaker 9>open Debate stream, we had about a whole hour where

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<v Speaker 9>we discussed this, So I would just say go back

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<v Speaker 9>and watch that stream because I just don't really want

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<v Speaker 9>to repeat the whole hour of argumentation about that topic.

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<v Speaker 9>But I think it's the last open Debate live stream

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<v Speaker 9>that we had, we had about a I don't know

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<v Speaker 9>two or three people asking that question. So, and I'm

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<v Speaker 9>not trying to be dismissive or rude, it's just I

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<v Speaker 9>just I've literally had probably fifteen people in the last

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<v Speaker 9>three years asked that question, and after spending an hour

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<v Speaker 9>every live stream on that topic, it's just it gets

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<v Speaker 9>really old. But I appreciate that. And you can go

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<v Speaker 9>check out the previous lection that we did Bob Bob,

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<v Speaker 9>the Duke, Bob, the Duck, Bob the Duck. Welcome everybody,

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<v Speaker 9>if you would like and share. We had like eight

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<v Speaker 9>hundred people and two hundred likes. Now one thousand people.

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<v Speaker 9>We hit over a thousand and one and fifty one

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<v Speaker 9>current viewers. Only two hundred of y'all like the stream.

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<v Speaker 9>What the hell is going on? Maybe y'all don't like

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<v Speaker 9>we got eight hundred haters up in here. What's up

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<v Speaker 9>eight hundred haters? No, Bigcoin is not a scam. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>sorry that you believe that. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>people when they miss out on opportunities, uh, they get

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<v Speaker 9>angry and bitter, and then suddenly it was always good.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So people who were very successful through it, they

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<v Speaker 9>must all be part of a giant scam. Everything is

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<v Speaker 9>a scam. Oh, I'm blackpilled. Everything's bad. Everything's a scam.

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<v Speaker 9>You gotta I'm mute, Boba duck. What's up? I'm mute.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 34>I remember the Church of Jesus Christ the Latter day Saints,

599
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<v Speaker 34>and my friend was saying that I should debate you,

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<v Speaker 34>But really I was just trying to get an understanding

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<v Speaker 34>of the what you called it, the monarchical trinitarian view

602
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<v Speaker 34>or something like that. But it sounded like you had

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<v Speaker 34>other things that you wanted to debate about Mormonism.

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<v Speaker 9>Or we debate whatever you want. I don't care. We

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<v Speaker 9>could talk about Trinity, or we could debate Mormonism, whatever

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<v Speaker 9>you want.

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<v Speaker 34>Honestly, I don't have many issues with the Orthodox. I

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<v Speaker 34>think they're closer than everyone else. You know, we're in

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<v Speaker 34>an agreement on my grace versus works. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 34>we're an agreement on rejecting Thomism. Thombism, however, you pronounced that.

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<v Speaker 35>A lot of stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 34>So I don't dislike any of my Orthodox guys, and

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<v Speaker 34>I don't have enough of a knowledge of their doctrine

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<v Speaker 34>to have issues with it.

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<v Speaker 9>Can I ask you a question? Yeah, One of the

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<v Speaker 9>things that I think is probably just on the surface,

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<v Speaker 9>one of the most maybe difficult elements for me in

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<v Speaker 9>terms of what I mean. I'm not an expert on Mormonism.

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<v Speaker 9>I've done over the years. I've done a decent amount

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<v Speaker 9>of research. I've read Talmadge, one of your systematic Theologians,

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<v Speaker 9>and other kind of older texts from Brigham Young and

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<v Speaker 9>Joseph Smith, and you know, doctrine Covenants, Pearl of Great Price,

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<v Speaker 9>various sermons that Smith gave over the years. But I

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<v Speaker 9>think one of the most difficult things for me to

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<v Speaker 9>understand is the added sections where Joseph Smith added about

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<v Speaker 9>thirteen or twelve or thirteen verses to Genesis fifty, which

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<v Speaker 9>included himself being prophesied in the Book of Genesis. To me,

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<v Speaker 9>that on the surface just completely destroys this entire religion.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, the Joseph Smith translation was non necessarily intended.

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<v Speaker 5>To be.

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<v Speaker 34>Like oh, this was actually in Genesis, or even necessarily

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<v Speaker 34>like this is canon.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, so I can add to the Bible and present

634
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<v Speaker 9>it as if it's a prophecy. I mean, you understand

635
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<v Speaker 9>these verses are intended to predict and prophesy. Joseph Smith,

636
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<v Speaker 9>you absolutely can.

637
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<v Speaker 12>And this is something I can't talks about.

638
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<v Speaker 34>Where Nephi is reading in Isaiah and he says, well,

639
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<v Speaker 34>I made this, and I liken the scriptures unto myself.

640
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<v Speaker 34>So he tries to find himself in the scriptures and

641
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<v Speaker 34>let God teach him new things about himself or about

642
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 34>God from the scriptures rather than seeking strictly that's what.

643
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<v Speaker 9>But see, that's what. Are you aware of the way that,

644
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<v Speaker 9>for example, Muslims do this with Mohammed in the Book

645
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<v Speaker 9>of John or in Deuteronomy, that those passages are prophesying Mohammed.

646
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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, but they don't necessarily.

647
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<v Speaker 34>But like we don't use the Joseph and the translation

648
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<v Speaker 34>is like evidence.

649
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.800
<v Speaker 9>It doesn't matter whether you use it now because it's

650
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<v Speaker 9>evidence of a con man. He's a fraud.

651
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<v Speaker 34>You could say it like that, but you could also say, well,

652
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<v Speaker 34>you know, an actual prophecy would look like that way too.

653
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<v Speaker 9>Right Like now, actual prophets don't add themselves eighteen hundred

654
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<v Speaker 9>years later to the text, and.

655
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<v Speaker 34>You reading the Book of Matthew would say, these are

656
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<v Speaker 34>clearly the apostles retroactively reading.

657
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<v Speaker 11>Christ.

658
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<v Speaker 9>Not at all, totally, totally not true. Number one, no

659
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<v Speaker 9>matter what Jews say. But that's not at all. That's

660
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<v Speaker 9>the argument Gesus himself makes, not the Pharisees. It's Jesus

661
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.679
<v Speaker 9>saying that these Old Testament passages predict me, totally different

662
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<v Speaker 9>than retroactively saying eighteen hundred years later the Book of Genesis,

663
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 9>which actually thousands of years later, retroactively the Book of

664
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 9>Genesis predicted Joseph Smith. That's preposterous.

665
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Speaker 34>So Jesus saying eighteen hundred years earlier, Moses predicted me.

666
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 9>Are you aware of what the Gospel of John says?

667
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.920
<v Speaker 9>Jesus doesn't just say those books predicted me. He says,

668
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:32.239
<v Speaker 9>I spoke through those prophets. Sure, yes, no, that's not

669
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<v Speaker 9>the same. What did hold on?

670
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:35.519
<v Speaker 16>What did I just say?

671
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:37.719
<v Speaker 9>What did Jesus? What did I just say?

672
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 8>He said that Jesus said he spoke through the prophet.

673
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<v Speaker 9>Does Jesus say, what does Jesus claim that in the Gospels? Yeah, okay,

674
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<v Speaker 9>so that's different. Man, that's totally different than what you're

675
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<v Speaker 9>talking about.

676
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 34>Again, for a Jew who rejects Jesus Christ.

677
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<v Speaker 9>That's a fallacy. You have, dumb dis argument is Jews

678
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:09.000
<v Speaker 9>reject the Book of Mormon. Sure, so what the heck

679
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:09.679
<v Speaker 9>does Jews.

680
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<v Speaker 28>Have to do with anything?

681
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 9>That's a stupid argument. That's a dumb argument. What does

682
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 9>Jews have to do with anything?

683
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<v Speaker 34>I'm saying that the same principle by which you're discounting.

684
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<v Speaker 9>No, you're using a fallacy. It's not the same principle.

685
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 9>You're way off retroactively saying eighteen hundred years later.

686
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 8>Well, whatever you think. It is like the same loge.

687
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<v Speaker 34>It could be used by someone who is inclined to

688
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.440
<v Speaker 34>argue against Christ.

689
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<v Speaker 9>No, it couldn't. That's the false equivalence. You don't see

690
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<v Speaker 9>the difference there. If Joseph Smith said I was predicted

691
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<v Speaker 9>in the Book of Genesis because I spoke. If Joseph

692
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<v Speaker 9>Smith said I was predicted in the Book of Genesis

693
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<v Speaker 9>because my spirit, yes, I can hear you? Can you

694
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:57.280
<v Speaker 9>hear me?

695
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 8>Okay, I'm back.

696
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 9>Can you hear me?

697
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:03.440
<v Speaker 19>Can you hear me?

698
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 16>Yes?

699
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<v Speaker 9>Can you hear you? Okay? So if Joseph, if Joseph Smith,

700
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 9>do stop for a second. Stop for a second. Okay,

701
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:19.480
<v Speaker 9>let's walk through this. If Joseph Smith said, I spoke

702
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 9>through the spirit that was speaking in Genesis, it was

703
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 9>my spirit speaking in Genesis to predict me. Shut up, man, Well,

704
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 9>are you're not going to stop talking when I'm explaining

705
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:31.800
<v Speaker 9>this to you? Why do you keep interrupting? Let me.

706
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:33.519
<v Speaker 13>Right?

707
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:35.320
<v Speaker 9>Why is this funny?

708
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 8>I'm hearing you out.

709
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but you're giggling. Why are you giggling? Are you

710
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:50.360
<v Speaker 9>giggling at the idiots of momentum? I mean I would

711
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 9>be giggling too if I was a Mormon, because all

712
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:56.639
<v Speaker 9>this stuff is amability stupid. So again, if if Joseph

713
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 9>Smith said, I am speaking through Genesis, that would be

714
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 9>all right. If you're not gonna, if you're gonna, If

715
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.679
<v Speaker 9>you don't stop, understand, if you don't stop talking over

716
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 9>me and interrupting, We're done. That's just so stupid. You

717
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 9>want to call back in and try to get a

718
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:13.159
<v Speaker 9>better connection, because I think there's a delay. You're welcome

719
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 9>to call back in and try again. But it's just

720
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 9>I'm not gonna talk to somebody who talks every two

721
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.599
<v Speaker 9>seconds when I start talking Golden weak. No, there's not

722
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:27.440
<v Speaker 9>an equivalence between Jesus saying I spoke through Moses. All

723
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 9>of the revelation in Genesis is about me, because I

724
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 9>was the one speaking through all of those texts. Peter

725
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:36.760
<v Speaker 9>says it was the spirit of Christ that prophesied through

726
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 9>the Old Testament. That's not the same thing as Joseph

727
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:43.079
<v Speaker 9>Smith saying I'm gonna add verses to the Book of

728
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:47.239
<v Speaker 9>Genesis that predict me. That's a totally false, false equivalence.

729
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.800
<v Speaker 9>How stupid this is. Go ahead, I'm mute.

730
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 8>kJ how's it going?

731
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 9>Can you hear me?

732
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 8>Yep?

733
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 12>Awesome. I don't have any debate or anything.

734
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:58.199
<v Speaker 19>I just have a question.

735
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.840
<v Speaker 36>Anybody have actually talked about this already, So if you

736
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.960
<v Speaker 36>have my apologies and you can just shoot me away,

737
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:05.119
<v Speaker 36>I'll find the other reference.

738
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 12>But what do you think about loose from the Catholic Church?

739
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.400
<v Speaker 8>And then about what about Loose?

740
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 9>I guess we already covered that, like three lives rooms back.

741
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:15.840
<v Speaker 9>I made fun of it. I made fun of it

742
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<v Speaker 9>for an hour.

743
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<v Speaker 36>What is a What do you think about secular art,

744
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.960
<v Speaker 36>like art that's not blessed by a priest being used

745
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 36>to promote Christianity.

746
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 9>There's nothing wrong with Christian art. It's just that the

747
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 9>canons of the Orthodox Church were set up to dictate

748
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:44.039
<v Speaker 9>the liturgical worship practice. And by the way, it's actually

749
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.280
<v Speaker 9>it's not even the Seventh Council that first starts to

750
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.719
<v Speaker 9>rule on this, it's actually the Council Trollo. Trollo and

751
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Speaker 9>Canon eighty two, it is one of the first canons

752
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 9>of the Church to specify what's appropriate and not appropriate

753
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.440
<v Speaker 9>to the liturgi worship of the Church in terms of

754
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 9>imagery and iconography. And so the Church even at that

755
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:07.239
<v Speaker 9>time forbade pagan art. In Canon eighty two, I think

756
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:11.039
<v Speaker 9>they talk about pagan's styles of art, and then that

757
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.360
<v Speaker 9>becomes the basis in part for the theology of the

758
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 9>Seventh Ecumenical Council. So for the Orthodox Church in the East,

759
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.599
<v Speaker 9>Trollo was pretty much seen as an ecumenical council, and

760
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.880
<v Speaker 9>even Pote John the Eighth pretty much agreed with everything

761
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 9>that was in Trollo, including the elements if I recall

762
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 9>relating to married priests. And it's only much later that

763
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:36.760
<v Speaker 9>the Vatican, the papacy rejects elements of Trollo, but the

764
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:40.960
<v Speaker 9>Seventh Ecumenical Council affirms Trollo. So once again we see

765
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 9>that the principles of iconography and the Seventh Council aren't

766
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.559
<v Speaker 9>made up by the Seventh Council. They actually go back

767
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:55.239
<v Speaker 9>to Quinnessex Trollo Council. And even earlier you have, for example,

768
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:01.440
<v Speaker 9>Canon seventy three of Trollo mentions sake art and what's appropriate,

769
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 9>what's not appropriate, and keeping pagan art out of the church.

770
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.639
<v Speaker 9>Now what's considered pagan art? Well, when you look at

771
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 9>what if you go to the Vatican, which I've been

772
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:12.679
<v Speaker 9>to the Vatican, I have been to the Vatican Museum

773
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:16.760
<v Speaker 9>and all that, you'll notice all kinds of nudies and

774
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 9>boobies and tiny peepies. I guess everybody in the Red

775
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:23.199
<v Speaker 9>County Church has tiny peepies, because all the artwork in

776
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:27.320
<v Speaker 9>Rome is all like micropenes. But and that makes sense,

777
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:28.920
<v Speaker 9>maybe that's why they are the way they are. But

778
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 9>when you go inside the Vatican, when you go into

779
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.440
<v Speaker 9>Saint Peter's and you see naked people everywhere. Do you

780
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.440
<v Speaker 9>think the ancient Church had nudies everywhere, had you know,

781
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 9>boobs and butts, and they're all fat people by the way, Yeah,

782
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.119
<v Speaker 9>that has nothing to do at all with what the

783
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 9>seven Documentical Council lays down. And what that shows us

784
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 9>is that all the way back to even earlier than

785
00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 9>the Renaissance papacy, the Western Church gave verbal credence to

786
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:04.199
<v Speaker 9>the teaching of Trollo and the Seventh Ecamenical Council when

787
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.679
<v Speaker 9>it came to iconography. They never understood or accepted the

788
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 9>theology of the Council, because the theology of the Seventh

789
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:15.760
<v Speaker 9>Ecminical Council is literally bound up with our Christology, our

790
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.719
<v Speaker 9>you know, fasting and assetic practices. In other words, what's

791
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 9>appropriate for in the church. Obviously, nude people everywhere is

792
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 9>not appropriate for the church. Hence why they have all

793
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 9>this nonsense of histrionic women, saints right, and spiritual orgasms.

794
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.840
<v Speaker 9>None of that exists in the Orgied Church. I'm being serious,

795
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.119
<v Speaker 9>Theresa of Abel and all those people, right, That's because

796
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.519
<v Speaker 9>the Roman Church only gave verbal credence to the Seventh

797
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 9>Echeminical Council and never cared about the actual theology and

798
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:51.599
<v Speaker 9>banning pagan art for iconographic purposes. So sacred art is fine,

799
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 9>it just has no place in other words, like Christian

800
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:56.920
<v Speaker 9>art work. You know, if I'm gonna paint you know,

801
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:02.199
<v Speaker 9>Paul preaching in a you know, I don't know, Rembrandts

802
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 9>style where Paul's preaching right to the pagans or something.

803
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:07.880
<v Speaker 9>There's nothing wrong with any of that. It just doesn't

804
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 9>belong in the liturgical setting of the church.

805
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.320
<v Speaker 36>I gotcha, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be blessed by

806
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 36>a priest at that point. And then of course you

807
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:15.679
<v Speaker 36>couldn't use it.

808
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 12>Like in the church.

809
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.159
<v Speaker 9>Well, I don't know if what you mean by blessed

810
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:23.960
<v Speaker 9>by a priest, because I mean you could you could

811
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<v Speaker 9>say that, you know, Like the imagery is like for example,

812
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 9>it just it depends, right, So like this image, for example,

813
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 9>the famous image of you know, Adam and Eve touch

814
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:41.360
<v Speaker 9>or excuse me, God touching Adam. This is a heterodox

815
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 9>image because it's presenting God the Father as if he's

816
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:51.519
<v Speaker 9>this old man that creates Adam. When Adam is created

817
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 9>on the image and in the prototype of Christ, there

818
00:54:55.239 --> 00:55:00.360
<v Speaker 9>is no incarnate God, the Father, the Father is never incarnate.

819
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.800
<v Speaker 8>You see. Oh yeah, I never thought about that.

820
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, And if you read the later icon count like

821
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.800
<v Speaker 9>for so, in the sixteen hundreds in Russia they had

822
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 9>really big icon councils. They're not ecumenical councils, but they're

823
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:16.079
<v Speaker 9>still very important for Orthodox iconography, and they were having

824
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 9>to deal with UH Jesuit promoted Western heterodox iconography coming

825
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.599
<v Speaker 9>into Russia and Eastern churches. And the point was that

826
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:28.159
<v Speaker 9>a lot of these icons were intended to teach Philly okuay,

827
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<v Speaker 9>and so you have he in the Orthox church. You

828
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:34.039
<v Speaker 9>have heterodox icons, and there's many of them that makes sense. Yeah,

829
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.119
<v Speaker 9>there's one called h like I forget all the names.

830
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 9>This is in volume two of the Lost lostky Alspensky

831
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.199
<v Speaker 9>book on icons. There's a whole chapter on heterodox icons.

832
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 9>And part of the decision again had to do with,

833
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:51.440
<v Speaker 9>you know, not having images of God the Father. So anyway,

834
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<v Speaker 9>does that answer your questions that I said, I.

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<v Speaker 12>Really appreciate that, Jay, and I got another one here.

836
00:55:58.079 --> 00:55:59.840
<v Speaker 36>This is a maybe this will get some of the

837
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.400
<v Speaker 36>UH Muslim folks spun up for some debates here.

838
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:04.920
<v Speaker 12>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 36>I noticed the contradiction in the Kuran that I wanted

840
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<v Speaker 36>to share with you. Sure, and and might maybe you

841
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<v Speaker 36>could say if it's a good contradiction or you know whatever.

842
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:18.920
<v Speaker 36>But so there's a surah which is two to one, yeah,

843
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 36>two two one two two to one, and it states

844
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 36>that Muslim men cannot marry polytheistic women.

845
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:27.440
<v Speaker 19>Okay.

846
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:32.400
<v Speaker 36>And and as you know, many Muslim apologists will argue

847
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:34.559
<v Speaker 36>that the Trinity is a form of polytheism.

848
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:36.199
<v Speaker 9>Sure, actually the Koran.

849
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:36.440
<v Speaker 8>Says it is.

850
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, the exactly the Koran says it is.

851
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:44.519
<v Speaker 36>In Surah five five, it states explicitly that Muslim men

852
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 36>can marry Christian and Jewish women. This is this Allah

853
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.639
<v Speaker 36>confirming that there is something correct about the Trinity.

854
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.440
<v Speaker 9>In other words, if you can marry Christian women, then

855
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.280
<v Speaker 9>Christianity is not polytheis exactly.

856
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.320
<v Speaker 36>It's either it's either Alla didn't know that the trinity

857
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:08.199
<v Speaker 36>or that he approved of it. And you know, there's

858
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:10.599
<v Speaker 36>a bill the like to site the like to site

859
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:15.880
<v Speaker 36>a further exegesis by Umar and he was a companion

860
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.679
<v Speaker 36>of Muhammad, and he states that it's best not to

861
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.960
<v Speaker 36>marry Christian women because because of their doctrine on trinity.

862
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.280
<v Speaker 36>So he says you should you should avoid Mary and

863
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.639
<v Speaker 36>Christian women. Luckily, Allah thought about that in his greatness.

864
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.840
<v Speaker 36>In ser five eighty seven, it was revealed that Allah said,

865
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.400
<v Speaker 36>you should not forbid yourself for all the things.

866
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:39.760
<v Speaker 12>That have been made lawful to you. For Allah is great.

867
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.519
<v Speaker 9>Nice. Yeah, now I pulled up each of these texts

868
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 9>so everybody can see on screen the three texts that

869
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.159
<v Speaker 9>he's mentioned. All of these have been pulled up for you.

870
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:54.079
<v Speaker 9>So there's a very clear contradiction and what it actually shows,

871
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:56.559
<v Speaker 9>which we've known for many years. And as Kai has

872
00:57:56.599 --> 00:58:00.719
<v Speaker 9>shown in his early or watching out of videos, the

873
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 9>Qoran and Muhammad did not understand the Trinity. Even if

874
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.159
<v Speaker 9>you think the Trinity is wrong, we would at least

875
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:11.000
<v Speaker 9>expect the Koran to get what the Christians believe correct.

876
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.679
<v Speaker 9>But they don't. Well why would they not at least

877
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.840
<v Speaker 9>get it correct? Isn't all knowing? I mean again, even

878
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:20.400
<v Speaker 9>if it's false, you could at least state the doctrine correctly, right.

879
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, exactly, I mean, and he would know all versions.

880
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.320
<v Speaker 9>Of Christianity, all versions, Oh exactly right, he would know

881
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:31.440
<v Speaker 9>all the sacks, all the different groups correct.

882
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:32.320
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

883
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.440
<v Speaker 36>So there's even you know, modalism, which which I don't

884
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.880
<v Speaker 36>know if you'd even consider that trinitarian or not, but

885
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:41.599
<v Speaker 36>you know, there's so many versions of it that surely

886
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.400
<v Speaker 36>one might be justifiable at anyway.

887
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:47.760
<v Speaker 9>That's a great contradiction. I appreciate. I wasn't aware of

888
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 9>that one, but yeah, it does seem like it would

889
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:52.480
<v Speaker 9>be an outright contradiction. So I appreciate that. A we're

890
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.559
<v Speaker 9>going to try the Mormon guy again if maybe he's

891
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:57.599
<v Speaker 9>got a better connection. There's not a delay. What's up man?

892
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 9>You there? You want I'm mute?

893
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I'm back.

894
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:16.519
<v Speaker 9>Sorry, Okay, So let me restate what I was trying

895
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:18.920
<v Speaker 9>to argue to you. It's a false equivalence to say

896
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.679
<v Speaker 9>that because Jesus says I'm the one that spoke through

897
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.440
<v Speaker 9>all those prophets in the Old Testament. That's not the

898
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:27.760
<v Speaker 9>same thing as Joseph Smith saying, oh, let me add

899
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.599
<v Speaker 9>a few verses to the last chapter of Genesis to

900
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:33.559
<v Speaker 9>predict me. That's totally that's a false equivalence, very different.

901
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:34.920
<v Speaker 16>Okay.

902
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.400
<v Speaker 19>See, you're saying like the problem is adding.

903
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 9>Scripture, right, Well, it's not just that, but it's also

904
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:44.519
<v Speaker 9>a con man element that obviously nothing in the Book

905
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:46.960
<v Speaker 9>of Genesis is talking about Joseph Smith. And what he's

906
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:50.079
<v Speaker 9>doing is because the last chapter is about Joseph the patriarch,

907
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:56.559
<v Speaker 9>he's tagging himself in there because it says Joseph, sure, sure,

908
00:59:56.719 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 9>you're okay with that? Yeah, all right, Well then I mean,

909
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:02.719
<v Speaker 9>if if it's okay to be a con man and

910
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.239
<v Speaker 9>be a fraud, then we can all do that. But

911
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:09.320
<v Speaker 9>that is what that is. Do you do you think

912
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.559
<v Speaker 9>Genesis is talking about you just admitted you admitted Genesis

913
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.079
<v Speaker 9>is not talking about Joseph Smith.

914
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, not in the text?

915
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.440
<v Speaker 9>We have no then then that's a con man fraud operation.

916
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 8>It can be.

917
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:26.519
<v Speaker 34>But again, you know, non Christians Christians.

918
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.360
<v Speaker 9>This is do you know what a fallacy is? Do

919
01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:29.440
<v Speaker 9>you know what a fallacy is?

920
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 23>What?

921
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 9>What's a fallacy?

922
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:35.000
<v Speaker 19>Formal or informal?

923
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:36.440
<v Speaker 9>Informal is fine.

924
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.159
<v Speaker 34>Informal is two logical propositions that do not necessarily connect

925
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:43.800
<v Speaker 34>to the conclusion.

926
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:48.000
<v Speaker 9>Right, So the fact that people in other religions don't

927
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:51.519
<v Speaker 9>accept Jesus' claims has nothing to do with whether or

928
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.880
<v Speaker 9>not Joseph Smith's adding verses makes him still a potential prophet.

929
01:00:56.079 --> 01:01:01.880
<v Speaker 9>Those are two totally disconnected. What does the attitude of Jews.

930
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:02.239
<v Speaker 25>Have to do with this.

931
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.800
<v Speaker 19>It's just that they use the same argument, right, So.

932
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.239
<v Speaker 9>What how does that make it a good argument?

933
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:11.679
<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

934
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.039
<v Speaker 34>You think it's a good enough argument to use against

935
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:15.079
<v Speaker 34>Joseph Smith, Right.

936
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:18.360
<v Speaker 9>No, I just showed you that it's a false equivalence.

937
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:19.280
<v Speaker 9>It's not the same thing.

938
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:21.360
<v Speaker 8>It's not quite the same.

939
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.199
<v Speaker 9>No, it's totally different. Jesus is not just saying that,

940
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 9>let me retroactively find a few verses that might hint

941
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:31.880
<v Speaker 9>at me. He's saying, I literally spoke the entire Old Testament.

942
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.079
<v Speaker 9>Peter says that it was the spirit of Christ who

943
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:37.159
<v Speaker 9>spoke through all the Old Testament prophets. Joseph Smith is

944
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.760
<v Speaker 9>not doing that. Joseph Smith is saying the last chapter

945
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.880
<v Speaker 9>of Genesis, it's about the patriarch Joseph. Oh, by the way,

946
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:47.119
<v Speaker 9>here's ten extra verses about me, Joseph. That's fraud, con

947
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:47.760
<v Speaker 9>men stuff.

948
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:51.760
<v Speaker 34>Maybe Joseph did have such a prophecy in Genesis, unless

949
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:53.880
<v Speaker 34>you think it's a full account of everything.

950
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:56.159
<v Speaker 9>Happened to You just admitted a minute ago that Genesis

951
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:57.480
<v Speaker 9>is not talking about Joseph Smith.

952
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:00.800
<v Speaker 19>Yes, because it's not a full account.

953
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.199
<v Speaker 9>A full account, it has nothing to do with Joseph Smith.

954
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:07.679
<v Speaker 34>I do not know whether Joseph in Egypt had her

955
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.360
<v Speaker 34>personal prophecy about Joseph Smith.

956
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.440
<v Speaker 9>You just admitted that Joseph Smith added those verses and

957
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:15.199
<v Speaker 9>you said we don't have to accept that as a Mormon.

958
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.519
<v Speaker 9>Now you're trying to say, well, maybe it can be counted,

959
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 9>so you're flip flopping.

960
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:24.400
<v Speaker 34>No, please, please listen, I don't know whether Joseph had

961
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:25.159
<v Speaker 34>this prophecy.

962
01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:28.480
<v Speaker 9>You just said a minute ago that you don't have

963
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.480
<v Speaker 9>to believe those as a Mormon, did you not, Yes,

964
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 9>And now you're flipping the argument and saying that, well,

965
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:39.039
<v Speaker 9>maybe actually Joseph did have a prophecy of Joseph Smith.

966
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.159
<v Speaker 8>Okay, how is that different from we don't have to believe.

967
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:46.519
<v Speaker 9>It, because now you're admitting that it was a prophecy,

968
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:48.280
<v Speaker 9>when a minute ago you said that Joseph Smith might

969
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:52.480
<v Speaker 9>have actually just added those things. Which one is it? No,

970
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:57.400
<v Speaker 9>you've contradicted which one is it? You're moving the gold

971
01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.320
<v Speaker 9>post in the middle of the argument. Which one is it?

972
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:05.239
<v Speaker 13>Uh?

973
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:09.039
<v Speaker 34>Personally, I would say, if you'd let me finish that

974
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:12.559
<v Speaker 34>it was Joseph likening the scriptures on chin cell and

975
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.719
<v Speaker 34>God kind of speaking to.

976
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.480
<v Speaker 19>Him as if this was true scripture and using it.

977
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:22.599
<v Speaker 34>To teach Joseph Smith something about Joseph Smith not necessarily

978
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:23.800
<v Speaker 34>completely suid.

979
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 9>All right, we're out here, We're done. This is the

980
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:33.199
<v Speaker 9>dumbesth I've ever heard. Later, yeah, yeah, goodbye. He literally

981
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:36.880
<v Speaker 9>changed the argument, right, So when the first argument that, look,

982
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:39.000
<v Speaker 9>we're more Mormons, don't have to believe this. This could

983
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:43.039
<v Speaker 9>be Joseph Smith just being creative and kind of retroactively

984
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:46.039
<v Speaker 9>finding himself in the Old Testament. Excuse me, finding himself

985
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:49.599
<v Speaker 9>in the Old Testament retroactively. And then he flips it

986
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:54.000
<v Speaker 9>and says, well, it actually could be a prophecy of him. Now,

987
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.559
<v Speaker 9>which one is it? You said ten minutes ago, you

988
01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.159
<v Speaker 9>don't have to believe it. It's just jose Smith being

989
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:04.320
<v Speaker 9>creative in a you know, retroactive prose way. Well, now

990
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:07.840
<v Speaker 9>it's actually a prophecy, and the patriarch Joseph was predicting

991
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:13.840
<v Speaker 9>Joseph Smith. So you just contradicted yourself. Vinny, I want

992
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:16.920
<v Speaker 9>people to disagree today. Okay, if you're here with your

993
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:20.000
<v Speaker 9>catechumen orthodox questions, take those to your priests.

994
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:27.079
<v Speaker 37>Jay I had a question. It was about logical fallacies.

995
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:29.199
<v Speaker 37>If you want to I'll just step down and wait

996
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:30.519
<v Speaker 37>for another time.

997
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 9>What's the question?

998
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:37.719
<v Speaker 37>There are questions about the tag position. So in the nutshell,

999
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:41.559
<v Speaker 37>we're arguing as a as Christian's logic, ethics, and science

1000
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.719
<v Speaker 37>are grounded in the triune God or the Christian paradigm,

1001
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.719
<v Speaker 37>if you will, can the same grounding be applied to

1002
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.280
<v Speaker 37>concepts like logical fallacies for example, that the gentlemen before

1003
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.440
<v Speaker 37>made one, or like circular reason, and what do we

1004
01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:01.559
<v Speaker 37>attributed it attributed to? Is it God as He's revealed

1005
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.639
<v Speaker 37>in the scripture? Like how do we justify all of

1006
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.360
<v Speaker 37>the fallacies that we know today?

1007
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:10.639
<v Speaker 9>Well, fallacies are a violation of the principles of logic,

1008
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:14.239
<v Speaker 9>So we don't have to justify fallacies. I'm not sure

1009
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:16.960
<v Speaker 9>what that means. We just have to demonstrate that the

1010
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:19.960
<v Speaker 9>principles of logic are the case. They are grounded in God.

1011
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:22.320
<v Speaker 9>They're grounded in the mind of God, the eternal mind

1012
01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:24.559
<v Speaker 9>of God, and so that's what gives them their permanence,

1013
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:27.760
<v Speaker 9>their stability. They don't evolve and turn into the opposite

1014
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:31.760
<v Speaker 9>of themselves, and so any fallacy is merely a violation

1015
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:34.239
<v Speaker 9>of those principles of logic. So you don't have to

1016
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:37.960
<v Speaker 9>you don't have to quote justify fallacies. You justify the

1017
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:41.119
<v Speaker 9>logical principles, and then by extension, any fallacy is a

1018
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.599
<v Speaker 9>violation of those principles. Nectarios.

1019
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:56.000
<v Speaker 8>Hello God, yep, let's if you say.

1020
01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 19>I was gonna have a question, but I'll just actually

1021
01:05:58.559 --> 01:05:58.920
<v Speaker 19>just take.

1022
01:05:58.840 --> 01:05:59.440
<v Speaker 8>It to my priests.

1023
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.199
<v Speaker 19>But I do want to make a comment real quick.

1024
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:05.599
<v Speaker 19>Sure you know Protestants also make that same marketing.

1025
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:07.400
<v Speaker 8>Well, the Jews says this, and the Jews.

1026
01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:10.000
<v Speaker 9>Now the Muslims remember that, I've had multiple Muslims say

1027
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:13.920
<v Speaker 9>Jews don't accept the prophecies of Christ in the Old Testament.

1028
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.840
<v Speaker 9>So yeah, exactly, this is totally irrelevant, totally, but what

1029
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:19.480
<v Speaker 9>about But what.

1030
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:22.159
<v Speaker 38>About the Jews who will then convert to Orthodox and

1031
01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:24.079
<v Speaker 38>say no, the Orthodox and justified.

1032
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.039
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's arbitrary, Like why yeah, what about those Jews?

1033
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:28.360
<v Speaker 9>And by the way, Jews don't accept the Book of Mormon,

1034
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:29.920
<v Speaker 9>so like what is that? What does that have to

1035
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:30.360
<v Speaker 9>do with earth?

1036
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.320
<v Speaker 20>And also, I don't Mormons don't even accept the Bible anyways,

1037
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:35.880
<v Speaker 20>I've had tons of conversations with Mormon.

1038
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.719
<v Speaker 9>No, it's a stupid cult that they say. Once you

1039
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.480
<v Speaker 9>start talking to him, then it turns out they'll tell you, Oh, well,

1040
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:44.639
<v Speaker 9>by the way, the Bible has errors in it, and

1041
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:46.559
<v Speaker 9>the Book of Mormon fixes all that. Right, So it's

1042
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:51.000
<v Speaker 9>just like it's just like Islam. Mormonism is an American

1043
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:57.320
<v Speaker 9>prairie muffin Islam Manuel. What's up? The only difference, by

1044
01:06:57.320 --> 01:06:59.400
<v Speaker 9>the way, is that you know, actually I was going

1045
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:03.239
<v Speaker 9>to say, is is you know not. Actually Islam is polytheistic.

1046
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:08.480
<v Speaker 9>That's the real, honest truth. So just like Mormonism is polytheistic.

1047
01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:11.119
<v Speaker 9>You have multiple God. God the Father was once a body,

1048
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:14.159
<v Speaker 9>had a body, and it was impregnating women, all this nonsense,

1049
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:18.679
<v Speaker 9>and he attained to God the Father status. I mean,

1050
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:24.000
<v Speaker 9>it's literally just like Greek It's like religious marvel universe shit.

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<v Speaker 9>When you really understand Mormonism, it's completely stupid. Go ahead,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm mute, challenger. You can support the stream, by the way,

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01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:46.559
<v Speaker 9>by super chats. The super chat link is it's a marvel.

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01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:49.960
<v Speaker 9>It's like silver Surfer religion or some shit. What's up, man?

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<v Speaker 39>Yeah, So I'm just curious on the transcendental argument for

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01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:59.440
<v Speaker 39>God right now, I'd say I'm more of an agnostic,

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<v Speaker 39>and my main issue with a positive claim of God

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01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:11.880
<v Speaker 39>is that even you admit that God is a circular

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01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:16.760
<v Speaker 39>argument and you use God to justify logic, to justify

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01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:19.079
<v Speaker 39>morality and all these things.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well, how about I just use the term recursive

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<v Speaker 9>or self referencing? Is that better than circular because everybody

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<v Speaker 9>gets tripped up on the word or the terminology. We're

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<v Speaker 9>just pointing out that at a basic level, everybody's argumentation

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<v Speaker 9>will bottom out and you will have something that's self referencing.

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<v Speaker 9>So let's say, for example, we want to do linguistic philosophy.

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<v Speaker 9>Can I do linguistic philosophy without using words? Or if

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<v Speaker 9>we talk about meta loogic, can I talk about how

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<v Speaker 9>logic works or how logic exists without assuming some form

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01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:53.960
<v Speaker 9>of logic? No, it's impossible. Is that circular? No, it's

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<v Speaker 9>simply pointing out that at a different level of analysis,

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<v Speaker 9>or at a different at a meta level, you must

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<v Speaker 9>assume the things in question. So it's not circular argumentation

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<v Speaker 9>in the classic sense of a violating of a law

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<v Speaker 9>of logic. That's like mundane normal types of argumentation. It's

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<v Speaker 9>because it's a different type of category question, which necessitates

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<v Speaker 9>using the thing in question. That's why it's not circularity.

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<v Speaker 39>Okay, but couldn't you say that for anything else, like

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<v Speaker 39>you need to use you need to use words to

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<v Speaker 39>justify using words.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a category error. Do you understand that there's two

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<v Speaker 9>different There's a difference between studying logic and meta loogic.

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01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:36.479
<v Speaker 9>Those are two different types of questions. Do you know

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<v Speaker 9>what that means?

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<v Speaker 8>No, I'm not super well read on philosophy.

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<v Speaker 19>I'm just wondering because on it.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the point right there at what you don't understand

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<v Speaker 9>I'm telling I'm not trying to be rude to you,

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01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:51.079
<v Speaker 9>but I'm telling you that that's what you're misunderstanding. You're

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<v Speaker 9>assuming that, for example, fallacies across the board apply in

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<v Speaker 9>every single type of situation or case, and there a

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<v Speaker 9>certain situation where they don't apply. Let me give you

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<v Speaker 9>an example. We all agree that ad hominem is a fallacy,

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<v Speaker 9>right sure, Let's say that we're debating in one situation,

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<v Speaker 9>a case where the thing in question is precisely someone's character.

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<v Speaker 9>And so let's say we're debating, you know, the character

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<v Speaker 9>of Bill Cosby, and I bring to the table all

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<v Speaker 9>of these arguments about how Bill Cosby is a for

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<v Speaker 9>the sake of argument, a piece of crap he you know,

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<v Speaker 9>is drugging people, graping them, et cetera. Well, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 9>is that ad hominem for me to do that?

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<v Speaker 39>Oh, I mean you're you're referring to the subject at hand, which.

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<v Speaker 9>Is yes, exactly So in this case, because it's a

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<v Speaker 9>unique situation, it's not at hominem because precisely what's in

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<v Speaker 9>question is the character of the person. So likewise, if

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<v Speaker 9>we say, in the question of logic, right, if I

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<v Speaker 9>ask a metalogical question, which is about the status of

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<v Speaker 9>logic itself, what's the ontological status of logic? I cannot

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<v Speaker 9>do that without assuming logic to reason about it. So

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<v Speaker 9>it's not circular because it's simply unavoidable in a meta

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<v Speaker 9>type of question.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 39>I mean again, logic is necessary is kind of what

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<v Speaker 39>you're saying, And you're saying that logic would come from

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<v Speaker 39>God because I've seen some of your videos.

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<v Speaker 9>I've said those things, but those things don't relate to

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<v Speaker 9>what I'm saying right here. This is just a category mistake. Right,

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<v Speaker 9>So do you know what we mean by meta questions?

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<v Speaker 9>What that means?

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<v Speaker 8>A question about questioning.

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<v Speaker 9>No, a question about the status of something like the

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<v Speaker 9>like the ontological status is something you know what that

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<v Speaker 9>means they're doing. I'm not trying to put you on

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01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:49.359
<v Speaker 9>the spot of me it make you. I'm just literally

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<v Speaker 9>trying to explain. I'm not trying to be rude to you,

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01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:53.920
<v Speaker 9>but are you familiar with that term of like what

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01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:55.079
<v Speaker 9>a meta question is?

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<v Speaker 13>Uh?

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<v Speaker 9>No, Okay? So, like if I'm doing mathematics and I'm

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<v Speaker 9>doing two plus two equals four, I'm doing basic arithmetic, right,

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01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:08.760
<v Speaker 9>that's a different question from when I say what is

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<v Speaker 9>the number two or the number four? So that's a

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<v Speaker 9>different type of question. It's a meta level question where

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<v Speaker 9>I'm asking not what weather two plus two equals four?

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<v Speaker 9>But what is the ontological status of the number two

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<v Speaker 9>or the number four. That's the point is that TAG

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<v Speaker 9>is operating at that higher meta level, and so it

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<v Speaker 9>is necessarily recursive or self referencing. If you want to

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<v Speaker 9>throw out the word circular, go ahead. That's all we mean.

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<v Speaker 19>Okay, But I mean I'm just saying that.

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<v Speaker 39>If you're gonna say that you can't do logic without that, right, right,

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<v Speaker 39>I mean I don't see how that's.

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<v Speaker 9>The case, Like, it's obviously the case. You don't understand

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01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:59.760
<v Speaker 9>this like, because logic is necessary for all reasoning and

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01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:02.600
<v Speaker 9>all propositions and all meaning and all predications. So if

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<v Speaker 9>I'm going to reason about logic, I have to assume

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<v Speaker 9>that logic is the case. You can't make sentences without logic.

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<v Speaker 9>You don't know that, No, I do know that. Okay,

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01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:12.520
<v Speaker 9>then you just prove my point. Thank you. You prove

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01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:12.960
<v Speaker 9>the point.

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<v Speaker 8>What does that have to do with God? Though?

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01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:18.640
<v Speaker 9>Like what, we're not at God yet. I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 9>to demonstrate the category error. You're not going to understand

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01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:23.479
<v Speaker 9>the argument for God until you understand the mistake you're

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01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:26.199
<v Speaker 9>making about the category error. First. I'm trying to demonstrate

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01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:27.000
<v Speaker 9>that to you first.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, there's a cat.

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<v Speaker 9>Like what I literally just explained all of that to you. Alright,

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<v Speaker 9>We're moving on next up MKG hey, j yep.

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<v Speaker 19>I just wanted to say first, thank you for the

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<v Speaker 19>book recognition.

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<v Speaker 20>I just got my copy of the mcgotting books controversy.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, that will solve a lot of you know, like

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<v Speaker 9>Protestant or you know, Chrystal logically that people have.

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<v Speaker 19>My argument free right now though, is regarding the law.

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<v Speaker 20>So what's happening specifically for a circumcision and I'm basically

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<v Speaker 20>looking at Acts fifteen, Genesis seventeen, Relation two, Enrollment seven,

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<v Speaker 20>and this I feel like this is I don't feel

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<v Speaker 20>but based on my reading, it seems that Paul is

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<v Speaker 20>having this kind of tug of war happening where he's

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<v Speaker 20>not rejecting the law, but he's not saying the law

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<v Speaker 20>is the be all end all.

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<v Speaker 19>I'm having a hard time seeing how he justifies the

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<v Speaker 19>cessation of circumcision.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, because circumcision is itself a limiting right, women cannot

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<v Speaker 9>be circumcised. And his argument in Colautions, if you Readclautions,

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<v Speaker 9>is very clear that the right of circumcision itself is

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<v Speaker 9>a type of the right of baptism of the New Testament.

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<v Speaker 9>And so because circumcision was specifically the right of initiation

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<v Speaker 9>for males in Israel for that Covenant. If the Covenant

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<v Speaker 9>is to be expanded and open up to all of

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<v Speaker 9>the gentile nations and it's going to include women, obviously

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<v Speaker 9>it cannot be circumcisions. So what is the new circumcision.

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<v Speaker 9>The new circumcision is baptism, which is something very easy

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<v Speaker 9>and accessible water right, which can include both men and women.

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<v Speaker 9>And so when you read Jeremiah thirty one and Jeremiah

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<v Speaker 9>thirty three in the Masoretic version, not in the Orthodox version.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know what the chapters are off the top

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<v Speaker 9>of my head in the Orthodox version, but those two

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<v Speaker 9>chapters that speak of the new covenant. When the Messiah comes,

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<v Speaker 9>it says it will not be according to the covenant

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<v Speaker 9>with Moses. So there will be a new covenant, specifically

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01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:52.000
<v Speaker 9>contrasted to the covenant that they had at Sinai. And

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<v Speaker 9>that necessitates then, according to the reasoning of Paul in

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<v Speaker 9>all of his epistles, not just in Roman's Regulations, but

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<v Speaker 9>in all of the epistles, the totality ugmentation is, especially Hebrews,

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<v Speaker 9>is that the rights themselves also have to be transformed

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<v Speaker 9>such that these rights can go to all of the nations.

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<v Speaker 9>And if you have it essentially still Judaic, it's too limiting.

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<v Speaker 9>And that's part of the logic and the argmentation of

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<v Speaker 9>Acts fifteen, which is that if Noah has made righteous before,

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<v Speaker 9>or what's gonna be without circumcision, then we ought not

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<v Speaker 9>require of the gentiles coming into the church anything more

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01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:29.640
<v Speaker 9>than what was required of Noah. That's the logic of

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<v Speaker 9>Acts fifteen.

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<v Speaker 20>But my problem here is isn't there a progressive righteousness

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<v Speaker 20>with every generation that comes. Isn't Peter more honored than

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<v Speaker 20>David in some sense?

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<v Speaker 9>No, I don't know where you where that comes from,

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01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:51.600
<v Speaker 9>because I mean the Hebrews eleven when it describes the

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01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:56.239
<v Speaker 9>heavenly Jerusalem, they are classed as saints along with us.

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<v Speaker 20>Okay, but specifically the covenant of circumcision that starts with Abraham,

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<v Speaker 20>not with Moses.

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<v Speaker 19>Correct.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but Noah has made righteous without prior to circumcision.

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<v Speaker 20>But from a Christian's perspective, don't we believe in progressive revelation?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah? But the argument of Acts fifteen is that the

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<v Speaker 9>precisely what is the progression is the opening of that

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<v Speaker 9>covenant to the nations. And there's a direct connection between

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<v Speaker 9>the Abrahamic and the Mosaic because circumcision is the right

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<v Speaker 9>of that covenant right until we get the new Covenant

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<v Speaker 9>that was appropriate for that time because God was still

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<v Speaker 9>working primarily with a single nation state as his church.

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<v Speaker 9>The Church of the Old Testament is Israel, the nation state.

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<v Speaker 9>But once Israel has fulfilled its mission, which is to

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01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:51.199
<v Speaker 9>produce the Messiah, then it has fulfilled what it was

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<v Speaker 9>intended to do by the way circumcision also fulfills what

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<v Speaker 9>it was intended to do. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 9>the Book of Luke, and if you look at the

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<v Speaker 9>Orthodox liturgy, circumcis decision is fulfilled in Jesus being circumcised.

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<v Speaker 9>In other words, the prediction of circumcision itself, whether when

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<v Speaker 9>it's given to Abraham in Genesis or whether it's anything

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<v Speaker 9>else in the Mosaic, comminent circumcision is done when Jesus

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<v Speaker 9>is circumcised in the Temple.

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<v Speaker 8>I see.

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<v Speaker 20>But now, my my argument for that is that, yes,

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<v Speaker 20>it's clear that some of the law, the letter of

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<v Speaker 20>the law is fulfilled and actually represented as the spirit

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<v Speaker 20>of the law.

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<v Speaker 8>It's it's it's.

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<v Speaker 19>True form is shown through the spirit of the law.

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<v Speaker 19>But there are still especially from the Orthodox perspective.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but the Church determines. The Church determines what The

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01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:54.680
<v Speaker 9>Church determines what things carry over exactly, not Jews, not

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01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:59.479
<v Speaker 9>Messianic Jews, not. The Church has determined that circumcision is

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<v Speaker 9>fulfilled in the circumcision of Christ and is replaced with baptism.

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<v Speaker 20>And my concern here is that if we were Protestants,

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<v Speaker 20>then this would be no issue and we could just

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<v Speaker 20>move on.

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<v Speaker 9>But hold on, why would that be Why would that

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<v Speaker 9>be no issue for Protestants?

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<v Speaker 20>Because because Protestants put all their weight on the spirit

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01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.920
<v Speaker 20>of the law, and that's worth.

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<v Speaker 9>There is no first of all, there is no one

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<v Speaker 9>Protestant that does that. In fact, many Protestants are judaizing

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<v Speaker 9>sex which don't do that. So I don't even I

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<v Speaker 9>wouldn't even agree with that argument. Okay, if if the

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<v Speaker 9>Apostles are given the authority to determine and interpret the

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<v Speaker 9>texts and decide what carries over and what doesn't, that's

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<v Speaker 9>all you need to know that circumcision doesn't carry over.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, But but.

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<v Speaker 20>What the church uses as justification for why circumcision doesn't

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<v Speaker 20>carry over?

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<v Speaker 19>Does it not rest mainly on Paul's arguments? I guess

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<v Speaker 19>that's my question.

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<v Speaker 9>No, the apostles are arguing that circumcision was done and

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<v Speaker 9>fulfilled when Jesus was circumcised.

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<v Speaker 20>But doesn't that's my question. Doesn't James disagree? And that's

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<v Speaker 20>where kind of the quarrel and Acts fifteen is happening.

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<v Speaker 9>And no, what do you mean now what James? James

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<v Speaker 9>doesn't disagree, he agreed the council agrees with not requiring

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<v Speaker 9>circumcisions for gentiles.

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<v Speaker 25>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 20>But in the beginning of it, it's not a full agreement.

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<v Speaker 20>The Council is convening to say do we impose this

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<v Speaker 20>yorke or not? And then they come to a conclusion

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<v Speaker 20>that no, we shouldn't. The yoke shouldn't be asked of

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<v Speaker 20>the gentiles.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 19>So I'm saying that's that there is this intersection that's

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<v Speaker 19>happening that.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah. So there's debates and then and Paul Paul rebukes

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<v Speaker 9>Peter at the beginning Glatians.

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<v Speaker 20>So I'm saying, I'm saying the sources Paul, Paul is

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<v Speaker 20>the rebuker.

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<v Speaker 19>Paul is the one saying, no, what you guys are wrong,

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<v Speaker 19>which shouldn't we shouldn't ask this of the genial?

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<v Speaker 9>Okay? And do you think that Paul tricked the Council

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<v Speaker 9>in Acts fifteen to side with Paul. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 9>is this is a problem. What you're arguing is a

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<v Speaker 9>Protestant judaeic argument.

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<v Speaker 20>And that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, here's the chorus

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<v Speaker 20>you here. Can saints be wrong?

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<v Speaker 9>No not, Apostles can't be wrong?

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<v Speaker 19>No?

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<v Speaker 22>No?

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<v Speaker 19>Okay, Well, first can saints be wrong.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, saints are not equivalent to apostles, so yes, later

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<v Speaker 9>church fathers can be wrong the apostles. The apostles do

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<v Speaker 9>not teach error in this regard.

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<v Speaker 19>No, apostles can be wrong.

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<v Speaker 9>When there's like a counsel or an authoritative teaching that

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<v Speaker 9>makes its way into the scriptures. No, they don't teach wrong.

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<v Speaker 19>Because you know where I'm going with this.

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<v Speaker 9>I think you're going to say, what that Paul, that

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01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:48.640
<v Speaker 9>Peter rebused wrong? Wrong, but they got rebuked and so

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<v Speaker 9>it didn't become part of scripture or the Council in

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<v Speaker 9>Acts fifteen Providential.

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<v Speaker 19>This is this is my problem.

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<v Speaker 8>This is my worry.

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<v Speaker 9>I feel what is There's not a problem Peter.

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<v Speaker 19>Is he and James can be wrong and Paul is right?

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<v Speaker 9>Then no, you're missing the points. You're missing the point

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<v Speaker 9>they got something wrong but got corrected and none of

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<v Speaker 9>the wrong teaching made it into the Council or into scripture.

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<v Speaker 20>Well that's how the story ended. I'm pausing, and this

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<v Speaker 20>is all coming from Paul and Luke's point of view, And.

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<v Speaker 9>Well you're why are you setting Paul and Luke against

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<v Speaker 9>everyone else? You have to trust the divine Providence. It's

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<v Speaker 9>the same faith that you have that stop interrupting. It's

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01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:34.039
<v Speaker 9>the same faith that you have. The Divine Providence guided

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01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:37.960
<v Speaker 9>the church in later centuries to collect the canon together.

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<v Speaker 9>So if you doubt this, then the whole religion goes.

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<v Speaker 9>I agree, But what reason is there to doubt this?

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<v Speaker 9>I don't understand the basis of delt This whole doubt

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<v Speaker 9>comes from.

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<v Speaker 19>Essentially why I think orthodoxy is appealing and.

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<v Speaker 9>It's favorable over But what you're saying would make orthodoxy

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<v Speaker 9>false because it's a denial of the guidance of the

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<v Speaker 9>Holy Spirit in the Church.

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<v Speaker 20>No, I'm saying, yeah, it's a continuous of it's the

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<v Speaker 20>Orthodoxy's claim is that we're there, we're the true tradition,

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<v Speaker 20>we hold the oldest tradition.

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<v Speaker 19>That's the orthodox cost.

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<v Speaker 9>No, it's more than that. I mean, I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 9>in Acts too. There's a promise that the Holy Jesus

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<v Speaker 9>in the Gospel of John promises that the Holy Spirit

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<v Speaker 9>with leading God the Church into all truth. And that

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<v Speaker 9>happens primarily at a sonodal or communal level. Right, it's

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01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:33.239
<v Speaker 9>not primarily individual people. Because yes, you can have Peter

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01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:37.279
<v Speaker 9>thinking something wrong or getting something wrong, but providentially that

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01:23:37.479 --> 01:23:41.880
<v Speaker 9>gets corrected and it never makes it into the teaching

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01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:44.520
<v Speaker 9>of scripture, or into the teaching of the oral teaching

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01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.600
<v Speaker 9>of the Church, or into the liturgy, or into the

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01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:50.479
<v Speaker 9>ecumenical Council. So there's never a dogmatic mistake. Even if

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01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:53.880
<v Speaker 9>Peter at one point got something wrong, it's never dogmatized

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<v Speaker 9>or inscripturated that there's error.

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<v Speaker 20>But would it be fair to say that you can

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<v Speaker 20>only that claim if we've already agreed on.

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<v Speaker 19>That being the case.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you have to. Of course the presupposition

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<v Speaker 9>that the church is guided as part of that is

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<v Speaker 9>part of that assumption.

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<v Speaker 19>Absolutely, But I'm speaking in the case itself priority.

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<v Speaker 9>But you can't do that that that that's an invalid move.

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<v Speaker 9>There is no but in this, There is no invalid there.

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<v Speaker 9>You can't have This is a Protestant type of argument,

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<v Speaker 9>or a Muslim type of argument, where you assume that

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01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:33.560
<v Speaker 9>there is no guidance or holistic faith. There is this

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01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:36.880
<v Speaker 9>possibility that they got it all wrong at Acts fifteen

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01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:40.039
<v Speaker 9>because they followed Paul. Well, look if Paul, if Paul's wrong,

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01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:41.680
<v Speaker 9>then Christianity is wrong.

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<v Speaker 19>I guess this is this is where I'm coming from.

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<v Speaker 19>So you can see where how this relates the question

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01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:50.960
<v Speaker 19>that you've posed to the Muslims or to.

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01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:55.479
<v Speaker 20>The Jews about or specifically the Muslims. At that point

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01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:59.000
<v Speaker 20>of if I was a fifth, sixth, seventh century Jew

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01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:03.680
<v Speaker 20>or Christian, how would I know what Muhammad's thing is true?

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<v Speaker 20>That's we're directly You're directly investigating the scripture.

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<v Speaker 9>That's based on a consistency with prior revelation. So what

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<v Speaker 9>I'm arguing is precisely that Paul and Acts fifteen are

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<v Speaker 9>consistent with prior revelation. Prior revelation itself is not teaching

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<v Speaker 9>that circumcision continues for all eternity, for all the nations.

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<v Speaker 9>It's not even possible to do that. How could the

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<v Speaker 9>Mosaic law, when most of it is confined to Palestine

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01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:36.039
<v Speaker 9>and Israel and the Land of Israel, how could that

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<v Speaker 9>be for all the nations?

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<v Speaker 19>No, I agree, But what I'm getting at is, let

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<v Speaker 19>me focus the point.

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<v Speaker 20>If I'm a Jew in the first century, and I'm

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01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:49.920
<v Speaker 20>hearing this Gospel, and I'm hearing the I'm hearing the Act,

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01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:54.359
<v Speaker 20>the Letter, I'm listening to the letters of Paul, how

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01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:58.439
<v Speaker 20>can I investigate that? What Paul is thinking is consistent

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<v Speaker 20>and has continuity.

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<v Speaker 9>By going to the Old Testament texts and soon not.

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<v Speaker 19>Just post facto of the Holy Spirit has.

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<v Speaker 9>Protected because only that interpretation makes sense of the Old

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01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:10.800
<v Speaker 9>Testament data in a coherent way.

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<v Speaker 19>Because I have to have you read the Book of Hebrews,

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<v Speaker 19>the Book of Hebrews.

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01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:18.960
<v Speaker 8>What part are you the.

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01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:21.199
<v Speaker 9>Entire Book of Hebrews is making the point I'm making.

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<v Speaker 19>Because I don't disagree.

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<v Speaker 9>With did you have you read the Book of Hebrews?

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<v Speaker 9>You're not listening to what I'm saying, not not in

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01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:32.479
<v Speaker 9>this entirety. No, you haven't read the bro I'm not

1397
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:34.680
<v Speaker 9>trying to be rude to you, but like you got

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01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:37.319
<v Speaker 9>to go and read the New Testament at least before

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<v Speaker 9>you try to make this, before you try to argue this. Ukraine,

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01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:40.720
<v Speaker 9>what's up?

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<v Speaker 40>Yes, Hello, yep, yeah, this is Ukraine. Seven seven seven okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 40>I have I have a question about I was reading

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<v Speaker 40>some church history and apparently in the year eleven eighty

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01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:06.800
<v Speaker 40>two there was a raid on.

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01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.079
<v Speaker 8>It was actually by Orthodox.

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01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:16.079
<v Speaker 40>Christians against certain Roman Catholics that were in Constantinople, and

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01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:18.239
<v Speaker 40>they basically just killed everybody.

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<v Speaker 9>And that that was part of the Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 9>one of the policism is true now because there was

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<v Speaker 9>a one raid by some Greek Yeah, no, no, no,

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01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:27.720
<v Speaker 9>it's a really good argument.

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<v Speaker 40>You No, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you know,

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<v Speaker 40>I mean, well they were, they were asking for it,

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01:27:33.079 --> 01:27:37.479
<v Speaker 40>but you know, probably, but you know, should the church?

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01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:38.880
<v Speaker 8>Would it be appropriate?

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01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:42.479
<v Speaker 40>And did the Church ever repent of this or anything

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01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:46.359
<v Speaker 40>or apologize for it or would that even be how.

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<v Speaker 9>So if one nation, if the Greeks do something, are

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01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:51.800
<v Speaker 9>we collectively guilty?

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<v Speaker 40>No, that would just be presumably that would just be

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01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:00.800
<v Speaker 40>that particular well, that would be that particular Holy see

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01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:03.720
<v Speaker 40>it best. I mean, I'm antiop and so we never

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01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:06.119
<v Speaker 40>really we never had an emperor patronize us.

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01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:09.359
<v Speaker 8>We never really had enough power to abuse.

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01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.520
<v Speaker 9>What are you Ukrainian or are you pro Ukraine? I

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01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:18.239
<v Speaker 9>don't understand what Ukraine saw, but I.

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<v Speaker 40>Just put that in there because I just think that.

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<v Speaker 40>But I just think that that, you know, what Russia

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01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:25.479
<v Speaker 40>did to Ukraine is grotesque and unfair.

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01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:29.760
<v Speaker 9>Well, what about the seven years of Western NATO provocation?

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01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:39.880
<v Speaker 40>Well, Obama blockaded all military to Ukraine from the get go.

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01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:42.079
<v Speaker 8>I mean, NATO wasn't this is.

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<v Speaker 9>Prox this is this is proxy. The proxy stuff that

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01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:51.239
<v Speaker 9>they did, including setting up those bio labs all along

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01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:52.640
<v Speaker 9>the board of Russia.

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<v Speaker 40>Those the footage from those, those were Soviet biolabs that

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01:28:57.399 --> 01:28:59.359
<v Speaker 40>were built in the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 8>Ukraine ever built a single I'm.

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01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:03.840
<v Speaker 9>Not talking about Ukraine. I'm talking about the State Department

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01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:05.680
<v Speaker 9>setting up biologe. You're saying that's all fake.

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01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:12.399
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so what the they were found? There was one

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01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:14.000
<v Speaker 8>found that they found one in.

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01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:17.520
<v Speaker 9>So you're a boomer who listens to Western mainstream Is

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01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:19.479
<v Speaker 9>Trump a bad man too? Is a boomer media?

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01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:19.840
<v Speaker 8>True?

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01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:24.319
<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, but I mean all are we still

1447
01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:27.640
<v Speaker 9>fighting the Cold War? Are we still fighting the KGB

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01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:28.439
<v Speaker 9>and the Cold War?

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<v Speaker 8>Unfortunately? Yes?

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<v Speaker 9>The k Look, I mean, I mean, tell me, tell

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01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:38.319
<v Speaker 9>me more about Is the c I a good Are

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01:29:38.359 --> 01:29:39.039
<v Speaker 9>the the good guys?

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<v Speaker 40>I'd say, I'd say that I'd put them into kind

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01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:44.199
<v Speaker 40>of the.

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<v Speaker 8>Gray category, neither neither black or white.

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01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:50.000
<v Speaker 9>But you know, what's the official policy of the West.

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01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:51.640
<v Speaker 8>That doesn't mean the Russians are worse.

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01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:54.119
<v Speaker 9>What's the official policy of the West when it comes

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01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:59.840
<v Speaker 9>to things like Malthusianism, enthusianism. You don't even know. So

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01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.000
<v Speaker 9>you're a boomer expert on geopolitics. You don't know what

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01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:02.920
<v Speaker 9>Malthusianism is.

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01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:07.720
<v Speaker 8>Mount malthus theory, that that's absolute.

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01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:12.680
<v Speaker 9>That's oh, that's obsolete. Really have you read people like, uh.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well that's the progressives or fools.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I'm not talking about progressives. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 9>like official Kissinger Deep you know, State Department Global two thousand.

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01:30:23.079 --> 01:30:26.319
<v Speaker 9>You could read Miles Copeland's CIA Manuals where he talks

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01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:28.560
<v Speaker 9>about the whole purpose of everything they're doing in these

1469
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:30.479
<v Speaker 9>countries is precisely for Malthusianism.

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01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:38.239
<v Speaker 40>Well, well, if Ukraine wants to join the empire, and

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01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:40.279
<v Speaker 40>we want them to join the empire.

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01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:42.079
<v Speaker 9>Now now, now it's an empire.

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01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:42.439
<v Speaker 8>Empire.

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01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:46.239
<v Speaker 9>Now wait a minute, So America America is a wait

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01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:48.960
<v Speaker 9>a minute, because the propaganda from people on your side

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01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:51.119
<v Speaker 9>about ten years ago is that there is no American empire.

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01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:51.520
<v Speaker 8>Now it is.

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01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:56.439
<v Speaker 40>Well, they call it a coalition of the willing, but

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01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.039
<v Speaker 40>that's a semantic debate. I mean, it's basically an empire.

1480
01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:00.880
<v Speaker 40>I mean, why do you think you know they put

1481
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:03.359
<v Speaker 40>all this money into Israel. It's to hold that position.

1482
01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:05.760
<v Speaker 40>It's to control those trade routes and Somber.

1483
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.479
<v Speaker 9>Wait a minute, you're pro Israel, right because Israel supports

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01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:11.880
<v Speaker 9>does Lenski and Ukraine, Well.

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01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:13.760
<v Speaker 8>We would hope it would be. Well, I'd rather have

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01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:15.000
<v Speaker 8>them do it than us to it.

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01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.800
<v Speaker 40>But I mean that's one you would want if you're

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01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:20.720
<v Speaker 40>running an empire, you would want one part of the

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01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:22.159
<v Speaker 40>empire to support the other.

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01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:22.880
<v Speaker 8>Part of the empire.

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01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:27.039
<v Speaker 9>So I mean we need want more skittles, more abrations.

1492
01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:30.520
<v Speaker 9>Remember one Lenski said, what does Lenski say if you

1493
01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:34.840
<v Speaker 9>are from blaw whether they want to run an empire,

1494
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:38.279
<v Speaker 9>you need large, healthy families where men or men and

1495
01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:40.640
<v Speaker 9>women are women with traditional value. But you just said

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01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:41.439
<v Speaker 9>you're pro Ukraine.

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01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:44.760
<v Speaker 8>Doing is insane. You just said you're pro Ukrainian's your

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01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:45.199
<v Speaker 8>right wing.

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01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:46.399
<v Speaker 9>No they're not.

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01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:48.720
<v Speaker 40>I mean they're not all flat out Nazis, They're not

1501
01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:51.920
<v Speaker 40>that right wing, but they are far more the typical

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01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:53.199
<v Speaker 40>Ukrainian if.

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01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:56.840
<v Speaker 9>You ask like that, I mean like the Azol battalion

1504
01:31:56.960 --> 01:32:01.319
<v Speaker 9>and right wing. The most Americans the battalion and right sector.

1505
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:07.720
<v Speaker 9>You like those guys, I understand them. Oh interesting, but

1506
01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:10.119
<v Speaker 9>I thought you're pro Israel. Well, now what would you do?

1507
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:13.039
<v Speaker 40>What would you do if you're if if if Chinese

1508
01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:16.720
<v Speaker 40>soldiers were marching up and down, you know, God forbid

1509
01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:20.159
<v Speaker 40>invaded our country, you'd want something like the Michigan militia.

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01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:25.840
<v Speaker 9>To be there, right, quite so, Satanic minded like literal

1511
01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:29.159
<v Speaker 9>Satan tattooed dudes are the equivalent of the Michigan militia

1512
01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:29.640
<v Speaker 9>in your mind.

1513
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:33.880
<v Speaker 40>Yeah, Well, the Azop Battalion, they're neo Pagans. They're into

1514
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:36.840
<v Speaker 40>Norse mythology and that kind of thing. It's the old

1515
01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:41.720
<v Speaker 40>the original pagan religion of Europe. The East Europe didn't

1516
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:45.800
<v Speaker 40>haven't have like inquisitions. So the witches were never burned

1517
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:47.600
<v Speaker 40>at the stake. They just never went away. They were

1518
01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:52.439
<v Speaker 40>always there. And some of them are left and the battalion, Uh,

1519
01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:54.800
<v Speaker 40>you know that's what they are.

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01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:57.159
<v Speaker 9>Okay, So what's the origin roblem?

1521
01:32:57.359 --> 01:32:57.479
<v Speaker 8>Right?

1522
01:32:57.560 --> 01:33:01.279
<v Speaker 9>So the origin of all that right wing stuff in Ukraine? Like,

1523
01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:02.479
<v Speaker 9>where do you think that comes from?

1524
01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:08.720
<v Speaker 8>It's the the what the azo and that's that's all that,

1525
01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:12.079
<v Speaker 8>that whole sector instep of the indigenous prequel.

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01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:13.199
<v Speaker 1>No it's not, no, it's not.

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01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:17.159
<v Speaker 9>No, it's not Stepanic, No, it's not. I'm talking about

1528
01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:19.000
<v Speaker 9>Steponic and right sector and all that.

1529
01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:25.359
<v Speaker 40>Well, they did, they did, they had to choose between

1530
01:33:25.399 --> 01:33:27.600
<v Speaker 40>Hitler and Stalin, and they did go with the Axis

1531
01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:30.279
<v Speaker 40>Powers and the White Russians from World War Two.

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01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:32.319
<v Speaker 9>It goes back to that, right, So it's the Galen

1533
01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:35.159
<v Speaker 9>It's Ryan our Galen's network.

1534
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:35.119
<v Speaker 11>Right.

1535
01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:41.159
<v Speaker 40>Yeah, yeah, Bendarra's network and the you know people like that.

1536
01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:44.119
<v Speaker 40>It goes back, you know, it goes I mean, but

1537
01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:46.520
<v Speaker 40>if you think about it, if you're in World War

1538
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.520
<v Speaker 40>two and you have to choose between Hitler and Stalin.

1539
01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:51.359
<v Speaker 9>I just want you, as a boom, I just want

1540
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:53.279
<v Speaker 9>you as a boomer to admit that you're pro neo

1541
01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:54.640
<v Speaker 9>in in Ukraine.

1542
01:33:57.800 --> 01:34:00.159
<v Speaker 40>Well, I think the kind I think the ninety when

1543
01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:03.199
<v Speaker 40>borders are finding that they should be returned to and.

1544
01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:06.079
<v Speaker 9>You know, if you so, you're pro neo in at

1545
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:08.399
<v Speaker 9>the same time as pro Israel. Makes sense of that

1546
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:08.760
<v Speaker 9>for me?

1547
01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:19.079
<v Speaker 40>Well, if in terms of supporting in terms of economics,

1548
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:20.960
<v Speaker 40>Israel is the money.

1549
01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:24.159
<v Speaker 9>Think Okay, so it's just about economics of course. The

1550
01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:28.640
<v Speaker 9>classic classic boomer, right, classic boomer Thoughtian have.

1551
01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:31.039
<v Speaker 8>The resources, the Ukrainians, they could give.

1552
01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:34.600
<v Speaker 9>Us more money. Yeah, exactly right. It's all about that money,

1553
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:37.600
<v Speaker 9>ain't it. Boomer? For years, do boomers care about anything

1554
01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:39.479
<v Speaker 9>other than money? Do you guys care about anything other

1555
01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:40.000
<v Speaker 9>than the money?

1556
01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:41.199
<v Speaker 8>How empires look?

1557
01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:45.640
<v Speaker 9>So now you're it's funny. These people were anti empire

1558
01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:47.439
<v Speaker 9>and they would go after if you talked about empire

1559
01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:49.319
<v Speaker 9>ten years ago. It's just funny. Now they're all about

1560
01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:50.760
<v Speaker 9>and impart it's all about that.

1561
01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:54.119
<v Speaker 8>Well.

1562
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.640
<v Speaker 40>I think you know people, I think the I think

1563
01:34:57.720 --> 01:35:00.520
<v Speaker 40>people like to use too many euphemisms to be too

1564
01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:04.960
<v Speaker 40>politically correct. I don't I'm not a fan of political correctness,

1565
01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:07.359
<v Speaker 40>but I think the country, but I think the country

1566
01:35:07.399 --> 01:35:09.840
<v Speaker 40>should honest. I think our country can do a better

1567
01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:13.760
<v Speaker 40>job honestly describing what is our foreign policy and why

1568
01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:15.760
<v Speaker 40>is and why do we do what we do?

1569
01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:19.319
<v Speaker 9>Wait a minute, are you pro so? Are you pro Trump?

1570
01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:21.359
<v Speaker 9>Or were you pro? Were you pro Walt Kamala?

1571
01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:24.520
<v Speaker 8>Because no, I no, I voted for Trump. I voted

1572
01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:24.840
<v Speaker 8>for him.

1573
01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:27.840
<v Speaker 9>But doesn't Trump want to end the Ukraine conflict? So

1574
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:29.239
<v Speaker 9>isn't that a bad move on his plots?

1575
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:31.279
<v Speaker 8>I hope he.

1576
01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:32.279
<v Speaker 13>I think he.

1577
01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:35.079
<v Speaker 40>I he did a good job on the Abraham Accords

1578
01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:37.600
<v Speaker 40>with the Israelis in the Southeast. If he can get

1579
01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:39.960
<v Speaker 40>those guys talking to each other, I'm sure he could

1580
01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:43.079
<v Speaker 40>reason with Zelenski and Putin. I mean they're not nearly

1581
01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:46.119
<v Speaker 40>they neither one of them is half as crazy as

1582
01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:47.960
<v Speaker 40>as it is down in the Middle East.

1583
01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:50.840
<v Speaker 9>I mean, what if, what if the root of the

1584
01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:54.239
<v Speaker 9>problem is boomers like yourself. What if you are the

1585
01:35:54.319 --> 01:35:54.960
<v Speaker 9>root of the problem.

1586
01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.920
<v Speaker 40>I didn't order, I didn't order, and I didn't order

1587
01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:01.560
<v Speaker 40>Ussia to be in that country.

1588
01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:07.800
<v Speaker 9>All right, So, like most boomers, doggy.

1589
01:36:08.600 --> 01:36:13.800
<v Speaker 40>Dude gave Russia money to keep it from completely dissolving.

1590
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:19.760
<v Speaker 40>We proved Russia downsize, but American money. We gave them

1591
01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:23.800
<v Speaker 40>hundreds of millions of dollars directly to Russia. And this

1592
01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:27.239
<v Speaker 40>is a fact to keep so that the entire so

1593
01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:29.359
<v Speaker 40>that the whole thing wouldn't unravel and they would be

1594
01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:33.399
<v Speaker 40>able to control their nuclear weapons. So, you know, Putin

1595
01:36:33.439 --> 01:36:36.720
<v Speaker 40>owes us we saved we We quite literally, he wouldn't

1596
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:38.680
<v Speaker 40>have even been the president if it wasn't for us.

1597
01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:45.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean, I'm familiar with like the era of Yeltsin,

1598
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:49.960
<v Speaker 9>and Yeltsin being a Western typical Boomers said you know,

1599
01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:51.760
<v Speaker 9>you're not gonna let me talk, You're just gonna talk

1600
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:52.199
<v Speaker 9>over me.

1601
01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:52.920
<v Speaker 10>Uh.

1602
01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:55.319
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I'm familiar with all of that period of like Yeltsin,

1603
01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:57.560
<v Speaker 9>being a Western operative and that I'm sure that there

1604
01:36:57.640 --> 01:36:59.880
<v Speaker 9>was a phase early on when the West didn't mind

1605
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:04.000
<v Speaker 9>and supported the idea of a Putin presidency. But what

1606
01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:07.640
<v Speaker 9>is the source in your mind? Where where is it

1607
01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:09.960
<v Speaker 9>that you get Does this go back to the Cold War?

1608
01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:11.800
<v Speaker 9>Are you still living in the Cold War era? You

1609
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:13.760
<v Speaker 9>said to be believing the kgbben a problem? Is that

1610
01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:16.119
<v Speaker 9>the root of this? Like why you think Russia is

1611
01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:32.399
<v Speaker 9>a bad guy? Are you there? I guess he left.

1612
01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:32.680
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

1613
01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:34.399
<v Speaker 9>I couldn't hear him. If you want to call back

1614
01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:36.479
<v Speaker 9>in if your mike's messing up, I don't get any

1615
01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:39.800
<v Speaker 9>sound from you. Uh no, I guess he left. So

1616
01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:43.920
<v Speaker 9>there we go. So basic. It's great because that was

1617
01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:47.039
<v Speaker 9>like the archetype of any bloomer debate that you have

1618
01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:53.399
<v Speaker 9>talking over you moral, just like virtue signaling. When asked

1619
01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:55.760
<v Speaker 9>about what the root of the problem is, I got

1620
01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:59.000
<v Speaker 9>none to do with it. I mean that was like

1621
01:37:59.439 --> 01:38:15.920
<v Speaker 9>classic the KGB. So we should start playing Uri Bezmano.

1622
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:19.760
<v Speaker 8>Clips Hi Jay have balls.

1623
01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:23.159
<v Speaker 41>Well, sorry, I just got a couple of questions on

1624
01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:28.880
<v Speaker 41>your thoughts about some Bible verses, one of them being

1625
01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:34.399
<v Speaker 41>the when Jesus speaking to his disciples and saying that

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01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:38.119
<v Speaker 41>his father's house has many mansions.

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01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:41.960
<v Speaker 42>Do you reckon there's any chance of that being anything

1628
01:38:42.079 --> 01:38:44.840
<v Speaker 42>beyond what he's just trying to say?

1629
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:47.640
<v Speaker 9>Like, No, it has nothing to do with it has

1630
01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:50.520
<v Speaker 9>nothing to do with there being many religions that get

1631
01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:52.000
<v Speaker 9>to Heaven, none of that stuff.

1632
01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:54.399
<v Speaker 8>How about anything beyond that?

1633
01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:56.960
<v Speaker 42>Look with metaphysics in the sense, do you think there's

1634
01:38:57.039 --> 01:39:00.199
<v Speaker 42>any chance of him because it's quite obvious that there's

1635
01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:00.840
<v Speaker 42>a place there.

1636
01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:02.880
<v Speaker 8>No, you wouldn't think that the I don't.

1637
01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:03.439
<v Speaker 9>I don't think so.

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01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:03.640
<v Speaker 19>No.

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01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:07.159
<v Speaker 9>I just think it's talking about the beauty and expanse

1640
01:39:07.239 --> 01:39:08.439
<v Speaker 9>of heaven being beyond.

1641
01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:10.760
<v Speaker 42>What we can conceive, Okay, because I was sort of

1642
01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:13.640
<v Speaker 42>like thinking about him, thinking could it potentially be in

1643
01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:16.720
<v Speaker 42>to say that there's much beyond what we know and

1644
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:20.039
<v Speaker 42>what's going to be revealed here and if you could potentially.

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01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:22.239
<v Speaker 9>Lead to well, yeah, I mean I think Paul speaks

1646
01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:25.640
<v Speaker 9>that way when he talks about, you know, seek through

1647
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:29.119
<v Speaker 9>glass darkly and all that you want to try again,

1648
01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:44.560
<v Speaker 9>go ahead. I don't hear any sound from you, So

1649
01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:46.279
<v Speaker 9>I don't know if your mike's messed up or what,

1650
01:39:46.520 --> 01:40:01.720
<v Speaker 9>But we don't hear anything. Mas Williams. I have to say,

1651
01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:05.319
<v Speaker 9>I think that was the first, like Bloom or Neocon

1652
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:07.439
<v Speaker 9>that has ever called into debate. I don't think I've

1653
01:40:07.439 --> 01:40:11.159
<v Speaker 9>ever ever had one. Yeah, what's up?

1654
01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:16.119
<v Speaker 19>Hello, what's on your mind?

1655
01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:19.720
<v Speaker 12>I have one question for you?

1656
01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:20.920
<v Speaker 8>Yep.

1657
01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:24.000
<v Speaker 30>My question is in the Bible.

1658
01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:29.560
<v Speaker 12>In the Bible it is said that so you are authors.

1659
01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:32.319
<v Speaker 8>I don't know about the suspicion. I just know about

1660
01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:33.119
<v Speaker 8>the Catholic person.

1661
01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:38.039
<v Speaker 9>Okay, Brad, what are you trying to say? What is

1662
01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:38.479
<v Speaker 9>your question?

1663
01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:42.239
<v Speaker 8>Is Jesus God.

1664
01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:47.079
<v Speaker 12>Is the Father God?

1665
01:40:47.800 --> 01:40:48.000
<v Speaker 9>Yes?

1666
01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:49.159
<v Speaker 8>Yes?

1667
01:40:52.439 --> 01:40:54.279
<v Speaker 15>Then why does Jesus say that Father is the only

1668
01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:55.760
<v Speaker 15>only true God?

1669
01:40:56.720 --> 01:41:00.479
<v Speaker 9>Because it's called monarchical trinitarianism, and so he is the source,

1670
01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:04.520
<v Speaker 9>fount cause, an ark and principle, the Godhead from whom

1671
01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:19.960
<v Speaker 9>all Godhead flows. Right, he left moving on United. I

1672
01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:20.600
<v Speaker 9>didn't kick him.

1673
01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:21.079
<v Speaker 14>He left.

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01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:24.199
<v Speaker 8>Good.

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01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:28.199
<v Speaker 9>You think it's rude, call in anybody who has an issue.

1676
01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:30.319
<v Speaker 9>You want a debate, You think it's rude. I don't care.

1677
01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:33.079
<v Speaker 9>You think I'm mean? You think I care that you

1678
01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:36.680
<v Speaker 9>think I mean I don't care. Has people calling me

1679
01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:40.279
<v Speaker 9>mean for ten years made me cease at all?

1680
01:41:40.439 --> 01:41:40.479
<v Speaker 13>No?

1681
01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:48.800
<v Speaker 9>You can call in right there? What's up? Man, United Kingdom.

1682
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:56.439
<v Speaker 9>What's up? We've got the entire United Kingdom calling, oh brother,

1683
01:41:58.279 --> 01:41:59.000
<v Speaker 9>bloody hell.

1684
01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:01.319
<v Speaker 12>Glody, your rings are?

1685
01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:03.920
<v Speaker 9>What's so?

1686
01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:11.840
<v Speaker 43>Just about the meta question earlier and the metaphysical frameworks

1687
01:42:12.279 --> 01:42:13.359
<v Speaker 43>of the Holy Trine.

1688
01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:16.039
<v Speaker 8>So I sent you a message.

1689
01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:22.640
<v Speaker 43>About what a Russell universal want and the hypothesis that

1690
01:42:23.359 --> 01:42:27.479
<v Speaker 43>his description of how the universe works can unite and

1691
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:32.319
<v Speaker 43>work with the Holy Trainee based on the source being

1692
01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:35.319
<v Speaker 43>the Father, the Son, the matter, bone and such.

1693
01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:38.960
<v Speaker 9>But I just I just want to the matter. There's

1694
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:40.279
<v Speaker 9>nothing to do with matter. I don't know what you're

1695
01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:40.680
<v Speaker 9>talking about.

1696
01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:44.239
<v Speaker 43>Yes, So if you, if you, if you read that message,

1697
01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:47.159
<v Speaker 43>just s you can just have a look and if

1698
01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:49.279
<v Speaker 43>you want to give me some feedback, you most welcome to.

1699
01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:50.920
<v Speaker 8>If you think it's like out there.

1700
01:42:51.319 --> 01:42:53.159
<v Speaker 9>I think it's out there that we don't. This is,

1701
01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:56.560
<v Speaker 9>this is it's not where we go with our turnty theology.

1702
01:42:56.800 --> 01:43:07.600
<v Speaker 9>But thank you, Dane. What's up? Daniel?

1703
01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:08.000
<v Speaker 23>And I'm you.

1704
01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:12.560
<v Speaker 19>Hello?

1705
01:43:13.479 --> 01:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>What's up?

1706
01:43:16.399 --> 01:43:19.960
<v Speaker 8>One question is the is the word Jehovah?

1707
01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:23.319
<v Speaker 19>Is that a misinterpretation of the tetragrammaton?

1708
01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:32.319
<v Speaker 9>I don't think it's a misinterpretation, though, I think I

1709
01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:34.600
<v Speaker 9>think it's one of the isn't one of the early

1710
01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:39.039
<v Speaker 9>names of God that's used, if I remember correctly, I

1711
01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:41.279
<v Speaker 9>haven't looked at this into this in a long time, but.

1712
01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:44.319
<v Speaker 12>Okay, that's all I have, thank you.

1713
01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:51.279
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So, I mean the term is used in Exodus first,

1714
01:43:51.479 --> 01:44:07.920
<v Speaker 9>so let's see, we're here Exodus six, so it looks

1715
01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:15.600
<v Speaker 9>like in Exodus six. Yeah, the term is in the

1716
01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:21.439
<v Speaker 9>Hebrew Jehovah. And let's see what that is said to be, Jehovah,

1717
01:44:21.560 --> 01:44:27.520
<v Speaker 9>the existing one, self existent, the Jewish national name for God,

1718
01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:33.319
<v Speaker 9>Jehovah yahueh. So no, I don't I've never heard that

1719
01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:38.680
<v Speaker 9>that's a mistranslation, but thank you for that question. Good

1720
01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:48.359
<v Speaker 9>question there, Kenneth, what's the frequency of Kenneth? By the way,

1721
01:44:48.399 --> 01:44:51.359
<v Speaker 9>I hate rim so no, I'm not like, oh Jason's

1722
01:44:51.359 --> 01:44:53.680
<v Speaker 9>secret irim fan. No, No, I don't like that Michael

1723
01:44:53.720 --> 01:45:00.239
<v Speaker 9>Stipe's skittles as hell. I did like at one time

1724
01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:03.760
<v Speaker 9>when I was in high school, I liked that everybody hurts.

1725
01:45:04.119 --> 01:45:07.880
<v Speaker 9>That's because I was an idiot high schooler. So what's up, man, Kenneth?

1726
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:14.199
<v Speaker 9>What's your frequency? What was frequently Kenneth? By the way

1727
01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:16.000
<v Speaker 9>it was actually written. If you don't know about a

1728
01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:20.600
<v Speaker 9>crazy conspiracy theorist. Jamie was telling me. I didn't actually

1729
01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:25.079
<v Speaker 9>know this, but there was some news broadcast one time

1730
01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:31.079
<v Speaker 9>where like Dan Rather or some idiot like Bloomer newsperson

1731
01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:34.760
<v Speaker 9>was out on the street and this crazy conspiracy dude

1732
01:45:34.840 --> 01:45:39.159
<v Speaker 9>named Kenneth came up and he had like temple hat

1733
01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:44.399
<v Speaker 9>on or something stupid and like accosted Dan Rather. And

1734
01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:47.239
<v Speaker 9>so he was talking about frequencies or something. And so

1735
01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:49.800
<v Speaker 9>the story is, I don't know if it's true. The

1736
01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:52.680
<v Speaker 9>story is Michael Stipe or whoever they wrote that song

1737
01:45:52.800 --> 01:46:00.960
<v Speaker 9>about some crazy conspiracy theorists a costing a newsman, Kenneth?

1738
01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:01.680
<v Speaker 9>What's up? Where you at?

1739
01:46:01.720 --> 01:46:01.800
<v Speaker 13>Man?

1740
01:46:01.880 --> 01:46:10.119
<v Speaker 9>Try again? It's like Kenneth's having a hard time connecting.

1741
01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:13.079
<v Speaker 9>So look, I'm looking for people who disagree today. So

1742
01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:17.720
<v Speaker 9>please if you don't disagree, then please don't clog up

1743
01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:21.000
<v Speaker 9>the quay, the queue or whatever. The what are the

1744
01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:24.760
<v Speaker 9>gay terminology is they use in England? I don't know, Man,

1745
01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:27.439
<v Speaker 9>Kenneth's not working. We'll try to come back out, come

1746
01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:29.600
<v Speaker 9>back in. We've got Jamal. What's up?

1747
01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:30.079
<v Speaker 8>Jamal?

1748
01:46:36.920 --> 01:46:37.439
<v Speaker 20>Can you hear me?

1749
01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:38.159
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

1750
01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:38.560
<v Speaker 9>What's up?

1751
01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:40.079
<v Speaker 8>Okay?

1752
01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:40.520
<v Speaker 19>Okay?

1753
01:46:41.159 --> 01:46:42.760
<v Speaker 8>So I'm against.

1754
01:46:44.079 --> 01:46:49.119
<v Speaker 36>The argument did orphinic you percents when it comes to

1755
01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:55.640
<v Speaker 36>the divine and the energy distinction'.

1756
01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:56.119
<v Speaker 9>You're against the essence energy, is what you're saying.

1757
01:46:57.680 --> 01:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it's well.

1758
01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:01.079
<v Speaker 9>I can already tell from your voice that it's because

1759
01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:03.800
<v Speaker 9>you have high level spurgatism five thousand and you think

1760
01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:10.399
<v Speaker 9>that it's not logical. I can't deal with like some

1761
01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.600
<v Speaker 9>five thousand levels perk right now, Gang's delicious? What's up?

1762
01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:13.840
<v Speaker 8>Man?

1763
01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:21.800
<v Speaker 9>Got a Yakoub in the house. I have a why'd

1764
01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:24.920
<v Speaker 9>you go? Mathematical proof in the energy thanking? You call

1765
01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:26.199
<v Speaker 9>what's up?

1766
01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:29.000
<v Speaker 8>What's going on? What's happening?

1767
01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:31.840
<v Speaker 9>Yakub to the power to the fourth power?

1768
01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:35.039
<v Speaker 8>Baby, that's right, that's right, the father Yakub.

1769
01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:36.039
<v Speaker 19>But that is right.

1770
01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:40.960
<v Speaker 31>This is a prophet, a prophet of of Yakoub gangs

1771
01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:41.880
<v Speaker 31>delicious speaking.

1772
01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:45.119
<v Speaker 9>I agree. I accept your prophecies with docility.

1773
01:47:46.199 --> 01:47:50.680
<v Speaker 31>Awesome, awesome, good good. I actually had a couple of questions.

1774
01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:55.000
<v Speaker 35>I'm actually Orthodox, but they're not Kanakis's questions. I'm not

1775
01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:57.880
<v Speaker 35>going to ask you about uh drinking beer on Wednesday

1776
01:47:57.920 --> 01:47:58.479
<v Speaker 35>and Fridays.

1777
01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that is allowed.

1778
01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:05.000
<v Speaker 31>But I was gonna ask because my dad is a Protestant.

1779
01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:09.199
<v Speaker 35>And uh he had asked me one time about the

1780
01:48:09.239 --> 01:48:11.720
<v Speaker 35>scriptures and the councils.

1781
01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:13.800
<v Speaker 19>And all that kind of stuff, because he's obviously scripture.

1782
01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:14.239
<v Speaker 8>Alone that sort of thing.

1783
01:48:14.319 --> 01:48:16.840
<v Speaker 9>Are you in a spaceship, dude? It sounds like a theremy.

1784
01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:18.760
<v Speaker 19>Sorry.

1785
01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:21.640
<v Speaker 9>It was blasting off to the PDEs to meet he

1786
01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:23.600
<v Speaker 9>blasted off and up here he's blasting off in up

1787
01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:24.800
<v Speaker 9>pyramid to meet your coup.

1788
01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.560
<v Speaker 8>That's actually exactly what I'm doing. I'm coming to bring

1789
01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:29.760
<v Speaker 8>the message of your coup.

1790
01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:33.920
<v Speaker 9>So you're talking to your dad. Your dad is a

1791
01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:36.199
<v Speaker 9>prompt and he's talking about councils.

1792
01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:40.439
<v Speaker 35>Go ahead, yeah, And he was his His thing is,

1793
01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:43.600
<v Speaker 35>why aren't the things taught in what his holy tradition

1794
01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:46.079
<v Speaker 35>in the councils, things like that, Why isn't it included

1795
01:48:46.079 --> 01:48:48.680
<v Speaker 35>in the Bible? I tried to explain that, you know,

1796
01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:51.680
<v Speaker 35>they serve different purposes. I don't know if that's even correct,

1797
01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:52.840
<v Speaker 35>but it sounds correct.

1798
01:48:52.520 --> 01:48:53.359
<v Speaker 8>At the time of saying it.

1799
01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:59.960
<v Speaker 9>So well, wait, so why isn't the ecumenical councils included

1800
01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:02.880
<v Speaker 9>in the Bible. The Bible predates the ecumenical councils and

1801
01:49:03.039 --> 01:49:06.760
<v Speaker 9>is the direct teaching of the apostles in Moses and

1802
01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:09.640
<v Speaker 9>so forth. So why would the ecumenical councils be in

1803
01:49:09.680 --> 01:49:11.479
<v Speaker 9>the Bible. I don't understand the objection.

1804
01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:13.600
<v Speaker 19>I guess more like the.

1805
01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:16.600
<v Speaker 35>New Testament, Like why isn't like some of the rules

1806
01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:18.600
<v Speaker 35>that think, like the canon law and things like that.

1807
01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:23.399
<v Speaker 9>His thing is like, all right, So the early form

1808
01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:25.840
<v Speaker 9>of canon law is in the New Testament. It's the

1809
01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:30.680
<v Speaker 9>decision and decree of the Council in Acts fifteen. That's

1810
01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:31.239
<v Speaker 9>church law.

1811
01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:33.199
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that makes sense.

1812
01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:37.600
<v Speaker 9>So you'll notice there's a dispute that arises. We talked

1813
01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:40.680
<v Speaker 9>about this with two or three guys back right. The

1814
01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:44.720
<v Speaker 9>dispute arises. The Apostles meet together in the Council in

1815
01:49:44.800 --> 01:49:49.079
<v Speaker 9>Jerusalem and Acts fifteen, and they come to church law

1816
01:49:49.239 --> 01:49:52.560
<v Speaker 9>decisions based on multiple problems and scandals that are happening

1817
01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:56.720
<v Speaker 9>at that time. So the church after that, the Apostolic era,

1818
01:49:57.319 --> 01:50:01.479
<v Speaker 9>follows that same model and has local synods that are

1819
01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:04.079
<v Speaker 9>the normative way of governing the church to solve these

1820
01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:07.960
<v Speaker 9>problems and to have the authority to make church law

1821
01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:08.520
<v Speaker 9>canon law.

1822
01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:11.960
<v Speaker 8>Okay, okay.

1823
01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:14.399
<v Speaker 9>So in other words, the church after the Apostles is

1824
01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:20.479
<v Speaker 9>merely following the example of Act fifteen. Yeah, okay, dude,

1825
01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:22.479
<v Speaker 9>you over that plant. Dud's over there playing pole position.

1826
01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually at work in a in.

1827
01:50:26.680 --> 01:50:28.079
<v Speaker 19>A piece of heavy machinery.

1828
01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:29.199
<v Speaker 8>I'm moving that dude.

1829
01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:31.359
<v Speaker 9>Don't don't try to foolish you. You work at the

1830
01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:34.479
<v Speaker 9>go kart h at the at the the name go

1831
01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:36.960
<v Speaker 9>Kart Factor. You over there run it riding go karts around.

1832
01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:39.560
<v Speaker 8>Oh man, you got me, You got me. I'm just

1833
01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:41.119
<v Speaker 8>I'm just rolling around on the go carts.

1834
01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:45.039
<v Speaker 9>But that's actually pretty awesome. If you're like, you're at

1835
01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:47.560
<v Speaker 9>the go kart track proselytizing for yakub.

1836
01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:50.319
<v Speaker 8>That's exactly what I do. I sit here for twelve

1837
01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:50.920
<v Speaker 8>hours a day.

1838
01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:54.840
<v Speaker 9>Just all the parents think you're like a total creeper

1839
01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:56.680
<v Speaker 9>because you're a white dude that's over there trying to

1840
01:50:56.680 --> 01:50:57.960
<v Speaker 9>talk all the kids into Yakub.

1841
01:50:58.680 --> 01:50:59.800
<v Speaker 19>I'll wear the T shirt too.

1842
01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:05.039
<v Speaker 9>Any other questions, that's a good question. So I would say, well,

1843
01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:07.159
<v Speaker 9>like you said, yeah, the Bible is like a it's

1844
01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:11.760
<v Speaker 9>a it's not the type of book that we would

1845
01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:14.600
<v Speaker 9>expect church law to be. And of course church law

1846
01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:17.960
<v Speaker 9>is normative, it has authority, but it's not on the

1847
01:51:18.079 --> 01:51:21.560
<v Speaker 9>level of divine revelation. Divine revelation is the direct like

1848
01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:25.159
<v Speaker 9>revelation of the Holy Spirit to the church, it's you know,

1849
01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:28.600
<v Speaker 9>stands for all time. Revelation ceases with the death of

1850
01:51:28.640 --> 01:51:32.720
<v Speaker 9>the Last Apostle. And church law, although it has authority

1851
01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:35.479
<v Speaker 9>and it's normative for us, it's it's obviously going to

1852
01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:38.000
<v Speaker 9>be time bound and it's going to deal with specific

1853
01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:40.800
<v Speaker 9>things at that time. This is why you can't be

1854
01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:43.960
<v Speaker 9>like a spurgatism five thousand and try to read the

1855
01:51:44.079 --> 01:51:47.279
<v Speaker 9>canon law from a thousand years ago into today.

1856
01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:49.279
<v Speaker 18>Well, it says that we can't go to the theaters,

1857
01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:51.479
<v Speaker 18>and when it goes to the theaters as excommunicating for.

1858
01:51:51.479 --> 01:51:53.479
<v Speaker 9>The theaters at that time are not the same thing

1859
01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:55.680
<v Speaker 9>as movie theaters today. It's totally a different thing.

1860
01:51:56.800 --> 01:51:56.960
<v Speaker 8>Right.

1861
01:51:57.039 --> 01:52:01.600
<v Speaker 9>You can't like a clergy can't ride horse? Is why? Well,

1862
01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:04.239
<v Speaker 9>because at that I'm serious, like in the Middle Ages,

1863
01:52:04.840 --> 01:52:07.800
<v Speaker 9>riding a horse was a sign of nobility and clergy

1864
01:52:07.880 --> 01:52:12.159
<v Speaker 9>were not nobility. Okay, so does that cannon still apply? No,

1865
01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:15.159
<v Speaker 9>because it's not relevant to a society that no longer

1866
01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:16.800
<v Speaker 9>has aristocracy.

1867
01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:19.039
<v Speaker 19>That makes sense.

1868
01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:20.079
<v Speaker 8>I'm with you, I'm with you.

1869
01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:24.199
<v Speaker 9>I'll so what I'm trying to say is that that

1870
01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:28.600
<v Speaker 9>church law is necessary because the church has to deal

1871
01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:32.920
<v Speaker 9>with unique cases in various times and places within history,

1872
01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:38.439
<v Speaker 9>and the Bible itself doesn't address every possible situation like that, right,

1873
01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:43.760
<v Speaker 9>but it doesn't make the church law identical to divine revelation.

1874
01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:47.159
<v Speaker 19>Okay, cool, I like it.

1875
01:52:47.680 --> 01:52:48.039
<v Speaker 13>I like it.

1876
01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:50.800
<v Speaker 9>Great question, man, Thank you, and good luck with the

1877
01:52:51.039 --> 01:52:55.720
<v Speaker 9>Yakubian proselytizing at the go kart track. Patrick, what's up, dude?

1878
01:52:56.880 --> 01:52:58.840
<v Speaker 9>Oh forgot, by the way, there's supposed to be there

1879
01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:02.079
<v Speaker 9>is a Roman Catholic wants to bait tonight. So this

1880
01:53:02.239 --> 01:53:06.359
<v Speaker 9>is a buddy of Tim Gordon's. I forget the guy's name,

1881
01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:09.680
<v Speaker 9>something like Chris or something. So it seems like a

1882
01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:13.479
<v Speaker 9>nice dude, you know, seems like a wholesome, dad, dad,

1883
01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:15.960
<v Speaker 9>core kind of dude. He has a kind of a

1884
01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:20.960
<v Speaker 9>small channel, and he came across my video arguing that

1885
01:53:21.319 --> 01:53:24.520
<v Speaker 9>the dogmatic teaching on the temporal supremacy of the Roman

1886
01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:28.800
<v Speaker 9>bishop and how that's a contradiction. He made a long

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<v Speaker 9>response video to that. So instead of watching his entire

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<v Speaker 9>response video, which I'm not trying to be rude, I

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<v Speaker 9>just have time to watch it, I invited him to

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<v Speaker 9>come to debate. So for everybody listening, we may have

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<v Speaker 9>if he's he's not sure if he can do it tonight,

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<v Speaker 9>but about nine o'clock Eastern, we might have a debate

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<v Speaker 9>with a friendly Catholic dude.

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<v Speaker 38>What's up, man, Hey, there's it, Golenius Patrick, I'm not

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<v Speaker 38>really understanding your prompt for debate because it's just a

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<v Speaker 38>whole bunch of nowns.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, it's debating, though, it's debating any of those. In

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<v Speaker 9>other words, that if you're a caval y prot Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm not Protestant, Catholic, any of that ship.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, it's open debate for anything.

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<v Speaker 38>Really, I'm definitely I'm definitely agnostic. But I was wondering

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<v Speaker 38>if you're open to a debate about.

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<v Speaker 8>Whether or not rights or a force mandate or define mandate.

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<v Speaker 13>Uh.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Like we've had a lot of like libertarian type

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<v Speaker 9>debates that would touch on that.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 38>Uh so, do you ad hear that it's a force

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<v Speaker 38>mandate or divine mandate that we get our rights?

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<v Speaker 9>I would say, ultimately, any justification for the existence of

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<v Speaker 9>rights would have to be grounded in some kind of

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<v Speaker 9>divine transcendent being.

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<v Speaker 38>Yes, Okay, because I hear a lot of people talking

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<v Speaker 38>about force mand date.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not gonna waste your time because it's not really

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<v Speaker 8>a debate anymore because we.

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<v Speaker 28>Both agree so well.

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<v Speaker 9>As an agnostic, what what type of deity are you

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<v Speaker 9>talking about?

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<v Speaker 38>So, I mean, holistically, I do believe in a Christian God,

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<v Speaker 38>it's just I don't. It's really hard for me to

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<v Speaker 38>follow a specific religion because it's really hard for me

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<v Speaker 38>to pin myself.

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<v Speaker 8>Down to a group. I don't like group identity.

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<v Speaker 38>So it's hard for me to be like, say, all

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<v Speaker 38>go around and say I'm a Catholic or a Protestant

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<v Speaker 38>or Eastern Orthodoxy, because I feel like, once you put

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<v Speaker 38>yourself in that circle, you are now held to those

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<v Speaker 38>principles of that standard, and if they go, if they

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<v Speaker 38>conflict with your interests or values, you really don't have

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<v Speaker 38>an argument because now you just put yourself in a

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<v Speaker 38>place where you have to follow a doctrine, because if

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<v Speaker 38>you're not following that doctrine, then you're not following the

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<v Speaker 38>principles of that ideology. So as an agnostic, I respect

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<v Speaker 38>I believe in the principles of Judeo Christian values.

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<v Speaker 8>And I do.

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<v Speaker 38>I'd hear to a lot of their principles, but it's

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<v Speaker 38>just for me, I can't lock myself down into a religon.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't believe an organization.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, so you don't reject all collective identities, right or

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<v Speaker 9>do you?

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<v Speaker 23>Uh?

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<v Speaker 38>I think if you're running around as an individual saying

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<v Speaker 38>on this, on that, and preaching and preaching to people

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<v Speaker 38>of what you are and who you are,