WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:03.839 Monday afternoon, thirteen minutes past the hour up two o'clock. 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:05.400 Beautiful day, beautiful April day. 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:09.400 It's about sixty six sixty seven degrees, clear and sunny 4 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:11.759 here in downtown Salt Lake City, utahter a little bit 5 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:14.039 of a cold front closed out last week. We have 6 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:17.719 a great week of weather in the forecast. So Happy 7 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:21.320 Monday to you. Hope you had a fantastic weekend. Hope 8 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:23.000 you had a great weekend and ready to get back 9 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:25.120 at it on this Monday afternoon. And as it is 10 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.199 every single day, it's good to have you along for 11 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:29.960 the ride. Spence check, it's behind the mic, Porter Larson 12 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:31.760 behind the glass today. 13 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:33.200 And since you and I last. 14 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:37.280 Spoke, we had a really fun weekend of NBA playoff 15 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:41.479 basketball that continues tonight with a double header at Madison 16 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:43.960 Square Garden the Pistons in the Knicks. We'll tip off 17 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.479 at five thirty on Turner Sports. Then your late game 18 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.000 is the Clippers and the Nuggets. So we'll get to 19 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.920 some NBA playoff takeaways, we'll get to some of the 20 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:55.600 conversations that are kind of going around around the landscape 21 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:58.719 for pro basketball. Of course, to Utah Jazz another spring 22 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:01.439 with no playoff basketball here in Utah. That makes three 23 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:03.399 straight years, and you might want to buckle up and 24 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:04.840 hold on for the ride, because I don't think it's 25 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.519 happening anytime soon. On Friday night, it was the final 26 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.599 iteration of the play in Tournament, where the Heats send 27 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:14.560 Quinn Snyder in, the Atlanta Hawks packing for the off season, 28 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.879 and then the Memphis Grizzlies, despite a forty piece from 29 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:21.239 Anthony Davis, took care of the Dallas Mavericks, which of 30 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:26.079 course means Alex Jensen is free to allocate his full 31 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:30.359 time job to the University of Utah men's basketball program. 32 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.840 Transfer portal is open in college Hoops, and it is 33 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:36.319 open for another forty eight hours. In the world of 34 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.280 college football. Speaking of college football, was up at the 35 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.200 spring game over the weekend at rice Eco Stadium. Fun 36 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:44.599 to catch up with some of the coaches, some of 37 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:45.599 the administrators, and. 38 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:47.480 Some of the players. A lot of former players in the. 39 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:51.280 House Britton Covey, Zach Moss, Devin Lloyd and others. So 40 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.840 fun weekends, fun to taking a little college football. There's 41 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.439 some transfer portal news on the BYU side of things. 42 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.079 Not great news for BYU football, as Harrison Taggart and 43 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:05.719 Keelan Merrion have announced that they have entered the transfer portal. 44 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:11.080 Typically on the Monday after spring football ends for a program, 45 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.120 you do hear about some players deciding to leave, and 46 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.560 good news for you fans, we have not heard any 47 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:19.840 of that at least so far today. If anything comes down, 48 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:21.879 we'll let you know. Talked about this with Sean during 49 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.159 cross talk. Of course, the coaches will conduct some exit 50 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:27.479 interviews as these players will now kind of be left 51 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.319 to their own accord for a while. Talk to Jason 52 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.879 Beck and Morgan's Scully coach with on Saturday, and it's 53 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:36.439 all about recruiting now for the coaches to take advantage 54 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.159 of this trunk cad to transfer portal see if they 55 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.120 can add some talent to the roster. It is NFL 56 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:46.000 Draft week, so very exciting week for NFL fans. There's 57 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:48.639 not a lot of local buzz, but there's some junior 58 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:53.479 tafunuk for Anne reed Brand, Keithy, Caleb Loner, players like 59 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.039 Tyler Batty kleb Etn and Jacob Robinson from Brigham Young. 60 00:02:57.639 --> 00:02:59.280 So we'll get you ready for the NFL Draft. We 61 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.520 have one of my favorite NFL guest today. Still feels 62 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.479 like the draft begins at two after Tennessee goes. 63 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.319 Cam Ward at won, but left to see how it goes. 64 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:09.319 So a lot to do. 65 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:14.800 Another rough weekend for Real Salt Lake after a very fun, 66 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.639 exciting historic week last week announcing that the Miller family 67 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:21.560 has purchased the controlling interest of RSL. They welcomed in Toronto, 68 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.960 who had not won a match all year, and won 69 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.759 a match at America First Field in Sandy one. 70 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:27.360 Nil your final. 71 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:31.039 A very controversial red card handed to Diego Luna, the 72 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:32.639 young superstar for RSL. 73 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.199 I am told inside. 74 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:38.360 Sources little birdie que little bird, just the cutest little bird. 75 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:40.400 Sometimes he can get grumpy, but he's the best little 76 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:45.199 bird that ever existed. They have informed that they are 77 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.439 going to appeal to the league the red card that 78 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.680 was handed to Diego Luna. Alex Katranas took the mike 79 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:56.280 postgame and was very unhappy because this has been a 80 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.120 string of bad calls. Now, look, I'm not one to 81 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:01.599 utilize the officials as an excuse, because the fact of 82 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.360 the matter is the play of RSLs not being good enough. 83 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:06.319 They do have a striker on the way, I'm told 84 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.120 he'll be on the ground nother little birdie let me 85 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:09.919 know in the next twenty four to forty eight hours. 86 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:12.240 It's a little RSL on the program as well, a 87 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:13.840 lot to do Monday Afternoon style. 88 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:15.280 First guest right out of the gates to. 89 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.720 Break down all the NBA playoff storylines, and there's a 90 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.279 myriad of them. As Tom haberstrow right out of the gates, 91 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:24.560 he'll join us. We'll do some Utah football basketball, some 92 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:28.600 Red Rocks too. It was a rough second and third routine, 93 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.360 disciplined for the Red Rocks. They finished fourth in Nationals. 94 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.040 But Josh Furlong, we'll stop by today. We'll get you 95 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:37.240 ready for the NFL Draft with Ben Solak, rising star 96 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.879 front of the show from ESPN, and then Brian Dunseth 97 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.839 will stop by to talk all things RSL on this 98 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.199 Monday afternoon. So some football, some basketball, college and pro 99 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:52.120 little RSL. Utah Hockey Club and Bill Armstrong addressed the 100 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:56.199 media their postseason media availability as the Stanley Cup playoffs 101 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.519 have but gun and pro hockey. Justin Thomas wins the 102 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.319 RBC heritage as well at back in the Winter Circle. 103 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:03.240 So Tom Habers show Josh for. 104 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.879 Long, Ben Solak, Bryan don sef Mee, Spence check, it's 105 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:07.639 all of you, the great listeners, and that guy Porter 106 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:09.839 Larson Monday Afternoon. 107 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.439 Yo, give me one NBA playoff takeaway. 108 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.600 I know there's a mirror like OKC is freaking terrifying. Yeah, 109 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:20.759 give me one NBA playoff take away from the weekend. 110 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:24.480 That that might be the one is that I thought 111 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.680 the West was wide open because I haven't seen them 112 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:29.720 do it yet. Right now, we're one game, min we're 113 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:35.920 one game, but Oklahoma City looks like the eighty two games, right. 114 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.000 Sometimes you sometimes you don't get that. Spence. Let let's 115 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.279 zoom in here a little bit. I'm a Knicks guy, 116 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:48.480 We're a jazz market twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, Knicks Quinn 117 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.319 Snyder late late Jazz. 118 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:50.600 Right. 119 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:55.639 They were really really good rosters eighty two games, fifty 120 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:59.079 fifty five, close to sixty wins some of those teams. 121 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.560 But they were never built for the postseason, like physically 122 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.560 how their roster was put together. They weren't built for 123 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.680 the postseason. And I wasn't sure about okay see. But 124 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.600 the one takeaway I think from that is the one 125 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.560 that obviously stood out to you. Is that they are. 126 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.199 I think maybe what we think they are, maybe trust 127 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:21.519 them on. 128 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:24.519 Them so deep man, like everyone on that roster can play, 129 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.680 including former youth Brandon Carlson. All right, so we'll do 130 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.319 all the NBA playoff angles and storylines with our buddy 131 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.759 Tommy Haberstrow on a Monday. But before it gets tom, 132 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:36.000 courtesy of our good friends at Prize Picks, it is 133 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:37.800 time now for your opening tip. 134 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:40.920 Welcome to the Drive with Spence. Check its on Utah's 135 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.319 number one sports talk now into the studios of ESPN 136 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.000 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. 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You know, on the 167 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:08.319 Friday before the playoffs, you kind of talk about the predictions, 168 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.079 what you think the league is going to look like 169 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.680 who you think is going to advance, and certainly the 170 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.360 West continues to be much deeper than the East. The 171 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:18.439 East has some good young teams that are rising up. 172 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.079 So just some quick thoughts. On Saturday, we saw the 173 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:25.120 Timberwolves going to Los Angeles and just physically pushing around 174 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:29.439 the Lakers UH one seventeen to ninety five. And Minnesota. 175 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:31.800 Chris Finch is their head coach. He's been around the 176 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:33.879 block for a long time. JJ Reddick. This is his 177 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:36.480 first go around as a coach in the postseason, and 178 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:39.320 when Minnesota is healthy, there's a lot to like about 179 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:42.120 that roster. But really, the way they've got about their 180 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:46.000 construction is finding a bunch of big, physical wing defenders. 181 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:47.600 They can really get. 182 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.279 Up and cause problems for dominant offensive wings on the 183 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.720 other side. And of course the Lakers, their bread is 184 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:55.879 butter with two of the most exciting players and intelligent 185 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.600 players this generation, of course, Lebron and then Luke Adancic. 186 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:02.960 Luke went for thirty seven, but you know what Minnesota did. 187 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.759 They essentially allowed Luca to be a scorer and they 188 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:07.919 took away his ability as a facilitator. 189 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.600 He had one assist and that was by design. 190 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:12.840 It was almost like they're gonna let Luca do his 191 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:14.279 thing and then they're going to try to crowd the 192 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.440 other players. Lebron looked a little disconnected. I'm not gonna lie, 193 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:20.559 which was a little bit surprising. And JJ Reddick talked 194 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.840 about this post game that the Lakers were just not 195 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.679 ready for the Minnesota Timberwolves physicality. You know, as a 196 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.720 Nick fan, I'm not a big Julius Randall guy. But 197 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.360 Julius is a big, imposing wing, and when he is 198 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:35.240 kind of determined to at least give you effort defensively, 199 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.279 he can change the game. I'm just not a big 200 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.519 fan of his ball stopping offensive tendencies. You're not going 201 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.080 to get a Jaden McDaniels eleven to thirteen, three or 202 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.519 three from three game more often than not, twenty five points, 203 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.360 nine boards. But he did a really good job on 204 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:50.399 Lebron and then Ant made some big shots down the 205 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:53.679 stretch twenty two points, nine boards, eight assists. You know, 206 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:57.159 it's interesting for Jazz fans Chris Finch sat Rudy Gobert 207 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:58.480 for big stretches. 208 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.000 Where have we seen heard that before? Playoff basketball? 209 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.679 When the other team goes small, oftentimes it is better 210 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:07.440 to sit go Beart so that it's less than the 211 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.320 Quinn never really latched onto I don't know that he 212 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:12.960 ever believed in it, but nas Reed came off the bench. 213 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:14.240 It was awesome with twenty three. 214 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:16.919 They have got great depth and they're healthy right now, 215 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:20.039 and you know, with Luke and Lebron, I would imagine 216 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:22.279 the Lakers are going to find their way back into 217 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.480 the series. And I'm not saying it's over, but that 218 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:26.600 was kind of the main takeaway I had from Saturdays 219 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.279 till the Nuggets had a great comeback against the Clippers, 220 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.159 and you got to give Russell Westbrook a ton of 221 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:35.639 credit with his defense down the stretch, fourth quarter, overtime. 222 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.159 That's going to be a barn burner. I wouldn't be 223 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:40.840 shocked if we went seven. But a great, great game 224 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:42.879 one between the Nugs and the Clips went to Denver. 225 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.480 Now the series that everybody seems to be talking about 226 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:50.279 and we are. You referenced, oksee beat Memphis by fifty one. Okay, 227 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:53.440 so like I know, John Moran came out after the game, 228 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.559 so we're not going to play that poorly. Again, I 229 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:57.759 don't think this has anything to do with the Grizzlies. 230 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.120 I think this is all about how historically spent SEC 231 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.799 Oklahoma City is and has been all year, and they 232 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:05.919 probably just don't receive a ton of attention because they 233 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:08.919 play in a market that nobody really wants to visit, 234 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.919 nobody really gives a rip about. But I went to 235 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.720 the OKC Jazz game, the final Jazz home game of 236 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:16.919 the season, and I sat with our guys, Smittye and 237 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:18.840 Scott Layden was in town as well, So sat with 238 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:23.879 those two and Scotty and Smitty just marveling at the 239 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.639 depth of OKC and how every player on that roster 240 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.279 can play high level NBA basketball. I mean, Shay Gilgess, 241 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.159 Alexander was a wallflower. He didn't do much at all. 242 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.279 He's their best player by far. He needed thirteen shots 243 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:41.679 to score fifteen points and they beat Memphis by fifty 244 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.440 one points. So, of course OKAC has been historically special 245 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.120 all year. Probably should have given them a little bit 246 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:50.080 more credit entering the postseason. Of course, some of these 247 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.320 Western Conference teams will have something to say about it. 248 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.759 But Oklahoma City is the overwhelming favorite to roll out 249 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:57.759 of the Western Conference. And if you haven't watched them 250 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.720 all year, you probably are now intered to just how 251 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.960 good they are. But the series that everybody seems to 252 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.000 be talking about is Golden State Houston. So real quick 253 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:08.639 here that that was a case. And I talk about 254 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:10.720 this all the time, and I do try to bring 255 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:13.200 our NBA coverage back to the local scene and through 256 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:15.960 the prism of what we can learn about this roster 257 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.840 construction project that the Jazz are going through right now. 258 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:21.720 But I say this every year, and it's not some 259 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.080 you know, this is not brain surgery, This is not 260 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.720 rocket science here. But when it comes to playoff basketball 261 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.279 on the road, that's when superstars remind you who they are. 262 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.720 Playoff basketball on the road, Okay, young players always played 263 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:38.919 better at home and certainly come playoff time when it's 264 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:42.879 a half court offensive, slow it down battle and officials 265 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.720 tend to swallow their whistles. You have to have dudes 266 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:47.480 that have been there before. You have to have dudes 267 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.720 that are not afraid of the moment on the road. 268 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.960 And I like the Rocket's physicality. I like their size. 269 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.440 They actually caused Golden State a ton of issues when 270 00:12:56.480 --> 00:12:59.720 emy Udoaka went with Steven Adams and Alprim Shangun when 271 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:02.960 they win big. Golden State struggled and Steph was cold 272 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.840 to start, but it was like Steph and Jimmy Butler 273 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:08.639 were both waiting for their moment in the third quarter 274 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:10.039 and the fourth quarter. At the end of the third 275 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.440 they couldn't hit a shot, but fourth quarter time was 276 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.639 Steph and Jimmy period. Okay, so there's a lot to 277 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.600 like about this young rocket squad. I'm and Thompson man. 278 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.440 For all the conversation about how he was going to 279 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:23.120 lock down Steph Curry, that was not the case at all. 280 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:25.360 Shan Gun was the only one who really played well. 281 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:27.759 Now Van Vliet will not go four of nineteen, two 282 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.679 of thirteen from three. But when Houston's offense breaks down 283 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:32.919 in the half court set, who are they? I have 284 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.360 no idea because Van Vliet is not a guy that 285 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:36.399 can beat you off the dribble. 286 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:39.039 He's more of a volume shooter. Jalen Green was over 287 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:39.600 his skis. 288 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:41.919 I heard a lot of people pick Houston in this 289 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.360 series in Golden State. To me, at least for one night, 290 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:47.919 showed everybody why once again in the playoffs you have 291 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.919 to have superstars that show up on the road. All Right, 292 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.240 we'll do more with Tom Harstrow coming up Playoff Style, 293 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:56.919 but want to welcome in a very special guest live 294 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.840 in studio, Tally and Corey from Courtland Roofing. 295 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:02.679 Gentlemen, Happy Monday. How are we doing good? How are you? 296 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:04.120 I'm good? Thank you for the time. 297 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.279 Basketball fans at all football fans. What's what's your what's 298 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:08.000 your sport of choice? 299 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.120 All sports? All sports? 300 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:09.320 Yep? 301 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:12.919 Okay, are we talking utes? Cougars like utes all the way? 302 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.799 Okay, very nice, Well, nice to meet you guys, Thanks 303 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:17.840 for coming in studio. So Tally, I'll start with you. 304 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.159 Let's talk about your spring special. What would you like 305 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:21.960 our listeners to know? 306 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:23.879 So with any roof. 307 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:28.279 Replacement, we are going to give you a give you 308 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.960 free seamless gutters on the with that roof replacement. 309 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.000 So free seamless gutters for the lame and those are 310 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:34.639 rain gutters. 311 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.879 Rain gutters, yes, and and that's a that's a big offer, 312 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:39.399 right like free rain gutters. 313 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.120 What sort of value are we talking about there? 314 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:42.879 A couple thousand dollars, a. 315 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:46.639 Couple thousand bucks okay, so spring sale. Okay, So Corey, 316 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.000 we'll move over to you. What do they have to 317 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.600 do to take advantage of this and actually get the 318 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:50.240 free rain gutters. 319 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:51.679 Yeah, so they just need to call us by the 320 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:54.759 end of the show today schedule and appointment will come 321 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:57.960 out do a free inspection of the roof and and 322 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.720 look at the rain gutters and and if we do 323 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.360 a full roof replacement for them then yeah they can. 324 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.639 They'll take advantage of that and get free ring gutters. 325 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:06.120 Very nice. 326 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.720 So Tally, tell me about your company this big picture. 327 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:10.279 How long you guys been in operation? What do you 328 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:11.159 want our listeners to know. 329 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.039 We've been in business for twenty years, family owned, locally owned. 330 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:17.919 It's really important to us to take care of people. 331 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.919 And your roof is an important part of your home. 332 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:25.399 Basically takes care of all of your assets, for sure. 333 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:26.440 It's on the inside. 334 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:28.039 Now this time of year. 335 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:29.720 Corey will go to you on this this time of 336 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:32.879 year as the weather starts to get warm, and this 337 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:36.360 is your I'm a layman here, this is your business. 338 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.639 I would imagine folks are kind of analyzing the damage 339 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.720 that the winter has done right to try to see 340 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:43.919 if this is a good time to get some roof repairs. 341 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:44.720 Is that fair to say? 342 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:45.000 Yeah? 343 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:47.519 Absolutely, Spring is a big time because we've just gone 344 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.279 through winter. There has been damage, and we do work 345 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.879 with a lot of insurance companies, so a lot of 346 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.559 times people have wind damage or even hill damage and 347 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.080 we can come out and assess the roof and we 348 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.799 can let you know if it's worth filing the claim. 349 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:03.480 And so we take you through the whole process and 350 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.679 work directly with the insurance so you don't have to. 351 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.240 Talk about Tally. The warranty. 352 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.679 Folks love warranties, and you guys have what you perceive 353 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.360 to be one of the best warranties in the business. 354 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:13.480 Fair to say, Yeah, the. 355 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:18.080 Great warranty, labor warranty, the manufacturer warranty. We use Owens 356 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:23.039 Corning products. There's a fifty year limited lifetime warranty associated 357 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.080 with that and we're not going anywhere. 358 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:27.399 We'll take it care of you, all right. 359 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.159 So it's Courtland Roofing my guys, Tally and Coreyan Studio. 360 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:30.879 Here's the deal. 361 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:34.159 The spring sale gets you free rain gutters and a 362 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.320 replacement roof. The roof is not free, but the rain 363 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.360 gutters are free. It is a value of several thousand dollars. 364 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.519 So get ready for the wet weather by calling our 365 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.559 experts for a free inspection and take advantage of the 366 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.159 spring pricing right now. So call the schedule the consultation 367 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.159 during the show today and you get free rain gutters, 368 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:54.519 which is a massive, massive added value for you. And 369 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:56.639 here's the number. Call right now at eight oh one 370 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:59.840 six one five five five six zero. That's eight o 371 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.840 one six one five five five six zero quarter. 372 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:04.799 Young man. 373 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:10.160 It's not often that you directly violate a by law 374 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:11.960 of the radio show. 375 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:14.279 Do I need to remind you? 376 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:16.839 No, it's not It's not often that you violate one 377 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:19.000 of the tenants of the show. Need I remind you 378 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.799 our rule when you decide to go with the greatest 379 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.359 live act and history of music, Dave Matthews Ben no hits? 380 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:28.079 I know, yeah, we we subscribe to the Andy Bernard 381 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:29.000 rule about Dave. 382 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.640 What's going on with you? I know, I know? 383 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:35.240 No hits. As you said, it was very last minute. 384 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.359 It was very last second. I had like three seconds 385 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:39.480 to throw a song up. I had to throw a 386 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:42.359 Northeast jam band up for you and Tom fair enough. 387 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.480 I don't know, man, all good? Is this a hit? 388 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:48.480 It's the only song they've ever won a Grammy for, 389 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.440 so it's like the hit but you know what, it's 390 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.839 all right Monday Afternoon style, NBA Playoff style. Tom Haberstrow 391 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.559 batting lead off on the show, Tommy Happy money man. 392 00:17:57.559 --> 00:17:58.039 How are we doing? 393 00:17:58.799 --> 00:17:58.880 So? 394 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.359 You prefer him to do number forty one or something? 395 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.039 There we go, Tom, talk to you know. I love 396 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.839 when you talked dirty about Dave. Tom, I appreciate that. Yes, 397 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:12.319 indeed that would and live preferably obviously not the studio recording. 398 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.200 Yeah, yeah, I prefer I think number forty one might 399 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:19.000 be my favorite lab Jimmy thing or a two step 400 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:20.079 I can get with any of those. 401 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:21.160 There we go, There we go. 402 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:23.279 All right, Tom, I'm gonna ask you the question we 403 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:27.240 started the show off with NBA Playoff basketball over the weekend. 404 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:32.039 The one major takeaway for you is what if you 405 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:33.039 had to kind of hone. 406 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:33.519 In on one thing. 407 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:40.000 Physicality is back, Spence, Physicality is back. I did this 408 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:43.640 study over at the Finder the last couple of days. 409 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:46.200 I've been kind of looking at this because I think 410 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:50.839 it was during the Lakers game Jay Billis pointed out 411 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.079 that they hadn't been called for a foul and like 412 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.519 four minutes into the second quarter, and he was noting it, 413 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:59.160 and then I tracked it for all the games. It 414 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.079 was the fewest few attempts for an opening weekend in 415 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.559 the NBA Playoffs. Ever, an average of seventeen free throws 416 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.440 per teen per game is the lowest we've ever seen 417 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.920 in the playoffs, and it isn't particularly close. Last year 418 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:16.720 it was an average about twenty one, and this year 419 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.839 it's seventeen eighteen right in there. So last year was 420 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:24.920 the lowest and now we're about fifteen percent lower than 421 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:29.519 the previous low. And so what we're seeing is, you know, 422 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.799 the physicality that the Warriors are able to play with 423 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:38.359 on Jalen Green and with Fred van Vliet and Shane Goon. 424 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.519 That's the difference. They allowed eighty five points in that game, 425 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:46.960 and Imo Udoka said after the Ames, He's like, we 426 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:50.759 held the Warriors to ninety five points. That's a win, 427 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.000 Like normally that is a win. But we couldn't get 428 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.880 our offense going. And a lot of it is because 429 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.480 the Warriors were more physical. And what JJ Reddick and 430 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:02.599 Lebron James said after they lost the Minnesota Timberrlves is 431 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.079 we need to be more physical. And the Pistons they 432 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.599 got run out of that gym at Madison Square Garden 433 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:12.440 because they were not playoff tested, they weren't ready to 434 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:17.119 play bullyball, and Kate Cunningham shriveled up. And so if 435 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:20.000 you go to Tomdfinder dot com you can see historically 436 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:23.920 free throw attempts in the playoffs go down, but especially 437 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:30.039 so this postseason where teams are not really getting to 438 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:31.759 the line at a high rate, and I think it 439 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:34.039 has huge implications for this postseason. 440 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:37.279 All right, so let's tackle some of these one by one, 441 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:42.079 and we'll start out this way with the Western Conference 442 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.319 stuff before we moved back east. As we continue the conversation, 443 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:49.200 so Denver clips, I mean, the West continues to be 444 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:51.519 ridiculously deep. There are gonna be some really good teams 445 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:54.960 are going home. The Clippers entered the postseason on fire. 446 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:57.079 And as I talked to you last week about whenever 447 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:59.400 Kauai is healthy for an extended stretch, we all do 448 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:01.839 the thing where like, oh, yeah, that's who that dude is. 449 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:04.880 And I've always kind of been like, you can have 450 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:08.240 Russell Westbrook guy. And I don't think there's anything sustainable 451 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.759 about what we saw from him Game one, but he 452 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.240 does have the ability to bring energy that really puts 453 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.839 him in a category that is very, very small, and 454 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.279 that's what I've always respected about him. His defense down 455 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:21.400 the stretch was great. That was a hell of a 456 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.039 basketball game. Give me your take Clips Nugs Game one, 457 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:25.599 and how do you see that playing out? 458 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:26.240 Man? 459 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:28.759 I am not a huge Russell Westbrook fan, like I 460 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:33.640 have never been. I just think that his stat sheet 461 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.359 is really impressive and his energy is really impressive. But 462 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.400 in terms of winning plays, like, I'd rather have a 463 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.279 lot more players in today's era than Russell Westbrook. I 464 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:48.359 think a lot of it is empty calories. And man, 465 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:53.720 that performance on Saturday was awesome. Down the stretch, he 466 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:58.759 was great. He had a lot of he smoked some layups, 467 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:02.759 you know, but he got to every rebound, offensive rebound 468 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:09.039 after offensive rebound, deflections, big plays, passes like he made 469 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.000 so many winning plays down the stretch. And if we 470 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.480 can get that guy every game, I think the Denver 471 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.559 Nuggets can win this series. But if we can't get 472 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:23.200 that guy, then there's just not enough weapons on Jokic's side. 473 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.039 I think the Clippers win this series. 474 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:25.359 Still. 475 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:29.039 I thought that they were gonna win this one handily, 476 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:32.440 and then the Nuggets stormed back and they could not 477 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:36.759 generate good offense the Clippers and the winning, the energy, 478 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:39.960 the winning plays, they were all done by Russell Westbrook 479 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:44.279 and the Denver Nuggets, and you know that tilts the scales. 480 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:47.400 I mean, I just I never thought we would see 481 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:50.559 Russell Westbrook at this age be the high energy guy 482 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.559 making the right play at the right time. But he did, 483 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.680 and for that Game one, I was really impressed with 484 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:59.400 him down the stretch. Now you're there's good stuff and 485 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:02.319 then there's bad. Russ Right, there's the five to seventeen 486 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:05.400 shooting where he's taking jumpers where they're begging him to shoot, 487 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.559 and he has them clutch shots. But I don't think 488 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:11.880 that you're gonna be able to rely on that going forward. 489 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.559 Like you said, it's unexpected to get that kind of 490 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.640 high performance from Russell Westbrook, and you're gonna need the 491 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:24.279 complimentary players Peyton Watson, Porter Junior, Christian Brown. You need 492 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:26.759 those guys to show up in Game two or else. 493 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:28.960 I think the Clippers are the better team. I think 494 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:32.039 Jokic is the best player in this series, but I 495 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.279 think with James Harden with Zubots, who I think handles 496 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:39.640 Jokic as well as anybody, I'm not saying he's a stopper, 497 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:43.519 but I think Zoo is as good of a defender 498 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:47.400 on Nikola Jokic, and the analytics back that up. I 499 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.480 think they have a good shot at winning this series, 500 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.160 a better shot than the Nuggets. But Russell Westbrook, man, 501 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:55.599 he had lightning in a bottle for those last couple 502 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.599 of minutes and he was awesome. I can understand why 503 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.440 they're so many. Russell Westbrook stands out there because all 504 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:06.200 you remember the good ones, and in victories, you remember 505 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.039 the good ones and you forget all the mistakes and 506 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:14.079 all the dumb passes and all the smoked smoke putbacks 507 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:19.319 and all that. But when there's more than there are downsides, man, 508 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:21.759 Russell Westbrook is awesome to root for it, and that's 509 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:22.680 what he was in Game one. 510 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.839 Not excuse me, I'm not an emotional man, Tommy, but 511 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:31.440 I will say somebody who was courtsied for Marcus Camby 512 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.880 giving Jeff Van Gundy a black eye and Jeff Van 513 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.880 Gundy holding on for dear life of Alonzo Morning's leg. 514 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.119 Watching Jeff Wressell with Nikola jokicch for the basketball, it 515 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.759 made me somewhat emotion. What brought it here to my eye, 516 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:45.799 I gotta say, well, you. 517 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.920 Know what's weird about that is he had a similar 518 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.240 thing with Matt Ishbia. Do you remember this, Yeah, yep, 519 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.200 ball goes out of bounds and into the stands and 520 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.400 it's Matt Ishbia, the owner of the Phoenix Suns, and Ishpia, 521 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.319 who played as a walk on at Michigan State, was like, nah, 522 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:05.680 I'm not giving you the ball back, and Yokich there 523 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:10.839 was like an altercation. And then if you remember, Mark Dagnall, 524 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:16.119 the coach of OKC, tried to like have this hack 525 00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:21.119 where they had one of his players I think it 526 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.319 was I think it was Dylan Jones. He had one 527 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:28.920 of his players stand at the scorers table to check 528 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.960 in and then not check in because they could not 529 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:36.319 stand how quickly the referees would give Jokich the ball 530 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:39.759 on out of bounds like on made baskets. Yokich would 531 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.440 get the ball so quickly, and the thunder thought that 532 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:46.079 is not right, Like they got to like give the ball. 533 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:47.960 He has to pass to the referee and get the 534 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:53.160 ball back, and they're not ruling that correctly. So dag 535 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:55.839 Nault would send a guy, a bench guy that he 536 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.599 had no intention of going to the game, but would 537 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.279 send him to the scorers table because he wanted Jokic 538 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.319 to not get the ball so quickly out of bounds. 539 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.519 And then so this is like the third time that 540 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.759 this has happened. And of course you got Powell, who's 541 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.079 a Jason Powell, who's the trainer, the head athletic trainer 542 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.319 for the Clippers forever, and Jeff Van Gunny now getting 543 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:21.359 with Yokich. This has become a thing. This has become 544 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.519 a thing, and it just delights me to know end 545 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.519 that like the only way to stop or slow down 546 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.720 Yokic is to just hold on to the ball for 547 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.240 a nextra beat and then you'll finally get your way. 548 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.880 You think Jeff gets another head coaching job, Maybe he 549 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:37.480 doesn't want one. 550 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:37.839 I don't know. 551 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.480 He's done such a great job, and I'm biased, I 552 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:42.240 would admit it. But do you think that will be 553 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:44.799 There are opens openings and there will be more. 554 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:45.839 Do you think Jeff gets a look? 555 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.640 I think he does. I mean, you look at you know, 556 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.960 just getting back into the game is half the battle. 557 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.240 And I think you know he did some Team USA 558 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.440 for the Select team for a couple of years. I 559 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:05.240 think it's getting actually within the NBA circle, I think 560 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:08.440 is gonna dramatically improve his chances of getting a job 561 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.279 rather than trying to hold out for a head coaching gig. 562 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.319 You know, this is a weird league. Man like JJ 563 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.119 Reddick went from hosting a podcast to becoming the head 564 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.440 coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. There is no straight 565 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.279 line path to becoming a head coach in the NBA. 566 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:29.960 And it's just, you know, these owners, I don't think 567 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.960 they know what they want. And I think there's gonna 568 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.480 be an owner who wants someone with that name recognition, 569 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:42.359 who's a brilliant basketball strategist, who's a guy that has 570 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:47.279 been around for decades in the league. And I think 571 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.720 you're gonna see his name in some circles. Whether they 572 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.400 hire him or not, I'm not sure what the exact 573 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.920 right fit is, but you're telling me Sacramento or Memphis 574 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:02.279 with the interim coach there, you're telling me that with 575 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.200 Denver having I think Michael Malone is kind of in 576 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.880 that Van Gundy tree, So I'm not I'm not totally 577 00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.799 sure they would hire Jeff Van Gundy, but I do 578 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.480 think that he'll probably get another opportunity at some point 579 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.000 in the next couple of years. 580 00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:21.960 You reference JJ Reddick and look, I don't know how 581 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.400 much the narrative of, hey, this is his first playoff 582 00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:27.559 series as a head coach, so Game one was kind 583 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:29.279 of a bad look for him. They did try to 584 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.759 go small, almost exclusively, and of course out here in 585 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.599 Salt Lake City watching Rudy Gobert have to go to 586 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.839 the bench when the Lakers were going small, you know, 587 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:42.039 we all have memories of that, and nas Reed stepped 588 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:43.960 in and had a really, really good game. I was 589 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.200 a little bit surprised that Lebron didn't seem to engage physically, 590 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.839 because Minnesota, when they're healthy, they've got a ton of 591 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.359 just big, physical wing defenders. And I'm not a huge 592 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.200 Julius Randall guy because of course, plenty of years in 593 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.799 New York where the ball just stalls with him and 594 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.680 he had seven turnovers, and offensively, you know there are 595 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:05.680 always going to be issues. But when he's engaged, he's 596 00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:08.359 a big, strong dude. So it is Jaden McDaniels, so 597 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.720 his aunt, and they kind of let Lucas score and 598 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.400 they were fine with that, but they took away his 599 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.599 ability to facilitate he i'd one assist. So look, Lebron 600 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.799 and Luca are both generational, they're both brilliant. 601 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:19.960 So I'm not saying this is over. 602 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.839 But takeaways from te Wolves Lakes Game one, how do 603 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:23.599 you think it plays out? 604 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.359 They need to be better shooting. I mean, when you 605 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:31.440 have the Timberwolves get hot, like Julius Randall's not going 606 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.960 to shoot for a sec from downtown, right, that's not 607 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:36.880 going to continue. Jada McDaniels isn't going to shoot three 608 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.039 to three from downtown. You get basically at twenty one 609 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.160 points on threes from those two players. That's not replicable. 610 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:48.240 But what also is it replicable is you can't have 611 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.559 basically Luca the only one hitting threes in that game. 612 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.880 And that's something that the Lakers have to figure out. 613 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.000 If you're going to go small, you better hit shots 614 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.519 from downtown. The certainly aren't going to play bully ball 615 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.400 and just get the guy in the post and just 616 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.960 score at will inside the paint. They need to figure 617 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:12.519 out a way to get the others. I'm talking ruy Ashramura, 618 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.119 I'm talking Gabe Vincent, these other scorers. I mean, Dorian 619 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.759 Finney Smith has to be a three point threat. If 620 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.400 he's going to be out there, because if you're not defending, 621 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.599 you've got to be able to do something on the 622 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:28.599 other end, and they weren't defending. The Timberwolves. Scoring one 623 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:33.960 hundred and seventeen points on the surface doesn't seem like 624 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:39.279 an egregious defensive game. That game was Neanderthal. That was 625 00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:43.319 an eighty six possession game. One hundred and seventeen points 626 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:49.480 allowed on a eighty six possessions. That's one hundred and 627 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.359 thirty three defensive rating by the Lakers. If you're gonna 628 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.400 play DFS, if you're gonna play small, and you're gonna 629 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.400 go with Ruy and DFS and Luki Lebron and Austin 630 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.039 Reeves yet better be defending at a high level. But 631 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.839 they couldn't stop the Timberwolves. And yes, a little bit 632 00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.759 of that with some unsustainably good three point shooting, but 633 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.599 that is one of the worst defensive outputs that the 634 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.319 Lebron led team has ever had, one hundred and thirty 635 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.799 three point defensive rating. They got to be better defensively, 636 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.200 more locked in, more physical, and that's what you heard 637 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.160 from JJ Reddick. They got to bring more physicality and 638 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.440 he's not going to call out Lebron by name and 639 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.279 Luca by name. But they've got to be better defensively, 640 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.000 and that is just absolutely putrid defense, one hundred and 641 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.720 thirty three points every one hundred possions of allowing game one. 642 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.480 So I went to the Jazz OKC game, mostly because 643 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.079 it was the final home game of the season for 644 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.160 the Jazz and just an excuse to go down there. 645 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.759 And you know, I sat with Richard Smith, forty years 646 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:51.920 with the Jazz, and Scottie Laden, who of course was 647 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.759 the GM here GM in New York, and they were 648 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.960 just marveling at how every single player on Oklahoma City's 649 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:03.519 roster seems to be able to play at a really 650 00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.359 high level. I mean guys that you've never really even 651 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.079 heard of, Guys that maybe even you know, big time 652 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.680 NBA fans don't really know all that. Well, look, Shay 653 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.160 went four to thirteen, had fifteen points, and they beat 654 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:21.799 Memphis by fifty one. Like it's pretty it's pretty terrifying, Tom, 655 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.759 And look, I know you know this, and so do 656 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:25.519 I because we watch the league and we cover the league. 657 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.799 They've been historically great all year with their net and 658 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:30.519 we know what they can do on defense and look, 659 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.680 Memphis is not a world beater, and obviously they're in 660 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.200 only because they want to play in so I don't 661 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.519 want to overreact, but that was pretty overwhelming. Watch OKC 662 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.200 just toy with Memphis game one. What were your takeaways. 663 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.799 I've been saying this all season, man, you know it, 664 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:49.559 I U OKC is gonna run away with this thing, 665 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.759 and game one Memphis proved at least for one game 666 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:57.200 against the eight seed when they had thirty six hours 667 00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.240 before tip off. I'm talking Memphis after they on the 668 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.400 playing spot that proclamation by me earlier this season and 669 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.680 say that this OKAC team is something else, that they 670 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:10.720 are one of the great ones and they're gonna win 671 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:14.240 this thing easily. That looked smart for a night. Now 672 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.680 I will say this to your point, it's not sexy 673 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.119 or it's not kind of gonna draw any sort of 674 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:23.960 eyeballs to just say they have a lot of high 675 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.839 IQ players. But what's so interesting about this team is 676 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.640 they had one finalist for the awards. One finalist. It 677 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.640 was Shay Gilders Alexander for MVP. He probably will win it, 678 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.400 but you're talking defense. Sixth Man of the Year, Most 679 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.279 Improved Coach of the year, none of them have Okac's 680 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.640 name on it. And this was the team that had 681 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:50.759 the largest point differential in NBA history. They blew out 682 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:54.920 teams by more than any other team in NBA history 683 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.960 this year sixty eight wins, fourteen losses. But the way 684 00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.480 they just just destroyed teams was on a level we 685 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.759 haven't seen. And they are not a team that had 686 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.880 more than one appearance on the major NBA awards this year, 687 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.360 And it just goes to show that, like this is 688 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.400 a team that's the head of the snake is Shay 689 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.599 Godris Alexander, but they have so many high IQ, high 690 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:23.199 performing players like you said, and I'll point out that 691 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.719 Jalen Williams leads the team in triple doubles this year. 692 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:34.159 And it's not that Jalen Williams, right, the other Jalen Williams, 693 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.840 the one who comes off the bench, the backup center 694 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.480 who I will remind you wasn't even a first round pick. 695 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:48.000 Jalen Williams from Arkansas. This dude has three triple doubles 696 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:51.039 this year and he's the team leader in triple doubles, 697 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:55.119 not Shay or Jalen, that guy against the Blazers earlier 698 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:56.880 this year is covering the game. I was working the 699 00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:58.559 game and I was like, I think he's gonna get 700 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.719 a triple double. And this guy is like their tenth 701 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.519 best player, So like this this team is so deep. 702 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.119 Aaron Wiggins. He's kind of this guy that if he 703 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:11.960 was on the nets this year, he would have averaged 704 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.159 twenty five a game. That's how good he is. He's 705 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.599 already got a forty piece this season, and in ways 706 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:19.679 that a lot of good scorers this year haven't had 707 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:24.119 a forty burger. The Thunder are great. They play as well, disciplined, 708 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.960 as smart. They're gonna be this team that because of 709 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:33.119 the referees. If this sticks, if the referees reward physicality, 710 00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:36.360 the Thunder might stand to gain more than anybody. And 711 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.079 I know people are gonna say, hey, shay goch is 712 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:41.679 Alexander a foul merchant. He leads all guards in free 713 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.280 throws per game. I get it, but you don't realize 714 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.559 if this Thunder defense, that's already by far the best 715 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.360 defense in the NBA, if the referees are gonna officiate 716 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.920 and let things play, dude, it's gonna be It's gonna 717 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.039 be a bloodbath every single night. Against Thunder lou Dort. 718 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.159 You could call a foul on lou Dort every single 719 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:05.960 time down the floor, case and walls, every time that 720 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.320 Isaiah Hartenstein, every shake goes of Alexander, the way he 721 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:14.159 swipes and and gets into every passing lane. They could 722 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.599 call a foul on every player on this team every 723 00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.679 time down the floor. They are that physical, there's that menacing. 724 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.239 They're that brutal to go against. And if the referees 725 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.000 are going to swallow the wristle their whistle in the postseason, like, 726 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:28.960 I don't know how you're gonna score against this team. 727 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.840 And I feel bad for John Moran and the Memphis 728 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.159 Grizzlies because I don't think they had a shot. But 729 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.639 this is a warning. This is a warning. This is 730 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.440 a This is a warning shot for the rest of 731 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.760 the league that they took it easy on Memphis and 732 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:44.199 they still couldn't score it more than eighty points if 733 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.920 they tried for the whole game, if they played all 734 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.320 their guys the whole game, I don't know if Memphis 735 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.719 would have scored sixty. And so this is a team, 736 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:58.639 the Thunder that is if this whistle continues, this is 737 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.360 gonna go back to nineties basket. We're going to see 738 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.000 a lot of wins by thirty plus and the other 739 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.119 team is not going to score more than eighty. 740 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.280 Which should be good news for a team like the 741 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.920 Houston Rockets. So let's move over to Golden State Houston 742 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.159 for a moment here, because I heard a lot of people, 743 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.519 a lot of people and yes, Charles Barkley, but you know, 744 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.519 over the years, I've always reminded people that that is 745 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.719 an entertainment product, and Chuck is the one that guarantees 746 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.760 everything and oftentimes is wrong, and I love him. Charles 747 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.719 is great. I will die on that hill, but he's 748 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.199 not alone. A lot of people thought Houston, with their size, 749 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.440 their length, their physicality, they would beat Golden State round one. 750 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.559 Maybe they still will, but you know, for all the 751 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.079 Aman Thompson is going to have Steph Curry and jail 752 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.360 conversation yea had Steph had his moments where he struggled. 753 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.239 I don't know if we can be as reductive as 754 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:49.239 saying superstars win games in the playoffs on the road, 755 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.320 because that's what they do and that's who Steph and 756 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:56.000 Jimmy are. When Houston's offense breaks down to the half court, Tom, 757 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:56.880 I don't know who they are. 758 00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:57.400 I really don't. 759 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.960 I mean, Shangun is awesome, but I don't need another isolation. 760 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.840 Fred van Vliet dribble it through my leg seven times 761 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.320 and then chuck up at contested three. Jalen Green didn't 762 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:10.280 look ready, Tarry Easton didn't look ready. And again a 763 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.559 young team with physicality and length. They did find something 764 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.360 when they went Steven Adams and Shanngun together. And maybe 765 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:18.159 they just have to muck it up with their bigs. 766 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.239 But takeaways. Game one, Golden State Houston, how do you 767 00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:21.960 think it plays out? 768 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:26.960 Yeah, they don't have shooting, they don't have I mean, 769 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.559 if Fred van Vliet or Jalen Green don't have it going, 770 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.320 they are gonna have to be in this kind of 771 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.519 slug fest. And unfortunately, Draymond Green loves playing in the mud. 772 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.320 You know, this is a guy that loves when it 773 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.800 gets grimy, when it gets physical. That's where Draymond Green 774 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.840 wants to play. And that's exactly playing into the Warriors' hands. 775 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.800 Jimmy Butler, same thing. Like when it comes to just 776 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:56.639 muck it up, defensive minded bully ball, I just don't 777 00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.320 think you're gonna win that game against the Warriors. If 778 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:03.280 you're gonnat the Warriors, it's by getting stops and getting 779 00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.480 out in transition and scoring in the open court. But 780 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.119 as soon as it gets into the half court, the 781 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:14.920 Houston Rockets are in a very big disadvantage. And Jalen Green, 782 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.119 I think might be one of the most overrated players 783 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.880 in the league because I don't think his stuff will 784 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.159 work in the playoffs. I think in our eighty two 785 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.719 game regular season he can get you twenty twenty five points. 786 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.920 But in the postseason, I just say he's too small, 787 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.559 too too weak in order to really thrive in the postseason. 788 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.840 And I think his trajectory he isn't at a point 789 00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:38.320 right now where he can be a winning player in 790 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.559 the playoffs. It's only one game, but he has a 791 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:46.320 lot of bad habits as a score inefficient scorer, and 792 00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:49.559 I worry that. You know, the Houston Rockets are going 793 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:51.559 to be the number two seed and might get swept here. 794 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.360 I don't think it's going to be a sweep. I 795 00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:57.159 think the Warriors are a really good team, and I've 796 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:02.440 put them on my top tier of title contenders. This week. 797 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.960 I just put out an article because if the physicality 798 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.000 is gonna be where it is. They got to muck 799 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.599 up the game. Dylan Brooks has to figure out a 800 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.239 way to not only muck it up, but also be 801 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.800 able to hit a bunch of threes, because if they're 802 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.880 not gonna get good half court offense from those guys, 803 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.320 they just don't have a shot. They really don't. And 804 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:26.440 you said it like Shane Goon's a good player. But 805 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:31.559 in order for this team to be a top tier winning, 806 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.000 you know, number two seed in the Western Conference and 807 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.039 being a team that's gonna win at the highest levels, 808 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.039 they need better offense than what they had yesterday. And 809 00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:45.159 what I will say is this, the Golden State Warriors 810 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:50.239 are great. They are a great team. And still the 811 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:55.559 defense is amazing in the half court. The look the 812 00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:02.119 Rockets half court efficiency the five offensive rating in the 813 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.719 half court sixty five. That's atrocious. That's in the fourth 814 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.199 percentile according to Cleaning the Glass dot Com. You can't 815 00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:13.599 beat the Warriors in the half court. You have to 816 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.199 get turnovers and you have to play up and down 817 00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.480 in the half court, I mean in the open court. 818 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.599 There's no way that this is sustainable for the Houston Rockets. 819 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.639 And I suspect given emy Udoka how he always likes 820 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:29.239 to push the envelope. I suspect they're going to come 821 00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:33.239 out with some extremely hard fouls in game two and 822 00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:37.400 try to set the tone because they can't win without 823 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:39.480 that edge. And I suspect you're going to see a 824 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.360 very physical Emay Doka squad come in game two. 825 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:44.960 Last thing, tom bit of a non sequitor. 826 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.079 But we'll leend on this because I genuinely am just curious. 827 00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:52.320 Remember the Great Dumbin Dummer Comedy nineteen ninety four. 828 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:53.559 You and I were in high. 829 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:58.519 School when when Jim Carrey playing Lloyd Christmas just gently 830 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.920 put his finger on the mouth of Mary to tell 831 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.280 her to stop speaking. 832 00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:04.320 Do you remember that scene? 833 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:05.199 Yes? 834 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:05.920 Every time. 835 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.519 Every time Nico Harrison talks, I just want to gently 836 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.679 walk up and just put my finger over his mouth 837 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.159 and like, buddy, just please stop? 838 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:16.199 What what? What? 839 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:20.079 After everything has happened, and after you know, a couple 840 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.719 of post uh, you know, season media availability uh sessions 841 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.440 with Nico Harrison, where are you at with that entire 842 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.840 dynamic and a fan base that appears out for blood 843 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:33.559 wanting this dude fired? 844 00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:34.920 Where are you at with Dallas Now? 845 00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.239 I kind of feel like we're like watching zeep. Yeah, 846 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.000 you know, like, how can you screwed up this badly? 847 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.800 Like how can you be surrounding yourself with people there? 848 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:51.440 Tim McMahon just had this report today for ESPN. Tim 849 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:55.320 McMahon had this report. I didn't realize this, but they 850 00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:59.119 fired Casey Smith, their longtime head athletic trainer, who says 851 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:03.239 close to Dirk Novitsky and Luka Doncic as anybody like 852 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.159 he is. He is kind of one of the untouchables 853 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.239 in the organization, the head athletic trainer. He's also like 854 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:14.599 leading the trainers Association like he's He's beloved in the 855 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:19.360 NBA community. Nico Harrison fired him and then hired someone 856 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:26.199 in his place who is not certified, Like how do 857 00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:29.800 you do that? How do you fire the most beloved 858 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:34.119 guy in your organization and replace him with an amateur? 859 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.880 And the response that that Tim mcmahnon his reporting found 860 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.239 was well, he he Casey Smith was too negative and 861 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.679 someone told U Tim McMahon, a team source said, Nico 862 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.000 Harrison and I'm paraphrasing here wanted a cheerleader and that's 863 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.880 what he got in this replacement, a yes man. Basically, 864 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.480 it's like this. This sounds like the office. It sounds 865 00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.519 like a workplace comedy the way that this is gone. 866 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.760 And I'm with you. I think that the only way 867 00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.840 that this can bring peace to the Dallas Mavericks is 868 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:19.840 either the owners sell or the owner's clean house top 869 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.840 to bottom. I just don't see it any other way. 870 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.039 It gets worse as the day goes on. So, yeah, 871 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:32.599 I'm with you. When Jim Carrey is that is what 872 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.960 I'm looking I just saw a cliff. I don't know 873 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.480 if this is if this is really what happened, but 874 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.519 Yahoo Sports twitter account just shared a video of Nico 875 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.360 Harrison walking off the podium and getting locked out of 876 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.599 the facility, like he could not open the door from 877 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.559 the press conference. He got locked out, and I'm just like, 878 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.440 this is this is a lampoon. This has gotten to 879 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.639 be a lampoon a front office. And that's when you 880 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.719 know you've gotten to a place where you're you're sitting 881 00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:07.599 here wondering is this are we are we watching like 882 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.360 a comedy at this point, because it is a comedy 883 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:12.280 of errors at this point, and I just I just 884 00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.679 don't see a way out other than to clean house. 885 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.800 Yeah, it's every time he talks. Man, it's awkward and 886 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:20.119 it's not getting better. Tom, appreciate the time, buddy. Where 887 00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:21.199 can people go find your work? 888 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.320 Tom Thefinder dot com? Also check out the Big Number 889 00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:29.360 on Yahoo Sports. Every Thursday I riff with Dan Devine 890 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.719 about a stat that you have to know and we 891 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.440 discuss it at length every Thursday on Yahoo's Sports. Hey, 892 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.840 appreciate it, Spence, and next time maybe we'll get some 893 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:37.639 number forty one. 894 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.280 There we go, love it great. Tom Haberstrow joins us 895 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.039 on a weekly basis. Always appreciate Tom time. The link 896 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.440 to all of his work is up on his Twitter page. 897 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.000 It's just his name at Tom Haberstrow. All we're gonna 898 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.280 switch gears. We're gonna talk to Utah spring football and 899 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:53.159 Auburn commit is on his way to play cornerback for 900 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:53.559 the Utes. 901 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:55.719 We'll do some basketball, some Red Rocks as well. 902 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.920 Courtland Roofing, Utah's reroofing and repair experts with over twenty 903 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.960 years of experience, and my friends Tally and Corey join 904 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.400 me live in studio once again. All right, Corey, we'll 905 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.360 start with you. What's the process that listeners go through? 906 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.639 They call you estimates. What's the process that you guys 907 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.519 go through to help them understand what you guys are about. 908 00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:16.840 Yeah, we want to make the process as easy as 909 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.800 possible for homeowners. 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You know, I told you 980 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.280 I almost got emotional watching Jeff Van Gundy wrestle with 981 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.039 Nikola Jokics for the basketball Well, I almost just got 982 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:28.679 emotional during this intro because I'm I'm very proud of you. 983 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.480 You have redeemed yourself since we were already talking about 984 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.000 dumb and dummer after the faux pas, you know, first 985 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:36.880 bump you you came back strong man. 986 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:37.320 So good job. 987 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.440 It's quite the deep track, uh number forty one. 988 00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.119 I'm all I like it, though, I'm also proud of myself. 989 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:44.199 Do you want to know why was that? 990 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:44.800 So? 991 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:48.119 You see that uncrustable sandwich? I do, It's unopened. 992 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.599 You didn't try to push it down last thirty seconds. 993 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.280 So I went out to speak to our clients who 994 00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:55.840 are in studio to see how they're enjoying their experience. 995 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:56.559 And I came back in. 996 00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:59.199 I looked at the clock, and I'm hungry indeed, and 997 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.480 I wanted to eat my incrustable, but I realized Josh 998 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:04.239 Furlong was on the phone, so I did not open 999 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:06.280 it and tried to, you know, shove it down in 1000 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:06.920 twenty seconds. 1001 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:08.440 So I'm proud of you, and I'm proud of me. 1002 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:08.760 Today. 1003 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.639 I was gonna say, we've went, we've We've kept Josh waiting, 1004 00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:13.039 I think long enough. 1005 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:16.639 Now, Yeah, let's bring him in. Josh Furlong, Happy Monday, buddy. 1006 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:17.119 How are we doing? 1007 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:18.960 I'm doing well. 1008 00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:20.599 I mean, you can get you're incrustable if you want. 1009 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.360 I'm not gonna you know, we can take some time. 1010 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:25.639 You know, Josh, you're a really good radio guest. 1011 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.480 So maybe I'll just ask you a question and then 1012 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:29.800 you pontificate for like five minutes and I'll just eat 1013 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.880 a sandwich. How about that? 1014 00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:32.280 Good? 1015 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:33.119 All right? Brother? 1016 00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.840 Spring football? I saw you up there. The beer looks phenomenal, 1017 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.599 by the way, and look, you know every year Spring game, 1018 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:42.480 it's just as you and I have talked about, it's 1019 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.440 kind of an excuse to talk football, is an excuse 1020 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:49.159 to talk to you. It's but were there anything any 1021 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.920 Josh for long takeaways that you think we're actually real 1022 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:56.239 that Utah fans would be interested in on this Monday. 1023 00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:56.599 Yeah. 1024 00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:59.079 I mean, I think this one was harder than most, 1025 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.760 just simply because they paired it back a ton. I mean, 1026 00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.920 it was a perfect opportunity for Kyle Whittingham defense to 1027 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.679 score points. I mean, I think that works. But I 1028 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.679 mean I think there's definitely things to take away. I 1029 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.840 know there's you know, a lot of players that didn't play, 1030 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.000 especially the frontline days. But I think the biggest question 1031 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.320 in my mind was, you know, what does Devin Dampier 1032 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:20.480 look like? You know, can he run an offense? You 1033 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.159 know in the Big twelve? That kind of stuff? And 1034 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.000 not that we got a bunch of answers from that, 1035 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:29.079 especially as this team started slow. But I think, you know, 1036 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.760 you've got enough of an understanding of what. 1037 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:32.159 He can do. 1038 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:35.199 You can see how he kind of processes information, even 1039 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.440 if it is a vanilla offense, you can kind of 1040 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:38.559 see how he works. 1041 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:39.960 And I think you can leave that. 1042 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:41.679 Feeling optimistic, you know. I mean, I know a lot 1043 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.679 of teams do that coming out of spring, that they 1044 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.960 feel optimistic. But I think just based on where Utah 1045 00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:49.559 was last year and just kind of the down and 1046 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.960 the dumps and everything that the Utah is in. This 1047 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.480 is a great sign of progress, and I think, you know, 1048 00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.239 there's there's a lot of opportunities for Utah. But with 1049 00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.199 that said, there's still some things that you can to 1050 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.039 work on, and most readily available is wide receiver. Wide 1051 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:07.000 receiver needs to catch the ball and there's far too 1052 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.519 many drops for a vanilla type offense to to really 1053 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.199 give a lot of fans optimism. But at the same time, 1054 00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.760 you know, those things happen. You know, those things can 1055 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.760 be corrected. They're not the worst things in the world. 1056 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.760 But I mean, if you can't get those things to work, 1057 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.159 then it's going to be a trouble. But I think 1058 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.400 just looking at stuff, you know, some of the passes 1059 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.960 that Dan Peer made, especially that one to Zach Williams. 1060 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.840 He made a couple to de Luca Calderella, one being 1061 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.480 a touchdown and he's got great touch on the ball. 1062 00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.159 The one to Zach Williams especially, I mean, that was 1063 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.599 perfectly placed. It was a brilliant pass. You know, it 1064 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:43.480 doesn't matter what kind of defense that that was. You know, 1065 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.360 you were able to see some good things from him. 1066 00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.519 Some you know, I left it, you know, filling wanting 1067 00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:51.559 more But at the same time, I think there was 1068 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.920 enough that it kind of what the palette, so to speak, 1069 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.199 and gave Utah fans an idea of what he could be. 1070 00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:58.719 And I think that says a lot for what Utah 1071 00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:00.800 can have is going into the seat of knowing how 1072 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:01.800 bad it was last year. 1073 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:05.119 How tall is Devin you were standing next to him 1074 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.000 for an interview. How tall is Devin damp here? 1075 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:12.760 That's a good question. Five eleven maybe five ten. I 1076 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.000 mean you could push six foot if you have cleats 1077 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:16.840 on his stuff. But yeah, I mean he's not a 1078 00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:18.039 tall guy by any means. 1079 00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.920 I wonder what your confidence level because a lot of 1080 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.159 Devin's damage last year New Mexico was with his legs, 1081 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.280 and you know, the big twelve is going to be 1082 00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:28.800 a step up, and the numbers through the air weren't great, 1083 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.880 you know, the tds and interception ratio with his arm 1084 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:35.519 weren't great. But with what you've seen so far, and 1085 00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.679 with what you have learned in your conversations with his staff, 1086 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.519 how confident are you that he can replicate, replicate, excuse 1087 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.840 me slash improve his production even taking a step up 1088 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:46.559 in competition. 1089 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:49.480 Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of optimism 1090 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.760 about you know, where he can go in terms of 1091 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:55.920 his completion percentage. You know, I got to see a 1092 00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.679 few of that in the spring session where they allowed 1093 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.199 the media in, and then obviously we got the spring game, 1094 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:05.320 and by all accounts, you know, he was sitting his 1095 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.559 receiver as well, he was seeing the targets. 1096 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:07.840 Well. 1097 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.519 You know, he did throw one an interception that I remember, 1098 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:12.400 but I mean it was it was more of a 1099 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.880 defensive play than anything. But I think more than anything, 1100 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.480 based on Kenneth, how this has gone is he has 1101 00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:21.119 a phenomenal offensive line in front of him. And so 1102 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.679 maybe you know, I can't say that I've sat there 1103 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:25.559 and I've watched all of New Mexico's games and the 1104 00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:29.000 tapes and to see how his passes were gone or 1105 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.719 different things that way, but I think you're going to 1106 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.320 see an offensive line that's going to absolutely help him 1107 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.880 give him the time that he needs, give him exactly 1108 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:39.800 you know, kind of the space in the needs Utah 1109 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:41.639 and theory. I mean, you'd have to hope that they 1110 00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:46.119 have a better wide receiver corps than what New Mexico had, 1111 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:49.239 and so I think just the options alone give him 1112 00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.000 the advantage and then you get him the opportunity to 1113 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.039 be in Jason Beck's offense a little bit longer. You know, 1114 00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:57.559 he's got his quarterback coach that's come with him as well. 1115 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.119 You know, I think everything is kind of lending itself 1116 00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.320 to him progressing and making that jump. But you know 1117 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:06.559 it's going to be a completely different ride, you know, 1118 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.599 going against Mountain West defenses versus the Big twelve defenses, 1119 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:11.239 and it's not that he can't make that jump and 1120 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:15.480 he's obviously going against Utah's defense on a weekly basis. 1121 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:17.840 You know, it's it's still TBB right, Like it's real 1122 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.119 leavey for you and I to talk in April and say, oh, yeah, 1123 00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.559 everything's going to be better, But you know, we all 1124 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:25.920 know how this goes that. You know, you can have 1125 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:27.840 a lot of optimism and have a lot of excitement 1126 00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.360 about it, but it has to kind of bear fruit 1127 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:33.840 in the fall. So I think everything is tracking that way. 1128 00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:36.079 I think, you know, everything is good. It's a clear 1129 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:38.039 difference in kind of who he is compared to the 1130 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:39.880 rest of the quarterbacks in that room, and I think 1131 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.280 you know, you have to be optimistic about that and 1132 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.559 know that you know, everything is lending itself that way, 1133 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.480 and even if not, I mean he's able to do enough. 1134 00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:48.960 There's enough assets around him that it's not going to 1135 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:49.760 be the end of the world. 1136 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.119 After bringing me on wrapped up there spring ball, Harrison, 1137 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.840 Taggert and Keel and Marion announced they're hitting the transfer portal. 1138 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.679 And typically when spring ball is over, that's when you 1139 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:05.239 get the news who's moving on, who's staying. And I'm 1140 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:09.480 just wondering, Josh, throughout your conversations with the staff, whether 1141 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.320 or not, you know, if we are planning now for 1142 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.920 potential contributor contributors excuse me, not just fringe guys that 1143 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.199 maybe not even are going to play, But are you 1144 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.079 anticipating in Utah football losing any players over the next 1145 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.119 I think forty eight hours before the window closes. 1146 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:26.960 Yeah, I mean there might be a few. I haven't 1147 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.960 heard of any, you know, impact players necessarily, you know, 1148 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.039 Utah has to cut down its roster and so there's 1149 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:33.639 going to be some of those things where it's either 1150 00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.800 natural attrition or it's Utah kind of saying hey, we're 1151 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.119 not going to have a spot for you once this happens. So, 1152 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:41.840 you know, I wouldn't be surprised if some of that 1153 00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.679 would happen. There's always you know, a guy or two 1154 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.960 out there this this level in the world where you know, 1155 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.400 nil is going to come calling, and maybe there's some 1156 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.480 things out there that that attract someone. But I think 1157 00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.679 by and large, you know, if you take coach with 1158 00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:00.239 by you know, face value, I think he has a 1159 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.719 good handle of of what's going on, and he seems 1160 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:04.800 to think it's not going to be too crazy. Based 1161 00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:06.719 on what I've heard. I also agree with him. You know, 1162 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:09.440 those things change. There's a few players that went into 1163 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.119 the portal and fall that had locked themselves in and 1164 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:14.320 seems like they were going to be a contributor this year, 1165 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:17.440 and then they left. So you know, it's crazy. We've 1166 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:20.239 got till Friday until the portal closes, and so we'll 1167 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.039 see what happens. But I think the core of what 1168 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.400 you've got at Utah is going to be relatively intact. 1169 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:27.519 It's more of just guys maybe looking for opportunities to 1170 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.400 go elsewhere or try to get more money or whatever 1171 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:30.960 that may be. 1172 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:31.920 So we'll see. 1173 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.280 But I don't I don't imagine that we're going to 1174 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:35.559 get that now that I say that we're going to 1175 00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.639 get an influx of people, and you know, we're going 1176 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.079 to look back on this like there and it's given 1177 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:41.400 mess us up. But no, I think it's I think 1178 00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:42.800 it's not going to be too bad. 1179 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:44.519 What about additions. 1180 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.039 I read that there's a cornerback on his way from Auburn. 1181 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:51.960 I know that they had the Micah Hudson kid in 1182 00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:56.039 town as a potential addition as a wide out. So 1183 00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:00.239 any update or inside about potential additions that you talk 1184 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.599 could make prior to the window closing this week? 1185 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:04.199 Yeah, they did. 1186 00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:04.960 They get the J. C. 1187 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.760 Hart kid from from Marburne that he committed this morning, 1188 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:09.800 So that's going to add some depth to the cornerback room. 1189 00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:12.800 They'll continue to look for more pieces just to kind 1190 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:14.480 of have more depth there so that they can get it. 1191 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.559 The Micah Hudson thing was interesting. He actually didn't end 1192 00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:21.239 up visiting. There were some issues that prevented him from coming, 1193 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:24.199 and it sounds like the predictions are that he's going 1194 00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:26.760 to go back to Texas Tech. So I know there 1195 00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.199 was the some coaching staff that we're really interested in 1196 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:30.920 trying to get him, whether they went down there to 1197 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:33.960 talk to him or what. You know, that one seems 1198 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.559 like it's probably out of the way. But Utah is 1199 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.599 going to have to go for a you know, a 1200 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:40.320 high end receiver. They're going to have to put their 1201 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:42.519 name in there, put the name and a hat for 1202 00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:44.559 a lot of these guys to see what they can do. 1203 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.840 I think there was enough shown from what Utah has 1204 00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:50.320 that they'll be okay this season. But if they could 1205 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.960 find at the very minimum one more that can really 1206 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.079 pair with Zach Williams or kind of be the guy himself, 1207 00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:58.719 I think that would help them. You know, that's going 1208 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.280 to be a big emphasis. Utah has been pretty active 1209 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:05.719 in the defensive tackle room transfer portal. They've been They've 1210 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:07.559 been putting out some feelers for a bunch of different 1211 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.360 guys and putting in some offers. So I think you're 1212 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:13.320 going to be active in kind of those three positions mainly. 1213 00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:17.480 But Kyle said on Saturday, they're not necessarily looking for 1214 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.239 a position necessarily. It's more just trying to find guys 1215 00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.440 to improve. So, you know, if there's a guy that 1216 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.639 comes in that's that's you know, a better tight end 1217 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:26.400 or a better quarterback, you know they're not going to 1218 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:29.039 find better than Devin Dampier. But if you can find 1219 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:32.239 somebody to be you know, add more depth or whatever 1220 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.000 that may be. They're gonna they're gonna look at it. 1221 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.320 So those are the primary focus areas. But they're going 1222 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.519 to find anybody that they can that can be contributors, 1223 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:41.159 you know, whether it be this year or down the 1224 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:41.800 down the. 1225 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:46.199 Rum wonder, Josh, if you've heard anything or uncovered anything 1226 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:49.440 about the future of spring football for Utah the forever 1227 00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:53.320 twenty two game for Utah. A lot of major college 1228 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:59.800 football programs, among them Nebraska, Texas, USC, Oklahoma others have 1229 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.840 simply canceled their spring games. They have that it's no 1230 01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:06.679 longer a thing around campuses. And some of these campuses, 1231 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.639 like Oklahoma, at their peak, they would get fifty sixty 1232 01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.880 thousand people at their spring football game. So a lot 1233 01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:16.159 of programs around the country doing away with spring football. 1234 01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:17.559 Do you know what the plan is for the Utes? 1235 01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:18.800 Ye? 1236 01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:20.519 As of right now, it sounds like Utah is still 1237 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.679 is going to plan on going. I know Kyle, he's 1238 01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:24.159 interested in many different options. 1239 01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:25.079 You know. 1240 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.960 The whole Deon Sanders situation of wanting to play other 1241 01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.599 teams or whether it be FCS teams coming in that 1242 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:33.840 intrigues him and that's something that he'd be open to. 1243 01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.280 I think Utah has also kind of put themselves. I 1244 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.559 wouldn't say put them in a box necessarily, but calling 1245 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:42.679 it the twenty two forever game, Frand has discontinues that. 1246 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:44.639 You know, I don't want to say it's a bad book, 1247 01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.079 but I think, you know, this is something that allows 1248 01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.760 people to remember those guys and helps that legacy move on. 1249 01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.480 And I think you know they're going to be continued 1250 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:57.320 to be contrade, excuse me, continually be cre native with 1251 01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.480 how they change their spring. You know, the fact you're 1252 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.280 trying to showcase the offense, emptfense and try to do 1253 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:06.760 different things that way. I think they can keep it 1254 01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:09.760 without giving away too much. I think they've gotten better 1255 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:13.119 at understanding what they can limit so that you're not 1256 01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:15.480 giving too much for opposing teams to kind of find 1257 01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:19.039 guys through the portal or whatever that may be. But 1258 01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:20.719 as of right now, it doesn't sound like there's any 1259 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:24.159 intentions to change it. You know, I think the coaching 1260 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:27.199 staff would prefer to have a closed scrimmage so they 1261 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:29.840 could actually work through stuff that they want to work 1262 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:31.519 through and not feel like they have to water it down. 1263 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.039 They're not a big fan of having to water it 1264 01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:35.840 down as well, but that's kind of the nature of 1265 01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.719 the sport. So I'm sure it'll go through some evolutions, 1266 01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:39.360 but I don't have. 1267 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:39.840 Of right now. 1268 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.239 I haven't heard any plans to change kind of the 1269 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:43.679 current structure of what you touch them. 1270 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.679 One more football question, we'll get a basketball at a 1271 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:49.760 Red Rocks question, and then we'll set you loose, Josh. 1272 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:53.000 You know again, it is April, and it's really hard 1273 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:55.639 to analyze what anything is going to look like come fall. 1274 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:57.800 And I hate to ask you just kind of like 1275 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:02.599 an intangible feel good question. But I have heard Coach 1276 01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:04.880 Wit and a couple of coaches I caught up with 1277 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.519 on Saturday all say the same thing, which is the 1278 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:11.159 energy in the building is better than it has been. 1279 01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.760 It's just more positive than it has been. And that 1280 01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:16.480 shouldn't be taken as a knock on anyone. And I 1281 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.360 think we can all understand the stress the past couple 1282 01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:21.639 of years have taken on the program simply because of 1283 01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:25.079 lack of health and ambiguity around player availability, and then 1284 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:27.960 a really really tough year one in the Big twelve. 1285 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.599 Do you believe them when they say that the energy, 1286 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:32.719 I guess the kids say the vibes are high. Do 1287 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:35.800 you believe the coaches when they say that leading into 1288 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:40.400 the upcoming year two four A into Big twelve play, Yeah. 1289 01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:40.840 Absolutely do. 1290 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:43.320 I mean just being around them there is a completely 1291 01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:48.599 different fill. I felt like leap into the viewing sessions 1292 01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.239 that we had, there was a lot more juice, you know, 1293 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.280 with this team, there was a lot more kind of 1294 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.920 a fall fill where everybody is trying to get better. Immediately, 1295 01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.840 it wasn't you know, we've got this down the road. 1296 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:03.719 Was this matters right now? And so you're getting a 1297 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:06.719 team that obviously feels like they need to be improved, 1298 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.039 but more or less like they're all having fun. You 1299 01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:11.079 can see it in their faces when you talk to them. 1300 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:13.960 They're having fun. That's not to mean that they're you know, 1301 01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:17.440 casual and how they approach things, but they're definitely doing 1302 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:19.400 things in a way that was you know in the 1303 01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:21.960 start contrast to last year. And I think part of 1304 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.960 that is is Utah tried so hard to remain on 1305 01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:27.119 top and so there was a ton of pressure and 1306 01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:29.239 then you kind of started slipping with some things. Guys 1307 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.400 started not feeling like they needed to do certain things 1308 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:34.079 because they've been there before, right your two time reigning 1309 01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:36.599 packed up champions. You know, maybe we don't need to 1310 01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:38.400 listen to this or try as hard. You know, we 1311 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.159 know we're gonna be pick number one. We've added this depth, 1312 01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:42.920 so that naturally means that we're gonna be there, and 1313 01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:45.440 you kind of start believing your own press. I think 1314 01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.400 you kind of starting to see a slip. And so 1315 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:50.679 I think, you know, all the horrible stuff that happened 1316 01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:53.639 for Utah last year really kind of galvanized this team, 1317 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:55.960 even though half of this team wasn't even here. I 1318 01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.239 think that culture and that mindset of you know, we're 1319 01:03:58.239 --> 01:03:59.960 not gonna let this happen again, and we got to 1320 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:03.320 be hungry for what we want has really permeated throughout 1321 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:06.639 the entire team. So I've definitely seen it. The players 1322 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:08.880 have spoken a bunch about it, the coaches have done it. 1323 01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.280 But you're also getting coaches that are different. I mean 1324 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.119 Mark Atuaya, I mean he brings in a whole other 1325 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:18.760 level of intensity and personality that we just didn't get 1326 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:21.760 with previous coaching staffs. Right Like, he's out there on 1327 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:24.559 social media being active, He's trying to showcase kind of 1328 01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:27.519 how the program is. And I think that transcends down 1329 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.039 to the players as well, but they feel like that 1330 01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:32.039 they can beat themselves while still playing at a high 1331 01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.679 level for Utah. So, you know, if the vibes are immaculate, 1332 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.599 we'll call it. It's been really good and I think 1333 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:41.960 things are going well for Utah. And you know, obviously 1334 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.000 we'll have to see what happens when adversity comes. But 1335 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:47.119 I think right now Utah is in a much healthier 1336 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.079 and better place than they have been in the last 1337 01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:49.639 couple of years. 1338 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:53.239 The Memphis Grizzlies beat the Dallas Mavericks on Friday night, 1339 01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:56.519 which means Alex Jensen is now free and clear allocate 1340 01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:59.639 all of his time and energy to his job as. 1341 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:00.480 The head coach for the youth. 1342 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.199 So give us a little bit of an update, Josh. Well, 1343 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:04.840 then I'll ask you about the Red Rocks for a 1344 01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:09.239 set you loose Jakai Howard fourth transfer portal commit an 1345 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:13.039 Auburn kid. I believe they still have seven roster spots 1346 01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.599 available question Mark, and we're still kind of waiting to 1347 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:17.800 hear whether or not there are more additions to the staff. 1348 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.599 So now that Alex is on the ground full time, 1349 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:24.039 let's get an update on Utah men's basketball. 1350 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:24.719 Where are we at with it? 1351 01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:28.199 Yeah, so there are seven spots that they can do. 1352 01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:30.960 But the reality is is that that's the number that's 1353 01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.920 up from from what they've always had. Usually, Utah can 1354 01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:37.840 have thirteen scholarships. With this impending house case, that would 1355 01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:40.440 push it up to fifteen total players. Yeah, you can 1356 01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:43.239 count that they have that with their walk on and stuff. 1357 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:45.840 But you know this is, you know, they've got the 1358 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:47.719 bulk of kind of their roster, so to speak, and 1359 01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:49.800 they're they're doing well with the eight players that they have. 1360 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:55.039 This Jakai Howard kid that just committed from Auburn. Utah 1361 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.159 doing really well with getting those Auburn guys lately in 1362 01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.440 both football and basketball. But he can jump out of 1363 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:03.400 the gym. I mean, he's athletic, he's you know, a 1364 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:07.239 guy that has tremendous upside. It seems like, you know, 1365 01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:09.760 Utah has really kind of identified a type that they 1366 01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:11.440 want to go after. They want to be able to 1367 01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:14.800 run the ball, you know, high upside, get into guard play, 1368 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:20.320 and things have gone well there. You know, I don't 1369 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.880 know that anything necessarily changes drastically because Alex Jensen can 1370 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:28.599 be here more more fully, he entrusted his coaching staff, 1371 01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.119 you know, whether that be Rafael Chilius or anybody else, 1372 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:34.639 to really kind of take the lead in the recruiting front. 1373 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:36.960 And they've done really well even with him not being 1374 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:40.440 here full time. So I don't think things drastically change, 1375 01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:42.440 but I think it now helps maybe whether you be 1376 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:46.159 closing deals or just really having a better understanding of 1377 01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:48.280 kind of where Utah needs to go. But this is 1378 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:50.079 a team that I think, you know, you're starting to 1379 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:52.159 see the pieces, You're starting to see things come together. 1380 01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:54.639 They do need some more depth players, and they do 1381 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:56.480 need some more guys that can kind of sit there, 1382 01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.000 but you have to like the eight players that Utah has. 1383 01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.320 There's a lot of upside. There's a lot of youths 1384 01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:04.440 still there, that's still some experience that that allows Uta 1385 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:07.760 to be able to move forward and grow and at 1386 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:10.480 least make a more competitive jump than maybe in the 1387 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:11.079 year's past. 1388 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:15.039 All right, before I said, you lose rough event for 1389 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:17.639 the Red Rocks after a great start. I mean, it's 1390 01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:22.840 such an incredible streak forty nine straight appearances. But Oklahoma again, 1391 01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:27.440 they've established themselves as the dominant gymnastics program. Utah finishes 1392 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.800 fourth I believe after a really strong start. So how 1393 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:32.760 did this kind of unravel for the Red Rocks? 1394 01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:35.360 Josh, Yeah, this has been. 1395 01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:37.800 An interesting situation for the Red Rocks because you know, 1396 01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:40.800 the last five years they've been in that last day. 1397 01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:43.199 You know, four of those years they finished in third, 1398 01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:45.039 and they really wanted to be able to finish more 1399 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:48.119 than third this year. And based on their semi finals 1400 01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:49.920 of getting the top score out of all the teams, 1401 01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:52.679 they were the real likelihood that Utah could get a championship. 1402 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.679 But for whatever reason, you know, they just kind of 1403 01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.880 crumbled on on Saturday. And you know, they're not massive things, 1404 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:02.960 but in gymnastics, all it takes is one little thing 1405 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:04.960 and then it starts kind of trickling down to others, 1406 01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:07.960 and especially when it's you know, your veteran gymnast, somebody 1407 01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:10.840 like a Grace McCallum who's making mistakes that she traditionally 1408 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.280 doesn't make. It kind of you know, Rocks a lot 1409 01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:16.600 of players or athletes, you know, and where they're they're 1410 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:18.039 trying to come in there and do what they need 1411 01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:20.760 to and you just saw something you know that you 1412 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.199 don't usually see. I don't know what it is, you know, 1413 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:25.760 do you need to bring the phage in and kind 1414 01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.119 of bring out some purses in the dunky or whatever. 1415 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:28.359 I mean. 1416 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:30.119 The fact that they're getting into the top four it 1417 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.399 every year is a remarkable feat, but it's been really 1418 01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:35.199 tough for them to get over the edge and really 1419 01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:37.960 get there. So, you know, I know, this this shock 1420 01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:40.359 to the team. They didn't expect us at all. Carlie 1421 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:42.359 Dochendorff is a great coach and she's been able to 1422 01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:44.800 do really well with his team, and she truly believes 1423 01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:46.640 that she's in the right spot to be able to 1424 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.199 win a championship. But they've got to find kind of 1425 01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:51.479 that mental edge. Maybe it's finding a way to peak 1426 01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:53.159 at a little different time so that you can get 1427 01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.720 there instead of earlier. But you know, it's an unfortunate 1428 01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:58.560 thing for Utah. It's been thirty years since they've won 1429 01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:01.560 their last national championship, and yet they continue to get 1430 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:03.239 there and they're right in the mix every year. It's 1431 01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:05.720 just you know, at this point, it feels like you're 1432 01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:07.960 always the bridesmaid, never the bride. So one of the 1433 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.399 times they're going to potentially get it, but unfortunately just 1434 01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:12.359 fell up short this year. 1435 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.119 Josh, you're the man, appreciate the time today, have a 1436 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:16.479 great week, and we'll get you back soon. 1437 01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:18.159 Okay, sounds good. 1438 01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:20.399 Go get that in prestable and they'll be fine. 1439 01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.279 Oh my mouth is watering, my man, Josh Furlong today 1440 01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:26.079 stops by courtesy of our friends at Advanced Window Products, 1441 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:28.800 where you can get twenty five hundred dollars off when 1442 01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:31.119 you buy ten windows or more. 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There's the 1462 01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:24.279 Tyler Batty Kid, Caleb Etn, Jacob Robinson from Brigham Young. 1463 01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:29.760 There of course is Junior Tafuna, corenne Reed Well, Brent Keithy, 1464 01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:34.039 Caleb loner is getting a lot of attention, Mackai Bernard. 1465 01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:36.279 Uh So we'll get with Ben and then we'll do 1466 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:39.800 a little RSL with Ryan duns At. A tough match 1467 01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:41.880 for the for the lads over the weekend. They lost 1468 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:44.960 to Toronto at home. A red card for Diego Luna 1469 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.239 that has been challenged by the club. They're appealing Diego's 1470 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:51.239 red cards, so hopefully Diego will be able to play 1471 01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:52.359 in San Diego coming. 1472 01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:52.880 Up this weekend. 1473 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.159 But Porter, wouldn't you consider yourself a bit of an outlaw? 1474 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:57.319 Is that fair to say? 1475 01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:01.079 I think, uh, I think that's for others to decide. 1476 01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:03.720 Spencer, I mean, you're related to Jesse James we've been 1477 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:04.319 over this right. 1478 01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.239 Oh and the sun Dance Kid. 1479 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:10.840 Technically they're related through marriage. 1480 01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:14.600 Okay, So you do not consider yourself an outlaw. 1481 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:18.319 I guess outlaw is just someone who does things that 1482 01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:18.960 are illegal. 1483 01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.760 So maybe, oh well, okay. And I like to. 1484 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:24.720 Speed, I like to park illegally. I like to defy 1485 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.880 parking publicly, defy parking police. 1486 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:30.159 Okay, so Porter is a bit of an outlaw. We 1487 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:33.000 do have a new client on the show. They're They're 1488 01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:36.079 They're called Outlawed. Is still an excited to welcome in 1489 01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:38.479 the welcome them in a new partner on the s 1490 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.760 ESPN Sports Network. It's Outlawed Distillery, a homegrown grain to glass, 1491 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:47.479 nitty gritty whiskey, vodka, rum, and moonshine. Wow, moonshine, moonshine 1492 01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:50.399 Distiller out of Monday, Huh Moonshine Distillery right here in 1493 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:54.159 Salt Lake County. 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It's 1506 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:28.000 about an hour and a half and you get to 1507 01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:29.640 try all their spirits and you get to keep a 1508 01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:31.960 shot glass as a souvenir. So get your tour and 1509 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:35.840 tasting booked at outlawdistillery dot com today. They opened in 1510 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:39.039 twenty fifteen as the fourth distillery in the state of Utah. 1511 01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:41.760 Deeply rooted in Utah history and tradition, even the name 1512 01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:46.479 Outlaws inspired by legendary characters such as that Guy's distant 1513 01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:49.680 relative Butch Cassidy born in Beaver, Utah, and the Outlaw Trails, 1514 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.239 which serves as a primary transportation route for many of 1515 01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:56.159 the notorious Wild West Outlaws. The vision for Outlaw Distillery 1516 01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.800 is clear and help show the world that some of 1517 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.319 the best spirits can come from one of the least 1518 01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:03.560 expected places of course here in Utah. So our good 1519 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:06.880 friends at Outlaw Distillery get your tour and tasting booked 1520 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:08.680 at Outlawdistillery dot com today. 1521 01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:09.399 Tell him, I cens you. 1522 01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:11.680 They're gonna hook you up with a shot glass and 1523 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.119 we are going to send somebody, one lucky listener to 1524 01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:18.520 play little golf, a free round of golf to Glenmore. 1525 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.479 So it's our Festival of Tease giveaway. 1526 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:23.840 We are doing it every day this spring, sending you 1527 01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.680 to a different golf course every single day. So we'll 1528 01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:28.840 send you to Glenmore today at eight seven seven three 1529 01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.600 five three zero seven hundred eighty seven seven three five 1530 01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:32.800 three zero seven hundred. 1531 01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.319 Text in you know what? Text in your favorite Outlaw? 1532 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:38.159 There we go of all time? Who's your favorite outlaw 1533 01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:41.000 of all time? Is it Billy the Kid? Porter's this? 1534 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:42.600 You're related to Billy the Kid too? 1535 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:43.600 Or No? I don't think so. 1536 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:45.760 Is it Billy the Kid? Is it Butch Cassidy? Is 1537 01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:48.199 it Jesse James? I don't know that I know any 1538 01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:48.800 other Outlaws? 1539 01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:49.520 Do you? Come on? 1540 01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:51.640 Harvey Logan, the. 1541 01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:53.479 Great Harvey Logan never gets any love. 1542 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:59.000 Kid Curry, Kid Curry flat Nose Curry his cousin. 1543 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:03.239 You're making that up eight seven seven three five three 1544 01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:05.600 zero seven hundred text and your favorite aut porters going 1545 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:08.359 to send you to play golf at Glenmore. So we'll 1546 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:11.399 do a little draft with Ben Solak, will do a 1547 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:16.039 little RSL with Brian Dunseeth. So when it comes to 1548 01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:20.239 the local prospects, you know, it is interesting up at 1549 01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:23.119 the spring game on Saturday. Our guy Britton Covey in 1550 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:26.039 the house, our guy Zach Moss in the house, Devin 1551 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:30.319 Lloyd among others. And of course when those three are present, 1552 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:35.439 it makes you remember often times Utah football, you know, 1553 01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.000 entering draft week seems to have a little bit more 1554 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:40.000 buzz than this group. 1555 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:41.560 Now, Junior Tafuna. 1556 01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:43.880 When you look at some of the draft grades, Porter, Junior, 1557 01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.920 coren A Brandt and Caleb. 1558 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:50.239 And Makai Bernard in the mix as well. 1559 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:53.000 But most of the youths this year have like six 1560 01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:55.800 seven round draft grades. What do you make of the 1561 01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:59.399 potential for you know, Utah football players maybe potentially hearing 1562 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:01.119 their name called than the draft, or you think most 1563 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:02.680 of these guys are undrafted free agents? 1564 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:05.279 Yeah, I mean you're gonna see I would say mostly 1565 01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:08.159 undrafted free agents. I do think that Junior Tafuna gets 1566 01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:13.880 his name called kind of mid draft mid draft range. 1567 01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:18.359 Karennie Reid and Keithy I think have a opportunity to 1568 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:22.560 get drafted as well. There's a there's I think a 1569 01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:25.800 couple fits for bran Keithy where if he's available at 1570 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.079 a certain time, a certain team will pick him. He 1571 01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:31.359 may not be very high up on like the overall 1572 01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:34.520 tight end board specifically because of his injuries and whatnot. 1573 01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:38.840 But if you'll remember going into what would have been 1574 01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:42.039 two seasons ago when we thought bran Keithy might play, 1575 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:46.439 he was the NCAA Division One leader at the tight 1576 01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:50.640 end position in every receiving stat category before he came back, 1577 01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:53.000 before he tried to come back from that knee injury, 1578 01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:56.439 So they kind of know what he's capable of. They 1579 01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:58.159 want to see if you can still do it, because Spence, 1580 01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:02.800 it has been two years now. On the bran Keithy's side, 1581 01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:06.479 if he performs well and looks good in all of 1582 01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:10.279 their workouts, I think he has an opportunity to get drafted. 1583 01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:14.720 Same goes with with karnnie Reid, maybe amid to late 1584 01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:18.199 round pick from there, Dori and singer Mackay Bernard some 1585 01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:21.319 of the other guys you mentioned. They may get some 1586 01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:25.960 undrafted free agent or mini camp calls, but I don't 1587 01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:29.760 necessarily think they'll they'll hear their name on Sunday, unless again, 1588 01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:34.199 there's a super specific fit that that really liked them 1589 01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:35.239 going through the process. 1590 01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:37.279 Britain Covey free agents. 1591 01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:41.279 I will allow Britain Covey to reveal his plans when. 1592 01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:44.920 The time is right. And Zach has one more year 1593 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:45.560 with Cincinnati. 1594 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:50.560 Yeah, obviously, both those guys going through a really tough 1595 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:53.560 year trying to stay healthy, both of them dealing with 1596 01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:59.000 actually somewhat similar situations as far as the nagging injury goes. 1597 01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:04.880 So that's number one with their offseason this year, and 1598 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:07.000 then number two is is, yeah, figuring out what comes 1599 01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:09.520 next for for each of those guys. But Zach is 1600 01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:11.560 a is under contract with the Bengals. He got a 1601 01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:14.720 multi year deal into uh into last offseason, which is 1602 01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:21.199 huge getting into the the the NFL. Uh uh, the 1603 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:25.880 NFL's four year when you get paid after your career. 1604 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:29.119 What's the word, I'm I'm blanking looking for the NFL 1605 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:29.880 pench tension. 1606 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.399 He's uh, he's locked and loaded down. 1607 01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:32.279 You gotta get it, man. 1608 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:35.159 I always, uh, I always feel bad for a guy 1609 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:38.279 Britton Johnson, not Britain Covey, because Britton Johnson was just 1610 01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:41.560 like a couple of months away from getting an NBA 1611 01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.880 pension and unfortunately, uh, you know, but made good money 1612 01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:46.239 overseas and. 1613 01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:47.279 There are stories like that. 1614 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:47.560 You know. 1615 01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:49.600 It's one of the more under talked about because I 1616 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.840 don't think fans give a rip to have pension talk 1617 01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:53.039 on sports soccer radio. 1618 01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.279 But that's uh, I mean, that's a life changing thing. 1619 01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.199 If you can play long enough, if you're ten years 1620 01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:00.359 long enough where suddenly you're paid the rest of life 1621 01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:01.800 has stipend every month to live. 1622 01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:03.399 It's one of the benefits. 1623 01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:07.439 Utah football did land a commit for their twenty twenty 1624 01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:08.119 six class. 1625 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:09.960 Preston Pitts is his name. 1626 01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:13.520 The Utes had a bunch of commits, or I should 1627 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:16.920 say a bunch of prospects in town over the weekend 1628 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:21.159 for that spring game. And the good news about this Monday, 1629 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:23.359 and we'll have to see how the week plays out 1630 01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:27.239 because the transfer portal is open in college football throughout 1631 01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:30.079 the course of the week, and usually what has happened 1632 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:32.560 ever since the transfer portal became a reality of this 1633 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:37.960 sport is that when programs end their spring session, players 1634 01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:40.159 know exactly what sort of hand they've been dealt, whether 1635 01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:42.359 or not they're going to play, whether or not they 1636 01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.239 have received a better offer from different schools. And BYU 1637 01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:48.439 wraps up their spring ball and they hear pretty quickly 1638 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:52.239 that Harrison Taggart, an Oregon transfer as a linebacker, had 1639 01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:54.640 a really good year for Jay Hill's defense last year, 1640 01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:57.000 is getting gone. He's in the transfer portal, as is 1641 01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.560 Keelan Marion, who is a dynamic wide receiver and a 1642 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.840 kick returner as well. So some bad news for BYU today, 1643 01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:06.680 But nothing on the Utah front, which is really good news. Now, 1644 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:11.079 nothing yet, Okay, So coach with Morgan Scalley, Jason Beck, 1645 01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:13.800 they're going to have their exit interviews as the players 1646 01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:16.239 will kind of be on their own for a little 1647 01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:18.479 bit when it comes to springball ending and you know, 1648 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:21.119 kind of the things that the coaching staff is asking 1649 01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:25.039 of them. And then after the exit interviews, potentially we'll 1650 01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:28.840 hear something. But no news in that direction today for 1651 01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:32.800 Utah football, which is really really good. Cooper Flag has 1652 01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:35.359 declared for the NBA Draft. I don't know that anybody 1653 01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:38.399 is surprised about that. Of course, the NBA playoffs roll 1654 01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:40.439 on tonight with a couple of games double header. You're 1655 01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:42.159 going to see the Nicks and the Pistons at MSG, 1656 01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:45.880 and then it is the Nuggets and the Clippers. So 1657 01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.239 the next day that is interesting for Jazz fans will 1658 01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:51.399 be made the twelfth, when we find out the lottery 1659 01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:53.880 order and whether or not that fourteen percent chance for 1660 01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:56.880 the Utah Jazz will bring them the number one overall 1661 01:19:56.880 --> 01:20:00.720 pick and hopefully Cooper flag they cannot fall in further 1662 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:03.720 than five, they will have a top five pick, and 1663 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:05.960 the Jazz as a result of I'm sure nobody was 1664 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:07.520 paying attention to this, and I don't blame you. The 1665 01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:11.399 NBA draft tiebreaker was today and the Jazz learned the 1666 01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:15.239 fate of their two second round picks. So the Jazz 1667 01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:17.399 second round pick this year, which is thirty first, goes 1668 01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:19.520 to Minnesota, and that's part of the goat Bear deal. 1669 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:25.680 So aw's of right now, the Jazz will have the 1670 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:29.840 forty third overall pick in the second round and the 1671 01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:34.039 fifty third overall pick in the second round, So those 1672 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:36.800 are second rounders, you know. In the second round, it's 1673 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.000 hit or miss. Of course, we have had some good 1674 01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:42.279 second round picks around here, namely Paul Millsap, the best 1675 01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:43.520 player in pro basketball. 1676 01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:43.920 Nicolea. 1677 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:46.680 Jokic was the second round pick as well, So we 1678 01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:49.640 know the fate for the Jazz in the second round. 1679 01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:52.399 Now we wait for me the twelve to find out 1680 01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:55.079 what their lottery selection is going to be. And don't forget, 1681 01:20:55.119 --> 01:20:57.920 we're gonna have great draft coverage for you guys that night, myself, 1682 01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:59.960 Bill Riley, Gordy Chase, and Richard Smith. 1683 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:01.880 And there's a chance we're going to be out and 1684 01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:02.680 about on location. 1685 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:04.840 So if you want to watch the Utah Jazz draft, 1686 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.640 hopefully the next superstar for the market, stay tuned for 1687 01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:11.399 more information the NFL Draft week. We are your home 1688 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:14.199 at the NFL Draft here in the markets. 1689 01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:15.359 Not a ton of. 1690 01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:18.000 Local buzz, little local buzz though, But let's bring in 1691 01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:20.079 our next guest, one of my favorites to top football 1692 01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:24.640 with on a Monday afternoon, the rising star himself, young 1693 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:25.760 man Benjamin Solac. 1694 01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:27.479 Ben, Happy Monday, sir, How are you. 1695 01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:29.159 Well you Ben? 1696 01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:30.920 I'm good? So what's this week going to look like 1697 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:31.159 for you? 1698 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.840 I would imagine that you are hitting it hard yeah, yeah. 1699 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:37.159 But it's pretty much anybody who might have a chance 1700 01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.840 to go decently earlier, just kind of right casting into 1701 01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:41.760 the into the dark and hoping you find one more guy. 1702 01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:45.520 And then Thursday and Friday I'll be on for ESPN 1703 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:47.760 on the on the Digital show, on the YouTube show. 1704 01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:50.720 So yeah, so the goals and everybody who goes in 1705 01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:52.479 the first three rounds, we'll see how far I get. 1706 01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:55.159 How how much of a sure thing is cam warded? 1707 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:59.199 One sure thing in terms of willing it happened, is 1708 01:21:59.239 --> 01:21:59.640 a good pick. 1709 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.439 So I'll just ask you both, okay, so like you 1710 01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:06.000 never know what the smoke screen stuff, is that going 1711 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:06.960 to be the pick at one? 1712 01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:08.800 And if so, what's your opinion on it? 1713 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:11.560 Yeah, I think it's definitely worth it. One not much 1714 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:13.399 reason to the times to be playing a game there, 1715 01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:15.960 and they didn't really add a quarterback and croagency and 1716 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.600 so it'd be a foolish bait and switch because they'd 1717 01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:20.880 have no where to throw the ball in twenty twenty five. 1718 01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:23.079 I think it's a good pick. I think certainly if 1719 01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:25.880 cam word we're out in last year's draft classes. Remember 1720 01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:28.600 he declared for last year's class and then rescinded a 1721 01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:31.840 declaration got the nil money transferred to Miami. If you're 1722 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:33.560 ound last year's class, he would not have gone one, 1723 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:34.840 he would not have gone two. It would not have 1724 01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:37.479 gone to break right. I don't think there's a prospect 1725 01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:40.479 of the caliber of Jane Daniels, drake Man, Caleb Williams 1726 01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:43.760 from last year's draft. With that said, quarterback in the 1727 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:45.960 draft is kind of like a weirdly binary thing. You're 1728 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:47.840 either like good enough to be a very early pick, 1729 01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:50.359 or you're not right. You're either like a top five 1730 01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:52.039 guy or somewhere in the second round. You know, we 1731 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:54.520 kind of don't have oh, you know, the twentieth best 1732 01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:56.560 player of the twenty fourth best player being a quarterback. 1733 01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:58.840 You either worth that early pick and you're getting that 1734 01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:01.640 rookie contract, or you aren't. Mccathon Wardy certainly is. I 1735 01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:04.000 think he would have gone around the Pennix McCarthy knicks 1736 01:23:04.119 --> 01:23:06.760 range last season had he come out improved a lot 1737 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:09.520 in Miami. Has a very pro arm, makes a lot 1738 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:11.960 of high difficulty throws. He's got a good amount of 1739 01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:14.199 knucklehead in him. Make some dumb mistakes, but that's not 1740 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:17.279 an uncommon thing for coming out of a rookie quarterback 1741 01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:19.199 coming into the NFL, and coaches know how to work 1742 01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:20.800 around that. So I expect me to be a good proble. 1743 01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:22.439 I'd like to pick some the science is. 1744 01:23:22.359 --> 01:23:23.319 There intrigued at too. 1745 01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:25.520 I've had a number of draft guests that say, the 1746 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:28.239 draft really begins at two after ward? Is off the 1747 01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:30.960 board of one or is it Travis Hunter? What do 1748 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:32.079 you think happens in Cleveland? 1749 01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:35.119 Yeah, at this point, I would be stunned if it's 1750 01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:37.319 not Hunter, And I think it's pretty clear that they 1751 01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:39.600 prefer him. To add Dual Carter. I think it's pretty 1752 01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:41.520 clear that they're willing to take him over any of 1753 01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:43.920 the other quarterbacks in this draft. And so Hunter, to 1754 01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:47.319 me is the expectation. I think teams will call and 1755 01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:49.880 continue to call about number two overall, number three overall, 1756 01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:52.319 just because those aren't quarterback picks and they might want 1757 01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:55.359 to be repositioning and getting one of Travis Hunter Abdul Carter. 1758 01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:57.840 Those two guys are kind of the only two, you know, 1759 01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:01.479 elite prospects, blue chip prospects adjective you want in this 1760 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.199 year's draft, and so you'll continue to hear trade buzz 1761 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:07.039 potentially over the next couple of days. That always kind 1762 01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:09.199 of happens as we get close to Thursday. But I 1763 01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:10.600 think if the Browns say't make. 1764 01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:12.279 The fake, they're going to stay at take hunor does 1765 01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:14.520 that dual Carter then land with the Giants. I mean 1766 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:18.079 they were out in our not market, but our time 1767 01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:21.800 zone watching Shootoor Sanders work out last week. 1768 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:24.600 But what happens at three, I. 1769 01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:26.840 Would expect it to be a bull Carter. It's not 1770 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:29.920 the most perfect fit you ever solved, just because they 1771 01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:32.760 have Brian Burns in the building, they have Taveon Thibodeaux 1772 01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:35.079 in the building. They have bigger needs than the defensive 1773 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:38.000 line in general. But with that said, like I said, 1774 01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.079 I think it's pretty much a top two player class, right. 1775 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:43.399 We talked about just ranking it without ranking the QUARTERBACKSS 1776 01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:45.640 Travis Hunton. Just have Dull Carter. The Dants are gonna 1777 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:47.920 have the position and get one of those two players, 1778 01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:50.039 and then you have a great problem to solve, which 1779 01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:51.239 is how do we get all of our good pass 1780 01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:53.359 rushes off the field. You know, that's a nice problem 1781 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:56.239 to have. Taveon Thibodeau was a first round pick for 1782 01:24:56.279 --> 01:24:58.640 them in twenty two out of Oregon. Coming out on 1783 01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:00.680 this fIF year option has not been picked up yet, 1784 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:03.439 so he's still a tradeable asset as well, even though 1785 01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:04.680 the team wants to say, hey, we have a lot 1786 01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:07.000 more snaps for your young pass rusher, will come take 1787 01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:09.079 him off your hands. And so I expected to be 1788 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:11.680 Carter and then yeah, they if they played Carter Thibodeau 1789 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:14.319 and burns all of them for twenty twenty five, trust me, 1790 01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:16.239 it's not gonna feel like, oh no, we makes it 1791 01:25:16.279 --> 01:25:18.399 the pake. It's gonna feel like, wow, we've got a 1792 01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:21.159 deep stable of passers here that'll help you win games early. 1793 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:22.760 It will certainly help you win games late in the 1794 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:23.439 season as well. 1795 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:26.640 Since I mentioned shador, I swear every guest I've had 1796 01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:28.800 on a top draft is giving me a different answer. 1797 01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:30.720 So what's the Ben Solac take? Where do you think 1798 01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:32.439 should or Sanders Lands? 1799 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:34.920 I think he's going to be drafted somewhere in the 1800 01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:36.680 back half of round one. I think it's gonna be 1801 01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:40.760 taken somewhere in the Teddy Pickett, Teddy Bridgewater, Lamar Jackson, 1802 01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:44.479 Johnny Manzel range right that. Hey, you know, we've kind 1803 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:46.600 of like you a little bit more as maybe an 1804 01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:48.680 early day two guy, but we want the fifthyear option, 1805 01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:50.119 so we're going to trade up to go get you. 1806 01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:53.720 That to me is fair on shred door Sanders. I 1807 01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:55.720 think in the beginning of the draft process, when we 1808 01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:57.840 started talking about him and people said, oh, he's next 1809 01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:00.680 to camp Ward, he's going to be in contention quarterback one, 1810 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:02.840 I thought that was too lofty. And now as we 1811 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:06.119 get excuse me, as we get closer enough day one 1812 01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:08.640 and day two here people say, oh, maybe Jackson Dart 1813 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:10.800 is QB two, Maybe Tyler Shuck is QB two, maybe 1814 01:26:10.840 --> 01:26:13.760 Javen Milroe's QB two. To me, that's too far. Depends 1815 01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:15.720 on too far the other direction. I think Sanders is 1816 01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:18.960 clearly the best, the next best in that bunch, But 1817 01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:22.079 I think Dart, I think Milroe. I think Sanders all 1818 01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:24.520 the chance to go late day one, early day two, 1819 01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:26.159 and I think you'll see if none of the Steelers 1820 01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:28.399 there twenty taking shud door Sanders, and I think you'll 1821 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:30.800 see one of the Browns Giants of Saints trading up 1822 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:32.720 from that early second round to go get him at 1823 01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:33.319 the end a round one. 1824 01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:36.079 We'll just follow up with your opinion on who Sor 1825 01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:38.000 Sanders is as an NFL quarterback. 1826 01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:43.279 I think he can be a acceptable starter for you, right, 1827 01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.479 I've heard, I've heard him compared to Geno Smith. I 1828 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:49.079 don't think that's picture perfect. I think Geno a little 1829 01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:51.920 bit bigger, a little bit more physical, like the pocket 1830 01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:53.760 a little bit more and just in general a little 1831 01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.000 bit more accurate in the downshill throws than Sanders is. 1832 01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:59.359 I think Tua is a little bit better of the comparison. Now, 1833 01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.680 Sanders much better creating the two as much better scrambler. 1834 01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:04.199 He's a little bit like tool with a jet pack 1835 01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:06.079 right two on caffeine, like he could do stuff when 1836 01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:09.600 he moves, you know. But in general, that that quick release, 1837 01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:11.960 that ability to throw his anticipation over the middle of 1838 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.319 the field. Maybe not the best vertical ball thrower because 1839 01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:16.880 your arm kind of dies on you a little bit, 1840 01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.199 but that ability to work your to twenty yards, be 1841 01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:22.720 highly accurate throwers and antsicipation and give your receivers constantly 1842 01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:25.000 chances to make plays on the football in the tight areas. 1843 01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:26.800 I think I think he can be in that range 1844 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:28.840 of a quarterback. And again, you don't really want to 1845 01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:30.920 draft that top ten. You want a higher feeling. But 1846 01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:32.560 if you feel like you're a good offense and you 1847 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.880 have good weapons, and you can plug each other rookie 1848 01:27:34.920 --> 01:27:37.279 contract quarterback, you could do worse than the should or Sanders. 1849 01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:41.279 Jackson Dark played his high school football out in our state, 1850 01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:43.279 and it's been fun to kind of watch him make 1851 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:46.880 his way throughout his career as a collegians. I'll ask 1852 01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:49.279 you kind of the same question, your opinion on who 1853 01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:51.880 he is as a pro. And you referenced a couple 1854 01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:54.960 of landing spots, what's the most likely spot for Jackson Dark? 1855 01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:57.920 Yeah, Jackson darts got that whip like release right. That 1856 01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:00.600 release is a very very fast Aaron Rodgers while making 1857 01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:03.039 him a very good RPO quarterback. He he doesn't need 1858 01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:05.960 to be connected to the ground to zip that ball 1859 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.159 in there, can throw from some weird platforms, and then 1860 01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:10.439 he's a cost son of a gunman. He is tough 1861 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:12.279 as nails. If he needs to hang in the pocket 1862 01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:14.720 for an extra half second, take a big shot together, 1863 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:16.479 let a receiver get open, he will do it every 1864 01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:19.159 single time. So he's a highly competitive player. He has 1865 01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:22.359 them some translatable skills in that ole Miss offense. You 1866 01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:25.840 did not see NFL pros. You did not see NFL 1867 01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:28.119 processing right, Some of that is Dark. Some of that 1868 01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:29.640 is the nature of the offense. So there's a lot 1869 01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:32.319 of projection involved. When we thought about taking Jackson Dart 1870 01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:34.560 from the college level to the NFL level through a 1871 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:36.960 lot of vertical routes that were wide open, right, it 1872 01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:39.239 was one of the highest quarterbacks in terms of rate 1873 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:41.680 of targets wide open down the field. College had an 1874 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:43.800 all of last season. And again, if you can get 1875 01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:46.159 a lot tighter in the NFL, the margins are going 1876 01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:47.640 to get a lot thinner, So can me Dart as 1877 01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:49.640 a project quarterback. Dar's a sort of guy that I 1878 01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:51.479 want to draft and then maybe start in year two 1879 01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:53.680 after he's had a year to activate himself to an 1880 01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:57.079 NFL playbook, long NFL play calls, NFL routes, so on 1881 01:28:57.119 --> 01:28:59.720 and so forth. I think the Saints that I've clearly 1882 01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:02.159 been a little bit more interested in Dart over the 1883 01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:05.000 other teams, and also makes sense for Dart because they 1884 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:07.039 can play Derek Carr for another year if he's healthy, 1885 01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:09.600 they can play Spencer Rattler, who played for them a 1886 01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:12.520 lot last season, for another year and bring Dart along slowly. 1887 01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:14.840 That Kellen Moore offense a lot of quick throws, a 1888 01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:17.359 lot of RPOs. That's where you want Jackson Dart to be, 1889 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:20.000 and so to me, projects player most of the player 1890 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:21.720 that i'd like to take on day two. But if 1891 01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:24.359 he goes that Drew lock range right forty three overall 1892 01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:27.000 early second round pick, that's kind of the quarterback tax 1893 01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:27.479 right there. 1894 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:31.239 In ten years, Shodor Sanders Jackson Dart, who will have 1895 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:32.359 had a better career. 1896 01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:36.479 I would bet on Sanders, but I would personally not 1897 01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:38.399 like to make a bet, you know there at all. 1898 01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:42.000 I think when we start talking about these quarterbacks who 1899 01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:46.840 go later than the top ten, destination is destiny, right, 1900 01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:48.840 Asking that again in two weeks, when I know which 1901 01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:50.600 team each one went to, I'll give you a much 1902 01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:53.880 more confident answer because I'll like the offensive infrastructure, I'll 1903 01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:57.039 like the coaching staff, the opportunity for development, right, kind 1904 01:29:57.039 --> 01:29:58.720 of like, hey, you already know if a quarterback is 1905 01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:01.079 drafted by the Jets, that guy going good. Sorry, sence, 1906 01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:02.960 but like that's just kind of the nature of them, 1907 01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:06.039 of destination being destinied. So right now, I don't feel 1908 01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:08.840 great about making a pick on either one. But if 1909 01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:10.520 you tell me, hey, you know, one of these guys 1910 01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:14.279 gets drafted to be the developmental quarterback in Los Angeles 1911 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:16.520 with the Rams by Matthew Stafford. Yeah, I'm gonna take 1912 01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:18.760 him to be the guy who's going to develop nicely. 1913 01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:21.159 He's got the right bedrock around him to grow. 1914 01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:24.600 Now you're born is well taken. If destination is destiny, 1915 01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:25.720 the Jets are destitute. 1916 01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:26.199 I know that. 1917 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:28.279 But since you brought it up, what do they do 1918 01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:29.920 at seven? What do you think they do? 1919 01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:33.640 So? I think if if armand Membu the right taskle 1920 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:36.960 out of Missouri excuse me, remains on the board, and 1921 01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:40.479 to me, that's the best marriage of need, a team 1922 01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:43.840 fit overall prospect value, that'd be the player that I 1923 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:46.600 would circle for. Then you remember Aaron Glenn and Danner 1924 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:48.640 Engstron and they're both coming from Detroit. What was the 1925 01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:51.199 first thing Detroit did when Dan Campbell got there, Brad 1926 01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:54.279 Holmes got there? Take a tackle, Penny Sewell, we're are 1927 01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:56.640 building this thing from the trenches. So to me, that 1928 01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:59.600 that would be my expectation. Now Membo is becoming a 1929 01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:01.920 hotter and a hotter name for the Raiders at six, 1930 01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:05.039 and I'll tell you if the board falls with Mason 1931 01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:07.960 Graham off the board at five to the Jaguars, Membo 1932 01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:09.600 off the board at six to the Raiders and then 1933 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:12.079 presumably Will Campbell as well, the left half of als. 1934 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:14.199 You go in to the Patriots at four. That board 1935 01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:17.199 sucks for the Jets. That's a really, really, really tough draw. 1936 01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:20.000 You start talking about taking a tight end top ten 1937 01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:23.520 Tyler Warren or Colston Loveland Man, that is lofty for 1938 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:25.520 a tight ending. So talking about the rest of the 1939 01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:28.359 corner class, Will Johnson and j. D. Baron, and those 1940 01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:31.279 are not guys who are traditionally top ten picks. This 1941 01:31:31.399 --> 01:31:33.720 class is not very top heavy. It does not have 1942 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:36.239 a lot of elite talents. So some of these teams 1943 01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:38.399 in the back of the top ten are going to 1944 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:41.239 just be dealt really tough boards because there's gonna be 1945 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:43.760 players who usually go like fifteen o'verrow and that's it. 1946 01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:45.720 And you can see that happening to the Jets. And 1947 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.079 so I like Membo the right tack ont of Missouri 1948 01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:50.560 for them. If he's not there, I would expect effort 1949 01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:52.600 on a trade back because I just don't think the 1950 01:31:52.600 --> 01:31:53.800 board is gonna come nicely to him. 1951 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:56.520 We finally heard from Aaron Rodgers, and thank God for that. 1952 01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:01.479 I wonder Ben, how you digest did the story they 1953 01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:05.000 Aaron told about his meeting with Aaron Glenn, and does 1954 01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:08.000 that shed any insight any light on the approach that 1955 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:09.720 Aaron Glenn is going to take as the head coach 1956 01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:11.079 of the Jets. 1957 01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.640 All I know, Aaron Rodgers complained about having a fly 1958 01:32:14.720 --> 01:32:16.800 to New York on his own dime and then getting stiffed. 1959 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.399 Aaron Rodgers also made like forty five million dollars last year. 1960 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:22.239 I mean it just it falls on such deaf ear 1961 01:32:22.279 --> 01:32:25.039 to me. I to be completely frank, I could not 1962 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:28.239 believe that we were doing it again as a football 1963 01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:31.680 media in a football consuming public. Aaron Rodgers merges from 1964 01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:33.399 the silence to go on the Patmack of the show 1965 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.600 and everybody live tweeting what he says. I couldn't give 1966 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:37.800 two hoots. Aren't we done with this? 1967 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.079 Since he has he has not played well, he has 1968 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:42.319 not shown an interest in doing what is necessary for 1969 01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:44.520 the team that he quarterbacks to play well, and he's 1970 01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:47.079 now refusing to participate in free agency in like a 1971 01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:50.439 normal way, which I understand because, like you know, takes. 1972 01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:51.760 Power of the player's hands. I want to be control 1973 01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:54.600 my own destiny. That's great, go do it over there. 1974 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:57.319 Don't then hop on on your curated television show and 1975 01:32:57.359 --> 01:32:59.439 complain about how people are talking about you. You're the 1976 01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:01.399 one who's doing differently. Of course people are going to 1977 01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:03.600 report on it. What do you think this works? So, 1978 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:08.239 like you know, Rogers for the Steelers, Rogers retiring, I 1979 01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:11.319 don't know and did did did Glenn stiff him in 1980 01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:14.680 the approach? In the free agency conversation all I want 1981 01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:17.479 to come back, maybe, but I can't pull Aaron Glenn 1982 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:19.000 for that. I don't know how anybody in the league 1983 01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:21.479 has patients for Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty five. So 1984 01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:24.039 to me, you know wherever he ends up before he 1985 01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:26.239 ends up Harbor long he plays, however long he plays. 1986 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:28.359 And I'm sure kill Hill inform us of that in 1987 01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:29.039 his own due time. 1988 01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:30.239 Well said. 1989 01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:32.039 And I won't even ask a follow up because I 1990 01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:34.000 think he handled everything I wanted to ask you there. 1991 01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:35.560 Which is which is totally fine. 1992 01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:37.600 I do want to go back to Travis Hunter, though, 1993 01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:41.159 because Andrew Berry, the Browns general manager at the combine 1994 01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:43.319 and said that they view him as quote a receiver 1995 01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:47.680 primarily first, whether it's Cleveland or another team. Are we 1996 01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:51.680 going to see Travis Hunter play legitimate like big time 1997 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:54.560 snaps on both sides of the ball. 1998 01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:57.880 I think you will see it happen in at least 1999 01:33:57.920 --> 01:34:00.399 a few games, because I think that the team that 2000 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:05.199 drafts Travis Hunter will want to entertain the idea and 2001 01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:07.439 support the idea in the way that like you know, 2002 01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:10.039 when you when your ten year old starts doing card magic, 2003 01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:11.560 you're like, yeah, go for it, dude, Like you know, 2004 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:13.359 this is probably not going to become anything, and like 2005 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:15.520 this is a little bit awkward and weird, but like, 2006 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:17.800 you know, kind of we want, you know, we want 2007 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:19.359 to be a positive force for you. Right, So Travis 2008 01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:21.680 Hunter comes into the league. He's a total rookie. He says, 2009 01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:23.239 I can do something that hasn't been done in twenty 2010 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:25.199 five thirty years. All right, man, go for it, and 2011 01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.239 like you're gonna give him some snaps a receiver, give 2012 01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:29.000 him some snaps a corner, and then you're gonna leave 2013 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:30.640 with him in three weeks and say, hey, listen, you know, 2014 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.520 like we've got GPS tracking data says you know, you're 2015 01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:35.079 not moving as fast in the fourth quarter as you 2016 01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:36.800 do otherwise, We're going to try to bring your corner 2017 01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:39.119 steps down. You try to reach a middle ground with him, 2018 01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:42.159 he's very clearly committed to at least giving it an effort, 2019 01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:43.920 and I think you have to. You're going to draft 2020 01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:46.119 the player, you want to keep him mentally engaged, you 2021 01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:49.159 have to at least entertain that effort to some degree. Now, 2022 01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:51.760 the Brown saying they think him as a receiver, to 2023 01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:54.560 me is very it's a smart way to go about it, 2024 01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:58.039 because it's much harder to be a full time receiver 2025 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.760 and move light at corner then it is to be 2026 01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:03.319 a full time corner and moonlight at receiver. Because if 2027 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:05.960 you want to play fifteen fast at receiver, I can 2028 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:08.199 just on the sideline tell you, hey, you know we're 2029 01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:10.359 at third and seven. We're calling this you're running this route. 2030 01:35:10.479 --> 01:35:12.840 Quarterback in the in the in the pocket, in the huddle. 2031 01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:13.279 Excuse me. 2032 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:15.159 You can tell you hey, remember it's an eighteen yard dig. 2033 01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:17.319 You know. It's easy to kind of plug and chug 2034 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:20.039 you there. At receiver at corner, Well, you got to 2035 01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:21.760 know what happens if they motion. You got to know 2036 01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:23.760 what happens if they walk out under center play action, 2037 01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:25.960 was they they move it this way three by one. 2038 01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:28.920 There's so much more that can happen on any given play. 2039 01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:31.880 So if you want a guy to become one position 2040 01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:34.039 full time and you kind of want to discourage him 2041 01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:36.239 from doing the second position. I would put him full 2042 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:38.479 time at receiver and then have him experience some of 2043 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:40.800 the challenges of trying to moonlight at corner as opposed 2044 01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:42.560 to flip flop of it. So I think you're going to 2045 01:35:42.600 --> 01:35:45.279 see Travis Hunter end up being a full time receiver 2046 01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:49.079 for the Browns end of his rookie contract, second year whatever. 2047 01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:50.119 But I think they'll they'll take. 2048 01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:50.439 The tires on. 2049 01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:52.239 I'll see what he looks like as a two way player. 2050 01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:54.119 Who's throwing on the ball, who's going to be undershenter 2051 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:54.680 in Cleveland. 2052 01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:58.039 If they draft Hunter, I would love them to draft 2053 01:35:58.079 --> 01:36:01.760 standers because this is, in my opinion, under talked about 2054 01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:05.520 in the process. The connection between Shador Sanders and Travis 2055 01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:09.760 Hunter for collegiate players is very impressive. Right, These guys 2056 01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:13.119 have been throwing, pitching, and casting each other for four seasons. 2057 01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:17.680 Jackson State, Jacksonville State, excuse me, into Colorado. You know 2058 01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:20.640 we've seen top ten picks a quarterback, sort of top 2059 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:23.399 ten picksure receiver. We watched Tua sort of Jayleen Waddell 2060 01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:26.880 and and Vaque Smiths. It looked nothing like this, right, 2061 01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:29.479 Caleb Williams are not killables seeing Rome do their our 2062 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:32.520 teammates now, they aren't previously, but we've seen these combos 2063 01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:35.439 and in terms of the way they had just roused 2064 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:37.279 from the fly, the way that Shador throws to him 2065 01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:39.800 back shoulder, the way that he trust him in contested situations, 2066 01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:42.439 like they have a very good relationship. So to me, 2067 01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:45.560 if the Browns get Hunter at wide receiver, it would 2068 01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:48.079 move Sanders up my draft board for them. And so 2069 01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:50.720 I like Sanders as a Browns quarterback. They also seem 2070 01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:53.159 like they're interested in shuck as well. The Louisville kid. 2071 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:55.199 I would expect those of the two names I look 2072 01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:55.880 at for Cleveland. 2073 01:36:56.720 --> 01:36:58.800 I will not ask you if Aaron Rodgers will play 2074 01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:00.800 for the Steelers, but I will ask you what their 2075 01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:03.880 situation is under center and how they kind of solve 2076 01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:06.399 this issue. If it's not going to be Aaron, who's 2077 01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:08.119 going to be the quarterback for the Steelers. 2078 01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:10.359 Yeah, I think that they absolutely have to take a 2079 01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:12.680 quarterback with one of their first two picks. Remember no 2080 01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:14.880 second round pick because of the dk met cap trades. 2081 01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:17.000 They have their pick at twenty and then they have 2082 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:18.800 a mid third round or if you don't think the 2083 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:20.720 guy in the first round, I think it's pretty much 2084 01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:23.239 non negotiable. You have to see the guy on day two. 2085 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:25.680 I think that they are taking a long, hard look 2086 01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:27.720 at Sanders because I think a month ago they didn't 2087 01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:29.319 think Sanders was going to get to them a twenty. 2088 01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:31.520 Now it looks like that's a lot more likely. So 2089 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:35.159 to me, I think Sanders is something that they're zeroing 2090 01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:36.920 in on. I'm not confident if they like him or 2091 01:37:36.960 --> 01:37:38.439 dislike them out of the direction, but I think they're 2092 01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:41.039 doing that legwork now and I think that they've you 2093 01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:43.560 seen them engaging Jackson Dark and you see them engage 2094 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:46.199 with Jaln Milrowe as well out of Alabama. Those, I 2095 01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:48.039 think are the three names that I would if someone's 2096 01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:50.199 going to sneak in around one they're in the back half, 2097 01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:52.880 those are the three that I would circle. So I 2098 01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:54.760 think it's going to be a rookie. I think, honestly, 2099 01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:56.600 it's going to be a first round pick at rookie, 2100 01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:58.600 and it's going to be one of those three names. 2101 01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:00.640 If it's not that pick at twenty in they passed. 2102 01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:02.560 Then on day two they got to get active, and 2103 01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:04.039 they got to be willing to trade free for Peck 2104 01:38:04.399 --> 01:38:06.840 still getting you cannot walk in the next season with 2105 01:38:07.039 --> 01:38:11.640 just Mason Rudolph and hoping that you get Aaron Rodgers. 2106 01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:13.319 That seems like an awful team building planned to me. 2107 01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:16.000 Urban Meyer did a zoom call with one of our 2108 01:38:16.039 --> 01:38:20.319 local TV stations and Utah State plays their football just 2109 01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:22.199 off the road in Logan, so he had a front 2110 01:38:22.279 --> 01:38:25.880 row seat to watch Ashton Genty all year and Urban was, 2111 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:29.720 i'll say effusive with his praise for Ashton Genty out 2112 01:38:29.720 --> 01:38:32.039 of Boise State. What's the Ben Solac take on his 2113 01:38:32.119 --> 01:38:33.920 pro potential and where do you think he's drafted. 2114 01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:40.079 Ashton Jenny's an excellent, excellent prospect. I don't think he's 2115 01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:42.159 at the level that Take One Barkley was when he 2116 01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:43.920 came out of Penn State Ezekiel Elliot when he came 2117 01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:46.800 out of Ohio State. Those two players went two and four, respectively. 2118 01:38:47.079 --> 01:38:49.359 But in this draft class, he's certainly one of the 2119 01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:52.079 three four best players in the class and you expect 2120 01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:54.520 him to go top ten. This is everything you want 2121 01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:56.880 in a bag of chips in terms of a running 2122 01:38:56.880 --> 01:38:58.680 back prospect. He's going to do a really good job 2123 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:01.800 of the NFL turning pnutration plays into two yard games, 2124 01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:03.960 turning two yard games into five yard games five or 2125 01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:05.359 games in a ten yard game. You're going to do 2126 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:07.520 exactly you want an early drafted running back to do. 2127 01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:09.800 Be going to take a high, high number of volume, 2128 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:12.199 a lot of snaps, be able to catch the football, 2129 01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:14.800 carry it twenty twenty four times a game, and deliver 2130 01:39:15.479 --> 01:39:17.720 consistent running and then explosive plays as well in the 2131 01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:20.399 open space. So is everything that you want. He's probably 2132 01:39:20.439 --> 01:39:22.159 not going to be the fastest running back in the league, 2133 01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:25.039 but besides that, it's all gravy. So my expectation is 2134 01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:28.680 six to the Raiders, five to the Jaguars, ten to 2135 01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:31.319 the Bears. I would be stunned if he gets outside 2136 01:39:31.319 --> 01:39:33.039 of the top ten, and I'm honestly if he gets 2137 01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:35.880 past six with the Raiders and he's available seven, eight, 2138 01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:37.960 and nine. Would not be surprised to see a team 2139 01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:40.000 trying to tree up in front of the Bears to 2140 01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:42.520 go get the guy, because he'll be viewed then as 2141 01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:45.199 a blue ship player who's falling. Cowboys at twelve want 2142 01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:47.359 to go move up get their future. Zekal Elliott would 2143 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:48.319 not bother me at all. 2144 01:39:49.119 --> 01:39:50.840 With the remaining a few minutes, Ben I have you, 2145 01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:53.079 I will ask you about a couple of teams locally 2146 01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:55.600 that are of interest. And since my producer is a 2147 01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:58.439 lifelong suffering Dallas Cowboys fan, I believe they have ten 2148 01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:01.039 or eleven picks if I remember correct. So what do 2149 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:05.199 you think Dallas needs to come away with as far 2150 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:06.520 as when the draft is complete? 2151 01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:08.119 How do you think they handle their business? 2152 01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:11.199 Yeah? Ten picks of the Cowboys. Six of the ten 2153 01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:13.640 are Round five and later, which to me indicates the 2154 01:40:13.640 --> 01:40:15.119 team that's going to be willing to trade up, that 2155 01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:16.560 is going to be willing to sell some of those 2156 01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:20.159 picks to make moves. Now that they've been most paired 2157 01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:23.319 to wide receivers right, namely Matthew Golden out of Texas, 2158 01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:25.600 been a little bit of Tetero McMillan out of Arizona, 2159 01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:28.319 but I think Golden is chalking out for them as 2160 01:40:28.399 --> 01:40:30.760 wide receiver one. So wide receiver is a big need 2161 01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:33.239 for them. Three down running back is clearly a need, right. 2162 01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:36.840 Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders the only additions to a 2163 01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:39.239 really empty room at this time. Now, it's a good 2164 01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:41.319 class for three down running backs. They don't need to 2165 01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.359 go there round one to go get that player. I 2166 01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:45.720 would say Day two is probably what they're hoping to target, 2167 01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:48.239 and then corner is in need. You know, you have 2168 01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:50.840 a good player in Trayvon DAGs and a good player 2169 01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:53.640 in Deron Bland. Gigs come back from a pretty major injury. 2170 01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:56.319 Drown Bland is entering our contract. Your depth got tested 2171 01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:58.560 in a real bad way last season. They struggled a 2172 01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:01.520 lot to cover and they're ever consistent. Nickel corner Jordan 2173 01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:04.399 Lewis is now Jacksonville Jaguar would be a free agent pick. 2174 01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:06.880 So to me, I've got three corner positions that by 2175 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:08.760 twenty twenty six I might not feel good about any 2176 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:11.640 of them. So I would also expect decently early pick 2177 01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:13.800 on the corner board. Again, I don't think it's gonna 2178 01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:15.279 be around one. I think it's going to be a receiver. 2179 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:17.800 But day two, it's a very good class for corners. 2180 01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:20.159 On Day two, a lot of developmental guys. But excite 2181 01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:21.000 the Cowboys to go there. 2182 01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:23.720 Niners have eleven picks, as you point out of your piece, 2183 01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:25.520 it's a big draft for them. Of course, they have 2184 01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:27.920 to pay their QB, so they've got a lot of holes. 2185 01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:29.760 How do you think San Fran handles this week? 2186 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:33.840 They've just lost so many snaps on the defensive line. 2187 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:36.600 And now with you know, Drey Greenlaw and Tellano Whufanga 2188 01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:39.680 are both gone to Denver, Trivarius Ward to the corner 2189 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:43.239 is left for Indianapolis. They are just bleeding snaps on 2190 01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:45.439 the defensive side of the ball. To me, I'm using 2191 01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:47.560 all eleven picks, not all eleven, but a lot of 2192 01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:50.239 my eleven picks and taking that shotgun approach. Right, I 2193 01:41:50.239 --> 01:41:52.760 want to make a lot of selections and just pour 2194 01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:55.359 those resources onto the defensive side of the ball. I 2195 01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:57.560 want to be able to add multiple pass rushers to 2196 01:41:57.560 --> 01:41:59.359 support Nick Mosa, right, I want to be able to 2197 01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:02.199 get up developments a linebacker behind Fred Warner, a guy 2198 01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:04.680 who takes them outside corner. Snaps it to al Bernardo 2199 01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:08.479 Green like, you need to inundate the roster the defensive 2200 01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:12.880 side with you, because the way you survive Rockberdy Contract 2201 01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:15.680 Part two is by being cheaping up on defense to 2202 01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:17.199 then spend the money on offense. So that to me 2203 01:42:17.239 --> 01:42:17.960 has to be the approach. 2204 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:20.359 Last one, Ben, I'll set you loose after this. I 2205 01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:23.399 know you're busy, but there there's reason for optimism in 2206 01:42:23.479 --> 01:42:25.920 Denver for the first time and quite some time after 2207 01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:29.239 the rookie season of bonicks. And they they've got twenty 2208 01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:32.000 in round one, they've got let's see seven overall picks. 2209 01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:33.600 From what I'm reading here, how do you think Denver 2210 01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:35.199 handles this week before it sets you loose? 2211 01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:38.079 So Denver's and the Rumored is one of the only 2212 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:40.359 teams that's kind of interesting and willing and trading up, 2213 01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:42.119 which I think is I think it's sharp. I think 2214 01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:44.239 it's gonna be an easy year to trade up because 2215 01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:45.920 everybody else wants to trade down, so I think that 2216 01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:48.399 the price is gonna be pretty cheap. They should be 2217 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:52.319 adding splash players on offense. Right, they did a really 2218 01:42:52.439 --> 01:42:56.880 nice job scraping it together and Sean Payton finding clever 2219 01:42:56.920 --> 01:43:00.119 ways to work around, you know, Marvin Nimms Junior and 2220 01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:05.319 Gavanti Williams and Julie mcgloughlin and Adam Troutman and Lucas Kroll. Right, 2221 01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:07.920 they have like just like bodies. Little Jeordan Humphrey just 2222 01:43:08.119 --> 01:43:09.920 did Cortlandt, who was kind of a tenth pole the 2223 01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:12.239 whole offensive operation. And other than that, they were just 2224 01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:15.319 kind of scrounging it together so you have depth. Now 2225 01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:17.640 it's time to have impactful players. Let's that guys who 2226 01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:21.560 cause problems. Right in free agency, they kicked the tires 2227 01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:23.760 and the wide receivers. There was a very bad receiver class, 2228 01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:26.000 and then Evan Ingram was their addition at tight end. 2229 01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:28.680 Two year contract. It's not that big of a financial 2230 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.239 commitment and Ingram is not the playmaker that he used 2231 01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:33.840 to be. So to me, I'm looking at Omarion Hanson, 2232 01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:36.039 the running back out of North Carolina, both the top 2233 01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:38.439 tight ends, Tyler Warren out of Penn State Coastal Lovelant 2234 01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:40.680 of Michigan, and then at the top receivers as well, 2235 01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:43.600 matcw Goldan out of Texas and teder Roe mcmillo of Arizona. 2236 01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:45.159 I'm saying, listen, if I need a trade out, all 2237 01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:49.079 trade up. I want an impactful, three down, scary guy guy. 2238 01:43:49.119 --> 01:43:51.680 When I go to play January football, playoff football, the 2239 01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:54.479 opposing defense has to worry about this dude. I compare 2240 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:56.720 him with Courtland Sun. Become that much more dangerous on 2241 01:43:56.760 --> 01:43:58.479 offense and make a big move, make a big splash, 2242 01:43:58.760 --> 01:44:01.640 go attack it that those offensive knee positions that'd be 2243 01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:02.319 a plan for Denver. 2244 01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:05.119 Ben, you are the man, great stuff. Excited to follow 2245 01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:07.479 your work this week and be good man, keep it up. 2246 01:44:07.479 --> 01:44:09.479 Okay, thank you, take care. 2247 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:11.640 I had the great Ben Solac over DESPN. 2248 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:14.319 That guy has been coming on our show for a 2249 01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:15.560 long long time. 2250 01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:17.640 Ever since he was just a kid in this business. 2251 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:20.560 It's been really fun to watch his stock row and 2252 01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:24.520 he does great work. There aren't a lot of well, 2253 01:44:24.600 --> 01:44:27.239 there isn't a lot, I should say local buzz with 2254 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:32.079 the players available in the draft. You know Utah with 2255 01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:36.680 Junior Tifuna, Karene Reid Brand, Keithy Byu with Tyler Battie, 2256 01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:40.960 kayleb Btn and Jacob Robinson. I've got a mock pulled 2257 01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:43.319 up right now and I don't see any local players 2258 01:44:43.319 --> 01:44:46.760 off this mock board until one ninety nine where kayleb 2259 01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:47.399 Btn is. 2260 01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:49.560 Off the board for the Chargers. So we are your 2261 01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:51.439 home of the NFL Draft in the market. Don't forget. 2262 01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:53.399 It's such a great event and it's a great time 2263 01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:56.920 to be hopeful if you're an NFL fan. Junior Tafuna 2264 01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:59.079 off at two forty eight to the New England Patriots, 2265 01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:02.359 so that to be a sixth round. I believe RSL 2266 01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:05.920 is in San Diego, coming up on Saturday. After another 2267 01:45:06.000 --> 01:45:08.840 loss over the weekend, Always a pleasure to catch up 2268 01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:13.479 with our next guest, RSL original, the Legend himself, Brian 2269 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:15.960 dun Seth. Monday Afternoon, Donny, Happy Monday, buddy. 2270 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:16.399 How are we doing. 2271 01:45:17.079 --> 01:45:19.479 I'm doing well. It's good to see that the word 2272 01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:24.279 legend isn't being used as descriptively as possible. I mean, 2273 01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:27.279 you calling me a legend. I don't think I checked 2274 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:28.159 any of those boxes. 2275 01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:31.359 Man, lies, you are lying on the program. 2276 01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:35.439 My question, Donny, is when somebody, when somebody says, do 2277 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:38.439 you when Don Garber says okay, Brian dun Seth, who 2278 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:41.279 scored the first goal in RSL history, do you correct 2279 01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:42.720 them or do you just let it go? 2280 01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:45.039 I can tell you the christ. 2281 01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:48.880 So I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. 2282 01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:52.560 He was so sensitive. No listen, Hi. I told Jason. 2283 01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:54.239 I was like, do you realize how many times I've 2284 01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:57.439 corrected people over these last twenty years? That you scored 2285 01:45:57.479 --> 01:45:59.479 the first goal, I scored the first home goal. 2286 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:01.680 It was what did you do it today? 2287 01:46:01.720 --> 01:46:02.960 And I was like, you know what. I was just 2288 01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:07.279 going to enjoy a super surreal moment of hosting, you know, 2289 01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:11.000 the Miller group coming in and the commissioner looking over 2290 01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:13.000 at me and saying that, and all like the heads 2291 01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:14.800 at the same time. It was like a movie and 2292 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:18.079 like the all of the people's face has just turned 2293 01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:20.840 towards me, and Garber's looking at me, and I was 2294 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:23.760 just like, yeah, this is this is a movie. This 2295 01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:27.279 is a surreal moment. But yeah, cool. Nonetheless, I ended 2296 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:30.560 up ben milling him later for the shout out. 2297 01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:32.600 I thought it. I thought it was great. I thought 2298 01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:33.039 it was great. 2299 01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:35.680 And look the snapshot of you planting the flag and 2300 01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:38.239 Rice Ecles never gets old, man, every time I see 2301 01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:40.319 that clip of Clint sending in the cross and You're 2302 01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:42.960 getting your head on it and planning the flag. I mean, 2303 01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:46.960 it really was a moment that signaled the arrival of 2304 01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:50.159 this club. And now we're twenty plus years later, which 2305 01:46:50.199 --> 01:46:51.640 is wild that you and I have been doing this 2306 01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:52.479 for as long as we have. 2307 01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:53.960 But let's start with. 2308 01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:56.279 Some of the positive vibes and positive news before we 2309 01:46:56.319 --> 01:46:58.159 get to the tough stuff. And I just wonder how 2310 01:46:58.199 --> 01:47:01.840 you digested the new cycle last week, where the Miller 2311 01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:04.840 family has taken over the controlling stake of ownership of 2312 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:05.800 RSL and the Royals. 2313 01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:07.079 What do you think this means for the group? 2314 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:10.399 Yeah, listen, I think a lot of us, none of 2315 01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:13.600 us were naive and recognizing that Ryan Smith's attention was 2316 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:16.800 a little bit different following the acquisition the Utah Hockey 2317 01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:19.439 Club and we hadn't really seen him tweeting about it 2318 01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:22.520 or talking about We all saw Laker Utah Royals for 2319 01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:24.479 the better part of the year. So when I heard 2320 01:47:24.520 --> 01:47:28.359 the whispers a couple of months ago about the Miller's scale, 2321 01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:32.720 Miller and the company itself interested in the acquisition of 2322 01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:35.000 Real Salt Lake, it checked a lot of boxes. You know, 2323 01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:37.680 I go back to the time when you know your 2324 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:41.119 dad was able to start Real Salt Lake, and when 2325 01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:44.119 Dave's paying five million dollars and we're seeing the expansion 2326 01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.479 fee coming around three fifty to four hundred. Now you 2327 01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:49.199 know there's a lot of money left on the table. 2328 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:52.520 And to see kind of the momentum ship from the 2329 01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:55.680 sale under Deloy Hanson into David Blitzer and Ryan Smith 2330 01:47:56.079 --> 01:47:58.359 and now for David Blitzer to kind of step back 2331 01:47:58.439 --> 01:48:00.600 still have a lot of the sport being controlled to 2332 01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:03.800 soccer control. But similar to his investment, whether he talked 2333 01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:06.760 about Crystal Palace, you talked about Augsburg, you know, you 2334 01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:10.640 talk about in Major League Baseball, NFL, NBA. You know, 2335 01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:13.000 a part of him really does enjoy being a minority 2336 01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:15.960 owner and allowing kind of and I'm of the firm 2337 01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:19.840 belief that having a local owner with primary ownership is 2338 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:23.680 important because there's something and that's that's not to disparage 2339 01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:26.119 anything that David Blitzer and his group has done, because 2340 01:48:26.119 --> 01:48:30.600 it has been extraordinary since the sale and Deloye walking away. 2341 01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:32.880 He's done a great job and a lot of great things, 2342 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:35.680 and the infrastructure in the atmosphere, even he upgrades to 2343 01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:39.479 the stadium. But I do think there's something special about 2344 01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:43.840 having people that understand the market, understand what this city wants, 2345 01:48:43.880 --> 01:48:48.680 and you know, having someone that's fully invested in this 2346 01:48:48.840 --> 01:48:50.560 team is going to be or these teams are going 2347 01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:52.239 to be important because it's not just real sal Lake 2348 01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:55.560 and Utah Royals. It's also real monarchs. It's also the academy, 2349 01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:58.159 you know, it's the infrastructure of the training facility, all 2350 01:48:58.199 --> 01:49:01.159 of those things. So I think it's and as they 2351 01:49:01.159 --> 01:49:04.359 continue to bet in, my hope is sooner rather than 2352 01:49:04.439 --> 01:49:08.119 later we'll see an influx of funds and investments that 2353 01:49:08.199 --> 01:49:11.479 continue the development of the nuclear arms spending in Major 2354 01:49:11.560 --> 01:49:14.079 League soccer, and as I said to you, I think 2355 01:49:14.079 --> 01:49:16.319 a couple of years ago, I think his expansion slows down. 2356 01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:19.439 We're going to see multi billion dollar owners continuing to 2357 01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:23.680 invest in clubs already owned by multi billion dollar owners. 2358 01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:26.439 I wonder, Donny, if you've been able to garner an 2359 01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:30.039 insight or in your conversations, if you understand how the 2360 01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:31.600 dynamic will work. 2361 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:33.359 Between the Blitzer Group and the Miller group. 2362 01:49:33.479 --> 01:49:36.359 Is it is the line of delineation as clear as 2363 01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:39.640 the Miller's handling the business side and Blitzer handling the 2364 01:49:39.640 --> 01:49:41.800 soccer side, or is it a little bit more convoluted 2365 01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:42.039 than that. 2366 01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:45.560 Yeah, I'd assume it's a bit more convoluted. But what 2367 01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:48.560 I would say is that because of the Blitzer sporting 2368 01:49:48.600 --> 01:49:52.800 network specific to soccer has already been in play. There 2369 01:49:52.840 --> 01:49:56.760 is a benefit for the Millers to slowly figure out 2370 01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:58.960 ways how to sorry about my son's game, and they're 2371 01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:00.399 they're good now leading to. 2372 01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:01.880 Know against the city. 2373 01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:04.720 No, I think what it does is it allows the 2374 01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:07.000 Millers to kind of bet in and understand from the 2375 01:50:07.039 --> 01:50:10.239 business side what's happening, but then also having great education 2376 01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:14.399 of what the soccer side is. You know, I am 2377 01:50:14.439 --> 01:50:17.279 of the firm belief that I don't think it would 2378 01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:19.319 be in any way, shape or form a bad thing 2379 01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:23.039 for someone like Dave, you know, date check Its to 2380 01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:25.720 come in and somehow be involved and then allow the 2381 01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:28.520 soccer people to make soccer decisions similar to the success 2382 01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:31.119 that we saw back in two thousand and nine through 2383 01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:34.640 twenty twelve, you know, specific to hiring Guard, hiring Jason, 2384 01:50:34.760 --> 01:50:38.239 hiring Robin, and building out that roster and allowing just 2385 01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:40.560 the soccer to speak for itself, and then you know, 2386 01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:43.800 if there's failures, there's consequence. But yeah, I think we're 2387 01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:45.439 going to see an evolution over the next couple of 2388 01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:49.000 years of what that looks like. You know, I am 2389 01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:51.840 not of the belief having not been in the conversations 2390 01:50:52.159 --> 01:50:54.840 and being in the room to understand completely what this 2391 01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:57.600 all looks like. But in the short term, I think 2392 01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:02.199 there's enough of a of an educated personnel in charge 2393 01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:05.560 right now to allow you know this this quote unquote 2394 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:07.000 handover of power in real time. 2395 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:09.319 One more thing, and then we'll move over to some 2396 01:51:09.399 --> 01:51:12.119 results and some additions that are on the way. And 2397 01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:14.279 hopefully more that we don't know about on the way 2398 01:51:14.319 --> 01:51:16.920 as well. But what has been you know, as the 2399 01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:19.640 kids would say, vibes are high, and you know, the 2400 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:22.159 start of the season has been great, but your your 2401 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:25.600 connections at the club with both RSL and the Royals, 2402 01:51:25.640 --> 01:51:28.159 does it feel like this ownership transition is being met 2403 01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:29.239 with a ton of optimism? 2404 01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:32.319 Yeah, I think it is, I really do. I mean, 2405 01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:35.159 there's no one that's come out publicly and said anything different. 2406 01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:38.840 There's nobody that has mentioned to me and either my 2407 01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:44.520 hosting opportunities or being around the trainings that it speaks 2408 01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:47.760 to anything different. But again, I think you know this 2409 01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:49.880 and I know this. We're not naive. I mean we're dumb, 2410 01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:52.720 We're not naive. I think we've seen the transfer of 2411 01:51:52.760 --> 01:51:56.960 power from different organizations and clubs and different sporting ventures 2412 01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:59.159 that you know, there's always going to be a little 2413 01:51:59.159 --> 01:52:01.760 bit of havoc, a little bit helter skelter, a little 2414 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:05.319 bit of confusion because ultimately we're looking at the variation 2415 01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:10.319 of responsibility. So that's all fine and dandy, but there 2416 01:52:10.359 --> 01:52:12.159 is going to be you know, there's there's going to 2417 01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:14.359 be some time for everyone to kind of figure out 2418 01:52:14.760 --> 01:52:17.600 who ultimately is in charge, who's making the decisions, and 2419 01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:20.920 then you know the responsibility of failure is going to 2420 01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:21.520 be in there as well. 2421 01:52:22.119 --> 01:52:25.359 All right, now, we have to talk about the current 2422 01:52:25.439 --> 01:52:28.239 form of the club, which, if we're hotist, is not good. 2423 01:52:28.319 --> 01:52:31.199 So three wins, six losses, eight goals scored, fourteen a 2424 01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:35.000 loud minus six. The goals allowed category is kind of 2425 01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:38.399 inflated by two really bad performances. But my first question, 2426 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:41.279 in this kind of non secuitar direction that we've gone to, 2427 01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:44.720 what is fair to say about the calls that have 2428 01:52:44.800 --> 01:52:47.920 gone against the club over the past three or four weeks. 2429 01:52:48.920 --> 01:52:51.880 You go back to the FC Dallas Challenge for Peel, 2430 01:52:52.239 --> 01:52:55.199 and anybody that has played at a high enough level 2431 01:52:55.680 --> 01:53:00.000 will tell you that that was a player protecting himself 2432 01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:03.960 in a moment in which Patrickson Delgado was about to 2433 01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:06.279 do him and by doing him, I mean might gonna 2434 01:53:06.279 --> 01:53:08.359 put his foot through his ankle. And I think he 2435 01:53:08.479 --> 01:53:11.479 recognized in that moment he needed to protect himself, and 2436 01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:13.760 I think there was a gray area of a conversation 2437 01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:16.319 that should have been involved. That doesn't just have to 2438 01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:19.239 be that, hey, this is violent conduct, this endangers the 2439 01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:21.920 safety of the opponent. No, this is a guy saying, like, 2440 01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:23.680 you know you're not going to kick me right now, 2441 01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:28.720 I'm going to protect myself. The Daniel Lovett's forearm shiver 2442 01:53:28.840 --> 01:53:30.880 elbow to the face of Marchuk should have been a red. 2443 01:53:32.199 --> 01:53:35.880 I'm not surprised based on the referees' personality and history 2444 01:53:37.039 --> 01:53:41.479 that maybe his arrogance in the moment wasn't open to 2445 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:44.960 the idea of having someone in a booth in the Dallas, 2446 01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:48.279 Texas area send him over to the monitor to overturn 2447 01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:50.840 his call. Love It should have seen a yellow card 2448 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:53.039 right after that for a second yellow challenge at a 2449 01:53:53.039 --> 01:53:58.880 bare minimum. And then finally they're amongst my constituents that 2450 01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:00.880 call games. So this isn't coming from a real Salt 2451 01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:05.239 Lake Homer or for my love for Diego Luna. There's 2452 01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:07.600 not a pundit in the world that would look at 2453 01:54:07.640 --> 01:54:12.239 Diego Luna untangling his leg from Petrosso wrapping him up 2454 01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:14.720 and think that in any way, shape or form, that's 2455 01:54:14.800 --> 01:54:18.720 violent conduct and Spence. I texted our good friend Trey 2456 01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:22.239 Fitzgerald immediately as I was sitting in the Delta Lounge 2457 01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:24.840 in Seattle, flying home from calling the Seattle National Game, 2458 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:26.840 and I said Hey, just let me know when the 2459 01:54:27.159 --> 01:54:29.600 appeal comes through that Diego is going to be available 2460 01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:32.960 for next weekend down in San Diego, because that was 2461 01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:36.239 one of the when you have Drew Fisher's var sending 2462 01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:37.960 you to the monitor with his experience, one of the 2463 01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:43.399 most respected managers in this league, for this. Now it's 2464 01:54:43.399 --> 01:54:48.920 three nilo for this not to be downgraded. For Sergei 2465 01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:51.560 demian Chuk to go over to the monitor, have to 2466 01:54:51.560 --> 01:54:54.680 look at it from four different for you know, maybe 2467 01:54:54.720 --> 01:54:57.720 what two minutes from multiple different angles in any way, 2468 01:54:57.720 --> 01:54:59.920 shape or form to think that that is violent con 2469 01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:04.000 for a player to untangle his leg from a player 2470 01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:06.800 on the ground, it's just lunacy. It's crazy. To me. 2471 01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:10.239 I don't understand it. And the problem that I have 2472 01:55:10.359 --> 01:55:14.359 with this is also double jeopardy since because RSL was 2473 01:55:14.359 --> 01:55:16.479 a better team and that listen, they lost the game, right, 2474 01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:17.239 they gave up the goal. 2475 01:55:17.279 --> 01:55:18.279 They deserve to lose a game. 2476 01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:21.239 That being said, they played down to man for the 2477 01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:23.439 better part of thirty minutes. They were the better team. 2478 01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:25.920 They should have scored multiple goals, they should have come back, 2479 01:55:26.359 --> 01:55:29.159 and now you lose the player in real time, arguably 2480 01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:31.880 one of the most dynamic number ten playmakers not named 2481 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:34.920 Lino Messi. In Major League soccer, you don't have them 2482 01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:36.439 for the better part of thirty minutes. You're playing a 2483 01:55:36.439 --> 01:55:38.000 man down. You don't get the points on the day. 2484 01:55:38.359 --> 01:55:41.960 And now my hope is that we hear the announcement 2485 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:47.239 that he's got oh shy almost just for dang, and 2486 01:55:47.279 --> 01:55:49.479 then we get the announcement that he's going to be 2487 01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:53.880 allowed to play next weekend. I feel like that's incoming. Yeah, 2488 01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:56.640 it's just tough. It's a bitter pill to swallow, and 2489 01:55:56.680 --> 01:55:59.119 all of the small things that are going wrong, a 2490 01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:01.239 lot of it a real So they need to figure out. 2491 01:56:01.720 --> 01:56:05.439 I'm looking for leadership. Who's responsible in terms of pulling 2492 01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:08.680 everybody up by the shorts. Who's the guy theoretically that's 2493 01:56:08.680 --> 01:56:11.800 willing to punch somebody to change the and manufacture the 2494 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:16.000 momentum because right now this team needs something. They've played well, 2495 01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:18.640 but they're not playing well enough, if that makes sense 2496 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:21.119 to UH to be where they need to be in 2497 01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:23.560 the nuclear arms race of the Western Conference playoff. 2498 01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:27.399 Ers, Little Bertie Que Little Bertie, my source at RSL 2499 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:31.000 inform me earlier that the red card has been appealed 2500 01:56:31.720 --> 01:56:34.439 based off of your knowledge of the interworkings of MLS. 2501 01:56:34.479 --> 01:56:36.039 What are the chances that it gets rescinded. 2502 01:56:37.600 --> 01:56:41.960 I could see it being with the with the with 2503 01:56:42.119 --> 01:56:45.760 the three person I don't know which we're calling it, uh, 2504 01:56:46.439 --> 01:56:49.560 the three person panel, if you will. I don't think 2505 01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:53.680 there's anybody that looks at that and says that that's 2506 01:56:53.800 --> 01:56:57.720 a violent conduct worthy red card. I think it is 2507 01:56:58.399 --> 01:57:03.479 a three mil in favor of that appeal going through 2508 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:07.840 and Diego Luna's red card being rescinded and him being 2509 01:57:07.880 --> 01:57:11.439 reinstated for availability in San Diego. And again this is 2510 01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:15.119 me coming from an analyst perspective. I could not believe 2511 01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:16.439 what I was watching in real time. 2512 01:57:17.079 --> 01:57:19.119 I know you alluded to and maybe the answer to 2513 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:21.039 my question is what you already said as far as 2514 01:57:21.039 --> 01:57:23.720 the arrogance of the official, But watching the red card 2515 01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:26.279 in real time, you couldn't really tell because Diego was 2516 01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:28.319 standing over him, and it's like, all right, well, did 2517 01:57:28.359 --> 01:57:30.640 he do something farious on him? 2518 01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:32.439 I thought he must have, you know, I'm watching it. 2519 01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:34.239 I thought he must have stepped on him. Yes, he 2520 01:57:34.319 --> 01:57:36.479 must have stopped on him, right, really should the angle 2521 01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:39.279 from behind and he pulls his leg out and then 2522 01:57:39.319 --> 01:57:41.079 he kind of like leans in like what are you doing? 2523 01:57:41.439 --> 01:57:44.880 It was more of that, not like diego, listen, diego. 2524 01:57:45.079 --> 01:57:48.199 We're all young, dumb, naive at moments like you're talking 2525 01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:49.880 to a guy that almost cost the United States a 2526 01:57:49.920 --> 01:57:52.199 spot in the Olympics because I saw blood red and 2527 01:57:52.279 --> 01:57:54.840 I reacted And it was just in that split second, 2528 01:57:55.319 --> 01:57:59.760 like my Southern California upbringing, like I just I saw red. 2529 01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:03.760 Myth This wasn't that. This was like what, like why 2530 01:58:03.800 --> 01:58:06.640 are you wrapping up my leg? Like let go? Like 2531 01:58:06.760 --> 01:58:08.439 that's what that was to me, right. 2532 01:58:08.279 --> 01:58:11.079 But but my point was in real time, it's like, okay, 2533 01:58:11.159 --> 01:58:13.479 well that looked like it could be something aggressive. Then 2534 01:58:13.520 --> 01:58:16.479 you see the replay and there's nothing there. So my question, 2535 01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:19.720 Donny is how do you watch that replay and come 2536 01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:21.840 to the conclusion that it needed to be read like 2537 01:58:22.199 --> 01:58:23.479 what is that just arrogance? 2538 01:58:23.600 --> 01:58:25.000 Like how do you do that? 2539 01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:28.000 I don't know. I mean, I think maybe maybe the 2540 01:58:28.039 --> 01:58:32.880 more easier conversation is maybe that's why he's not one 2541 01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:35.600 of the consistent reps at the highest level when it 2542 01:58:35.600 --> 01:58:40.600 comes to All Stars playoffs, MLS Cup finals. You know, 2543 01:58:40.640 --> 01:58:43.439 we've got we've got some great referees in pro in 2544 01:58:43.479 --> 01:58:46.119 Major League soccer. I was actually having a conversation with 2545 01:58:46.159 --> 01:58:48.279 one of the referees that Max Rados and I ran 2546 01:58:48.319 --> 01:58:52.279 into while we're up in Seattle. There's some really fantastic referees, 2547 01:58:52.680 --> 01:58:54.600 but as the evolution of the game goes on, we 2548 01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:56.760 forget that some of the best referees are aging out, 2549 01:58:57.720 --> 01:59:00.600 so we're gonna get some younger referees that have worked 2550 01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:03.600 their way through and have deserved opportunities. But again, the 2551 01:59:04.399 --> 01:59:07.079 pace of the game, the speed of play, the decision making, 2552 01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:10.199 and then the influx of you know, you have ego, 2553 01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:14.680 you have arrogance, you have experience, you know, the idea 2554 01:59:14.720 --> 01:59:17.279 of var and the intervention of technology is fantastic. But 2555 01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:19.920 at the same time, there's still a human error and 2556 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:22.000 a lot of these guys you could show them one 2557 01:59:22.079 --> 01:59:25.199 play and you could say red or no, and half 2558 01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:27.319 the room will stay red, half the room will say yellow. 2559 01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:30.800 So there's still an element of human error involved. And 2560 01:59:30.880 --> 01:59:36.079 for me, the game in Nashville and the game against Toronto, 2561 01:59:36.439 --> 01:59:39.079 those were both I don't know if it's arrogainst lack 2562 01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:41.399 of experience, or just maybe self belief in the call, 2563 01:59:41.439 --> 01:59:43.760 but you know, two mistakes that I think should have 2564 01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:44.960 gone in a different direction. 2565 01:59:45.600 --> 01:59:47.640 All right, Doddie, it's getting late early. 2566 01:59:47.960 --> 01:59:50.239 You know, this is a slog this is a marathon, 2567 01:59:50.279 --> 01:59:54.760 this is not a sprint. MLS schedule is intense, and 2568 01:59:54.920 --> 01:59:56.640 you know, I've seen some of the best clubs that 2569 01:59:56.640 --> 01:59:58.760 we've had here get off the horrible starts and some 2570 01:59:58.840 --> 02:00:02.119 of the worst clas we've you know, like good stars 2571 02:00:02.119 --> 02:00:04.279 can lead to bad seasons, bad starts can lead to 2572 02:00:04.319 --> 02:00:07.239 good seasons. It's a roller coaster ride. But through nine 2573 02:00:07.279 --> 02:00:10.479 matches they're eleventh. Ty was Saint Louis on nine points. 2574 02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:14.279 I'll ask you this before we get to some potential editions. 2575 02:00:14.720 --> 02:00:17.520 What have you seen that you've liked? What are they 2576 02:00:17.600 --> 02:00:19.840 doing well as of now, even though the start has 2577 02:00:19.880 --> 02:00:20.439 not been great. 2578 02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:27.279 Oh, you're talking specific to rilsa Lake, correct. Yeah. I 2579 02:00:27.319 --> 02:00:30.359 think Diego Luna playing in the number ten position has 2580 02:00:30.439 --> 02:00:33.640 the pure playmaker with Diego Gonzalveez on the left, has 2581 02:00:33.680 --> 02:00:37.239 afforded both the players the ability to shine. It takes 2582 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:40.600 maybe pressure off the Yogo to be quote unquote one 2583 02:00:40.600 --> 02:00:43.439 of the number ten's, and allows Diego to kind of 2584 02:00:43.479 --> 02:00:45.960 find the game because he's a guy that can absolutely 2585 02:00:46.039 --> 02:00:50.319 kind of sniff out opportunities. I still think of Mecca 2586 02:00:50.359 --> 02:00:54.479 and Ojeeda are really really strong in their partnership. Pelacios 2587 02:00:54.520 --> 02:00:58.720 hasn't shown nothing. Plasco hasn't shown the consistency or performance 2588 02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:02.720 or the the recognizing and critical moments of where he 2589 02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:04.960 needs to be. That may be just a rhythm thing 2590 02:01:05.079 --> 02:01:10.840 or a lack thereof. Haa Haafa has been fantastic in 2591 02:01:10.920 --> 02:01:16.399 goal Cabral. I think he's a fantastic addition. But to 2592 02:01:16.600 --> 02:01:19.319 be quite honest, I think there's more questions than answers. 2593 02:01:19.840 --> 02:01:22.279 I don't know who the best number nine is. I 2594 02:01:22.359 --> 02:01:25.039 really don't know what the true level of Dominic Marchuk is. 2595 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:28.439 I see glimpses, but I don't see any consistency. The 2596 02:01:28.520 --> 02:01:32.239 right back spot is wide open for opportunity. When Kobe 2597 02:01:32.239 --> 02:01:35.199 Henry's available, I think he easily competes for one of 2598 02:01:35.199 --> 02:01:38.279 the starting spots. And whether you're talk about Junka or 2599 02:01:38.359 --> 02:01:41.760 Katrantis at left back, that turned into more of a 2600 02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:45.800 competition than I ever expected to be so based on 2601 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:47.800 the lack of results and the losses, take away all 2602 02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:51.760 the conversations about referees and monumental moments going against we 2603 02:01:51.800 --> 02:01:56.399 also alate, I still think there's more questions than answers. 2604 02:01:56.439 --> 02:02:01.880 I think he probably have competitive wise, roster for roster, 2605 02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:04.600 spot for spot. One of the deepest, if not the 2606 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:07.640 deepest team for Real Salt Lake we've ever seen built. 2607 02:02:08.520 --> 02:02:11.159 But they certainly aren't close to having their difference makers 2608 02:02:11.640 --> 02:02:13.640 even from what we saw last year. This is a 2609 02:02:13.640 --> 02:02:16.399 completely different group than we saw in twenty twenty four. 2610 02:02:16.960 --> 02:02:20.159 And I'm waiting for waiting. I'm waiting for the vocal leaders. 2611 02:02:20.640 --> 02:02:22.720 I'm waiting for the guys to kind of step up 2612 02:02:22.760 --> 02:02:26.720 from a physical standpoint, no nonsense me versus you, I'm 2613 02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:30.560 going to destroy you. And then the technical side of guys, 2614 02:02:30.560 --> 02:02:33.000 they can put away chances because every and I don't 2615 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:35.359 know about you, but every time I watch Real Salt Lake, 2616 02:02:35.479 --> 02:02:39.359 I feel like they they're generating three to four fantastic 2617 02:02:39.439 --> 02:02:42.439 goal scoring moments. And the game against Nashville is a 2618 02:02:42.439 --> 02:02:45.399 perfect example where Mark took before he scores. He should 2619 02:02:45.399 --> 02:02:48.960 have had two or three more, Peel should have had one. 2620 02:02:49.399 --> 02:02:52.159 This team needs to be more clinical and maybe a 2621 02:02:52.159 --> 02:02:55.079 part of this quote unquote lack of investment was a 2622 02:02:55.119 --> 02:02:59.319 byproduct of this ownership turnover. But they got to get 2623 02:02:59.319 --> 02:03:01.960 back on track and by Wednesday, you know, that's the 2624 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:05.399 close of this first window. Hopefully they they can find 2625 02:03:05.439 --> 02:03:07.439 the right guy that makes the most sense. 2626 02:03:07.199 --> 02:03:09.720 For this team, and that's where we'll go next. 2627 02:03:09.760 --> 02:03:11.239 Before I set you loose so you can get back 2628 02:03:11.239 --> 02:03:14.239 to your boys game, Fabricio Romano, who breaks a lot 2629 02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:18.000 of worldwide soccer news, reports that RSL has agreed in 2630 02:03:18.039 --> 02:03:22.800 principle to sign Robert Bozanic, ki striker who has been 2631 02:03:22.880 --> 02:03:23.640 in Portugal. 2632 02:03:23.960 --> 02:03:24.479 I'm donnie. 2633 02:03:24.520 --> 02:03:26.359 I'm not going to tell you I've been grinding on 2634 02:03:26.399 --> 02:03:29.439 Portuguese you know Portuguese soccer tape. I don't know much 2635 02:03:29.479 --> 02:03:32.680 about him, but tell us about this new striker. I'm 2636 02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:34.239 told this should be on the ground of the next 2637 02:03:34.279 --> 02:03:35.159 twenty four hours or so. 2638 02:03:36.039 --> 02:03:40.000 Yeah, I won't pretend to know what his level is. 2639 02:03:40.119 --> 02:03:42.800 I'm aware of him. I know that the conversations have 2640 02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:45.960 been going on for quite some time. I'm confused as 2641 02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:50.479 to why it's taken this long, similar to Diogo Consalvez acquisition, 2642 02:03:50.600 --> 02:03:54.279 when you were able to get Chico Rongo done so soon. Remember, 2643 02:03:54.399 --> 02:03:58.319 the Blitzer group owns either outright or a big part 2644 02:03:58.359 --> 02:04:03.600 of Esterill in portsg so they will be very familiar 2645 02:04:04.560 --> 02:04:06.840 with this player. I know he's a national team player. 2646 02:04:07.439 --> 02:04:10.840 If you look statistically, he's not outrageous in terms of 2647 02:04:10.880 --> 02:04:13.439 scoring goals. I think he's only got a handful of 2648 02:04:13.439 --> 02:04:18.640 goals over the course of the season. Hopefully he's impactful enough. 2649 02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:22.560 It's given him plenty of time to bet in over 2650 02:04:22.600 --> 02:04:25.640 the course of the season, considering we're only nine matchdays in. 2651 02:04:26.680 --> 02:04:29.279 But the question is how much of a different profile 2652 02:04:29.399 --> 02:04:32.800 does he have compared to the two strikers three strikers 2653 02:04:32.800 --> 02:04:37.159 if you include his speeta as well. We'll see, But 2654 02:04:37.479 --> 02:04:39.680 sooner rather than later, let's see what he's made of. 2655 02:04:39.760 --> 02:04:43.479 Get him on the field and hopefully in terms of fitness, sharpness, 2656 02:04:44.399 --> 02:04:47.479 game you know, the game awareness, he's coming in and 2657 02:04:47.520 --> 02:04:49.880 can immediate least step onto the field and you know, 2658 02:04:49.920 --> 02:04:53.279 make an immediate impact. The team certainly needs somebody that 2659 02:04:53.359 --> 02:04:55.600 can finish off some of the great chances that they've 2660 02:04:55.640 --> 02:04:57.880 created so far in the first nine matches. 2661 02:04:57.960 --> 02:04:59.720 Last thing, and I'll set you lose. Are you aware 2662 02:04:59.760 --> 02:04:59.840 of it? 2663 02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:03.640 Any other impending acquisitions additions to the group before the 2664 02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:04.960 window closes on Wednesday? 2665 02:05:05.720 --> 02:05:11.520 No, that's the only one. Oh uh, maybe let's put 2666 02:05:11.520 --> 02:05:16.119 it that way. Maybe there's I've heard some whispers and 2667 02:05:16.319 --> 02:05:19.840 if it does come to fruition. I think it would. 2668 02:05:19.880 --> 02:05:20.199 It would. 2669 02:05:20.239 --> 02:05:23.880 It would certainly help the team in positions that are 2670 02:05:23.960 --> 02:05:27.720 necessary for competition for the starting spot. But yeah, I 2671 02:05:27.720 --> 02:05:29.680 mean the other part of this is, you know, real 2672 02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:32.840 Salt Lake has a certain amount of money available as 2673 02:05:32.840 --> 02:05:35.960 they continue to evolve and make these moves. I'm looking 2674 02:05:35.960 --> 02:05:38.920 at the summer transfer window of how aggressive can they be, 2675 02:05:39.640 --> 02:05:43.119 especially with you know, the Miller's coming in. That's a 2676 02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:44.920 big part of this equation that I think is going 2677 02:05:44.960 --> 02:05:46.880 to be an unknown for all of us is to 2678 02:05:46.920 --> 02:05:50.600 try to understand the true nature of financially what this 2679 02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:53.479 roster is going to look like. Because weekend we are 2680 02:05:53.600 --> 02:05:55.239 you know every month or so that we talk every 2681 02:05:55.239 --> 02:05:59.840 couple of weeks spence where we're constantly watching and trying 2682 02:05:59.840 --> 02:06:02.319 to figure out a way to negotiate what is this 2683 02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:06.680 nuclear arms spending in Major League soccer? Because if you're 2684 02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:08.960 really going to go out and spend money and find 2685 02:06:09.079 --> 02:06:12.760 like the Latte lost in Atlanta or the Kevin Dankees 2686 02:06:12.880 --> 02:06:16.840 in Cincinnati. And I know this is going to sound 2687 02:06:16.880 --> 02:06:22.600 crazy that your your one hits though misses, you're gonna 2688 02:06:22.600 --> 02:06:24.800 be with him at twelve to fifteen million dollar rage 2689 02:06:24.840 --> 02:06:28.880 at this point, so things are significantly different. That's why 2690 02:06:29.359 --> 02:06:34.960 I think having billionaire investors alongside billionaire owners are incredibly 2691 02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:38.319 important for the evolution major lege soccer because you just 2692 02:06:38.319 --> 02:06:39.920 can't afford to sit still anymore. 2693 02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:42.279 Donny, good stuff. We'll let you get back to the game. 2694 02:06:42.319 --> 02:06:43.800 And I appreciate the time, but it'd be good. 2695 02:06:43.800 --> 02:06:47.199 Okay, Yes, Skyline four zero winners over park City up here, 2696 02:06:47.279 --> 02:06:50.079 so a big, big result there. O. 2697 02:06:50.279 --> 02:06:52.920 My god, Bri, I've done seth RSL legend RSL back 2698 02:06:52.960 --> 02:06:55.479 at action against San Diego coming up this weekend. Hopefully 2699 02:06:55.560 --> 02:06:58.800 Diego Luna will be on the pitch. They have appealed 2700 02:06:58.800 --> 02:07:00.720 the red card. We'll see if it's send it before 2701 02:07:00.720 --> 02:07:03.600 we catch a break. My guys, Tally and Corey Liven 2702 02:07:03.680 --> 02:07:08.199 studio from Courtland Roofing on a Monday afternoon. All right, Corey, 2703 02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:10.840 we will start with you. I know we've talked about this, 2704 02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:13.960 but radio is not linear. So why is it important 2705 02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:16.960 if if there's a listener right now that knows they 2706 02:07:16.960 --> 02:07:19.479 have a minor roof issue, why is it important to 2707 02:07:19.479 --> 02:07:21.520 get that issue fixed sooner rather than later. 2708 02:07:21.880 --> 02:07:22.960 Yeah, that's a great question. 2709 02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:26.079 And to start off, if we do do a repair 2710 02:07:27.000 --> 02:07:31.000 we will, uh, we'll basically give back that the cost 2711 02:07:31.039 --> 02:07:33.159 of that repair to do a full roof replacement down 2712 02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:37.720 the road, so we we can help assess the situation. Now, 2713 02:07:37.800 --> 02:07:39.319 we can take a look at the roof, see what 2714 02:07:39.399 --> 02:07:41.439 needs to be done. If there is a repair that 2715 02:07:41.479 --> 02:07:43.079 needs to be done, and then let's say the roof 2716 02:07:43.079 --> 02:07:45.119 still has you know, a year or two of life. 2717 02:07:45.159 --> 02:07:49.239 Will deduct that cost that we charge you for the 2718 02:07:49.319 --> 02:07:51.880 repair towards a full roof replacement down the road. So 2719 02:07:52.359 --> 02:07:54.760 it's just it's just important to get things taken care 2720 02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:57.640 of now so they don't get worse over time. 2721 02:07:57.880 --> 02:08:00.239 Tally, we haven't talked about this, but you offer discount 2722 02:08:00.399 --> 02:08:04.000 for seniors, military, teachers, and first responders as well. 2723 02:08:04.039 --> 02:08:05.520 Talk about that program you guys have. 2724 02:08:05.760 --> 02:08:10.680 Absolutely it's a straight acut across ten percent discount and 2725 02:08:10.760 --> 02:08:13.520 that would even go in addition to the offer that 2726 02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:16.560 we're providing today of the free gutters with any full 2727 02:08:16.640 --> 02:08:17.279 roof replacement. 2728 02:08:17.399 --> 02:08:20.159 So very cool, Very cool, Corey. Let's talk about the process. 2729 02:08:20.239 --> 02:08:22.920 Listener gives you a call today. What happens next? 2730 02:08:23.039 --> 02:08:25.880 Yeah, So first step is we want to schedule a 2731 02:08:25.920 --> 02:08:28.119 time to come meet with the homeowner, take a look 2732 02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:30.960 at the roof, assess the damage or just assess the 2733 02:08:31.039 --> 02:08:33.439 roof and let you know, hey, yeah this roof has 2734 02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:35.399 a couple of years of life, or no, the roof 2735 02:08:35.439 --> 02:08:38.600 needs to be replaced, or if it's just a small repair. 2736 02:08:38.680 --> 02:08:41.720 So we want to assess the roof, give you an estimate, 2737 02:08:42.159 --> 02:08:44.319 and then take and then go over some options with 2738 02:08:44.359 --> 02:08:49.119 you including pricing and payment options and things like that 2739 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:51.880 to make it the most affordable we can possibly make it. 2740 02:08:51.880 --> 02:08:54.640 Tally, peace of mind is important when people are getting 2741 02:08:54.640 --> 02:08:56.600 worked done on their home. You guarantee your work with 2742 02:08:56.680 --> 02:08:58.119 a great warranty. Let's hear about that. 2743 02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:04.960 Absolutely, we use mo Owens Corning products, phenomenal brand with 2744 02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:08.920 their warranty. You have our labor warranty and we're going 2745 02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:11.119 to take care of people as if they were family. 2746 02:09:11.359 --> 02:09:13.840 Very nice, Corey, You guys are in studio because you're 2747 02:09:13.880 --> 02:09:16.239 offering a very special deal. But it doesn't last forever 2748 02:09:16.359 --> 02:09:19.279 because it is a big deal. You're saving listeners thousands 2749 02:09:19.279 --> 02:09:20.399 of dollars. Let's hear about it. 2750 02:09:20.520 --> 02:09:24.239 Yeah, So for today only, we are offering free rain 2751 02:09:24.279 --> 02:09:27.479 gutter replacement when we do a full roof replacement. So 2752 02:09:27.920 --> 02:09:30.760 if we come out look at the roof, and we 2753 02:09:30.840 --> 02:09:32.960 do the we do a full roof replacement. We will 2754 02:09:32.960 --> 02:09:37.000 offer a free rain gutter replacement with brand new five 2755 02:09:37.039 --> 02:09:38.720 inch seamless gutters and down. 2756 02:09:38.479 --> 02:09:41.600 Spouts, literally saving thousands of dollars. Now here's the cool 2757 02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:44.319 thing about this offer. If you're listening driving around time 2758 02:09:44.319 --> 02:09:46.199 making your commute home and you're thinking, yeah, I need 2759 02:09:46.279 --> 02:09:49.560 work done right now, of course, call immediately. But the 2760 02:09:49.600 --> 02:09:52.560 good thing is if you anticipate maybe needing work done 2761 02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:54.279 a couple of weeks, or are you thinking about selling 2762 02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:56.479 your home, if you get a new roof, you're. 2763 02:09:56.319 --> 02:09:58.000 Gonna up the value. You're gonna make more money when 2764 02:09:58.039 --> 02:09:58.680 you sell the house. 2765 02:09:58.720 --> 02:10:00.520 And if you call today and get on the schedule, 2766 02:10:00.880 --> 02:10:03.239 you lock in the deal where you get free rein gutters. 2767 02:10:03.279 --> 02:10:06.399 So either scenario, need work now, need work later, just 2768 02:10:06.439 --> 02:10:08.760 call today and get on the schedule. The number is 2769 02:10:08.840 --> 02:10:11.840 eight oh one six one five five five six zero 2770 02:10:11.960 --> 02:10:15.039 eight oh one six one five five five six zero. 2771 02:10:16.119 --> 02:10:19.439 Could make an argument that the album every Day is 2772 02:10:19.479 --> 02:10:22.600 not one of Dave's best. This track is called so 2773 02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:25.159 Right off the Everyday album in two thousand and one. 2774 02:10:25.199 --> 02:10:26.000 It's not a big deal. 2775 02:10:26.079 --> 02:10:28.800 Did you google search Dave Matthews band, Deep tracks. I 2776 02:10:28.800 --> 02:10:32.119 want you to be honest, you did, didn't you? Maybe 2777 02:10:32.560 --> 02:10:34.359 this is this is this is a deep track. 2778 02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:36.760 I would say it's a deep track, a deep track 2779 02:10:36.800 --> 02:10:39.079 off one of their lesser listen to albums. 2780 02:10:39.079 --> 02:10:42.079 Nonetheless, yeah, it's uh, you know, I think Dave was 2781 02:10:42.119 --> 02:10:44.079 going through some stuff. I think my guy was going 2782 02:10:44.119 --> 02:10:46.560 through rough time in the early two thousands and so 2783 02:10:47.199 --> 02:10:49.520 the song were we all? Well sure, I mean two 2784 02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:52.560 thousand and one, you know, rough year for a few reasons. Uh, 2785 02:10:52.600 --> 02:10:55.479 the song every Day did come off the album every Day, 2786 02:10:55.479 --> 02:10:57.359 which is one of his hits in a great song live, 2787 02:10:57.399 --> 02:10:59.760 but so right, deep track off an album not a 2788 02:10:59.800 --> 02:11:00.720 lot of people know about. 2789 02:11:00.920 --> 02:11:04.319 I cried a lot and one I was a small, 2790 02:11:04.319 --> 02:11:05.319 small child. 2791 02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:07.600 Well, there was a lot of reasons to cry in 2792 02:11:07.640 --> 02:11:09.479 two thousand and one. Maybe we don't need to get 2793 02:11:09.479 --> 02:11:09.720 into that. 2794 02:11:09.760 --> 02:11:11.640 How old? How old were you in two thousand and one? 2795 02:11:11.720 --> 02:11:11.960 Seven? 2796 02:11:12.279 --> 02:11:12.720 All right? 2797 02:11:13.199 --> 02:11:13.439 Six? 2798 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:13.880 Yeah? 2799 02:11:13.920 --> 02:11:14.479 Six or seven? 2800 02:11:14.640 --> 02:11:18.199 Okay? Fair enough? So Little Dave Dan the program, all right. 2801 02:11:18.479 --> 02:11:22.600 NBA Playoffs double header tonight, NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs four 2802 02:11:22.640 --> 02:11:23.359 games tonight. 2803 02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:26.079 So it's a fun time of year. Of course. 2804 02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:29.399 Stanley Cup Playoffs are a ton of fun if you 2805 02:11:29.439 --> 02:11:31.920 are new to golf, if you are new to hockey, 2806 02:11:32.199 --> 02:11:34.279 they do not have Stanley Cup playoffs in golf, but 2807 02:11:34.279 --> 02:11:36.640 they do have the RBC herotage Justin Thomas back in 2808 02:11:36.680 --> 02:11:39.279 the winner circle. But if you are new to hockey 2809 02:11:39.319 --> 02:11:41.359 in the market, I would encourage you to check out 2810 02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:45.000 some of this action. It is intense, like the overtime 2811 02:11:45.279 --> 02:11:48.119 games in Stanley Cup playoffs are wildly intense. And I 2812 02:11:48.119 --> 02:11:52.119 gotta say the early returns of NBA basketball in the 2813 02:11:52.159 --> 02:11:54.520 postseason has been a lot of fun. It sounds silly, 2814 02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:57.239 but when basketball players actually care about playing. 2815 02:11:57.000 --> 02:11:59.880 Basketball, the sport is really cool. So there you go. 2816 02:12:00.279 --> 02:12:03.159 Fun stuff today with the Utah football spring game over 2817 02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:06.199 the weekend, the transfer portal open in both college and 2818 02:12:06.880 --> 02:12:09.640 I should say both college basketball and college football. We 2819 02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:12.279 are expecting and getting some information on the house first 2820 02:12:12.359 --> 02:12:15.359 NCAA settlement that will provide a little bit of clarity 2821 02:12:15.920 --> 02:12:19.359 on what college football administrators kind of have their disposal 2822 02:12:19.439 --> 02:12:20.920 to try to build out programs. 2823 02:12:21.399 --> 02:12:22.359 So a lot going on. 2824 02:12:22.560 --> 02:12:26.800 RSL is expected to welcome in their new striker, Robert Bosinika, 2825 02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:28.760 over the next forty eight hours and hopefully he'll be 2826 02:12:28.800 --> 02:12:32.600 able to alleviate some of the issues that have been 2827 02:12:32.640 --> 02:12:35.479 plaguing the club, and they just cannot score goals. And 2828 02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:37.800 if you're not a soccer fan, here's a little soccer analysis. 2829 02:12:37.880 --> 02:12:40.279 If you can't score goals, you're not going to win games. Boom, 2830 02:12:40.520 --> 02:12:43.760 there you go. So ours will be back in action 2831 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:47.840 coming up on Saturday against San Diego. So we do 2832 02:12:47.920 --> 02:12:50.359 have a little soccer that we'll discuss on the program too. 2833 02:12:51.000 --> 02:12:54.560 Of course, the ownership transition complete last week as the 2834 02:12:54.560 --> 02:12:58.000 Miller family have taken over the controlling ownership interests of 2835 02:12:58.079 --> 02:13:01.319 Rayastal Lake and the Utah Royals as well. NFL Draft week, 2836 02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:04.640 of course, the local prospects will be tracking them. Really 2837 02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:06.720 for the Utes, I think the highest rate of prospect 2838 02:13:06.760 --> 02:13:10.039 is junior Junior Tafuna Karen Karena Reid is still trying 2839 02:13:10.039 --> 02:13:12.880 to get healthy. Bran Keith, you once upon a time, 2840 02:13:13.000 --> 02:13:15.199 was thought to be the better NFL tight end prospect 2841 02:13:15.199 --> 02:13:18.880 before uh before Dalton kind of took over, Daldon Kincaid, 2842 02:13:18.920 --> 02:13:21.920 Caleb Loner getting some intrigue, McKay Bernard on the b 2843 02:13:22.119 --> 02:13:25.159 YU side of things, Tyler Batty, Klee, Btn and Jacob 2844 02:13:25.239 --> 02:13:27.479 Robinson are the names to watch out for. But it 2845 02:13:27.560 --> 02:13:30.680 is a fun week as far as the NFL Draft goes, 2846 02:13:31.960 --> 02:13:33.760 going home to watch watch our knicks. 2847 02:13:34.319 --> 02:13:38.920 Yeah right, that's uh, that's top of mind. Today was 2848 02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:42.720 a little I wouldn't say distracted, that would be a disservice, 2849 02:13:42.760 --> 02:13:46.479 a disrespect to my family. Uh, but busy with Easter 2850 02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:48.960 stuff over the weekend, so kind of I played catch 2851 02:13:49.039 --> 02:13:52.119 up on a lot of the hoops. Uh, you know, weeknight, 2852 02:13:52.279 --> 02:13:56.680 gonna settle in and watch good show rsl Utes, Jazz, 2853 02:13:57.399 --> 02:14:01.239 We talked Outlaws, we talked Dave Matthews band. So very 2854 02:14:01.239 --> 02:14:02.800 full Monday. Yeah, I'm happy about it. 2855 02:14:02.920 --> 02:14:03.720 Very full Monday. 2856 02:14:03.760 --> 02:14:05.680 Indeed, all right, before we get out of here, we're 2857 02:14:05.680 --> 02:14:08.159 gonna do a little best of and then it's time 2858 02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:09.720 for the Clippers and the Nuggets. You can listen to 2859 02:14:09.840 --> 02:14:12.119 a game on the radio station Porter What Comes Our 2860 02:14:12.159 --> 02:14:14.479 Way on a Tuesday edition of the program. 2861 02:14:14.520 --> 02:14:17.319 On a Tuesday edition of The Drive, Tony Jones stops 2862 02:14:17.319 --> 02:14:19.600 by to talk to some jazz NBA action. Of course, 2863 02:14:19.760 --> 02:14:22.680 he'll be covering the Nuggets throughout their postseason run. Tim 2864 02:14:22.760 --> 02:14:27.199 McMahon talking to MBA on the Daily Assist a whole 2865 02:14:27.239 --> 02:14:29.920 hour with Richard Smitty Smith. So we're diving deep into 2866 02:14:29.960 --> 02:14:32.600 the NBA Playoffs tomorrow to start the show, and then 2867 02:14:32.840 --> 02:14:35.960 catch up with John Kimball for some RSL to finish 2868 02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:38.359 the show. A busy week for them in their own right. 2869 02:14:38.399 --> 02:14:40.520 All right, some good stuff and of course we will 2870 02:14:40.560 --> 02:14:43.880 get you ready for the NFL Draft on Thursday, Green Bay, 2871 02:14:44.000 --> 02:14:46.720 lambeau Field, so stay tuned for that. Well, say good 2872 02:14:46.760 --> 02:14:49.479 night special thank you today to Tom haberstro to Josh Furlong, 2873 02:14:49.520 --> 02:14:52.359 Ben Solak and Brian dun Seth for any of this 2874 02:14:52.479 --> 02:14:55.479 sound you missed today. Website is ESPN seven hundred sports 2875 02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:57.640 dot com. Make sure to download our mobile app and 2876 02:14:57.680 --> 02:15:00.359 take us on the go. The ESPN S one hundred 2877 02:15:00.359 --> 02:15:02.359 app is available in the App Store the Google play 2878 02:15:02.359 --> 02:15:04.560 Store for free. 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We'll talk to you 2890 02:15:29.239 --> 02:15:31.640 on a Tuesday edition of the program, and as always, 2891 02:15:31.680 --> 02:15:34.279 you can find it right here on ESPN seven hundred 2892 02:15:34.319 --> 02:15:36.439 ninety TWOEFM. We are proud to be part of Utah's 2893 02:15:36.640 --> 02:15:38.000 ESPN Radio network.