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that if we had just said at the beginning of

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this podcast, movies, you would have been able to do

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Speaker 2: Us, Yes, that's actually so.

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Speaker 3: Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask

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what you can do for your country, mister Gorbachev, tear

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Speaker 2: It's the Ricochet Podcast with Charles C. W. Cook and

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Stephen Hayward. Today our guest is h R. McMasters to

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talk about the world, the war, then everything else. Philet'

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Speaker 3: Voted thirteen times to open government. Back up Senator Schumer,

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my colleague eagerly, greedily wanted to become the face of

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the shutdown the American people and American people's opinion. Senator

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Speaker 2: It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred and sixty three.

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I'm James, Alex and Clammy Minnesota with Stephen Hayward and

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Sunny California and Charles C. W. Cook in Florida. Who

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knows what the weather is there? Who cares? Let's skip

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the throat clearing palaveror with which we usually commenced our

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shows and go straight to our guest. H. R. McMaster

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retired with Tenner General and former Assistants to the US

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the Hoover Institution, where he lectures and hosts the series

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Today's Battlegrounds and Good Fellows. Is the author of multiple

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Speaker 4: Welcome sir, Hey, it's great to be with you, guys,

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Speaker 2: You know, we've got a whole bunch of questions. But

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wouldn't have thought this would be the case two years ago,

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but it is Ukraine. A lot of people are saying

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that we're looking at a seemingly two different worlds here,

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one in which Russia, by throwing more and more and

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more untrained conscripts into the meat grinders, actually making an

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inky inky out incremental progress, while at the same time

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Ukraine has engaged in a massive and brilliantly categorized and

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strategized destruction of the oil, energy, infrastructure, and transportation sector.

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Speaker 4: What do you what.

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Speaker 2: Do you see going on there? And what do you

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capabilities in a very smart way. They're going after military facilities.

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uh from from Ukraine. Uh and these deep strike targets

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on refiners is kind of the right target set because

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them from space right and and uh and so they've

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in the in the funnel here for for Russia. And

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and they want to bring the war home to Russians

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and way that you know, it doesn't really know place

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the Russian people at risk, like the Russians are placed

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in Ukrainians at risk with these massive onslaughts against you know,

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schools and and apartment buildings, as well as Ukraine's infrastructure,

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are gas lines, you know, in Moscow. And so this

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narrative of hey, this is just a special military operation, well, hey,

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it's a special military operation during which Russia has incurred

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Speaker 5: Hr' Steve Hayward out in California, And I distinctly recall

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the Middle East, of course, and Ukraine, and I said,

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a regime that has just destroyed that country between him

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the last election, seventy percent of Venezuela's voting to get

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rid of that jackass. And you don't. But he plug

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the job and that's that. Or do you expect that

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there's more robust and kinetic action as they say in

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support of this again, who knows? But what what should

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Speaker 4: Yeah, James, well, you know what I'd like to see

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the objectives just to waken Maduro and to weaken his

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ability to support you know, Nicaragua and Cuba, you know

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to dry up his cash flow, which are seeing part

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of that now, But there could be other actions associated

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certain certainly financial actions and so forth. I think also

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some of these guys. Hey, you know, you're on a

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sinking ship. You know, if you want to get off

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the ship, you can get off the ship and maybe

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encourage some kind of revolt of the elites within within

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Speaker 3: You know.

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people see Maduro as a patron but he's the one

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who's destroying the country.

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a comprehensive approach to this. And and I think the

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goal should be, you know, to weaken the regime, but

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want to preface it by saying that I never get

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tired of telling people that your Dereliction of Duty book

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is one of the five best books ever written.

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Speaker 6: About the Vietnam War.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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lessons from your time with President than Trump in the

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of the persons who's controversial is the Defense Secretary, but

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Speaker 6: Right, So, there's two forms of this question.

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civil and military relations that you laid out in your

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great book from almost thirty years ago, or if you

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: I am concerned about about dragging the military into partisan politics.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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the president wears. You know, there should be no selling

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useful word. But what I'm really talking about is is

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an approach in the military where they're advocating for equality

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of outcome instead of equality of opportunity. Uh, the associated

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their commitment to the mission and to one another, which

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the Secretary of War now victory exits. I think he

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generals and admirals. Hey, I'm telling you, Stephen, I don't

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in the White House, they're gone. Hey, you know, Prisident

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to the combatant commanders in the serchiefs. So, hey, I

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think that there's a to misunderstand. And I worry about

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label the military extremist, which is not. And I worry

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about the far right or some people on the far

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right trying to label the military as as woke. Just

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keep the military out of this nonsense. You know what

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what has afflicted our society. We don't want that coming

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in coming into the military. You know, a lot of

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what he's doing though, in terms of revert you know,

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you know, reinstating standards, you know, I mean, it got ridiculous.

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I mean there were people who were declaring themselves you know,

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some Norse religion, you know, so they could so they

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could so they could grow a beard, you know. And

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and and I'll tell you that the women soldiers, I know,

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they want general gender neutral standards and tough standing. They

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wanted the standards to drop, right. So so I think

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what the bid administration did in many ways was a

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disservice uh to women service uh uh to service women

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and and uh and and to minority leaders as well.

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clear that you want a quality of outcome, what happens

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is when the best qualified person who happens to be

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a member of minority group gets gets promoted. Oh, people

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look might look at him or like, oh, well, yeah,

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it's just it's terrible. It's destructive to cohesion, and it

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had to end. I just don't want the cure to

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be worse than the disease, you know. And and uh

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and then the other thing that bothered me, I guess

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a little bit was this idea that when you're fighting brutal,

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unscrupulous enemies, that you should be equally as brutal, right,

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I mean it's our warrior ethos, you know, is based

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on you know, there's those principles I mentioned, right, our

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sense of honor, our commitment to one another, a willingness

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to sacrifice, you know. And but we're also committed to

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overmatching the enemy in every combat engagement, but also to

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employing you know, firepower with discipline and discrimination to do

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our best to protect innocence.

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Speaker 2: And this is I didn't come up with that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Saint Thomas Aquinas came.

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Speaker 2: Up with that.

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Speaker 4: So I think I think, I think, you know, there

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and and and and you know the relationship of the military.

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the military owe the president and the surgery of war?

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They owe those two their best military advice. And what

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I'm concerned about is, you know, this this kind of

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idea that that they're that they're not going to get

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that because somebody in a senior military rank like worked

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for Mark Milly, who they hate people work for Mark

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Milly because the guy was the chairman man. It's not

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because you know, it's it's not because that they were

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they were against President Trump or something. There's no way,

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I mean, so I just think I we got to

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really work hard to keep that bold line in place

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between our military and partisan politics.

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Speaker 1: Hi there, Charles kok K in Florida. I wonder if

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I can ask you about drones. I've been watching some

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of the footage coming out of Ukraine. I've read a

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little bit about developments within the china Es military, and

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perhaps I'm falling for the latest buzzwords and hype, but

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it seems to me that this could be huge. This

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could be a massive change in the way we fight.

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Am I right? And if I am right, is America

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keeping up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Charles, you are right, It already is a massive

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change in the in the way that we fight. America

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is keeping up in terms of the technology, you know,

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and our ability to develop drones that have the capabilities

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you want them to have. Of course, they come in

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all different sizes, with different payloads, and they have different roles, right,

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They have you know, reconnaissance rolls, deep strike roles, as

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you've seen with many of these like lower cost to

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head drones that have that have a great greater, greater range.

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And then but then also you have these tactical drones.

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combat is is these first person view drones which are

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which are wire guided, but the but the wire guide

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is like thirty kilometers now instead of you know, six kilometers,

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which was maybe at the outset of the war. So

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what this has created, Charles, is kind of a no

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man's land that is reminiscent I think of World War One.

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So whereas this has really shifted in a significant way

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the character of warfare and combat, you know, there's also

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a lot of continuity there. It looks like World War

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One because remember World War One, the problem initially was

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machine guns and then massive artillery, you know what the

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Germans called materiel schlocked, and so to get around material shlock,

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they changed their tactics. They put in elastic defense, defense

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in greater depth, smaller outposts forwards. Sound familiar, That's what

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the Ukrainians are doing. And then the Germans with the

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Lutendwarf offensive in the spring of nineteen eighteen, which they

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launched simultaneous with unrestricted submarine warfare to try to knock

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France and Britain out of the war before the America

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came in. They used infiltration tactics, small groups to try

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to get around the front lines and then attack. You know,

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artillery and command posts and logistics facilities. That sounds like

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what's going on around Picross right now in Ukraine. But

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I think the fundamental conditions have not shifted in terms

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of having decisive capabilities, because the Russians have not been

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able to sustain those offensives and they're taking massive losses

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as they do it now. But to your question, hey,

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how does this change warfare? It changes warfare because these capabilities,

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along with some others like intelligence collection capabilities, especially those

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in lower Earth orbit You're like, like imagery and RSRF

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collection or radio frequency collection capabilities, have shifted the battlefield

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into the realm of more transparency, and so all forces

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have to act almost like as if they're in visual

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range of the enemy. So what this means for future

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war is we need countermeasures to that, and in the

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opening phase of the next war, I think we're going

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to have to apply a range of capabilities designed to

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blind the enemy, to blind the enemy shooting down drones.

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And you're seeing some of these countermeasures now coming out

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with drone against drone right drone v drone warfare where

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you know where swarms of drones are are kind of

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protecting you. But also directed energy capabilities and as well

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as the range of electromagnetic warfare capabilities which have already

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been employed against against drones. So those are all coming online,

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and so what you're going to see is this interaction

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like you always see in war between dueling capabilities, you know,

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machine gun, tank, tank, anti tank, missile, submarine, so onar,

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bomb er, radar. But the next war is obviously going

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to be fought also in cyberspace as this one has been,

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but in low Earth orbit for sure. The next war's

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going into space because to blind your enemy, you're gonna

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have to you're gonna have to dazzle or destroy their

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space based collection capabilities. So we're developing a range of capas,

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but we haven't done to get your question, how are

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we doing? We haven't been able to do it at scale.

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I mean what the scale of what Ukrainians and Russians

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are doing is astounding, and also the speed of innovation.

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I mean, what will happen is there'll be a countermeasure

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developed Ukraine is a Russian countermeasure. Ukrainians will detect it

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and then within certainly a couple of weeks, but often

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within days, they have an adaptation to their drones that

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that that mitigates the effect of that countermeasure. So I

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think also what we're learning is not only you know,

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the effect of drones, but also the importance of open

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architectures for weapons systems, so they can be they can

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be uh, they can be modified on the fly.

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Speaker 2: It's all fascinating. Aybody who study in warfare and you

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believe and you hope that maybe one hundred starlings could

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be self propelled and nudge your Chinese satellite out of orbit,

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and that's our secular weapon, you hope, and you think

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that maybe we can develop an aujus system that will

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just clean them all out of the skies.

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Speaker 1: But then you.

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Speaker 2: Realize when you see some of these demonstrations in China

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that they have of just you know, sort of esthetic

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drones or they go into the sky and form great

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mini pictures. The ability to coordinate masses of these and

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the ability then to perhaps swarm and overwhelm defenses, and

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you start thinking to yourself, well, it's not that an

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insurmountable problem, but it is a problem. Now, what you've

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said is that the ideas are recognized, the threat is recognized,

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and what needs to be done and nimble we need

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to be to counteract that. That's that's all baked in already.

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But we've all seen sclerotic procurement. We've all seen how

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entrenched ways of thinking keep some people from adapting because

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it's the it's their fief to me, it's their bili wick.

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And you want to think that everybody is of a

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mind to realize that something has changed significantly in warfare

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in the last twenty years, the last two years. Is

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the Pentagon mindset now nimble and forward looking and impatient

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with those people who want to preserve this or keep

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this or naysay that, or is there a sense of urgency?

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I guess that's what I'm looking.

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Speaker 4: For, James. I think there is, you know, and I

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think this has been a big change and a positive

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change in the Trumpet administration. And it's mainly because, you know,

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the Trump administration. You know, prisident Trump is unconventional, right,

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you know, he's very disruptive. Oftentimes he becomes, you know,

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maybe too disruptive and disrupts himself. You know, but let's

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set that aside for a second. But what what he

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what what he's doing is he's willing to kind of

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to break the process, put new processes in place. There

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are some policies they put in place already that I

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think are quite promising that allow for the rapid procurement

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of these capabilities. And what encourages me is the Deputy

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Secretary of Defense, Steve Feinberg, is he's not like a

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normal person to come into the Department Defense, right, He's

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you know, he was He's the founder of a big

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private equity firm, and and his skill set has been

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to develop companies, you know, and you know, and improve

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the effectiveness of companies, many of which have had defense

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or intelligence application. He knows how frustrating the process can be,

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and now he's in charge of that process as the

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Deputy Secretary of Defense. And and so I think that

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one of the reasons why we didn't have earlier, I

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think is because the same people kept coming into the

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Department of Defense.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: What happened is a Republican administration would come in, the

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Democrats would go to a think tanks, went back to

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the private sector, and then those same Democrat you know,

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sort of political appointees would come back and vice versa.

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So I think you have a new group of people.

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Speaker 6: The one thing that I kind of.

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Speaker 4: Worry about though. James is like, you need some of

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the exquisite capabilities and you know, the more expensive capabilities

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to get you into the fight. Right if you're if

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you were to carry like a little drone in your

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hand to the front, how did you get to the front.

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And then also, you know what we're seeing in Ukraine

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and what we see saw Gaza and urban warfare is

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that war is still about the control of territory, populations

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and resources. And you know, guess what you need to

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do that. You need infantry, and guess what you need

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to get your infantry into that fight. You need mobile

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protective firepower, you need tiar and layered air defense capabilities.

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You need the joint capabilities it can be brought to

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bear to disrupt the enemy in greater depth. You need logistics. Hey,

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that sounds like combined arms and joint capabilities to me. So,

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you know, I think of combat that's rock paper scissors.

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It's like the kids game rock paper scissors. And if

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you don't have the full compliment. You know, if you

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didn't bring scissors and the enemy brings out the paper,

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you're done. So I think it's important for us to

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have this range of capabilities, and some people were saying, hey,

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we don't need these exquisite capabilities anymore. Well, I mean

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that's easy for you to say, but when you're in

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close combat, you want that exquisite capability. I for one,

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enjoyed being in the seventy ton killing machine in Desert Storm.

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You know, I was grateful for General Dynamics man and

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all the people who gave you that beautiful that beautiful machine,

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you know. So so I think that you know, we

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do need, though, to develop these capabilities so that they can,

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as I mentioned, be upgraded very quickly. And we have

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some real new design capabilities now. So for example, like

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some of these new defense companies, instead of doing it

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the old way James, like where you don't get a

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request for proposal right then it'll create a spec document

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that's like thousand, thousands of pages, right I mean, and

477
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,079
then and they'll say, okay, now give me money, give

478
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,799
me money to build the prototype. And then they build

479
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,319
competing prototypes. There's a down selection and then you know

480
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,400
that takes forever. What some of these new companies are

481
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,200
doing is they're just building it and are saying, hey,

482
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:17,079
look at this thing I built you guys want it,

483
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,039
you know, because I think it meets your requirement. So

484
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,920
I think there are some significant changes happening. But also

485
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,680
what we have to be cognizant of here, and this

486
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:27,400
is a real danger, is we have allowed our supply

487
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,240
chains to become too dependent on single points of failure

488
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,640
controlled by China. And of course that's been very much

489
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,519
in the news in the last several weeks, but it's

490
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:36,920
been the case like since the nineties. Got it just

491
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,359
got worse and worse in the two thousands and twenty tens,

492
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and we didn't do enough about that. So I think

493
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that's where we need a sense of urgency as well.

494
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Speaker 2: I think when it comes to getting men into the theater,

495
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:50,079
when it comes to using drones and flight capability, when

496
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it comes to using all sorts of suppressive firepower and

497
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:54,480
the rest of it. I think in the future we're

498
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,160
going to see where you take a man and you

499
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,240
put them in a flying craft and the craft will

500
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:01,119
have guns and r oh, just to the jet. I'll

501
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:01,680
shut up now.

502
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 5: Well, about the rocks you were mentioning a moment ago

503
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,039
of rock paper scissors, We asked them one very specific question.

504
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,640
There's been a lot of chatter about whether we should

505
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,799
supply Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, which would enable them to

506
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,880
strike deep into Russia. And the debate reminds me in

507
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,119
some ways of a debate I know, you know well,

508
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,119
which was back in the eighties, long debates about whether

509
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,599
we should give Stinger missiles to the Afghan resistance against

510
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,759
the Soviet Union then, and I think some of the

511
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:32,160
same risk risk factors then are on our minds. Now,

512
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,960
what do you say, yeay, r nay, Do you have

513
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,559
an opinion on the tomahawk question?

514
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 4: I say yay to it, because you really to be

515
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,160
effective at countering this onslaught. I think it was seven

516
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,720
herd and twenty projectiles of various types, all different types

517
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,039
fired on Ukraine yesterday. Right, you need or you need

518
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,240
to be able to shoot down those arrows, but you

519
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,480
also have to be able to kill the archer. And

520
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,000
what Ukraine has demonstrated is the ability to use these

521
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:01,119
these long range capability, these you know, in a in

522
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,880
a very disciplined manner, by going after military bases, by

523
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,799
going after military targets as well as some of the

524
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,039
infrastructure that's related to sustaining Russia's war making machine. Like

525
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:14,759
the like the refineries that we were discussing earlier. So

526
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,400
I think that, you know, I think providing those capabilies important.

527
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,880
They already have some of these in limited quantities, like

528
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,119
the storm shadows for example, and UH and and uh

529
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and the you know, the Taurus is the German version.

530
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,200
But I think I think we should we should sell them,

531
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,200
you know, as I guess as we're doing it now,

532
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,440
sell them to the Europeans who can provide them, uh,

533
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,599
to the to the Ukrainians. And I know there has

534
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,359
been some discussion about, well, it's hard to teach them

535
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,839
how to use it. I mean, the ukrates are demonstrated,

536
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,640
they are incredibly they're ingenious at this stuff, and and

537
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,119
and and uh.

538
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: I think they can.

539
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:54,559
Speaker 4: Figure it out pretty quickly, you know, with uh minimal training.

540
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: Well, we've covered a lot, and I think there's a

541
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,640
few more things in the world that we could probably

542
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,160
get a right too. But we know you have to

543
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,000
go and we'll leave him for the next time. Unless,

544
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,960
of course, piece is broken out globally and there's nothing

545
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,559
to do but sit back and bask in the shine

546
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,839
of it. All might not happen. Hr McMasters, it's been

547
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,160
a great pleasure at war with ourselves. My tour of

548
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,960
duty in the Trump White House is the book you

549
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:15,960
might want to pick up, or any of his other fine,

550
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,359
fine works. And it's been a pleasure talking to you, sir,

551
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,960
and we hope to have you back again soon.

552
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,839
Speaker 4: Hey, always great to be with you, guys.

553
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: Take care, take it bye bye, and Charles, do you

554
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,000
have a drone?

555
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: My seven year old has a little drone he got

556
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,680
for Christmas. But it's a threat to anyone.

557
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,839
Speaker 2: We need to pot you up a bit. Your seven

558
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,400
year old has a drone? Does is he skilled enough

559
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,039
to be able to control it with one of those

560
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,240
out you know things, with all the little toggles and

561
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,839
the joysticks and the rest of it. Or does he

562
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,319
use his phone to manipulate it? No?

563
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,759
Speaker 1: No, it has a remote control with the joysticks. It's

564
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:54,319
not a phone based drone. But I tend to fly

565
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,160
it because he tends to fly it into a tree.

566
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,319
Speaker 2: Yes, well that'll happen, Stephen. What kind is yours? I'll

567
00:27:59,319 --> 00:27:59,839
bet it's a DG.

568
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I've got several of them. Actually, I've been

569
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:04,160
a drone not from the very beginning.

570
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 5: I've still got one of the big old giant ones

571
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:09,160
from twelve years ago whenever, and now I'm just a

572
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:09,720
drone nut.

573
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:11,079
Speaker 6: I'm the early adopter and.

574
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: The equivalent of the satellite dish in the backyard and

575
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,680
some you know, some mozart place. Yes, I have a

576
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,680
little dj I neo that is packable, and I take

577
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,000
it with you and fly about, and I'll still never remember.

578
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,279
I forget standing on the shores in England and Suffolk

579
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,519
and looking at the picture and admiring the view I

580
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,519
had before I realized that I was sending it out

581
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,160
to its death, to its doom. It was no idea,

582
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,759
and it reached the limit, and it's sort of it

583
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,519
pulled back and came back to me and the film

584
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,359
of these because it has an automatic landing ability which

585
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,720
just comes back to your hand. I don't know if

586
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,240
yours does. It's just like watching this bird come back

587
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,200
to a very worried parent that's happy to see it.

588
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:50,880
And then of course I put it in a tree.

589
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,599
So it's lots of fun, yes, But when you realize

590
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,160
that these are indeed the instruments of war, that the

591
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,240
very same thing that we play around with and have

592
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:01,480
panoramic shots of our backyard are following men into trenches

593
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,240
followed by a no signal indicates that there's a very

594
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,680
horrifying and personal aspect to these that has changed a

595
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,799
lot of the nature of warfare. I mean, men in

596
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,240
combat in a trench never had to fear like a

597
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:19,759
personal a personal demon that was set on them on

598
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,119
harvesting their soul, which is what it feels like in

599
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,119
some of these places. But then again, we've been predicting

600
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,920
this war was going to come to a cracking point

601
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:31,960
for years now and it hasn't shifting. Domestically. Checking my watch,

602
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,559
do we have a government still shut down? I can't

603
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,519
tell you, guys, what are you feeling about this?

604
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:38,799
Speaker 6: Well?

605
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:40,799
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I've made this speech before that

606
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,759
all of our other governments, including a lot of federal government,

607
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:46,240
are still open, but certainly staken local government are open.

608
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,400
My latest thought about this is that nothing will happen

609
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,599
until at least next Wednesday, and that's pure politics. I

610
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,480
think Democrats are expecting or hoping that they're going to

611
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,799
sweep the governor's races in Virginia and New Jersey and

612
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,559
maybe some other races around the country, probably the Proposition

613
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,359
fifty in California that will allow the Democrats to carve

614
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480
up the congressional districts to take out what few Republicans

615
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:13,559
remain that will pass and maybe pass Handling, and that.

616
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:15,119
Speaker 6: Will give them a big talking point.

617
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:16,799
Speaker 4: I think.

618
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 6: Otherwise it's not gonna nothing will happen before Wednesday, but.

619
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Speaker 1: Will I'm interested in this because I agree Steve that

620
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,039
was my view as well. And then I read a

621
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:30,799
really interesting piece this morning in National Review by Henry Olsen, who,

622
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:35,920
oh yes writes does a podcast with Ricochet, and he

623
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,519
says that, yeah, the Democrats are probably going to win

624
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,039
those races, and yeah, they're probably going to get the

625
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,240
sixty is it sixty percent they need in California or

626
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,759
just fifty percent for the proposition to go through. But

627
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,240
they're not walking away with it. In Virginia, they're not

628
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,799
walking away with it in New Jersey. There is no

629
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,519
blue wave wave, and you would expect to see a

630
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,920
bigger reaction against Trump. So, yes, I have no doubt

631
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,680
they'll say it. They've been pretending they didn't shut down

632
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,839
the government. They'll say anything, but I do wonder whether

633
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,880
they're going to be underwhelmed. And if somehow Citarelli were

634
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,759
to win in New Jersey, that argument is going to

635
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,839
fall on deaf is because that will then be the story.

636
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, it's a gamble on their part, for sure,

637
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:30,160
but I think that's what they're hoping for.

638
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:36,039
Speaker 2: Charles, you had a fun tweet this morning here and

639
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,279
it's almost a stick this one anywhere Charles W could

640
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,039
tweet which consisted of nobody actually believes this, it's absurd.

641
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,079
Now you're actually linking to something which is one of

642
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,720
my favorite talking points about the culture in these social

643
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,799
wars and all the rest of it. Some fellow, I

644
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:56,920
don't know why you're referring to how many followers is

645
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000
this guy? What some low number of people are you

646
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,000
engaging with? Oh, he's got to he's got one hundred

647
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,960
and forty one thousand followers, all right, he said, sorry,

648
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,400
quote some cultures are inferior to others. End quote is

649
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:14,400
just racism with extra steps. So yeah, yeah, So tell

650
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,960
me this conversation fascinates me. Tell me exactly why you

651
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:20,720
thought this was absurd and that nobody believes it.

652
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you why, because both the left and

653
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:28,240
the right in America clearly believe that some cultures are

654
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480
superior to others. So the right and I think This

655
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,720
is probably not just the right, but it's most people

656
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:38,920
evidently think that there are bad countries because they have

657
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:44,279
been made aware in their lives of say Iran or

658
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:50,319
Saudi Arabia or Marley. There is a difference between saying

659
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:54,640
the people there are inferior, or their skin color makes

660
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,480
them inferior, or under all circumstances, irrespective of their surroundings

661
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,359
they would be in which is the thing I very

662
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,039
strongly do not believe, and saying there are cultures that

663
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,000
are different than the cultures that obtain there that are better.

664
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,160
So that is the obvious case. But the case that

665
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,759
seals it for me is as applied to the left.

666
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:19,400
What was the sixteen to nineteen project if not the

667
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:25,160
assertion correctly in this particular, that say the Confederacy was

668
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,960
an inferior culture than the Free North. They believe it too.

669
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:33,279
If they didn't, they wouldn't go on all the time

670
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,519
about their politics.

671
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,359
Speaker 3: I know.

672
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite favorite contradictions. They think it.

673
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: For goodness sake, they think it. They never shut up

674
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:41,759
about it.

675
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: There's a Iram Kendy. I remember hearing an interview and

676
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,839
I wish I could track this down, But what he

677
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,920
was saying was that cultures that believe that they are

678
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,319
higher archy, that there are hierarchies in the in the

679
00:33:55,359 --> 00:34:00,400
cultures of the world, are irredeemably bad. That those who

680
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,200
believe in making a hierarchy of other cultures are inferior.

681
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,640
And what he's saying then is that they are inferior

682
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,880
to the cultures that do not make hierarchical judgments, which

683
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,400
thereby establishes a hierarchy, right, the good one who doesn't

684
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,519
and the bad one who does. So there's your just

685
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:20,199
in America.

686
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,639
Speaker 1: Just in America. Do progressives really expect us to believe

687
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:30,079
that they don't think Massachusetts has a better culture than Alabama.

688
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,719
I'm not saying that's my view, right, but that is.

689
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:36,079
Speaker 6: Clearly their view.

690
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,519
Speaker 1: They talk about fly over country. They suggest that there

691
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:45,039
are places in which people are enlightened and places in

692
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:49,880
which they are not. They dream of an electorate that

693
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,800
looks like the electorate of Washington and Oregon and California

694
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,760
and not of Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas. That is quite

695
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,760
clearly and in horse of the idea that there are

696
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,440
good cultures and bad cultures.

697
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,679
Speaker 2: But separately from race, they're looking at the right and

698
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,679
saying that the two examples that the right would use

699
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,800
of cultures that are insuperior, to use one of my

700
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,400
favorite non existent words to that of the West, would

701
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,199
be would be Africa and the Muslim world. And because

702
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:23,599
they they they would say that Africa's problems stem from

703
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,760
only colonialism, which is the sin of the West, nothing else,

704
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,719
and that Islam, which has now become a race, must

705
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,079
be called blameless because it must be held a blameless

706
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:38,159
and held up with a certain amount of valor and

707
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,760
admiration because it is targeted by the people on the right.

708
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,679
The reason that they love and embrace and get tingly

709
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,960
over the multicultural aspects of Islam has nothing to do

710
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:49,960
with the preception things that might horrify them if they

711
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,920
came from Christians. It's simply because they tell themselves that

712
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,119
all those people in fly Over Country in Alabama get

713
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,679
riled up about the Mussulman, and they're doing so for

714
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,920
bigoted reasons. So it's not a particularly sophisticated view of

715
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,119
the world. And it also just allies them with things

716
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,599
that are so culturally abhorrent to them. In the treatment

717
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,360
of what they regard as marginalized individuals in the West.

718
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,119
That is an incoherent, stupid thing to say, and that

719
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,000
it's said by somebody with one hundred and forty five

720
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:20,480
thousand followers apparently has some sort of academic pedigree pedals.

721
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:23,559
This nonsense just shows you there is no second order

722
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:25,719
thinking to any of this stuff. It's just the proclamation

723
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,440
of these virtuous little bits of twaddle.

724
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:32,079
Speaker 5: James, Well, James, you say it's a it's an understatement

725
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:33,920
to say it's not a very sophisticated view.

726
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,199
Speaker 6: It's even worse than that.

727
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, for the umpteenth time, I'll

728
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,119
repeat that if the left didn't have double standards, they

729
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,760
wouldn't have any standards at all. But beyond that, what

730
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,719
you really see at work here is what the great

731
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,280
late Roger scrut would call the culture of repudiation. What

732
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,599
they really believe is that our culture is the inferior one. Right,

733
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,800
anything that serves the hatred of Western culture is what

734
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,760
they're for, So you'll elevate any other culture around the

735
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,559
world over our own. And finally, I was glad you

736
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,079
brought this up because I was going to bring up

737
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:06,280
Charles National Review article about this. What touched this off

738
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,199
was the original statement that some cultures are better than

739
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,639
others was from the leader of the long suffering Tory

740
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,719
Party in England, can be bad Knock, the daughter of

741
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,960
Kenyan immigrants to England, who has fully assimilated to British

742
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:24,480
culture and has been very forcefully attacking Wokeriy to you

743
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:27,719
Shorthand for a very long time now. And boy, the

744
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960
left really wants to change the subject when it's say,

745
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,800
person of color making these politically incorrect arguments.

746
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 6: So anyway, he's off to you, Charlie. That was a

747
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,159
great piece.

748
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,519
Speaker 1: And one of those arguments that Kemmy Badenock made was

749
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:43,039
that cultures that engage in female genital mutilation are worse

750
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,880
than Britain. Now, if you can find me a progressive

751
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,159
who doesn't believe that, whether quietly or not, I'll give

752
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,239
you a million dollars. That is uncontroversial thankfully in the West.

753
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, unless you're talking about certain Northern European judiciary

754
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,159
members who seem to believe that if your culture says

755
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,599
it's all right to rape a thirteen year old, then

756
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,480
how can you be held accountable for it in a

757
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,519
Western country When you don't know what stuff like that

758
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,400
makes people tear their hair out and then six years

759
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,559
later there's riots in civil war or not. I mean,

760
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,880
I was just in England, had a great time, kind

761
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,519
of And it's always amusing because I go there. Before

762
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,880
I go there, my feet is full of stabbings and

763
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,039
horrible things and riots and Palestinian demonstrations and Bobby's knocking

764
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,199
on the door because you tweeted something wrong and I've

765
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,440
seen none of that in evidence. I granted, I spend

766
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:37,440
my time in the banana in the bubble, but it's

767
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,800
just amusing to see the complete and utter contrast between

768
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,400
everything that I read and the life that I live

769
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:46,039
TwixT London and Suffolk. So there's hope. There's hope. That's

770
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,000
what I'm saying. But related to the subject is a

771
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,480
recent piece by Helen Anderson Helen Andrews, I'm sorry, called

772
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:57,960
the Great Feminization, which basically is saying, you know what nineteenth.

773
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,719
I don't know about that, no go that far. But

774
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,880
what she does say is that we have moved almost

775
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,039
completely now from a culture that used to prior that

776
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:13,079
he used to prioritize, admire, uphold, depend upon what we

777
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,840
saw is traditionally masculine aspects and it's been replaced by

778
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,400
a cattery caddy little you know, hr covenant that has

779
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,199
brought a new scent, sense of ideas and the way

780
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:26,039
things go. And then it's not working out for us.

781
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:28,559
It's stifling things, it's driving people apart, and it's turning

782
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,800
us into a tiresome kindergarten where we're all being shussed

783
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,480
by some officious nanny somewhere. Did I trust you fellows

784
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,159
read the you guys? You read that one guys about that,

785
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,639
about how the chicks are ruined and everything I did? Okay?

786
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: Thoughts, Well, I think she made many points. I think

787
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:53,440
she's very intelligent. I think that she, as she acknowledged

788
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,000
at the end of the piece and then the speech

789
00:39:55,079 --> 00:40:00,280
she made that prompted it, she's arguing against interested one

790
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,320
level because she's a woman, but not at another because

791
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:08,079
she's objectionable. Those are her words. I think that her

792
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:13,079
piece was misinterpreted in some quarters, sometimes deliberately, sometimes not.

793
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,920
She wasn't saying all women should be shunted away. She

794
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:20,920
was saying that wokeness has female characteristics, and I think

795
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,880
there is something to that. The most profound point that

796
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:29,400
I thought she made and one that crystallized the view

797
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,400
that I have held for a while but hadn't quite

798
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:36,079
taken to its conclusion is that we do not have

799
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:42,840
a situation now in which we have normal competition for

800
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,159
both sexes, because it's illegal in some sense for women

801
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,679
to fail. And so the federal government has guaranteed that

802
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:57,199
we will have parity or greater than parity in women's

803
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,960
favor in the workplace. And I hadn't thought about that

804
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,320
like that, But that's true when you look at the law,

805
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,000
because if there aren't enough women in a given workplace,

806
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,360
it's a civil rights violation. But if there are more

807
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:17,199
than enough I mean mathematically, not culturally women in a workplace,

808
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,199
that doesn't matter. And that's the part of this I

809
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,079
think that really was driven home for me, because when

810
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,239
you set that up as a civil rights question, what

811
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,480
you are doing is putting your thumb on the scales

812
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,760
and guaranteeing that you're going to have more workplaces that

813
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:39,079
are kind in inverted commas than rambunctious and male. And

814
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,519
that's where it becomes a problem. It's not a problem

815
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,199
to have lots of places in America that are feminine.

816
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,920
I mean, for example, I quite like the fact that

817
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,559
my children's school is dominated by female teachers, especially for

818
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:56,760
younger grades. But I don't think it is good when

819
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,360
you are mandating that everywhere ought to become like that,

820
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,960
because there are lots of places that probably ought to

821
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:09,440
stay male. The broader question of whether or not having

822
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:11,920
lots of women running around is going to destroy the

823
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:14,599
rule of law. I need to think more about. But

824
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,079
that I thought was really on the money.

825
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of men read that, bes and do

826
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,280
you know I should show this to my wife.

827
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,599
Speaker 6: Well, so, first of all, this article.

828
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 5: I don't know if you caught this overseas trying to

829
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,239
follow it from afar, but it has created a huge station. Ah,

830
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,079
David French wrought a whole call them about it in

831
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:35,880
the New York Times.

832
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,199
Speaker 6: That shows you right there.

833
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,519
Speaker 5: I have been following some of the reaction from what

834
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:43,199
I call some of the smarter progressive, the sort of

835
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,079
center left abundance liberals who are kind of interesting and thoughtful,

836
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:48,599
and their reaction has been curious because on the one

837
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:50,559
hand they all rush to say, we don't agree with

838
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,360
Helen Andrews, but then the next sentence is, but she's

839
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,840
actually right about a lot of stuff, And you know,

840
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,760
for a very long time. I have pointed out, not me,

841
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:01,159
the economist Mark Pair who's a good friend, that if

842
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,559
you look at I should give a preface to this.

843
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,760
You will occasionally hear feminists say there ought to be

844
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,679
you know, a quote that fifty percent of leading professions should,

845
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,079
like lawyers, doctors, legislators.

846
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 6: Should be women.

847
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 5: And then Mark Perry likes to point out and he

848
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,559
has statistics that, let's see, ninety nine percent of garbage

849
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:23,079
workers are men, ninety eight percent of telephone alignment are men. Right,

850
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,079
you want to hard rock miners. Oh, and the fatality

851
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,559
rates much much higher for men in occupations than women.

852
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,119
How come we don't hear about, you know, demands for equity.

853
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,639
Shouldn't we have fifty percent of garbage workers be women?

854
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,840
And I've seen feminists presented with this question and their

855
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,280
answer always is, well, the wait, we need equity in

856
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,159
the professions to where the power is. Well, you know what,

857
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,079
see what you think about power when your garbage doesn't

858
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,840
get picked up. But I'll leave that aside for now.

859
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,360
But you can see what's going on here.

860
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,159
Speaker 6: It is political.

861
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,119
Speaker 5: It is about power, and I think Helen has touched

862
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:57,639
off a debate that's going to have some legs that

863
00:43:57,679 --> 00:43:58,559
are going to go for a while.

864
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: They also play a game with that one because while

865
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,760
you can comprehend the argument that this should only be

866
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,719
applied where the power is. When you hear it, you

867
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,760
think politician or banker, but they never apply that rule

868
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:20,079
to say, schools, because teachers have an enormous amount of power,

869
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,119
maybe the most power over people between the ages of

870
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:30,400
four and eighteen. Women are overrepresented in those roles. They

871
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,599
don't think that's a problem the other way around, And

872
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:36,119
that's where I think feminists can sometimes play games with

873
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:43,360
language that they only really define power in certain ways

874
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:44,800
and they ignore.

875
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: It in others. Yes, I think you're correct. Now let's

876
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,480
grind all the gears and do something that is not

877
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:55,920
weighty and does not affect the fate of the world,

878
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,400
of the nation, of the culture, of the rest of it.

879
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:01,360
It's a holiday weekend, of course, this podcast goes up today.

880
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,639
Great because people here at tomorrow, Halloween is as dead

881
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,880
as can possibly be on November first, and nobody cares

882
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,039
the clammory realities of this new month. They are always

883
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:14,440
upon us. But that doesn't mean that we can't say

884
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,239
for the audience today what we believe to be the

885
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,920
most frightening movie that we have ever seen in our life.

886
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,440
And if they hear tonight they want to watch it.

887
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,159
Good Charles, you go first. I know you've been cheeing

888
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:27,880
away through the American uber for a long time. Okay,

889
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,119
I'll let you go second. Steven, I know you probably

890
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:30,599
have something.

891
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 4: Well.

892
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 6: I don't know.

893
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,559
Speaker 5: I saw a few of the slasher films that were

894
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,400
popular a few, you know, ten twenty years ago, and

895
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:42,800
really didn't like them. Party it's just function of age,

896
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,719
just like them less. And so I'm going to do

897
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,159
a very antique answer and then to a you turn

898
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,000
on it. And you know, I saw The Exorcists when

899
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,000
it came out in the mid seventies. I managed to

900
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:55,119
like sneak into the theater because it was rated R

901
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:57,519
and I think I was sixteen, and I found that

902
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,880
pretty darn frightening, right, And later years when I watched

903
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,239
that movie again, I was actually impressed with how theologically

904
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,960
literate it is. They actually some of those scenes with

905
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,800
Catholic priests and the medical doctors debating, and then the

906
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,679
person who plays with father Damien I think is his name,

907
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,440
a wonderful performance.

908
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: I forget the name of the act, anguished, an anguished performance, correcked.

909
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 6: I thought it was a terrific performance.

910
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,039
Speaker 5: And so although I'm still, you know, creeped out by

911
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,639
the scenes of Linda Blair's had rotating and projectile vomiting

912
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:29,639
across the room and all the rest of that, I

913
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,039
look back on that now is actually a pretty darn

914
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,960
good movie, but pretty darn scary, and maybe maybe because

915
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,599
of its seriousness in a certain way, it becomes more

916
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:40,039
has more weight to it.

917
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: I think you're right, Charles, You've now had a few minutes, James.

918
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,519
Speaker 1: I hate horror movies. I hate scary movies.

919
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 6: I mean to watch them.

920
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,159
Speaker 1: My roommate in Oxford for a while loved them, and

921
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,519
he made me watch these movies, and I just can't

922
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:56,880
do it.

923
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,079
Speaker 2: I'm well, define what you believe a scary Are we

924
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,000
talking guts on the floor or are we talking creeping

925
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:09,719
dread around the corner? Atmospheric hammer movies, Vincent Price's eyes

926
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,960
alight with madness.

927
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's all, pretty much all of it. Yeah,

928
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,480
I wouldn't even go near sore. I've never seen that

929
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:16,360
in my wont.

930
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 6: The hostile movies? I would ban those.

931
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't watch that.

932
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: I or horror slasher movies that make you job. You know,

933
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:26,840
it's so weird because I'm a nut for roller coasters.

934
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:28,039
Speaker 6: I love er.

935
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: There's nothing too scary for me with roller coasters. But

936
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:33,519
when it comes to horror movies, I can't do it.

937
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,920
So I'm going to probably make people laugh because I'm

938
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,480
so innocent. But I think the most unsettling movie I've

939
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,840
ever seen is The Shining. I find it really creepy.

940
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,280
I can watch that because I love Kubrick and I

941
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,800
love the performances, and I do think it's brilliantly done.

942
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,360
I don't enjoy myself when I watch that movie, but

943
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,039
I do think it's very unsettled. But my sample size

944
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,920
is just so small. That's fine, You've chose in the exercist,

945
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,760
and I do agree, but that's the Jesus out of me.

946
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,599
I'm still.

947
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: Shining is a deeply unsettling movie. Yes, And there's a

948
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,320
man I have I know only from correspondence on Twitter,

949
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Lee Junkrachu's the director of Coco and a couple other

950
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Epixar movies who has put out a book about it.

951
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,880
And there's an absolute master of the movie and what

952
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,599
you know, you can tell, because there's I think it's

953
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,199
in toy Story one. He actually slipped the texture of

954
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,320
the of the of the carpet from the overloak hotail

955
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,639
end of the movie. I mean the crazy theories about

956
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:36,559
it that what Danny is wearing suggests that Kubrick was

957
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:40,280
admitting his complicit nature in the faking of the Moonshine.

958
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,519
The way that the sets never resolve somehow psychologically works

959
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:47,440
upon you to make you uneasy, just with the whole

960
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:51,199
physical manifestation of the place. The fact there's a can

961
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,239
of baking soda that has an Indian head on it

962
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,199
that's supposed to speak of a burial ground. I don't

963
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:57,639
know the Indians got out that I had a big

964
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,719
burial ground. I don't know. All these things crazy theories,

965
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:03,760
but at the same time possibly so, I don't know,

966
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,719
Except for the Kubrick one. It has about it an

967
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,880
unreal nature, and Stephen King didn't like it. Stephen King

968
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,079
was irritated by the movie. But it is so off,

969
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,800
It is so wrong in so many ways that it

970
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,880
is one of the greatest pieces of sustained discomfort that

971
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,880
ending up with l Bowley singings. You know, Midnight and

972
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,199
the Stars with you as we pan out from that

973
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:29,400
great shot of nineteen twenty one. I just, I really

974
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:32,639
really do. Can't say I love it that I admire

975
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,400
the hale out of that movie. I have and because

976
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,000
I'm doing the hosting thing and I controlled the mic

977
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,239
and we'll shut down anybody whose interrupts. I have two

978
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:42,159
and they're very different. The first is close to The

979
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,800
Exorcist and the fact that the Exorcist in this movie

980
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,800
introduced something that I don't like, which is called the

981
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,639
body horror. But it's Alien. The first one I remember.

982
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,400
I mean when I saw The Exorcist, I remember being

983
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,559
scared before it started because of all the build up

984
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,320
and all of the hype about it Alien. I thought, yeah,

985
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,440
credit in space movie, you've seen a off and awful

986
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,239
lot of those black and white guy in a rubber suit.

987
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:09,639
From the very opening flutes descending and the credits beginning

988
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,039
on the screen, I was. I was filled with dread,

989
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:17,760
and every single thing about it just compounded the dread.

990
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,960
And nothing had really happened until something very horrible happened

991
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:24,920
and it wasn't supposed to, and then something very happy

992
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,760
there was definitely not supposed to happen in the hierarchy.

993
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,400
Who gets knocked out in the movies, and every pin

994
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:36,559
is knocked over, every expectation is sundered. It was just terrified.

995
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,119
I've never been drained like that in a movie before

996
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,199
or since. And it's a masterpiece. And I can't believe

997
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,440
they keep churning these things out in the television show

998
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:50,440
so bad. But there's something even scarier, And I think

999
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,000
it's because you see it as a child. When everybody

1000
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,039
thinks it's a wonderful little story, it's a story of

1001
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,280
a little girl just trying to get home with her

1002
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:03,960
adorable companions that saw colorful. You know, The Wizard of

1003
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:08,239
Oz is an absolutely terrifying movie to a child, as

1004
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,960
it should, because we are convinced, I wrote, I wrote

1005
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,159
my free stuff subject this week about it. We are

1006
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,559
convinced that when that bony woman leans forward, you know,

1007
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,280
with all of her cackling and energetic malevolence fixated on

1008
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,000
this little girl and tells her that she's going to

1009
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:24,079
kill her, she's going to get her and kill her

1010
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:27,639
dog too while she's at it, that she means it.

1011
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,639
And when she turns over that hour glass for the

1012
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,280
first time in your short life. You understand mortality and

1013
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,480
the futile fear and wanting to call out to your

1014
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:40,280
loved ones and not being able to do so, and

1015
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,199
there's no one to come to save you, and no

1016
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,280
one does. There's something so terrifying about the Wicked Witch

1017
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:49,440
that I just think because we they expose it to

1018
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:53,639
us at an early early age, and it burns down deep.

1019
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,679
And that's why I the fact that Margaret Hamilton actually

1020
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,440
went to work with this woman, that that I knew

1021
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,320
in ear later life, and that one of my dearest

1022
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,280
friends grew up with Margaret Hamilton as her aunt, as

1023
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,960
Aunt Maggie. Who would be if you would come over

1024
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,039
and help with Halloween and open the door with the kids?

1025
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 3: Right?

1026
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: Oh great?

1027
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:13,519
Speaker 6: I just love I just love James. Have you ever

1028
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:15,679
seen the It's all over the Internet? Apparently?

1029
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 5: A TV listing from TV guid somewhere some years ago,

1030
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,599
reads as follows the Wizard of Oz transported to a

1031
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:26,000
surreal landscape. A young girl kills the first person she meets,

1032
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,760
and then teams up with three strangers to kill again.

1033
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I have seen that something had a good sense

1034
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:32,760
of humor about Yes.

1035
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,079
Speaker 1: Yes, also quickly adds something to your analysis here that

1036
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,119
I found interesting. My wife is much braver than I

1037
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,960
am with movies. She's less brave with reler custers, So

1038
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:49,800
I guess we've got the feel covered. And I said, recently,

1039
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,079
let's show the kids Chitty Chitty Bang Bang oh, And

1040
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,880
she said no, no, no, no, no, no, no what no,

1041
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:02,239
no no. The child catcher scared the hell out of

1042
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,440
her as a kid for the reasons you described in

1043
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,320
the US. She thought they could get them.

1044
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 2: Me absolutely enough.

1045
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't scared of the child catches, So I don't

1046
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,880
know what's wrong with me. That's my Lacuna.

1047
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:19,519
Speaker 2: Folks took me to see The Ghost and Mister Chicken

1048
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:21,840
because it got don Nts in it, and he's funny.

1049
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,320
Everybody loves don Knots, and I had to be taken out.

1050
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,840
I dissolved in that movie because there's a point where

1051
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,079
you come across in a dark night there's a portrait

1052
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,079
on the wall with garden shears through its throat and

1053
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:35,400
it's bleeding as this organ plays this tune by Vic

1054
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,119
Mizzy by the way upside down. I couldn't take it.

1055
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,519
And later they took me to see Mister Limpet, the

1056
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,840
amazing mister limpet who Don Nototts again turns into a

1057
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,679
fish in an animated sequence, and that disturbed me greatly

1058
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,960
that such a thing was possible. So if people wonder

1059
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,519
why sometimes I get pumped palpitations and go white is

1060
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:54,920
a sheet when maybe a RFD theme plays with the

1061
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,480
Andy Griffith Show, it's because of Don Notts. I'm deeply

1062
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:02,800
deeply starved by that keletal mannequin. Not really, folks, I

1063
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,639
hope you have been deeply scarved by the fact that

1064
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,400
we've been discussing movies on a political podcast. Oh horrors,

1065
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,280
But no, that's what Ricochet is all about, and that's

1066
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,199
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1067
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1068
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1069
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1070
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,400
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1071
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,800
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1072
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,360
geomagnetic storms on Old Soul, we will talk about what's

1073
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1074
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,079
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1075
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:35,960
been there for as long as they plug that thing

1076
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in and I visit it every single day, two three times.

1077
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I'm their writing and hope to see you there in

1078
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,599
the comments and whatnot. And I know that Charles knows.

1079
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,599
I'm going to ask him which version of the software.

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Speaker 1: We're all four point fourteen point fourteen point two.

1081
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Speaker 2: You heard the man, Go there and see all those

1082
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,159
point two improvements while you can, because pretty soon be

1083
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1084
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:06,800
our guest, our producer, Perry, and EJ. Of course behind

1085
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1086
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1087
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Have a happy Halloween, as internally contradictory as that may be,

1088
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and we we'll see you later. Bye,