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By Aaron Gershawn already 75 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:24.040 traveling heading back up to close to his home stomping 76 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.959 grounds of Connecticut, bidding up to the New York area 77 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:31.199 where he'll cover Kentucky's basketball game. And you'll be, of 78 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:35.040 course watching Mark Pope work his magic again. Aaron, And 79 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:37.439 this is not long after you had a one on 80 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:39.439 one with him. You're You're on the long list, so 81 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.079 am I of people who have been trying to sit 82 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.120 down with the coach. And you finally got your chance. 83 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.160 I talked to him pre season, but I'm back on 84 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:49.720 the list. But I know that you've written about it 85 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.560 for The Cat's Pause. Tell me what you took away 86 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:53.439 from that experience. 87 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.519 Yeah, really cool and thankful. First time to obviously do 88 00:04:57.560 --> 00:04:59.759 it during the season. It was we did the interview 89 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:03.079 with Monday after they got home from Seattle, so I 90 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.600 really appreciated him taking the time out of the week 91 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:08.079 there obviously the game against Colgates, getting ready for and 92 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.720 then Louisville. But yeah, you know, we kept it focused 93 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:12.519 on this trip to New York. He's a guy that 94 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.360 you know, I think people you look at his life. 95 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.879 He was born in Omaha. He went to high school 96 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:21.040 in Washington, but he spent his you know, most of 97 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.480 his first ten years of life here in New York, 98 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.000 up in Westchester County, just about forty minutes north of 99 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.360 the city. So this is a homecoming for him. Not 100 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.959 just because of that, but obviously he went to Columbia 101 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.439 Middle School, medical school and lived here for a while. 102 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.199 His wife, Leanne was living here working for David Letterman. 103 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:42.160 He played for the Knicks for a year. He was 104 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.399 a part of the Pacers nicked rivalry in the nineties, 105 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.720 which was probably the best rivalry in the NBA arguably. 106 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.959 So he had some really really cool stories about, you know, 107 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.279 his time with Indiana, his one year with the Knicks. 108 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.720 There's an epic story actually in there about his tryout 109 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:58.720 with the Knicks and how he got that job. That's 110 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.199 my favorite part of the story. There so really cool 111 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.720 stuff to check out. And he was super gracious again 112 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:09.079 to give me that time during December with two games, 113 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.160 you know, to prepare for in the same week. 114 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:13.560 I got to think, if he's in Columbia medical school, 115 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.600 he didn't have a lot of time to enjoy living 116 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:18.600 in the city. But you know, you just kind of 117 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:19.560 soak it up, don't you. 118 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:22.480 That's right? And yeah, he said at the top, it's 119 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:24.319 the best place in the world, and then he stopped 120 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.920 and five seconds later said, besides Lexington. So he was 121 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.800 careful with his words. But he clearly has an affection 122 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:35.720 for New York that is right right up there with Kentucky. 123 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:37.839 And we all know how he feels about Kentucky. There's 124 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.480 no question how much this place means to him. And 125 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.360 I just can't get over the fact I was at 126 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.199 the arena. Probably I left probably an hour forty five, 127 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:50.240 two hours after the game on Saturday night, and this guy, 128 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.879 Mark Pope is still out there signing autographs. It's just 129 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.959 it's special. It's not saying obviously John cal Perry had 130 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.800 great years here and he appreciated the fans it got. 131 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.639 I mean, you know, it was not as maybe not 132 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:05.319 as much as he should have at the end, but 133 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:07.759 it is just a complete one to eighty from what 134 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:09.879 the last couple of years have been. It's been refreshing. 135 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.680 Oh yeah, and you've got that emotional bond to this 136 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.399 place that, in all fairness, Calip Perry did not have, 137 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.120 even though he you know, he took this program to 138 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:24.120 the top backtime topic of college basketball. But yeah, you know, Mark, 139 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:28.720 Mark's emotional bond is different. But you do wonder, like 140 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:31.519 fifteen years from now is going to be the same way. 141 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:31.759 You know. 142 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.639 I just think because because of the fact he played here, 143 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.279 I think that's probably why he will be Now we'll 144 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.120 still be reflecting on and we'll see where they are 145 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.439 on the court. You know, we'll see where they're on 146 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:47.920 the court next year. It's a year by year kideah, right, 147 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.959 But I think his experience here, like you said, it's 148 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:54.160 just different to Cal's. I mean, if Kal had played here, 149 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.639 maybe he was an assistant coach here in the nineties, 150 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.360 maybe it would be a little different. But you know, 151 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.720 this guy gets and it's been it's been really cool 152 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.399 to see him just embrace everything that comes with this 153 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:06.720 job and you know, do it with a smile on 154 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:08.519 his face almost the entire time. 155 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:12.720 The way the Louisville game played out, how did that 156 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.720 happen as opposed to the way you thought it would 157 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:16.639 play out? 158 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:20.839 Honestly, besides the fact Lamont Butler hit every single shot 159 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:25.040 he took and that he even played, uh pretty pretty close. 160 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:26.360 I didn't think I thought Louisville. 161 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.560 I know they're shorthanded, but I didn't think they'd come 162 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.920 in here and lay down. You know, I watched them 163 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:32.960 really the only game I watched them in full this 164 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.240 season was against Duke, and they led that game for 165 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:37.559 almost the entire first staff took the lead into the 166 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.320 half time, and then they kind of got gassed. But 167 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.879 you know, they were very competitive. They fought hard in 168 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.480 that game, and I expected them to come here here 169 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:46.759 and fight. And I think Pat Kelsey's a really good coach. 170 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:49.200 I think, uh it felt like, I think you might 171 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:51.720 have mentioned it when we were sitting up there on 172 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.159 press row that like every time and they came out 173 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.360 of the time out, they came up and hit a three. 174 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:59.120 So his play calls, his play calls were working, and 175 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:01.639 you know, he was mixing things up and doing some 176 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:04.759 good things on the offensive end. But Kentucky just felt 177 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.919 like and it felt like Kentucky was on has been 178 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.200 on the wrong side of the game like this so 179 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.600 many times in recent years. And that's not a dig 180 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:14.879 at anyone. It just felt like it was the case. 181 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:18.679 But it was one of those games where, you know, Kentucky, 182 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:21.639 I think they opened the game on a fifteen to 183 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:24.559 four run and then it never got closer than three. 184 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:26.919 But it was just one of those games where Louisville 185 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.279 would make a run and then every time they'd make 186 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:32.720 a run, Kentucky would hit a big shot and silence them, 187 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.080 And that, I just feel like is the type of 188 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.159 thing Kentucky's been on the wrong side of these last 189 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:41.360 couple of years, and they've been frustrating losses if you're 190 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:45.600 a Kentucky fan or a Kentucky player coach, and it 191 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:47.240 just felt like they were on the right side of it. 192 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.919 I mean, I think Louisville Kentucky got up by ten, 193 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.000 and I think it went back to five, and then 194 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.279 Lamont hits a three, and there were so many different 195 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:57.799 runs like that where it was like a five to 196 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.759 ozer run or seven oh run for Louisville. Then Kentucky 197 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.159 would come down and hit a huge three or have 198 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.559 a breakaway dunk and it would kind of just suck 199 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:07.559 the life out of Louisville for a few minutes, and 200 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:09.679 it was good to see Kentucky on the other side 201 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.879 of it. But yeah, the result was about what I thought. 202 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:13.200 I thought, eight to. 203 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:17.360 Ten, give her point victory, and that's exactly what happened. 204 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.960 And now you're ten and one toward the end of December. 205 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:22.080 That's pretty impressive. 206 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.399 I guess the thing that surprised me, Aaron, was when 207 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:29.840 Kentucky went up by ten more than once, they didn't 208 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:32.600 expand the lead. You got to give Louisville credit for 209 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:34.279 coming back time after time. 210 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.799 No question. I think Kentucky's largest leading the game is twelve, 211 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.240 so you know, it felt like and some free throws 212 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.360 kept the score a little close and then probably should 213 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:46.799 have That's an issue we need to keep monitoring with 214 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.840 this Kentucky team. They're not a very good free throw 215 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.320 shooting team so far this season. But yeah, Louisville hung tough. 216 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.879 I mean, Chucky Hemper and their point guard played terrific. 217 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:58.519 Terrence Edwards, the forward also played terrific, and you know 218 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.559 those two guys. I mean they had some other guys 219 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.000 play okay, but those two guys really are the ones 220 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.159 that kept Louisville in the game and gave Kentucky fits. 221 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.320 And they never laid over. I mean they were fighting 222 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:11.240 until literally the last minute. I think it's still they 223 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:13.360 cut it to five or six within the last minute. 224 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.200 So you definitely give a tip of the cat there, 225 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.559 and that's what you want in these type of games. Look, 226 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.080 you obviously want to keep winning against Louisville. They've won 227 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.679 fourteen to seventeen, and that's what you want to keep doing. 228 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.159 But it's just so much more fun when these games 229 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.320 come to the wire. There's at least you know, those 230 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.360 butterflies and the fans stomachs you don't want, like these 231 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.799 blowouts occasionally are fun. But you know, Pat Kelsey said 232 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:39.480 the best after the game, We got to win some 233 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.679 of these. Yeah, if we want to keep it a rivalry, 234 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:44.440 and you know, in this case it being the first 235 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.559 year for both these coaches. I think it was a 236 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.720 win in itself, that it was a close game, not 237 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.600 not giving Louisville any moral victories, But I just think 238 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:55.279 for the state, for the kind of the where this 239 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:58.039 rivalry is at, we needed one of these where, you know, 240 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.080 both teams really played at a high level and it 241 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:02.559 was a fun cover, fun one to watch. 242 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.720 Yeah, And in fact, that was the question that was 243 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:07.879 put to Kelsey. You know, how important was it to 244 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:12.279 come in and compete, you know, and then put up 245 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:15.200 a good fight. You know, nobody will like some moral victory, 246 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:19.399 But that was his answer. You're right. You mentioned a 247 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:23.799 three point shooting by Louisville, and a caller questioned Pope 248 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:27.159 about that tonight, and he also questioned him about in 249 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.759 the same question about body language of Amari Williams, which 250 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.360 I thought was a really good question. But Pope talked 251 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:38.039 about the fact that Louisville had insane numbers from two 252 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.039 point range and was not a good three point shooting 253 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:44.039 team coming into this game, and yeah, what they had 254 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:48.120 fourteen you know, of all games to come alive. Yeah, 255 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:49.960 but you got to pick your poison, and that's what 256 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.080 Kentucky did. But he got to give Louisville credit, no question. 257 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.679 Yeah, Louisville's top three point shooter coming into the game 258 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.200 was Ryan Smith, number six, and I think he was 259 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:01.960 at thirty seven percent on the year, which is yeah, good, 260 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.000 but that's not what you want your best three point 261 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.039 shooter to be. So yeah, I mean, I think when 262 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.200 they go sixteen for thirty nine, so they took a 263 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.080 lot of threes, which means Kentucky, like you said, pick 264 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.720 your poison. They knew that that Louisville was a high, 265 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.799 highly efficient two point scoring team, and they made himself 266 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:21.679 for threes. They took thirty nine and they have him 267 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:23.799 to hit sixteen, so you tip your cap a little bit. 268 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:25.960 But you know, at the same time, Colgate hit a 269 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:27.600 bunch of threes on them too, and they weren't a 270 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:30.240 good three point shooting team either. So I think it's 271 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:32.639 a case of Okay, those were the scouting reports, but 272 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.840 you're also going to make adjustments to get that cleaned 273 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:40.480 up because the SEC teams, if anyone hit sixteen threes 274 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:43.120 against you in the SEC, you're going to lose that game. 275 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.399 Yeah, well, yeah, And it's a great equalizer if you're 276 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.720 a Cold Gate or a Louisville with all due respect 277 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.159 going into this game. It's a great equalizer if you're 278 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:56.720 Kentucky and you're playing Duke or at Gonzaga. So everybody 279 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:58.480 knows that about the threes, but you got to stop 280 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:02.799 the other guys from making threes as well, other than Butler. 281 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:06.799 And there's there's in terms of you know, impressive games, 282 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.360 there's statistically a big drop off because Butler was just 283 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.200 insane unbelievable. But who else impressed you? 284 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.000 Yeah? Uh oh take away it would be the first. Yeah, 285 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.519 I mean not just because he was the second landing scorer, 286 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.159 but he closed them out right. It felt like kind 287 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:27.039 of all game he was just playing his role, nothing crazy, 288 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:29.879 did a nice job. And then you know, last couple 289 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.679 of minutes they really put They pushed a lot of 290 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:36.399 their eggs into the stop Lamont. Butler asked, basket did 291 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:37.559 Louisville as they should have? 292 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:38.480 In oh way? 293 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.279 You know, had the steal on the Waterman pass breakaway donk. 294 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.320 He had a tough finish at the rim for a 295 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.240 three point play, about the gutsiest shot of them all. 296 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.399 And I did hear Pope. I didn't listen to all Pope, 297 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.440 but I heard him talk about this at the end 298 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.600 where you know it's a three. I forget what the 299 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.279 score was, but one minute left and there's still like 300 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:57.600 sixteen or twenty seconds on the shot clock, and Oa 301 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:00.440 pulls up a corner three and you're like, oh what, Oh, 302 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:04.519 it's good, okay, good shot, all right? So I thought 303 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:07.960 he was fantastic in the final minutes. You know, you 304 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.000 mentioned to Marion Williams, I do. I don't know if 305 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:14.480 it was brought up why he only played sixteen minutes, 306 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.399 but I actually thought he played really well when he 307 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.600 was in there. I know there's still some things he's 308 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.679 got to clean up, finishing at the rim, but sixteen minutes, 309 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.960 he gave you eight rebounds and four assis at the 310 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.919 center position in only sixteen minutes, did a nice job, 311 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.039 and no turnovers. So that's exactly right. So thought he 312 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:34.000 played well. And then another guy I think he's got 313 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.440 to give some love to and not didn't fill up 314 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.080 the stat sheet at all. But Travis Perry came in 315 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:42.639 and they didn't. They he was a plus ten in 316 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:45.639 those seven minutes he played, So that means Lamont, who 317 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.559 was by far the best player on the court Saturday, 318 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.080 came off, but he was never in the game with Travis. Right, 319 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:55.559 So those seven minutes that Travis played, Kentucky still outscored 320 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:57.759 Louisville by ten, which ends up being the difference in 321 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.000 the game. And that's because Perry did a really good 322 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.440 job defending Ryan Smith. He only turned it over once 323 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:05.919 he got the ball where it needed to be. He 324 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.360 didn't go hunting a shot. He just kind of took 325 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:11.919 what was there passing wise and kept the offensive float. 326 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.440 So those are the other guys I think deserve some 327 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:16.559 credit for us for that one on Saturday. 328 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.440 I can be a little skeptical about plus minus because 329 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:22.840 I've seen instances where kids who have a great game 330 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:25.679 but they're on the losing teams that are plus minus 331 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.519 is poor, But that just means the guys around him 332 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:31.720 didn't play well. But I think you are right about 333 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:34.440 Travis Perry. They were kind of stealing minutes with him. 334 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:36.720 Yeah, that's exactly right. 335 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.960 And there were a couple of cases, and you probably 336 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.399 heard me saying it upstairs, where it's like, oh, I 337 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:43.759 don't know if that's the spot. Yeah, pick your spot. 338 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:45.240 You did Kentucky just went. 339 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:45.559 On a run. 340 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.080 I don't know if you want to give him amnumo. 341 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:48.600 Kentucky just gave. 342 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:48.879 Up a run. 343 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.159 I don't know if this is the spot. And in 344 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.399 every single spot he seems to be just fine. So 345 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:57.360 I think that that's a credit to Travis on the 346 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.600 defensive end more than anything. And yeah, plus minus definitely 347 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.559 could be misleading. I think it's more of a nice 348 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.640 stat when you win to kind of see how it impacted, 349 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.799 or it's a close or in a close loss like 350 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.799 the Clemson game. Lamont was a plus seventeen and Kirk 351 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.519 cries it was a negative twenty one, So that to 352 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:17.160 me is very telling. But you're right, it can definitely 353 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:19.559 be a misleading stat. But I think in this instance 354 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.079 where you know, those mints were when Lebron Butler, who 355 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:25.480 was the best player be flore was out of the game, 356 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:27.559 and you're still able to outscore your opponent by ten, 357 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:31.000 I mean, Travis Perry did something right before we. 358 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:32.720 Got the break. Let me ask you about the upcoming 359 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:38.000 game in Madison Square Garden, Ohio State, which just got torched, 360 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:42.079 I mean boat raced by Auburn. I don't know how 361 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:43.480 much of that game you got to see by the 362 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:46.000 time I got there. It was always a joke. But 363 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.839 first of all, I've been to the Garden several times 364 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.279 for pro games in college games. Love it. I covered 365 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:58.359 the NIT in nineteen seventy six start to finish four 366 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:02.880 games Kentucky one. Not exactly the same building, I know, 367 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.759 but still it was a great experience. But did have 368 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:08.720 you spent a lot of time there growing up in 369 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:09.519 that part of the world. 370 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:13.519 Yeah, yep, yep, I've I went to several Knicks games 371 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:17.160 growing up, and this will be my third or fourth 372 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.880 college basketball game there. This will be my second Kentucky 373 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.279 game covering. I was at the CBS Classic two years 374 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.480 ago in Kentucky Loft to UCLA. I was there as 375 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.960 a fan for the Jimmy V Classic last year for 376 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:32.640 it was Yukon, North Carolina and sau and Illinois. So yeah, 377 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:34.839 watched a lot of basketball in this building. Been a 378 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.960 couple of concerts in this building. So always super fun 379 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.039 for me to be in there, and especially when Kentucky's 380 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:43.519 there and getting to cover that. So definitely can't wait. 381 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:45.920 And it's a game that you just mentioned how they 382 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.960 got blitzed by Auburn, though Ohio State did beat a 383 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.759 Rutgers team that has two, you know, lottery picks in 384 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.559 Harper and Bailey, So it's kind of like they're a 385 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.720 hot and cold team. But it's team Kentucky should have 386 00:18:58.759 --> 00:18:59.839 their way with in my opinion. 387 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.039 Talking to Aaron Gershean and the Cats balls, we'll come 388 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.000 back and shift to football. We'll talk some portal traffic 389 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:12.680 in just a minute here in the state Wide BBI. 390 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:17.640 Aaron Gershan is with us here on the state wide 391 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.599 edition of the Big Women Sider Border to Border pike 392 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:24.279 Ville two. Paducca and Aaron and you have been tweeting 393 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.200 and writing about the portal, of course, keeping an eye 394 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.279 on things, and it's like every hour there's something new. 395 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.640 But you've tweeted a little bit about quarterbacks and old lineman. 396 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.400 What can you tell Kentucky fans at this hour? We 397 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:40.400 lost Aaron, So we'll come back and we'll re establish 398 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:42.720 with Aaron. What I was asking him about was the 399 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:47.359 fact that he tweeted about more than one quarterback who's 400 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:53.119 in the portal. And of course Mark Stoops mentioned that 401 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:57.119