WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:03.600 The Projection Booth podcast is sponsored by Scarecrow Video. Try 2 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:06.799 out Scarecrow's rent by mail service. Choose from over one 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:09.759 hundred and fifty thousand films and give Blu rays, four 4 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:13.640 k's and DVDs delivered directly to your door. Visit scarecrow 5 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:14.839 dot com today. 6 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:25.039 Oh g is, folks, it's showtime. People say, good money 7 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:25.960 to see this movie. 8 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:28.839 When they go out to a theater, they want clothed sodas, 9 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:30.359 pop popcorn in. 10 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:34.799 No monsters in the Projection Booth. Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 11 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:56.039 Got it off? Don't let them now destroy this forever. 12 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:07.599 One filmmaker has always been ahead of his time. 13 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:18.560 Go now. 14 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:25.040 From visionary writer and director Francis Ford Coppola comes an 15 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.439 event nothing can prepare you for. 16 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:35.920 Imagine today's society has a branch of civilization about to 17 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:36.840 reach it. Dead end. 18 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:42.000 Is this way we're living. 19 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:49.359 The only one that's available to us. My plan is 20 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.599 I say that people can dream about made uppers. 21 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:54.680 What about those standing in your way? 22 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:02.680 You like it the way it is? People don't need dreams. 23 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:07.319 People need help now. Don't let them now destroy the forever. 24 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:14.039 We're in need of a great to take about the usure. 25 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:20.840 Enjoy the show one, two three, hippie. 26 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:46.759 There's still so much to accomplish, but it's ther time, my. 27 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.240 Sco Francis Ford Coppola's. 28 00:02:51.400 --> 00:03:03.639 Meg, Welcome to the Projection booth. 29 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.599 I'm your host. Mike White joined me once again as 30 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:06.879 mister Rob Saint Mary. 31 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.280 Don't let the now destroy the forever. 32 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:12.439 Also back in the booth is mister Mike Thompson. 33 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:17.639 Time stop. It didn't work, Oh well, next time. 34 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.199 In September of twenty twenty three, the New York Times 35 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:22.680 positive that men think about the Roman Empire at least 36 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.520 once a week, if not once a day. I don't, 37 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.520 but since September of twenty twenty four, I have thought 38 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.719 about Francis Ford Coppolis Megalopolis at least once a week, 39 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.719 if not once a day. But can you blame me? 40 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:39.439 Megalopolis is Francis Ford Copalis self financed passion project that 41 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.280 was one over forty years in the making. It's the 42 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.680 story of Caesar Catalina, a man named after not one, 43 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.800 but two kinds of salad dressings. He's a troubled genius 44 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.280 who no one appreciates. Write what you know, Francis. He's 45 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:56.479 the creator of a substance called Megalon, which is named 46 00:03:56.479 --> 00:04:00.039 after the creature that battled and lost against Godzilla. What 47 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.919 does Megalon do? Is it a building material? Is it 48 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:05.680 a medical miracle? Is it a floor wax? Is it 49 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:06.680 a dessert topping? 50 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.879 Shut up? It does what I say it? Stop asking questions? 51 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.159 If anything, I think we need to really talk about 52 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.240 what the heck this movie is about and see if 53 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:18.800 we can make some sense of it. I can warn you, 54 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:21.360 dear listener, that there are no spoilers for this movie. 55 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:25.720 It cannot be spoiled. It can only be pondered. So, Rob, 56 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:28.759 when was the first time you saw Megalopolis and what 57 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:29.439 did you think? 58 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:31.759 Well, as soon as I heard that it would be 59 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:33.600 in the theater, I got there as quick as I 60 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:37.079 could because I knew it would not last long, and 61 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:39.480 so I think it only played locally here where I'm 62 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.399 at for about a week. My initial reaction is, I 63 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.839 hope Francis had fun. I hope he had a lot 64 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.839 of fun, because that's a lot of money. I hope 65 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:51.319 it does exactly what he wanted it to do, because 66 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.439 at times I don't know exactly what he wanted to do. 67 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.519 You know, it's fifty pounds of ideas and a five 68 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.600 pounds so sit casing, so it's there's a lot spilling 69 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.480 out all over the place. I'm glad I'm here with 70 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:08.040 y'all because it's gonna be fun to talk about it. 71 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.680 And mister Toompson, I know where you were because we 72 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.439 saw this movie together. You want to give your initial impressions. 73 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.040 I just remember when it was over, the first thing 74 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:24.480 I said was wow, and you just said yeah. 75 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:24.439 Oh. 76 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:25.759 I didn't say platinum. 77 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:28.959 I was reacting to the song they were playing at 78 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.079 the end, because I was very excited that they that 79 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.800 the was there. I don't get to hear them at 80 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:37.800 the movies very often. But then your reaction immediately to me, 81 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.720 oh wait, wait, let's think about the movie for a 82 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:43.000 second instead of this song, which is now washing away 83 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:46.120 this experience, at least for the moment. I've seen many 84 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.519 many movies where things don't feel connected. This one, though, 85 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.759 really like seemed to strive for that. It was almost 86 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.120 like trying to be stream of consciousness in some respects, 87 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:59.920 but also not clearly not wanting to do that. It's 88 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.480 it's just even watching it again, it just feels very 89 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.839 much like just like Rob was saying, there are a 90 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.279 zillion ideas in here, Hardly any of them are fully explored. 91 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:12.160 Hardly any of them are even fully addressed. They just 92 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.639 he throws something in and it's like, Okay, I've got 93 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:18.079 to get back to the story, you know. But but 94 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.680 yeah that I just remember walking out and standing in 95 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.160 that hallway like we usually do after the movie. Just 96 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.160 it's sort of in shock, I think, and yet not surprised. 97 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.240 No, not surprised at all. I mean, we saw the trailers, 98 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.480 we saw that teaser that was out there of Adam 99 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.160 and Drivers standing on the edge of the Chrysler building 100 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.480 feeling very much like Men and Black three but not 101 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:46.600 nearly as good, and saying time stop and apparently he 102 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.360 can also stop gravity because he's pretty much falling off 103 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.399 of it, and also thinking, wow, it's a tribute to 104 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:55.360 the Hudsucker Proxy. I can't wait. This will be great 105 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.360 if somebody shows up as an angel as he's falling down, 106 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.199 or to go back to the and in Black three 107 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:05.279 of it, he suddenly transports and starts to battle against 108 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.240 Jermaine Clement. One of those options would have been so 109 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:12.079 much better than what we got with this, which is Essentially, 110 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.680 it's a film made for blind people because every time 111 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.680 there's text on screen, Larry Fishburne or a bunch of 112 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.319 children will read it to us. So thank you for that. 113 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.279 This is one of the most sensory friendly movies that 114 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.160 you can possibly imagine, because you don't have to think 115 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:29.240 while you're watching it. Larry fishburn will tell you what's 116 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:32.720 going on, or the characters will tell you everything that's 117 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.560 on their mind, no matter what it is. 118 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.959 On my most recent watch for this show, my note 119 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.160 here is feels like a pot smoking college kid who 120 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.000 had some philosophy and history courses and Shakespeare and decided 121 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.399 to write a movie to fit in all of his ideas. 122 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.560 I feel like that that's accurate and yet also generous. 123 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:52.560 At the same time. 124 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.040 There's a YouTuber that I watched, Steve Schives, and his 125 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.800 opening to his little review question mark was this feels 126 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:05.120 like an Iron Rand novel directed by Edwood, and I 127 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.959 felt that that was kind of unfair to Edwood. 128 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.639 Yeah, I mean I would have enjoyed it if it 129 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:16.480 had Edwards, not special effects, but symbolic effects. There's another 130 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.079 movie we'll talk about later that came out the same year, 131 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.480 and I'm like, I can't believe that they only spent 132 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:26.319 ten percent, like the catering budget probably of this movie 133 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.040 to make a film that dealt with an architect in 134 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:31.439 a really interesting way. 135 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:35.559 Not to jump into the documentary already, but yeah, when 136 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:38.399 watching that and just those little things they would show 137 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:40.120 of like this is how much they're spending on this, 138 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.480 and this is how much they're spending on that, and like, oh, 139 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.200 he's gonna buy this hotel and convert it into it. Like, 140 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.279 just like the movie itself, these are all bad decisions, 141 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:53.879 Like you're just you're just pouring money away. Yes, you're 142 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:58.000 spending all this time to create this atmosphere, and you're 143 00:08:58.039 --> 00:08:59.360 spending all this time in the movie to do the 144 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.200 same thing, but it doesn't amount to anything. It doesn't 145 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:04.799 come together in any way. One of the things I 146 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:08.919 was thinking about when I was rereading the two hundred 147 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:12.960 and twelve page script was and I mentioned this to 148 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.759 you earlier, Mike, was that the script is actually, I 149 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.960 hate to say this even but it's like this isn't terrible, 150 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.519 like or not as terrible as the movie. At least 151 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:25.960 this is trying to flesh out these ideas. And then 152 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.240 read after reading that and then watching the movie, it's 153 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.759 like this movie feels like the cliff Notes version of 154 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:36.240 the script, Like you had things completely like maybe too 155 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:38.559 drawn out in the script, but it's you know, it's 156 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:42.480 it's like, Okay, here's how Claudio takes control of the 157 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:44.919 immigrant population. We're gonna spend a lot of time with 158 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:48.159 that in the movie. You know, he's in charge. Now, 159 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.559 that's just what's happening. And if you have any questions, 160 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.360 like he said, Laurence Fishburne brought that you know, has 161 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:56.879 has told you or Claudio did. So much of this 162 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:01.120 felt to me like, in a strange way, I'm watching 163 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.720 somebody who's like, I'm spending one hundred and twenty million 164 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:08.919 dollars to not compromise my vision, while I completely compromise 165 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:12.519 my vision. You know, like instead of making this full movie, 166 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:14.000 I'll just make some of it. 167 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:15.960 To start with the beginning. 168 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:21.759 It's noted as a fable, and that to me feels 169 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:27.600 like Coppola is letting himself off the hook that he's saying, 170 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.200 you know, it doesn't all come together. It's a fable. 171 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:38.720 It plays in its own heightened sense, so therefore it's okay. 172 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.080 It's a fable. So my intentions will be on the 173 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:41.679 screen and that will be good enough. 174 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:45.039 I mean, we talked so long ago about the persistence 175 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.600 of plot, but this doesn't even have the persistence of plot. 176 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:50.759 You can't carry through from one scene to another what 177 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:53.679 is supposed to be happening. It's like so many times 178 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.120 we get shorthand when it comes to like well, it's 179 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.759 like the coolest shof effect right where you get this image, 180 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:00.879 you get this image, and you're to make a connection 181 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:04.000 between the two. It feels like there's no connection between 182 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:06.759 these scenes. And sometimes with these images where I'm just 183 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.600 like what did that have to do with this? And 184 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.360 I will say the second time watching this, I was like, Okay, 185 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:15.879 some of this makes a little bit more sense, but 186 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.840 it still feels like it's being taken in shorthand. And 187 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:20.720 there's just so many things where I'm like, well, wait, 188 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.919 how does that play into this? And more than anything, 189 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.240 it's like why should I care? We can talk about 190 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:31.200 Max Landis's cinematic masterpiece Bright as much as we want to, 191 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.559 and think about how can there be a world of 192 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.440 Orcs where Shrek is still a movie kind of thing? 193 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:41.840 This is like we're in New Rome, but everything's exactly 194 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.879 the same, other than people wear different clothes and they 195 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.440 have cell phones because Claudio's passing out one hundred dollars 196 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.960 bills with a cell phone number on it, but nobody 197 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:55.000 actually uses a cell phone. I think one time in 198 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:57.879 this entire movie, it's just really it's strange. I'm not 199 00:11:57.879 --> 00:11:59.840 going to focus on the cell phone thing, but it's 200 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:03.559 just like, Okay, so this is Rome, but it looks 201 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.360 exactly the same as New York City. And yes, I 202 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:08.919 mean you're talking about the symbolic effects of Edwood. It 203 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.159 feels like there's so many times where it's just like, well, 204 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.480 this is a metaphor. The whole thing of him stopping 205 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:17.320 time has absolutely nothing to do with any fucking thing 206 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:21.919 in this entire movie. It happens what two three times 207 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.240 happens at the end of the movie, happens to the beginning. 208 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.799 He loses his power at one point manages to get 209 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:31.919 it back because of love. But stopping time has nothing 210 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:33.759 to do with this film. And there's so many things 211 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:35.879 where it's like that has nothing to do with the 212 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:37.200 actual movie itself. 213 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.639 The big theme that I get is the one Great 214 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:44.200 Man narrative. So he has this whole thing with and 215 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:46.639 we can get into the history of New York with 216 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.440 the whole you know, Jane Jacobs Robert Moses, because he's 217 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:52.720 kind of a Robert Moses character. He's he's doing this 218 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.320 like urban renewal, Right, He's gonna tear down this slum 219 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.080 and build this beautiful thing, and that's going to revitalize 220 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:02.919 New York New Rome. And this was the battle that 221 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.679 you know, Robert Moses did in the sixties where he 222 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.080 did this to the city and Jane Jacobs was his 223 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.840 you know nemesis, who was like, no, like you think 224 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.399 of the people in the community and everything you're destroying. 225 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:17.000 He has this push pull tension with the One Great 226 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.000 Man narrative where it's like he won't embrace it enough, 227 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:21.960 like like he wants to embrace it, but at the 228 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.120 same time he's like it's anti democratic and you know, 229 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:28.559 this isn't for the people, and so it seems like 230 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.759 he wants to embrace it while saying, yes, give me 231 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.720 the power. I'm the artist, I'm sensitive. I can lead 232 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.600 you to the future. But those people who want to 233 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.279 do the same thing over there and this, you know this, 234 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.879 I'm the one Great Man banner. No, like like they're bad, 235 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.679 like just follow me as the one great man narrative. 236 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:51.679 So he has this push pull tension with that, and 237 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:57.600 so it's just muddled. Like I say, it's this philosophical 238 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.399 muddling that you know, if he could have found a 239 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.759 way to do that, but then again, he couldn't focus 240 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.799 on a character that basically is a stand in for him. 241 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.759 Our main character is such a shithead throughout the entire 242 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:15.399 thing that I don't empathize with Caesar Ketalina ever, and 243 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.799 I don't think I empathize with anyone in this film. 244 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.000 This whole thing that you're talking about, Robert Moses, is 245 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:24.000 that kind of the thread of Motherless Brooklyn Because I 246 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.639 finally watched that one recently, where it's this whole like 247 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.960 it felt very Chinatown as far as we have these 248 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:35.120 buildings that are going up, nobody knows who's approving these things, 249 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.480 and it felt like there were all these machinations at 250 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:39.840 city Hall kind of stuff. 251 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:42.639 I can't say that I know all the particulars of 252 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.679 that history, but I know that it was this part 253 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:47.320 of this whole thing. I mean, it even happened to 254 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:49.480 try to a certain extent, you know where we're from 255 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.519 that there was this whole you know, urban renewal, and 256 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:54.240 it's like, we got to clear the slums and we 257 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.000 put the freeways through, and this will be the great 258 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.679 you know, future city that we want, you know, Delta City, 259 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.320 Proble Cup. So it's all, it's just all of this 260 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:08.679 aspect of well, I know better than you. I'm the 261 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:12.679 great artist, I'm the visionary, and because I'm the visionary, 262 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:13.759 I should get to do this. 263 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.360 Is that you saying that that's Caesar Catalina or is 264 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.480 that you saying that's Francis for a Coppola or is 265 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:20.480 that yes to both? 266 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:23.039 I think it's I think it's a combo, you know, 267 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.399 because when you look at the documentary later, he talks 268 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:28.639 about the value of art and the artist and the 269 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:29.639 strong artist and. 270 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:29.960 All of this. 271 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.519 And I do see that in the in the Adam 272 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.519 Driver character, and that he's like I have this vision 273 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:38.919 and I have this you know, people don't trust him, 274 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.519 you know. It's like he's got this mysterious goop that 275 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.600 he can do things with and he killed his wife 276 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:49.720 and there's all of this background on who he is 277 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.240 and why he's sinister, and people don't appreciate him. 278 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.879 And it's this stuff he's got send stuff. 279 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:58.039 I don't know what it is, I don't know where 280 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:05.159 it comes from, but it will. 281 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.720 Give you one hair of a headache. I definitely see 282 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.360 it as both, and it's like Copola wants to have 283 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.480 it both ways too, where it's like Caesar's a great man, 284 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.039 but he's also flawed, you know, because he's he's he 285 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.320 does all these terror he does all these terrible things. 286 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.159 But it's okay he does the terrible things because that's 287 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.399 when people how he gets people to listen to him, 288 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.799 because because if you're good all the time, then nobody cares. 289 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:30.120 In one sense. I'm like, you know, there, there's probably 290 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.879 something there there, There probably is some there probably is 291 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.399 a story there. It's not in this movie, but you know, 292 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:40.600 I see. But again, it's there's just this overwhelming feeling 293 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:45.039 of intention, intention, intention, with no execution, no payoff, nothing. 294 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.840 The story is a little labyrinthine when it comes to 295 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:53.480 Caesar versus Cicero, and Cicero is the mayor of New York, 296 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:58.720 Cicero is Gihn Carlo Esposito. We should say that there 297 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:03.399 are many versions of Megalopolis. There's the script that might 298 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.920 refer to there's the comic book version of this. There's 299 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.240 what we see in Megadoc, which we'll talk about after 300 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:15.440 the jump, and then there's the movie itself. And there's 301 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.279 even you know, rumors and things of stuff that you 302 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.000 can kind of see throughout the forty something year history 303 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:24.279 of this. I mean, there was a period of time, 304 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.440 what was it like ninety nine when he was going 305 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:31.519 to make this a Chinichita and call it something other 306 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.720 than Megalapolis. It was like the return of Caesar Catalina 307 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:36.480 or something like that. I can't remember, but it was 308 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.759 like he's been making this and remaking it. I mean 309 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.440 there's talk of like, oh, he had five volumes worth 310 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.079 of notes and wrote four hundred pages within you know, 311 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.920 the first year of really working on this back in 312 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.400 eighty three. He'd been thinking of it since the late seventies. Anyway, 313 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.759 when it comes to this, it's like I mix up 314 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.279 some of these versions. So when it comes to the 315 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:06.039 John Void character Crassus, right, is he the uncle of everybody? 316 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:09.799 Because I think like Claudio who's played by Shia la 317 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:15.480 buff and Caesar Katalina are both cousins, okay, all right? 318 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:17.880 And then again and then the Mayor's kind of in 319 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:22.359 a separate thing as Cicero and he's got his daughter. 320 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:28.880 And then while Platinum, that Aubrey Plaza character, she's sleeping 321 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:32.480 with Adam Driver, whose wife, like you said, is dead 322 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.319 ish maybe. 323 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.880 Depends on which version we're talking about. 324 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:42.400 And she's sleeping with him. He's not into her that 325 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.839 much anymore, I guess, and so she plots and starts 326 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.119 sleeping with John Void and becomes his new bride. 327 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.279 That all of the things that you just said happened 328 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:53.039 in this movie. 329 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:55.720 All of those exists, but it took a long time 330 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:58.200 to sort that stuff out because it feels like at 331 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:02.720 times there are ten twelve main characters on screen at 332 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:03.200 one time. 333 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.720 The original script was even worse. There are multiple characters 334 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.359 who got you know, combined into a single character. But yeah, 335 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.599 it's just the way you just described it in terms 336 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:15.880 of all the different versions and how long he's been 337 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:17.920 working on it just makes me think like, this is 338 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.680 what happens when you have an idea for too long 339 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.799 and you just grind it into well this. 340 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.160 Well, we talked about that on the fifth Element episode 341 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.039 where I was just like, you can tell that Luke 342 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.599 Wassan had this idea when he was a kid. And 343 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.799 he probably worked on it so long that the first 344 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:36.319 time I watched it, I was like, it feels like 345 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:40.359 there's such a rich tapestry here, but it's completely opaque, 346 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.960 Like it's too taking me a long time to ever 347 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:45.480 get into the fifth element, just because it was so 348 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.039 dense with lore that was all behind the scenes. And 349 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:51.559 it feels like this movie is just one hundred percent 350 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:55.440 behind the scenes lore, and it feels like Francis is 351 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:57.839 the only one who can connect this stuff, and he's 352 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:01.519 not telling a story. It feels like he's shirking the 353 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:05.640 responsibilities of a director by not telling a story to us. 354 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.200 One of the things that I thought when you mentioned 355 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:12.519 that there were all these ancillary pieces, you know, I mean, 356 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:15.000 the doc is its own thing. I don't include that 357 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.720 as part of this, but the fact that there is 358 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.599 a graphic novel that reminds me of when we did 359 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:21.480 Southlane tails. 360 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:24.599 Fuck, yes, you're gonna hear that a lot of this episode. 361 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.079 Yes, And there's part of me and I said that 362 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:31.279 on that episode. If the film itself is its own thing, 363 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:33.680 doesn't stand on its own And I got to go 364 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:36.160 read a bunch of comic books or watch a bunch 365 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:38.440 of short films or all this other stuff in order 366 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:41.519 to make everything make sense. Then it doesn't work as 367 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.039 its own item. Like I appreciate the extras if you 368 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.839 want to build out an entire universe past that two 369 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:50.960 hours that you want me to spend with it, But 370 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.319 I shouldn't have to spend days rappling with all of 371 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:56.359 this in order for it to come together. 372 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:57.200 It should come. 373 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.920 Together in this version in two hours, and all the 374 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.000 the other stuff is ancillary and it adds it in riches. 375 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:06.440 It does not need all of this filigree in order 376 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:07.200 for it to make sense. 377 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.160 This is not to be an apologist or anything, but 378 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:14.279 the graphic novel of Megalopolis is just a Marvel super 379 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:18.200 special movie tie in kind of thing. There's nothing extra 380 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:21.000 there except I was saying to earlier at Mike, like, 381 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:24.920 there's except one scene that's not in the movie that 382 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:28.000 was shown in the documentary is in the comic book. 383 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:31.039 But even the comic book is sort of for me. 384 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:34.920 It was sort of a perfect finishing experience for this, because, 385 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:37.319 like I said, the cliff notes thing like this was 386 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:39.039 like the cliff notes to the movie, which is a 387 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.359 cliff notes to a script. I don't think I would 388 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.400 have understood that. If I just read the comic without 389 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.720 having seen any of this stuff, I would not have 390 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.759 understood what was happening in it. And I think that again, 391 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:53.480 is like you're saying, Mike, so much of this exists 392 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:58.240 and has existed in Copla's head for so long that 393 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.559 for him it's like no, no, no, it's all there. 394 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.000 It's no, it's only there for you. It's not there 395 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:05.160 for anyone else. 396 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.039 When we get so many of these characters together for 397 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:11.839 the first time, because we're introducing so many of these 398 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.319 folks individually, I think Julia is introduced around the same 399 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.440 time that Claudio is, and but then we get Mayor 400 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:21.200 Ciso on his own, and then we get that scene, 401 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:24.720 and it's one of two scenes that take place like 402 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:27.119 on an elevated thing, because we're going to talk about 403 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:29.599 the girders later on that are all elevated. Here it's 404 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.680 an elevation above a model of the city, and it's 405 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:39.440 Mayor Cisro unveiling like, oh, here's my plan to revitalize 406 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.880 the city. It's this new casino and it looks completely gaudy, 407 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:45.960 looks like, you know, Biff Hannan's casino that he had 408 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.680 back to the future too, maybe like a certain casino 409 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:54.519 that was in Atlantic City, something like that. Incomes Adam 410 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.799 Driver and he just starts doing the to be or 411 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.880 not to be speech from Hamlet. And from what I understand, 412 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.680 they would have actors do and we see this in 413 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:08.640 Mega doc and we'll talk about that more later, but 414 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:12.160 they would have actors do all of these exercises, and 415 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:17.240 him doing Shakespeare was an acting exercise. It is not 416 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.880 what he says in the script. He eventually kind of 417 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.480 gets to the point. But doing the entire to be 418 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:28.240 or not to be? Why is that even in this movie? 419 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:32.039 What is that doing here? Really does nothing other than 420 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:36.240 show me how many phrases we actually take from Shakespeare, 421 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.400 which is kind of amazing. And when I'm listening to 422 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.559 him going oh, yeah, oh that's a phrase, Oh this 423 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:44.039 mortal quot Okay, all right, that's oh slings and arrows. Yeah, 424 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.359 that's good. But it's like, what the fuck. It's so 425 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:50.599 this movie's so self indulgent, and it's like, you're spending 426 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.599 all this time and money to shoot this, why don't 427 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.039 you actually just stick to the story. If the story 428 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:58.440 is the thing that we should be paying attention to. 429 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:03.920 And that's staging on the I'm basically this elevated walkway. 430 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:08.079 It feels very theatrical. And that's the thing that I wrote, 431 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.119 is I go, you know, couple to me wants this 432 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.599 to be oporetic, Like it almost feels like with the 433 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:19.079 Shakespeare stuff with the big scale, that he just wants 434 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:23.119 this to be so overwhelmingly huge. And maybe this is 435 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:26.519 just in my head because it didn't that one didn't work, 436 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.079 but I think I have a more of a fondness 437 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.599 for it was I saw one from the Heart maybe 438 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:34.519 like a year ago when they reissued it at the theater, 439 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:38.680 and I can understand why audiences didn't want that in 440 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.319 nineteen eighty two or three whenever. 441 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:41.599 That was done. 442 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:44.160 But at least that one kind of had more of 443 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.720 a you know, it was operatic and big, and that 444 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:49.200 one seemed to have more of a held together a 445 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.200 little bit better. For me here, I'm trying to figure 446 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.680 out why why would you stage this like that? Like 447 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.000 is it just because you think it looks cool as 448 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.680 opposed to is that the best way to bring out 449 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.880 the ideas of the scene and the characters, Like I 450 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.039 don't understand why this is like staged at like a 451 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.880 height and it's obviously over you know, it's up in 452 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:16.160 the air somewhere. I'm just and yeah, like like in 453 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:19.039 a big beer house. I'm like, huh, you're right. 454 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.839 It's like in Jesus Christ Superstar when they're all on 455 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:25.720 like the building platforms and stuff. Yeah, this does feel 456 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:27.799 very much like something I would go to the Fisher 457 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:30.640 Theater and see, like, Ooh, isn't the stage and cool? 458 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:32.839 They're all above this model of the city and they 459 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:36.039 all have these very particular ways that they're moving around 460 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.799 and stuff. And then we're going to iris in on things, 461 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:41.960 which seems to be the thing that he keeps loving 462 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.160 to do on this is irising in for close ups. 463 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.920 All I could think is like, Okay, are they supposed 464 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:50.480 to be like the gods looking down in this city 465 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:52.640 and all the things that they're going to, you know, 466 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.319 and here they are fighting and all that. But to 467 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.400 both of your points, like, there's nothing there to say. 468 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:01.480 Even if that is the idea, here's like it doesn't 469 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.720 it's not conveying anything. And one of the things you 470 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:06.839 just said, Mike, that I was thinking about when you're 471 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.160 talking about, oh, he introduces this person to this person 472 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:10.839 like you know, thinking about it, I don't know if 473 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.680 he introduced anybody. He just drops right into this, to 474 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.640 this whole thing. It's like, Okay, this is so and 475 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:18.759 so like wild Plattinum, I feel it's the only person 476 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.640 who announces herself. Keep going back to the same place 477 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:23.720 of just feeling like, Okay, where is the other half 478 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.839 of this movie? Or where is the rest of this movie? 479 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:28.759 Not that I necessarily want to see it, but I 480 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.559 just feel like it has to be somewhere. 481 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.160 Yeah, absolutely, I mean at some place. There's all this 482 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.599 footage of Harvey kai tell as this being character. 483 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:39.160 I'm trying to hold off about everything I want to 484 00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:44.319 say about the documentary and the earlier footage. Man, Like, I. 485 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.680 Kept wondering if Adam Driver is the best actor for 486 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:47.319 this role. 487 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.200 He wasn't the first choice for this iteration. He wanted 488 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:58.599 what did Oscar Isaac? And he passed wisely, Because I 489 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:00.759 was thinking about that while I was reward watching it yesterday, 490 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.440 like well, what would it have been better? No? I 491 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:05.359 just would have felt bad for him too. 492 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.480 With the ultra performance that he's giving. At times, I'm like, 493 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:13.880 couldn't you call up your nephew Nick Cage? And get 494 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:15.680 him in here. I know he's way too old for 495 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.440 the role, which is sad to say, but I'm not 496 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.240 expecting Adam Driver to go off the deep end. I 497 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.000 mean some of the dialogue while you're just like, what 498 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.640 are they even saying? Like is this English? Like when 499 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.359 he has his first confrontation with Wild Platinum, I'm just like, 500 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:36.559 what are they even talking about? And even knowing their relationship, afterwards, 501 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.240 I was like, I still don't get it. They just 502 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:39.960 seem to be talking around each. 503 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:43.799 Other conversation that it isn't enough. It's the questions that 504 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.759 lead it to the next step. But initially you have 505 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.880 to have a conversation. The city itself is immaterial, but 506 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.799 they're talking about it for the first time. 507 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.000 And it's not just about us talking about it. 508 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:58.480 It's the need to talk about it. 509 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.880 It's his urgent to us as water. 510 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:02.440 Is it getting messier? 511 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:04.559 In you mess? What mess? 512 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.440 Not only that, but go into that scene. Go into 513 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:13.319 that scene where they're in I think it's in her apartment. 514 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:14.359 Her very messy apartment. 515 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.400 Yes, it's the place in which I think she's laying 516 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.599 on the bed and he's kind of standing over her talking. 517 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:26.559 If you listen to his rhythm and intonation he's doing Coppola, 518 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:31.680 it sounds exactly like how Francis speaks. If you have 519 00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:35.480 ever heard Francis for a Copola in an interview, that's 520 00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:37.920 what he sounds like. And there was part of me 521 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.039 that just went, wow, we're not even trying to hide this, 522 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:41.400 are we? 523 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.319 And that, to me is one of the reasons I 524 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.200 got thinking when I was watching it again, like, so, 525 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.720 this is why you change the ending from the script then, right, 526 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.480 because now you know, when you were younger, you could 527 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.119 go ahead and have this more tragic ending, but now 528 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:01.960 that it's just become this very as you're saying, transparent 529 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.799 metaphor for you and making this movie and your aspirations, 530 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.559 the ending needs to be upbeat because you want this 531 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:13.160 to be, you know, this great moment. And it's just like, no, 532 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.839 and it just I'm not saying the original ending in 533 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:20.240 that script was was better, but it in a strange way, 534 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.519 it rang truer to me than what happens here. 535 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:26.279 Consider that over the last ten years we've been dealing 536 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.000 with a real estate moguls from New York who has 537 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:35.160 become the great man authoritarian, And there's part of me 538 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.680 that feels like he's trying to push back on that 539 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:43.680 while embracing aspects of the Great Man narrative. It's he's 540 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.160 kind of stuck where he's like, well, I love the 541 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.119 great Man narrative, like you know that the hero's journey, 542 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.240 who's gonna lead all of us, you know, forward, But 543 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.119 at the same time, we got to deal with this guy. 544 00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.440 And he yeah, that's not good. 545 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.000 The great Man is fine as long as it's me, right. 546 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:01.720 I'm the one. 547 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.519 I'm the one who knows everything. 548 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:06.079 It's not Cicero. 549 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:11.720 Cicero doesn't know anything. Cicero is a jerk who apparently 550 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:16.160 prosecuted the case of my wife. Who let's talk about 551 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:18.319 the wife. What the hell happens with the wife? I mean, 552 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:24.240 we have Julia becomes kind of fascinated by Caesar Catalina 553 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.559 and follows him, and we get well, first, the first 554 00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.319 mention of the wife is that scene where they're all 555 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.079 on those not girders but above the city and Cicero 556 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.200 steps up to him. That's the first well, no, actually 557 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.559 not the first use. There's an earlier use of the 558 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.400 iris end kind of effect, but there is a shot 559 00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:49.759 of Cicero in driver's ear in Caesar Catalina's ear and 560 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.200 he starts talking about, you know, whatever happened with your wife? 561 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:57.160 And very cliff Booth of this movie to continuously talk 562 00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.440 about this wife and not really give us an answer 563 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:01.880 about it. So he's in his ear and she's like, 564 00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:03.880 whatever happened with your wife? And nada da da, And 565 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.480 we get this little shot of this woman who looks 566 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.440 a lot like Till the Swinton, but it's not till 567 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.440 the Swinton. It's like, okay, yeah, so what happened with this? 568 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:14.240 And I don't think we ever really find out? Like 569 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.519 she follows him to this kind of grungy apartment building 570 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.680 or something. He goes up and his wife is there 571 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.119 on this bed and he's comforting her and talking with 572 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.839 her and stuff, and I'm just like, Okay, he sees this, 573 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.440 but she doesn't Julia. But Julia seems to be on 574 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.400 his wavelength because she can see him stop time. She 575 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.720 seems to be the only person that sees him stop time. 576 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.759 So I'm like, Okay, well, is he hallucinating this? Is 577 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.799 this really real? Is she on like a different wavelength 578 00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.880 now that is beyond human comprehension and only the great 579 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.079 man Caesar Kendlina can see it. Later on, we get 580 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.279 some shots and we hear about her driving off of 581 00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.000 a bridge and it sounds like she was pregnant at 582 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:57.480 the time. 583 00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:58.400 That's one of the. 584 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.599 Few moments of this film that I like, all of 585 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.160 the body painting that makes this form of a woman 586 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.440 with a fetus inside of her, and then they break 587 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.799 apart and you realize that it's people with body art 588 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.480 on and it's all like, you know, kind of like 589 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:14.799 ultraviolet kind of stuff. I was like, Oh, that's actually 590 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.240 a cool thing France. This way to go. But I 591 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.680 don't know what the fuck ever happened with this woman, 592 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:24.759 and I guess that's the blocker for him and Julie 593 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.160 to get together. And by the way, one other thing, 594 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:31.640 real quick, Julia. We first time we see her, she's 595 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.359 at this club and she's with Claudio and the Claudett's 596 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.680 his three other cousins who I guess he's sleeping with. 597 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:43.240 They keep talking about him sleeping with these girls. Okay, 598 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:49.200 that's what romans do anyway, And that she's also leaning 599 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.559 that way. She's bisexual, if not lesbian, and that's really 600 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.039 big in the script is about like, oh God, you're 601 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.960 sleeping with women, And I guess this whole movie is 602 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:02.079 about her like being you know, now reformed into a heterosexual. 603 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.920 That was like the weird like underlying theme that I 604 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.119 was getting watching this movie is like her now suddenly 605 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.119 like you have to be normalized, You're gonna have a baby, 606 00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:14.400 You're gonna marry this guy, You're gonna settle down, no 607 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.599 more running around, no more being bisexual. 608 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.400 Oh, it's totally in there. 609 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:21.720 Yeah, and just completely appreciating Oh he is the great man, 610 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:23.920 like of course, yeah. 611 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:25.680 He probably has a horse cock, right, Yeah. 612 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.240 And and the whole thing with Shilah buff being in 613 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.319 drag and he's queer as hell in here in his stylization, 614 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.240 and just just this whole thing about you know, which 615 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.319 of course goes to you know, we love Caligula on 616 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:43.400 this on this sh I guess we guess we've done 617 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:44.680 Caligula what three times now? 618 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:45.519 Three times now? 619 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:50.640 Yeah, sexuality and especially bisexuality or you know kind of 620 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.359 you can go anyway as as a sign of decadence. 621 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:59.680 This whole thing about family and traditional heteronormative family, is 622 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.240 it not. It's not a stretch for anyone who knows 623 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:05.880 anything about Francis because Francis, they always say, is very 624 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.239 family oriented, Like if you've seen Heart's Darkness, it's like 625 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.400 he brought his family to the jungle to make a movie. 626 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.119 Like he wants to work with his family. He loves 627 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.800 his family. He's a family guy. And so of course 628 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.519 that's going to be the best thing, that's going to 629 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:21.800 be the most you know. 630 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:22.440 The great thing. 631 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.559 And so to me it falls into that trap of 632 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:32.320 using queerness as as decadence, which is to me kind 633 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:33.840 of outdated a little bit too. 634 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.920 Revenge tastes best when wearing a dress. 635 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.800 That's true. Yeah I think that was an old Klingon proverb. Yes, yeah, yeah. 636 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.159 But the other thing in here, and this goes back 637 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.880 to you know, the great man, is that he even 638 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.719 says Driver's character even says at one point, my Emersonian mind. 639 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:59.519 So I decided to go and look up what Emersonian means. 640 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.159 So individualism, self reliance, the condition of the nature in 641 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:10.559 nature and the soul together, critical thinking, and rising your 642 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:17.760 instincts over social conformity. So again he's just layering on this. 643 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.599 I'm a great man because I live by my instincts. 644 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.480 But isn't there even a lie though in there where 645 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:25.960 he literally says, instincts are overrated. 646 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:28.639 Everyone else's, everyone else's. 647 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.360 The fact that she's also a woman of color doesn't 648 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.000 really feel very good to me either, And that Cicero, 649 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.920 our enemy, is also a person of color. I mean 650 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.559 John Carlo Esposito, He's got a very interesting background, but 651 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.400 he definitely seems to be coded as black in this 652 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.559 as well as her, as well as of course Laurence Fishburne, 653 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.000 who is his manservant. And I'm just like, wow, that 654 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.159 really leaves a bad taste in my mouth as well. 655 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.039 And like you said, yeah, Claudio being very queer coded. 656 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.800 And I'll be completely honest, when Mike and I saw 657 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.440 this at the theater, I had no idea that was 658 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.880 Shilah buff because of the whole thing with the lack 659 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:11.400 of eyebrows. I could not place him for the longest time. 660 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.800 And it wasn't until he starts to grow his eyebrows 661 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.360 back then I think I was like, oh, okay. And 662 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.039 then like dB, Cooper is also in this movie looking 663 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:20.719 a lot. 664 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:25.480 Like no, no, no, dB, sweety sweetey. Yeah, he's in 665 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:26.199 another place. 666 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.679 He's the guy that sole all that money and jumped 667 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:30.719 out of the airplane. Yeah, so dbe Sweeney's in this 668 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.719 movie and he's an ice hockey player and he's teaching 669 00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.840 this girl how to figure scot Wait no. 670 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.440 No, no, no, no, no, you're confusing. He's he's the best 671 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.199 friend of this guy who died but made a deal 672 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.400 with the devil and has now come back as a superhero. 673 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:48.760 Dad, That's what it was. Yeah, But he's also rocking 674 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.599 the no eyebrow look. And when he's got the no 675 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.840 eyebrow thing, I'm like, he looks like, oh, and I'm 676 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.960 going to fuck up. Another person's saying Frederick Forrest, who 677 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.719 I don't why he was even alive at this point 678 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.599 when they made this movie. And I know, like I 679 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:07.000 think the Hoffman character was originally supposed to be James Kahn, right, 680 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.760 and Hoffman's character, what the fuck's going on with this character? 681 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.119 He just shows up a couple times in that and 682 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.239 then he has the weirdest and we'll talk about his death. 683 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.360 We'll talk about the Weirdest not off screen, but it 684 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.079 might as well be off screen death. 685 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:22.760 And I want to talk more about that. 686 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.519 But like Mike was saying, there's so much about the Duck, 687 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:27.440 Like I can't wait to get to the duck. 688 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.400 But yeah, this whole thing of like we have to 689 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.559 form a family and be normal in all these things. 690 00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:37.119 It just it's it's a weird hill to die on 691 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.079 for this, and even like that kind of to me, 692 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.119 it's kind of racist when Adam Driver does that whole 693 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.639 go back to the club thing, which is one of 694 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.159 the things that makes me laugh the most in this movie, 695 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:50.840 and I feel like I shouldn't be laughing. 696 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.639 Well, I want to learn, and you think one year 697 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.119 of medical school entitles you to plow for the riches 698 00:37:58.159 --> 00:37:59.440 of my Amerzonian mind. 699 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.639 Titles me yes, Entitles me. 700 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.519 Yes, Entitles me yes. 701 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.119 Entitles me yes, Entitles. 702 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.679 Me yes, Entitles me yes. 703 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.679 Entitles me yes, entitles. 704 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.760 Me yes, entitles me yes. 705 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:24.320 You have no idea about me. You think I am nothing, 706 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.079 just a socialite. 707 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.360 No, not nothing, But I reserve my time for people 708 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:34.840 who can think about science and literature and architecture and art. 709 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:40.599 You find me cruel, selfish, and unfeeling. I am. I 710 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.360 work without caring what happens to. 711 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:42.920 Either of us. 712 00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.519 So go back to the club, bear it all and 713 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:48.239 stock the kind of people that you enjoy. 714 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:54.400 Fine, I will Laurence Fishburne like let's talk about great 715 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.880 actor his time rap like slam poetry piece in here, 716 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.440 like with the uh huh again. I feel like that 717 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.760 was another one of those hey just do this, and 718 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.159 he did it, and I think, oh, we're putting that 719 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:07.480 in him. 720 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.280 It feels very Gremlins to Key and Peel. 721 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.280 Skits in the movie Doe. 722 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.599 Oh you want to do the taber. 723 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:17.039 Not to be speech? 724 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:18.480 It's in the movie Doe. 725 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:20.639 Oh, you want to do slam poetry about time? 726 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.199 It's in the movie, Doe. 727 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.519 I feel like some of the actors there were probably like, no, 728 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.280 can we not put that in the movie, Like, oh no, no, no, 729 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:27.960 it's in there. 730 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:29.599 It's in the movie, Doe. 731 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.719 There is a fan editor of this movie, and I 732 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.679 made several requests of the fan editor to send it 733 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.760 to me, but he never got back to me. A 734 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:39.800 lot of the stuff that we're complaining about, like the 735 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.400 taber not to be stuff all cut out. I was like, 736 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.519 is there a good movie inside of this movie. I 737 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.320 don't know if that's true, or is there a movie 738 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:51.920 that just is not as much because this movie is 739 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.840 very much movie. There's very much movie to this movie. 740 00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.559 More is less and yeah, the whole thing of Southland tails. 741 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.719 It is very appropriate, this whole idea of like I 742 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.280 get it, why don't you get it? And this is 743 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.000 my magnum opus. 744 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.000 No one gets it. 745 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.559 At the same time, there's also visually beautiful things in here. 746 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.960 I am not going to deny that it doesn't look good. 747 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.599 There's one thing that I like as a visual that 748 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.000 feels like it would be okay in a music video, 749 00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:25.639 which is the Crumbling Justice. 750 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:28.840 Oh yeah, yeah. The drive through the city is actually 751 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.440 like when the trailer came out, and that was in 752 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.119 the trailer, my wife was like, oh, I think I 753 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.239 want to watch this, and I'm like, you need to 754 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.360 understand that scene there is you've seen it all, like 755 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.800 that's not gonna like there's not going to be any 756 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.159 more of that. But yeah, I completely agree like that 757 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.119 those moments, and that's that's also what makes some of 758 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.679 this like heartbreaking, right, is that you're watching this and 759 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.840 it's like, well, it's not like he doesn't still have 760 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:58.559 something but it but at the same time, like so 761 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:00.679 much is not coming to get there, so much is 762 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.039 just not there, and it just it hurts. 763 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.360 And what hurts, you know, for me as a fan 764 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.039 of his work, is that he can do things. 765 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:10.360 He can tell. 766 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.760 Great stories with next to nothing. And one of my 767 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.360 favorites of his that I have ever since I was 768 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.519 on this show, and even before I was on this show, 769 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.719 I used to just hammer it, and we did it 770 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.519 on this show is the conversation I'm like. The conversation 771 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.559 I'm like that is a like one of the cheapest movies, 772 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.639 and it's all put together by the edit. It's all 773 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.880 put together by the use of the sound. It's very simple, 774 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.239 and it tells a great story. Now it's my understanding 775 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.039 that that did come together in the edit, because I 776 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.119 had an opportunity to talk to one of the editors 777 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:48.880 once and he said, oh, yeah, like this thing was 778 00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.039 narrative and it didn't work, and we tore it apart 779 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.519 and put it all back together. Fantastic. You guys did 780 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:55.760 an amazing job. 781 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.800 That only just speaks more to his genius, the very 782 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.159 idea that you could make something it's not what you thought, 783 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.280 but then make something else out of it, Like that's like, 784 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:05.599 that's it. That's incredible. 785 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.920 So when I see that he can do something like this, 786 00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:11.199 like I wrote about the Crumbling Justice, I go. I 787 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.360 go at times it's just so beautiful to look at, 788 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.159 but sometimes it's so on the nose that it takes 789 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:17.920 away from the power of the story. 790 00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.800 Production design of this movie is beautiful. Caesar Catalina's office 791 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:26.239 is absolutely gorgeous. I love the use of the lines, 792 00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.679 the maps, all of these things. It looks so good. 793 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.719 Somebody called that recently, like how specious it is to 794 00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:35.679 just say like the cinematography is great. But I have 795 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.039 to say, the cinematography in this movie is great, and 796 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.079 it plays so well with the production design, and everything 797 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:48.519 looks so wonderful and just so scrumptious, and you feel like, Okay, 798 00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.519 maybe there is a world here, you know, outside of 799 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.360 these sets. It's New York City with a couple things 800 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.400 tacked on to it, but inside of the world other 801 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.800 than maybe the colosseums, which the special effects in that 802 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:08.280 really draw bad attention to themselves, especially the tumblers. There's 803 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:09.960 a lot of stuff where I'm just like, what are 804 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.199 you doing here? Like are you supposed to be making 805 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.280 this looks horrible on purpose? And that's what I feel 806 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.039 like I keep coming back to, is like is this 807 00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.440 a metaphor? Like are these tumblers a metaphor for something 808 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.400 like of course, like the guy running and breaking through 809 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:25.519 brick walls and things. I'm like, okay, well that, yeah, 810 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.800 that's a metaphor. But there's so many other things where 811 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.679 I'm just like, what is this? Why are you doing 812 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.719 this particular thing titles me yes, and titles me yes. 813 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:41.480 It titles me her going through the another model of 814 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.920 the city. But this model is put together with like 815 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:49.360 cardboard and tires and water bottles and soccer balls and things, 816 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.360 and suddenly she gets transported into this and to go 817 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:56.760 back to the special effects, this really awful looking special 818 00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:00.920 effects sequence with like that thing coming out protecting her 819 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.719 from the rain and stuff. I'm like, again, is this 820 00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.679 supposed to look bad on purpose? Or is this supposed 821 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:10.840 to be this magical, mystical world that I'm impressed by? 822 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.679 Because the way that the City of the Future actually 823 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.000 starts to look whenever we get these glimpses of it, 824 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:23.719 it looks terrible. It just looks really nasty and nothing 825 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:24.840 I would want to live in. 826 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.599 It makes me feel terrible when I think this is 827 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.440 because it feels so like it's ageist, but it's just 828 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.000 sort of like I like think of going to the documentary. Also, 829 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.440 when he talks about, you know, only wanting like practical 830 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.760 effects and stuff like that, where he just seems like 831 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:41.679 these are the moments where he feels out of touch 832 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.960 with modern filmmaking to a certain extent of just like, oh, 833 00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.000 it looks fine, and it's like no, no, no, it doesn't. 834 00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.719 Like have you not seen a movie in the last 835 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:53.960 ten years, Like, and I know they're not the kind 836 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.679 of movies that you like. I feel like again jumping 837 00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.800 to the documentary, like every it just feels to me 838 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.159 every and it's only happened like twice. But whenever he 839 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.119 mentioned this Guardians of the Galaxy, you can just feel 840 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.960 like the bile coming up out of his mouth, like 841 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.719 he's just angry that this all these movies exist, and 842 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.559 it's like, yeah, but but there's stuff to take from 843 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.000 that that you can use you could have used here. 844 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.159 And the other thing that you know, you were just 845 00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.360 saying that I had been thinking of before, is like, 846 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.719 is this the case of had you given this to 847 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.519 somebody else who could have taken the step back? Said 848 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.199 you know, read you know, read through the script, changed 849 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.880 it up, you know, and pulled out the themes and 850 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.559 gotten rid of what doesn't need to be there, and 851 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:41.320 then when we have had something, it feels like, maybe 852 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:42.960 I want. 853 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:47.000 To talk real quick about the kid in the uniform, 854 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.480 the tuba player who just is in this parade, wanders 855 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:56.039 away from the parade, hooks up with Clodeo, and then 856 00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:59.719 becomes this like master of evil throughout the rest of 857 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.840 this film. And it's like, who the fuck is this kid? 858 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.360 And why do the other people hate him so much 859 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.119 that they're just like, oh, is so and so here? No, okay, 860 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.199 let's go on, Let's just let's go the other way 861 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.159 kind of thing, is what the commandant says. It's just 862 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.719 like another weird thing in that character. Going back to 863 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.960 the script, he's in there from the beginning, this whole 864 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.360 introduction of him as the stuba player. Instead, it's supposed 865 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.199 to be like he's some sort of West Point cadet 866 00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.960 and had got kicked out of West Point. Like, okay, 867 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.599 that seems like a much better backstory than he was 868 00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:37.119 a random musician in a parade and Clodio just is like, hey, 869 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.719 come on over here, and then becomes like a second 870 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:40.280 in command. 871 00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:42.800 I'm like, what how did this happen? 872 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.480 It seems to line up with the story that Colpla 873 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:50.559 tells in the documentary about how he left military school 874 00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.960 and sold his uniform and and and so it's like 875 00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.119 and even in the documentary, if I'm remembering all this correctly, 876 00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.320 I feel like Shilah Buff is like, that's just something 877 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.519 you're hung up on, man like, and they get into 878 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.320 like this argument about it, and it's and I think 879 00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.840 I said, like, so this is my wife. I'm just 880 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.320 like I never thought i'd say that. But Shilah Buff 881 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:14.760 is right, like, this is you know what what like? 882 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.440 And and You're like everything you just said just makes 883 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:19.480 me feel like he was like Copo is like, no, 884 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.639 I have to have that in there because this speaks 885 00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:26.280 to me. It's like, all right, but what who else 886 00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.639 is it speaking to? What else are you really saying 887 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:28.960 with it. 888 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.880 There's an interview I saw with Shilah Buff and it 889 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.800 was some podcast, but it was a video podcast, which 890 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.840 I guess is a podcast these days, and it was him, 891 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.920 Shia and David Mammett and they're being interviewed and the 892 00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.760 Boof goes off. Of course, the name of the video 893 00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.599 is something like Shilah Boof comes clean about working on Megalopolis. 894 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.079 He talks about it for like thirty seconds in a 895 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.840 ten minute video, and he just goes. 896 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:57.480 And we fought all through the thing because it wasn't 897 00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.320 my dream, and I was trying to learn his dream, 898 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.559 which he always trying to do. When you're on a movie, 899 00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:04.280 you try to learn your guy's dream. Sometimes those dreams 900 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.840 aren't easily accessible. Sometimes you feel like you're not old 901 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.360 enough to get to the dream. With me and him, 902 00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:10.960 it felt like that. It felt like, oh, you know, 903 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.039 I don't know about you know, because I'm a baby 904 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:14.679 and you don't live to life, you know, so I 905 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:16.000 would acquiesce to him. 906 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.559 Yeah, That's what it feels like as an audience member, 907 00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.480 is that I'm being kept from his vision at all times, 908 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:25.119 that I'm not being allowed to know what the hell 909 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.519 is happening, Like I don't know what the significance of 910 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:33.119 the Soviet said, Like cruising overhead that we get little 911 00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:34.639 shots of here and there. 912 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.800 That's cult war leftover from an earlier draft. 913 00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.039 If I keep in mind that one of the early 914 00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:43.760 drafts of this was nineteen eighty three, I can see 915 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:48.400 star wars and Soviet relations and all of this kind 916 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.519 of stuff. I can see Skylab coming out of the sky. 917 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.480 I see all of these things, but in a post 918 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.679 nine to eleven world, it's a whole different story. 919 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.000 When I was rereading the script, I was like, Okay, 920 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.320 the satellite crashing to Earth is clearly a metaphor for 921 00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.480 alluding to to nine to eleven. But then in the script, 922 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:11.880 nine to eleven happens, and the satellite is still comes 923 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:15.039 down later, and so I'm like, what are we doing here? 924 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.480 And even in the script, to me, it felt like 925 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.119 when nine to eleven happened, it almost felt like he 926 00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.719 was doing the rewrite, and then that event happened, He's like, oh, 927 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:24.760 I have to put it in the movie, and he 928 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.880 just stopped writing and then added that in, and then 929 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.280 it like jumps forward like six years, and it's like 930 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:32.920 you can't fit everything in. Man. 931 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:37.559 Time is such an important piece of this movie, and 932 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.599 time passes in this movie, but you wouldn't necessarily know 933 00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:47.480 it very well, even her being pregnant and then suddenly 934 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:49.960 they're getting married and then suddenly there's a baby, And 935 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.039 I'm like, okay, how much time has passed? Like how 936 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.119 much time passes between the beginning of this movie and 937 00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.679 the end of this movie? Not to mention the stuff 938 00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.480 that takes place before this movie starts, Like, I would 939 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.320 almost like to see a timeline of the movie itself 940 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.199 just to know where am I at when it comes 941 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.519 to these things. How long does it take for Clodio 942 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:14.719 to suddenly go from playboy ne'er do well? How often 943 00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:19.639 does he do well? Ne'er he does well? Him suddenly 944 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.960 becoming this political figure and the way he joins up 945 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:26.519 with the crowd and yeah, kind of activates the immigrant 946 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:30.000 community like you were talking about before, Rob, It's just like, okay, 947 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.239 how long does it take for him to now suddenly 948 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.440 become more of a political figure. It's to the point 949 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.920 where his uncle's like, you got to get out of politics. 950 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.880 To me, he is the Trump stand in. I mean, 951 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.760 I feel very maga. There's a lot of symbology that 952 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.920 feels exactly maga. I would say, if there's a timeline 953 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:50.719 on this, I'd say maybe a year and a half 954 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.519 from where it starts to the end, because I mean, 955 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.920 obviously we're hemmed in by nature nine months a woman 956 00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.320 having a baby, so that gives us that timeline off 957 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.320 the back end. But I'm not seeing too much further 958 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.400 before that, you know, maybe your naf. 959 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.840 I feel like there's only one sequence where you see 960 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.599 like the calendar pages lying by, But even that wasn't 961 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:14.639 as much time. Now, I do think that we need 962 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:18.000 to understand that. I think it takes about six months 963 00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.239 for a megalon to fully heal a headwont So that 964 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.000 should explain at least some of it. 965 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:26.079 You have that information on good authority that it's suggested. 966 00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:30.320 Okay, I got it from one five to one seven nine. 967 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.119 Yeah, how long does it take to heal a dog leg? 968 00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:37.280 Because suddenly we're talking about megalon can heal dogs? And 969 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.840 we get that little shot and then yeah, later on 970 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.320 he there's an assassination attempt and he gets shot in 971 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:48.880 the fucking face, and yeah, they use some Megalon on him. 972 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:54.639 And that leads to my other big, big laugh scene 973 00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.440 is him just doing that whole no no no thing. 974 00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.360 And I told you this as soon as we left 975 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.039 the theater, Mike, I was laughing because it's so reminded 976 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:07.559 me of the Internet cat that says no. 977 00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:09.880 No no no no no no no no no no no. 978 00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:15.800 Crosses, someone froze our accounts, someone's messing up. 979 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.119 Oh no no no, I'll be in the car if 980 00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:18.559 you need me. 981 00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:37.159 Okay, no, no, no no no no no no no 982 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:44.880 no no no no no no no no no no 983 00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:45.840 no no no. 984 00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.760 No no no no no no no no no. 985 00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.239 Like they reused that, they loop that a few times. 986 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.559 That helped me enjoy the script more because none of 987 00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:01.880 that's there. There's no assassination attempt. He and Julia don't 988 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.239 get married, they don't have a kid, and then you 989 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:09.119 know they ultimately, you know, have the very tragic ending 990 00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.159 that adds to the whole thing you guys were talking 991 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:13.920 about in terms of the whole you know, bringing the 992 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.800 family together and how important that is to Coppla where 993 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.159 it's like in these earlier drafts, it's like he wanted 994 00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.199 to do that, but it was the world that was 995 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.840 preventing them from doing it right. It was his enemy's 996 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.679 determination to destroy him that ultimately unraveled everything. And it's 997 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.360 sort of like, well, where's that guy, you know, like 998 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.880 where's that artist at because because you know that that 999 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.840 was a little more interesting, but now instead we get 1000 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.719 we get this ridiculous think of yesterday when I was 1001 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:42.800 watching It's like, man, I don't know why, he just 1002 00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.079 really reminded I'm just keep thinking of dark Man with 1003 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:46.639 his bandage on his head. 1004 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:53.559 The calendar stuff is while Platinum's substory of her and 1005 00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:58.199 Crassus Hamilton Crassis, the John Voight character. And it's interesting 1006 00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:02.239 that we talk about kind of maga in this movie 1007 00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:05.440 and it's not John Voyce Wow Platinum, who in the 1008 00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.320 script was what w Wow Baltimore and she had a 1009 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.079 first name. She was like Lydia wal Baltimore or something, 1010 00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.039 and Wow is just her nickname, whereas in here it 1011 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.800 feels like it's her real name. It very much feels 1012 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.079 like that, which is fine. And I know a lot 1013 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.000 of people made a lot of like, oh my god, 1014 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.880 they have a character named while Platinum. In here it's like, yeah, 1015 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.639 I've heard weirder names in twenty twenty five. It's really okay. 1016 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.840 I mean the actress name is Aubrey Plaza, which the 1017 00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.320 first time I heard Aubrey Plaza, I go, it sounds 1018 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.440 like a hotel. Oh I stayed at the Aubrey Plaza. 1019 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:37.719 It was lovely, you know. 1020 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.639 I mean, so there's part of me. It's just one 1021 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.360 of those things with that character. And I got this 1022 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.719 like like he was watching way too much, like before 1023 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.760 she went to Fox. I think probably the Maria Bartaromo 1024 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:56.960 money Bunny Wall Street business, cutesy gal who tells everybody 1025 00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:58.480 about the stocks and all that stuff. 1026 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.679 So that's where the calendar flipping happens. Is her now 1027 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:06.400 machinations of I'm going to marry this banker and I'm 1028 00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:10.280 going to take all of his money somehow, And rather 1029 00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:12.639 than it being a celebration of their wedding, which is 1030 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:14.840 what I think is happening in the script, it's more 1031 00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:20.159 of a celebration of their a nuptial announcement, which is 1032 00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:25.239 what leads us to the whole scene at the coliseum, 1033 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.239 the bread and Circus sequence. And don't worry, folks, they 1034 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.840 will announce that with a title card. I'm not sure 1035 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.199 if Larry Fishburn reads all these title cards, but I 1036 00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:34.440 would not be surprised. 1037 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:43.440 Where stands the Colosseum so stands wrong. When the Colosseum falls, 1038 00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:49.159 and Rolling falls too, and when Rolling falls, the world 1039 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:49.960 falls with it. 1040 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.360 That scene goes on for fucking ever. It is just 1041 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:55.679 like the longest sequence in the movie. At least that's 1042 00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.440 how it feels to me. In a movie of things 1043 00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.360 that feel like they go on for a long time, 1044 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.039 this feels like it goes on the longest because it's 1045 00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:09.400 got this whole thing of Caesar Catalina getting drunk and 1046 00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:15.559 now suddenly Julia is his representative, right and like taking 1047 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.280 him through and he's like shuffling through the press line 1048 00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:24.119 doing like the running Man dance and stuff. And this 1049 00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:28.159 whole thing with the virgin, the vestal virgin, which that 1050 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.320 for me, was the only thing that actually came out 1051 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:35.440 of the real story of the real guy Serge Catalina, 1052 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.920 who was part of this rebellion in Rome, or proposed rebellion, 1053 00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:43.320 and he had slept with the vessel virgin, That's the 1054 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.079 only thing. And this whole thing of her suddenly being 1055 00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:49.920 able to like morphed into seven different versions and harmonize 1056 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.119 with herself. I'm like, well, who are you Ophelia from 1057 00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.119 the Adams family? This is so strange. 1058 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:56.639 Well, this is also a thing too where you'd need 1059 00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:58.599 to know a little bit of Roman history to understand 1060 00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:02.559 why he's represent vestal virgins, because vestal virgins are the 1061 00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.280 keepers of the fire, and that the idea being that 1062 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:07.599 they had to be virgins, and if they weren't, then 1063 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.679 the fire went out, then Rome wouldn't be safe and 1064 00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.360 the whole thing would collapse. So you have to understand again, 1065 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.719 men think about Rome, as you said, every day, so 1066 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.239 of course we would know this already. 1067 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.559 I just learned it right now because the movie certainly 1068 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.079 didn't explain it to me, even though it had ample 1069 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:29.599 opportunity to do so. With Laurence Fishburne, you know, one 1070 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:34.880 more voice over everybody. That all felt gross. It's just like, 1071 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.960 this is just this is all very and it was. 1072 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:41.320 It was worse I think in the script too, because 1073 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:44.159 like in the movie, it's it sort of alludes to, oh, no, 1074 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.880 this was all doctored and it wasn't real. In the 1075 00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:48.280 movie it was like that. In the script it was 1076 00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:51.679 much more like no, no, no. He definitely slept with her, 1077 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.599 and he talks about how you know, oh, I'm such 1078 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.679 a weak man about it. And there's even a line 1079 00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.039 from like from Julius like even if it is true, 1080 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:02.119 it doesn't matter. It's like I think it's relevant though, 1081 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.159 Like I think if it's true, it's definitely relevant. That's 1082 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:08.119 the other thing about her character, going back to what 1083 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:09.760 we were talking about a little bit before, it's like 1084 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:11.719 it feels like her only job is to just be 1085 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.519 in love with him and then be this frustration for 1086 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.760 her father and that to me is also just annoying. 1087 00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:19.719 We could let this person be like, you know, a 1088 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:23.239 person like you know and somebody who actually has some 1089 00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:27.519 kind of agency or anything at all. But now it's 1090 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.320 all just there to serve him. 1091 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.239 There's part of me that wonders, and I don't know 1092 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.519 anything about you know, I know very little about her background. 1093 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.960 But is he writing their love story eleanor did he 1094 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:41.199 upset her dad? 1095 00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:41.480 You know? 1096 00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.639 Was he like, you're not marrying an Italian? Not back 1097 00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.119 then in the early sixties, you know, So I don't know. 1098 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:50.320 I wondered about the same thing at the beginning of 1099 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:54.880 this this as you were saying, Mike forever a scene, 1100 00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:57.559 because yeah, I almost fell asleep watching it the second 1101 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.360 time when he goes off on his drug tangent. But 1102 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.719 we also get this weird introduction to his mother. Yes, 1103 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:05.360 what is. 1104 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.159 Going on with this Talia Shier relationship and. 1105 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:12.280 They're bizarre relationship, yeah, and her just talking about how like, 1106 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.519 you know, what would she say, is it alligators or 1107 00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.639 crocodiles have it right because they eat their young And 1108 00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:19.800 it's like, what is this about? And then it comes 1109 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:21.840 it comes back later that that actually is one of 1110 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.480 the lines I enjoyed the moments was when she when 1111 00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:27.679 he's introducing her to Julia and she says that I 1112 00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.760 always wanted a girl. He goes, Julia is a girl. Mom. 1113 00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:35.519 But again it's like, what is what's happening here? Like, 1114 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:38.039 what is this? What is this supposed to be alluding to? 1115 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:40.400 Or what is this a reference to that? I also 1116 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.159 don't understand. There's just more and more of that throughout 1117 00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.559 the movie. And like you were saying before, Rob, when 1118 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.559 you're talking about south Land Tails, it's like, I don't 1119 00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:51.679 want to have to do a ton of homework before 1120 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:56.039 or after this movie or any movie to be able 1121 00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.840 to understand and appreciate what it is that you're saying. 1122 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:00.480 I'm not saying I don't want to think think about it. 1123 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:02.000 I want to think about it, and of course I 1124 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:04.320 want to think about it, But when you're making me 1125 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.320 rely on a whole bunch of other things, it feels 1126 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.400 to me like you're just not You're not doing the work. 1127 01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:14.400 The Wild Platinum character is basically Sarah Michelle Gellar character 1128 01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.480 from Southland Tails. You know, I was waiting for that 1129 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:19.440 to say not as interesting. No, I was waiting for 1130 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:21.280 to say that in the future things will be much 1131 01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:24.239 more futuristic, but as opposed to this, where in the 1132 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:27.159 future things will be much more Roman. And it's like 1133 01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.800 they're so uneven even when it comes to because the 1134 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:34.320 other thing that this Colosseum scene brings up is this 1135 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:39.199 idea of the kind of Times Square like scrolling thing 1136 01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:42.639 that they have going around the Colosseum floor, which is 1137 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.039 all in Latin, and they speak Latin. I think there's 1138 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:49.880 one part where John Carlo Esposito and the actress who's 1139 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.760 named The Killer from John Wu's new version of The 1140 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:56.039 Killer where they're talking in Latin to each other. Okay, 1141 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:58.400 this kind of reminds me of France is probably speaking 1142 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:02.639 Italian to his relatives or something. But they're so uneven 1143 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.039 with is this new Rome or not. I mean, it's like, okay, yeah, again, 1144 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.039 they've got all these QR codes and they're doing all 1145 01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:12.079 this bidding through QR codes, And at first I thought 1146 01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:16.000 they were bidding on the festival Virgin's virginity, and then 1147 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:18.559 I realized, no, this is some sort of and again 1148 01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:20.920 I get this better. In the script, they're trying to 1149 01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.960 make money and they're like basically trying to come up 1150 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.599 with a campaign. So they're using this event, their bridal party, 1151 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:32.320 to raise funds and I'm like, okay, first off, he's Crassus, 1152 01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:36.840 the most well healed man in New Rome. Why does 1153 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.360 he need money? But yeah, this is their thing that 1154 01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:41.199 they're trying to get cash, and that's why they have 1155 01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:44.079 all these QR codes and they keep raising money. But 1156 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.880 I was just like, yeah, they're selling off for virginity. 1157 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.679 But whoops, it's already been taken by Caesar Catalina. I 1158 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.360 think my versions a lot more interesting, let more. 1159 01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:57.280 Coherent, but in the end it actually wasn't because I 1160 01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:59.360 guess it was a deep fake or something. 1161 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:03.760 Yes, yeah, and then it changes her her way of 1162 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:07.079 performing to suddenly now she's more like a sex bomb. 1163 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.639 And maybe it's a Britney Spears reference or something. 1164 01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:11.480 I don't know. 1165 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.320 Madonna, it's Madonna. 1166 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:15.719 It's the eighties Madonna. 1167 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:16.400 Madonna. 1168 01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:19.519 My first thought was it was like, oh, this is 1169 01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:22.760 the this is like the whole Miley Cyrus thing when 1170 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.920 she made that pledge to her dad all those years ago. 1171 01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:29.000 But then it's like, now, this script existed before that, 1172 01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:32.400 and but it's just yeah, it was, but it's either way, 1173 01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.480 it's still like I what are we what are we 1174 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.320 doing here? And that also in the script was so 1175 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:43.559 much more drawn out and explained right in terms of of, oh, 1176 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:45.920 Julie is going to do all this research and actually 1177 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.920 find out no, no, no, she's it was her younger sister 1178 01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.639 that died, and they changed changed things, changed things up, 1179 01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:56.400 and all this different detective works in the movie. It's 1180 01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:58.960 like they're in this, They're in the catacomb somewhere here. 1181 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:00.599 I got it here, it's in this box that we 1182 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.320 found in this in the middle of nowhere. It's it's 1183 01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:07.000 almost as bad as the as the dust and Hoffman like, 1184 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:13.199 oh if something fell on him, oh Jesus, yeah. 1185 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.360 Yeah, let's talk about that, because it's like just such 1186 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.920 a throwaway where it's just like, oh, yeah, don't worry, 1187 01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:19.159 I took care of the Dustin Hoffmann character cut to 1188 01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.119 him walking in all of these fucking pillars falling on him. 1189 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.119 I'm just like, that's it. 1190 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:27.320 I think in the script and in the comic they 1191 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.280 explained that one a little bit better because I gets 1192 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.880 it's Claudia on his people cave in the place that 1193 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.679 they had lured him to, and you know, he gets 1194 01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.239 buried under the rubble I had forgotten that, and I 1195 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:40.000 was like, oh, I think in the movie it must 1196 01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.360 be that the satellite hit him. But then when it 1197 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.559 happens to like no, it's that's not what happened, Like 1198 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.679 I mean, and it's so weird. It's like it said 1199 01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:50.039 the whole show don't tell a thing. It's like you 1200 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.320 managed to do the opposite of both of those at 1201 01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:55.400 the same time. Somehow. Think you told us and then 1202 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:57.440 showed us in a way that just told us. It 1203 01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:58.679 can show us anything. 1204 01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:02.039 If there's one great line reading in this movie, Oh. 1205 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.119 I know exactly where you're gonna go. Please tell me 1206 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:06.719 the best line reading in this movie. 1207 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:10.320 What do you think of this? Boner? I've got what 1208 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.719 do you think of this boner? 1209 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.880 I was thrilled to find a surprise that that that 1210 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.960 line was in the script, but he's that he kept 1211 01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.440 it for all these years, Like no, no, no, this line 1212 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:26.559 is not going anywhere. 1213 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.400 Yeah, that's probably the best moment of this entire movie. 1214 01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:33.519 Joe Buck comes back around. 1215 01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:38.280 Had he and Coppola worked together before John Voyt and Coppola, 1216 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:39.119 I don't think so? 1217 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:42.360 Okay, So either I was I was thinking about that, 1218 01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:44.880 you know, you know, going to the documentary where they 1219 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.760 where they they It felt like they'd had a relationship 1220 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:50.519 or knew each other before, but I couldn't think of 1221 01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.519 an example of where they'd actually, you know, made a 1222 01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:54.199 movie together. 1223 01:04:55.000 --> 01:05:00.760 Yes, so much of Caesar Catalina's process feels like Coppola process. 1224 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:01.159 You know. 1225 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:03.400 I was talking about the model of the city with 1226 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.679 all the garbage and everything. There's a moment when we're 1227 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:08.920 in his office and there's all of these people with 1228 01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:13.360 the Design Authority jumpsuits and they're forming human pyramids and stuff, 1229 01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:16.880 and I'm just like, a, is this inspiring you, Caesar 1230 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:22.000 for like new organic design ideas? Because like I said, 1231 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:24.159 we'll talk about Mega doc more, but there's so much 1232 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:28.119 of like acting exercises in there, and all of this 1233 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.280 feels like exercises, Like we're going to do some weird 1234 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.320 shit in here just to inspire you, Caesar, because you 1235 01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:36.960 are the great man and you need all of this 1236 01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:40.639 different inspiration, and you also need a lot of booze. 1237 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:44.599 Apparently it's okay that he is such a whino when 1238 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:48.119 it comes to this. And then yeah, also can do magic, 1239 01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:50.559 which Julia can do as well. 1240 01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:53.800 It seems going to the ending, right, So You're going 1241 01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:57.039 to freeze this moment in time for all of you 1242 01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.880 because this is your triumph. But I guess what we're 1243 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.639 saying here is that, you know, the baby the next 1244 01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:06.119 generation is like, you can be stuck in this moment 1245 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:07.800 in time, you can hold on to this moment in 1246 01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:10.320 the past, but the next generation it doesn't mean the 1247 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:12.639 same for them, and they're gonna keep moving forward. You know. 1248 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:17.559 Maybe that's what it means, but mostly it just feels 1249 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.320 like weird. It's like it's like the thing in the 1250 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.519 pitch meeting where it's like, I hope that baby's gonna 1251 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:27.960 be okay. Everybody else's throat and the baby's just we're 1252 01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:31.000 s watered around, Like yeah. 1253 01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:32.320 That's what it feels like. It almost feels like to 1254 01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:35.400 commit suicide at the end of this movie by freezing themselves. 1255 01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:40.039 Because every other time that Caesar says time stop, he 1256 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:44.320 and Julia apparently are okay to move around. But now 1257 01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.960 when he says time stop, or she might even stop time, 1258 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:49.239 I don't remember, but when they. 1259 01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:51.960 Stop, yeah, he tells her, Julia stop time. 1260 01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:54.920 Okay, so she stops the time, and time stops for 1261 01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:58.960 everyone apparently in the entire world except for that baby. So, yeah, 1262 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.679 does that baby does it just die sitting there on 1263 01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:05.800 that magic carpet because no one's there to feed it. 1264 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:09.400 You know, it's got megalon. Okay, that's true. 1265 01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:10.320 Yeah, you can eat it. 1266 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:15.079 You know. It's a bit of desert topping. It's a floorway. 1267 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.679 Oh no, no, that's I was thinking like now that 1268 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:20.760 it's right. That's right. He got shot after she got pregnant, 1269 01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.280 because I was wondering if maybe the baby was part Megalon. 1270 01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.920 We talked about the whole gimmick of the stopping of time. 1271 01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:29.800 The other gimmick in this movie, which was actually more 1272 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:33.480 of a gimmick for the movie, was this whole thing 1273 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.239 that happened. Now this is did this happen in con 1274 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:38.960 and did it happen anyplace else? This whole idea of 1275 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:43.639 people asking the screen questions. 1276 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:46.880 It happened in con and then kind of like when 1277 01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.039 they did not with this movie, but you know, with 1278 01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:51.000 like certain movies were like, oh you can go see 1279 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.800 it in seventy millimeter film print. You know, it was 1280 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:56.639 only in certain theaters. But to me, I don't even 1281 01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:58.440 know where that takes place. So there's a part of 1282 01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:00.360 me that's like I don't even know where the guy 1283 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:02.519 would stand up and say, hey, you know what the hell? 1284 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:06.719 Well, that takes place at exactly one hour, in like 1285 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.719 twenty three minutes. It takes place right after the satellite 1286 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:14.320 finally crashes to Earth. It seems kind of harmlessly, but 1287 01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:18.600 you get those shots of the people's shadows on the 1288 01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:20.680 building where I'm like, Okay, that's actually kind of cool, 1289 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:22.239 like showing the destruction. 1290 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:23.800 You know, yeah, that was a great shot. 1291 01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:25.840 Okay, for instance, you still have it like you still 1292 01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:28.720 have an incertain part. So at like one hour twenty 1293 01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:32.119 two minutes, they cut to this black room and this 1294 01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:35.520 white spotlight comes up, and then suddenly we're in what 1295 01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:38.439 looks like a theater, and there's a person that stands 1296 01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:40.720 up in front of us who's completely blurry and asks 1297 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:45.000 the question of a screen. And that's where Caesar is there, 1298 01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:46.399 answering the one question. 1299 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.600 What remains is the movie's wow moment, which stunned audiences 1300 01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:53.560 and can at its first public screening. In a news 1301 01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:57.359 conference scene, someone physically stands next to the screen and 1302 01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:01.600 asks Caesar a question. Adam Drive actually suggested this to 1303 01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:05.600 replace Copela's original idea after the Alexa ordeal forced him 1304 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:08.119 to cut the gimmick as it. 1305 01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:12.159 Is in this movie. It doesn't fit whatsoever. Maybe in 1306 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.800 the real experience that we're talking about, that might have worked, 1307 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:18.159 but here in this film it doesn't work at all. 1308 01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:22.520 And they should not have had even this framing, like 1309 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:26.319 literal framing of a person in a movie theater talking 1310 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.720 to a screen their own shadow cast. You know, pretty 1311 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.960 soon they start throwing rice and spoons. It's the whole thing. 1312 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:37.079 I think. I found a clip of one of those 1313 01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:43.439 screenings on YouTube and it was awkward, more awkward than 1314 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:45.680 the actual movie. 1315 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:49.079 You said that as we jump into the future, we 1316 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:52.399 should do so un aFrame, but what if they do 1317 01:09:52.560 --> 01:10:06.760 jump into the future if there is something, well, there's 1318 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:07.880 nothing to be afraid of. 1319 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:09.039 If you love. 1320 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:15.920 Or have loved The timing was was odd because it's 1321 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:19.000 not like Copla hasn't done weird stuff like that with 1322 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.600 some other movies, not any that I've seen, but I've 1323 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:24.279 read about or heard about. But it just feels to 1324 01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:28.640 a certain extent like is this just experimentation for experimentation's sake? Right? 1325 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.520 I don't I don't know what this is supposed to have, 1326 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.880 how this was supposed to have enhanced if your intention 1327 01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:38.279 was to feel like you were bringing us into the movie. 1328 01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:41.479 Even though Copa is very clear in the documentary he 1329 01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:44.039 does not believe those images of those aren't real, even 1330 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:47.359 though shy I believes they're real, it's still like it. 1331 01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:50.079 If anything, it took me even further out of the 1332 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.520 movie because, like you're saying, it doesn't it doesn't fit. 1333 01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:57.239 It's a weird moment even within this odd story anyway 1334 01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.760 of just like okay, this, you know, this thing crashes 1335 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.600 down and we're gonna have a press conference with Caesar. 1336 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:07.199 But it doesn't seem to have crashed into any buildings. 1337 01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:11.039 It didn't kill anyone, it didn't destroy his you know, 1338 01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:14.720 construction site. So I don't know what. Obviously this is 1339 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.199 supposed to be a nine to eleven metaphor. 1340 01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:19.920 You even see what looks like ground zero after that, 1341 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:24.000 But again it's like, we didn't see any buildings get destroyed. 1342 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:28.600 We just saw a metaphor of people reacting as shadows. 1343 01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:29.439 I see. 1344 01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:31.520 I thought it was going to be towards the end 1345 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:36.159 because there's a whole speechifying piece and here it's also like, 1346 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:39.840 oh God, like if you have to do this, then 1347 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.760 you've really lost the narrative. That's like, you really have 1348 01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:44.640 to hammer us on the head in terms. 1349 01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.800 Of this is what the theme is, and the. 1350 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:49.840 Theme is we need a great debate about the future. 1351 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:50.960 Pull yourself up. 1352 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:56.000 Let it not be said that we reduced ourselves to 1353 01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:57.119 be brutes. 1354 01:11:58.880 --> 01:11:59.920 And mindless beasts. 1355 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:08.800 A third, the human being shall rightly be called a. 1356 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:14.479 Great miracle and a living creature. For all two in mind, 1357 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:20.239 we are such stuff as dreams. 1358 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:20.319 Are made up. 1359 01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:28.119 There's a few moments in here where I was reminded 1360 01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.880 of how the West was won and the way that 1361 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.479 that was shown when it was in road show, the 1362 01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:38.439 whole thing of the three screens, because after that press conference, 1363 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:41.199 then suddenly we're in a triptich for like the longest 1364 01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:44.960 time of Caesar in the middle, like working on his 1365 01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:48.000 stuff and things on either side, and that we've got 1366 01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:51.399 all these architectural drawings that basically looks like you know, 1367 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:54.239 production design drawings, just kind of reusing it for that, 1368 01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:56.920 and we go through that for a while. I was like, Okay, 1369 01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.720 that might have been an interesting effect too, had you 1370 01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:02.079 know a Franstis is going to do this up as 1371 01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:05.720 a road show type of thing and have this cheapy 1372 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.960 gimmick of the you know, like talking with the screen 1373 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.960 and everything. Why not do it up even more? And 1374 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:15.159 then we end that sequence with the film literally burning up, 1375 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.560 and I was like, okay, I've seen two lane Blacktop. 1376 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:20.000 I saw that done a lot better. 1377 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:22.880 I think that was Coppola also trying to be Avlganz 1378 01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:26.680 because he was behind restoration on Napoleon and at one 1379 01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:29.119 and it goes into triptych at one point. 1380 01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:32.640 So right, you're absolutely right. And the whole thing with 1381 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:38.840 like him constantly working with the I guess megalon these 1382 01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:41.880 crystals and things, and he just keeps seeing images of 1383 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:44.760 his dead wife. I just kept thinking of a Minority 1384 01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.600 Report and how much more I like Minority Report and 1385 01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:50.199 the whole idea of like the guy who's haunted by 1386 01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:52.920 his past and stuff, and it's just like, at least 1387 01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:55.880 with that you kind of get an idea of what happened. 1388 01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:59.159 I still don't know what the hell happened with Caesar's wife. 1389 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:04.800 Minority Report that also informs the character, and in this 1390 01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:08.439 I don't know what it does. Like I mean, yep, 1391 01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.159 he's yep, he's damaged and he and he still loves 1392 01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:14.439 his wife because Julia told me that when she somehow 1393 01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.960 or other saw the thing that he could see but 1394 01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.000 didn't see it. My assumption is, you know, the little 1395 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.479 bit that we get sounds like she came to tell 1396 01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.840 him that she was pregnant and saw something that offended her. 1397 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:29.560 So I'm assuming that he was, you know, messing around 1398 01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.840 with somebody and and then was just and then drove herself, 1399 01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:35.640 you know, drove herself over, you know, into the river, 1400 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:38.760 because of course, now that the great man is cheating 1401 01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:41.279 on her, like, how could she say? Why would you 1402 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:42.000 want to stay alive? 1403 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:44.680 I was also thinking another theme that comes up here, 1404 01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.039 and this is after the assassination of getting shot in 1405 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:48.640 the head. There's a line that says that will not 1406 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:52.239 let time have dominion over my thoughts, which to me 1407 01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:56.000 is the whole uh. You know, Vita Brevist artists lung, 1408 01:14:56.319 --> 01:15:00.640 you know idea that you know, art and great things 1409 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.600 live on beyond us and the importance of creation as 1410 01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:06.800 an artist, because if you know enough about Coppola, he 1411 01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:12.520 champions the idea of that. And I understand, dude, you're 1412 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:17.159 in your early eighties, okay. I remember in college I 1413 01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:20.760 had a death class. It was about cultures and death. 1414 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.359 And dying, and there's a thing called terror management theory, 1415 01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:27.039 and this, to me starts to become like you talk 1416 01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:29.880 about Einstein trying to find a universal theory of everything. Like, 1417 01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:32.640 to me, terror management theory is the universal theory of everything, 1418 01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:35.680 like for humans is how I've come to it. It's like, 1419 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:37.359 that's why you have kids, and why people in big 1420 01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.239 countries and put names on buildings and build statues and 1421 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.760 all of this stuff. It's like, I need to prove 1422 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.880 that I existed beyond my time, because otherwise I'm going 1423 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:50.199 to be forgotten and swept away into eternity. I really 1424 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.560 get that he's dealing with that in here too. It's 1425 01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:55.279 kind of, you know, a little bit more subtextual, except 1426 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:58.920 in that point, but there is this feeling of I'm 1427 01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:02.079 trying to create great art to live beyond me, and 1428 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.079 that is that is a worthy cause. 1429 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:07.720 Yeah, that's how this movie is introduced in the Sam 1430 01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:10.479 Lawson book. I believe it's called The Path to Paradise, 1431 01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:15.239 where it's a him, it's Copola talking with it sounds 1432 01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.960 like Wasson saying, you know, and I can't remember what 1433 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:20.800 the Italian is, but basically it's I'm close to death. 1434 01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:24.560 You know, Vincente Muerte or something. I'm in the Vicinity 1435 01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:27.640 of Death and so it's like, Okay, this is Copola 1436 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:29.560 like pulling out all the stops. I'm going to make 1437 01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:32.119 this movie. This is going to be fantastic. But he's 1438 01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:35.079 also dealing with such the piddling things and just like 1439 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:37.359 it feels like he's got such an axe to grind, 1440 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:40.560 Like so much of this movie in the back half 1441 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:46.880 of it is Platinum and Clodio plotting against Crassus Hamilton, 1442 01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:51.239 but also that they're plotting against Caesar Catalina and they 1443 01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:53.960 freeze his accounts so he has no more money so 1444 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:56.119 he can't do this, and I'm just like, Okay, this 1445 01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:58.439 is you Francis, Like and to the point where they're 1446 01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:00.880 talking about like, oh, when we have this baby, it's 1447 01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:03.960 either going to be Sunny Hope or Francis, And I'm like, yeah, 1448 01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:07.880 like Francis is Francis is running through this movie. If anything, 1449 01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:12.640 Francis is megalon. Yeah, like those weird things that they do, 1450 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:17.479 like when he comes and visits Platinum and Clodio after 1451 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:20.520 he's been shot in the head and he pulls off 1452 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:24.199 that the dark Man mask, like you're talking about and 1453 01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:27.800 how his image repeats all those times and just like 1454 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.720 has that magic like bring noise to it. I'm like, 1455 01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:34.000 what are we even doing here? What what is this 1456 01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:37.199 supposed to represent? Because so much of this movie doesn't 1457 01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:40.800 feel like it's real things happening, that it's just metaphorical 1458 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:42.439 things happening, but. 1459 01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:46.079 Either mixed metaphors or you know, or poor metaphors. Right. 1460 01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:49.479 I took some of that to be that you know, 1461 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:52.640 this is this is also how Wow looks at him, 1462 01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:55.119 you know, how Wow sees him? Is this, which which 1463 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.199 again is one of those just annoying things where it's 1464 01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:00.000 just like, here's what to me looks like a self 1465 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:02.720 made woman. But no, no, no, no, no, what she 1466 01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:08.560 really wants is this guy. And the tragedy of her 1467 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:11.000 life is that she just can't you know, she can't 1468 01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:13.680 have him, or she can't understand, you know, who he 1469 01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:16.359 really is, or any of this other stuff. It again 1470 01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:18.359 makes me think of the documentary when he's talking to 1471 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.279 like the art team or whatever is before he decides 1472 01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:23.720 to fire them and stuff like that, and it's just 1473 01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:28.079 like these people like there's all these toys that you 1474 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:30.920 and all these things that you have at your disposal, 1475 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:34.199 but it doesn't feel like you understand how to effectively 1476 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:36.960 use any of them, and then when you do, it 1477 01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:41.159 just doesn't seem it just seems misplaced, you know, like 1478 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:44.880 even the weird look of his face just didn't you know. 1479 01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:47.399 It was like what he says, I got seventy percent 1480 01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:49.680 of what I want. And I'm like, really, because I 1481 01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:54.319 think what was the end product? Because it doesn't feel 1482 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:55.119 like seventy percent. 1483 01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:59.720 Were almost two hours into this movie and it becomes 1484 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:02.439 while platinums movie for a little bit, with all of 1485 01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:07.399 her plotting and her machinations, and suddenly she becomes associated 1486 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:12.079 with scissors because she starts cutting Clodio's hair when she's 1487 01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:14.960 letting him fuck her. And then we have this scene 1488 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:18.840 that really reminded me of Orson Wells's Othello that takes 1489 01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:21.640 place inside of a steam bath. It's so reminded me 1490 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:25.359 of like that scene from Othello. And we have her 1491 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:29.880 in front casting shadows and doing like shadow puppetry almost 1492 01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:32.880 and using her fingers like scissors, and you hear like 1493 01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:35.800 the scissor noise and everything. I'm like, what are we 1494 01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:40.039 doing here? It's almost interesting, it's almost interesting, but it 1495 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:43.920 just does not land and that's the thing is, I 1496 01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:47.119 don't know if anything in this movie ever sticks the landing. 1497 01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:52.000 No, nothing sticks to landing. That's it. That's it. 1498 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:55.279 I want to talk about the end of the movie 1499 01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:58.600 because I not make it all the way to the finale. So, Mike, 1500 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:00.760 can you talk a little bit about how the script 1501 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:03.199 of this ends as opposed to the film. 1502 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:10.119 In the script, Cicero contrives a way to finally get 1503 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:13.399 what's his name in the script, Surge, not Caesar. He's 1504 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:16.720 gonna have him killed, and so he's he says to 1505 01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:20.359 him like, look, you're you're right, I'm terrible. Come meet 1506 01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:23.359 me here, and you know, I will do whatever. And 1507 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:27.960 so he goes. Julia and Caesar go to the to 1508 01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:32.720 the meeting place. You know, he gets out and Julia realizes, 1509 01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:34.760 wait a minute, this is the setup. So she runs 1510 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:38.479 to go stop him, and the I can't remember which 1511 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:42.600 character it is that shoots Caesar, but he shoots Julia 1512 01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:46.680 also as they're both dying. Well, then then word gets 1513 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:50.880 back to Frank that his that is you know, basically 1514 01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:53.520 he's you know, created a situation that killed his daughter. 1515 01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:56.399 So the very end of the movie is he goes 1516 01:20:56.439 --> 01:21:00.239 into his limousine, I think, and slits his wrists, and 1517 01:21:01.399 --> 01:21:04.600 just like the end of The Killer, Caesar and Juliet 1518 01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:07.239 are calling towards each other and he says and he says, 1519 01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.079 time stop, and that's where that's where it freezes, and 1520 01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:13.520 that's the end. I'm sorry, it's just I just think 1521 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.840 that's better, Like, I mean, is it good. That's a 1522 01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:21.359 separate question. It just felt truer to everything, like the 1523 01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:24.600 whole idea of yes, you know, the great artist is 1524 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.520 trying and trying and trying, but ultimately he's you know, 1525 01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:31.119 he is defeated by this other person's jealousies, but those 1526 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.960 jealousies defeated him too. But yeah, instead it's like, no, no, no, 1527 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:36.960 we're going to leave this baby on its own while 1528 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:38.560 the rest of humanity is frozen. 1529 01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:42.720 My note about the ending in my letterbox was, it's 1530 01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:45.199 ultimately a tale of a great man. The world will 1531 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:47.880 be perfect if everyone just realizes what a genius Caesar 1532 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:51.640 Catalina is, shuts up, give him the money, and files along. Meanwhile, 1533 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:55.039 it talks about the value of democratic values, but ending 1534 01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:57.199 with an almost socialist pledge of allegiance. 1535 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:01.359 Oh yeah, that pledge of allegiance. I mean you're already 1536 01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:05.800 cringing through this movie, and to end on cringe at 1537 01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:06.560 the end. 1538 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.319 We have to contrive this way for Gopolo. Let you 1539 01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:10.520 know how it is. 1540 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:14.359 I mean, he's always been, I don't want to say 1541 01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:18.000 anti American. He's always been a very much critique critique 1542 01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:21.159 care of America. I mean, The Godfather is such a 1543 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:26.640 critique of America. Apocalypse Now is a critique of America. 1544 01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:29.680 And this film could have been a critique of America, 1545 01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:31.560 but it just it doesn't seem to know what the 1546 01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:34.479 fuck's trying to say. All right, guys, let's go ahead 1547 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:36.680 and take a break and we'll be back right after 1548 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:41.000 these brief messages. Looking for something superior to streaming a 1549 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:43.840 place with more than five times a selection available on 1550 01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:47.880 all other streaming services combined. Check out Scarecrow Videos rent 1551 01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:51.760 by mail service. Select from an unparalleled collection of over 1552 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:54.680 one hundred and fifty thousand films and get blu rays, 1553 01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:58.359 four k's and DVDs delivered directly to your door. Get 1554 01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:01.880 in on it now, it's Scarecrow, and rediscover the wonders 1555 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:03.680 of physical media. 1556 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:05.520 You know why I'm doing this movie. 1557 01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:08.319 I have money, I already have fame, I already have 1558 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:08.800 asked yours. 1559 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:11.239 What do I get that I want so fun? 1560 01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:18.119 I want to have fun. You have been working on 1561 01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:20.439 this project for a while, thirty years. 1562 01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:26.000 How did someone spend one hundred and twenty million dollars 1563 01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:27.680 off their money on Phoon? 1564 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:29.720 Say your prayer action. 1565 01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:33.880 I read the script twenty five years ago. 1566 01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:35.840 I'm John Carlo Esposito. 1567 01:23:37.199 --> 01:23:39.600 People may look back in thirty years and say, God, 1568 01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:41.960 you gotta go back and watch Mechaaloblis. 1569 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:44.359 Know what I'm working with, realizes how weird a movie 1570 01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:45.199 this really is. 1571 01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:47.119 I read it and then I email I'm back, and 1572 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:48.319 I said, this is a nightmare. 1573 01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:52.359 What is going on right now? That guy knows. 1574 01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:56.479 He has structured to trust his cast to come up 1575 01:23:56.479 --> 01:23:57.640 with something that he hasn't thought of. 1576 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.039 I want you to be able to do anything you 1577 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:00.479 want to do. 1578 01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:02.239 You seem to tried on chaos. 1579 01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:06.600 No, I am confronting chaos. Everyone sit down and don't 1580 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:07.239 do anything. 1581 01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:08.800 I've done this for fifty years. 1582 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:10.760 He works from here passion. 1583 01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:13.000 Give mean what I want. I don't know what you want. 1584 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.560 He's a romantic, he's very repressed. 1585 01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:17.640 He's very worth. 1586 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:19.319 What was the last France? 1587 01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:22.560 I was so young when I started working with him. 1588 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:24.000 He is my godfather. 1589 01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:25.920 It's Francis. 1590 01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:27.560 I know where I am and I know it's. 1591 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:31.319 The super Bowl. He's got a big dream. He feels 1592 01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:32.479 that it's visceral. 1593 01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:34.800 Or in need of a great debate about the future. 1594 01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:38.520 God good. That's what's extraordinary about Francis. 1595 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:41.600 He's the opposite of me. I'm a planet out lodding 1596 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:44.760 along and he's a jump off the cliff guy. 1597 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:47.800 Jack that team for his last sell, put all his 1598 01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:50.000 money in and lost it, died broke. 1599 01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:52.479 But who shares if you die broke if he made 1600 01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:54.800 something that you say, isspute. 1601 01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:54.520 With the. 1602 01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:05.439 All right, we are back and we were talking about Megalopolis. 1603 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:10.079 And a few months after Megalopolis came out, there was 1604 01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:14.239 a film released called Megadoc, which has nothing to do 1605 01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.760 with the Meg I was really hoping that it was 1606 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:19.800 a whole thing about the making of the Meg series, 1607 01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:23.039 maybe talking about the third one, which I'm desperately waiting 1608 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:26.720 to come out. But instead it's a documentary directed by 1609 01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:31.640 Mike Figus, all about kinda the making of this movie. 1610 01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:34.520 I'll just say this right out loud. I don't like 1611 01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:37.920 this documentary. I love Hearts of Darkness. Thought It was 1612 01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:42.720 a beautiful, beautiful documentary really went into Francis's process, how 1613 01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.960 it affected him, how it affected his family, the making 1614 01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:48.920 of Apocalypse Now with so many other things. I just 1615 01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:52.039 mentioned Orson Wells before the jump, the whole thing of like, 1616 01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:54.680 here's how this project started. There was supposed to be 1617 01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:58.079 this adaptation by Orson Wells, and they talk you through this, 1618 01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.279 and we occasionally come back to well, this is a 1619 01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:05.359 voiceover artist. Those are sign posts, and there are no 1620 01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:10.800 sign posts in this movie. This movie mega doc gives 1621 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:16.520 you absolutely nothing to go off of. You are thrown 1622 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.760 out into the middle of the sea. Try to swim. 1623 01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:20.399 Good luck. 1624 01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:21.720 I wrote that. 1625 01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:23.600 I said Figus did a good job giving us a 1626 01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:26.399 view of what was a foot in the creation. I go, 1627 01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:28.800 but he doesn't sense any larger theme, and even at 1628 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:30.479 one point he even says as much. He's like, I 1629 01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:32.720 don't know what I'm doing here. I feel like I've 1630 01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:35.479 gotten sucked into the vortex along with this production. 1631 01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:38.920 The one part in the documentary where it says this 1632 01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:41.760 is his video diary. That's the only entry we get 1633 01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:45.199 from his video diary, and it's like, well, wait a minute, 1634 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:47.319 like you know clearly you've been doing this for a 1635 01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:50.159 couple for a while, like why are you not talking 1636 01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:53.960 more about these kind of things? In many ways, similar 1637 01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:56.159 to the movie, it's sort of like all over the place, 1638 01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:58.640 and there'll be these moments where it's like, oh, I 1639 01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:02.000 want to know a lot more about that, and then Nope, 1640 01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:04.880 just go somewhere else. And like like I've already mentioned 1641 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.960 probably more than once, like any time, especially like in 1642 01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:10.600 the second half when they would show the old footage 1643 01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:12.920 from the first time that he was trying to you know, 1644 01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:16.199 that he was doing a test footage with like you know, 1645 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:20.039 Ryan Gosling and Uma Thurman and Virginia Madison. I'm like, 1646 01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:22.640 where is all of that? You should be making a 1647 01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:26.199 documentary just about that? And then for this movie that's 1648 01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:28.600 the It is very I think it's very difficult not 1649 01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:31.439 to compare it to Hearts of Darkness Darkness right because 1650 01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:34.079 of who the subject is, and Hearts of Darkness is probably, 1651 01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:37.039 you know, one of the greatest movie documentary's ever made, 1652 01:27:37.319 --> 01:27:40.479 but it also came out, you know, years after the movie, 1653 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:43.920 and like this is coming out right afterward. There's nothing 1654 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:47.039 in there really about what really did happen. There's not 1655 01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:50.399 enough reflection on what the movie was trying to be 1656 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:53.279 or what it turned out to be, and yeah, it's 1657 01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.600 it feels like Figures had a lot of behind the 1658 01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:59.479 scenes stuff that he cobbled together and then it's just 1659 01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:00.319 suddenly over. 1660 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:05.439 Any use of on screen titles would have been very welcome, 1661 01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:09.319 the idea of here's Uma Thurman reading this stuff, here's 1662 01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:12.680 Ryan Gosling actually in front of these green screens, and 1663 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:16.279 this stuff is obviously edited together, you have multiple takes 1664 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:20.319 anything of Yeah, that very brief thing of Virginia Madson, 1665 01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:22.760 and thank you for confirming that that was Virginia Madsen, 1666 01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:25.720 because there's no on screen title that says that it's her. 1667 01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:30.359 There's no on screen title in regard to what year 1668 01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:32.880 these are taking place, because I have a feeling that 1669 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:36.239 the Ryan Gosling stuff took place at a different time 1670 01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:41.239 than all of the stuff with the table read, where 1671 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:44.359 you see that gian Carlo Esposito was part of that 1672 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:48.399 early and de Niro and DeNiro, and there's no on 1673 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:51.600 screen titles to even say who these people are, much 1674 01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:54.640 less like any sort of voice of God narrator to say, 1675 01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:57.760 like in nineteen ninety seven, blah blah blah blah blah, 1676 01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:02.920 like there's nothing, there's no base of he was working 1677 01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.199 on this project for so long, and here are the 1678 01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:08.079 moments where that almost came together. Here's some of the 1679 01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:11.079 stuff about what happened with nine to eleven, here's some 1680 01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:12.800 of the you know, I think they do show some 1681 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:16.399 of that footage of what he was shooting, but it's like, God, 1682 01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:20.960 you are not telling me anything about this stuff. And 1683 01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:25.000 I don't know is Mike Figus known for being a documentarian, 1684 01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:27.399 because it really doesn't feel like it whatsoever. 1685 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:30.560 If I can pull out one thing that I think 1686 01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:34.840 is a thematic that I found funny later, is like 1687 01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:37.199 one of the first lines that Copola has is who 1688 01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:38.840 cares if you die broke as long as you make 1689 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:45.279 something beautiful. Then I feel so bad for the effects 1690 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:49.039 team in here when they all get fired because he 1691 01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:53.439 starts penny pinching. So there's part of me that's like, dude, 1692 01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:55.640 I thought you were the fuck it. I'll go live 1693 01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:58.479 in a cardboard box in my retirement as long as 1694 01:29:58.560 --> 01:30:01.079 I can make exact, factly what I want to make, 1695 01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:04.720 make the exact vision that I have. And then now 1696 01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:07.239 you're like, ah, you guys just spending too much. I'm 1697 01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.840 gonna have to let go of y'all. That was this 1698 01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:12.880 real kind of pushbule tension in there in terms of 1699 01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:16.439 a theme. But the one line that I absolutely love 1700 01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:19.439 in here, which seems like it should be the poster, 1701 01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:23.640 is when he lands on his head, I'm not surprised. 1702 01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:28.560 And that's that's George Lucas. Now they give a little 1703 01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:32.680 background on the you know, background between Francis and George, 1704 01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:35.960 and anyone who's a film nerd knows that Francis was 1705 01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:38.560 a mentor and helped him and he's has been his 1706 01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:43.319 friend for you know, decades since you know, the late sixties. 1707 01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:46.119 You know, George Lucas and Frances four Coppola were friends, 1708 01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:49.760 and Coppola helped him out, got him started, pushed him on. 1709 01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.960 Kh X and all the other stuff that he did. 1710 01:30:52.680 --> 01:30:55.600 So for me to hear someone who knows him that 1711 01:30:55.720 --> 01:30:58.960 intimately in that well and has respect for his friend 1712 01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.640 and that to say, you know, he's. 1713 01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:04.399 The opposite of me, which I was like, that's why 1714 01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:09.560 we've got along so well. I'm a plodding along, careful 1715 01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:13.840 what I'm doing, plant it out, and he's a jump 1716 01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:18.199 off the cliff guy. He had the feeling that he 1717 01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:19.279 was sort of invincible. 1718 01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:24.119 It's ironic because George Lucas met him because he was 1719 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:27.079 doing a behind the scenes look at the Rain people, right, 1720 01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:29.680 like that's how they came together, and it's like, who's 1721 01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:32.560 this kid kind of thing, and yeah, like I watch 1722 01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:36.600 I rewatched Hearts of Darkness for this podcast, and it's 1723 01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:40.319 so funny to see here's George Lucas, young George Lucas 1724 01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:42.880 talking about like, oh, yeah, originally I was going to 1725 01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:46.399 be directing this with this Millias script and YadA, YadA, YadA, 1726 01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:48.760 and then like I watched this and here he is 1727 01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:51.960 kind of showing like, yeah, here's my involvement, which is 1728 01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:55.039 no involvement at all with this stuff. And I'm just like, yeah, 1729 01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:58.279 even even you shooting the prequels all in a computer 1730 01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:03.239 generated set, like maybe that's saying something more than this 1731 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.520 thing is like the stuff where they used the volume 1732 01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:09.479 and created these beautiful scenes of that look great. I 1733 01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:11.680 thought that was wonderful. But then other times where they're 1734 01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:15.039 just like, well, we're casturing this, capturing this effect in camera, 1735 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:17.640 like yeah, this kind of looks assy, Like what do 1736 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:20.720 you do? These are very assy effects? And yeah, we're 1737 01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:22.720 gonna start Penny pinching where you're going to fire the 1738 01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:25.680 production designer or she quits, We're going to fire the 1739 01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:28.560 production people, we're going to fire the special effects people. 1740 01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:31.479 And yeah, it just does feel like it's coming from poverty, 1741 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:34.159 whereas like, well, dude, maybe if you didn't buy a 1742 01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:36.760 fucking hotel and tear down all these walls and make 1743 01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:40.319 a screening room inside of there. And that's the exact 1744 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:42.600 same shit he was doing and has done for so 1745 01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:45.079 many of these films where it's like, oh, yeah, I 1746 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:47.359 bought this thing and then I turned it into a 1747 01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:49.880 screening room. We're gonna do all the editing here, like 1748 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:54.359 we're gonna buy an RV and do all of these things. 1749 01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:55.960 And here like he had that whole idea of I 1750 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.640 want to shoot one from the heart as like live 1751 01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:01.520 television kind of thing, cut from camera to camera, and 1752 01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:03.520 we're gonna have a van outside where you do all 1753 01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:06.680 of the mixing and everything. It's like, Okay, you've got 1754 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:10.199 these ideas, but you just never, like I said before, 1755 01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:13.359 he never sticks to landing. Like occasionally he seems to 1756 01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:15.479 be successful despite of himself. 1757 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:18.279 That's exactly what I was thinking. You look at like 1758 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:24.239 his method quote unquote. 1759 01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:28.199 I don't see any listen. 1760 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:30.760 At all. 1761 01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:36.239 Like you're saying, has not changed. I kept thinking watching 1762 01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:38.640 this like Chilah Boff is coming across as like the 1763 01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:44.159 Corey Feldman of this situation, where he's trying to make 1764 01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:46.880 it all about him, but at the same time he's 1765 01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:49.119 not one hundred percent wrong, Like some of these things 1766 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:53.399 that he's complaining about are legit issues, you know, And 1767 01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:56.640 Copla's reaction most of the time seems to be like, 1768 01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.199 you don't know anything. I've done this for all my 1769 01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:02.119 life and you know I'm I'm And it's like, yeah, 1770 01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:05.239 but let's talk about the track record then, like if 1771 01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:07.680 you know, just if it's worth fifty percent of the time, 1772 01:34:07.720 --> 01:34:09.880 that doesn't mean it's bulletproof. 1773 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:13.279 Sixty percent of the time it works every time. 1774 01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:17.039 It does very much feel like he's still living in 1775 01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:19.439 this other place, like like going back to the Hearts 1776 01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:21.199 of Darkness when he talks about like you know, if 1777 01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:23.800 you if you take this much money and treat it 1778 01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:26.239 like it's way more than it just makes and it's like, 1779 01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:30.039 you can't treat one hundred and twenty million dollars the 1780 01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:32.840 way that you're you know, you can't spend it this way. 1781 01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:36.119 Figus is up against the fact that Adam Driver, the 1782 01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:39.399 actress who plays Julia, there's a lot of people who 1783 01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:41.359 either will give him a little bit of time or 1784 01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:42.319 like none at all. 1785 01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:44.520 She isn't like when people film her eating. 1786 01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:49.199 When I think about this documentary, it almost feels like 1787 01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:50.800 like you were talking about, let's see if we can 1788 01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:53.840 re edit Megapolis and see if there's a better film 1789 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:55.800 in there. There's part of me that it's like, let's 1790 01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:58.279 re edit this and make it a documentary about Shila 1791 01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:02.119 buff because he actually is the most interesting and engaged 1792 01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:04.560 person here. It's like him and Aubrey Plaza are the 1793 01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:10.399 two most interesting people I find in this entire documentary. 1794 01:35:09.039 --> 01:35:10.760 Because they're the only participants. 1795 01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:15.199 Like Aubrey Plaza, both in the movie and outside of 1796 01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:18.199 the movie, feels like she is so disconnected from everything 1797 01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:20.239 and she's just like, yeah, I'm having a good time. 1798 01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:23.039 Yeah this is good. I'm gonna drink this champagne. I'm 1799 01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:26.279 gonna just you know, enjoy myself on set do these 1800 01:35:26.359 --> 01:35:29.399 acting exercises, and like it feels like half of this 1801 01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:32.239 movie is that I'm doing acting exercises and I'm just like, 1802 01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:35.960 you are wasting so much time and money. Francis, what 1803 01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:37.640 the fuck are you doing well? 1804 01:35:37.640 --> 01:35:40.600 And that whole weird thing between with her and Dustin 1805 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:43.439 Hoffman where they're doing the arm wrestling thing, which he 1806 01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:45.840 just ended it like it was like, okay, forget it. 1807 01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:49.359 I'm like, I know everything I need to know about 1808 01:35:49.399 --> 01:35:50.039 you now. 1809 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:52.760 And he just comes off as a total creep in 1810 01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:56.439 oh yeah thementary, Yeah, yeah, very much so. And yeah, 1811 01:35:56.520 --> 01:35:59.399 your main character, Adam Driver does not really want to 1812 01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:02.159 talk to you at all, And I'm like, Okay, that 1813 01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:06.279 makes for a great documentary. This feels like a DVD 1814 01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:10.680 extra that I would complain about on the DVD for Megalopolips, 1815 01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:14.039 which has never really been released in the United States. 1816 01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:16.640 You know, he's doing that road show. This is how 1817 01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:19.439 movies make money. This is how Apocalypse Now made money. 1818 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:21.520 You just keep you just keep it in theaters for 1819 01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:24.760 one hundred years, even though it's not in any theaters 1820 01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:25.239 right now. 1821 01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:30.520 She's doing acting exercises, even when she's auditioning for the part. 1822 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:34.439 He's asking her to do these things, and I'm just like, Francis, 1823 01:36:34.479 --> 01:36:37.359 you are so fucking annoying. I know that Hearts of 1824 01:36:37.439 --> 01:36:40.720 Darkness did not paint him a good light in any way, 1825 01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:43.560 but at least I kind of empathized with him at 1826 01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:46.520 times because it felt like his whole world was crashing down. 1827 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:48.880 In this one, it feels like he's there pulling it down, 1828 01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:51.159 you know, he's trying to be Dustin Hoffman and his 1829 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:54.119 death scene just pulling down the columns on himself. 1830 01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:56.880 The great thing about Hearts of Darkness is that he 1831 01:36:56.920 --> 01:36:59.600 can always point to Brando and go, see, I've got 1832 01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:02.359 a deal with the Diva. The Diva is doing this 1833 01:37:02.439 --> 01:37:04.159 to me, And in this he's. 1834 01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:05.640 Got no by himself. 1835 01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:06.479 This is his own diva. 1836 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:07.439 Yeah. 1837 01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:11.039 And the thing about Dustin Hoffman, I love the honesty 1838 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:14.000 of Dustin Hoffman in here, where he's like, I don't, 1839 01:37:14.039 --> 01:37:15.159 I don't know what any. 1840 01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:15.600 Of this means. 1841 01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:19.279 I don't have a clue. I still don't. 1842 01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:21.359 He's like, I shot it, and I shot it and 1843 01:37:21.399 --> 01:37:23.960 I still don't. Just to be that honest and that 1844 01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:26.920 willing to be that honest, I mean, that's great. I 1845 01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:28.399 think it's partly to do with the fact that he's 1846 01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:30.079 about the same age as Copla and he doesn't care 1847 01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:34.199 anymore since eighties, what you find is Shia Labuffo in 1848 01:37:34.279 --> 01:37:36.399 the other way and trying to push back and go hey, man, 1849 01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:40.079 like help me with this, and he's like, yay, you 1850 01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:41.640 know that's not real. 1851 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.079 That's not real. Like you said, Mike, that's not real. 1852 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:46.159 That's real. 1853 01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:49.840 Going back to what your earlier question about, in something 1854 01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:53.239 like Shilah buff should have directed this, then we would 1855 01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:57.479 have Then we would have had something. He'd still be 1856 01:37:57.520 --> 01:37:59.840 shooting it but still or. 1857 01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:02.159 He'd be watching it in a movie theater. I would 1858 01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:05.640 like to see his reaction to watching Megalopolis now, like, 1859 01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:08.319 let's re rent out that theater, Shia and just sit 1860 01:38:08.359 --> 01:38:11.640 there and watch the movies that you've made since you 1861 01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:14.960 did that kind of art installation thing that he was. 1862 01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:19.399 Doing yesterday, you said tomorrow, So just do it. 1863 01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:24.119 Make your dreams come true. Just do it. 1864 01:38:24.720 --> 01:38:26.279 Don't let your dreams be dreamed. 1865 01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:31.079 He is responsible for some of the best things in 1866 01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:33.039 the Internet, and his whole thing where he's talking about 1867 01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:35.600 how he has to make amends with John Voight and 1868 01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:38.199 because I was like, oh, yeah, they were in holes together. 1869 01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:40.239 I think they've been in a few things and the 1870 01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:43.920 first Transformers that's right, yes, of course, who can forget 1871 01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:47.279 Sam with wiki Yeah, and John Voight as the president 1872 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:50.640 the loss of sam wit Wiki from those Transformers films 1873 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:54.439 really made the last five, ten, fifteen of those just 1874 01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:55.800 feel very lacking. 1875 01:38:56.119 --> 01:38:58.199 Yeah, I agree, but at least. 1876 01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:01.119 We really are clear on what's staff statory rapez. 1877 01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:03.800 Yes, that yeah, that was. That was very helpful in 1878 01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:06.680 U in the in the fourth one, like a critical 1879 01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:09.119 plot point to to that entire story. 1880 01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:15.399 But to your reference to Michael Bay, since you invoked him, uh, 1881 01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:19.560 do we agree that a bad Francis Ford Coppola film 1882 01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:21.920 is better than a good Michael Bay film? 1883 01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:23.000 No? 1884 01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:26.199 No, I think Pain and Game is way better than 1885 01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:29.199 a lot of the movies that Francis has done. 1886 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:33.039 I don't want to say say but like the film 1887 01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:35.119 nerded me wants to be able to say no, no, no, 1888 01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:37.439 no the worst. But but I have to agree with 1889 01:39:37.479 --> 01:39:40.840 Mike and I haven't even seen Pain and Game. I 1890 01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:43.920 feel like there are other Michael Bay movies. I'm like, like, uh, 1891 01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:46.159 I think that that might have been better. 1892 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:49.399 Armageddon way better than some of the things I've seen. 1893 01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:51.000 I mean, it was better than this movie. 1894 01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:53.720 Armageddon got a criterion, will Megalopolis? 1895 01:39:53.720 --> 01:39:56.039 Ever, I don't know who is he ever going to 1896 01:39:56.119 --> 01:39:57.159 release it? Ever? 1897 01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:01.479 I feel like that conversation was happening right up until 1898 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:04.399 the movie was released, and then it was like, no, 1899 01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:05.800 we're good. 1900 01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:09.840 I will say, Peanut Butter falcon way better movie than 1901 01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:10.239 this one. 1902 01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:12.359 That's almost enough to get me to see it. 1903 01:40:13.039 --> 01:40:15.640 Yeah, it was actually pretty good. Yeah, it's so weird, 1904 01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:18.640 Like even when Sam Wasawson shows up in this movie, 1905 01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:20.920 like my wife was just like who is that? I 1906 01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:22.720 was like, oh, it's Sam Watson. He wrote a couple 1907 01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:25.680 of books and I forgot that he wrote about Francis. 1908 01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:28.479 And then I was like, why was he in that movie? 1909 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:32.239 Why am I asking this question? You know, mister Figus, 1910 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.039 Like why aren't you presenting me with a little bit 1911 01:40:35.039 --> 01:40:37.000 more information about this stuff. 1912 01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:40.239 It also does make me wonder, though, if, now that 1913 01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:43.760 we're talking about it, if this was the best they 1914 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:48.359 guess could make out of what he was allowed to do. 1915 01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:51.840 Well, you can at least put on some on screen 1916 01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:55.680 fucking titles. Man, I don't need to see the stuff 1917 01:40:55.720 --> 01:40:58.680 with the hats done twelve times. If I could like 1918 01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:01.720 save a little bit of money and eliminate some hat 1919 01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:05.840 throwing sequences and spend some money for on screen titles, 1920 01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:08.439 you know, like let's fire up the Chiron machine and 1921 01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:11.319 actually do that, and he has those occasionally where he'll 1922 01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:14.039 show an actor and say what their name is and 1923 01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:17.840 what their role is and they actually say Sam Watson author, 1924 01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:20.479 But I'm like author of what, you know, like say 1925 01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:23.880 like what he's done. You know, I would really think 1926 01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:26.119 that would be great. And yeah, I just feel so 1927 01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:28.239 bad for the other cast people that are on here, 1928 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:31.199 except for the costume designer who just seems like a 1929 01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:32.279 real pain in the ass. 1930 01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:35.279 Yeah, that's true. That feel very much like she is. 1931 01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:38.680 This is my moment, and you know I am. You 1932 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:41.760 are all very very fortunate to be in my presence 1933 01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:46.119 and seeing all these things happen right now. It's like, Okay, 1934 01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:49.640 the costumes were fun to look at in that display 1935 01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:52.520 case that they had for them at Greenfield Village or 1936 01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:54.000 Heavy Forward when we were there. 1937 01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:57.760 They made so many good decisions and then they were 1938 01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:00.159 just followed by bad decisions. 1939 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.520 That in Aubrey Plais, this crazy outfit at the end, well, 1940 01:42:03.560 --> 01:42:06.039 you need to make sure that there's enough enough space 1941 01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:08.760 there so that the so that the arrow can get 1942 01:42:08.840 --> 01:42:09.600 right in there. 1943 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:12.800 Yeah, I do like the I can't remember who it is, 1944 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.000 it says, last time I saw you, you were getting 1945 01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:17.239 an arrow pulled out of your ass. 1946 01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:19.600 Yeah, yeah, No, I think it was the biggest saying 1947 01:42:19.680 --> 01:42:22.560 that too to him in the h in the in 1948 01:42:22.600 --> 01:42:25.119 the No, maybe you're right, maybe I'm wrong, but yeah, I. 1949 01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:26.359 Think he might be right. I think I might have 1950 01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:26.960 been figures. 1951 01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:31.000 Yeah, and before you get Mussolini and. 1952 01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:33.479 I don't know, do we want to talk at all 1953 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:38.079 about the controversy when it comes to how friendly Francis 1954 01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.239 was with some of the extras in the movie, because 1955 01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:43.399 they sure skirt that issue big time in the stock. 1956 01:42:44.079 --> 01:42:47.159 At least they put some passing reference to it in there. 1957 01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:48.920 So I guess if you want to know more, go 1958 01:42:49.039 --> 01:42:49.560 find out. 1959 01:42:50.199 --> 01:42:52.520 I mean, it just it to me. It just adds 1960 01:42:52.560 --> 01:42:55.720 on to like the there's just a creepiness to so 1961 01:42:55.880 --> 01:42:59.840 much of this, especially the script when Caesar is just 1962 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:02.319 going on and on and on about women, and it's 1963 01:43:02.439 --> 01:43:04.960 just like and how weak he is and how much 1964 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:07.119 he wants this, and it's just like, man, this is 1965 01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:10.479 all gross. And it was like, because I was reading 1966 01:43:10.479 --> 01:43:12.640 that before I watched it again and I'm like, was 1967 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:14.920 this in the movie? I really hope not, because I 1968 01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:16.960 really hope Adam Driving didn't have to say any of 1969 01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:19.399 this stuff, because it's just terrible. 1970 01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:22.800 And then Rob you brought up another movie that happened 1971 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.359 to come out the exact same year, made for a 1972 01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:28.800 fraction of the cost, also about an architect. 1973 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:33.000 Yeah, just thinking about doing this movie got me thinking 1974 01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:36.079 about architecture film and the fact that you have two 1975 01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:38.279 movies that came out This kind of felt like to me, 1976 01:43:38.760 --> 01:43:40.880 you know, in its own little way, that one year 1977 01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:42.520 where you had the two World War two movies, you 1978 01:43:42.520 --> 01:43:45.119 had Saving Drivate Ryan and you had Thin Redline, two 1979 01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:48.359 very different filmmakers, different styles, you know, both doing World 1980 01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:52.079 War two movies. So The Brutalist was made for probably 1981 01:43:52.119 --> 01:43:54.359 the catering budget or maybe the hotel budgets that they 1982 01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:57.800 bought and rehab that hotel about ten million dollars. To me, 1983 01:43:58.119 --> 01:43:59.680 it feels like it deals with a lot of the 1984 01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:03.239 same issues, which got me thinking about how architects are 1985 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:07.239 often perceived in other films. And I think, you know, 1986 01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:10.920 you referenced it up the top about iin Rand, and 1987 01:44:10.960 --> 01:44:12.880 I think we owe a lot to ein Rand for 1988 01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:16.399 the fountain Head, for maybe setting us down this path 1989 01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:19.920 of the idea that the architect is this megalamaniacal artist 1990 01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:23.319 who has a vision and damn the torpedoes and screw 1991 01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:24.399 everyone else around me. 1992 01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:28.000 You're fucking idiots. I'm the one who who knows. 1993 01:44:28.479 --> 01:44:31.439 Yeah, I thought the Brulis was great, and and to 1994 01:44:31.479 --> 01:44:34.439 your point, in many ways, the antithesis of this, right, 1995 01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:40.359 the brutaliss is is the less is way more, whereas 1996 01:44:40.399 --> 01:44:43.079 this is more is so so much less, like I've 1997 01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:46.279 been staying earlier, where in the Bruless is like, Okay, 1998 01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:50.439 we're gonna go ahead and follow this one character and 1999 01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:53.000 we're gonna stay with them, and we're not gonna go 2000 01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:55.159 off on a whole bunch of different tangents. There will 2001 01:44:55.159 --> 01:44:57.680 be other people in his life, and they will be very, 2002 01:44:57.800 --> 01:45:02.520 very impactful, but they will also be fully realized. We're 2003 01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:05.920 going to see this person's journey through trying to create, 2004 01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:09.520 you know, as an artist, being impacted by all these 2005 01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:14.159 different things, and how he ultimately perseveres, what that's worth, 2006 01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:18.000 what the cost is, and and and and where his 2007 01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:21.960 art ends up. And there's no there's no trapped baby 2008 01:45:22.119 --> 01:45:24.319 at the end of it either. You're absolutely right. There 2009 01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:29.039 are so many similar themes because it's it's it's also 2010 01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:34.560 I remember a letterboxed review for Megalopolis, which was calling 2011 01:45:34.600 --> 01:45:36.399 out the whole it was it was I think it 2012 01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:39.520 was it was Megan Abbott who had said, like like 2013 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:44.039 a pox on all the great Man movies, and she said, 2014 01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:46.600 and any of them that are being made. I think 2015 01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:49.840 she said, something made without irony, and she goes, I'm 2016 01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:52.800 looking at you, the brutalist, because it hadn't come out yet, 2017 01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:55.439 you know, and then it comes out and then she 2018 01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:57.880 you know, she I'm pretty sure she did like that, 2019 01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:01.520 because yeah, like this, this is how you approach this 2020 01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:08.000 subject in a way that fulfills the themes that you're attempting, right, 2021 01:46:08.319 --> 01:46:12.600 And it isn't just the lack of megalon. 2022 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:14.760 Well, the other piece I was thinking about, Mike, and 2023 01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:19.720 you had mentioned this about Coppola commenting on America, and 2024 01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:24.600 the Brutalist does that in such a way that it says, 2025 01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:28.319 you love me here, you don't love me here. The 2026 01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:31.600 whole question of the immigrant experience as the son of 2027 01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:35.560 an immigrant, you know, all of it to me is 2028 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:39.479 that if Copola could have weeded this down and got 2029 01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:42.199 it to a place and made this back during his 2030 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:46.079 golden age in the seventies, that would have been in there, 2031 01:46:46.199 --> 01:46:47.199 that would have been that story. 2032 01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:52.960 It's a little much with the Guy Pierce character doing 2033 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:55.119 what he does later in the movie. That's a little 2034 01:46:55.159 --> 01:47:00.640 on the nose, But otherwise I was pretty pretty happy 2035 01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:05.119 with The Brutalist from Stem to Stern, especially all the 2036 01:47:05.159 --> 01:47:09.399 hand jobs that are given to the Brutalist by his wife. Yeah, 2037 01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:13.000 that was fantastic. It was such a stronger story. I 2038 01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:17.159 thought that the music was a lot better. The music 2039 01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:20.800 in Megalopolis is so discordant at times, and I know 2040 01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:24.039 that it's on purpose, but at the same time, it 2041 01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:28.199 feels just very childish, just like, Okay, things are stressed out, 2042 01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:31.560 so we're going to play very discordant music here. Okay, Yeah, 2043 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:35.319 I get it, Like give me something, give me something stronger, 2044 01:47:35.399 --> 01:47:38.399 give me something better, give me something that kind of 2045 01:47:38.439 --> 01:47:41.720 feels more like a hole. And Megalopolis feels like a 2046 01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:45.159 series of scenes. And even though The Brutalist is literally 2047 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:48.279 a movie in two parts with an intermission in it, 2048 01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:50.479 it feels very much like a hole and it feels 2049 01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:55.000 like this one person's entire life story. I just appreciate 2050 01:47:55.159 --> 01:47:59.960 how cohesive it is, and Megalopolis is anything but Cohie 2051 01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:04.039 and architects and movies. I mean, there was a period there, 2052 01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:07.079 especially in the late eighties early nineties where I was 2053 01:48:07.159 --> 01:48:10.359 really picking up on how many architects were in movies. 2054 01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:14.039 I mean, this is a silly example, but the Peter 2055 01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:17.279 Greenaway film Belly of the Architect of Sorry, Belly of 2056 01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:20.439 an Architect comes out the same year as Three Men 2057 01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:23.520 and a Baby, where the Tom Selleck character is an architect, 2058 01:48:23.720 --> 01:48:26.600 which comes out just a few years before. I think 2059 01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:30.880 it was Jungle Fever, where the Wesley Snipe's character is 2060 01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:32.680 an architect, and it just felt like there was so 2061 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:37.600 many freaking architects in movies. I think even Indecent Proposal 2062 01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:41.000 had an architect in it, and it's just like so 2063 01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:43.520 many and it was like kind of a trope for 2064 01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:48.520 a long time where these architects, and where even without architects, 2065 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:50.960 I mean, the first movie that pops to my mind 2066 01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:57.399 is Ransom with Mel Gibson, or even Lethal Weapon, where 2067 01:48:57.640 --> 01:49:00.520 if your house is being repaired or your house is 2068 01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:04.239 under construction, that means that there's a problem with the family, 2069 01:49:04.600 --> 01:49:06.560 and it feels like that was kind of playing right 2070 01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:09.279 into this whole architect thing of like, here are these 2071 01:49:09.279 --> 01:49:11.640 people that are supposed to be in control and supposed 2072 01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:14.640 to be, you know, creating all this stuff, but they're 2073 01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:17.600 mired in chaos. You know, you're mired in the chaos 2074 01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:22.399 of introducing a little baby into this bachelor apartment with 2075 01:49:22.439 --> 01:49:24.840 these three wacky guys. Which I still haven't seen the 2076 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:28.640 original French film. I'm always curious how that compares. But yeah, 2077 01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:31.319 architects were freaking everywhere back then. 2078 01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:33.920 In the In the French one, the baby ends up 2079 01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:37.239 trapped and the guys are all frozen in time. It's 2080 01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:38.239 it's crazy, man. 2081 01:49:39.479 --> 01:49:41.840 When I brought this up, my girlfriend said, Sleepless in. 2082 01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:44.079 Seattle, Oh right, yeah. 2083 01:49:44.079 --> 01:49:47.119 And then and then as I went into Wikipedia and 2084 01:49:47.159 --> 01:49:51.159 pulled up movies about architects, it gave me click which 2085 01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:55.319 I've never seen, the Adam Sandler, which he's an architect. 2086 01:49:56.039 --> 01:49:59.279 I don't really want Adam Sandler designing anything. I would 2087 01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:02.199 much rather have Mike Brady and his brood of children 2088 01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:06.399 around rather than Adam Sandler, like, oh, bebety pop. I'm 2089 01:50:06.439 --> 01:50:07.840 going to make the house. 2090 01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:11.760 A lot of these tropes of the architect I mean, 2091 01:50:12.640 --> 01:50:15.159 for lack of a better it seems like everyone's playing 2092 01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:19.479 a riff off of Iin Rand. The character has to 2093 01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:22.520 be a control freak, the character has to be better 2094 01:50:22.560 --> 01:50:25.359 than you, I know, you don't you know? And then 2095 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:27.680 they get to come up and I guess it's all 2096 01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:30.680 the individualism, the Emersonian mind. 2097 01:50:31.319 --> 01:50:34.680 And you think one year of medical school entitles you 2098 01:50:34.760 --> 01:50:37.119 to plow for the riches of my Emersonian mind. 2099 01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:43.680 Entitles me yes, entitles me yes, entitles me yes. 2100 01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:48.479 Iin Rant's her whole other ball of wax where it's 2101 01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:51.840 just I know better than everybody else. Everyone is a 2102 01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:54.560 leech on the state. But yet I take SSI. I mean, 2103 01:50:54.560 --> 01:50:57.159 it's it's snap benefits all over again. 2104 01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:01.000 I mean, if anyone who's listening has any take on architects, 2105 01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:03.840 feel free go to the Projection Booth podcast website and 2106 01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:08.760 tell us other architect movies. And why does this trope exist? 2107 01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:11.439 Why isn't he a painter? Why is he a sculptor? 2108 01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:13.720 Why isn't he doing some other kind of art? Why 2109 01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:14.760 is it going to be an architect? 2110 01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:19.239 I just keep thinking about how it culminated with Seinfeld, right, 2111 01:51:19.439 --> 01:51:22.920 like with George always talking about wanting to be an architect. 2112 01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:25.239 I don't see architecture coming from you. 2113 01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:28.720 Yeah, well you know Megalon is very much like Latex 2114 01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:33.640 and Latex accessories Vandale industries could create Megalon if they 2115 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:35.840 just worked a little harder at it. It could be 2116 01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:38.560 like transparent aluminum. Who's to say that he didn't invent 2117 01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:41.760 it in the first place, all right, guys, I don't 2118 01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:45.520 know if I've learned anything more about Megalopolis today from 2119 01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:48.600 our discussion than not, but I'm hoping that I can 2120 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:51.119 stop thinking about it on a daily basis now. I 2121 01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:53.840 feel like I've exercised some demons with this. 2122 01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:57.239 Can only think about it less now, That's what I'm 2123 01:51:57.239 --> 01:52:01.600 taking from this. More is going to still be less. 2124 01:52:00.439 --> 01:52:02.960 Nothing six feeds or maybe it doesn't. 2125 01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:05.399 Well, thank you so much, guys for being on the 2126 01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:08.720 show today, Robin, Mike. So, Mike, what's been keeping you busy? 2127 01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:12.760 Sir? Now that Megalon is out there, I'm really focused 2128 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:17.359 on I think it's called fluid karma or is it liquid? 2129 01:52:17.399 --> 01:52:20.119 I think it's fluid karma. So once I'm done developing that, 2130 01:52:20.479 --> 01:52:22.479 and you know, then I'm going to stop time and 2131 01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:25.039 let my kids live their lives. 2132 01:52:26.159 --> 01:52:28.199 As you're stuck in a time loop forever. 2133 01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:30.920 Yeah yeah, but I'll just be by myself and. 2134 01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:31.920 Rob, how about yourself? 2135 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:34.880 Well, I'm continuing on the path of being the great man, 2136 01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:37.079 So you know, just give me your money and follow 2137 01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:40.439 what I say. Beyond that, just continue to do the 2138 01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:43.239 writing I said, I've written a couple of books over 2139 01:52:43.279 --> 01:52:45.840 the past year or so. I'm working on editing them 2140 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:48.720 so that they may be presentable to someone who may 2141 01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:49.439 be interested. 2142 01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:50.880 So that's been. 2143 01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:54.319 About it, watching movies and glad to be since we're 2144 01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:57.680 coming into early twenty sixteen. By the time this comes out, 2145 01:52:58.079 --> 01:53:01.319 probb me sixteen you are controlling. Yeah, I have drilling 2146 01:53:01.399 --> 01:53:06.159 time twenty six I will be on the show more often. 2147 01:53:06.239 --> 01:53:08.760 I think I'm on maybe once a month in the 2148 01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:12.439 coming year, so that's nice and I always enjoy coming 2149 01:53:12.479 --> 01:53:13.920 on talking with you, so it'll be fun. 2150 01:53:14.680 --> 01:53:16.760 Thanks again, guys for being on the show. Thanks to 2151 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:19.520 everybody for listening. Do you want to support physical media 2152 01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:21.439 and get great movies in the mail, head over to 2153 01:53:21.479 --> 01:53:24.359 scarecrow dot com and try. Scarecrow Video is incredible rent 2154 01:53:24.399 --> 01:53:28.640 by mail service, the largest publicly available collection in the world. 2155 01:53:29.760 --> 01:53:33.399 You'll find films there entirely unavailable elsewhere. Get what you want, 2156 01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:36.800 when you want it without the scrolling. And yes they 2157 01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:39.600 have Megalopolis. If you want to hear more of me 2158 01:53:39.640 --> 01:53:41.159 shooting off my mouth check out some of the other 2159 01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.000 shows that I work on. They are all available at 2160 01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:46.760 Weirdingwaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our Patreon community. If 2161 01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:49.119 you want to join the community, visit patreon dot com 2162 01:53:49.159 --> 01:53:52.119 slash Projection booth. Like you said, Rob, We're all great 2163 01:53:52.119 --> 01:53:55.359 man here, just give us money. 2164 01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:09.000 So I don't wide up bobus not down a fraize 2165 01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:16.880 far out bad, said mom. I get said it is 2166 01:54:17.760 --> 01:54:22.119 a fell lot sounds far out of bad. 2167 01:54:22.359 --> 01:54:22.439 Go. 2168 01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:25.840 Down. 2169 01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:32.640 I don't rather show off my dog like far out bad, go. 2170 01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:56.239 Strivest my doll right far bad, got lost it said 2171 01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:59.279 s side. Oh why not on. 2172 01:55:17.239 --> 01:55:17.359 Right? 2173 01:55:17.359 --> 01:55:18.319 Because not find a way. 2174 01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:48.720 Entitles me yes, Entitles me yes. She entitles me yes, 2175 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:56.720 Entitles me yes, Entitles me yes, Entitles me yes, Entitles 2176 01:55:56.760 --> 01:56:03.640 me yes, Entitles me yes, titles me yes, entitles me yes, 2177 01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:09.880 entitles me yes. She entitles me yes, Entitles me yes, 2178 01:56:10.720 --> 01:56:16.119 entitles me yes. She entitles me yes, Entitles me yes, 2179 01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:22.359 Entitles me yes. She entitles me yes, entitles me yes, 2180 01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:24.479 entitles me yes. 2181 01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:26.199 She entitles me yes.