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Speaker 1: the lightning. I'm your host, Doc Brown, and here we
Speaker 1: like to use the allegory of the Prometheus lens to
Speaker 1: take a second look at everything. Well, guys, I got
Speaker 1: a real good show lined up for you. This is
Speaker 1: a podcasting brother from another mother. We just spent some
Speaker 1: time together in the trenches out in Gatlinburg. Got the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot conference. Man, We had such a good time, and
Speaker 1: he allowed me to hang out of his booth and
Speaker 1: sell a couple of books. And I've been on his
Speaker 1: show once, but this is the first time, first of
Speaker 1: many on my show. We'd like to welcome to the
Speaker 1: Prometheus Lens Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds. How you doing, brother,
Speaker 1: great man?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. That was a lot of
Speaker 2: fun at the Smunky Mountain Bigfoot conference. First time we met,
Speaker 2: like you were on my show. God, it's been a
Speaker 2: while then.
Speaker 1: It was run in January or February, is right when
Speaker 1: I released the book.
Speaker 2: And you know, it was really good to me in person.
Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely man.
Speaker 2: And a bunch of the other guys, Harley Owens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even Kevin. Kevin from where the Weird Ones Are.
Speaker 1: He come all the way down from Maryland, Maine or Maine.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, I came from New York. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was a lot of fun. Though it
Speaker 2: was so good to me in person. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a real good time hanging out with
Speaker 1: you man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, for those men that are not familiar with you
Speaker 1: or your show or what you do, just kind of
Speaker 1: give us a feel of who the bennet Man, is
Speaker 1: what your show's about. What kind of got you into space?
Speaker 1: Just give us a little bit of a feel for
Speaker 1: those that don't know about your brother.
Speaker 2: All right, I am Benetton. I am a father of
Speaker 2: four daughters. I'm gonna give it the whole thing, father
Speaker 2: four daughters. I'm married to the love of my life.
Speaker 2: We've been married twenty one years, and I live in
Speaker 2: upstate New York and I have a podcast called Broadcasting Seeds.
Speaker 2: I've been in the podcast game for about since twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: so about eleven years. Had some other podcasts, as most
Speaker 2: of us have, right, but I landed in this space,
Speaker 2: and I like to call it the highest strange in
Speaker 2: the space because the show Broadcasting Seeds covered all the genre, right.
Speaker 2: It's everything from cryptids to even a little true crime
Speaker 2: sprinkled in here. But it started with Bigfoot. I've had
Speaker 2: some experiences, some sightings and or face to face experiences,
Speaker 2: and that's what really got me. I've always been curious, really,
Speaker 2: like you know, I was that kid. I'd be in
Speaker 2: the library because I'm older gen X kid didn't have
Speaker 2: the Internet, so I'd be in the library finding the
Speaker 2: big Foot books. Are I was really obsessed with lockness too,
Speaker 2: like I think a lot of our generation was, because
Speaker 2: that's what there was, really, right, bigfoot lockness. But broadcasting
Speaker 2: seeds easy enough to find, just broadcasting seeds dot com
Speaker 2: and on every platform that you could dream up, probably right,
Speaker 2: like all of us are. And I just love talking
Speaker 2: about this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for real, me too, man. That's why I
Speaker 1: tell a lot of people because a lot of people
Speaker 1: have the idea, you know, of Hey, man, that's easy enough.
Speaker 1: You just talk with people, I want to do a podcast.
Speaker 1: I want to have my own podcast. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: they get into it, man, And ninety percent of them
Speaker 1: don't make it past six months, a little one a
Speaker 1: year because they don't realize all the time you spend studying,
Speaker 1: getting guests, all the money you spend on the cameras
Speaker 1: and software to edit all this stuff, and if it's
Speaker 1: not something that you love to do, you will burn
Speaker 1: out very very fast.
Speaker 2: For sure, I am. And that's what's happened with other podcasts.
Speaker 2: I mean I was in a different space too with those.
Speaker 2: It was first podcast ever did was very veteran, veteran centric.
Speaker 2: I'm a military veteran, and that one was marine centered
Speaker 2: podcast and it's like you, I don't know, it's not
Speaker 2: like we ran out of content, but you just And
Speaker 2: also I had multiple guests. This is something else. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure the people that have not multiple guests, multiple hosts,
Speaker 2: the shows that have multiple hosts, that's another layer of
Speaker 2: difficult crap you gotta go through, right because you gotta
Speaker 2: jimmy around with everyone's schedule and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 2: So we have we have friends that deal with that
Speaker 2: correct right now, and but you know, you make it happen.
Speaker 2: But then after about three or four years of that,
Speaker 2: it was just like, so started another veteran again, Glad
Speaker 2: for Punishment, another veteran podcast with another buddy of mine,
Speaker 2: and that one went a lot better. We actually ended
Speaker 2: up creating a podcast network, and then we ended up
Speaker 2: effectively selling that. I mean, we didn't make anything right,
Speaker 2: but it is what it is. But it was a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. But now it's the broadcasting seeds man,
Speaker 2: and I just love the people in this space. Some
Speaker 2: of them, let's be honest, they're a little challenging, it's right,
Speaker 2: but many of them are just good people and I
Speaker 2: love It's really centered me in like the Christian space
Speaker 2: a little bit because I didn't realize that even though
Speaker 2: I would consider myself a Christian before all this, I
Speaker 2: didn't realize the overlap and the uh that it's all
Speaker 2: connected m h in my opinion. So that's been something
Speaker 2: that's been crazy.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, one hundred percent. Man. Well, another thing that
Speaker 1: you had talked to me about over that weekend at
Speaker 1: the conference is that you're even affiliated and like helped
Speaker 1: produce a magazine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Strange Knocks Magazine, which literally, yeah, here's copy. There's
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of writers that and some people have
Speaker 2: I've heard of, like Brian king Sharp he writes and
Speaker 2: he's written an article in here, and there's just a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of people. But it literally talks about it's
Speaker 2: not just cryptids are paranormal. It's a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2: And it's with a friend of mine, Gwen Purcell, it's
Speaker 2: her name, and she runs a website called God Knockers
Speaker 2: and Bigfoot Knockers. She happens to be female, but either way, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's a lot of fun. And we it's a
Speaker 2: quarterly magazine and we just kind of solicit out there.
Speaker 2: This next issue will be Halloween issue because it'll come
Speaker 2: out in October, and so most of the stuff in
Speaker 2: that one will be you know, spooky Halloween in nature.
Speaker 2: But you know there's just a lot of irons in
Speaker 2: the fire man. Oh yeah, it's just another thing to
Speaker 2: do too, right, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried.
Speaker 2: I try to help her as much as I can.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's universal thing. It's like most
Speaker 1: of us podcasters are big adhd ers, so we all
Speaker 1: have to have, you know, multiple balls to juggle. That way,
Speaker 1: we feel like we're doing something entertained consistently.
Speaker 2: Consistently. You wish that you could just and see. That
Speaker 2: was the thing when I started this whole thing, is
Speaker 2: I really wanted to focus on cryptids. Just can't do it. Though,
Speaker 2: once you start digging into it all again, it's all
Speaker 2: connected and you start next seeing you know, you're interviewing
Speaker 2: people about the connection to UFOs and or UAPs or
Speaker 2: whatever they're called now, right, And then you get folks
Speaker 2: on like like Gary Wayne, and you start pulling the
Speaker 2: Bible in and guys like you pulling the Bible and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, man, I cannot just do cryptids. So uh,
Speaker 2: definitely definitely fun. But it's a lot of research, so
Speaker 2: much research, which I love to do, but it's a
Speaker 2: lot of work, especially when you got some good guests
Speaker 2: you're just like and then you try to do diversity
Speaker 2: you know guests too. So yeah, man, I've been.
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Speaker 1: So well you had mentioned earlier, Bean that you had
Speaker 1: had some bigfoot experiences and it was kind of like
Speaker 1: your your gateway drug into the strange and paranormal. I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear those, if you're willing to tell them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, so I the first one. I grew up
Speaker 2: in Illinois, farm and a little town, little farm town
Speaker 2: in the like the middle north central area of Illinois,
Speaker 2: and we were I was a boy scout, so we
Speaker 2: we had this camp that we always went to and
Speaker 2: we'd go to it all the time, uh, not like
Speaker 2: every weekend, but during the summer we camped there a
Speaker 2: lot as a boy Scout troop. And what we had,
Speaker 2: like what was so cool about is we had free reign.
Speaker 2: Right now, one of the things I want to bring
Speaker 2: up first is there were I guess you could say
Speaker 2: Indian like local legends of sasquatch like creatures already that
Speaker 2: we had known about, right And if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: but I've tried to do research on this, and it's
Speaker 2: it's really hard. So I like bringing this up on
Speaker 2: other people's podcasts because people that might know. This was
Speaker 2: McClain County, Illinois, and I can't the name of the
Speaker 2: camp was Camp Heffernan, but it's a little it's on
Speaker 2: Lake Bloomington, not that far from Bloomington, normal, Illinois. And
Speaker 2: if they're in the middle of this campground, there was
Speaker 2: like a parade deck I guess is what you could
Speaker 2: call it, like a parade field, like it just a
Speaker 2: big open field surrounded by trees, and I remember there
Speaker 2: being like a stump in the very middle of that. Now,
Speaker 2: this is one of those times when you're like, am
Speaker 2: I crazy? Do I really remember it this way, right,
Speaker 2: because I haven't really been able to get a hold
Speaker 2: of anybody else. I know, one of the kids that
Speaker 2: I was with passed away, and then the other one
Speaker 2: I've just lost track of. I don't I don't remember,
Speaker 2: you know, I was eleven. But so there was a
Speaker 2: stump in the middle of this parade deck and it
Speaker 2: had it was cut like a seat, right, and I
Speaker 2: am like ninety percent sure. There was a like a
Speaker 2: plaque on it that said something about it in a
Speaker 2: tale that basically there was a tribe that was there
Speaker 2: that would, like an essence sacrifice people to this big
Speaker 2: hairy man, wild man, sasquatch, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: So that was that's just prefacing this whole thing that there.
Speaker 1: Was like an Indian legend.
Speaker 2: You said, yes, I'm pretty sure, I and I I
Speaker 2: really wish I could track this down or somebody could
Speaker 2: help me, you know what I mean, But nobody has
Speaker 2: so far. I've been telling the story for about a year.
Speaker 2: But what that being said, one of the glories of
Speaker 2: this place was is we got to we had like
Speaker 2: free reign, so as the different squads and the boy
Speaker 2: Scout troupe, we would get to pick where we wanted
Speaker 2: to camp. The leaders and stuff would always stay in
Speaker 2: these cabins that were right off of the central area
Speaker 2: of the camp, but we always might squad. We always
Speaker 2: chose this pine forest just because it was like, you know,
Speaker 2: how it gets with the needles, and it was just awesome.
Speaker 2: Plus for some I love the sound of I guess
Speaker 2: you could call it whispering pines right the wind blown
Speaker 2: through those pines. There's a distinctive sound too, And it
Speaker 2: was just calming and I could sleep really well there
Speaker 2: and it was awesome, well one evening. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: been there so so many times over you know, about
Speaker 2: a two or three year period. We were really comfortable
Speaker 2: with it. But there's this area in between the pine forest.
Speaker 2: There's like a like a road that goes down to
Speaker 2: the lake and there's these hedgerows on either side of it, right,
Speaker 2: or at least there was then. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it looks like now because it's not even called the
Speaker 2: same thing anymore. Somebody else owns it. But there was
Speaker 2: these hedgerows that were about ten feet tall. You know,
Speaker 2: like think like World War two movies with the French
Speaker 2: in France, with the giant hedgerows that like tanks would
Speaker 2: bust through and you'd see soldiers crawling underneath them. Well,
Speaker 2: there was this on either side of this road that
Speaker 2: went down to the lake, and there's a little like
Speaker 2: a drainage ditch before you hit that was about ten
Speaker 2: feet off of the first hedgerow. And we being boys
Speaker 2: full of energy, but still you know, somehow, we're still lazy, right.
Speaker 2: We didn't want to walk or run all the way
Speaker 2: around the hedgerow, so we would climb under them, crawl
Speaker 2: under them to then run across that field and get
Speaker 2: to where they always cooked. Because and we were late
Speaker 2: for dinner. Sun was going down and we're heading west
Speaker 2: right into the sun, and we hit that drainage ditch
Speaker 2: and at that point it had rained the day prior,
Speaker 2: so there was still a little runoff and we had
Speaker 2: to jump across it. And as soon as I was
Speaker 2: in the lead, and as soon as I did that,
Speaker 2: the first thing I remember is the smell hitting me.
Speaker 2: And it was like a wet dog. You've heard this
Speaker 2: a million times, like literally like a wet dog and
Speaker 2: like d coomp. It was just awful smell. And I
Speaker 2: say dcomp but it's more like a like a swamp
Speaker 2: right with that that bacterial sludge. If you were to
Speaker 2: walk around in a sp swamp, you get that. It's
Speaker 2: just nasty mixed with like wet dog, right, And I
Speaker 2: was like whoa. And then the right as that happened,
Speaker 2: the hedero in front of us like exploded. It's it's
Speaker 2: the best way that I can describe it. It exploded
Speaker 2: and I and there was this just roar slash scream slash. Uh.
Speaker 2: Even you could even feel it. It was that much.
Speaker 2: It was just that powerful. And I remember looking up
Speaker 2: at what it was just like, oh my God, like
Speaker 2: scared out of my mind. And I remember seeing the
Speaker 2: hedgerow like come apart, right, and it came apart from
Speaker 2: the top, So this thing had to be about eight
Speaker 2: feet tall, I mean, just monstrous, and bent that hedgerow
Speaker 2: back and I could distinctly see shoulders and the head.
Speaker 2: It was like one thing that wasn't like a head
Speaker 2: with a neck, it was just one, you know, and
Speaker 2: it was yeah, and it was just that that yell,
Speaker 2: that scream. Then the two kids that were with me
Speaker 2: let out a scream, obviously, and I look over at
Speaker 2: them and they're running down the hedgerow and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to followed them, and I can't think. I
Speaker 2: can't remember of anything beyond that of that, like, it
Speaker 2: didn't chase us, it didn't follow us. I don't remember
Speaker 2: footfalls or anything like that. And us running to the
Speaker 2: to the cabin where they where the rest of the
Speaker 2: troop was at, just freaking out, and the one kid
Speaker 2: ended up going home. They ended up calling his parents
Speaker 2: because he's like, Nope, not doing this.
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Speaker 2: And he was visibly and I remember he actually quit
Speaker 2: boy scouts like he was done, which I don't know why,
Speaker 2: Like it did scare me, but it wasn't. It was
Speaker 2: almost like this surreal like dream state. Is how I
Speaker 2: feel about it now. That's why I say I remember
Speaker 2: it very clearly. But it's one of those things. It's
Speaker 2: got to be like the trauma response or something where
Speaker 2: you're just like, is that even real? You know? And
Speaker 2: this is something that happens with bigfoot encounters. People don't
Speaker 2: even talk about them for years and years and years
Speaker 2: and years. Right. I remember talking to the other kid
Speaker 2: about it. He acknowledged that it happened, but he wouldn't
Speaker 2: talk about it. He's like, I don't know what that was, man,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know what happened that day, you know.
Speaker 1: And because I got the internal dialogue too, you know,
Speaker 1: did I really see that? Am I crazy? Or If
Speaker 1: I really did see it and I tell people, then
Speaker 1: I'm really gonna be looked at like I'm crazy. And
Speaker 1: it reminds me of the La Marzouli's first encounter with
Speaker 1: the UFO. You ever heard that story?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. Yes, he was at a.
Speaker 1: Camp and him and a couple of his buddies are
Speaker 1: out in the woods and they seen a UFO, all
Speaker 1: three of them seen and acknowledged it, freaked out and
Speaker 1: run away. And they had supper that night and they
Speaker 1: were sitting at the table and LA was like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: tell them about what we see in the woods, you know,
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. He said, there, like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? He said, they acted like they didn't
Speaker 1: remember it, he said, So, I don't know if they
Speaker 1: just were denying it and didn't want to admit it,
Speaker 1: or if they had like UFO brain fog and it
Speaker 1: was kind of like wiped from their memory. So but
Speaker 1: either way, he said, I look like a fool at
Speaker 1: the table.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do you remember? So the way I know
Speaker 2: it happened for sure is that the other kid acknowledged
Speaker 2: that it happened for sure, but wouldn't talk about it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: he died a year a couple of years later in
Speaker 2: a car accident, you know, like teenage high school kid,
Speaker 2: you know, ran off the road, acrossed his car into
Speaker 2: a creek, you know. Tragic, right, So that story kind
Speaker 2: of dies with him, you know, other than me, and
Speaker 2: other than the other kid, which I've who I've never
Speaker 2: seen since. So the one thing that I tried to
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how they couldn't have heard it either,
Speaker 2: as there was other boys that were behind us but
Speaker 2: farther back, and none of them acknowledged hearing anything like
Speaker 2: that that roar, And I don't know how they couldn't,
Speaker 2: but they didn't allegedly. So yeah, so that's that's my
Speaker 2: first run in with with Bigfoot. And again that right
Speaker 2: was eleven, yeah, yeah, and that kind of you know,
Speaker 2: but it never it never scared me out of the woods,
Speaker 2: which I always wonder about that, like, because I went
Speaker 2: back and slept in my tent. Like we walked past
Speaker 2: that spot kind of and there wasn't really any signs
Speaker 2: of crazy there there. You could see where the hedgerows
Speaker 2: had been, uh damaged, but it wasn't anything like insane
Speaker 2: that there was leaves all over the ground and stuff,
Speaker 2: but there was no footprints. There was no other sign
Speaker 2: right then, leaves and stuff on the ground and probably
Speaker 2: our poop because I'll tell you, man, it was yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I had another similar episode in the Marines.
Speaker 2: It was almost identical in Alaska, oh wow, and me
Speaker 2: and another guy saw that too. But again, this is
Speaker 2: one of those crazy things him and I acknowledged that
Speaker 2: that had happened at one point, but then UH never
Speaker 2: talked about it again, and he passed away in UH
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, So I don't know this. This one died
Speaker 2: with me too, that one. You know. It's just me
Speaker 2: very similar story patrolling doing UH. We were really training
Speaker 2: to do. UH. I had told you about our my
Speaker 2: background in the military before, and we were training in
Speaker 2: Alaska to do like a drug interdiction mission. And we
Speaker 2: had had an altercation with a moose earlier in the
Speaker 2: day that was so scary. It was a female moose
Speaker 2: with a calf who was trumping through high grass and
Speaker 2: we didn't see her, well, we didn't know there was
Speaker 2: a calf initially, and assumes she would she start bluff
Speaker 2: charging us, and man, I'll tell you what, they're big
Speaker 2: freaking moose are gigantic. So we were already kind of
Speaker 2: like spent already in the day dealing with that. We
Speaker 2: had also seen a bear through a spotting scope. Really
Speaker 2: wasn't a threat to us at that point because it
Speaker 2: was across a valley, but you know, you're out there bears, mooses,
Speaker 2: oh my, you know is for sure, And we were
Speaker 2: in a national forest outside Anchorage doing this stuff, and
Speaker 2: it's one of those times. It was during the summer,
Speaker 2: so it was light twenty I mean, the night before
Speaker 2: we were out there, we were playing volleyball, like eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock at night. It was pretty cool. So we were
Speaker 2: just walking along after the incident with the moose, and
Speaker 2: this is a few hours later, but we were getting
Speaker 2: ready to try and find a spot to just like
Speaker 2: bed down for the night, and we were walking and
Speaker 2: him and I stopped and smell. He actually smelled. At first.
Speaker 2: He was like, oh my god, what does that smell?
Speaker 2: And I thought, because it did smell, this one smelled
Speaker 2: more like decomp than the other one. So we thought
Speaker 2: it was something dead in front of us. But then
Speaker 2: we took another three two or three steps and it
Speaker 2: literally rose out of like this clump of like it
Speaker 2: wasn't alders, but it was something like that. It was
Speaker 2: like a it was it was a bush, a bush.
Speaker 2: It rose up right behind it. And again we were
Speaker 2: walking into the sun, still wetted. But this you could
Speaker 2: see from like here up so you could kind of
Speaker 2: see it put its uh, it was like one arm
Speaker 2: went up, so you could see daylight under here too,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of like, see, I really thought
Speaker 2: about this, and I remember distinctly seeing like the shadow
Speaker 2: of like like you would like an orangutan had the
Speaker 2: long hair in the under the arms, right, not not
Speaker 2: in the armpit, but under the under the arms. And
Speaker 2: again just that just neck like this big around and
Speaker 2: then the head and it wasn't necessarily a conical head,
Speaker 2: but it was just a just a giant head. And
Speaker 2: the roar. It let out the same roar. And this
Speaker 2: one might have been even a little bigger than the
Speaker 2: other one that I had encountered, because I think we
Speaker 2: estimated it to be eight and half nine foot and
Speaker 2: it roared, and we had fully loaded weapons. This is
Speaker 2: the other thing that was so weird. And neither of
Speaker 2: us pulled the trigger. I didn't feel compelled to pull it.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. Petrified, probably, I mean I was,
Speaker 2: but he didn't pull the trigger either. And then actually
Speaker 2: another guy behind us, because we were staggered pretty decent
Speaker 2: and we were coming the rest of the team was
Speaker 2: kind of down like off of a ridge a little bit.
Speaker 2: We were coming up in flat spot. So one other
Speaker 2: guy had just crested the ridge and he could hear
Speaker 2: it as well, and he came running. And when he
Speaker 2: came running, that's when it took off. And it sounded
Speaker 2: like a freight train going through the I mean it,
Speaker 2: I say. You know, people are like, oh, it could
Speaker 2: have been a bear, I guess, but I don't think so. Man. No,
Speaker 2: the thing had arm. No, No, it was not.
Speaker 1: What kind of distance are we talking about? How far away?
Speaker 2: Within twenty feet? Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you the first one, the
Speaker 2: first incident was within like twelve ten twelve. I think back,
Speaker 2: and I can literally feel It's almost like I can
Speaker 2: feel the breath coming off. I don't distinct they remember
Speaker 2: smell or anything, because it was already pungent. But the
Speaker 2: same thing with this. This one's probably about twenty feet
Speaker 2: and it was just it. It was just that sheer
Speaker 2: feeling of it could reach right out and just snap
Speaker 2: us like twigs. Like there was nothing you could do.
Speaker 2: And I had a you know, an M sixteen and
Speaker 2: a M two, a four grenade launcher, M two A
Speaker 2: three sorry, M two a three grenade launcher under there,
Speaker 2: and I didn't even have the inklaning to pull the trigger.
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't have done much. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like al and it just stasty.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Kind of like one of this. Yeah, it was fight
Speaker 2: flight or freeze. Then we definitely froze. It was just
Speaker 2: what the hell? And then that third guy came running
Speaker 2: up and that's what set it off and it ran. Yeah, man, and.
Speaker 1: It's scary wild too. How you described that the sound
Speaker 1: of it running away, It was like a freight train
Speaker 1: just so it.
Speaker 2: Was just I mean literally just crashing, snapping trees. I
Speaker 2: actually have I wish I had the pictures. We took
Speaker 2: pictures of the trees broken and some of these trees
Speaker 2: were probably ten inches around right, just just pushed over.
Speaker 2: And of course that happens in other sightings as well,
Speaker 2: like they can just snap these trees and that's just
Speaker 2: unfreaking believable. But of course those pictures were lost. Uh
Speaker 2: that's a whole nother story. A storage storage area that
Speaker 2: that had failed to pay rent on and they got
Speaker 2: somebody's got them. Somebody's got those pictures, but it's not me.
Speaker 1: Because I interviewed a guy that was a local guy
Speaker 1: from down here in Dandridge and his name was red,
Speaker 1: but he gave us a story accident interview show with him.
Speaker 1: We called it Bigfoot Stole My fishing hole. And his
Speaker 1: story was is that he was out fishing and he
Speaker 1: liked the night fish, and there was this little cove.
Speaker 1: It was his secret, you know, fishing hole. He said,
Speaker 1: I like to fish at night. He said, it's not
Speaker 1: as hot. You don't have as many boats and people out.
Speaker 1: He said, So I was out there, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: like two o'clock in the morning. And he said that
Speaker 1: he kept hearing like rocks being thrown his boat.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: It started off just like small ones, he said, but
Speaker 1: they started getting bigger. He said, they got really close
Speaker 1: to my boat. He said, I thought it was kids
Speaker 1: up on the ridge in that cove throwing rocks down
Speaker 1: at my boat. He said, So I just started yelling
Speaker 1: up at the ridge, you know, you little bastards, beer
Speaker 1: quit throwing crap at my boat. And he said, uh,
Speaker 1: And then he said it stopped for a little bit.
Speaker 1: He said, then all of a sudden, he said, I
Speaker 1: just heard but douche, he said, And he said, I
Speaker 1: mean this sounded like a bowlder as big as a car.
Speaker 1: And he said, and I turned and looked. He said,
Speaker 1: shine my floodlight over to where I heard it. He said,
Speaker 1: they're wanting to rip a one in the water. And
Speaker 1: he said, and about that time, he said, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm getting the hell out of here. He said. I
Speaker 1: started my boat, he said, I started to go. He said.
Speaker 1: So I'm on the water, this motor roaring right by
Speaker 1: my head.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: Then I hear something running around the ridge line toward
Speaker 1: me and following the boat. He said. It sounded like
Speaker 1: a mac truck. He said it took maybe eight to
Speaker 1: ten steps. He said, I heard it boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1: He said, it didn't cover the whole length of the cove.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he said. I never seen it. He said,
Speaker 1: but I heard it, but you heard it.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I just it's one of those things. Man,
Speaker 2: I look now and watch. You know, Eastern Tennessee is
Speaker 2: pretty uh active. And our buddy Harley Well can attest
Speaker 2: and you guys all can from Operation Smoke. There's some stuff,
Speaker 2: some stuff going on in East Tennessee, right But if
Speaker 2: you look, and I love to give this guy props
Speaker 2: because he's got one of the best websites I've ever
Speaker 2: seen when it comes to cryptid research is the Bigfoot
Speaker 2: mapping project. And if you look at the Bigfoot mapping
Speaker 2: projects and like right now it's the number one areas
Speaker 2: actually where you're getting the most reports is western Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. And and you didn't
Speaker 2: you talk to Tim about some of that stuff, Tim
Speaker 2: Constantine about the Alleghany, the Allegheny's and giants and or
Speaker 2: things like that around Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: So right, yeah, the allegai or Algeewe you you announce it,
Speaker 1: it means giants. Yes, you got the Allegaiy river that
Speaker 1: was the Aligueney. It was the river of the giants.
Speaker 2: So in so right outside pent Pittsburgh of all places,
Speaker 2: right there's just a hotbed of activity for bigfoot and
Speaker 2: also eastern Ohio. Well, I do a lot of bigfoot research.
Speaker 2: One of our research areas is the Allegheny National Forest
Speaker 2: in in Pennsylvania, and so we've had multiple uh and
Speaker 2: that that includes gwyn the Strange Knox. We've had multiple
Speaker 2: incidents there where never I haven't had a Class A
Speaker 2: siding there, but I've definitely had Class B on two
Speaker 2: separate occasions. We had a scream slash roar from a
Speaker 2: from a ridge where right off our campsite one, and
Speaker 2: it was just unbelievable. There's no way of you know,
Speaker 2: I've heard mountain lion scream and you you know, there's
Speaker 2: so so often you try to debunk this stuff, right,
Speaker 2: and it could have been an owl, yeah maybe, But
Speaker 2: the thing is it's I've never heard an owl that loud, right,
Speaker 2: I mean just insane, And it was so loud that
Speaker 2: we could feel it right, And then it was almost
Speaker 2: like it tried to it tried to mimic an owl
Speaker 2: at the end to like throw us on or something.
Speaker 2: So that was a pretty intense thing. But there's a
Speaker 2: there's an other thing there that people call Pennsylvania's little Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: and it's actually called an ol albat witch albat witch,
Speaker 2: I think it's how you pronounce it. Or they call
Speaker 2: him like an apple snatcher, right, but it's like a
Speaker 2: little Bigfoot. And there's a there is a picture that
Speaker 2: it's very contested and whatnot, but it's the oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: why did it just flee from my brain? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I gotta look it up. The it was a famous
Speaker 2: uh trailcam picture.
Speaker 1: Because it makes you wonder if it was a just
Speaker 1: like a juvenile ye.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, but this is one of those things like
Speaker 2: they're they're described apple snitches, about four feet tall, hairy,
Speaker 2: but they're slender and they'll climb trees, which a lot
Speaker 2: of people say juvenile sasquatches do as well, right, stealing apples,
Speaker 2: but they've had notable encounters for years. What is the
Speaker 2: name of that? People that know are yelling.
Speaker 1: Goodness, sorry, no, you're good And one of the things
Speaker 1: that you had mentioned earlier, it brought up some stuff
Speaker 1: in my mind. How that camp that you was at,
Speaker 1: eleven year old boy, how you said there was that
Speaker 1: plate with the Indian legend about how they would sacrifice
Speaker 1: to this thing. Will you have that similar story in Afghanistan?
Speaker 1: Because there was a guy that came forward and said
Speaker 1: that that's what his people and tribe did, that he
Speaker 1: remembers his grandma and stuff painting these goats and stuff
Speaker 1: red and then taking them out and tying them up
Speaker 1: and leaving them.
Speaker 2: No, I hadn't, but he told the story about his grandmother, right,
Speaker 2: And yeah, has that I heard that.
Speaker 1: He's been on a few show. I can't remember all
Speaker 1: of them. He's been on because it's been a while,
Speaker 1: but I think he went on La Marzouli's once maybe,
Speaker 1: But it was like, basically they were sacrificing to this sasquatch,
Speaker 1: this Harry giant, and he said that it was something
Speaker 1: that the people did as far back as they could remember,
Speaker 1: and they said that this thing used to raid their
Speaker 1: village and steal their animals and cause a bunch of havocs.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think I think too many connections.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we have many of stories here of
Speaker 2: even Indians in the United States of red haired giants
Speaker 2: that we're fighting full blown wars with tribes. You know,
Speaker 2: I've done an episode on a couple. So this what
Speaker 2: I was talking about is called the Jacob's Creature. And
Speaker 2: you know, some people will say that it's like a
Speaker 2: bear with mange and there's all kinds of different things.
Speaker 2: But it's definitely weird. I'm not saying it's not. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that it is one of these apple snatchers
Speaker 2: or whatever you call them. But yeah, it's a pretty
Speaker 2: good it's a pretty good picture of something right that's
Speaker 2: sort of ape like. And with that being said, I
Speaker 2: took my buddy we went out on it one night
Speaker 2: and did a bunch of different you know, we'd we're
Speaker 2: those idiots howling and knocking in the woods, which I
Speaker 2: don't like doing anymore. I don't really like doing it
Speaker 2: at all. I kind of look at it as I
Speaker 2: like to camp. Like I'll go out during the day
Speaker 2: and like look at stuff, but then at night I
Speaker 2: like to stay back at the camp. And you know,
Speaker 2: I find that if I do that, usually the third
Speaker 2: night will start getting activity. I don't know why that is.
Speaker 2: But we had done something different this time and went
Speaker 2: to a different site and you know, walked around a
Speaker 2: little bit and then sat still and really we're watching
Speaker 2: and listening, and some more than one thing came. I
Speaker 2: wasn't too close, but I'd say it was within a
Speaker 2: hundred feet or so, like on the edge of the woodline.
Speaker 2: And the next thing we know, we're listening and we
Speaker 2: had done a little whoop and one of my buddies
Speaker 2: does a really good sasquatch call, and he called out,
Speaker 2: and the next thing, you hear is literally it sounded
Speaker 2: like chimpanzees fighting in the woods in eastern Pencil or
Speaker 2: western Pennsylvania, you know. And we were trying to think
Speaker 2: was it owls or was it whatever? But it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It just didn't sound that way. But of course it
Speaker 2: could have been right, you never know. But here's the
Speaker 2: thing we were recording. We have one of the things
Speaker 2: that we have is very good audio equipment, this group
Speaker 2: of us, and we had this audio recorder on the
Speaker 2: top of my vehicle, which was sitting couldn't have been
Speaker 2: more than thirty to forty feet from them that whatever
Speaker 2: we were hearing, because it was about half distance from
Speaker 2: where we were sitting to them, right. And when we
Speaker 2: listened back, because we're like, holy shit, we got this
Speaker 2: on audio. When we listened back, there was about a
Speaker 2: four minute gap of audio that was just blank. And
Speaker 2: it was during that time. And how do you explain that.
Speaker 2: I can't because we have before it and we have
Speaker 2: after it, right, and you can hear us talking, and
Speaker 2: you can you get the overlap of the ambient noise
Speaker 2: of the forest, but all of a sudden, it's blank,
Speaker 2: there's nothing, there's no audio at all for about four minutes.
Speaker 2: So that's the type of stuff that drives me insane
Speaker 2: with with this research on well, it makes me go
Speaker 2: to the supernatural side of things, right.
Speaker 1: It makes me Rachel.
Speaker 2: Makes me go more to the wu is like I
Speaker 2: and I've also had another incident where where I was
Speaker 2: at what's called we call Broken Bridge Research Area, which
Speaker 2: is my buddy, my buddy's land. He has about ninety
Speaker 2: five acres in upstate New York in what's called the
Speaker 2: tug Hill Plateau, which is a very wild area of
Speaker 2: New York State. It's in what you would call the
Speaker 2: Adirondack Foothills. Right, so you've got it's perfect sasquatch habitat
Speaker 2: we have. He's got a trout stream that runs through
Speaker 2: his property. He's got deer all over his property. There
Speaker 2: there is about so he's got ninety five acres. There's
Speaker 2: fifty plus acres on one side of his property that
Speaker 2: is farm. There is about one hundred acres on the
Speaker 2: other side. Then there's a road or it's about forty acres.
Speaker 2: Then there's a road that's got you know, just he's
Speaker 2: got acres hundreds of acres around him. That that's it.
Speaker 2: It's just woods so two separate things that that well,
Speaker 2: we've had three separate things happen there that are very telling,
Speaker 2: one of us, which is I went out and stayed.
Speaker 2: We have a campsite that we built out there where
Speaker 2: there's been incidents where things have messed with our tents
Speaker 2: at night. So we decided to put up this fence
Speaker 2: around our campsite to just keep whatever it is at
Speaker 2: bay enough, right maybe or at least we can hear
Speaker 2: it if it decides to come through the fence or
Speaker 2: over it or whatever, just to keep because you know,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to lose sleep at night. I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: we're doing this right, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it freaks It's freaks you out. Yeah. Period. So one
Speaker 2: night I decided I was going to campalone out there,
Speaker 2: which I don't recommend in areas where you know that
Speaker 2: their sasquatch activity, for just for me. I got the
Speaker 2: willies really bad, and I'm a you know, I'm that
Speaker 2: guy that're walking around the woods all night. I'm not
Speaker 2: afraid of a lot, but but damn, that night, I
Speaker 2: was going to set up a camera trap because I
Speaker 2: had this brand new awesome which I had used it before,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I have a thermal camera and I'm
Speaker 2: going to catch this thing on thermal because I'm gonna
Speaker 2: not bait it in but kind of like bait it
Speaker 2: in that what we did. But what I do is
Speaker 2: I use cameras to funnel it to where I want.
Speaker 2: I have trail cams and I have other static cameras
Speaker 2: all infra red, and I have them covering all of
Speaker 2: that campsite except for one way up from the creek,
Speaker 2: up from the stream that comes to a spot that's
Speaker 2: closest to our tent, like the tent that I've got
Speaker 2: set up there, right, and it leaves about an eight
Speaker 2: foot gap that it could come right up to the
Speaker 2: fence right and not be on camera, because I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: I use cameras to deter them from messing with my tent,
Speaker 2: and now I have a rooftop tent. But still I've
Speaker 2: never had issues since I started using trail cams to
Speaker 2: as a deterrent at night. Right. But anyway, so I
Speaker 2: had this spot about eight feet uncovered by camera. I
Speaker 2: stayed up. It was about two So I have two
Speaker 2: cell phones, two different iPhones that I had fully charged
Speaker 2: because I had the power bank that you saw which
Speaker 2: I have right, I had both these phones charged and
Speaker 2: the camp. The thermal clicks right into the to the
Speaker 2: power poart and you just view and once you turn
Speaker 2: it on, it pops right on right. So I was waiting.
Speaker 2: I had my tent. What I have is a blacked
Speaker 2: out tent, and I bought this tent just for this reason.
Speaker 2: You if you're outside the tent with your naked eye,
Speaker 2: you cannot see any light. Yeah. I could have a
Speaker 2: light on inside and you can't see in there because
Speaker 2: it's a blackout tent. So I had this one little
Speaker 2: part of the which I didn't have any lights on
Speaker 2: or anything. But I'm just saying there's no way either way.
Speaker 2: I had the the screens zipped down just enough so
Speaker 2: I could put this, I could see this, and I
Speaker 2: could just pop this up when I wanted to video
Speaker 2: and thermal. I heard something walking up bipedal. Not a coyote,
Speaker 2: because we have plenty of those. There are the occasional
Speaker 2: bear in that area here and there, but it was not.
Speaker 2: It was definitely bipedal, and it came right up to
Speaker 2: the fence right where I wanted it to. I heard
Speaker 2: it stop, and I heard it put its hands on
Speaker 2: the fence. I pulled up the and my heart was
Speaker 2: just it could probably hear my heart at that time,
Speaker 2: just pounded out of my chest. And I held up
Speaker 2: the camera with the thermal. I lit it up. As
Speaker 2: soon as I held it up, the thing went dead,
Speaker 2: completely dead. Not oh, it just stopped working. No, it
Speaker 2: sucked the battery dry, then did like a a magazine reload,
Speaker 2: grabbed the other one, put the thermal in. It powered up,
Speaker 2: It powered up. I brought it up, sucked it dry.
Speaker 1: What man, did you see it though with your naked eye?
Speaker 2: No, I couldn't. It was so dark that night I
Speaker 2: could not, And usually we'll have some sort of illumination,
Speaker 2: but there was zero. It was I think the illumination
Speaker 2: was at like three percent that night. And it's one
Speaker 2: of those nights I wish I had my night vision,
Speaker 2: and of course it didn't have the night vision with me.
Speaker 2: I had the thermal. But it's one of the things
Speaker 2: that it's This is why we don't have pictures of
Speaker 2: this creature right because.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Tasut. On our trip. I had my sony
Speaker 1: and I have three batteries and I had them all
Speaker 1: fully charge. When I went and we went out in
Speaker 1: the woods and I maybe had maybe an hour of
Speaker 1: record time on it, and that battery can go, oh
Speaker 1: you know, six eight hours or more. And about an
Speaker 1: hour into it, man, while we were setting up that
Speaker 1: bait trap, my battery went dead and I was like,
Speaker 1: damn it. So I had my other batteries in my pocket,
Speaker 1: so I was like, let me change batteries. And I
Speaker 1: changed batteries, pulled out the other one. It came on
Speaker 1: and then boom died.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know all three of these was fully charged.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I pulled out the other one and I had
Speaker 1: like seventy percent on it and that got us through
Speaker 1: the rest of the night. But it did. It killed
Speaker 1: two batteries in just an hour.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, I don't know what that is,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I've had go pro batteries die. I mean,
Speaker 2: Scott Carpenter used to talk about this all the time,
Speaker 2: and that's one of that to me, one of the
Speaker 2: most respected you know, I look at him as in
Speaker 2: his work as a mentor to me because I do
Speaker 2: the backward camera stuff and I've had my I have
Speaker 2: a different backward camera. I don't use a pro and
Speaker 2: I don't use it, but I have a these awesome
Speaker 2: little uh they're like a ten eighty p thirty frame
Speaker 2: per second clip on camera that do a mate, but
Speaker 2: it's and I used to use them one of the
Speaker 2: one of the companies I had for a while I
Speaker 2: was a i AM. It was a process server, so
Speaker 2: I always had one of these cameras recording stuff. And
Speaker 2: it's clear as day. Man. They're fantastic camera to do
Speaker 2: what I was trying to do with and you know,
Speaker 2: saved me in court a couple times. You know, like, yes,
Speaker 2: this is here, here, it is all on film, right,
Speaker 2: clear's day makes the I don't understand why the cops
Speaker 2: don't have these things because they're chess cams or whatever.
Speaker 2: They suck. I don't understand how they have they don't
Speaker 2: have the And I bought this camera. I have three
Speaker 2: of them and my buddy has them too now because
Speaker 2: they're so good you just clip them on. They cost
Speaker 2: like twenty bucks on Amazon. But anyway, Uh, that's what
Speaker 2: I have on my back, like when I'm walking through
Speaker 2: the woods and I've had those batteries go dead too,
Speaker 2: and they'll record for hours, hours and hours, same thing,
Speaker 2: just dead and go pro batteries go dead as well,
Speaker 2: that are brand new, brand new batteries.
Speaker 1: So and I can't help but think of all the
Speaker 1: you know, the supernatural, the ghost stuff you hear about,
Speaker 1: because how many times do you hear stories about the
Speaker 1: ghosts and stuff draining batteries and blowing light bulbs. And
Speaker 1: it's basically like they're like energy leeches. When they try
Speaker 1: to manifest or they manifest, they have to pull all
Speaker 1: this energy from wherever they can get it to manifest.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't know what that is and how
Speaker 2: it intertwines, but this is I mean, this is not
Speaker 2: a phenomenon that is just happening to me or to you.
Speaker 2: And I'm not positive what the heck that is, but
Speaker 2: it gives credence to a lot of this stuff that
Speaker 2: the supernatural side of this paranormal side of this whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, was sasquatch and Bigfoot. It
Speaker 2: blows my mind that people get I mean, I know
Speaker 2: we've talked about this in the past. I know how
Speaker 2: people get, you know, the flesh and blood and or
Speaker 2: the woo woo, you know stuff. And I don't want
Speaker 2: to get political about it. I want to be friends
Speaker 2: with everybody because everybody does great research. I mean, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But people do great, good research,
Speaker 2: and I look at it as we all have our partner.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at people that don't believe what I believe,
Speaker 2: and I'm not you know, I would hope that they're
Speaker 2: not mad at what I believe, because I think we
Speaker 2: need to be. I mean, we're talking about regardless, talking
Speaker 2: about a bipedal, hairy ape. Whether it's supernatural, whether it's nephelim,
Speaker 2: whether it's eliud or you pick a word to call it,
Speaker 2: right or or it's just a gigantopithecus right regardless or
Speaker 2: relic commented, who knows, But whatever it is, we're gonna
Speaker 2: we're getting to a point where we're actually going to
Speaker 2: fight over this crazy being and what you know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't come on. It's a very bipedal ape walking through
Speaker 2: the woods in North America and across the world, and
Speaker 2: we're worried about we're going to argue about what it is.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: So it is, But I also know there's financial incentive
Speaker 2: for a lot of these folks to maintain their their paradigm, right,
Speaker 2: and I get it. I understand, but let's have a
Speaker 2: side conversation. I won't even talk to you, know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I won't tell anybody seriously, what do you
Speaker 2: really think? Yeah, at this point, man, I don't see
Speaker 2: personally how I can think it's just a bipedal eight.
Speaker 2: I've had too many instances where it was not just that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thet they got intelligence, man, obviously, And like
Speaker 1: I've said before, I mean, I'm not a this or
Speaker 1: that guy. I'm a this and that guy. Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean I think, you know, potentially this is what the
Speaker 1: ancients would have just called a faral giant. And so
Speaker 1: is there some flesh and blood remnants still left? I
Speaker 1: think it's a high possibility. You know, you have the panda.
Speaker 1: I use that example all the time. The panda was
Speaker 1: only discovered in the last hundred years, but there's legends
Speaker 1: and lore about these things going by thousands of years.
Speaker 1: But everybody said the same thing about it like they
Speaker 1: do about Bigfoot. Oh that's not that's a legend. So
Speaker 1: I mean, if a pandic can avoid being seen and
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Speaker 2: No, I mean, in technicality, I think too. The Highland
Speaker 2: mountain gorilla in Africa wasn't technically seen by western eyes
Speaker 2: until the nineteen thirties. If I'm not mistaken, maybe it was.
Speaker 2: It hasn't been that long. It's like the panda, and yeah,
Speaker 2: they might have known about lowland gorillas, but the Highland girl,
Speaker 2: you know, that was always a legend. Right. Oh, there's
Speaker 2: no giant apes living in this jungle up here in
Speaker 2: the mountains, right. Sounds kind of familiar to an extent, right, But.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, then, the whole wu side, the
Speaker 1: spiritual side. I mean, I think that if my first
Speaker 1: paradigm was correct, and it just flows right into the
Speaker 1: spiritual side too, if you have the Christian paradigm, because
Speaker 1: if these are nephilemic in nature, they're a hybrid being.
Speaker 1: And it says in the Book of Enoch that these Aleu,
Speaker 1: these sons of the Watchers or whatever, that when they die,
Speaker 1: their spirits are not normal. So therefore they have nowhere
Speaker 1: to go. So they just roam earth to tore me
Speaker 1: at mankind. So I mean, why would they not want
Speaker 1: to choose a familiar form?
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know the fact that they might just
Speaker 2: be l eud, which are the offspring of the nephelin. Right,
Speaker 2: so we're even going farther down the bloodline. And I
Speaker 2: mean we have it. We do have genetic genetic study
Speaker 2: that is pretty compelling, even though mainstream science will bash
Speaker 2: it and smash it and pooh poo all over it.
Speaker 2: That Sasquatch genome project. I'll tell you what, I've gone
Speaker 2: through all of it, and you can find it online.
Speaker 2: Go through yourself and look at I mean, find somebody
Speaker 2: that's way smart in you that's got something to do
Speaker 2: with DNA and they're gonna look at it and go,
Speaker 2: oh man, there might be some legs here, right, because
Speaker 2: a lot of the technicalities that they're talking about, there
Speaker 2: was a concerted effort to totally uh you know, discredited,
Speaker 2: discredit that whole study, and that right there, to me,
Speaker 2: that's a red flag.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you get a whole group of people
Speaker 1: that are all saying the same thing and attacking the
Speaker 1: same thing, yeah, you know, there's there's a controlled opposition there.
Speaker 2: One of the things I love about that is that
Speaker 2: a lot of those a bunch of the samples were
Speaker 2: completely sampled, not sampled, completely tested blind. They had no
Speaker 2: idea what they were testing mm hmm. And legitimate, legitimate labs,
Speaker 2: not just like some lab that melbour ketchum ran Now,
Speaker 2: they were legitimate labs like crime labs Louisiana and stuff.
Speaker 2: So they had no idea what they were testing. And
Speaker 2: it came back, you know, if.
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, they were blown away because they were like,
Speaker 1: where did you get this? Because it's it's a hybrid.
Speaker 1: It's weird like something. It's got the DNA, the mid
Speaker 1: okondord DNA of of the mother from the female. But
Speaker 1: this this other chromosome is totally foreign to us. Is
Speaker 1: a humanoid creature, but it's not human.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love the fact that the that the hair,
Speaker 2: it's totally different than anything else. And they can't pull
Speaker 2: mitochondrial DNA from the hair. You can pull that from
Speaker 2: human hair, but you can't pull it from the sasquat
Speaker 2: chair or what's allegedly a sasquat chair, right, and they
Speaker 2: had Yeah, it's amazing. I can't wait to talk to
Speaker 2: what you he carved from Medham. You have had Tea
Speaker 2: carp on your show, right or.
Speaker 1: You've not yet. I've spoke with him, but I haven't
Speaker 1: had him on the show yet.
Speaker 2: He's coming on my show soon and I just can't wait.
Speaker 2: But you know, I talked to Harvey Harvey Harley, and
Speaker 2: he you know, he's talked to Tea carp a bunch.
Speaker 2: Plus he was on Biblical Hitman the other the other day,
Speaker 2: like a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be at Spiracy Con. So I just want
Speaker 1: to talk to him and interview him in person if
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, so and his father, man, he was part
Speaker 2: of that whole thing, and David Plady. So I just
Speaker 2: interviewed Mondo Gonzalez, who's a pretty reputable guy in the
Speaker 2: in the high strange iness space, right. He's one of
Speaker 2: the people at Prophecy Watchers, and he's a you know,
Speaker 2: a former pastor, and I guess are you ever a
Speaker 2: former pastor? Yeah, I guess you could be. But he's
Speaker 2: also an archaeologist and you know, he goes at it
Speaker 2: from this angle. And he was at Timothy Alberino's UH
Speaker 2: event in Bozeman, Montana, nepholon con is that was called
Speaker 2: nef Con, That's what it was. And he which I
Speaker 2: almost went to but I didn't quite didn't work out.
Speaker 2: And David Plaidis got up and gave a presentation on
Speaker 2: this DNA and he talked about it on my show
Speaker 2: on the show, and he's just like he told He
Speaker 2: tells the story just how I just told it. And
Speaker 2: come on, you know, I I I get it. We
Speaker 2: can be skeptical. We need to be skeptical about everything.
Speaker 2: But there's just mounting evidence of this UH and it's phenomenal.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating to me. And then you you've been all
Speaker 2: over Esau and the Amalekites, and I mean, I love
Speaker 2: that you use the term feral giant because it makes
Speaker 2: me understand, like, so I know one of the things
Speaker 2: I know, here in upstate New York, we have a
Speaker 2: decent population of We've had two separate populations happen. We've
Speaker 2: had Russian bores right that got out of a uh
Speaker 2: game preserve right, But we also have a population of
Speaker 2: feral hogs that have gotten away and they started interbreeding
Speaker 2: both of them. Well, when a feral, when a hog
Speaker 2: gets out and goes feral, they revert to growing long,
Speaker 2: wiry hair, their tusks and get bigger, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And there's even there's even evidence that humans do the
Speaker 2: same type of thing to an extent, right, So why
Speaker 2: the idea of the feral giant? You know, it's not
Speaker 2: that far fetched to me, no living right mm hm.
Speaker 1: When I found that, that really kind of blew my mind.
Speaker 1: When I found the uh, the hypertrixosis, you know where
Speaker 1: there's so many documented cases of kids being born covered
Speaker 1: in hair from head to toe like esau And you
Speaker 1: got to think ancient times, you know this, they would say, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a demon child, and they'd kill it or
Speaker 1: take it out the woods and abandoning it. And you
Speaker 1: had all these people that were the outcasts of societies,
Speaker 1: the murderers, the thieves, the liars, the whatevers. They were
Speaker 1: outcasts to make to live in the wilderness. You got
Speaker 1: to think of Robinhood and his band of married men.
Speaker 1: And there's so many studies I can't remember what they
Speaker 1: call it now, but there's when your body, uh goes
Speaker 1: through cold weather and you're and you also go into
Speaker 1: anorexia that it triggers this faral gen this hypertrixosis, and
Speaker 1: you grow hair all over your body as a defense
Speaker 1: mechanism when you are battling cold weather and you are
Speaker 1: in starvation mode. So when you go through all the
Speaker 1: old legends about these wild men and feral giants and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, it's it's all the same. They're they're
Speaker 1: raiding towns and they're stealing supplies and women, raping women
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So like to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: like you said, I don't think it's far fits to
Speaker 1: think that some of these were, you know, humans that
Speaker 1: turned feral and they're labeled as wild men bigfoots.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, one of the things that's always got me
Speaker 2: is this the legends of the Native Americans that fought
Speaker 2: Some of them fought sasquatch type creatures, but some of them,
Speaker 2: like the ska Ah right, the tribe of red haired
Speaker 2: cannibals in northern uh In Nevada, Nevada. Yeah, in the
Speaker 2: Piu oral traditions, right. I mean it's a pretty compelling story. Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's it's uh man. I also look at that
Speaker 2: as like their their proximity to like places like the
Speaker 2: Grand Canyon, right, because there's some weird stuff going on
Speaker 2: there too. Oh yeah, but I mean literal cannibal red
Speaker 2: haired giant tribes six fingers, six toes, the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And they're they're clash with this, uh, with the Piu
Speaker 2: tribe and love lock love Lock cave and whatnot. Just
Speaker 2: amazing story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. That's the thing. You know how the
Speaker 1: Bible recorded those those giant clans that Esau married into.
Speaker 1: So Esau was already described as a Sasquatch kind of guy,
Speaker 1: a wild man, and he marries into these giant clans.
Speaker 1: And his father in law was sea Air, which his
Speaker 1: name translates to me and Harry, so that he had
Speaker 1: this giant race defined as Harry. And you get these
Speaker 1: two guys breeding, man, you're gonna throw some strange pups.
Speaker 1: And one of the lineages was the Amalekites, whose name
Speaker 1: means the blood liquors. So you have a race of
Speaker 1: feral cannibal giants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and we hear stories about this
Speaker 2: all over the the Holy Land, right in and around
Speaker 2: Mount Herman, in the all those foothills. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying I ever saw giants, but I know when
Speaker 2: I let so, I was deployed the Egypt for about
Speaker 2: a year right around two thousand and one, two thousand
Speaker 2: and two, and I remember hearing stories from the Bedouins,
Speaker 2: and they would tell stories of there's oral tradition there
Speaker 2: that they would talk about, like giants living in caves
Speaker 2: and stuff down in what they would call waddies, you know,
Speaker 2: in the in these hills just just bear and land man.
Speaker 2: And they would every once in a while they would
Speaker 2: have goats go missing, camels go missing, because that's what
Speaker 2: they do. They roam around the their nomads that roam
Speaker 2: around the desert and the Sinai the Sinai desert, and
Speaker 2: they'll have they have these stories of their they'll miss
Speaker 2: start missing goats and camels and who knows. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it seems as though every culture has this type of
Speaker 2: you know, some sort of story of like Harry, maybe
Speaker 2: not even Harry, just giants, right in general. So many
Speaker 2: tribes in the US, so many tribal type people, and
Speaker 2: you know, there's so many rabbit holes you can get
Speaker 2: to go down with this. This is why I could
Speaker 2: not just stick with Bigfoot, because then you start talking,
Speaker 2: you get into the rh negative rabbit hole, you start
Speaker 2: getting into bloodlines, you start getting into all these things,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, how can I just focus on
Speaker 2: one thing. I can't. I can't do you can't.
Speaker 1: There's there's too many rabbit trails and interconnected waves.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I just give a lot of credence to
Speaker 2: the oral tradition of a lot of these tribes, you know,
Speaker 2: because that's how they They've been telling these stories for centuries, right,
Speaker 2: And it's not like a game of telephone. It's not
Speaker 2: saying when you have people that that's how they actually
Speaker 2: tell their history as oral history. They become very good
Speaker 2: at it. I'm sure, you know, we can we embellish
Speaker 2: and stuff along the way, but.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, a lot of these tribes and people
Speaker 1: they didn't have a written language or they didn't keep
Speaker 1: written records, so then it was very important and you
Speaker 1: get those tribes you have that the Shamans and different
Speaker 1: people with different roles, and you had people that was
Speaker 1: just a sign specifically to remember the legends and the
Speaker 1: lore and the histories and to memorize it word for
Speaker 1: word because it was so important. And when they got
Speaker 1: to a certain age and they thought their life was,
Speaker 1: you know, running dry, they would take a kid or
Speaker 1: whatever unneath their wing and teach them all the stories
Speaker 1: and they just kept passing it on exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean there are pictures too, meaning cave paintings and
Speaker 2: drawings and pictographs and all kinds of stuff of these things.
Speaker 2: So you know, who's to say, I guess it comes
Speaker 2: down to the fact that we don't know anything, right,
Speaker 2: we come full circle back to I don't We don't
Speaker 2: know nothing.
Speaker 1: That's the truth, man, That's the most honest answer you
Speaker 1: can ever give.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And as soon as you start thinking you know better,
Speaker 2: start reading more.
Speaker 1: Books, yep. AM mean yeah. Well, Ben at Man, dude,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your stories
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I'd love to have you back because
Speaker 1: I know you're a deep dive researcher too. You've done
Speaker 1: some stuff on the Red Haifers and some of the things,
Speaker 1: and you actually have a really cool uh near death experience.
Speaker 1: I'd like to dive into with you sometime too, man.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, just for those maybe if they joined late,
Speaker 1: or maybe was doing laundry or something amiss, maybe the
Speaker 1: beginning of the shows, go ahead and let everybody know
Speaker 1: your show. Websites and anything that you'd like to plug.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, we've got broadcasting Seeds podcast, broadcasting seeds dot
Speaker 2: com or wherever you find you know, you're at your leisure,
Speaker 2: you listen to either audio podcasts or video at YouTube.
Speaker 2: I try to post on Rumble too, but it's a lot, man,
Speaker 2: I just you know, just for some reason, it doesn't
Speaker 2: end up there all the time. So I say Facebook ort,
Speaker 2: not Facebook YouTube if you want to see the video
Speaker 2: part of it. But I have a face for radio,
Speaker 2: so maybe you should stay on the audio side. You
Speaker 2: got voice for it too, man, right, So he'd rather
Speaker 2: listen to me than watch me with that too. I
Speaker 2: also have the magazine Strange Knocks, which is just it's
Speaker 2: just a fun project to kind of like help people
Speaker 2: also that want to get more notoriety and more you know,
Speaker 2: authorship or whatever, just to share their stories in print.
Speaker 2: Form remember growing up, and that's was my deal with magazines.
Speaker 2: You know, we had all kinds of magazines and it's
Speaker 2: kind of died lately. But we also have a digital version.
Speaker 2: If you want to get that, you can find that
Speaker 2: at Gotten Knockers dot com and look for Strange Knocks Magazine.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of anything else, but that's it.
Speaker 1: Man, Well man, thank you once again, dude. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And uh, these were actually uh news stories
Speaker 1: for me, guys. I heard one of them about the
Speaker 1: broken bridge and he told me a little bit about
Speaker 1: that at the conference, so I was on the journey
Speaker 1: with you guys too. A lot of these I hadn't
Speaker 1: heard yet.
Speaker 2: Sore from the broken bridge too. I just you know
Speaker 2: that we'll be here all night.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So well, brother, man, I really appreciate it. Man,
Speaker 1: I love what you do. Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And you're a great dude. You're great friend. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad that we've met and got to hang out meet
Speaker 1: in person.
Speaker 2: Man, same to you, Man, I appreciate you and all
Speaker 2: the things that you do.
Speaker 1: Well, guys, be sure to check out Bennett' stuff and
Speaker 1: I'll get with him and get his links and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'll be sure to try to have those down
Speaker 1: in description for you. That way you got an easy
Speaker 1: one click solution. Well, guys, if this conversation didn't show
Speaker 1: you anything at all, I hope it shows you that
Speaker 1: the difference between the known and the unknown is the journey.
Speaker 1: It's a good journey, guys,