Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, It's Friday, January tenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome
to the Giant BombCast Revengeance. I guess we don't really
number these episodes, but welcome. I'm your host, Jan Ochoa,
joining me as always co captain of the ship. Jez,
what do you got there? I'm not going to acknowledge him,
Jeff Grubb.
Speaker 2: Hi, Yeah, I'm happy to be here. I'm back from
Pittsburgh and then Youngstown. I survived Youngstown despite all of
the organized products.
Speaker 1: I'm survised. I'm surprised and glad that you wo yep, yep.
I'm not gonna look at you anymore. Mike Uh survive
the organized crime. Speaking about organized crime, he's the most
organized man on this team, arguably Turbo Shawn Sean mctow.
Speaker 3: We absolutely do number these jan It's always just numbered
the same as the Tuesday show.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. That's why I called.
Speaker 3: You the Vengeance everybody.
Speaker 1: You're the most organized man because you pay attention to details.
Speaking about the details. The devil and the details. He's
in between the lines. He's in between. He is the
notes that aren't played.
Speaker 4: Dan Reikert, I'm the jazz of games. Media is what
many people have been saying.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what we've been saying behind your back this
whole time.
Speaker 4: Please please have Mike's Mike muted until he changes a
stupid display thing to his new Moniker.
Speaker 1: That's right, folks, He's no longer the bad boy of
Games Meet. He's the play of the game, the box clever.
Speaker 4: We're not dealing. Can you guys take this serious? I
think he was screaming about POGs many times. Doesn't like
that it's his nickname.
Speaker 2: Now, you guys actually kind of should have seen Mike
at Games Done Quick. It is like, listen, I also
want to be seen on camera. Okay, I of course
I did. But but Mike, his lack of shame is
a superpower.
Speaker 5: It is just so.
Speaker 2: Like, first of all, he disappears, he's like, I gotta
go potty, like one of the fifty times he went potty. Uh,
And and he comes back and he's got the damn
thing he's got on right now, which is a light
up led sign that he made, say Tokoto.
Speaker 5: He says he was gonna make it.
Speaker 2: Say Jeff Grub he was, or fuck Jeff Grub, And
he was so so happy with himself.
Speaker 5: He put on his on his cart and everything, and.
Speaker 2: He's just like a pig and shit. And then it
was like every opportunity to move a little bit closer,
a little bit.
Speaker 5: More in front of the camera. He was just like
like a dog.
Speaker 2: When the mailman shows up, he just like shot to
the door and started barking at it.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: Just like smiling like a child's wave at the camera
and everything too.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, I will go along with you.
I'm glad you're here, Mike Manati.
Speaker 5: It was a good time.
Speaker 1: Mike, do you want to say something? All right? I'm sorry,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I feel like the lack of shame. Guy. I used
to be the look at me and then it's like
I'm like horizon zero dawn and all of a sudden,
breath of the Wild comes in. Thank you for wow,
breath for the wild. I appreciate that everyone thought I
was very good, and all of a sudden, here comes
breath the wild.
Speaker 1: The king.
Speaker 4: The king has arrived.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's it's fun to see yourself on camera, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're on camera three four times a week, so much.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, I don't mean to scream.
Speaker 3: Oh, of course. I speaking of Jeff, I'm wondering were
you getting like notably loud when you guys were at
Games one quick, because I swear I kept hearing you
in particular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that Jeff the one who would randomly scream. Then
the guy in the crowds like any during the Tears
Kingdom run any Pura fans here.
Speaker 3: Jeff, Yeah, very distinctly. A couple of polite collaps and
then Jeff Brob is screaming like he's on fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it appears to be an air freshener. What
is Remember the character Perah from what per Tears of
the Kingdom lady that works in the clock telescope. Yes,
I would have also been yelling grub thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely other people yelled for like Saddan and dom Dom.
Speaker 5: Saddam said, I can't.
Speaker 4: I don't know any character in Shelda outside of Zelda
Jayden and blink Jesus about Wait. I'm also sick, but
I'm trying to Tears the Kingdom Breath of the Wild.
I literally can't. There's the flappy delivery bird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and did say Saddam, so like, yeah, this is
it turns out not in Zelda.
Speaker 4: Put saddam, who's saying in Zelda?
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's give all the pleasant.
Speaker 5: I did yell a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that Mike was yelling, but I just think
he yelled with the crowd, and I.
Speaker 6: Just burst forth, you picked your spots. They read my
donation at one point, and it was yelled.
Speaker 5: Yeah for that one as well.
Speaker 4: I think people heard that the same time my brother
realized he lost his fellow.
Speaker 6: He's like, oh, where's my phone. I'm like, shut up
there reading my tone. Nation, Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: And then like your your header image there, Mic is
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Speaker 4: All right, you guys are too much. You don't want
to yes and us here no wait in that banner image.
Speaker 6: Yeah, guy who knows made Mike uncomfortable?
Speaker 4: They said it couldn't be done.
Speaker 2: We know your shame us hooray, hooray, triple h okay.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome to podcast in vengeance.
Speaker 5: I don't know real quick.
Speaker 4: People wonder like, why are they always yelling?
Speaker 5: And why are they always.
Speaker 2: Making these We're just actually friends. This is what happens.
Speaker 4: Appeal to TikTok friendly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh boy, all right, I don't I don't care
about what games you've been playing. Good Red Dead two?
Speaker 3: Actually, well, yeah, we don't need to talk about that one.
Speaker 1: Then I really don't care.
Speaker 5: Then, folks.
Speaker 1: I visited the New Fandom San Francisco office yesterday, and
I let me tell you, it looks good. A specific
part that looks good. The studio. Yeah, and we'll we'll
share some stuff later on about that. Shouts out to
John Luke and the crew for working on that thang.
Also shouts out to John Luke for using the budget
to buy a bunch of miscellaneous things that I immediately
took from the office because OZMA wouldn't or dj I
wouldn't send me one of these, so I just took
one from the office. Shouts out to John Luke. Anyway,
we're here, Sean, We're here to recap the Fantasy Critic
the Giant Bomb League results of last year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: That's right, we'll do. We'll do that.
Speaker 2: We'll talk maybe about that top fifty from Rolling Stone,
and then if we have time, maybe we'll.
Speaker 3: Do Yellow Free for him. We'll see what we're out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're hanging out like friends, do U sean? I
could all right? Okay, folks, I know we poke fun
at the sub ridder all the time, but like yo,
friends yell at each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we should analyze the volume of their
voice and what that means socially for the.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you start calling one of
your friends the pog slammer, does that?
Speaker 4: He started calling himself that, and we're just going along
because we're good friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you're right. We haven't spelled out how
we're calling him the pog slammer, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly came from.
Speaker 4: Hey, I was shoot talking about my pog slammer, and
Mike was like that to me, I'm the bogs Slammer now.
He said that's what I called myself in high school.
And then he just like that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike slapped me across the face and he just
texted me a middle finger emoji.
Speaker 4: I don't think high school. We are calling uh, we're
calling them POGs. Yeah right them? Huh elaborate please?
Speaker 1: What do you mean POGs? Like the cardboard helper?
Speaker 4: We learned that term thanks to Mike.
Speaker 3: Remember that was like the thing I did.
Speaker 1: Work I learned from Okay, okay, Sean, I'm gonna I'm
gonna defer to you, sir, please you have a better
control and understanding of the Fantasy Critic.
Speaker 2: Uh, first, if you could re explain the commissioner.
Speaker 3: Which is basically just means that, yeah, if anything breaks,
I helped fix it because SEW runs itself.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Sean, did you first explain the concept
and then well we'll get into the standings.
Speaker 3: I'd love to so. Fantasy Critic is this game that
we played throughout the year. It's named as such because
it's like fancy Football, but for Metacritic or in this case,
Open Critic scores, and so basically, the idea is that
you want to, you know, quote, draft a team, which
is just make a list of the games that you
think will perform the best throughout the year score wise.
If you don't know how fancy football drafting works, well,
the easiest way to explain is just that you need
to pick a game before anyone else does, because each
game can only be picked once and you just want
the list of the best, you know, high scoring games
a year. And so that's what we did throughout the year.
We had the initial draft at the beginning where we
had our initial smaller lists, and then we are giving.
Speaker 5: Three games, right and counter Yeah, I'm how we did.
Speaker 3: I think it was three games and a counterpick counterpick
media game. You think won't do notably well. You think
you'll score someone else someone else picked it, and you
think you'll do a seventy or lower because each point
that gained above seventy you would lose a point.
Speaker 5: Or won't come out. There's a lot of like minor
details here show now you're.
Speaker 7: Doing a great job, just really running over me here, Jeff, Yeah, sorry,
keep going please, And then you know, speaking of the
points system, though for each point you score above seventy,
you would gain one point.
Speaker 3: If you're a game on your roster scored above ninety,
each point above ninety actually scores you double points. So yeah,
you really want to get the games that'll do very
very well, like you know, the major releases of the year.
As we'll see when we go over some of this
but yeah, and then the last thing is we reach
given a budget kind of like you know, a fantasy
football type of thing, where you abid on games throughout
the year that you know, ones that just get announced
recently or they didn't get in the initial draft, and
you try to outbid people to add games to your roster.
So yeah, the short version is just trying to get
a list of the best games of the year.
Speaker 1: Yep. And we had the whole Giant Bomb staff participate
in that. So that was us five plus Jeff Backlar,
Nikki Grayson, Tomorrow, Sat and Lucy James all competing against
each other. Sean, do we want to start at the bottom?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Do we want?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's something that goes along with being
at the bottom, So I guess we could. I guess
we could because it's more exciting to see who's at that.
But yes, a in last place, ninth place with eight
points on the board was Lucy James Games is Lucy
James publishes games. We all named our little publishing teams there. Lucy,
you know she played the game. I'll give her credit.
I assumed that she didn't based on the points here,
but now she has picked a lot of games that
all scored around seventy so didn't get her many points.
She picked some games that scored negative such as Foam Stars,
which lost her ten points, and some games that didn't
come out like Silksong, Assassin's Screech, Shadows, and The Altars.
So buil a rough year for Lucy there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think she said that she.
Speaker 2: Forgot her log in for most of the year, so
a lot of these picks were last minute scramp yes.
Speaker 3: And then she was like, and I don't get sports.
I'm like, I don't think that would help you here, Lucy.
But all right, we'll take that. One step up from Lucy.
In eighth place was Jerf with his important Collective a
bit of a pump up in points there to twenty
points on the board in the year. Similar situation where
he didn't he didn't pick too many poor choices, But
the difference here is that Jerff counter picked, presumably because
he thought it wouldn't come out. He counter picked Silent
Hill to remake, which lost it move seventeen points. And
maybe he also forgot about the game because he didn't
counter pick a second game, which automatically loses you at
to Shell fifteen.
Speaker 5: I think Silent Hill too happen and he just gave
I think he just gave.
Speaker 1: Up after that point. Yeah. I think it's funny because
out of everyone on the team, I feel like Jeff
would bring it up a lot of like and he
was thinking about this one fantasy yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but again I think Silent Hill two just broke him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a giant bomb.
Speaker 6: I think Backlars person, I would most enjoy being in
an actual fantasy league with right getting like really into it,
getting like very comically upset by it, and things like.
Speaker 5: He probably plays fantasy hockey.
Speaker 3: I bet he was the one talking about this the
most throughout the year. I feel up until he kind
of dropped a little bit. Seventh place here was TAM's
grow Up. That's all he named it.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Tam, you know, had a really good start because he
was the first person to draft. So he got tech
and eight right off the bat, which got him some
double points. There also got some solid choices in the
fan favorite dragon ball Z Sparking zero, you got hell
Divers two, You got Brothers remake, which was eligible. He
counterpicked at the time was My Fire Emblem remake, which
did not come out, so he's doing pretty good. And
I think Tam also kind of forgot about the game
because he didn't pick any other games after that, and
they did not counter pick a second game, so he
also got that fifteen point loss there, coming out forty
one points.
Speaker 2: His remaining budget is the entirety of the water.
Speaker 3: So yeah, then next st up, we have Nicki in
sixth place with their good video games TM. NICKI just
didn't really pick a bang this year. A lot of
games hovering around that seven, a lot of seventy seven's
on the dot. Actually, they also picked new Mario Kart
which did not come out this year, Pokemon Legend Za,
which did not come out this year. They did correctly
counterpick Earth Blade, which also did not come out this year, unfortunately.
I think they assumed that India Jones and The Great
Circle Slip, he has a counterpick that losing seventeen points,
So another one there where the counterpick screwed them over.
Speaker 4: I assume we were thinking when we picked these that
the Switch too might come out.
Speaker 6: Yes, oh yeah, definitely Mario didn't they yeah, then dropped it.
Speaker 1: Oh smart, Yeah.
Speaker 5: That was that me. I think it might have been me.
I think so yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds right, And.
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, Nicki's this is a pretty good showing
for Nikki because I think they had the worst draft, yeah,
because they picked.
Speaker 5: Some some pretty questionable ones.
Speaker 2: So to have a kind of a comeback and get
up to sixth place pretty impressive.
Speaker 3: Nicky did pick last in the draft, so even though
it's a snake draft, so they got to pick a
two in a row, you know, after the final fantasies
and the Tecans and like it was, it was a
little more difficult there. So yeah, rough.
Speaker 1: Time, ye power Old didn't really hurt them as much
as I thought it would.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, In fact, it all I think lost Jeff one
point because he counterpicked that in actually scored a seventy one.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, yep, Okay.
Speaker 3: Moving up next was Jan himself with cut the check games.
Let's see how Jan did down here. You know what, Jen,
you did pretty all right except for a couple of
key issues here. Would you like to talk about your list?
Speaker 1: Well, see, I forgot to counter pick a second game
because I think I was on the fence of whether
or not a game would come out, and then I
think I forgot myself.
Speaker 2: I also, do you think like the Indiana Jones counterpick
from Nicky was representative of like there just wasn't a
lot of good options at that point, like you had
to counterpick something, and everything seemed like a.
Speaker 3: Friendly reminder to everyone listening. Like Jeff mentioned, you have
to counterpick a game that someone else has drafted, and
we mostly had like some solid games this year, not
not too many sport in the negative.
Speaker 4: So it was hard.
Speaker 5: And that also goes in the draft order.
Speaker 2: So it's like at least in the initial one, and
so it's like everyone else is picking the obvious ones
and then you have to pick up the one that
like you think might slip. And then for this later one,
it's like everyone had dropped the stuff that was confirmed
on to come out, So you were in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: I think, I know, you know what, I think. I
initially drafted that the game that Mikey dropped, and that
might have hurt me or whatever, but maybe that would
have tracked it anyway. The thing that hurt me the
most was Skull and Bones. Ah, yes, yeah, who would
have thought? Who would have seen that coming?
Speaker 6: That was definitely a you panicked we're having time thinking
of other things.
Speaker 1: I no.
Speaker 3: Mike out of four I remember now, initially it was
nice for you to.
Speaker 5: Try to give him that cover, though, was that you goofing?
Speaker 4: Were you goofing? Honest? Were you not taking it seriously?
Speaker 1: I know, because I thought maybe Skull and Bones might
be a surprise hit because it been in development for
so long. Because if something is being developed forever, that
means it's going to be good, right, YEA.
Speaker 4: The longer something's in and oven, the better it is.
Speaker 1: You think about.
Speaker 4: All right, forever, Chinese democracy, all those things.
Speaker 3: All the stars, yes, all right? Well, next up was me.
I came in fourth place here with my lucky lopinie
feet inc. As everyone knows, I did pick a full
roster here. I kind of had the same problem of
a fair amount of games in the seventies not really hitting.
I thought all the old men would just like you know,
lose their minds over Nintendo World Championships, even though we
knew it would be a mediocre game. Unfortunately, the Andy
Robinson's of the world software what was and scored seventy
one Lego Horizon Adventures kind of the same thing didn't
really hit with anyone. So seventy one one Man Valley
three is on scored. I thought that game came out
this years.
Speaker 4: Later where it just didn't get enough reviews.
Speaker 3: Weird, okay, because yeah, I was trying to I was
trying to flesh out my roster at the end of
the year here because I had to drop something that
didn't come out the Fire Emblem remake. And then I
think I have another drop, like I used the other
drop I had or something like that. But yeah, I
did get a good amount points, which is why I'm
heard with Metaphor. Metaphor got me twenty five points there.
And then I also had you know, my RPG Brain
Dragon Quest three and Unicorn Overlord both.
Speaker 1: Got me some good choice good choice for Dragon question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew that would hit, like there's no way
it would have. So I think my list overall pretty good,
but uh, not quite good enough.
Speaker 5: You were in the mix.
Speaker 3: Was in the mix because yeah, because.
Speaker 5: You're you're above one hundred and like, yeah, you guys
killing me out.
Speaker 3: You thought I had no chance. I'm only I would
like to point out, like the previous like the bottom
half ish of the list here was all kind of
close together. There's a jump from jan I fifty seven
points to me at one hundred and five, so I
was competitive, what's the math? And then only six points
above me getting into the top three was Mike Minatti's
Critical Path Publishing while remember that Giant Bomb meme. Uh, Mike,
you had a good list here, you want to talk
about it?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I started off really strong with Persona three reloads was
my first take, like I had a pretty good grab.
I think with Braid Anniversary Edition, a game only I
thought about they got an eighty nine score. I had
good counterpicks because I had Skull and Bones, and then
just that three D margame that didn't come out, and
then I had quite a few stuff that sort of
under delivered, like Plucky Squire was only eighty two, Star
Wars Outlaws was a seventy five, and I was being
way more optimistic about that one seam World Heists two
only in eighty two. And then at the end there
I was kind of scrambling, like what's even coming out?
There's some alien game rogue excursion that got me seven points,
and then Rivals of eighth or two was when I
picked up and that that I had a problem there
where the game did in fact come out and it
just did not get enough reviews to actually get a score.
So I got zero points from that. So but nothing
disastrous here. Like everything, I didn't have a single like
pick that lost me points or a single counterpick that
low points. It just didn't quite come together, spite persona
three reload Indiana Jones and Braid getting me pretty big booth.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: And then really really good pick though might be with
the freaking Braid Anniversary edition. I would never have thought
the draft. I'm a big Braid guy.
Speaker 3: I bet well. I feel like that should have been
more of a remaster, but I guess it was kind
of as a remake, which remakes are allowed by.
Speaker 6: Oah somebody who reviewed that, and it's like surprisingly a
lot of new content and like stuff.
Speaker 3: Cunover, So ye gotcha all right? Second place here then went.
Speaker 5: And then the best of the non cheaters. I think
I went to.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Grub with his Grub Games. Let's see look at
Jeff's list again. A very solid list here. I think
you you really really pulled one over on us with
Bilatro here one dollar. But I was talking about that
the rest of your list too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that was like when I'm like, oh,
I think I have a good shot here because I'll
get Bilatro for one dollar when I don't think anyone
else is gonna notice, and one else was like fully
engaged at that moment, and I got away with that one.
And then it did way better in reviews than I
was even expecting, And it was fun to like lred
that over you guys for a while, and then I think,
you know where it goes wrong for me because I
have some other like Nava is in eighty seven I
got seventeen points.
Speaker 5: That was really good.
Speaker 2: Dragon's Dogma two, which was my first pick, eighty seven,
seventeen points, like I was in a good position to
catch up to the winner. But but Microsoft Flight Simulator
two thousand got a ninety three or something like that
or ninety one at least did very well. I was
expecting that to hit and Dragon Age the Veil Guard.
I was expecting this to be a return to form,
as all the reviews said for Dragon Age the Veil Guard,
and it got a seventy nine. So and then at
you know, Fliximular To twenty twenty four gout seventy six,
so between those two, that's like where my opportunity to
catch up to the winner was. And when both of
those didn't hit, I didn't really stand a chance. Things
like Mario and Luigi Brothership I didn't have a ton
of faith in necessarily, but I was.
Speaker 5: Like, maybe that'll get a lower or eighty. It didn't
do that, got a seventy seven.
Speaker 2: So yeah, got some luck from like Nava and Infinity
Nikki and Path of the Goddess, but overall it was
just not quite enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I yeah, you did scoop up Infinity Nicki there.
I was thinking about that as one of my last ones,
but I didn't know how that would hit with people.
I feel like their review scores tend to be a
little lower for free to play games in general, regardless
of the contents. I was a little worried about that one.
But yeah, ten points is solid there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, I'll take that ten points for Infinity Nikki
for sure, especially at that point when I was picking.
Speaker 5: It was my last game that I picked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, my Power World right lost
me maybe a point, it says yes, yeah, because the rounding.
Speaker 3: I think you didn't actually lose anything. I think Nikki
also didn't. No, I think they lost the full one,
so it's yeah, just however the rounding there worked out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then me and the Hollowers, so both those,
you know, I didn't get anything from those, but the
position that I was drafting in the point where I
did my second counterpick, that's best case scenario.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, all right. And then lastly first place here.
I can't even be mad. He just played the game. Well,
you know, he just had some years picks here. He
got two of the three top reviewed games, and he
drafted Foul Fantasy seventary birth. He hilariously blew on most
all of his budget, I think seventy of one hundred
dollars on Astrobot, which.
Speaker 4: Did pay off, incidentally, because I didn't understand how the
betting thing.
Speaker 3: Who it is? Yeah, Dan, you shut up my UF
fifties on his list ninety one score there. Both of
his counterpicks didn't lose a points. There, your winner for
the year records market its own, Dan Reikert, very good, d.
Speaker 4: Handily that the point spread is really impressive when you
look at it. That's the thing that impressed me when
you look at the three below me. I got one
forty two. That's just that's a massive spread there. Look
at that.
Speaker 3: Yah. Yeah, Mike's right, you did have a game that
scored zero point, but we just had so many like here,
let's just run down the winning list here, Foul Fancy,
Sound of Rebirth ninety three, Princess Peach, Showtime seventy five,
Paper Mario thousand Year, Door Remake eighty nine, Frost Punk
two eighty five, Astrobot ninety five, Ripped the Necro Dancer
didn't release, but Black Ops six eighty three, UFO fifty
ninety one and tom Blast eighty five, and Mighty Morphem
Power Rangers, Rita's rewind you broke even on so you
didn't lose any points. So yeah, just a really good list.
Nicely done. Well, explain your list please, Danny. Any surprises,
anything that you were really happy about.
Speaker 4: I think when it was my turn to pick, I
looked at the list of games and I picked the
ones that I thought seemed the best and would review.
The best was mystrate interesting, And then I screwed up
and didn't know how this worked, and I lost my
log in a million times throughout the year, and I
just got really lucky every time I logged in. It
was the right time where I could take a game
that did well not knowing.
Speaker 5: How it worked.
Speaker 2: Helped you with astro Oh, because you put so much
money into that, and I'm like, I put like forty
five dollars on that. No one else third that much
money for Astrobot, And I'm like, but I know that,
you know all these guys won it, so I'm gonna
go for it and I'm gonna get it.
Speaker 5: And then you put seventy dollars on it or whatever.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a maximum, and uh, it worked out.
I was I was bummed when I saw that I
actually spent all seventy whatever. But then I thought, well,
I'm probably gonna probably pays off that I got that.
It clearly did. Yes, Yeah, I think it was after
was it after the trailer went up, because that's when
it shows up on this I think is when the
games actually announced, and so I think we saw the
trailer and it was like, Okay, that looks there's no
way that's not going to be incredible.
Speaker 2: But I mean, let's be Yeah, if you had not
done that and I won, that, I would have won
like that would have it would have flipped it, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Dan did steal Black Ops six from me. He just
barely beat me out in the bidding, which means I
would have been in third place as well because the
math works out there. But he just barely got that
one too, and that one really paid out there. It's
those thirteen points. So yeah, again, he just pick the
best games basically done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got like actually three of the four highest
reviewed games, and yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 4: That helps yeaheah, that's good. Yeah, Showtime was. I don't
think I expected to get a ton of points from Showtime,
but I got some, which is you know, it's it
definitely underperformed. I think we all thought it would maybe
do a little bit better than seventy five. I could
see it closer to like eighty or something, but yeah,
playing the game, I think seventy five is about right.
Speaker 6: So I was a good early get for you. My
thousand year Darf number three was was brilliant. That game
was always gonna review pretty well, but then it also
happened to be like a very well done remake too,
so yeah, it's an impressive list. Like mny More from
Powered Ritos, Rewind was like a good latepool it didn't
quite pay to throw money into something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some points there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 3: It's hard to break than to lose.
Speaker 1: So and ton blast though, Dan.
Speaker 4: Wow, it was also late and it was like I
have some money and it's like, let's see what's still available,
and that was on there, and I was like, I
didn't really know much about it, but I had heard
Grub bring it up a couple of times. I looked
it up. Looked like a warrior Land type thing, So yeah,
why not?
Speaker 1: Ye, very nice.
Speaker 5: Congratulations, Dan Reicher, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: Where do I win?
Speaker 5: All right, let's move on?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, thank you, Sean.
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell the folks at home what is
the consequence for going getting last place?
Speaker 3: That's right, So, forgetting ninth place, Lucy James has to
play the worst reviewed game on this list. I don't
know quite how we're gonna do that, because there's two
of them. I would like to hold her to both
if we could, because that'd be fine. Y confirmed she
is at least going to do a stream of Skull
and Bones, and maybe we'll also force her to play
some Foam Stars twelve hour streams each.
Speaker 1: She has to wear the Donkey Kong. Yeah, so Lucy,
you're gonna have to play both. That's just how that
just checks out. That sounds good.
Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty successful. That worked out pretty good.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I would make some change to the fantasy critic personally,
I would like maybe make it quarterly or something like that.
Speaker 5: But I say we do it again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would do it again.
Speaker 5: We got a draft planned up ready to go jan.
Speaker 1: Yes, so because the whole crew is not here and
we want to just double check if everyone wants to
participate in it. The draft will be coming in two
weeks January twenty fourth, so right before any big games
are popping out. We still have time to swoop on stuff.
Maybe more things will get delayed, who knows, but yes,
maybe to make sure that it is something front of mine,
we will have like once a month check ups on it,
just so people are staying on top of it.
Speaker 3: Or maybe that's how we make it quarterly. We do
quarterly checkups. Yeah, because like I remember, jam Me and
you did that episode when everyone was gone and we
need something to do. But yeah, it may we make
it more right thing.
Speaker 1: Thank you Commissioner for that lovely round up and explainer.
On Fantasy Critic. Congratulations once again to the champion, Dan Reikert,
and congratulations to Lucy for having to play Skull and Bones.
Can she play Foam Stars?
Speaker 4: I think they do a doubleheader streams Skull and Foams,
Lucy James, Skull and Foams double header stream. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people were wow, they are they're cutting off new content,
but the servers are still up. You can still play
that game, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's right.
Speaker 2: And they said there's no no, no, no announcement of
it's shutting down.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we were good.
Speaker 1: There, goll in Foams. Okay, well that's good. That's good
folks at home. We're going to take a quick bricky
break and we'll be right back with the Rolling Stones.
Fifty best games of all time.
Speaker 4: That's the Rolling Stones were guests, okay.
Speaker 1: And we are back, folks. If you missed it, we
determined our own top ten games of twenty twenty four.
Go and listen to the Game of the Year podcast.
We all had a very fun time. We're all yelling
during that as well, so.
Speaker 4: So it's for TikTok folks.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, we were all None of us actually had
a love or like a stick mic. We all just
had like the tiny DGI or road mics that we're
just holding up the whole time.
Speaker 5: I pen mine in my hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, folks at home. The Rolling Stones put out their
top fifty greatest video games of all time earlier this week,
January sixth of this week, and they put out a
top fifty of games, and I would like to talk
about those top fifty of games. I don't know if
you gents have seen the list peruse the list at all,
but there's some notable additions and o missions on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's worth like they talk a
little bit about their thought presses here to pick the
best games ever made. There's a lot of considerations. Gaming
is a medium where sequels thrive. They can always look
and play better. And while certain game I mean Dynasties
run dozens of entries deep, they need to be need
there needs to be representation across the board. So I
think they're kind of saying that they're going to try
to consider usually maybe the first entry most of the
time or or something like that represents the series in
a lot of these cases. And then I think they're
also going to consider how influential something was when it arrived.
Speaker 5: They said that in the Yay.
Speaker 2: For this list, we looked at both how influential each
game was at arrival as well as other as well
as well as whether it still holds up. So they're
going to kind of wait those things side by side,
so importance matters in this list.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I do kind of like the idea of, like,
you know, one per franchise for the most part, because
like you know, I've done a bunch of these before
and it always just winds up being like, well, the
top fifteen is going to be a much fun metal year.
Zelda and Mario and yeah nice, Yeah, I think, yeah,
but they don't necessarily stick to that.
Speaker 6: They do have like there's multiple Zelda games as multipmorial
games as a couple.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think theyre just kind of saying they want
to be mindful of its kind of what it seems like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we're not going to go through all fifty
games piece meal, but I do want to go through
their top ten at least ten. They have Super Metroid
number nine, The Elder Scrolls five, Skyrim eight, the Original
Final Fantasy seven, number seven, Medle Gear Solid, Yeah, ninety
ninety eight, number six, Half Life two, number five, The
Last of Us number four, Super Mario World number three,
Grand Theft Out of five, number two, Tetris nineteen eighty
nine for the game Boy, number one, The Legend of Zelda,
Breath of the Wild.
Speaker 4: That is not a crazy top ten. It's not like
a wild No.
Speaker 3: The way people were passing, Yeah, I thought it would
be like someone else did this. I was like a
crazy top ten, Like how could you think? No, this
is like, especially if you're having people a little more
casual about gaming talk about yeah, like this checks out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: The issue with this, the biggest issue with this in
the list in general the fifties, that there isn't a
single three D Mario game in it that is Yeah,
it's wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially shine It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got it's got Madden on there. It's got
a Madden NFL two thousand and four, a great game.
Speaker 4: It was like the peak of Madden for me to
PS two era Madden.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting to me because like, you know,
it's there listening to it however they want. I don't
think that you include influence on a list of top
games because they said themselves like games could always play
better games could always look better, but the games that
I think hold up are the games that still hold
up regardless of age. You know, like you're sing a
lot of these Mario Brothers three or something Mario World
linked to the past, but like and then to not
include if you are including importance, not having any three
D Mario at all, even in the top fifty feels weird.
Speaker 4: So yeah, anyway, I remember that is such a hard
thing to do when you I remember one of the
first Game in Former issues I worked on was the
two hundredth issue. We did the top two hundred games
of all time, and it did turn out that, like
influence and everything wound up to be a big thing,
like the first Zelda one number one on our top
two hundred, and the big argument there was that, like,
well it just the influence was you know, insane on that,
and then you know, like Tetris Mario three were ones
that were afterwards, So like, you really have to do
it differentiate if it's like best games to play now
or it's just always hard to do in these fucking lists.
Speaker 3: It really is to define it beforehand. That's all it is.
And neither is.
Speaker 6: Mario though, Like, okay, influential, then sixty four has to
be there, right, yeah, right, even if you're one of
the people who think.
Speaker 4: That game has aged poorly, which can't be me.
Speaker 6: Okay, then just do Odyssey, which is just one of
the best playing games ever, you know, in the Galaxy
game that's just wild exactly.
Speaker 3: Odyssey is like a borderline perfect video game for what's
trying to accomplish. I struggle to think of anything wrong
with it, So it's yeah, wild to not consider it.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, maybe only hats, that's that's the thing
above it.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 6: I made a whole team in Marves's Capcom two of
just the ladies who wear.
Speaker 4: Old games here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you feel about GDQ having the the
rat tals? That's that's being a meme rat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, I endorse it with these
older ones like you know, Tetriss and Mario World being
in the top ten or Super Metroid like they they
had the influence and they're also still really fun to play. Yes, yeah,
that's why it's like, I don't know, if I were
putting one of these lists together now, I would put
a link to the pass over the first one, because
even though the first Zelda had more influence. Linked to
the Past has that same style, but also looks good
and plays good.
Speaker 6: Now you know, yeah, Zoda one is interesting because that's like,
I still like have fun playing Zoda one for sure.
That is kind of getting to the point, like how
many people really would rather play Zoda one than a
Link to the Past or just you know, one of
the newers Zelda's.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't like recommend it, so on, Hey, where do
I get into zel.
Speaker 4: It would have to be for nostalgia. I can't imagine
someone saying, like, Link to the Past does not play
better than the first time.
Speaker 2: I would say, okay, play Breath of the Wild and
then go back and play Zelda one and see how
they like draw They drew the line between the two,
and they're like, let's complete the ideas that we had
in Zelda one, like it would be informational, be educational,
which speaks to its importance. I think still, but it's
not the game I'm ever gonna say, Hey, if you
want to get into Zelda, go start with Zelda one.
Speaker 5: That would never be the answer for anybody.
Speaker 3: To be fair. Being a bit younger here, I didn't
get to Zelda one until what it was out on
the GameCube bonus disc for uh you know, that was
the wind Waker pre order one that had that, right.
Speaker 4: The pre order was the Master Quest I think. And
there's like that Club Nintendo one if you bought the
Great One.
Speaker 3: I think it was included in GameCubes. I think it was.
That was the bundle one. Okay, so then yeah, on
that one. That's why I first played Zelda one. I
was like, you know what, but still pretty fun, like even.
Speaker 2: Still hold up, but you know, it's better than even
than its reputation, lindsay.
Speaker 3: And then I fired up an emulator and try to
a link to the past. I'm like, oh, this is
just better though, So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Okay, So I'm a Red the Redemption two defender. They
have that at sixteen and not Red Dead one on
the list. That's a little wild to me.
Speaker 4: They're very different games, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
that's why in that instance, I would see like if
they wanted to put both red Heads on there, I
could see that because they are different enough, you know, yeah, sure,
but I don't think they did they even put both
of them on there.
Speaker 6: But this again, again I defend Red Dead two that
high on the best fifty games ever. Again, what's the
type of influential I don't think red is Redemption two
as influence on any.
Speaker 2: I think I mean the influences that is, like, boy,
we can't spend that kind of money.
Speaker 3: We can't make our game look like that.
Speaker 4: Geezeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised. Whenever website or whoever puts out
these big lists, I'm always more focused on like the
lower end. And I'm happy that Krona Trigger made it on.
Yeah for sure, happy that Tony Hawk even made it on.
Speaker 2: But time spurs Skater one at twenty twenty three. Yeah,
that's that's one where it's like Tony Ox first Skater
one is a good game. It's a very good game.
Speaker 5: Boy.
Speaker 2: The sequel, you're right a rolling stone in that pre
in that preliminary paragraph. Uh, the sequel does play better
in an important and influential way where it's like Tony
Oks pro Skater two is the game that actually ended
up making the whole genre happen. So I think if
you're gonna pick one that is the right balance between
important and play as well, it probably is town X
pros Skater two, but I would I personally put on there.
Speaker 6: Always stick to that. Like their Pokemon game here is
Gold and Silver. It's not yet in Blue, and I
agree gold and Silver is better, but like Deadly the
influential one Gold and Silver.
Speaker 3: Anytime someonem picks Gold and Silver as the best Pokemon
game of all time, you can tell exactly where they
stopped playing Pokemon as well, because those are not the
best game in the franchise.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, Sean for Pokemon representation.
If you were to put a Pokemon game on this
list or a top fifty, which one would it be.
Speaker 3: I think the best Pokemon game overall is either Black
and White or Park Gold Soul Silver, Like why Hardco
Soul Silver is in many ways just better. It's just
they remade it. Some people say, oh, it's so slow,
and I'm like, as if the Game Boy ones weren't.
But yeah, that that's a that's one there where you
can tell that nostalgia is taking over there because they
put the original set of the remake.
Speaker 4: So yeah, wow, I just searched Soul Calver and that
is not on here. That's like a top ten ever
for me. And then I looked and it's like fighting
game wise, no Moral Kombat, no tech and no Virtual Fighter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Smashi and Street Fighter. That's like, what's important.
Speaker 4: Moral Kombat or the big two man sol Cob and
not being down here. That's crazy to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this might just be be me, am I the
only one who rolls my eyes that we sports being
on this thing.
Speaker 4: No, yes, no, it's appropriate. You are the only one, Mike,
Yes you are. That's fine. Yeah, it's okay to be
alone and right sometimes no police sports is a huge thing.
Speaker 3: And Mike also, Mike, and I hates our kadie fun
you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great, that's right.
Speaker 6: Jeff was in me yesterday and a ton of fun,
except when he was leaving me in Third Strike.
Speaker 4: I was a great time.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you still let him beat you on thurs Right,
damn dude.
Speaker 4: I got him real good and Marvel versus cap one two.
Speaker 2: But we were we were leaving and he was he
was God, he wasn't mopen, but you could tell he
was a little wounded. And then he saw the Marvel
versus Capcom two machine and sat me down.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: It was very fun.
Speaker 2: Hallow night at thirty four sound right to you folks
that have been I've.
Speaker 4: Come around on Hollidnight to I like it and it's
very good. I would not have it on the top fifty,
you know, I have no problem with it. I think
that game.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's I was kind of asking.
Speaker 4: I have a problem with the one Mario card on
here being Mario Karts sixty four.
Speaker 6: Yeah, agreed that and I met just before it's my
time to say boomer pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like maybe second worst Mario Kart, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nostalgia. We rare franchises, Christ Chime, Mario Carter,
Oh my good god, Sean please, there's a rare series
that kind of just only got better as it went on,
like Super Circy on GBA. Sure as a dip back
because it's like Super Nintendo again, but are on that
that kind of just you know, made it better as
they went on.
Speaker 4: So yeah, definitely Devil Dash are better than this by far.
Speaker 3: Definitely Memories there, but seven, you know, again giving them credit.
This list also has like Symphony Night is on there.
They also have Celeste Is on here, Metroid Prime. You know,
even they're a little bit lower. Shadow of the Clauses,
like they're recognizing some of.
Speaker 4: The all time grades.
Speaker 1: That That's what I was gonna ask, because I feel
like Shadow of the Clauses is probably on MOTT what
would be my personal top ten fifty games of all time.
I'm actually surprised to see it represented here, and maybe
this is just me thinking it was more niche of
a game when it came out.
Speaker 5: Does it feels niche?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 6: I think Shadow I think it's a bit more niche.
I love it. It would be on like my top twenty.
Speaker 4: Shadow is my number sixty five, sixty five game of
all time.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, it's on my top one hundred is well,
I can't remember where.
Speaker 2: It's just it's the at the time when it came out,
even though it's definitely niche now, the time it came out,
it was sort of a statement game of saying this
is what games can do, and everyone bought into that rightfully,
so it earned that Okay, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: I do it didn't it is a niche pick though,
because it never sold well. It was always a cult classic.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, but I think it definitely represented a
vision for what games we're going to be going for
it that didn't pay it was, but it's.
Speaker 3: A game that you know, I don't like it myself,
but I always respected it because of what it was doing,
the scale I was going for, Like it was a
different vibe of game being very calm and everything like that.
So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see
it in a list like this as because if people
have played it, they recognize it.
Speaker 1: You know, Mike MINAUGHTI are you you're a big Overwatch guy.
Were you surprised that maybe an Overwatch didn't make this
top fifty?
Speaker 6: No, it's funny because gosh, Overwatch is just one of
the best reviewed things ever when it first came out, right,
But that's the thing with these live service games. You're
kind of only as good as you are now. I
Mean we saw that with just Teking eight and within
the span of a year, right, Like we looked at
our Fantasy Critic and that game was so ro reviewed,
begame of the year, right, and then come game of
the year time, nobody wanted to really talk about it anymore.
In fact, like the sentiment around it is sort of
negative now, especially with like the hardcore fans with that one. Yeah,
Overwatched is just in a rough spot right now. They
can call it Overwatch too, but it's basically been that
same game, that same lineage there. So yeah, it's maybe
a little bit unfair because we're talking about influence, you know,
incredibly influential in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: I think maybe they could have found room for here.
Speaker 6: Maybe we didn't need to have a Madden game and
an NBA two K game on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I those are both very good games
and very widely played.
Speaker 5: I get it, but I think I'll probably agree with.
Speaker 1: You, Mike.
Speaker 3: I noticed this until chat pointed out not a single
Mega Man franchise game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's wrong.
Speaker 6: It doesn't surprise, like, you know, the popular picks they
should have and could have gone with here Mega Man
two and Mega Man X. Meg Man X is usually
the one that can squeeze onto these things, so yeah,
I would like to see that. I am happy that
they aren't one of those. Sonic was never good people.
They did get SONK the Hedgehog two.
Speaker 3: They did pick two, though, which is like, eh.
Speaker 5: Game ever, Sonic.
Speaker 3: Even me and might cround it the best song game ever,
because we mean, we might did a stream where we
did we ranked every Sonic game, and we forgot about
Mania because we were like, oh, maybe it's just number one.
We only need to talk about.
Speaker 4: It, Like it feels like it's good to be an
actual son Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because it's a fan game that was just officially.
Speaker 4: But and I like son but it feels too good
to be Sonic.
Speaker 6: It is funny when like actual Sega tried to make
a two D Sonic game afterwards, The Sonic Superstars just
good even then.
Speaker 3: I've always maintained that three Knuckles is the best of
the classic ones because it's really good. Yeah, yeah, but
two is very influential, exactly.
Speaker 4: Very good on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: It was the biggest in gaming history on Tuesday at the.
Speaker 5: Time of early marketing thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Dan reichert, Yes, I know there's a lot
of talk here about one game per franchise, but would
you have put another Metal Gear on this top fifty.
Speaker 4: It's the thing I always argue with myself with about
Middle Gear is like, that is one series that I
could see really splitting up, because all I'd say, five
of the numbered games are just so fucking different in
a lot of ways, not just in story and setting
and all that stuff. So like people ask me all
the time, what's your favorite Meddle Year game? I don't
know what to pick, and it changes every time I
make one of these top lists. I have a different
order of those right now. I recently watched Middle Year
Solid four, and I was like, oh, right, the end
of that is the coolest shit I've ever seen in
a video game. So that's the fourth best game of
all time. And that's how I feel right now. But
I might believe this snaky to remake and be like, well,
that's the best one, you know.
Speaker 3: Hang on dancing. I watched mel Year said for is
just the most appropriate sentence ever, because that's what you do.
Speaker 4: I've played through it many times, but I just watch
my sister play it.
Speaker 3: I see, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: Yes, but no, seriously, that is the best thing that's
ever happened in the video game. Is the last fight
and middle you're solid four, So uh, Mark, Yeah, if
I had to pick what with that thing? But probably right?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Uh but yeah, if you're gonna pick one, especially for
a list like this, I could see like Metal Your
Solid one was almost like a Mario sixty four level
of like, oh everything's new and everything's changed, you know,
so I would put that it's.
Speaker 6: The one I would have picked as somebody who's like
one step below maybe in terms of like my reference
for Metal You're solid, which is still pretty high, but
not Dan levels by. I think one in three are
the ones that would make these kinds of lists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I told Dan recently, I only got to
the full Metal year series only a few years ago,
and one still absolutely holds up like that game is
still fantastic to play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, why's the one you do?
Speaker 5: One?
Speaker 3: There? You do one?
Speaker 2: Yep ye for this Rolling Stones Top fifty? Do you
guys have one that?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: It was like, really you think it's absolutely spot on?
Because for me, I do think number one being Breadth
of the Wild. Yeah, it is very very correct if
your goal is influential and holds.
Speaker 4: Up also to Tetris, like I think Breath the Wild
and Tetris and it's one and two. Can absolutely see.
Speaker 3: That, and look, we may not like it because of
what it's done. GJ five at three honestly isn't a
wild pick either.
Speaker 5: It's a great that's that's the one.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the one I was gonna say is
my one like, I don't want that one's so high.
Speaker 3: But yeah, mostly people all agree that's a great game.
I know a lot of people are, you know, especially
in the hardcore gaming crowd, the people who are listening
to this podcast right now, we're sick of GT five
by now. But if nothing else, boy, that influence was
off the charts as well. So on top of being
like a nine or ten out of ten game, it
was just everyone wanted to be GT five for a
long time.
Speaker 1: It's kind of wild though. Someone in chat pointed this
out that there's no rock band. I think it's kind
of wild. There's no guitar here, yeah, one some representation
from that because that's guitar.
Speaker 4: Here too, maybe, yeah, probably, but yeah, hard right. You
can always tell something like penetrated to the mainstream when
like there's dedicated to South Park episodes about it.
Speaker 1: You know, we're guitar hero.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that we're a warcraft is on the list.
Speaker 1: It has to be, yeah, right, there's no possible way.
Speaker 5: It was like number twilty twelve. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm happy that Mass Effect two made it
on this list, and I think it's appropriate where it
is in like that. I believe it's like the twenties.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The bottom half of that top ten is weird
to me because you know, the Last of Us great
game obviously, but that being number five, above Half Life two,
Middle Year, Solid, Final, Fantasy seven, Skyrim just like seeing
it on top of all those games, like, ooh boy,
I like Last of Us a lot, but not above
those espifintely influential, maybe in some bad ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay what and then yeah, Skyrim at nine real quick?
Speaker 5: Just I like that. I think that's probably pretty close
to right.
Speaker 2: Probably not exactly right, but pretty close these days, I
wonder if most people tend to agree.
Speaker 5: I don't wonder if the shines come up with SKI.
Speaker 3: I defer to other people on that. They had a
whole long conversation about this over on Axl Blood God,
so I was like listening to what they have to say.
It by as like the big RPG fans, and I
feel like everyone sort of like turned a little bit
on Skyrim of like, you know, it was so big
at the time, but at the same time, how does
it play compared to other Western RPGs? Is it even
the best Elder Scrolls game? And I do think what
even my friends who really love Skyrim say, they're like, oh,
Skyrim sucks. Skyrim with mods is the game that everyone
actually wants to play.
Speaker 5: But maybe that should still count.
Speaker 2: Part of me wants to count that because if you've
become a platform for that and that's how people interact
the game.
Speaker 5: To mean, that's that's probably. I feel like if you
get credit to the game, if.
Speaker 3: You're including influence in weighing your decision, that does because
of how the community came together. And then yeah, like
Bethesda played off of that with later releases, so.
Speaker 5: Sure exactly, And for this list, I think it makes sense.
Speaker 6: Skyrim still does really well the whole kind of like hey,
get go and go wander around and have adventures thing,
and it yes, it makes that very mainstream in a
way that's very approachable, but it distills that very well.
I do think this shine is going to come off,
especially if that rumored Oblivion remake is real thing, because
that is that's probably always a slightly better game in
the big It was just that it was ugly.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: If that's not ugly anymore, then yeah, it's gonna make Skyrim.
Speaker 1: Look a little worse, all right. Well, that was the
That was Rolling Stones's.
Speaker 8: Saw MARKO sixty four again is good yay Uh for
the wrestling folks, it's so weird that there's no no
mercy or does no mercy not cut the top fifty?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just thinking of influences.
Speaker 4: Why let me all fix it? Jan mine w I
have no Mercy is number twenty seven.
Speaker 1: So okay, that's thank you Dan for being on the
right side of his You're welcome, You're welcome. That's why
I'm hitching my wagon to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to my list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, yes, tearless the correct list, folks. That was
Fantasy Critic, and that was us chatting about Rolling Stones's
top fifty games of all time. Uh, not quite enough
time to deem and Browny mount rushmore of coolest things
now doing a video game.
Speaker 5: That was That was a good episode of BCR right there.
I feel good about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was solid app folks. If you are watching live,
please stay tuned. An hour from now, we will be
dipping into Marvel Rivals and then after that voicemail dump truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for a BCR in the upcoming weeks. We
have some plans. You know, there's just occasional week, we
might take a week off to do something else, but
we are. Sean mentioned he still wants to do the
music review of twenty twenty four. Still that's still in the.
Speaker 5: Works, right.
Speaker 3: I think maybe even next week we could do that one.
Speaker 5: I think that's that sounds because I.
Speaker 3: Think doing that last year, I definitely want to do
it again.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: And as we mentioned earlier, we will do a draft
for for Fantasy Critic. We're gonna get that before January's
over because games really start coming out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the rest of the month, we basically just
have like remasters and stuff coming out, So if we
miss a couple of those, it's not the end of
the world.
Speaker 5: We done.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, I just need to do a
control f here. Yeah, there's no BioShock on this list.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, well I would I love. I think for
a lot of people it's maybe falling off a little bit.
Speaker 4: Buyer shocks a lot better than Mass Effect. We're talking
two thousand and seven, can't. They were always talked about
together and Mass Effects boring and BioShock was fun because
she was wearing armor.
Speaker 3: What what now, there's seven.
Speaker 4: They were like the two big ambitionous like like it was.
They were always mentioned that E three I was at
and I remember everyone's talking about those two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now'll get the face as motherfucker you lost people
to yell at him? Do you like him? No?
Speaker 4: I mean like bio is much better than mass Effect
you don't like?
Speaker 1: Is there any Assassin's Creed on that list?
Speaker 4: I just actually they wouldn't make top three hundred. Asscrew
two is like the number seven hundred eleventh best game
of all time to be.
Speaker 2: Like Eldering is forty four, and if Eldering's forty four, Yeah,
Sassine screens Brian thirty four.
Speaker 6: Wow, no dark soul like no other from yeah people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely no lies of No strangers of Paradise. That's
so weird, almost said Liza B. Like not funny in
that wise of Paradise, folks. That does it for this
week's Bobcast Revengeance, Thank you so much for joining us.
Like Greb said, don't worry, we will get back into
Fantasy Critic in two weeks. Sean's going to prepare a
bunch of music to listen to next week. We're gonna
have ourselves a little listening party pretty much it is
the best music of twenty twenty four. So I'll just
past music in general.
Speaker 3: I'll do like last year. We'll put a call out
on Blue Sky and like get our un contribute what
they like a lot last year. So it'll be a
fun time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be a fun, fun listening app And maybe
we won't crown a specific winner. Maybe we'll just have
a good time listening to music and crown like a
top three, four or five. Who knows?
Speaker 4: What the hell are people? The bad news? Ernest died,
Ernest Jim Verney, he's been dead for a long.
Speaker 6: I think I think chat's goofing about Ernest Hemingway or
something else.
Speaker 4: I don't know. He's probably also dead. I know a
lot more about Jim Vernie, Ernest Way.
Speaker 3: I can tell you a lot about.
Speaker 4: I don't know a single thing a Sway other one
save Christmas Man, Bill Burge. That ain't Earnest.
Speaker 1: Oh anyway, I who has been Jan He's been Jeff,
he's been Turbo Shawn, he's been dead, and he's been
the hoog slammer.
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with them.
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